Medellin Reports

[Turgid]

......If a good looking Colombiana is dating you, there is a motive. Whatever that maybe........

If a good looking woman is dating you, there is a motive.

No good looking woman dates a man who is not more financially well off than she is.

[Elvis 2008]

Oh boy where do I start. I'll be short. Now if you're 20's, a fit good looking, solid Spanish speaker with US income and was pulling estrato 6 young women, you know the ones that get out of their Toyota forerunner SUVs with their amiga and have 2 cute well groomed dogs with them. I'm not saying the same. But they are not going to date the miggle aged overweight gringo..

The reality is the women you are talking about are my neighbors, and the guys you are talking about I have never seen. You are paying $40 or $50 to get laid hanging around hookers and have put the estrato 6 woman on a pedestal.

The girl my gal's daughter took to the concert with us has two parents who are both doctors. She lives in Cartagena and had never been to a concert or been to Medellin. We had another guy on here who said that estrato 6 women were unreachable for guys here. I laughed because when he said that I had banged half a dozen of them.

I know where you are coming from because I had the john mindset too. I did the shit tests and unlike in the USA, the women were showing real interest in me, and it confused me. So you are saying if the women pass the short term shit tests and show interest in you beyond $, then they are playing the long term con. Hookers as great long term planners is something else I have not seen.

As short term as American hookers are, Colombian women because of their circumstances are 100 X more likely to be short term oriented. The only women I knew who even considered the long term were white collar women or those studying to be white collar. As Viliany smartly said, long term in Colombia is an hour.

The principle of Marianismo is that the Colombian women unlike American women do not wear their victimhood on their sleeves. Because of that principle, the Latin men get away with more than virtually any other race. The most sought after men in Colombia are not loyal. Of all the men I met, there may have been one I would say has not been with other women when married, and I am not even sure about him.

There is no point in arguing about it. I would have denied what I am saying here 15 years ago and been angry at someone bringing it up. Look at the women I am fucking. Look at the great sex I have. Thing is banging hot women was enough for a while. It is just that the quick walk of shame women do when they are done after having sex for money took away the positive feelings I had of having sex. The hooker experience was as satisfying as fast food. It fills a need, but I did not feel good when I was done. I did not want that feeling anymore.

Alternatively double down and know you deserve what you have coming. It's no more complicated than that.

Well, I had a painful breakup before being with the woman I have now. If I did not have that, I would not have gotten the woman I have now. Sometimes you need pain to make necessary changes.

I have had this discussion many times before, and I know how these things end. The hooker sex will get old for you too. And you will find someone who seems interested in you, you will do shit tests, a woman will pass, and you will open up to her.

[MikeBayArea]

It is crazy to think that girls would not like gifts. Who doesn't like gifts? If it is not something she likes, she can always give it to a friend who would appreciate it. I don't know about other guys but I give gifts without expecting anything in return. It is a gift, a gesture of appreciation to the girl usually for past performances. The price of the gifts are insignificant to me and to most guys. Most girls are appreciative of the gifts. You can give gifts if you want and you can not give gifts if you want. But no reason to criticize guys who give gifts to girls. Is it the same as giving a gift to the casher at McDonalds's? Only if the girl from McDonald's is engaging in intimate acts with me.

Now some guys say, these girls are all working girls and you should treat them like the working girls that they are. That isn't my attitude when I meet a girl in Medellin. Not all girls are the same as the streetwalkers you see in El Centro.

Exactly. Girls love gifts and underwear. I think the ones responding negatively to these posts are used to the hardened pros and they can't imagine picking a girl up at Parque Lleras or Centro and then giving her some underwear at the end of the session, which admittedly would be kind of awkward but still likely received well by the girl. They just can't imagine how different the experience is with a semi pro or college girl who is from seeking, facebook, tinder, or bumble, where an actual lasting connection builds with repeat visits. I'm convinced this is the case.

