South China - Dongguan

**Jettsetter** · 08-14-09 11:54

Originally Posted by OldAsiaHand

I can never remember all the girls I do. I often walk into a BBS and pick the same girl I've done before without realizing it. I think this is because we have a certain type we are looking for and that type catches our eye. Most of the time, the girls will not say anything about it.

In your case, I reckon that your girl was working at the Mayflower when you first met her. Many KTV girls will use the Night Market as their last resort if they are not taken out from the KTV.

Just my POV.

OAH

Isn't there a reason why the girls don't wear "red boots" anymore???!

-J

**OldAsiaHand** · 08-14-09 03:58

Originally Posted by BruceTea

LOL....reminds me of a recent incident.

I had a Night Market girl less than 3 months ago who was pretty much my first ST experience. Wad was kind enough to take me there late at night and patiently helped me select her. Liked her quite a bit as she was my type and I promised to be with her the next day, which I didn't do since I was busy with the ISG bros. She got mad and I guess that was that.

Fast forward 3 months later. Was at Mayflower and had trouble selecting a girl. BSDave was kind enough to help me through the parade of girls and patiently helped me select a girl. Liked her quite a bit as she was my type. After like 30 minutes or so, I asked her name and found it familiar. Went ahead and asked her telephone number and went into the bathroom to check. It was a match. I ended up with the same Night Market girl without recognizing her.

I'm pretty sure she knew who I was after those in the KTV called me by my name but we avoided the subject. Went on partying for 4 hours. Gave her the sitting fee and ended the night on that note.

Chances are I'll probably select her unknowingly AGAIN. Kinda weird but I guess I suck when recognizing people, especially in dim settings (yeah, blame it on the dim atmosphere!)...

I can never remember all the girls I do. I often walk into a BBS and pick the same girl I've done before without realizing it. I think this is because we have a certain type we are looking for and that type catches our eye. Most of the time, the girls will not say anything about it.

In your case, I reckon that your girl was working at the Mayflower when you first met her. Many KTV girls will use the Night Market as their last resort if they are not taken out from the KTV.

Just my POV.

OAH

**Big Swingin Dave** · 08-14-09 03:52

Last evening, thanks to SEAJoe and HungryGuy, we venture into a relatively unknown KTV in town. As a matter of fact, we used one of those train station personal car sharks to take us there for 10RMB from the Clipper hotel and the guy doesn't even know where it is.

The KTV is located near the train station, exact location and name to be withheld and because for the fear of a crackdown and potential popularity if mentioned openly, this place will not be able to offer the Chang An (CA) like KTV party style.

We arrived at the KTV at approximately 7pm, normal to late standard at most KTVs in town. Mayflower and JY usually start at 6pm and Peninsula and HuiHua usually starts at 6:30pm. We did not even see the DJs line up at the front entrance. A bad sign... We went up to the third floor and again no reception until a hostess saw us and came running to greet us. We were lead to our room but on the way, no music, no sign of life. Uh-oh...alarms went off... being KTV veterans; we started to be very skeptical of our new surroundings. The room had old equipment with wire microphones but the sound system was decent and works flawlessly. We told the manager that being our first time, we will view the ladies first and if we cannot find any acceptable ladies to party with, we will leave.

The flower street started near the big lounge at 7:30pm. They had about 100 girls, kind of reminds of HuaDu KTV with a lot of smoke. A tactic to hide the beauty of the girls but we were not disappointed. SEAJoe and HungryGuy each found two ladies and one for me (sorry guys...my pick were the best one AGAIN...). The ladies have three different color tags. Blue ones are 2-5-8 (will not strip), Yellow are 3-6-9 (will strip totally nude ALL night), Red are 2 only (not available for after KTV activities).

