Seeking Arrangements

[VanessasClient]

Somebody is bullshitting somebody here because there is ZERO chance of the Mexican authorities printing a new passport onsite and CERTAINLY no chance of them printing a passport for a country other than Mexico.

Good thing for me that you are so knowledgeable, and that I'm in the business of justifying my personal affairs with other people.

[Manizales911]

She told me "yes yes, of course, I am always very polite with people in the airport. " Anyway, I had an internet signal on my flight, and I get a Whatsapp from her that they are detaining her. Not sending her back to Colombia, but just pulling her aside from further review. I don't remember the exact amount of time they held her, but it was at least a couple of hours, because my flight was scheduled to land after hers. Anyway, they verified her hotel and return flight, but said there was an issue with her passport. So they literally gave her a new passport on the spot, with a new picture. I was shocked, I didn't even know the Mexican government had a laminating machine to print passports for another country (Colombia) inside of the airport. I thought passports were only manufactured in consular centers for the country in question.

The agent wrote a note next to her passport stamp saying "This woman is to be gone by xx date, and not a day later" which coincided with the date of her return flight. When I met her inside of the airport, she told me she was scared when they held her in the room like that.

Somebody is bullshitting somebody here because there is ZERO chance of the Mexican authorities printing a new passport onsite and CERTAINLY no chance of them printing a passport for a country other than Mexico.

[VanessasClient]

Elvis brought up a good point. The Colombian I used to see was worried about getting past immigration in Mexico. They have "requirements" for entry. Sometimes they are not evenly enforced access the board, depending on the agent at the desk that particular day. Even if no visa is required, you usually have to show proof of where you will be staying, a return ticket proving when you will leave, as well as sufficient funds to support yourself during your visit. Some countries require a card showing proof of yellow fever vaccine if you are arriving from South America, the Caribbean, and certain other places.

Anyway, I guess she had every right to be worried. I gave her suggestions on how to behave. I told her that the very moment she approaches the agent at the desk, before they have even have a chance to ask for her passport, she should loudly announce "Hola, como estas? And offer to shake their hand through the glass window. I told her not to say it so loud that it sounds like a scream or a shout, and that she should also appear bubbly and have a huge smile on her face. I tried to explain to her that drug smugglers and other visitors with ill intentions are trying to maintain as low of a profile as possible. And that if she is jumping up and down, behaving all lively and excited, she's going to draw attention to herself. But the important thing is that she's going to look like a tourist, which is exactly what we want. If you show up to the desk wearing a Lei around your neck and have sun screen smeared all over your cheeks, the agent is more likely to think "Oh great, just another annoying tourist. Let me hurry them through and maybe they will go spend some money in gaudy gift shops. ".

She told me "yes yes, of course, I am always very polite with people in the airport. " Anyway, I had an internet signal on my flight, and I get a Whatsapp from her that they are detaining her. Not sending her back to Colombia, but just pulling her aside from further review. I don't remember the exact amount of time they held her, but it was at least a couple of hours, because my flight was scheduled to land after hers. Anyway, they verified her hotel and return flight, but said there was an issue with her passport. So they literally gave her a new passport on the spot, with a new picture. I was shocked, I didn't even know the Mexican government had a laminating machine to print passports for another country (Colombia) inside of the airport. I thought passports were only manufactured in consular centers for the country in question.

The agent wrote a note next to her passport stamp saying "This woman is to be gone by xx date, and not a day later" which coincided with the date of her return flight. When I met her inside of the airport, she told me she was scared when they held her in the room like that.

Anyway, that's one more thing to consider. Just because a visa is not required, doesn't mean they are going to let her in. The girl in question has to know how to follow instructions.

Also, I had a girl with asthma ask me to buy her a vape pen one time, but I didn't know she had breathing trouble before I bought it. Let's suppose I had declined. Or, maybe she wants you to take her to the mall to buy expensive jewelry or designer hand bags. What if you refuse because that wasn't included in the original plans? Now you have a woman traveling with you that is maybe pissed at you because you didn't get her everything her little heart desired. If you are going to do it, I would also have a backup plan in case something like this happens.

