Moscow

[Member #2096]

Hello,

What are good places to find freelance / freebee girls. I know boarhouse but they ask 300$ or more. The Russian girls in Europe are much cheaper. Are there nice bars to find non pro girls for relation. I found Russian girls only interested in money and nothing else so I guess the chances are low to meet a nice normal girl. In nightflight you can not find any girl under 600$. Then the excort girls from girls-students are cheaper (about 150$ per hour).

Where are the massage places located. I can see the internet but I guess the only way to get there is to ask the taxi driver to bring you there. I tried to find boarhouse mself before to but it is impossible since all the street names are in Russian and you can not read them. Only with the taxi I found them.

The previous poster asked about the hotels. There are cheaper hotels (Arbat, Bega) but they are far from the city. In the city centre they do indeed start at 500$.

Tiffany

[Piper1]

I was wondering why the Moscow thread is one of the few large-city threads on ISG without a 'Hotels' thread. But after an hour of RTFF then cross-checking with accommodation sites, now I understand. Standard hotel rooms are at least US$500 to $1000 per night (much more for deluxe rooms!)

Thanks to this site I found a few good apartment links, for nice apartments in good locations at around US$200/night. That's better! My company pays for my travel and accommodation expenses a few times a year to places I choose to go, up to a 'reasonable' amount, but I don't think they would consider $5,000 for one week at a hotel 'reasonable'.

Next for some RTFF on places to go during my week there. It's been years since I was in Moscow. Looking forward to it.

[Stravinsky]

Ppt,

I've been to Fantasys and Charmel and it's been my experience that you will find the girls on the website in the salon. I haven't had the chance to confirm this for every girl in each salon (I wish!) and you may find other girls working there who are not posted on the website, they naturally want to put their best foot forward.

They are like any brothel/bordello. You will be presented with a lineup of the available girls, and then you pays your money and you takes your choice. She might be fantastic, or she might be a dud. I follow the reviews on sextalk.ru, so at least I can avoid the duds.

[Stravinsky]

Wicked info, Stravinsky! Could you explain what exactly "polnii progrom" is?

Polnii progrom is the full program, it includes sex. At the erotic-massage salons, you can just buy a masssage (2000r), if you want, or you can have the full program (3000r).

[Passepartout]

Thanks Stravinsky for usefull information.

1 question: girls on the pictures are really nice... Any chance to meet them in the saloon or it is fakes for most of them?

[Black Bltjones]

3000r/hr. for the "polnii progrom" except for Crazy Horse, which has a deal until the end of July, 2500r/hr.

Wicked info, Stravinsky! Could you explain what exactly "polnii progrom" is?

Best regards

Black Bltjones

[Guido88]

SB,

The official currency of Russia is the Rouble, that's what most businesses will expect. So, you will need to convert your Dollars to Roubles. Used to be, many Russians would be happy to take Dollars, but now, no one wants to hold a currency that is losing value every week. I think Russians will be more likely to take Euros, if anything.

Don't know if Russian ATM's dispense Dollars, I have yet to find an ATM in Moscow that will take my U.S. bank ATM card, and give me money in return. Maybe you will be luckier than me. But then, if your time in Moscow is limited, do you really want to run around town looking for an ATM?? Not to mention all the extra fees that both banks will charge you to withdraw money, assuming you do find one.

I'm not sure what is Rick's position on the mongering scene, I've never discussed it with him, but the Moscow Star apartments are very well located and, as I recall, they all have safes for your valuables. Just excercise a little common sense, like you would in New York, or any large metropolitan area. It's just part of the territory.

And please.... please, please, please, stay away from Hot Dog's. With all the possibilities in Moscow, this is just a waste of time and money.

Strav

I always use the ATM’s’ my preference is at a hotel but do use banks if needed. Seems like there are ATM’s every hundred feet or so on the busier streets.

Most will give you the choice of rubles and sometimes Euros. I prefer to negotiate in rubles.

Yes you do have to pay a transaction fee. Whether converting $100 dollar bills, using a credit card or ATM it’s unavoidable. One way or another you pay to convert cash.

Your problem with being unable to extract cash from an ATM in RU actually is based at home. Even with notifying my bank and their fraud department of my travel itinerary they will on occasion shut the card down. Citibank is the worst at this. All the US banks are worried about fraud in RU.

