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[Newton York]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46GwJbrMghQ

I'd tell you where I'd go. To Bangkok or Pattaya. To Thailand. A little place on the Gulf of Thailand. You know what the Thais says about the gulf of Thailand?

They say it has no memory.

That's where I want to live for the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory. Open a small girlie bar by the beach. Buy some worthless old boat, fix it up new. Take my girls out. Fucking.

Pa. Ta. Ya. A place like that, I could really get used to things.

I don't think I can make it there though folks.

I've been trapped here in the States most of my life, I'm an institutionalized man now, just like Brooks was.

Hell, I wouldn't even know where to begin. Thailand? Scare me to death something that awesome.

Whatever mistakes I made I paid for it and then some. That bar, that boat. Sex with Thai chicks. I don't think that's too much to ask.

It's just shitty pipe dreams. Thailand is way the hell there and I'm trapped here and that's the way it is.

That's right, it's there and I'm here, I guess it comes down to a simple choice really.

Get busy living or get busy dying.

[Explorer8939]

I am off to Jakarta for a few days.

As usual, as the ladies know I will be gone, they were bombarding me with requests for sessions, especially as the month is ending and they need to pay for their rooms.

One lady has brought her younger sister to Pattaya. The sister plans to work at Makro, but we'll see if she needs more money.

[Werqweq]

It already exists. It's called Pattaya.

LOL. That's a funny answer to a silly question.

[Werqweq]

When I have gotten that treatment it wasn't because I pulled out my "Hey, I'm a local expat" discount card or "Buy 10 Get One Free Card. " They don't hand out those cards the day we sign a 1 year lease on an apartment.

P4 P girls will do that because they have had "time" to know and rely on you as a convenient stop over or place to crash after hours, often when they are too drunk to get home on their own, their girlfriends' place is too crowded and, unfortunately, all too often when they are so tired, sleepy, cranky and fucked out for the night the dude who paid full price at 10 pm got the much better deal. LOL.

That's why I got over it and stopped agreeing to those offers from bargirls years ago.

It is still part of that "time is on our side" factor, which I fully admit exists.

And it is not all upside. As you probably know. The time to pay the piper in terms of Can You Please Help Me With This or Please Help Me With That at all hours will eventually come around too.

LOL.

I have a lot of problems getting BBFS with fiwfans girls, yet there's some other guy here (can't remember his name now, as I think I blocked him after he went on some moronic tirade in my private mailbox here a while ago), who seems to have little problem with it. I'm not assuming the reason is because the girls he chooses from the now defunct fiwfans pages are so damn much more ugly than the ones I chose from the same pages, though that reason would be slightly more flattering for my ego.

But mai pen rai dude. If you want to continue believing the reason some here, but not all here, are not posting about all the problems they have putting their bare dick inside the majority of p4p pussy they pay for in Thailand is because the girls they choose are more ugly than the ones you choose, that's up to you.

[Mogwai]

Come on dudes. So many of yous here are opening girlie bars left and right all over Thailand, none of you can come up with a Dominican Republic style sex resort? Like a BlackBeards, but better. With all the hot Issan chicks looking for work, surely a sex resort near a beach anywhere in Thailand can succeed?

It already exists. It's called Pattaya.

[Newton York]

I went to the bar at the Maggie Mays Resort yesterday. There were about 10 ladies, mostly grannies. No customers.

The hotel has 6 rooms open, so if the 6 guests happen to be visiting other bars, the hotel bar is empty.

I thought so. There's no way this place can succeed. The whole business plan is just not very viable. Too far away from the action. They can't guarantee hot chicks, and a 2 week minimum stay? That's just ridiculous.

Honestly, it'd be nice if Thailand had the kind of sex resorts that the DR has, but somehow no one has thought of it, or can make it work. I'd love every tropical country in the world that has easy availability of sex to have a Campo Alegre style brothel that Curacao used to have, but alas, no such luck.

Come on dudes. So many of yous here are opening girlie bars left and right all over Thailand, none of you can come up with a Dominican Republic style sex resort? Like a BlackBeards, but better. With all the hot Issan chicks looking for work, surely a sex resort near a beach anywhere in Thailand can succeed?