I have flown girls from Colombia to Mexico. IMO if you think there is a chance they are not coming or will not make it through customs, then I would not bother. If you are sure she is coming, then send her the ticket. If you think there is a good chance she wants to go, there is a 3rd option.

I had one gal that I was pretty sure really wanted to come to Mexico but I was worried about her making it through Mexican customs, so I flew with her from Colombia to Mexico. For you, I know it is a hassle and an expense, but if you really want a Brazilian girl to go with you, you should fly to Brazil and take the flight to Europe with her.

There are all these rules and regs we guys take for granted that these women do not know like no perfume in your carry on and do not be decked out in jewelery. I have had that and other issues when traveling with a sugar baby.

Then there is just the overall conduct of people not knowing you have virtually no rights when traveling. We all to know as agreeable as possible when traveling. Many women do not. I had one idiot woman slam her passport in front of a customs agent once. I was so embarrassed. I was like this guy has like 10 X the power of a cop and you just pissed him off. She was dead to me after that trip.

You should read the Mann Act. I do not know of the USA government doing anything with bringing a woman across international borders, and I doubt this will be a problem, but you should have some plausible deniability if the issue were to come up.

It does not appear as if Europe is anywhere near as anal as the Americas on trafficking, but the profile of the trafficked woman is a single young attractive woman travelling on her own, and the airline itself can deny her entry. No one questioned me and this SB about anything. When we got to Mexico, we were thoroughly searched as were other passengers but I think customs was looking for drugs as we were coming from Colombia after all.

[Elvis 2008]

Thanks for the anecdote, that's what I was looking for.

How much money did you give the Brazilians and for how long?

My top choice says both of her parents have passed so no mama drama there.

I'm waiting to get some positive signals from them. Maybe I'll mention the money, specifically, and see if they show more interest.

I'm leaning towards not doing this.

I have flown girls from Colombia to Mexico. IMO if you think there is a chance they are not coming or will not make it through customs, then I would not bother. If you are sure she is coming, then send her the ticket. If you think there is a good chance she wants to go, there is a 3rd option.

I had one gal that I was pretty sure really wanted to come to Mexico but I was worried about her making it through Mexican customs, so I flew with her from Colombia to Mexico. For you, I know it is a hassle and an expense, but if you really want a Brazilian girl to go with you, you should fly to Brazil and take the flight to Europe with her.

There are all these rules and regs we guys take for granted that these women do not know like no perfume in your carry on and do not be decked out in jewelery. I have had that and other issues when traveling with a sugar baby.

Then there is just the overall conduct of people not knowing you have virtually no rights when traveling. We all to know as agreeable as possible when traveling. Many women do not. I had one idiot woman slam her passport in front of a customs agent once. I was so embarrassed. I was like this guy has like 10 X the power of a cop and you just pissed him off. She was dead to me after that trip.

You should read the Mann Act. I do not know of the USA government doing anything with bringing a woman across international borders, and I doubt this will be a problem, but you should have some plausible deniability if the issue were to come up.

It does not appear as if Europe is anywhere near as anal as the Americas on trafficking, but the profile of the trafficked woman is a single young attractive woman travelling on her own, and the airline itself can deny her entry. No one questioned me and this SB about anything. When we got to Mexico, we were thoroughly searched as were other passengers but I think customs was looking for drugs as we were coming from Colombia after all.

[Steve 9696]

Thanks for the anecdote, that's what I was looking for.

How much money did you give the Brazilians and for how long?

My top choice says both of her parents have passed so no mama drama there.

I'm waiting to get some positive signals from them. Maybe I'll mention the money, specifically, and see if they show more interest.

I'm leaning towards not doing this.

Generally when I stay with a girl for a few days I give them the same PPM per day as I gave them on our first date. So if I gave a girl 500 R and our date was 3 hrs I also give her 500 R per day. This is whether I visit their city and stay together or I fly them somewhere.

I might try to bring it down a bit based on the travel expense and her getting several days in a row. Like the most recent girl I was flying to Europe propose. I was giving her 1500-2000 R / night (if you met her you would see this is 100% worth it) and she said how about 3500 R for our four day trip.

