Havana

[CiscoMech]

The DR is over rated. It's not even on my radar anymore. Been there, done that. Been to 6 different cities in the DR on multiple occasions. I will leave it for the hip-hop ghetto types.

DR was my first exposure to the lifestyle and I probably still recommend them for a first time monger. It's lost its appeal to me after I noticed the taxi drivers, girls, and locals all came together and basically said let's fuck the gringo together. It's no longer about ensuring the tourist has a good experience but more about let's all squeeze as much money out of the tourist as we can while providing minimal value.

This last trip as usual it was easy to get from the airport TO Sosúa, but when it came time to go back from sosua to the airport my uber got surrounded by a gang of taxi drivers and had to pull out a taser on them. This is after the taxi drivers tried to quote me $50 USD for the 10 minute drive to the airport so I said fuck it I'm using uber. I have no issues in Santiago or Santa Domingo only sosua. I am aware the taxi drivers are basically a union, but I refuse to be extorted. I rather walk the hour to the airport than give a mf $50 out of principle. Then the taxis wonder why they are sitting around all day waiting for rides.

[MongerHunger]

I just came back from my 6th and final trip to DR.

The DR is over rated. It's not even on my radar anymore. Been there, done that. Been to 6 different cities in the DR on multiple occasions. I will leave it for the hip-hop ghetto types.

[CiscoMech]

FWIW I think it's incredible that you responded to your own post from 10 years ago. There's something poetic about that. It's a sign of the March of time. That 10 years can and does pass in the blink of an eye. So fast that you can remember writing this post and responding to it.

It also reminds me why we engage in this kind of travel. Life is short. Your legs and dick won't always work. Your libido and zest for life and love are a gift. You can't squander them. When they're gone they're gone. Nobody on their deathbed said I wish I'd traveled less, had less sex, seen and experienced less beauty. Only the converse is true.

Good on you.

Truer words! Virility is a depreciating asset. We spend our lives pursuing the accumulation of things when experience is really the only true thing of value. Cuba is my current hyper-fixation, but I just came back from my 6th and final trip to DR. I forgot who said it but the world is like a book and those who haven't traveled have only seems 1 page.

[AmericanPi]

My fellow explorers, where the hell has the past 10 years gone!

I spent 10 days in Havana almost 10 years ago (in August 2015) and if you read my trip report above (found on page #259, written September 2015 on my return from Cuba) I ask the question "So would I recommend Cuba? Will I return?

Well truth be told I have never been back to Cuba but have been busy just about everywhere else in the world with a decade of time in Medellin, Colombia where I live full time.

Is my friend Americano573 still out there? He was so kind to be my wing man and would love to catch up with him again.

So my question is how is the P4 P scene in Havana now?.

FWIW I think it's incredible that you responded to your own post from 10 years ago. There's something poetic about that. It's a sign of the March of time. That 10 years can and does pass in the blink of an eye. So fast that you can remember writing this post and responding to it.

It also reminds me why we engage in this kind of travel. Life is short. Your legs and dick won't always work. Your libido and zest for life and love are a gift. You can't squander them. When they're gone they're gone. Nobody on their deathbed said I wish I'd traveled less, had less sex, seen and experienced less beauty. Only the converse is true.

Good on you.

[The Tall Man]

Trip report 10 days in Havana August 2015.

Preface Throughout my 10 days in and around Havana I could not help but wonder how different my experience and perhaps disappointment would have been because of the changes in Cuba and P4 P challenges if I had chosen to travel to Cuba instead of Brazil back in 2000 and 2001. But at a simple "flip of a coin" decision and Brazil and European destinations won out and I enjoyed my multiple trips to San Paulo and Rio back in the day.

I do know for an absolute certainty that if I did not have my fellow veteran travel partner Americano573, whom was so gracious to take me under his wing, if not for him my experience in Cuba would have been completely different, so I owe a big debt of gratitude to Americano573. His command of Spanish (this cannot be overstated in its importance in Cuba) his story's & experiences from his 14 plus years of travel throughout all of Cuba, the relationships that he has formed, the way he has adapted to the changes and the manner in which he has mastered his "game" is not only fascinating to watch first hand in action but best of all he unselfishly shares this information (women too) with a Cuban travel newbie as myself. There are others who have sent me suggestions via PM on this board who I wish to thank.

Much has already been written about Havana regards the girls, the police, the bars, the SW scene, the beaches, the pros, the pimps, the hassles, the hustle, the food, the casa particulars, the scams, the heat as yes August 2015 was very hot, and know that it is all spot on so not much to add to this that has not already been discussed in detail.

