American Politics

[Tiny 12]

Now, that's not saying much at all, really!

O&G companies have had the EPA, in their back pockets for years, with very favorable and often soft regulatory measures, being ever softly applied to O&G (or coal) companies. Wouldn't surprise me if the EPA along the way, were a who's who of O&G alumni.


(...kkkk!) So now you're making my point for me! Thanks!

Methane GHG gas, has an 80x the warming effect on our atmosphere, and CO2 has a 1x (baseline) warming effect. When methane GHG gas, breaks down over those 12 years, it still leaves a significant deposit of CO2, that lingers for those 100+ years (as you've so kindly stated). So basically, what this means is, dirty methane GHG gas emissions, speeds up global warming and is no better than coal, when you take into account the massive amount of leaks.

If it hasn't already dawned on you, the use of more oil, coal or methane gas, released into our atmosphere for next 100+ years, is NOT what's needed, when alternative cleaner energy sources, exist.
Don't forget the Obama administration, only meant for methane gas, to be used as a temporary transitional energy source.

But greedy O&G companies, lack fortitude and the constitution for zero CO2 emissions and cleaner solutions and haven't reduced dirty fossil fuels, in the face of clean renewables. Nor do I blame them, if there's a demand for it. So it's up to us, to change that trend, which I think is happening.

Yes, some O&G production will probably always exist, but what governments need to really do, is place more emphasis, on renewables. See my past post, on those countries, that are producing more grid renewable energy, than fossil fuels.

(...kkkk!) Is that what ChatGOP is telling you! Or was ChatGOP, just playing with you and provided you the appropriate greenwashing answer?

Do I really need to explain to you, that when methane gas is used or burnt, it releases CO2 emissions. So greenwash with terms like "pure" and "natural" all you want, the answer will always come up DIRTY!



BTW, while methane gas is by nature, colorless and odorless, that rotten egg smell associated with commercial and residential use of dirty methane gas, is the odorant called mercaptan, which is added, so that we can detect, when we're about to be poisoned or blown up, by dirty methane gas leaks.

Yeah, I met that challenge several posts ago. And you can check my last post for the all those countries, that have flipped the switch and are using renewables as baseload power and supplement there peak demand with fossil fuels.

Again, you're not saying very much about anything when you talk about your MAGA Fuhrer, now are you!

BTW, he's never considered himself a politician, perhaps that's because, he's a grifter, corrupt and criminal gangster, masquerading as a wannabe dictator.

Your source Gasleaks apparently doesn't understand the difference between methane and natural gas. Yes, CH4 will oxidize to CO2 and H2 O after 7 to 12 years in the atmosphere, from what I'm reading. The amount of CO2 resulting from the oxidation of manmade CH4 emissions is tiny compared to the volume of manmade CO2 emissions.

As a former engineer who worked in a natural gas processing plant, I appreciate your educating me about mercaptans.

As to "Yeah, I met that challenge several posts ago," no, you did not.

I'm not replying to any more of your posts on natural gas. And I'm probably the only one reading them, just as you're probably the only person reading mine.

I had an Aha moment! I wasn't ever able to convince the Mormon missionaries who I invited into my home that they were sadly misguided, and I'm not going to be able to convince you either.

And why do you keep calling Trump my MAGA Fuhrer? The only person on this board who possibly dislikes me more than you do is the Marquesa, and the reason she dislikes me is because I don't like Trump.

I love both of you by the way, in a brotherly, Christian kind of way. Although it's incredibly frustrating trying to educate you.

[Tiny 12]

(...kkkk!) That's a good point! But I'm hardly the first to pass gas and won't be the last. But passing gas, (in my books anyways), is always better than being constipated and full of shit, right!

Dude, Tiny 12, since you mentioned it, renewable energy can indeed help, with our meat and protein dietary needs, and assist with producing, alternative sustainable protein sources. Renewable energy systems can take role in tackling protein scarcity. Microbial protein industry links renewable energy system and food security. https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...64032121013034


What you often fail to omit, is that when good ol' O&G are left to "self-monitor" and "self-report", ...THEY DON'T report those dirty methane leaks, that occur upwards of 8x more than what's reported, for fear being fined and exposing, just how problematic, methane leaks really are.

