Iching, can you give us a list of your favorite spots and the lowdown on some of the new venues that have opened lately. Would appreciate an insiders opinion.
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Iching, can you give us a list of your favorite spots and the lowdown on some of the new venues that have opened lately. Would appreciate an insiders opinion.
I'll be catching a bus from Saigon to PP tomorrow, I'm just wondering whats the preferred currency? I have USD, VND and some THB. Should I exchange for local money or workout prices with what I have?
I'll be staying at New York Hotel for 2 nights. Can you get FS in the massage parlour or is it only in your hotel room?
Its my first time travelling to Cambodia, unfortunately my vietnamese wife will be tagging along as she wants to have a look and go shopping. Are there any places to visit (appart from the usual tourist places like temples etc etc) I was thinking about going to the rifle range and go karting and buying local handycrafts. (Yes I know this is a mongering forum, not a damn lonley planet holiday guide) The prices for shooting guns are pretty exp, same price in VN.
I had a good read of this thread and know of some places NOT to bring the wife to.
Hopefully I'll be able to drop her off somewhere and I'll go do some "shopping" on my own.
The police have recently started to crackdown on a numbers of bars and have recently started to check that the girls are "correctly" dressed i.e. wearing a bra and pants. Also a number of bars have been raided to check on the age of the girls.
Well went around a few hostie bar & KTV places near sisowath quay, mainly around 138, 118, 110 and 104 streets. Don't know if any were new but from my last trip there seemed to be a few more.
Just wish that these owners train these girls better as hosties as it really is off putting to be hammered by 6-8 girls all begging for a $3 drink. I normally like to sit around for a few minutes and then pick out the one I like!
Also a few of the bars had 'no drugs' and '"no barfines' signs, it was metioned that the cops are clamping down at the P4P scene. At bar 104 a girl was willing to go but asked for $100 LT which made choke and leave.
[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]Iching, can you give us a list of your favorite spots and the lowdown on some of the new venues that have opened lately. Would appreciate an insiders opinion.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Iching]I still like Cambodia there`s lots more bars that have opened in PP and still a lot cheaper than Thailand. I LOVE PHNOM PENH.[/QUOTE]
How much cheaper than Thailand? Can you give some comparisons?
[QUOTE=Amjeck]How much cheaper than Thailand? Can you give some comparisons?[/QUOTE]
Thailand: You think about how much it costs.
Cambodia: You only think about how much it costs if you're paying too much.
But in terms of development, Thailand is like being in a highly developed society compared to Cambodia, which has about as much organisation as an open sewer. Think about the environment you are comfy with. Cambodia does demand a rather more adventurous spirit, I think.
[Quote=Mik Hcmc] I'll be catching a bus from Saigon to PP tomorrow, I'm just wondering whats the preferred currency? I have USD, VND and some THB. Should I exchange for local money or workout prices with what I have?[/quote]
Just US dollars.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]How much cheaper than Thailand? Can you give some comparisons?[/QUOTE]Hotels, alcohol, barfines about 30-50% cheaper
Girls from $5-$15 ST, $15-25 LT in Thailand about $15-30/50 ST, $30-75 LT, don't forget the barfines $10, in TH $15-30 in Thailand. Quality and service much better though in Thailand IMO!
Have fun, be careful out there!
[QUOTE=Amjeck]How much cheaper than Thailand? Can you give some comparisons? [/QUOTE]Amjeck,
I think the overall cost PP vs BKK is about 40% cheaper here, but this is a third world country with not a lot to do in the day time, if you included visa cost and expensive air fare to get here not such a big bargin , I think you should give it a try but PP is not for everyone, I been to PP twice no sure if I will come back here again.
Fast Eddie 48
Thanks for that Christopherd.
I'm in Newyork hotel atm. The wifi is a bit dodgey, I can connect but get problems getting onto the net and my messengers not connecting.
This morning I got the net working.
I took a massage upstairs 7th floor. The massuests look like they are left with no place left to go. All washed up looking. I took one gal about a 4/10. got a massage but she kept pestering me for boom boom. she wanted usd$50 for 2 shots!
I told her I can go to riverside or pick up a girl for usd$15 st who is much younger, better body and looking than you. She still wanted $50. She was very annoying about it but lucky it was a decent massage.
For those living in PP or visiting for awhile. What's the current cost of a mototaxi ride these days. I mean what the locals pay and not what they try to milk the tourist prices.
Last time I was in PP , it was 2000r for a short ride during the day and 3000-4000r for longer rides and at nite.
Thanks
Shark
[QUOTE=Amjeck]How much cheaper than Thailand? Can you give some comparisons?[/QUOTE]
Decent hotel- Same as pattaya.
Food - I found more expensive because of dollar currency and most of the decent food can be found only in good restaurents.
In Pattaya any restaurent, even the hole in the wall places serve
good food and cheaper prices.
Drinks- Same as Pattaya.
Travel - Same if you use moto compared to tuk tuk.
Buses are very cheap also.
Sightseeing- Entry to angkor wat is expensive.
Girlie bars- There is no pressure to buy drinks for girls. Barfine was $7.
St was $15-$20, Lt was $25-$30
Freelancers- St $10-$15 LT- $20-$25. No Need to buy them drinks.
Cambo girls hardly drink anyway.
Scam factor- Watch the check carefully before paying. They tend to pad it
up and pocket the money.
Pimps promise and may deliver bad girls. I never tried.
GFE- Like everywhere else depends on the girl.
[QUOTE=Iching]The rumour i heard is that the Cambodian government have restricted the amount of vietnamse woman they let into the country after K11.
It would be interesting if any mongers know the story here.[/QUOTE]Honestly, I don't understand what you mean. The large majority of Vietnamese people in Cambodia are still illegal for a while. If a viet want to cross the vietnam/Cambodian he or she just has to paid highly corrupted immigration officer, nothing else.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Channy,
Never say forever as long as newbie are bring here by moto driver on comisson and there are money to be make they will be in business but not in the open.
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]Yes Fast Eddie, it s true, Never said never. But 63 street ever in her golden age never closed fully, it s the favourite place for khmer guys in need of cheap viet girls. Ever during major carckdown brothels quickly re-opened with back entrance.(these place make too much money for not tempted corrupt cops) since 2006 many local brothels don t accepted barang. For pimps: barang=ngo problems=more money for cops (because barang are supposed to far more than khmer guy)
Some Brothels will accepted barang just in the goal to robbed them.
Which make me smile in this report.; is girls near Sorya mall, at the crossroad with street 154, don t suffered about this crackdown.; so strange. Probably because they are khmer, and the crackdown once again targeted only viet.
Cheers
Last 30 days the nightlife in PP has changed.
Bleu Lagoon on str 108 is closed coz of some hand bar dancing and the owner arrested/
Bar in str 104 got a warning coz they dont stick the new clsoing time (midnight). The Pure Bar is closed by the owners coz they were scared to be arrested by the police. Some bikini dancing took place at the back of the bar.
Str 136
Iris Bar closed by the police and the korean owners arrested.
Chearleaders bar (owned by 2 english guys) closed by the police and they owners arrested. One is released (some big money transfer).
Theary Bar (owned by a german) got a warning and they will change into a restaurant or maybe relocate to Sihanoukville.
Oasis bar is scared and will turn into a restaurant starting tomorrow.
Great Palm Bar closed by the owner.
Str 51
Shanghai Bar got a warning as well. The girls there wear now some kind of school uniform.
Dollhouse is closed by the owner and will reopen as a restaurant. The girls working there take a rest now in Sihanoukville.
Walkabout almost no girls. All girls are scared.
Current situation.
Most bars dont have customers and almost no hostesses. No dancing at all. All laps removed in the bars.
Barfine is not there anymore. Illegal according to Cambodia law (pimping).
Welcome to PP and happy mongering
[QUOTE=Broko]Last 30 days the nightlife in PP has changed.
Bleu Lagoon on str 108 is closed coz of some hand bar dancing and the owner arrested/
Bar in str 104 got a warning coz they dont stick the new clsoing time (midnight). The Pure Bar is closed by the owners coz they were scared to be arrested by the police. Some bikini dancing took place at the back of the bar.
Str 136
Iris Bar closed by the police and the korean owners arrested.
Chearleaders bar (owned by 2 english guys) closed by the police and they owners arrested. One is released (some big money transfer).
Theary Bar (owned by a german) got a warning and they will change into a restaurant or maybe relocate to Sihanoukville.
Oasis bar is scared and will turn into a restaurant starting tomorrow.
Great Palm Bar closed by the owner.
Str 51
Shanghai Bar got a warning as well. The girls there wear now some kind of school uniform.
Dollhouse is closed by the owner and will reopen as a restaurant. The girls working there take a rest now in Sihanoukville.
Walkabout almost no girls. All girls are scared.
Current situation.
Most bars dont have customers and almost no hostesses. No dancing at all. All laps removed in the bars.
Barfine is not there anymore. Illegal according to Cambodia law (pimping).
Welcome to PP and happy mongering[/QUOTE]
I'm only gone less than a year and the shit hit the fan. There is almost no reason for a return visit later this year as most options are eliminated.
Are there any news if the local brothels on st 154 and touk K are affected?
and also Mikado and LeCyr.?
Shark
[QUOTE=Broko]Last 30 days the nightlife in PP has changed.
Current situation.
Most bars dont have customers and almost no hostesses. No dancing at all. All laps removed in the bars.
Barfine is not there anymore. Illegal according to Cambodia law (pimping).
Welcome to PP and happy mongering[/QUOTE]Can this be true? Is the Cambodian government going insane? I was in Phnom Penh just this last March and I thought the scene was great and the girls so nice. How could these fascists pull this shit. I immediately had to listen to Bob Marley’s' classic song 'Burnin' and Lootin' with the opening lines "This morning I woke up in a curfew. Oh God, I was a prisoner too".
I planned on returning to PP this February. But if this Govt. lock down remains in force looks like I will be heading down to Pattaya instead. I will be more than ok, but I feel sorry for the girls and the bar owners. What BS.
Hey guys - because I am thinking about trip to Cambo - I have read reports of many bars being closed due to a crackdown.
Which is true:
1. Nearly all P4P is shutdown.
2. Only the P4P for farangs is shut down.
3. Only the viet providers have been shut down, the khymer poontang is still for sale?
Are their still freelancers walking about or are they shut down too?
Does the shutdown only apply to PP or to all of Cambo?
Should I forget it?
Just had the one night and had nothing big planned but headed over to Rose Bar to find lots and lots of girls 'working' there. Some cute, some not so cute but mostly fun girls.
Got chatting to a couple of girls, and as I got more and more drunk I got liberal with the girlie drinks. Bought about 5 in all at $3 dollars each. At midnight I found out one of the girls was not even working that night but had just come in for some fun. She wanted to leave so took her back to my hotel (flamingos), with no mention of cash. Anyway, she stripped off and it was obvious she had a baby but body was still good. Not a bad fuck either. At about 1.30 she got a phone call from her 'sister' who needed some 'help' so she had to leave. She promised to come back later but I didn't believe that.
Fell asleep and at 2.30 there was a knock at the door. Open it to see her again and the other cute girl from the bar! Had a fun night fucking the pair of them and once again in the morning. They didn't do anything to each other but were very attentive to me. (as per usual with Khmers, there was no BJ)
In the morning I gave them $30 between them and said my goodbyes. They never asked for money and seemed happy with what they got.
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Was in Phnom Penh over the last weekend
Freelancers were very much around in Walkabout. Quality though average.
LT cost was $25
Next day barfined a good looking/stacked babe from Happy Man bar near the riverside. Bar fine was $5 and $20 for the babe for ST- 2hours. Could have had an allnighter for $25 maybe but decided not to as I had an early morning flight back to Singapore.
Safety is in taking them to your hotel and not using outside lodgings.
Stayed at Flamingo's which takes care of one quite well. They also call up the room when the girl leaves to ensure everything is allright.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]Can this be true? Is the Cambodian government going insane? I was in Phnom Penh just this last March and I thought the scene was great and the girls so nice. How could these fascists pull this shit. I immediately had to listen to Bob Marley’s' classic song 'Burnin' and Lootin' with the opening lines "This morning I woke up in a curfew. Oh God, I was a prisoner too".
I planned on returning to PP this February. But if this Govt. lock down remains in force looks like I will be heading down to Pattaya instead. I will be more than ok, but I feel sorry for the girls and the bar owners. What BS.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mature Man]Was in Phnom Penh over the last weekend
Freelancers were very much around in Walkabout. Quality though average.
LT cost was $25
Next day barfined a good looking/stacked babe from Happy Man bar near the riverside. Bar fine was $5 and $20 for the babe for ST- 2hours. Could have had an allnighter for $25 maybe but decided not to as I had an early morning flight back to Singapore.
Safety is in taking them to your hotel and not using outside lodgings.
Stayed at Flamingo's which takes care of one quite well. They also call up the room when the girl leaves to ensure everything is allright.[/QUOTE]
Ok, there were previous reports of all doom and gloom in PP, but according to some new reports not all venues are affected. So maybe safe to say "party on" but perhaps not in all places as before the crackdown- or am I wrong with this assumption?
PT
Yes, It does appear that all places have not been affected.
The moto and tuk tuk guys will have the updates when you reach.
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Ok, there were previous reports of all doom and gloom in PP, but according to some new reports not all venues are affected. So maybe safe to say "party on" but perhaps not in all places as before the crackdown- or am I wrong with this assumption?
PT[/QUOTE]
I recently emailed the moto driver I will use upon arrival in PP and questioned him about bar closings. He says only 3 have been effected but didnot say which ones. All others are open and running as usual.
[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]I recently emailed the moto driver I will use upon arrival in PP and questioned him about bar closings. He says only 3 have been effected but didnot say which ones. All others are open and running as usual.[/QUOTE]
If thats true, then it is a sign that perhaps
1)some bars were not paying off their proper "bribes" with the police and other officials.
2)could be NGO pressure behind this and police had to crackdown on some to make it seem they are doing their jobs.
Shark
[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]I recently emailed the moto driver I will use upon arrival in PP and questioned him about bar closings. He says only 3 have been affected but did not say which ones. All others are open and running as usual.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sharka]If thats true, then it is a sign that perhaps
1)some bars were not paying off their proper "bribes" with the police and other officials.
2)could be NGO pr
essure behind this and police had to crackdown on some to make it seem they are doing their jobs. Shark[/QUOTE]So as more reports are filed it appears that things are OK in PP. I will continue to monitor things. Pattaya is my back up plan. So even though I have already purchased a non refundable Bangkok Airways roundtrip ticket, if it appears that my favorite bars are under siege, there is no way I will get on the plane. I’ll take a taxi to Pattaya and not give it a further thought. Roll right stone!
Well sorry guys but let me tell you from someone that lives here and visits the hostess bars a couple of times a week.
They have all been affected. Nearly all the bars except maybe two have removed the tinting from the windows on the front doors or glass. All the girls have been directed not to dress sexily. This includes the big three Sharky Martini and Walkabout.
In most of the hostess bars the number of girls has been slashed and it wasnt the fatter older uglier girls either. There are about 3 bars that have kept up the numbers of girls.
Another question was is it affecting places other than Phnom Penh. The answer is definitly Yes. There have been raids in Siem Reap, Palin, and in Snooky. I have heard some very disturbing news about the level of security in Snooky as well.
I know it all sounds doom and gloom but this is first hand experience as of this week or you could listen to a moto who is not allowed in any of these bars.
Im not saying dont come just make sure you have much lower expectations than before. You wont find sexy dressed girls dancing on bars. The vibe in the bars is now very low key.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Well sorry guys but let me tell you from someone that lives here and visits the hostess bars a couple of times a week.
They have all been affected. Nearly all the bars except maybe two have removed the tinting from the windows on the front doors or glass. All the girls have been directed not to dress sexily. This includes the big three Sharky Martini and Walkabout.
In most of the hostess bars the number of girls has been slashed and it wasnt the fatter older uglier girls either. There are about 3 bars that have kept up the numbers of girls.
Another question was is it affecting places other than Phnom Penh. The answer is definitly Yes. There have been raids in Siem Reap, Palin, and in Snooky. I have heard some very disturbing news about the level of security in Snooky as well.
I know it all sounds doom and gloom but this is first hand experience as of this week or you could listen to a moto who is not allowed in any of these bars.
Im not saying dont come just make sure you have much lower expectations than before. You wont find sexy dressed girls dancing on bars. The vibe in the bars is now very low key.[/QUOTE]I really don't understand how the people running the show and the NGO's can be so short sighted and stupid. They're never going to stop the sex industry. All they'll do is push it back underground which will lead to a return of child prostitution and enforced sex slavery. They'll also find that the 'honourable' mongerers who aren't interested in fucking women held against their will or kids will head to other destinations so their economy will suffer.
I swear, the people driving this crackdown need to pull their heads out of the sand and get an understanding of how the real world works.
[QUOTE=Aussie Fella]I really don't understand how the people running the show and the NGO's can be so short sighted and stupid. They're never going to stop the sex industry. All they'll do is push it back underground which will lead to a return of child prostitution and enforced sex slavery. They'll also find that the 'honourable' mongerers who aren't interested in fucking women held against their will or kids will head to other destinations so their economy will suffer.
I swear, the people driving this crackdown need to pull their heads out of the sand and get an understanding of how the real world works.[/QUOTE]If it is just a crackdown is it possible that the Cambodian government are allowing the bars but are just cleaning them up.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Well sorry guys but let me tell you from someone that lives here and visits the hostess bars a couple of times a week.
They have all been affected. Nearly all the bars except maybe two have removed the tinting from the windows on the front doors or glass. All the girls have been directed not to dress sexily. This includes the big three Sharky Martini and Walkabout.
In most of the hostess bars the number of girls has been slashed and it wasnt the fatter older uglier girls either. There are about 3 bars that have kept up the numbers of girls.
Another question was is it affecting places other than Phnom Penh. The answer is definitly Yes. There have been raids in Siem Reap, Palin, and in Snooky. I have heard some very disturbing news about the level of security in Snooky as well.
I know it all sounds doom and gloom but this is first hand experience as of this week or you could listen to a moto who is not allowed in any of these bars.
Im not saying dont come just make sure you have much lower expectations than before. You wont find sexy dressed girls dancing on bars. The vibe in the bars is now very low key.[/QUOTE]Maybe could still savage something out of my coming trip to PP and Snooky.
Since you are the eyes/ears there now, are the local brothels affected also or just the girlie bars catering to us mongering foreigners?
Pirate
[QUOTE=Aussie Fella]I really don't understand how the people running the show and the NGO's can be so short sighted and stupid. They're never going to stop the sex industry. All they'll do is push it back underground which will lead to a return of child prostitution and enforced sex slavery. They'll also find that the 'honourable' mongerers who aren't interested in fucking women held against their will or kids will head to other destinations so their economy will suffer.
I swear, the people driving this crackdown need to pull their heads out of the sand and get an understanding of how the real world works.[/QUOTE]
NGO's are a weird group to begin with as they all try to save the world and convert the world to their ideal image. They will try to STOP the sex industry anyway they can. Ever notice all those nice Lexus cars/SUV, alot of them are donated by NGO groups to local officials to help clean our fun up. They don't care if its forced underground and to them there is no such thing as an "honorable monger", to them we are all criminals as our hobby is sinful.
Shark
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Well sorry guys but let me tell you from someone that lives here and visits the hostess bars a couple of times a week.
They have all been affected. Nearly all the bars except maybe two have removed the tinting from the windows on the front doors or glass. All the girls have been directed not to dress sexily. This includes the big three Sharky Martini and Walkabout.
In most of the hostess bars the number of girls has been slashed and it wasnt the fatter older uglier girls either. There are about 3 bars that have kept up the numbers of girls.
Another question was is it affecting places other than Phnom Penh. The answer is definitly Yes. There have been raids in Siem Reap, Palin, and in Snooky. I have heard some very disturbing news about the level of security in Snooky as well.
I know it all sounds doom and gloom but this is first hand experience as of this week or you could listen to a moto who is not allowed in any of these bars.
Im not saying dont come just make sure you have much lower expectations than before. You wont find sexy dressed girls dancing on bars. The vibe in the bars is now very low key.[/QUOTE]
I may need to take back my previous post. Maybe it's already doom and gloom. And right at the time when I was about to return to my favorite mongering holes. Sad, very sad.
PT
[QUOTE=Aussie Fella]I really don't understand how the people running the show and the NGO's can be so short sighted and stupid. They're never going to stop the sex industry. All they'll do is push it back underground which will lead to a return of child prostitution and enforced sex slavery. They'll also find that the 'honourable' mongerers who aren't interested in fucking women held against their will or kids will head to other destinations so their economy will suffer.
I swear, the people driving this crackdown need to pull their heads out of the sand and get an understanding of how the real world works.[/QUOTE]It’s worse than this AF. In a worldwide depression, “the people running the show” in Cambodia have decided to clamp down on a significant source of hard currency and GDP. Tourism brings billions of dollars (Euros) into the country. This foreign revenue stream flows into hotels, restaurants, shops, construction, transportation and bars which employ thousands of Cambodians and thus into the homes of ordinary citizens.
Now I am willing to concede that the sex industry may be an embarrassment, unnecessary and even counterproductive in a place like Siem Reap where millions of “culture” tourists go every year. But Phnom Penh is a different story. There is very little reason for an ordinary tourist to visit PP. The city may benefit a little due to its proximity to Angkor Wat from the curious and adventure seeking tourist, but let’s face it, the city does not have much to offer average tourists. A visit of one or two days more than suffices. International business men and foreign government officials would constitute the only other foreign group visiting the capital.
Thus it is visitors like us, 'honorable' mongerers’ that make up a significant percentage of the tourist economy in PP. And in the worst international economic downturn since the 1930’s, the brilliant leaders in Cambodia have decided to tell “us” not to come. Ok. I know when I am not welcome. As I said in my last post, “I will continue to monitor things. Pattaya is my back up plan. If it appears that my favorite bars are under siege, there is no way I will get on the plane. I’ll take a taxi to Pattaya and not give it a further thought.”
It ain’t no big deal to me, nor to anyone else reading this post. But the net effect of turning off this foreign source of capital is a big deal to the citizens of Phnom Penh. That’s why I don’t think the crackdown will last. But who can say? This issue may have more to do with national pride than economics. Only time will tell. Too bad. Sad.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Another question was is it affecting places other than Phnom Penh. The answer is definitly Yes. There have been raids in Siem Reap, Palin, and in Snooky. I have heard some very disturbing news about the level of security in Snooky as well.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with your post. That is what I saw when I was in PP. Living in Snooky I am not aware of a raid here. Where was it?
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]It’s worse than this AF. In a worldwide depression, “the people running the show” in Cambodia have decided to clamp down on a significant source of hard currency and GDP.
Thus it is visitors like us, 'honorable' mongerers’ that make up a significant percentage of the tourist economy in PP. And in the worst international economic downturn since the 1930’s, the brilliant leaders in Cambodia have decided to tell “us” not to come.
It ain’t no big deal to me, nor to anyone else reading this post. But the net effect of turning off this foreign source of capital is a big deal to the citizens of Phnom Penh. That’s why I don’t think the crackdown will last. But who can say? This issue may have more to do with national pride than economics. Only time will tell. Too bad. Sad.[/QUOTE]It is more complex than that.
1. You might think that "honorable mongerers" contribute a lot of money to the economy. But thats not right. Cambodia is more dependent on the money from NGO's and Western governments. And those parties dont like what was going on in PP and because those parties are in the process of evaluating their support to Cambodia for next year (deadline end of September) the government decided to show them that they are dealing with the "problem".
2. Especially for street 136 a new luxe appartment hotel has been build there owned by Khmers with a good network and as the rumour goes those Kmers dont like the hostess bars there mainly visited by Barangs.
3. Cambodia is not Thailand. No US soldiers went overhere in the 70-ties to release their tension. Values are different. And if the bar owners try to stretch the limits too much they get into problems.
4. Not only hostess bars targetting for barangs are hit. Also FL's around What Phnom, brothels aiming for locals in several other cities are hit.
So IMHO it has all to do with economics on a macro level and nothing to do with national pride or economics on a micro level.
Will it last? Who knows?
By the way Snooky is not hit at the moment.
[QUOTE=Broko]It is more complex than that ... You might think that "honorable mongerers" contribute a lot of money to the economy. But thats not right. Cambodia is more dependent on the money from NGO's and Western governments. And those parties dont like what was going on in PP and because those parties are in the process of evaluating their support to Cambodia for next year (deadline end of September) the government decided to show them that they are dealing with the "problem".[/QUOTE]You make an excellent point Broko. While I think our team does make a sizable contribution to the local economy, it pales in comparison and influence to the currency and aid flowing from NGO's and 1st world Governments. This influence, although it is assumed to be well intentioned, many times backfires in lesser developed countries and only benefits the ruling elites.
We can only hope things get back to normal after the September deadline you mentioned.
Hi all,
I would like to inform all of you guys about the night life scence in Phnom Penh. Currently the hostes bars, pub and disco are running thier business as usual. As like a bounch street 104 (Rose bar, Zanzibar, 104bar.), 108street (golden wine bar, zapata bar.), 136 street (Palm Bar, 136 Bar, 69 Bar, Up and Down Bar.), Sharky's Bar, DV8, Mikado, Le Cyrce, Shang Hai, Walkabout and Matiny Bar. And also back to normal the brothels along 63street and 145street.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Sovanmee]Hi all,
I would like to inform all of you guys about the night life scence in Phnom Penh. Currently the hostes bars, pub and disco are running thier business as usual. As like a bounch street 104 (Rose bar, Zanzibar, 104bar.), 108street (golden wine bar, zapata bar.), 136 street (Palm Bar, 136 Bar, 69 Bar, Up and Down Bar.), Sharky's Bar, DV8, Mikado, Le Cyrce, Shang Hai, Walkabout and Matiny Bar. And also back to normal the brothels along 63street and 145street.
Cheers[/QUOTE]What is business as usual? Lapdancing again? Sexy dresses? Not closing at midnight? Tinted doors back?
Sure the bars are open.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]We can only hope things get back to normal after the September deadline you mentioned.[/QUOTE]Amen brother. I booked a trip for November some time ago so will be traveling to Cambodia whether mongering is readily available or not. There's plenty to see in the country but whether or not to return will be based partly on how enjoyable my nights are.
[quote=broko]it is more complex than that.
1. you might think that "honorable mongerers" contribute a lot of money to the economy. but thats not right. cambodia is more dependent on the money from ngo's and western governments. and those parties don't like what was going on in pp and because those parties are in the process of evaluating their support to cambodia for next year (deadline end of september) the government decided to show them that they are dealing with the "problem".
2. especially for street 136 a new luxe appartment hotel has been build there owned by khmers with a good network and as the rumour goes those kmers don't like the hostess bars there mainly visited by barangs.
3. cambodia is not thailand. no us soldiers went overhere in the 70-ties to release their tension. values are different. and if the bar owners try to stretch the limits too much they get into problems.
4. not only hostess bars targetting for barangs are hit. also fl's around what phnom, brothels aiming for locals in several other cities are hit.
so imho it has all to do with economics on a macro level and nothing to do with national pride or economics on a micro level.
will it last? who knows?
by the way snooky is not hit at the moment.[/quote]you re right on many point.
1 khmer don t appreciate barang bar scene, also entire part of phnom penh like the strip bar will be "erased". the economic slowdown has just stop temporary the mall project.
2) most of the bars owner are "new barang" few of them live in cambodia from more than 2 years, so they the strech the limt simply because they don t know the limits and the culture of the country
i will not follow on one point. if the khmer governement is very dependant of ngo money and international help (especially with the economic slowdown) the khmer government has no interest to solved the problem. if they solved the problem the money will not come anymore. yes like you said they show they treated the problem but in reality they "cultivated "the situation in their advantage. it s exactly the same with ngo. ngo volunteer is a job. a well paid job at 2000/3000 us dollars per month, with car, house. people from ngo has also no interest to see the end of the prostitution scene. simply because if the scene disappear, most of them will lost their good job.
so last events was a big show.organised by khmer government and ngo to impressed their donators
just a sentence from a khmer report movie "the paper cannot wraped embers " from the khmer producer rithy pahn.; a young hooker at "the building" had sister with infected by aids. and she got not support from ngo saying: "here ngo if you have aids. they don t give you medication, they just paid the coffin" coffin= look how many people die from aids in this poor country please donate
medications to cure aids= waste of money. how to show this to your donator for they give you more money? . useless.; a death people is more profitable.; simply ngo way of thinking.
[QUOTE=Sovanmee]Hi all,
And also back to normal the brothels along 63street and 145street.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
I think he meant 154st as I don't remember seeing any places on 145st last time.
[QUOTE=Broko] Living in Snooky [/QUOTE]
Hey Broko, Had to add this on this thread as I was unable to PM you.
since you're the man in Snooky, do you know if its possible now to rent motobikes in Snooky without having to get the Cambodian drivers licence, as I heard they will detain /heavy fine your rental bike without the license if stopped.
Friend of mine wanted to know as he plan to be there in early Nov. He's not a ISG member yet but I'm working on that.
PT
I have read this forum with a lot of interest for many years. I have also traveled to Cambodia many times during these years. My first trip to Cambodia was in 1993 and at that time the country was in turmoil from the Khmere Rouge activities that were in their final end stages. The country was crawling with UN troops at that time. Back then I did not have the ISG to guide me and I did not carouse the city to search for venues, I just asked the hotel person to get me a girl. They always brought them no problem. Then one of my friends who is Cambodian introduced me to some people who knew where to find girls. These were always some shacks near the edge of PP where a mama would have 3-4 girls available. Most of these were new fresh recruites so they were not very experienced or good at what they did.
I was able to meet the private secretary of Norodom Raddarith who was the Prime Minister at that time. He took me and my Cambodian friend on a tour of the countryside in Cambodia and one of the stops that we made, were to a river house that served as a restarant and brothel. It was a floating structure and there were two little rooms for doing the deed. Cost was .1 Girls were mostly Viet's. As we traveled through the countryside it was easy to see that girls were available at every town we came too and my Cambodian host was sure to point this out to me.
I have returned to Cambodia about every three years since that first visit and with the help of the ISG I have seen so many changes over time. One thing that I can say with confidence is that there will always be girls offered for sex there. Maybe the atmosphere will change as I have already seen it change from my first visit, but it will always be there. It is in the Cambodian culture and will never go away. This is also seen in most other Asian countries I have visited so it is a Asian thing and is firmly rooted in their society.
All things undergo change and so there should not be a surprise that this subject will also change. Some will like it as they found it when they first came there, and these individuals may be unhappy with the change. I also miss Sophies etc. but I still look for new places to get excited about. I have had a lot of fun with some beer girls, karoke girls and massage girls. I try to stay away from the regular monger hangouts because I have found them to be less that what I consider good hunting places. In these places, all of the girls know the drill and they all are adept at manipulating us in one way or another.
[QUOTE=Broko]What is business as usual? Lapdancing again? Sexy dresses? Not closing at midnight? Tinted doors back?
Sure the bars are open.[/QUOTE]I have seen tinted windows, but no lap dances, sexy dresses, and I don't know the time they close.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]In most of the hostess bars the number of girls has been slashed and it wasnt the fatter older uglier girls either. There are about 3 bars that have kept up the numbers of girls.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Shadow
It sounds like the police are saying "Prostitution is OK, just not in great quantity"
This is either...
a) A show of force to appease the NGO's
b) A way to drive up prices (by reducing supply).
[QUOTE=Water Boy]Thanks, Shadow
It sounds like the police are saying "Prostitution is OK, just not in great quantity"
This is either...
a) A show of force to appease the NGO's
b) A way to drive up prices (by reducing supply).[/QUOTE]
Must wonder how this has affected the local oriented places, both high and low end.
Still a lively scene in PP, I enjoy the Happy Man Bar and 136 Bar. There is a girl in 136 called Yen Ok she has a little too much around the waist but she enjoys sex just as much as she enjoys the money and will leave you exhusted in the morning.
Hello all,
I have gained and used wisdom from this board several times. This trip I will be in Phnom Penh for a week and thought I'd stay 4 nights at Flamingo then 4 nights more layback at L'Imprevu a bit out of town in Kien Svay. I can find info on the hotel but not what is nearby such as nightlife or friendly bars. I will be travelling alone but do not plan to stay alone. So does anyone know about L'Imprevu and the area?
Thanks for your help.
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Hey Broko, Had to add this on this thread as I was unable to PM you.
since you're the man in Snooky, do you know if its possible now to rent motobikes in Snooky without having to get the Cambodian drivers licence, as I heard they will detain /heavy fine your rental bike without the license if stopped.
Friend of mine wanted to know as he plan to be there in early Nov. He's not a ISG member yet but I'm working on that.
PT[/QUOTE]If you're from the U.S., for $15 and two 2"x2" passport photos you can get an international drivers license which is valid for 1 year and many countries including Cambodia. It's always a safe bet.
[url]http://www.aaa.com/vacation/idpapplc.html[/url]
If you're from another country, you could search Google to see if or where you can get one in your country. I'd assume it's available because the U.S. application says this before listing valid countries:
"Geographical Areas Which Honor International Driving Permits (Convention on Road Traffic, United Nations, Geneva 1949) as of January, 2009"
There is nothing around L'Imprevu. A very nice place to go out to on a hot day with a few girls for a swim, but as a place to stay by yourself I think you may regret it.
Thank you Shadow, that is exactly what I needed to know. I'll look for something similar but with areas of interest, maybe closer to town but a bit out of it.
Any suggestions?
Hi.
My info is somewhat sketchy.
I was in Sharkey last night sharing pickup venues with a fellow monger. He mention a place that begins with the letter "P" maybe Promogade2 not very sure. The girls coming there look very pretty.
Anyways, he mention This is strictly a Freelancer joint where the girls come in and always dress in a nice short dress. No jeans. They negotiate the price.
Prices can be had for $20-25 (but negotiable).
He said if you see a girl in Hearts wearing a nice dress, she probably came from this place earlier in the evening.
On a good weekend night there can be 40-50 Freelancers working there.
Unfortunately, I cannot remember the name but most motorbike drivers would know the place if mentioned.
Does anyone have an Idea?
Thanks.
TC.
It may be Pontoon.
[QUOTE=Native Humper]I have read this forum with a lot of interest for many years. I have also traveled to Cambodia many times during these years. My first trip to Cambodia was in 1993 and at that time the country was in turmoil from the Khmere Rouge activities that were in their final end stages. The country was crawling with UN troops at that time. Back then I did not have the ISG to guide me and I did not carouse the city to search for venues, I just asked the hotel person to get me a girl. They always brought them no problem. Then one of my friends who is Cambodian introduced me to some people who knew where to find girls. These were always some shacks near the edge of PP where a mama would have 3-4 girls available. Most of these were new fresh recruites so they were not very experienced or good at what they did.
I was able to meet the private secretary of Norodom Raddarith who was the Prime Minister at that time. He took me and my Cambodian friend on a tour of the countryside in Cambodia and one of the stops that we made, were to a river house that served as a restarant and brothel. It was a floating structure and there were two little rooms for doing the deed. Cost was .1 Girls were mostly Viet's. As we traveled through the countryside it was easy to see that girls were available at every town we came too and my Cambodian host was sure to point this out to me.
I have returned to Cambodia about every three years since that first visit and with the help of the ISG I have seen so many changes over time. One thing that I can say with confidence is that there will always be girls offered for sex there. Maybe the atmosphere will change as I have already seen it change from my first visit, but it will always be there. It is in the Cambodian culture and will never go away. This is also seen in most other Asian countries I have visited so it is a Asian thing and is firmly rooted in their society.
All things undergo change and so there should not be a surprise that this subject will also change. Some will like it as they found it when they first came there, and these individuals may be unhappy with the change. I also miss Sophies etc. but I still look for new places to get excited about. I have had a lot of fun with some beer girls, karoke girls and massage girls. I try to stay away from the regular monger hangouts because I have found them to be less that what I consider good hunting places. In these places, all of the girls know the drill and they all are adept at manipulating us in one way or another.[/QUOTE]Nice report,
I will just said that Cambodian scene in phnom penh and siem reap and others town has change mainly under the influence of NGO, and after with the flux of farang from Thailand (more thai style bar and less brothels, negative girls attitude, more greedy cops asking for tea money)
The scene in Thailand has not change so much compare with Cambodia. In my case, like you, I don't care because I go to bar for meeting people, not for taking girl. The old mongering scene has not totally disappear.
Ps just think about your chance to meet and became friend with high rank civil servant now?
Just read this (take from free and excellent bayon pearnik magazine) and you will undertand why now barang scene are clearly targeted for more money of course, but also for lack of connection inside politician and army, barang customers are too precious, so nothing against them for the moment
[quote]Bar owners please read the two Cambodian Laws below: Law on Suppression of the Kidnapping and Trafficking of Hu m a and P e are s o and s a and d Exploitation of Human Persons. Article. 4.. Shall be deemed to be a brothel. Keeper or a pimp whoever:
Assists or p rotects one or many persons, by whatever means, with knowledge before the assistance or protection, of the prostitution of that person or persons, or solicits clients for him/her or them for the purpose of prostitution; or regularly shares the profits derived from the prostitution, in whatever form; or trains or coaxes, by whatever means, a male or female to engage in prostitution; or 4- Acts as a middleman, in whatever form, establishing contacts between male/ female prostitutes and the brothelkeeper or the provider of profit for the prostitution of other persons; or allows a make or females to live at his/her house or any other place for the purpose of engaging him/her in prostitution for his/her profit.
Art I CL e. 7.. Whoever establishes a place to commit an immoral or obscene act shall be punished from 1 to 5 years impri sonment and from 5, 000, 000 (five million riels) to 30, 000, 000 (thirty million riels) fines. In case of repeated offense, the punishment shall be doubled.[/quote]So what does obscene mean? Anything the cops want it to be (sexy dancing).
Barfines come under profits derived from prostitution. Make sure girls have ID's and are real.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]It may be Pontoon.[/QUOTE]
Does his description fit? I'm a some time visitor to PP -- this is a new one to me. Can you tell us more about it? Maybe compare it to another place, such as Martini. (and where is it? sounds like it must be on the river, judging by the name)
Jeez, if some guy in Sharky told me about a place like that, I'd write the dang name down and find out where it was before he had a chance to have a heart attack or something. Actually, I'd probably finish my beer and head right over there. Male bonding's great but... 50 freelancers at low prices: "nice to meet you... we'll do lunch. Seeya."
btw I don't know anything about the area aound L'Imprevu (I actually don't even know where it is). Where did you find out about it? Tripadvisor? No photos there. Would be interested to see what the place looks like. I noticed on Tripadvisor there was one person who complained about how the staff turn a blind eye to men accompanied by local ladies. They seemed bothered by that, whereas I can imagine you read that and thought "Wow! Great!" ;-)
[QUOTE=Wendella]btw I don't know anything about the area aound L'Imprevu (I actually don't even know where it is). Where did you find out about it? Tripadvisor? No photos there. Would be interested to see what the place looks like. I noticed on Tripadvisor there was one person who complained about how the staff turn a blind eye to men accompanied by local ladies. They seemed bothered by that, whereas I can imagine you read that and thought "Wow! Great!" ;-)[/QUOTE]I did originally read about it in TripAdviser and then googled it. Some good reports and a nice website but they haven't replied. No surprise there. It's about 7km out on National Highway One. If that's not the correct name I hope you know which one I mean.
The description doesnt really fit otherwise you would have heard about it before. The bar with dancing that starts with P that bit fits.
Pontoon is a floating bar at the end of street 108 it does have dancing and music and there is the odd freelancer there. Not a place I would go to find girls though.
As for L Imprevu it is 7km past the Monivong bridge on route 1 the highway to Vietnam. There is nothing around it but a few other swimming type resorts and beer gardens. In total it is about 11km out of town on a really bad and busy road so it takes quite a long time to get there.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]The description doesnt really fit otherwise you would have heard about it before. The bar with dancing that starts with P that bit fits.
Pontoon is a floating bar at the end of street 108 it does have dancing and music and there is the odd freelancer there. Not a place I would go to find girls though.[/QUOTE]
So the guy at Sharky was talking crap, then, eh?
Sounds like L'Imprevu isn't a place for me. That's really far.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]It may be Pontoon.[/QUOTE]
That sounds like the place. He did invite me to go with him last week, but I had other plans. He seem to be firm on his statement the place can fill up with girls on weekends. Just to look for something new, I will take a peak there this coming Saturday and see if it's worth his hype.
Thanks
TC.
I agree it may fill up with girls (and guys) dancing, but freelancers looking for barang customers is not its main stay.
You could say that DarkRoom, Orange Club or Riverside Lounge are the same. Yes they have hostess girls that go there after work and some freelancers but the girls go there to have fun on their days off or with friends to pick up Khmer boyfriends.
I have been to these places with hostess bar girls when one of them is having a birthday party or similar.
At all of the above places it is possible to find working girls just dont assume that they are all working.
[QUOTE=Wendella]So the guy at Sharky was talking crap, then, eh?
Sounds like L'Imprevu isn't a place for me. That's really far.[/QUOTE]Maybe it was Friday or Saturday when Pontoon was busy.
As for L Imprevu it is 7km past the Monivong bridge on route 1 the highway to Vietnam. There is nothing around it but a few other swimming type resorts and beer gardens. In total it is about 11km out of town on a really bad and busy road so it takes quite a long time to get there.[/QUOTE]I think.You did not know this site for sure. There were couple of good places around. As like flooting restaurants+LADIES and Kien Svay"s brothels.There are pretty girls waitting for you guys. These places good during the day.
[QUOTE=Sovanmee]As like flooting restaurants+LADIES and Kien Svay"s brothels.There are pretty girls waitting for you guys. These places good during the day.[/QUOTE]Hey Sovanmee,
I tried to send a private message to you. It did not go through. Turn on your private messaging. Anyway, I would like to know more about Kien Svay. Also what do you know about Kampot.
[QUOTE=Sovanmee]As for L Imprevu it is 7km past the Monivong bridge on route 1 the highway to Vietnam. There is nothing around it but a few other swimming type resorts and beer gardens. In total it is about 11km out of town on a really bad and busy road so it takes quite a long time to get there.[/QUOTE]I think.You did not know this site for sure. There were couple of good places around. As like flooting restaurants+LADIES and Kien Svay"s brothels.There are pretty girls waitting for you guys. These places good during the day.
A recent add for Pontoon.
Cambodia's First and Only Gay Club Night. Every Thursday at Pontoon (Floating Night Club on the Tonle Sap River) Sisowath Quay, The Riverside , Opposite Street 108, The Night Market.
Come and join in the fun!! Don't be shy, if you are a man and you are looking for a handsome sexy man or boy then come and meet the romantic friendly sexy guys and Dance! Dance! Dance!
Western Style Club Nite with International DJs (DJ Rob, Anita Bong-hit and Frida Blackman) spinning Upbeat Sensual House.
New Live shows performed weekly by the best Drag Queens Phnom Penh has to offer Gege, JoJo and Say Say. With occasional Male Erotic dancers raising the temperature to melting point.
Cruisy, Friendly and busy. Get there early.
Lesbians especially welcome......
Doors 9pm until late. Outrageous Live show 11pm. Khmer crowd generally leaves for bed around midnight (it's a work day) which leaves the floor to the Western crowd. So if its a sexy Asian man or a you're after, or a Lesbian Khmer hottie, best get there early.
Permanant Weekly Drink Promos: Asahi Beer $1.25, Vodka+Mixer $1.25, Gin+Mixer $1.25[ /color]
Promogade 2?
WTF.
Over two years in PP and I've never heard of it.
Pontoon does have freelancers always but not big numbers.