[EihTooms]

I guess you would see even less why some of these top go-go girls would fuck local expats completely for free then. Including the very first time when they don't want to leave the after hours club with some dude they see hanging out there trying to pick up girls every weekend, and who everyone knows never pays for sex, and who they instead tell to wait for them outside because they don't want their go-go bar colleague to see them go with someone for free. Or who they message in the morning on the way home, after getting paid 5000 baht (it was worth more 20 years ago) for long-time by some customer, asking if he wants to pick them up and go eat some noodles, before banging them afterwards at his / her place.

When I have gotten that treatment it wasn't because I pulled out my "Hey, I'm a local expat" discount card or "Buy 10 Get One Free Card. " They don't hand out those cards the day we sign a 1 year lease on an apartment.

P4 P girls will do that because they have had "time" to know and rely on you as a convenient stop over or place to crash after hours, often when they are too drunk to get home on their own, their girlfriends' place is too crowded and, unfortunately, all too often when they are so tired, sleepy, cranky and fucked out for the night the dude who paid full price at 10 pm got the much better deal. LOL.

That's why I got over it and stopped agreeing to those offers from bargirls years ago.

It is still part of that "time is on our side" factor, which I fully admit exists.

And it is not all upside. As you probably know. The time to pay the piper in terms of Can You Please Help Me With This or Please Help Me With That at all hours will eventually come around too.

[Explorer8939]

I went to the bar at the Maggie Mays Resort yesterday. There were about 10 ladies, mostly grannies. No customers.

The hotel has 6 rooms open, so if the 6 guests happen to be visiting other bars, the hotel bar is empty.

[Werqweq]

I also don't see why any girl who is popular for all the usual and obvious reasons would give a local expat a discount unless there is something in it for her in the "long game" deal; she knows he will always be around for the quick 1,500 - 2,000 baht no-brainer, one simple Line message score after hours, on her day off or a bar closure holiday and on the way to the mall or to meet her friends for a party.

I guess you would see even less why some of these top go-go girls would fuck local expats completely for free then. Including the very first time when they don't want to leave the after hours club with some dude they see hanging out there trying to pick up girls every weekend, and who everyone knows never pays for sex, and who they instead tell to wait for them outside because they don't want their go-go bar colleague to see them go with someone for free. Or who they message in the morning on the way home, after getting paid 5000 baht (it was worth more 20 years ago) for long-time by some customer, asking if he wants to pick them up and go eat some noodles, before banging them afterwards at his / her place.

[HorseTrader]

Has anyone else dealt with this?

Yes, sort of. My 2018 Thai girlfriend was desperate for a quick marriage to a western man and I would not provide. She found a European man who quickly got her to Europe in 2019 and married her. Then in 2020, the 2018 girlfriend gathered a few pictures of me and posted them on a part of TikTok where Thai women were looking for western men, I was posted as being highly recommended. My new 2020 Thai girlfriend spotted those pictures and alerted me. The shit hit the fan, but the 2018 girlfriend removed those pictures the day after I told her that I was pissed off.

[Werqweq]

But that doesn't mean I can ignore the reality that it is going to be a much greater challenge to swing that with the best lookers and therefore likely most popular girls in a venue than the 2nd and 3rd Tier lookers in the place. That is the term I have used. And that doesn't mean the 2nd and 3rd Tier lookers are ugly. Not if there are at least 5 Tiers overall. LOL.

I have no idea if that is a reality or not. Whenever I enter a massage shop or go-go bar, I choose the girl I'm the most attracted to based on looks and whatever I can gauge from her personality in those few seconds, or I leave and look elsewhere if there's no-one I want to pay to bang. I'm paying more or less the same for any girl, so I'm going to choose whoever I like the most.

However, surely you aren't suggesting that getting BBFSCIP without discussion or negotiation from the top 10% or so best lookers in any venue in Thailand is as easy, reliable, routine, hassle-free and low cost as ordering a pizza and actually getting a pizza at any and every Domino's Pizza shop in town, as some here appear to suggest, are you?

No, but I never entertain any long discussion or negotiation either, and I never even mention it before we're in bed, where I simply "go with the flow". Sometimes the girl will stop me, and I will offer her a tip. The longest discussion I ever has is she may say for an extra 2000, and I will respond with for an extra 1000. I don't care to have a longer talk than that.