[MikeBayArea]

The Girl next door type whom I met in Medellin off Seeking was for me a really good first date. It was fun: good food, conversation, and sex. For her, she told me later it was the best night of her life. What I thought of as a good first date was really special to this one Colombian woman, and I think in hindsight she was not the only one who would say that. It is not that I am that great. It is just that the expectations of Colombian women on dates is usually pretty low.

I really do have to remember this. Coming from the USA it's completely opposite. I have met some girls here who really demonstrate what you are saying. But have not met any yet that haven't asked for money, except for the 35 year old, who also hasn't even kissed me.

[Black Page]

This is the most realistic post I've read here in a long time.

One of the worst problems in Colombia is the widespread social inequality and the gap between high and low strata.

[MikeBayArea]

Okay, it's Day 7 now. Crazy. Time flies. The Tinder girl was fantastic but had her leave after 2. 5 days. I got sick of the translation app all the time. But no complaints whatsoever. Shortly after, it's 6 am in the morning, and I take a stroll by Lleras. I see a beautiful paisa, 26 anos, with a big smile (the smile continued the entire service). 300 k for hour, massage, and everything I like. Great time.

Updates on the smokeshow 35 year old. Have spent time with her twice and not even a kiss. She also has NOT asked for money. She was in love with a 55 year old guy from Miami, white dude with money, who even tried to get her finance visa but the Visa was denied. She is still in love with this guy. They broke up 2 months ago and she is pissed because he has a 25 year old girlfriend now whom he posts on instagram. She keeps telling me that she needs time to develop chemistry and she is different form most girls in Colombia. I don't believe it. If she was interested she would have a least kissed me. But god damn, she is very hot. Funny thing though, I correctly commented that she had a nose job. And sure enough, 4 years ago she did, I asked to see the photos before. She looked like a completely different person! From average girl with great body to model looking beautiful. Crazy how much the nose influences our face. She also says she wants to get another nose job to make it pointier. I told her not too. That she is focused on the wrong things. She's literally the type of girl that guys stare at wherever she goes, she didn't lose the dude in Miami because of her nose. She agreed, but she's still going to do it I bet.

Definitely do recommend Tinder / bumble over Seeking. Seeking is not worth it in Colombia I do recommend Haven Hotel, though. Have met several travelers on the Rooftop Bar at Haven Hotel with great connections for ladies and other things in Medellin. They allow 1 guest per 25 hours or it's an additional 125 k for additional guests. Oh, I can't say I recommend any clubs / restaurants directly around Parque Llares. There's the big restaurant at the corner at the entrance of the park. Well I sit down and literally nobody comes for 10 minutes (and the place is not busy). So I walk up to the guy and he wants to charge me 30 k for a tiny beer (half the size of a normal beer). Well, the restaurant has good views of the park, so I take out my card and he says "no card" and then I take out a 100 k bill (all I had) and he says "no change". Which is all bullshit of course. Dude didn't like me because I'm a gringo is my opinion. It's the biggest restaurant in the park and they have no change for 100 k? I stared the dude down hard knowing what was up and left. Would not ever go there again and recommend you don't, as well.

Sorry, not the best report, but it's 6:41 am, I'm a bit hungover, but wanted to provided some recent boots to the ground updates nonetheless.

[Belem148]

Intercontinental charges a $150 USD joiner fee.

Notes:

- This is my first trip report and it's going to be long and probably not that helpful to anyone. It's more like a novel for myself haha.

- This was my second trip to Medellin and fifth or sixth trip where I have engaged in the hobby.

- I speak very very basic Spanish with a good accent but terrible vocabulary. 
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When I travel I stay in different hotels almost every night because I have lots of free nights and points to use from different chains and I don't mind bouncing around I find it fun. I also get late checkout and early check in sometimes so I don't have to wait around between check out and check in..

[FFlintstone69]

She hit me up so I talked to her a bit to try to see if the condition can be changed. Haha. It seems she has enough repeat customers and she has a sizable income. She gave me a number. She is 18. So there are enough men that are accepting very restrictive sex. BTW, the girl that charged 150 USD don't even do blow job. This is worst than being priced out of the market.

I will say yes you are being priced out, typically "those" overpaying (I'm pretty sure everyone knows the most culpable demo).

