American Politics

[EihTooms]

How many times have I replied to this? RTF. You ignore Congress, wars, a pandemic, oil price shocks, the business cycle, what's happening in other countries, Fed policy, the effects of globalization and technology on the economy, and the effects of policies that extend past presidential terms. You look only at what party the president belongs to. Republicans may have fucked up around the time of Hoover, close to 100 years ago, but since it's been the luck of the draw. The president doesn't have much effect on GDP growth or employment during his term compared to other factors.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know; luck of the draw, wild 100 years' long coincidences, crazy economic cycle that hates Repub presidents and loves Dem presidents, Witch's Curse on Repubs, etc, etc, etc.

Tell that to President Defund and Remove the Pandemic Prevention team leaders from those Chinese labs contrary to all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid.

Or is it President Blather on and on about imposing 25%-200% tariffs on our closest and best trading partners.

Or how about President Cut Taxes for Corporatons supposedly to "stimulate" the economy, create jobs and drive up GDP Growth to 3% annually, 4%, 5% maybe 6% even when the CEOs it benefited the most assured him they had no intention of doing any such thing with that windfall money and, sure enough, they were right.

Just luck of the draw. Shit happens. Any President following Obama from 2017 to 2021 would have been ranked The Worst President in USA History with the Worst Jobs Creation Since Herbert Hoover.

It was simply destined to happen to whoever won in 2016 because, hey, what about Congress, the guy who delivers coffee to the BLS Offices, Melania's latest hairstyle, oh so many other critical factors.

[Xpartan]

Chris Hayes is full of shit about half the time. He's spot on here though. One correction, the wholesale price of champagne would go up 3 X, not 2 X, showing again that math is not Democrats' strong suit.

Lutnick may have drunk the Kool Aid. Shame on Scott Bessent, he knows better.

If he's spot on here, what exactly are you complaining about? That Trump's minions don't keep their pieholes shut? Or that Trump's tariffs will hit Americans even harder than Chris suggests?

Can you (begrudgingly, of course) drop your doubletalk and finally admit that Trump is simply catastrophic for the US economy?

[Tiny 12]

So now we can add Obama's historic recovery from the likewise historic GW Bush's Great Repub Recession, Economic Disaster and Massive Jobs Destruction to FDR's historic recovery from Coolidge / Hoover's Great Repub Depression, Economic Disaster and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction and Biden's historic recovery from Trump's Great Repub Economic Disaster, Repub Recession and Massive Repub Job Desstruction to your list of "nothing big or important" Winger Selective Amnesia symptoms. LOL.

Which is it that triggers this classic Winger Selective Amnesia in you? Is it the fact that every one of those classic Repub Supply-Side / Trickle-Down policies RESULTED in predictable Great Repub Depressions / Great Repub Recessions, Economic Disasters and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction or the classic Dem Recoveries, Expansions and Historic Job Gains that followed? Both?

How many times have I replied to this? RTF. You ignore Congress, wars, a pandemic, oil price shocks, the business cycle, what's happening in other countries, Fed policy, the effects of globalization and technology on the economy, and the effects of policies that extend past presidential terms. You look only at what party the president belongs to. Republicans may have fucked up around the time of Hoover, close to 100 years ago, but since it's been the luck of the draw. The president doesn't have much effect on GDP growth or employment during his term compared to other factors.

[Tiny 12]

They are just going with what they were fed in the media about it at the time.

The same way they to this day think one of the best Presidents of all time, Joe Biden, "didn't know who he is, where he is or what he is doing". LOL. They are slaves to whatever spin the MSM feeds them without opening their eyes and ears to what is clearly and easily observable as well as fully reported if they take the time to focus on it beyond the spin.

The idea that a president is supposed to be ushing into the Oval Office the latest movie star hottie to fuck and suck him without worry about it leaking into the headlines is the stuff of the old Pentouse Forum articles aimed at a 14 year old boy mindset.

Especially a President like Bill Clinton who had to fend off Nude Grinbitch's constant Repub attempts to thwart and reverse the Great Dem / Clinton Economic Recovery from 12 years of Reagan / Bush mismanagement and skyrocketing debt and deficits. A recovery that began a year before Grinbitch and his Repubs took control of Congress and with historic economic legislation in 1993 that did not get a single Reoub vote.

So Clinton was supposedly somehow a sexual slacker for not making sure a hotter intern than a 21 year old Monica Lewinsky had reason to go in and of the Oval Office throughout the day without raising alarm and occasionally give him a free blowjob, is it?

