Jakarta

[Terry88]

And that happened because your penis wasn't hardened. The first time it encounters these deadly bacteria, it'll be seriously infected. But after a while, the skin there develops resistance, and you can stick your cock in any pussy and nothing will happen.

Now it's too late. At your age, there's a risk that it'll fall off if it gets infected again. Be very careful.

Wow, that's pretty insightful. I suppose the 3 STDs someone picked up in Jakarta from "civies" were just the hardening of the skin! Including a chancre I had a hard time diagnosing. At least I don't have warts like a couple of the street girls I know. Well, except maybe a small bump on my rear I can't figure out. And why are my lymph glands still swollen down there? It's really been a while and I thought those would go away.

[FFlintstone69]

I also think this is why Gabacho's vibe approach is so effective.

It's less of a transaction and it's not leading with the wallet, which often leads to a transactional outcome. The ladies probably get very tired of getting "pre-screened" for condom and are just happy to have someone they vibe with and just go with the flow of what he wants to make him happy.

I am sure there are a large percentage of guys that read about BBFS in Jakarta and just start blurting out, "No condom. Tip?" to a lady they just met 5 seconds earlier. Of course this approach is going to lead to a lot of knockbacks. The ladies that might accept right away are highly transactional and will quote a high price to try to get as much as they can out of you. Those guys are in a weak negotiating position at that point. Even though the lady would have probably done it much cheaper if it wasn't made into a transaction from their first words. And they will probably get mechanical service because of it.

There are equal merits to Gabacho's and AR's approach. I agree with AR that discretion and subtleness is called for. And it goes a long way in a place like Jakarta. I am just doubtful many guys will have the patience for this approach and just revert to, "No condom. I will tip!.

Than having already paid for the room, and having her hand you the condom insisting you put it on or the session is over and what happens when you walk back out after 2 minutes in the room.

What does everyone think now, Does she not tell everyone what happened?

The ladies that might accept right away are highly transactional and will quote a high price to try to get as much as they can out of you. Those guys are in a weak negotiating position at that point. Even though the lady would have probably done it much cheaper if it wasn't made into a transaction from their first words. And they will probably get mechanical service because of it.

I think there are some serious flaws in the reasoning or lack thereof in this post.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Had a great time with a very sweet 19 yo Astri found near the KFC in front of Lokasari Square. Said she'd had three babies and had a see-section scar to prove it but beyond that her body was awesome and still very tight. She happily complied (and enjoyed) every position I asked for without complaint and without condom. She finished way before I did, riding me like a schoolgirl. We may end up doing some karaoke with her friends sometime soon. Her suggestion, not mine. 300 k IDR to the mamasan and another 100 k to Astri for a well spent 400 k.

[NoGermaphobe]

I also think this is why Gabacho's vibe approach is so effective.

It's less of a transaction and it's not leading with the wallet, which often leads to a transactional outcome. The ladies probably get very tired of getting "pre-screened" for condom and are just happy to have someone they vibe with and just go with the flow of what he wants to make him happy.

I am sure there are a large percentage of guys that read about BBFS in Jakarta and just start blurting out, "No condom. Tip?" to a lady they just met 5 seconds earlier. Of course this approach is going to lead to a lot of knockbacks. The ladies that might accept right away are highly transactional and will quote a high price to try to get as much as they can out of you. Those guys are in a weak negotiating position at that point. Even though the lady would have probably done it much cheaper if it wasn't made into a transaction from their first words. And they will probably get mechanical service because of it.

There are equal merits to Gabacho's and AR's approach. I agree with AR that discretion and subtleness is called for. And it goes a long way in a place like Jakarta. I am just doubtful many guys will have the patience for this approach and just revert to, "No condom. I will tip!

One other thought I would add to the conversation. If you take AR's approach, and she still says no, or she quotes a really high amount outside of what you consider reasonable.....Now you have talked to the lady for some amount of time. If you throw her back because of no condom, the mamasan may ask her what happened. (Again, because the mamasan wants her commission for writing the voucher). Or the other ladies at the couch might. And she WILL tell them exactly what you wanted because she lost some "face" with the extended conversation and not getting chosen. This could lead to a lecture about condom use from the mamasan, depending on the venue and the mama. And you might be "tagged" as a no condom guy. How do I know? Because it happened....to me. Several times. It's not fun having a mama bringing you a lady and then saying, "use condom. Ok?" in front of the lady.

