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[HorseTrader]

Has anyone else dealt with this?

Yes, sort of. My 2018 Thai girlfriend was desperate for a quick marriage to a western man and I would not provide. She found a European man who quickly got her to Europe in 2019 and married her. Then in 2020, the 2018 girlfriend gathered a few pictures of me and posted them on a part of TikTok where Thai women were looking for western men, I was posted as being highly recommended. My new 2020 Thai girlfriend spotted those pictures and alerted me. The shit hit the fan, but the 2018 girlfriend removed those pictures the day after I told her that I was pissed off.

[Werqweq]

But that doesn't mean I can ignore the reality that it is going to be a much greater challenge to swing that with the best lookers and therefore likely most popular girls in a venue than the 2nd and 3rd Tier lookers in the place. That is the term I have used. And that doesn't mean the 2nd and 3rd Tier lookers are ugly. Not if there are at least 5 Tiers overall. LOL.

I have no idea if that is a reality or not. Whenever I enter a massage shop or go-go bar, I choose the girl I'm the most attracted to based on looks and whatever I can gauge from her personality in those few seconds, or I leave and look elsewhere if there's no-one I want to pay to bang. I'm paying more or less the same for any girl, so I'm going to choose whoever I like the most.

However, surely you aren't suggesting that getting BBFSCIP without discussion or negotiation from the top 10% or so best lookers in any venue in Thailand is as easy, reliable, routine, hassle-free and low cost as ordering a pizza and actually getting a pizza at any and every Domino's Pizza shop in town, as some here appear to suggest, are you?

No, but I never entertain any long discussion or negotiation either, and I never even mention it before we're in bed, where I simply "go with the flow". Sometimes the girl will stop me, and I will offer her a tip. The longest discussion I ever has is she may say for an extra 2000, and I will respond with for an extra 1000. I don't care to have a longer talk than that.

In the context of the point I was making I am only saying it is more likely a punter who "appears" not to be a serious, high volume player always on the hunt for BBFSCIP with every girl he has sessioned with in 13 years of living in Bangkok and instead "appears" to have just arrived in town and isn't slick and knowledgeable enough about the hobby to have sessioned with anyone yet, might, just might have an edge in getting BBFSCIP from a girl with the killer combination of good looks and the willingness to deliver BBFSCIP with the most promising long term prospect.

I have not tried that, but I doubt it. Might just as well happen upon a girl who thinks she should hold out on the BBFS for a few times to make the punter feel extra super special when she finally allows him, "just for teerak".

Anyhow, it's not worth it for me to spend time devising any elaborate strategies for how to get BBFS with a p4 p-girl, or spend time guessing what they think. What I'm doing now is far from perfect, but works well enough for me now with go-go girls, massage girls, and freelancers, that I expect the sex to be without condom, and sometimes I pick up some new tips and tricks from other reports here. It does not work well enough for me with fiwfans girls yet, where I must do something different I guess, but I do not yet know what that is. Perhaps I'll figure that out in the summer when I visit again.

[NicFrenchy]

Reported the groups to Meta?

And out of curiosity. Is anyone aware of similar groups targeting Thai women? I feel like we (farang) are way less digital, organized, or solidaristic to make that kind of behavior a thing but maybe I'm wrong?

Notify the Police, the person who used your picture without your consent is facing a hefty fine and possible jail time.

[EihTooms]

The whole point is, "YMMV". That's why reading the different reports, honest failures included, are both useful and interesting. Does not mean I will be able to replicate another guy's success, but it lets me see what's possible.

Somebody reading your reports will think BBFS is darn on impossible to get with anything but ugly girls in Thailand. Others get BBFS more often than not with whatever girl they choose, and they choose whoever they want to fuck the most there and then. I've never given a single thought to whether she will insist on condom or not, and have no interest all in paying to fuck a more ugly girl just because I think or hope she will let me fuck her without condom, while her more pretty colleague will not. I don't care, as I'd much rather fuck a more pretty girl with a condom than a less pretty girl without a condom.

