Tokyo

[Traveler X]

Anyway, that was a very longwinded way of saying, even if people doing this doesn't make sense to you, they wouldn't be doing it if it didn't make sense to them.

Yes, I figure if people are going to do something anyways I might as well give them info on improving their success rate and staying safe. Delivery Health for example is very sought after, so the best intel is which shops are better on average. How to navigate the system, how to negotiate with the girl. Other tips like maybe getting the girl's LINE if she was amazing so you can repeat her again.

Thank you!!

I am not trying to stretch my dollar. Just checking a box when it comes to soapland and opal clubs. I can get really cute Japanese in Vancouver for $300 per hour.

I think the same, we want to see something special that each country has to offer. It's why I go to Japan and order sushi rather than Western food. So same as you, I can bang jgirls and kgirls at home. But soapland and oppai pubs are something different. As many others have said, look good and smell good. Getting in the door is what mattered to me, once a shop let me in I was treated exactly the same as others. Which is very well at most Japanese shops. Once in, your behavior is more important than your race.

Lucky for us that are in major cities with jgirls and kgirls. There are guides.

[Runon99]

IDK anything about that pal.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...eign-visitors/
Japan supposedly has some of the toughest prisons in the world. Even legendary bad ass Chuck Zito was admittedly reduced to tears when he was locked up over here.
I wouldn't risk illegal activity in a place where the same activity is totally legal. IDK man, that's weird to me.
Best of luck.

This is 100% the problem.
See here: https://www.reddit.com/r/japannews/c..._of/?rdt=51518.
Why would anyone risk anything like this in a land of 10000 legal brothels?

It should go without saying, but anyone who thinks it's possible they might end up in a JAPANESE PRISON for soliciting a street prostitute in Kabukicho or anywhere else in Japan absolutely shouldn't engage in such behavior. Who needs that kind of stress? I would suggest that you not consider it under those conditions even if you weren't my pal.

As per Traveler X's replies, neither of your links are applicable to the question of why anyone would engage in this activity with girls who aren't underage. Of course, some of the girls standing on those streets ARE underage, and that does make the activity riskier, so there is a separate legal and moral component to that aspect of the question. There are undoubtedly some customers who don't care if the girl is underage or actually prefer it, but it's something to be mindful of for everyone else considering this.

When you wrote "what's the benefit of it" in your original post, I didn't consider that it was a rhetorical question suggesting that there can't be any benefit; I took it as a sincere inquiry, so I'm going to proceed as if that was the case. So your question basically was, why would foreign tourists do this at all when there are so many completely legal options? I gave a few reasons why off the top of my head. A couple of them were tongue in cheek, but it should be obvious which weren't. But let's apply some deeper reasoning to this question.

First, this marketplace wouldn't endure if there wasn't a demand for it; without customers, the girls wouldn't be there. Second, I don't know this for a fact, but I bet that the vast majority of the customers aren't foreign tourists but are Japanese locals. Your question was about the foreigners, not the Japanese, but let's ask, what's the difference between the foreign tourists doing this and the Japanese locals? Well, the difference is this: the foreign tourists, especially those who don't speak Japanese, have plenty of legal options, especially if they do their research, but they're still a tiny fraction of the options that the Japanese locals have. Foreign tourists can get into _ of places, with that number being small, while Japanese locals can get into 100% of places.

So if the original question was, what's the benefit to foreign tourists with many legal options, you could also ask, what's the benefit to Japanese locals who have an exponentially greater number of options? What makes it worth the risk for them? And the answer is twofold: first, the premise is faulty; if they aren't doing this with underage girls, the risk is minimal. And second, they must think they're getting benefits they don't easily get with other options. Some of those benefits were in the list I came up with and there are probably others I haven't thought of. But the fact that there are customers, foreign and Japanese alike, should tell you that they have reasons to do it. Maybe not all GOOD reasons, since we can't assume everyone is acting rationally when they're seeking sex on the street, but reasons nonetheless.

Anyway, that was a very longwinded way of saying, even if people doing this doesn't make sense to you, they wouldn't be doing it if it didn't make sense to them.

And just to be completely clear, I am not advocating for anyone to go to Kabukicho and pick up one of these girls. I have zero experience doing it (my one experience sort of similar was still different enough that I don't think it's very relevant) and, weighing the pros and cons, would probably not bother with it. So there you go, in the end there's some common ground.

[Aaragon2022]

No issues for Indians. I am Indian lived in Tokyo for more than 8 months. Just make sure you choose girl who can speak little English and ok with foreigner.

Don't be pushy for any service. Since you only have 1 day, things might not be so smooth. I had found many girls will be shy first 2-3 times and they open up after that. I had great experiences in Tokyo, Osaka but had to meet the same girl multiple times to get good service.

Thank you!!