However with the recent crackdown freelancers have appeared at the gym bar and reggae bar so who knows now.
Limprevu is not far but a **** of a place to get too and why would you stay out there.
French proprieter killed by his securirty guard with a matchete a few years ago! Gurad was probably bored I would be.
Pontoon and riverhouse full of trendy rich khmers, if one is not a local could be dangerous talking to girls there-boyfriends may be tooled up.
Some call RH pistol whipping central.
Few months ago khmer rich thug produced an UZi there, US special forces guy there him down the stairs-get the picture?
[QUOTE=Sovanmee]As for L Imprevu it is 7km past the Monivong bridge on route 1 the highway to Vietnam. There is nothing around it but a few other swimming type resorts and beer gardens. In total it is about 11km out of town on a really bad and busy road so it takes quite a long time to get there.[/QUOTE]I think.You did not know this site for sure. There were couple of good places around. As like flooting restaurants+LADIES and Kien Svay"s brothels.There are pretty girls waitting for you guys. These places good during the day.[/QUOTE]Kien svay have been in action for a while. I go there during my first trip in 2002. Kien svay is a khmer family place the week end. So don t go there the week end. It was also never a place like km11, never. Also english speaking was virtualy non existent. And the restaurant had the reputation to badly overcharge barang. Like surchage for plate, surcharge for tissue. They have a lot of imagination. But the place is very nice and relaxing
Kien svay girls was all khmer, no viet. And girls was very shy with barang
All and all I you re not a long term resident don t go there alone. Go with khmer friend to avoid problems
L'imprevu is wasting time excepted if you go with your family. Ever if in the past people had pretended it was a brothel place.
After weeks of hearing nothing but bad news from Phnom Penh I changed my travel plans. Seems I have accumulated a lot of Marriott reward points (thank you Amsterdam) and when I applied these points to the already discounted rates offered, my out of pocket cost for staying at the Pattaya Marriott Resort and Spa comes to less than $50/day for 11 days. Total. So I will taxi down to Pattaya, spend 5 days at the Spa, then rent a car & drive over the Ko Chang for 3 days, then return to Pattaya for 6 days before taxing back to BKK. It looks like it's going to be a fuck fest!
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]staying at the Pattaya Marriott Resort and Spa .. It looks like it's going to be a fuck fest![/QUOTE]I realize that pretty much every hotel is GF in Pattaya - but the Marriotts and Sheratons in SE Asia generally are not. Assume you've checked with other mongerers?
[QUOTE=RonnieMonger]I realize that pretty much every hotel is GF in Pattaya. But the Marriotts and Sheratons in SE Asia generally are not. Assume you've checked with other mongerers? [/QUOTE]First I have to say how sad it is that we are talking about girl friendly hotels in Pattaya on the Phnom Penh thread. I hope PP comes back to life. I really enjoyed my time there. The girls treated me right.
Now to the question you raised.. Yes I have assiduously read through the Pattaya thread and the Marriott is always placed in the girl friendly column (no joiner fees). Some sample reports:
From Bonzo1
"The Marriott was excellent, and so I'm going to vote there."
From Ranger775
"First off, a quick update. On my last trip to Pattaya, I stayed at the Marriott and can confirm they have no problem with guests. In fact, because I had a repeat guest on consecutive nights, the security guard/front desk let her up to my room w/o having to give id. In addition, the hotel has a great breakfast, good clean room, expensive internet, ok bathroom, and the balcony was nice too. Location was perfect as it is in the middle of everything yet with all the trees around it, it does have secluded feeling".
There is a great list of GF & non GF (joiner fee) Pattaya hotels in the thread. Use the search engine to find it.
The reason why I chose the Marriott was 1. GF (a necessity), 2. Nice grounds/pool area to relax in. 3. Location Location Location, and 4. I got a sweet deal using my Marriott reward points. There are lots of other options in town.
As to the question of other SE Asia GF hotels; I believe the Bangkok Marriott if GF too, but I can't be certain. I stayed there for one night but did not bring any guests back with me. Marriott Cebu is GF and also Manila Renaissance. I believe the Westin BKK is also GF.
My trip to Pattaya is my backup trip. I originally planned on going to Phnom Penh and then checking out Kampot and Kep for a few days. Instead I will check out Ko Chang. I have never been to Ko Chang. I know they have some bars so there must be something going on. It is Thailand for God's sake. I will make a report on what I find in the appropriate threads when I return.
Again, I wish the girls of Cambodia all my love and hope everything gets back to normal as soon as possible.
[QUOTE=RonnieMonger] but the Marriotts and Sheratons in SE Asia generally are not.[/QUOTE]
Sharaton I can't say, and about Marriotts.
I know Marriott in Putrajaya, Kuala Lumpur and the Renaissance in Kuala Lumpur which belongs also to the Mariott group.
All absolutely girlfriendly.
Greetings!
Hi guys,
I'm looking for a GF hotel in PP.
My company is paying, so no real limit.
Can you help me?
I saw on internet:
FCC, Raffles, Boddhi Tree Aram, Pavilion, Intercontinental, Billabong
Any information?
Thanks
[QUOTE=RonnieMonger]I realize that pretty much every hotel is GF in Pattaya - but the Marriotts and Sheratons in SE Asia generally are not. Assume you've checked with other mongerers?[/QUOTE]There are Hotels where you have to pay 600TBH to bring a guest, so yes please check the Hotel you stay at or alway`s book into a guest house.
[QUOTE=Iching]There are Hotels where you have to pay 600TBH to bring a guest, so yes please check the Hotel you stay at or alway`s book into a guest house.[/QUOTE]
Please note that some of the GH are not GF. They have early lock the front gate policy (like 10pm) so they could screen who you bring back and make a stink about it. If this happens, since GH prices are often cheap just checkout and walk down the street to another GH--from personal experiences.
PT
[QUOTE=Senso08]Hi guys,
I'm looking for a GF hotel in PP.
My company is paying, so no real limit.
Can you help me?
I saw on internet:
FCC, Raffles, Boddhi Tree Aram, Pavilion, Intercontinental, Billabong
Any information?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Phnom Penh International, very nice bussiness type hotel yet is still very gf. Raffles is just too expensive. Intercontinental is a fair way out, Billabong not GF.
[QUOTE=Senso08]Hi guys,
I'm looking for a GF hotel in PP.
My company is paying, so no real limit.
Can you help me?
I saw on internet:
FCC, Raffles, Boddhi Tree Aram, Pavilion, Intercontinental, Billabong
Any information?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Go to Naga Casino hotel. It is $120/night. Real nice star hotel. No problem with any number of girls. security is real toght. You can see some girls hanging around also.
They do have a kind of dress policy. Make sure the girl is decently dressed.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Phnom Penh International, very nice bussiness type hotel yet is still very gf. Raffles is just too expensive. Intercontinental is a fair way out, Billabong not GF.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about Holiday PP International?
Do you have the address?
Which places to you recommend to pick up girls now? (I'll only have one or two nights, so no waste of time is allowed!
Inter-CONTINENTAL is quite a ways away down at the corner of what as I remember is Mao Tse Tung and Moniveth. Go google Cambodia Yellow pages and look them up - there's an on-line map in the yellow pages as well. (grid H-10 - map shows it as INTER-CONTINENTAL HOTEL, listing says "intercontinental, Phnom Pehn")
296 Boulevard Mao Tse Toung
Phnom Pehn, 2288, Cambodia
+855 23 424 888
Way past the stadium and lower left hand on the telephone map. Nice place but $$ four star or five star.
I agree that Naga is on a par and is closer to the action. BUT Naga has he casino and they are a bit FUSSY about the ASIAN clientele - any barang with the money can walk in though.
[QUOTE=Dinghy]Inter-CONTINENTAL is quite a ways away down at the corner of what as I remember is Mao Tse Tung and Moniveth. Go google Cambodia Yellow pages and look them up - there's an on-line map in the yellow pages as well. (grid H-10 - map shows it as INTER-CONTINENTAL HOTEL, listing says "intercontinental, Phnom Pehn")
296 Boulevard Mao Tse Toung
Phnom Pehn, 2288, Cambodia
+855 23 424 888
Way past the stadium and lower left hand on the telephone map. Nice place but $$ four star or five star.
I agree that Naga is on a par and is closer to the action. BUT Naga has he casino and they are a bit FUSSY about the ASIAN clientele - any barang with the money can walk in though.[/QUOTE]
It is a well known fact that asians are big gamblers than barangs. You will see very few white men in Naga. The whole thing is geared towards chinese,korean and japanese gamblers.
[QUOTE=Sammon]It is a well known fact that asians are big gamblers than barangs.[/QUOTE]Hang about, mate. That's Ozzie slander! See [url]www.gambling911.com/gambling-news/australians-are-biggest-gamblers-world-032609.html[/url] (and check out that sexy photo!).
well - I DO have to admit that I was one of very FEW non-asian faces in NAGA. Dressed "down" (like a hobo) but with a few hundred in my wallet - they didn't CARE (the food in the buffet was pretty good, too).
It was pretty much the same in Snooky, too. Played at the "holiday" on the beach. only 1 or 2 other non-asians in there, too.
Of course, most barang have other interests... so do I but there was a bit of time to kill
Hey guys,
I just joined in this forum. And its nice here. So many info. :D
I'm going to fly to Phnom Penh soon and would like to check whether Sophie's Club is still safe for barang to visit? And also if you can give approximate charge too? The last time was around 20 - 25 USD for the girls.
Cheers & really appreciate you guide!
Unfortunitely, No more Sophie and No more the Blo Job in PP.
Cheers
Any update on current situation in the bars. Any fun to be had or is it all doom and gloom still?
Thanks
CT
I am apologize.
I would like to say. It is no more Sophie's bar and no more blow job bar in PP. But exitement thing are still posible.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Chaos Theory]Any update on current situation in the bars. Any fun to be had or is it all doom and gloom still?
Thanks
CT[/QUOTE]
I dont visit the brothels or Sharky or Martini. But I was a couple of days ago in PP and visited some bars. Cyrcee alive and kicking. Bars on street 104, 108 and 136 are slowly getting back to normal practice but still afraid for the police raids.
The closed bars (Cheerleaders, Bleu Lagoon, Iris) are still closed. The owners had enjoyed the hospitality of the police for a couple of days and one of them told we that he wont reopen shortly coz the climate is not right yet.
The two times I was in Walkabout last week there seems to be more ladies than ever in the afternoon. I dont visit that place in the evening.
So dont worry, enough bars to have a good time in and select a lady for some more pleasure in your room.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Phnom Penh International, very nice bussiness type hotel yet is still very gf. Raffles is just too expensive. Intercontinental is a fair way out, Billabong not GF.[/QUOTE]Thanks!
Are you talking about Phnom Penh Hotel, 53 Monivong Bvd?
If not possible, do you recommend another GF one?
[QUOTE=Sovanmee]I am apologize.
I would like to say. It is no more Sophie's bar and no more blow job bar in PP. But exitement thing are still posible.
Cheers[/QUOTE]Hi Sovan,
I tried to contact you as I'm coming to Phnom Penh and want to use your driving service, but cannot send you private message. Is there any other way I can contact you? Mobile?
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[QUOTE=Ekspat]Sharaton I can't say, and about Marriotts.
I know Marriott in Putrajaya, Kuala Lumpur and the Renaissance in Kuala Lumpur which belongs also to the Mariott group.
All absolutely girlfriendly.
Greetings![/QUOTE]Marriott in Cebu very GF and the Sheraton in Addis Ababa is as well, haha.
One is Asian located.
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Based on my experiences over past couple of nights 104/136 bars still operating.
Bit more low key but still lots of fun to be had on site and take home.
CT
I believe that holiday international is one of the undiscovered gems.
Most guests are asians and the disco is full of viets.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]I believe that holiday international is one of the undiscovered gems.
Most guests are asians and the disco is full of viets.[/QUOTE]You mean Holiday Inn is GF?
Is it in the center of PP, not far from the action?
[QUOTE=Senso08]You mean Holiday Inn is GF?
Is it in the center of PP, not far from the action?[/QUOTE]
Yes the Holiday Inn is in the center of Phnom Penh, which is where all the action is. It's next door to the Howard Johnson's, and across the street from the International House of Pancakes. I recommend the Happy Pancake. ;)
[QUOTE=Wendella]Yes the Holiday Inn is in the center of Phnom Penh, which is where all the action is. It's next door to the Howard Johnson's, and across the street from the International House of Pancakes. I recommend the Happy Pancake. ;)[/QUOTE]I don't think Phil Istine is talking about Holiday Inn. He clearly speak of Holyday International, St. 84, Monivong Blvd. ( [url]http://www.holidayhotelcambodia.com[/url] ) Or is it same hotel we're talking about?
I would like to hear more about the disco in HI. Planning another trip to PNH next week.
[QUOTE=Senso08]Thanks!
Are you talking about Phnom Penh Hotel, 53 Monivong Bvd?
If not possible, do you recommend another GF one?[/QUOTE]
Yes that is the hotel the rates are about $60 a night or $80 for the VIP floors.
[QUOTE=Northern Axe]I don't think Phil Istine is talking about Holiday Inn. He clearly speak of Holyday International, St. 84, Monivong Blvd. ( [url]http://www.holidayhotelcambodia.com[/url] ) Or is it same hotel we're talking about?
I would like to hear more about the disco in HI. Planning another trip to PNH next week.[/QUOTE]
No he's not. I know. My post was complete baloney, a joke. Hence the ;). Holiday Inn is a very well known chain of 'motels' in the US, kind of the McDonald's of motels. And Howard Johnson's and the International House of Pancakes are well known chain restaurants, similar to "Denny's". The action is not all in the center, and as far as I know there are no happy pancakes (tho I wouldnt' be surprised at all if I was wrong about that).
The hotel and disco he's talking about have been around forever, it's one of those discos that opens, closes, opens, closes and always seems to have serious trouble happening from time to time (drugs, shooting deaths, etc.) The times I've been there, it's always been a pretty tough scene to crack. It's not obvious enough who's there to work, who's there to play, who belongs to who (always good to find this out in PP, see above). It's too dark to get a decent look at anyone, and the music is too loud to talk to them.
I sure hope that's not the best option in PP these days.
I've never been to the holiday international but i believe that they have a great pool and lots of viets.
Patrons are almost all asians,place is singapore owned.
Mate used to be security manager there.
Casino closed but disco open,khmer discos always too dark and too noisy for me.
Went to the sok san in siem riep on flood night last week,bloody dark and noisy.
[QUOTE=Wendella]...and as far as I know there are no happy pancakes [/QUOTE]Now you made me real sad. I was (i AM serious) really looking forward to a happy pancake-breakfast.
Anyway, tnx for the info. It didn't even put me totally off becasue I'm still thinking of what Phil said about the disco full with Vietnamese.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Yes that is the hotel the rates are about $60 a night or $80 for the VIP floors.[/QUOTE]Thanks , I know this hotel but I did not think it was GF.
Where do you suggest to pick up girls (I only have two nights)?
Spent five wonderful days in Phnom Penh recently. Stayed at the Walkabout, not every-bodies choice hotel, but ideal if you want a high turnover of activity with the lovely, sexy, beautiful chickens at $15 ST a shot. You can fuck away to your hearts content and exhaustion. The only dampener on the trip was the rain, it absolutely buckets down gentlemen. So heavy was the weather on arrival our landing was aborted at the last, i must say i was fairly comfortable, the pilot skills were excellent, courtesy Air Asia.
I averaged about three honeys a day, the heat and sightseeing activity aside. Must say on the bar scene front, all appeared very quiet, i did not take out, each bar i went to on st136 had several patrons. It would appear tourism is really low, add to this the recent raids by LE. There is quite a bit of daytime activity to be had, shooting range for one,naturally taxi drivers/tour guides will be suggestive. Or you can do what i did and while away the day on the waterfront restaurants, gaze out of the Tonle Sap, sucking away at the Angor draft and chatting to friendly chicks. I did not have time to cultivate any close friendship, i would just move on, plus, this is not my style to get too close. For the artistic, there is Art st, five min walk from Walkabout. I visited the killing fields of course. The perspiration was pouring off me just standing still at the memorial, lead me to think what the poor souls must have gone through there during the height of cruelty.
Back to the chicks. Had a lot of fun, i was at ease, just allowing the girls to mosey up to me at their choosing. All very friendly and lovable dolls. Mostly took ST time, on two occasions had a LT. One thing i noticed at the Walkabout, as soon as i paid the chick she would disappear into the distance not to be seen for a day or two. A couple of occasions i did not see the chick for the remainder of my stay. The Walkabout is the ideal base for high turnover fucking. Plonk your ass on the bar stool with your Angor draft and the chickens will come to you.
The food standard is pretty good, i enjoy my greens, finding food in most places i have travelled has proved to be a headache, not in Phnom Penh though, food is plentiful and healthy. Angor draft is an agreeable beer. I prefer to stroll around when i travel, never felt threatened in any way, day or night. Lot of Aussie fellas about, understandably, they are nice sporty fellas, i enjoyed the chit chat gentlemen. Thank you for your hospitality Phnom Penh. I did not take photos of chicks, plan to return shortly so we do not need to shit on our own doorstep. Would have been risky and silly of me.
[QUOTE=Noddy]Spent five wonderful days in Phnom Penh recently. Stayed at the Walkabout, not every-bodies choice hotel, but ideal if you want a high turnover of activity with the lovely, sexy, beautiful chickens at $15 ST a shot. You can fuck away to your hearts content and exhaustion. The only dampener on the trip was the rain, it absolutely buckets down gentlemen. So heavy was the weather on arrival our landing was aborted at the last, i must say i was fairly comfortable, the pilot skills were excellent, courtesy Air Asia.
I averaged about three honeys a day, the heat and sightseeing activity aside. Must say on the bar scene front, all appeared very quiet, i did not take out, each bar i went to on st136 had several patrons. It would appear tourism is really low, add to this the recent raids by LE. There is quite a bit of daytime activity to be had, shooting range for one,naturally taxi drivers/tour guides will be suggestive. Or you can do what i did and while away the day on the waterfront restaurants, gaze out of the Tonle Sap, sucking away at the Angor draft and chatting to friendly chicks. I did not have time to cultivate any close friendship, i would just move on, plus, this is not my style to get too close. For the artistic, there is Art st, five min walk from Walkabout. I visited the killing fields of course. The perspiration was pouring off me just standing still at the memorial, lead me to think what the poor souls must have gone through there during the height of cruelty.
Back to the chicks. Had a lot of fun, i was at ease, just allowing the girls to mosey up to me at their choosing. All very friendly and lovable dolls. Mostly took ST time, on two occasions had a LT. One thing i noticed at the Walkabout, as soon as i paid the chick she would disappear into the distance not to be seen for a day or two. A couple of occasions i did not see the chick for the remainder of my stay. The Walkabout is the ideal base for high turnover fucking. Plonk your ass on the bar stool with your Angor draft and the chickens will come to you.
The food standard is pretty good, i enjoy my greens, finding food in most places i have travelled has proved to be a headache, not in Phnom Penh though, food is plentiful and healthy. Angor draft is an agreeable beer. I prefer to stroll around when i travel, never felt threatened in any way, day or night. Lot of Aussie fellas about, understandably, they are nice sporty fellas, i enjoyed the chit chat gentlemen. Thank you for your hospitality Phnom Penh. I did not take photos of chicks, plan to return shortly so we do not need to shit on our own doorstep. Would have been risky and silly of me.[/QUOTE]Its nice to hear a monger enjoying himself in Phnom Penh. Walkabouts is a funny place, if you look for it you don`t get anywhere but if you sit down then someone will come to you. great report.
[QUOTE=Noddy]Spent five wonderful days in Phnom Penh recently.[/QUOTE]Funny, I just spent four days there last week and had nothing but bad luck -- really mediocre talent, scams, etc. Just proves it's the luck of the draw, I guess.
[QUOTE=Betong]Funny, I just spent four days there last week and had nothing but bad luck.- really mediocre talent, scams, etc. Just proves it's the luck of the draw, I guess.[/QUOTE]Or. If you in a rotten job here in London, don't get to travel often enough, one would surely enjoy even mediocre talent, being somewhat deprived will change your perspective. Scams aside, don't really allow myself to be bothered about people when I'm enjoying myself.
Personally, wherever I go, I have no altenative but to enjoy whatever wonders my way.
On a humourous note, I loved the way motor bike riders will not stop when instructed to do so by foot police. I roared with laughter, especially when a chick did a ride away as if the cop were not there.
Also, the poole table at the Walkabout is the domain of the chicks. It is quite amusing to see them argueing over the poole table, is this not male behaviour. The table is unusally free, doubt I have seen this done anywhere before. Nice touch. Walkabout.
[QUOTE=Noddy]On a humourous note, i loved the way motor bike riders will not stop when instructed to do so by foot police. I roared with laughter, especially when a chick did a ride away as if the cop were not there:D[/QUOTE]I was on the back of a moto once and the police tried to stop us. My driver slapped the guy and we sped off with the police trying to drag me off the back. Just made it clear. I ask the driver WTF? He says "$1, he want $1. I say no!"
Will be there for a few weeks and plan to hit all the places mentioned here.
If anyone wants to know the latest on any of their favorite hangouts then please let me know.
Will be posting a great write up soon.
[QUOTE=Asianpussylover]Will be there for a few weeks and plan to hit all the places mentioned here.
If anyone wants to know the latest on any of their favorite hangouts then please let me know.
Will be posting a great write up soon.[/QUOTE]
Anything on the chicken houses would be great!
[QUOTE=D Cups]Has anyone seen any busty beauties in PP? I know, I know Asians are not known for this but it is my fetish. Gotta have the boobs, man! If anyone has seen any slim and stacked, bolted or not, could you kindly let me know? I'm planning a trip there. Thanks![/QUOTE]
Sorry to disappoint, but PP is not known for busty ladies as majority of providers here have A cups maybe a B+ cup but C cups and up are a rare sight as most Viets tend to be on the tiny/ thin side with "average asian boobs"-if you know what I mean.
What makes it worse when you think you see a busty girl, it could be an illusion as many now wear those feared "push up-enhance the bust look bras"
They can be found but rare in PP and if your time is limited in PP not worth wasting time seeking a rare thing, just go with the flow.
Shark
[QUOTE=D Cups]Has anyone seen any busty beauties in PP? I know, I know Asians are not known for this but it is my fetish. Gotta have the boobs, man! If anyone has seen any slim and stacked, bolted or not, could you kindly let me know? I'm planning a trip there. Thanks![/QUOTE]
From what I've seen, and I've never been in Cambodia more than a month, the Khmer girls there are generally chestier than ones in Vietnam or Thailand. I've had a few who were pretty big there in PP, always Khmers, though nothing that would qualify as big in the west. More like 'actual breasts' as opposed to the miniature ones in VN and Thailand. Khmer girls are darker skinned, usually rounder eyes than Vietnamese.
[QUOTE=Wendella]From what I've seen, and I've never been in Cambodia more than a month, the Khmer girls there are generally chestier than ones in Vietnam or Thailand. I've had a few who were pretty big there in PP, always Khmers, though nothing that would qualify as big in the west. More like 'actual breasts' as opposed to the miniature ones in VN and Thailand. Khmer girls are darker skinned, usually rounder eyes than Vietnamese.[/QUOTE]Philippine woman are known to be large in the chest area. while im here doe`s anyone know of the new california2 which has opened on the river front in Phnom Penh.
[QUOTE=while im here doe`s anyone know of the new california2 which has opened on the river front in Phnom Penh.[/QUOTE]
Has Jim opened a new hotel??
AR
[QUOTE=AncientFornicatr]Has Jim opened a new hotel?
AR[/QUOTE]Jims rumoured to have opened a new place.
I'll be going to PP soon so I'll go down Sharky's and find out.
Yes he has. See the website of sharkys for details.
Cali 2 opened this week,very big turnout on the night.
Jim says that he has ten rooms from 25 to 35 bucks.
Building is the old wooly rhino north of st 104,bar looks nice
Me and and friend have been to Phnom Pehn a couple times but we have never been to Vietnam before, he is Canadian and I am American.
In December we want to go from Bangkok to Phnom Pehn about 5 days, then fly to HMC, also know as Saigon. He is sometimes picky about not wanting to take a bus though.
All the flights from Cambodia to Vietnam were expensive, more than $400 USD.
Any flight recommendations? I can fly from Bangkok to Phnom Pehn for about $80 USD one way. Not much more to fly from Bangkok to HMC.
But Phnom Pehn to HMC is a ridicoulous price. After my trip in Asia I need to take a one way flight to the US. So I was going to fly from HMC to the US because it was cheap.
Can you guys give me some travel advice to go from Phnom Pehn to Saigon?
I'll ask on the Vietnam forum too.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Gagoo]All the flights from Cambodia to Vietnam were expensive, more than $400 USD.
Can you guys give me some travel advice to go from Phnom Pehn to Saigon?[/QUOTE]Take a bus, it is pittance compared to high season airfares. What is 6 to 10 hours on a bus, your day is lost even if you fly. Next Cambo trip i have this in mind. On the waterfront, Tonley Sap, you can buy tickets, $20+ i forget the rate exactly.
If you don't want to sit on the bus for 2 days (there and back) you may want to consider flying to SGN from BKK.
Air Asia will cost you some 3850 THB or under 120 USD.
That is what I am going to do
Why don't you consider taking a bus?
Capitol, Narin, Sorya and sevral other companies do the trip for a fraction of the flight-fare.
You can buy bus tickets (Sorya) from Phnom Penh to Ho Chi Minh City for $10. It takes six hours. I know, part of my business is selling bus tickets in Phnom Penh. The buses are comfortable with air-con...no chickens, no goats, no having to sit on the roof.
[QUOTE=Roguesta]You can buy bus tickets (Sorya) from Phnom Penh to Ho Chi Minh City for $10. It takes six hours. I know, part of my business is selling bus tickets in Phnom Penh. The buses are comfortable with air-con...no chickens, no goats, no having to sit on the roof.[/QUOTE]
Thanks guys, I think I'll be taking the bus. My friend said he didn't mind.
But what about the Visa? Will it be ok to use out visa by crossing over the border by land? Can we apply for the visa in Phnom Pehn? My friend thinks it's better to get the visa from Thailand.
Honestly, I did have the chickens in the bus visions in my mind. I took a train in Thailand once. On the way from Bangkok to Burriam it was just fine and great. On the way back I could only catch the low priced train. I had to stand many hours until a seat opened up and there were chickens and animals and people walking by selling smelly things. It was a horrible... 8 hours if I remember right
Thanks again
[QUOTE=Gagoo]Thanks guys, I think I'll be taking the bus. My friend said he didn't mind.
But what about the Visa? Will it be ok to use out visa by crossing over the border by land? Can we apply for the visa in Phnom Pehn? My friend thinks it's better to get the visa from Thailand.
[/QUOTE]
I just answer your question about the bus in the Viet thread but notice you didn't include the visa question there, so I'll answer it here for you.
If you hold an American passport( or for most foreign passports), then you must get the Viet. visa in advance as only locals from several asian countries do not need visas or could get them at the border. If you do not have the Viet visa, you will be turned back at the border-- not a good thing.
Forget about Thailand, as it is much easier and quicker to get the Viet visa in PP. There are 2 ways to get the visa.
1) go to the Viet embassy yourself and apply for the visa, usually drop off today and pick up tomorrow (or even same day if things are slow at the embassy)
2) just go to any travel agent office you see (or even ask at your hotel if they will process Viet visa) the cost will be the same or even cheaper by a few dollars--don't know why though? as going to Viet embassy yourself but this way will save on the RT moto cost and time.
Timing is about the same, drop off today and pick up tomorrow.
PT
The Sorya bus station is less than a block from the southwest corner of Central Market.
Had a couple of days in Phnom Penh recently. As I was with company, I could not head out to the lady bars at will. So confined myself to places I could remember with quick and easy access to the old pnp.
Luxury World hotel has a massage place upstairs where you can pick from several nationalities - see previous descriptions by other posters. Picked a Khmer who has nice figure for regular massage $5. (VIP room with jaqoosie is $8 and maybe that is better as reports say that the massage is never that great anyway).
Half way through a very so-so experience, asked if boom boom was available. Sure it was. No mention about price. Instead of putting a towel over the window in the door, she switched out the light so that I could see nothing. No blow job but I was good and ready by that stage anyway. Service was basic and not really GFE (absolutely no kissing) but she was tight. After shower I gave her $20 and she made a face but could not speak English. Gave her another bunch of singles 9about $4) and kept walking. I always pay when I have my shoes on and am ready to walk!
Le Circee only opens after 6pm but it is still run by the same French speaking guy who also speaks English. As I did not have much time, I picked out a Khmer dressed in red with long slightly curly hair - made her look faintly South American.
No going upstairs any more. Now have to go around the corner which can cause problems if you do not want to be seen. The guest house was almost better than my hotel and I am not exactly sure but I think it cost $7 extra. The lady was also young and appeared to be less than interested at first although she was nice and looked real good with slightly darker skin.
Started off with a bj without being asked. No problem with daty or playing around with her pussy. All positions were available and the light was on. Only problem was that she was hot and tight with good muscle control and I could not postpone blast off. During the deed, she got really into it and at one stage I thought she might tear the sheets.
Back at the bar, it was $5 for drinks (you have to pay for one girly drink), $20 for her and $7 for the GS for an hour. I gave her an extra $5 tip for good service with was accepted wth appreciation. So different from Luxury World.
I still prefer the ladybars - there is one on street 136 - the last one on the rhs in that block near the river and I think it is called the 99 bar. In previous years I pulled a couple of long-termers out of that bar. Always got better service and fun than in the in-house establishments.
[QUOTE=Wendella]From what I've seen, and I've never been in Cambodia more than a month, the Khmer girls there are generally chestier than ones in Vietnam or Thailand.[/QUOTE]So true; Khmer ladies are definitely thicker not only in the bust but also in the backside as evidenced by my ex.g.f. in the included pic.
I'll be in PNH in February for about a week, second year running.
Early this year I stayed at Flamingos and mongered at the Walkabout, Sharkys, Le Circee etc.
I had some fantastic massages right opposite Flamingos, but strictly legit. The girl, under 5', very cute and doable and strong like a wrestler, did not even hesitate at my offer of $50, while performing miracles with my back in my room.
So what I am looking for are MPs or similar venues with extensive special services (as opposd to the pick-up places above)
The Luxury World Hotel seems a worth while tip, but there must be many others.
Relevant info would be greatly appreciated.
[QUOTE=Daddy San]I'll be in PNH in February for about a week, second year running.
Early this year I stayed at Flamingos and mongered at the Walkabout, Sharkys, Le Circee etc.
I had some fantastic massages right opposite Flamingos, but strictly legit. The girl, under 5', very cute and doable and strong like a wrestler, did not even hesitate at my offer of $50, while performing miracles with my back in my room.
So what I am looking for are MPs or similar venues with extensive special services (as opposd to the pick-up places above)
The Luxury World Hotel seems a worth while tip, but there must be many others.
Relevant info would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]
I think Luxury World is hit and miss. At least you get a choice between vietnamese, local and chinese. I did not choose VIP room at $8 but I think you ought to consider that as it may be free of large windows on the door.
About 4 years ago, found a couple of places that did massage - one around the corner of Walkabout - turn right out of WA and turn right around the corner and it is on RHS a few meters away. Although there is a fish bowl, not much choice and some do not do FS for $20. Tried another which was west of the central market (the one near Circee). Had an ok experience but not great.
I think that the city needs some more massage places where FS is on offer for those who cannot get out and about so easily. But if you are free and easy, it is very easy to pick up a girl in PP - just go to a few bars or even check out the strictly legit massage places and make a date with the girl for afterwards. Always ask first where she is from (best if she is from out of town and no family to bother her). Most Cambodian girls will put out if you are a gentleman and treat them right.
Thanks for your reply, Simian,
when I did my research for my first trip to Cambodia in February 2008, there were a number if quite informative FRs by Lord Smutty, which have since disapperaed, either by accident or by censorship. I quote from one of the defunct reports:
So I decided to try my luck in one of the foot massage parlours on Monivong...[b]There are many of these parlours along Monivong to explore[/b].
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Another great spot to let the fur fly is the street#49 (same street that Cyrcee and Mikado are on). If you come out of Cyrcee, turn right and head over street #136 until you find yourself in a [b]stretch of brightly lit parlours[/b]
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Now Monivong is quite long, but I went up and down in a tuk tuk twice on different days and could not find a single likely venue.
I don't actually remember searching along street #49, but I do remember not having found a single fucking MP (pun intended!).
The one opposite Flamingos is quite nice but strictly legit, not even private rooms.
I am sure, there are MPs with serious extras available, all over the place, since it seems to be part of the culture in SE Asia
So I repeat my question(s):
Where are they?
Whereabout on Monivong are they?
Are those supposedly "brightly lit parlours" on #49 real?
Try Paradise Massage on street 136 looks like a big hotel just a block or two off Nordom towards the river.
Sim card info.
I got a Hello sim card from the Airport. $5 for the card, then bought minutes. It's a good network sure, but it's expensive. Why? Because the ladies call you and hang up, then you call them back and getting charged up the ass per minute. The best part of "Hello" is that you get a confirmation on SMS when it's received. If she has her phone off you'll know it, and once she turns it on you'll get the sms confirmation.
[url]http://www.hello.com.kh/[/url]
All the ladies seem to use Cellcard, so that's the one I recommend. Just ask the hotel where to get one, they are everywhere and seem to be the most affordable.
[url]http://www.cellcard.com.kh/cccust_rates_new09.php[/url]
Unlocking a phone.
I couldn't unlock my phone no matter what I did. Here's the place I used, they speak English
Place : Citifone
Location : #33 on Street 128 (Kampuchea Krom Blvd)
Here's my info and experiences about Hotel and Motorbikes and Tuktuk...
While in Phnom Penh I stayed at Flamingos Hotel. My 1st complaint is they said they'd send a driver to pick me up, well the airport is small and there was no driver holding a paper with my name on it. I waited an hour, then took a $9 taxi to the hotel. The hotel said the driver was there but didn't see me (I call bullshit). My 2nd complaint is their internet is slow, but they have internet and that's important. I have no other complaints.
The staff is friendly, pool table is ok, happy hour $1 beer from 4-8pm, guest friendly. Maid staff were flirty and fun to talk with. Paid $25 a night for the standard room which was the best value in my opinion. I saw all rooms and the only difference seemed to be the size of the room but same quality. The $35 room had a bath tub with shower nozzle. Others just a shower only.
They don't take or check IDs of girls. But if you don't walk down with them the front desk will call your room to make sure things are ok before she leaves.
Motobike and tuk tuk drivers outside of Flamingos are aggressive because they're running up to you as you walk out and they seem to ask for $1 more than the guys even a block away. Kind of annoying. I ended up getting 3 guys I can trust with fair prices and used them most of the time and got their phone numbers. They would even wait outside for me and not charge extra for waiting a few hours for me, I'm using them frequently. Also if I was going to be x amount of hours I would call them to pick me up or tell them to come back at a certain time so they can still have other business.
Here are some transportation prices from Flamingos/Walkabout or surrounding areas to go to Sharky's or Martini etc.
Me + 1 person on tuk tuk = $2
Me + 2 or 3 people on tuk tuk = $3.
Me with or without a person on a motobike = $1
Sharky's to Martini, I either bargain or use a guy I know or...
Tuk tuk add $1
Motorbike add $0.50-$1
About the motorbike or tuk tuks - there isn't that much business for them right now. It's not so busy and they're all fighting over $1. But if you take one some place, they're all friendly with you and usually they'll want more money because they're "Waiting for you" and couldn't take another customer. I don't care for that. It happened a few times from 3 drivers outside Flamingos. Then happened only 1 time from some driver outside Sorya market. To avoid the problem you can take a guy you trust or just get dropped off and not have them wait because there are drivers everywhere.
I know a dependable guy that has a motorbike, tuk tuk, and access to a car. If you're interested in his contact info PM me.
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[QUOTE=D Cups]Is it scenic? I may do this, too.[/QUOTE]
Not what I call scenic as after the first 30min or so its the same same for the next 5-6hrs.(note:it'll take about 45min-1hr just to get out of the city limits with traffic)
Do the ride to get to HCMC and thats about it. But as PT said for $10 or so its cheap enough.
Shark
What I understand from a local chinese businessman is that all massage places do offer sex. It is just that for foreigners they come across as legit.
But if you are regular and trust you they might offer more than a massage.
Everybody knows they hardly make any money by doing massage only.
The heaven hotel on 130. Is it?
Near norodom, always brightly lit with girls sitting at the entrance.
Fishbowl and lots of girls they say, I went once on a holiday weekend and there were three girls.
That luxury world sounds like the best bet, although I haven't been.
Did go LCC/mikado or now somalys recently.
LCC we pulled only one girl each in an empty bar. No more crowding with lots of feel ups and often no panties.$27 with nearby room, a walk for residents is bad news.
On to Somalys. Great.
Lots of attentive girls each.$20 all up including mirrored room.
My mate went back last week and took two together.
Girls very obliging apparently. Thats a surprise.
Girls from bars are beautiful but a lottery.
LCC/Somalys satisfaction guaranteed.
[QUOTE=Sharka]Not what I call scenic as after the first 30min or so its the same same for the next 5-6hrs.(note:it'll take about 45min-1hr just to get out of the city limits with traffic)
Do the ride to get to HCMC and thats about it. But as PT said for $10 or so its cheap enough.
Shark[/QUOTE]
Are there any scams or high prices to worry about at the border.
I seen many stories about scams and high prices if you take a bus from
Thailand to Cambodia, but I don't hear of any problems on the Vietnam
border.
Thanks
I just went to PP from HCMC and the cost was $10USD for the bus, once aboard the company pumps you for $25USD for the visa. After reading online and this forum the price is only $20USD I refused to cough up the extra $5 on principal. I had to "do it on my own" and was threatened with being left behind if I was late. I went trough immigration, customs, and health inspection on the Viet side with no problems then you have to haul your belongings some 50yards up the road to the Camby side and do the same procedure there along with filing out the form and handing over a crisp new $20USD bill. All in all no big deal, I was done in minuets compared to the hoard that paid $25. 30 minuets early to be exact. The only difference was being told where to stand and wait for the bus driver to do the waiting at the immigration desk for you. As all over South east Asia no one ques up and some drivers from other buses were handing over scrilla to the immigration officer to process their passports first. Same old crap but no problem for me. They were very serious about the health inspection, taking everyones temperature at the border, so if you have a fever you'll be quarantined.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]
Fishbowl and lots of girls they say, I went once on a holiday weekend and there were three girls.[/QUOTE]
Anytime I've ever gone to check out any fishbowl in PP after hearing glowing reviews (full of gorgeous girls, probably 50 sitting in there) it's always been a big disappointment. More like 5 very normal looking girls, usually. Never one beautiful girl in any fishbowl I've ever seen. And actually that goes for Bangkok too. Maybe I'e just been amazingly unlucky.
[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]I just went to PP from HCMC and the cost was $10USD for the bus, once aboard the company pumps you for $25USD for the visa. After reading online and this forum the price is only $20USD I refused to cough up the extra $5 on principal. I had to "do it on my own" and was threatened with being left behind if I was late. I went trough immigration, customs, and health inspection on the Viet side with no problems then you have to haul your belongings some 50yards up the road to the Camby side and do the same procedure there along with filing out the form and handing over a crisp new $20USD bill. All in all no big deal, I was done in minuets compared to the hoard that paid $25. 30 minuets early to be exact. The only difference was being told where to stand and wait for the bus driver to do the waiting at the immigration desk for you. As all over South east Asia no one ques up and some drivers from other buses were handing over scrilla to the immigration officer to process their passports first. Same old crap but no problem for me. They were very serious about the health inspection, taking everyones temperature at the border, so if you have a fever you'll be quarantined.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info. My stepfather was telling me about the big swine flu scare in Vietnam now and temperature checks. I got use to the temp checks when Asia was scared of bird flu. What's next? Fish flu? I think I had a fever once, but I walked on by.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]The heaven hotel on 130. Is it?
Near norodom, always brightly lit with girls sitting at the entrance.
Fishbowl and lots of girls they say, I went once on a holiday weekend and there were three girls.
That luxury world sounds like the best bet, although I haven't been.
Did go LCC/mikado or now somalys recently.
LCC we pulled only one girl each in an empty bar. No more crowding with lots of feel ups and often no panties.$27 with nearby room, a walk for residents is bad news.
On to Somalys. Great.
Lots of attentive girls each.$20 all up including mirrored room.
My mate went back last week and took two together.
Girls very obliging apparently. Thats a surprise.
Girls from bars are beautiful but a lottery.
LCC/Somalys satisfaction guaranteed.[/QUOTE]Where the heck is Somalys?
On my last trip I went to Club 69. Loads of yummy girls and some with excellent English. Bought afew drinks, no pressure at all and had a couple girls hanging on me and teasing me. Got me harder than Chinese algebra but no one showed any interest in asking me to go somewhere or if I wanted more outside the bar. The slightly older mamsan was hot too. 2 other guys in there and 1 alone just drinking. Had my hands down some pants also but that was it.
[QUOTE=Daddy San]Are those supposedly "brightly lit parlours" on #49 real? [/QUOTE]Yes, but they were low class, staffed by girls that looked way too young, and not one of them appeared attractive to me. I was not given any come hither gestures so I would say they were for the locals anyway.
My point of observation was walking to and from LCC down some side streets but was able to look inside from the street, and yes, they were well lit.
Also a waste of time IMO to go in search of them but if you would like a look for yourself I was passing through after 9pm last March.
I also saw places like this on St. 51 around that part of town were LCC is located.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]The heaven hotel on 130. Is it?
Near norodom, always brightly lit with girls sitting at the entrance.
Fishbowl and lots of girls they say, I went once on a holiday weekend and there were three girls.
That luxury world sounds like the best bet, although I haven't been.
Did go LCC/mikado or now somalys recently.
LCC we pulled only one girl each in an empty bar. No more crowding with lots of feel ups and often no panties.$27 with nearby room, a walk for residents is bad news.
On to Somalys. Great.
Lots of attentive girls each.$20 all up including mirrored room.
My mate went back last week and took two together.
Girls very obliging apparently. Thats a surprise.
Girls from bars are beautiful but a lottery.
LCC/Somalys satisfaction guaranteed.[/QUOTE]
Where is Somalys? I checked the forum and did not find any other reference.
As a public service it would be nice to create a list of massage places, especially those open during the day, where a married man can check out when it suits him. I cannot do it as I do not live in Cambodia and only get to spend short times there.
The trouble with LCC is that it only opens after 6pm. The other options that I know about, Walkabout etc, are too public. A list of FS places that are reasonably clean, esp massage places offering FS, would be great. Yes, if you go to the same massage place for a few weeks, you may get more than the rub or the rub 'n' tug. But that option is only open to residents.
Who out there knows about a club in PP that has midget girlz?
Please respond.
What does LCC stand for, and where is it located?
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Did go LCC/mikado or now somalys recently.[/QUOTE]
Somalys? Does this mean that Mikado has reopened with a new name?
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Lots of attentive girls each.$20 all up including mirrored room.[/QUOTE]Does this refer to the hotel next door to Mikados?
I hope so!
Cheers
[QUOTE=Gagoo]Are there any scams or high prices to worry about at the border.
I seen many stories about scams and high prices if you take a bus from
Thailand to Cambodia, but I don't hear of any problems on the Vietnam
border.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Gagoo, I already answer this for you in post #2134
No real scams at the Viet border if leaving Cambo and entering Vietnam, but as I mentioned before on another post before, if you are from most Western countries (especially USA), you CAN'T get the viet visa at the border, they will turn you away back to PP so its a wasted trip. Get the Viet visa either at home before leaving or even better and cheaper to get it in PP. Check for my previous posts for details.