Some people may want to continue believing that the reason they have so much problems getting BBFS, while others get it most of the time, is that others are fucking ugly girls most of the time. Or that the guy paying less than them must be paying less because his girls are more ugly. Or that the girls who prefer to stay till the morning with the guy, even though only paid for short-time, must be more ugly too. Or whatever reason somebody is getting something better or more from a girl for the same price, it must be because the girl is more ugly. Up to them if they want to believe that, though it's a rather insulting assumption.

BBFSCIP is a different thing, and I don't at all blame the p4 p-girls who, before or during fucking, tell me I cannot CIP because they don't trust that the dude they met a moment ago really did have a vasectomy like he says. There have even been idiots here posting about how they lie to girls about having had a vasectomy, but have not, in order to get BBFS.

Not at all. If the only girls I could find willing to have BBFSCIP with me even on a first session among the hundreds if not thousands of Thai girls who have done that with me were ugly, I never would have retired in Thailand 13 years ago.

But that doesn't mean I can ignore the reality that it is going to be a much greater challenge to swing that with the best lookers and therefore likely most popular girls in a venue than the 2nd and 3rd Tier lookers in the place. That is the term I have used. And that doesn't mean the 2nd and 3rd Tier lookers are ugly. Not if there are at least 5 Tiers overall. LOL.

However, surely you aren't suggesting that getting BBFSCIP without discussion or negotiation from the top 10% or so best lookers in any venue in Thailand is as easy, reliable, routine, hassle-free and low cost as ordering a pizza and actually getting a pizza at any and every Domino's Pizza shop in town, as some here appear to suggest, are you?

In the context of the point I was making I am only saying it is more likely a punter who "appears" not to be a serious, high volume player always on the hunt for BBFSCIP with every girl he has sessioned with in 13 years of living in Bangkok and instead "appears" to have just arrived in town and isn't slick and knowledgeable enough about the hobby to have sessioned with anyone yet, might, just might have an edge in getting BBFSCIP from a girl with the killer combination of good looks and the willingness to deliver BBFSCIP with the most promising long term prospect.

Any punters interested in improving their chances of getting BBFSCIP are welcome to take or leave that bit of advice.

But, yes, I will go on record here and now to say that IF my goal was to always get no hassle, no negotiation BBFSCIP, as easy, reliable and routine as ordering a pizza and actually getting a pizza at Domino's, then I would steer clear of the top Tier and probably 2nd Tier lookers in any venue, shop or region and would resign myself to either paying extra cash for it, which works against that Domino's Pizza analogy I think, or choose ladies who would probably be closer to what is generally regarded as ugly.

And, believe me, among those thousands of different girls I have gotten BBFSCIP with I have had my share of girls who would probably fit that description. Not a terrible experience. But definitely less of a challenge compared to the aforementioned alternative.

[Werqweq]

"No hooker is saying what an extra good job they have to do for whatever reason. ".

Not for more money, not for multiple bookings, not to encourage repeat patronage from a known bell-ringer, no reason at all?

Then, among other things, the time and effort spent by anyone reading this negotiating anything anywhere with any hooker is pretty much pointless, right?

I can only speak from my experience. And in my experience I have not found a venue, bar, shop, neighborhood or online "dating site" yet where the three minimal requirements I count as qualifying for P4 P pizza worth paying any amount of money for, DFK, BBBJ and BBFSCIP, are as reliably and routinely delivered with no hassle, no discussion or negotiation about it as ordering a Domino's Pizza and expecting it to include a Crust, Tomato Sauce and Mozzarella Cheese. At minimum.

Not among the girls I am interested in having sex with, that is.

But, as always, YMMV.

The whole point is, "YMMV". That's why reading the different reports, honest failures included, are both useful and interesting. Does not mean I will be able to replicate another guy's success, but it lets me see what's possible.