My solution is to always travel with 2 different bankcards and 2 credit cards.

Nothing worse than running out of money whilst whoring.

Guido88

[Stravinsky]

In the center, the 2 main salons are:

Fantasys, www.fantasys.nu and
Charmel, www.charmel.biz

The other big salon is Elit.tv, www.elit.tv

Fantasys was just discussed here in the forum.
Charmel is in the area of Nikitskii Blvd.
Elit.tv is a little further out, around Metro Komsomolskaya

Prices are the same for each 4000r/hr.

I think the local guys are also feeling the pinch of higher prices as there has been a big increase in massage parlors, where you can get your rocks off for 1200r (1 girl), or 2400r (2 girls), but they do not offer "intime" services (sex).

Some massage parlors do offer intime:
http://www.erotic-massage.ru/
http://www.pussycats.ru/
http://www.crazy-horse.ru/

3000r/hr. for the "polnii progrom" except for Crazy Horse, which has a deal until the end of July, 2500r/hr.

[Passepartout]

Just a question regarding brothels: what is, in your opinion, the 2 best brothels in moscow center (places where sex is possible, not the massage parlour).

If you have the website, it would be nice also. Thanks.


Apart from that, Hot dog is clearly on the list, and is a good warm up.

[Pizdyets]

Any other reports on the girls there are appreciated.I can't agree... I think everybody should at least take a look. For argument's sake. But no, it isn't a cheap option... but a practical one.

I was there again last night (yeah, I've been a bad bad little boy. It wasn't a scouting trip this time, but more of a last moment fit of desperation. It being Tuesday night and all. I arrived around 3:30 or 4 (sorry. Too many cocktails beforehand at Papa's Latin Nite to have a totally accurate report), but I did manage to count how many girls were there: 24. And around 40 guys. Not usually a good ratio, but most were not even looking at the girls. Anyway, the average quality is definitely much lower on off-peak days and times, but there were still a few gems to be spotted. I chatted up one little cutie named Elena but from the start didn't get a good vibe. Her English was horrible (usually a good sign), but she still felt like a pro through-and-through and after 5 minutes I turned my back on her and started chatting with a Russian driver wanting to practice his English. I got approached by more than a few trolls before setting my sights on a thirty-ish brunette with a Louise Brooks bob. Always having had somewhat of a Lulu fetish, I went in. Turned out that she's a Russian expat living abroad, doing business back in Moscow, and like me, just looking for someplace that was still open late on Tuesday night. I asked her if she knew that every other girl there was likely working and it didn't seem to phase her. After more drinking and talking, the lights came up and it was clear that they wanted everyone out (I thought it was 24/7. Apparently not! ) So we went to a cafe to continue our conversation before parting ways, as she had to make her flight back home today. In general, an unexpected but not unpleasant evening.

I really rate this place high on the expat-friendliness scale. You can easily start up a conversation with almost any of the guys there, no matter where they're from. And apparently find an interesting regular girl as well. Someday I might actually do some P4P there!

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[Doctor_Skank]

Nope, they got Warsteiner on tap for something like 160R for 0. 5L, and the food ain't half bad either.

I haven't ho'ed there since the remont but been there a couple of times to get a beer and some chow before going out. Love the nachos. I agree that it is again on my list.

Any other reports on the girls there are appreciated.

And please.... please, please, please, stay away from Hot Dog's. With all the possibilities in Moscow, this is just a waste of time and money.

I can't agree... I think everybody should at least take a look. For argument's sake. But no, it isn't a cheap option... but a practical one. If you know of a better pick-up bar with hos, please inform... AFAIK we are still stuck with NF and CF.

Internet is hit or miss (although fairly reliable actually) and not THAT much cheaper if you are looking for 2-3 hours.

All other options such as strip clubs or gentlemen clubs (like Shandra) are either even more cost-prohibitive or only provide on location fucking, which isn't my bag, baby. I like the girls in my own bed for a couple of hours of fun. Regrettably, Moscow is nearly unaffordable in this regard and ho-ing in Moscow has become a rare treat for me now. I can think of better ways to spend $300.

[Stravinsky]

SB,

The official currency of Russia is the Rouble, that's what most businesses will expect. So, you will need to convert your Dollars to Roubles. Used to be, many Russians would be happy to take Dollars, but now, no one wants to hold a currency that is losing value every week. I think Russians will be more likely to take Euros, if anything.