PT
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Gagoo, I already answer this for you in post #2134
No real scams at the Viet border if leaving Cambo and entering Vietnam, but as I mentioned before on another post before, if you are from most Western countries (especially USA), you CAN'T get the viet visa at the border, they will turn you away back to PP so its a wasted trip. Get the Viet visa either at home before leaving or even better and cheaper to get it in PP. Check for my previous posts for details.
PT[/QUOTE]Gaggo,
Yes always get your viet visa from the Vietnam consulant at the US or Thailand before your trip ,Cambodia visa you can get it on arrival at the pp or siem riep airport for 20 usd with photo .
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=Miglvoz9]Who out there knows about a club in PP that has midget girlz?[/QUOTE]Well, there have been times I've walked into LCC and it felt like barely any of the girls were much taller than my waist. Is that short enough for you?
Just spent a long weekend in PP with first 2 days on business then 3 days sightseeing and doing monkey business.
Found the 138 and 104 bars absolute rubbish. The bars themselves are old, dirty and stink for the most part. Went to Sharkey's and Martini and also found them to be the typical pool bar / beer bars you used to find in Philippines, Vietnam and China years ago. What girls were there you generally had to drink pretty.
Did find one Khmer and one VN girl in Sharkey's late at night that I got friendly with playing pool. It was obvious both were available but no mention themselves. Upon closing the place asked the Khmer girl if she might join me for the rest of the night which she enthusiastically agreed to. A good night ensued.
What I was introduced to by a friend however was the Chinese Karaoke bars. One in Phnom Penh Hotel and one in Nagaworld. Outstanding. Beautiful girls; Khmer, Viet and Chinese. Rooms and sound system are outstanding as is the lineups from mamasan. Johnny Walker Gold is $95 per bottle or 3 for 2. Girls time is $20 for the whole night in the Karaoke. Takeout is $150 for Chinese, $100 for Viet and $50 for Khmer. Crazy dice games from liars poker to 7, 8, 9 both drinking games. The 7, 8, 9 game involves she touches you on the outside, you touch her on the outside, OR she touches you on the inside or you touch her on the inside depending upon the color of the dice rolled. WOW! They go crazy.
Pricier than the rest of PP but much better value. Most model quality and enthusiastic in the room and outside.
Mowahk
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Not sure which 136/104 bars you went to AT but they are generally much better than you describe.
Certainly KTVs,X2s and other karaoke joints have the best girls but shit they are expensive arent they?
A bottle of whiskey at $95-one can get nearly ten short times for that.
Somaly is indeed the reborn mikado sans kimonos but otherwise the same as before-short time hotel next door.
Corner of 136 and 49.
[QUOTE=Asia Travler]Takeout is $150 for Chinese, $100 for Viet and $50 for Khmer. Crazy dice games from liars poker to 7, 8, 9 both drinking games. The 7, 8, 9 game involves she touches you on the outside, you touch her on the outside, OR she touches you on the inside or you touch her on the inside depending upon the color of the dice rolled. WOW! They go crazy.
Pricier than the rest of PP but much better value. Most model quality and enthusiastic in the room and outside.
[/QUOTE]
Sounds good. Having not been to PP for 4 or 5 years now,
maybe this is a reason to try again for a weekend or so.
Thanks for the info.
Cheers!
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Not sure which 136/104 bars you went to AT but they are generally much better than you describe.
Certainly KTVs,X2s and other karaoke joints have the best girls but shit they are expensive arent they?
A bottle of whiskey at $95-one can get nearly ten short times for that.
Somaly is indeed the reborn mikado sans kimonos but otherwise the same as before-short time hotel next door.
Corner of 136 and 49.[/QUOTE]
Somaly is owned by the same that had Mikado, or is just like it? Oh ok, that's same address, isn't it.
$50 - 100 for a model overnite seems tolerable to me. They serve beer, right?
Hang on bro.
Somaly/mikado has form.
Two men, owner and manager in jail, for eight years each for alleged porno and other offences.
After a year new owner, probably you know what. Same format sans the kimonos. As for costs, up to you.
But most of us have a budget, I don't, I have spent heaps and uinderstand.
[quote=phil istine]hang on bro.
somaly/mikado has form.
two men, owner and manager in jail, for eight years each for alleged porno and other offences.
after a year new owner, probably you know what. same format sans the kimonos. as for costs, up to you.
but most of us have a budget, i don't, i have spent heaps and uinderstand.[/quote]
i'm not getting what you mean. "somaly/mikado has form"? what do you mean it "has form"? (did you mean "has same format" but made a typo?)
also: "after a year new owner, probably you know what" if that one is unspeakable here, maybe better to send me a pm. i definitely don't know what. ;)
(i'd guess more than half the people who come to this thread are out of the country and not as up to speed on the latest there as you are -- we're a bit slow -- bear with us)
I have heard from some locals that street nr.9 has plenty to offer, but I have been there ( in the daytime) and I have not seen so much action, just a couple of decrepit guest-houses and lotta NGO cars around.
More info, anybody?
[quote=wendella]i'm not getting what you mean. "somaly/mikado has form"? what do you mean it "has form"? (did you mean "has same format" but made a typo?)
also: "after a year new owner, probably you know what" if that one is unspeakable here, maybe better to send me a pm. i definitely don't know what. ;)
(i'd guess more than half the people who come to this thread are out of the country and not as up to speed on the latest there as you are -- we're a bit slow -- bear with us)[/quote]
wendella is one of our british chums (sorry, i should say pals or should i say buddies) and when he uses the phrase "has form," he means having been in the clink (gaol, sorry i mean prison). so he might say "that geezer (bloke, sorry i mean guy) has form" meaning he has been in prison or is known to the peelers (plod, filth, peelers, cops sorry i mean law enforcement officials) or has a criminal record (but not in the cd or dvd sense). 'nuff said.
[quote=simian]wendella is one of our british chums (sorry, i should say pals or should i say buddies) and when he uses the phrase "has form," he means having been in the clink (gaol, sorry i mean prison). so he might say "that geezer (bloke, sorry i mean guy) has form" meaning he has been in prison or is known to the peelers (plod, filth, peelers, cops sorry i mean law enforcement officials) or has a criminal record (but not in the cd or dvd sense). 'nuff said.[/quote]wait, i thought [b]i[/b] was wendella? ;)
ok. got it. in the slammer. the big house. the stir.
how about the "probably you know what" part ?
btw we yanks use jail. gaol has to be the weirdest of all british spellings. otherwise an excellent job of inventing the language, and hats off and all that. ;)
[QUOTE=Wendella]Wait, I thought [b]I[/b] was Wendella? ;)
OK. Got it. In the slammer. The big house. The stir.
How about the "probably you know what" part ?
btw we Yanks use JAIL. Gaol has to be the weirdest of all British spellings. Otherwise an excellent job of inventing the language, and hats off and all that. ;)[/QUOTE]The discussion about chicks turns academic.
Jeeez!
Have fun guys!
I am now back in the US. I just want to let you all know that Sophie's is definetly closed. And by all means avoid svay pak like the plague. I couldn't get any drivers to take me there as I was informed that it is now a police trap. Supposedly the locals are getting paid by the NGOs to report foreingers in the area.
The days of thousands of girls in tuol kok are over. You can still find some milling around, but nothing like years ago from what I was told.
Also, becareful as to what you do on the beach in snooky. A frenchman told me that NGOs are snooping around taking photos of foreigners, (perhaps even innocently), talking to the young ones.
The NGOs have definetly fucked this place up. Nevertheless, there is still fun to be had and i ask you all to keep your mouths shut.
[QUOTE=Simian]Any of you dudes meet this lady before? A pal needs to know the intel on this one for personal reasons. [/QUOTE]She look like a lady froom woodoo bar, her name was "mum".
It was 2 years ago.
[quote=asianpussylover]i am now back in the us. i just want to let you all know that sophie's is definetly closed. and by all means avoid svay pak like the plague. i couldn't get any drivers to take me there as i was informed that it is now a police trap. supposedly the locals are getting paid by the ngos to report foreingers in the area.
the days of thousands of girls in tuol kok are over. you can still find some milling around, but nothing like years ago from what i was told.
also, becareful as to what you do on the beach in snooky. a frenchman told me that ngos are snooping around taking photos of foreigners, (perhaps even innocently), talking to the young ones.
the ngos have definetly fucked this place up. nevertheless, there is still fun to be had and i ask you all to keep your mouths shut. [/quote]oh the shock-svay pak closed, why did i not know.
listen mate, this place is still good and if one has nothing to hide there is absolutely no problem with authorities here.
don't like your tone, too many cunts coming here and fucking around with kids and **** women. gives us all bad name-holiday somewhere else would you?
Not sure that you understand the politics here wen.
Still that mik guy should go to mikado/somaly and LCC first.
Good way to start the night.
Many nice girls also mic in streets 104 and 136.
The point is that the place has changed. I know a lot of people are attracted to the descriptions of what the place is currently not. Those of you who have been lucky enough to enjoy the wild days of yore, then consider yourselves lucky.
[quote=asianpussylover]i am now back in the us. i just want to let you all know that sophie's is definetly closed. and by all means avoid svay pak like the plague. i couldn't get any drivers to take me there as i was informed that it is now a police trap. supposedly the locals are getting paid by the ngos to report foreingers in the area.
the days of thousands of girls in tuol kok are over. you can still find some milling around, but nothing like years ago from what i was told.
also, becareful as to what you do on the beach in snooky. a frenchman told me that ngos are snooping around taking photos of foreigners, (perhaps even innocently), talking to the young ones.
the ngos have definetly fucked this place up. nevertheless, there is still fun to be had and i ask you all to keep your mouths shut.[/quote]if you are asking us to keep our mouths shut about ****philia your mind is seriously fucked.
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I went to Paris Hotel's fishbowl and chose a nice khumer girl.
2hr massage was USD$12 in the room according to the mamasan/attendant, however my massuest said it was $11. Room was just a basic room with toilet, basin and a shower on a hose with Hot water. Wooden Ceiling, tv, closet, mirror. Old and dusty on the top of the closet and bottom of the wooden bedside table.
Anyway had a shower, lay down wrapped in a towel face up, She started rubbing the feet and working her way up, Ok massage but its not what I was here for.
Got to the fun part, she had tiny A cups and a nice shapely ass. I got a BBJ and shot over her tits, then after a little bit of a hug and cuddle (GFE) and went for round #2. Very relaxing place, I'll be back to visit it next time round.
Just don't bother looking at the surly sourfaced reception/front desk at the hotel, press the lift to go to 3rd floor and stare at the tourist posters on the wall until the lift arrives.
Luxury World Hotel.
I heard about the 3 types in the fishbowl and had to see for myself.
As you walk in turn 90deg left and upthe stairs. You will see a L shaped fishbowl, not that many Chinese girls there (some were working I'd assume by what the mamasan said regarding models. These were $2 more than the other 2 and were wearing whatever they felt like) and the ones there were pushing 40 I'd say. The amount of local Khumer girls (wearing orange uniform)were amazing. They just kept streamng out of the back rooms. There would have been about 60+
The viet girls would have been about 20 or so wearing purple.
I chose a cute vn girl. #127. Big mistake.
Got the VIP room for 2hrs at$8hr.
Had a steam room, shower head fixed to the wall and no toilet.
There were mirrors on the walls and one on the ceiling above the bed.
This girl started off with a boring massage, finally she made hand signals to sleep you and me. I said ok, how much in viet? She motioned USD$50. I just lost all interest in boomboom after that. After a while she asked me again, this time it was for $40. I said $20, kept trying to go up to 35/30/25 etc but I was fixed. I was going to say $10 but wanted to see how she would react to $20. After a pause she accepted.
Went to shower and come back, turned off the room lights, and the tv, she was scared people will look into the room, the door has sections with a mirror tint on the outside.
I turned the tv back on but she didn't want to remove her towel. Finally I turned the tv off and she sat there giving me a HJ. I gently pulled her towards my cock to told her I want yum yum and she said no. I asked her again and No was the answer. After that I turned on the tv. I was tempted to go change the girl out but couldn't be bothered, Lost my appetite so to speak.
After the end of the 2hrs she didn't bother asking me for a tip though she was hanging around when she didn't need to be, I was going to give her a 100 are note but as she had ordered a drink but didn't get the attendant to open it so $1. 50 would be enough for her.
I'll come back and try it out again, but not #127, unless you want a boring massage.
[quote=asianpussylover]to all the blabbermouths sophies is closed and so is svay pak. ****phalia? didn't see any thanks to the ngo's, and even if i did i the secret is safe, (wink). there are lots of nice places in cambo. but thanks to a couple of cunts the ngos know where to go to have the really nice places shut down.
good luck in your search.[/quote]which ngo's are these? have a link? i was thinking of making a big donation to help them shut down your favorite places (wink).
[QUOTE=Wendella]Which NGO's are these? Have a link? I was thinking of making a big donation to help them shut down your favorite places (wink).[/QUOTE]There are some NGOs there using dodgy tactics to catch (entrap) people. One I've heard of is inexcusable even if it means catching these sickos.
Anyways some are stupid enough to make certain types of comments on forums like this. I guess they are happy to have their names on more than a few law enforcement watch lists or they wouldn't be so dumb.
[quote=nerdynomad]there are some ngos there using dodgy tactics to catch (entrap) people. one i've heard of is inexcusable even if it means catching these sickos.
anyways some are stupid enough to make certain types of comments on forums like this. i guess they are happy to have their names on more than a few law enforcement watch lists or they wouldn't be so dumb.[/quote]i would like to know the names of such ngos who, as you say, "entrap" people. how? by using **** girls? that would be illegal and they should be reported.
none of us should have no problem with ngos, law enforcement or charities that protect children against ****s. as long as hobbyists stay away from the ****, we provide no one with an excuse to shut the hobby down.
[quote=simian]i would like to know the names of such ngos who, as you say, "entrap" people. how? by using **** girls? that would be illegal and they should be reported.
none of us should have no problem with ngos, law enforcement or charities that protect children against ****s. as long as hobbyists stay away from the ****, we provide no one with an excuse to shut the hobby down.[/quote]i think it was aple who was mentioned, and yes, using **** girls, one case i heard they were waiting till she was having sex with them before they would arrest. i don't know how reliable the info is.
also the police were reportedly involved, no surprise that they are involved in something dodgy, only surprising that they were involved in actually catching these criminals.
just to clear up you're calling mongering the hobby right? not the young'uns.
Yes, some of them do use shady tactics. Not all, but some of them are here to make money. Their cause is secondary. Otherwise, they wouldn't be driving around in new Lexus's and even buying them for corrupt officials. Even Hun Sen says this (not that I'm a big fan of his). They need to make people living on the other side of the world feel sympathetic and outraged.
I know a man who made the international news, recently, for allegedly being with 12 year old girls. It was an NGO that busted him. I won't name them because they are very powerful, probably read these forums, and...I live here.
Anyway, it was in the papers. It was on TV. He fit the profile - old, fat, walked with cane...basically everyone's nightmare when it came to this sort of thing. He was a teacher, so he saw young girls on a daily basis. I'm sure it caught the attention of many from the west, and I'm sure that many opened their wallets and sent money.
The man may very well be guilty. But here's the thing...the week after he made international news, I saw him walking in Sorya Mall. And the next week, I saw him walking on the streets of Phnom Penh. They didn't have any hard evidence against him. If they had, he certainly would have been in a Cambodian jail or sent to the US (he's a US citizen) to be prosecuted.
I'll bet they made a ton of money from the publicity.
Last week, a Frenchman was found with a 15 year old girl at a guesthouse. The same NGO was allowed to talk to her. She told them that she was working out of Walkabout. I live across the street from Walkabout, and know many people who go there regularly. I've never seen anyone there that I thought could possibly be 15 years old. I guess it is possible, but I doubt it. They have been wanting to close down Walkabout for years, and this will help to do it. Now, only girls with ids can enter Walkabout. Most girls do not have ids, and for them, the ids are very expensive to get. Last Friday, Joker Draw Night, the pot was over $10,000, the most ever from what I understand. There was only a handful of people there because of this new rule.
I applaud the NGOs that are altruistic and have noble causes. There are over 3,200 NGOs in Cambodia (I believe more than any other country in the world). I think that there are at least some who have other motives.
[quote=simian]i would like to know the names of such ngos who, as you say, "entrap" people. how? by using **** girls? that would be illegal and they should be reported.
none of us should have no problem with ngos, law enforcement or charities that protect children against ****s. as long as hobbyists stay away from the ****, we provide no one with an excuse to shut the hobby down.[/quote]whoa there buddy, i think nerdy's on our side. ;) anyway, hear him out. entrap how?
[quote=nerdynomad]i think it was aple who was mentioned, and yes, using **** girls, one case i heard they were waiting till she was having sex with them before they would arrest. i don't know how reliable the info is.
also the police were reportedly involved, no surprise that they are involved in something dodgy, only surprising that they were involved in actually catching these criminals.
just to clear up you're calling mongering the hobby right? not the young'uns.[/quote]
it looks like nerdy's post was delayed until appearing in the thread (maybe due to being new account, dunno). when i last posted, it wasn't there in the thread.
i agree it is dodgy, by doing that they're committing the crime themselves (by orchestrating and enabling it, and by encouraging that the act take place). i dont' think anyone caught that way should be let go, just that whoever came up with that scheme should also face the music. i mean, you wouldn't try to catch a killer by setting up a murder and letting the victim be killed, just to solidify your case.
Lots of bullshit and hysteria about the NGOs and entrapment I think.
And some bullshit in the previous thread.
I know the fat guy with the cane and he is not walking the streets, he is in prey saw on remand.
And not many at the WA last night, I find that hard to believe but I I'll check my sources.
I know the fat guy with the cane, too, and I did see him walking the streets. I don't know where he is now.
ngo's don't use **** girls, they don't need to because the girl doesn't have to appear in court or be questioned. also due to u.s pressure, mongering is illegal in scambodia, and entrapement is the new game being played. they can't go after the karokays and m.p's,(have plenty of ****) etc as they are run by gangsters along with cops and military. so now they arer going after the lone white man, one at atime as it is very safe for the ngo's and cops. look at recent issues of cambodian daily and phom penh post.
[quote=simian]none of us should have no problem with ngos, law enforcement or charities that protect children against ****s. as long as hobbyists stay away from the ****, we provide no one with an excuse to shut the hobby down.[/quote]
old fatty mama doesn't care about children, sim, she cares about power.
but relax - nothing nobodies like you or i could ever do would alter the process one iota.
geraldo francisco reporting. been to cambodia several times. forget poi pet with all the beggers. pp is the place to go.
the first time was a visa run from thailand in 2003. just a week to escape songkran in the big mango.
my motordriver took me to some dump with about 20 girls. just to be safe i took the khmer girl who was 22. for two nights we fucked and made use of the tub. then i got bored.
i went to sharkey's bar on street 130. lord, there were fifty girls in there! i started out with a 21 year old, then a 19 year old, then a vietnamese girl of 24. [blue][deleted by admin][/blue]. i left them to an english "gentlemen" who liked little girls. i took the mamasan, age 27-37, nam thi me. she was the best of the bunch.
after nam, i got an 18 year old that i wanted to adopt. but the trip was over.
the next time i visited pp, i was on my way back to thailand with a little rest stop. things had changed. no more motorcycle; everyone had a tuk-tuk or a car. but the number of bars had blossomed.
i stayed in a hotel on street 130 near the central market. from there it was easy to get to sharkey's and plenty of girls. but they were a little more picky. so i started visiting other bars. the wine bar had a number of decent girls and the first night i took home two vietnamese. we had a great time eating, drinking, shopping and fucking ourselves silly. all for less than $150.
it's too bad it all came to an end. i finally got kicked out of the country at the request of the u.s. embassy. a long story but at least i'm not in their jail nor ours. i love that place!
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don't believe too much about what is written here, like this board member who claims to live oppostite the walkabout. well, i myself was in there last friday having my shot at the 11.500 dollar joker jackpot, but the winning ticket did not turn the joker, so now friday even more to win, now to the point, the wa was packed with people 12 rows thick outsite into the street, what a bullshit to say there where only a handful of people.
actually yesterday afternoon time it was full also when i passed there. i'm not advertising the wa as i don't like the place, last friday was the first time in two and a half years i was inside, but will go again friday for the jackpot. never saw **** girls in that place. concerining ngo who want to trap you, keep your fingers off minors and nothing will happen to you in cambo, however, as of the italian who was with the 15 year old. well, it up to you, aint it?
Going to be in Phnom Pehn in a few fays with a friend. My friend booked a room at our favorite place to stay, Flamingo's a long time ago. I tried to book a room and they said they are fully booked. I stayed at Cara hotel a couple years ago, but it seemed far from the area I like around Flamingos. Also the room price climbed a lot in the last couple years.
I just asked Walkabout hotel, which seems like maybe not a nice place to stay, so I have to wait for them to reply.
Any other GF hotels nearby for $40 or less?
[QUOTE=Gagoo]Going to be in Phnom Pehn in a few fays with a friend. My friend booked a room at our favorite place to stay, Flamingo's a long time ago. I tried to book a room and they said they are fully booked. I stayed at Cara hotel a couple years ago, but it seemed far from the area I like around Flamingos. Also the room price climbed a lot in the last couple years.
I just asked Walkabout hotel, which seems like maybe not a nice place to stay, so I have to wait for them to reply.
Any other GF hotels nearby for $40 or less?[/QUOTE]If your budget allows it don't stay at the Walkabout, I recently took two girls there, and used a room in the hotel. Ok but to stay there no thanks, this is not saying the Walkabout is unacceptable its just that for a few dollars more you can do better, I stayed at the Thornbury, not on the waterfront but only a short tuk tuk ride away, also it has a massage area inside the hotel, the women were ok. Hope that helps.
[QUOTE=Gagoo]I just asked Walkabout hotel, which seems like maybe not a nice place to stay, so I have to wait for them to reply.[/QUOTE]Personal preference, but I find Flamingo a bit sterile and westernised. Walkabout is much better than it looks on first impressions when you walk in. The rooms on the top floor are quite beautiful and have a little balcony area where you can get some fresh air or watch the world go by below.
[QUOTE=Gagoo]Going to be in Phnom Pehn in a few fays with a friend. My friend booked a room at our favorite place to stay, Flamingo's a long time ago. I tried to book a room and they said they are fully booked. I stayed at Cara hotel a couple years ago, but it seemed far from the area I like around Flamingos. Also the room price climbed a lot in the last couple years.
I just asked Walkabout hotel, which seems like maybe not a nice place to stay, so I have to wait for them to reply.
Any other GF hotels nearby for $40 or less?[/QUOTE]I just got back from a couple nights/days in PP. I stayed at Flamingo's. Nice hotel for what it is but the rooftop was open the bar was not. My next stay I'll probably end up at Walkabout. I stopped in there for great food every day.
[QUOTE=Roguesta]Last week, a Frenchman was found with a 15 year old girl at a guesthouse. The same NGO was allowed to talk to her. She told them that she was working out of Walkabout. I live across the street from Walkabout, and know many people who go there regularly. I've never seen anyone there that I thought could possibly be 15 years old. I guess it is possible, but I doubt it..[/QUOTE]Been to Walkabout many many times on my PP visits and I find just the opposite to be true. Too many old hags working their trade there.
And for those in fear of entrapment, just stick to the bars and places mentioned on this board and you should be ok. Stay away from the "shady touts"
PT
walkabout check id on the door for anyone working in there. it doesn't sound like it could happen. if in doubt, ask one of the staff to double-check the id and verify that the woman is over 18. i wouldn't class walkabout as shady, even though i wouldn't eat there. being so open, they know they have to stick to the rules. i certainly wouldn't suggest staying there if it wasn't clearly on the up and up.
personally i wish every club had the sort of security and routine id checks that walkabout does. i don't like the slightest doubt. and although they've cleaned up quite a lot, i think the doubt or reputation that hangs over cambodia sometimes actually puts off decent regular punters.
remember a lot of the ngos (not all) are simply anti-sex and anti-prostitution. much of the purge has done more harm than good, with working women not daring to carry condoms in case they get accused, detained, beaten up and raped: by police. the clean-up-but-don't-encourage-condoms was part of the massive strings-attached gift aid that the bush government gave cambodia. cambodia has, in fact, been a slush pit of badly conceived, badly applied, aid for years, much of which has had disastrous effects. many ngos mean well biut don't have a clue. the financial incentives are not readily conducive to justice or the good of the cambodian people or their children. just be meticulous about your own behaviour. try to set a better moral example. it's not impossible.
I stayed at the Walkabout 18 months ago. For me it was a disaster. They placed me in a room on the floor above the first floor bar so it was noisy all night long. You would think that they would do the decent thing for the residents and close the bar at 2am or so like in Thailand so that people could get some sleep, but no.
Also the aircon didn't work, and the bath drain smelt like a sewer. To make matters worse I ate dinner there as well and ended up with some sort of bacterial food poisoning (vomiting later at night). I just had to move out as the place was literally killing me. I ended up finding a great quiet place for $8usd in another area.
For me Walkabout hotel = never again. Though YMMV.
[QUOTE=Franga]I stayed at the Walkabout 18 months ago. For me it was a disaster. They placed me in a room on the floor above the first floor bar so it was noisy all night long. You would think that they would do the decent thing for the residents and close the bar at 2am or so like in Thailand so that people could get some sleep, but no.
Also the aircon didn't work, and the bath drain smelt like a sewer. To make matters worse I ate dinner there as well and ended up with some sort of bacterial food poisoning (vomiting later at night). I just had to move out as the place was literally killing me. I ended up finding a great quiet place for $8usd in another area.
For me Walkabout hotel = never again. Though YMMV.[/QUOTE]The walkabout has always been opened 24 hours a day, i must admit ive never booked a room there or eaten there because it looks dirty.
[QUOTE=Geraldofrancisco]Geraldo Francisco reporting. Been to Cambodia several times. Forget Poi Pet with all the beggers. PP is the place to go.
The first time was a visa run from Thailand in 2003. Just a week to escape Songkran in the big mango.
My motordriver took me to some dump with about 20 girls from age 15 to 22. Just to be safe I took the Khmer girl who was 22. For two nights we fucked and made use of the tub. Then I got bored.
I went to Sharkey's bar on Street 130. Lord, there were fifty girls in there! I started out with a 21 year old, then a 19 year old, then a Vietnamese girl of 24. The best was a mamasan selling her two nieces ages 12 and 14. I left them to an English "gentlemen" who liked little girls. I took the mamasan, age 27-37, Nam Thi Me. She was the best of the bunch.
After Nam, I got an 18 year old that I wanted to adopt. But the trip was over.
The next time I visited PP, I was on my way back to Thailand with a little rest stop. Things had changed. No more motorcycle; everyone had a tuk-tuk or a car. But the number of bars had blossomed.
I stayed in a hotel on Street 130 near the central market. From there it was easy to get to Sharkey's and plenty of girls. But they were a little more picky. So I started visiting other bars. The Wine Bar had a number of decent girls and the first night I took home two Vietnamese. We had a great time eating, drinking, shopping and fucking ourselves silly. All for less than $150.
It's too bad it all came to an end. I finally got kicked out of the country at the request of the U.S. Embassy. A long story but at least I'm not in their jail nor ours. I love that place!
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Selling her two nieces 12 and 14. I have met the owners of sharkys personally and your making accusations, if it was down to me I would take you to court. This is someones business you talking about. I tell you what SHOW ME THE PROOF.
thanks for the help, i actually got both hotels to reserve me a room now.
i stayed at flamingos twice before and my friend has a room there, so i am going with flamingos again. didn't have any noise in the room and had wifi in my room. this year it seems like ngo's are the latest worries. i don't fancy **** girls, so i'm not going to worry about it. if anything, i could just tell the girl to meet me in my hotel later. prostitution is legal in some parts of the us, canada and australia, so i don't see any big international crime going on with consenting adults doing their thing.
I've only eaten there once - as per the previous poster, I can't recommend it. However the beer is cheap and the atmosphere laid back. It's a fairly relaxing place to hang out 24/7. Security seems pretty good. You have to be picky with the rooms as they vary enormously. (Why would they give you the best one if you just accept what they give you?) Always ask to see a room before you pay - it goes for almost anywhere if you get the chance, unless you feel a psychological need to book ahead. The first room they showed me was awful. The second one quite acceptable. (And it's cheap). I didn't find out about the luxury rooms on the rooftop till I had explored thoroughly. The worst bit about walkabout was maybe the attitude of some of the gringos. They varied from (what I'd call) normal, to completely green, to looking like a leftover from the Vietnam-US war (as if they'd just gone awol and lived in walkabout ever since).
For something more upmarket, go a block and a half towards the river and you'll find an exquisite French owned, French run place with very good food, a bar that sparkles like you can see your face reflected in the polished glass, and staff and owners that have a real sense of class (in the good sense). If you speak good French you will probably become friends for life. But you do have to cross the main road.
Nearer walkabout there's a cheap-as-catnip place almost opposite which is Vietnamese run. Many of the rooms are very spacious, quite awesome value for money. Downside is if the owner couple have a domestic that leaves a bit of an atmosphere.
The Flamingo sucks IMHO but that is mostly cos it's not to my taste. Rooms I looked at were tiny, cramped and soulless. The whole place is like a bit of a cheap army camp hotel, trying to be a bit upmarket and failing miserably to spend enough money. But there again it is maybe the closest thing you'll find to a westernised (American-friendly) hotel in the area at a cheap price. You can recognise the things you'd look for back home at a cheap backstreet hotel which just about ticks the boxes (and quite ostentatiously so).
There's many in the area. No harm in shopping around. There's also many good places to eat. No now need to eat typhoid trap meals.
I think anyone knows that Phnom Penh is not exactly for beginners. You have to grasp the local realities quickly but also have a strong sense of who you are, how to be civilised and decent in a country that lacks civilisation (in terms of the person you are - not in the sense of demanding hot water and western efficiency). But you are not as invisible as it might at first seem. So do please show the world - fellow ISGs, NGOs, and the long-suffering Cambodians, that you have certain standards. We might be mongers, but by playing fair we can earn everyone's respect. There's a lot of good decent people in the country. I think like attracts like.
[QUOTE=Franga]I stayed at the Walkabout 18 months ago. For me it was a disaster. They placed me in a room on the floor above the first floor bar so it was noisy all night long. You would think that they would do the decent thing for the residents and close the bar at 2am or so like in Thailand so that people could get some sleep, but no.
Also the aircon didn't work, and the bath drain smelt like a sewer. To make matters worse I ate dinner there as well and ended up with some sort of bacterial food poisoning (vomiting later at night). I just had to move out as the place was literally killing me. I ended up finding a great quiet place for $8usd in another area.
For me Walkabout hotel = never again. Though YMMV.[/QUOTE]Franga,
I think they both suck badly need to remodel this 2 hotel, but I agree for mongering is a good locations, walkabout is for the lazy that don't want to venture out and mostly dog at the bar.
Hotel here is cheap I like the new york hotel and I also like to stay at the river front area with nice view and many bar with good pick up, many new hotel is opening up and you can get room for 30 USD why stay at a dump.
Fast Eddie 48
There's no confusion. Like I said before, I know the person in question. We had a long conversation about two years ago. I believe you when you say that now he's on remand at Prey Sar. But please believe me, too, when I say that I saw him two weeks after he was arrested on two occasions.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Franga,
I think they both suck badly need to remodel this 2 hotel, but I agree for mongering is a good locations, walkabout is for the lazy that don't want to venture out and mostly dog at the bar.
Hotel here is cheap I like the new york hotel and I also like to stay at the river front area with nice view and many bar with good pick up, many new hotel is opening up and you can get room for 30 USD why stay at a dump.
Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]I'm not a big fan of either Walkabout (the bar) or Heart of Darkness, so for me it's not any advantage staying in that area. The other little bars around there also don't grab me much. So actually, much better would be to stay near where there's good food, and again I don't think the Walkabout area is very good for food. So it seems like the riverfront or close to it (a short walk) is probably best. Used to stay at Dara Reang Sey back when I was watching my funds. Something like that but a tad more upscale would be good. Being able to walk outside and have lots of different restaurants to choose from would be good too. But staying at FLamingo, every time I get hungry I feel like I need to go to the other side of town if I wanna get something decent to eat. One look at the rooms at Walkabout was enough to scare me off of ever staying there.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Whoa there buddy, I think Nerdy's on our side.. Anyway, hear him out. Entrap how?[/QUOTE]APLE is now shifting its policy of barang catchers to focus on Cambodian offenders. The donors tightened their purse and now they are looking for numbers: they are into the drunk peasant Khmer who goes home after a drinking session and fucks his daughters. For one foreigner getting caught for debauchery there is a counterpart of 600 of them motherfuckers going to jail for such offenses. Usually they pay the family of the girl as a compensation to bail out. Which is pretty impossible for the westerner, which family becomes a source of income for jail guards, clerks, prosecutors, their clerks, lawyers and the NGOs themselves, who ask money from the offender to get out of trouble first.
Guys, stick to adult girls and do not go looking into troubles.
Hey Guys,
A mate has just returned from Cambo and wants to know what his girl is up to while he is not around. I'll be back in a couple of weeks but unfortunately she knows my face and can connect me with him. If anyone can check her out PM me and I'll send you a pic and more info.
I might have a chance to come over to Phnom Penh in a few weeks. What is the current bar status? Lots of hot women or are the police/NGO causing too much trouble for all business?
I'm still a semi-newbie going into, so if you have 3 days to party and pick up women, where would you go?
Is Sharkey's even worth going to or is it just a tourist trap? How about Street 104 and 136?
Thanks to all for such a great forum!
Just checking to see what the latest status in Phnom Pehm?
Is mongering fine or are all the women hiding from all the crackdowns lately?
Is Sharkey's worth a visit or is it just a tourist trap? How about street 104 and 136?
I have a chance to visit PP in a few weeks and trying to figure out if it's worth it or not.
Sharkies had s few nice girls last time I was there.
104 and 136 are fine, 104 is really lively at the moment.
Rose bar has tons of girls and 104 bar really good too.
Old mikado has some very keen young ladies, one told me recently that she would make me come in her mouth three times!
Don't know what she was getting at.
[quote=heini]aple is now shifting its policy of barang catchers to focus on cambodian offenders. the donors tightened their purse and now they are looking for numbers: they are into the drunk peasant khmer who goes home after a drinking session and fucks his daughters. for one foreigner getting caught for debauchery there is a counterpart of 600 of them motherfuckers going to jail for such offenses. usually they pay the family of the girl as a compensation to bail out. which is pretty impossible for the westerner, which family becomes a source of income for jail guards, clerks, prosecutors, their clerks, lawyers and the ngos themselves, who ask money from the offender to get out of trouble first.
guys, stick to adult girls and do not go looking into troubles.[/quote]yes and no heini. in fact ngo try to catched locals for long time, it s not a new fashion but the family links are really strong in cambodia and girls will hardly complaint to police station against her family member(father, uncle etc).
if you re in cambodia try to buy the dvd from khmer movie maker rithy pahn, "paper cannot wrapped charcoal" you could also find it under "le papier ne peut pas envelopper la braise"
in this movie report you have the case of a young girl raped by her father. one ngo convinced the girl to complaint against her father. the girl did it and the father was sentenced to 5 years jailed. after the sentence the ngo gave 1000 dollars to the girl and tell her good luck in the life.
but since whats happened the girl is rejected by all her family and all her village. she lives as hooker and the ngo doesn t care about her. now she goes every week to the jail to see her father in the hope her dad will forgive her. she also dream to live and care of him after his jail sentence.
btw in this report you will know a lot about p4p local scene if you listened carefully.; especialy about street 9 (and other place) see your last mail interesting also how ngo fight aids in cambodia. by just paid the coffin and not the medicine.
I've met NGOs in Cambodia who are traumatised with frustration. They're not all well-paid 'do-gooders.' But the frustration arises from a total lack of understanding. They go out there with the best of intentions and it's only when confronted with reality, when they see Cambodia through Cambodian eyes, that they realise how hopelessly ineffectual their well-laid plans will be. And by then it's mostly too late. And it happens in every area, right down to telling the Cambodians how to grow rice.
If you read textbooks or wikibooks on Cambodia - on something as simple as, say, the Pol Pot regime, then start investigating the truth once you're out there, you quickly realise how the picture of Cambodia in Western eyes is painted in sanitised colours that make sense of the 'world order' we have come to live with. The truth about the Pol Pot history, for instance, is far too unpalatable when the truth sinks in about the West's role. So we get the 'simplified' version. People go to Cambodia with not just insufficient information but [I]wrong[/I] information. This goes for the monger who's only interested in his hole, for the NGO that wants 'to make a difference' and for the normal, decent human being who just wants to visit.
For people reading this whose interest in Cambodia goes beyond getting laid, can I earnestly encourage you to consider visiting [URL="http://www.beat-richner.ch/"] Beat Richner's[/URL] Saturday night cello concerts in Siem Reap. it's one charity/NGO that knows what it's doing, decries the cack-handed attempts of the half-cocked NGOs in the country, and saves the lives of millions of children. 'Dr Beat' is a legend in Cambodia. Almost any tuktuk driver has heard of Beat Richner. If you want to give some money (or some blood) this is one place where it won't be wasted.
Sorry to go on. But for the many people maybe reading this that look beyond the surface, are suitably horrified, and feel helpless to help or even see a way forward for Cambodia, Richner is a strong light in a dark tunnel.
Re the last post about movies - haven't seen that one, the filmmaker concerned is a celebrated Cambodian director who has won awards from Cannes and Amnesty International. Cambodia is a great place to learn about Cambodia. Soak up the films, books and so on. Let's face it, you need something to fill in the hours when not eating sleeping and seeking pussy.
Not sure what 'truth' it is you're referring to.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Not sure what 'truth' it is you're referring to.[/QUOTE]
I was just drawing attention to the disparity between perception and reality across almost everything to do with Cambodia. If you mean the Pol Pot era, you can see this very easily - compare the well-documented and uncontested history in the many books and videos on sale in Cambodia with almost any Western account; or go back and read the earlier discussions on the forum; or PM me if you must. These things are much better appreciated by first hand investigation - then you see the evidence - raising it on the forum tends to encourage pointless speculation/arguments. Best wishes, Christopherd.
[quote=channy]yes and no heini. in fact ngo try to catched locals for long time, it s not a new fashion but the family links are really strong in cambodia and girls will hardly complaint to police station against her family member(father, uncle etc).
if you re in cambodia try to buy the dvd from khmer movie maker rithy pahn, "paper cannot wrapped charcoal" you could also find it under "le papier ne peut pas envelopper la braise"
in this movie report you have the case of a young girl raped by her father. one ngo convinced the girl to complaint against her father. the girl did it and the father was sentenced to 5 years jailed. after the sentence the ngo gave 1000 dollars to the girl and tell her good luck in the life.
but since whats happened the girl is rejected by all her family and all her village. she lives as hooker and the ngo doesn t care about her. now she goes every week to the jail to see her father in the hope her dad will forgive her. she also dream to live and care of him after his jail sentence.
btw in this report you will know a lot about p4p local scene if you listened carefully.; especialy about street 9 (and other place) see your last mail interesting also how ngo fight aids in cambodia. by just paid the coffin and not the medicine.[/quote]got the message, rithy panis a very interesting moviemaker, i have seen "a barrage for the pacific" and i liked it, he is very khmer in his creations.
i love this country, i think khmers are the friendliest bunch in this world.
always ready to party. i do respect the culture in any sense and i think most of the ngos here do not.
thanks, mate.
Yeah not a bad summation christopherd.
There is no doubt that the KR were murderous bastards but we bombed them into madness and then we supported them for nearly ten years at the UN.
In my opinion we committed a crime as great as the KR themselves in their heyday.
But we must move on.
I love the Cambodians still.
There are three in my house tonight, sound asleep whilst I drink good, cheap australian red wine.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine, 12-07-09]Sharkies had s few nice girls last time I was there.
104 and 136 are fine, 104 is really lively at the moment.
Rose bar has tons of girls and 104 bar really good too.
Old mikado has some very keen young ladies, one told me recently that she would make me come in her mouth three times!
Don't know what she was getting at.[/QUOTE]Thanks PI, so it means that Sovanmee's report from 08-30-09 still is pretty much valid?
[QUOTE=Sovanmee, 08-30-09]Hi all,
I would like to inform all of you guys about the night life scence in Phnom Penh. Currently the hostes bars, pub and disco are running thier business as usual. As like a bounch street 104 (Rose bar, Zanzibar, 104bar.), 108street (golden wine bar, zapata bar.), 136 street (Palm Bar, 136 Bar, 69 Bar, Up and Down Bar.), Sharky's Bar, DV8, Mikado, Le Cyrce, Shang Hai, Walkabout and Matiny Bar. And also back to normal the brothels along 63street and 145street.
Cheers[/QUOTE]That would be enough for the few days I'll be there, then.
BTW: Is the Canby map still available for free?
[QUOTE=Barri]
BTW: Is the Canby map still available for free?[/QUOTE]
Hey Barri,
Just wanted to let you know how much I appreciated all the work you put into the maps in Indo.
A fellow ISG member and I returned recently and used many of your helpful info. Many thanks, owe you a beer (or 2).
Oh, back to your question. The answer is YES. I usually pick one up at the airport as there seems to be a new version of the map every year. If they are out of them at the airport, the Walkabout or the Flamingo hotels will have a few lying around also, so just go in and ask them at the desk.
PT
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Yeah not a bad summation christopherd.
There is no doubt that the KR were murderous bastards but we bombed them into madness and then we supported them for nearly ten years at the UN.
In my opinion we committed a crime as great as the KR themselves in their heyday.
But we must move on.
I love the Cambodians still.
There are three in my house tonight, sound asleep whilst I drink good, cheap australian red wine.[/QUOTE]
Yeah let's forgive the genocide, it wasn't their fault after all. "They were driven to it by us." Groan. Is this the kind of weirdness Dr Richner is talking about? I guess the real blame for the holocaust falls to the Austrian art school professor who gave Hitler a C then. Yeah sorry guys, we live in a world where if you murder you own personal responsibliity for it. There's no get out of jail due to 'understandable madness' card. Re responsibility, who let North Vietnam set up active bases and the Ho Chi Minh trail inside Cambodia to attack south Vietnam from with a war going on a few miles away?
I dunno, maybe Dr B isn't saying anything like this. But this probably isn't the best place to discuss your unconventional opinion about a genocide. I think Christopher's first idea to keep it to PM for anyone interested was the wise way to go.
This doesn't have anything to do with loving Cambodian people or not, unless you're thinking of including guys who personally killed dozens of innocent pepole (incl women & children) on your list of loved ones. I'd just think it would be bizarre to think someone who was torturing and murdering should be forgiven or allowed to blame it all on someone else. If you need to look for a foreign contribution, werent' they Maoists?
What is the going daily rate for a car + driver in PNH?
No big trips, just the usual daytime and evening sightseeing/mongering?
Dear Sir,
My currently rate is $35/day around Phnom Penh,for 9 or 10hrs.
Cheers
Wendella, you're an experienced monger and a valuable contributor on this and other ISG forums, so I really don't want to antagonise you, believe me mate!
There's stuff I feel strongly about but am aware people easily misinterpret as anti-this or anti-that and when it comes to country politics everyone to their own, we're all visitors or ex-pats in Cambodia.
On the simplest level. without taking any 'position' on it, or saying whether it's right or wrong, there's a gulf between a general 'Cambodian' view of their history and the view held by the rest of the world. Just as there is in Hong Kong (tho in a different way) over what being a British colony was all about. Most historical accounts are selective on facts, even before they get to opinions and blaming.