Hopefully that gives you some framework.

[CherchezFemme]

I've prob flown girls 15 times and been pretty lucky ;.

Thanks for the anecdote, that's what I was looking for.

How much money did you give the Brazilians and for how long?

My top choice says both of her parents have passed so no mama drama there.

I'm waiting to get some positive signals from them. Maybe I'll mention the money, specifically, and see if they show more interest.

I'm leaning towards not doing this.

[DwayneJohnson]

Interesting about the Czech version. Currently in Prague, and it's filled with Ukrainian hotties. Had a fair share of them so far in the massage parlours, all model quality. Been searching for some on Seeking, can't find any. Can't be bothered with Czech women, wondering if this site you mentioned has any Ukrainian girls on there? 'Sponsor' culture is quite normalised and common with Russian and Ukrainian girls, just can't seem to find a way to access them in Prague. I've seen a few foreign older guys waking around with Ukrainian hotties too, so definitely feel like I'm missing out on something. Would appreciate some intel on this.

Ukrainian girls are mostly found in massage parlors or privats. Seeking doesn't get same level of Ukrainian inflow as those in privats due to language barrier or lack of popularity. Those older guys with hot girls probably picked them up from privats or Showpark.

[Steve 9696]

VanessasClient.

Your reply is depressing but rings of truth. There are no guarantees are there? Plus women are far less reliable than men. Add in the fact that these girls are pros and most pros IME are average intelligence at best, and tend towards the dumb side of the bell curve. It's crazy how slow some of them are to respond. With most you can't send them a long message with multiple ideas and questions because they won't reply to 90% of it.

Let's see if someone else chimes in.

I've prob flown girls 15 times and been pretty lucky but been burned twice. In no case du I know the girl more than fucked once or maybe twice.

Interestingly all girls that I've flown from US city A to US city B have not flaked and been great. Las Vegas to Miami. Philly to Dallas. That kind of thing.

I have successfully flown Brazilians to Europe twice. And it was AMAZING. But also two fails. One time I flew a girl from Buenos Aires to London and she dumped me and fucked other guys! Fuck that hurt. More recently I have had two Brazilian girls bail because their mother was worried and put her foot down. One I lost Airfare and the other (just yesterday!) got cold feet before I booked. Her mom was worried about her being trafficked by this guy she didn't know well.

So def be careful. It can be wonderful or tank. Def pay attention to the strong mother daughter vibe in Brazil. The momma trumps all! 😝.

[AmericanPi]

VanessasClient.

Your reply is depressing but rings of truth. There are no guarantees are there? Plus women are far less reliable than men. Add in the fact that these girls are pros and most pros IME are average intelligence at best, and tend towards the dumb side of the bell curve. It's crazy how slow some of them are to respond. With most you can't send them a long message with multiple ideas and questions because they won't reply to 90% of it.

Let's see if someone else chimes in.

It's a total cliche but some stereotypes are true.

I very often have experiences with these girls, observe general stupidity, and think this is the reason I'm in a position to pay this money and you're in the position to work for it.

Just constant random things. You ask 2 questions on text but they can only answer one at a time. You ask them their life plans and they're retarded stuff like to be an influencer. You ask about their interests and they all revolve around stupid vapid nonsense.

I often look at them and think, wow either some guy is going to rescue you or you're going to spend your life working retail because you don't seem to have the cognitive power or base ambition to really do anything more than what you're doing now.

(Mind you I'm only talking about the majority. Yes exceptions exist).

[CherchezFemme]

VanessasClient.

Your reply is depressing but rings of truth. There are no guarantees are there? Plus women are far less reliable than men. Add in the fact that these girls are pros and most pros IME are average intelligence at best, and tend towards the dumb side of the bell curve. It's crazy how slow some of them are to respond. With most you can't send them a long message with multiple ideas and questions because they won't reply to 90% of it.

Let's see if someone else chimes in.

[CherchezFemme]

Great tip on the location, thanks.