The official policies of all these places are condom required, even though we know that isn't the case. But if you publicly reject / throw back a lady because of it, this is the other thing to consider.

If it happens in the room, it was hey, we vibed. Or, it happened. Or hey, he tipped a little more. This is a much different dynamic for the ladies than being associated with the guy that is going around asking every lady beforehand if she will do no condom for a tip.

While I would never want to drive up prices, I'm pretty flexible with paying for extras, I cannot use a condom, so I feel paying 2 x the base rate is acceptable as a maximum.

That's not my starting offer but I don't feel that's "Overpaying" if it gets to that.

375000 is a huge tip on principle, not to me, but to her if she goes over that forget it. (nothing in there is that good looking).

100000 or 200000 is perfectly reasonable, she better be very damn fine for 300000 or 375000.

Thanks for sharing.

[FFlintstone69]

Despite many posts suggesting that BBFS is virtually guaranteed "by offering a tip" in the room during the session at venues like Classic and Travel, it is clear that vitually guaranteed should be taken as not guaranteed for "tampa condom". I appreciate the posters who reveal this fact as it gives a true representation of the uncertainty.

Now to the question, why can't it just be arranged before? IMHO this can and should be done in venues like Classic and Travel IF it is important to YOU. Google Translate can be your friend here. When you sit with the girl, rather than just immediately blurt out "no condom" to the girl, consider a more eased approach by having a discreet conversation. NOTE: If other girls or mamasan try to look in on your translation, politely shoo them away! First, start by translating the usual chit-chat. Nice to meet you. How old are you? Do you have any kids? You are very cute. I like your smile. Do a little blah blah and feel the vibe. Then ease into the topic. "I like romantic sex. Same as boyfriend and girlfriend. Do you like?" Then eventually get to the key point. "Can you be my special girlfriend and play with me no condom? If you are good girlfriend for me, I will give good tip. " Now she can react in 2 ways. She can say NO WAY, in which you can politely send her away by translating "Sorry, I want a special girlfriend experience. " OR she can possibly reply with "how much tip". When a girls asks "how much", it is music to my ears..

While I would never want to drive up prices, I'm pretty flexible with paying for extras, I cannot use a condom, so I feel paying 2 x the base rate is acceptable as a maximum.

That's not my starting offer but I don't feel that's "Overpaying" if it gets to that.

375000 is a huge tip on principle, not to me, but to her if she goes over that forget it. (nothing in there is that good looking).

100000 or 200000 is perfectly reasonable, she better be very damn fine for 300000 or 375000.

Thanks for sharing.

[Ass Guru]

Sadly, we will miss each other.

Bro, I will be there 2nd week of June (16 to 20), if you there lets plan to meet up.

[Ass Guru]

Amadeuss bro, can you throw more light on this so we can learn from this and your knowledge, I didn't know about this one, so please be kind enough. How does one take precautions, I love the back door entry and want to be safe and protective at the same time. Terima kasih.

And that happened because your penis wasn't hardened. The first time it encounters these deadly bacteria, it'll be seriously infected. But after a while, the skin there develops resistance, and you can stick your cock in any pussy and nothing will happen.

Now it's too late. At your age, there's a risk that it'll fall off if it gets infected again. Be very careful.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Despite many posts suggesting that BBFS is virtually guaranteed "by offering a tip" in the room during the session at venues like Classic and Travel, it is clear that vitually guaranteed should be taken as not guaranteed for "tampa condom". I appreciate the posters who reveal this fact as it gives a true representation of the uncertainty.