The Cambodians as a nation, and this is one of the remarkable things for me, are one of the most kicked about nations and at the same time the least blaming of anyone. They just don't expend the effort. I think they're too busy trying to stay alive.
Currently the Thais are (and often have been) sh*ts in Khmer eyes. The Thais argue over territory and (like the rest of Cambodia's neighbours lol) usually win. The Vietnamese are the traditional enemies of Cambodia but in the good books these days as being the conquerers that at least expelled Pol Pot. (Frickin' sad really - their best friends are their least worst enemies.)
I am always curious about how other countries define themselves - and how well they back up their facts with undisputed evidence of course. At the evidence level, there's not that much disagreement. They seem to stop when it comes to the blame level. Just that we don't.
I think I'm right in saying that one of the literal translations of 'Siem Reap' is 'Siamese Flattened.' Imagine that. Their greatest treasure is also their greatest humiliation. I have never encountered a people that handle so many decades of defeat and humiliation with such tranquillity and even laughter. It is very puzzling at first.
Dr Beat Richner has sweet f.a. to do with politics of course. The NGOs he's critical of are the medical ones. He's also critical of most foreign medical models as he can prove pretty convincingly that his model is more cost-efficient in saving lives (happy to explain in detail but hardly appropriate here?). He's a national hero as he's set up three hospitals (the biggest afaiai in Cambodia) and all funded through donations, and saving millions of lives (esp TB and burns) through simple cost-effective measures. He's Swiss-born, so also a bit of a Swiss hero (having shamed his home country into donating pharmaceuticals). But one of his biggest contributions is the training progranms for Cambodian doctors (almost all staff are native Cambodian).
When you look at his organisation's set-up (and it's really worth looking at!), it's one of those reality-check moments. There's no denying what he achieves - your tuktuk driver probably sends his kids there for free Western-standards treatment - yet governments and NGOs have bureaucratic and political encumbrances that prevent them from doing so well. Whatever the rights and wrongs of anybody, there's a radically different version of what is real depending on your experience and evidence in front of you. There's no argument - just no crossover either.
So it's like that with the whole era surrounding Pol-Pot, and whatever words we choose they're wrong in some way or other. But experience is good. Going to the war memorials, the killing fields. Not to make any judgement. But just to find out things you can verify beyond any dount in your own mind.
Another big reality-perception gap was the massive (biggest in history maybe?) international and NGO aid program to establish democratic elections in Cambodia. So much effort. So much money. And the best laid plans of mice'n'men, politicians, NGOs - were a trifling thing to overthrow as soon as everyone left. And some of their efforts (when we take into consideration 'little things like problems of sexual abuse in many forms or the national economy') even made things worse.
Cambodia is a complex place that easily resists Western 'solutions.' I find that fascinating in itself. I'm not really into casting aspersions. Neither (remarkably I think) are they.
The question of the Pol Pot era and the back-to-basics f*cked-up communism-at-its-worst is a massively complex question that bedazzled the sh*t out of me for months. I sat down and wrote several timelines, comparing accounts and so on. Just to get my head round it. It's as complex as the Angkor Wat period of fighting the Chams, at least. There's so many divergent and equally sincere perspectives and they're all life-and-death valid. So getting hold of relevant facts and timelines without judging is a big enough job. There will always be someone who will say, 'they're to blame,' or 'no, they're to blame.' I've met people who were forced to kill-or-be-killed. Forced not just at gunpoint but watching their children's heads/brains smashed against a tree till they 'cooperated.' I've tried to interview war survivors and had to stop as younger relatives' eyes fill with tears at the pain of fathers' remembrances. There's a point where I don't give a flying f*ck who was right or wrong, just who can do some good.
I asked one man (a tuktuk driver I'd got to know over a period, one with a degree he would never use as well) after talking about the horrors Cambodia has lived through, if he hoped there would be a better day for his children when they grew up. I realised too late it was the sort of 'let's look on the frickin' bright side' -type question that we tend to round sad conversations off with in the West. He looked awkward trying to find an honest reply that was the kind of 'upbeat' one the question implicitly asked for.
Eventually he looked up, and said, "Maybe for my children's children." It was one (of many in my stay) saddest things I'd ever heard.Not only the lack of hope. But the complete acceptance of the lack of hope. And then they smile duh!
So I kind of puts things in proportion for me. I sit in that nice monastery a stone's throw from Walkabout. A nice day's shaggin' then we sit in silent meditation for an hour till a monk rings a little bell and says, 'Any questions?'
[QUOTE=Wendella]Yeah let's forgive the genocide, it wasn't their fault after all. "They were driven to it by us." Groan. Is this the kind of weirdness Dr Richner is talking about? I guess the real blame for the holocaust falls to the Austrian art school professor who gave Hitler a C then. Yeah sorry guys, we live in a world where if you murder you own personal responsibliity for it. There's no get out of jail due to 'understandable madness' card. Re responsibility, who let North Vietnam set up active bases and the Ho Chi Minh trail inside Cambodia to attack south Vietnam from with a war going on a few miles away?
I dunno, maybe Dr B isn't saying anything like this. But this probably isn't the best place to discuss your unconventional opinion about a genocide. I think Christopher's first idea to keep it to PM for anyone interested was the wise way to go.
This doesn't have anything to do with loving Cambodian people or not, unless you're thinking of including guys who personally killed dozens of innocent pepole (incl women & children) on your list of loved ones. I'd just think it would be bizarre to think someone who was torturing and murdering should be forgiven or allowed to blame it all on someone else. If you need to look for a foreign contribution, werent' they Maoists?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Christopherd]Wendella, you're an experienced monger and a valuable contributor on this and other ISG forums, so I really don't want to antagonise you, believe me mate!'[/QUOTE]
Me too -- this probably isn't a suitable subject for this thread, better we go PM.
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Hey Barri,
Just wanted to let you know how much I appreciated all the work you put into the maps in Indo.
A fellow ISG member and I returned recently and used many of your helpful info. Many thanks, owe you a beer (or 2).
Oh, back to your question. The answer is YES. I usually pick one up at the airport as there seems to be a new version of the map every year. If they are out of them at the airport, the Walkabout or the Flamingo hotels will have a few lying around also, so just go in and ask them at the desk.
PT[/QUOTE]Hehe, I guess I'm kind of a map freak :). I read about your and Sharkas adventures, and I'm glad you had use of the 'Absolute Sanur X' maps. I see now that my old Phnom Penh map is outdated, but you told me before I could as well rely on the Canby map, thats why I asked.
I'll PM you when I'm in PP for that beer ;)
Cheers,
Barri
Not sure that you comprehend wendella.
Firstly the king was to blame for inviting the viets in, as he was to blame for much of cambodias recent problems(post 1953 I mean).
No democracy here, one can hardly blame the people.
He picked a winner and he was right, but it is obviuos to me that without sanctuaries in laso and Cambodia the viets were fucked.
Allied with this was the huge quantities of munitions coming up the highway from kompong saom, imported from China.
Probably about half the stuff the viets consumed came throught the parrots beak this way.
Why the US did not destroy the port or the highway beats me, they bombed the bejesus out of everything else.
Now the bombing, the Us had recently admitted that the bombing started in 65 not much later as we thought.
The B52 raids started in 1969 and the scale was awesome.
They bombed in boxes, something like 4ks wide and 12 ks long and one could not see the planes.
The say it drove people mad-well why wouldn't it. All the books say this and I know Cambodians who still have nighmares over the bombing.
The other thing it did was to drive over a million refugees into phnom penh where many died in the streets when the KR blockade was enforced.
I have been here over three years now and I speak with a lot of people in the bush and I think that I understand what happened.
I can't find any information about this hotel on the forum.
Can anyone who has stayed post a brief review, and, most importantly, let us know if it is GF?
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Not sure that you comprehend wendella.[/QUOTE]
I might more than I let on -- just PM'd you. OK if we keep it in PM? After reading your PM today, I'd say I probly read more into what you meant than you intended. Agree its complex, but still believe torturing/killing innocent people is considered a crime by people in all countries. Cambodians might be different, but they're not that different.
Hi Guys,
Have booked a hotel (Amber Villa) in PP for beginning of January but just read that it is in the middle of the NGO area. Does this mean it is not going to be GF? Are most PP hotels GF?
Can you suggest other GF Hotels (apart from Walkabout)?
Thanks for your help.
Cheers,
Bubba
Just about every hotel in PP is GF. Don't worry
[QUOTE=Christopherd]I've met NGOs in Cambodia who are traumatised with frustration. They're not all well-paid 'do-gooders. ' But the frustration arises from a total lack of understanding. They go out there with the best of intentions and it's only when confronted with reality, when they see Cambodia through Cambodian eyes, that they realise how hopelessly ineffectual their well-laid plans will B. And by then it's mostly too late. And it happens in every area, right down to telling the Cambodians how to grow rice.
If you read textbooks or wikibooks on Cambodia. On something as simple as, say, the Pol Pot regime, then start investigating the truth once you're out there, you quickly realise how the picture of Cambodia in Western eyes is painted in sanitised colours that make sense of the 'world order' we have come to live with. The truth about the Pol Pot history, for instance, is far too unpalatable when the truth sinks in about the West's role. So we get the 'simplified' version. People go to Cambodia with not just insufficient information but [I]wrong[/I] information. This goes for the monger who's only interested in his hole, for the NGO that wants 'to make a difference' and for the normal, decent human being who just wants to visit.
For people reading this whose interest in Cambodia goes beyond getting laid, can I earnestly encourage you to consider visiting [URL="http://www.Beat-richner. Ch/"] Beat Richner's[/URL] Saturday night cello concerts in Siem Reap. It's one charity/NGO that knows what it's doing, decries the cack-handed attempts of the half-cocked NGOs in the country, and saves the lives of millions of children. 'Dr Beat' is a legend in Cambodia. Almost any tuktuk driver has heard of Beat Richner. If you want to give some money (or some blood) this is one place where it won't be wasted.
Sorry to go on. But for the many people maybe reading this that look beyond the surface, are suitably horrified, and feel helpless to help or even see a way forward for Cambodia, Richner is a strong light in a dark tunnel.
Re the last post about movies. Haven't seen that one, the filmmaker concerned is a celebrated Cambodian director who has won awards from Cannes and Amnesty International. Cambodia is a great place to learn about Cambodia. Soak up the films, books and so on. Let's face it, you need something to fill in the hours when not eating sleeping and seeking pussy.[/QUOTE]There is 3 kind of tourist in Cambodia. Those only coming only for p4p and regular tourist coming for seeing monument etc. Both will come with their wrong version about Cambodian culture and history,
You have a third category those coming in Cambodia for p4p or any other reason and fall in love with the country.
You don t need to make donation to "DR Beat" to have good conscience. You can simply do simple things by yourself. Like offering a meal to street kids, or offering board, pens, exercises books to a school, buy rice bag to orphan institution in the counrtyside. I ve heard hundred of story from simple anonymous " travelers" giving usefull donation. (sorry but since my experience with the khmer legend M. S I trust nobody in Cambodia)
Most of NGo come to Cambodia thinking they are God, they come to give lessons to poor rural farmer about how to grow the rice. But this farmer got his knowldege from his father, that keep it from his father, that keep it from his father.; and an NGO member come with his science and no single word of khmer language, telling him he know nothings. But what do the NGO? They give their technical lesson during 3 or 6 month and they told them goodbye living them in the same situation as they was before. So after their leave the farmer will come back to grow the rice like his ancestors did it. NGo are out of the real Cambodia
Come in any supermarket in Cambodia and look about goods made by Ngo in Cambodia? What you will find?: jam fruit, taco sauce, pasta sauce. Goods not in the khmer nutrition. But who care? They got credit from foreign government to do it. Money runs NGO as usual.
Rithy Pahn got award for his report about S-21. Which is not his best report. But Rithy Pahn is Khmer and show the present Cambodia through Cambodian eyes. He has view that barang will never get simply because we was not borned Khmer. Rithy Pahn let the ordinary Khmer talking about their present life simply; he s not against NGo. He ever got support from foreign government and some ngo.
Sure we can face the real Cambodia by ourself. But be carefull it take time, open mind and what we see is not often the truth.; (look the number of "Thailand expert" who are expert of nothing in reality)
Please note that almost all the history book about recent Cambodian past was writting by Barang. Not by khmer.; that could be the explanation of the "simpliest version"
Cheers
[QUOTE=Channy]There is 3 kind of tourist in Cambodia. Those only coming only for p4p and regular tourist coming for seeing monument etc. Both will come with their wrong version about Cambodian culture and history,
You have a third category those coming in Cambodia for p4p or any other reason and fall in love with the country.
You don t need to make donation to "DR Beat" to have good conscience. You can simply do simple things by yourself. Like offering a meal to street kids, or offering board, pens, exercises books to a school, buy rice bag to orphan institution in the counrtyside. I ve heard hundred of story from simple anonymous " travelers" giving usefull donation. (sorry but since my experience with the khmer legend M. S I trust nobody in Cambodia)
Most of NGo come to Cambodia thinking they are God, they come to give lessons to poor rural farmer about how to grow the rice. But this farmer got his knowldege from his father, that keep it from his father, that keep it from his father.; and an NGO member come with his science and no single word of khmer language, telling him he know nothings. But what do the NGO? They give their technical lesson during 3 or 6 month and they told them goodbye living them in the same situation as they was before. So after their leave the farmer will come back to grow the rice like his ancestors did it. NGo are out of the real Cambodia
Come in any supermarket in Cambodia and look about goods made by Ngo in Cambodia? What you will find?: jam fruit, taco sauce, pasta sauce. Goods not in the khmer nutrition. But who care? They got credit from foreign government to do it. Money runs NGO as usual.
Rithy Pahn got award for his report about S-21. Which is not his best report. But Rithy Pahn is Khmer and show the present Cambodia through Cambodian eyes. He has view that barang will never get simply because we was not borned Khmer. Rithy Pahn let the ordinary Khmer talking about their present life simply; he s not against NGo. He ever got support from foreign government and some ngo.
Sure we can face the real Cambodia by ourself. But be carefull it take time, open mind and what we see is not often the truth.; (look the number of "Thailand expert" who are expert of nothing in reality)
Please note that almost all the history book about recent Cambodian past was writting by Barang. Not by khmer.; that could be the explanation of the "simpliest version"
Cheers[/QUOTE]Channy,
Good response. I agree 100%
Mr Bob
great post, Channy
[QUOTE=Barri]Hehe, I guess I'm kind of a map freak :).. I see now that my old Phnom Penh map is outdated, but you told me before I could as well rely on the Canby map, thats why I asked.
I'll PM you when I'm in PP for that beer ;)
Cheers,
Barri[/QUOTE]
Actually, if you have one of the older maps of PP by Canby, it is still 90% -95% usable. The streets are the same on the newer maps, but the only changes are new bars or hotels will be on the new maps and older non-existing places will be deleted.
Hell, I still have an older map that shows the location of the famous BJ place Sophie , but new map will not have this as it no longer exist (sad).
I'll have to owe you that beer next time I make it back to Indo or PP as my vacation is over and I'm currently back at home and (arrgg: work) and watching the snow outside wishing I was back between some gals legs in the topical heat. Well, a man can still daydream until my next trip.
PT
[QUOTE=Christopherd]great post, Channy[/QUOTE]
didn't the angkor empire implode due to mishandling agriculture? maybe if some ngo's had been around then, things woulda turned out differently
looked like some pretty wide brush strokes in that post to me.... and didn't you just get done saying the cambodians dont' like to blame? that post seems to show opposite-- as did what i heard of Dr. B.
i bet if i did a quick search i'd find there actually are books written on these subjects by cambodians. and whether or not, what's wrong with foreigners writing about it? it seems less like sth foreigners can't understand as sth some people don't want scrutinized, esp by outsiders. Damage control in other words. Judging by the things i've heard about KR, and by translations of signs i read at S-21 and elsewhere, i actually dont' think we're talking about sth very complex but actually just the opposite. If anything, one's struck by the frightening simplicity of it all, and how obvious and crude it all is.
I have this Khmer GF, which I have had for the past 5 months. She is from a hostess bar on 136 and she has not had any other man since. I love her dearly but I can tell she is getting a little ornary. I would like someone to take her for free ST. PM me for contact.
[QUOTE=Wendella]didn't the angkor empire implode due to mishandling agriculture? maybe if some ngo's had been around then, things woulda turned out differently[/quote]
Whatever . . . Look, I don't know whether to continue the conversation, but if we do I think a separate thread would be called for (if enough people are interested). If not, I don't see much need to challenge Phil Istin's summary, and had actually written a longer more analytical response to what I thought was a good post by Channy - but lost it as I'm just typing on my phone. I'm happy to discuss it with you, I'm not sure how much I disagree with you (ie, a bit or a lot), but at what point are people going to say make way for p4p info??
Agriculture - afaiaa, in part. Also in part to overextension of resources in building programs - not that there's very clear records that far back and it has to be done by analysis and tested inference (eg Maurice Glaize's work). But NGOs can't usually do much about droughts and floods.
[quote]
looked like some pretty wide brush strokes in that post to me....
[/quote] but some rather good ones IMHO
[quote]didn't you just get done saying the cambodians dont' like to blame? that post seems to show opposite-- as did what i heard of Dr. B.
[/quote] Do maybe check him out - I posted the link - he's Swiss anyway. What's wrong in finding uplifting archetypes? Or do you prefer just to carp? What's the shared objective, if there is one?
[quote]
i bet if i did a quick search i'd find there actually are books written on these subjects by cambodians. and whether or not, what's wrong with foreigners writing about it?
[/quote] well search away. And it's not about an author's nationality so much as the degree of scientific rigor.
[quote]Judging by the things i've heard about KR, and by translations of signs i read at S-21 and elsewhere, i actually dont' think we're talking about sth very complex but actually just the opposite. If anything, one's struck by the frightening simplicity of it all, and how obvious and crude it all is.[/QUOTE]
well yes, especially if you just want go by translations of a few signs. Life and death can always be simplistic. And the PP regime was literally simplistic in concept. Whatever. The more you dig, the more you'll find.
I agree about that part, I didn't think it was a very good idea to get into this topic, either introducing it or continuing it.
At this point, I still think it's probably best to let this one fade to the background, and anyone wanting to continue on the topic to instead post it in PM to the person you think you want to address it to.
I'm done talking about this here, just hope no one else decides to add fuel to the fire again. Hoping this can be put to bed finally. If someone does do that tho, I also hope nobody decides to congratulate them for it. Cuz that also would add fuel.
[QUOTE=Barri]I see now that my old Phnom Penh map is outdated...[/Quote][QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Actually, if you have one of the older maps of PP by Canby, it is still 90% -95% usable. [/QUOTE]Acually, I meant [b] my [/b] old map; [post]547549[/post], and the non-existing places are there. [QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]I'll have to owe you that beer next time I make it back to Indo or PP as my vacation is over and I'm currently back at home and (arrgg: work) and watching the snow outside wishing I was back between some gals legs in the topical heat. Well, a man can still daydream until my next trip.[/QUOTE]Have just left the snow for a while myself. Enjoy your White Christmas! I will enjoy SEA heat for a while.
Cheers,
Barri
[QUOTE=Mahoman]I have this Khmer GF, which I have had for the past 5 months. She is from a hostess bar on 136 and she has not had any other man since. I love her dearly but I can tell she is getting a little ornary. I would like someone to take her for free ST. PM me for contact.[/QUOTE]Apparently you cannot receive PMs. I am in PP through Saturday morning, and I am interested in the post. Is there a catch?
Bule 2004
Hi all,
I will be making my 1st trip to PP. Having read almost all the reports, I am still a little confuse and hope somebody can help me.
Where are the recommended places to get a massage and HJ? And what is the price that I should be paying. I do not want to be tricked or tempted into paying more. How long is each session and are these massage places clean and safe?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Bule2004]Apparently you cannot receive PMs. I am in PP through Saturday morning, and I am interested in the post. Is there a catch?
Bule 2004[/QUOTE]Sorry for the late reply but we are now back in BB and I was pressed for time. There is no catch. I know what this woman needs even though she won't admit it. I will post another opportunity within in the next few days for either Siem Reap or PP.
[QUOTE=Blue Phone]Hi all,
I will be making my 1st trip to PP. Having read almost all the reports, I am still a little confuse and hope somebody can help me.
Where are the recommended places to get a massage and HJ? And what is the price that I should be paying. I do not want to be tricked or tempted into paying more. How long is each session and are these massage places clean and safe?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Not a great country for massages this, Thailand is much better.
PP has quite a few places but quality and experiences vary widely.
Try sakura or the new york hotel or the heaven massage in st 136.
Probably pay a few dollars an hour for the massage and ten to twenty for the girls services.
Prepared to be disappointed though.
This is a country for free lancers and hostess bars and chicken farms.
Go to Thailand.
[QUOTE=Blue Phone]Hi all,
I will be making my 1st trip to PP. Having read almost all the reports, I am still a little confuse and hope somebody can help me.
Where are the recommended places to get a massage and HJ? And what is the price that I should be paying. I do not want to be tricked or tempted into paying more. How long is each session and are these massage places clean and safe?
Thanks[/QUOTE]To Blue phone
There are many massage place and fish bowl all over PP, many low end place around central market and 64th st 90 min massage is 10 USD FS will cost you another 25 USD tip, even a high end massage place in a 4 star hotel is only 25 USD and another 35 USD tip for FS, but I find the skill of the masseuse is not as good as in Thailand.
Fast Eddie 48
Took a trip to the Paris Hotel in the late afternoon, which was kinda fun. As I never have high expectations for massage with extras, the best thing I find is to approach it as a bit of fun.
Took the lift to the 3rd floor. Fishbowl had quite a few in it - about 20. Mostly Khmer but a couple of Vietnamese too, or so it seemed.
Picked one that did not have a number as she showed interest. In the room (which was a little less dingy and messy than I remembered), had the usual shower (warm) and she showered separately and was very shy. Then wrapped in a towel, she began the massage for about 10 minutes. Not much English, no BJ, no kissing and just a few tugs and massage to get me excited. Would not take the towel off and would not let me play with her either. But she did have a killer body as it turned out and no babies.
Tried her on top first, then doggie. By this stage she was really into it. Finished in mish and by then the towel had fallen off. She jumped up and ran for the bathroom. Came back wrapped up in the towel and then massaged me a bit more. Kept pampering me. With her very limited English and some sign language, she even asked me if we could become an item! She got dressed with her towel on. Paid $6 for one hour massage and gave her $20. Not really worth it but did not have change. Anyway she was tight and it was different.
Later that evening went to the Voodoo lounge on 104 and got almost the opposite treatment. This time I was not really looking for anything but was picked out by one of the girls. She cuddled me for an hour then, without being asked, began DFK and fondling me in the bar. Barfined her ($5) and we went to a guest house for $7 for two hours - I could not bring her back to my hotel as they know my family.
This one was a real tiger. BBJ was given without asking. And she really liked to kiss and wanted me to fuck her deep. She had two kids before but not much evidence of it. Did her two times but could not cum as had already done so with the massage girl and this one was not as tight. I would have been happy with one time but she insisted and had to get me going again. Only thing was she was a bit rough on the member. But very enjoyable all the same. Paid her $20 and gave her $1 for a modop.
Will be passing through PP on business. Would like a nice, clean place to get a good massage with HE. Mentioned 4 star hotels in previous posts. Any specific names as I doubt the one I'm staying at (raffles) will be on of them. Passing through for 2 days so not a lot of time. Then back to Korea.
Greetings Gents -
To get right to the point of my post, I've heard that somewhere in Cambodia you can rent AK-47's and blaze away at various targets like old junk cars and such. True? If so I am so there as I think it would be great fun. After all, you have to have something to do while recovering for another session with the local talent...LDP
[QUOTE=LuvDaPuss]Greetings Gents -
To get right to the point of my post, I've heard that somewhere in Cambodia you can rent AK-47's and blaze away at various targets like old junk cars and such. True? If so I am so there as I think it would be great fun. After all, you have to have something to do while recovering for another session with the local talent...LDP[/QUOTE]
Yes there's many places. Think I reported on a PP one a while back, about an hour out of town on bad weather/traffic.
You just pay for the ammo. I found it disgusting, but something I wanted to try. The smell of the burning oil and the kickback are strong sensations. They will also provide a cow if you want to try a rocket launcher (not my taste).
Ask your driver for the Shooting Range. You can do the Killing Fields same trip as the direction's not a million miles away. Have some sensitivity for the driver's feelings when deciding which order to do them in.
The one I went to had standard targets for AK47s and similar. Old cars sound fun. Maybe a bigger weapon? Do you have a big wallet too though? ;)
[QUOTE=ClarKent]Will be passing through PP on business. Would like a nice, clean place to get a good massage with HE. Mentioned 4 star hotels in previous posts. Any specific names as I doubt the one I'm staying at (raffles) will be on of them. Passing through for 2 days so not a lot of time. Then back to Korea.[/QUOTE]
It depends on how happy you want your ending to be. Don't bother too much with the massage places in the tourist areas. You may get HJ in the massage places off the beaten track or in some of the the large Asian style hotels. FS is available in Paris Hotel (Kampuchea Krom road) or Luxury World Hotel (Monivong) and I assume that HJ is also available but probably not BJ - FS is generally available in any place you find that has a fish-bowl. There is also a kind of fishbowl around the corner from Walkabout where FS maybe available but I am not sure if it is still open for business. Let me know if you find more places with fishbowls.
For cleanliness and if you are not worried about paying up extra cash, go to the Luxury World Hotel. Only go into the place that has the fishbowl - I think there is a legit massage place there too but cannot remember. Ask for a VIP room (extra $3, I think). Khmer girls are the cheapest for tips but the last time I was there the Khmer girl was not happy with the $20 I offered for FS and was only marginally happy with $25.
I have had very mixed experiences in massage places in Cambodia - in one very basic place I asked for HJ and was firmly turned down. I immediately thought that I was in the wrong kind of place. Then the girl said firmly "only boom-book." But that was a hole in the wall place in Sihanookville, now closed.
I also got FS/HJ in places where you never expect it and nothing at all in places where you would think there is a good chance of something. I recently went into a bar that also offered massage - dingy room but ok. Nothing was offered but teased the girl a bit and got FS and DFK. FS may not be normally available there as the girl told me no way for boom boom as no condoms were available. When I pulled out my own condoms, she immediately agreed without naming any price. But she asked me to keep quiet about it with the management. So I think there they are only supposed to do HJ. I paid her $20 and she was very happy with that.
[QUOTE=LuvDaPuss]Greetings Gents -
To get right to the point of my post, I've heard that somewhere in Cambodia you can rent AK-47's and blaze away at various targets like old junk cars and such. True? If so I am so there as I think it would be great fun. After all, you have to have something to do while recovering for another session with the local talent...LDP[/QUOTE]
It's on offer everywhere. Check the pic for prices.
[QUOTE=LuvDaPuss]Greetings Gents.
To get right to the point of my post, I've heard that somewhere in Cambodia you can rent AK-47's and blaze away at various targets like old junk cars and such. True? If so I am so there as I think it would be great fun. After all, you have to have something to do while recovering for another session with the local talent. LDP[/QUOTE]You go to the military base out past the airport, about twenty minutes in the tuk tuk. There is an outside range for handguns and an inside range for machine guns.
It costs about $1. 20 a round which is not bad.
One can shoot a chicken or duck for a few dollars extra, and one can throw hand grenades into a pond.
One can not shoot a car.
But the rounds are all reloaded and often jam so remember that this is Cambodia.
One can still hire a cow for about $200 and shoot at it with a rocket launcher.
[QUOTE=LuvDaPuss]Greetings Gents.
To get right to the point of my post, I've heard that somewhere in Cambodia you can rent AK-47's and blaze away at various targets like old junk cars and such. True? If so I am so there as I think it would be great fun. After all, you have to have something to do while recovering for another session with the local talent. LDP[/QUOTE]I went with my driver to this place last month. It is not a rumour. For $40 you can fire off an m16, an ak47, and a shotgun among other things. I opted for the good ole M16. It was my first time shooting anything and it was loads of fun. I recommend the single shot setting as rapid fire will be done in like 5 minutes. I was not offered any targets like cows, or chickens, though I understand that this was possible a few years back. Be sure to buy your memento t-shirt when you are done. Enjoy.
By the way, check out somaly's and avoid 63rd street unless you want to waste money.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]One can still [b]hire[/b] a cow for about $200 and shoot at it with a rocket launcher.[/QUOTE]
You mean you bring back the bits and pieces after you are done, they put the cow back together again and hire it out to the next guy?
[QUOTE=Daddy San]You mean you bring back the bits and pieces after you are done, they put the cow back together again and hire it out to the next guy?[/QUOTE]Aren't you rather assuming everyone is a good aim . . . ? :o
[QUOTE=Christopherd]Aren't you rather assuming everyone is a good aim . . . ? :o[/QUOTE]
I thought Stingers were heat-seeking..
But you're right, not everyone has the basic must-have Taliban training!
[QUOTE=Simian]For cleanliness and if you are not worried about paying up extra cash, go to the Luxury World Hotel. Only go into the place that has the fishbowl - I think there is a legit massage place there too but cannot remember. Ask for a VIP room (extra $3, I think). Khmer girls are the cheapest for tips but the last time I was there the Khmer girl was not happy with the $20 I offered for FS and was only marginally happy with $25.QUOTE]When going to Luxury World turn left after entering and go up the stairs. Once up the stairs if you turn left there is a legit massage place and if you turn right you will see the fishbowl.
i assume they rent out the chinese made b-40 rocket-propelled grenade launcher, the one you see a lot in iraq. i've seen up close the armored front of an apc melted like wax, when hit by this rocket at close range.
unless the cow was running around at high speed, it's hard to miss within 200-300 yards.
if it hits the target, the shape charge would have a small entry hole, but would tear a large exit hole on the other side, practically blow away most of the cow.
$200 is a very good price for a cow. they must be renting it again and again, and selling a lot of rpg rounds to the frustrated mongers.
[QUOTE=Peter Pan 2009]I assume they rent out the chinese made B-40 rocket-propelled grenade launcher, the one you see a lot in Iraq.[/QUOTE]
They rent out whatever they've got. Chinese, Russian, American, anything. This is Cambodia. And if it has fallen off the back of a dodgier-than-usual-looking lorry, you may get it cut-price or half-price, as I did. And if you're an Iraq veteran you'll probably tell me that's not very safe. Of course it's not. Like I said, this is Cambodia. Enjoy.
I know all about the RPGs, but what about the refurbished cows?
Do the make a new one out of the the remains of two?
[QUOTE=Asianpussylover] I opted for the good ole M16. It was my first time shooting anything and it was loads of fun. I recommend the single shot setting as rapid fire will be done in like 5 minutes. I was not offered any targets like cows, or chickens, though I understand that this was possible a few years back. Be sure to buy your memento t-shirt when you are done. Enjoy.
.[/QUOTE]
I've been to the shooting range several times in the past and there is actually more than one range to choose from.
Also the M-16 on full auto (rapid fire) will empty the magazine in several seconds, not 5min.
And yes, chickens can still be rented out for target practice at one of the ranges (not sure if all ranges provide this service). Cows are also available but from past experience, they must be reserved in advance. But as stated, this hobby is NOT cheap. I never reserved a cow but if its going for $200, then thats the price of 10 gals LT. Hmm, a cow or 10gals, tough choice.
PT
I've been living here for a few months so I will try and write full report.
First, the language. Thankfully it is not tonal as in thai, so it is not that bad to pick up. Try and learn a few phrases and the number system, it will help out.
Moto - general prices are( day or night, there should be no difference.
Sharky - riverside 2000 real
Riverside to heart/walkabout - 1 dollar
Riverside to martine - 1.5 dollar
Martine / heart 1 dollar
Riverside / Soriya market 1 dollar
Airport - riverside 3/4 dollars max, if tuk asks for more tell them to take a hike.
These aren't the cheapest prices and you can negotiate.
If a moto will not take your price ask the next guy.
The freelancer bars/clubs
Pontoon - now closed
Sharkys 130st, busy after 8pm lots of variety, lots of vietnamese girls here, clears out (ish) after 11 where the girls go elsewhere. Sharky girls try and add 5 dollars plus to the prices at walkabout. Drinks are cheap.
Walkabout 51st, its a shithole, but the food is good, the girls are cheap and they have 3 pool tables and its open 24hr. Lots of girls on ice and yama, so be warned. General prices are 15 dollars during the day for short time, 25 for long time. Some cute girls here. Be wary as a few guys taking girls back to ther place have had things stolen or been drugged. Hide your stuff. Drinks are cheap.
Heart, 51st. Lots of freelancers, they dress up a bit here. Busy after 11:45/12, so do not bother. Friday and Saturday the girls have to pay to get in unless with a guy. Lots of ngo twats and nigerians selling drugs (no i am not racist, it's what they are doing). Quite a few gay kmer guys and ladyboys so be warned. Kmer guys tend to push past you, so don't start a scene or get uptight. Lots of security around. Drinks are cheap.
Martine. A fair old whack away. There are a couple of moma sans operating here. Large beer garden, 2 bars (one in the club one in the beer garden) nice variety of food. Drinks are more expensive than the other freelancer places. Lots of vietnamese girls, be wary of being offered a "young" girl, ask her age and confirm id. Age of consent for kmer/barang is 18 so ask to see id if you can verify !!! Can be busy as early as 10pm.
Hostess bars. I like hostess bars, but it can be very hit and miss as the hostess is not obligated to go with you and some may even be virgins (yes i know...)
Main strips are 51st, 136, 108, 104, 130
There are a few well known hostess bars that offer short time rooms or bj's, need to ask a local moto or a local barang, wont put the names up in case they get closed.
You CAN pick up girl in a kmer club, but you need to speak a certain amount of kmer, be able to to take things slow a bit with the girl and ignore the kmer guys who try and cock block you - nearly all behave like immature assholes, and they can't dance, lol. Very funny to watch, just for the amusement factor.
PM me for further info if you want or meet for a night on the town.
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Hi,
I am trying to find a map on the hotels in Cambodia. Anyone can recommend me a hotel that is good and have a fishbowl? I heard that the walkabout and flamingo hotel cannot make it but the location is good.
Are they any other hotels near these places but is a good hotel?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]I've been to the shooting range several times in the past and there is actually more than one range to choose from.
Also the M-16 on full auto (rapid fire) will empty the magazine in several seconds, not 5min.
And yes, chickens can still be rented out for target practice at one of the ranges (not sure if all ranges provide this service). Cows are also available but from past experience, they must be reserved in advance. But as stated, this hobby is NOT cheap. I never reserved a cow but if its going for $200, then thats the price of 10 gals LT. Hmm, a cow or 10gals, tough choice.
PT[/QUOTE]
Good to hear that LT is still 20$ :)
Not a bad summation SD.
But why not go to the heart after midnight when its starts pumping-so many nice women.
I got an offer of $3 one night!
It is a happening place as is riverhouse with its disco.
Some lovely upper class khmer girls-if one can speak khmer its really good.
[QUOTE=Tim Bone]Good to hear that LT is still 20$ :)[/QUOTE]
Prices will vary for the gal you pick, but in general, this was about the cheapest LT price you could negotiate for and some will be a bit higher, but that will depend on if you are willing to pay 10-15 more for her and If she's worth it to you- so totally up to you.
PT
The internet tells me that the middle price Green Hotel is located right next to Walkabout - perhaps by the same owner? That tells me the location is ideal. Has anyone tried it? Is it GF? (probably a silly question)
[QUOTE=Blue Phone]Hi,
I am trying to find a map on the hotels in Cambodia. Anyone can recommend me a hotel that is good and have a fishbowl? I heard that the walkabout and flamingo hotel cannot make it but the location is good.
Are they any other hotels near these places but is a good hotel?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Luxury World Hotel has a fishbowl. From the enterance turn left 90degree's and walk upstairs. Over 100 ladies in there I'd guess. Far left are "superstar/VIP" China Girls. (I didn't see what the fuss was as they looked at the wrong side of 35/40 to me), center is Khmer girls and the far right are Viets. The Viet girl I took was a spinner but wouldnt give me a BJ and wanted $50. Take a girl thats smiling and waving to you rather than one that looks hot but is avoiding eyecontact with you.
Paris Hotel has a much smaller fishbowl. 3rd floor iirc.
Rooms are well basic. Bed, Shower, Toilet.
If your staying at these hotels I'm not sure if you can get them to come to your room. Paris Hotel I believe they will.
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]The internet tells me that the middle price Green Hotel is located right next to Walkabout - perhaps by the same owner? That tells me the location is ideal. Has anyone tried it? Is it GF? (probably a silly question)[/QUOTE]
Its not open yet. Its the longest construction project I have ever seen. I think there may be a lack of funds that is slowing the building. It will be a least another few months before it opens even if the were working on it every day.
Green hotel came to a sceaming halt months ago as the boys were fabricating the furniture for the rooms.
Something fishy about it all.
First trip to Phnom Penh coming up, and I am seeking a hotel that is OK to bring girls back to, with no 'walk of shame'.
(Apologies in advance if this information is often asked for on this forum.)
Which of these are girl-friendly?
Sunway Hotel
Goldiana Hotel
Golden Gate Hotel
Anise Hotel
[QUOTE=Backtobasics]First trip to Phnom Penh coming up, and I am seeking a hotel that is OK to bring girls back to, with no 'walk of shame'.
(Apologies in advance if this information is often asked for on this forum.)
Which of these are girl-friendly?
Sunway Hotel
Goldiana Hotel
Golden Gate Hotel
Anise Hotel[/QUOTE]Unfortunatly I can't comment on the hotels mentioned but if you are happy with a hotel in th $35 range I would suggest the Riverstar Hotel which is on the riverside. I stayed there when I was working in PP and it was very girl friendly it is also within walking distance of most of the action
[QUOTE=Backtobasics]First trip to Phnom Penh coming up, and I am seeking a hotel that is OK to bring girls back to, with no 'walk of shame'.
(Apologies in advance if this information is often asked for on this forum.)
Which of these are girl-friendly?
Sunway Hotel
Goldiana Hotel
Golden Gate Hotel
Anise Hotel[/QUOTE]Goldiana is the NGO hotel in town, they accept companions in your room upon presentation of a ID card, which is totally impossible for the girls to have being them 85 % Viets without a proper status.
Sunway: forget it. Expensive and a lot of red tape to get girlz in yr room.
Anise: good, they don't make problems, it is a really good place to stay but it is always full.
Golden Gate; it is a masked-out real brothel. Head there if you wish, but remember the rooms are really a mess. Dirty and unsafe.
Have fun.
If the Green hotel is next to WA on 174? (whatever that side street number is) I stayed there when it had a different name. I think it was shut down for drugs. Anyway - the WA guys were supposed to re-open it but THAT was over a year ago and it was gutted then. Sounds like little has changed.
[QUOTE=Dinghy]If the Green hotel is next to WA on 174? (whatever that side street number is) I stayed there when it had a different name. [/QUOTE]Chip Lay. I had high hopes for the rennovation -- it's a great part of town to stay in and I'm no fan of either the Walkabout or Flamingos. But something's gone wrong and the gutted building is just standing there, nothing happening. Anybody have the story on this?
[QUOTE=Riverstar]I would suggest the Riverstar Hotel [/QUOTE]Any coincidence that your user name is the same as the hotel you recommend? (where is that little whistling icon thingy when you need it?)
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]I've been to the shooting range several times in the past and there is actually more than one range to choose from.
Also the M-16 on full auto (rapid fire) will empty the magazine in several seconds, not 5min.
... Cows are also available (for target practice)
PT[/QUOTE]Think I once found an M16 round in my beef lasagna at one of the PP eateries!
I read about the Heaven Hotel or Thornbury Hotel in the forum. Where are they located? Are these hotels good? How do I book these hotels?
Met someone two nights ago who swears that the green hotel is now open?
Just a brief report on the current scene.
Went out two nights ago wth a canadian mate who is here for the first time and loves a good time.
We went to sharky, my second time in a week after a long abscence and it was good again.
Some lovely young girls, most old boilers have disappeared it seems.
Food is reasonably priced and very good.
Then on to walkabou which was, well walkabou.
About 11. 30 to martini-first time in a year for me. I always bag it, well.
Bloody hell, the dwarf is still at the door and the place is unchanged but there were so many girls.
Viets and khmmer with mamasans selling both, starting price $25.
I imagine that they are thinking short time for $20.
The disco had nice girls too.
Then on to the heart about midnight, about half full then.
Within an hour or so it was jumping, some, no many lovely girls.
My mate was sitting at the bar with a lovely cham girl, reallly beautiful face and good english.
I have known two chams and I like them a lot.
They go off to dance and a cheeky african stole their stools, despite my protests.
I said after they were seated-he was with a white, blonde woman, you can move when my friends come back.
No he said, to which I said-do you understand english!
Cheeky ****.
Anyway the cham girl was hijacked by my big belgian mate leaving the dance floor.
She is my favourite he beamed.
This from a man who has been coming here every year for years now-I have a really good story about he and I from two or three years ago in the heart.
Anyway my mate soon found another lovely young thing and he reported very positively the next day.
We were drinking vodka shooters and anchors in there and I left at maybe 3am?
It was a great night out following a trail that I have often criticised here, sharky, walkabou, martini-good enough for most men!
But to finish at the heart and howies-this really is paradise.
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[QUOTE=RonnieMonger]Think I once found an M16 round in my beef lasagna at one of the PP eateries![/QUOTE]
Then you should save this as the last time I went to these firing ranges you guys are talking about, it was about $1.10 per each M-16 round.
See, just saved you over a buck.
Shark
The difference is intent, which is considered fundamental to determing guilt and the degree of crime committed. Interesting that it's phrased as a rhetorical question, as if it can't be answered, when its so easy to answer.
Probably not a great idea to send such over the top messages like that to another person's inbox. The recipient might be tempted to repost it for all to see, and that wouldn't look too good for the person sending it. I would not do that. Deleted it already. You're safe.
Anyway, it's not a big deal, guess I can understand this being a difficult subject to discuss given the personal situation. Anyway, I'm done talking about this.
Flamingos is really convenient. Walking distance (safe) to Walkabout and the Heart. But the internet is very slow. For those that require vpn to get to other resources, it is too slow. But I quickly overlooked it because after all this is a monger trip and convenience to pussies is paramount.
I've noticed a bar opened right besides Flamingos - Black Cat bar. The Viet girl that I spoke to last night claimed that the owner is the same with the Flamingos.
Al
Hi all,
Just curious,
Boom Boom means FS
Yum Yum means BJ
What's the term use for a simple HJ?
[QUOTE=Blue Phone]Hi all,
Just curious,
Boom Boom means FS
Yum Yum means BJ
What's the term use for a simple HJ?[/QUOTE]Try the hand gesture, it should work just fine.
Hi,
Is Golden Gate hotel girlfriendly?
Is it possible to arrange there for meeting with girls?
Thanks
This is my first post in ISG since I have been silent reader for a while. Its time to contribute.
Total staying 4 days three days in walkabout and one day in one of guesthouse in 104 st.
Walkabout: pros. 1. Good location close to other clubs like shanghai, dark of heart. 2. 24hours never close always have girls available, relatively safe and food is ok beer is cheap about 75c. The room I was staying is on top floor (a bit of climbing) with window cost $15/day. Check in was very simple just one signature no need passport or filling forms. 3. Girls are cheap, I had three of them only paid $10 each, they always ask for 20 but all agreed if insist on 10. All given BBBJ and diff. Positions last about half hour. Attitude wise is good but not great. I had 1 viet and 2 cam.