By design, this being my first trip to Cuba, I decided to stay in the Vedado area for the whole stay. We were roomies together in the same casa which was a god send. This proved very useful as its location is good central spot. You can very quickly spend a sizable amount of money on all the taxi fares for you and carting around your girls. The casa accommodations are relatively reasonable at 25 CUC a day but you can easily spend 20 to 60 CUC a day when you want to go and play.

The best advice I can give others is to learn some Spanish and if not you, like myself, will be a distant last place when it comes to the P4 P scene and your enjoyment factor. Fortunately my partner Americano573 speaks great Spanish and he took concern for me for the best possible enjoyment that I had with the girls.

The second best advice is do not trust anyone in Cuba as they ALL are out to get something from you. There are scams in every crevice of Havana's P4 P scene especially when it comes to taxi and restaurant meals and girls. I have been in many places in the world and I saw first hand how well they play the scam games. I saw first hand all the BS that goes on at the music / dance clubs. After one visit I will never step foot in these places ever again. The girl prices are absurd and frankly beyond ruin.

In my stay I enjoyed the company of about 5 girls a with a few hand picked by my friend. These were from other areas of Cuba so they were low volume provincial girls. I would argue that the vast majority of girls from Havana are spoiled and ruined because of the way some guys throw money at them. So yes IMHO you must get out of Havana to have any real enjoyment other than just a quick short term experience.

So would I recommend Cuba? Will I return? I could only recommend outside Havana and only if you speak some Spanish and are clever and have some "game" to you. This is not a Tijuana experience where you walk into Hong Kong bar and see a hundred very willing and doable Latin girls for $60-$80 no you have to work at your Cuban experience. I would only return if I would spend my time outside of Havana and if I spoke Spanish or had a great wingman as I did.

In summary I am glad I had the experience and adventure of seeing a new place. Cuba is a place that you must see at least once in your life if not for the P4 P scene but also for the country and friendly people. Not once did I feel threatened, hassled yes but in danger no! BTW I was never hassled like we get hassled in Tijuana at the bars, at most one tenth of what we endure in Tijuana.

Without the consent of my friend Americano573 I will not disclose his program but I can say what a program it is, it has taken him years to perfect and he reaps the rewards each day of his time in Cuba. It actually is incredible how much fun and different girls he has all throughout the island. The difference is that he puts in a great deal of effort and I saw first hand the benefits and even enjoyed a few side benefits myself. Thanks again my brother from another mother.

Know that these are my observations and experiences and yours may be different. That is OK. There are many details left out of this report but suffice to say that these are highlights only meant to provide information to others interested in visiting Cuba.

The Tall Man.

My fellow explorers, where the hell has the past 10 years gone!

I spent 10 days in Havana almost 10 years ago (in August 2015) and if you read my trip report above (found on page #259, written September 2015 on my return from Cuba) I ask the question "So would I recommend Cuba? Will I return?

Well truth be told I have never been back to Cuba but have been busy just about everywhere else in the world with a decade of time in Medellin, Colombia where I live full time.

Is my friend Americano573 still out there? He was so kind to be my wing man and would love to catch up with him again.

So my question is how is the P4 P scene in Havana now?

Quality of chicas? Service and cost?

And also for a US Citizen is entering into Cuba and different than it was in 2015?

Yes I am considering a visit.

Thank you all and Godspeed!

The Tall Man.

[Nomars777]

This is exceedingly good information. Obviously someone who has done this before and knows what he's doing.

Budget and plan are right on target, a great way to operate, in my opinion.

Noobs, please take note.

I personally plan to hit this place up at least 4 times a year. Already have my next 3 trips booked. I set a budget of $1,500 max for all my trips. $500-$600 for airfare roundtrip. Nothing over 9 hrs total so that I leave in the morning and in HAV by afternoon. Make sure your Airbnb arranges taxi pickup from airport especially if you don't know how to get to your casa.

Don't cheap out on Airbnb because you get what you pay for. I always spring for the $100 per night or so spots because they come with all the amenities I like ac, fridge, kitchen, WiFi, sometimes even hot water. So I budget $400-$500 for that.

The last is I budget $500 for entertainment and food. I set $200 of that aside to change to pesos (that's like 80,000 pesos these days on the black market) so I can buy food and groceries I want so I can eat out one or two times during my trip, but I bring enough food that I atleast can cook what I like if food is scarce. Also bring some treats / supplies to give to the locals as well (that should validate your 'support of the Cuban people' mission and satiate your morality LOL)..

[Raw Deal]

Hahaha 😆 😂.

....... hear her in the background getting piped by the plumber and you're trying to get home to burn the bodies.

[CiscoMech]

There you go! One of the BEST post EVER!

The thing is not everyone grew up around hustlers or gangsters. We are a community of different backgrounds all united in the common interest of pussy exploration. I grew up in Jamaica and also live close to Jamaica Ave in NYC. Both places will teach you how to not get hustled. These are some of the things you learn-.

