General Info

[11Bravo]

Just a polite suggestion: you might find FR's such as this better placed on the dubai thread, as this is very specific to dubai with little "general info". Just a suggestion. But thanks for posting. It does provide learning by example.

Who would have thought of it, an Arab country with de facto legalized prostitution?

That is a BIG misconception. Yes, it is here, yes the govt. knows it. Being discreet is the key!!! Just ask the Italian who was fined $1000USD (yes dollars) for kissing a girl in a cab.

As soon as I entered the York I was grabbed by a gang of African chicks working there, apparently they got a kick out of me being black, young and dressed with my hip hop persona.

Actually, they are very perceptive about spotting a neophyte from across the room.

Me and a buddy then caught a taxi over to the Cyclone club and it was the same scene Chinese, eastern Europeans and Africans everywhere.

That is an interesting observation. A shift in demographics as, past history, very few africans in cyclone. But given they are more prevalent everywhere these days, why should cyclone be an exception.

So I had to think fast I grabbed as many as I could trying to negociate a price and place but nothing could pan out. ... Soon the lady pool dried up

Lot of girls bit skeptical about last minute deals made in the parking lot (they're thinking why not in the club). So unless you're driving one of those luxary cars... best to mark your target, and seal the deal inside the club. If the police are going to do a documentation check, it will be at closing, outside, so a lot of ladies like to leave quickly. Closing times are 3am.

We settled on a price which she started 200 US and I declined and told her 100 then she said ok 150 then asked if I wanted her friend also. ... We arrived at her apartment ... After the session was over we talked

YIKES. Now, I'm the 1st to state that whatever price you pay is a good price if her experience is worth it TO YOU. But 150USD (I'm assuming we're talking dollars, not dirhams), even $100USD for ST, her place, is a bit over the top. A bit of reading here BEFORE venturing out can keep money in your wallet.

with Mr.George dubya playing star wars in the middle east U.A.E. is quite safe for an Arab country to an westerner. I had no problems catching taxis all over the place sometime alone

Has nothing to do with american presence in the region. Violence/crime bad for BUSINESS, and dubai IS business. Dubai safe long before american forces reached these shores.

I'd, again politely, just a suggestion, read this general thread (not all that many pages) to get some tips in general and some prices. Then read the last x pages (x up to you) of the dubai thread to get some specific, current examples. And I will admit there is some self-interest here: at your prices, she won't even look at me.

[11Bravo]

I figures since Dubai has a lot of expats they actually care about Christmas.

Yes, we care about Christmas. The businessmen and the businesswomen here care about making money.

Business will tend to be down; a lot of men are with their families - don't think the "just going out for some more eggnog" would work here. Some women will take the opportunity to go back home. But I've never had a problem with finding someone to sit by the fireside (well, make that the broiling patio).

[Bono]

[QUOTE=11Bravo]Nothing like planning in advance, but, you must be joking, right? I know YOU know this is an islamic country (Christmas not being that high up on govt recognized holidays - this coming from someone who's WORKED the last several).

Thanks for your input.No I am not joking.I figured since Dubai has a lot of expats they actually care about Christmas.Good to know ,it will be business as usual.Thanks for your input

[11Bravo]

Whats teh action like on Christmas night

Nothing like planning in advance, but, you must be joking, right? I know YOU know this is an islamic country (Christmas not being that high up on govt recognized holidays - this coming from someone who's WORKED the last several).

Now, fancy restaurants will have special meals laid on, but that's mostly in the afternoon (Gary, remember us running around, trying to find where we could get some roast turkey Christmas NIGHT?)

The girls only have 1 holiday, and that's a couple days each month. Otherwise, they are out.

Cyclone MIGHT try to pull "a special" so they can charge a higher entrance fee. Doubt York will.

The night you DO have to look out for is New Year's Eve (western calendar). Then, everything IS JACKED UP; best to have a regular you can book at normal rates, and stay in.

[Warbucks]

I stayed in Dubai for two days on business and found it simply to be amazing (minus the weather). Who would have thought of it, an Arab country with de facto legalized prostitution? Dubai has a lot of three things; expensive hotels, malls and *****s. The malls are full of beautiful women from all over the world. Europeans, Asians and especially Filipinos this place looks like a rich version of the Philippines the Filipinos are so bountiful there. They are the largest minority in the place.