Cons. 1. In shitty area dirty and room was very basic, feel not safe but nothing bad happened to me guess I was lucky.
2. Girls looks very average between4-6(my taste). Some of skinny one are clearly on drugs.
Overall its good, convenience for quick cheap fuck regardless of the quality and gfe.
To be continue if I got some response and also happy to answer any questions if I can.
Flamingo did wireless (flamingo is either wireless floor by floor or wired at their downstairs stations) video skype for me last year but the actual "up time" was sporadic. When "up" was OK but seemed to go down midday or so for a couple of hours
I heard that Walkabout Hotel has shortime rooms.
Would you know what they cost?
[QUOTE=Benjamin Be]This is my first post in ISG since I have been silent reader for a while. Its time to contribute.
Total staying 4 days three days in walkabout and one day in one of guesthouse in 104 st.
Walkabout: pros. 1. Good location close to other clubs like shanghai, dark of heart. 2. 24hours never close always have girls available, relatively safe and food is ok beer is cheap about 75c. The room I was staying is on top floor (a bit of climbing) with window cost $15/day. Check in was very simple just one signature no need passport or filling forms. 3. Girls are cheap, I had three of them only paid $10 each, they always ask for 20 but all agreed if insist on 10. All given BBBJ and diff. Positions last about half hour. Attitude wise is good but not great. I had 1 viet and 2 cam.
Cons. 1. In shitty area dirty and room was very basic, feel not safe but nothing bad happened to me guess I was lucky.
2. Girls looks very average between4-6(my taste). Some of skinny one are clearly on drugs.
Overall its good, convenience for quick cheap fuck regardless of the quality and gfe.
To be continue if I got some response and also happy to answer any questions if I can.[/QUOTE]
Walkabout had short-time rooms. I believe they no longer do...pressure from the outside.
[QUOTE=Dreams1973]Hi,
Is Golden Gate hotel girlfriendly?
Is it possible to arrange there for meeting with girls?
Thanks[/QUOTE]I too am interested in the answer to this question. I asked a little while ago, but the reply I got:
"Golden Gate; it is a masked-out real brothel. Head there if you wish, but remember the rooms are really a mess. Dirty and unsafe."
somehow doesn't tally with the generally glowing descriptions of it on pucka hotel review sites. I am hoping that it is somewhere in-between, ie: a reasonable nice place to stay, that doesn't turn its nose up at girls in rooms.
Does anyone else have anything to say about it?
[QUOTE=Dinghy]Flamingo did wireless (flamingo is either wireless floor by floor or wired at their downstairs stations) video skype for me last year but the actual "up time" was sporadic. When "up" was OK but seemed to go down midday or so for a couple of hours[/QUOTE]I stayed at Flamingos in 2 different rooms 2 years ago.
The WiFi was adequate for VoIP telephony in both cases.
The WiFi signal strength varies widely with the location of the access point in the corridor w. R. T. The room.
In one of the rooms, I actually had a better signal from an AP located on another floor.
In both cases, the quality of the WiFi was way better, than that of the restaurant..
To change the subject:
Right across the street is (or was) a traditional MP, where I had a super looking 4'9" girl expertly help me with very real back problem on 4 consecutive days, both at the shop and in my room.
As my back got better, I tried to obtain "other" services from her but even $50 would not sway her.
Now my question:
Has anyone ever used that MP and succeeded in getting FS?
I believe there are no more short-time rooms at walkabout. Price start from 10/day(no window) to 30/day(top floor with balcony and Jacuzzi).
I have tried 4 times at that MP, had real good professional massage cost 6/h plus 2 tips never ask for FS why bother? FS is everywhere outside of that MP and plus the girls are not that attractive.
i'm no expert on this but -
for internet usage in phnom penh, "hello" cell company has a 3g network with speeds up to 512k (yeah i know, not real 3g). you can send an sms to activate it daily ($2.70) weekly ($18) or monthly ($70) with unlimited usage. i got the info and flyer from their store. i'm using it on a 24 hour basis. so far so good! through out the town it gets questionable and changes from 3g to edge and the speeds slow down. also i went to the store in sorya and they changed my prepaid plan to $0.07 per min to any network which is down from the 0.11 per min it was at.
you can either tether your phone or put the sim in a usb dongle if you have one.
[quote=daddy san]i stayed at flamingos in 2 different rooms 2 years ago.
the wifi was adequate for voip telephony in both cases.
the wifi signal strength varies widely with the location of the access point in the corridor w. r. t. the room.
in one of the rooms, i actually had a better signal from an ap located on another floor.
in both cases, the quality of the wifi was way better, than that of the restaurant..
have stayed at flamingo twice. never had a problem as far as the wifi was concerned. worked well in the room and at the bar on the ground floor. guess the speed depends on the number of users too.
Hi,
Was recently down in PP and based on reports here checked out Sharky's the location is okay, got the moto taxi to move around, Sharkys does show its age though the quality of talent is nothing to talk about though. Gave it a pass and moved over to nice pub called the lounge by the riverside had a nice time and skipped pp for P4P altogether, the chaotic traffic and air pollution is really bad, the sad part is the US dollar is the currency, *$! Third world facilities first world prices, Thailand is light years ahead of this place.
BB
[quote=dinghy]flamingo did wireless (flamingo is either wireless floor by floor or wired at their downstairs stations) video skype for me last year but the actual "up time" was sporadic. when "up" was ok but seemed to go down midday or so for a couple of hours[/quote]
i was in flamingo's during mid/end november 09.
my flamingo's wifi exp was similar to yours dinghy, though it was down more than up. i had tried connecting to the different floors but still got the same poor connection speeds. i recall one time where nothing would connect on my laptop so i decided to go out for a wander, in the lobby another guest was surfing the web just fine on the hotel pc's so perhaps if your in a pinch you can risk using their pc's.
the mp over the road has a great mp. nothing else is offered from my several visits. some rooms don't have hot water or it wasn't working.
I stumbled across a hostess bar review somewhere on the web and it mentioned Howie's bar - next to the Heart, so I thought I gave it a try b/c Heart is just way too smokey for my well being.
Went there around 10pm and the place was mostly empty. The a/c was dialed to artic zone... there's a reason. Yes the music was pretty good, so I stayed longer than I should. The girls are okay. Also a nice pool table. Something in PP just doesn't agree with me since I arrived, so I'm not my full partying self - still trying to figure out what it is but I think I've found it... later.
I was looking for an excuse to leave Howie's and right there I saw this huge cockroach crawling in a somewhat drunken pace ('cause it was half frozen) from the bar to the pool table. That's it. I threw down my $ and left in a haste. (Might I say, never to return?)
Last night I was still fighting this mild discomfort that PP has giving me. I had slept thru the day, so I should go out at night. Eventually that perpetual sad news from Haiti gave me the strength to get up and go. I went out for a quick bite first. PP is great in that sense. You leave a $1 tip and people's eyes just lit up. Very entertaining.
Anyways, I found a motorcycle to street 104 for $1. I headed straight into Rose Bar. Rose bar was much livelier than Howie's, but probably because it was a Friday? I sat and kept to myself and unfortunately the ones that I was interested in some how all ended up being takeout "food".
Eventually I noticed Anna was always looking out the window, so I think she was itching to get out. 23yo small built nice rack for her size pleasant face. I interrupted her and asked her to sit with me.
Instead of drinking anchor cans, I started drinking Heineken, may be the local beer was making me sick?
Anna has a good friend Molly. Molly is taller, just as slim, sweet face with a naughty-look, small tits and nice ass. As soon as she showed up I knew I made a wrong call earlier... but I can't dump Anna now. I had an idea. So I asked Anna to go dancing with me and I asked her to bring Molly as well. Both girls jumped for joy at that idea (evil grin). Drinks and barfine for both girls came up to be $34.
We went to the Heart and I sat at the bar while the girls danced - it's a nice way to wear them out without me putting in any efforts.
It was 2:30am when I decided to go and both girls followed me back to the hotel. I think at this point everyone knew that everyone else's wish would be fullfilled that night. I negotiated the sandwich price from $40 to $30 each. In reality, both girls were quite new at it. Molly's bbbj was unprofessional - she needs more practice. Pussy was really wet. I had fun with her, but I had to save some performance for Anna. Oh I forgot to mentioned that Anna was too shy, so the sandwich turned into one-after-the-other, while she waited patiently in the washroom!!?? Came Anna's turn. She was really tight (Molly had 1 kid, so not as tight) and I skipped the foreplay and started doing my thing until completion.
Everyone got what s/he wanted and ended the night on a good note. The girls promised me next time will be a real sandwich.
Al
ps. And I felt much better this morning, so I'll stick to imported beer from now on.
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]I was looking for an excuse to leave Howie's and right there I saw this huge cockroach . . . [/QUOTE]Don't start looking too hard for roaches in PP or you won't have any bars left to go to!
I try lots of bars but Rose has stayed pretty much my favorite for a couple years now. Almost always a good lively atmosphere, and plenty of nice girls.
[QUOTE=Black Boots]Hi,
Was recently down in PP and based on reports here checked out Sharky's the location is okay, got the moto taxi to move around, Sharkys does show its age though the quality of talent is nothing to talk about though. Gave it a pass and moved over to nice pub called the lounge by the riverside had a nice time and skipped pp for P4P altogether, the chaotic traffic and air pollution is really bad, the sad part is the US dollar is the currency, *$! Third world facilities first world prices, Thailand is light years ahead of this place.
BB[/QUOTE]First world prices? You're joking, just because they use the currency doesn't mean you pay the same you would in the west. Thailand is much more expensive for P4P compared to to PP, shit you can have a girl for the price of a barfine in Thailand here.
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]I stumbled across a hostess bar review somewhere on the web and it mentioned Howie's bar. Next to the Heart, so I thought I gave it a try b/c Heart is just way too smokey for my well being.
Went there around 10pm and the place was mostly empty. The a/c was dialed to artic zone. There's a reason. Yes the music was pretty good, so I stayed longer than I should. The girls are okay. Also a nice pool table. Something in PP just doesn't agree with me since I arrived, so I'm not my full partying self. Still trying to figure out what it is but I think I've found it. Later.
I was looking for an excuse to leave Howie's and right there I saw this huge cockroach crawling in a somewhat drunken pace ('cause it was half frozen) from the bar to the pool table. That's it. I threw down my $ and left in a haste. (Might I say, never to return?)
Last night I was still fighting this mild discomfort that PP has giving me. I had slept thru the day, so I should go out at night. Eventually that perpetual sad news from Haiti gave me the strength to get up and go. I went out for a quick bite first. PP is great in that sense. You leave a $1 tip and people's eyes just lit up. Very entertaining.
Anyways, I found a motorcycle to street 104 for $1. I headed straight into Rose Bar. Rose bar was much livelier than Howie's, but probably because it was a Friday? I sat and kept to myself and unfortunately the ones that I was interested in some how all ended up being takeout "food".
Eventually I noticed Anna was always looking out the window, so I think she was itching to get out. 23yo small built nice rack for her size pleasant face. I interrupted her and asked her to sit with me.
Instead of drinking anchor cans, I started drinking Heineken, may be the local beer was making me sick?
Anna has a good friend Molly. Molly is taller, just as slim, sweet face with a naughty-look, small tits and nice ass. As soon as she showed up I knew I made a wrong call earlier. But I can't dump Anna now. I had an idea. So I asked Anna to go dancing with me and I asked her to bring Molly as well. Both girls jumped for joy at that idea (evil grin). Drinks and barfine for both girls came up to be $34.
We went to the Heart and I sat at the bar while the girls danced. It's a nice way to wear them out without me putting in any efforts.
It was 2:30am when I decided to go and both girls followed me back to the hotel. I think at this point everyone knew that everyone else's wish would be fullfilled that night. I negotiated the sandwich price from $40 to $30 each. In reality, both girls were quite new at it. Molly's BBBJ was unprofessional. She needs more practice. Pussy was really wet. I had fun with her, but I had to save some performance for Anna. Oh I forgot to mentioned that Anna was too shy, so the sandwich turned into one-after-the-other, while she waited patiently in the washroom! Came Anna's turn. She was really tight (Molly had 1 kid, so not as tight) and I skipped the foreplay and started doing my thing until completion.
Everyone got what s/he wanted and ended the night on a good note. The girls promised me next time will be a real sandwich.
Al
Ps. And I felt much better this morning, so I'll stick to imported beer from now on.[/QUOTE]Don't knock anchor beer, it is great.
It is brewed by tiger and the quality controls are stringent-they send a water sample to europe every week.
Most here like angkor draught but anchor cans.
I always drink with ice now, a la the khmers. In the bush one has no choice, no refrigeration.
Ended up at Luxury World. Got FS from a decent looking Viet. Not the best performer but how do you ever know when picking from behind glass. Only got out once as most time was business. Massage after was crap.
Main question is there anyplace to get a decent MASSAGE. Think I'll be back in the next few weeks and would like to know if a place exists. Where the massage is good, and there's at least a little something extra. I mean a good massage gets the blood flowing. Whats the name of the bar you went to?
I was told to try a place called Asia Club. On monivong. Any experience there?
[QUOTE=Simian]It depends on how happy you want your ending to be. Don't bother too much with the massage places in the tourist areas. You may get HJ in the massage places off the beaten track or in some of the the large Asian style hotels. FS is available in Paris Hotel (Kampuchea Krom road) or Luxury World Hotel (Monivong) and I assume that HJ is also available but probably not BJ - FS is generally available in any place you find that has a fish-bowl. There is also a kind of fishbowl around the corner from Walkabout where FS maybe available but I am not sure if it is still open for business. Let me know if you find more places with fishbowls.
For cleanliness and if you are not worried about paying up extra cash, go to the Luxury World Hotel. Only go into the place that has the fishbowl - I think there is a legit massage place there too but cannot remember. Ask for a VIP room (extra $3, I think). Khmer girls are the cheapest for tips but the last time I was there the Khmer girl was not happy with the $20 I offered for FS and was only marginally happy with $25.
I have had very mixed experiences in massage places in Cambodia - in one very basic place I asked for HJ and was firmly turned down. I immediately thought that I was in the wrong kind of place. Then the girl said firmly "only boom-book." But that was a hole in the wall place in Sihanookville, now closed.
I also got FS/HJ in places where you never expect it and nothing at all in places where you would think there is a good chance of something. I recently went into a bar that also offered massage - dingy room but ok. Nothing was offered but teased the girl a bit and got FS and DFK. FS may not be normally available there as the girl told me no way for boom boom as no condoms were available. When I pulled out my own condoms, she immediately agreed without naming any price. But she asked me to keep quiet about it with the management. So I think there they are only supposed to do HJ. I paid her $20 and she was very happy with that.[/QUOTE]
Hi guys,
After dating a young Khmer cutie for a few months, I decided to create a blog to share with my fellow mongers a few pics, vids and experiences.
Just PM me for the address as I cannot post the link on ISG.
Cheers,
Lulu
[QUOTE=ClarKent]Ended up at Luxury World. Got FS from a decent looking Viet. Not the best performer but how do you ever know when picking from behind glass. Only got out once as most time was business. Massage after was crap.
Main question is there anyplace to get a decent MASSAGE. Think I'll be back in the next few weeks and would like to know if a place exists. Where the massage is good, and there's at least a little something extra. I mean a good massage gets the blood flowing. Whats the name of the bar you went to?
I was told to try a place called Asia Club. On monivong. Any experience there?[/QUOTE]
We have to keep up with the times - the word on the street is that many of the bars near the river will be gone by the next high season, seen off by police crackdowns, bad management (in some cases) and the economic downturn. For myself, I am a regular visitor to PP but am unable to bring company back to the hotel - so the bars are not really for me. I therefore look for some place that is discrete - like Le Circe or a massage place with FS - with FS as part of the menu and the more plush it is the better.
It would be great if one of the residents of PP could go out and do some research for the board - I did my best given the limited time I had in PP and the limitations on my time while there - you can see the results in my earlier posting. So could someone please come up with a few places in addition to the Paris Hotel, Luxury World and the "rip me off I'm a Barang" Vietnamese places on that street near the Heart of Darkness where a decent mongered practice the hobby? And a few reports would be great. We would forever be in your debt.
[QUOTE=Simian]We have to keep up with the times [/QUOTE]
My last time in PP, I entered one of those Street 63 massage places. Now I guess you must have heard that these are total ripoff places, they pull the trousers on hook near the door scam (your money disappears). Well, not having enough money on me to steal, thought I'd give it a try. What happened? They wouldn't let me do anything without paying $15 up front. For the quality of service traditionally offered in these places, that was way high (and triple what I used to pay there not long ago). And knowing the calibre of ethics employed in those spots, it was pretty easy to predict how things would turn out if one paid up front. Even in the best times, they've always seemed very single-minded in their pursuit of making sure you leave disappointed. Anyway, the mamasan said that was not negotiable, pay first. I think they've decided they're not going to do business (other than total scams) with foreigners. The talent in those places isn't very appealing, so no big loss. I think if you saw one of those girls at Martini or some place, you'd never give them a 2nd glance. The only appeal is the price. Well... former price.
I'd also be interested to hear about MP places, and other kinds too. I'm not a big fan of the bars in the 104 area, prefer bigger places with more selection and less emphasis on hanging out for hours drinking and "having fun with the girls" (mindless horseplay with bargirls is kind of the opposite of my idea of fun).
[QUOTE=Wendella]My last time in PP, I entered one of those Street 63 massage places. Now I guess you must have heard that these are total ripoff places, they pull the trousers on hook near the door scam (your money disappears).
Unless you haven't been laid in a year or more and have some street smarts-avoid this place. I went there after after having visited the infamous S-21. I really needed some yum yum before any boom boom. And I did not get it. What a waste of $20, (the papasan wanted $40-ha ha, no fucking way).
I learnt afterwards that you will only get boom boom, no yum yum at the places on 63rd. Also, this is the place for Viet girls. If that is your cup of tea, then enjoy.
[QUOTE=Asianpussylover][QUOTE=Wendella]I learnt afterwards that you will only get boom boom, no yum yum at the places on 63rd. Also, this is the place for Viet girls. If that is your cup of tea, then enjoy.[/QUOTE]Not entirely true. YES, the 63st houses are a ripoff as I've constantly have to remind everyone here over the years. But you have to play their game and if you know how, then both BJ and FS are possible, not easy, but still possible.
PT
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2][QUOTE=Asianpussylover]
Not entirely true. YES, the 63st houses are a ripoff as I've constantly have to remind everyone here over the years. But you have to play their game and if you know how, then both BJ and FS are possible, not easy, but still possible.
PT[/QUOTE]Is there an instruction manual included with this game?
I'll say, in my case, there was just no way to get any other situation than pay first and take the chance they're gonna be honest for the first time in history and actually provide what you paid for.
So like, how would you deal with a mamasan who's sternly insisting you pay first before even choosing a girl? I even offered to pay half up front, half after. Nope. I'm there thinking "Oh, it must be me who has the reputation for ripping people off, not the other way around. [i]They[/i] have to be extra careful with [i]us[/i]. Yeah. That's it."
I think it all depends on who you are and the content of your caracter.
Anyway, over the years never had any problems there, yamyam as much as you like but you have to talk softly to them.
Actually at this very moment I'm waiting in my house for one of them, nice viet, very good in blow job. Damage? 10 bucks plus 2 dollar moto go and come because my house far from street 63.
Never ever paid anybody up front in this country.
For the occasional tourist, good massage parlors in street 63 near sorya shopping mall is Bun Pav, and also even better(much more girls-only after 12 noon- Youchouv, to find this place go to Lucky supermarket on Sihanouk Boulevard, then immediately turn left into street 63 and take the first on your left again, 50 meters on your right hand is Youchouv, don't enter the hotel lobby but take the stairs left of it up to the 1st floor.
Both of these places massage is 4 dollars including room for one hour. The rest is up to you. But myself always pay 10 bucks for full service, and service they give you!
But again, you have to talk gentle to them, then anything goes.
[QUOTE=Wendella][QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Is there an instruction manual included with this game?
I'll say, in my case, there was just no way to get any other situation than pay first and take the chance they're gonna be honest for the first time in history and actually provide what you paid for.
So like, how would you deal with a mamasan who's sternly insisting you pay first before even choosing a girl? I even offered to pay half up front, half after. Nope. I'm there thinking "Oh, it must be me who has the reputation for ripping people off, not the other way around. [i]They[/i] have to be extra careful with [i]us[/i]. Yeah. That's it."[/QUOTE]Just turn around and walk away. There are heaps of these places anyway. Its really not worth going in to most of them. esp ones that try these tatics.
I don't know why you guys continue to waste your time on st 63.
Paying before even viewing a girl? Are you mad?
[QUOTE=Shadow6491][QUOTE=Wendella]Just turn around and walk away. There are heaps of these places anyway. Its really not worth going in to most of them. esp ones that try these tatics.[/QUOTE]AFAIK all of these places (63rd street) insist on up-front payment. 20 bucks is way too much though, the max I've ever paid there was 10$.
Ok, let's get a consensus on the p4p prices. This should help bring the newbies and return travellers up to date. My experience in November 09 was as follows: short time at Somaly's was $20 including the room upstairs. The girls here are super eager for 3 somes. Short time at 63rd, $20. The Blue Mountain in snookyville, (the motel courtyard like place), $20 short time for the new in town, no clue barang, $10 repeat customer. Freedom Hotel, snookyville, $10 short time, $20 all night, (extra ugly girls). Chicken ranch snookyville, $5 short time, (a true third world experience). Zanzibar Siem Reap, (round $30 for short time), make sure you know what you are getting into as there were lots of lady boys around. I tried to get the old time rate of $3 for short time, but this was impossible. I will be back in March. Need some hints on the unknown, un-trodden places. Ps, I don't recommend the hotel/brothel in snooky that you guys know about. I loved the blue mountain a lot. The girls were friendlier and eager.
[QUOTE=Asianpussylover]Ok, let's get a consensus on the p4p prices. This should help bring the newbies and return travellers up to date. My experience in November 09 was as follows: short time at Somaly's was $20 including the room upstairs. [/QUOTE]It's the second time I read something here about a place called Somaly's in PP. Never heard of it before (haven't been in PP for a year and a half). Would you mind elaborating a bit on this place?
[QUOTE=Mart Cham]It's the second time I read something here about a place called Somaly's in PP. Never heard of it before (haven't been in PP for a year and a half). Would you mind elaborating a bit on this place?[/QUOTE]Its the old Mikados on street 49
[QUOTE=Asianpussylover]Ok, let's get a consensus on the p4p prices. This should help bring the newbies and return travellers up to date. My experience in November 09 was as follows: short time at Somaly's was $20 including the room upstairs. The girls here are super eager for 3 somes. Short time at 63rd, $20. The Blue Mountain in snookyville, (the motel courtyard like place), $20 short time for the new in town, no clue barang, $10 repeat customer. Freedom Hotel, snookyville, $10 short time, $20 all night, (extra ugly girls). Chicken ranch snookyville, $5 short time, (a true third world experience). Zanzibar Siem Reap, (round $30 for short time), make sure you know what you are getting into as there were lots of lady boys around. I tried to get the old time rate of $3 for short time, but this was impossible. I will be back in March. Need some hints on the unknown, un-trodden places. Ps, I don't recommend the hotel/brothel in snooky that you guys know about. I loved the blue mountain a lot. The girls were friendlier and eager.[/QUOTE]If you pay $20 for brothels on street 63 you have already been ripped off at least $10. I still get $5 at many brothels around town sometimes it is $6.25 or $7.50 the 5000 or 10000 riel is for the house and the $5 is for the girl. zjust look for the signs. Massage 5000 riel.
Missus out of town so had a night at the opera.
Gilbert and sullivan a bit dry but enjoyed mikado anyway.
Girls a bit sparse but one was really keen, strolled down the road to LCC just in case.
Had one beer, very few girls and not one would talk to me.
They know me to be a non player. Despite this being my on night.
Back to mikado, cross examined the little player who was ex sofie.
She agreed that she would suck my cock and lick my arse and give me a massage in between.
Upstairs to the mirrored room, all was good.
Even this old bugger came in her mouth twice.
Damage $20 plus I gave her a $5 tip-name anna, tiny girl.
Missus home from wedding this morning, more great sex-how I love this town.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Its the old Mikados on street 49[/QUOTE]OK thanks.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]I still get $5 at many brothels around town sometimes it is $6.25 or $7.50 the 5000 or 10000 riel is for the house and the $5 is for the girl. zjust look for the signs. Massage 5000 riel.[/QUOTE]Where to look? I've been here a couple days and I don't see the 5000 riel signs.
[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter]For the occasional tourist, good massage parlors in street 63 near sorya shopping mall is Bun Pav[/QUOTE]Went there today. They have a fishbowl. IMO, the girls aren't that good looking. But yeah, $4 for the massage + room and the rest is between you and the girl. I felt no hustle which was nice for a change.
Milkweed, go to Youchov, much more choice.
That you can not see the 5000 riel massage places? They are all over the place. If you are at riverside go direction Japanese bridge, is not far, on your left hand side you will see some places you will like, go in afternoon time.
Was in Somaly last month but as an ex devotee of Sohpie club, not impressed.
Will go again there later tonight and give a report about it tomorrow. Good or bad.
So, paid Somaly a visit last night, well., was ok, took a former sohpie girl upstairs, BBBJ cim, in no way it can be compared to the former Sophies and the prices have simply doubled. But the occaional tourist can have a go, he will probably be happy with it.
Some new hoarhouses opended near the Japanese friendship bridge, open your eye and you will find them easily, service same same for a fraction of the cost you pay at 'barang' oriented places, but only go there in daytime and be vigilant.
Took the boat from Semi Reap. Great trip, more costly than the bus but better views and you arrive fresh. Spend the afternoon seeing the area around the river and getting settled in. I am here for 3 weeks so no rush. After dinner, I walk along the river and just watch the world go by. Had several groups of local girls sit down and chat, seemed to be in three’s and a number of SW’s passing by looking for a response. Local girls were definitely available, did not get into price, as I was just not attracted to the one that was doing the talking. Her gf was cute but did not seem interested. Told them I would see them tomorrow night, she smiled and said we be here about 9. Will see what the day has to offer.....
Lots of good repots here, will post my expierences.
The Walkabout in recent weeks has extended its no ID policy to guys bring girls back to the Hotel. Even guys that have been regular customers for years have been told that if the girl has no id she cant come in. There is also a policy of if the girls are dressed to sexy they cant come in.
So if you are staying at the walkabout and bring a girl back from Heart or Martinis chances are your not going to be allowed to take her back to your room.
The night manager has told me many customer have had to check out after staying one or two nights of there two week trip due to these policies.
there is also a policy of if the girls are dressed to sexy they cant come in.
this is an old policy. you may notice that the girls who come to walkabout after they have been in say martinis get changed so they are able to get in. so no black cocktail dress for example? well the fit viet's anyway.
the walkabout in recent weeks has extended its no id policy to guys bring girls back to the hotel
this policy is about 4 months old, maybe more? oct/nov for sure? i think an **** girl was found in the hotel last year... bad scene for them.
anything else? oh yeah lcc has the upstairs room open again. at least it did. same prices as the ones listed here before.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]The night manager has told me many customer have had to check out after staying one or two nights of there two week trip due to these policies.[/QUOTE]Given the, er, quality of the rooms at the Walkabout, if you can't bring back a girl of your choice then why would anyone in their right mind stay there?
We should have known the place was in trouble when they changed the name of the upstairs bar from The Whale 'n' Hoe -- one of the great bar names ever.
Cambo is a-changing . . . .
Where is Mikado?
Is it the same as Somali?
[QUOTE=Betong]Given the, er, quality of the rooms at the Walkabout, if you can't bring back a girl of your choice then why would anyone in their right mind stay there?
[/QUOTE]
Yeah and the policy about girls dressed too sexy who can't come in... A joke right?
Seriously, the WA is a low-key pick-up joint in feckin' Phnom Penh, are they upgrading to a teahouse? Some upgrading in the kitchen will be seriously needed then. And what's next? Polo evenings? Rotary charity events? Will the girls be allowed to be on coke but not on meth?
I've never stayed there and I've never short-timed in their rooms either so I've never had the problem but I can't remember of any pull, anywhere in PP, who were able to produce an ID card.
somaly is the same place Mikado WAS and cyrcee is just across the street
[quote=mart cham]
seriously, the wa is a low-key pick-up joint in feckin' phnom penh, are they upgrading to a teahouse? some upgrading in the kitchen will be seriously needed then. and what's next? polo evenings? rotary charity events? will the girls be allowed to be on coke but not on meth?
i've never stayed there and i've never short-timed in their rooms either so i've never had the problem but i can't remember of any pull, anywhere in pp, who were able to produce an id card.[/quote]
i was staying at flamingo's in november 09, eating at wa for lunch and dinner. nice food but i was deliberately avoiding eye contact with the working girls there. the quality of these were just awful. even when i was eating my meal i was getting disturbed by these girls. had they been nicer to look at then no problem but these looked like they were scraping the bottom of the ugly barrel.
however beauty is in the eye of the beholder, some will argue that they are beautiful to them but they didn't do anything for me.
[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc]
However beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Some will argue that they are beautiful to them but they didn't do anything for me.[/QUOTE]
Not sure, but ugliness is definitely right there in the girl.
I recently saw an MP page and asked diff members what they thought, whod they'd pick out of the 20+ girls. Every person who replied picked the same girl. My own take: beauty is not in the eye of the beholder, it's in the girl. It's just the 7-8 range where beholding comes into play at all. And ugly is just ugly.
[quote=mik hcmc]i was staying at flamingo's in november 09, eating at wa for lunch and dinner. nice food but i was deliberately avoiding eye contact with the working girls there. the quality of these were just awful. even when i was eating my meal i was getting disturbed by these girls. had they been nicer to look at then no problem but these looked like they were scraping the bottom of the ugly barrel.
however beauty is in the eye of the beholder, some will argue that they are beautiful to them but they didn't do anything for me.[/quote]
well last time i went to pp i thought some were really okay looking but that was quite a long time ago (may 2008), might have changed a lot.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Not sure, but ugliness is definitely right there in the girl.
And ugly is just ugly.[/QUOTE]
Yup, can't argue with that one.
Shark
[QUOTE=Mart Cham]Well last time I went to PP I thought some were really okay looking but that was quite a long time ago (May 2008), might have changed a lot.[/QUOTE]Me too, exactly a year ago. I especially remember one nice little thing named Naren.
Sometimes it pays to be a bit of a contrarian. When everyone starts saying "Avoid x, it really sucks", I'll still go by once in a while and check it out just in case. You never can tell when a nice girl is going to walk into any bar, good or bad. That said, the WA was pretty hopeless last week. But then I swung by Sharky, another place that a lot of experts say to avoid now, and found a total lovely.
I've criticised sharky in the past but having gone there a few times over the last couple of months-its good.
It was always the closest thing to a pub here and with good food.
The food is still good and the local talent has got much better.
beauty is skin deep but UGLY goes clear to the BONE!!
Are they selling the gel versions of the different stiffy drugs these days in PP? If so, at reasonable prices? I haven't tried those yet, was considering picking some up when I'm (possibly) there next month to see how it is. If the answer is Yes, would be good to know exactly where to go. I've used those pharmacies near the Psar Thmei market, St 154 or thereabout (I'm a bit fuzzy on the memory but once I'm on the ground I'd find them quickly -- haven't been in PP in over 2 yrs) to get the knockoffs like Apcalis and Kamagra in pill form before.
It was a few months ago - but the chemists on the right side of 136 between 53 (corner of the market) and 51 (Pasteur) had everything. There seems to be no more availability of APSALIS (I guess the Indian connection dried up) and Avoid the CHINESE knock off - in my case TOTALLY ineffective. The kamagra gel is available and is cheaper "buy" the box. The first place on the right (all the boxes in the window advertising) is where I got the bad CIALIS but the kamagra seagra zeagra tablet prices were pretty good (under $3 / pack)
[QUOTE=Wendella]Are they selling the gel versions of the different stiffy drugs these days in PP? If so, at reasonable prices? I haven't tried those yet, was considering picking some up when I'm (possibly) there next month to see how it is. If the answer is Yes, would be good to know exactly where to go. I've used those pharmacies near the Psar Thmei market, St 154 or thereabout (I'm a bit fuzzy on the memory but once I'm on the ground I'd find them quickly -- haven't been in PP in over 2 yrs) to get the knockoffs like Apcalis and Kamagra in pill form before.[/QUOTE]
FYI and reference I get the Kamagra 100mg oral gel in Pattaya for 1.500 baht the 50 pieces pack.
They come in three flavors: Orange, Strawberry and fruit cocktail.
Hello, all.,
This is my first trip to Phnom Penh, not quite true as I was here for 3 days a year ago but was so sick after a couple of weeks in Sihanoukville that I could not leave the hotel. Anyway, I've booked 4 nights at Casa Hotel followed by 3 nights at Flamingo. Questions about the Casa. What's the story with the nightclub? Is it karaoke or some other style? Are the girls freelance or controlled by a mamasan? Any idea what the going rates are? And about the sauna. Is it just a sauna or is there something else going on there?
Forearmed is forewarned as they say. Thanks for your help.
[QUOTE=Dinghy]beauty is skin deep but UGLY goes clear to the BONE!![/QUOTE]
Ha ha, think we should stop at "skin deep". I think we all look the same as skeletons=bones, that is unless the lady had the skeleton of the Elephant man .
Shark
[QUOTE=Dinghy]It was a few months ago - but the chemists on the right side of 136 between 53 (corner of the market) and 51 (Pasteur) had everything. There seems to be no more availability of APSALIS (I guess the Indian connection dried up) and Avoid the CHINESE knock off - in my case TOTALLY ineffective. The kamagra gel is available and is cheaper "buy" the box. The first place on the right (all the boxes in the window advertising) is where I got the bad CIALIS but the kamagra seagra zeagra tablet prices were pretty good (under $3 / pack)[/QUOTE]
Bought some zeagra once too and was very happy with them. My friend complained about headache though. Not sure if he'd have complained with kamagra as he's not a regular user.
Stayed 2 days in PP. I really like the city and the variety of girls it has to offer. Look wise much better than in Thailand IMHO.
Unfortunately twice a bad experience.First day i told my moto driver to bring me to some cheap cambo brothels.Finally found one with a nice girl for 10$ bum bum.The fuck was a bit rushed but for 10$ it was all good until later i found out that she had stolen 30$ out of my wallet this lil *****.It was located on Pl 180.
Second night i took one from Blackcat Bar near Heart of Darkness.Agreed on 20$ ST.At the room she didn't want to shower at first.I told her no way without a shower before.Then she didn't want to suck,no titty kissing etc.she stopped letting me fuck her after like 10 min and complained about my big dick. blablabla kicked her out with 10$ and she threatened me with the police.
Is such a ripoff usual in PP?girls unwilling to perform and stealing?
[QUOTE=Kuranyi]Stayed 2 days in PP.I really like the city and the variety of girls it has to offer.Lookwise much better than in thailand imho.
Unfortunately twice a bad experience.First day i told my moto driver to bring me to some cheap cambo brothels.Finally found one with a nice girl for 10$ bum bum.The fuck was a bit rushed but for 10$ it was all good until later i found out that she had stolen 30$ out of my wallet this lil *****.It was located on Pl 180.
Second night i took one from blackcat bar near Heart of Darkness.Agreed on 20$ ST.At the room she didnt want to shower at first.I told her no way without a shower before.Then she didnt want to suck,no titty kissing etc.she stopped letting me fuck her after like 10min and complained about my big dick.blablabla kicked her out with 10$ and she threatend me with the police;)
Is such a ripoff usual in PP?girls unwilling to perform and stealing?[/QUOTE]
Day 1: well why should she waste time having sex with you when she already had your $30? Seriously, that one is typical -- I had it pulled on me, tho by amazing luck I actually spotted the hand coming in the door to grab my pants off the hook they were hanging on. It might have been actually another employee who did the stealing, but it's a moot point because they're all aware and in on it. And that includes your driver. These guys know these places are ripoff spots, and they take you there. So if you are looking for the primary person to blame, that's the guy.
2nd situation is much less typical but not unheard of. Sometimes you just get a lemon. A few possibilities on that one: 1. she's new and not keen on it, got into it and realized she couldn't stand it, just wanted out. 2. she's experienced and has some prior success pulling that stunt and getting her money regardless, 3. she received a text message or call from a regular for her to come over a.s.a.p. so was trying to do whatever it took to ditch you. 4. there's something about you she wasn't digging (b.o., big dick, bad breath, whatever). Btw don't take it personally if #4 might be true -- its happened to me, probably happens to everyone unless they look and smell like George Clooney (I have no idea about his dick size btw-- who knows mabye it happens to him too).
It was exactly like this. She was hanging my trousers with my wallet on the hook and told me to lay down for a massage. She sat on my back and started massaging and gave me a kiss on the cheek etc. At that time someone from outside the room grabbed my wallet. Ok I wasn't careful enough and not prepared for that. But hey you live and learn. They were so kind just to put half of the money out.
[QUOTE=Kuranyi]It was exactly like this.She was hanging my trousers with my wallet on the hook and told me to lay down for a massage.She sat on my back and started massaging and gave me a kiss on the cheek etc.At that time someone from outside the room grabbed my wallet.Ok i wasnt careful enough and not prepared for that.But hey you live and learn.They were so kind just to put half of the money out;)[/QUOTE]
Dude you fell for the most wellknown of all PP scams. Should have RTFF, search for Street 63 and you'll find hundreds of posts on the topic.
I guess even they are surprised that it still works sometimes ;)
[QUOTE=Kuranyi]Agreed on 20$ ST.At the room she didnt want to shower at first.I told her no way without a shower before.Then she didnt want to suck,no titty kissing etc.she stopped letting me fuck her after like 10min and complained about my big dick.blablabla kicked her out with 10$ and she threatend me with the police;)[/QUOTE]
Did you ask her what she would do before you took her? Many hostess bar girls will not do oral "yum yum". It's pretty much up to you to determine what you get before you buy it. Although the no shower thing and only 10 minutes (have lube?) sounds like you just got an all around dud.
RMW
[QUOTE=RockyMtnWay]Did you ask her what she would do before you took her? Many hostess bar girls will not do oral "yum yum". It's pretty much up to you to determine what you get before you buy it. Although the no shower thing and only 10 minutes (have lube?) sounds like you just got an all around dud.
RMW[/QUOTE]It is highly unusual for an Asian woman not to take a shower before and after the act. So you lost $10, just chalk it up to experience. It's a good thing you got the rid of her before she became a bigger headache. Just be a good soldier and go back out and fuck the next one like she is the last woman on the planet.
Any updates on the current BF and approx LT prices of the bars on these 2 streets?
i wanted to try the brothels on 63rd street. was driven there in a toyota camry by sovann, a well-known pp driver. he told me there were recent raids that shut down a lot of prostitution dens in the area.
i read this thread and knew their tricks stealing johns' wallet. sovann was waiting in his car on the street. he warned me that they would try to steal my wallet in the room while i was having sex with the girl. if they do, there is nothing he could do to help. i still wanted to go in for the experience.
it was a house in a residential area. there was a big rooms with lots of chairs and pink fluorescent lights on the ceiling. the owner was an old viet guy. he told me girls were out shopping. the family with 4 young children was having lunch on the filthy kitchen floor.
i went with the only girl available, mid 20's, decent looking. the rate was about $5. went upstairs to her small room with a bed and a rattan shelf next to the door. she suggested i leave my clothes on the shelf. no fucking way honey. i aint about to be fucked and get my wallet stolen by these assholes.
so i rolled up my pants with the wallet in the pocket and held it down with my right hand while i fucked the shit out of her...
washed up and went down to sovann. he could not believe i did not get my ass raped and wallet stolen in the crooks' den.
spent a coule nights crusing the bars, taking girls back to hotel. prostitutes in pp were mostly viet girls. sovann must know where to find very pretty and sweet khmer girls, but he never took me there.
[quote=kuranyi]it was exactly like this.she was hanging my trousers with my wallet on the hook and told me to lay down for a massage.she sat on my back and started massaging and gave me a kiss on the cheek etc.at that time someone from outside the room grabbed my wallet.ok i wasnt careful enough and not prepared for that.but hey you live and learn.they were so kind just to put half of the money out;)[/quote]
[quote=peter pan 2009]i wanted to try the brothels on 63rd street. was driven there in a toyota camry by sovann, a well-known pp driver. he told me there were recent raids that shut down a lot of prostitution dens in the area.
i read this thread and knew their tricks stealing johns' wallet. sovann was waiting in his car on the street. he warned me that they would try to steal my wallet in the room while i was having sex with the girl. if they do, there is nothing he could do to help. i still wanted to go in for the experience.
it was a house in a residential area. there was a big rooms with lots of chairs and pink fluorescent lights on the ceiling. the owner was an old viet guy. he told me girls were out shopping. the family with 4 young children was having lunch on the filthy kitchen floor.
i went with the only girl available, mid 20's, decent looking. the rate was about $5. went upstairs to her small room with a bed and a rattan shelf next to the door. she suggested i leave my clothes on the shelf. no fucking way honey. i aint about to be fucked and get my wallet stolen by these assholes.
so i rolled up my pants with the wallet in the pocket and held it down with my right hand while i fucked the shit out of her...
washed up and went down to sovann. he could not believe i did not get my ass raped and wallet stolen in the crooks' den.
spent a coule nights crusing the bars, taking girls back to hotel. prostitutes in pp were mostly viet girls. sovann must know where to find very pretty and sweet khmer girls, but he never took me there.[/quote]
well hes in jail now for some very bad things.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Well hes in jail now for some very bad things.[/QUOTE]Who is in jail now?
Yea guys should have known the scam. Anyway now I always keep my wallet on me. BTW made some great experiences in Sihanoukville.
police in cambodia have arrested two locals and a us man after smashing a seven-year **** ring offering **** "virgin" girls to tourists for $us3,000 ($a3,327) a night, they say.
taxi driver mey sovann, 36, and his female accomplice sek vy, 47, were arrested on friday for providing **** girls for sexual services, said bith kimhong, head of cambodia's anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] unit, on sunday.
a six-month investigation, aided by the french police's international technical co-operation delegation (sctip), found that since 2003, mey sovann had advertised **** virgin girls on the internet for $us3,000 ($a3,327) a night.
he would pick up customers from phnom penh airport and show them pictures, before taking them to meet the girls at a guesthouse owned by sek vy, according to an officer from sctip's cambodia office, who asked not to be named.
mey sovann was arrested by undercover police at the airport in possession of the **** girls' photographs, while sek vy was arrested at her guesthouse in kandal province, about 20km south of phnom penh.
american carl craig thomas, 58, was also arrested on saturday in the capital for sexually abusing three **** girls provided by the cambodian pair, and for child pornography pictures he took at the guesthouse, bith kimhong said.
"we have arrested the man and the woman who provided **** girls. during the investigation, we found they were providing three **** girls to the us man too," bith kimhong told afp.
"now we are investigating the case further to see if they have a wider network," he added.
cambodia has struggled to shed its reputation as a haven for ****s, putting dozens of foreigners in jail for child sex crimes or deporting them to face trial in their home countries since 2003.
this is very serious stuff.
where did you get this news piece from? when did it happen?
american ****s face prosecution when they return home. there were guys who were charged merely with intent to sexually abuse children. they were arrested at the airport leaving the us, based on their emails to arrange sexual services with children overseas.
of course there was the radiologist at km11 who bragged to msnbc camera crew about how cheap it was to have sex with children in cambodia. he was immediately charged with the crime in absentia.
looks like sovann is gonna be in the slammer for a long time. that is if he survives the assaults by prisoners who usually take it out on child molesters.
he never brought up anything about children to me. he was driving me to the bars, restaurants and the 63rd street brothels.
