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11-27-24 11:19 #13906Regular Member

Posts: 8I know this post is a little old, but I'm responding as more of a PSA to people who want to pick up a tachinbo at Okubo Park.
Originally Posted by CCRider1008
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If you want to pick up a tochinbo, I don't recommend going there to do it. Youtubers, journalists, activists and plain clothed police officers are out there regularly now due to it being a well known area. The videos and articles you've seen really put the spotlight there. Also, some of those girls are runaways and / or underage. If caught, your situation will be 100 x worse if it turns out she's underage whether you knew it or not. If she looks too young, ask for her ID. It's better to be safe than sorry. It's the difference between a slap on the wrist or going to jail and getting your passport blacklisted.
Syphilis and HepA are also big problems.
The guys who hang out with them are usually just friends and clients who have nothing better to do.
They want to know what you want to do before they come with you. It can be a little difficult if you don't know the lingo, but nothing google translate can't handle. As for hotels, it's honestly best to go to a nearby love hotel. On weekdays, you can book 1. 5 hrs for less than 5 k yen. Lapia is a good place. They also provide complimentary popcorn, soft drinks and 1 free cosplay rental if you're into that.
You'll notice that they're always on their phones. That's because they network with each other and they advertise on twitter. (Safest place to book a girl).
They also hangout near train stations and at random spots in Kabukicho. Don't mistake them for the older Chinese ladies who randomly walk up to you asking for a "massage".
You can book underground AV models on Twitter too. The "FC2-PPV" porn videos are basically guys who do that and record their encounters.
The experience can also be a hit or miss because some of them are all business with no emotion. You can get GFE, but you're not guaranteed it or they charge extra.
Honestly, the only benefit of picking up a tachinbo is if she's ok with it, for 30-50 k depending on the girl, they'll let you go all the way. BBFS CIP and everything. If that's not what you want to do, it's better to go with the agencies you see on other posts here.
TLDR.
Okubo park is starting to become risky due to mass reporting of the area and STDs. Watch out for underage runaways. Tachinbo are only worth it if you want (and they offer) BBFS CIP. Otherwise, go with an agency.
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11-27-24 07:27 #13905Senior Member

Posts: 30Are BBBJ and BBFS the norm in soaplands?
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11-27-24 03:28 #13904Senior Member