LOL. Yeah. Right.

For goodness sake! It's a joke Tooms. We've established that I would fuck a donkey. Monica Lewinsky is a step up from a donkey.

[Tiny 12]

I don't normally post quotes without my own comments, but seriously, there is just nothing to add, it's so good.

Angry and erratic: Trump Cabinet official admits the president is acting on emotion

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...on/ar-AA1AWBpO

Chris Hayes is full of shit about half the time. He's spot on here though. One correction, the wholesale price of champagne would go up 3 X, not 2 X, showing again that math is not Democrats' strong suit.

Lutnick may have drunk the Kool Aid. Shame on Scott Bessent, he knows better.

[Tiny 12]

Typically pro Repub Mainstream Media's over-the-top Repub-enabling collective gasp over Biden's minor vocal tick at a debate did its intended job of terrifying big money donors into forcing Biden out of a race he would have won. Again. In a debate that 30% of the viewers thought Biden won compared to 20% thinking Obama won against Romney in 2012, BTW.

At that point, with 100 days left, the campaign money could only go to Harris.

And, given she was up against Trump's 7 solid years of constant campaigning for his 2nd term election when he wasn't playing golf, racking up record high deficits with nothing to show for it, happily presiding over a genuine USA Combat War in the Middle East for the entirety of his 1st term and leading his violent mob of cop-killing insurrectionists into battle on American Soil in his War Against America, as a "man of peace", of course, producing and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic Part 1, locked in as he knew he would be with at least 49.8% of the Dumb Repub Hillbilly Cult Member Electorate, Harris was the best candidate to run against him.

As the election results clearly showed; but for a shift of less than 1 percentage point of votes from Trump to Harris in just 3 swing states, the only three that mattered and where most of the campaigning was done, the only typical Blue States that Trump flipped and those flips only due to less than 115,000 angry Muslims across those 3 states, a less than 1 percentage point shift across those three states, "giving him the presidency" because Netanyahu carefully timed his cease-fire agreement to come into effect after the election.

LOL. The idea that a Trump-supporting Repub, pretend "Bothsider / Neithersider" whose idea of supporting Trump this time was to vote for someone whose name, Clark something or whatever, nobody can even remember, is "schooling" anyone on who the Dems should have nominated, is pretty funny. LOL.

As this Trump's Pandemic Part 2 term unfolds with the economic and national security disasters it is sure to bring as it is already bringing, I sure hope with all my heart that he gets everything he campaigned on for those 7 solid years and then some. And I want the tariffs and tariffs blather, the mass deportations and production of another Trump's Pandemic to do as much damage to America as possible. And especially to the only three states with enough highly motivated and mobilized angry Muslims that mattered and determined the presidential election outcome; PA, MI and WI.

God willing.

I want this election outcome to teach America a lesson and a really, really hard one that it will not forget for many decades to come, especially those 3 "Blue Wall" states.

I am even hoping that the "man of peace" Trump makes good on his post-election promise to take Canada, Greenland and Panama "one way or another"! LOL.

Can't wait to see how the voters in Michigan and "lower" Red States where the auto industry employs millions react to the Great Move of their jobs to the New Great USA State of Canada where there are already lots of auto factories and opportunities to poach from Michigan and other states starting on Day One! Lololol.

Get a grip Tooms. Biden is not some kind of intellectual giant. He's suffering from dementia. He would have lost. You're using a similar argument with those 118,000 Muslims as election deniers use to explain how Biden purportedly stole the 2020 election. And it should be obvious to you Democrats should have run someone besides Harris. Your party has increasingly moved to the left and that's a mistake. Democrats like Bill Clinton make good presidential general election candidates. People like Kamala Harris do not. There was no way I'd vote for her because she wanted to raise the capital gains tax to 43.4%, more than the 28% rate that would maximize government revenue. And in 2020 she campaigned to ban fracking. Others had different reasons not to vote for her. If you want to win, nominate candidates with sane policies, instead of those who pander to Progressives.

[ShooBree]

And Trump was doing the same thing. I do not get why there is so much hate towards Trump as he was doing the same thing as Biden was doing in his first term.

The big difference between the two was how pro war Biden was. He never met a war that he did not like. If the American people were at all down for a war, he would have sent troops off to fight. He even tried to say we were going to fight Russia until his staff corrected him.

A vote for Trump was a vote for peace. That was the big difference between the two and making peace in Ukraine was one of Trump's best campaign points. Unlike what Xpartan wants, I hope Trump succeeds with it. There has been too much dying in Ukraine.

