Hong Kong Club Reports

[Hadez]

Ok I get it. I relate with a lot of what you are saying. I am with you on a lot of what you saying.

It is not hard for me to find girls who enjoy spending time with me. I treat them like they want to be treated in terms of like a lady / loca. I make sure they are happy with the financial arrangement. They do things as women and locas that I need as a man. Typically the girl starts failing on her part in some way while I remain consistent. All good, I can find another in 1 or 2 visits to the clubs. Sometimes a replacement can be found in a matter of hours. I would prefer one but I also understand this can be difficult for a person to navigate the feelings+business that will come up.

In terms of does a girl like you, do you make her climax? The clitoris does not lie once a guy knows what he is doing. I can tell quickly if a girl actually likes me or not. That is just step 1. Is she even available emotionally for what the monger wants? A lot of these girls will limit what they do with mongers because they have a guy they sharing the money with they get from working. I guess it all comes down to what exactly a monger wants from the girl. How much is good for the monger?

The "relationship" part is complicated. Sex work is so looked down on in so many areas of life it is hard to find the needed support to understand how to balance the relationship+work. Any balance between money and relationship can be difficult to negotiate even in other business. In sex work it is next level complicated.

I was running strong with one and a good friend asked me if we did get into a "relationship" do I want her to stop working? Hell no. The loca is working to support her kid, her mother, and her younger bother and sister. I can not support all of that. This on top of I have met VERY few who are good with their money considering their business. Yea I met one who is managing her expenses well while working at the club. Props to her. I met another one who is managing her expenses and finances so well she could probably qualify for a VISA to the the USA all on her own. ALL the rest could learn a lot from these two girls.

Man, I've been to that mountaintop and back. People might say I'm crazy but I liked the thrill of it. I still do, but I'm more cautious now.

If a relationship opportunity presented itself, would I take it? Maybe, I don't know. I mean, anyone who spends there free time going to a w****house must have deep psychological issues, right? I'm probably as fucked up as any of the girls in there, so it's actually a good match. lol

But in the short term, if I take a girl OTC, all I really want to know is that the girl likes being there. That's basically it. Then they get the money plus a fun time. That is satisfying to me. But I get scared of easily if I feel she's not down for it.

I don't go looking for free sex. I don't have a lot of "game" so to speak. And all that game stuff just seems like a lot of work anyway so you might as well just spend the money. Spending the money has always been easier and more natural than anything else, for me.

And, if a girl likes you and you have good chemistry, she's likely going to give you a good deal. Not free, mind you, but a good deal. If it really isn't that much "work" for her to be with you she is going to give you perks. If she thinks you're an ugly boring dude and she just tolerates you for the money, you're going to have to pay the ugly boring dude price.

[HK Monger]

Let me clarify what I meant by Client / Provider relationship vs looking for more.

To me, a client / provider relationship is when she views time spent with you as work that she needs to be paid for. She may feign interest, but she really has no interest in you, sexually or otherwise, and would not spend time with you except under the condition that you pay her.

To move beyond this doesn't mean that she is "in love with you. " or that she is now your girlfriend. It simply means that she likes spending time with you, and enjoys the sex with you, so that it is understood that it really isn't a great deal of work for her to be there. Any money she receives is now just a bonus to an already fun time. In addition, she may at this time let you into her life a bit and you may get to know her circle of friends, or you may become "one of the gang". You can go into a deeper relationship from here but it's really not necessary.

If you are in the first category you are hurting. It is necessary to move into the second category to get any reasonable deal. I guess if you are rich and can just throw any amount of money at women this might not even matter that much to you, but I'm not in that boat. Thus, I need to gauge a girls level of interest carefully before preceding.

[HK Monger]

So you are actually trying to turn a working girl into a "relationship" of some kind?

I mean whatever makes you happy but have you considered what this ride will be like? Or you just trying to get free sex from a girl who sells sex as her job?

Man, I've been to that mountaintop and back. People might say I'm crazy but I liked the thrill of it. I still do, but I'm more cautious now.

