Sao Paulo Reports

[Rxylirate]

Hello,

I'm not a regular here but I've found the message board helpful on my most recent trip and wanted to share my experiences to give back what I can.

To start my Portuguese leaves a lot to be desired but I can carry a basic conversation with the help of a translator for some vocabulary I may not know. I think as someone else mentioned many of the people in the clubs are spending a lot of time with the girls. It wasn't uncommon for me to see the same girls with the same guys the entire night. I visited scandy, casaroa, and cafe foto during my trip and noticed this at all three places. I think this may be contributing to the higher asking prices that many are reporting here because the girls are used to quoting prices based on how much time they have to spend with clients now. If they are going all night with only 1 person then the price charged has to be higher than if they were able to go with multiple clients a night. I myself have definitely noticed the increased prices since my last trip many years ago. I am probably contributing to the problem though because unlike the ever horny me of many years past I actually enjoy the company of a nice women while I relax in the club now. I am definitely one of those people that will stay with a girl I like the entire night. I'm sorry if any of you were waiting for a girl I was with haha. This brings me back to my initial comment about my Portuguese. If you know a bit of Portuguese I think it makes a big difference. You can build a rapport with the women easier and they are more likely to give you a better experience and time. Just knowing a bit of Portuguese is in itself a conversation topic to be honest. Although these are working girls the working conditions do matter to them and they enjoy a nice conversation and time just as much as anyone else. Another thing I highly recommend is to groom yourself well. Smell nice and be decently dressed etc. The girls do talk quite a bit amongst themselves and it will get around if you have bad breath, stink, or are otherwise unkempt. Girls will likely not turn you down because money is money after all but they may charge you more. As far as prices are concerned the prices are high to be honest. Higher than I expected to be paying. If you are coming for cheap high quality girls then I think that ship has sailed. My standards are high so ymmv. My 5 may be someone else's 8 so in that regard someone might still find good value here but for me the price for the top tier talent doesn't warrant a dedicated trip anymore. I can find similar talent in Tijuana for a similar price and it is much closer and accessible to me. I am not sure about European or Asian pricing but I can't imagine it being worse or much worse than So Paulo now. For reference I received quotes ranging from 1. 5 to 3 k. The price varied depending on the quality of the girl. If she was a 7-8 then it was usually around 1500. If she was a 9-10 then it was usually 2 k and up. If you can snag a 10 for 1 k or less then more power to you. These were just my experiences. Don't forget to add in the door fee, Uber, room fee or take out fee of the girl. For example 500 entrance, 350 ish room or take out fee for scandy.

As for my experiences with the girls I was lucky and didn't have a single bad experience. Again I think I built up a decent rapport with each girl though. I think if you are just going for the quick nut your mileage will likely vary a lot more. I usually spend hours with a girl before taking her anywhere. For services you can expect kissing, BBBJ, CFS, DATY. If you don't get any of these things then you may want to take a look at your hygiene. Not trying to offend anyone but multiple girls have complained to me about poor hygiene. Some girls may just be difficult though so I'm not saying it's always the guys fault. Anal is on the table but not for all girls. I personally am not an anal connoisseur. If you are looking for BBFS it's very difficult in Brazil. I would advise you to look elsewhere and not waste your time. I've had better luck in Tijuana. In fact almost every trip to Tijuana I've been able to get BBFS without much trouble. BBFS is possible in Brazil and I was able to secure it but only after quite a bit of effort and it was not worth the effort tbh. Again my standards are quite high so my experience is only with top tier providers who already make enough without needing to offer BBFS. If you are more tolerant you may be able to secure BBFS more easily.

Out of the 3 places I visited scandy has the best selection of girls BY FAR. It's almost guaranteed that you will find someone to your liking. Cafe foto has a smaller selection but is a much more relaxing atmosphere. Also much of the staff at cafe foto speaks English. If you like to walk around and scout out talent then scandy or casarao are better. Cafe foto you can do this also but for the most part I saw guests stay seated and the girls just kind of walk around hoping to attract someone's attention. It can be difficult to really see their faces from far away and it can be awkward to turn away a bunch of girls. You will likely get talked about also if you turn away a bunch of girls you call over. The result being that girls won't make it a point to come your way. Ah yes I forgot about casarao. It's more like a nightclub. I didn't like it tbh. It's not a very relaxing place. Loud music which makes it more difficult to hold a conversation. Best days to go anywhere are definitely T, W, Th. Other days are slower. Much of the Top tier talent goes on those days only. Many of the girls have told me they only work on those days. They have to pay a fine for working less than 5 days but the top tier girls make enough to where they don't care. Other lower tier girls have to work other days so those are who you will likely see on slower days. Now being a bit more tolerant can have its perks also. If a girl doesn't have a lot of business they will likely be more eager to please. Just something to keep in mind.