That's going to happen if you have your location (city) set to the USA. I NEVER use the seeking app, or seeking from the browser on my phone, because the site will ask for location permission. Which might conflict with the location you specify. I ONLY use seeking from a desktop computer, which I will not be prompted for location access, and can set my city to wherever I goddamn well please, without a VPN.

With all the experience I have in life now, it is beyond me why anyone would pursue a gringa woman in this day and age.

[VanessasClient]

Guys, I want to fly a provider to meet me in Europe. Most of these girls I met in Brazil.

I would like advice on how much I should pay (roughly) and advice on how to set up the behavior I expect. Would love to hear from those who have actually done it and can give advice based on experience. What I mean is how to inoculate against possible problems such as her saying she has a headache, her period started early (I'll still want to fuck). Basically how to install the frame that even though we're going to have fun she needs to be PROFESSIONAL and behave like a professional.

I want her to hang with me a few days in my hometown, then travel a bit around Italy and probably Spain and Portugal. I want sex 2 x a day and of course I would want a nice fun attitude and no whining.

I only want to bring a girl I've already fucked, which leaves me with these choices. UNLESS you think I can do it successfully without knowing the girl beforehand. There are a lot of girls in Brazil and Colombia!

The girls I know:

1 - fantastic girl, sweet and we really had good chemistry, 25 yo. My top choice, but she is replying less and less to my messages and didn't say much to my offer of flying her to Europe, other than saying she was afraid of long flights. So I can't count on her.

2 - Nice enough girl, 22, but very Gen Z. A little moody, a bit quiet, a bit slow to respond, her IG is nothing but anime memes. She seems the most interested. I'm slightly concerned that she wouldn't be 100 percent compliant.

3- Nice girl, 28, a bit dumb but that's probably a bonus. Does not have a passport. Not sure she can get her act together and get an expedited passport in time.

4- a real pro, she's already done 2 tours of Europe working as an independent escort. She would do it but will probably ask too much. She's smart with her money (and good for her).

So any advice is welcome.

I've done it before, but won't do it anymore, unless the girl shows initiative; and 90% + of girls will not. I had success on 3 occasions in a row, with the same girl that I would continue to see. Were it not for the fact that she inadvertently got pregnant with another man's baby. She's going to keep the baby and attempt to start a family with the man; I have no clue whether it will work. Regardless.

There's another girl I tried it with last year. Like the other girl, she is someone I had spent time with before. First time she bailed because she claimed her grandmother was in the hospital. Lucky for me I had a refundable ticket with LatAm, so they covered me. I spoke to the hotel manager, and he also covered me on her room. But, I still lost money on some of the tours I had scheduled for she and I. The 2nd time I was willing to take much less risk, given my prior experience with her. So I said "if you want to see me and go on this vacation, you'll need to ride the bus" So I got her a bus ticket that cost $40 USD. She failed to get to the bus station on time, and blamed it on the rain. So from here on out, if she wants something from me, she's going to have to pay off her debt with the only bodily organ she has of any value; and quit hint, it's not her brain.

Anyway, there's another girl I can think of that I get along pretty well with. But, she has asthma and is prone to unexpected health problems. And the last thing I want is to get a call 2 hours before her flight telling me she's stuck in the emergency room. Because I don't always have a fully refundable flight.

Basically the conclusion I came to was that if you setup an arrangement like this, it is completely dependent on the other person upholding their end of the bargain. If they get into a car accident on the way to the airport, you are out of money. If they forgot it was their sister's wedding or birthday party the day of the flight, you are out of money. Or if they just change their mind and decide to mess with you for whatever reason, you are also at a loss. Women in general are far more volatile and far less reliable than men, and in the end I just decided it wasn't worth the risk anymore.

