Streetwalker Reports

[Captain Solo]

Have you heard street vendors talk about paying tax to cartels?

[FlapJacK]

LOL. I still have yet to see anything from a reputable source that the SG are being extorted. Plenty of news about businesses and such. If this was true it would be in the news.

Have to agree. Aside from a few hooker forums boards I Have yet had any SG's confirm this extortion is happening.

[Sol12]

There's a huge difference between banding together for the right to work to the municipal government, as when the Tijuana tried to force them indoors a few years ago, and making demands against narco gangs that regularly kill people for very little cause.

With regard to how the conversation came up: it was from one of the proverbial 'drumming up business' calls in one instance: that business was slow and that a lady was coming around collection 'cuota' (was her word in Spanish. She worked in the alley in the hotel one ober from Malquerida. The other chica brought it up when we were chatting right after I sodomized her; this was also in the alley and she mentioned the same thing.

I don't know of the 1st street chicas also get extorted like those in the alley, but I reiterate that to known you ought to get your info first-hand.

Please explain the "huge difference" of SG banding together when they don't want to move indoors or when the new Mayor was taking over and his head of security made remarks about getting rid of the SG completely and they protested and forced the Mayor not to hire him. Because they don't even have to expose themselves to the government but talk to the media and be anonymous. You don't think the girls that went against AB were afraid?

Also while your trying to explain that why those in a little flea market aren't afraid and spoke up and the authorities caught those making threats.

You and I must have a different idea on what the word "conversation" means because what you wrote was not a conversation and lacked any details or you asking any type of follow up question.

I don't know how many times I have to say I don't care about this except to help you that see these girls to maybe inquire more on what is happening and not just come here and say they are being taxed just because they told you and your special and they wouldn't lie to me. In my many years of going to Tijuana I have only talked to a SG once and that was just to ask about her sister. So you may think this is a big deal to me but it's not and it's definitely not going to get me to talk to any SG about it.

Now just because I have nothing to do with them and don't really care if they are getting taxed I don't like seeing people getting taken advantage of nor do I like to contribute to that. So for some guys reading about this tax they might not want to contribute to the Cartels or whoever is extorting these girls by not seeing them at all. Me personally would understand this logic because if I just had sex with a girl and she told me part of that money pays these people I'd probably stop seeing them. That's just me but I'm sure some other guys that read these stories would agree. No matter what side your on if it's true it's sad that they are being taken advantage of and not fighting back. And if it's costing them business for guys not wanting to contribute to the tax. Maybe some will leave the business or go somewhere else.

A short time back a girl that worked on the street for sometime mentioned that less girls were coming to Tijuana because the increase of guys walking around with the glasses with cameras and videos of them showing up on the internet. Now I have no clue how true that is but in this case she didn't mention anything about a tax. Now for her I can understand not going on a free podcast with video and talk about being taxed. She has no anonymity but like I said in the beginning that going to the news papers they would be anonymous.

[Sol12]

Ohh Sol sometimes you make me chuckle. Not laughing at you by all means. But I do appreciate that like a hard hitting investigative journalist you leave no stone unturned in your desire to expose the truth.

But unfortunately since I'm pretty sure none of the posters on here are actually SG's all we can do is provide heresay. So I will add my 2 cents.

So I do have an amigo who is very close with a couple different SG's who regularly takes them out to lunch. So it was a while ago when this first started of course this quickly became the topic of conversation.

I don't remember the exact details as far as the amount they were being told to pay. There is a sg I consider a friend who stands in a stretch that is off the beaten path. So out of curiosity I had to ask if she has moved over there to avoid this cartel tax. And she stated no that she is having to also pay. While I can't remember the exact amount it did coincide with the exact amount the others had mentioned to my amigo. The only other thing I can add is it is 2 women who are going around making the collections.

Well I'm happy to make you chuckle and I understand what you mean. I like many others I was really awakened from the lies they told us during COVID and it was amazing to me when I stepped back to see what sheep most people are and don't want to question things and repeat what they read or are told like parrots.

Baxter thanks for trying to bring more information on this topic. So you can't remember the amount but your friends girl amount and the amount your girl told you seem to be about the same. So the obvious question I have is was that number similar to the 5 k peso number being thrown around here. I know nothing of the SG world except what I've read on those boards over the years and in the past lots of the times I would completely avoid reading those sections because I didn't participate. One guy I would spend much time with was a SG guy and would try to talk to me about things but I pretty much avoided getting into those conversations.