I am not trying to stretch my dollar. Just checking a box when it comes to soapland and opal clubs. I can get really cute Japanese in Vancouver for $300 per hour.

[Traveler X]

I met an Indian in the waiting room at Casanova soapland one time. He told me he was a regular there, and even recommended a girl who did the best mat play for future visits! He had a British accent, didn't ask where he grew up.

To add to this, the first other customer I saw at Luxe was black.

When I could speak almost no Japanese (3 months), 80% of shops rejected me and 20% let me in. Now, 80% let me in. My Japanese American friend who could speak better Japanese could get into 90%, but 10% still rejected him - a few very high end places. It's not really about race but language, following rules, and risk. One reason I use Manzoku is they vouch for me speaking Japanese when they call the shop. There is no hesitation or issue at all in dealing with the shop.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2974479 GFE Soapland accepts all races including black
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2974492 Luxe accepts all races including black

I went on website of Gingira as it seems to be in Shinjuku. It is weird explanation of services. Seems like it's a soapland onj the one hand but it also has some sections that imply it's more of an OPPAI? Very confusing?

Gingira is a delivery health. It's like Domino's Pizza delivery to a hotel room. Beginners may do better with soaplands where you can just walk in. Gingira is "for Japanese but foreigner okay", which is one factor why it's not reviewed here. But I have seen their girls and know they work there (I saw them at a different shop). Whereas shops that are "for foreigners" are going to have a lot more of us visiting them and then more reviews.

[Rick Rock]

I met an Indian in the waiting room at Casanova soapland one time. He told me he was a regular there, and even recommended a girl who did the best mat play for future visits! He had a British accent, didn't ask where he grew up.

[Pk099]

No issues for Indians. I am Indian lived in Tokyo for more than 8 months. Just make sure you choose girl who can speak little English and ok with foreigner.

Don't be pushy for any service. Since you only have 1 day, things might not be so smooth. I had found many girls will be shy first 2-3 times and they open up after that. I had great experiences in Tokyo, Osaka but had to meet the same girl multiple times to get good service.

I am a darker Indian guy who has lived in the States for 20 years, I work in consulting and am tall and fit. I have mongered in Brazil, Colombia, US, Canada, UK, Netherlands, Dubai and Germany. I have always liked asian girls and have fucked a couple both here in the US and Canada. I prefer going the Sugar baby route now as plain P4 P does not interest me anymore.

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[CCRider1008]

To that end, here is a list of some shops. Since these shops are all mentioned on this thread, you can do a search of their name or website to find reports on them.

DH

https://gingira.jp/lang/en/index.html Gingira - "for Japanese but foreigner okay"

I went on website of Gingira as it seems to be in Shinjuko. It is weird explanation of services. Seems like it's a soapland onj the one hand but it also has some sections that imply it's more of an OPPAI? Very confusing?

I know O means "yes" and X means "no". Some girls don't take foreigner. In search area they have option "Japanese O" and "Japanese X" to signify which girls take foreigners. Seems ass backward. Should say "foreigner O" or "foreigner X" shouldn't it?

I haven't seen this place reviewed (maybe I missed). But I'm tempted since it's where I'm staying. Thoughts?

[CCRider1008]

Just don't tip, it's not a thing. It will lead to confusion more than anything at a normal establishment. Giving back exact change to customers is also very important in Japan. Certainly, you can find unusual exceptions such as shop run by foreigners or that deal with mostly foreigners. But that is unusual and you should not tip in Japan. There is nothing more to it.

In addition to many shops listed on this thread, you can research through Japanese run sites like Yoasobi. Yoasobi is simply the foreigner friendly portal of Cityheaven. With all the options listed, I've never needed help from others in 20 years, all I needed was help at the very beginning. It's why the guides I write focus on the basics. When possible, I prefer shops that are "for Japanese but foreigner okay" since that cuts down a lot on B+S and other service issues like GPS. Japanese customers have high standards on average. But I get that other people like the convenience of "English okay" and "for foreigner" services. There is a comfort in knowing the girls are used to foreigners, but it's not necessary - I got good service even when I was the only foreigner. The for Japanese shops as a rule are going to be better if you can get them.

Thanks Traveler. I'm not going to complain about not tipping. In fact it's a welcome change from the expected tip attitude in the USA. Maybe AT advice of showing up with little box of chocolate is a good way to get off to a good start.

I will check out the site you mentioned and cityheaven once I change my vpn setting to Japan. I think I have my game plan for the trip in a few weeks based on the advice from you, AT and RR.

[VonSauer]

I am a darker Indian guy who has lived in the States for 20 years, I work in consulting and am tall and fit. I have mongered in Brazil, Colombia, US, Canada, UK, Netherlands, Dubai and Germany. I have always liked asian girls and have fucked a couple both here in the US and Canada. I prefer going the Sugar baby route now as plain P4 P does not interest me anymore.