[quote=shadow6491]police in cambodia have arrested two locals and a us man after smashing a seven-year **** ring offering **** "virgin" girls to tourists for $us3,000 ($a3,327) a night, they say.
taxi driver mey sovann, 36, and his female accomplice sek vy, 47, were arrested on friday for providing **** girls for sexual services, said bith kimhong, head of cambodia's anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] unit, on sunday.
cambodia has struggled to shed its reputation as a haven for ****s, putting dozens of foreigners in jail for child sex crimes or deporting them to face trial in their home countries since 2003.[/quote]
When did this happen?
[QUOTE=Wendella]When did this happen?[/QUOTE]
This may be it.
[url]http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2010020231560/National-news/police-blotter-02-feb-2010.html[/url]
Suspects arrested on way to hotel
Phnom Penh Municipal Court issued a citation on Friday to detain five people aged between 24 and 45-years-old, all accused of soliciting sex from girls aged between eight and 20. Local police arrested two of the accused on January 25 as they were taking two girls to a hotel room in the capital.
This story is dated 24 Jan 2010 but people should know that there are/were two drivers named Sovann’s in PP, the one that has been arrested was a member of this site and was banned before. In the past I've used both of these drivers and while I found Chhoeun Sovann to be a true gentleman I can't say the same for Mey Sovann.
[url]http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6715670/cambodia-police-bust-paedophile-ring/[/url]
Wowww.I hope it is not the Sovann that I met back in October of 2009, who is also a site member. He is a nice guy who knows the p4p seen very well. He did not offer me anything illegal. I found that on my own using street smarts. Its available if you really want. Just be careful and keep your eyes open. The spies are everywhere. Be careful at the Flamingos. $3000 is ndeed the going rate on the streets for a bona fide virgin. It's a secret market with hidden mechanics. That scene is for the fat cat Khmers who are above and beyond jail time-and prosecution. An ordinary tourist doesn't have the time or the bucks or connections for this. Anyway, if you do the math 3000 can go a long way at Somaly's and other places. Heck you can have a couple thousand shags until you just drop dead. I prefer that thank you. And while we are on this subject, I read a recent report dated December 2009 that the old svay pak maybe coming back after all. You can find it online cause I just read it last week. Ahhhh corruption, I love it.
Ok, so I hate to say something without proof.
Here is the the report I told you guys about.
[url]www.baysideonline.com/10922/update-on-svay-pak-cambodia[/url]
Ok jail is no playground. Be safe. There is a lot of money to be made off of a foreigner when the real culprit, (Asian), has all the fun. No hating, just reality.
[QUOTE=Run Mann]This story is dated 24 Jan 2010 but people should know that there are/were two drivers named Sovann’s in PP, the one that has been arrested was a member of this site and was banned before. In the past I've used both of these drivers and while I found Chhoeun Sovann to be a true gentleman I can't say the same for Mey Sovann.
[url]http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6715670/cambodia-police-bust-paedophile-ring/[/url][/QUOTE]
Based on what was said about the 2 Sovann, at least the one arrested seem to deserve it.
[QUOTE=Mart Cham]Dude you fell for the most wellknown of all PP scams. Should have RTFF, search for Street 63 and you'll find hundreds of posts on the topic.
I guess even they are surprised that it still works sometimes ;)[/QUOTE]
The main reason why this scam works is not because of the newbies on ISG that head to Cambodia and not reading about this and falls for the trap. The members of ISG makes up a very very small % of all the suckers that head over to these brothels. I can't even count the number of times I'm at a bar and listening to "1st time male tourist" about how they got ripped off. It's this main group of people that keeps the scam profits going.
Shark
[QUOTE=Kuranyi]
Is such a ripoff usual in PP?girls unwilling to perform and stealing?[/QUOTE]
The answer is, Yes, if you are getting them from FL hangouts, and streets. Not so much from the better well know establishments.
Shark
Sovann Mee sounds about right. Sovann is his first name? He did have a web site showing a lot of girls.
He was banned from ISG for posting his email and phone number.
He drove me to some of the best restaurants in PP and he refused to join me for dinner. He never proposed anything. He was just driving me to wherever I asked him.
[QUOTE=Run Mann]This story is dated 24 Jan 2010 but people should know that there are/were two drivers named Sovann’s in PP, the one that has been arrested was a member of this site and was banned before. In the past I've used both of these drivers and while I found Chhoeun Sovann to be a true gentleman I can't say the same for Mey Sovann.
[url]http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6715670/cambodia-police-bust-paedophile-ring/[/url][/QUOTE]
[quote=run mann]sovannmee was not banned because he posted his email address/phone number as you can see below.
my rate is $35/day.
the girls from 15yrs old 17yrs old $100st and 12yrs old-14yrs old cost you $170 st.
hope you aren't ngo's disguise.[/quote]
wow, not cheap to be a ****!
why not just take pictures of the ****s and forward to american fbi so they can be searched on returning to us, they may have photos on them, enough to charge them. how did they know they were americans? i think unless they saw passports, german, swiss, brits all look alike.
[quote=mick888] how did they know they were americans? i think unless they saw passports, german, swiss, brits all look alike.[/quote]
not too difficult to tell if someone is a yank, a brit, a spaniard or german.
however it does not make a big difference. western european ****s face criminal charges in their own country for acts committed abroad as well. this is not an american only law.
i'm kinda baffled as to why people even allude to what they might be getting up to or offering members in cambodia on here, if anyone is under the illusion that this is a private forum and people will keep your secrets because you pay $20 a year you are deluded. other than there being plently of members who would be happy to out you and have you arrested (me being one of them), i can gurantee that this forum is being monitored by authorities all over the world. ****s are not safe here on this forum, in cambodia or anywhere else.
[quote=nerdynomad]other than there being plently of members who would be happy to out you and have you arrested (me being one of them),. ****s are not safe here on this forum, in cambodia or anywhere else.[/quote]well spoken nerdynomad.
and not only are '****s are not safe here on this forum", they are also not welcome, just to emphasize what you have said.
mr ****, part of joining and using this forum is an implicit and explicit agreement that the members, the forum and the organisers will have nothing to do with such obnoxious and cowardly abuse of children.
and the term 'children' isn't resticted to the very young.
it means anyone below the age of consent, even by one day, male or female.
don't agree please just stay away from us, mr ****.
and seek medical assistance for your perversion, mr ****.
or, if you are unwilling to seek such help, simply do us all a favour and just commit suicide.
of course you, mr ****, are too much of a coward for either solution, so i hope that you illegal activities place you in prison where the other inmates will demonstrate the pain of your disgusting activities.
To the guy posting weird abusive PM's to me... probably better if you chill out and not do that again. Not exactly a convincing argument in favor of your position. Imagine if I reposted what you wrote to me here in the thread, how would that make you look?
Thought you would have been over this by now.
Let it go. I disagree. That's all there is to it.
The strange formatting in your PM makes me think you might have done it while drunk or something. If so, no big deal. But do us both a favor, delete whatever PMs from me that make you upset (so you're not tempted to reply to them again for a 3rd or 4th time months from now), forget about it, and move on.
(posted this yesterday in the wrong thread by accident)
forgot to mention: that PM you just responded to was sent weeks ago, and you had already replied to it before in a similar way. Maybe you mistakenly thought my old pm was a new one again. You told me not to PM you, so I did just that and did not reply. I assumed by your insisting on my not PMing you, it would mean you would do the same.
Anyway, I say let's just forget the whole thing and get back to the subject at hand, one we can mostly agree on.
Of course I am drunk half the time-its a free world isn't it?
If you want to post any private PMs go ahead brother.
I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of me.
Why on earth would it worry me?
Do I have a reputation to protect-of course not.
I just have opinions on politics that are hard earned.
I have lived in this country long enough to know more than most.
if I take an SLR camera out into the streets am I basically asking to get robbed? it's too big to fit in a pocket so i'd be carrying a camera bag until I whipped it out
I really want to get some pictures of the people but if I don't make it back with my camera there's not really any point is there
[QUOTE=Evianist]if I take an SLR camera out into the streets am I basically asking to get robbed? it's too big to fit in a pocket so i'd be carrying a camera bag until I whipped it out
I really want to get some pictures of the people but if I don't make it back with my camera there's not really any point is there[/QUOTE]
You probably wont get your camera stolen. But think about this, I was sitting at the market this morning having breakfast and a tourist toting a big camera got within 4 feet of an old toothless khmer guy who looked like he had had a rough life just sitting minding his own business. How would you feel if someone made you out to be something of a curio something strange to be photographed.
It was really rude and cruel. My girlfriend told me that some of the people get really angry at this and rightfully so.
So please be respectful and do unto others as you would have them do to you.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]You probably wont get your camera stolen. But think about this, I was sitting at the market this morning having breakfast and a tourist toting a big camera got within 4 feet of an old toothless khmer guy who looked like he had had a rough life just sitting minding his own business. How would you feel if someone made you out to be something of a curio something strange to be photographed.
It was really rude and cruel. My girlfriend told me that some of the people get really angry at this and rightfully so.
So please be respectful and do unto others as you would have them do to you.[/QUOTE]
Yes I've travelled a bit and I'm aware of this. I'd also just feel too awkward standing there pointing a camera at someone. That's why I bought a lens with a very big zoom; I can take the same shots from across the street.
[QUOTE=Evianist]if I take an SLR camera out into the streets am I basically asking to get robbed? it's too big to fit in a pocket so i'd be carrying a camera bag until I whipped it out
I really want to get some pictures of the people but if I don't make it back with my camera there's not really any point is there[/QUOTE]
Your camera is safe (assuming you are walking and taking pics daytime) as nite is a whole different story. Rather than hanging the camera out for all to see, I usually put it in a bag and take it out when I need to.
Also, best to ask permission before taking a close up of people as most will be happy to do so, I usually show them the pic after I take it on the camera screen and they are happy to see it.
Pics taken from across the street and farther away (not close ups of people) are never a problem.
Shark
[QUOTE=Evianist]if I take an SLR camera out into the streets am I basically asking to get robbed? [/QUOTE]
At daytime you should be safe IMO.
But to be honest I haven't been to PP for 5 years or so.
Don't know about any changes in safety there.
I was there many times between 2002 and 2005 always with DSLR,
at a time when DSLR's weren't that common as today,
Fuji S2Pro and later Nikon D2X, and especially the Nikon is quite a big cam.
Never had any problems.
Take care!
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Of course I am drunk half the time-its a free world isn't it?
[/QUOTE]
Yeah that explains a lot. Well like I said, obviously we disagree, so that's that. I guess if I get any more of these foaming at the mouth PM's I'll just ignore them knowing they're probably just you re-reading old PMs again while you're drunk and itching to fight. Oh that Philistine, there he goes again. In the PM you sent over a month ago, you ordered me to never PM you again. So then I get this one from you a few days ago, again with this out of control hostile tone, name-calling. Sorry, dude, it's just bizarre. Chill out. Stick to what you do well, commenting on the scene. Nobody wants to find this kind ofcrap in their inbox.
Thanks guys. I'm hopefully going to take some pics today.
On my first cambodian girl:
She didn't shower before. Not surprisingly, when I took her shorts off she smelt pretty off down below. After the first fuck I told her she needed to shower. She said "no, you shower, I cold" and then fell asleep. After the second fuck still no shower. Going to have to lather my groin with anti-fungal cream today.
In spite of that, she was gorgeous, and the beauty being so exotic meant that I spent a lot of the time just staring at her. There's something about brown bodies that really does it for me. Would like to see her again but the lack of hygiene will probably dissuade me.
On Sharky's:
First place I went to in Phnom Penh. Definitely some lookers here, and I can be picky. Got there when it was still mostly empty and had a meal. When it filled up a bit, two 40ish hags were the first to approach me. The one in particular just stayed next to me and wouldn't leave until I stopped looking at her or responding when she asked me things. Another fairly attractive girl sat down and asked if I was scowling because of the two hags hanging all over me and she sort of saved me from them and we talked for quite a while. Was going to take her out. She quoted me $30 for short time. I asked what short time meant and she said "1 time". She wouldn't budge much from that, and I started to lose interest. Then she started answering a text from some other guy while I was sitting there with her. She actually asked me to type out the response for her to get the English correct. So I'm sitting there texting one of this girl's clients for her. What a turn on. I suspect she just wanted to rush out a boom boom with me and be ready to meet her regular client afterwards. Completely lost interest. Left.
Would go back and hopefully will attract some better girls.
On Heart of Darkness:
Great place to hang out, even if you're not looking for a girl, though it needs to be doubled in size. Plenty of lookers here too.
One thing I did notice is that a lot of the girls seemed a bit aggressive/violent. Like shoving each other or yelling and shrieking and falling over. Was a definite change in mood after being around quiet Thai girls for the past month. Though I guess it makes sense that Cambodian girls would have an edge to them given the country they live in. Also I wondered if a lot of them weren't on drugs? I saw some pretty hazy eyes, and it would explain some of the falling over behavior. Could have just been drunk maybe.
On Shanghai:
Again some very attractive girls here, but it seems this is more of a hostess bar. I got all doe-eyed for one girl in particular, and when I asked her about leaving she said I had to spend about $15 or $16 on drinks and then maybe she could go to heart or darkness with me after shanghai closed. No thanks. She then asked if she could go with me anyways because she wanted to use me to make some guy she had a crush on jealous. No, thank you.
No reason to go back. Pretty girls aren't so pretty if they're unavailable.
On Cyrcee:
Well this was a bit different. Get mobbed on walking in by 6 or 7 girls rubbing me and basically the entire bar was staring at me for a good 10 minutes. Was not expecting that and it turned me back into a nervous teen for a bit. In most places I prefer to lurk a while and do some due diligence observing the girls interacting with clients and each other so I can find one with a good hearted attitude.
Since I hadn't really responded to the swarm at the beginning, most of the girls stopped paying attention to me except a couple that I didn't really like. Also I couldn't figure out what the procedure is for this place, what happens upstairs, and whether you can take the girls out. No one there explained it to me either. The girl I wanted the most was a bartender. Half the girls looked like they could easily land me in jail, though I'm not making any accusations because it's hard to tell. Seeing cute tiny girls who look 14 and 15 being groped by old creepy french guys can sadden you a bit.
On Phnom Penh:
Filthy, vile shithole. Yet strangely intriguing. When I was in central europe I couldn't tell a genocide had taken place there, but in cambodia you can really feel it. I'm constantly tense and on edge here. Thailand seems like an immaculate first world paradise in comparison.
[QUOTE=Evianist]
On my first cambodian girl[/QUOTE]
Just put the girl in the shower and wash her next time!
[QUOTE=Evianist]Also I wondered if a lot of them weren't on drugs? I saw some pretty hazy eyes, and it would explain some of the falling over behavior. Could have just been drunk maybe.[/QUOTE]
A lot of the girls who do the walkabout-sharky-martini-heart circuit are on yaba / ice indeed. I like them like that but one has to be constantly careful dealing with those girls, they go nuts quite easily. And obviously they tend to try and steal your stuff if you give them the opportunity.
[QUOTE=Evianist]
On Cyrcee:
No one there explained it to me either. The girl I wanted the most was a bartender. Half the girls looked like they could easily land me in jail, though I'm not making any accusations because it's hard to tell. Seeing cute tiny girls who look 14 and 15 being groped by old creepy french guys can sadden you a bit.[/QUOTE]
The boss there (if it's still the same) is very helpful and keen on giving advice about his bar and the scene in general. Of course that means that you would have to talk to a French guy.
Evianist, a guy I know wrote a submission for the Stickman site back in July 2009 and it contains a lot of good info about PP, from places to stay, good restaurants, prices for transportation and of course the going rates for the ladies. It was actually written in response to another submission, where the guy overpaid for everything.
If you or anyone else would like the link then feel free to PM me and I will send it to you.
I haven't been to PP since 2005, and I'm sure things have changed, but the best looking lady I had the whole time I was there was found in Sharky's. One more thing, always ask to see a ladies ID before taking her "home. " If she doesn't have one, then move on.
[quote=d cups]right on. ****s should be castrated or killed or both. look at the innocence they ruin. sick fuck, go kill yourself if you can't stop yourself.[/quote]anyone who has played in se asia for a while will have inadvertently shagged a teen at some point in time. wink ;) all the hot steam u guys are blowing is just that.... now will someone please post some more info of their latest exploits.
thank you evianist.
[QUOTE=Mart Cham]A lot of the girls who do the walkabout-sharky-martini-heart circuit are on yaba / ice indeed. I like them like that but one has to be constantly careful dealing with those girls, they go nuts quite easily. And obviously they tend to try and steal your stuff if you give them the opportunity.[/quote]
Interesting. That explains their behavior then.
I think the girl I had took money out of my wallet. Unfortunately for her I carry a dummy wallet filled with some leftover Argentinian pesos. Good luck trying to find an exchange booth in Asia that will take those.
[quote]The boss there (if it's still the same) is very helpful and keen on giving advice about his bar and the scene in general. Of course that means that you would have to talk to a French guy.[/QUOTE]
C'est pas une probleme.
[QUOTE=Booey]Evianist, a guy I know wrote a submission for the Stickman site back in July 2009 and it contains a lot of good info about PP, from places to stay, good restaurants, prices for transportation and of course the going rates for the ladies. It was actually written in response to another submission, where the guy overpaid for everything.
If you or anyone else would like the link then feel free to PM me and I will send it to you.
I haven't been to PP since 2005, and I'm sure things have changed, but the best looking lady I had the whole time I was there was found in Sharky's. One more thing, always ask to see a ladies ID before taking her "home. " If she doesn't have one, then move on.[/QUOTE]
Thanks I found the submission. And I will start checking IDs.
I paid $20/LT for the first girl I got, and would not pay $30/ST or $15 for drinks at Shanghai, so it seems I've been doing OK in my first few days. Getting ripped off really annoys the shite out of me, not because of the money but more because of the personal insult of it.
Hi Guys,
I benefitted from info here before my trip but regrettably don't have much to give back since I got a very bad gastro that has laid me low for a month. I suspect I got it after licking a Khmer girl's asshole...first time for everything!
Anyhow before then did the usual haunts but nothing particularly new to report - CirCee was a good as was a place on the corner near there called Salome (I think). Took a few girls upstairs from both, good honest service, no attempt at wallet rip offs and friendly girls. But then was stuck down and sex was the last thing I was thinking of.
Apologies I can't offer more by way of a report.
Bubba
[QUOTE=Evianist]Thanks I found the submission. And I will start checking IDs.
I paid $20/LT for the first girl I got, and would not pay $30/ST or $15 for drinks at Shanghai, so it seems I've been doing OK in my first few days. Getting ripped off really annoys the shite out of me, not because of the money but more because of the personal insult of it.[/QUOTE]Seems like you are doing well in PP, and I am in full agreement with you about the money issues. I have the dosh, but I will not throw it around like a *******! Stick to your guns and have a good time, I like the fact that you paid $20 LT in 2010, same as I did in 2005.
I might have to revise my travel plans to include a stop in PP.
[QUOTE=Evianist]No reason to go back. Pretty girls aren't so pretty if they're unavailable.[/QUOTE]In its day Shanghai was a great bar, but you're right about it now. Pretty much a waste of time and money.
I also know what you mean about Cyrcee, especially if it was your first time. They come on way too strong. Talent isn't what it used to be but there's still the occasional nice girl. One trick is to buy one girl -- any girl -- a drink right away, just to get the others to leave you alone. Then you can check out the rest at your leisure.
Getting rid of the hags/uglies/druggies at Sharky's is a skill in itself. You just have to ignore them, almost to the point of rudeness. Finding quality here can mean waiting for hours, so I find it's a much better place to go with friends than alone.
[QUOTE]On Phnom Penh: Filthy, vile shithole.[/QUOTE]It's Beverly Hills compared to the way it was back in the early 1990s!
ok so a few observations of my own from seeing pp again for the first time in a couple yrs.
martini. a bit less active and interesting than when i'd been there in the past. one thing i tuned into this time was how certain girls would enter for what seemed like a few minutes, then disappear out the front door for awhile (half an hour?), then reappear, then disappear again. pretty frustrating when it happens to be a girl you have your eye on, and you're waiting for her to stand still for a second so you can approach her. but in general, where martini used to go on throughout the night and if you waited long enough, something new would eventually walk in, these days it seems to have a clear peak at about 10-11pm, and by 12 most of the talent is gone for good.
104 st and 136 st. i'm not sure what the deal is with these places. they seem to have siphoned off a lot of the talent from the martini/walkabout/sharky circuit from what i can tell, and not in a good way. are these girls able to leave and go with you? or do they need to wait til their bar shuts? what i know for sure is that they won't all go with you, so i wonder around what % do. i walked into one on 104 and a cute khmer grabbed me as i entered and was extremely flirtatious and touchy. problem was that soon she seemed to be doing it as kind of a show for her friends. after buying her a drink and enduring her loud attention for awhile, i hit her with the question only to find out she 'has blood today'. thanks honey. i'm really glad i spent the last few minutes of bar-open time with you.
one of the free magazines (bayon pearnik or canby or that other new small one) talk about how these bars have 'brought thailand style bar culture with bar fines' to cambodia. unless i'm missing something, that's false. [b]can you barfine girls at these bars? [/b]also, are there some bars that are less likely to "have blood today" or whatever excuse they'll give? the idea of going from one of these bars to the next paying for drinks at each one just on the chance a girl i'm talking to might be able to go to my hotel, but not before 2am... well... it's a pretty stupid setup if that's how it is.
heart of darkness. the one i had my eye on at martini disappeared and never returned. someone told me they all move on to hod at midnight. i went there and saw a lot of the same ones from martini. but where some of these girls had given me the eye earlier at martini, here they'd give the cold look-away to signal "not interested". i'm mid-40s and older than most of the guys at heart, so i assumed it had to do with face issues at hod due to the younger crowd. excellent.
luxury world massage. i took a quick peek at this fishbowl, did not ask about pricing. there weren't any faces in the crowd that made me feel like i needed to try it. overall it looked like a very ordinary-looking group of girls, not one in there who looked do-able (tho i'm a bit picky). i've heard there is also paris hotel fishbowl, any more?
circee: seems ok but when i was there many of the girls had on blue jeans. for me, blue jeans are half a step down the spectrum from chastity belts, just deprive you of 50% of the girl. maybe even worse: at least with chastity belts you can see/touch their legs. to make matters worse, the top looker by far in the place works as lead bartender and can't be touched. the touchables are mostly midgets who pale in comparison. i assume this french manager knows what he's doing, he's been at it so long, but to have the cutest girl there off limits, it really makes you look at the rest and feel disappointed. and the blue jeans. c'mon man. france practically invented sexiness. where's your sense of patriotism.
in contrast to previous visits, the places on 63 and 154 are now beckoning me in as i pass. haven't looked inside. last time i tried one i lost my pants, literally. got em back, but.. not exactly the kind of thrill i was after.
[quote]One of the free magazines (bayon pearnik or canby or that other new small one) talk about how these bars have 'brought thailand style bar culture with bar fines' to Cambodia. Unless I'm missing something, that's false. Can you barfine girls at these bars? Also, are there some bars that are less likely to "have blood today" or whatever excuse they'll give? the idea of going from one of these bars to the next paying for drinks at each one just on the chance a girl I'm talking to might be able to go to my hotel, but not before 2am... well... it's a pretty stupid setup if that's how it is.[/quote]
The concept of hostess bars is an import from Japan. Many Japanese businessmen will go to bars and spend hundreds of dollars for a girl to sit and talk and flirt with them for a little while. They even have a lot of hostess bars for women now too.
If this spreads heavily into SE Asia I think a lot of us will be enjoying ourselves a lot less. I guess some guys are into that, but if I want to pay a bunch of cash to get sexually frustrated I can just go back home and try dating American girls again.
[quote]the top looker by far in the place works as lead bartender and can't be touched. The touchables are mostly midgets who pale in comparison. I assume this French manager knows what he's doing, he's been at it so long, but to have the cutest girl there off limits, it really makes you look at the rest and feel disappointed.[/quote]
I think we might have had our eye on the same bartender. If so, this girl is about a 9. You're right that she made the girls who were available (mostly 6-7s) seem unattractive in comparison.
[QUOTE=Evianist]The concept of hostess bars is an import from Japan. Many Japanese businessmen will go to bars and spend hundreds of dollars for a girl to sit and talk and flirt with them for a little while. They even have a lot of hostess bars for women now too.
If this spreads heavily into SE Asia I think a lot of us will be enjoying ourselves a lot less. I guess some guys are into that, but if I want to pay a bunch of cash to get sexually frustrated I can just go back home and try dating American girls again.
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'll be here a few more days and check and see if this is how it really is.
Almost forgot one piece of my story. I was in a bar on 104 (or possibly 136, it's all a blur now) and sat at a side table where of course I was swarmed by 4 hostess girls, none of which appealed. The one I was trying to make eye contact with was standing over at the end of the bar going through some receipts. I kept glancing over, she was busy busy busy. Hoping for a chance to wink or something, suddenly some young Brit (guessing he was about 24) at the bar slams his hand down on the bartop and yells over to the same girl (the one whose eye I'm trying to catch) "You have your war face on! I see you. I know." This he repeats about 4 times, slams his hand down once more.
Anyway, you can see how this trip is going.
I'd say yeah if it turns out to be true that these hostess bars are just a tease, well, it'd be the end of PP as a destination, for me at least. Just not enough talent at the old places anymore (Martini, etc.) and nothing new taking their place making up the difference. It's SO much easier to get hooked up in Thailand, even Vietnam is easier than this (tho both are more expensive). One thing that's changed at Martini for me is that a few years ago you could count on spotting at least some you hadn't seen before on almost any night. Not now. Same ones every night. You know there's nobody new gonna arrive after midnight, for example. In fact, if they're not there by 10pm, theyre not gonna be.
Note to Betong: you turned off your PM capability? I attempted to PM you but could not.
[quote=asianpussylover]anyone who has played in se asia for a while will have inadvertently shagged a teen at some point in time.[/quote]
so true, i've advertently done quite a few eighteen and nineteen y.o. gals myself ;) to be honest i advertently forgot to check a few times when they looked a bit younger.
as a side note i tend to think that there might be more to the story of guys who overreact like d cups and vlad impaler, more than they would admit. frustrations, fantasies, guilt, whatever...
fucking **** girls is illegal but that does not make someone a ****. a **** is someone who is attracted to girls and boys who haven't reached puberty.
a 17 y.o. girl in sea is still very far from having reached adult age (she's got about 23 more years to go in thailand for example:d) but she's reached puberty and there's absolutely no doubt about it!
ps @ vlad impaler: thinking that an 18 years and 1 day old girl is any different than she was 2 days before is, at best, a justification for old and intellectually challenged guys like you who actually feel uncomfortable doing girls a third of their age. i'd feel uncomfortable too but then i wouldn't look for a stupid justification, i'd just go for older girls...
[QUOTE=Asianpussylover]Anyone who has played in SE Asia for a while will have inadvertently shagged a teen at some point in time. Wink ;) All the hot steam u guys are blowing is just that.... Now will someone please post some more info of their latest exploits.
Thank you Evianist.[/QUOTE]
I have extensively played in SE Asia, and I assure you that I never shagged a teen . Just because 1) I don't like too young girls, and 2) whenever I have a doubt, I abstain.
I am sure I am not alone with this attitude.
[QUOTE=Wendella]O
104 st and 136 St. I'm not sure what the deal is with these places. They seem to have siphoned off a lot of the talent from the Martini/Walkabout/Sharky circuit from what i can tell, and not in a good way. Are these girls able to leave and go with you? Or do they need to wait til their bar shuts? What I know for sure is that they won't all go with you, so i wonder around what % do. I walked into one on 104 and a cute Khmer grabbed me as I entered and was extremely flirtatious and touchy. Problem was that soon she seemed to be doing it as kind of a show for her friends. After buying her a drink and enduring her loud attention for awhile, I hit her with the question only to find out she 'has blood today'. Thanks honey. I'm really glad I spent the last few minutes of bar-open time with you.
One of the free magazines (bayon pearnik or canby or that other new small one) talk about how these bars have 'brought thailand style bar culture with bar fines' to Cambodia. Unless I'm missing something, that's false. [b]Can you barfine girls at these bars? [/b]Also, are there some bars that are less likely to "have blood today" or whatever excuse they'll give? the idea of going from one of these bars to the next paying for drinks at each one just on the chance a girl I'm talking to might be able to go to my hotel, but not before 2am... well... it's a pretty stupid setup if that's how it is.
In contrast to previous visits, the places on 63 and 154 are now beckoning me in as I pass. Haven't looked inside. Last time I tried one I lost my pants, literally. Got em back, but.. not exactly the kind of thrill I was after.[/QUOTE]
In answer to one of your questions yes you can Barfine most of the girls in the hostess bars. Each bar has a different system now as barfines are not legal.
Dont go into the brothels on 63 you will lose your wallet again.
Wow, so many reports all the sudden.
I think you will find many girls here in PP will not have IDs. That is just the way it is in Cambodia. It will be interesting to see what percent actually do. Many girls are physically very small here. It does take a bit of recalibrating your age radar. But it's not that hard usually.
Yes the girls do go out from the hostess bars. Some girls will go out and some won't. It can drive you a bit crazy at first. And a little crazy later. But there is little pressure for quick lady drinks. So before your start spending money on the girls start asking some questions. Unlike Thailand where baht usually always talks sometimes girls will go out with a younger nice looking guy and not with an older guy like me. When I'm in a hostess bar with a known expat I am approached much more than when I am an unknown quantity. BTW the exception hostess bar here is Shanghai which IMO serves no useful purpose. I think perhaps they have hostess bars in PP because they can't really have GoGos or such?
The first time I went into Le Cyrcee this trip I was mobbed by seven girls. The owner ran three of them off, including the most interesting one that I had to call back. The girls explained how things work there for me. But one of my harem was very good with English. I didn't notice the few cute Viets that were there a couple of years ago.
The bar now in the old Mikado location is called Solomon Club. At least that is what the sign says. The hotel next door is called Somaly Guest House I think.
FWIW
[QUOTE=RockyMtnWay]
I think you will find many girls here in PP will not have IDs. That is just the way it is in Cambodia. It will be interesting to see what percent actually do. Many girls are physically very small here. It does take a bit of recalibrating your age radar. But it's not that hard usually.[/QUOTE]
Exactly!
Unless things have changed since my last trip in mid 2008, good luck with checking IDs in Cambodia gentlemen!
[QUOTE=Mart Cham]Exactly!
Unless things have changed since my last trip in mid 2008, good luck with checking IDs in Cambodia gentlemen![/QUOTE]
As I said before, you don't need to check IDs. If in doubt, abstain. There are enough women on this earth, many of them in Cambodia, who look old enough so that you don't need to check their IDs
[QUOTE=Dreams]As I said before, you don't need to check IDs. If in doubt, abstain. There are enough women on this earth, many of them in Cambodia, who look old enough so that you don't need to check their IDs[/QUOTE]
You're totally right. However there are still people who recommend to check IDs, although I think it is not even possible.
[QUOTE=Mart Cham]You're totally right. However there are still people who recommend to check IDs, although I think it is not even possible.[/QUOTE]
A bunch of hotels check IDs before letting girls go to your room, so if you are staying at one of them, checking IDs yourself seems to be necessary.
When I'm in a hostess bar with a known expat I am approached much more than when I am an unknown quantity. BTW the exception hostess bar here is Shanghai which IMO serves no useful purpose. I think perhaps they have hostess bars in PP because they can't really have GoGos or such?
I think you are correct on all points.
A friend and I were in a hostess bar one night playing with three girls and there was a guy sitting next to us drinking his beer alone. We started up a bit of a conversation and he complained that he had been in town 3 days and couldnt get laid and did any of the girls even go and if so what was the system.
We both looked at each other a bit stunned then told him well we have these three girls but anyone else in the bar can be yours we called two girls over and immediately his world changed he was having fun. We gave him some advice on how much to pay and 30 min later he was out the door looking very happy.
Shanghai on the other hand is geared for newbie tourists. The girls here are much more forward and aggressive and will tell you anything you want to hear to get drinks but very few of them will go home with you. Many want you to barfine them and take them shopping or dancing but will nearly always find a way out of having sex with you.
gotta say i don't think i've enjoyed myself in cambodia. i've been sick my whole visit, which i'm sure has colored the experience, but here's my reasoning:
-there's jack shit to do -- no tourist sites. no, i don't want to see the fields they dumped dead bodies in. do they even have a movie theater here? if you're solo it's especially boring
-it's not even enjoyable to take a walk -- trash, tuk tuk drivers, beggars and other horrible things to look at
-a lot of the available girls are aggressive thieving drug addicts -- basically the exact opposite of what i'm attracted to
-a lot of the available girls are **** -- i'm not in the hardcore, castrate dudes for sleeping with 17 year olds camp, but i don't want to have to worry about getting myself in trouble, and i don't want to watch very young innocent little girls getting groped by old dudes
-i haven't had one decent meal -- there are a couple ok places on sisowath, but you're paying western prices
the only positives have been that i find the girls to be very pretty, and heart of darkness is pretty cool and has some good djs.
maybe i'll enjoy it more on a fully healthy 2nd visit while bringing a friend with me, but at the moment i'm just chilling in my hotel room saving my energy for my return to thailand.
And taking my first Monger trip.
I will be in Vietnam and Cambodia in a few weeks.
Any advise and is anyone around that wants to meet up?
Did you not go to see any of the old temples?
There are tons of things to do in Cambodia.
Sim Reap? Granted, Thailand tends to be more monger friendly.
But I enjoyed my visit to Cambodia in December.
[quote=evianist]
-a lot of the available girls are aggressive thieving drug addicts -- basically the exact opposite of what i'm attracted to[/quote]
you're being paranoid. even in the drug addicts category, many are nice girls.
[quote=evianist]
-a lot of the available girls are **** -- i'm not in the hardcore, castrate dudes for sleeping with 17 year olds camp, but i don't want to have to worry about getting myself in trouble, and i don't want to watch very young innocent little girls getting groped by old dudes[/quote]
you're being paranoid again. there are not so many **** girls. you're just not used to asian girls.
[quote=evianist]
-i haven't had one decent meal -- there are a couple ok places on sisowath, but you're paying western prices
[/quote]
agreed. eating ain't easy in cambodia. what the locals eat is cheap but boring and tends to make me sick.
well, on saturday night, martini actually had fewer girls (and most of the hot ones didn't show up) but also a big pack of japanese who came and scooped up most of what was acceptable. i next went up to casa disco where i'd read that the working girls there would be easy to spot cuz they all dance together in the middle of the dance floor. at 11.30pm, the middle of the dancer floor (along with every other part of it) was completely empty and just a few normal customers rep001tered around the club. totally dead, at peak time on saturday night. later i went to a bar on 136 and talked awhile with a girl, finally popped the question just to get the standard "blood today" response -- she asked if i would come back tomorrow (which might also be part of the standard script: i was asked the same thing in that bar on 104 a few nights ago after getting the "blood today" excuse, but then my reply was no, i won't come tomorrow.) so this time i followed up and asked her why, and she said she could go with me tomorrow. ok then, this might be something. (or else it might be another part of the standard script) so tonight i'll go there at the appointed time and see if it pans out or whether it was just a slight-of-hand move to try to get a decent tip out of the situation. honestly i have a gut feeling my odds are around 40-60. i half expect either she won't be working or else she'll still have blood. on the other hand, it could be she already had to go meet a customer last night so had to use the blood excuse for that reason. we'll soon find out.
ended the night at hod, which was absurdly packed and sweaty, with far far more foreigners than on other nights, the dance floor much more expanded and active, and fewer working girls in amongst the crowd than on previous nights.
i'm the kind of guy who won't take a girl unless she's striking in some way. i've gone out here 3 nights now and have gone home alone every night. i've been tempted just a few times but haven't been able to close the deal for one reason or another (girl disappeared, girl quickly scooped up by japanese guy, blood today, cold look-away, etc.)
guys this place has fallen off a cliff in terms of quality. there used to be too many options here. now there's practically nothing.
btw, i can say that i haven't seen any girls that looked **** to me in any of these places i've checked out. i always ask the girls' age when i talk to them and the lowest age i've heard so far is 20.
[QUOTE=Wendella]she asked if I would come back tomorrow (which might also be part of the standard script: I was asked the same thing in that bar on 104 a few nights ago after getting the "blood today" excuse, but then my reply was No, I won't come tomorrow.) so this time I followed up and asked her why, and she said she could go with me tomorrow. OK then, this might be something. (or else it might be another part of the standard script) So tonight I'll go there at the appointed time and see if it pans out or whether it was just a slight-of-hand move to try to get a decent tip out of the situation. Honestly I have a gut feeling my odds are around 40-60. I half expect either she won't be working or else she'll still have blood. On the other hand, it could be she already had to go meet a customer last night so had to use the blood excuse for that reason. We'll soon find out.[/QUOTE]
Don't bother. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.
[QUOTE=Backtobasics]A bunch of hotels check IDs before letting girls go to your room, so if you are staying at one of them, checking IDs yourself seems to be necessary.[/QUOTE]
I've always stayed at 20-30$ places and the girls have never been asked to show an ID.
The reason that there are fewer working girls on the Friday, Saturday and Sunday at the heart is that they have to pay $3 entrance fee. A girl can go in for free if she is with a guy but a guy can only take in one girl this way. The $3 ticket is remediable for drinks though so its not all bad if you want to take more than one girl in. However this does cut back the number of free working girls in the place on the weekends.
[quote=wendella]well, on saturday night, martini actually had fewer girls (and most of the hot ones didn't show up) but also a big pack of japanese who came and scooped up most of what was acceptable. i next went up to casa disco where i'd read that the working girls there would be easy to spot cuz they all dance together in the middle of the dance floor. at 11.30pm, the middle of the dancer floor (along with every other part of it) was completely empty and just a few normal customers rep001tered around the club. totally dead, at peak time on saturday night. later i went to a bar on 136 and talked awhile with a girl, finally popped the question just to get the standard "blood today" response -- she asked if i would come back tomorrow (which might also be part of the standard script: i was asked the same thing in that bar on 104 a few nights ago after getting the "blood today" excuse, but then my reply was no, i won't come tomorrow.) so this time i followed up and asked her why, and she said she could go with me tomorrow. ok then, this might be something. (or else it might be another part of the standard script) so tonight i'll go there at the appointed time and see if it pans out or whether it was just a slight-of-hand move to try to get a decent tip out of the situation. honestly i have a gut feeling my odds are around 40-60. i half expect either she won't be working or else she'll still have blood. on the other hand, it could be she already had to go meet a customer last night so had to use the blood excuse for that reason. we'll soon find out.
ended the night at hod, which was absurdly packed and sweaty, with far far more foreigners than on other nights, the dance floor much more expanded and active, and fewer working girls in amongst the crowd than on previous nights.
i'm the kind of guy who won't take a girl unless she's striking in some way. i've gone out here 3 nights now and have gone home alone every night. i've been tempted just a few times but haven't been able to close the deal for one reason or another (girl disappeared, girl quickly scooped up by japanese guy, blood today, cold look-away, etc.)
guys this place has fallen off a cliff in terms of quality. there used to be too many options here. now there's practically nothing.
btw, i can say that i haven't seen any girls that looked **** to me in any of these places i've checked out. i always ask the girls' age when i talk to them and the lowest age i've heard so far is 20.[/quote]
if you would like to meet up send me a pm or drop me a line. i can point you in the right direction and cut down on your disappointments.
[QUOTE=Mart Cham]Agreed. Eating ain't easy in Cambodia. What the locals eat is cheap but boring and tends to make me sick.[/QUOTE]Once again, different strokes.
In cambodia I have eaten as well as anywhere else in southeast Asia, especially in Phnom Penh - so many fantastic eating options there.
[QUOTE=Singlemalt72]In cambodia I have eaten as well as anywhere else in southeast Asia, especially in Phnom Penh - so many fantastic eating options there.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. It's possible to eat badly in PP but even the smallest amount of research will lead you to very good food indeed. We all have our complaints about the country but food shouldn't be one of them.
[QUOTE=Betong]Absolutely. It's possible to eat badly in PP but even the smallest amount of research will lead you to very good food indeed.[/QUOTE]
I guess it's a matter of taste then. I don't consider burgers and fries as good food. In Thailand I eat Thai 99,99% of the time, in Cambodia I don't eat Khmer.
The only half decent meals I have had in Cambodia were Western food and cost 10$ up. For this price I can eat in my home country.
[QUOTE=Betong]We all have our complaints about the country but food shouldn't be one of them.[/QUOTE]
Interestingly this is my complaint number 1 about Cambodia!
[QUOTE=Mart Cham]The only half decent meals I have had in Cambodia were Western food and cost 10$ up.[/QUOTE]It's true, Western food in Cambodia is no bargain, though it can be very good.
For Cambodian food I find it's best to avoid the places with pots of pre-made food (unlike in Thailand, where they can be great). But go to almost any place that's filled with locals and does cooked-to-order dishes and the food can be every bit as good as Thai. The only problem is that at the authentic places there's never an English menu so if you don't speak Khmer you have to do some pointing at other people's plates. The tourist-oriented places are generally crap.
Apologies to non-foodies for the diversion. I'll get back to sex next post.
I know dozens of good Khmer cafes'. Maybe it takes living here to discover them.
Perhaps an unnecessary soap box here but there seems to be a lot of discontent posted about various aspects of PP. FWIW I often tell friends I think 90% of the guys that go to Thailand probably wouldn't like PP. PP isn't anything like walking into a GoGo on Walking Street, buying a couple of lady drinks and then bar fining. The scene takes a little more effort, like most everything in Cambodia, but once you get settled in it can be a lot of fun. So if you want something different and a bit of an adventure come to PP. Come with an open mind that you are going someplace that works differently. But there is the possibility that it might just might not be your cup of tea. No shame in that, at least you don't have to sit and wonder what might have been.
I never learned to eat Thai food when there and I don't eat local food here (much to my discredit and probably my health). I think the barang food is good here especially along the riverfront (with the exception of beef). I find nice Barang meals all over the place for around $5 or sometimes less (before drinks). Some of the fancy places on the riverfront can cost much more. But I had a nice meal right on the riverfront last night for $5.
I have only stayed in three hotels here but have never had a girl asked for an ID. The place I'm staying now closes up at 11 PM to 1 AM and I have to knock on the gate to get the guard to open the gate. The guard doesn't give a damn. He just wants to go back to sleep. I have heard that with recent difficulties Walkabout is asking for IDs for girls that you take to you room. But I must say I don't know that for a fact. So for the most part it is up to you to make the judgment on age and keep yourself out of any possible trouble. Again this isn't (you know where). The young girls in Thailand have fake IDs or have borrowed one from their sister...
Sorry, peace, soapbox off.
RMW
I am finally getting divorced and as a long time reader, first time traveler.
I will be making my first trip (to Vietnam and Cambodia) in 2 weeks.
Does anybody have any advice and is anybody else going to be there and want to get together?
Feeling a bit sick today, and will be staying in my hotel room watching Olympics. (Mr Shadow, please accept my rain check for meeting up! And thanks much for the invitation)
Well, as 9pm approached I did actually have the feeling that I'd been set up for disappointment. But I showed up on time, and from the look in the girls face and the way she was behaving, it did seem like she never really did intend to go through with it. Another chubby girl was sticking to us like glue, which was annoying. I brought her the name card for my hotel since she seemed to have some concern about that when we talked the previous night. She looked at it and said she didn't know the hotel. And that seemed to be what was going to be the excuse. But not sure what got said in Khmer, but suddenly I was being asked if I could pay a $10 bar fine. I agreed and next she was insisting on just one hour. It was obvious she was uncomfortable so I asked her if she was ok. Anyway, we finalized the deal and took off for my hotel. She seemed pretty shy and starfishy, but it was ok. Damage was $30 to her and $10 to the bar, and she stayed almost 2 hrs, agreed to 2 pops but I was too tired to get the last one in, let her leave.