Thanks again for your information and maybe if you or your friend talks to these girls more ask why they haven't reported anything to the media because they are afraid and don't know who will help them. I understand the girls not trusting the police in that area but other businesses have been able to get help by exposing the people threatening them.

The story you told about the collection being done by two women makes me remember a report I read in the news of two women attacking a SG in one of the hotels that the girls use. When I read the story I thought it might be just some padrote going after a girl that wasn't paying them. So now it makes me wonder if maybe it was more of her not paying the tax. This was about 2 years ago and CS first talked about this tax last May.

So to me it would make more sense if the SG always had to pay some sort of tax but with the recent shut down of the border they just raised the amount everyone has to pay.

If you want I'll search for that article and post here. Thanks again for a logical and honest response to what I thought seemed like a normal post on questions I had in this matter.

[RichardSteele]

Well I thought I was asking around by posting about my hesitation to believe what these girls are telling you guys but none of you go into any detail about how this subject came up and was discussed. You just say that you were told they pay this fee. If it was up to me and this tax was true I wish it was more to get rid of SG completely because they are a disgrace to the city.

Like I have constantly said I have no care about this issue other than trying to get more details on this matter because if all of you went into detail about this and what you were told besides the girls get taxed it's hard to find holes in the stories the girls are telling you guys to verify if what they are saying is true. Instead you guys get so defensive about a person who questions what you're being told.

Yeah you're right people never lie when it comes to money, especially when it comes to selling sex.

Just to clear something up I see in your other posts that girls further away from the alley charge less. So do.

There's a huge difference between banding together for the right to work to the municipal government, as when the Tijuana tried to force them indoors a few years ago, and making demands against narco gangs that regularly kill people for very little cause.

With regard to how the conversation came up: it was from one of the proverbial 'drumming up business' calls in one instance: that business was slow and that a lady was coming around collection 'cuota' (was her word in Spanish. She worked in the alley in the hotel one ober from Malquerida. The other chica brought it up when we were chatting right after I sodomized her; this was also in the alley and she mentioned the same thing.

I don't know of the 1st street chicas also get extorted like those in the alley, but I reiterate that to known you ought to get your info first-hand.

[Baxter Slade]

Well I thought I was asking around by posting about my hesitation to believe what these girls are telling you guys but none of you go into any detail about how this subject came up and was discussed. You just say that you were told they pay this fee. If it was up to me and this tax was true I wish it was more to get rid of SG completely because they are a disgrace to the city.

Like I have constantly said I have no care about this issue other than trying to get more details on this matter because if all of you went into detail about this and what you were told besides the girls get taxed it's hard to find holes in the stories the girls are telling you guys to verify if what they are saying is true. Instead you guys get so defensive about a person who questions what you're being told.

Yeah you're right people never lie when it comes to money, especially when it comes to selling sex.

Just to clear something up I see in your other posts that girls further away from the alley charge less. So do you know if all SG are charged this fee or just those in the alley? Because others just say SG which was one reason I was so curious how they charge all the girls such a high price because when I see SG as I walk by the vast majority are very ugly and would find it hard to believe they make that much money..

Ohh Sol sometimes you make me chuckle. Not laughing at you by all means. But I do appreciate that like a hard hitting investigative journalist you leave no stone unturned in your desire to expose the truth.

But unfortunately since I'm pretty sure none of the posters on here are actually SG's all we can do is provide heresay. So I will add my 2 cents.

So I do have an amigo who is very close with a couple different SG's who regularly takes them out to lunch. So it was a while ago when this first started of course this quickly became the topic of conversation.

I don't remember the exact details as far as the amount they were being told to pay. There is a sg I consider a friend who stands in a stretch that is off the beaten path. So out of curiosity I had to ask if she has moved over there to avoid this cartel tax. And she stated no that she is having to also pay. While I can't remember the exact amount it did coincide with the exact amount the others had mentioned to my amigo. The only other thing I can add is it is 2 women who are going around making the collections.

[Sol12]

What do these chicas have to gain by kying a out this? Wheedling a little bit more money from their gringo sugars? People who I've known for years tell me they're getting charged cobro and many other corroborate this, you can believe what you choose to. I've talked on this subject with paraditas as well as other acquaintances, in Spanish, and I have no reason to suspect they're trying to lie to me for dome unknown reason. The girls are vulnerable and have a lot riding on their ability to hook in the alley so they are reticent on the subject. Life is cheap in Tijuana and no one will help.

