The Morality of Prostitution

[WestsideGuy89]

Interesting post. Would be hugely interested to know how old you are? When is "too old". I have a business associate whose Dad lost his wife after many years of happy marriage during covid. About a year after her death his Dad spoke to me and asked if I thought it would be terrible for him to take a prostitute as he was longing for intimacy and sex again. He was 85! I told him that life is too short, that at 85 he may or may not have a lot of it left and to enjoy every day. He had no reason for guilt, and should not hesitate to go enjoy a lovely young woman, treat her well and with respect (as he would have done anyway) and pay her. His face lit up. A few weeks later he said he's been to a terrific club on the Costa Del Sol in Spain and had a terrific night! That was 3 years ago just after the first Covid lockdown. Well, he's still with us, I see him from time to time, he beams a smile, winks and tells me "If I am here and capable, I'll still be doing this at 100". Not sure any age is "too old" provided the body can still perform (with or without medicinal assistance!

I'm early 60's now. My only issue as I've gotten older is not desire or ability, it's finishing. I find it significantly more difficult with time to get off even if I'm totally up for it, with a hot girl, and into her. I'm hoping that doesn't get worse! Keep punting Sir.

Nothing wrong with paying for it. Doesn't matter your reason. Or your age. I'm in my late 40's and I enjoy it. If you enjoy it, run with it. Isn't it said variety is the spice of life? You arent going to get that with civilians. They want invested time. Stuck to one pussy? No way. Every blow job is different. When you get a good one, enjoy. Then you get tired of it. Move on. Ugly, good looking, young, or old. Enjoy it!

[PayForIt]

Cause I just want to say that if not for prostitution, my life would be miserable. Way, way more than it already has been and continues to be. Having sex with chicks is the only bright spot in my sad, sad existence, and since I'm too old, and have always been very ugly, getting civilian chicks to bang me has been a challenge to say the least. If it weren't for paid sex, if it weren't for pros, I would've killed myself ages ago. The next sex trip, it's all I live for now and it's all there is, and you know what? That's how it should be, cause why else does anyone do anything? People accumulate power, get wealth, all of it and then some, so that in the end, they can fucking fuck hot chicks. Morality? More like service. A very useful service provided. Prostitutes provide an incredible service, and I salute and applaud each and every one of them. Without them, loser fucks like me would never know real, sweaty, hot, nasty, awesome, gooey sex.

I too have traveled to over 20 plus countries, and have fucked chicks in them, and without p4p, it would have been damn near impossible for a guy with my face. I'm only at a few hundred chicks, but I'd be willing to fuck my way to destitution if it meant I could hit 1000. But I'm so old now, will there be enough time?

Interesting post. Would be hugely interested to know how old you are? When is "too old". I have a business associate whose Dad lost his wife after many years of happy marriage during covid. About a year after her death his Dad spoke to me and asked if I thought it would be terrible for him to take a prostitute as he was longing for intimacy and sex again. He was 85! I told him that life is too short, that at 85 he may or may not have a lot of it left and to enjoy every day. He had no reason for guilt, and should not hesitate to go enjoy a lovely young woman, treat her well and with respect (as he would have done anyway) and pay her. His face lit up. A few weeks later he said he's been to a terrific club on the Costa Del Sol in Spain and had a terrific night! That was 3 years ago just after the first Covid lockdown. Well, he's still with us, I see him from time to time, he beams a smile, winks and tells me "If I am here and capable, I'll still be doing this at 100". Not sure any age is "too old" provided the body can still perform (with or without medicinal assistance!

I'm early 60's now. My only issue as I've gotten older is not desire or ability, it's finishing. I find it significantly more difficult with time to get off even if I'm totally up for it, with a hot girl, and into her. I'm hoping that doesn't get worse! Keep punting Sir.

[WestsideGuy89]

How do the Canadians handle this? I spent time in a place in Montreal. Straight up cat house. It was 160 for 30 min inclusive, This is comparable to AMPS in the states. Since the dollar is weaker in USA, I would say this is not a high price. So how much are these places getting taxed? The girls should be like waitresses and responsible to report their own tips so it can be less of a burden on the consumer not to mention maybe there could be ways to make it so if your dissatisfied with the service you can change how much you "tip".

Meant to say Canadian dollar is weaker. I spend 160 here its 160. I spend 160 there and it only cost me 120 US.

