Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[PgReal]

This rings 100% true.

As opposed to you, I have been very successful pulling girls off dating sites (Thais and Asian Foreigners), I enjoy how genuine they are. However, they become extremely clingy to the point that it takes more effort to get them off your back than to get them into bed.

Rules: Never bring them to your place, Ever, and always buy prepaid sim cards when you play.

It's a lot easier to visit a massage place and then go about your business. But it eventually gets pld quick.

You are contradicting yourself there slightly, you are successful with the dating sites, but easier to visit a MP. Just have an exit strategy ready when the girl arrives at your hotel or condo, tell up at the start, you need to work later or will be getting up dead early to go travelling. Some story in case you want to ditch her. I do agree after a couple of hours they become like clingy kids especially when they start getting hungry. I can't be doing with having to feed them, at that point it's here is a tip to buy yourself some food on your way home!

But on a related point, A lot of newbies go to a lot of trouble trying to either bypass hotel reception or to find a hotel that doesn't ask for the 'guest' to deposit their ID on the way in. I strongly recommend that you do get the girl to check in with reception first and take comfort in the fact that hotel or condo reception is watching out for you!

I speak from a couple of personal bad experiences. The obvious one is theft, but I've pulled a couple off dating sites that have turned out to be a bit deranged or psycho. One stalked me for a couple of days after our date including coming back into the hotel and trying to get up to my room. She tried a 2nd time telling the maid she had left the keycard inside. This was a couple of minutes after I left. The hotel staff caught her and threw her out but said she had clearly been watching for me to leave. They said that type of thing happens quite often to guests.

I was also in the NANA inn one day (the one with the 2nd building at the back with no security on the lift). An obvious ladyboy arrived at my door, quite aggressive clearly looking to get money out of me. It didn't bother me but at the same time it got me thinking, if 2 or 3 scammers arrived at the door there wasn't really anyone to call for help, there was no reception in that back building at all.

[Zam007]

That's why I don't often go down on chicks, if she's got fresh cum in there, oh no. That's definitely a bad day. Also, remember what happened to Michael Douglas! When it comes to kissing, that's why alcohol is awesome, natural disinfectant right there. A coupla shots of whisky for you, a few shots of bourbon for her, then feel free to tongue wrestle. You're welcome!

That's a good reminder about the Alcohol.

But apparently using mouth wash with alcohol content can kill the sex drive along with beneficial bacteria. Which is strange. I do remember reading about that and these doctors too mentioned it.

[Newton York]

They have their ways of driving a point. Not the exact words they used but from what I can remember they said something like "Girls may look pretty on the outside, but they are as contaminated as a public men's toilet. Would we rub our dicks in urinary bowls? So, he was basically trying to remind me to use condoms." Always wash mouth preferably with non alcoholic mouth wash if we were going down for a long time and then kiss and vice versa". And some more short advices which we already know.

Thai men have contacts with local girls with whom they can do what they want for the price due to the mutual trust and their attention to their health. So, they don't actually have this problem that we tourists have.

BTW. This is what he and his buddy who is also a doctor advised me. I am already as careful as I can be. Like I said, I don't raw hookers.

I get the risk, and I very rarely go bareback with a working girl. But sometimes a guy just has to fuck. And sometimes even a working chick just has to fuck. And when that happens, all logic and precaution goes out the window. And it can be gross, but that's what post nut clarity is about, if you get away with it without catching the herps or any other std, you'll think twice about going raw with a working girl, or even a civilian chick for that matter. You won't know where her pussy has been.

That's why I don't often go down on chicks, if she's got fresh cum in there, oh no. That's definitely a bad day. Also, remember what happened to Michael Douglas! When it comes to kissing, that's why alcohol is awesome, natural disinfectant right there. A coupla shots of whisky for you, a few shots of bourbon for her, then feel free to tongue wrestle. You're welcome!

[Doggus]

Almost every MP in and around Suk will do it if the girl is into you. Even the "health massages." And 98% of shops in Pity ya. That's why it is important to choose your masseuse carefully by eyeing her down and winking at her. This be the rapport part. Remember to tell them you are looking for wifey material in the Land of Smiles. So if you see a shop offering 200 baht massages. Tip about 2 X for HJ. Feel free to touch and squeeze. Let your intentions be known without suggesting with words. I always find the cuties in the 150 massage and tip 300. Then again. I strip butt nekkid from the start. Let it all hang loose. Lick my teeth and moan during my massages. Then do some groping on the FLIP side. This always results in her finger pointing to my shawarma with a smile and a nod. If not, I pull a Deshaun Watson and put her hand there when she massages my thighs. It's my money and I want it now mentality. Pure Machiavelli style slow edge tip only. Remember to squeeze those buttocks and make her go tug boat on the tiny twins. Get your most out of that 150+spent. I have found some gems who will throw in a quick lick and suck without asking for more. No CIM though. Guess I made them horned up and wet that they got into the mood. The gift to please is a gift indeed.

