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02-28-25 18:17 #17353Senior Member

Posts: 1751Oil-and-Gas tax breakes/loopholes, are all just "subsides" by a different name...
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008
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I see they got you gullible MAGA cultists, totally fooled! (...kkkk!) Which is not surprising, coming from the billionaire sympathizers, big oil and gas and big pharma billionaire apologists!
Originally Posted by Tiny 12
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As if lower taxes, tax credits, Master Limited Partnerships (MLPs, created specifically under the Internal Revenue Code Section 7704, for energy infrastructure, in the oil and gas sector) and other such tax loopholes, weren't made specifically for the oil-n-gas industry and are just really "subsides", by any other accounting another name. Call it what you want, it's all just lipstick on a pig!
Oil companies line up for billions of dollars in subsidies under US climate law
https://www.ft.com/content/28b3a8d9-...6-7b848b3fe700
Biden Cuts Fossil Subsidies, But Oil and Gas Still Lines Up for Billions
https://www.theenergymix.com/biden-c...-for-billions/
Biden budget targets U.S. fossil fuel subsidies
https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...es-2023-03-09/
And my favorite:
Fossil fuel subsidies are proving harder to end than first thought
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/14/10640...-first-thought
Those headlines say it all!
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02-28-25 17:28 #17352Senior Member

Posts: 1751The writing is still on the wall for U.S. legacy auto...
Not true, as many states have EV owners, paying an additional extra registration fees to cover roads/infrastructure. I long as EV owners, are paying for things they use, I don't imagine they'll be a problem.
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008
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It becomes problematic, if for example, EV owners as non-smokers were to pay a cigarette health smoking tax, when they don't smoke.
Originally Posted by Tiny 12
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Maybe I was intonating and hinting it was President Joe Biden. Well according to your earlier rants about the U.S. not being about to compete with China automotive manufacturing, due to wages being the single biggest issue, doesn't it now seem like it was the correct thing for Biden to do?
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008
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It remains to be seen, but the American Fuhrer's mere 25% tariff on EVs vs. Biden's 100% tariffs, may have a bigger and broader impact and implications, on not only on U.S. legacy auto manufacturers, but on the many auto adjacent industries as well. As 25% may not go far enough to protect MAGA's idea of "American Exceptionalism" and the flood of Chinese EVs.
FWIW, I still think, we should give China the opportunity, to come and employ Americans, compete with U.S. manufacturers, and build their vehicles in the states. Let's see if that MAGA "American exceptionalism" in auto manufacturing, can compete with Chinese auto manufacturers on home turf? At the very worst legacy auto may learn something!
You know, cause clearly, they haven't learnt much about building a good range of cheaper to quality EVs, from those partnerships in China!
W/R to the Fuhrer's 25% tariffs, I wouldn't put it past china, to flood the U.S. car market, even with a 25% tariff, by lowering the price of their cars, just so they can get market penetration. Which will be good for consumers, but what will U.S. legacy auto do?
So while some may scoff, at the IRA and the Great President Biden's masterful plan to make America competitive with China, it is still being herald and haled as a huge success.
Can't wait to see what mayhem, unfurls from the Fuhrer's 25% tariffs on Chinese EVs.
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02-28-25 17:17 #17351Senior Member

Posts: 4638Uh yeah, cutting federal spending and having a goal to balance the budget would bring down borrowing costs and inflation, and it is nice to see someone give cutting government costs something more than lip service.
Originally Posted by EihTooms
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Loony Tooms, I have gone over this before. If companies are raising earnings, the federal budget deficits are under control, and the market goes up, then you have a government presiding over a healthy economy. That was the case under the market boom with Clinton. With Obama, there was some earnings growth but the Fed and Obama administration were pushing money into the market. With Biden, market stimulus was at record levels.
So do not tell me how rich you are when you are buying all your shit with a credit card, and Biden was using the nation's credit card like a drunken meth snorting sailor.
And with Biden, we had record deficits and decades high inflation. The market currently is priced for less than 2% inflation and zero interest rates. The chances that anyone could push it higher is crazy. In fact, unless we see a balanced budget, inflation way down, and earnings up, all you are doing by pushing market prices higher is blowing a bubble.
Trump has been in office 5 weeks now. The only way you can get the market up in 5 weeks is through very unhealthy means which means using market prices to judge Trump now is patently unfair but what else is new? You have been blaming all these market issues on Trump before he even got into office.
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02-28-25 16:59 #17350Senior Member