I am traveling back to India in May and I decided to stop over in Tokyo and Bangkok for 1 day each on my way to India. I have read a couple of pages of this thread and noticed ATXguy and Traveler saying some clubs did not allow them to enter. ATXguy even mentioned how he cannot imagine the discrimination for Black, Indians and Middle Easterners. Even in the Sugar world I have come across some Asians here in the US and Canada who don't want to even meet when they realize I am brown guy.

I have always wanted to experience the Oppai Clubs and Soaplands. Couple of names I have seen on this thread are Luxe and Leicester. Based on some other comments, It seems like I should not even try going into these clubs. Are there other Oppai clubs where they have allowed Indians? Also, do THC and soaplands like Kira Kira and GFE Soapland allow Indians?

I just don't want to do DH without knowing for sure I will get FS. Thanks in advance. I am happy to answer questions on the countries I listed above.

I wouldn t bother stopping in Tokyo if I were you. It is very likely that you will get turned down everywhere and the few cases you might get serviced are most likely to be bad experiences with low tier girls who might not even be Japanese.

[Aaragon2022]

I am a darker Indian guy who has lived in the States for 20 years, I work in consulting and am tall and fit. I have mongered in Brazil, Colombia, US, Canada, UK, Netherlands, Dubai and Germany. I have always liked asian girls and have fucked a couple both here in the US and Canada. I prefer going the Sugar baby route now as plain P4 P does not interest me anymore.

I am traveling back to India in May and I decided to stop over in Tokyo and Bangkok for 1 day each on my way to India. I have read a couple of pages of this thread and noticed ATXguy and Traveler saying some clubs did not allow them to enter. ATXguy even mentioned how he cannot imagine the discrimination for Black, Indians and Middle Easterners. Even in the Sugar world I have come across some Asians here in the US and Canada who don't want to even meet when they realize I am brown guy.

I have always wanted to experience the Oppai Clubs and Soaplands. Couple of names I have seen on this thread are Luxe and Leicester. Based on some other comments, It seems like I should not even try going into these clubs. Are there other Oppai clubs where they have allowed Indians? Also, do THC and soaplands like Kira Kira and GFE Soapland allow Indians?

I just don't want to do DH without knowing for sure I will get FS. Thanks in advance. I am happy to answer questions on the countries I listed above.

[Traveler X]

I've read that tipping in Japan may actually show disrespect. Is this really accurate? Certainly not complaining if it is but I need to then curb my tipping because I do so without thinking out of habit if service good.

Just don't tip, it's not a thing. It will lead to confusion more than anything at a normal establishment. Giving back exact change to customers is also very important in Japan. Certainly, you can find unusual exceptions such as shop run by foreigners or that deal with mostly foreigners. But that is unusual and you should not tip in Japan. There is nothing more to it.

There are other websites that have reviews, but I don't use them anymore. Even when other reviewers are honest, they usually don't share my taste or standards in women. Rather, I find shops I like and just keep using them. Same way I keep using Manzoku to get into shops, because I know Manzoku lists legit shops and is professional and knowledgeable about each one. If I want looks, I go oppai pubs. If I want service and convenience, I go Kira Kira. I understand other guys are looking for more, so they use DH. Whereas in my case jgirls fly all the way to the US and I can bang them back home.

In addition to many shops listed on this thread, you can research through Japanese run sites like Yoasobi. Yoasobi is simply the foreigner friendly portal of Cityheaven. With all the options listed, I've never needed help from others in 20 years, all I needed was help at the very beginning. It's why the guides I write focus on the basics. When possible, I prefer shops that are "for Japanese but foreigner okay" since that cuts down a lot on B+S and other service issues like GPS. Japanese customers have high standards on average. But I get that other people like the convenience of "English okay" and "for foreigner" services. There is a comfort in knowing the girls are used to foreigners, but it's not necessary - I got good service even when I was the only foreigner. The for Japanese shops as a rule are going to be better if you can get them.

To that end, here is a list of some shops. Since these shops are all mentioned on this thread, you can do a search of their name or website to find reports on them.