Biden didn't start any war, putin did. Biden should be respected for his resistance against the russian war machine. USA used to be, and still is, a great country but I have never seen USA act so weak as it is today under trump. Trump is letting USA get bullied by russia! No other US president would have that lack of confidence in their country!

I have not seen trump end any war, all I have seen trump do is to strengthen putin and putin is not interested in peace. Ergo trump has prolonged the war at the expense of the Ukrainian people!

Churchill words still rings true to this very day: You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war!

Trump is either colluding with russia or just the worst negotiator and president the US ever had.

It's also important to note that the truth is that trump doesn't have any policies, morals or values. He's just doing the opposite of his predecessor and tries to ruin anything the former president accomplished. Spite and pettiness, that's the leading star for trump's presidency.

During his last presidency trump withdrew from the Iran deal and now suddenly he wants to reinstate Obama's deal with Iran.

This is the first cult leader in the White House, never before have so many Americans stopped thinking for themselves and just followed their leader blindly. It's unworthy of USA and its unamerican! This is what people do in countries like North Korea and Russia. Absolutely disgraceful.

I wonder how much this has to do with the deep scars from the financial crisis in 2008-2009?

[EihTooms]

I don't know fellas, I'm pretty desperate, Monica Lewinsky in her 20's looked kinda attractive. I probably would pay money to get a blowjob from her in a Bahnofvierstel type brothel place, but if she was giving it out for free, so much the better.

Besides, it's not about her looks, it's about having the power to have a somewhat attractive chick give you a blowjob, just cause. And she's one of the few cases we know of. I'm sure the dude had way hotter chicks blow him. I bet every president has. Why wouldn't they? Yes, money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac, but so is power.

They are just going with what they were fed in the media about it at the time.

The same way they to this day think one of the best Presidents of all time, Joe Biden, "didn't know who he is, where he is or what he is doing". LOL. They are slaves to whatever spin the MSM feeds them without opening their eyes and ears to what is clearly and easily observable as well as fully reported if they take the time to focus on it beyond the spin.

The idea that a president is supposed to be ushing into the Oval Office the latest movie star hottie to fuck and suck him without worry about it leaking into the headlines is the stuff of the old Pentouse Forum articles aimed at a 14 year old boy mindset.

Especially a President like Bill Clinton who had to fend off Nude Grinbitch's constant Repub attempts to thwart and reverse the Great Dem / Clinton Economic Recovery from 12 years of Reagan / Bush mismanagement and skyrocketing debt and deficits. A recovery that began a year before Grinbitch and his Repubs took control of Congress and with historic economic legislation in 1993 that did not get a single Reoub vote.

So Clinton was supposedly somehow a sexual slacker for not making sure a hotter intern than a 21 year old Monica Lewinsky had reason to go in and of the Oval Office throughout the day without raising alarm and occasionally give him a free blowjob, is it?

LOL. Yeah. Right.

[EihTooms]

True that, but I have no interest in wasting a lot of time responding to Mr. E, or anybody else up in here for that matter. Thinking I want to try to change their minds hahahaha! It's more than a waste of time. It's a waste of life LOL!

We do it to organize and confirm our accurate assessment of the issues and for the fun in revealing how wrong the dumb Repub hillbilly MAGAs are about truly important matters.

[EihTooms]

Yeah, Trump's Trade Wars make "0" sense. So why didn't your party nominate a sane Democrat politician with some economic sense, someone like Kyrsten Sinema, for president? I would have voted for her!

Oh, er, I forgot, the Democrats ran her out of the party, because she was sane.

Yes, Joe Biden vs. Donald Trump, the battle of two intellectual giants! Are you a fan of midget racing too Tooms? How about the Special Olympics? Golf tournaments for people with 30+ handicaps?

Typically pro Repub Mainstream Media's over-the-top Repub-enabling collective gasp over Biden's minor vocal tick at a debate did its intended job of terrifying big money donors into forcing Biden out of a race he would have won. Again. In a debate that 30% of the viewers thought Biden won compared to 20% thinking Obama won against Romney in 2012, BTW.

At that point, with 100 days left, the campaign money could only go to Harris.