Well I thought I was asking around by posting about my hesitation to believe what these girls are telling you guys but none of you go into any detail about how this subject came up and was discussed. You just say that you were told they pay this fee. If it was up to me and this tax was true I wish it was more to get rid of SG completely because they are a disgrace to the city.

Like I have constantly said I have no care about this issue other than trying to get more details on this matter because if all of you went into detail about this and what you were told besides the girls get taxed it's hard to find holes in the stories the girls are telling you guys to verify if what they are saying is true. Instead you guys get so defensive about a person who questions what you're being told.

Yeah you're right people never lie when it comes to money, especially when it comes to selling sex.

Just to clear something up I see in your other posts that girls further away from the alley charge less. So do you know if all SG are charged this fee or just those in the alley? Because others just say SG which was one reason I was so curious how they charge all the girls such a high price because when I see SG as I walk by the vast majority are very ugly and would find it hard to believe they make that much money.

Last question is you mention the SG being vulnerable and no one looking out for them yet in the past they have banned together to get the attention of city officials so why would this be any different. They could easily go to the media and explain what is happening. Like I said in my other post the media constantly posts stories of businesses being taxed. The Cartels have placed banners in areas telling the businesses what to do and a few months ago they had a market where the Cartels handed out little flyers telling the merchants what to pay. The media has gotten the government to try and get more people to come out and fight against those who tax and its lead to more and more individuals being arrested. So why would the SG be any different and the other subject that I know many of you don't want to talk about or believe is the majority of the girls having a padrote.

[RichardSteele]

Ok so for the record I read the Tijuana news everyday so I don't get from "gringo news". That's why I made the comment that the cobre piso has been highly talked about in the media in regards to businesses and small markets. So as I mentioned before when this issue was brought up the SG are very quick to stand up and fight for their business when the local government. So common logic would concur that they wouldn't be silent if being extorted for so much money.

Also just to be clear I have no care in this matter I just think you guys are being lied to. So if you talk to these girls would you please tell me how this comes up in conversation and also the process on how the money is collected. Because I believe you guys just believe anything your told and don't really ask more questions in the matter and don't do any real investigation.

Also please explain why you think this is an issue no one wants to touch if it's talked about almost everyday in regards to normal businesses.

What do these chicas have to gain by kying a out this? Wheedling a little bit more money from their gringo sugars? People who I've known for years tell me they're getting charged cobro and many other corroborate this, you can believe what you choose to. I've talked on this subject with paraditas as well as other acquaintances, in Spanish, and I have no reason to suspect they're trying to lie to me for dome unknown reason. The girls are vulnerable and have a lot riding on their ability to hook in the alley so they are reticent on the subject. Life is cheap in Tijuana and no one will help.

[Sol12]

Peter Pan I must say when it comes to telling stories and how your imagination works you deserve a gold medal.

I've read all your stories including your Peter Pan and One Wing Low ones and I must be getting old because I don't remember you seeing 2 waiters getting shot and dragged out on the street. Would you mind sharing when this was?

I do appreciate you being honest that you have no idea how the girls pay but in the original report you said they were reluctant to talk about it because of retaliation and I asked that you think you were safe for them to talk to but they can't go to the media? So obviously if other guys are talking about girls telling them they are being taxed your theory of them being afraid to talk about it isn't true.

You guys are welcome to believe what you want but my guess is that it's just a reason they have come up with to justify raising prices. The Cartels are never shy in letting who they are getting money from so the fact that the SG don't name who it is exactly is another reason I'm skeptical about this story.

Not sure why you always think Sinaloa runs the ZN so you might want to find different sources for your information.

For those thinking that the ZN has 20 shootings a month that don't get reported is a great example of this poster talking about things he know nothing about and trying to make that area seem more dangerous than it actually is.

Last point is back when you made the original post about this SG tax you said that the drug dealers were being loud and more open. Yet now you say the last two years it has been low key. So what story is true because as usual you say two completely opposite things.

[Captain Solo]

Their incomes vary over a wide range depending on how attractive or ugly they are.

I have seen the most popular girls stand around most of the time, not picked up for bed. So the popular girls likely snag 1 session every 2 hour. If they stay 10 hours a night, that's 5 sessions averaging 500 pesos, or 2,500 pesos a night. For 20 work nights a month, they would bag 50 K pesos or about $2,500. That's optimistic. Average girls likely make half as much, or $1,250 a month. An average girl told me she quit La Zona due to slow business, went home in Veracruz to work long hours at a restaurant for $15 a day, or $300 a month, and even that was more than she could make in La Zona at that time.