If a relationship opportunity presented itself, would I take it? Maybe, I don't know. I mean, anyone who spends there free time going to a w****house must have deep psychological issues, right? I'm probably as fucked up as any of the girls in there, so it's actually a good match. lol

But in the short term, if I take a girl OTC, all I really want to know is that the girl likes being there. That's basically it. Then they get the money plus a fun time. That is satisfying to me. But I get scared of easily if I feel she's not down for it.

I don't go looking for free sex. I don't have a lot of "game" so to speak. And all that game stuff just seems like a lot of work anyway so you might as well just spend the money. Spending the money has always been easier and more natural than anything else, for me.

And, if a girl likes you and you have good chemistry, she's likely going to give you a good deal. Not free, mind you, but a good deal. If it really isn't that much "work" for her to be with you she is going to give you perks. If she thinks you're an ugly boring dude and she just tolerates you for the money, you're going to have to pay the ugly boring dude price.

[Zenduka1]

Well, I wouldn't go with a girl if I though I was going to be just. A "client". Would any guy? I 100% expect more than that, or at least the potential for more than that. Otherwise, it's just not worth it.

It's actually a fallacy to believe that just because a girl works at HK, you are relegated to being her client in some kind of business relationship. They are just ordinary girls when it comes down to it. They can like you or not like you just like an a girl you meet in everyday life.

They can like you or not, just like any other woman—but money has to always be part of the equation. An HK girl (or any working girl) usually isn’t comfortable if a former client treats her like just any regular woman. Once they know you’re aware they’re putas, they relax more as long as money stays in the picture. Outside of that, no puta really chills with you for long—at least, not usually. There are whole movies about this kind of dynamic.

Also, it depends on the arrangement, but her time with you has to be worth her while in some way, even if no cash changes hands. And honestly, you could argue that all interactions between men and women come down to what each person gets out of it.

[Zenduka1]

How many HK putas have you had sex with otc without giving them any cash? How many have you done that with more than once?

If I don't pay, I can't fack.

[AmorPorFavor]

One more thing. The worst case is when a guy says "I'm going to pay you X dollars to do this with me" and then starts acting like she's his girlfriend. Then the guy is deluded. My technique is to draw the girls out and see what their true intentions are. And the way you do that is obviously not promising any money and see how they react. If she closes the door on any prospects beyond a client / provider relationship, we keep in in the club. If she leaves the door open, we proceed.

How many HK putas have you had sex with otc without giving them any cash? How many have you done that with more than once?

[Theo TheMonger]

This is some of the best tactical advice, and one of the best posts, that I have seen in a long time. Thank you.

Just to add on to the discussion, don't just go around asking for quotes in HK. Talk to the girls for a little bit and then ask if they will go upstairs for $100. From my experiences, half the time they will say yes. Some might say it's not enough, but will accept $120. Very few will stand firm at 140/150. Which if they do, just move onto the next if that's too high for you. Sometimes you guys act like we're forced to pay these prices. Also don't just stick to HK. Go do some rounds of Chicago and Tropical where the girls are a lot more reasonable and open to fair offers.

Sometimes I'll just go off of vibes and will take them arriba without any discussion of money. If the session goes good I give them $120.

I think I have only had one girl, maybe two, ever ask for a little more after giving her that. If the session is bad (super rare) or mediocre I give them $100. The only time this was ever an issue was at Adelitas and I asked for a manager to step in and he surprisingly sided with me.

[Hadez]

So you are actually trying to turn a working girl into a "relationship" of some kind?

I mean whatever makes you happy but have you considered what this ride will be like? Or you just trying to get free sex from a girl who sells sex as her job?

Well, I wouldn't go with a girl if I though I was going to be just. A "client". Would any guy? I 100% expect more than that, or at least the potential for more than that. Otherwise, it's just not worth it.