Somebody reading your reports will think BBFS is darn on impossible to get with anything but ugly girls in Thailand. Others get BBFS more often than not with whatever girl they choose, and they choose whoever they want to fuck the most there and then. I've never given a single thought to whether she will insist on condom or not, and have no interest all in paying to fuck a more ugly girl just because I think or hope she will let me fuck her without condom, while her more pretty colleague will not. I don't care, as I'd much rather fuck a more pretty girl with a condom than a less pretty girl without a condom.

Some people may want to continue believing that the reason they have so much problems getting BBFS, while others get it most of the time, is that others are fucking ugly girls most of the time. Or that the guy paying less than them must be paying less because his girls are more ugly. Or that the girls who prefer to stay till the morning with the guy, even though only paid for short-time, must be more ugly too. Or whatever reason somebody is getting something better or more from a girl for the same price, it must be because the girl is more ugly. Up to them if they want to believe that, though it's a rather insulting assumption.

BBFSCIP is a different thing, and I don't at all blame the p4 p-girls who, before or during fucking, tell me I cannot CIP because they don't trust that the dude they met a moment ago really did have a vasectomy like he says. There have even been idiots here posting about how they lie to girls about having had a vasectomy, but have not, in order to get BBFS.

[Jean Tessier]

First time posting in forever this one's mostly for fellow residents.

I've been living in Bangkok for about 5 years now, married with kids, and working a pretty visible job. I regularly date Thai girls, mostly through apps, always regulars. One thing that's been driving me nuts since I got here: some of these girls keep grabbing my profile pics (from Line, WhatsApp, etc.) and posting them in private Thai Facebook groups.

You know the type "Anyone know this guy? "Is he good or bad? "Can I trust him? "Anyone dating him?" that kind of thing. These groups are all in Thai, private, and usually only accessible if you're a Thai woman (or ladyboy). I've managed to sneak into a couple, but apparently there are dozens of them.

As you can imagine, I'm not thrilled about having my photo passed around in groups with 30 k to 80 k members. Once I realized what was happening, I switched to anonymous profile pics but even now, years later, my old ones still pop up occasionally, and yeah. It really pisses me off.

First off, obvious heads up: don't use real photos on Tinder, Thai Friendly, Line, WhatsApp, etc. If you're in a similar situation. If you don't care about thousands of strangers seeing your face and commenting (often unnecessarily), then fine but just know it happens.

Now a few questions for fellow residents and regulars:

Has anyone else dealt with this? If so, how did you handle?

Were you able to get access to these groups somehow?

Did you ask to have your photos removed?

Set up any routines to avoid sharing pics that could be reposted?

Reported the groups to Meta?

And out of curiosity. Is anyone aware of similar groups targeting Thai women? I feel like we (farang) are way less digital, organized, or solidaristic to make that kind of behavior a thing but maybe I'm wrong?

[EihTooms]

I don't doubt Locals can get better prices but how much. Please give examples.

If I'm a girl who is Popular I'm not giving you a discount because you are a Local.

I'm I'm an ugly girl I'd definitely give you a big discount. Hahaha.

I also don't see why any girl who is popular for all the usual and obvious reasons would give a local expat a discount unless there is something in it for her in the "long game" deal; she knows he will always be around for the quick 1,500 - 2,000 baht no-brainer, one simple Line message score after hours, on her day off or a bar closure holiday and on the way to the mall or to meet her friends for a party.

But on a first session that she has no reason to believe will ever be repeated? No reason for a popular girl for all the usual and obvious reasons to give a local expat a discount simply because he says, "Hey, I'm a local expat, I'm not a tourist, I know the real prices" unless she is desperate enough for a customer and right now. In which case she is not so popular after all and would have agreed to a discount regardless what the dude told her.

Otherwise, the usual drop from 3,000 baht to 2,500 baht or from 2,000 baht to 1,500 baht discount applies to anyone willing to hesitate and not immediately jump on her first quote, same as for everyone else.

The local expat discount primarily comes about because we are not under time pressure to accept whatever right now and be ready for the next one and the next one after that before my flight back home.

I am here 24/7 during high season, low season, bar closures, pre big family holidays, post big family holidays, during every bar girl's kid's birthday, first school day, whenever a popular girl might be motivated to catch that extra 1,500 - 2,000 baht bonus on the way to the mall and so on.