Posts: 4638You mean people are pushing positive notions in a communist country without a free press. That is a shocker.
Originally Posted by Spidy
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You mean peak right? Well, we will see. If they have reached peak coal, that is only because they have built a ton more natural gas pipelines.
Originally Posted by Spidy
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This was listed in Google as 2019 and the Forbes article was listed as this year and said it was 10 years old. Anyway, Russian gas production is the same now as it was then and flaring is still a huge problem.
Originally Posted by Spidy
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oil companies tried that same bullshit with corn based ethanol saying it had a negative return of energy. If gas was $7 a gallon and ethanol was $2, that logic made no sense to me. The same goes with natural gas. You can see natural gas priced in gge, gallon of gasoline equivalent and natural gas is going for 99 cents in some places. http://www.cngprices.com/station_map.php.
Originally Posted by Spidy
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That is cheaper than electric in many if not most cases.
Oil companies do not spend on the natural gas pipelines much. They are typically bought / created by MLPs and you can buy shares of them on stock exchanges. Because they have such easy access to capital and a pipeline is among the safest investments there is, outside of some technical challenges, the ONLY real challenge is regulatory, and I can show you countless Democrat enviormentalists protesting oil and gas pipelines. Who shut down Keystone and why? Oh yeah, Nebraska water was at risk per the richest Nebraskan who is a Democrat and is moving all that energy via a train system he owns.
Originally Posted by Spidy
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Whenever you Democratic add in a MAGA hip check, it shows everyone how dumb you are. Carbon emissions went down under Trump and up under Biden. And the single greatest polluting event in years was Biden blowing up Nordstream and sending all that methane into the atmosphere.
Originally Posted by Spidy
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You Democratic douches spend all this federal money on green energy and then you blow up a pipeline. Of course, we know now thanks to DOGE that green energy was pure graft and about "throwing gold off the Titanic" as Democrats shoveled $20 billion into a bank for green energy before Trump took power. Stacy Abrams got $2 billion to continue to rig Georgia elections er for green energy and climate change even though she knows nothing about it.
I wonder Spidy when you say the USA is the biggest issue with carbon and not India or China if you are corrupt. How much of that $20 billion came into your pocket?
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02-28-25 14:34 #17349Senior Member

Posts: 6685Protect yo neck!
Smart traders and investors (like me) took their original investments out of the stock / crypto markets, booked some profit and I now sitting on cash as others are losing their SHIT cause they bought at the top of the market.
Originally Posted by Beno69
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We are witnessing history. We are going through a major financial disruption. You are going to witness the largest transfer of wealth from one demographic to another in the history of this Earth. It might be so bad as to create international financial slaves for the rest of my days here on Earth. I don't know. But I do know you need to protect yourself.
Time to buy is now gentlemen! Time to pack your go back is now gentleman! Time to build out your bug out location is now gentlemen. It's about to get ugly!
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02-28-25 13:11 #17348Senior Member

Posts: 290Check Charts BTC / Nividia / Tesla last 6 Month
Check Charts BTC / Nividia / Tesla last 6 Month.
Originally Posted by EihTooms
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Maybe this is better than go to courts against this gangster! It will kill him and Musk if this MAGA Stocks ruin many of his followers.
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02-28-25 05:47 #17347Senior Member