It's actually a fallacy to believe that just because a girl works at HK, you are relegated to being her client in some kind of business relationship. They are just ordinary girls when it comes down to it. They can like you or not like you just like an a girl you meet in everyday life. I know this from personal experience. I think the secret to HK is to actually realize this important fact and not somehow put the girls on a pedestal. This is hard for some guys becuase they do get all made up and present themselves as some kind of sexual fantasy, but believe me, they don't look as good the morning after. They are just normal girls.

Now, what a lot of guys get wrong is thinking they are going to jump into a non-client relationship with these girls. That's not going to happen, in general. If it's been all too easy, then, yes, you are still her client. You have to put in the time and effort to get past the client stage. Most all women, no matter what thier background, expect this time and effort to be put in order to actually let you into their lives.

For reference, the last girl I took out of the club asked me out, not the other way around. She was crazy about me (actually, she was just plain crazy, looking back). A girl like that only comes around once in a blue moon though.

[Hadez]

The details of your post indicate to me that possibly you thought you were going to get a free good time. That can happen. Obviously that is not what was on her mind.

These ladies are selling a fantasy as a job. A good business lady will make sure the expectations she has are known the first time going otc with a guy.

Have seen many locas otc. There is always a discussion on money expected the first time. The next otc visits money is never discussed. After the time in the club and the one visit these locas know they can trust me. If I am flying them into Tijuana I will bring it up before buying the plane ticket just to make sure we are on same page. I think this arrangement is fantastic. Their performance is what makes the time amazing.

Many USA sex workers want to set up so many boundaries usually defined by their pimp or someone acting like a pimp for them. These latinas deserve awards for the performances I get. USA girls are so cold I can see why some mongers may actually think they are going to be special to a girl who is just on the clock for her job.

Seen some guys think they are being worked for a visa. This happens too. Multiple girls I have seen have no interest coming to the USA. Some do of course but it is not 100% of the girls in Latin America like some people think.

I see her a couple more times over the coming weeks. Same result. She's young, cute, and basically my type, so finally I ask her if she is free any day so we can potentially do something outside the club. She says "sure" and is recommending places we could go, which I interpret as another good sign. When we finish for the night, I indicate that I am going to text her next week to make arrangements. As we part ways, she say to me "you are going to text me, right?" and I say "yeah".

So the next week I am texting her and the deal is almost sealed when she drops this, "You are going to pay me to go out with you, right?" Damn, so close. I try to be as nice as possible. I tell her that, yes, I was going to make it worth her while, but asking so directly makes it feel transactional and that I'm not looking for just an Escort. The says that she needs to work and that she's not looking for a boyfriend for the time being. The moment being ruined, I say, "oh well maybe another time. ".

So basically she's off the table for now. Though I will concede that she may just be inexperienced and not understand how the long game works. She is pretty fun for the short game, though, so I may still go with her at the club now and then.

[HK Monger]

Trust me I'm the same way and in my younger days I was worse. I remember a girl I would do TLN with I was asking her to be sure that she is only going with me because she wanted to and not just for the money. She got irritated and basically said if I'm with you it's because she enjoys it and not just for money.

Some girls have clients that don't understand the concept that the Zona is all fantasy and some guys think of seeing a girl outside as an actual date. I'm not saying this was your case but if this girl has a bad history of clients getting confused on what the truth is she might of wanted to be honest with you instead of trying to string you along. Especially when she said she was working and not looking for a boyfriend since she might of felt that's what you wanted. Obviously I'm just giving my point of view since I don't know all of your conversations.

One more thing. The worst case is when a guy says "I'm going to pay you X dollars to do this with me" and then starts acting like she's his girlfriend. Then the guy is deluded. My technique is to draw the girls out and see what their true intentions are. And the way you do that is obviously not promising any money and see how they react. If she closes the door on any prospects beyond a client / provider relationship, we keep in in the club. If she leaves the door open, we proceed.

[HK Monger]

Trust me I'm the same way and in my younger days I was worse. I remember a girl I would do TLN with I was asking her to be sure that she is only going with me because she wanted to and not just for the money. She got irritated and basically said if I'm with you it's because she enjoys it and not just for money.