Methane Leaking From US Oil and Gas Is 8 Times Higher Than Agreed Targets, Jul 31, 2024,
https://www.newsweek.com/methane-lea...argets-1932878

US natural gas pipeline accidents pose big, unreported climate threat, March 8, 2024, Pipeline mishaps unintentionally released nearly 9.7 billion cubic feet of gas into the atmosphere between 2019 and late 2023 https://www.reuters.com/sustainabili...at-2024-03-08/

So you tell me, where is the incentive, for the "self-monitoring" and "self-reporting" O&G companies, to report the actual numbers of dirty methane leaks? Their "incentive" is too keep the methane leakage number low. As low as possible!

Unlike the often larger fines in Europe, the fines in U.S. are way below, what they should be for the climate damage caused and only amount to what is essentially a slap on the wrist. But now that there's stronger satellite monitoring, revealing a greater number of methane leaks and flares, this may force more bigger and tougher penalties.


Yes, the article says 1/3 of global methane GHG gas emissions is produced by O&G and coal companies and emit 128 million tons per year. Coal companies, although they capture far less methane than they emit, they are nonetheless, producers and sellers of dirty methane gas.

But what you fail to realize, in this report and overall what the report is telling you, is that O&G sector has been under reporting their numbers, for years. It's only until just recently that the technology has given, industry watch dogs, the means to detect, the wide spread leakages.

In this report, as much as 60% higher. In the article above, as much as 8x times higher for methane GHG gas emission, than reported or estimated.


You foolishly put too much stock into winger MAGA politicians to do anything consequential, let alone "create jobs" for hard working American. We can all agree your winger job creation record, is dismal and pathetic.


(...kkkk!) Judging by this wrongheaded statement, I guess the irony of what the current clown show, of winger politicians and the Fuhrer/President Musk gong show, is doing, is lost on YOU, right!

Tell me again, just where exactly where is the job creation/growth, you're prattling on about, with this current MAGA admin?

I'm not going to waste time reading the Book of Mormon when I know it's bull shit. Likewise, I'm not going to take a close read about what the Newsweek's sustainability editor and the Environmental Defense Fund have to say. I am sure their contention that methane losses in the Uinta Basin are 7% is bull shit.

Oil and gas companies have plenty of reason to monitor leaks, in addition to governmental pressure. They sell natural gas. They make money off it. If it's leaking into the air they make less money. Furthermore, they will get sued by landowners. Finally, the big ones are trying to claim they're "green. " Which is of course bull shit, but cutting natural gas leaks to 0% or close to it is one of the ways they go about claiming they're green. And for the 3rd time, yes, there should be aggressive government regulation to prevent the industry from leaking natural gas.

9.8 billion cubic feet, the amount of natural gas that you say was leaked from 2019 to late 2023, is nothing. If the gas were pure methane (specific gravity of 0. 554), then that would be 188,000 metric tons of methane. 13.33 lbs. of air at standard conditions weigh one pound, and there are 2204 pounds per metric ton, if you want to check me. If your polytechnique insights link is correct (and I wouldn't bet on it), and you spread those 188,000 tons over 5 years (from 2019 to 2023), then those 9. 8 billion cubic feet are about 0.011% of total methane emissions from manmade sources during the period. You shouldn't want to put put the domestic natural gas industry out of business to reduce methane emissions by 0.011%.

As to the rest of your post, I didn't vote for Trump. That's not my monkey.

[Tiny 12]

Trump has announced tariffs on auto imports. Here's the markets reaction at this moment,

USA (After hours trading):
Ford -4.37%
General Motors -6.36%

Foreign
Toyota -3.9%
Honda -3.1%
Hyundai -2.7%
Kia -2.1%

Would someone care to kindly explain why Ford and GM are down sharply when tariffs are supposed to help U.S. automakers? Or why the Asian automakers, which purportedly will pay the tariffs, are down less than Ford and GM?