I hope this post is helpful for others. I spent a good number of weeks here so I like to think I had a good overview of things. I'm no veteran though and do not pretend to be one. These are just my observations, experiences, and personal advice based on my time in SP. Good luck you to everyone out there.

[HiddenEye]

Yeah, I agree. Basic measures of information security and common sense is a must.

And one of the very basics of that security layer is data encryption which is absent here and "private" messages.

That's why VPN use is a wise way to browse NSFW (not safe for work) sites like this one.

The web security or lack thereof on this site has been covered in great depth over the years. The bottom line is, however secure you believe a website to be you should NEVER post anything on the Internet you would not publish in online editions of your local newspaper. This is especially true of personally identifying information. I hope there are not many people who needed this reminder.

[Nounce]

I would prefer not carrying the actual license if possible. Thank you.

If you have expired ID, those will work too.

[CatBert55]

Hi, does anyone know if a clear picture on a phone or a physical photocopy of a drivers license be enough to enter places like Scandallo? I would prefer not carrying the actual license if possible. Thank you.

I've used a color copy of my passport without any problems.

[Zpxoci]

Hi, does anyone know if a clear picture on a phone or a physical photocopy of a drivers license be enough to enter places like Scandallo? I would prefer not carrying the actual license if possible. Thank you.

[Knowledge]

The web security or lack thereof on this site has been covered in great depth over the years. The bottom line is, however secure you believe a website to be you should NEVER post anything on the Internet you would not publish in online editions of your local newspaper. This is especially true of personally identifying information. I hope there are not many people who needed this reminder.

Unfortunately, those Indians have very little respect and regard for others privacy and private / personal data. They don't give a damn about the consequences of posting / sharing pictures or personal info online / offline that someone may have shared with them in confidence. If they get their hands on anything they consider it their property to do whatever they please.

I was going to make a post about this website being insecure. I am glad you bought the topic up. Yes, like you said, everything everyone is posting on this site is transmitted as is without being encrypted. That means anyone on the network can read everything including your login credentials. I am not sure why this site still doesn't use https. When I joined this site 12+ years ago, I was dumb enough to pay the $20 membership fee to get messaging privileges using credit card without realizing the site was insecure. Luckily my CC wasn't compromised.

Are any of you realized this site is insecure and concerned about using it?

I have started using VPN for lot of my online activity and especially when use this website and any other insecure websites.

[Knowledge]

Leggero gets really high marks. I think it's OK. It's a matter of personal preference. I prefer the pizzas of the Braz chain. There is also a very good Italian restaurant called Osteria Zucco a couple of doors from the Moema Braz on Rua Grauna.

Both nights were spent at Scandello. No reason to go anywhere else. I enjoy the atmosphere and the vibes so why go somewhere else? Plus, I was with two great ISGers for company SocratesNY and Lalabo. Later on Saturday, we had another guy join our group who is a close contact of Steve9696. Plus we had some other contacts of SocratesNY join so we had a decent size group of guys to hang out with. This is what makes it fun guys hanging out, hot looking women and free flowing drinks😜.

Friday night thought it would be busy with the game but it didn't really get busy till later in the evening. We stayed around till 130 am while everyone else stayed much later because my girl wanted to get back to the room and fuck. She also she had something special for me and wanted to go. So we left. Reaching the hotel, both of us showered and she came out with my "gift" in her hand. Turned out to be a butt plug. I thought I would get anal which we have done before. But no. She uses a larger size butt plug to constrict her vagina and it is possibly the best feeling I have ever had especially when you are BB with it. It felt as if someone grabbed my dick and wouldn't let go. And it was out of this world. First time I have experienced it. And I was able to last a long time so we were able to enjoy this for at least 30-45 minutes of sex while she orgasmed multiple times. Another great night and I fell asleep with her head on my chest and a smile on my face. Total cost at scan was around 1. 8 k for dinner, a bottle of gin, multiple cans of tonic and Red Bull tropical and her entry. We got there before 7 pm so my entry wasn't added.