Haha excellent response that made me laugh. You are clearly a man who knows the drill inside out. Thanks for the insight!

[NicFrenchy]

Hey folks,

Can anyone recommend a clean budget / mid range MP that predominantly offers an HJ finish only? I don't want to pay FS prices when I just want is to lay back, relax and get a happy ending.

Thanks.

Many massage shops in Sukhumvit 22 (not the notorious nuru ones) will do that. Walk in and talk to the cashier / manager, tell her you want massage and Chuck-wow (or gesture hand). She will assign a girl that will do this. What you don't want is to go to these places and end up with the girl that does not offer any "special". (Some shops forbid it, but they know it happens).

[NicFrenchy]

we're paying them to leave.

This rings 100% true.

As opposed to you, I have been very successful pulling girls off dating sites (Thais and Asian Foreigners), I enjoy how genuine they are. However, they become extremely clingy to the point that it takes more effort to get them off your back than to get them into bed.

Rules: Never bring them to your place, Ever, and always buy prepaid sim cards when you play.

It's a lot easier to visit a massage place and then go about your business. But it eventually gets pld quick.

[JoshAllen]

Almost every MP in and around Suk will do it if the girl is into you. Even the "health massages." And 98% of shops in Pity ya. That's why it is important to choose your masseuse carefully by eyeing her down and winking at her. This be the rapport part. Remember to tell them you are looking for wifey material in the Land of Smiles. So if you see a shop offering 200 baht massages. Tip about 2 X for HJ. Feel free to touch and squeeze. Let your intentions be known without suggesting with words. I always find the cuties in the 150 massage and tip 300. Then again. I strip butt nekkid from the start. Let it all hang loose. Lick my teeth and moan during my massages. Then do some groping on the FLIP side. This always results in her finger pointing to my shawarma with a smile and a nod. If not, I pull a Deshaun Watson and put her hand there when she massages my thighs. It's my money and I want it now mentality. Pure Machiavelli style slow edge tip only. Remember to squeeze those buttocks and make her go tug boat on the tiny twins. Get your most out of that 150+spent. I have found some gems who will throw in a quick lick and suck without asking for more. No CIM though. Guess I made them horned up and wet that they got into the mood. The gift to please is a gift indeed.

Have you ever tried to meet up with any of them during their off time? That would be cool.

[ElMexicant]

Hey folks,

Can anyone recommend a clean budget / mid range MP that predominantly offers an HJ finish only? I don't want to pay FS prices when I just want is to lay back, relax and get a happy ending.

Thanks.

Almost every MP in and around Suk will do it if the girl is into you. Even the "health massages." And 98% of shops in Pity ya. That's why it is important to choose your masseuse carefully by eyeing her down and winking at her. This be the rapport part. Remember to tell them you are looking for wifey material in the Land of Smiles. So if you see a shop offering 200 baht massages. Tip about 2 X for HJ. Feel free to touch and squeeze. Let your intentions be known without suggesting with words. I always find the cuties in the 150 massage and tip 300. Then again. I strip butt nekkid from the start. Let it all hang loose. Lick my teeth and moan during my massages. Then do some groping on the FLIP side. This always results in her finger pointing to my shawarma with a smile and a nod. If not, I pull a Deshaun Watson and put her hand there when she massages my thighs. It's my money and I want it now mentality. Pure Machiavelli style slow edge tip only. Remember to squeeze those buttocks and make her go tug boat on the tiny twins. Get your most out of that 150+spent. I have found some gems who will throw in a quick lick and suck without asking for more. No CIM though. Guess I made them horned up and wet that they got into the mood. The gift to please is a gift indeed.

[Doggus]

Hey folks,

Can anyone recommend a clean budget / mid range MP that predominantly offers an HJ finish only? I don't want to pay FS prices when I just want is to lay back, relax and get a happy ending.

Thanks.

[Paolo99]

Based on everything I have read recently about these PSE Shops, apparently the only thing I have done "wrong" is I have only been choosing ladies among the "20%" or so of better lookers, sometimes the only good looking one in the shop, who comply with the same P4 P Law of Gravity that I had mistakenly assumed places like Tulip and Snow White had miraculously defied but clearly they have not; that the best looking girls in a bar, shop or any other P4 P venue are the most likely to give weak service and most definitely least likely to allow BBFSCIP with a first time customer.