However, if I choose to cruise through Nana Plaza at 9 pm on a Friday night during high season with my goal being to barfine a popular for all the usual and obvious reasons girl for the first time, she will very likely already have seen me cruising through Nana Plaza, probably already have seen me walking out of bars or along Soi 4 with dozens of different girls or multiple times with my lovely young girlfriend over the months or years and she would have no reason whatsoever to give me some mythical local expat discount that night. Not as long as she knows her chances of getting any full price quote customer she targets that night are very, very good anyway.

Nor would she be more inclined to rock my world in bed after having possibly recognized me as a player who has 24/7 access to every pussy in Thailand and not likely to repeat one anyway. As wrong as she might he about that, BTW.

Nor would that hypothetical popular girl be more inclined to agree to BBFSCIP with me considering all of the above factors without extra cash involved before she would agree to it with the clumsy newbie she never saw before and definitely never saw leaving with any other suspected nasty pussy in Nana Plaza. Which was my point in a previous post.

[UglyAzzMan]

We local expats can play the long game in terms of stalling and delaying until we finally catch them at 3 am on a rainy night in low season when their rent is 5 days past due in order to perhaps get a discount on pricing. But, bear in mind, that might also be us stalling, delaying and standing in the rain at 3 am to catch that "win" too.

However, getting great Real Sex / DFK, BBBJ, BBFSCIP in the deal as a local expat is not necessarily in the cards the way getting that price discount might be.

I maintain the best Real Sex any punter will ever get from a Thai P4 P girl is when she thinks he just arrived an hour ago, has no idea how all of this works, is so clumsy and / or unattractive that he hasn't gotten laid in his home country in years if ever, has never been alone in a room with a naked female younger than his mom, suggests a deep hope to find his "soul mate" in Thailand and is scheduled to return to his lonely, sexless life in his home country in 3-4 days.

That is when the Thai P4 P girl has the greatest incentive to rock that dude's world on night one, so much so that he will want to see her and only her again for the duration of his stay and start sending her serious support money after he leaves and she doesn't even need to touch, much less suck or fuck his dick for the next several months.

That is the Big Lottery Win for a Thai P4 P girl.

By comparison, hooking up with a no tricks, no games possible local expat who she can only squeeze out a fair but smaller going rate payment from and only if and when she actually sets aside the time and effort to meet him for actual sucking and fucking is no lottery win for her. That's work. That is not getting a transfer of money support from Mr. Lonelyheart while she and her girlfriends are partying, drinking and eating or buying her Thai BF a new motorcycle.

And I don't even think bothering to rock such a local expat's world sexually makes much sense for her. Not if she is aware that this guy is seen carting a new girl back to his room every other night.

And then there is the girl's assessment of how "clean" and disease-free that Lonelyheart dude supposedly would be vs the local expat who has wallowed in a variety of pussies for years and years. Yes, that will cross these girls' minds too.

All of that and more works against the local expat easily or naturally getting Best Value Sex for his fair going rate and works for the Just Arrived and Naive Newbie getting his world rocked on session one. Maybe even sesson two and three.

Of course, I am only talking about what the girl perceives to be the case with each of these two extremes, the potential for winning the Big Lottery or not and not the reality of them.

I don't doubt Locals can get better prices but how much. Please give examples.

If I'm a girl who is Popular I'm not giving you a discount because you are a Local.

I'm I'm an ugly girl I'd definitely give you a big discount. Hahaha.

[EihTooms]

LOL. Man you make this seem complicated as fuck. No hooker is thinking this might be the big payday every time some stranger on Thai Friendly messages her or a foreigner tries to pick her up in the street. Neither does Domino's Pizza have their fingers crossed that every time the phone rings someone might be ordering 200 pizzas.

We are trading sex for money, not sending rocket ships to outer space. No hooker is saying what an extra good job they have to do for whatever reason. Hell, her extra good job to you might be an extra shitty job to me. Same as Domino's saying we better put extra cheese on these 200 pizzas so the customer is really happy and gives us big tips and more business, but come to find out the customer does not even like extra cheese.