[WestsideGuy89]

How do the Canadians handle this? I spent time in a place in Montreal. Straight up cat house. It was 160 for 30 min inclusive, This is comparable to AMPS in the states. Since the dollar is weaker in USA, I would say this is not a high price. So how much are these places getting taxed? The girls should be like waitresses and responsible to report their own tips so it can be less of a burden on the consumer not to mention maybe there could be ways to make it so if your dissatisfied with the service you can change how much you "tip".

WaltoDerri, you make a lot of great points and I don't really disagree with any of them. I would just add two things to points that you raised:

I've donated and supported libertarian legalization efforts in the past. Unfortunately, for us mongers in the United States the politics of legalization in our country mean we are attacked from both sides of the political spectrum. Feminists / progressives on the left are either anti prostitution or for "decriminalizing sexwork" with the intention that the US would adopt the Nordic model. For those unaware the Nordic model is implemented in many countries and it essentially criminalizes buyers like us, but says sellers (the girls) won't get punished. Meanwhile, on the right we have moralist conservatives whether they are Christian evangelicals or "anti-degeneracy" types similar to Matt Walsh that see prostitution as an affront to traditional family values and "degenerate behavior"..

[SubCmdr]

USAGOV could legalize Prostitution across the country. It would still fall to the states to regulate it unless you were transporting girls across state lines in order to conduct business.

Of course prices will go up. The independent girls must pay taxes on the record, the business must pay taxes on the record for their income and employees. There will be costs to incur to be compliant with regulations. You cannot institute price controls. The market will dictate.

Alright so your weed is more expensive. Compare that with defending yourself against a drug charge.

The Defense Rests

[KingStannis2]

WaltoDerri, you make a lot of great points and I don't really disagree with any of them. I would just add two things to points that you raised:

Imagine how much the US economy would thrive if this was legal. "it can't be taxed" you could argue the same for any cash heavy business. Yet they are taxed. For a country that champions capitalism and the sale of dam near anything and everything, and price gouging with disregard to how it affects the every day person, I am genuinely surprised it hasn't been legalized yet. What two consenting adults do behind closed doors is their business. I say the following assuming we all feel mostly the same about our shared hobby, but I'm sure there are lurkers who hate us and read this anyway.

To those "woke" progressives out there who have twisted their own brainwashing to call this hobby "paid rape" you are wrong. "Consent can't be bought" you are not buying consent, you are paying for the service, just like you pay for any other service. Even a (pro sex work) feminist will tell you this. I promise you these same people still clock into jobs they hate, and there are jobs far worse than getting paid to get laid (working in sewage, war zones etc). A hot college co-ed enthusiastically sucking me and enthusiastically participating in sex is by definition, not being raped. "She wouldn't do it if not for the money" yeah well I wouldn't do it if she was unattractive. Just like a civvie wouldn't sleep with someone she didn't want, or have a connection with. The only difference are the conditions. An SB whose pussy is WET for me is NOT someone who does not want it. Please. We just cut to the chase of paying her bills like a husband pays the bills in his household to care for the wife without the drama and social rituals.

I've donated and supported libertarian legalization efforts in the past. Unfortunately, for us mongers in the United States the politics of legalization in our country mean we are attacked from both sides of the political spectrum. Feminists / progressives on the left are either anti prostitution or for "decriminalizing sexwork" with the intention that the US would adopt the Nordic model. For those unaware the Nordic model is implemented in many countries and it essentially criminalizes buyers like us, but says sellers (the girls) won't get punished. Meanwhile, on the right we have moralist conservatives whether they are Christian evangelicals or "anti-degeneracy" types similar to Matt Walsh that see prostitution as an affront to traditional family values and "degenerate behavior".

As far as taxation, I think you're indeed correct that it would add a lot of revenue to state, local, and federal coffers. However, a member of the sister website USASG once argued that this could also mean a huge spike in the cost of girls similar to the effect of marijuana legalization. Marijuana is legal in many states in the United States, but since it is so heavily taxed the prices have gone up significantly. So we could potentially see the same with legalized, but heavily taxed prostitution. Perhaps, the high rates of girls at legalized brothels in Nevada is a good example of that. I believe full legalization needs to be done that includes low taxes and various legal means (brothels, red light districts, independents) competing with each other to help ensure the rates for girls don't increase exorbitantly.

[SubCmdr]

Nice write up WaltoDerri. We agree on much more than we disagree.

[WaltoDerri]

I do not know how one can be free of that if you live in the (Dis) United States of America where prostitution is illegal. Unless you obey the law. I suppose that is why ISG exists. Because men want to escape the sexual prisons society and their governments impose on them. You can travel the world to seek out legal avenues for hiring prostitutes. But I bet that most cannot escape the social stigma that goes with it. I bet most keep the fact that they travel the world to hire prostitutes a secret. Only to be shared with an inner circle of people who also do it.