The management at this place really caters to the customer. They instructed the ladies to do whatever we want inside the room, boy what transpire after that was pure "no holds bar" fun fun fun!!! A blind was used to cover the window opening. No one was allowed into the room except for the manager that helped us make the reservation. We were not interrupted by any annoying people selling popcorn, cigarettes, candies, snacks, mommies, promotion managers all night. We had the room totally to ourselves. The girls were on automatic, they did not need to be told to strip totally naked. Wow, what a change but in a way less erotic like trying to convince a girl to strip, oh well... Of the three that stripped, my girl was a WOW! Perfect B "cup" firm titties and an awesome figure. The skin was not super smooth but what a beauty she was, as a matter of fact, SEAJoe liked her so much, he wanted to take her but she will not do a Double, so he most likely will do her at this afternoon instead. Anyways, because there were only 3 of us in the room, we couldn't play a lot of the games we wanted to play so it would be a lot more fun if we can group up and go there in a big party (i.e. 6 or more...); nevertheless, we had an awesome time. I won't go into too much detail but will leave the imagination to each of you...

For you party animals out there, this place offers a great deal, 300RMB per person, all you can drink (beer only). The price includes snacks, fruit plates, service charge, performance charge, etc. 200RMB minimum tip for the DJ not included.

There are two other semi-naked KTVs (FuHao and JuangHui (ex-SWL) and two quasi-naked KTVs (CA Red and Virgin) KTVs in town but this newly found place is FULLY naked ALL night. It was a great change to the normal KTVs in town, a definite recommended stop for your next time when you are partying in CP.

For an extra 100RMB per WG to enjoy the naked KTV atmosphere, I think is a great deal as some may still want to venture to CA (more places, more variety) but it is about 1 hour away plus 100RMB - 130RMB transportation cost each way and there are the problems of convincing a WG to go to CP overnight and arranging the ladies (another 100RMB - 130RMB) to go back to CA the next morning. We have done that before but why hassle when you can get nearly the same here in CP.

This KTV has 78 rooms and they gave me a tour with the largest one being able to hold 50 plus. Also, they told me that they can make the large lounge area into a mega party room which will hold 100 plus. I think I will organize a big party on the first Saturday of next month (September 5th) at this place. Let me know if anyone is in town at that time and would like to join in.

To help ensure that this place will be able to continue to provide the naked-ktv fun and to protect the anonymity of this establishment, PM me if you want details but I ask the ISG brothers not to divulge the name and location of this establishment in the open forum. Thank you in advance!

BSD

**OldAsiaHand** · 08-14-09 03:50

Originally Posted by Sharka

Thanks guys,
Didn't read any details on how bad it is down there, just the usual post on how dirty it was and the hanky panky and all that.
But if its so bad there then why does the Catac. even exist today as most will not even venture there for business.

Shark,

At 30 RMB a shot, it caters mostly to locals e.g. migrant workers, taxi drivers, etc. who cannot afford 150-200 RMB for a BBS girl. The girls do 10-12 punters on a good day.

I am an advocate of "trying everything once in life" and earned my stripes in the catacombs years ago. I used to know the "mafia" guy in charge of the area and he gave me a guided tour one time. After that, I felt more comfortable roaming around alone since I would stop by to "check in" with him on subsequent visits. It's been over a year since I ventured in so I don't know if he is still around. He usually hangs out in front of the shop with the pool table just as you enter the area. Since his goons are strategically positioned around the area, you are OK with his protection net looking over your shoulder.

That said, if you insist on trying, take our advice. Go in with 3 guys at least and try it 1 guy at a time so there are always 2 of you outside the door waiting.

Just my POV.

OAH

**Big Swingin Dave** · 08-14-09 02:56

Originally Posted by Sharka

Thanks,
I was just assuming not everyone in CP had money for cars but had alternate ways of transportation other than walking, biking or taxi.

I don't read chinese at all as I'm ABC but can get by= understand passing or moderate amounts of Cantonese (only).
So can you go on yellow buses directly from one monger venue to another or will you require a transfer to another bus or perhaps close enough for drop off and walk--by walking I mean about 10min or less?

BTW: what exactly are bread vans , are these the ones the hotel hires for customer pickup?