Posts: 243Wonderful. And remember how cheap and fast trains are in major cities. It's easy to go from Tokyo to Kawasaki. If you've been sightseeing for hours, you need to rest your legs anyways. So sitting on a train looking out the window or on your phone isn't a waste but a necessary transition. Just looked it up, it is 20 minutes from Shibuya to Kawasaki at 240 yen. That's $1.57. I had to double check because I couldn't believe this other site that said $1-$2:
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I love breakfast in Japan too. Fantastic breakfast for $3-$6. Would be $20 for that in the USA now, exact same order but lower quality food even. Things get much cheaper once you leave Tokyo. Once, I ate a bunch of sushi. It was $16. In the USA it would have been $60 and not as good. This was a particularly good value shop, certainly there are more expensive sushi places in Japan and they're not all as good as the $16 one. But, they're all better than 95% of USA sushi.
This goes to the point that when in Japan, choose their specialty. You can't get soapland this good elsewhere, there are imitations including in Thailand. Kgirls offer nuru in the US. At best it's half of it. When I go to Japan, I'm looking for Japan's specialties. I was once put in a room with three kidnapped schoolgirls all blindfolded with hands tied*. I could harass them for 5 minutes before picking one to play with upstairs. This all happened suddenly as the staff left me and closed the curtains for the darkened room. I was in shock. But this was my Japan adventure and I resolved to do things the Japanese way. I told one girl "I'll pick you anyways so let's go upstairs early" She told me "Dame, 5 minutes". Rules are rules in Japan.
*Not actual schoolgirls, just petite girls in uniform. I saw cartoon ads depicting the whole kidnap room, I thought it was just dramatized to show the theme but had no idea it was really going to happen. All girls 20 and over. Barely. They know how to pick them. This not actual school was the first girl to P2P me (sumatra), it took 20 years for a kgirl to outdo her (Kendal / Shelby). Shelby is in OC starting yesterday.
See this for a list of foreigner friendly shops, though a little Japanese will help a lot. Keeping in mind that 'foreigner only' delivery health is perhaps the most newbie friendly:
https://yoasobi-heaven.com/en/tokyo/shop-list/
https://yoasobi-heaven.com/en/tokyo/A1303/toranoana/ Famous shop for having JAV actresses, but you can't book the top tier girls until you are a good repeat customer.
https://yoasobi-heaven.com/en/tokyo/...rful-yoshiwar/ Fashionable schoolgirls
https://yoasobi-heaven.com/en/tokyo/A1311/puzzle/ Completely inexperienced girls
https://yoasobi-heaven.com/en/tokyo/A1317/videogirl/ Filming okay, Chinese English and Korean okay
https://yoasobi-heaven.com/en/tokyo/A1317/kiwami_g/ Instant blowjob "no wiping or washing" WTF
By the way, Japan gives no fucks about PC. It's just common sense that most guys want to play with the youngest possible legally aged women possible. They are upfront about it. That's why you see ridiculous "Teen to 20" banners imply 18-20 when we all know it's more like 20-35. Though at a few shops like Gingira it's legit 19-25. My favorite girl started that shop at 19. Once you step out of Japan please regain your Western common sense though.
Please don't be offended when I say I hate helping lazy people. I love helping others help themselves, so I only point the way. I've already done more than half the research, you have to do the rest.
PS there is one ad photo I decided not to include, I made a meme instead in its place.
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11-27-24 00:55 #13903Senior Member

Posts: 1448If you're cheap, Tokyo probably isn't the place for you.
Originally Posted by JohnWick6969
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But if you'd RTFF you'd learn that Bunny Girls in Tokyo is 20,000 Yen for 70 minutes and GFE soapland in Kawasaki has a 20,000 Yen option too. Comes out to about $130 for FS.
