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[Rick Rock]

There have been suggestions that many Japanese customers won't frequent shops that have been "tainted" by foreigners. The % of tourists arriving at Narita who would want to rush off the planes to have a local sexual encounter would be very small. Those shops would rather loose a small amount of foreign customers, than a large amount of locals.

This makes sense to me!

It's the same in South Korea. Window girls there wouldn't take white guys in if there were any Korean men around. Once word got out that they were poisoned by foreign dick the local men would no longer use them.

Thanks for the explanation.

[AussieGaigin]

You could really say that about anything. Why don't the pink salons open? Why don't the oppai pubs? They could potentially make more money, but for some reason they would rather not let foreigners in. So they don't. I guess they don't think it's worth the potential money.

There have been suggestions that many Japanese customers won't frequent shops that have been "tainted" by foreigners. The % of tourists arriving at Narita who would want to rush off the planes to have a local sexual encounter would be very small. Those shops would rather loose a small amount of foreign customers, than a large amount of locals.

[Exoticspirit]

Chiba has 10K places, many of them. I'm going to guess they are MILFs. Many guys in Japan can barely afford 10K, so they are going to be happy at least. It's Chiba. Very few people with money there to begin with.

I don't mind MILFs especially if they are cheaper than the venues in Yoshiwara and closer to Narita airport. Just need foreigner friendly outlets in Chiba.

[JackieMarlo]

I was reading some long story about Michelle Obama earlier in the day yesterday and it included many pictures of that beauty queen. I needed something to cleanse my pallet and get that awful horrifying face out of my brain, so I booked myself a nice long deluxe massage with Sui. She looks so good. I would never get a 22 year old like this on my own. She gave me a good massage, admired my "huge cock" (it's not really), and sucked me off bareback in 69 position while I looked at her veal cutlet **** lips and tight chocolate starfish. I gushed out volumes of cum and somehow she kept sucking without losing a drop. She said "SUGOI!" with the load still in her grill, before she snuck off to the bathroom to spit out my potential posterity. Time and money well spent, I can't recommend her enough if you want to be really worshipped for an hour or two.

This is her, pics are real: https://www.tokyostyle-delivery.jp/p...d=Sui&pageID=2#Photodiary.

[Amnesia]

The girl will be middle aged, average looking, and Chinese. If that's what you want or what you can afford, go for it. I say when in Rome have sex with the Romans. So I go to the Japanese soaps that my Japanese friends like too.

Many of us are visitors and won't be able to tell whether someone isn't actually Japanese but Chinese or what the quality of a soapland is. Thus the question here.

What soapland would recommend which has Japanese ladies and is foreigner friendly?

[Rick Rock]

So would you say that this soapland: https://its-a.jp/system.php then is one of those "dirt cheap" ones with just 10,000 for 60 minutes? That almost sounds too good to be true given some of the other soapland prices I've seen. It doesn't seem to be in Yoshiwara.

There are some really cheap ones around, just remember that you get what you pay for. You can stroll into Bunny Girls soapland in Ikebukuro, give them 20,000, and moments later you'll be fucking in a soapland. The girl will be middle aged, average looking, and Chinese. If that's what you want or what you can afford, go for it.

I say when in Rome have sex with the Romans. So I go to the Japanese soaps that my Japanese friends like too.

[Rick Rock]

Rick Rock, my reply was not meant to insult you by any means. Sorry for being misunderstood.

I'm not insulted at all. I am simply saying what is.

You might go to a bar that has free drinks for women. You're not a woman. You don't get free drinks. You can complain, boycott, post reviews online. At the end of the day, you still don't get free drinks. So you either pay the price or you don't get the service.

Unless you know some way to transform yourself into a Japanese man.

[Rick Rock]

I don't understand why Chiba doesn't have more foreigner friendly soaplands since so many people will go through Narita on both longer stays as well as just layovers as I'll be doing in June. There's a huge business opportunity for enterprising Japanese to open such places up closer to Narita airport.

You could really say that about anything. Why don't the pink salons open? Why don't the oppai pubs? They could potentially make more money, but for some reason they would rather not let foreigners in. So they don't. I guess they don't think it's worth the potential money.

[Exoticspirit]

Chiba has 10K places, many of them. I'm going to guess they are MILFs. Many guys in Japan can barely afford 10K, so they are going to be happy at least. It's Chiba. Very few people with money there to begin with.