In the context of the point I was making I am only saying it is more likely a punter who "appears" not to be a serious, high volume player always on the hunt for BBFSCIP with every girl he has sessioned with in 13 years of living in Bangkok and instead "appears" to have just arrived in town and isn't slick and knowledgeable enough about the hobby to have sessioned with anyone yet, might, just might have an edge in getting BBFSCIP from a girl with the killer combination of good looks and the willingness to deliver BBFSCIP with the most promising long term prospect.

I have not tried that, but I doubt it. Might just as well happen upon a girl who thinks she should hold out on the BBFS for a few times to make the punter feel extra super special when she finally allows him, "just for teerak".

Anyhow, it's not worth it for me to spend time devising any elaborate strategies for how to get BBFS with a p4 p-girl, or spend time guessing what they think. What I'm doing now is far from perfect, but works well enough for me now with go-go girls, massage girls, and freelancers, that I expect the sex to be without condom, and sometimes I pick up some new tips and tricks from other reports here. It does not work well enough for me with fiwfans girls yet, where I must do something different I guess, but I do not yet know what that is. Perhaps I'll figure that out in the summer when I visit again.

[NicFrenchy]

Reported the groups to Meta?

And out of curiosity. Is anyone aware of similar groups targeting Thai women? I feel like we (farang) are way less digital, organized, or solidaristic to make that kind of behavior a thing but maybe I'm wrong?

Notify the Police, the person who used your picture without your consent is facing a hefty fine and possible jail time.

[EihTooms]

The whole point is, "YMMV". That's why reading the different reports, honest failures included, are both useful and interesting. Does not mean I will be able to replicate another guy's success, but it lets me see what's possible.

Somebody reading your reports will think BBFS is darn on impossible to get with anything but ugly girls in Thailand. Others get BBFS more often than not with whatever girl they choose, and they choose whoever they want to fuck the most there and then. I've never given a single thought to whether she will insist on condom or not, and have no interest all in paying to fuck a more ugly girl just because I think or hope she will let me fuck her without condom, while her more pretty colleague will not. I don't care, as I'd much rather fuck a more pretty girl with a condom than a less pretty girl without a condom.

Some people may want to continue believing that the reason they have so much problems getting BBFS, while others get it most of the time, is that others are fucking ugly girls most of the time. Or that the guy paying less than them must be paying less because his girls are more ugly. Or that the girls who prefer to stay till the morning with the guy, even though only paid for short-time, must be more ugly too. Or whatever reason somebody is getting something better or more from a girl for the same price, it must be because the girl is more ugly. Up to them if they want to believe that, though it's a rather insulting assumption.

BBFSCIP is a different thing, and I don't at all blame the p4 p-girls who, before or during fucking, tell me I cannot CIP because they don't trust that the dude they met a moment ago really did have a vasectomy like he says. There have even been idiots here posting about how they lie to girls about having had a vasectomy, but have not, in order to get BBFS.

Not at all. If the only girls I could find willing to have BBFSCIP with me even on a first session among the hundreds if not thousands of Thai girls who have done that with me were ugly, I never would have retired in Thailand 13 years ago.

But that doesn't mean I can ignore the reality that it is going to be a much greater challenge to swing that with the best lookers and therefore likely most popular girls in a venue than the 2nd and 3rd Tier lookers in the place. That is the term I have used. And that doesn't mean the 2nd and 3rd Tier lookers are ugly. Not if there are at least 5 Tiers overall. LOL.

However, surely you aren't suggesting that getting BBFSCIP without discussion or negotiation from the top 10% or so best lookers in any venue in Thailand is as easy, reliable, routine, hassle-free and low cost as ordering a pizza and actually getting a pizza at any and every Domino's Pizza shop in town, as some here appear to suggest, are you?

In the context of the point I was making I am only saying it is more likely a punter who "appears" not to be a serious, high volume player always on the hunt for BBFSCIP with every girl he has sessioned with in 13 years of living in Bangkok and instead "appears" to have just arrived in town and isn't slick and knowledgeable enough about the hobby to have sessioned with anyone yet, might, just might have an edge in getting BBFSCIP from a girl with the killer combination of good looks and the willingness to deliver BBFSCIP with the most promising long term prospect.

Any punters interested in improving their chances of getting BBFSCIP are welcome to take or leave that bit of advice.