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11-26-24 23:32 #13902Regular Member

Posts: 23Sorry, but can you clarify if Gingira has an actual shop, and where it is? I'm not sure if this place is phone only.
Originally Posted by TravelerX
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I do know of some love hotels around the old THC office in Shibuya, but I don't know Shinjuku as well. But mainly interested in whether Gingira has a walk-in shop. Thanks!
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11-26-24 18:54 #13901Senior Member

Posts: 30Ok thanks a lot for your feedback mate. Very informative.
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11-26-24 17:32 #13900Senior Member

Posts: 243$200 is cheap for 70 minutes soapland. It's more than just FS in my opinion. Also, Kira Kira is Yokohama, which is 35 minutes from Shibuya of Tokyo. Best to see my journal description of my first Kira Kira experience with Mona. I've repeated since and it's always great service, not just a bang. The course varies but we hopped in the bath and she sucked me (first me up on her knees then me standing), then we did nuru gel play on an inflatable mattress, then normal sex at the bed, then cuddling and chatting. We could make a good connection, anyone who is nice and reasonable might do the same. Since we vibed well I could get her LINE if I wanted to see her again, but I prefer to fly free like a butterfly. So soap involves being worshipped by the girl the whole 70 minutes. I've never once got that at 'just a FS' place, in 20 years. There's a reason people specifically choose soapland, especially older guys.
Originally Posted by JohnWick6969
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http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2963631 My first time to Kira Kira 2023.
Long ago I've been offered FS for $70-$100 in Japan at a corg but the girls weren't to my liking. I believe the right word is ugly, but that's just my experience I visited 10 different corg shops and 9 sucked. So it's not just 'luck' in my opinion. What do I mean by 'just a FS' place? There also used to be glass houses in Yokohama like Amsterdam where you coould pick Chinese girls to bang for $70, I did that many times long ago. But it no longer exists. Girls give you 15 minutes so yes it's cheaper if you ONLY want to bang, but soapland is actually way better for 70 minutes of reverent worship. Plus the glass houses were demolished long ago. Today in the year 2024 what you should do is to pick soapland or delivery health, and it's going to be $200 or more. Each one has its advantage, my other posts compare them.
Here is my post reminding people that glass houses no longer exist in Easter Japan (try Tobita in Osaka for the closest thing):
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2927973 The mayor of Yokohama promised to demolish glass houses, then resigned for a hostess scandal
Shin Okubo and Okubo park are not the same place. Shin Okubo is a small koreatown not far from Shinjuku. Okubo park has streetwalkers who may or may not pleasure you at your hotel. If there happens to be a thai girl or someone standing that speaks English, you can invite her back to your room and I and others have no idea what the two of you in private might say or then do. It is a complicated discussion but you are legally safe to do this, Japanese law doesn't punish the john (unless the girl is underage) and in any case does not allow investigation once it becomes private (between just two people). This is a one sentence summary of everything, hope that helps.
Not my thing, but others have written about it. You will just have to read back a few pages. If you aren't willing to do that, it's not for you then.
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11-26-24 07:28 #13899Senior Member