I've posted before about how much cheaper other cities are than Tokyo and Osaka, in many cases literally half the cost due to rent. Rent is by far their greatest expense. Oppai pubs in Nagoya cost roughly half as much as they did in Tokyo. That said, if a place is soapland you can expect fs and it's included. Whereas if it's delivery health, you have to negotiate extra for it.

I don't understand why Chiba doesn't have more foreigner friendly soaplands since so many people will go through Narita on both longer stays as well as just layovers as I'll be doing in June. There's a huge business opportunity for enterprising Japanese to open such places up closer to Narita airport.

[Traveler X]

So would you say that this soapland: https://its-a.jp/system.php then is one of those "dirt cheap" ones with just 10,000 for 60 minutes? That almost sounds too good to be true given some of the other soapland prices I've seen. It doesn't seem to be in Yoshiwara.

Chiba has 10K places, many of them. I'm going to guess they are MILFs. Many guys in Japan can barely afford 10K, so they are going to be happy at least. It's Chiba. Very few people with money there to begin with.

I've posted before about how much cheaper other cities are than Tokyo and Osaka, in many cases literally half the cost due to rent. Rent is by far their greatest expense. Oppai pubs in Nagoya cost roughly half as much as they did in Tokyo. That said, if a place is soapland you can expect fs and it's included. Whereas if it's delivery health, you have to negotiate extra for it.

It's part of the reason why Kira Kira is good value, it is 35 minutes from Shibuya by express train (about $2), and you end up saving a lot of money as a result. But Yokohama is not quite countryside like Nagoya or Chiba, just halfway there in terms of rent and costs. You see this with even food, with the exact same meal costing almost half as much in some other prefectures than Tokyo. Think of Tokyo like NYC in that regard.

I was just referring to one of my previous post where I did some check about the price system and I was very unhappy to see places charging foreigners with exagorated prices compared to the local ones. I was also saying that there are enough places that do offer reasonable price system compared to the local one with foreigner tax being not as high as in Casanova. I wanted to let people judge after seeing the huge difference in the price system.

The general question is whether we should should enable such high prices or use foreigner-friendly places, also in price terms.

Next time I'm in Japan I'll take a "city hike" and pass through Yoshiwara again. I have low expectations but a high budget, so I'll just drop in a few of the soaplands that are foreigner friendly and see what girls they have and what they'll charge me. I can speak Japanese but I'm obviously foreigner. I even had a Japanese American friend who spoke nearly perfect Japanese - and they wanted to charge him the foreigner tax. Even when faced with this, what I'd do is be polite and say thank you before leaving. I don't do drama, and I want the next foreigner to be welcome there too. On my list are 10 soaplands in Yoshiwara, some with fetish concepts, some ultra-luxury, and I'll just see what I can get. If I'm not welcome, it's all good I move on.

Unfortunately, shops come and go. I've described shops like New Hot Point, Hadaka no Ousama, and the kidnap scenario shop but they have all closed or rebranded (it is now train harass scenario). I don't have the time to try everything every time. But I'll always try one or two new concepts. Last time, I actually tried a proper hostess club for example. All I did was walk into Manzoku and they sent me to a legit shop. I've used them over 20 years without a single problem, and it's how I'll try out my next fetish shop too. Whatever they have available, because as I said shops come and go.

[Blackhawk Nb]

This is great advice thanks. I do plan to have a longer stay next year when I could take my time and feel things out. However for this one trip in June, I'm actually coming back from southeast Asia to North America with a 9 hour layover in Narita. So I have only the one trip into town and back out. With this in mind, I would be quite disappointed if I end up with a session without any full service vaginal sex so I want to ensure that I do get it but also at an acceptable price of course. So the venues where it's no question that vaginal sex will be included will work best for my short stay.

It is one hour from Narita to Tokyo center. I guess that you can make it if you are focused in your plans and know where to go.

Usually people mention Kira Kira and GFE Soapland as stopover points when coming from Haneda airport which is on the other side of Tokyo city.

In your case, I have no good recommendation because I did not look for FS in soap lands during my previous visit. Just do not be disappointed if there won't be any FS included in the session. The soapland experience with Nuru gel massage which is sure to include BBBJ is quite interesting for a first time experience with the Japanese industry.

There are other things you can do in the room which are officially shown to you on your arrival to the store and even in the website. For example, in Osaka, I have visited Club Amour and it is clear from the photo instruction manual that the desk person shows you what will happen in the room. For example, only from 80 minutes and longer you will have two shots in one session compared to shorter times. He even told me with facial and hand signs that this service will be a BJ happy ending massage.

