Lisbon

[Mongerer88]

Do you mean like Pattaya is the best? Just want to compare my thoughts, actually I think it is.

I have been to Pattaya. It was amusing. Good to do it once, but I wouldn't care to do it again. I liked Bangkok better, but not as well as I like Lisbon.

Portugal is a first-world country, that is not driving distance from second-world countries as one of these maps indicates, calling the second-world countries "peasant states".

https://www.nationsonline.org/onewor..._countries.htm

https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/first_world.htm

Thailand and Brazil, certainly well-liked by many Punters, are third world countries. Although Germany is a first world country, it has chosen to allow drive-in immigrants from second world counties to populate its sex work scene, generally in FKKs and other clubs.

To answer your question, no there is not a significant streetwalker scene nor are there inexpensive clubs populated by Romanians. The clubs are not popular and are more expensive than seeing an escort. The clubs are supper-type clubs. You take the lady back to your hotel, as there are not beds or nearby "love motels".

Women are equals in Portugal, as is the case in all first world countries. Prostitution is legal in Portugal. The women are businesspeople who schedule their sessions by appointment and have their own incall (often shared with other providers), or they travel to your hotel where they are allowed to come up to your room without being harassed.

Portugal is an example of how well commercial sex work can be performed in the first world. Immigrants fly in, which keeps the lowest denominator out due to the cost of flying being a barrier to entry. The Brazilian ladies are either getting an education and / or working other jobs in addition to sex work. The same is true for most native Portuguese sex workers.

The Portuguese don't want their country to be like Pattaya, with good reason. Really the same is true with respect to Brazil and its favellas. And I suspect the same with respect to Germany and its Eastern European transient sex workers.

The contributors to this forum tell you the best ladies to see, what they do, and how much they charge. Portugal has a tremendous scene that it keeps out of the public eye. It is affordable by first world standards with excellent GFE services. It doesn't want or need streetwalkers or roadside clubs with survival sex worker transients. Women doing sex work deserve better than that as well.

[Gbs123]

Been a month back from Pattaya, it really is an adults disney land. Nothing like it in the world!

Do you mean like Pattaya is the best? Just want to compare my thoughts, actually I think it is.

[Gbs123]

Any street walkers around here or maybe in clubs?

[Mongerer88]

I'll be traveling to Lisbon soon, and only have one night there. I've narrowed down my search to Vivianne Miller & Rebeca Diniz. Who should I go with?

It is very difficult to compare the two ladies with the overall best reviews in the city to each other.

You can't go wrong with either of them.

We know nothing about you, which makes it even more difficult.

Rebeca Diniz is an independent who you can schedule in advance with. That might decide things right there.

Viviane Miller's availability will not be know for an absolute certainty until the day before the appointment, or possibly even the day of.

Rebeca is in her early 30's and at the top of her game sexually. She plays all three holes, does CIM, and is fluent in an English.

If you think the "hottest girl in class" chick in her early 20's is much more preferable than a lady in her early 30's, then go with Viviane. She has more restrictions than Rebeca. No anal sex or even anal play. If you vaginally finger her in a way she doesn't like, she will say no, so perhaps the best technique with her based on reports is to go down on her a lot and ask her to guide you on fingering. Even though her profile says CIM, she seems to prefer BBBJ with a last minute hand job to make you cum (if you intended to climax via oral). Viviane is not quite as English-fluent as Rebeca. Women who grow up in Brazil never learn much English, but Viviane is trying hard to do so.

Both are fetish-friendly, with Rebeca being a little bit more so. But they are both open-minded and fun.

As I said, you can't go wrong with either of them. It largely depends on your fantasies. On pure looks, I would give Viviane a 10 and Rebeca a 9, being biased toward youth on looks. On performance, I would give Rebeca a 10 and Viviane a 9. So it is a tie as far as I am concerned. I highly recommend them both.

[Austin28]

I'll be traveling to Lisbon soon, and only have one night there. I've narrowed down my search to Vivianne Miller & Rebeca Diniz. Who should I go with?

Check with them on their working hours and their availability during your visit. Becky doesn't work late evenings.

You cannot go wrong with either but if you have a comfortable hotel room then I would recommend Viviane for outcall.

[PER23]

I'll be traveling to Lisbon soon, and only have one night there. I've narrowed down my search to Vivianne Miller & Rebeca Diniz. Who should I go with?

Friend, if you're only here for one night then I suggest you pass on the escorts and enjoy walking around this incredible city.

Go to Sala de Corte or Yakuza and spend that money on an amazing dinner for one.

[HonestlyAverag]

I'll be traveling to Lisbon soon, and only have one night there. I've narrowed down my search to Vivianne Miller & Rebeca Diniz. Who should I go with?

