Jakarta

[Expat American]

It makes no difference to me if they are actually freelancers or if they are controlled by a mamasan. I just want to be able to take them back to my place for a ST session and then off they go. 500 k to 700 k IDR is fine with me for an hour BBFS and I don't mind trying to pull them from lokasari or CJs or Kota Indah bars. And I plan on visiting classic and travel too while I am there. But you think I will be disappointed?

Yes, because you have no understanding about how the scene in Jakarta works. You are building sand castles in your mind which bear no resemblance to reality on the ground. Many regular Jakarta mongers have repeatedly said this on the board but you seem to think you already know better. So yes, you will be disappointed. 100%.

[Gabacho]

Just to clarify, there is no FL scene at Lokasari. All girls are controlled by Mama sans. All negotiation is done with the Mama san. Honestly you are better off going to Classic. Way more girls and lot cleaner too. I've read Gabacho posts and he is going to be sorely disappointed. Jakarta is not for everyone. People used to Thailand who compare the scenes will be disappointed. Most western punters not familiar with Asian style mongering will be disappointed. But if you know what you are doing and unlock Jakarta, the quality of the girls and the sex is unsurpassed.

It makes no difference to me if they are actually freelancers or if they are controlled by a mamasan. I just want to be able to take them back to my place for a ST session and then off they go. 500 k to 700 k IDR is fine with me for an hour BBFS and I don't mind trying to pull them from lokasari or CJs or Kota Indah bars. And I plan on visiting classic and travel too while I am there. But you think I will be disappointed?

[Banana Boi]

Clarity on my part. I am a numbers guy and rarely take any girl for a third try and want them gone once finished. The girls were quoting 1000 k range for an hour so I cancelled trying to meet them. Basically negotiations failed. I was offering same money I would pay normally (500 k) so the girl could keep the entry fee, mamasan portion, and the company's portion. One hour before her shift. Then she could simply walk 2 minutes to her work. I thought that was easy and very fair

I think 500 k is a fair price for a Classic girl to visit your hotel. She's going to be making 3 x what she would make for a session at Classic. I'd add 100 k or so if my hotel were say HI Gajah Mada but not a 2 minute walk like you are. Like you, I'm also a ST guy and want the girl gone after I'm done. Only exception would be if the girl agrees to go eat with me.

Do you know what he normally pays them if they do happen to show up? LOL.

Sorry I never asked but I'm guessing it would be along the lines of what LoveitHere and myself stated above. I'm guessing for CJ's it would be what he paid the first time they met one another.

I've read Gabacho posts and he is going to be sorely disappointed. Jakarta is not for everyone. People used to Thailand who compare the scenes will be disappointed. Most western punters not familiar with Asian style mongering will be disappointed. But if you know what you are doing and unlock Jakarta, the quality of the girls and the sex is unsurpassed.

Agree don't come to Jakarta thinking this is Thailand or even PP for that matter. There is no fun bar scene in Jakarta. It's for the most part point and shoot.

[LoveItHere69]

Those aren't very good stats for a successful meetup.

I have a friend who makes plans with his Classic, Travel, KI, and CJs regulars. I ask him if he wants to do lunch and he says no he has a girl coming over. More often than not I get a text around his meet up time if I want to go to lunch because his girl flaked.

Clarity on my part. I am a numbers guy and rarely take any girl for a third try and want them gone once finished. The girls were quoting 1000 k range for an hour so I cancelled trying to meet them. Basically negotiations failed. I was offering same money I would pay normally (500 k) so the girl could keep the entry fee, mamasan portion, and the company's portion. One hour before her shift. Then she could simply walk 2 minutes to her work. I thought that was easy and very fair but I and others think the mamasans have lots of control over the girl's time and phone. It seems as if the mamasans like helping the girl visit customers for their cut while the company gets ziltch. I did have some regulars in Medellin Colombia but they too were flaky.

I have tried the online BS and sneak outs in several countries with the majority resulting in wasted time. Guys telling you they have a 70% or higher success rate are liars or have very low standards. Happily 10 years ago the bar sneak out rate in Angeles City Philippines was 70%, but no more.