And, given she was up against Trump's 7 solid years of constant campaigning for his 2nd term election when he wasn't playing golf, racking up record high deficits with nothing to show for it, happily presiding over a genuine USA Combat War in the Middle East for the entirety of his 1st term and leading his violent mob of cop-killing insurrectionists into battle on American Soil in his War Against America, as a "man of peace", of course, producing and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic Part 1, locked in as he knew he would be with at least 49.8% of the Dumb Repub Hillbilly Cult Member Electorate, Harris was the best candidate to run against him.

As the election results clearly showed; but for a shift of less than 1 percentage point of votes from Trump to Harris in just 3 swing states, the only three that mattered and where most of the campaigning was done, the only typical Blue States that Trump flipped and those flips only due to less than 115,000 angry Muslims across those 3 states, a less than 1 percentage point shift across those three states, "giving him the presidency" because Netanyahu carefully timed his cease-fire agreement to come into effect after the election.

LOL. The idea that a Trump-supporting Repub, pretend "Bothsider / Neithersider" whose idea of supporting Trump this time was to vote for someone whose name, Clark something or whatever, nobody can even remember, is "schooling" anyone on who the Dems should have nominated, is pretty funny. LOL.

As this Trump's Pandemic Part 2 term unfolds with the economic and national security disasters it is sure to bring as it is already bringing, I sure hope with all my heart that he gets everything he campaigned on for those 7 solid years and then some. And I want the tariffs and tariffs blather, the mass deportations and production of another Trump's Pandemic to do as much damage to America as possible. And especially to the only three states with enough highly motivated and mobilized angry Muslims that mattered and determined the presidential election outcome; PA, MI and WI.

God willing.

I want this election outcome to teach America a lesson and a really, really hard one that it will not forget for many decades to come, especially those 3 "Blue Wall" states.

I am even hoping that the "man of peace" Trump makes good on his post-election promise to take Canada, Greenland and Panama "one way or another"! LOL.

Can't wait to see how the voters in Michigan and "lower" Red States where the auto industry employs millions react to the Great Move of their jobs to the New Great USA State of Canada where there are already lots of auto factories and opportunities to poach from Michigan and other states starting on Day One! Lololol.

[Xpartan]

I don't normally post quotes without my own comments, but seriously, there is just nothing to add, it's so good.

Angry and erratic: Trump Cabinet official admits the president is acting on emotion

The president of the United States, the man with the nuclear codes, is angry, emotional and acting erratically. Thats basically what his own Cabinet defenders are saying.

On Thursday, Donald Trumps Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick joined Bloomberg Television to talk about how the president is shocked that the trade war he launched against Americas closest allies, Canada and the European Union, is suddenly blowing up in his face.

The president was totally annoyed that the Europeans did this, Lutnick said. He cares about America, and he wants to take care of Americans. And why are Europeans picking on Kentucky bourbon, Harley-Davidson motorcycles? When Lutnick was asked if this was an emotional response from the president, he called the E.U.s move disrespectful.

He wants these countries to respect him, and all of this showed you is that Europe and Canada do not respect Donald Trump, Lutnick added. If you make him unhappy, he responds unhappy.

On Wall Street, stocks continue to fall amid fears of higher prices from Trumps tariffs and threats. The S&P 500 fell 10% below its all-time high on Thursday, raising concerns among investors that a sell-off might be happening soon. The Nasdaq is already in that worrying territory. The Dow Jones was on track for its worst week since that string of high-profile bank failures in 2023.

All of this is happening for literally no reason whatsoever, other than the fact Trump is picking a fight with our neighbors. Now that our neighbors are fighting back, Trump is big mad, throwing out new threats of massive tariffs and annexation of foreign territories.

In a vicious cycle of escalation, Canada and the E.U. responded to Trumps tariffs by imposing new taxes on U.S. exports, including on signature American products like, as Lutnick mentioned, whiskey and motorcycles. When Trump heard about that retaliation, he basically lost it and made an unhinged post on Truth Social:

The European Union, one of the most hostile and abusive taxing and tariffing authorities in the World, which was formed for the sole purpose of taking advantage of the United States, has just put a nasty 50% Tariff on Whisky. If this Tariff is not removed immediately, the U.S. will shortly place a 200% Tariff on all WINES, CHAMPAGNES, & ALCOHOLIC PRODUCTS COMING OUT OF FRANCE AND OTHER E.U. REPRESENTED COUNTRIES. This will be great for the Wine and Champagne businesses in the U.S.

Now, to be clear, the U.S. does not technically have any Champagne businesses, but we are the biggest market for Champagne and many other French wines. Trump is threatening a tax at such a high level that the price of a bottle of wine would essentially double for Americans. Everybody who understands trade understands this is insane. I think even people who dont understand trade understand this is insane.