Posts: 30So 200 $ is cheap in Tokyo for FS? Any chances to find something cheaper outside Tokyo?
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11-26-24 06:49 #13898Senior Member

Posts: 243I know Gingira because of a girl but meet her direct rather than the shop. However because of that and seeing her ad photos and shop updates among other things, I know they are legit. She is 22 for example, quite good looking. I will in the future try their shop for other girls, assuming the girl I'm seeing isn't going to monopolize me (I doubt she will).
Originally Posted by EdHaskell
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If your hotel doesn't support it, you need to book your girl and say the love hotel, then go to the love hotel, check in, and call them to tell them your room number. So you want to plan ahead of time. I can't answer how well they communicate in English but they have an English website with a booking system so it should be okay. This is one benefit of the 'foreigner only' ones. But I'm determined to try other girls next visit so I'll report back some day. As I said, my expertise is in all the middle-action clubs (oppai pubs to fetish), not maid cafes or FS.
I think other experts can explain the DH booking system better (or a foreigner-friendly one's FAQ might do):
https://camikaze.cc/escort/foreigner-friendly-escorts/
See section 7 on the Love Hotel meetup which is common. Shibuya is full of them and it's maybe ~4000 yen for 90 or 120 minutes. Certainly if you're in Shinjuku you can get streetwalkers and bring them back to your hotel direct. I've linked to other reports pages back on that. And I've even picked up regular girls to bring back before. I was a total noob but in Roppongi and I hear Shibuya it's possible. I wrote out what happened, I won't rehash it all look back a few pages.
BTW, Gingira lately has added movie and gravure sections to highlight girls. For those who can't fly to Japan or book but are thirsty nonetheless:
https://yoasobi-heaven.com/en/tokyo/A1304/gingira/
For those who haven't tried any fs in Japan, I do think Kira Kira is a good start. Almost like fast food easy, 70 minutes of play including nuru. The girls are decent looking, not amazing but good enough, the price is reasonable and the service is good, they will worship you. I never quite get tired of it. They've raised the prices to 31k for 70 minutes ($200) which is still cheap and includes fs without negotiation.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2963631 Kira Kira Yokohama first experience
If you like it, you can level up for more luxurious options in Tokyo whether soapland or delivery health. Attached is a nicer soapland room. You tend to get what you pay for, but reserving a girl can up your chances.
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11-26-24 01:13 #13897Senior Member

Posts: 1448I'm not Japanese or Asian.
Originally Posted by RonnieMonger
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Every place I listed is open to English speaking foreigners.
Even penny pinchers.
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11-25-24 23:40 #13896Regular Member