But, yes, I will go on record here and now to say that IF my goal was to always get no hassle, no negotiation BBFSCIP, as easy, reliable and routine as ordering a pizza and actually getting a pizza at Domino's, then I would steer clear of the top Tier and probably 2nd Tier lookers in any venue, shop or region and would resign myself to either paying extra cash for it, which works against that Domino's Pizza analogy I think, or choose ladies who would probably be closer to what is generally regarded as ugly.

And, believe me, among those thousands of different girls I have gotten BBFSCIP with I have had my share of girls who would probably fit that description. Not a terrible experience. But definitely less of a challenge compared to the aforementioned alternative.

[Werqweq]

"No hooker is saying what an extra good job they have to do for whatever reason. ".

Not for more money, not for multiple bookings, not to encourage repeat patronage from a known bell-ringer, no reason at all?

Then, among other things, the time and effort spent by anyone reading this negotiating anything anywhere with any hooker is pretty much pointless, right?

I can only speak from my experience. And in my experience I have not found a venue, bar, shop, neighborhood or online "dating site" yet where the three minimal requirements I count as qualifying for P4 P pizza worth paying any amount of money for, DFK, BBBJ and BBFSCIP, are as reliably and routinely delivered with no hassle, no discussion or negotiation about it as ordering a Domino's Pizza and expecting it to include a Crust, Tomato Sauce and Mozzarella Cheese. At minimum.

Not among the girls I am interested in having sex with, that is.

But, as always, YMMV.

The whole point is, "YMMV". That's why reading the different reports, honest failures included, are both useful and interesting. Does not mean I will be able to replicate another guy's success, but it lets me see what's possible.

Somebody reading your reports will think BBFS is darn on impossible to get with anything but ugly girls in Thailand. Others get BBFS more often than not with whatever girl they choose, and they choose whoever they want to fuck the most there and then. I've never given a single thought to whether she will insist on condom or not, and have no interest all in paying to fuck a more ugly girl just because I think or hope she will let me fuck her without condom, while her more pretty colleague will not. I don't care, as I'd much rather fuck a more pretty girl with a condom than a less pretty girl without a condom.

Some people may want to continue believing that the reason they have so much problems getting BBFS, while others get it most of the time, is that others are fucking ugly girls most of the time. Or that the guy paying less than them must be paying less because his girls are more ugly. Or that the girls who prefer to stay till the morning with the guy, even though only paid for short-time, must be more ugly too. Or whatever reason somebody is getting something better or more from a girl for the same price, it must be because the girl is more ugly. Up to them if they want to believe that, though it's a rather insulting assumption.

BBFSCIP is a different thing, and I don't at all blame the p4 p-girls who, before or during fucking, tell me I cannot CIP because they don't trust that the dude they met a moment ago really did have a vasectomy like he says. There have even been idiots here posting about how they lie to girls about having had a vasectomy, but have not, in order to get BBFS.

[Jean Tessier]

First time posting in forever this one's mostly for fellow residents.

I've been living in Bangkok for about 5 years now, married with kids, and working a pretty visible job. I regularly date Thai girls, mostly through apps, always regulars. One thing that's been driving me nuts since I got here: some of these girls keep grabbing my profile pics (from Line, WhatsApp, etc.) and posting them in private Thai Facebook groups.

You know the type "Anyone know this guy? "Is he good or bad? "Can I trust him? "Anyone dating him?" that kind of thing. These groups are all in Thai, private, and usually only accessible if you're a Thai woman (or ladyboy). I've managed to sneak into a couple, but apparently there are dozens of them.

As you can imagine, I'm not thrilled about having my photo passed around in groups with 30 k to 80 k members. Once I realized what was happening, I switched to anonymous profile pics but even now, years later, my old ones still pop up occasionally, and yeah. It really pisses me off.

First off, obvious heads up: don't use real photos on Tinder, Thai Friendly, Line, WhatsApp, etc. If you're in a similar situation. If you don't care about thousands of strangers seeing your face and commenting (often unnecessarily), then fine but just know it happens.

Now a few questions for fellow residents and regulars:

Has anyone else dealt with this? If so, how did you handle?

Were you able to get access to these groups somehow?

Did you ask to have your photos removed?

Set up any routines to avoid sharing pics that could be reposted?

Reported the groups to Meta?

And out of curiosity. Is anyone aware of similar groups targeting Thai women? I feel like we (farang) are way less digital, organized, or solidaristic to make that kind of behavior a thing but maybe I'm wrong?