Some girls have clients that don't understand the concept that the Zona is all fantasy and some guys think of seeing a girl outside as an actual date. I'm not saying this was your case but if this girl has a bad history of clients getting confused on what the truth is she might of wanted to be honest with you instead of trying to string you along. Especially when she said she was working and not looking for a boyfriend since she might of felt that's what you wanted. Obviously I'm just giving my point of view since I don't know all of your conversations.

Well, I wouldn't go with a girl if I though I was going to be just. A "client". Would any guy? I 100% expect more than that, or at least the potential for more than that. Otherwise, it's just not worth it.

It's actually a fallacy to believe that just because a girl works at HK, you are relegated to being her client in some kind of business relationship. They are just ordinary girls when it comes down to it. They can like you or not like you just like an a girl you meet in everyday life. I know this from personal experience. I think the secret to HK is to actually realize this important fact and not somehow put the girls on a pedestal. This is hard for some guys becuase they do get all made up and present themselves as some kind of sexual fantasy, but believe me, they don't look as good the morning after. They are just normal girls.

Now, what a lot of guys get wrong is thinking they are going to jump into a non-client relationship with these girls. That's not going to happen, in general. If it's been all too easy, then, yes, you are still her client. You have to put in the time and effort to get past the client stage. Most all women, no matter what thier background, expect this time and effort to be put in order to actually let you into their lives.

For reference, the last girl I took out of the club asked me out, not the other way around. She was crazy about me (actually, she was just plain crazy, looking back). A girl like that only comes around once in a blue moon though.

[Sol12]

Yeah, I'm kind of weird about that. Ha Ha.

No, she did nothing wrong. I'm not upset with her and will still probably see her in HK. We had not talked about any money (or sex) leading up to this. I had just asked her if she wanted to go to this club. As I mentioned before, I have no interest in just buying a girl's time OTC. I can do that in HK. So I actually look for a girl who I think wants to be there. They can't just be punching the clock when we go out. For this reason, discussions of money are kind of awkward for me. The best I can hope for is that she will just go along with it, with the understanding that I'm going to give her something. So when she more or less asked me to pay her, my first thought is "she doesn't want to go. " And I'm not just going to sit there with someone who doesn't want to be there and is waiting for a paycheck.

As you can see, what I like is pretty rare. So I "almost" never take a girl outside the club. My view is that investing time, energy, and money in a female outside of HK requires mutual attraction, or at the very least that she likes hanging out with you. If you don't have that, just keep it in HK.

The great thing about Tijuana is that even when you get turned down by a girl (as I basically did), youv'e already had incredible sex with her several times! Ha Ha. When doed that happen in real life? It's a win win situation every time!

Trust me I'm the same way and in my younger days I was worse. I remember a girl I would do TLN with I was asking her to be sure that she is only going with me because she wanted to and not just for the money. She got irritated and basically said if I'm with you it's because she enjoys it and not just for money.

Some girls have clients that don't understand the concept that the Zona is all fantasy and some guys think of seeing a girl outside as an actual date. I'm not saying this was your case but if this girl has a bad history of clients getting confused on what the truth is she might of wanted to be honest with you instead of trying to string you along. Especially when she said she was working and not looking for a boyfriend since she might of felt that's what you wanted. Obviously I'm just giving my point of view since I don't know all of your conversations.

[HK Monger]

I don't get what she did wrong. Unless the two of you hadn't mentioned anything about spending the night together she just wanted to make sure you didn't think her time and sex was free. Or she just wanted to clarify you wanted.

I would say that guys try to take advantage of girls more than the girls do of guys. IMO. Since I'm not sure of every conversation you had with her and what was exactly said I would imagine that you never made it clear to her that you would compensate her for sex and since your the man you need to make sure she knows the situation and what you want.

Yeah, I'm kind of weird about that. Ha Ha.