[Newton York]

So much for NVDA. Goddamn.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Until now, hopefully someone will be.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/d...25/id/1204352/

The only person MURDERED on Jan 6 during the rigged election protests RIP Ashley maybe she will receive some justice after all.

[Spidy]

Again, I'd trust the EPA's numbers over the greenies (Environmental Defense Fund) any day.

Now, that's not saying much at all, really!

O&G companies have had the EPA, in their back pockets for years, with very favorable and often soft regulatory measures, being ever softly applied to O&G (or coal) companies. Wouldn't surprise me if the EPA along the way, were a who's who of O&G alumni.

Methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, yes. But it only stays in the atmosphere for 10 to 12 years. CO2 is up there for hundreds of years.

And the quantities leaked from oil and gas operations in the USA are small and becoming smaller, see post below. Yes, government should continue to pressure industry to reduce methane leaks even more.

(...kkkk!) So now you're making my point for me! Thanks!

Methane GHG gas, has an 80x the warming effect on our atmosphere, and CO2 has a 1x (baseline) warming effect. When methane GHG gas, breaks down over those 12 years, it still leaves a significant deposit of CO2, that lingers for those 100+ years (as you've so kindly stated). So basically, what this means is, dirty methane GHG gas emissions, speeds up global warming and is no better than coal, when you take into account the massive amount of leaks.

If it hasn't already dawned on you, the use of more oil, coal or methane gas, released into our atmosphere for next 100+ years, is NOT what's needed, when alternative cleaner energy sources, exist.
Don't forget the Obama administration, only meant for methane gas, to be used as a temporary transitional energy source.

But greedy O&G companies, lack fortitude and the constitution for zero CO2 emissions and cleaner solutions and haven't reduced dirty fossil fuels, in the face of clean renewables. Nor do I blame them, if there's a demand for it. So it's up to us, to change that trend, which I think is happening.

Yes, some O&G production will probably always exist, but what governments need to really do, is place more emphasis, on renewables. See my past post, on those countries, that are producing more grid renewable energy, than fossil fuels.

Pure methane does not contribute to dirty air. Again, it's colorless and odorless and not toxic unless breathed in sufficient quantities to crowd out Oxygen.

(...kkkk!) Is that what ChatGOP is telling you! Or was ChatGOP, just playing with you and provided you the appropriate greenwashing answer?

Do I really need to explain to you, that when methane gas is used or burnt, it releases CO2 emissions. So greenwash with terms like "pure" and "natural" all you want, the answer will always come up DIRTY!

How Common Are Gas Leaks And Explosions? Our Team Set Out to Find The Truth
...
Despite assurances from the administrators that the issue had been resolved, it turned out that the root problema broken gas boilerhad not been addressed. While it is difficult to gauge the level of exposure for the students and staff, it is known that long-term exposure to gas can increase the risk of respiratory problems, especially in children.

Often called natural gas, thanks to decades of misleading marketing from the oil and gas industry, methane gas is a climate super pollutant that contains harmful air toxins like benzene and nitrogen dioxide linked to cancer and respiratory issues.

https://gasleaks.org/the-gas-leaks-p...140-incidents/

BTW, while methane gas is by nature, colorless and odorless, that rotten egg smell associated with commercial and residential use of dirty methane gas, is the odorant called mercaptan, which is added, so that we can detect, when we're about to be poisoned or blown up, by dirty methane gas leaks.

I challenge you to find a single city or contiguous region in the developed world with a population of over one million that only uses solar or wind power except for peak demand. I don't believe you can find a single one where battery storage is such that they can do away with fossil fuels, nuclear or hydro when the sun's not shining and the wind's not blowing.

Yeah, I met that challenge several posts ago. And you can check my last post for the all those countries, that have flipped the switch and are using renewables as baseload power and supplement there peak demand with fossil fuels.

