Chicago Club Reports

[Sol12]

Let's face it, short term rooms suck. Nowadays, I see this as the option for newbs, once-a-year guys, and old guys stuck in the 90's. Honestly, one of my concerns with CC is that girls choose to work at this club solely because the short term room is the only option, thus giving them more control and power to manipulate.

Having your own room definitely shifts the balance of power in your favor. It's almost like the difference between inviting her back to your place vs her place. At your place, you are in controlnot the girl or the towel boy.

And negotiating some arrangement OTC is just to complicated and too much work on any given night. I would only do this after I have seen the girl a couple times anyway.

When was the last time you spent much time with a CC girl or took one to the room? CC girls are verylaid back and are happy to sit and drink and I never had one recently in a rush to go back so they definitely don't work at CC because of the short term room option. Maybe you had bad luck with someone that has given you this jaded viewpoint but I definitely don't think of them to be any more or less manipulative than any other girl in the Zona you just have to know how to weed those ones out.

[Sol12]

Doesn't CC recruit from other countries as well as Mexico, unlike HK? And I don't know about the economy, but the selection is the zona is way better than it used to be 10-15 years ago. The selection in Chicago isn't even that far removed from it's heyday before HK became the "it" club. It's just that HK is now such a mecca of talent, the other clubs pale in comparison.

I don't know about money laundering, but a simple web page and a vip card would cost virtually nothing.

Not really. They have some attractive girls. They just need to offer a good deal because the setup sucks. It's hard to go with the few attractive girls they have, though, when the club down the street has more of them AND offers a better deal.

The HK VIP card is a great deal if you go as frequently as I do. It pays for itself through the free drink alone. With the free parking and the hotel discount it's a must have if you are a regular. What does CC now charge for the short term room? And then you get the obligatory knock knock after 15-20 min. Not worth it. Can you get a room at Leyva and take a girl there straight from the club? I don't want TLN. I just want the luxury of taking a girl to my own room. How much does Leyva even charge nowadays? Last time I got a room at Leyva was like 8 years ago and it was something like 25-30 bucks.

What if you ask the girl to meet you at your room at Rizo after her shift? Are they allowed to go there, eeing that they are from the competitors club? That might actually make it workthwile

Well I'm not trying to be argumentative but some if your responses contradict what you have said.

CC doesn't recruit from other countries, those girls are already in Mexico and working at other clubs and will often move around the clubs to make money.

I'm surprised nobody else chimed in on this but IMO the quality and selection has gone down a lot compared to 10 to 15 years ago. Maybe you meant that the quality in CC is better and not the Zona in general. Also I'm not sure when you started going to CC but in the 90's and early 2000's they had a lot of young attractive girls which is a very very far cry from what they have now. You're lucky if you find 2 attractive girls in the place compared to the dozens they used to have. At least that has been my experience and the good looking girls that they do get don't usually last long and end up over at HK.

I'm not sure what a web page would cost CC but the site HK has seems pretty useless to me except those that print the coupons. Again I don't understand why you want to pay CC for a VIP card when the prices they have are already cheaper than HK. So like I said before CC would just raise the prices to offer a discount when you already get that discount and don't have to pay for a VIP card.

You say it's hard to go with the attractive girls because the poor set up but you don't know what they charge for rooms nowadays or if you can take the girls to other hotels. For me if I was to get a hotel room in the Zona it depends on where the girl works and what she's comfortable with. So if I got a room at Rizo and find a girl at CC that can't go to tha hotel I'm stuck where as if I find the girl first I'm open to going to the easiest hotel for her. If CC had a VIP card what happens when they don't have any rooms left? Jalos is much smaller than Rizo or Cascadas so like Phordy said they would need to invest a bunch of money into upgrading the hotel which in a earlier post you even said the same thing so I'm not sure why now you don't think they need to do any upgrades.

So the VIP works good for you but the free drink is not a big deal since you can get a free drink coupon on the website for free. Free parking is ok but I'd imagine a very small amount of guys use that perk since they don't drive in. The room discount is only real a good deal if you go on Monday or Tuesday IMO. I'm not sure either what the current short term Jalos room rate is I think around $20, and I haven't stayed in Leyva for awhile also but I'd bet they price hasn't changed much from what you use to pay sine I know that people live full-time in some of the rooms.

Again I understand for you the VIP card is a good deal I just don't want to see other clubs to think they should do the same. For me a true VIP is someone that frequents the club and they give you things for free because you are a good customer not them charging you money to make you think your special. Places that charge you for something means that your paying for exclusivity like a Costco membership. It's not like as a HK VIP you get access to some part of the club that others aren't allowed or they don't have exclusive hours for VIP card members. That's my view on it but HK has done a great marketing job of making guys think paying $70 for something that isn't that special is a good deal.

[HK Monger]

Let's face it, short term rooms suck. Nowadays, I see this as the option for newbs, once-a-year guys, and old guys stuck in the 90's. Honestly, one of my concerns with CC is that girls choose to work at this club solely because the short term room is the only option, thus giving them more control and power to manipulate.