Though the malls are crawling with model type material, you may be hard pressed to pick up one there. The women in this country know who has the money (the Arabs). Thirty percent of the country is wealthy. The women are no different from other women around world, they love money. The country is really beautiful and even on my 100,000 dollars a year salary I still felt very poor compared with these guys.

Now for the good stuff. If you enjoy fucking exotic women (like I do) with no strings attached there are two places I recommend going The York international hotel and the Cyclone. As soon as I entered the York I was grabbed by a gang of African chicks working there, apparently they got a kick out of me being black, young and dressed with my hip hop persona. Some Ethiopian, Ugandan, and Somalian, etc . . . Don’t let those save the children’s info commercials fool you. Some of these women are beautiful and stacked (stacked means big tits and ass).

I had no interest in black women what-so-ever I was mainly after the Asians and eastern European working the place. After checking out these African women( whom I had never saw before except on TV) I was I was thirsty to try one on for size( she didn’t fit, I will get into that). Me and a buddy then caught a taxi over to the Cyclone club and it was the same scene Chinese, eastern Europeans and Africans everywhere.

Things was looking good when all the Arabs started showing up outside the club as it was closing for what, (where I am from we call “parking lot pimping”). These guys were pulling up in nothing but foreign-made luxury cars grabbing all the women as they exited the club. So I had to think fast I grabbed as many as I could trying to negociate a price and place but nothing could pan out. Especially since the US government was paying for my room and we were not allowed bring in foreign guest.

Soon the lady pool dried up and me and my buddy a caught taxi back to our hotel saddened. When we arrived to our surprised three Africans and one European was waiting outside. I had recently had all the eastern European (Russians) I could handle in Uzbekistan so I opted for one of the Africans.

Her name was Leani she was from Kenya and she was beautiful big tits and ass.. A little baby fat around the waist though. We settled on a price which she started 200 US and I declined and told her 100 then she said ok 150 then asked if I wanted her friend also. I declined her friend offer since I was new to the scene here and I don’t trust the two girl thing (that’s how you end up robbed and dead).

We grabbed a taxi ( with Mr.George dubya playing star wars in the middle east U.A.E. is quite safe for an Arab country to an westerner. I had no problems catching taxis all over the place sometime alone).

We arrived at her apartment which she shared with two other girls a eastern European and another African. She was very nice and polite did not drink or smoke. She showered offered me the opportunity to the same. She then put on some slow music( my fellow Chicagoan R. Kelly), I put on the ultra thin rain coat( which felt really nice I might add) and we got to it.

Don’t want to brag but I am above average below the belt, she complained the whole way but she did her best. After the session was over we talked about where she was from and what I was doing in Dubai and her choice of work. Then she gave me her number and email. I took it them but later ripped them up. I stick to the plan no numbers no email. Two reasons I don’t want to bump the same bunny twice also there is a small chance to catch feelings and that is the biggest error of all.

[Bono]

Hi ,I am heading away on vacation and I have a stop over in Dubai on Christmas day.Whats teh action like on Christmas night as I will be there and I need something to do.Furthermore,are the shops and restaurants open that night.I dont care much about the shops but how about the women.Are they out on full force at the York or Cyclone on that night. I have been to Dubai a couple of times,but never during Christsmas.ANy info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance

[Hi115]

I have read somewhere in this Forum, there is brit female charging 700 aed.

I have her number, too rich for me either, its[Telephone Number deleted by Admin].

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[11Bravo]

Price check on Chinese flowers, Aisle 3
Just some personal, rambling observations of Cyclone scene

First, let me say I have a sentimental soft spot for Cyclone. 1st time in dxb, it was the place I went (very easy, was the ONLY place I'd heard of). Was a regular there, at least once a week, sometimes twice a week for 6 months. Then, reading this and other forum, found other places to go. But still, nothing like that virgin first time to hold fond memories...

Anyway, every now and again, I will pay a return visit (weekdays, NOT on weekends). Last night, Saturday, was one such. It's 70 dhs entrance, no drinks included. Was there from 10 to 12.

Walking in at 10, expected mix. No africans (don't recall seeing any at Cyclone, regardless of hour), few CIS, mainly Chinese there to catch the early ST. Few punters, ladies way outnumbering them. Did not see my fave a-list; thought she might be on her summer break. She did arrive 15 minutes later. When I chastized her for being late to the office, she excused herself by saying she had a friend in from england who she was looking after (yes, I'm SURE of that; lucky guy!) I have a standing joke with her: she's my market indicator; I claim she's always pulled for her 1st ST by 11:30. Last night, SLOW; even then she made the deadline with 20 minutes to spare.