While I have a lot of problems with Trump, thankfully he's not a Green Cultist, unlike many of the politicians in your party.

Again, you're not saying very much about anything when you talk about your MAGA Fuhrer, now are you!

BTW, he's never considered himself a politician, perhaps that's because, he's a grifter, corrupt and criminal gangster, masquerading as a wannabe dictator.

[Spidy]

If you're really concerned about methane emissions, you should give up eating meat and dairy products. Also get a Flatus Containment Device AND USE IT.

(...kkkk!) That's a good point! But I'm hardly the first to pass gas and won't be the last. But passing gas, (in my books anyways), is always better than being constipated and full of shit, right!

Dude, Tiny 12, since you mentioned it, renewable energy can indeed help, with our meat and protein dietary needs, and assist with producing, alternative sustainable protein sources. Renewable energy systems can take role in tackling protein scarcity. Microbial protein industry links renewable energy system and food security. https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...64032121013034

As I've said several times, the industry in the USA should and is doing more to control methane emissions. But how big a problem are they?

What you often fail to omit, is that when good ol' O&G are left to "self-monitor" and "self-report", ...THEY DON'T report those dirty methane leaks, that occur upwards of 8x more than what's reported, for fear being fined and exposing, just how problematic, methane leaks really are.

Methane Leaking From US Oil and Gas Is 8 Times Higher Than Agreed Targets, Jul 31, 2024,
https://www.newsweek.com/methane-lea...argets-1932878

US natural gas pipeline accidents pose big, unreported climate threat, March 8, 2024, Pipeline mishaps unintentionally released nearly 9.7 billion cubic feet of gas into the atmosphere between 2019 and late 2023 https://www.reuters.com/sustainabili...at-2024-03-08/

So you tell me, where is the incentive, for the "self-monitoring" and "self-reporting" O&G companies, to report the actual numbers of dirty methane leaks? Their "incentive" is too keep the methane leakage number low. As low as possible!

Unlike the often larger fines in Europe, the fines in U.S. are way below, what they should be for the climate damage caused and only amount to what is essentially a slap on the wrist. But now that there's stronger satellite monitoring, revealing a greater number of methane leaks and flares, this may force more bigger and tougher penalties.

Your link indicates methane emissions from oil and gas worldwide are 78 million tons per year. Of that, the USA accounts for about 8.5 million tons. The chart in your link says global emissions from agriculture are 142 million tons per annum, and emissions from waste are about 73 million tons. So the oil and gas industry in the USA accounts for about 2. 5% of global methane emissions.

Yes, the article says 1/3 of global methane GHG gas emissions is produced by O&G and coal companies and emit 128 million tons per year. Coal companies, although they capture far less methane than they emit, they are nonetheless, producers and sellers of dirty methane gas.

But what you fail to realize, in this report and overall what the report is telling you, is that O&G sector has been under reporting their numbers, for years. It's only until just recently that the technology has given, industry watch dogs, the means to detect, the wide spread leakages.

In this report, as much as 60% higher. In the article above, as much as 8x times higher for methane GHG gas emission, than reported or estimated.

Politicians who think like you let perfect be the enemy of good. If they're successful in banning natural gas production in and exports from the USA, the air over some cities will be somewhat more polluted, and CO2 emissions will probably be a little bit higher.

You foolishly put too much stock into winger MAGA politicians to do anything consequential, let alone "create jobs" for hard working American. We can all agree your winger job creation record, is dismal and pathetic.

And they'll put a lot of people in the USA out of jobs. On the other hand they'll create more jobs in places like Russia and Saudi Arabia.

(...kkkk!) Judging by this wrongheaded statement, I guess the irony of what the current clown show, of winger politicians and the Fuhrer/President Musk gong show, is doing, is lost on YOU, right!

Tell me again, just where exactly where is the job creation/growth, you're prattling on about, with this current MAGA admin?