Posts: 1751USA Largest cities have a better AQI, but oil-and-gas flaring not so much...
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008
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Funny, how your article on air pollution/quality index (AQI), is like 10 years old. BTW, I was only comparing the largest cities.
Originally Posted by Tiny
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Annoyingly, any current and/or up-to-date AQI informational comparisons (in 2023/2024) of current AQI, in China's larger cities, is unavailable and or very spotty at best. However, most older data points, do indicate that Beijing vs. New York, for example, had NY's AQI, as being 3x better. But oddly had Beijing on par with NY for noise pollution...go figure!
So, while I was incorrect in my opinions on China's air quality, it is interesting to note, that many journalists and video bloggers with boots-on-the-ground, on recent 2024/2025 scouting trips to China's largest cities (Beijing, Chongqing, Shanghai, Shenzhen), swear up and down, they feel the air/noise quality and pollution is cleaner and better than back home...go figure!
If China has reached peek coal (in 2024), the AQI might be is something worth watching, if my assumption of this inverse correlation, makes any sense?
On the contrary, you fail to even understand the point I was making and your 32 year old article, only serves to prove my point.
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008
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Again, allow me to reiterate, that the production, transmission, storage and consumption of fossil fuels, has the majority of it, being burnt off as waste heat, and is the very definition of INEFFICIENT and can't compete with ELECTRICITY. Take for example, something like 60-65% of an ICE vehicle's fuel, is burnt off, as waste heat and/or CO2 emissions, in the operation of the vehicle.
If you didn't understand, I was actually talking about the myriad of ways fossil fuel waste heat energy is lost, when getting fossil fuels from "the ground" at point A, to "the consumption" use case end point B. But I think, a thank you is in order, as your 32 year news piece, ONLY make mys point, w/r to just how inefficient the industry is...so "Thank You!" for that!
When natural gas is produced as a byproduct of oil drilling, it is called associated gas. In the U.S., the percentage of natural gas that is associated gas, varies by region and over time, and is only estimated to be around 30-40% of total natural gas production.
Yes, flaring is a waste of energy resources and a major climate issue. So while not perfect and a VERY INEFFICIENT use of resources, it persists due to economic, technical, and regulatory challenges. The reducing of flaring, does however, require the oil companies to have better infrastructure and spend the capital (if they truly wanted to), in order to capture any or more associated gas for use, instead of flaring it.
Just don't rant and appeal to your illogical MAGA gullible sensibilities, and tell me flaring releases CO2, which is better than methane...(...kkkk!)
Don't worry about China, like Norway, their decarbonization efforts are are doing just fine, and I'll be sure to revisit that AQI challenge, in several years from now. Although, I think India has a long way to go, its the U.S. decarbonization efforts you should be concerned and worried about...under your American Fuhrer, it's a fucking DISASTER!
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02-28-25 03:07 #17346Senior Member

Posts: 25843Who told Zelensky is a dictator? When Putin is. Trump friends are criminal Netanyahou and Putin, both international law prosecuted.
Originally Posted by SubCmdr
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02-27-25 22:53 #17345Senior Member

Posts: 7458For the sake of USA Stock Market investors, Trump must stop talking.
See chart below for the typical stock market decline today as Trump was stationed in front of a microphone talking, talking, talking, blathering and slobbering out one embarrassing lie after another, a colossal lie about how terrible the Biden and Obama economies were vs his "greatest economy in the history of the world", a shockingly stupid lie about who pays tariffs, an array of bewildering, incoherent lies about what is happening under Trump's current spectacular mishandling of the Envy of the World Economy he inherited from Biden-Harris and on and on.
Stock Market due diligence simply does not include falling for the same blithering, blathering, incoherent lies that MAGAs slurp up with a big spoon in a determination to do as much serious harm to themselves and everyone else as possible.
To re-cap on the state of the USA Stock Market as measured by the S&P 500 Index for market watchers like Trump used to be back when he was far more shrewdly simply coasting on the terrific economic trajectories he inherited from Obama-Biden and not DOING anything to effect the economy:
It is up a mere 1. 35% since the November 5th election almost 4 months ago.
It is DOWN 2. 25% since Trump's Inauguration day about 6 weeks ago.
Seriously, has Trump said or done anything in the past 3-4 months that would inspire a serious investor, home purchaser, entrepreneur or "job creator" to invest in anything, buy anything, expand a business or hire rather than fire anyone? Much less to fly anywhere.
And speaking of flying anywhere; That is also unless the prospect of a Trump's Pandemic Part 2 combination of drug-resistant HIV / AIDS, Ebola and Child-Killing Measles works to inspire such a thing.
Again, otherwise known by MAGAs and their Russian bot script-writers as, "The Greatest First Month in the History of Presidential Terms".
Uh-huh.
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02-27-25 21:23 #17344Senior Member