The demarcation line for the chinese still seems to be in force, although I did see a few encroachments into the dmz between the small center bar and the large bar.

Pleasant surprise: another fave a-list who I hadn't seen in awhile. Almost didn't recognize her; she seemed to have grown 4 inches (in height; what were YOU thinking). But I know the secret; she cuts her pants long to hide the PLATFORMS. I tell her it's like an elevator (ground floor, please). She briefly stopped to say hi, explaining she was leaving tomorrow for china. Thus, she had the targeting radar on max; no time for chit-chat. Within the hour, gone.

Another nice surprise: another girl I hadn't seen for awhile was back. Remember her from 2 years ago; then, didn't do any talking; had a mentor do all her marketing. Wasn't that she couldn't speak english; she just didn't like the marketing aspect. Very happy to get the out-call rather than have to go to the bar. Now, she was the mentor; newbie in tow.

Disappointing: Keep hoping to see FanFan, the girl who gave the best massage (left during visa exodus). I do miss her. She was style, class, AND service. Gone for good, me thinks.

Bad news: Did not see good Lucy which was a real disappointment as, THIS time, I had remembered to bring her photos to give her. Should have known; my luck, photos and presence mutually exclusive.

Worse news: Bad Lucy was around, although, last night, she had left the gel pads at home, so the rack was only average (small compared to the normal cyclone ladies). MY view of her looks: chinese, with a slight touch of Indian (although that might be due to the TINY nose jewel she SOMETIMES wears). Anyway, MY experience with her: paid before, then LT turned to ST (which she does brag about to her friends). So, strongly suggest avoiding.

Plenty of a-lists around, the usual a+'s. Again, as usual these days, unlike years past, the next step down's were missing. One who was there did approach me. 2 weeks in-country, LIMITED english, no mentor in sight. She did not even understand my "sorry, tonight, only drink". She bravely continued on; I could actually hear the english lessons: "You are handsome man; I am lovely girl". Felt sorry for her; eventually, she did pop THE question: "You want lady tonight?". She moved off when I again declined, this time with a direct "No thank you."

Usual mix of familiar/new faces. As usual THESE days, the -stanis were conspicuous in their absence. Knew that night's market was bad when a Ukranian initiated a conversation. Sorry, did not ask price; even if it had been a 100 dhs, would not have said yes. I just did not find her attractive (adjective squat comes to mind). Some others around ok, but I did not see any stunning CIS. Then again, not really my thing. Approaching midnight, many more CIS present, more chinese, more punters.

One rail thin chinese, a familiar face to me, even if I don't register on her radar. Very popular (would not make my a-list, but obviously does a lot of other punter's), always wearing a very stylish dress (think upper-class nightclub). I did surprise her by stopping and speaking to her (think invisible man suddenly appears). Having seen her leave with a customer at 10:20, back at 11:30 alone, I complemented her on her professional service: "Done in 1 hour, very nice".

Did a perfunctory price survey. Difficult to REALLY say as I don't start serious negotiations unless I am really interested. Why haggle to get the lowest price, only to walk away? My sampling (all chinese) :

3 1000's:

• Not an a-list. Girl did not know me, I did not know her. Her response to "How much?" was 500. When I asked "LT?", she replied, "500, 2 hours". I clarified to "all night"; answer, "1000". Wishful thinking / tourist price.
  
• A (minus) -list girl I'd pulled. Asked her. Rock solid 1000. However, year ago, we had had a harsh disagreement when she turned LT into ST and I paid her MY ST rate; advantage of Pay After. Her buzz-off price.
  
• Another A (minus) -list girl, turns out I did know her. I hadn't recognized her until she gave me her name; she was correct; I had pulled her before. She complained I had said I'd call her again, but hadn't. Her price was "1000, but, for you, special discount, 700". I really couldn't remember the details, but did remember there was SOME reason I had not called again. Legit price.

2 500's:

• A (minus) -list girl I knew, but not pulled. Asked price; she gave me the non-commital answer "If I no like customer, high; if like, good price; I know you, like you; give you good price." When asked specifics, answer was "500". When I asked for ST/LT clarification, she just said "Up to you". I'd be a bit skeptical on the true duration; some a-list's definition of LT is "until you fall asleep". Exercise with caution.
  