[Sirioja]

USA robbers are really not welcome by Greenland, but just treated like shit, what they deserve from their behavior. Go to ski in Russia, as was told Vance in Vermont. Should add: suck Putin.

[HotDog666]

Yes, we're all fucked. But why everyone be all doom and gloom, when so many people, me included can't even be sure we can pay the rent? Who cares if there's world war 3 when homelessness is just around the corner. Jeez guys, get your priorities straight. You know why? Cause you guys have more to lose. For people like me with literally nothing, I can't wait for the apocalypse and the total collapse of the global financial markets. I want the damn world to end. We all should expire together. Let's fucking do it.

Alfred said "some men just want to watch the world burn".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbPiIwFOQtU

Hmmm, now if only NVDA would go up.

I don't wish to sound insensitive or impolite but am genuinely curious about this: how do you get yourself into a situation whereby you can't afford to pay the rent? Especially when it seems you are. Advanced in age and have had a lifetime to accumulate savings to tide through rainy days?

With regards to the American stock market, for every multi millionaire that it made on its years up (who are convinced that they are financial geniuses and not just got lucky) there's 10 who get sucker punched out. I blame social media in facilitating the idea of getting rich quickly which these Gen Z's think is their entitlement. It's probably why the west is in terminal decline, while China keeps its head down, until that day dawns when it's too late and they do hold all the cards.

[Newton York]

Yes, we're all fucked. But why everyone be all doom and gloom, when so many people, me included can't even be sure we can pay the rent? Who cares if there's world war 3 when homelessness is just around the corner. Jeez guys, get your priorities straight. You know why? Cause you guys have more to lose. For people like me with literally nothing, I can't wait for the apocalypse and the total collapse of the global financial markets. I want the damn world to end. We all should expire together. Let's fucking do it.

Alfred said "some men just want to watch the world burn".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbPiIwFOQtU

Hmmm, now if only NVDA would go up.

[EihTooms]

I am surprised at how many posts I read that seem to indicate to me that many mother fucks making comments up in here do not really understand how the United States Government works.

Article III

Section 1

The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

If the Supreme Court can rule on a case, then a district court or appellate court rulings are valid also. The President of the United States of America is NOT above the law. He is restrained by the law. The Judicial Branch is a separate but equal part of the United States Government.

Full Stop!

Making the rounds on Facebook:

If you're a little confused about what Musk is trying to achieve with DOGE, here's the breakdown:

Elon Musk and Peter Thiel cofounded a company that became PayPal.

Other executives at PayPal went on to found or lead other huge tech companies including YouTube, LinkedIn, Reddit, Affirm, and many VC firms.

This group became known as the PayPal mafia because they exerted an outsized influence on Silicon Valley.

Peter Thiel mentored a young JD Vance and helped him get set up in his first VC firm.

Peter Thiel and the PayPal mafia funded JD Vance's successful Senate run. Amazing because he had absolutely zero political experience.

Thiel and Musk all but forced Trump to choose JD Vance as VP in exchange for funding his presidential campaign.

The three of them, plus a lot of other tech billionaires subscribe to an ideology called the Dark Enlightenment espoused by this super weird, creepy dude: Curtis Yarvin aka Mencius Moldbug.

Yarvin preaches that the media and academia represent "The Cathedral" that secretly controls power and must be dismantled.

He advocates for a corporate run, monarchy, led by a CEO-Dictator.

Says that Democracy is an "outdated software" and openly opposes it and that:
- Government agencies should be dismantled and The U.S. should be broken up into "patchworks" controlled by tech oligarchs.
- That the elite tech billionaires should rule because they have the intelligence to "fix" society
- That the "masses are asses" too dumb to govern themselves.

The strategy is to gut the government via R.A.G.E - Retire All Govt Employees to make government incapable of operating.

Then to replace government with private corporations.

To eliminate elections because they are "obsolete"

To use distraction and chaos to prevent public resistance.

Trump is their useful tool to be disposed of as soon as they can wrest control.