Even the girl I struck gold with on those 3 occasions didn't provide sex quite as often as I would have preferred on 2 out of the 3 trips. Granted, there are legit reasons for not being in "the mood", such as a near fatal binge drinking episode resulting in a catastrophic hangover. But, even if I had pressured her or refused to pay what I agreed to, I 100% guarantee you that would have very bitterly ended that connection at bare minimum, but likely could have resulted in other repercussions. Remember, even if this woman doesn't have your room key, they know your room number. And there are few things foreign law enforcement love more than aggressively pursuing a gringo they perceive as wealthy. I wouldn't have pushed her for more sex anyhow after she already declined. Not only because it's inappropriate, but we didn't specify a specific number of times we were going to fuck before the trip; she just understood that sex was expected. Still, if you're going to take the risk on this kind of travel arrange, definitely do not pay any compensation until the very last day of the trip, ideally right before going to the airport.

I don't advise it; too risky for my taste. I'll just find a girl at my target destination. And if there are none to my liking, I'll just go alone, and with any luck I might meet someone while I'm over there. On that note, there was another girl I was talking to who had the money to pay for her own flight, and I told her I would reimburse her if her behavior on the trip was satisfactory. She declined. And that's where you'll get that 90+ % number from. More than likely 99% or higher.

[Jbob084]

Non-pro price range depends more on physical attractiveness and flirting skills of buyer than the location. Even after that $150 per meeting is too low for a client without long term prospect in most of the Europe. You might get some pro's pretending as Non-pro at that price. I see lot of pros also making profile as Non-pro on seeking in prague, I use local Czech version similar to seeking (hledamsponzora dot cz) but it's not worth the hassle for tourists. SEA or South America are far better option for your requirements.

Interesting about the Czech version. Currently in Prague, and it's filled with Ukrainian hotties. Had a fair share of them so far in the massage parlours, all model quality. Been searching for some on Seeking, can't find any. Can't be bothered with Czech women, wondering if this site you mentioned has any Ukrainian girls on there? 'Sponsor' culture is quite normalised and common with Russian and Ukrainian girls, just can't seem to find a way to access them in Prague. I've seen a few foreign older guys waking around with Ukrainian hotties too, so definitely feel like I'm missing out on something. Would appreciate some intel on this.

[CherchezFemme]

Guys, I want to fly a provider to meet me in Europe. Most of these girls I met in Brazil.

I would like advice on how much I should pay (roughly) and advice on how to set up the behavior I expect. Would love to hear from those who have actually done it and can give advice based on experience. What I mean is how to inoculate against possible problems such as her saying she has a headache, her period started early (I'll still want to fuck). Basically how to install the frame that even though we're going to have fun she needs to be PROFESSIONAL and behave like a professional.

I want her to hang with me a few days in my hometown, then travel a bit around Italy and probably Spain and Portugal. I want sex 2 x a day and of course I would want a nice fun attitude and no whining.

I only want to bring a girl I've already fucked, which leaves me with these choices. UNLESS you think I can do it successfully without knowing the girl beforehand. There are a lot of girls in Brazil and Colombia!

The girls I know:

1 - fantastic girl, sweet and we really had good chemistry, 25 yo. My top choice, but she is replying less and less to my messages and didn't say much to my offer of flying her to Europe, other than saying she was afraid of long flights. So I can't count on her.

2 - Nice enough girl, 22, but very Gen Z. A little moody, a bit quiet, a bit slow to respond, her IG is nothing but anime memes. She seems the most interested. I'm slightly concerned that she wouldn't be 100 percent compliant.

3- Nice girl, 28, a bit dumb but that's probably a bonus. Does not have a passport. Not sure she can get her act together and get an expedited passport in time.

4- a real pro, she's already done 2 tours of Europe working as an independent escort. She would do it but will probably ask too much. She's smart with her money (and good for her).

So any advice is welcome.

[DramaFree11]

I really don't think you are going to find a Seeking girl for 150 in Europe that meets your bar. The economy simply doesn't support such a low number. I've been able to find a couple GND girls in Spain at 250 but even that is not easy girls in Spain (a second tier economy) seem locked in at 300-350. Others may have deeper Euro experience than me but I doubt 150 is happening.

On the other hand finding that in Brazil is easy. I've had a few great and stunning girls at 500 R ($90) even. One became long term and travel girl.

Yep, in CDMX I am paying between $225-300 in CDMX. A little less in MTY.