This shit is tic tac toe, not chess.

"No hooker is saying what an extra good job they have to do for whatever reason. ".

Not for more money, not for multiple bookings, not to encourage repeat patronage from a known bell-ringer, no reason at all?

Then, among other things, the time and effort spent by anyone reading this negotiating anything anywhere with any hooker is pretty much pointless, right?

I can only speak from my experience. And in my experience I have not found a venue, bar, shop, neighborhood or online "dating site" yet where the three minimal requirements I count as qualifying for P4 P pizza worth paying any amount of money for, DFK, BBBJ and BBFSCIP, are as reliably and routinely delivered with no hassle, no discussion or negotiation about it as ordering a Domino's Pizza and expecting it to include a Crust, Tomato Sauce and Mozzarella Cheese. At minimum.

Not among the girls I am interested in having sex with, that is.

But, as always, YMMV.

[Mr Enternational]

Of course, I am only talking about what the girl perceives to be the case with each of these two extremes, the potential for winning the Big Lottery or not and not the reality of them.

LOL. Man you make this seem complicated as fuck. No hooker is thinking this might be the big payday every time some stranger on Thai Friendly messages her or a foreigner tries to pick her up in the street. Neither does Domino's Pizza have their fingers crossed that every time the phone rings someone might be ordering 200 pizzas.

We are trading sex for money, not sending rocket ships to outer space. No hooker is saying what an extra good job they have to do for whatever reason. Hell, her extra good job to you might be an extra shitty job to me. Same as Domino's saying we better put extra cheese on these 200 pizzas so the customer is really happy and gives us big tips and more business, but come to find out the customer does not even like extra cheese.

This shit is tic tac toe, not chess.

[UglyAzzMan]

The girls don't know shit. Men assume they know something because they find the girl beautiful or whatever, but most women have low self-esteem and see a bunch of problems instead of a bunch of beauty. And in our hobby, I doubt any of them are thinking I am so beautiful that I have to be a hooker instead of a model or actress or whatever else job people see beautiful women as doing.

They will charge the money they charge because history has shown them that guys will pay it and IMHO that has nothing to do with how beautiful they see themselves. They probably can not believe that guys will give them so much money.

Majority of this Bargirl s are not thinking why guys are Overpaying for my services.

Majority of Bargirl s are thinking am I that unattractive no guys are even offering me anything.

I have no doubt some Girls are making Bank. When I say some I mean FEW.

[EihTooms]

This is absolutely true.

Local expats and retirees have the advantage of playing the long game and a lot less chances of getting scammed (by that I mean being the overseas BF that sends money monthly and for emergencies).

If girls see you as a potential repeat customer, she may price herself accordingly. She's going to assume you have been around, know the drill.

Also, for these girls may be prostitutes, they still are young and want to have fun. If you are nice, fun to be around and she's enjoying her time, she will stay longer than agreed or sometimes not even accept money.

These girls may be "hard" on the outside, but on the inside is a little girl that still waits to be swept off her feet like a princess (it's extremely difficult to peel the layers, but for those that can, it's a great experience). Most these girls prefer Thai guys anyway so no matter how "smooth" you are, Somchai will always have an advantage. I can tell you for a fact because I play in the "Thai" market, and it's extremely difficult because even if the girl likes me, 9/10 times, can't speak Thai (too old and lazy to learn). But the girls are a lot "hotter" than your average BG (more expensive too).

We local expats can play the long game in terms of stalling and delaying until we finally catch them at 3 am on a rainy night in low season when their rent is 5 days past due in order to perhaps get a discount on pricing. But, bear in mind, that might also be us stalling, delaying and standing in the rain at 3 am to catch that "win" too.

However, getting great Real Sex / DFK, BBBJ, BBFSCIP in the deal as a local expat is not necessarily in the cards the way getting that price discount might be.