Shark

The Swan Lake area is ground zero for most of the mongering activities in CP. Below is an estimated travel time for walking and taxi between the SWL area and the following areas:

Train Station: Walking - 15 minutes; Taxi - 7 minutes
HuiHua/Miraton - 20/10
Pedestrian Street/Revolving Restaurant (main shopping areas) - 15/7

The great thing about mongering in CP is that everything is close by, nothing more than 10 minutes taxi ride and 10RMB fare away but it can add up if you take a few trips a day. I prefer walking but right now it's quite hot and not very comfortable outside during the day.

Public buses are available for 2RMB each way but if you don't know your way around and get lost, it will cost you time and more money. Stick with taxis, make sure they use the meter (most taxis do in CP without asking), just point at the meter and say "da biao", if they don't get out and get another one.

There are also 3 wheel pedi-taxi and will go to most places for 5RMB. Make sure you negotiate in advance, i.e. say "huo che janh" (train station) then hold up 5 fingers and if they nodd, get on; otherwise make sure they understand where they are going and how much before you get in.

BSD
BSD

**LA Dude** · 08-14-09 02:47

The lighting at Mayflower is dim but I didn't find that it made a difference in seeing the girls clearly. There were no surprises for me. What is worse is the proliferation of push up bras. Those bras make the breast size look one cup larger. So all of the alleged C cups I chose ended up being B cups.

Originally Posted by Pleasure Dude

Hey Bruce, it was nice meeting you the other day at the big event. I find the lighting at Mayflowers very dimmed so you can't really see the girls clearly. You will be surprised what a lot of girls will look like if someone decides to turn the lights up on flower street. My instinct is to always go with a girl that looks great without too much make up on. On another note, I was at Royal Garden KTV a week ago and the selection there was excellent as usual. They have a smaller flower street where the girls are sitting down. The lighting there is very bright so there is no surprises with your selection later on. Unfortunatley I was accompanying my ex-gf that day so only looking is allowed. Saw a few nice ones that I would definitely pick. PD

**Big Swingin Dave** · 08-14-09 02:46

Originally Posted by Sharka

Thanks guys,

Didn't read any details on how bad it is down there, just the usual post on how dirty it was and the hanky panky and all that.

But if its so bad there then why does the Catac. even exist today as most will not even venture there for business.

The second time I was in CP, I met an ISG brother (forgot his handle...sorry) that introduced me to SEAJoe and Wadman and they took us for a tour of the Catacomb. It was behind the Walter hotel near the swimming pool but I remember that it was a maze of back alleys and the rooms were quite small and dingy. The rusted steel doors were had outside pad locks on them to lock the WG girls in. It was high noon when we went so not much activities at that time but I remember seeing the conditions of these places and found it to be quite depressing. The bed was just a board with a dirty pillow, no showers or running water. This is not for the kind at heart and definitely not a touring mongering spot, it's for poor local guys needing a quickie. I advise that all ISG brothers should stay away from this area. It's not safe and definitely we expats and tourists are NOT welcome there.

BSD

**Kazzerra** · 08-14-09 01:24

Originally Posted by Sharka

Thanks,
I was just assuming not everyone in CP had money for cars but had alternate ways of transportation other than walking, biking or taxi.

I don't read chinese at all as I'm ABC but can get by= understand passing or moderate amounts of Cantonese (only).
So can you go on yellow buses directly from one monger venue to another or will you require a transfer to another bus or perhaps close enough for drop off and walk--by walking I mean about 10min or less?

BTW: what exactly are bread vans , are these the ones the hotel hires for customer pickup?

Shark

I think you better take a taxi, it will save you a lot of problem I guess. I am also an ABC and I speak fluently cantonese it even difficult for me to move freely in cp. First not everybody in cp understand cantonese most of them are foreign worker who came from outside cp so they don't speak any cantonese only putungua. All monger venue in cp are actually on a short distance from each other. So the taxi fare will not be very high I guess. It is just my point of view.You decide what you want to do.