Now to the question, why can't it BBFS just be arranged before? IMHO this can and should be done in venues like Classic and Travel IF it is important to YOU. Google Translate can be your friend here. When you sit with the girl, rather than just immediately blurt out "no condom" to the girl, consider a more eased approach by having a discreet conversation. NOTE: If other girls or mamasan try to look in on your translation, politely shoo them away! First, start by translating the usual chit-chat. Nice to meet you. How old are you? Do you have any kids? You are very cute. I like your smile. Do a little blah blah and feel the vibe. Then ease into the topic. "I like romantic sex. Same as boyfriend and girlfriend. Do you like?" Then eventually get to the key point. "Can you be my special girlfriend and play with me no condom? If you are good girlfriend for me, I will give good tip. " Now she can react in 2 ways. She can say NO WAY, in which you can politely send her away by translating "Sorry, I want a special girlfriend experience. " OR she can possibly reply with "how much tip". When a girls asks "how much", it is music to my ears. Now the conversation is just numbers. Based on what others are claiming, start with 100 k. If she is one of the "BBFS virtually guaranteed with tip" girls described in so many posts, then she should enthusiatically say yes and that is the time to say "okay, deal" to confirm with the girl. If she acknowledges, then it is time to raise your hand for mamasan to pay. Now keep in mind the girl may not be happy with 100 k, so she could ask for something like 200 k or even more. Offer to meet in the middle with 150 k. If she refuses and demands 200 k, then ask yourself if you want to bail over 6 US Dollars or get fucked the way that you want to fuck with no uncertainty. Now you have negotiated up front an all-inclusive experience. There is no tip anymore. You have negotiated what is most important to you, so unless something else special happens in the room, what was a "tip for something special" is just now a fixed extra you give her at the end of the session. Lastly, once the deal is done, politely refuse to entertain any downgrading of the condition like "you cum outside" or the like.

As an aside, this is not just a hypothetical. I use variants of this approach in similar situations in Bangkok, where it is an order of magnitude more difficult to get reliable no-fuss BBFS. It absolutely does not guarantee success, but it helps me to avoid what would otherwise be failures from my POV. Feel free to take or leave this advice. Not minding the uncertainty of being forced to bag up, some would prefer to read the tea leaves or just inshallah. That is a perfectly legit strategy too! Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

I am very good at doing all of this everywhere, except CLASSIC its set up offered unique challenges that has always cock blocked me.

The noise the darkness the smoke, I just can't think clearly, I believe you FUCKING nailed it.

Many thanks, I owe you a girl on my tab!!

When are you in Jakarta?

Can anyone suggest how to link to this to reports of distinction.

I rarely meet someone with better skills than myself, you Sir deserve a bow!!

You mention Bangkok, my BBFS success rate is extremely high at Nana, I would love to show you the ropes there 555.

[Uphill69]

Super great report Uphill. Just the right amount of info mixed in with steamy sex. I love that you have a personal relationship with the Papasan now. That surely made all the difference. And I love the realness of it when you are face to face sharing breaths. That's just so intimate. I got to say I dig it when a girl submits in doggie with her hands being held behind her back. That never fails to crank me. Great report!

Cheers, they take a bit of time, but I'm doing them for myself too so I remember 😀. Yes developing the relationship with David I think has helped, we caught up after each session and he would get feedback back, we also chatted about a bunch of other stuff, a friendly guy.

Indeed the perceived connection element can elevate the experience, I like a good PSE, but a GFE with a bit of kink makes me feel good for days after.

[Uphill69]

I'm "pretty" sure I know who the squirter is =) Is the other girl named Dessi? FYI, you don't need to switch doms, 3 some in Emporium pretty much a one condom both holes place. They also put on an awesome lesbian show for you. Check out the after match of the squirter. Did you end up try anal with her? I did but some people here said that it's impossible in Emporium.

LOL, yes looks like you have been there done that 👍127995; she's a good girl, no not Dessi (Don't know her) second girl was maybe Annie, sounds like that anyway. Good to know re the doms, I have to bring my own next trip, I did the previous one, their doms stretch and slip.

Did not think about a Les show I'll ask next time.

No did not go for anal, she did offer, but as mentioned I do have some girth, the girl needs to have some prep beforehand and it's also not something I need, a thumb in the during doggy is ok, I have found at least 50/50 have no issue with that.