• 1 "you know the price", nothing further from an a-list girl I knew, but not pulled. She knew I was only data sampling. no data.
  
• Another used-to-be-a-list, now slight below; pulled her in better days. Her response was "500". For the ST/LT clarification: "If not sleep with you, 300", so 500 was her LT rate. legit price.

700 dhs

• One other price point, from a weekend a month back: Had spotted an a-list Cyclone girl at York. Figuring I had a chance at my "Cyclone old time" rate of 500, asked her LT rate; "700". When I countered with "500, same before", she just smiled and walked away. 700 firm.

MY WAG:

• 1000 (and up) is valid LT price for a+ (pluses).
  
• 1000 LT is tourist price for a-list.
  
• 700 LT is resident a-list price.
  
• 500 LT is for b-listers (though they are not as prevalent anymore)
  
• 500 ST is valid ST price for a+ (pluses).
  
• 500 ST is tourist price for a-list.
  
• 400 ST would be my guess for resident a-list prices.
  
• 300 ST for b-listers.

These were weeknight prices on a SLOW night. Would imagine a 100, 200 weekend surcharge might apply. YMMV, widely.


Almost worth the price of admittance: girl I know walks up, throws me the barb, "What are you doing here? Cyclone girls EXPENSIVE, not like York girls." Almost spit the drink out of my mouth, laughing so hard.


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MY view:
It's like baseball.

Cyclone is the major leagues. You get the best players, but also, the pro attitude. Because it's the pros who work at Cyclone. And just like the majors, you have the high ticket prices. I'm not saying you can't find a GF attitude there, but the pros are geared to making money, big money. If you've got it to spend, fine. But they do seem to come with an attitude.

York, Imperial, even Rockafellas, are the minor leagues. A few girls will eventually get called up to the majors (when they find their true market value), but the vast majority of the minor leaguers are just making a living, ok with a decent paycheck. If you love the game, then the minors are the best value for money. You don't have the exorbitant ticket prices. There is a feeling of having fun, if you know what I mean; with a decent paycheck, she's not looking at the clock, thinking how quick she can make it back to the bar. I'm not saying it's amateurish, but... much more likely to find a GFE there (IMHO).

I go to York, Imperial. You can flirt, bs, the girl will spend some time with you, hoping to convince you to make a deal. My experience last night at Cyclone: it was the usual litany * (where you come from, how long you stay dubai, where you stay, what's your name), then, THE question: you want lady. If the answer was NOT "Yes", QUICKLY given, then she'd move on. Now, this did have something to do with me being known/not known:

• known - a number know my price ceiling, know they are outside it, so don't bother. Others know IF I want them, I'll say something; otherwise, they're looking for more likely targets
• not known - as I no longer frequent Cyclone, a number will not know if I am a player or a lookie-lou. No sense wasting time with a lookie-lou.

*translation

• where you come from - as paychecks are based on nationality, used to gauge size of your wallet
• how long you stay dubai - can I quote you the tourist price, or do I have to use the resident one
• where you stay - also used to gauge size of wallet, potential problems/overhead of going with you, and to figure in charges for travel time
• what's your name - well, have to call you something, Habeebee

Prime example: a home-cooked meal is a very nice addition. Asking a minor leaguer to come over a bit early to make us dinner, vast majority responds "as long as you like fill-in-her nationality's cooking...". With a major leaguer, with some notible exceptions, will get you a "WTF" look... After all, Roberto Alomar is NOT showing up early game day, just to socialize with his fans (isn't he the one who spit in the umpire's face?)

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Which brings me to my final thoughts (finally).

Which bar is the best? Any one of the main ones you happen to be in. For me, in any of the main bars, I've been able to find someone that I'm eager to get home with. At least the anticipation is wonderful whether the reality lives up to the expectation or not.

If you're a resident, and don't go out that often per week, check out the various bars; 1 night, 1 bar, as there is an ebb and flow of ladies at each. Check it out on a weekday, on a weekend. Then, settle in at 1 basic bar. Doesn't say you can't visit others, but have a "home". Yes, the doorman will know you. The waitress, given a nod, will bring you your drink of choice, no words needing to be spoken. Big deal (NOT).

I don't go to the bars to drink; I can drink cheaper at home. I don't go to socialize; screaming into the next person's ear is not my idea of a conversation. I go to the bars to pull a lady. What is a big deal, the ladies will know you. You've pulled her, you've pulled her friend; if nothing else, she's seen you walk out of the bar, accompanied. Therefore, it does make (financial) sense to spend some time with you, marketing. She knows you as a player, not a lookie-lou. It does make a difference. Say "Cheers".