It was a point that even Emma Tucker, the editor-in-chief of the right-leaning Wall Street Journal, made on Thursday. The mood has shifted pretty much since all the tariffs started coming in, Tucker said on Fox Business. I think businesses realize now Trump is serious about this, but the problem theyve got is that theyre being imposed in a very haphazard way, and thats creating so much instability. When asked if companies would pass costs on to consumers, Tucker said eventually theyre gonna have to.

An hour after that interview, Trump posted to Truth Social again:

The Globalist Wall Street Journal has no idea what they are doing or saying. They are owned by the polluted thinking of the European Union, which was formed for the primary purpose of screwing the United States of America. Their (WSJ!) thinking is antiquated and weak, and very bad for the USA.

Later in the White House, sitting next to the secretary-general of NATO, Trump took a question about his tariffs and started musing, yet again, about the territorial conquest of Canada, a fellow NATO member. Trump also talked about annexing Greenland from Denmark.

All in all, the American president spent his day annoyed and emotional about the trade war he started, and then obsessed some more about making Canada and Greenland part of America. All while CEOs, investors and regular people are absolutely freaking out about the economy.

And it looks like no one is going to stop him at least, certainly not Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, who tried and failed to put a positive spin on this unfolding economic disaster. During an interview on CNBC on Thursday, Bessent said the Trump administration was focused on the real economy.

Im not concerned about a little bit of volatility over three weeks, Bessent said. The reason stocks are a safe and great investment is because youre looking over the long term. If you start looking at micro-horizons, stocks become very risky.

Its gotten so bad that even Tesla, the electric car company owned by Trumps unelected co-president Elon Musk, is worried about the impact of tariffs on its bottom line. In an unsigned letter, the company warned Trumps trade representatives that the presidents trade war would make it more expensive to build cars in America.

One person familiar with the process of sending the letter told the Financial Times: Its a polite way to say that the bipolar tariff regime is screwing over Tesla. The person added: It is unsigned because nobody at the company wants to be fired for sending it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...on/ar-AA1AWBpO

[Tiny 12]

Tiny, I am mostly in T bills and bonds for the moment. I have a small speculative short on the NASDAQ with SQQQ but I am not adding to that position as of now. I am waiting on the jobs number to get worse before adding to that position. The PPI comes before the CPI, producers will lower or raise consumer prices as their costs go up or down, and the PPI was negative last month. Year over year CPI was 2. 8% now and egg prices are plummeting, https://www.newsweek.com/price-eggs-...g-cost-2042992.

The Fed was left on its own to fight Biden's inflation. I am not sure if Trump's tariffs costs will be offset by spending costs. Probably not. Sadly, it does not look like the Republicans are being all that serious yet on cutting costs, but with the USA spending like 30 to 40% of the income in gets in taxes on interest payments on the debt, the easiest way to reduce these payments is to cut interest costs. You will see Trump blasting the Fed in the next month or two if they do not do so. There is no reason for them NOT to if inflation stays where it is now.

Thing about federal spending people do not get is that the government grants money to groups but the groups often have a hard time spending the money. As a taxpayer, that sickens me, they always ask for more than they need but I know it is true. Given how Musk is scrutinizing spending, even with Congress passing the money it did does not mean that money is going to find its way into the system.

I am not criticizing SC per se, but in the short term, the market is a voting machine not a weighing machine. So when you propose returns over a year, I am not doing that. My best bets have taken three and even four years to pay off, and the catalyst for a reassessment of valuation is always something out of the blue. Nvidia getting pummeled on deepseek was just the latest example of that. Good luck predicting something like that. I can say what a stock or bond should be valued not what it is valued by others in this exact second.

In reality, the market goes up when the government turns the spigot on or off. The Fed tried to close the spigot and I thought they were going to be successful but Biden kept it going so I got that wrong although I guess you could say it was inflation as much as anything that caused Biden to lose his seat.

God knows what inflation would have been had the Fed not turned on the brakes to some degree. Trump seems to be willing to cut spending until inflation is better under control. Once that happens, I think we will start to see a cutting of rates as that decrease in spending takes its toll.

But yeah, interest rates HAVE to come down, and I think Trump is willing to have a recession to make that a reality.