Posts: 23Outstanding report, TravelerX, very helpful. I'm headed back to Tokyo for the first time in years, and looking for something different than the Yoshiwara or Jan Jan. I used Hentai Club a number of times years ago when they had some stunning mixed Japanese-Peruvian girls, but the current lineup doesn't look great to me, plus they no longer have the store in Shibuya, and I prefer not to haul my ass all the way to Shinjuku.
Originally Posted by TravelerX
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I had never heard of Gingira, but it looks like a great lineup. My question though. Is there an actual storefront, or is this takeway / phone ordering only? I could not find any physical location for it, but I prefer to go into the shop and view more photos, and usually there are love hotels nearby. Having them come to my hotel is a bit awkward because of the keycard for the lift.
Thanks for the advice.
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11-25-24 10:13 #13895Senior Member

Posts: 243I want to highlight the exact Manzoku shop I use when I go to Japan. I speak Japanese when I visit but I'm pretty sure English-only is fine. The thing is, the staff there are 3rd party 'neutral' and know 100% which shops will let you in. They make money taking you to the shop you want, they have no relationship with the shop. They want you to be happy and use them again, and I've used them with success for 20 years. This is why you don't need to follow touts (it's a gamble), go to a reputable store. Manzoku took me to Luxe, Leicester, and Hosekinobako which are all walking distance.
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So I walk in and I'll look at all their posters on the wall, asking about the oppai pubs and picking one. The staff will make a phone call to the shop and ask "Hi, may I introduce a customer? He is a Japanese speaking foreigner" They only take people to legit Japanese establishments because they rely on repeat visitors. They are upfront with communication, like sometimes the shop might say back "Sorry there will be a 20 minute wait is that okay?" and you decide okay or not. Around 6pm-8pm the wait is because girls are still showing up - you will not pay for the waiting time and can drink free beer and maybe snacks. Around 10pm-1am it will be because I and other guys are cockblocking you, keeping the girls busy. Fair enough right.
Also, Manzoku will get you the best rate by far because it is so competitive. Luxe for example is officially 13k cover charge, don't ever pay it. If I go to Manzoku then it is 6k or 8k "newbie special promo rate", $52. Try kissing three US strippers for $52 total. Note that every oppai pub offers the exact same promo rate because of competition. Imagine if McDonald's, Burger King, and Carl's Junior all offered you their most popular burger for the exact same price of $2.50 as a first time customer. All you do is show up to a 'burger consultant' who walks you to the nearest shop, then the shop gives them back $.50 for the referral. But the burger is really $5 normally. That's how weird it is.
Sorry for being 24
Of course on 2nd visits you can use any discount card a girl gives you. Use the card for the girl you like, or if the girl isn't there that day they profusely apologize but say you can keep the card (for next time) and they will honor the discounted rate. They repeatedly apologized to me but I'm like man it's all good I don't care just bring me 3 new girls aged 18-24. At Leicester one girl literally apologized for being 24 years old before hopping on me. I forgave her.
One of the 3 girls is usually just my type. I have heard Luxe has a lower success rate for hotties, maybe I love Japanese women so much because I liked every girl. If you don't like Japanese women, don't even go.
This is technically a "first time rate" but if things are slow the Manzoku staff will call the shop and say "May I introduce you to a customer? It's his 2nd time, is it okay?" (to get the promo rate). If you go 6pm-9pm on a weekday, it's probably a yes. They know which shops have Japanese-only (it was maybe 20% of shops so long as you speak Japanese, 70% if you don't) and what other weird race restrictions there are. Their main specialty is referring hostess clubs and oppai pubs, but there is a small section on the wall listing some fetish clubs where you can expect at least bj. Nobody in all of Japan can ever advertise fs, if someone does it's a shady shop and probably not Japanese run.
By the way, check out the Kabukicho Hentai Club web ad. At the bottom it says 'Teens-20s', WTF Japan. They don't give a damn, that's how they roll. But really, when they say 18-20, what they really mean is 20-35. We all know that already, right? Cool.
Navigating Kabukicho
Google street maps are very useful, but keep in mind they are often 2 years old so things change. Plus google photos are from daytime which looks totally different including things being shuttered. Luxe is not on the google street photos yet since they're from 2022. But from Manzoku you can actually see Luxe, it's 1 minute walk. Hosekinobako is like a 6 minute walk with a street crossing and the guy sucks his teeth lol. Nothing good comes easy. There are multiple Manzoku shops but to find this one I find the central Family Mart and it's really close. Manzoku is the shop with the giant black bat. A different shop photo (pink) was a 'English friendly' information booth but things change all the time. I saw it this year.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ib6koc4DajqdimHs5 Manoku information station.
I always remind people that fs (full sex) is not my thing, I go out of curiosity to compare with the USA. See my post in the Yokohama section for Kira Kira which is a good 'first time' experience cheap and you can then decide if you like it or not, low risk. Yokohama station is a 35 minute train ride from Shibuya. I think most people can come out of the experience saying they had fun and it was something very novel and reasonably priced. Others are happy to repeat. Some will 'level up' with other soapland or delivery health.
I still kind of prefer Kira Kira because they are cheap and the service is good. I can get cuter girls at oppai pubs later, maybe I'm weird but that's how I roll. Btw Kira Kira now has an English website for foreigners
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2963459 My new guide on Kira Kira
https://kirakira.eroticguide.tokyo/ Kira Kira foreigner portal
https://kirakira.yokohama/ Kira Kira Yokohama Japanese site. About 45 minutes from Shibuya by fastest train with a change in lines
Kira Kira soapland in Yokohama for beginners
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2927621 My first post on ISG in 20 years (since 2004)
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2927767 Yes, you can pick
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2927911 Yes, you can bang
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2928088 Yes, you can stay
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2928224 Yes, photos are real but real photos still fool
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2928007 The only thing I don't know
Let's show some love for other shops, both 'foreigner okay' and 'foreigner only'. I am only an expert on oppai pubs not fs, this list here is for your own research of places that other people had success at. For people that already graduated from 'Kira Kira' and want to level up.
https://amateurtokyo.com/ Tokyo Amateur Escorts
https://hentaitokyo.com/ Tokyo Hentai Club
https://gingira.jp/lang/en/index.html Gingira, girls generally young and photo accurate. Trash talking by request
https://escort-taitanic.com/ Taitanic Yokohama
https://luxe-shinjuku.jp/luxe-story/ Luxe Oppai pub, if you speak no Japanese and wonder what it's like to be Japanese..
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11-24-24 17:50 #13894Senior Member