Don't know if Russian ATM's dispense Dollars, I have yet to find an ATM in Moscow that will take my U.S. bank ATM card, and give me money in return. Maybe you will be luckier than me. But then, if your time in Moscow is limited, do you really want to run around town looking for an ATM?? Not to mention all the extra fees that both banks will charge you to withdraw money, assuming you do find one.

I'm not sure what is Rick's position on the mongering scene, I've never discussed it with him, but the Moscow Star apartments are very well located and, as I recall, they all have safes for your valuables. Just excercise a little common sense, like you would in New York, or any large metropolitan area. It's just part of the territory.

And please.... please, please, please, stay away from Hot Dog's. With all the possibilities in Moscow, this is just a waste of time and money.

[Doctor_Skank]

Yes, I'm a poor American tourist. Please don't rub it in. I used to pity my Australian friends after their currency took a nose dive. Now I'm first in line to get some of their sympathy in return.

Another member recommended I abstain from taking a lot of cash with me and simply withdraw from ATMs instead. This would make me less of a target, I assume, but it leaves a couple of questions:

(1) Do places like Hot Dogs require payment in dollars, or are rubles just fine?

(2) If you need dollars, can you find ATMs that dispense dollars in Russia? (I have never seen an ATM that dispenses a foreign currency, but I suppose it could be possible in Russia).

By the way, I'm staying in one of Moscow Rick's apartments, and I've heard he's cool with the whole mongering scene.

1) you can always pay in rubles everywhere. In fact, for most things and most places you can ONLY pay in rubles. Don't expect to pay in foreign currency at any shops or restaurants. You can't. Hookers don't care whether you pay in dollars, Euros or rubles. I tend to get the best deals in rubles, but there is little difference in paying pros.

2) ATMs work just fine and the exchange rate is quite OK. A lot of them dispense dollars and/or Euros as well. But again, you really shouldn't need dollars for anything.

3) None of the apartment services care about your hoing activities as long as you don't trash the place.

[Shelbysbaker]

I'm sorry, I should explain. Bringing an escort to your room is no problem. The main difference between a private apartment and one of the big international hotels is security. Your security. If you bring a girl back to your apartment and she's got something else on her mind besides sex, like, drugging you and inviting her boyfriend over to ransack the place, rob you blind and beat you to a pulp, then you are pretty much on your own. I don't want to scare you off, but these things do happen from time to time, so you need to be aware of them and protect yourself. Most of the big hotels have no problem with you bringing guests up to your room, but, they may require the girl to register with the hotel, so they know who she is, and when she lets herself out in the morning, they may call up to your room, just to confirm that everything is OK. So, it's a trade-off, it's nice to know that someone has got your back, but, sometimes it can be a pain in the ass. Personally, I prefer a private apartment. But, remember, it's difficult for a foreign tourist to be anonymous in a Russian apartment building. Everyone else who lives in the building will know that the apartment you are staying in is rented to foreign tourists, and foreign tourists have a habit of carrying large amounts of valuables, etc. , etc. Unless of course, you are a poor American tourist, and all you have are Dollars, in which case no one will bother you (LOL). You just need to exercise some discretion, that's all.

Yes, I'm a poor American tourist. Please don't rub it in. I used to pity my Australian friends after their currency took a nose dive. Now I'm first in line to get some of their sympathy in return.

Another member recommended I abstain from taking a lot of cash with me and simply withdraw from ATMs instead. This would make me less of a target, I assume, but it leaves a couple of questions:

(1) Do places like Hot Dogs require payment in dollars, or are rubles just fine?

(2) If you need dollars, can you find ATMs that dispense dollars in Russia? (I have never seen an ATM that dispenses a foreign currency, but I suppose it could be possible in Russia).

By the way, I'm staying in one of Moscow Rick's apartments, and I've heard he's cool with the whole mongering scene.

[Miki Beinspired]

All are fucking bastard running for money.

Went last mounth from Moscow. Fortunatly I have my private driver, cause the taxi service regolar or not are really dangerouse drive so fast!

And they still ask a lot of money and they doesen't speak english (got bad experience 5 years ago in the winter time)

The best it's to know someone have the private car. And want a business!

Unfortunatly not easy. Start to chat and make a friends in Moscow!

Ciao