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[Explorer8939]

I was talking to a 20 year veteran bargirl last night in Passion Club, she was having problems with her Thai boyfriend. His mother wanted more money, and if she didn't get it, she ordered her son to stay with her. So, if the bargirl wanted to get laid, she had to pay the mother.

[EihTooms]

Not sure what you mean. In fiwfans the "agent"/pimp/whatever gets a cut of the money, and the girl the rest. At the shops, the shop gets a cut, and the girl the rest. What's the "big difference" here?

If anything, the fiwfans pimps maintain a much greater distance, as you don't ever give the money to them, only to the girl. Obviously they had no luck arguing "what the girl does with the money afterwards is her business. If she, out of the goodness of hear heat, bless her soul, wants to donate some to me, that's up to her", but that argument is not even possible in the case of shops.

I have no facts and don't even live in Thailand anymore, but my guess is that fiwfans got shut down because they a) were getting rather noticeable and big in terms of revenue, and b) did not grease the right, or most likely, any palms.

Unlike the shops, which I believe are licensed (not directly as wh0rehouses, but somewhat similar), and where the bib can easily ride up on their bikes to whatever shops is in their jurisdiction, and make the monthly inspection pleasant or not so pleasant, all while collecting their "fee", that's probably a bit more difficult to do in case of fiwfans. Possibly they did manage to find someone somewhere under 20 with a fake ID amongst the thousands of girls offering their service there, but I'm sure that was just the excuse used.

When I do a search on a free and public website for, say, Tulip and Snow White, it appears the only service for which the person collecting your money at the counter might get a cut is some vague thingy called "an erotic massage". If that. Tulip doesn't even have a public website.

That is the buffer of public deniability that has kept those two shops whose girls, some at least, presumably, do indeed provide more Real Sex to more customers in a week than many of those fiwfans princesses do in a year if not in their entire P4 P careers, open.

I barely recall "massage" even appearing very prominently on the fiwfans site. It starts with something about not accepting "pearls" stitched into their customers' dicks or whatever the hell that is and moves to surcharges for "splits in mouth" and extra "waters", etc, all of which must be more definitive as Sex / P4 P in Thai language.

That is what defines the money collectors for the fiwfans business model as "pimps" but the managers / mamasans at Tulip and Snow White merely as "massage shops managers. ".

Publicly, that is. Which dodges that whole "shamefully and publicly advertising or offering prostitution" crime section cited in the Thai Penal Code.

[Werqweq]

Aside from the blatantly obvious public advertising of virtually no other service except "waters", "splits" and all the other weird English translations for actual sex, the big difference for the enterprise that got shut down vs the ones still openly discussed here and not shut down is there were third party interlopers fielding, screening and raking off a portion of the P4P exchange. Otherwise known as pimping and "living off the proceeds of prostitution" without being the one doing any of the fucking and sucking.

Not sure what you mean. In fiwfans the "agent"/pimp/whatever gets a cut of the money, and the girl the rest. At the shops, the shop gets a cut, and the girl the rest. What's the "big difference" here?

If anything, the fiwfans pimps maintain a much greater distance, as you don't ever give the money to them, only to the girl. Obviously they had no luck arguing "what the girl does with the money afterwards is her business. If she, out of the goodness of hear heat, bless her soul, wants to donate some to me, that's up to her", but that argument is not even possible in the case of shops.

I have no facts and don't even live in Thailand anymore, but my guess is that fiwfans got shut down because they a) were getting rather noticeable and big in terms of revenue, and b) did not grease the right, or most likely, any palms.

Unlike the shops, which I believe are licensed (not directly as wh0rehouses, but somewhat similar), and where the bib can easily ride up on their bikes to whatever shops is in their jurisdiction, and make the monthly inspection pleasant or not so pleasant, all while collecting their "fee", that's probably a bit more difficult to do in case of fiwfans. Possibly they did manage to find someone somewhere under 20 with a fake ID amongst the thousands of girls offering their service there, but I'm sure that was just the excuse used.

[NicFrenchy]

But notice none of the girls or their tracable customers were arrested for doing anything illegal. Only the 10 or so pimps who got between the customers and the girls and raked off a cut were arrested.

My post was sarcastic, of course it was bound to happen. Notice they also did not go after all the people online publicly promoting that said fraudulent platform as a place to meet girls. They could have, it would be easy to trace as well.

On social media, many Freelancers use Facebook and Instagram to promote their X page (where explicit content is allowed), TikTok is also starting to emerge with a lot of girls dancing with a skimp t-shirt and no bra underneath but in their profile promoting their X page.