DH
https://amateurtokyo.com/ Tokyo Amateur Escorts
https://hentaitokyo.com/ Tokyo Hentai Club
https://escort-taitanic.com/ Taitanic Yokohama
https://gingira.jp/lang/en/index.html Gingira - "for Japanese but foreigner okay"

Soaplands
https://kirakira.eroticguide.tokyo/ Kira Kira - "for Japanese but 100% foreigner okay"
https://barubola.com/en/ Barubola

Oppai Pubs
https://luxe-shinjuku.jp/ Luxe website
https://www.cabaseku.jp/kanto/kabukichou/shop/1537/ Leicester, if you know some Japanese
https://www.hosekibako-shinjuku.com/ Hosekinobako, if you know some Japanese

Reports about various shops
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2983139 Booking by LINE for Etoile in Tokyo, Yoshiwara
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2964542 Oppai pub guide
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2979345 Sayuri Ran Thai Massage
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2979332 Janjan bj just close your eyes
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2980818 Tokyo Amateur Escort
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2980193 GFE Soapland Kawasaki
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2981608 Robo deli
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2982421 Casanova Soapland Yoshiwara

[CCRider1008]

I got her sent over from this place called Japanese Girls Massage Bamboo Forest. If it wasn't for reviews, I would have no idea. The website just looks like a regular massage business, and it even says "no sexual activity. " It might just depend on your lucky but I had a great appointment here with a 27 year old beauty who made me shoot a ton of nut.

We chatted a little more as I showered again and she cleaned up. Unlike America, I was never upsold or asked for a tip. Once I was clean she rubbed my head until timer went off. Then she said her goodbyes and disappeared into the hotel hallway.

One of the best massages I ever had. For 20000 Yen less than I pay at home from an older woman who speaks no English. No wonder you guys love Japan!

How was the actual massage? After 17 hours flying from USA then another 6 hours BKK to Japan I will need a decent massage. If a HJ from a pretty girl goes along with it all the better.

What board or website did you look at for reviews? The message website itself doesn't have much of anything and those are usually BS anyway.

I've read that tipping in Japan may actually show disrespect. Is this really accurate? Certainly not complaining if it is but I need to then curb my tipping because I do so without thinking out of habit if service good.

[CCRider1008]

IDK anything about that pal.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...eign-visitors/

Japan supposedly has some of the toughest prisons in the world. Even legendary bad ass Chuck Zito was admittedly reduced to tears when he was locked up over here.

I wouldn't risk illegal activity in a place where the same activity is totally legal. IDK man, that's weird to me.

Best of luck.

From what I read it's usually the street hooker and not the client under the prostitution law. But why take the risk to your point? Japanese prisons are sick from what I see on TV and their presumption of guilt is completely messed up. Plus, the fact you're dealing with a lot more scam artists on the street. Better to listen to the bros here, research and read girl reviews, and try to narrow down mediocre service.

[JackieMarlo]

In Japan however, there is no punishment for Johns. That's just the law, it's not some loophole or gray area. It's certainly not the only country like that. The only punishment you will hear of is for those engaged with minors, for which a separate special law exists to protect minors. Don't do that.

This is 100% the problem.

See here: https://www.reddit.com/r/japannews/c..._of/?rdt=51518.

Why would anyone risk anything like this in a land of 10000 legal brothels?

[Traveler X]

And just to show how YMMV this can be, I have had several TAE girls bring it up with me first!

Like he said, really this is just a place to let things happen and see where they go. That leads to the best experiences for sure!

This is the way.

IDK anything about that pal.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...eign-visitors/

They arrested brothel operators, the staff. That is illegal. In particular this one was Kabukicho which is known for aggressive touts.

In Japan however, there is no punishment for Johns. That's just the law, it's not some loophole or gray area. It's certainly not the only country like that. The only punishment you will hear of is for those engaged with minors, for which a separate special law exists to protect minors. Don't do that.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2968569 Japan Legal situation
https://youtu.be/oyn-qEYUn68?t=1307 Delivery Health worker answers 98% of your questions
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2970736 Legal age 18, drinking age 20

All the while she would make kind of sexual jokes or accidentally bump my nuts. I read reviews so I kinda expected it. Finally she reached down and just started working my dick and balls. With her sof hands and the warm lotion it felt really amazing. She had me turn over when I was totally hard. Then she slid up her dress and got down to really beating me off. What a master! It was really erotic and I could feel the orgasm building until I finally closed my eyes and let it all out. She seemed really pleased with herself for getting me to cum so much.

We chatted a little more as I showered again and she cleaned up. Unlike America, I was never upsold or asked for a tip. Once I was clean she rubbed my head until timer went off. Then she said her goodbyes and disappeared into the hotel hallway.

One of the best massages I ever had. For 20000 Yen less than I pay at home from an older woman who speaks no English. No wonder you guys love Japan!

Awesome to hear. HJs and "health" massages are perfectly legal in Japan. They can even openly advertise them, but when a place doesn't it lets the girl be ymmv in case of rare guys she's not comfortable with. See both the DH youtube interview in the above link, or my own interview in the below link with a DH girl. At DH, girls can choose who they bang. Whereas at soap, they have to bang. In the same way, with sensual massage the girls can choose who they HJ or more with. You generally get it, and on the upside the girls are more often very skilled and decent looking if not great. Thanks for your report.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2979529 DH negotiation for fs