Sao Paulo Reports

[Axel Heyst]

Thanks everyone on the guidance / ideas!

I checked out some of the 5* hotels for my dates (8/9 to 8/16) next month. The prices seem a bit too high. No? Most of these (renaissance / jw / hyatt etc.) seem to be easily $300-$400 per night plus taxes. I usually like to have a suite with a seating area just to relax with the girls / drink there before heading to the bed. The suites seem insane at $500-$600 per night or above. Is Sao Paulo supposed to be this expensive, or is it just the month of August that it becomes expensive / tourist visits?

Ended up booking the Marriott Executive apartment as it has that small apartment feel with a seating area. Though it is not high end / flashy. I might be ok with that, as I am thinking of going to some fancy motels (Lush, Asturia, or some of the other ones mentioned here in the forum) as they seem to be a nice deal I think for $100-$150 for some of the nicer suites with pools etc. Will love to take the girls there may be and then come back to my apartment and sleep. Couple of questions:

1. I think Marriott Executive apartments is supposed to be totally girl friendly and no upcharges? Seems like few reports mentioned that.

SP 5-star hotel prices are in the stratosphere. I don't know anyone who pays the rack rate. But room rates fluctuate, almost weekly, and sometimes the chains offer weekend discounts or 3-to-5-night discount bookings that are much more reasonable. The main way I get around these huge rack rates is by using hotel points and annual voucher nights that I accumulate over time from various hotel chain credit cards like the Chase Marriott & Chase Hyatt. Having membership standing with these hotels can get you room upgrades at no additional cost when available. For example. On my last April visit the Intercontinental upgraded my reservation from their king bedroom to their largest 1 br suite facing the front of the hotel. I paid in points and vouchers for my 5-night stay. It was grand! And on the same trip, the Hyatt, while undergoing extensive lobby renovations, upgraded my queen bedroom reso to their 1 br suite facing the river. Again, I paid in points and vouchers for my 5-night stay. The Hyatt is my favorite hotel in SP despite the fact that the surrounding neighborhood is completely uninteresting and a touch out of the way.

That said, I like the Marriot Exec hotel. It ain't 5 star, but it is comfortable, it is girl friendly, and the location is GREAT. Unfortunately, Marriot does not accept hotel points for this property. It is cash only at all of their exec apartment hotels worldwide. I have stayed at 2 different Marriott Exec Apart Hotels in BKK and liked them both.

[RahulMangla2009]

Thanks everyone on the guidance / ideas!

I checked out some of the 5* hotels for my dates (8/9 to 8/16) next month. The prices seem a bit too high. No? Most of these (renaissance / jw / hyatt etc.) seem to be easily $300-$400 per night plus taxes. I usually like to have a suite with a seating area just to relax with the girls / drink there before heading to the bed. The suites seem insane at $500-$600 per night or above. Is Sao Paulo supposed to be this expensive, or is it just the month of August that it becomes expensive / tourist visits?

Ended up booking the Marriott Executive apartment as it has that small apartment feel with a seating area. Though it is not high end / flashy. I might be ok with that, as I am thinking of going to some fancy motels (Lush, Asturia, or some of the other ones mentioned here in the forum) as they seem to be a nice deal I think for $100-$150 for some of the nicer suites with pools etc. Will love to take the girls there may be and then come back to my apartment and sleep. Couple of questions:

1. I think Marriott Executive apartments is supposed to be totally girl friendly and no upcharges? Seems like few reports mentioned that.

2. How do we usually book some of these love motels (lush / asturia)? Do I have to book in advance or I can just pick a girl from scandallo and take her to one and book it on the spot? I have heard that I can just show up in the driveway and choose on the computer what is available. Is that how it works?

3. What time does Scandallo close? I see on google it says 5 AM on most nights. If I am unable to pick up a girl by 4 AM in Dubai clubs, they just mostly disperse and sometimes I have to go back alone to my room (sucks! If I want to pick a girl late in the early morning I. E. Around 5 AM or even 6 AM, do girls hang out at scandallo? Any other spots you would recommend?

You plan is solid, just remember, all plans go out the window upon arrival as you start meeting the girls andget tinto the action. KKK! Enjoy!

As to hotels: There are lots of good 4. 5 to 5* GF choices. Here are a few that I have stayed at and can recommend for various reasons: I like the Rennaissance & the Intercontinental in Jardim. The Grand Mercure Itaim Bibi, the Marriott Exec Apt in Itaim Bibi, my favorite neighborhood to stay, and the nearby W (a new Marriott that I have not been to before, but have an upcoming reservation for on my next trip. And lastly there is the JW, the Hyatt, the Hilton, the Sheraton, and the Gran Estanplaza Berrini over by the river in Morumbi, more or less. Plus, since you like Hilton, they have 2 additional hotels to consider: the Qoya Hotel Sao Paulo (Paulista Ave) and the DoubleTree (Itaim Bibi). Read more in the hotel thread and choose your poison.

A. H.

[Trojan22]

In my view, Solarium is a "must-see" terma.