TL DR: Morality is subjective. Who cares what the nay sayers have to say? Are they fucking you or getting you laid? Nope. Do they care if you are lonely? Also no.

Imagine how much the US economy would thrive if this was legal. "it can't be taxed" you could argue the same for any cash heavy business. Yet they are taxed. For a country that champions capitalism and the sale of dam near anything and everything, and price gouging with disregard to how it affects the every day person, I am genuinely surprised it hasn't been legalized yet. What two consenting adults do behind closed doors is their business. I say the following assuming we all feel mostly the same about our shared hobby, but I'm sure there are lurkers who hate us and read this anyway.

To those "woke" progressives out there who have twisted their own brainwashing to call this hobby "paid rape" you are wrong. "Consent can't be bought" you are not buying consent, you are paying for the service, just like you pay for any other service. Even a (pro sex work) feminist will tell you this. I promise you these same people still clock into jobs they hate, and there are jobs far worse than getting paid to get laid (working in sewage, war zones etc). A hot college co-ed enthusiastically sucking me and enthusiastically participating in sex is by definition, not being raped. "She wouldn't do it if not for the money" yeah well I wouldn't do it if she was unattractive. Just like a civvie wouldn't sleep with someone she didn't want, or have a connection with. The only difference are the conditions. An SB whose pussy is WET for me is NOT someone who does not want it. Please. We just cut to the chase of paying her bills like a husband pays the bills in his household to care for the wife without the drama and social rituals.

A woman can still decide to do with her body as she pleases. In a society where it's legal and the client is a prick who comes crazy, hostile, unhygienic, etc she still has the right to say no and change her mind. He has the right to refund or legal recourse. This is not so in a country where it is not. Both have something to lose. Nothing is stopping her from applying to any other job or going back to school in a country with opportunity.

Others will bring up unideal situations as arguments against it and say legal work makes it worse and justifies "abuse and trafficking" elsewhere. Hold your horses, when it crosses into the territory of messed up things, then it ceases to be sex work and becomes trafficking. Just like there is a difference between fisherman and miners in legal jobs in those industries and unfortunate souls in Africa and Asia duped into modern slavery thinking they got a real job in those same fields. No one here is celebrating human suffering, but fishing and mining jobs being legal doesn't justify abuse elsewhere. Dumb logic.

What we are doing is enjoying ourselves with consenting adults. The way I and many men see it, many women would not date or marry let alone sleep with a broke man unable to provide. Providing costs money. Most of society does mental gymnastics to say "oh I don't pay for it" or " I don't charge for it" but lets be real. At the end of the day who do civilian women choose? They choose the man with the funds to pay for a lifestyle. They just don't charge you directly, but see how long your relationship lasts if you refuse to pay for dinners, dates, trips, or other activities and especially the bills.

You always pay for it, the only difference is how you pay, how much, and the specific conditions.

The divorce stories I hear are nightmarish and in the US your wife can cheat on you in your home and take half of your assets. Other countries don't have these goofy laws. It makes me not want to get married unless its somewhere a prenup is enforceable. The goofies will say "men are always worried about us taking their money, what money?" the money they make us spend on them LOL. All in all a one night stand is cheaper than the wedding, the bills for 2,your mental health with someone who's never happy, the possible divorce, the alimony, and so on.

This is where the hobby comes as a relief. Just straight to the action. We have fun. Go home. No Drama. No losing your assets. No leading anyone on and hurting feelings just to get laid. Its a win-win. Sure, a traditional relationship and sharing your life with someone is nice, but it is harder and harder to find a good woman willing to have a grown mature relationship. Especially with how shallow women are these days and they talk about us LOL. For those of us who struggle in dating, we will enjoy ourselves. To each their own.

[SubCmdr]

Go to the many of the countries in South East Asia and you will realize that the very question of the morality of prostitution is a very western concept.

Why do I say that?

My experiences in Thailand. Everyone just approaches the issue differently. A freelancer once told me, price is dependent upon what the girl needs right now. If a girl needs 500 THB right now. She is going to go with you. When usually she might ask for twice that. In some cities it seems like every girl is willing to slang that nasty thing. It is both amazing and refreshing at the same time.