So $40 for ST for the one you want. Not a great deal. That used to be the appeal of PP, how easy and cheap it was. Now it's hard and slightly cheaper (compared to Thailand and other SEA). I mean I know it's easy to walk into one of those massage places and pay a lot less, but... they're kind of gross, for me at least that's a turnoff, not an enjoyable experience, and you don't get much control in the situation.
Btw, I headed into this one with Plan B already in place and expecting that's what I would be doing - so it was a pleasant surprise this worked out.
Western food $10?
Surely very place on the riverside has good food with four or five dollars as does sharkies.
Unless one goes to metro or the FCC the food is good value,some here need a mum to look after them.
Went to Walkabout at around 10:30 last night.
Only saw about 5 girls and some western guys looking awkward.
By the way I got a cheeseburger from here the other day and it was the grossest thing I've ever eaten.
Went to Sharky's. Same girls as the other day.
Went to heart of darkness. Was 75% men, with about 30 available girls. The girls were giving me a lot of attention which was nice. Turned a lot of girls down.
Finally took home a 20 year old girl. You know when you take a girl and then when she gets naked you realize she's all busted up and you picked the wrong girl? This was like the opposite of that. Her breasts were either a big C or a D. Never been pregnant, not a fat girl. Good heavens what a body. Too young and inexperienced to be a good fuck, but she made up for it in other ways.
Anyone knows what happened to Cayote Ugly ? it was nearby wat Phnom
I liked the place very much but last week it was closed
I have RTFF but nothing about is it's moved
Please help if you know where is is now
my last day in phnom penh was a strange one. i felt like crap all day, just stayed in my room. finally ventured out to get something decent to eat around 730 and after that thought ok, one more time let me head back to martini and see if i can hook up with the one hottie who the japanese guy grabbed a couple nights back. i guess i'll share details since guys who hit martini these days may know who i'm talking about. she's a tallish girl, thin, modelesque face with high cheekbones, very good darkish skin, even wears mascara -- and she has very straight bangs (to americans) or fringe (to brits) and seems to actually get her hair done, which also has that vogue-ish look to it. despite the darkish skin, she's vietnamese. anyone know who i mean? if the lead bartender at circee is a 9 to some, this ones definitely 9.5. she was the hottest one i saw there by a good distance on the 4 nights i stopped into martini. so i thought if she's there, ok, but if not then i'll just sleep tonight and try to get healthy. i was even feeling like if the vibe with her wasn't especially good, i might just skip it. i had no desire to run around to all the spots the way i did on other nights. well, after waiting around about an hour there (from 9 to 10pm), it got to be obvious she was a no-show tonight. thought i might mention here that it really seems like the same thing is happening to martini that happened a few years ago to thermae in bangkok -- that is, it's turning japanese, i think it's turning japanese, i really think so. and those guys are dogs, man. they'll go hang out at the tables and seats just near the entrance so they can pounce on any hot girl they see enter before anyone else has a chance. you guys hanging out at the bar have no chance if these guys are there. and if the thermae stands as a lesson, these guys will consistently draw the hotter ones for no reason other than that they're asian and therefore less ugly and smelly to the vietnamese and khmer girls. i don't think its about overspending, cuz no japanese guy on an expense account is gonna waste his time at martini (or thermae) -- i'm sure he can find better in higher end spots around town. these are the cheap charlies of japan. so after watching some of these guys grab the best on offer there, at a bit before 10pm i decided that bangs isn't gonna show tonight. i start to head out, figuring i'll take a quick peek at heart next because maybe she went there (and cuz someone informed me mon-thurs are the better nights there). walking out the door, in comes a tall thin girl, one i hadn't seen yet on any night there, quite pretty and dark skinned -- clearly cambodian. she passed me in an instant, and i thought, what the hell? i did a rubberneck to watch her go the other way and immediately was struck by a sight you don't see often (not til later in the hotel at least) -- the waistline of her shorts were somewhere around 2/3 up her butt cheeks, so i was getting that same view of her you associate with that unwanted glimpse of handymen when they crouch down to look through their toolbox -- too much crack, basically. well, i did a u-turn and headed back into the club so i could get a better look. but she stopped right there at the very first table -- i mean those big heavy wooden ones just inside the entrance, not yet in the bar area. she sat down alone there. i went into the club and took a seat where i could still see her. other girls passed by, none of them made any gesture to say hello or acknowledge her, which seemed strange. and she just stayed there, not seeming to want to come into the club. finally i thought, ok, this is about as low hanging and high quality a fruit as you can hope for. i'm the only guy who's even aware this girl is here, and she's just sitting there alone waiting for someone to talk to her. i guess. so i head over. say hello as i'm slowing down, ask her name. she says hello but doesn't make eye contact. i go round and ask if it's ok to sit down, she's ok with that -- so i do and make some small talk. again, it's odd the way she's answering but not looking at me. asked her name, and she said something that sounded really complex with about 4 syllables. ugh. at one awkward pause in our conversation she suddenly said something about 10 o'clock and quickly got up and walked inside, leaving me there at the table. now i get it, i think, she knew immediately i wasn't her type, or something. she wasn't into it. ok. that's life. damn, she was pretty damn hot, but... that was a pretty clear rejection. oh well, i gave it my best shot. time to go.
well... now i want something easy. circee. aside from that circee 9 bartender girl (who i'd peg as an 8 actually) there was one other one there who i'd give a 7.5... maybe she's there. at least we know that place won't be difficult. so i took a motorbike taxi up there, walked in and there she was, first girl i saw as i entered the bar -- giving some guy a massage. i think i stopped in at that place 5 times this visit, and 5 times she was busy with another customer. so i think, ok maybe this customer will pay and go in a little while and then she'll be free... so let me go grab a beer at mikado (salomon now) and see what that's like, come back in a few minutes. so i did that. miserable. not one in the place i was even slightly tempted by. all of them really really forward and touchy. had some older fat girl who would not take her hands off me. i finally asked her not to touch, she said ok, then moved her hands to touch me on another spot on my body. ugh. not my kind of place. so i finish my beer quickly and walk back to circee. this time, the girl is gone. ugh. guess they went upstairs. or out. doesn't matter cuz either way it's no.
what next. well, there's always 136. i didn't wanna go back and meet the same girl again from the previous night -- and actually the best one i saw in that whole strip was her sister, who i got introduced to when i went to meet my girl the night before. but that probably wouldn't have gone over very well, would it -- returning the next night and asking if i could sleep with her baby sister who just started working there. anyway, wasn't interested enough in finding out and actually my ambivalence from earlier was growing. one bar i'd heard about but hadn't checked out was candy (or is it candyland or candybar). all the bars on that strip seem to have about 8-12 girls. walk in the door at candy, and its around 40. i go in there and stick around awhile -- but again, the ambivlance sets in. nothing looking like it's gonna beat out watching the olympics. i leave the bar. well...head back to the hotel? ok one more quick stop: heart. maybe the vogue girl went there. ok i know of course she didn't but what the hell its my last night in town. you never know.
so i walk in the door at heart. it's pretty much like it was every other night. no fresh faces, none that tempt. i was feeling really tired now, not really in the mood at all any more anyway, not interested in hitting any more bars, last night in town or not. time to hit the hotel.
so i get a motorbike to take me back. he pulls up in front of my place at street 13 and 118 (which is a spot where there's nothing) and who's slowly walking up the street right in front of the entrance to my hotel? the tall thin girl i chatted with back at martini. she looks at me and recognizes me, walks over toward me, carrying a little bag that seemed to have some kind of snack in it. "are you alone?" she asks. i say yes. the rest is a blur but at one point she said "up to you" and $20 was offered and next thing i knew we were heading up the stairs together. finally, some luck! and what luck -- when our eyes met she was literally walking directly in front of the door to my hotel, as my motorbike pulled to a stop. on a dark side street that's got nothing at all open on it. getting a chance to see her up close in my room, now i realized that those shorts she had on were about 3 sizes too small, so they couldn't get up over her hips and would hang down too low. she still had that strange way of not looking me in the eye, but was quite affectionate and willing, and knew where and how to touch to get things going. good deep kissing. very nice. no starfish this time. this girl was aiming to please.
when we were done, she asked me if i wanted her to go, and i was really exhausted and having to leave first thing in the morning, so i said yes that would be better. so she got up and went. i put on espn and went to get something to drink.
a couple minutes later there was a knock on the door. i guessed it was the front desk guy checking if everything was ok -- no, it was her. she forgot her little snack-bag on the night stand. i let her back in to get the bag, then she left again. ok. time for bed.
watched some olympics before finally falling asleep with the tv on. after dozing off, i was awakened by a light knocking again on teh door -- i guess it was 45 minutes after getting in bed. i open it: her again. again! she forgot her watch on the nightstand. how strange. she came in and got it, then asked me if it would be ok if she stayed with me tonight. huh? for a fraction of a second i considered it, and if i'd had energy (felt sick earlier) and didn't need to get up early, i'd have been very into it -- but i had to decline, and she was ok with that, left again, finally, forever.
she was like the ghost of phnom penh past -- really pretty girl with a great body who seems to have no idea how hot she is, and willing to do anything you want (and really well) for very little money. and then will cling to you on top of it. wish i'd ran into her the 1st night instead of the last.
does anyone know who this girl is? strange final night, and it rescued the visit. the one the previous night was definitely a winner (due to her looks mainly), but definitely was not easy. like it seemed as if there was no way she'd do lt, and she's the type you'd want lt. more on that one later though.
About Candy Bar... I ended up being approached there by a quite cute (tho not enough to overcome my tired blase vibe at that point) mute girl who handed me a flyer for some kind of island trip they do.. I think this one was going to be on the 21st Feb -- according to the flyer, you go out by boat to some river island along with what they say would be 60 girls for a day trip. Price $25. Food and drinks included, I think.
About the 104 St bar from my first night, I'm pretty sure it was Night Owl -- the Khmer girl there who toyed with me was exaggeratedly flirtatious but it was seeming like a big show for her friends, and she kept saying lots to those other girls in Khmer, everything eliciting lots of laughs, then a bit of attention back to me, then again Khmer joking, which was giving me the feeling I was being ridiculed by her. Kept a smile on throughout and never gave up til I got her final answer about her 'have blood today'. Whether she was mocking me in Khmer or not didn't matter to me too much -- I just wanted to go home with someone, and she was my last chance since it was just after 2am and all the bars about to shut (or so I thought then -- actually -- is 2am closing time? It is for some, I know) She was cute enough that even after the "blood" line, I stopped back there a couple times on other nights to see what would happen if I met her again after her period was obviously finished, but never did spot here there again.
About swimming... Damn, damn Billabong. That was one place I was eager to go stay, thought it'd be perfect having a swimming pool to hang out at during the day. But they switched to no female guests sometime in the past couple years, so that was that. So this time I figured I'd stay at another hotel and go there to hang out at the pool during the day, pay the fee. So one day I walked there from my hotel (near the riverfront) with my towel and swimsuit in my bag. Arrived and asked how much for swimming and was told: NO GUESTS. They changed their damn policy again. I asked why, he said because there are already too many hotel guests who want to use the pool. I looked and saw 4 people total in the swimming pool area. Sweat is dripping off me. I wanted to strangle the guy. Anyway, after that I went round the corner and talked to people at Flamingo and was told Cambodiana Hotel has a pool. So I took a motorbike taxi there. Has anyone seen this pool? The grounds of this place are vast and luxurious, so you figure it's gonna be good. Then you go through the lobby, out the back left side, and there is... a tiny miserable pool surrounded by a giant deck. It's an absurdly lousy pool for a hotel like that. It's a joke. And it's all in shade. No sun. So next I thought I'd check out if this NagaWorld next door has a pool. I go there. No they don't. I think they said "not yet". So I talked with the concierge and he said there's the Phnom Penh Sports Club pool on street 271. Turns out its way down a tad south of the Russian Market. I'm desperate though. I need pool. So I get on a motorbike taxi and he heads off, gets lost, finally we get there. It's fine. It's 2 pools, one for kids and another Olympic style (25m long)... with an outdoor patio restaurant and a couple big jacuzzis (one piping hot, the other cool) as well as sauna (closed at the time) and steam room, all ok to use for your $5 entry fee. It's a bit too family-oriented to be a great pool to relax at (a bit noisy) but it was by far the best option I found, especially now that Billabong is out. Man, screw Billabong. I so hate Billabong now.
About Khmer's ridicule... As I left the PP Sport Club, I took some side streets to go check out the Russian Market. As I walked past a group of people, there was a group of 30ish Khmer guys hanging out behind a car with some kids playing in the street just past them. As I pass the guys, one starts walking toward me and says something to me that sounded like muh-KAI Mom as he's laughing, apparently at me. Seemed to be showing off for his friends, they're all laughing along with him of course... no idea what he said but made a point of remembering what it sounded like in case I met someone later who spoke Khmer. I just kept walking on my way as if whatever he said made no sense to me, which it didn't. Pretty sure it wasn't friendly, whatever it was.
I ended up spending 2 nights with the 20 year old chesty girl. She wasn't really very into sex. Always wanting to stop and asking when I'm going to come.
At one point she started to smoke me instead of finishing me with sex. When I started to come in her mouth she pulled me out immediately and then ran to the bathroom and gagged for a while and asked why I did that. It was pretty melodramatic. I've never had anyone come in my mouth but there's no way it can be as bad as this girl made it out to be.
I paid her $25 LT the first night and only $10 the second night b/c she was too tired to boom boom and so I said "ok but I no pay" and only took a HJ in the morning. She was probably annoyed but oh well too bad.
Back in Bangkok now and much happier. Have taken 2 girls already and both have been amazing performers and sweet on top of that.
Will give Cambodia another try sometime. Maybe it was my fault I didn't have a great time there.
Great reporting Wendella. Was thinking of a popping over to PP soon, so thanks for the detailed update,obviously I was lucky to be there in it's heyday,things seem to be a little harder now. I used to love the Billiabong too, had ok,clean rooms,good food and pool and I even managed a bit of late night swimming with a few young ladies a couple of times.Shame they seem to have changed attitudes ,the management a few years back seemed like nice guys.
[QUOTE=Ds4217]I am finally getting divorced
I will be making my first trip (to Vietnam and Cambodia) in 2 weeks.
Does anybody have any advice ?[/QUOTE]
Don't get married again.
[QUOTE=Shearer68]Great reporting Wendella. Was thinking of a popping over to PP soon, so thanks for the detailed update,obviously I was lucky to be there in it's heyday,things seem to be a little harder now. I used to love the Billiabong too, had ok,clean rooms,good food and pool and I even managed a bit of late night swimming with a few young ladies a couple of times.Shame they seem to have changed attitudes ,the management a few years back seemed like nice guys.[/QUOTE]
Yeah its weird -- the place is located right in the middle of lots of prostitute pickup spots (street 63, Heart of Darkness, Walkabout, Circee, etc etc) on a street that looks totally "third world slum". Its not an area any sensible tourist would want to be in with their family. There are no restaurants for foreign tourists in the area. No sights. It's a bit like having a resort for Christian evangelists located in the heart of the super-gay Castro neighborhood of San Francisco.
I guess it all comes down to dollars and riel. That said, their cheapest rooms are $36 for a room that definitely feels small, comparable to one you'd pay $15-20 for elsewhere.
But one thing: that town definitely desperately needs some reasonably priced hotels with pools where overnight guests are allowed. There's NOTHING to do in the day there. It's so freaking hot and humid, it's SO obvious a pool would be a big draw at any hotel, the sure fire way to get a leg up on your competition. Yet there are so few, and the ones that exist are so terrible (Cambodiana's, Casa's is even more ridiculous). When they do have pools, they seem to start out with the idea that they want to build something that can be portrayed as a pool on a website or brochure but of course won't cost as much as a real pool to install. So you show up and find out it's just a mini-pool, 4 feet deep and no room to swim anywhere. I mean, these pools they have there are a joke. Even Billabong's is pretty small though.
You could stay at the Phnom Penh International Hotel up near Calmet Hospital. $85 per night on the VIP floors 4th floor and up. There are a few others but my memory is not working to great just now.
Billabong in very good location near the central market and the sorya, only mongers know of the red lights around there.
Pool pretty good size I think however with the 20 odd new rooms being added, or is it 30 may get squeezy.
Billabong trade up nearly 30% after sex tourist ban.
The three french hotels in the paviilion group are always full as is the villa langka.
They just don't need the sort of people who inhabit this site.
Very good pool at the holiday international near what phnom, place just renovated and with an asian clientel has lost of women around.
Himiwari pool so so but one can go to the country club or the VIP to swim in the daytime.
first went to pp in '96. it was the best and cheapest mongering place i have ever seen. ever since then it has gone gradually downhill. last trip, a year ago now, it was officially deceased. went into martini at 11pm friday night: dead. same on saturday. ditto everywhere else. sharkey appears to be more of a couples / backpackers place nowadays. of course they needed to deal with the **** thing, but as usual it has gone way too far the other way now. you can't find a wg in pp who hasn't been on the game for less than 10 years now. unless someone tells me it's perked up again (unlikely), i'll never bother again.
[QUOTE=Yiddo]Last trip, a year ago now, it was officially deceased. Went into Martini at 11pm Friday night: dead. Same on Saturday. Ditto everywhere else. [/QUOTE]I can report first hand that things have improved from that description at least. I was there last week. On my last visit to Martini I did a headcount, which was tough cuz everyone moves around, from room to room, before you can finish counting. I came up with 55-60 girls in the club at around 9.45pm. It looked to be the typical number, and I went there 4 different nights out of my 5 in PP. WHen I stopped in at Sharkys a couple times, there were girls there too (not as many as Martini, and not as cute in general). Walkabout was the one place that always seemed dead.
Great swimming pool info, Phil. Will check some of those out next time in town. The new no-outside-guests at Billabong's pool is a real bummer cuz thats exactly the kind of pool I like to chill out at -- good atmosphere, decent food at poolside, no kids, quiet. I didn't notice they were adding new rooms, but that was a glaring need at that place (such a big property with so few hotel rooms built into it).
Holiday is the hotel that has the Manhattan disco? Any idea what they charge for outside guest to use pool? That sounds like it could be a good candidate.
I don't have first-hand knowledge of this, but Elsewhere has a pool, and you can use it, as well as wifi, if you spend $5 at the bar/restaurant. It's just off St.51 on the first street south of Sihanouk Blvd.
[quote=yiddo]first went to pp in '96. it was the best and cheapest mongering place i have ever seen. ever since then it has gone gradually downhill. last trip, a year ago now, it was officially deceased. went into martini at 11pm friday night: dead. same on saturday. ditto everywhere else. sharkey appears to be more of a couples / backpackers place nowadays. of course they needed to deal with the **** thing, but as usual it has gone way too far the other way now. you can't find a wg in pp who hasn't been on the game for less than 10 years now. unless someone tells me it's perked up again (unlikely), i'll never bother again.[/quote]walkabout is the only place that's empty every night.
the other places have girls, but you're right that they're mostly hardened pros. doesn't seem like there are many semi-pros or new girls. i'd guess most of these types are ending up in the hostess bars.
from what i had read, i was expecting great things in cambodia, but that must be past glory because it was a definite disappointment.
Yeh, well., it must be that what tourist experience and expats do is quite different.,
As my house is just a few hundred meters(yes Wendella) from Martini I am there quite often, what is reported about it is more or less true, there are days its quite empty, but for expats that does not matter because we have all the girls there number and for 10/15 bucks they gladly (all) of them, come to your house so even no need to go in there for us.
There are so many other places to go beside the shitholes on riverside and side streets, but of course no one of your posters want to set their pride aside and ask for some help. Like to swim? An olympic size swimming pool 5 minutes from my house. Girl friendly.
But for those unable to get laid in the Penh, there is still Assene his bar, Le Circee or opposite former Mikado, now called Somaly where 15/20 bucks get you what you want, so whats the problem? Ahaa., what is inside is not good enough for you? You want real stunners, real real stunners, possible, easily in the Penh, but not for 20 bucks and not in the places you frequent.
Pay Bangkok prices and you will get them, but then again you can just as well stay home, not so.
For us expats we like it you can not get laid in the Penh, keeps prices down, is good for us. A few hours ago a real stunner came to my house before she started her job at Martini, damage 15 bucks, how nice, and this one is working almost every evening in Martini, and you can not find her? How come? Is better you go Pattaya.
he is charged with violating article 28 "procurement with regard to child prostitution"....if found guilty gets 7-15 years for victims **** of 18.
he is also charged with article 35 "soliciting for child prostitution"....if found guilty gets 5-10 years if the offense is committed as a business. the american paid him nearly 8 grand for the 3 girls. good riddance to him, his partner, and the american.
[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter]Yeh, well., it must be that what tourist experience and expats do is quite different.,[/QUOTE]
Oooh look at me I am mr. big shot expat I know everything and have every gorgeous girl in the city's cell phone number ooooh woooo hooooo I am so fond of myself my life is so wonderful I am so much better than tourists and I like to rub on my genitals every day with fine imported feathers
of course your post doesn't actually provide any info to anyone which makes it pretty useless
[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter]Yeh, well., it must be that what tourist experience and expats do is quite different.[/QUOTE]
Yo dude what's with the attitude? Relax man. Yes I did ask some pepole some questions, but by private message. I also did some RTFF. I didn't ask newbie type questions here because I'd already read up and found answers. About the pool, Billabong's had been available to non-hotel-guests until recently, so there was no reason to be asking around about pools to go to, as far as I knew. As soon as I found out it wasn't available, which was when I showed up there to go swimming, I immediately asked around in the area to find another one - I had my towel in a bag and my swimsuit already on under my shorts, and it was late afternoon -- so I wasn't gonna go ask on the internet.
So what else. Yeah prices are lower and and connections are better for expats than for tourists. I know. I expect to have it tougher when I visit as a tourist. And I'm willing to deal with that (pay more, have fewer options). Thats life.
Anyway... Somaly's? The sign outside did say Salomon. Maybe its called Somaly in Khmer, I dunno. Yeah those girls looked pretty rough, I have to say. If I don't feel that tingle down there, it ain't gonna happen. At Circee there was one I'd have taken but she was always busy with another customer whenever I was there. And then there was the hottie bartender who was unavailable to customers. The others weren't tempting. To me at least. Does it bug you that I'm picky? We're all different man. Some of us less picky, some of more. Life would be way easier for me, and happier I guess, if I wasn't picky, but I am. If the girl isn't cute enough to get me going, I can't get into it. For me, I'd rather go back to the hotel and watch tv and have snacks than take back a girl I'm not that into. That's just me.
Well it sounds like you probably know some good places for the stunner types, and at higher prices from what you say. Fair enough. I'm sure some here would be interested to hear where. I read a few months back about one, I think on Mao Tse Tung Blvd or someplace down there. Khmer-oriented club supposedly a bit tough to navigate for a foreigner, let alone a non-Khmer speaking tourist like me.
Are you cool with sharing info with people here...? From the way you were talking, not sure. If yes, let's talk about it. If not... well... ok.
Anyway, no harm meant from my end. Not sure what part of what I wrote ticked you off. Was just describing things from my own tourist POV. And I don't live in Thailand, if you thought that. I've only been to Pattaya twice, Bangkok a few times. But I still think it's obvious to anyone who visits both in a short tiem span that BKK has way more available than PP. But if you find what you like in PP, that's all good. Me, I'm in Vietnam, and I have to say I get bored of what's available here, feel a hunger to experience something different (which was what got me over to PP this time). Actually, for that reason, I was much less interestd in the VN girls at Martini than in Khmer girls. Something different.
I totally believe it if you say Martini is empty some nights. It's just on the nights I happened to be there, it looked like it was about 50-60 girls every time (Th, Fr, Su, Mo). I've seen it busier than that on some previous visits in past yrs... and at the old location down in the southwest corner of town (where it was from the 90s until the early 00s).
[quote=taloha]he is charged with violating article 28 "procurement with regard to child prostitution"....if found guilty gets 7-15 years for victims **** of 18.
he is also charged with article 35 "soliciting for child prostitution"....if found guilty gets 5-10 years if the offense is committed as a business. the american paid him nearly 8 grand for the 3 girls. good riddance to him, his partner, and the american.[/quote]
holy crow. 8 thousand dollars? thats insane. how old were these 3 girls? will be interesting to see how this one plays out. this sovanmee was on here quite a bit in the past and always trying to get business from members here (to be their driver), and i guess he was pming people offering these kinds of service he's in trouble for now. its a good bet that the authorities have gained access to his email and account here, so would have access also to whatever he wrote to anyone or anyone wrote to him, and with those email addresses they can probably figure out who is who.
[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter]As my house is just a few hundred meters from Martini[/QUOTE]
Thank god I don't have to live there.
But anyway, such a long post with zero information.
What for? You have much time to kill?
Enjoy!
[QUOTE=Ekspat]Thank god I don't have to live there.
But anyway, such a long post with zero information.
What for? You have much time to kill?
Enjoy![/QUOTE]
In an earlier post, he recommended 'massage' at Youchouv. As that was a rare nugget for him to share, can anyone else attest to the qluality of service ay Youchouv?
Look, I have been living here for nearly three years and I speak pretty fair khmer.
The tourists go to the usual spots and often get a bum deal.
If one can speak khmer the options are endless, so many nice girls.
The best girls now work at Khmer night spots where only khmer is spoken.
They make much money with the khmers, japanese and koreans-we are the poor cousins who hate to send money.
Asians love to go ouit and drink heaps and spend money-this is the 21st century and they have the dosh, not us.
I drive the streets every day and I see so many good places, not that I go.
I find that driving around at 5 to 6 at night one sees the best girls being delivered to work by the boyfriend.
If one was a real serious hunter one would follow these girls to their place of work.
Even if someone was giving you the way to certain clubs, it would be very very difficult for you to find them without help on the ground from someone who knows them.
Riverside and the side streets? I never come there as I do not pay barfines or lady drinks. I am more off the 'beaten track'.
But from 'hearsay' on street 104 Zanzibar and Rose bar and on street 136 bar '69' have some quality inside and 'specials'. Just find out for yourself. Also you can have a try at Nay Nay on street 102, a friend found a stunner inside there a few months back, so good he kept her for a week.
For me, the best way for ANYBODY to get an endless supply of girls, be it a tourist or expat (but as tourist you will pay a little bit more, but does that matter as you are only short time here) is to befriend a mamasan or a working girl who is on the verge of becoming a mamasan due to her age, and if you be nice to them and you are a good person and treat the girls well, I guarantee you an endless supply of girls whenever you like for 10/15 bucks ST. I know this as a certainty myself, I think you understand.
Also, if you know an expat in the Penh who is using this 'system' he can take you right into the middle of the cake.
Having said all this, however you must clearly understand that many girls you meet anywhere are 'available'. For a certain price.
This country is not Thailand, the amount of beathy found there is not here. If you always insist on a stunner it is going to cost you from 80/100 bucks and up. In this field you are competing with the Chinese and other business people and you are not going to find them in the 'barang' joints.
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I nearly forgot to mentoin one incident at Martini. On the night I was in pursuit of the Vogue girl (the Viet one iwth the bangs/fringe--btw, do you guys know who it is I mean? She was there almost every night when i was in town), and she got nabbed by the Japanese guy just as I was about to approach her, there was another girl there who I talked to. She was tallish, very thin, and light skinned, also Vietnamese--every time I saw her at the club, she was wearing a black dress that showed her armss and shoulders. Anyway, she said she would go for $40 LT, or $20 ST. I showed interest in LT but said that was too high, I said $25 LT (bargaining here, didn't expect her to come down that far). Well, she then came back and said she'd do $17 ST or $40 LT. I asked why not come down for LT? I offered her $30 LT next. She said, no, $40. Then... she got up and walked away. Weird. She reduced the ST price but wouldn't budge an inch on LT. Just as well, because that was the clue I took to leave (I woudl have felt like I was settling with her, accepting a consolation prize). After that I went to St 136 and found the little spinner hottie that I ended up wiht the next night for $40, there's a good chance if I'd taken the VN girl I never would've hooked up with that one (which was a clear improvement -- she was even cuter than the Vogue girl). But now that I remember, I think that big table of Japanese guys was like blood in the water, and she was the shark circling. She actually was kind of loitering always right around the permiter of where those guys were all sitting. And it looked like they all had found partners, so it didn't look like she was gonna get picked.
I totally expect to have to pay more as a tourist, so that's fine. Are those prices I got asked at the 136 bars standard? They wanted $10 bar fine and then $30 for ST with the girl. Yeah I know thats; way high for expats, but I wonder if a tourist can bargain it down. The girl I had there was even hesitant to go out with me AT ALL, so I didn't have too much bargaining room. But that night I came back for her, even after we had arranged to go out and the price, she had that look on her face like she was half thinking of a reason to say No. That's something us tourists really have to deal with a lot more I'm pretty sure.
So I'm curious about the high end stunner type scenes you guys talk about, where the Chinese/Asians/local rich Khmers go. The places I've heard most about are Manhattan disco, Casa disco, and X2. Are those some of the ones you have in mind? (I did check Casa and it was totally dead the night I was there, which was a Friday night just after 11pm). When I come back, I'd definitely at least go check out some of these higher end type places, at least just to see what's available there, and possibly to try to take some out. You have to treat yourself once in awhile.
A year ago many girls in bars would not go, for those who live here now they all go and for less money.
The nicest hostesses will go nowadays if they like you for $20 long time.
Martini maybe $20 short time.
Khmer places arent cheap but they have the best girls, but one must speak khmer even to get in the door, let alone talk to girls.
Any KTV, x2 or 5000 up to now 10, 000 riel place can be great-there are a plethora of places.
I like the khmer beer gardens, there is a good one on st 63 with twenty girls singing, a few very nice.
If one can speak khmer they are available, but the nice ones all have a boyfriend according to my missus.
But WTF
$80-100 for a girl in one of the poorest countries in the world? I'll pass.
They're likely girls who are all business and no soul and tend to cater to asian business guys who have a lot of money but no skills with the ladies.
The cute 40's Viet madame at Martini, I forgot her name, is she still working there? She matched me up with quite a few Viet girls last time I was there. Most Viet girls were like 18-20.
She would facilitate the deals between the girls and the old farangs, make them both agree to go together. She said she makes $1 for each deal from the girl.
She complained of so much expenses in her family with kids in school etc... that if I did not pick up any girl, she would do me for $1...hehehe.
She's one sexy, charming, smiling, funny, good-looking woman, whom I would not mind fucking all night...
Damn I miss Pnom Penh...
[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter]For me, the best way for ANYBODY to get an endless supply of girls, be it a tourist or expat (but as tourist you will pay a little bit more, but does that matter as you are only short time here) is to befriend a mamasan or a working girl who is on the verge of becoming a mamasan due to her age, and if you be nice to them and you are a good person and treat the girls well, I guarantee you an endless supply of girls whenever you like for 10/15 bucks ST. I know this as a certainty myself, I think you understand.
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[QUOTE=Phil Istine]
The nicest hostesses will go nowadays if they like you for $20 long time.
Khmer places arent cheap but they have the best girls, but one must speak khmer even to get in the door, let alone talk to girls.
Any KTV, x2 or 5000 up to now 10, 000 riel place can be great-there are a plethora of places.
I like the khmer beer gardens, there is a good one on st 63 with twenty girls singing, a few very nice.
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Have to speak Khmer to get in the door? So they wouldn't even let you in the club if you didnt' speak to them in Khmer? Weird.
Not sure what you mean by 5000 to 10,000 riel place....?
A few yrs back, I got taken by a motorbike driver to a "beer garden" (thats what the sign said) on I think street 130, or else 136, not far from the river. Downstairs had a big empty room in front, then you'd go a bit to the left and as you passed through a wide openign there was a big staircase on the right side that went up a few flights. Up on I think the 2nd or 3rd floor, you came to a floor that had a medium sized fishbowl with a few not-very-attractive Viet girls inside, all watching tv. There was sofa going all around the permiter of the outside room. Anyway, on this last visit I returned to what seemed to be teh same place and its a nightclub for young Khmers now, with a really packed dancefloor in teh back of that ground level. Some people were going upstairs but I doubted it still had taht fishbowl up there, considering who the current clientele were. (tho I wouldnt' be shocked if it was still up there)
[QUOTE=Evianist]$80-100 for a girl in one of the poorest countries in the world? I'll pass.
They're likely girls who are all business and no soul and tend to cater to asian business guys who have a lot of money but no skills with the ladies.[/QUOTE]
If she was amazing I might try, maybe once on a visit. I have tried a few expensive girls in the past (one I can think of in VN who was $100 LT) and sometimes had excellent experiences. Sometimes you do get your money's worth in quality. Always? No, but here in VN, there's definitely an overall rise in the quality of experience (not to mention looks) at the higher end. But like with everything, there's exceptions, sometimes you get total clunkers, so I can only say "overall". But on the low end, the cheapest ones have a way higher rate of being disappointing for one reason or another, where you have a really good chance of getting that session where it's obvious the girl wants to jsut get out of there as soon as possible. I guess in PP, you might get that kind of thing from girls in the cheap massage brothels, or else those girls who stand curbside in Hun Sen Park ( I guess).
Speaking of which, I never did pick up one of those girls but nearly did on a longish visit a few years ago. Maybe "nearly" isn't the right word. I approached a girl and ended up being greeted by her "pimp", a little Khmer tough guy of about 13. So he explained the girl would be $7 ST, and only ST, and I had to pay now. So I forked it over, and went to get us a motorbike, turned to see that pimpboy was totally gone and the girl running down a dark side street. Hilarious when I think back on it now, but of course at the time I was pretty pissed off. What was I thinking. Also hilarious was how they insisted on it being ST only, which was a great distraction technique, since the whole thing was set up to really be NT (no time). So NT at Hun Sen Park, I can report first hand: just $7. ;)
[QUOTE=Wendella]If she was amazing I might try, maybe once on a visit. I have tried a few expensive girls in the past (one I can think of in VN who was $100 LT) and sometimes had excellent experiences. Sometimes you do get your money's worth in quality. Always? No, but here in VN, there's definitely an overall rise in the quality of experience (not to mention looks) at the higher end. But like with everything, there's exceptions, sometimes you get total clunkers, so I can only say "overall". But on the low end, the cheapest ones have a way higher rate of being disappointing for one reason or another, where you have a really good chance of getting that session where it's obvious the girl wants to jsut get out of there as soon as possible. I guess in PP, you might get that kind of thing from girls in the cheap massage brothels, or else those girls who stand curbside in Hun Sen Park ( I guess). [/QUOTE]
I might try if she was gorgeous and completely devoid of attitude and arrogance. Other than that, you're just paying the higher rate so you can feel like a big shot high roller. I doubt the hit/miss ratio for high class $90 girls in PP would be much higher than with the girls charging $20. Generally I prefer the girls who charge roughly the going rate.
[QUOTE=Evianist]I doubt the hit/miss ratio for high class $90 girls in PP would be much higher than with the girls charging $20.[/QUOTE]Might well be lower!
[QUOTE]Generally I prefer the girls who charge roughly the going rate.[/QUOTE]Going rate for what? Listen, it doesn't matter how poor or cheap a place is these days. Really hot girls are like iPods -- thanks to globalization they pretty much go for the same price anywhere. OK, a bit cheaper here, but not all that much. These days the whole concept of "How dare you ask for $100 when most people in your country don't earn that in a month" is a non-starter.
[QUOTE=Evianist]I might try if she was gorgeous and completely devoid of attitude and arrogance. Other than that, you're just paying the higher rate so you can feel like a big shot high roller. I doubt the hit/miss ratio for high class $90 girls in PP would be much higher than with the girls charging $20. Generally I prefer the girls who charge roughly the going rate.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't pay that much for a girl who was a 6, no she'd surely have to be something special in the looks dept at that price. I certainly don't do it to feel like a high roller. For me, it's more that I might go to some place where I know they charge that much cuz I've heard there's a lot of hotties there. Basically, if there's some venue that charges that much, you can expect that a much higher % of the girls available there will be 7s, 8s or higher, where if you go somewhere where they charge $20, ok there may be [i]some[/i] hotties there, but almost surely not as many or as high a % as at the high end spot.
[QUOTE=Betong]Going rate for what? Listen, it doesn't matter how poor or cheap a place is these days. Really hot girls are like iPods -- thanks to globalization they pretty much go for the same price anywhere. OK, a bit cheaper here, but not all that much. These days the whole concept of "How dare you ask for $100 when most people in your country don't earn that in a month" is a non-starter.[/QUOTE]
you think high class call girls in New York cost $100? laughing out loud
as tourists or expats, we have to put up with the general shitholiness of cambodia, which means we deserve cheaper prices (for everything) as our reward
Anyone who really feels that way about Cambodia probably shouldn't come here. Some of us actually like living here.
[QUOTE=Roguesta]Anyone who really feels that way about Cambodia probably shouldn't come here. Some of us actually like living here.[/QUOTE]
Which way?
I should take back some of what I said a few pages back -- that talent had 'fallen off a cliff' in PP since the early 00s. That's not correct. It's become more expensive and more difficult, but after a few days there I realized its actually about the same as it was in terms of available talent.
I have a feeling Evianist might have been referring to the way PP and Cambodia itself has a really rough look to it, with quite dirty streets, buildings and roads in rough shape, just looks really poor and underdeveloped basically. The word he used to describe that (if this guess of mine is right) wasn't as diplomatic as it could've been.
[QUOTE=Evianist]as tourists or expats, we have to put up with the general shitholiness of cambodia, which means we deserve cheaper prices (for everything) as our reward[/QUOTE]It's all about supply and demand, not the scenery. The supply of the very best girls is always going to be limited. But meanwhile mongers are pouring in from all over the world to find them. Yes, because they still are cheaper (and often hotter) than they would be in NY or Paris etc., but not nearly as much cheaper as they used to be. Inevitable price correction, and it's only going to continue.
[QUOTE=Peter Pan 2009]The cute 40's Viet madame at Martini, I forgot her name, is she still working there? She matched me up with quite a few Viet girls last time I was there. Most Viet girls were like 18-20.
She would facilitate the deals between the girls and the old farangs, make them both agree to go together. She said she makes $1 for each deal from the girl.[/QUOTE]
I actually might have seen this lady -- tho how can we know. Actually there was an older but fairly attractive lady dancing along with the Vogue girl and a few others, sometimes chatting together. I'd guess her to be late 30s early 40s. Same one? Who knows. Looks like we're both out of PP now, so no way to find out. Maybe if you had her name, one of these local guys could tell ya.
[QUOTE=Wendella]I have a feeling Evianist might have been referring to the way PP and Cambodia itself has a really rough look to it, with quite dirty streets, buildings and roads in rough shape, just looks really poor and underdeveloped basically.[/QUOTE]
Yes. And with that should come cheap women.
If you end up with a shitty underdeveloped country with women who are no cheaper than other countries, the tourist dollars will start to dry up quickly.
This is a common misconception, that if the mongers stop coming to Cambodia, the tourist dollars will go away. Quite the opposite is true. As the number of sex tourists lessen, other tourists begin to pour in (Western women, families, etc...). I am a business owner in Phnom Penh who depends on travelers, and this is how I see it.
There is only 1 madame at Martini. If you see any woman in mid 30's, that's her. Anyone wanting to be a new madame at Martini has to walk over her dead body...
I was trying to befriend this woman. It's true the local guys say, they can refer a lot of good girls who do good service to you. The girls trust her and would do what she suggests. They would hesitate big time, but with the madame's urging, would go with the old guys their grand daddys' age.
The old guys sitting around Martini are mostly French-speaking, rough-looking, white hair guys. They look like retirees with pensions from Legion Etrangere from the old Indochina war...hehehe.
[QUOTE=Wendella]I actually might have seen this lady -- tho how can we know. Actually there was an older but fairly attractive lady dancing along with the Vogue girl and a few others, sometimes chatting together. I'd guess her to be late 30s early 40s. Same one? Who knows. Looks like we're both out of PP now, so no way to find out. Maybe if you had her name, one of these local guys could tell ya.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Betong]It's all about supply and demand, not the scenery. The supply of the very best girls is always going to be limited. But meanwhile mongers are pouring in from all over the world to find them. Yes, because they still are cheaper (and often hotter) than they would be in NY or Paris etc., but not nearly as much cheaper as they used to B. Inevitable price correction, and it's only going to continue.[/QUOTE]I agree with you about supply and demand, and I would also add that you have to take into account the "uneducated" monger. This is the guy who doesn't take the time to find out what the going rates are, whether it is for ladies, transportation, etc, and when he is quoted an outrageous price (at least it would be to many of us) he thinks it is a smoking deal and pays it with no hesitation. Voila, new price point or at least the higher rate will be the new starting point for negotiations. Sucks!
[QUOTE=Roguesta]As the number of sex tourists lessen, other tourists begin to pour in (Western women, families, etc...).[/QUOTE]This is one of the big complaints you'll hear from old Cambodian hands -- PP is becoming too much of a legitimate tourist destination!
Anyhow the big pressure on prices for the high-end girls these days seems to be from Asians -- Japanese, Koreans, and now Chinese. My guess is that their numbers are going to keep on increasing for a long while to come.
[QUOTE=Roguesta]This is a common misconception, that if the mongers stop coming to Cambodia, the tourist dollars will go away. Quite the opposite is true. As the number of sex tourists lessen, other tourists begin to pour in (Western women, families, etc...). I am a business owner in Phnom Penh who depends on travelers, and this is how I see it.[/QUOTE]
Family vacation to Phnom Penh? To see what?
There are no tourist sights and there isn't any kind of infrastructure to support tourism. At best you get some people stopping for a day before heading up to Angkor.
You lose the mongers and you don't get legitimate tourists, you get nothing.
Phnom Penh has more than you realize. It has cruises along the Mekong, as well as many markets. Mainly, though, Phnom Penh is a hub. People will come to Phnom Penh, and then travel to Siem Reap. Then, they'll return to Phnom Penh before traveling to Sihanoukville. Many are coming because they can see that Cambodia needs help, and greatly appreciate anyone who is willing to offer a hand. Many of my guests spend lots of time at the orphanages.
This past year, Conde Nast Traveler listed Cambodia as one of the top nine destinations in the world. They placed it under the heading 'Beat the crowds'.
You come here for the ladies, and that's all that you care to see....and this is okay.
[quote=roguesta]phnom penh has more than you realize. it has cruises along the mekong, as well as many markets. mainly, though, phnom penh is a hub. people will come to phnom penh, and then travel to siem reap. then, they'll return to phnom penh before traveling to sihanoukville[/quote]
are you sure you're not thinking of bangkok or singapore?
right now, the top two tourist attractions are **** hookers and the shooting range where you can shoot a cow with a rocket launcher. sounds like a great family vacation.
i realize you work in tourism and thus you're just talking your book, but phnom penh has a long way to go before it can support any serious amount of tourists, so i hope you didn't sink too much money into your business. when they finally make a fast bus/train from thailand to siem reap, pp will become completely unnecessary on the tourist trail unless they put in some serious effort to get their act together.
[QUOTE=Roguesta]Phnom Penh has more than you realize. It has cruises along the Mekong, as well as many markets. Mainly, though, Phnom Penh is a hub. People will come to Phnom Penh, and then travel to Siem Reap. Then, they'll return to Phnom Penh before traveling to Sihanoukville. Many are coming because they can see that Cambodia needs help, and greatly appreciate anyone who is willing to offer a hand. Many of my guests spend lots of time at the orphanages.