Saturday dinner was at Casa do Porco with SocratesNY, Lalabo, my girl and the other contact and his girl. Entry to Scandello was 500 because we didn't get in till after 930 pm. This night was slower but still a lot of hot fucking women. We had the same group of guys so we ordered the bottles and everyone settled in. Went home around 2 am and had another great round of sex with the butt plug but this time she let me insert it and that got me hard as fuck so I was able to last even longer and it was extremely satisfying to be able to last and keep her content. Cost at Scandello was approx 2 k since we added the extra entry fee, another bottle of gin, can of mixers and her entry fee.

A hell of a weekend and I was glad to meet up with a lot of guys who have similar interests and like to enjoy life!!

Restaurants I ate this time around:

Thaitai https://maps.app.goo.gl/v8yKjBQwkoZX...s.preview.copy their pastel do camarao is to die for.

Casa do Porco https://maps.app.goo.gl/sSK6zfo79hP4...s.preview.copy rated in the top 50 restaurants in the world. Their roast pig is fucking delicious.

Leggero Pizza https://maps.app.goo.gl/w8gDrtau1V1G...s.preview.copy awesome handmade thin crust pizza before hitting Scandello to help soak up the alcohol🤣.

Tartuferia https://maps.app.goo.gl/xGfQxsVWWhJs...s.preview.copy good Italian food.

[Lalabo]

It has been creeping up for a while. There was a significant switch last year in the SB scene. We have been discussing and theorizing it but definitely people are paying these prices because many would not even budge in negotiation. There may even be organization behind it, like many girls are managed. In this sense, the girls work together in group. The girls are going to have an edge over the customers who work independently. I figure that I would just go to the source which still has the old rate mostly. Scandallo is a bad influence. The girls that have worked in Scandallo are most likely to charge gringos more elsewhere too.

This is one person's observation. Take what others have said to form a better picture.

Girls used to throw a high number and usually accepted a reasonable counter offer. Now they aren't willing to willing to negotiate. You have some very plausible explanations regarding what might be causing this behavior.

I believe what everyone shares on this forum is based on individual experience unless otherwise stated. Disclaimers doesn't hurt but do we need them for everything?

[Lalabo]

I asked recently and unfortunately the locals I know are paying that R1,500 number more often than not, though I get the impression they're almost never paying more. At Scandallo the price makes a bit more sense, especially if you're a local who is fluent in Portuguese. I know when I meet a girl I like who speaks English, we can easily sit and hang out for 2+ hours and I frequently see girls spending that kind of time with someone on the floor. Frankly I even see that shit happen at Casarao, much to my dismay. I'll see someone I want to fuck sitting in a booth or hanging out in a corner with a local, go fuck my second choice, and come back to see she hasn't moved ha.

Casarao tangent aside, at Scandallo I'd say R1,500 is going to be the standard with R1,000 or R1,200 occasionally being possible depending on your chemistry and her desire to work.

I too have observed girls spending hours with guys in both the clubs. Based on how quickly the prices are raising I dread to think where they would be in an year or 2 years. I definitely need to ask for a huge raise to pay these prices. 😀.

[Lalabo]

Sure, there is content I can show only in a one-one conversation.

Indian guys post sooo many girl's faces in the New Delhi thread, making an accurate ID takes a few minutes with the use of face recog sites. Almost the same goes for Thailand and Colombia.

Image mining of this forum is quite easy, believe me and all communications are trasmited on the web in plain text.

I'm sure many tech guys, members of the forum, will agree with me.

Unfortunately, those Indians have very little respect and regard for others privacy and private / personal data. They don't give a damn about the consequences of posting / sharing pictures or personal info online / offline that someone may have shared with them in confidence. If they get their hands on anything they consider it their property to do whatever they please.

I was going to make a post about this website being insecure. I am glad you bought the topic up. Yes, like you said, everything everyone is posting on this site is transmitted as is without being encrypted. That means anyone on the network can read everything including your login credentials. I am not sure why this site still doesn't use https. When I joined this site 12+ years ago, I was dumb enough to pay the $20 membership fee to get messaging privileges using credit card without realizing the site was insecure. Luckily my CC wasn't compromised.

Are any of you realized this site is insecure and concerned about using it?

I have started using VPN for lot of my online activity and especially when use this website and any other insecure websites.

[The Critic]

I think you are not playing fair. When someone answer your challenge. Instead of admitting error, you change the rule, and attack.

Oh, You thought you were challenging me. You keep thinking that … Please, you got to be joking. You proved my point. I'm done with the conversation. Next.

[HiddenEye]

Sure, there is content I can show only in a one-one conversation.

Indian guys post sooo many girl's faces in the New Delhi thread, making an accurate ID takes a few minutes with the use of face recog sites. Almost the same goes for Thailand and Colombia.