This is why Elon wears a black MAGA hat. They are not Trump supporters, they are "Dark MAGA"

This isn't a hypothetical. The plan is already in motion:
- Musk, Thiel, and their network are actively dismantling democratic institutions.
- JD Vance, the MAGA heir, is being positioned to help implement this transition.
- The public is too distracted to realize whats happening.
- If successful, democracy in America will be permanently replaced by a corporate-run authoritarian state.
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That's it. Now that you understand that you can see how everything that's happening fits within that lens.

Now the only question is what do we do about it?

BTW, it's interesting that Jaydee Vance openly oposed Trump's War Plan decision and pointed out his blithering mental state on that Signal group chat of incompetents and DEI hires, isn't it?

Why, someone might reasonsbly conclude Jaydee Vance has more influence and protections from the REAL Powers That Be in the White House than blithering blathering Trumpty-Dumpty does himself.

Vance broke with Trump admin over Houthi airstrikes, group chat report says.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/0...-says-00245996

"I think we are making a mistake," Vance said to the group chat, which included Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, national security adviser Mike Waltz and White House chief of staff Susie Wiles, according to the report. It doesnt appear that the president was included in the group chat.

"I am not sure the president is aware how inconsistent this is with his message on Europe right now," Vance added. "Theres a further risk that we see a moderate to severe spike in oil prices. I am willing to support the consensus of the team and keep these concerns to myself. But there is a strong argument for delaying this a month, doing the messaging work on why this matters, seeing where the economy is, etc."

[Tiny 12]

Thanks for the interesting views, Tiny.

I had to look up some of the data. So you are quite correct, China has been reducing its debt holdings in Treasurys over the last several years. https://www.ceicdata.com/en/china/ho...ury-securities.

And here is what the Treasury's yield looks like: https://ycharts.com/indicators/5_year_treasury_rate#text=5%20 Year%20 Treasury%20 Rate%20 is, a%20 maturity%20 of%205%20 years.

So you can see that the yield has gone up massively, which is exactly what you would expect with these supply / demand features of China pulling out.

* You could say the Chinese are our sugar daddies. They work hard, don't consume a lot, save a lot of money. And send us lots of cheap stuff! And what do we give them in return? Paper! It's a great deal!

Precisely, it has been this symbiotic relationship which has kept America being able to fund its trade deficit. But frankly its true, this cannot carry on in perpetuity. Yes, America has been able to max out its Credit Card but just like when you or I max out ours the Hookers are Us etc Mastercard company may still fund your lifestyle but it will increase your rate, so the same applies to America (and indeed the profligate west).

* Maybe Donald will make a few key replacements at the Fed, people who will listen to his advice to keep interest rates low. Very low. In fact, negative, like Japan and Germany used to do.

That's the thing though, this is an impossibility- even if the Fed were to adjust base rates, the market rates are set by supply demand factors as mentioned above not necessarily by the base rates- the two usually correlate but they don't necessarily have to. Investors look at things like inflation, security of repayment, political risk etc. In the good old days, eg 3 years ago, investors were piling in at negative yields (not rates) into Japanese debt or even German because they were seeking safe parking for the immense amount of liquidity. What trump is doing is completely the opposite of giving safe parking for foreign money.

Just as a segue, my two cents.

America is fucked under the current scenario. You definitely need to get spending and debt under control but this is not through destroying livelihoods, social security and healthcare entitlement. Take the latter as an example: there is something rotten in the state of America. It spends more than any other country on healthcare yet it's still a bad, bad system. Is musk had any real balls, he would take it on and commit to making it cheaper AND better, like Germany or Japan or Singapore. Tinkering around the edges won't go very far. The fundamentals won't change. And the downsides of tariffs far exceed the upsides.

I cannot see a way out of this, other than a growing economy. Perhaps AI will come to the rescue.

Hey HotDog, if the Current Account / Savings / Investment relationship interests you, this may be worth a look.

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-...cit-blame-game

The person who brought my attention to the link knows more about macroeconomics than anyone I know.