Posts: 159Tokyo tips
You are legend, thanks a lot in advance.
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11-23-24 05:50 #13893Senior Member

Posts: 243Maybe I can help. I'm the same way, I only care about value. I can bang great jgirls in the USA now, at long last. All I need is to be able to speak English. Whereas the requirement in Japan was I should speak Japanese. If you were in the USA and could only speak Japanese, they would never let you see a jgirl. I know this for a fact. None of the direct shop staff speak a word of Japanese so they can't screen you for trouble, it's the same thing.
Originally Posted by RonnieMonger
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I only go to Japan for "everything else" besides fs. To be clear what that is, it's 80% of this list:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...66#post2946666
Japan is the best at most of that list. When you go to Japan, you order sushi not McDonald's. Order what they are good at, that's how you get good value. I also go to Japan for friends, sightseeing, food, and to meet jgirls I met working in the USA. Girls I know who are beautiful, really cool, and sexually compatible. A few work for the very foreigner-only shops mentioned, but I meet them by LINE not the shop. I would NOT go to Japan just for sex, but I think if you happen to be there on your way, makes sense to try something and get good value. I've gone to Japan 20 times in 20 years, my advice is to never go to non-Japanese establishments. No matter your language level.
Tokyo Hentai Club, GFE, and Tokyo Amateur are all examples of "foreigner only" services. They are newer. I've long commented about changing trends, way more shops are foreigner friendly than years ago. But it is still the minority. However there are now some places where most of the customers do not speak any Japanese. English, Chinese, and Korean are the three most common languages catered to. At Luxe oppai pub sometimes the majority were English speakers, I assume Americans or British. All races white, black, Asian foreigners.
My first post here on ISG was in 2004, 20 years ago. I said it back then and I say it now the same, never follow the touts especially the Nigerian ones. You may have missed the reason. Nigerian touts are notorious scammers who will take you to a bar and drug you if they think they can. Or scam you normally otherwise. The other Asian touts, many who are not Japanese, at least don't do this. But they do B+S and in any case their shops are no good. Just to be clear, this was my advice even when I could barely speak any Japanese, posting 20 years ago. Do not follow the touts. The best you can hope for is a tourist trap. Btw, this is the exact same reason you don't follow certain tuk-tuks in Thailand.
I did find a Chinese tout and at least he wasn't a scammer like the Nigerians. But 9 of the shops he took me to fucking sucked. Just like your experience. 1 of them was legit good. I wrote about this before. Not following RLD touts is literally the one and only thing I warn people not to do in Japan. I warned about it 20 years ago, I'm warning about it again now.
I had fun not speaking Japanese, getting into the few Japanese establishments I could. This was before places that actually catered to foreigners, like Tokyo Amateur or Luxe oppai pub. I got really great value for my money, an oppai pub was 10 times cheaper than a US strip club, and I could kiss the girls. Since I like Asians, they were way hotter to me. Important point, if you don't like Asians it's not a good value. The things I did in Japan I would not do in Thailand, but that's just my preference. I know most guys aren't into oppai pubs, they want FS. I have consistently and repeatedly said Japan is not great for FS as a travel destination. You can find 20 posts of mine explaining why, so I'm not going to repeat it all. But for those who are already in Japan, it makes sense and I like to help people and show them how to get the most value for it.
By the way, a Nigerian tout grabbed me hard by the arm as I walked past them. I was minding my own business walking Kabukicho and since it was late hours with no business one guy did just that in desperation. I yelled at him loudly to let me go and he did. I guess he is used to guys who just cave in and listen to his sales pitch like this, WTF. I was pretty surprised but later met and found other people this happened to. I also saw 4 Nigerian touts grab a woman's purse and run, 3 of them lookouts. In Roppongi I met plenty of nicer Nigerians, club bouncers and staff, perfect gentlemen. The crooks all work in Kabukicho apparently. I've written about all this before. You are safe if you just keep walking, especially before midnight.
To lighten the mood, here are some photos of Gingira Tokyo girls who have a big O next to 'international customer' meaning you and I can book them. Check the weekly schedule since girls don't work always. Things have changed since years back, now the majority of girls are O. Triangle means a maybe. X means they only take tiny dicks, so don't be jealous.
https://gingira.jp/lang/en/index.html
https://gingira.jp/gal.html
https://gingira.jp/movie/ALL
The girls randomly featured are: Aloha, Riria, Iroha, An, Ere, Riria, Reo, Seika. Feel free and visit them before I do and loosen them up, I will try to visit in Spring and clean up.
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11-22-24 00:31 #13892Senior Member

Posts: 70You're making several wrong assumptions.
I'm not afraid to spend money. But want to assure I'm getting "value" for my money. That was my point. And I'm not traveling 'half way around the world' to Japan just for sex or p4 p, I'm passing through on my way to guaranteed value for money elsewhere. This is a stopover. IMO it's gotten a bit better here for the average westerner over last 20 years, but it has a long way to go. It's still highly xenophobic in every day life. And the sex scene, while improving, is still run in the shadows for foreigners where as Japanese men have no such concerns and their SPs know to perform in every way to satisfy Japanese men. Nothing off the table. You mentioned a number of places I wasn't aware of before in your post below. Are these all open to westerners (who don't speak Japanese)? Or only places you and a few of your American Japanese friends manage to talk your way into?
Thanks.
RM.
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