Having your own room definitely shifts the balance of power in your favor. It's almost like the difference between inviting her back to your place vs her place. At your place, you are in control–not the girl or the towel boy.

And negotiating some arrangement OTC is just to complicated and too much work on any given night. I would only do this after I have seen the girl a couple times anyway.

[HK Monger]

Another thing to consider are Mexican demographics. The birth rate had dropped through the floor, and the economy is far better than it was even 20 years ago. And lots more women are getting lots more education than in years past. What this means is that today there are far fewer girls overall. Therefore there are far fewer pretty ones (ones that a guy might pay for company). And since more women can earn a living doing "regular" work, far fewer are willing to work in a table dance club, as they call them. Recruiting dozens and dozens of beauties is not the slam dunk it used to be.

Doesn't CC recruit from other countries as well as Mexico, unlike HK? And I don't know about the economy, but the selection is the zona is way better than it used to be 10-15 years ago. The selection in Chicago isn't even that far removed from it's heyday before HK became the "it" club. It's just that HK is now such a mecca of talent, the other clubs pale in comparison.

But, seriously, you don't think they haven't already thought of this? Of course the first thing that comes to mind is that it exists primarily to launder money, not to compete with HK. Why spend money when you don't need to?

I don't know about money laundering, but a simple web page and a vip card would cost virtually nothing.

For CC to compete head to head with HK now would require a massive expansion and a massive investment.

Not really. They have some attractive girls. They just need to offer a good deal because the setup sucks. It's hard to go with the few attractive girls they have, though, when the club down the street has more of them AND offers a better deal.

The majority of guys here don't have the business sense to run a lemonade stand yet alone a club.

I agree with large majority of what you said, on top of that I don't understand how you guys are wanting CC to charge you money just to get a discount. The VIP card for the majority of people in HK is a waste. So why would you pay money for the same thing in CC. Just so they overcharge the regular room rates to make you think your getting a good deal.

If you want to go for TLN with a CC girl get a room next door at Levya. Many guys I knew in the past would do it.

The HK VIP card is a great deal if you go as frequently as I do. It pays for itself through the free drink alone. With the free parking and the hotel discount it's a must have if you are a regular. What does CC now charge for the short term room? And then you get the obligatory knock knock after 15-20 min. Not worth it. Can you get a room at Leyva and take a girl there straight from the club? I don't want TLN. I just want the luxury of taking a girl to my own room. How much does Leyva even charge nowadays? Last time I got a room at Leyva was like 8 years ago and it was something like 25-30 bucks.

What if you ask the girl to meet you at your room at Rizo after her shift? Are they allowed to go there, eeing that they are from the competitors club? That might actually make it workthwile

[Zenduka1]

You're right, CC doesn't have a website. It's as if they don't know how to market themselves. That's why HK is so successful: they promote themselves well and their website is designed to draw new mongers.

That, plus the fact the regular rooms at Hotel Jalos are lousy, says it all. About CC. They're missing a golden opportunity to provide a challenge to HK.

I agree. That club is in a rut. They never have a vision or HK is pulling the rug under them. I have a feeling the latter is the case. If you see Adelitas, they died away doing their best to compete with HK, the illegal way. As I said there is something that is cold, rough, dangerous about that club. Maybe they are good but that is the feeling I have about them.

[Sol12]

You guys ought to start your own club. There is some vacant storefront west of NH, and I think a vacancy or two in the alley.

But, seriously, you don't think they haven't already thought of this? Of course the first thing that comes to mind is that it exists primarily to launder money, not to compete with HK. Why spend money when you don't need to?

Another thing to consider are Mexican demographics. The birth rate had dropped through the floor, and the economy is far better than it was even 20 years ago. And lots more women are getting lots more education than in years past. What this means is that today there are far fewer girls overall. Therefore there are far fewer pretty ones (ones that a guy might pay for company). And since more women can earn a living doing "regular" work, far fewer are willing to work in a table dance club, as they call them. Recruiting dozens and dozens of beauties is not the slam dunk it used to be.

For CC to compete head to head with HK now would require a massive expansion and a massive investment. And if they did, could they fill the place with pretty girls? It would be difficult. Thailand has this problem in spades. It's very difficult to recruit girls, and the ones who will work can almost name their own price. Tijuana is not far behind..

The majority of guys here don't have the business sense to run a lemonade stand yet alone a club.

I agree with large majority of what you said, on top of that I don't understand how you guys are wanting CC to charge you money just to get a discount. The VIP card for the majority of people in HK is a waste. So why would you pay money for the same thing in CC. Just so they overcharge the regular room rates to make you think your getting a good deal.

If you want to go for TLN with a CC girl get a room next door at Levya. Many guys I knew in the past would do it.

[Phordphan]

That, plus the fact the regular rooms at Hotel Jalos are lousy, says it all. About CC. They're missing a golden opportunity to provide a challenge to HK.

You guys ought to start your own club. There is some vacant storefront west of NH, and I think a vacancy or two in the alley.

But, seriously, you don't think they haven't already thought of this? Of course the first thing that comes to mind is that it exists primarily to launder money, not to compete with HK. Why spend money when you don't need to?