[Uphill69]

Excellent reports. Can't remember seeing a threesome report from Emporivum before, so that was interesting.

A bit disappointing that even when paying that much the girls will still default to the "new pussy, new condom" dance, but could guess it would be like that. Rather cheap of Emporivum that taking two girls does not also extend the time, like it does at classic (1 hour -> 1. 5 hours), especially as they have now reduced the time in room from 1.5h to 1h.

Thanks. Yes the time thing is an issue, the girls did ask if I wanted to extend the time, and David mentioned after he thought I would extend, so it seems it's something they want to upsell.

[Steve 9696]

Super great report Uphill. Just the right amount of info mixed in with steamy sex. I love that you have a personal relationship with the Papasan now. That surely made all the difference. And I love the realness of it when you are face to face sharing breaths. That's just so intimate. I got to say I dig it when a girl submits in doggie with her hands being held behind her back. That never fails to crank me. Great report!

[Uphill69]

One final hurrah.

30 May. Emporium (its close, open from 2 and reasonable expectation of quality).

Typing this up from the airport, as I wait for my flight home.

But before I got here I stopped in at emporium for one last hurrah.

Contact David after lunch let him know I'm coming early, he asked if I wanted to book someone, but I said I'the just pick a girl when I got there.

Security and reception staff know me now, so I get greetings by name and they either tell me that David is in the lounge or call him to come collect me.

Up to the lounge we go, and as I expect its pretty quite, only 2 VIP ladies, one has a pretty face but they are on the larger size which is not my preference, epic tits on both though.

VIP couch has 8 , one is Girl 1 from the last two visits, she is cute, but I would only take her again non of the other options looked promising, anyway the choice was taken from me a minute later as she was called to a back couch, I off handedly mentioned that to David and he offered to go fetch her away from the poor bloke in the back who had just chosen her (maybe my wannabe VIP crew is increasing) anyway that fish has swum and I move on to what is in front of me.

David recommends one of the VIP girls, so I get her up for a twirl, but she really is to big for my taste, she is voluptuous with a big bum, but that not my thing so send her back.

David then points out 2 of the standard who have received good reports, but we pull the whole lineup to introduce themselves, but I can barely catch a name.

There are maybe three quite attractive ladies lined up, but as I chat to David he points out 1 is new so does not know what she would be like, she also does not look too happy, another he says not always good, the other is one of davids recommends, not 100% spot on, but matches several points I look for.

So an easy pick in the end, intro's are made, I'll call her are as to be honest that's about as much of her name as I could catch though I has her repeat and also david, I think my hearing is broken from a long night in T2.

She is short, dark, with a little more meat on the bones than I normally like but not by much so she still looked good in the skin hugging dress and bikini.

Off to the pool we go, and I get a nice shoulder and head / forhead massage with grinding and a bit of chit chat, I try improve my Indo and she tries improve her English, its win win, she also initiates some kissing, which I take to mean I talk to much or am mangling the language and its hurting her ears. I actually start to relax in the pool with her forehead and temple massage, could have stayed much longer, but I think we almost used the full slotted time as I started to wrinkle.

Off to the room, only a standard, but I almost prefer it except no ceiling mirrors or toilet (for those that need it), but it does have a proper shower.

Bed is against one wall with a raised ledge and I already have ideas for that later. Are offers an extra massage, why not, so I let her have a go, its probably not a career change option, what you would expect from a small girl, the technique was there, just no strength.

So I pull her to me and I start my GFE routine, caresses, kissing, groping, fingering, then move her down to a BJ, she is OK, but can't take the length, maybe mid way. So then I sit my self on the ledge which faces the wall mirror and have her continue as well as give the balls some attention. It's a nice view.

Dom on then into missionary, proper GFE looking into each other eyes, breathing each others breath as our lips remain locked. Position change into doggy and she seems excited (she did ask for doggy as the first pos), head and shoulders flat on the bed ass high in the air, she has an extreme arch, then she moves both arms behind her back and grabs my hand so I can hold them in place, we are both looking at ourselves in the mirror and it is pretty fucking good. I pound away for a while and she makes all the good sounds. Then a pos change again and I sit up on the ledge again and have her reverse up onto me so we can both watch as she is fucking me, I find it hot, I hope she does to, I'm rubbing her clit as it fully exposed, and the I ask her to rub herself while I'm play with her tits, going full home porn mode.