[BaltiX]

I disagree that younger Gen Z girls are more likely to be burned out earlier than older generations based on experience and observation. I think it has always been that way. Escorting or any kind of sex work is not for everyone. And I have to say that it's a good thing that Gen Z girls in Portugal (and maybe most of Europe) are more sexually active. It seems to be the opposite in the US and UK.

[PER23]

I think the people who complain are pretty constant throughout the forums.

Prices increased after Covid throughout the world, and more effort is required now to find the highest quality sex workers.

The lowest prices forever were when a large number of ladies, often immigrants, worked in a fixed-location offering incall.

There are tremendous economic efficiencies available when that happens. The bigger the better. There aren't many tiny little WalMarts and few tiny German FKKs.

During Covid, there were simply "attacks" on anyplace or any thing involving a bunch of people in one place, whether it was a Church or a *****house. And there were fewer immigrants going from low income countries to higher income countries. Because no one could fucking travel without a note from your mother saying Sally Isn't Sick.

Granted it didn't affect Portugal quite as much as other countries, but the trend toward smaller incalls and ladies working independently picked up steam and stuck. It even worked during Covid. They didn't enforce it much, but LOS Angeles announced that you weren't supposed to travel other than for essentials, which included grocery shopping. Many high-end LOS Angeles escorts said on Twitter that they packed a grocery bag in their car on the way to outcall appointments. If asked, they shopped for their favorite uncle and they were going to cook for him after delivering the food, since he doesn't know how. Presumably it took her about an hour to do that cooking.

Many ladies presumably learned to enjoy working independently or with a few close girl friends. We have seen a trend away from the largest and least expensive incall options in North America and Europe over time. That started before Covid due to technology, but I think Covid accelerated it. It seems that ladies like it better. Which is good.

It means higher prices and greater need to use technology. I simply have little patience for the old guys who have complained about this trend for years. Learn to use your smartphone, and for USA Guys, including expats, FDR would turn over in his grave if he knew retirees would complain about their social security check not covering commercial sex transactions. I suspect the same is true for old European politicians who supported government pensions. If you are young enough to fuck, you are young enough to work. So earn enough money to pay market escort rates.

It's a lifestyle cost area, like self care and food. Dating or being a sugar daddy is way more expensive than paying an hourly fee, especially as I have no desire to be around a woman more than a few hours per week as my time is better spent on other pursuits at this point. Not going to complain about prices ever. Some women aren't worth what they charge but I can't knock them for trying. Some man is always willing to pay that much for any level of service.

On the flip side, would you really want to indulge in things that every man can afford? Desirability, perceived value and market value all correlate. A lot of men aren't productive enough in their lives and deserve to be priced out of the sexual market. Good motivation for them to self improve. Nothing, from casual normie dating to marriage to seeing sex workers is free.

[Mongerer88]

For me I prefer girls who are in their 20's and 30's. Changing the subject some forumers here complained that the Portuguese sex scene has declined in years since COVID. Did things actually declined or it's a perception of decay based on nostalgia and bad experiences? Keep in mind that COVID badly damaged the sex scene in number of countries, and now recovering or close to generally speaking. Some popular girls have retired, but new girls who are young and have good services are still coming despite some fears that younger girls aren't escorting anymore. For me the sex scene would be better if there were more Portuguese girls working, but Portugal is not the only country with that problem.

I think the people who complain are pretty constant throughout the forums.

Prices increased after Covid throughout the world, and more effort is required now to find the highest quality sex workers.

The lowest prices forever were when a large number of ladies, often immigrants, worked in a fixed-location offering incall.

There are tremendous economic efficiencies available when that happens. The bigger the better. There aren't many tiny little WalMarts and few tiny German FKKs.

During Covid, there were simply "attacks" on anyplace or any thing involving a bunch of people in one place, whether it was a Church or a *****house. And there were fewer immigrants going from low income countries to higher income countries. Because no one could fucking travel without a note from your mother saying Sally Isn't Sick.

Granted it didn't affect Portugal quite as much as other countries, but the trend toward smaller incalls and ladies working independently picked up steam and stuck. It even worked during Covid. They didn't enforce it much, but LOS Angeles announced that you weren't supposed to travel other than for essentials, which included grocery shopping. Many high-end LOS Angeles escorts said on Twitter that they packed a grocery bag in their car on the way to outcall appointments. If asked, they shopped for their favorite uncle and they were going to cook for him after delivering the food, since he doesn't know how. Presumably it took her about an hour to do that cooking.

Many ladies presumably learned to enjoy working independently or with a few close girl friends. We have seen a trend away from the largest and least expensive incall options in North America and Europe over time. That started before Covid due to technology, but I think Covid accelerated it. It seems that ladies like it better. Which is good.