Another thing to consider are Mexican demographics. The birth rate had dropped through the floor, and the economy is far better than it was even 20 years ago. And lots more women are getting lots more education than in years past. What this means is that today there are far fewer girls overall. Therefore there are far fewer pretty ones (ones that a guy might pay for company). And since more women can earn a living doing "regular" work, far fewer are willing to work in a table dance club, as they call them. Recruiting dozens and dozens of beauties is not the slam dunk it used to be.

For CC to compete head to head with HK now would require a massive expansion and a massive investment. And if they did, could they fill the place with pretty girls? It would be difficult. Thailand has this problem in spades. It's very difficult to recruit girls, and the ones who will work can almost name their own price. Tijuana is not far behind.

Perhaps CC, if it doesn't exist for money laundering, exists to service a niche market. I, for one, hate HK. If I have to go to a ZN club I much prefer CC.

[OPIllini]

I just checked, and, correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think Chicago Club has a functioning website.

They have like zero business sense. Maybe a couple of mongers could get together and buy their business, LOL. Put a little money into it and we could make it so much better. Maybe give HK a run for its moneybut that would likely take a major rehaul.

You're right, CC doesn't have a website. It's as if they don't know how to market themselves. That's why HK is so successful: they promote themselves well and their website is designed to draw new mongers.

That, plus the fact the regular rooms at Hotel Jalos are lousy, says it all. About CC. They're missing a golden opportunity to provide a challenge to HK.

[HK Monger]

I just checked, and, correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think Chicago Club has a functioning website.

They have like zero business sense. Maybe a couple of mongers could get together and buy their business, LOL. Put a little money into it and we could make it so much better. Maybe give HK a run for its money–but that would likely take a major rehaul.

[Zenduka1]

Chicago needs to have a vip card, or at least give some perks to regulars. If not, it's not doable for me. I don't do the short term rooms anymore. I always get a room for the night Monday or Tuesday using the hk vip card, which is a good deal.

I don't think I've been with a Chicago girl in over 10 years, and a big reason has been the room / hotel situation.

Do you hear me, Chicago Club people? I'm literally telling you how to attract more business.

Good point, this is a big issue also.

[HK Monger]

Chicago needs to have a vip card, or at least give some perks to regulars. If not, it's not doable for me. I don't do the short term rooms anymore. I always get a room for the night Monday or Tuesday using the hk vip card, which is a good deal.

I don't think I've been with a Chicago girl in over 10 years, and a big reason has been the room / hotel situation.

Do you hear me, Chicago Club people? I'm literally telling you how to attract more business.

[Zenduka1]

Yeah, I saw full-on sex between a male and two chicas on the main stage at Tropical the last time I was there in April. Was part of a soap show they were doing. Mentioned it in a brief trip report I did a few months ago. Was funny to watch but was surprised it was allowed. Had never seen a male-female sex act on stage before in all of my years going to Tijuana.

Girls having live sex with a dude, yeah I saw that one time and I walked out. Desperate, off-putting shit. Putting drills in the women, unhealthy huge dildos, stupidly fake lesbian foam shows, they have that in HK too. I usually walk away, Girls dancing in a foam together is one thing, inserting dildos in each other, or licking each other, now that is off-putting, exactly why I disliked Pattaya.

There’s nothing sexier than seeing a fully dressed, elegant woman dancing on a table, moving to the music. Nothing compares. Watching her, locking eyes, sharing a smile—then showing your appreciation by tipping her. Maybe I’m just getting old, but that’s always been my thing. One thing’s for sure: at no point in my life would I ever go out of my way to watch live sex on stage. And I’d bet money that 99.9% of women on that stage find that kind of thing downright tacky.

[Zenduka1]

That happens in every club in Latin America. Get use to it.

No, doesn't happen at every club. Doesn't happen in HK, not in Tropical, not in clubs I checked in Puerto Vallarta. For example, in HK they ask you, you say no, unless you are sitting at a booth in a busy night, they leave you alone. Not in Chicago, in Chicago they are like bedbugs they never leave, in fact one asked me I have to exit the club If I don't buy a drink. Can't brush off this annoying fact about that club.

[Hadez]

That part is easy to get over.

Once I got a chica the hard selling of a "better" booth for more money is little more annoying. I push through all the money hustle to get the girls I want tho.

One thing I really dislike is the mesero who waits by the entrance and follow you through out the club until you buy a drink. I think, it is that.

[Hadez]

Some of my favorite girls have come from Chicago. I have had a lot of fun with HK girls too. My current favorite loca is a HK girl.

My wingman just had a great experience with a Chicago girl. I think 2 or 3 of his top 6 are Chicago girls now.

I always give Chicago a shot. Just have not found the right girl in a while.

I know many people are down on Chicago Club, but I've got to give the club some props. In my recent trip I kissed more girls at Chicago that either Tropical or HK despite spending a fraction of the time at the club. Including both girls doing the hot tub show.

Lots of guys are impatient and do just a quick walk through or at most drink 1 beer fast. Grab a seat at the hot tub show if running and tip a few dollars to the girls in the tub and relax & observe a bit. Also, many Chicago girls start really late because many are required to work til 4/5 am.