If anyone walks up to you at all to even say Hi, best assume they are trying to get something from you. Secondly, you have to present as a hard target or you will be seen as a mark. That means no smiling, no looking around staring at the buildings like you're lost or sightseeing (ain't shit to really see. All the buildings look like shit and there's nothing for sale that you can't get back home on Amazon shipped to your doorstep). The key is to not look weak because hustlers can spot an easy mark with those signs. You want to walk with a purpose and don't stop to talk to anyone that approaches you. If they try to block you then pick up the pace and go around looking straight ahead. Just because someone talks to you doesn't mean you're obligated to respond. Pretend your wife is at home and she accidentally pocket dialed you and you can hear her in the background getting piped by the plumber and you're trying to get home to burn the bodies.

[Chris H]

Some people don't know how to operate in Cuba. Any seasoned Vet should know how to move even on a global scale. I guess for some people, intimidation is a Mother Fucker!

There you go! One of the BEST post EVER!

[SamSadees2]

Hi, I'm visiting Havana for the first time. I heard from someone that there are a lot of beautiful young ladies. [Deleted by Admin]. So my question is, how do I know I'm hooking up with a 18+ lady? Do they have IDs? I assume the IDs are fake if they need to be approved at a club or whatnot. I also heard a lot of them hang out on the streets and solicit that way but again, Age of Consent vs Age of Majority. Replies here welcomed or PM me. Greatly appreciated and I'm really excited to visit!

Oh, and do Cubans speak any English whatsoever or would me learning Spanish be a wise decision to connect with them better? I was recently in Medellin and no one speaks any English. I assume Cuba is the same.

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Greetings Gentlemen,

The Age of Consent is the age in which girls can participate in consensual, non-commercial sex with their teen-age boyfriend without said teen-age boyfriend being charged with statutory rape.

However, the Age of Consent is irrelevant to the members of this forum.

What you need to focus on is the Age of Majority, which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

Please exercise caution and govern yourself accordingly.

Thanks,

Admin

[Raw Deal]

Cheers mate. You have helped me close the deal.

I was wondering whether to make a trip to Panama again as the relative travel distance-price-quality-safety equation was pretty high. I will now make a stop in Havana.

Yea don't waste your time with apps or online dating in Cuba. That's the American way of dating. You got to think most of the girls in Cuba are not on any dating sites for you to find. .......Just go for a walk down San raf or just walk around town, go to a bar or night club or art expo and your jaw will drop at some of the talent you see. You will think they are out of your league but it is the opposite way around. Most of them are there looking to win the lottery and meet someone like you. Just introduce yourself, tell them where you're from and ask if they want to spend time with you. They'll make it their mission make themselves unforgettable.

[CiscoMech]

Thanks a lot for your comprehensive response. Appreciate your help.

One more question re: Badoo. Is this the best way to meet ladies? I prefer good looking, well proportioned / in shape bodies. Badoo seems to be having a significant number of not-so-appealing ladies. Not sure if I am doing anything wrong.

Yea don't waste your time with apps or online dating in Cuba. That's the American way of dating. You got to think most of the girls in Cuba are not on any dating sites for you to find. They literally only recently were even allowed to have phones and most girls aren't fortunate to have a phone. The diamonds you see on the street likely live in rural areas and come to the city to find a rich tourist. The girl you're talking to now on dating apps will likely not have reliable internets or means to come see you when you arrive. So putting your eggs in that basket is just a waste of time tbh because you will likely end up disappointed waiting around thinking you been stood up when chica just don't have minutes on her phone and is back in the Bush. Just go for a walk down San raf or just walk around town, go to a bar or night club or art expo and your jaw will drop at some of the talent you see. You will think they are out of your league but it is the opposite way around. Most of them are there looking to win the lottery and meet someone like you. Just introduce yourself, tell them where you're from and ask if they want to spend time with you. They'll make it their mission make themselves unforgettable.

[Raw Deal]

Thanks a lot for your comprehensive response. Appreciate your help.

One more question re: Badoo. Is this the best way to meet ladies? I prefer good looking, well proportioned / in shape bodies. Badoo seems to be having a significant number of not-so-appealing ladies. Not sure if I am doing anything wrong.

The way I search Airbnb in Cuba or anywhere I travel really is by using the map feature. ...... That way if you run out of money you won't starve. Because believe me once the money runs out the fun is over. Which is why I wouldn't recommend trips over 3-4 days unless you're a veteran.