Like I said, there's more than one way to skin a cat Elvis. My biggest winners were held for 10+ years. But there are a number I wish I'd ditched earlier. At the other end of the spectrum, I have a friend, a day trader who specialized in arbitrage and was self-schooled in antitrust law, who turned $25,000 into $3,000,000 in a few years. He no longer trades, because outfits like Renaissance Technologies with armies of PhD's and huge investments in computer hardware and software outcompete him. Renaissance makes returns of 50%+ per year! And they somehow figured out how to channel massive sums of money into their tax free Roth IRA's, although I believe they got into a lawsuit with the IRS over that.

On the subject of the economy, I believe the Fed screwed up in 2021 and 2022 when it was way behind the curve in raising interest rates. They should have seen inflation coming when the Democrats' American Rescue Plan was passed, pumping $1. 9 trillion into an economy that needed about "0" in additional stimulus spending. Larry Summers and Jason Furman saw that coming. Even I saw that coming, although admittedly it was because I was reading what people like Summers were writing.

Yes, $27 trillion federal debt held by the public x 4% per annum interest rates = $1 trillion per year. If you don't consider social security and Medicare contributions, I believe your estimate that the interest is 30% to 40% of taxes is pretty darn reasonable.

I wholeheartedly applaud the goal of reducing the size of federal government, by shunting more responsibility onto the states and municipalities, reducing fraud, increasing efficiency, and doing away with wasteful spending. I don't think however Musk is going to make a big difference unless he slows down, gets off the ketamine, and approaches this more rationally and methodically. And Congress cooperates by legislating lower expenditures. As to entitlements, the politicians aren't going to tinker radically with social security or Medicare and Medicaid. They will however have to raise employer and employee contributions a lot.

I don't like what's coming down the pike in decades to come.

[Xpartan]

This from the guy calling Arabs living in Gaza "Palestinians" and Russian soldiers "orcs". When you dehumanize your fellow man, you are the one in the cult.

1. That's because calling them Palestinians is vastly inaccurate. You want to know why? I've explained on more than one occasion why I refuse to discuss the Middle East in these threads. If you so desire, start the relevant topic in the Israel section of the forum, and I'll meet you there.

2. Dehumanize? Putin's hordes are not my fellow men. People who kill civilians for sport, rape girls and women, torture and murder POWs, and steal everything they can grab -- including women's underwear, toilets and washing machines -- I'd say "Orcs" is charitable.

This degree of name calling is going to make Spidy blush.

You think? Let's ask him. Spidy, are you blushing?

[EihTooms]

Did Biden pick up the phone and call Putin, even once, after February of 2022? That's a rhetorical question.

Biden was more lucid, cognitively capable and certainly more informed and prepared regarding Russia, Putin and all other foreign policy matters than Trump has been or will ever be to know exactly how pointless to the level of grossly counterproductive a phone call to Putin on this issue would have been.

See, again, a phone call is only a "process. " It is not a "result. ".

If, as those phone calls Trump made to Putin did, they ended with Putin ratcheting up his bombing of Ukraine, killing more Ukrainians, dumping megatons more horseshit on America and our (former) Western Democracy Alliances with Putin only taking the opportunity to add more demands to the already "damn near everything" Trump already lavished on him while "negotiationg" bupkiss for Ukraine as Biden, Zelenskyy and, hell, even I knew such a phone call would accomplish, then, hip hip hooray, there's your "result. ".

Or, as I am sure your boy Trump would characterize it, "another perfect phone call. ".

[EihTooms]

The historians surveyed probably were mostly academics in liberal arts who have the same biases you do. I call bull shit on it. Ronald Reagan and Calvin Coolidge aren't even in the top 10. Obama at #7 is rated higher than they are. I can't think of anything big and really good he did besides getting us out of Iraq. Obamacare may have improved health care for many, but it also doubled down on a failed health care system that costs much more and produces worse outcomes compared to other developed countries.

So now we can add Obama's historic recovery from the likewise historic GW Bush's Great Repub Recession, Economic Disaster and Massive Jobs Destruction to FDR's historic recovery from Coolidge / Hoover's Great Repub Depression, Economic Disaster and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction and Biden's historic recovery from Trump's Great Repub Economic Disaster, Repub Recession and Massive Repub Job Desstruction to your list of "nothing big or important" Winger Selective Amnesia symptoms. LOL.

Which is it that triggers this classic Winger Selective Amnesia in you? Is it the fact that every one of those classic Repub Supply-Side / Trickle-Down policies RESULTED in predictable Great Repub Depressions / Great Repub Recessions, Economic Disasters and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction or the classic Dem Recoveries, Expansions and Historic Job Gains that followed? Both?