Part of my mistake was in believing a lot of nonsense here about how Anything Goes With Tulip Girls and Snow White Girls, They Never Say No, Never Disappoint, that as long as you're a nice guy and treat them well, BBFSCIP is almost a certainty without even discussing it up front.

I've gone to SW multiple times since 2015 and had some great sessions there pre covid, and one post covid. I'm a go with the flow guy too and never ask specific services (except Anal in a shop like SW because I know every girls will provide it) and I can tell you I never ever had BBFS there (or even in Tulip the one and only time I went there). I don't even recall having done BBFS in any other massage shops, and I sessionned a lot in some of these places. Some of them I'm pretty sure I tried to get it but got refused.

I don't doubt people had some great service in these shops in the past, but nowadays I don't see any reason to go there except for getting A+ and rimming. These two services are the only ones I find more difficult to get elsewhere than in SW, and the girls in other places can be much better looking too.

[Zam007]

Soon this group of guys will start a forum for HIV or Oh! My dick is falling off.

Once in a while being reminded to take precautions are good. We need to enjoy our lives as long as possible without it all going to shit by one small mistake.

From what I have observed, mongering can be as much fun as driving racing cars as long as we take the necessary precautions.

Let's just have fun by being mindful of what we are doing.

I think I will stop discussing about that topic for now as I don't want to needlessly divert it into some argument.

(Not saying TConor is arguing).

[Newton York]

And Western women are a pain in the keister. P4 P is just the way to go.
I absolutely love your posts and your candor.

Yes, P4 P is absolutely the way to go. I couldn't agree more. But for me it's so different though cause I was hardly ever able to get chicks here the normal way. Cause I've always been very ugly, now I have the bonus of being old. But when I was a much younger man decades ago I had a so called love of my life, but she tore me to shreds. Somehow she was able to see past my looks, but ironically she wanted to change everything else about me. I never want to feel pain like that again.

It's like they say isn't it? When we fuck prostitutes, we're paying them to leave.

[EihTooms]

With all due respect Tooms, I think what you are trying to say is that you choose the best looking and youngest girls and that's why you don't get BBFS CIP easily in these shops or even from any bar girl or freelancer. That then helps you justify why because if they are the best, they won't give it up easily. However, to imply that others are having more success because their chosen ladies are uglier or older is just not true. For me it's very simple. I choose the best looking girl in every shop I go to. Every bar I go to. This is of course my opinion, but in my mind the girl I choose is the best one. Knowing that, I have a great success rate at going with the flow because of the way I carry myself and my reputation. Part of that reputation is I'm known to tip very well. The girls all know that in the bars and massage shops I go to. I don't care about money when I monger. That's it. If a girl makes me happy, I take care of her. Anyways, hope this helps. I'm still jealous of your Thermae success rate though. When I go there, I maybe think too much. It takes me a while to choose.

Yet I have read in your reports that your first choice in a shop or bar, presumably the one that immediately passed for the best looker in your view, might not pass your "spidy sense" for ever agreeing to BBFSCIP with you this night and so you drop the effort to pursue her and move on to someone else, also presumably NOT the best looker in the shop or bar. Haven't I read that?

Which is essentially the same thing I do. And a bunch of other BB punters as well. That doesn't mean we then go to the ugliest girls in the room. Although sometimes that would be unavoidable in the case of the 2-3 so-called PSE Shops that have been in discussion here. Or, as I and others have done, we don't choose anyone and just move on to another venue.

I don't think anyone's way of carrying himself or his reputation results in him getting BBFSCIP with his first choice and assessment to be the best looker in a bar or shop every time in every bar or shop even if his reputation is to tip big time every time.

With all due respect back at you, and I really mean it, several of your field reports, even the ones where you describe your methods and "go with the flow" approach contradicts what you are saying here and now.

[TConor]

I don't know if this is the right thread and I am sure it has been covered, but hearing this from a doctor who goes to boom boom and little Thai bunga bunga sessions regularly, really reinforced the seriousness in these issues.

They have their ways of driving a point. Not the exact words they used but from what I can remember they said something like "Girls may look pretty on the outside, but they are as contaminated as a public men's toilet. Would we rub our dicks in urinary bowls? So, he was basically trying to remind me to use condoms." Always wash mouth preferably with non alcoholic mouth wash if we were going down for a long time and then kiss and vice versa". And some more short advices which we already know.

Apart from Bacara and another gogo (which Thais say is a joke for the price they charge), majority of the gogo bars there have girls come and go. They are not well educated or informed when it comes to these things. They are not as assertive to the clients when the clients demand something unreasonable. Another factor seems to be the fact that girls are cheap there.