**Sharka** · 08-13-09 23:38

Originally Posted by Weelock

You can take the local yellow buses. It 's 2RMB each direction, one way. I hope you understand Chinese. If you expect to get directions from most locals speaking other than Chinese, forget it.

You can also take private transportation like the bread vans but it is not advisable.

They outlawed the motorcycle taxis. The motorcycles were popular once.

For the locals not having cars is not true.

Thanks,
I was just assuming not everyone in CP had money for cars but had alternate ways of transportation other than walking, biking or taxi.

I don't read chinese at all as I'm ABC but can get by= understand passing or moderate amounts of Cantonese (only).
So can you go on yellow buses directly from one monger venue to another or will you require a transfer to another bus or perhaps close enough for drop off and walk--by walking I mean about 10min or less?

BTW: what exactly are bread vans , are these the ones the hotel hires for customer pickup?

Shark

**Sharka** · 08-13-09 23:29

Originally Posted by Jettsetter

This really sounds like famous last words before we get a new report about you heading down the catacombs alone, surrounded by 3 thugs asking for a hand-out... just think about it... who are you going to call for help? Where are you going to run? Day-light or not... you're done...

just hope that what you have in your pockets is enough not to get a whack to the head...

there are lots of twists and corners in the catacombs, it's really like being in a mini concrete village. I've been through there with 3 guys and you take a wrong turn and you can get separated from you buddies... very easily...

don't do it... take the advice on this board seriously... we're here to help you... not hinder you from the fine tuna... however, when the pink tacos come at the risk of bodily injury, we must strongly advise against it.

I'd even say two guys isn't enough.. I'd say take 3 guys at least to walk through that place... and don't wear flip-flops... not adviseable if you have to make a quick getaway...

-J

Thanks guys,
Didn't read any details on how bad it is down there, just the usual post on how dirty it was and the hanky panky and all that.
But if its so bad there then why does the Catac. even exist today as most will not even venture there for business.

**Pleasure Dude** · 08-13-09 21:53

Hey Bruce, it was nice meeting you the other day at the big event. I find the lighting at Mayflowers very dimmed so you can't really see the girls clearly. You will be surprised what a lot of girls will look like if someone decides to turn the lights up on flower street. My instinct is to always go with a girl that looks great without too much make up on. On another note, I was at Royal Garden KTV a week ago and the selection there was excellent as usual. They have a smaller flower street where the girls are sitting down. The lighting there is very bright so there is no surprises with your selection later on. Unfortunatley I was accompanying my ex-gf that day so only looking is allowed. Saw a few nice ones that I would definitely pick.

PD

Originally Posted by BruceTea

LOL....reminds me of a recent incident.

I had a Night Market girl less than 3 months ago who was pretty much my first ST experience. Wad was kind enough to take me there late at night and patiently helped me select her. Liked her quite a bit as she was my type and I promised to be with her the next day, which I didn't do since I was busy with the ISG bros. She got mad and I guess that was that.

Fast forward 3 months later. Was at Mayflower and had trouble selecting a girl. BSDave was kind enough to help me through the parade of girls and patiently helped me select a girl. Liked her quite a bit as she was my type. After like 30 minutes or so, I asked her name and found it familiar. Went ahead and asked her telephone number and went into the bathroom to check. It was a match. I ended up with the same Night Market girl without recognizing her.

I'm pretty sure she knew who I was after those in the KTV called me by my name but we avoided the subject. Went on partying for 4 hours. Gave her the sitting fee and ended the night on that note.

Chances are I'll probably select her unknowingly AGAIN. Kinda weird but I guess I suck when recognizing people, especially in dim settings (yeah, blame it on the dim atmosphere!)...

**BruceTea** · 08-13-09 14:51

Originally Posted by ManonsanBoy

I had a girl from a BBS about 6 months ago. She was new to it and was shall we say at best adequate. But she had a face and body to drool over, even in street clothes. I kept her ON and we chatted a bit.
Yesterday, I saw her in a line up at Sangem Goodview.

Well, she showed off all her new skills over 2 hours and I emerged rather happy and relaxed.

LOL....reminds me of a recent incident.