X is strange though because not all girls will accept "Work" as they call it (appointments) but many have locked pages where they pose fully naked and give access for a fee (bypasses the OF commission as well and less risky).

Many girls on X will completely ignore foreigners, and if they give you the time of day is because your profile is complete and has a few photos. I've been successful with a few, but they are very far outside center BKK.

[EihTooms]

Didn't see that one coming.

There are a lot of similar websites, most only in Thai, but they're not sor sharing here because I'm fairly sure the BIB are reading this forum.

Weeks before I posted that fiwfans pages "might" be up and running again since the wording on the domain was different but apparently not different enough, the new site had already established a presence on BlueSky, the fastest growing competitor to social platforms like Facebook, X, formerly Twitter, Instagram and so on.

Everything they did seemed directed to being seen, investigated and shut down by Thai authorities again. The previous incarnation was cited and discussed here for years without being hassled.

There are PSE shops with entire threads devoted to them here that have never been shut down.

Aside from the blatantly obvious public advertising of virtually no other service except "waters", "splits" and all the other weird English translations for actual sex, the big difference for the enterprise that got shut down vs the ones still openly discussed here and not shut down is there were third party interlopers fielding, screening and raking off a portion of the P4P exchange. Otherwise known as pimping and "living off the proceeds of prostitution" without being the one doing any of the fucking and sucking.

Those are some of the behaviors that are clearly stated in all of the Thai Penal Codes as being illegal.

But notice none of the girls or their tracable customers were arrested for doing anything illegal. Only the 10 or so pimps who got between the customers and the girls and raked off a cut were arrested.

Those girls ought to ge able to figure out how to get their photos and profiles seen by customers on various "dating" sites without a third party interloper deciding who meets them, what they should or shouldn't do for them and for how much. Or at least their new pimps ought to be able to connect them with customers with a whole lot less interference and just collect a set fee for renting a room for "massage" or for advertising their "massage" services online.

[NicFrenchy]

Busted for age-related issues, still staffed by a foreigner, practically the same website name, so similar it came up immediately on a Google Search

Didn't see that one coming.

There are a lot of similar websites, most only in Thai, but they're not sor sharing here because I'm fairly sure the BIB are reading this forum.

[EihTooms]

Man, that's uncalled for. This forum is for sharing information, not hoarding it.
Have you ever talked to any fiwfans girl saying she gets farang customers? Many look like they're seeing a ghost when they open the door and see my farang face behind it.

If traffic from ISG would account for even 0.001% of their customers I'd be mighty surprised. Suspect anyone here who was using fiwfans before would know about it anyway, from the telegram groups or line accounts that are still busy, but which I don't bother checking since I'm not in Thailand.

Surprised they managed to re-open with the same website / domain though. I expected they'd at least would have to find a new name for it.

Busted for age-related issues, still staffed by a foreigner, practically the same website name, so similar it came up immediately on a Google Search, to go from fiwfans to fwfans was obviously meant to recapure all of the attenton and notoriety of the previous domain, publicly advertising essentially only prostitution instead of masking it behind "massage", etc, etc.

These people were determined to fall into every illegal pitfall that every other similar service has been able to avoid and remain open for years:

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/crim...en-in-thailand

[Explorer8939]

I have cut back ladies to one per day, they come at night.

Two a day were taking a toll on me, mostly due to two drinking sessions per day, but two fucks every day wore me down.

I don't have a vacation coming to an end, so I don't have to cram as many ladies as possible into my schedule. The only forcing factor is when a lady is broke and calls me looking for a customer. As a result, I am seeing ladies in my rotation once a week.

I have had a couple of nominal nights with ladies, nothing bad, nothing great. Just a little drinking, sex and sleep. No drama.

[Newton York]

Now that's a MILF.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...oon-crash-saga


Thai news is best read when in Thailand itself, feels way more authentic that way. Finding out about Thai stuff all the way from here, that just kinda sucks. I can't feel the kinship and closeness I otherwise would with the Thai babes.

[SubCmdr]

Weird the king and queen fly together. Some years ago, I saw two identical 747's side by side at our local Air Force base. White with a red stripe around the body, and a large red dot on the tail. The Emperor and Empress of Japan were visiting. Each on their own plane. It would have catastrophic for Japan to lose one of them in an accident, but both at the same time?

There are many different reasons that the Emperor and Empress would be traveling on their own plane. One is solving logistical problem. The Emperor and Empress of Japan might have had separate itinerary's that required them to fly separately. Second reason, the other plane you saw as a back up. Some countries got it like that. Japan is a rich country. I hear the Dis United States of America has two planes to fly POTUS around.

As for the King of Thailand he can fly a plane because he is a REAL MAN! Real men fly planes and ride motorcycles. Some of us men got it. Others well they are like this guy.