It means higher prices and greater need to use technology. I simply have little patience for the old guys who have complained about this trend for years. Learn to use your smartphone, and for USA Guys, including expats, FDR would turn over in his grave if he knew retirees would complain about their social security check not covering commercial sex transactions. I suspect the same is true for old European politicians who supported government pensions. If you are young enough to fuck, you are young enough to work. So earn enough money to pay market escort rates.

[PER23]

Great responses, guys. I will agree that older women are better escorts with one caveat: it's because they have lost most, if not all of their dating / relationship value and have to give the average guy with some money the best time possible. Back when they were in their teens and twenties and rejecting 90% of the attention they got, they reserved the sexual gymnastics for the top men and the highest price.

With these lazier younger ladies, they also do everything and go crazy in bed, but rarely will they do it for 200 euros an hour. They've got a guy they value more that they're giving everything to, and the average man barely gets what he thinks he's paid for. Alpha fucks, beta bucks, as they say.

The younger ladies do burn out on escorting very fast and I'm seeing the thousand cock stare on some who only started 6 months ago. Compared to the myriad avenues for sex work these days, prostitution is the low end of the market and too much work for Gen Z.

[CanuckGuy85]

What are everyone's thoughts on ideal age? I've seen escorts as young as 19 and as old as 48 in the past few years. Fantastic experiences at both ends of the spectrum mainly due to how new the ladies were to the game and how good they looked, but if I had to pick it would always be seeing escorts no older than 24, ideally 19-22, with very few exceptions. As I'm getting older, I'm personally finding that youth and beauty matters most, particularly when I'm renting her body for an hour or two.

Some of this is to do with social dynamics and relative age and experience. When I was in my thirties, older and younger women appealed to me equally. Now that I'm well into my forties, I don't see anything of value in women close to my age and it's all about putting my hands on some young hips.

I'm also finding that Gen Z women are far more sexually active than their millennial counterparts and the average lady has racked up a ton of sexual partners before turning to escorting. A lot more ladies at EP happen to be single mothers and are well under 30.

For me my ideal age is between 20-25 but that also takes into account her attitude and how good she is in bed. I'd rather have a MILF in her 30's or even 40's that is awesome in the sack and has a good attitude than a 21 year old that's a starfish in bed with a bad attitude.

[BaltiX]

For me I prefer girls who are in their 20's and 30's. Changing the subject some forumers here complained that the Portuguese sex scene has declined in years since COVID. Did things actually declined or it's a perception of decay based on nostalgia and bad experiences? Keep in mind that COVID badly damaged the sex scene in number of countries, and now recovering or close to generally speaking. Some popular girls have retired, but new girls who are young and have good services are still coming despite some fears that younger girls aren't escorting anymore. For me the sex scene would be better if there were more Portuguese girls working, but Portugal is not the only country with that problem.

[Kama Leão]

What are everyone's thoughts on ideal age? I've seen escorts as young as 19 and as old as 48 in the past few years. Fantastic experiences at both ends of the spectrum mainly due to how new the ladies were to the game and how good they looked,

I have always had a very strong preference for MILFs and as I grow older that has not faded but, on the contrary, accentuated. Of all my best ever sex experiences and partners, 18 in 20 were certainly 30 yo plus wonderful MILFs.

[Mongerer88]

What are everyone's thoughts on ideal age? I've seen escorts as young as 19 and as old as 48 in the past few years. Fantastic experiences at both ends of the spectrum mainly due to how new the ladies were to the game and how good they looked, but if I had to pick it would always be seeing escorts no older than 24, ideally 19-22, with very few exceptions. As I'm getting older, I'm personally finding that youth and beauty matters most, particularly when I'm renting her body for an hour or two.

Some of this is to do with social dynamics and relative age and experience. When I was in my thirties, older and younger women appealed to me equally. Now that I'm well into my forties, I don't see anything of value in women close to my age and it's all about putting my hands on some young hips.

I'm also finding that Gen Z women are far more sexually active than their millennial counterparts and the average lady has racked up a ton of sexual partners before turning to escorting. A lot more ladies at EP happen to be single mothers and are well under 30.

I am also relatively more attracted to the 19-24 year olds, but the highest quality ones are extremely difficult to find.

Many are inexperienced and it can be difficult to have a good time with a scared young lady.

And honestly, the ones in that age bracket who are extremely experienced often flame out very quickly and some even have mental health issues.

Of course there are some who fucked the hell out of a long-term boyfriend or now Ex-husband before doing escorting, and those ones are great. Supporting a baby gives them even extra motivation, as if paying education tuition isn't enough.

I think the key is variety. Experienced women in their 30's and 40's will in general always be the best sexually. Mix in a few ladies in their late teens and 20's and hope you get the gems who don't flame out or go psycho on you.