Please search this forum posts to look for the 100% sure places for FS, although I am not sure anyone can guarantee that to you if the girl is different than that mentioned in the posts.

Good luck in your search and please report back so we could all learn.

[Blackhawk Nb]

If you're not Japanese, and you don't speak Japanese, this information is irrelevant.

Last night I paid a woman $200 for sex. Today she will go home and fuck her boyfriend for free.

I don't get mad that she charged me $200 and gave it to her boyfriend for free.

I am not her boyfriend. I am me. For me, she charges $200.

Rick Rock, my reply was not meant to insult you by any means. Sorry for being misunderstood.

Your choices are your own and you are entitled by any means to pay what you think is worth what you desire to have. If Casanova is more convenient to you and the girls are prettier than other places, and it worth the difference in price or you do not care about it, that is cool with me.

I was just referring to one of my previous post where I did some check about the price system and I was very unhappy to see places charging foreigners with exagorated prices compared to the local ones. I was also saying that there are enough places that do offer reasonable price system compared to the local one with foreigner tax being not as high as in Casanova. I wanted to let people judge after seeing the huge difference in the price system.

The general question is whether we should should enable such high prices or use foreigner-friendly places, also in price terms.

[Rick Rock]

And then people here should understand the price difference between the Japanese price system and the foreigner price system:

If you're not Japanese, and you don't speak Japanese, this information is irrelevant.

Last night I paid a woman $200 for sex. Today she will go home and fuck her boyfriend for free.

I don't get mad that she charged me $200 and gave it to her boyfriend for free.

I am not her boyfriend. I am me. For me, she charges $200.

[Amnesia]

The "two fee" rate system where there is a bathing fee and a girl fee is mainly a Yoshiwara thing. It is common in Yoshiwara, uncommon outside of Yoshiwara. As for pricing, you have to understand there are dirt cheap soaplands that are $70 and ultra-luxury soaplands that are $1000.

So would you say that this soapland: https://its-a.jp/system.php then is one of those "dirt cheap" ones with just 10,000 for 60 minutes? That almost sounds too good to be true given some of the other soapland prices I've seen. It doesn't seem to be in Yoshiwara.

[Exoticspirit]

The last article says it all. The services offered by the girl are room dependent and sometime can be booked with the shop itself (under the extra services list available in the shop).

The question about what is going on in the room is always interesting and there is some sort of ceremony. Some will tell you that the actual act starts after the mat play and before the bed play. The girl will offer you something to drink and this will be the mark for you to ask. Once you'll be familiar with the scene and more comfort in the room you will be able to communicate with the girl and ask for services, starting from those which can be done legally, I. E. Only vaginal sex is illegal.

However, here comes the issue. If the girl falls in love with you or knows you then vaginal sex is allowed. One thing that happens in the red light district is that the girl sitting in the window-like store next to the mama-san will wave you and offer you a drink or something else during the meeting. This is their way to say, now things are allowed because you know eachother and fell in love with you. It sounds stupid but this is how they bypass the regulations. Of course, communication and obvious hints are important so do not jump on the girl once you ard being offered a drink. Be smart and check what is possible and what isn't inside closed doors with the girl.

The last article you quoted indeed explains the procedure. There is a buildup of the aex activity toward the bed activity and indeed before that you will be offered a drink. I suggest to try your chances then with prior communication with the girl before the session starts and inside closed doors. It is always good to have some jokes with the girls aboug what is allowed and what is not and maybe by playing "ignorant" she will show you the way if indeed available.

The experts in this forum are probably more experienced than me and know how to approach the girl and how to meet their goals. As I have said from the beginning, FS is available everywhere else in the world. Naughty and crazy stuff like AF with the girl, deepthroat and facefucking with mask, Robot play, cosplays, forced squirting, variety of sex toys, BDSM tools, 3 P and so on are sometimes more pricy and less available and the crazy scene in Japan is filling this gap on the expense of that being "legal" service compared to the hidden service of FS.

This is great advice thanks. I do plan to have a longer stay next year when I could take my time and feel things out. However for this one trip in June, I'm actually coming back from southeast Asia to North America with a 9 hour layover in Narita. So I have only the one trip into town and back out. With this in mind, I would be quite disappointed if I end up with a session without any full service vaginal sex so I want to ensure that I do get it but also at an acceptable price of course. So the venues where it's no question that vaginal sex will be included will work best for my short stay.