When Japanese and Korean guys are present, the rest of us have problems competing with them too.

[Philip Marlow]

Yeah, it seems cool, but ...

From what I remember reading he trained as a fighter pilot in the Thai air force.

Weird the king and queen fly together. Some years ago, I saw two identical 747's side by side at our local Air Force base. White with a red stripe around the body, and a large red dot on the tail. The Emperor and Empress of Japan were visiting. Each on their own plane. It would have catastrophic for Japan to lose one of them in an accident, but both at the same time?

[Newton York]

I remember seeing a video about that too. Somehow Thailand of all countries has a declining birth rate. That's just too weird.

Ah, here found it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzUqwweXwY0&t=145s

Asia's most trusted news source, CNA.

Apparently, Thailand will be one of the first countries in the world to get 'old' before getting 'rich'.

Anyway, I'd worry if I was younger, but at my age now, doesn't make a difference to me cause most of the working ladies, whatever age they may be in Thailand, is still younger than me *sigh* I'm so old. Anyway, I much prefer to bang Thai chicks in their early 20's. But I'll be happy with the chicks in their 30's. I draw the line at 40's, but if they look like Cherie Deville hot, then why not? A good MILF is a good MILF.

[Explorer8939]

Because of Thailand's declining birth rate, the average age of bar girls is rising.

In the old days, babies were born when the mothers were very young, and the Thai fathers would bail after a couple of years. That left the mother with few options, going to Pattaya being one of them.

Now ladies in Isaan don't have babies until they are in their 20's, so they may be 30 when the Thai man flees.

[SubCmdr]

Register your mobile phone number, selfie and payment card with Grab. About 5 different vehicle rates are offered, depending on wait time and size. Forget the song-tiaows / Thai Jeepneys: dangerous boarding / departing amongst moving traffic, and jerky rides. Grab/Bolt/Uber are the best things to happen to the taxi trade since horse-drawn Hansom Cabs.

You are suggesting that an individual pay up to 8 - 10 times for a trip by using Grab / Bolt instead of the Baht Bus.

I will also add that in the entire time I have been posted up in Pattaya the worst thing that happened to me is I handed the driver a 20 baht note expecting change and the driver just took it and drove off. I lost 10 bath and that is significant for me because that is another entire Baht Bus Ride. Hundreds of thousand people ride the Baht Bus each year. I want you to point out the number news articles you have read regarding someone dying in a Baht Bus accident. Then compare that to the number of people that die every year due to motorcycle accidents.

Pussy

I report the fact that I pay 1000 - 2000 THB for Short Time and individuals say I am only fucking ugly prostitutes.

In other News the girls in Pattaya are still old and ugly. I snagged a 20 year old from beach road the other night with zero English for 1,000 baht which at the current crappy exchange rate is $30.

You hold USD. Unhappy with the exchange rate. Petition for redress of your grievances with your government. ROFMAO. The price you paid is on the low end of the range of street market prices here in Pattaya.

Your numbers don't add up bro!

So with an average local salary of about $461 a month this is 6. 5% so that means a streetwalker hooker in the USA where we make $5,000 a month should be. $325. I don't know any place where they are that much so I guess Pattaya even at $30 is overpriced. Go into the bars and good luck coming out for less than $120.

This makes no sense to me. Are you equating the money you make as a business owner in the Dis-United States of America to the rate of pay for sexual services on the streets of Pattaya?

Pattaya is also broken as the old women resist kissing! Straight up money "Vulture Culture".

Straight fucking no kissing. If you want to kiss get a girlfriend.

Oh, that's nasty!

Lastly, what are issues with people who need pictures with posts? Other than to gratify personal ego needs or allow others to be even more critical of others over their personal choices of how to spend their money and who to fuck, what purpose does posting pictures actually serve?

The objective is to nut!

[SubCmdr]

Normal massage shops have an internal queue system, so the next customer is normally given to the next woman / girl in their queue, and often they take turns about who's sitting inside, though I don't doubt some are aware it's beneficial to have the more pretty ones sitting outside and take advantage of that. Anyway, you don't need to bother yourself with their internal queue. Just point out who you want to massage you, or even easier, just tell her while you're still outside, "you massage me, polite smile" like I do. Usually they'll repeat what you said somewhat loud to make it clear they're not trying to skip in line and get a customer ahead of who would normally have gotten him.

Here in Pattaya

Normal massage shops I don't worry about the queue. Naughty massage shops I do exactly as you do Werqweg. And I use the exact same phrasing. It should also be noted I a lot of massage girls operate on Thai Friendly. I make an appointment to come to the shop or they offer to come to my room.