Posts: 7458Of course, Trump hates Zellenskyy because he is NOT a dictator
You are right.
Originally Posted by SubCmdr
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This just in:
Trump the Cowardly Liar back-pedals like a big, fat, lying clown pussy on him calling Zellenskyy a dictator when confronted about it by his own hand-picked, utterly compliant and subservient Nazi Dictator-style press corp:
Donald Trump Denies Calling Volodymyr Zelenskyy A 'Dictator' Days After Calling Him A 'Dictator'.
Feb. 27, 2025
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/donald-tru...BaEvSqCX5GQcgc
See video in the link.Donald Trump has denied calling Volodymyr Zelenskyy a dictator - barely a week after calling him a dictator.
The US president stunned reporters with the bare-faced lie as he sat alongside Keir Starmer in the White House.
Trump attacked Zelenskyy in a tirade on his Truth Social account last week.
He said: He refuses to have Elections, is very low in Ukrainian Polls, and the only thing he was good at was playing Biden like a fiddle. A Dictator without Elections, Zelenskyy better move fast or he is not going to have a Country left.
But asked by a reporter in the Oval Office if he still thinks Zelenskyy is a dictator, Trump replied: "Did I say that? I cant believe I said that. Next question."
But the far more important question is; now that his America-hating lord and savior cult leader has so publicly back-pedaled on his huge lie, will Elvis follow suit as slavishly lemming-like as he follows his America-hating cult leader Trump on every other point?
Or, more realistically, when will Elvis follow his previous lie about this with an even bigger lie that "he can't believe he said that" just as his America-hating, dictator-loving cult leader Donald Trump did?
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02-27-25 15:31 #17343Senior Member

Posts: 4638Man, it must be hard being a Democratic douche these days. Here you are pouncing on RFK Jr. A Democrat and being supportive of big Pharma over, wait for it!, one death. Fuck the millions who were harmed by the Covid vaccine and the potential tie in with vaccines and autism and the millions of Americans suffering from that and the explosion of auto immune diseases among the American people. And of course in the binary Toomsian world of Republican bad, Democrat good, we now have the repeat of the idiotic vaccines good, antivaxx bad.
Originally Posted by EihTooms
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Are you ready to repeat the bird brained mantra with regards to vaccines and withholding treatment that you did with Covid? Yeah, let's withhold medical treatment from the unvaccinated! Let sick people die! That will teach them!
In actuality, measles is probably the one vaccine along with polio that probably should be mandatory. And some of the more astute doctors are thinking about making that stand alone instead of mixing it in with mumps and rubella. The MMR vaccine has been the only studied and found NOT to be linked with autism.
It is fucking insane as to how many vaccines are being given to kids, https://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt...ation-schedule, and the vaccines still have aluminum in them. Yes, we took out the mercury but we added a new poison.
"It's not safe to delay vaccines or to follow another schedule you might find online or through friends. The vaccine schedule that pediatricians across the USA Use (which we describe here) has the backing of careful medical science. ".
Of course, we heard the same bullshit with Covid.
And RFK Jr. Is the Democrat who ran for the 2024 nomination and had to quit once he saw how rigged the primaries were and how your party chose the guy without the working brain. That was a great job there and after you realized Biden was demented, you all chose the woman who was not demented but just really dumb. It would seem impossible to have a candidate with less mental capacity than Biden, but somehow you all managed to pull it off.
The problem with being a modern Democratic douche is you have no principles. Trump is on the verge of peace in Ukraine, and there is all this griping. He gets back the hostages held in Gaza and all we hear about is how terrible his plan is for Gaza. Then you have the climate change weirdos freaking out about cars in the USA while India and China are polluting like hell, and Russia has been forced to burn off more gas than ever after Biden blew up Nordstream. Hell, when Trump and Musk tackle the deficit and try to see that the USA does not go into default, Democrats are like, We want waste! We want default! We want vaccines! We love big pharma! We love censorship! We love the deep state! We love war! And fuck those children with autism and autoimmune diseases!
How long can the Democratic douches hold on? The defections have been ongoing: RFK Jr. , Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Mark Anderson, Matt Taibbi, Walter Kirn, Glenn Greenwald to name a few. And what is the derogatory term for these people who looked at the pro vaccine, pro censorship, pro deep state, pro big pharma, and anti Democracy methods of the current Democratic party? Ah yes, they are bothsiders. Elections? We do not need no stinkin' elections.
Man, it is getting harder than ever to be a Democrat. I almost, almost feel sorry for you guys.
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02-27-25 06:58 #17342Senior Member