No, she did nothing wrong. I'm not upset with her and will still probably see her in HK. We had not talked about any money (or sex) leading up to this. I had just asked her if she wanted to go to this club. As I mentioned before, I have no interest in just buying a girl's time OTC. I can do that in HK. So I actually look for a girl who I think wants to be there. They can't just be punching the clock when we go out. For this reason, discussions of money are kind of awkward for me. The best I can hope for is that she will just go along with it, with the understanding that I'm going to give her something. So when she more or less asked me to pay her, my first thought is "she doesn't want to go. " And I'm not just going to sit there with someone who doesn't want to be there and is waiting for a paycheck.

As you can see, what I like is pretty rare. So I "almost" never take a girl outside the club. My view is that investing time, energy, and money in a female outside of HK requires mutual attraction, or at the very least that she likes hanging out with you. If you don't have that, just keep it in HK.

The great thing about Tijuana is that even when you get turned down by a girl (as I basically did), youv'e already had incredible sex with her several times! Ha Ha. When doed that happen in real life? It's a win win situation every time!

[Nothing24]

I see her a couple more times over the coming weeks. Same result. She's young, cute, and basically my type, so finally I ask her if she is free any day so we can potentially do something outside the club. She says "sure" and is recommending places we could go, which I interpret as another good sign. When we finish for the night, I indicate that I am going to text her next week to make arrangements. As we part ways, she say to me "you are going to text me, right?" and I say "yeah".

So the next week I am texting her and the deal is almost sealed when she drops this, "You are going to pay me to go out with you, right?" Damn, so close. I try to be as nice as possible. I tell her that, yes, I was going to make it worth her while, but asking so directly makes it feel transactional and that I'm not looking for just an Escort. The says that she needs to work and that she's not looking for a boyfriend for the time being. The moment being ruined, I say, "oh well maybe another time. ".

So basically she's off the table for now. Though I will concede that she may just be inexperienced and not understand how the long game works. She is pretty fun for the short game, though, so I may still go with her at the club now and then.

This reminded me of an HK girl I met not too long ago. First day we met we hit it off right away. Complete GFE and reasonably priced. Ran into her the following week, I had recently just popped with someone else, so I told her I was on my way out but would invite her for a couple drinks if she would like and she said sure. Thought this would put a damp on things but she was being very affectionate and making out with me the entire time. She asks when are we going to see each other OTC. I told her anytime she would like and she said ok but said I better come prepared because she supposedly likes to fuck for hours. Of course everything sounded great and everything but then she hit me with "it's going to cost you though". Total mood killer. I know it's going to cost me, it's pointless to say that, dummy. I was obviously going to compensate you. Then I started thinking well how much is this chick expecting? 300, 500, 1000? It was such a turn off I didn't even ask her how much. I just played it cool and finished up our drinks and told her I would catch her around next time.

The best girls never bring up money and are typically happy with whatever you give them as long as youre fair and treat them well. A lesson this girl will have to learn on her own.

Since I have plenty of other chicas in my rotation, I haven't been with that same girl since. I'll get around to seeing her again at some point, just not in a hurry to do so.

[Sol12]

So the next week I am texting her and the deal is almost sealed when she drops this, "You are going to pay me to go out with you, right?" Damn, so close. I try to be as nice as possible. I tell her that, yes, I was going to make it worth her while, but asking so directly makes it feel transactional and that I'm not looking for just an Escort. The says that she needs to work and that she's not looking for a boyfriend for the time being. The moment being ruined, I say, "oh well maybe another time. ".

So basically she's off the table for now. Though I will concede that she may just be inexperienced and not understand how the long game works. She is pretty fun for the short game, though, so I may still go with her at the club now and then.

I don't get what she did wrong. Unless the two of you hadn't mentioned anything about spending the night together she just wanted to make sure you didn't think her time and sex was free. Or she just wanted to clarify you wanted.

I would say that guys try to take advantage of girls more than the girls do of guys. IMO. Since I'm not sure of every conversation you had with her and what was exactly said I would imagine that you never made it clear to her that you would compensate her for sex and since your the man you need to make sure she knows the situation and what you want.