And then we drop to the bed and I have her on top for a bit, but she is getting knackered, so switch to missionary again, but I am also flagging, going to need a break, so call time for water and oranges.

She pulls off the dom and I check to make sure she has another, but not sure if she heard, as she jumps in the shower, and I'm like what, does she think we are done, I'm thinking to myself this will go downhill if I have to discuss that we are not done.

But no, she just wanted to freshen up, as she gets a new dom and some lube room her back and then we are back on with her on top, she makes a valiant effort, and I am close, so switch over to prone, which she seems to enjoy and has me hold her neck so she can twist her body and kiss me while I fuck her, and that does it for me I am done.

We both collapse, and then I carefully pull out as the dom has worked its way up to the head, don't want accidental spillage.

I lay back as she cleans me up and then rest before a shower and the checkout call.

I am happy with the session, she really put on a good performance, I think she is in 5th position for my Emporium girls and probably 4th for this trip.

Tip 100 k onto if the 1. 4 mil which includes a tip.

I'm not sure the trip is worth a summary, I literally just went to 2 place, Classic and Emporium, I had plans to go elsewhere this trip, but just CNBF, I know what I like and both these places have it.

Maybe next trip I'll venture to a club to pickup or hit malio, Kota Indah, lokasari (probs not), train tracks (definitely not), I did get Badoo going yesterday, should really have started that earlier, but just wanted to have a peak, it seems to have potential, especially for dates, which is fine for me as I like to eat at nice places and have a few drinks, and discuss stuff other than fucking.

Total nights 9, mongering nights 7.

Budget. Not set.

Spent. Maybe 20 mil possibly.

Girls fucked 10, repeated 2 of them and also had a HJ / BJ from a chubby massage girl.

I'll be in Thailand in August, which is a different game, still undecided which I like better.

[LetMeIn6969]

I'm "pretty" sure I know who the squirter is. Is the other girl named Dessi? FYI, you don't need to switch doms, 3 some in Emporium pretty much a one condom both holes place. They also put on an awesome lesbian show for you. Check out the after match of the squirter. Did you end up try anal with her? I did but some people here said that it's impossible in Emporium.

28 May.

I had a resonably busy day, but also time to contemplate evening activities. I'd had a really good night the evening before and wondered for the first time about repeating the experiance.

The old adage its never as good as the first time, generally holds true, but it can be pretty close but different.

I messaged David about 6 pm and said I was considering coming, did he have any new suggestions, I said I had a good time with the girls last night so if he had other suggestions, he said he was not sure but maybe I could repeat book the girls, I thought to myself why not. So I booked them in for 8 pm.

When I arrived I head up to the lounge and meet david, I check with him about time in the room, if we skip the pool do we get extra time, and he says no, only 1 hour in the room, and 30 minutes in the pool or lounge drinking and chatting.

Off he goes to get the girls who were were in red today. And off to the pool.

I had a realisation that this would actually be the first time I have ever repeated with girls in Indo, so was curious how it would be.

Our rapport was better, none of the getting to know you questions, so we had a bit of pool play and discussed various things, found out one of the girls fantasises about gangbangs and will do anal, we discussed that abit as the second girl was a big no no on anal, but wanted me and the first girl to try, she said mentioned she does not like the start but once warmed up enjoys it, I've done it a few times and under the right circumstances if I'm feeling a little filthy its OK, but its not something I activly seek anymore..

[Amadeuss]

In my entire mongering career of thousands of girls, I had unprotected sex one time and I got gonorrhea. The only STD I've ever had.

And that happened because your penis wasn't hardened. The first time it encounters these deadly bacteria, it'll be seriously infected. But after a while, the skin there develops resistance, and you can stick your cock in any pussy and nothing will happen.

Now it's too late. At your age, there's a risk that it'll fall off if it gets infected again. Be very careful.