Posts: 2683The least popular president in 70 years
The 45% approval rate from two independent polls.
57% say he's exceeded his authority.
A whopping 34% approval for Musk with only 26% approving his massacre of the government programs.
63% don't like his "marauders" having access to government databases.
I'm starting seeing jail sentences in some people futures. Perhaps, not Trump's and Musk's, as our justice system seems to be decisively impotent in front of the rich and powerful, but some of their lesser minions are going to get quite a hungover after the feast. Just wait.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...on/ar-AA1zOER0
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02-27-25 04:57 #17341Senior Member

Posts: 25843China despite their EVs and USA are 2 biggest polluting, fucking our planet, and crazy Trump wants to increase pollution, just criminal, killing people from bad air, hurricanes, fires, rivers, sea.
Originally Posted by Tiny12
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02-27-25 03:13 #17340Senior Member

Posts: 7458Not unusual, nothing to see here, folks. According to RFK Jr.
At times like these, it is always best to have a blithering, incoherent known goofball conspiracy theory liar appointed by a blithering incoherent 30,000 plus documented liar of a so-called potus in charge:
Texas child who was not vaccinated has died of measles, a first for the US in a decade.
https://apnews.com/article/measles-o...b2677480031ab9
So, while he was he wrong about there being two reported deaths instead of one, he was therefore trying to shrug off TWO deaths in a decade as "not unusual".LUBBOCK, Texas (AP) A child who wasnt vaccinated died in a measles outbreak in rural West Texas, state officials said Wednesday, the first U.S. death from the highly contagious but preventable respiratory disease since 2015.
The school-aged child had been hospitalized and died Tuesday night amid the widespread outbreak, Texas largest in nearly 30 years. Since it began last month, a rash of 124 cases has erupted across nine counties.
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In federal response, RFK Jr. appears to misstate several facts
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the nations top health official and a vaccine critic, said Wednesday that the U.S. Department of the Health and Human Services is watching cases and dismissed the Texas outbreak as not unusual.
He appeared to misstate a number of facts, including a claim that most who had been hospitalized were there only for quarantine. Dr. Lara Johnson at Covenant contested that characterization.
We dont hospitalize patients for quarantine purposes, said Johnson, the chief medical officer.
Kennedy also seemed to misspeak in saying two people had died of measles. A spokesman Andrew Nixon, for the Department of Health and Human Services later clarified that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has identified only one death.
Be prepared for the worst, most incoherent communications imaginable about whatever Trump's Pandemic Part 2 he is again pulling all the stops to lay the groundwork for in order to usher in and, consequently, is quite likely to occur sometime over the next four years.
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02-27-25 03:06 #17339Senior Member

Posts: 6685If the President of Ukraine is truly a dictator, when why does't Trump like him?
There are plenty of examples in the world of dictators that Trump likes!








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