[CiscoMech]

The way I search Airbnb in Cuba or anywhere I travel really is by using the map feature. Zoom in on the area you want to stay. I recommend zooming in close on el capitolio because the closer you are to el capitolio the better. You will be able to walk to malecon, San raf, most tourist spots, etc. Make sure you filter your results to only include entire houses / apartments with A / see, kitchen and WiFi and offer self check-in with or without building staff. This should ensure you get a private spot without anyone babysitting you too much. If you want to be really in the mix then zoom in on San raf instead and search spots closest to there with the same criteria. Really you can sit in any bar or restaurant and once people realize you're a tourist they will gravitate towards you. Some attention wanted and some unwanted. If you see something you like anywhere just go say hola. If you don't speak much Spanish just say that. Save your WhatsApp QR code as a screenshot so you can have the chica add you and message you later for meetup, or if they don't have phone then you will have to close the deal then and there. Invite them to the casa for drinks. Stock your fridge with sodas and cervesas and whatever food / snacks you need. That way if you run out of money you won't starve. Because believe me once the money runs out the fun is over. Which is why I wouldn't recommend trips over 3-4 days unless you're a veteran.

I personally plan to hit this place up at least 4 times a year. Already have my next 3 trips booked. I set a budget of $1,500 max for all my trips. $500-$600 for airfare roundtrip. Nothing over 9 hrs total so that I leave in the morning and in HAV by afternoon. Make sure your Airbnb arranges taxi pickup from airport especially if you don't know how to get to your casa.

Don't cheap out on Airbnb because you get what you pay for. I always spring for the $100 per night or so spots because they come with all the amenities I like ac, fridge, kitchen, WiFi, sometimes even hot water. So I budget $400-$500 for that.

The last is I budget $500 for entertainment and food. I set $200 of that aside to change to pesos (that's like 80,000 pesos these days on the black market) so I can buy food and groceries I want so I can eat out one or two times during my trip, but I bring enough food that I atleast can cook what I like if food is scarce. Also bring some treats / supplies to give to the locals as well (that should validate your 'support of the Cuban people' mission and satiate your morality LOL).

Break down the $300 entertainment budget to $50 per company. Some might say that's too much but again don't cheap out on company. You want to be highly selective about who you spend your time and resources on. Don't bring sand to the beach and remember your the prize so find the type of natural super model beauty that you would pay $200-$500 for a lazy fuck except in Cuba she will fuck and suck you like the king that you are. I keep it at $100 per day for company because I like to split the company up into day company and night company that way I can shoot for 2 pops each time. Basically getting $25 CPN (cost per nut). Then spend the day recovering the sperm count so you can go for the night round, have chica stay the night if you want and pop again in the morning.

That's how I did my last trip and it had me considering crossing off all my other mongering travel spots. The only reason I still consider going to Sosua is because they have the beach close by and the casino. So I always feel like a pirate when I roll through. I try to hit at least 6 supermodel status in Cuba at $50 usd each. Because in America I would be lucky to even find anything even close to that level of talent and they want $200-$800. So after I hit my 6 I basically broke even $1600 which is a total ROI of my expenses.

[CiscoMech]

Hello. I have a few questions re: Airbnb's. I am looking to make a reservation and would appreciate if anyone can help me here. I am a single traveler looking for a whole place for myself, not into the street scene at all. I prefer visiting bars / restaurants where one can 'see-before-one-buys'.

1. I am looking at listing's between Hotel Nacional - Av Paseo - Closer to the sea. Is this the right area to seek accommodation for bars / restaurants with ladies in a reasonable distance?

2. Is there any way to identify in the listing if the owner is OK with me bringing someone back? Most of the listing's I have seen in the Malecon / Vedado area state family accommodations etc. Not sure if there is term or the way a listing is written that holds the clue?

Highly appreciate any guidance any one can share.

Thanks!

The way I search Airbnb in Cuba or anywhere I travel really is by using the map feature. Zoom in on the area you want to stay. I recommend zooming in close on el capitolio because the closer you are to el capitolio the better. You will be able to walk to malecon, San raf, most tourist spots, etc. Make sure you filter your results to only include entire houses / apartments with A / see, kitchen and WiFi and offer self check-in with or without building staff. This should ensure you get a private spot without anyone babysitting you too much. If you want to be really in the mix then zoom in on San raf instead and search spots closest to there with the same criteria. Really you can sit in any bar or restaurant and once people realize you're a tourist they will gravitate towards you. Some attention wanted and some unwanted. If you see something you like anywhere just go say hola. If you don't speak much Spanish just say that. Save your WhatsApp QR code as a screenshot so you can have the chica add you and message you later for meetup, or if they don't have phone then you will have to close the deal then and there. Invite them to the casa for drinks. Stock your fridge with sodas and cervesas and whatever food / snacks you need. That way if you run out of money you won't starve. Because believe me once the money runs out the fun is over. Which is why I wouldn't recommend trips over 3-4 days unless you're a veteran.