They may quote 6 k for LT, but you can easily bring it down to 2.5 k as I've seen some of my friends do. Of course, 2.5 k is excluding the lady drink and barfine. Hence the chances of those girls coming in contact with people with lower sense of hygiene is higher.


Thai men have contacts with local girls with whom they can do what they want for the price due to the mutual trust and their attention to their health. So, they don't actually have this problem that we tourists have.

BTW. This is what he and his buddy who is also a doctor advised me. I am already as careful as I can be. Like I said, I don't raw hookers.

And this was discussion about the girls from Soi Cowboy.

Not a big expert in picking up girls from GOGO bars. I have had more success with picking up girls from TF for free than picking one good one from gogo bars for a lot of reasons. I will save that for another day.

Soon this group of guys will start a forum for HIV or Oh! My dick is falling off.

[EverythingThai]

Based on everything I have read recently about these PSE Shops, apparently the only thing I have done "wrong" is I have only been choosing ladies among the "20%" or so of better lookers, sometimes the only good looking one in the shop, who comply with the same P4 P Law of Gravity that I had mistakenly assumed places like Tulip and Snow White had miraculously defied but clearly they have not; that the best looking girls in a bar, shop or any other P4 P venue are the most likely to give weak service and most definitely least likely to allow BBFSCIP with a first time customer.

Part of my mistake was in believing a lot of nonsense here about how Anything Goes With Tulip Girls and Snow White Girls, They Never Say No, Never Disappoint, that as long as you're a nice guy and treat them well, BBFSCIP is almost a certainty without even discussing it up front.

However, the apparent reality is that there is still the 20%, 10% or let's say 5% of the girls in those shops as there is everywhere who will not allow BBFSCIP and not coincidentally they are likely to be the youngest and best looking in those shops, the same Law of P4 P Gravity that exists everywhere else.

So I don't think there is anything remarkable about the math for a punter like me who has only ever chosen the best looking girl in the lineup to also only be choosing from among that 20%, 10% or let's say 5% of girls who will most assuredly say NO to BBFSCIP with any first time customer.

It wouldn't be a remarkable outcome if the score was 50 NO's out of 50 tries for a customer who only chose from among that 5%. So for sure I don't see anything remarkable about it being 12 No's out of 12 tries in those shops over the years of only stopping in to take someone 1-2 times in a year at most as it has been for me.

By stark contrast, if I was a customer who frequented those shops, stopped into one or both every week or two, just chose any random girl or whoever is new or perhaps with the goal of sessioning with every girl in the shop, and all of it regardless whether they are the best looking one in the shop or not, I feel quite certain my rate of success in getting no discussion, no hassle BBFSCIP would be the same "80%" or so I have read some of the more frequent patrons of those shops claim.

I don't recall anyone ever claiming in these threads that they get no discussion, no hassle BBFSCIP with every girl who works or has ever worked in Tulip and Snow White over the past 12 years.

Is anybody claiming that?

So let's say "80%" of the girls in those shops will deliver it to virtually anyone on a 1st session and 20% won't.

Now, wouldn't that be a more realistic way of assessing it than suggesting every girl in those shops will deliver it to any nice guy who brushed his teeth and changed his socks that day?

Then, imo, this has been a worthwhile side topic in this thread for anyone who has been led to believe otherwise about those shops.

Actually, if my mission was to session with every girl at Tulip and Snow White over this next month regardless of their age, weight and level of attractiveness, I dare say my rare good looks, uncommonly compelling charm, impeccable hygiene and reputation for being the nicest guy in Thailand would probably result in as much as an 85% success rate in getting no discussion, no hassle BBFSCIP in those shops! LOL.

But then I would have to session with a lot of ladies I never would have chosen if not for committing to that challenge. So there is that.

With all due respect Tooms, I think what you are trying to say is that you choose the best looking and youngest girls and that's why you don't get BBFS CIP easily in these shops or even from any bar girl or freelancer. That then helps you justify why because if they are the best, they won't give it up easily. However, to imply that others are having more success because their chosen ladies are uglier or older is just not true. For me it's very simple. I choose the best looking girl in every shop I go to. Every bar I go to. This is of course my opinion, but in my mind the girl I choose is the best one. Knowing that, I have a great success rate at going with the flow because of the way I carry myself and my reputation. Part of that reputation is I'm known to tip very well. The girls all know that in the bars and massage shops I go to. I don't care about money when I monger. That's it. If a girl makes me happy, I take care of her. Anyways, hope this helps. I'm still jealous of your Thermae success rate though. When I go there, I maybe think too much. It takes me a while to choose.