[Newton York]

Cause I just want to say that if not for prostitution, my life would be miserable. Way, way more than it already has been and continues to be. Having sex with chicks is the only bright spot in my sad, sad existence, and since I'm too old, and have always been very ugly, getting civilian chicks to bang me has been a challenge to say the least. If it weren't for paid sex, if it weren't for pros, I would've killed myself ages ago. The next sex trip, it's all I live for now and it's all there is, and you know what? That's how it should be, cause why else does anyone do anything? People accumulate power, get wealth, all of it and then some, so that in the end, they can fucking fuck hot chicks. Morality? More like service. A very useful service provided. Prostitutes provide an incredible service, and I salute and applaud each and every one of them. Without them, loser fucks like me would never know real, sweaty, hot, nasty, awesome, gooey sex.

I too have traveled to over 20 plus countries, and have fucked chicks in them, and without p4p, it would have been damn near impossible for a guy with my face. I'm only at a few hundred chicks, but I'd be willing to fuck my way to destitution if it meant I could hit 1000. But I'm so old now, will there be enough time?

[D Cups]

Fellow Mongers,

How drab my life would be if not for P4P. Yeah there is meaningful work but let us face it: we work to get laid, and that is a much better thing than being married. After all, it is the working girl's JOB to get us off! And many of them do a great job! After almost 50-some years of horndogging I am 68 now, never married, with a body count of 650 plus or minus 25. I would say most of them are amply endowed as is my preference. Banged girls from approximately 25 countries so I consider myself quite lucky. And an equal opportunity employer, for sure <wink . Some would accuse me of being shallow or hollow without strong familial ties but from the stories I hear that road is a bumpy one, too. Anyway, counting my blessings and especially for willing women of wanton desire despite their circumstance to polish my knob one way or another. Cheers from the Cups, Merry Christmas and to the best ever in 2024! If hope to add another 40 or 50 notches.

[Bango Cheito]

When it comes to P4P, the best country is where you don't even need to deal with the law. Because consenting adults there are free to have P4P relationships with each other as they wish.

I'd rather be in Thailand or even China, than in USA, when it comes to P4P. Because it's better not to deal with any kind of accusations at all, and be free to do this by mutual consent, than having to defend yourself against the police and the government in a court of law.

True freedom is where you don't need to fear unfair accusations by the authorities and be constantly prepared to defend yourself against them. True freedom is freedom from fear and accusations. And that's what USA doesn't have in this issue, compared to some other countries.

I just heard about a guy who went to China and the first night had a girl come over for some p4 p. The next morning, police were knocking at his door. He was three months in prison there before they let him out, and people say he hasn't been the same since.

[SubCmdr]

True freedom is where you don't need to fear unfair accusations by the authorities and be constantly prepared to defend yourself against them. True freedom is freedom from fear and accusations. And that's what USA doesn't have in this issue, compared to some other countries.

I do not know how one can be free of that if you live in the (Dis) United States of America where prostitution is illegal. Unless you obey the law. I suppose that is why ISG exists. Because men want to escape the sexual prisons society and their governments impose on them. You can travel the world to seek out legal avenues for hiring prostitutes. But I bet that most cannot escape the social stigma that goes with it. I bet most keep the fact that they travel the world to hire prostitutes a secret. Only to be shared with an inner circle of people who also do it.

[Dan7373]

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No justice system is perfect. And those with complaints about it can move to a country like China, Thailand or any other country in the world that has a Justice system that is more to their liking.

When it comes to P4P, the best country is where you don't even need to deal with the law. Because consenting adults there are free to have P4P relationships with each other as they wish.

I'd rather be in Thailand or even China, than in USA, when it comes to P4P. Because it's better not to deal with any kind of accusations at all, and be free to do this by mutual consent, than having to defend yourself against the police and the government in a court of law.

True freedom is where you don't need to fear unfair accusations by the authorities and be constantly prepared to defend yourself against them. True freedom is freedom from fear and accusations. And that's what USA doesn't have in this issue, compared to some other countries.

[SubCmdr]

Not guilty your honor

Anyone from the (Dis) United States of America has heard of the OJ Simpson Trial. Can you tell us the jury verdict on that trial?

Anyone familiar with Robert Kraft? He was charged with soliciting a prostitute. What happened to the charges?

The justice system is biased towards those who have money. They can hire the lawyers to work the system. Most of whom were successful prosecutors making chump change working for the government. Made their bones and then decided to become defense attorneys and rake in the big money.

No justice system is perfect. And those with complaints about it can move to a country like China, Thailand or any other country in the world that has a Justice system that is more to their liking.

The defense rests.

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