That are destroying the market, are overpaying, tipping, buying gifts, dinners, and accepting the most absolute minimal worthless service.

Its all part and parcel of the cancer that they are on this hobby (I'm not really sure why its so forbidden to discuss this issue like adult men without using code words etc.)

[Nounce]

I felt a rush of adrenaline when I saw this girl who dressed normally with a backpack. The first restriction coming out of her is no kisses, the second is with condom. She has a sidekick in white dress like a working girl. Saw two others with the same outcome. The prices are 400,150 USD, 450. These are what I would take on the spot regardless the price if not for the restrictions which is very rare.

She hit me up so I talked to her a bit to try to see if the condition can be changed. Haha. It seems she has enough repeat customers and she has a sizable income. She gave me a number. She is 18. So there are enough men that are accepting very restrictive sex. BTW, the girl that charged 150 USD don't even do blow job. This is worst than being priced out of the market.

[Nounce]

This is the most realistic post I've read here in a long time.

I went with Colombian men to La Isla and they didn't have problem spending money.

[MoonShot]

OK 👍 guys theres nothing wrong with giving a gift to these poor girls. Mr. No personality doesn't have a clue to developing some good kharma. With me. Being an expert of course. Will do things outside the normal and making people happy. Never hurts. No matter how awkward or stupid. Guys be cool with the girls and be rewarded.

It is crazy to think that girls would not like gifts. Who doesn't like gifts? If it is not something she likes, she can always give it to a friend who would appreciate it. I don't know about other guys but I give gifts without expecting anything in return. It is a gift, a gesture of appreciation to the girl usually for past performances. The price of the gifts are insignificant to me and to most guys. Most girls are appreciative of the gifts. You can give gifts if you want and you can not give gifts if you want. But no reason to criticize guys who give gifts to girls. Is it the same as giving a gift to the casher at McDonalds's? Only if the girl from McDonald's is engaging in intimate acts with me.

Now some guys say, these girls are all working girls and you should treat them like the working girls that they are. That isn't my attitude when I meet a girl in Medellin. Not all girls are the same as the streetwalkers you see in El Centro.

[GeneHickman]

Well, you get most of it. You have been a quick study. This last statement is showing you are not all the way there yet. You still have the john mindset where a beautiful young woman could only be with you only if she is looking for $. Why does the 35 year old or any other woman have to be playing the "long game"? There are stunning Colombian women who will go out with you just to share your company just if you pick up the tab on dates. It is not all of them but trust me, they are there. I see them with every trip I take to Colombia.

The Girl next door type whom I met in Medellin off Seeking was for me a really good first date. It was fun: good food, conversation, and sex. For her, she told me later it was the best night of her life. What I thought of as a good first date was really special to this one Colombian woman, and I think in hindsight she was not the only one who would say that. It is not that I am that great. It is just that the expectations of Colombian women on dates is usually pretty low.

And there is getting out of the American mind set about women where if a woman is upset or offended, the whole world must stop. If you do not like a woman and do not want to spend time with her, who cares how she feels? This whole notion that men cause women to have certain feelings versus the women having themselves herself is nuts. Her feelings are her issue not yours, but I can see why you think that would be a potential problem. There is literally no situation in the USA where a woman cannot be a victim and men are the reason for female suffering.

When I have seen Colombian women out of line with what they want, they get slapped right back into place by other women. There is not a legal system that rewards "victims". Americans are familiar with male machismo. They do not know about female marianismo. https://hiplatina.com/marianismo-latina-mental-health/.

"We have been told that our opinion does not matter. We have been told that we need to put others' needs before our own. We have been told that men are superior to women. We have been told that we always have to be loving. We have been told that we have to be submissive. ".

I do not embrace all of this, but believe me, when I came to Colombia, this lack of the victim mindset and accepting responsibility for your feelings and behavior was a welcome change. You are not going to hear the incessant complaining about men in public spaces like you do in the USA.

Shakira's tour name reflected that mentality. The name of her tour translates to real women do not cry, they earn and pay the bills.