[Sporadic]

Small update on this wonderful resource.

I keeping with Dubai´s business friendly attitude, although the official customs limit on tonsil polish is two bottles of spirits, two of wine (or x cans of beer) the reality is four bottles.

They could care less if it is wine, kool-aid, grain alcohol or whatever. So it could be two cases of beer (they think 12 cans is a bottle) four bottles of whiskey or whatever else you want.

By the way, this "limit" does NOT go through the scanners. So feel free to pack a bottle or two in your suitcase if you are seriously thirsty, or need a couple nice gifts for residents.

No walk of shame here gents, this is bulletproof. Never a question or a raised eyebrow in six years.

Cheers,

Sporadic

[Worf1972]

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here try it :

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[Member #1263]

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[11Bravo]

pay half up front. Then if it turns out to be LT, then pay the balance in the morning. Or if it turns out to be ST, pay the balance when finish.

ANYTHING that works to reduce risk of a provider doing a runner. MY experience, does not happen often, but the probability IS non-zero. Sounds good to me; then, if she's not willing to accept, you have to ask yourself why. Just another reason to pull early. That way, if things are not going as planned, possible to both return to the bar to look for other partners.

[Worf1972]

Suggestion friends have told me, it's not possible to pay afterwards. What I recommend ( in reference to Bravo's ST then maybe LT ) pay half up front. Then if it turns out to be LT, then pay the balance in the morning. Or if it turns out to be ST, pay the balance when finish.

WHat do you say to that KIng?

[11Bravo]

Pre-Flight Check List for Newbies:

Pre-pre:

• On arrival at the airport, stop at the Arrival Duty Free, and pick up some alcohol. Believe you can bring in 4 items (Dubai): MY choice would be: 2 12-packs of beer, a bottle of vodka, and a bottle of whatever you drink. Convient for entertaining back at your place, and recovery the next day.
  
• On arrival at the hotel, clear out the mini-bar of their overpriced items; in with yours. If time, pop over to the local market for some soft drinks and a bottle/box of juice. If you don't know where the nearest store is, ask a clerk at the front desk. If you're staying out at the beach hotels, you're kind of at their mercy. But in town, no problem; any number of hole-in-the-wall grocery stores.

Pre:

• Make sure you have an adequate supply of condoms. Myself, I buy the cheap, 12 for 6 dhs kind, for the dreaded cbj (if necessary); for the actual pushin' and shovin', I prefer a quality brand. These are available at Spinneys, Shop-n-Go, etc. These days, due to LE stops, a number of girls will not carry.
  
• Make sure you have adequate change/bills. Expecting her to make change.... she's not a bank. More likely, just guarantees her a large tip. I'll make sure I have a 500 dhs note, and at least 4 100 notes. That way, I'm covered for any price mark (at least the ones I'm likely to partake of), either short or long time. Nice if you also have some 10's for taxi fare. Front desk, or your trip to the grocery store, should set you up.
  
• Turn up the room thermostat, if possible. I've found that comfortable for me is a dive in the bed, under the covers for most of the ladies.

Now:

• NEVER pay in the bar, and NEVER EVER pay to a 3rd person (her madam) in the bar. If her boss does not trust her, why should you?!?
  
• I prefer pay after, but not always possible. If asked for money up front (back at your place, or hers), then you have a decision to make. I always like to get this clear before leaving the bar, just so there are no discussions later.
  
• One option (that I MUST use more often), is set a price for ST, plus an understanding that LT might be an option if service is good. Certainly would seem to solve the "pay LT, she does a runner after ST" problem. These are infrequent, but do happen.
  
• If there are problems beforehand (infrequent), just say "Let's go back to the bar", not as a threat, but a statement. If it's too late, then, I've still suggested "Here's taxi money...". This way, it's her decision of what happens.

Post:

• Pay the agreed upon amount. If you don't, then you're ruining "pay after" for ALL.
• Hopefully, the experience has been everything you imagined. If not, well, it will make a good story, and there is always tomorrow.

[Funky Bump]

Your research is a welcomed sight. I hope all others can do the same when they are in the "know".

I'll walk the "triangle" this week. BTW, any suggestions for mid-day drinking / mongering?

Funky Bump