I had a girl I loved in Kota Indah and wanted a repeat with her. Went there 5 days in a row but not there. No big deal I just take another girl or go to the next bar. Not sure if she has a customer, menstruation, I took too long to finish, did not tip enough, sick, or whatever is the problem. Maybe she simply gave me a mercy "F". I just want another.

[Expat American]

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I am not fond of Gabacho. He thinks Lokasari is like Centro in Medellin. I know both well. I am breaking his vision of Lokasari because it is better he lower his expectations now than when he gets here. He was planning his hotel stay around his play time in Lokasari. I am actually helping him. Tough love. ExpatAmerican just further backed what BB, I, and others have posted about the FL scene there. ExpatAmerican also verified that FLs are not that easily spotted as others had posted.

Just to clarify, there is no FL scene at Lokasari. All girls are controlled by Mama sans. All negotiation is done with the Mama san. Honestly you are better off going to Classic. Way more girls and lot cleaner too. I've read Gabacho posts and he is going to be sorely disappointed. Jakarta is not for everyone. People used to Thailand who compare the scenes will be disappointed. Most western punters not familiar with Asian style mongering will be disappointed. But if you know what you are doing and unlock Jakarta, the quality of the girls and the sex is unsurpassed.

[JSmithJ88]

Those aren't very good stats for a successful meetup.

I have a friend who makes plans with his Classic, Travel, KI, and CJs regulars. I ask him if he wants to do lunch and he says no he has a girl coming over. More often than not I get a text around his meet up time if I want to go to lunch because his girl flaked.

Do you know what he normally pays them if they do happen to show up? LOL.

[Banana Boi]

I did get a girl from Travel to go to RedStar hotel for an hour for 500 k but really worked her over for that hour so gave her 700 k. I tried to get 6 girls to visit my hotel and she was the only one that came for a decent price for the 1 hour I wanted. Then a few days later I tried again and no reply. But she contacted me a few days later but we never met again. The 7th girl contact me 2 months after quitting work to meet me. Twice she did not visit and she picked the day and time. Third time she contacted me I told her to delete my number. I found the sneak outs to be too much work. Many of the replies come from mamasans using the girls phones and with prices around 1000 k whether it be one or several hours. Many others have commented with the same results. You verified that with the time and prices you listed.

Those aren't very good stats for a successful meetup.

I have a friend who makes plans with his Classic, Travel, KI, and CJs regulars. I ask him if he wants to do lunch and he says no he has a girl coming over. More often than not I get a text around his meet up time if I want to go to lunch because his girl flaked.

[Gabacho]

Actually what I would like to see is a platform like Thai Friendly or PinaLove specifically for Jakarta. I think that would be the ideal way to find freelancers. But I do want to check out the places in KI Complex, check the street scene just to see what is available there, and also classic and travel.

[Gabacho]

I did get a girl from Travel to go to RedStar hotel for an hour for 500 k but really worked her over for that hour so gave her 700 k. I tried to get 6 girls to visit my hotel and she was the only one that came for a decent price for the 1 hour I wanted. Then a few days later I tried again and no reply. But she contacted me a few days later but we never met again. The 7th girl contact me 2 months after quitting work to meet me. Twice she did not visit and she picked the day and time. Third time she contacted me I told her to delete my number. I found the sneak outs to be too much work. Many of the replies come from mamasans using the girls phones and with prices around 1000 k whether it be one or several hours. Many others have commented with the same results. You verified that with the time and prices you listed.

I am not fond of Gabacho. He thinks Lokasari is like Centro in Medellin. I know both well. I am breaking his vision of Lokasari because it is better he lower his expectations now than when he gets here. He was planning his hotel stay around his play time in Lokasari. I am actually helping him. Tough love. ExpatAmerican just further backed what BB, I, and others have posted about the FL scene there. ExpatAmerican also verified that FLs are not that easily spotted as others had posted.

I haven't even been there yet, although I'm getting closer and will be there soon. So how can you say what I think lokasari is like? I've just been gathering info from here and making adjustments to my plans. I'm thinking of staying closer to kota Indah complex now.