My "solution" to get rid of the USA's national debt was tongue in cheek by the way. That would be a great way to go down the same path as Argentina, towards hyperinflation. But if Trump controlled the Fed, then perhaps he could keep short term rates low and refinance maturing debt with short maturity T-bills. Yes, longer term rates would be set by the market, and demand for the shorter term rates would suffer too.

I agree with you 100% about the USA's healthcare system. I'm a big admirer of Singapore's system.

[Tiny 12]

Am I Now?

You evidently DO NOT seem to understand the very quote you, Tiny 12 and Elvis 2008 are using, in which you accuse me of wanting, "the perfect solution", for the U.S. grid. If it's anybody putting words in Elvis 2008's mouth...IT IS YOU!

(...kkkk!) Did you not see where I told you, fossil fuels (especially coal) have such a low bar, that striving for "better", is NEVER hard goal to achieve! Sure dirty methane gas is "better" than coal, but not by much.

S+W+B, pumped hydro, DO NOT emit CO2 GHG emissions. Wayyyyyyyyyyyy BETTER, by light-years, than dirty methane gas!

So for your dirty methane gas, to trump coal, in reducing emissions is a joke, when "Leaking From US Oil and Gas Is 8 Times Higher Than Agreed Targets https://www.newsweek.com/methane-lea...argets-1932878. Methane gas leaks occur all the time and puts 80x more pollutants into the atmosphere than coal, when leaks occur.

I beg to differ on the baseload. Renewables (all forms) can and do provide baseload power. Renewables have already flipped the script on fossil fuel baseload power, in some places like China (certain places, with newer renewable gigawatt projects coming online nationwide every week), South Australia, Britain, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, New Zealand, California), where fossil fuels are only needed and are being used, as backup during peak demand hours.

Isn't it just like Tiny 12, to provide half-truths and obfuscate events/matters. Hey, don't forget to tell the readers, I already owned up, about being incorrect on that data point, about China, here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2986138.

But you, Tiny 12, of course continue to act all high and mighty like you've never made incorrect data point assumptions. Or shall I count the ways, of thine errors? Much like your ONGOING bag of lies and disinformation, with regards to your MAGA Fuhrer's "...beautiful clean coal" and your "clean burning methane gas" (...kkkk!)

Again, I'd trust the EPA's numbers over the greenies (Environmental Defense Fund) any day.

Methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, yes. But it only stays in the atmosphere for 10 to 12 years. CO2 is up there for hundreds of years.

And the quantities leaked from oil and gas operations in the USA are small and becoming smaller, see post below. Yes, government should continue to pressure industry to reduce methane leaks even more.

Pure methane does not contribute to dirty air. Again, it's colorless and odorless and not toxic unless breathed in sufficient quantities to crowd out Oxygen.

I challenge you to find a single city or contiguous region in the developed world with a population of over one million that only uses solar or wind power except for peak demand. I don't believe you can find a single one where battery storage is such that they can do away with fossil fuels, nuclear or hydro when the sun's not shining and the wind's not blowing.

While I have a lot of problems with Trump, thankfully he's not a Green Cultist, unlike many of the politicians in your party.

[Tiny 12]

IThe President of the United States of America is NOT above the law. He is restrained by the law. The Judicial Branch is a separate but equal part of the United States Government.

Full Stop!

Absolutely.

[Tiny 12]

Well I guess those Russian cosmonauts, were seeing more than just thousands of bright spots all over mother Russia, but all over the world, especially in the biggest areas of oil and gas (O&G) production in the U.S., according to a new study of satellite images, of methane gas flares and leaks.

Satellite images reveal the extent of methane leaks across the world, March 19th, 2025
https://www.polytechnique-insights.c...oss-the-world/

In 2022, scientists revealed significant methane emissions using TROPOMI data; two-thirds of the events are related to oil and gas production.

In 2018, a team pointed out that emissions from the oil and gas sector in the United States exceeded those estimated by the Environmental Protection Agency by 60%.