I maintain the best Real Sex any punter will ever get from a Thai P4 P girl is when she thinks he just arrived an hour ago, has no idea how all of this works, is so clumsy and / or unattractive that he hasn't gotten laid in his home country in years if ever, has never been alone in a room with a naked female younger than his mom, suggests a deep hope to find his "soul mate" in Thailand and is scheduled to return to his lonely, sexless life in his home country in 3-4 days.

That is when the Thai P4 P girl has the greatest incentive to rock that dude's world on night one, so much so that he will want to see her and only her again for the duration of his stay and start sending her serious support money after he leaves and she doesn't even need to touch, much less suck or fuck his dick for the next several months.

That is the Big Lottery Win for a Thai P4 P girl.

By comparison, hooking up with a no tricks, no games possible local expat who she can only squeeze out a fair but smaller going rate payment from and only if and when she actually sets aside the time and effort to meet him for actual sucking and fucking is no lottery win for her. That's work. That is not getting a transfer of money support from Mr. Lonelyheart while she and her girlfriends are partying, drinking and eating or buying her Thai BF a new motorcycle.

And I don't even think bothering to rock such a local expat's world sexually makes much sense for her. Not if she is aware that this guy is seen carting a new girl back to his room every other night.

And then there is the girl's assessment of how "clean" and disease-free that Lonelyheart dude supposedly would be vs the local expat who has wallowed in a variety of pussies for years and years. Yes, that will cross these girls' minds too.

All of that and more works against the local expat easily or naturally getting Best Value Sex for his fair going rate and works for the Just Arrived and Naive Newbie getting his world rocked on session one. Maybe even sesson two and three.

Of course, I am only talking about what the girl perceives to be the case with each of these two extremes, the potential for winning the Big Lottery or not and not the reality of them.

[Mr Enternational]

You don't have Facebook for any ladies in Thailand?

I have facebook of normal women that I know in Thailand. I do not have the facebook of any prostitutes. My niece's mom in Pattaya keeps popping up for me to add her. If I am not adding her, then I sure as hell am not adding any hookers. The DJ at 808 is on my facebook and he is on there cussing some broad out. It appears maybe he loaned her some money or something. Too much damn drama for me!

[NicFrenchy]

What you and your cohort doesn't understand, or want to understand, is that the same girl will quote different guys different prices. Anything from zero baht to ten thousand baht.

I have zero doubt that a guy living here, and who gives of a certain vibe girls are attracted to, will have a lot more success offering 1,000 to a hottie than many other guys will have offering the same hottie 2,000, or even 3,000.

This is absolutely true.

Local expats and retirees have the advantage of playing the long game and a lot less chances of getting scammed (by that I mean being the overseas BF that sends money monthly and for emergencies).

If girls see you as a potential repeat customer, she may price herself accordingly. She's going to assume you have been around, know the drill.

Also, for these girls may be prostitutes, they still are young and want to have fun. If you are nice, fun to be around and she's enjoying her time, she will stay longer than agreed or sometimes not even accept money.

These girls may be "hard" on the outside, but on the inside is a little girl that still waits to be swept off her feet like a princess (it's extremely difficult to peel the layers, but for those that can, it's a great experience). Most these girls prefer Thai guys anyway so no matter how "smooth" you are, Somchai will always have an advantage. I can tell you for a fact because I play in the "Thai" market, and it's extremely difficult because even if the girl likes me, 9/10 times, can't speak Thai (too old and lazy to learn). But the girls are a lot "hotter" than your average BG (more expensive too).

[Nyezhov]

The girls don't know shit. Men assume they know something because they find the girl beautiful or whatever, but most women have low self-esteem and see a bunch of problems instead of a bunch of beauty. And in our hobby, I doubt any of them are thinking I am so beautiful that I have to be a hooker instead of a model or actress or whatever else job people see beautiful women as doing.

They will charge the money they charge because history has shown them that guys will pay it and IMHO that has nothing to do with how beautiful they see themselves. They probably can not believe that guys will give them so much money.

As usual, common sense. Lot of the folks overly concerned about what the girls charge generally Overpay.