I heard from 2 separate street girls that cartels demand 5,000 pesos tax a month or they would mess up their faces. That's tax rate 10% for popular girls, 20% for average. Street girls are afraid of retaliation, reluctant to talk about this subject. Have not heard which cartels, how they collect this money, and if the girls have been paying.

I did see the old man at the mariscos stand next to the HK taco stand on Nino Heroes quickly hand 400 pesos to a teen age boy who rode by on his bike. He told me if he did not pay, his stand would be vandalized, would cost a lot more to fix, and lose a lot of business. His son was selling drugs somewhere without paying off cartels. One night while sitting in a taxi, he got shot 5, 6 times, but survived. He ended his drug career and helped his dad at the stand. So everybody has to pay income tax to the cartels or they will get messed up. Street girls with their quick, easy money must be cartels' juicy targets. HK girls may be exempted under coverage by the club owner.

Twice I was on Ave. Constitucion in the afternoon when 2 separate meseros got shot and died in the bar. They dragged them all bloodied out to the sidewalk, leaned them against the wall, waited for policia who quickly showed up, roped off that corner for investigation. The third time a drug dealer was shot in his leg, lying, bleeding right in front of bar Malquerida. I was only in Tijuana once every 15 days. Probability is likely 20 shootings a month in that area that nobody bothers to report. These people were punished for not paying cartels' tax.

Before Covid, a dealer would show up in the alley and a dozen men and women would quickly line up to exchange 50-peso notes for bags of meth. It was a circus. After Covid 2 guys hid their stash inside Chavelas, ran in and out to do deals. They were shot dead as they ran inside Chavelas for cover. It was rumored that CJNG was trying to kick Sinaloa out of that territory.

In the last 2 years, dealers in the alley have been low key, drugs sales not so obvious.

[Sol12]

I've been going down for years and know several chicas, active and retired, who concur that they are being charged cobro de piso. How would that story make it to gringo media? *Maybe* local Tijuana media, but that's a hot potato no one wants to touch down there.

Ok so for the record I read the Tijuana news everyday so I don't get from "gringo news". That's why I made the comment that the cobre piso has been highly talked about in the media in regards to businesses and small markets. So as I mentioned before when this issue was brought up the SG are very quick to stand up and fight for their business when the local government. So common logic would concur that they wouldn't be silent if being extorted for so much money.

Also just to be clear I have no care in this matter I just think you guys are being lied to. So if you talk to these girls would you please tell me how this comes up in conversation and also the process on how the money is collected. Because I believe you guys just believe anything your told and don't really ask more questions in the matter and don't do any real investigation.

Also please explain why you think this is an issue no one wants to touch if it's talked about almost everyday in regards to normal businesses.

[RichardSteele]

LOL. I still have yet to see anything from a reputable source that the SG are being extorted. Plenty of news about businesses and such. If this was true it would be in the news.

I've been going down for years and know several chicas, active and retired, who concur that they are being charged cobro de piso. How would that story make it to gringo media? *Maybe* local Tijuana media, but that's a hot potato no one wants to touch down there.

[Sol12]

Cartels muscle them for 5000 pesos a month.

LOL. I still have yet to see anything from a reputable source that the SG are being extorted. Plenty of news about businesses and such. If this was true it would be in the news.

[FlapJacK]

Cartels muscle them for 5000 pesos a month. While we are on the topic,
how much do you think these street girls make? One told me she makes $10 k a month!

Yeah maybe 10 k peso a month. No SG is making $10 k in dollars a month.

They are lucky if they break $1000, to $1500.00 a month.

[ToastMonger269]

Cartels muscle them for 5000 pesos a month. While we are on the topic, how much do you think these street girls make? One told me she makes $10 k a month!

Street girls are nice, humble, honest and fair about what they do, no charades, no games, no manipulations, no bad attitudes, more real Mexicans. Better yet they don't have the horrible stinky pussies that many, if not most, HK ghetto girls have years after years.

Before 2008, dozens of hot, lively girls worked Tijuana streets. I knew and had good sessions with many nice, sweet, pretty street girls. Quite a few went to work in Hong Kong but returned to the streets for various reasons. Some work in alternate street scenes in CDMX, Puebla, Veracruz, Acapulco.

But foot traffic in La Zona reduced drastically after 2008, street business declined, caused a big decline in number and quality of street girls. Enjoy the scene as much as you can. Hope street scene returns to its good year.