With the latest advances in better detecting dirty methane gas leaks, it has become abundantly clear, that the horrendous, dirty methane gas leaks, most often compromises it's said ability, to be cleaner than coal. But this is probably just another PR problem, right?

• The Food and O&G Industries have more in common then you'd think:
  
  Take for example, the fake labeling of the word "natural", applied to methane gas, as a marketing ploy and deceptive practices, similar to the food industry's use of "natural flavors" or "all natural".
  
  So rather then deal with the actual problems of their products, both industries, decide a "rebranding" of their products, with the use of the word "natural", would solve their PR problems.
  
  Or at the very least, it should confuse, obfuscate or obscure methane gass climate destruction, and convince consumers, their product is pure, safe, harmless and eco-friendly.

Now that dirty methane gas, can be seen for what it is, as it's spewed plumage are caught on satellite, polluting the atmosphere, the so called watch agencies (if there are any still around), can no longer leave it to good ol' O&G to "self-monitor" and "self-report", and hide, just how much, dirty methane gas (80x more potency then CO2) spew into our atmosphere.

Although, I'm sure it won't be long before the Fuhrer's cronies, cry foul and have him put the kibosh, on the technology and science.

As I've said several times, the industry in the USA should and is doing more to control methane emissions. But how big a problem are they? Your link indicates methane emissions from oil and gas worldwide are 78 million tons per year. Of that, the USA accounts for about 8.5 million tons. The chart in your link says global emissions from agriculture are 142 million tons per annum, and emissions from waste are about 73 million tons. So the oil and gas industry in the USA accounts for about 2. 5% of global methane emissions. And the emissions from agriculture are much higher than oil and gas.

If you're really concerned about methane emissions, you should give up eating meat and dairy products. Also get a Flatus Containment Device AND USE IT.

I would trust the EPA's estimate of methane emissions over a statement from climate and environmental researcher Marielle Saunois that "a team" said its estimate is 60% higher than the EPA's. She doesn't even identify the team!

It's difficult to de-program you because you don't have a handle on the chemistry and properties of natural gas.

I've been careful to say that natural gas is a "clean burning" fuel, when used for generation electricity. I never wrote that natural gas is clean. The hydrogen sulfide in some natural gases, which is removed through processing, is deadly. Furthermore, if you have an extremely low tolerance for risk, it would make sense not to use natural gas for cooking or heating your home, as the health risks which are low, are higher than for electric.

The carbon dioxide produced by the combustion of natural gas in producing electricity is not dirty, nor is pure methane. They're colorless, odorless, and don't cause death unless inhaled in massive quantities.

The quantity of particulate matter, which is the largest culprit for dirty or polluted air, produced by combustion of natural gas in power plants is insignificant. The quantity of sulfur dioxide produced by combustion of natural gas is insignificant. The quantity of nitrogen oxides is significant but half or less of coal.

Worldwide, particulate matter is responsible for 4.2 to 6.7 million premature deaths per year.

Hundreds of thousands of premature deaths can PARTLY be attributed to sulfur dioxide.

Several hundreds of thousands of premature deaths can PARTLY be attributed to NOx compounds.

I asked ChatGPT (subscription version with Python) to produce a chart showing deaths per Terawatt Hour for various energy sources and this was what it came up with:

Coal 24.6
Natural Gas 2.8
Nuclear 0.07
Solar 0.02
Wind 0.04nat

So again, if you're extremely risk intolerant, like the kind of person who's been living in a cocoon since COVID hit, maybe natural gas is not acceptable.

So how many deaths are caused by CO2 and by pure methane, as a result of global warming? Well, by some estimates, to date they've actually saved more lives than they've caused. That's because a lot more people die annually from cold than heat.

Politicians who think like you let perfect be the enemy of good. If they're successful in banning natural gas production in and exports from the USA, the air over some cities will be somewhat more polluted, and CO2 emissions will probably be a little bit higher. And they'll put a lot of people in the USA out of jobs. On the other hand they'll create more jobs in places like Russia and Saudi Arabia.