Solarium used to be "must-see" for me. However, the last few times I've gone there, it's been a total sausage fest in there. There's like 30 guys all sitting right next to each other shoulders touching and everything with like 20-25 girls around. And the talent level there isn't as nice as it once was either.

The place is just way too small overall. It's significantly smaller than Monte Carlo and Centaurus and probably slightly smaller than 4 x4 however 4 x4 has different floors and different stuff going on each floor so it seems more spread out at least.

Theres better places to go to than waste time at Solarium imo.

[The Cane]

Definitely not. For example almost all the clinicas in SP are in Moema, which on balance is a nice residential area. Casarao is in a rougher location. Scan somewhere in the middle. 4 x4 is downtown and dicey area. Monte Carlo and the Boate's are all in Copa which, while you need to be careful at night is the big tourist Mecca. So I see very little correlation between hours / type of venue and location.

True Steve, but remember there are some clubs way out in Barra (absolute nicest, most upscale part of Rio). And then Solarium is in Lagoa, another more upscale part of the city which is also a bit of a haul from Copa, but not nearly as far as Barra. In my view, Solarium is a "must-see" terma. Perola Negra was also good with strong talent last time I was in Rio, but it's a long way from Copa man, which as you say, is where the majority of the action is. This is why I will never choose Barra as "headquarters". But Perola Negra was worth at least one visit during my last stay. And I will return!

[Axel Heyst]

Great info here as well! I am a bit confused though. If these venues are generally bars and clubs that have a lot of FLs, then why would there be a take out fee? I can understand if the girl works for the bar much like those in Thailand where there is a bar fine. But if the girls are FLs, how is this tied to a takeout fee? If FLs can come and go as they please, what's stopping them from meeting with you outside the club to bypass such a takeout fee? I guess what I'm saying is that I'm equating take out fee to a bar fine in Thailand and don't understand the rationale if the girls are FLs who are not really working for the bar.

This question more appropriately belongs in the Sap Paulo thread, so I will answer it here accordingly.

Many attractive, FL girls want to work in a boate because that is where they will find a lot of men with money in their wallets. Yes, boate girls are independent contractors, FLs, but this fact does not prevent a boate from imposing certain work requirements on the girls if they want to work in that particular boate and thus gain access to the bordello's well off customer base.

Scandallo, for example, with the largest customer base in Brazil, will charge girls an entry fee unless they sign up for specific weekly scheduling assignments. Scan has 2 shifts: an afternoon shift and the evening shift (10 pm to closing). Girls can choose either shift they prefer, but the club will assign specific, required nights for them to be there. If a girl does not comply with the scheduling, she will have to pay the entry fee. Most girls comply because they are working girls and not superstars, but I always see a few model quality girls arriving late at night. They seem to come and go as they like because they can afford to pay the entry fee since their ask is so high. KKK. There is also an exit fee (equal to the hotel fee) which keeps most girls in the club unless they find a customer that wants to pay the fee and take them out.

I and other BM's have posted many times about meeting boate girls outside of the club. This is very doable because a girl can just call the club and tell them she isn't feeling well. This excuse will work for a few days in a row, but eventually the club will take her off schedule and she will have to start paying the entry fee again when she wants to return. My favorite boate girl falls into this category. When I am in town, for 3 to 6 weeks, she takes leave of Scandallo, and effectively becomes, my mistress while I am in town. Then after I leave SP, she gets back on Scan's schedule. BTW, she dislikes having to be there until closing time. She says it gets real boring around 3 am.

[Steve 9696]

This is great info. In general, are clinicas and boates in SP and also prives and termas in RJ in different class neighbourhoods which in turn kind of determine what they are, ie. , boates and termas are in higher end locations while clinicas and prives are in lower end areas?

Definitely not. For example almost all the clinicas in SP are in Moema, which on balance is a nice residential area. Casarao is in a rougher location. Scan somewhere in the middle.

4 x4 is downtown and dicey area. Monte Carlo and the Boate's are all in Copa which, while you need to be careful at night is the big tourist Mecca.

So I see very little correlation between hours / type of venue and location.

[Exoticspirit]

Think of it this way; an SP clinica is like a BKK oily massage parlor with set prices and the girls work for the house. A SP boate is a nightclub full of FL, independant, working girls whom punters can audition, wine & dine if they want, and ultimately take upstairs or back home. Clinicas are mainly set up for afternoon & early evening diversions. Boates are generally set up for nighttime entertainment although there are exceptions (afternoon openings).

SP has clincas & boates. RJ has prives & termas. The prives are are cheaper than clinicas, but Prive talent and environment is not as good as the clinicas if you ask me. RJ termas remind me of Pattaya Gentlemen Clubs and there are some good termas in RJ. Terma girls work for the house (set prices) but are quite gregarious and punters can test drive them in the bar / lounge area them before deciding whether to ask them upstairs. Takeout is PROHIBITIVELY expensive. Lastly, RJ does not have any boates worth mentioning (so sad).

P.S. Look up the addresses yourself!

This is great info. In general, are clinicas and boates in SP and also prives and termas in RJ in different class neighbourhoods which in turn kind of determine what they are, ie. , boates and termas are in higher end locations while clinicas and prives are in lower end areas?