That being said I do want to check out lokasari and the area the other guy mentioned that he saw them on the motorbike, the guy you were talking shit to. Also EA gave a pretty vivid picture of the area in his assessment which is more than I can say about your posts which for the most part tend to talk shit about other members and post vague information that is sometimes correct and sometimes incorrect compared to other members.

[JSmithJ88]

New this time were the SA girls. Found two submissive girls and had some fun BDSM / anal etc sessions. If you think Emporium is too expensive then SA is not for you. But there were plenty of non pro educated English speaking girls available, many into kink and more interesting things than your average Classic girl. I enjoyed session that ranged from 4 to 7 hours each with one of the girls willing to stay longer but I sent her home cause I needed to sleep.

Very interested in SA chicks. Are you willing to provide more details?

[JennyKk]

That's exactly the point. Girls think that 200K is granted for the basic service and expect the punter to tip 300K or above for a good service. So, it adds up to the final cost. Of course one can choose not to give the additional tip expected.

Totally agree. Tip should be voluntary. If you put the 200 k into calculation, emporium will have similar cost compared to malio /1001. And I think its LU is not on par with those two.

It can be changed to 200 k minimum tips if you are satisfied or nothing if you are not satisfied. Just not mandatory.

[Werqweq]

I finally checked out the infamous Lokasari. Don't expect it to be like Sukhumvit at night. There are a few mama sans but you have to kind of know what you are looking for. The mama sans have a handful of girls, they call them and do a small line up on the street. Most are very young and some are quite pretty. 500 including the room. Service is very basic. Honestly Classic at the same price has far better selection and you can find gems with good service and cleaner set up. Tried it to say I did. Don't think I would repeat. Mama san would send girls to your hotel for 2-3 hours short time for 700 k.

Thanks for reviewing. Since the price is higher than classic, but setup and rooms sounds quite iffy, it seems like the girls would indeed need to be prettier and with less mileage for anyone to bother with this.

[LoveItHere69]

I did get a girl from Travel to go to RedStar hotel for an hour for 500 k but really worked her over for that hour so gave her 700 k. I tried to get 6 girls to visit my hotel and she was the only one that came for a decent price for the 1 hour I wanted. Then a few days later I tried again and no reply. But she contacted me a few days later but we never met again. The 7th girl contact me 2 months after quitting work to meet me. Twice she did not visit and she picked the day and time. Third time she contacted me I told her to delete my number. I found the sneak outs to be too much work. Many of the replies come from mamasans using the girls phones and with prices around 1000 k whether it be one or several hours. Many others have commented with the same results. You verified that with the time and prices you listed.

I am not fond of Gabacho. He thinks Lokasari is like Centro in Medellin. I know both well. I am breaking his vision of Lokasari because it is better he lower his expectations now than when he gets here. He was planning his hotel stay around his play time in Lokasari. I am actually helping him. Tough love. ExpatAmerican just further backed what BB, I, and others have posted about the FL scene there. ExpatAmerican also verified that FLs are not that easily spotted as others had posted.

[Thampi62]

That's exactly the point. Girls think that 200K is granted for the basic service and expect the punter to tip 300K or above for a good service. So, it adds up to the final cost. Of course one can choose not to give the additional tip expected.

If my memory is correct in my last visit few months ago, the asked me weather I pay any tip and I agreed and wrote some thing near the room key counter area and from the reception they collected 200 k. In my second visit I told the lady that shall pay the tip to her and gave it in her hand. She was the one ready to join me after work.

If anyone is not happy with the service, ofcourse can deny the tip after the room.

[WildInstincts]

If Emporium is telling guys up front there's a mandatory 200k tip none of us should complain. We just add 200k to the price that is quoted and it's up to us to take a girl or not. Emporium is doing this I'm guessing because a lot of guys had been coming in and tipping 50-100k or not tipping at all. Problem is now girls feel all they have to do is basic service and receive 200k tip. If they give excellent service they want 300+k. Slippery slope. Again, we can go or not go just know what the TRUE cost is.

That's exactly the point. Girls think that 200K is granted for the basic service and expect the punter to tip 300K or above for a good service. So, it adds up to the final cost. Of course one can choose not to give the additional tip expected.