I had a Night Market girl less than 3 months ago who was pretty much my first ST experience. Wad was kind enough to take me there late at night and patiently helped me select her. Liked her quite a bit as she was my type and I promised to be with her the next day, which I didn't do since I was busy with the ISG bros. She got mad and I guess that was that.

Fast forward 3 months later. Was at Mayflower and had trouble selecting a girl. BSDave was kind enough to help me through the parade of girls and patiently helped me select a girl. Liked her quite a bit as she was my type. After like 30 minutes or so, I asked her name and found it familiar. Went ahead and asked her telephone number and went into the bathroom to check. It was a match. I ended up with the same Night Market girl without recognizing her.

I'm pretty sure she knew who I was after those in the KTV called me by my name but we avoided the subject. Went on partying for 4 hours. Gave her the sitting fee and ended the night on that note.

Chances are I'll probably select her unknowingly AGAIN. Kinda weird but I guess I suck when recognizing people, especially in dim settings (yeah, blame it on the dim atmosphere!)...

**Jettsetter** · 08-13-09 09:22

Originally Posted by Sharka

Point taken, but still wonder why some still report wandering there (alone i think) if its that dangerous. I would never venture there at nite of course(or it seems anywhere in CP at nite by foot as most now think CP is unsafe.)
If the catacom. is open during the mid afternoon or perhaps mornings, it can't be that bad just to walk thru and have a looksee to satisfy a curiosity, if one is alert and not drunk or look scared shitless?--

Shark

This really sounds like famous last words before we get a new report about you heading down the catacombs alone, surrounded by 3 thugs asking for a hand-out... just think about it... who are you going to call for help? Where are you going to run? Day-light or not... you're done...

just hope that what you have in your pockets is enough not to get a whack to the head...

there are lots of twists and corners in the catacombs, it's really like being in a mini concrete village. I've been through there with 3 guys and you take a wrong turn and you can get separated from you buddies... very easily...

don't do it... take the advice on this board seriously... we're here to help you... not hinder you from the fine tuna... however, when the pink tacos come at the risk of bodily injury, we must strongly advise against it.

I'd even say two guys isn't enough.. I'd say take 3 guys at least to walk through that place... and don't wear flip-flops... not adviseable if you have to make a quick getaway...

-J

**Jettsetter** · 08-13-09 09:17

Originally Posted by Ppp Traveler

Dude,

I was about to go through with this, until you posted those pictures! Now I'll have to wear a wig, glasses, and big nose to hide from SEAJoe, OAH, and Jettsetter every time I'm in CP. Which will definitely scare all the girls away, except for the ones in. The catacombs! Oh well, guess I'll just have to go through with it, right? It can't reeeaaally be that bad? The worst I've seen is, surprisingly, at some of the one-woman apartments in Hong Kong. I remember seeing one who looked like that wife/landlord lady from "Kung Fu Hustle". It can't be worse than that, can it?

Sigh. If I want to walk in the footsteps of Master SEAJoe and Master OAH, I HAVE to use the force and experience this aspect of mongering life as well. That which does not kill me will only make me stronger, and more appreciative of the young, nubile girls of CP. Just remind me to bring some brown paper bags and a box of industrial-strength KY Jelly.

PPP

Yes, PPP, and note if you get me to pick, she WILL look like Yoda...

**Weelock** · 08-13-09 03:58

Originally Posted by Sharka

A thought just occur to me as I don't remember reading about this in CP-(and I've read back at least 6-7 months).
Aside from the 2 color taxis that everyone talks about, (and walking) are there any local transportation like local buses that all the locals use to get around town. I assume the local population don't all have cars or take the taxis everywhere so just wondering how they do it?

Shark

You can take the local yellow buses. It 's 2RMB each direction, one way. I hope you understand Chinese. If you expect to get directions from most locals speaking other than Chinese, forget it.

You can also take private transportation like the bread vans but it is not advisable.

They outlawed the motorcycle taxis. The motorcycles were popular once.

For the locals not having cars is not true.