[Hanzonamura]

do any of you have recommendations for places with real massage?

Buddha Spa was excellent. Didn't have the impression the pricing was unfair or prohibitive.

[Steve 9696]

Think of it this way; an SP clinica is like a BKK oily massage parlor with set prices and the girls work for the house. A SP boate is a nightclub full of FL, independant, working girls whom punters can audition, wine & dine if they want, and ultimately take upstairs or back home. Clinicas are mainly set up for afternoon & early evening diversions. Boates are generally set up for nighttime entertainment although there are exceptions (afternoon openings).

SP has clincas & boates. RJ has prives & termas. The prives are are cheaper than clinicas, but Prive talent and environment is not as good as the clinicas if you ask me. RJ termas remind me of Pattaya Gentlemen Clubs and there are some good termas in RJ. Terma girls work for the house (set prices) but are quite gregarious and punters can test drive them in the bar / lounge area them before deciding whether to ask them upstairs. Takeout is PROHIBITIVELY expensive. Lastly, RJ does not have any boates worth mentioning (so sad).

P.S. Look up the addresses yourself!

As usual Axel is on point. A couple adds tho. In terms of the RJ terma test drive you can of course French kiss a girl that is open to but also many will slip their hand under your robe and play with your dick. Experienced this at both Monte Carlo and Centaurus. Beware tho esp at Centaurus where the girls are first class sharks it's hard to skip the room after ten minutes of handy work!

Also I would say that Dolce Vita qualifies as a worthy RJ boate after 1 AM. Not nearly as good as SPs Scandallo or Casarao but you can def find a hottie for takeout. Casa Blanca would be another option but last time I was there they had a steep 600 R takeout fee. In my case it was a gem and I was not unhappy but def know it's steep going in!

[Steve 9696]

Does the Brazillian e-visa need to be printed in color or would black and white suffice? Searched for this online but didn't get any hits. Can someone who's traveled after the visa requirement confirm?

I think it's stupid that an "e-visa" needs to even be printed at all but I see it mentions that two printed copies are necessary for entry.

Yeah black and white is fine. Worked for me.

[Nounce]

By the way, I still have yet to be anywhere in the world as a tourist where I have been told I could not use cash and had to use a credit card. ... Do they prefer one over the other?.

I told you one example before already. Haha. Many places will prefer cash for tax reasons and you can easily get a discount with cash payment.

Here is a not entirely related example. Many places, especially the high end ones, that you pay the girl separately. If you put on a card, there is an extra charge. That charge is because the girl need to put tax on them.

[Trojan22]

Does the Brazillian e-visa need to be printed in color or would black and white suffice? Searched for this online but didn't get any hits. Can someone who's traveled after the visa requirement confirm?

I think it's stupid that an "e-visa" needs to even be printed at all but I see it mentions that two printed copies are necessary for entry.

[Axel Heyst]

Could someone describe to me what are clinical and boates? I have been only in Belo Horizonte and visited motels near the bust terminal in the north so I'm not all that Brazil experienced but will get there hopefully soon. Also is anyone could provide any addresses in Rio and So Paulo. Thanks in Advance.

Think of it this way; an SP clinica is like a BKK oily massage parlor with set prices and the girls work for the house. A SP boate is a nightclub full of FL, independant, working girls whom punters can audition, wine & dine if they want, and ultimately take upstairs or back home. Clinicas are mainly set up for afternoon & early evening diversions. Boates are generally set up for nighttime entertainment although there are exceptions (afternoon openings).

SP has clincas & boates. RJ has prives & termas. The prives are are cheaper than clinicas, but Prive talent and environment is not as good as the clinicas if you ask me. RJ termas remind me of Pattaya Gentlemen Clubs and there are some good termas in RJ. Terma girls work for the house (set prices) but are quite gregarious and punters can test drive them in the bar / lounge area them before deciding whether to ask them upstairs. Takeout is PROHIBITIVELY expensive. Lastly, RJ does not have any boates worth mentioning (so sad).

P.S. Look up the addresses yourself!

[The Cane]

I think others assume it was half hour because of how much you paid the girl.

By the way, I still have yet to be anywhere in the world as a tourist where I have been told I could not use cash and had to use a credit card. I told you I would tell you when it happened, if ever, and it still has not to me in all my travels (started traveling internationally again last year). Not at any restaurant, bar, nightclub, grocery store, gift shop, nowhere. Cash or credit welcome! Again, if it's one that's been refused overseas it's been the credit card in favor of cash money. So, still waiting for someone to tell me credit card only. Nobody has ever refused to take this tourist's cash in over 50 countries. Cash remains a king! Especially when it comes to paying the tutes haha! Credit cards also are a king, but people are still taking that cash! Do they prefer one over the other? I don't know and don't care as along as I can use whichever I choose to in the moment.

[Ak233]

I have done a lot of reading about the massage clinics, but do any of you have recommendations for places with real massage? It seems that a real massage is more expensive than having sex in a clinic (300-400 are / hour massage vs 250 are / hour sex in some clinics). Go figure. I wouldn't mind taking a break from the sex to just relax with a sensitive therapeutic massage. Any suggestions?