Image mining of this forum is quite easy, believe me and all communications are trasmited on the web in plain text.

I'm sure many tech guys, members of the forum, will agree with me.

I meant seeing it with ones own eyes line in person in the club. I do like that you post pictures with your reports, but with blurred face it is difficult to assess a girl's look. I totally understand the reasons behind blurring faces.

[Anaggie]

Both nights were spent at Scandello. No reason to go anywhere else. I enjoy the atmosphere and the vibes so why go somewhere else? Plus, I was with two great ISGers for company SocratesNY and Lalabo. Later on Saturday, we had another guy join our group who is a close contact of Steve9696. Plus we had some other contacts of SocratesNY join so we had a decent size group of guys to hang out with. This is what makes it fun guys hanging out, hot looking women and free flowing drinks😜.

Friday night thought it would be busy with the game but it didn't really get busy till later in the evening. We stayed around till 130 am while everyone else stayed much later because my girl wanted to get back to the room and fuck. She also she had something special for me and wanted to go. So we left. Reaching the hotel, both of us showered and she came out with my "gift" in her hand. Turned out to be a butt plug. I thought I would get anal which we have done before. But no. She uses a larger size butt plug to constrict her vagina and it is possibly the best feeling I have ever had especially when you are BB with it. It felt as if someone grabbed my dick and wouldn't let go. And it was out of this world. First time I have experienced it. And I was able to last a long time so we were able to enjoy this for at least 30-45 minutes of sex while she orgasmed multiple times. Another great night and I fell asleep with her head on my chest and a smile on my face. Total cost at scan was around 1. 8 k for dinner, a bottle of gin, multiple cans of tonic and Red Bull tropical and her entry. We got there before 7 pm so my entry wasn't added.

Saturday dinner was at Casa do Porco with SocratesNY, Lalabo, my girl and the other contact and his girl. Entry to Scandello was 500 because we didn't get in till after 930 pm. This night was slower but still a lot of hot fucking women. We had the same group of guys so we ordered the bottles and everyone settled in. Went home around 2 am and had another great round of sex with the butt plug but this time she let me insert it and that got me hard as fuck so I was able to last even longer and it was extremely satisfying to be able to last and keep her content. Cost at Scandello was approx 2 k since we added the extra entry fee, another bottle of gin, can of mixers and her entry fee.

A hell of a weekend and I was glad to meet up with a lot of guys who have similar interests and like to enjoy life!!

Restaurants I ate this time around:

Thaitai https://maps.app.goo.gl/v8yKjBQwkoZX...s.preview.copy their pastel do camarao is to die for.

Casa do Porco https://maps.app.goo.gl/sSK6zfo79hP4...s.preview.copy rated in the top 50 restaurants in the world. Their roast pig is fucking delicious.

Leggero Pizza https://maps.app.goo.gl/w8gDrtau1V1G...s.preview.copy awesome handmade thin crust pizza before hitting Scandello to help soak up the alcohol🤣.

Tartuferia https://maps.app.goo.gl/xGfQxsVWWhJs...s.preview.copy good Italian food.

[Nounce]

Good suggestions. I will ask few locals instead of the girls to get an idea on the pricing when I visit the club in couple of months.

It has been creeping up for a while. There was a significant switch last year in the SB scene. We have been discussing and theorizing it but definitely people are paying these prices because many would not even budge in negotiation. There may even be organization behind it, like many girls are managed. In this sense, the girls work together in group. The girls are going to have an edge over the customers who work independently. I figure that I would just go to the source which still has the old rate mostly. Scandallo is a bad influence. The girls that have worked in Scandallo are most likely to charge gringos more elsewhere too.

This is one person's observation. Take what others have said to form a better picture.

[JZeleznik]

I really doubt the local folks are getting these quotes and most of them are paying them.

I asked recently and unfortunately the locals I know are paying that R1,500 number more often than not, though I get the impression they're almost never paying more. At Scandallo the price makes a bit more sense, especially if you're a local who is fluent in Portuguese. I know when I meet a girl I like who speaks English, we can easily sit and hang out for 2+ hours and I frequently see girls spending that kind of time with someone on the floor. Frankly I even see that shit happen at Casarao, much to my dismay. I'll see someone I want to fuck sitting in a booth or hanging out in a corner with a local, go fuck my second choice, and come back to see she hasn't moved ha.

Casarao tangent aside, at Scandallo I'd say R1,500 is going to be the standard with R1,000 or R1,200 occasionally being possible depending on your chemistry and her desire to work.