The victim mindset is why I swore off American women.

Oh boy where do I start. I'll be short.

I know delusions can be alluring. But when reality hits they can be painful or worse damaging also.

If a good looking Colombiana is dating you, there is a motive. Whatever that maybe. An upgrade. A green card. A scam. Financial help or whatever.

The delusion is that if you're a middle aged male that knows little Spanish and thinks you're entering some organic relationship. Take your blinders off.

That's not reality. All I'm saying is enjoy the fantasy, see it for what it is and stop with the lecturing.

Alternatively double down and know you deserve what you have coming. It's no more complicated than that.

Now if you're 20's, a fit good looking, solid Spanish speaker with US income and was pulling estrato 6 young women, you know the ones that get out of their Toyota forerunner SUVs with their amiga and have 2 cute well groomed dogs with them. I'm not saying the same. But they are not going to date the miggle aged overweight gringo. So a dose of reality is needed.

There's many other scenarios where a good looking Colombian will show you a good time but for most of us its a love fantasy.

[Nomars777]

Heading back to MDE for good times with great chicas next month 6/17-22. Should be fun, as always.

If you're going to be around, send me a PM and we can get together for a beer at Gato Blanco, or somewhere else.

Cheers!

[MongerHunger]

I'm on the spanish Colombian hooker forum..

I know exactly what Spanish Forum you are talking about because I use it and stay connected to the Colombian Community and their reviews in regards to P4P.

IMO Gringos would destroy that forum with their arrogance and entitlement along with boasting and bragging. It's best to keep it FCR "Fight Club Rules". A lot of Gringos affect the P4P culture negatively. Let them stay where the other Gringos are at and cohabitate together with their meet ups with each other, bar crawls and sleep overs.

[Astro Man]

I agree please stop arguing about the panties haha. Who actually cares?

No one read my loooong ass trip report because there are three pages of people talking about panties. I know it's long as shit though so that's probably the main reason. If you are looking for chica friendly hotels or a cheap threesome there's a lot of useful info in there though. People literally post right after asking questions about booking hotels. Will make my future trip reports more digestible.

If you are a strange guy giving her panties obviously she will think you are strange. If you are not then she won't? Especially if they are wrapped? Who literally cares, not everything has to be so polarizing. Most of us wouldn't do it but that guy likes doing it so live and let live.

Well, you get most of it. You have been a quick study. This last statement is showing you are not all the way there yet. You still have the john mindset where a beautiful young woman could only be with you only if she is looking for $. Why does the 35 year old or any other woman have to be playing the "long game"? There are stunning Colombian women who will go out with you just to share your company just if you pick up the tab on dates. It is not all of them but trust me, they are there. I see them with every trip I take to Colombia.

The Girl next door type whom I met in Medellin off Seeking was for me a really good first date. It was fun: good food, conversation, and sex. For her, she told me later it was the best night of her life. What I thought of as a good first date was really special to this one Colombian woman, and I think in hindsight she was not the only one who would say that. It is not that I am that great. It is just that the expectations of Colombian women on dates is usually pretty low.

And there is getting out of the American mind set about women where if a woman is upset or offended, the whole world must stop. If you do not like a woman and do not want to spend time with her, who cares how she feels?

I agree with the first part. Again, covered in my loooong ass trip report on days 5 and 6 but the girl I met on tinder turned out to be a total civilian also had a the time of her life, never mentioned money or marriage and cried multiple times that I had to leave. But she never tried to get me to stay or keep things going with her long distance or send her money or anything. She just had a great time.

Not every girl in Colombia is a hooker. But I agree it feels sort of rare when you are scrolling through semi pro and pro dating app profiles. Gives you a skewed perspective.

Has she mentioned marriage? If she's 35 she could be thinking about that but YOU are possibly overthinking it. It sounds like you are enjoying your trip so you will probably be back. Just take it one step a time and sample the full scene.

I think it's good to be conscious of a girl's feelings and not string her along but you sure as shit don't owe her anything even if you go on to spend multiple nights together. People in the US sometimes date for years with no intention or promise of marriage.