This past year, Conde Nast Traveler listed Cambodia as one of the top nine destinations in the world. They placed it under the heading 'Beat the crowds'.
You come here for the ladies, and that's all that you care to see....and this is okay.[/QUOTE]
To me, I'd think for a typical healthy-minded tourist, Phnom Penh surely has to be the B destination to Siemp Reap/Angkor Wat's A. Angkor is arguably the most interesting 'site' in all Southeast Asia -- there just are few spots on the whole planet that can compare, for that kind of thing (the pyramids, Macchu Picchu, great wall, etc.). So for those people, which should be the vast majority, Phnom Penh is either "something else to check out next" on the 7 days or more holiday, or else a step on the way of something else again to check out, Sihanoukville -- which might also vie for the B destination of Cambodia, along with maybe Battambang. (in which case PP becomes C or even D) For atypical tourists with dark tendencies (non-sexual) there are the attractions of S-21 and the killing fields in PP, but not the kinds of things people travel from Europe or Japan to see. I'd think the main 'nice' attractions of PP would be the palace and museum, but both those pale in comparison to Bangkok's similar-but-much-better sites.
What PP really has to work on, which is a serious turnoff to tourists, is the streets hygiene. Actually it's a problem across the country, the piles of trash everywhere. Another big one is the lack of street lighting. There are so many streets even right downtown that are really dark and scary at night because they haven't put in adequate street lighting. It makes it dangerous to walk around. If you go over to Vietnam or Thailand, where they also have trouble with public officials taking certain liberties with funds, you see vastly better attention paid to these kinds of propblems, which are squarely the responsibility of the government. In that country, those 2 words seem to be contradictory terms.
Anyway, however it is happening, it can't be denied that the number of regular tourists has risen a lot. And I would say a lot of the kinds of guys that I saw in bars on streets 104 and 136 were types I never did see at monger spots in PP in past years. Namely, younger budget to middle income tourist types who look like they're brand new to this kind of thing. Lots of those now.
The majority of tourists to PP are already legitimate, if you spend your days and nights in hostess bars though you're only seeing a very small part of the city, there is an absolute shitload of day trips out of PP. Every time I visit I find myself spending less time in the bars and more off doing those non existent touristy things.
[QUOTE=Wendella]What PP really has to work on, which is a serious turnoff to tourists, is the streets hygiene. Actually it's a problem across the country, the piles of trash everywhere. Another big one is the lack of street lighting.[/QUOTE]Well they are making progress. As recently as the mid-90s there was essentially no street lighting. You'd step out at night and the whole town was pitch black. Also no sealing on most of the smaller roads. They were often just a morass of mud. So I've been impressed by the pace of change, but I can understand how someone arriving fresh from the West might be taken aback. People from elsewhere in Asia -- Vietnamese are now the #1 international arrivals, followed by Koreans -- seem to take it more in stride.
[QUOTE=Betong]Well they are making progress. As recently as the mid-90s there was essentially no street lighting. You'd step out at night and the whole town was pitch black. Also no sealing on most of the smaller roads. They were often just a morass of mud. So I've been impressed by the pace of change, but I can understand how someone arriving fresh from the West might be taken aback. .[/QUOTE]
Yes, I've also seen the progress but mostly on the major streets. The smaller side/ connecting streets are still mostly morass of mud.
Another major problem is their almost non-existant drainage system. After a typical Cambodian thunderstorm most streets (including the major ones ) turns into a small lake--with the only thing missing is the fishes. I'm not taken aback because this is still a true 3rd world country in almost every sense, but thats one of the appeals to me coming from a major city in the West--IMO.
Shark
[QUOTE=Roguesta]Phnom Penh has more than you realize. It has cruises along the Mekong, as well as many markets. Mainly, though, Phnom Penh is a hub..[/QUOTE]
Actually, this is somewhat true as the big major shopping markets in Cambo are in PP, along with all the connections (hub) to almost anywhere in Cambo and beyond. Depending on where I'm coming from I often have to fly to PP before getting the connections to other places I frequent in Cambo.
But PP is still not what I like to call a "family friendly" destination I'd recomend to families with kids. Bringing kids??-maybe not--IMO
Shark
[QUOTE=Sharka]But PP is still not what I like to call a "family friendly" destination I'd recomend to families with kids. Bringing kids??-maybe not--IMO
Shark[/QUOTE]The place is never going to be fucking disneyland, you seems to have a very narrow idea of what tourism is.
The rivers are the best things about phnom penh.
One can to go to okneatay island of koh daich or cruise down to kien svay.
Kien svay is great,no tourists ever-hope they never go.
The old floating brothel/ restaurants are full of character.
[QUOTE=Sharka]this is still a true 3rd world country in almost every sense[/QUOTE]
Well, it's one where the leaders are accumulating vast wealth and there's no viable multi-party system. It's de facto one-party rule, and unlike Singapore where the one party made an effort to improve the place, this bunch is mainly seeking to improve only the insides of their compounds, not the outsides. Vietnam had a long war and then strict Communist rule to blame for its lagging behind. What's Cambodia's excuse. It's been stable there for a long time now. I mean, yeah, I see the changes, but it's a pretty pathetically slow rate of progress. There's side streets in downtown central PP that are pitch black at night. Meanwhile all the homes of these ruling families are lit up like Yankee Stadium 24-7.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]The rivers are the best things about phnom penh.
One can to go to okneatay island of koh daich or cruise down to kien svay.
Kien svay is great,no tourists ever-hope they never go.
The old floating brothel/ restaurants are full of character.[/QUOTE]
Sounds pretty cool. What is it that's special abouot these places? And where would we go to catch the boats to get there? Assume speaking some Khmer would come in handy at that point. (which is ok, us tourist types could get our hotel staff to help us write it out)
Look the whole Kien Svay area from the river inland is good. If one turns right off highway one there is a road with several khmer restaurants in gardens with big lakes, where onbe swings on the hammock over the lake and eats and drinks. I went to one that had lots of tame animals, turkeys, doves, a bloody big deer etc fishing too in the ponds but the floating places are good for us, some massa rooms have even come back but just to go and drink beer and eat pork ribs and mango salad is magnificent. Boats were ten bucks an hour, so three hours with waiting time.$25 big bill at the restaurant, maybe ten people like last time-$50 maybe, I forget anyway a great experience but possisibly now fucked up boat operators must now have a licence and pay fees and accept the same tarrif it won't last long.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Look the whole Kien Svay area from the river inland is good. .[/QUOTE]
We just talked about this by PM but thought I'd mention in the thread about what we discussed: when I was at Candy Bar a couple weeks ago, a girl handed me a flier for a day-trip offered by the bar. Go out on a boat to an island along with 60 girls for the day. Not sure if it's the same island you mentioned. The flier I saw was for the 21st Feb, but maybe they do it again and again. Price was $25, which included food and bev for the day, which I presume was beer.
Phil was telling me about how recent law changes might have had an impact on these cheap boats going out (the ones you could hire solo), that they were forcibly moved down to where Naga casino is, a bit far from the main tourist area.
Hey theres an idea, create your own Candy bar trip. Go to Martini or somewhere and hand out invites to all the girls for your own boat trip, have them all show up the next morning. ;)
My 1. St trip to Cambodia.
Did the route that is mostly suggested at this page.
Walkabout: nothing of interest.
Sharkeys: mostly to old.
Martini: A few lookers, but most girls with mobile phone in one hand, and a cigarette in the other.
Streetwalkers: Didn't look for it, but observed some action in the park around what Phnom at daytime.
Stayed at California2, crappy place, if this reflects standard of lodging in PP the price level must be the double of Thailand.
Always wondered about the guys at this site that mentions the "walk of shame". 1. St time I understood them was at California2, every time I brought a girl to the room a group of guys in the bar made comments to the girls like: nice to see you again, Hi back again already or have you moved here now.
None of the girls liked the comments, and the guys started to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off to. Avoid this place.
My conclusion is either is Cambodia "over the hill" or I did not find the right places.
If nobody enlightens me, I will stay away in the future.
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[QUOTE=Wendella] Vietnam had a long war and then strict Communist rule to blame for its lagging behind. What's Cambodia's excuse..[/QUOTE]
Truth is that the long Vietnam war also dragged poor Cambodia into the gutters as the Ho Chi Minh supply trail into S. Vietnam was mainly thru Cambodia. And if I'm not mistaken, I heard more bombs were actually dropped in Cambo trying to stop the supplies than in Vietnam itself (yet, it was suppose to be the "Vietnam War".
Following the long war it only got worse as Pol Pot (Khmer Rouge) took power and exterminated their best 1/3 of their population and almost everyone with an education in Cambodia, leaving the country in the hands of mostly unskilled, uneducated peasants and practically thrown into the dark ages.
So, yes, poor Cambodia does have an excuse and it's a very sad one.
Shark
[QUOTE=Nerdynomad]The place is never going to be fucking disneyland, you seems to have a very narrow idea of what tourism is.[/QUOTE]
Why the hostile responses? We are here to help with information for a better time for everyone.
I've NEVER said PP will be another Disneyland or even a family resort. I posted before that I didn't even think this is a place to bring a family (kids).
I merely stated PP was a central transport hub for me to get to other places (or arrival from other places) and a fairly good shopping place compared to other places in Cambodia.
And yes, I do know what tourism is all about as I've been a world well traveled tourist all my life. It's only being a monger that is newer to me.
Friendly advise:
Best to chill out if you expect others to help you when you go to other threads with question in places you've never been to. You may be an expert here in PP and being an expert you are suppose to help others that require some help as other experts will surely try to help you in the same situation.
Remember, being a newbie, many will often check on your previous past posts to see if you are even worthy of a reply and having a bad attitude over simple questions/answers is not the way to go. So best to tread lightly.--IMO
Shark
[QUOTE=Javel]My 1. St trip to Cambodia.
Did the route that is mostly suggested at this page.
Walkabout: nothing of interest.
Sharkeys: mostly to old.
Martini: A few lookers, but most girls with mobile phone in one hand, and a cigarette in the other.
Streetwalkers: Didn't look for it, but observed some action in the park around what Phnom at daytime.
Stayed at California2, crappy place, if this reflects standard of lodging in PP the price level must be the double of Thailand.
Always wondered about the guys at this site that mentions the "walk of shame". 1. St time I understood them was at California2, every time I brought a girl to the room a group of guys in the bar made comments to the girls like: nice to see you again, Hi back again already or have you moved here now.
None of the girls liked the comments, and the guys started to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off to. Avoid this place.
My conclusion is either is Cambodia "over the hill" or I did not find the right places.
If nobody enlightens me, I will stay away in the future.
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Hard to say for sure as I don't really know what your requirements are.
I've never stayed at the California 2 so can't comment on that place. But in general, if you are taking ladies back it is best to stay in places that were recommended here on this thread and avoid the smaller family owned "guesthouses"--it's not because they are not lady friendly but they often locked their doors early (as early as 10pm) and that will kill the mood for me being locked out with my lady in tow.
Bars and lady hangouts changes day to day and often hour to hour as some of the best talent may have just taken out 5min before you arrive. But this is typical of almost ALL places in any country, not just Cambo.
Lady hunting is like fishing, there will be days when you are lucky and days when you may turn out empty. But the more places you visit, the better your odds.
Shark
[QUOTE=Sharka]Friendly advise:
Best to chill out if you expect others to help you when you go to other threads with question in places you've never been to. You may be an expert here in PP and being an expert you are suppose to help others that require some help as other experts will surely try to help you in the same situation.
Remember, being a newbie, many will often check on your previous past posts to see if you are even worthy of a reply and having a bad attitude over simple questions/answers is not the way to go. So best to tread lightly.--IMO
Shark[/QUOTE]
Absolutely agree with this.
This is good advise and a friendly advise at that. Many other seniors may not be as friendly as Sharka in his replies to answers with obvious hostile tones.
Lucky that Shark is a very friendly and nice guy.
I agree that you will get the most help if you are nice to other members, and have contributed to the forum in positive ways with helpful post to others, regardless of being a newbie or a senior. And that is not an opinion but a fact.
PT
[quote=sharka]truth is that the long vietnam war also dragged poor cambodia into the gutters as the ho chi minh supply trail into s. vietnam was mainly thru cambodia. [/quote]
i guess, for me, cambodia has had a good long time to bounce back, and a hell of a lot of help, but i think its fair to say the govt there is one of the most corrupt in the world, from top to bottom, with no sign of improvement, and every sign of it only getting worse. at some point, they need to take some responsbility for what they do and be held accountable for what they do, stop with the lame excuses, and do what's right (for a start, obey their own laws -- i'm sure expats here could tell you some doozies of stories about the offspring of certain leaders commiting crimes that would have them in o.j. type scandals back in our countries, only to get off with no charges at all pressed against them... then there's the land confirep001ion/bulldozing of shanty ghettoes... the illegal logging and mining... the trumped up charges against political foes... the list goes on). anyway, i think anyone who's paid any attention knows there will never be good governance there as long as hun sen is alive. and the behavior of the offspring doesn't leave much room for hope for the future.
[QUOTE=Javel]My 1. St trip to Cambodia.
Did the route that is mostly suggested at this page.
Walkabout: nothing of interest.
Sharkeys: mostly to old.
Martini: A few lookers, but most girls with mobile phone in one hand, and a cigarette in the other.
Streetwalkers: Didn't look for it, but observed some action in the park around what Phnom at daytime.
Stayed at California2, crappy place, if this reflects standard of lodging in PP the price level must be the double of Thailand.
Always wondered about the guys at this site that mentions the "walk of shame". 1. St time I understood them was at California2, every time I brought a girl to the room a group of guys in the bar made comments to the girls like: nice to see you again, Hi back again already or have you moved here now.
None of the girls liked the comments, and the guys started to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off to. Avoid this place.
My conclusion is either is Cambodia "over the hill" or I did not find the right places.
If nobody enlightens me, I will stay away in the future.
[/QUOTE]
For the most part, I agree with your comments on the clubs, and you did well to avoid the streetwalkers. I am surprised at your comments on the California 2. I have not been yet, but the original had a good reputation, as does the owner. If the customers were yelling comments, then they were out of line and immature. Unfortunately, that is an accurate description of several expats in Phnom Penh, including some but by no means all who were regulars at the old Cali 2. The standard of rooms for the money in Cambodia is considerably lower than Pattaya, and somewhat lower than Bangkok. For the $25-$35 that I believe California 2 charges, you should get a reasonably attractive, clean, medium-sized room with comfortable, medium-quality furniture and a decent television and bathroom. It will NOT be the equivalent of a room at Pattaya Bay Resort or Sand Springs. If that is what you were expecting, I can see why you would be disappointed. Nowhere else in Southeast Asia has hotels that are as good for the money as what you may be used to in Pattaya, at least in the under $50 range.
[QUOTE=Javel]
Stayed at California2, crappy place, if this reflects standard of lodging in PP the price level must be the double of Thailand.
Always wondered about the guys at this site that mentions the "walk of shame". 1. St time I understood them was at California2, every time I brought a girl to the room a group of guys in the bar made comments to the girls like: nice to see you again, Hi back again already or have you moved here now.
None of the girls liked the comments, and the guys started to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off to. Avoid this place.
[/QUOTE]
How long were you there, can I ask?
I revisited recently, had been there back in the heydey (1st time 2001) and its not what it used to be (but what place is?)... that said I had some luck at Martini and also at the bars on 136 street... 104 street is same deal. Circee Club is reliable tho there was only 1 girl there who was interesting to me (and she was always busy with another guy).
Now, about California 2, actually despite what Sharka mentioned, that IS a monger-oriented hotel -- it's GF and I've seen it mentioned often in threads like this one as the hotel of choice of at least some guys who are into this scene. Of the riverfront hotels, it is the one Ive seen mentioned most, and was probably the most mentioned place in the days before Flamingo opened. OK, 2nd most: walkabout has always been #1 most mentioned. But the point is that California 2 actually IS one of the places mongers would normally go to. Hopefully the owner is reading here and would act accordingly, namely to put those losers in their place for doing something like that to one of his paying guests. If he's ok with that, then we should all boycott his hotel. (btw: where was the owner at the time? Was he hanging out with those guys?)
Anyway, obviously the guys there are regulars in the scene. And they sound like total dicks. That is not what is normally referred to as the walk of shame, but more of one where you enter with a girl and STAFF give strange looks as you pass (usually because they know whats up, not cuz they recognize the girl)... normally they wouldn't be ridiculing you out loud, that's pretty extreme -- and for fellow mongers to do that, well... pretty lame. I have to say, I did witness more than the typical assenine behavior on the part of mongers there -- things along those same lines. Idiots trying their best to act like no-class idiots.
Don't understand all this cali2 crap.
I have been a regular there playing pool and drinking with the missus for a long time, many months.
I must have visited scores of times and have never seen or heard anything derogatory by the guys at the bar.
My missus is somewhat striking and I am an old bugger so if there were any smart arses I would have heard them.
It is an expat hangout as are other bars and I have never heard any comments passed anywhere that I have been.
I have a mate staying there at the moment and I will gauge his feedback later.
Everything is expensive in Cambodia especially electricity so room prices reflect this.
Jim is a good bloke and so is his manager and I don't believe that they would allow the bed manners alleged.
Suggest that some here may have an axe to grind.
[QUOTE=Hippie]If the customers were yelling comments, then they were out of line and immature. Unfortunately, that is an accurate description of several expats in Phnom Penh, including some but by no means all who were regulars at the old Cali 2.[/QUOTE]Jim the owner is OK, but I quit even going to the bar at Cali 2 (the old one) because I just didn't care for his regulars. Sounds like things haven't improved at the new place.
[QUOTE]For the $25-$35 that I believe California 2 charges, you should get a reasonably attractive, clean, medium-sized room with comfortable, medium-quality furniture and a decent television and bathroom.[/QUOTE]At some of the new guesthouses e. of the Central Market you can get a room like that for $15. Well, maybe a bit smaller, but perfectly clean and nice. I'm surprised more mongers don't use them.
Well I was one of the regulars at the old Cali2 and I dont no what
Sharky is talking about because the new Cali2 is much more upmarket and has a very nice decor. A lot of the old regulars dont hang out there any more as it is just a little bit out of the way and the sidewalk traffic not as interesting to look at. Nor does it have a veiw of the river from the street level.
But the interior is very nice and the staff are excellent. Mostly upmarket backpakers stay there and a few mongers.
[QUOTE=Wendella]How long were you there, can I ask?
I revisited recently, had been there back in the heydey (1st time 2001) and its not what it used to be (but what place is?)... that said I had some luck at Martini and also at the bars on 136 street... 104 street is same deal. Circee Club is reliable tho there was only 1 girl there who was interesting to me (and she was always busy with another guy).
Now, about California 2, actually despite what Sharka mentioned, that IS a monger-oriented hotel -- it's GF and I've seen it mentioned often in threads like this one as the hotel of choice of at least some guys who are into this scene. Of the riverfront hotels, it is the one Ive seen mentioned most, and was probably the most mentioned place in the days before Flamingo opened. OK, 2nd most: walkabout has always been #1 most mentioned. But the point is that California 2 actually IS one of the places mongers would normally go to. Hopefully the owner is reading here and would act accordingly, namely to put those losers in their place for doing something like that to one of his paying guests. If he's ok with that, then we should all boycott his hotel. (btw: where was the owner at the time? Was he hanging out with those guys?)
Anyway, obviously the guys there are regulars in the scene. And they sound like total dicks. That is not what is normally referred to as the walk of shame, but more of one where you enter with a girl and STAFF give strange looks as you pass (usually because they know whats up, not cuz they recognize the girl)... normally they wouldn't be ridiculing you out loud, that's pretty extreme -- and for fellow mongers to do that, well... pretty lame. I have to say, I did witness more than the typical assenine behavior on the part of mongers there -- things along those same lines. Idiots trying their best to act like no-class idiots.[/QUOTE]
To me the walk of shame was always in those hotels with reception areas with lots of foreign tourists. Dragging back some bar girl to a place like that, you would get looks from the tourists - and there is always the risk that some foreign person who knows you/your family/your employment or whatever and makes trouble for you.
I remember the old Cali 2 and I know the new Cali 2 well and although it has changed in terms of price and quality, Wendella is perfectly correct - it is still a very monger friendly guest house - I stayed there several times over the past few months and enjoyed the monger friendliness, such as the in room safe to put all your stuff.
I am surprised that you got this reaction but then the Cali 2 is also a bar that stays open 24 hours. This means that in the wee hours it attracts all sorts of drunks who need more drink or food. And you never know what the cat dragged in with those guys. I doubt that the owner can do much about this kind of behavior as he cannot be present the whole night. I have never had this comment in Cali 2 but I have encountered some very drunk people with issues in the bar late at night.
On the very rare occasion I get this kind of comment elsewhere, I sometimes say to the person making the comment - "don't worry, I'll give you the chance to have sloppy seconds." Or you could pretend that it is your wife they are talking about but that is harder to carry off.
But look at the reality of the situation. Remember that you are about to have some fun with a good looking girl (hopefully!) while the best these guys are able to do is to make comments. I don't know whether it is just me but which would you prefer to be doing, guys - making comments to or about someone else's girl or getting down to business!
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Well I was one of the regulars at the old Cali2 and I dont no what
Sharky is talking about because the new Cali2 is much more upmarket and has a very nice decor. .[/QUOTE]
Hmm, did someone mistaken me for someone else ??? or misinterpret my post below #2474
I did say I never stayed at the California2 so can't comment on this place
(again see below post #2474).
I only gave advise to generally avoid the small family guesthouses not because they won't you in with the ladies but because they lock the doors and keep everyone out (including you), as you have to sometimes wait 10-15mins before someone inside wakes up and unlock (sometimes unchain) the doors to let you in-- and this always kills the mood with a lady in tow.
Shark
[QUOTE=Sharka]Hmm, did someone mistaken me for someone else ???[/QUOTE]
Yes I think he referred to you as Sharky. ;)
In your post, it didnt seem as if you were aware that Cali2 was a monger-oriented hotel, that's all.
Yeah I've also dealt with that annoying guesthouse scenario where you have to wake someone up to let you in, wait a long time for them to do whatever (find the keys, put on shorts, have a snack, take a little nap again, get up, find keys again, etc etc.) before finally opening the door, and then acting annoyed for having to do it... ugh. Tho I experienced that much more in Vietnam than in Cambodia. Worst of all is after you go through all that and then they say, finally, "she can not come in". Oh ok, I guess I'll just go... find another hotel now.... at .... 3am.
[QUOTE=Simian]To me the walk of shame was always in those hotels with reception areas with lots of foreign tourists.[/QUOTE]
True, that's another version, even more painful/embarrassing than the one I said. At least with the staff you know its something they experience every day. With the tourists, the expression of shock is real. Tho I tend to arrive late in the night when families and other sensitive types aren't still lounging around the lobby.
Sorry Sharka I was wrong on both counts your handle for one and who made the post. It was the post below yours I was reading while looking at your name or maybe it was the quote inside your post.
[QUOTE=Betong]At some of the new guesthouses e. of the Central Market you can get a room like that for $15. Well, maybe a bit smaller, but perfectly clean and nice. I'm surprised more mongers don't use them.[/QUOTE]There are a few on the riverfront too, Mekong Palace has always been good to me but I think recently they stuck a few new pillows and throws on the beds and increased the price by a few dollars for it.
Dara Riang Sey is on street 118 just 2 blocks from the river. $15 for a good sized room, good cable tv (tho the tiniest tv's you're likely to find at any hotel on planet earth). Completely GF.
Indochine is one block over, another some like a lot (tho for me it feels a bit rougher and more cramped than DRS)
DRS is about midway between Sharky (southwest of it, 1 down and 2 over) and St 104 (a few blocks due north), also really close to St 136 bars, and of course the riverfront. Actually, if you head to the river, there are 2 restaurants serving breakfast right at Sisowath Quay (riverfront) and St 118. The one on the north corner has all you can eat breakfast buffet, which included eggs, toast, rice and some pastries but no meats -- coffee or tea, plus juice. Price $3. But the juice tasted like it was made from powder mix, very weak too. And the food had that taste and look of being left out too long. The next day I tried the $2.75 American breakfast at the place on the south corner. Not buffet. This was more like it. Eggs, bacon and toast (which they were happy to replace with croissant -- and it was a really nice one too, moist/buttery and real French style). Can't remember the name of the place but... skip the buffet on the north side, go for the BF special on the south side.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Indochine is one block over, another some like a lot (tho for me it feels a bit rougher and more cramped than DRS)[/QUOTE]Agreed -- one night at Indochine was enough for me.
$15 seems like the standard rate for a good clean a/c cable-TV etc. room at most of the newer hotels in PP that describe themselves as "guesthouses". Upcountry it's usually about $12 now.
My favorite brekkie in PP used to be at Open Wine -- does anyone know if they still do it? I liked it even better than the posh buffet at Le Royale!
Does anyone have any idea how much a bar girl in PP would earn in a month? After a bar fine, how much of a cut of how much they get from a 'customer' would the bar manager want?
[QUOTE=Backtobasics]Does anyone have any idea how much a bar girl in PP would earn in a month? After a bar fine, how much of a cut of how much they get from a 'customer' would the bar manager want?[/QUOTE]The bar will only get money from what happens in the bar, drinks, lady drinks and barfine. They take all or most of the bar fine, what the girl gets from a customer after the bar fine is between them, nothing to do with the bar. They may give moto/tuk tuk a tip if they "delivered" you.
I guess the income depends on business and their looks. $300 might be an average month, $500 a good month. I've only ever asked one girl and that is what I was told. That's not counting and sponsorship if they have any.
Interested to hear if others give different estimates.
[QUOTE=Backtobasics]Does anyone have any idea how much a bar girl in PP would earn in a month? After a bar fine, how much of a cut of how much they get from a 'customer' would the bar manager want?[/QUOTE]
The BF is paid to the bar and whatever she charges her customers should go to her so 'how much she earns' would obviously depend on the number of customers she got. What is the purpose of your question?
[QUOTE=Run Mann]What is the purpose of your question?[/QUOTE]
I am pondering sending a little $ to help someone get the minimum education they need to be able to get out of the business ~ basically become literate enough to be employable doing something else. Of course I know this hardly, if ever, really happens, as the $ can never be equalled, and if earning enough to support siblings is someone's goal in life, they are hardly going to look a gift horse in the mouth.
Yes, I know common sense should tell me to just forget it.
[QUOTE=Nerdynomad]
$300 might be an average month, $500 a good month. I've only ever asked one girl and that is what I was told. That's not counting and sponsorship if they have any.[/QUOTE]
Of course those numbers depend on the girl/bar/clientele, but I am surprised (though I guess I shouldn't be) that a non 'freelancer' could make so much. Compared to working back in the fields, or in a factory, that's a humungous amount.
Naturally, I know zilch compared to someone living in-country, but I read recently that people representing factory workers are seeking a raise in minimum monthly pay from around $50 to around $90. However 'cheap' Cambo seems to tourists, I suspect prices for everything bar food and transport are skyrocketing for people trying to survive, and support an extended family.
[QUOTE=Backtobasics]I am pondering sending a little $ to help someone get the minimum education they need to be able to get out of the business ~ basically become literate enough to be employable doing something else..[/QUOTE]
It's your money and you are free to do as you obviously please. However, the results of philanthropy may be more measurable by sending the $ directly to the institution/school as opposed to sending it directly to 'that someone' who may or may not use the $ as you intended it to be used, just a thought.
Actually, by telling your girl that idea, that you want to pay the money directly to the school - if she balked at that, it would be a pretty big red flag on the whole situation.
If you are out of the country, how will you be able to check and make sure she isn't still working?
This is actually a classic scenario, and your girl might be telling the truth, but another truth is that this kind of thing is often done more as a way to make extra money -- basically, they play a good story as to why you should send some money, but it's just that, a story intended to get you to send money. They don't quit the bar, never had any intentoin to, and of course don't go sign up for any school.
p.s. There was a post a few months back of a guy who was out of the country and about to return, wanted expats here to check in on her to make sure she wasn't on the game, as she was telling him. They did. She was. Friend of one of the members here had even taken her home in the previous week, if I remember right.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Actually, by telling your girl that idea, that you want to pay the money directly to the school - if she balked at that, it would be a pretty big red flag on the whole situation.
If you are out of the country, how will you be able to check and make sure she isn't still working?
This is actually a classic scenario, and your girl might be telling the truth, but another truth is that this kind of thing is often done more as a way to make extra money -- basically, they play a good story as to why you should send some money, but it's just that, a story intended to get you to send money. They don't quit the bar, never had any intentoin to, and of course don't go sign up for any school.[/QUOTE]
I hear you all the way, and you are probably right. But she never asked for anything at all. Didn't voluntarily tell me her life story - teased it out of her. She also has no idea that I want to help.
I am trying to get hold of Mam Somaly, on the ground in PP, to help me through this soup.
Yes, I know, I know. I am just another poor fool ..
[url]http://www.somaly.org/[/url]
edit: found the local link in Cambodia: [url]http://www.afesip.org/[/url]
Of course I do see the hypocrisy of posting these links in a mongering forum!
[QUOTE=Backtobasics]I hear you all the way, and you are probably right. But she never asked for anything at all. Didn't voluntarily tell me her life story - teased it out of her. She also has no idea that I want to help.
I am trying to get hold of Mam Somaly, on the ground in PP, to help me through this soup.
Yes, I know, I know. I am just another poor fool ..
[url]http://www.somaly.org/[/url]
edit: found the local link in Cambodia: [url]http://www.afesip.org/[/url]
Of course I do see the hypocrisy of posting these links in a mongering forum![/QUOTE]I have a little story to tell, last nov after a session with two girls at Somaly, I was told they hadn't eaten anything whole day, that was 9:30pm so I took them both to a corner shop to eat, I do believe them by watching the way they eating, they are even more happier than I gave them tips, the meal costs me 5 dollars and I was very glad to see their happy face after the meal and feel more satisfied than the sex that I had few moment ago.
My point is sometimes so call common sense will not lead you anywhere, do what you feel like as far as not damage yourself too much, giving without any expecting and you will never find the truth any way, so why bother?
[QUOTE=Javel]My 1. St trip to Cambodia.
Stayed at California2, crappy place, if this reflects standard of lodging in PP the price level must be the double of Thailand.
Always wondered about the guys at this site that mentions the "walk of shame". 1. St time I understood them was at California2, every time I brought a girl to the room a group of guys in the bar made comments to the girls like: nice to see you again, Hi back again already or have you moved here now.
My conclusion is either is Cambodia "over the hill" or I did not find the right places.[/QUOTE]Try Tonlesap guesthouse in Street 104 on your next visit. All nice refurbished rooms and no walk of shame. And definitely no guys at the bar welcoming your girl. And this guesthouse is part of the Pickled Parrot bar & restaurant that's ope 24/7!
Look, cali2 is not a monger orientated hotel at all in my humble opinion.
I have spent a lot of time there and most guests are not mongers, many older straight couples stay there.
The bar is a hangout for all sorts of local characters as well as free lancers and also restaurant girls on a night out.
As for girls and their incomes-hmm.
Wages in the bar are $60 to $80 a month and a dollar a lady drink to the girl, no share of the barfine I believe.
$300 would be a very good month but better looking, more popular girls can earn up to $500.
Pretty girls can have many sponsors and make hundreds of dollars a month without working hard.
Girls at LCC and mikado don't get a wage and many are penniless.
Cambodia is not a cheap country that is why everyone is corrupt.
Breakfast in the market can be a dollar, a moto to and from work is up to two dollars a day, so there $90 gone before paying for the room, power, water, phone cards etc etc.
They live up to five or six a room and a cheap room is $50 and they are hard to come by.
Many bar girls are looking for a way out, many Cambodians study after hours.
They study computers and english mostly, one sees security guards and hotel staff studying often.
If one can afford to send money then send it but don't have stars in your eyes.
Cambodians always have their hand out, the national flag should have an extended hand with the palm up as the national symbol.
Thanks. Helps puts things into perspective.
LCC and Mikado seem to be the lowest rung of the barang bar ladder. Girls there seemed to have the roughest lives, and I doubt if either place brings in much income to the owners for drinks. Not a lot of drinking going down there ....
I think the girls get $15 of the $20, but are lucky to get a customer a day, if that.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Look, cali2 is not a monger orientated hotel at all in my humble opinion.
I have spent a lot of time there and most guests are not mongers, many older straight couples stay there.
The bar is a hangout for all sorts of local characters as well as free lancers and also restaurant girls on a night out.
As for girls and their incomes-hmm.
Wages in the bar are $60 to $80 a month and a dollar a lady drink to the girl, no share of the barfine I believe.
$300 would be a very good month but better looking, more popular girls can earn up to $500.
Pretty girls can have many sponsors and make hundreds of dollars a month without working hard.
Girls at LCC and mikado don't get a wage and many are penniless.
Cambodia is not a cheap country that is why everyone is corrupt.
Breakfast in the market can be a dollar, a moto to and from work is up to two dollars a day, so there $90 gone before paying for the room, power, water, phone cards etc etc.
They live up to five or six a room and a cheap room is $50 and they are hard to come by.
Many bar girls are looking for a way out, many Cambodians study after hours.
They study computers and english mostly, one sees security guards and hotel staff studying often.
If one can afford to send money then send it but don't have stars in your eyes.
Cambodians always have their hand out, the national flag should have an extended hand with the palm up as the national symbol.[/QUOTE]
[quote]Cambodians always have their hand out, the national flag should have an extended hand with the palm up as the national symbol.[/quote]
Sadly I find that to be true and their least endearing (if understandable) trait. (As far as I can gather, it was not like that before Pol Pot, so you *could* say perhaps that we owe them.) Compare Kampuchea, say, with Brasil, where the poorest favela kid still exudes a great sense if pride. Khmers have so often lost what it is to be human.* Their sense of pride is linked to the ancient monuments - the only thing that has survived. And their faith sees them through a lot of hardship (look at Filipinos, who are poor but have suffered less, and can be quite miserable sods). Preah Vihear can be quite instructive - I see now why they are so uptight about the Thais trying to screw them again over it.
*And yet in another sense they can teach us this very thing - for they know what it is like to be human and no more, whereas it can be very hard for the average Westerner to define him/herself except in terms of material things. In this way, perhaps we need them as much as they need us, or more.
Contrary to popular opinion though, I still wouldn't rate Kampuchea as the shagfest capital of SE Asia. Which is why this board is so helpful - just on the simple matter of getting laid. ;)
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Look, cali2 is not a monger orientated hotel at all in my humble opinion.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I admit I have no idea really, only mentioned it cuz I saw it listed often in mongering threads like these as a recommended place to go, esp if you wanted to be on the riverfront, and mostly in the days before Flamingo became the popular favorite mongerer hotel. I never did stay there. I did go check out their old location but ended up staying elsewhere (really didnt like the rooms layout, that whole no-window thing, esp when you're paying riverfront higher prices). 2 blocks off the river and prices are half, and the rooms all have windows.
[QUOTE=Christopherd]
Contrary to popular opinion though, I still wouldn't rate Kampuchea as the shagfest capital of SE Asia. Which is why this board is so helpful - just on the simple matter of getting laid. ;)[/QUOTE]
Agree as I also don't find Cambo to be on the top of my list for shagging (but still is one of the cheapest places for a simple shag though).
Having said that, I would still rate Cambo a better place for FS shagging than Vietnam (don't mean to offend anyone of you guys that are ex-pats in Viet) but I did a brief several days tour of Vietnam and it was extremely difficult for a FS shag and the ones that will do FS are very expensive and forget about all my hotels I stayed in Viet as they were definitely NOT GF. And don't even get me started on all the rip off FL on motobikes there. Not the easiest place to get laid, a handjob-yes, getting laid-NO.
Shark
[QUOTE=Sharka]
Having said that, I would still rate Cambo a better place for FS shagging than Vietnam (don't mean to offend anyone of you guys that are ex-pats in Viet) but I did a brief several days tour of Vietnam and it was extremely difficult for a FS shag and the ones that will do FS are very expensive and forget about all my hotels I stayed in Viet as they were definitely NOT GF. And don't even get me started on all the rip off FL on motobikes there. Not the easiest place to get laid, a handjob-yes, getting laid-NO.
Shark[/QUOTE]
Agreed 100% with you there mate, I've been living in Saigon for over 2yrs now and its just a headfuck trying to get laid, unless you know where to go.
Now I just stick to a couple "barber shops" where I know I'll have a great time, safer and cheaper than the girls from the girly bars in the city.
The 2 times I've been to PP I've had no problems getting laid, Reminds me of TLD more than VN regarding how open it is (for mongering)
I was in Cambodia last month.
If you like lesbian shows, these 2 bars are great. But some of these girls have been around since I first started coming here around 2001.
Le Crycee: The girls want $20. Plus the bar fine (can't remember amount). I use the upstair rooms. Because NGO problems, only known customeers and their guests are allowed to use the upstair rooms (Previously the owner changed the beds to couches; now he put back the beds). The cost will be $20 for the girl; $5 for the room; and the mandatory $3 ladies drink. The girl pays $5 to the bar and she gets $1 for the drink. Hence she gets $16 for the hour (actually it is 50 minutes at the most; the professional hour).
Remember the good old days when the girls were $10 each including the rooms.
Solomon: The girls want $20 plus $5 for the room next door at Samoly guest house. Actually it is $25. For 2 girls, they still want $25 a piece. I recommend the room with the mirrors on top and on the sides; I like watching. But look at the sheets first; sometimes it looks disgusting; maybe used. If so, ask for another room. The girls get slightly more here than at Le Crycee.
Heard owner Dave got out of jail. Heard he had to pay $20K or $30K. Named was changed from Mikado because of his past legal problems. Before he went to jail, I saw the Mikado video on the internet, and I instantaneously recognized it. LOL!
Not sure if you can negotiate with the above prices. I know from several years ago as they were raising prices, the girls decided that they wouldn't accept less than the stated prices. But I usually pick the cutest girls there. I am assuming you can negotiate with the older and fatter ones.
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Gents,
Hello, I am pp from the Brasil and Japan forums. I am over in Tokyo area for an extended stay and and thinking of a visit to your fair city at the beginning of April, PP, with a three day excursion to Siem Reap for Angkor. I've been RTFF and see a whole bunch of negative comments going way back about refusal of yum-yum in PP and wondering what the general perception is regarding GFE with CIM finish. If I go over to Solomon and these places, where the girls are apparently in a hardship situation, what is my probability of getting a BBBJ finish? I ask only because this is important to me, as I have a hard time getting off in a rubber or by HJ. This is the first country where I've percieved a general problem with CIM...even in Japan where they hate foreigners I usually find a BBBJ finish...is it a cultural issue in Cambo, religious, or ?? Am I going be okay? You guys are hardcore and have me a little frightened..what is going on with these girls that are supposedly starving but aren't giving GFE at any price?
TIA
-pp
[QUOTE=Puta Playa]Gents,
Hello, I am pp from the Brasil and Japan forums. I am over in Tokyo area for an extended stay and and thinking of a visit to your fair city at the beginning of April, PP, with a three day excursion to Siem Reap for Angkor. I've been RTFF and see a whole bunch of negative comments going way back about refusal of yum-yum in PP and wondering what the general perception is regarding GFE with CIM finish. If I go over to Solomon and these places, where the girls are apparently in a hardship situation, what is my probability of getting a BBBJ finish? I ask only because this is important to me, as I have a hard time getting off in a rubber or by HJ. This is the first country where I've percieved a general problem with CIM...even in Japan where they hate foreigners I usually find a BBBJ finish...is it a cultural issue in Cambo, religious, or ?? Am I going be okay? You guys are hardcore and have me a little frightened..what is going on with these girls that are supposedly starving but aren't giving GFE at any price?
TIA
-pp[/QUOTE]
Hiya PP. Cambo is a bit uneducated IMO compared to Brasil, but a very special country. Culturally, mostly I understand women are expected to be virgins when they marry. The best results I have had have been by pushing the buttons. eg I saw a girl who was the best looker in the joint. She is quite keen but no BBBJ. We finish a little early as it is closing time. I see here again and she is quite routine. So I next time I buy her a drink, smile sweetly, say she understands how I like other women, and book her friend. Next time, I book her *and* her friend. Boy, was she keen to work her socks off that time!
Of PP & SR, PP has lots or P4P but SR is a beautiful city, the nicest in Cambo, and more history than the rest of Asia put together pretty well. I go there for that, don't expect anything miraculous on the p4p scene, needs are attended to, and sometimes one strikes lucky. Be kind. Just don't expect anything like Brasil lol! :)
Hey puta, if you really want yum yum go to Soi 6 in Pattaya, Thailand. Just about every bar on the soi offers yum yum action. There is one bar, (I think it is called lips, can't remember for sure), that you go into, order a beer and the minute you sit down some honey comes by, unzips your fly and gives you a taste of paradise. So be warned, if you are squeamish about getting blown in public. There used to be something like this in Phnom Penh called Sophies. But thanks to some $%#! The place was closed down. So now there is nothing like it anywhere in Cambo. But who knows, maybe some day someone will open up a copy cat. By the way, the girl's at somaly do give BBBJ. Not my cup of tea, but it available for you if you want.
[QUOTE=Puta Playa]Gents,
what is my probability of getting a BBBJ finish? I ask only because this is important to me, as I have a hard time getting off in a rubber or by HJ.
-pp[/QUOTE]
Didn't think about this matter until I read this post, Now I remember why I miss Sophies so much when it was still open.
Shark
[QUOTE=Sharka]Didn't think about this matter until I read this post, Now I remember why I miss Sophies so much when it was still open.
Shark[/QUOTE]Where else can you get "samples" for a buck. The NGO that blew the whistle on Sophies should get his nuts cut off.
The Khmer girls in general are not too keen for CIM but the Viets are more accommodating. That is a very general statement though.
RR
[QUOTE=Randy Rooster]Where else can you get "samples" for a buck.[/QUOTE]The so-called 'free samples' that you got whether you wanted or not, and then each girl would demand a dollar. I had some good times in the back room but by the end they were getting way too aggressive and obnoxious at the bar. Too many new guys let them get away with it.
Lots of samples available in Pattaya at places like My Friend You, and nobody demands anything or gets upset if you don't spring for the full job.
Hello!
I am a great fan of listening to all kind of music. On of the styles I enjoy every now and then is Cambodian Rock from the late 60s and early 70s. Artists like Ros Serey Sothea / Ros Sereysothea (the queen of Cambodian Rock imho) and Sinn Sisamouth are good examples of what I mean.
Since I will have a few days in PP in April I would be super grateful for any advice on where/if I can enjoy this kind of music somewhere in PP. Optimal would be a bar packed with females and this music on the sound system, but any place will do.
Thank you!
Barba
If you call having your nuts fondled and your dick massaged through your pants for twenty minutes by several girls a free sample, then Blue Wave in SR still does quite well. One of the most un-pushy bars I know.
Admittedly you might be asked if you want to spring $2 to buy yourself a coca cola eventually.
[QUOTE=Barba]Since I will have a few days in PP in April I would be super grateful for any advice on where/if I can enjoy this kind of music somewhere in PP.[/QUOTE]Try asking on the Khmer 440 forum. It's mainly PP-based expats, and some of them are really into this music too.
[QUOTE=GreenBud]I was in Cambodia last month.
If you like lesbian shows, these 2 bars are great. But some of these girls have been around since I first started coming here around 2001.
Le Crycee: The girls want $20. Plus the bar fine (can't remember amount). I use the upstair rooms. Because NGO problems, only known customeers and their guests are allowed to use the upstair rooms (Previously the owner changed the beds to couches; now he put back the beds). The cost will be $20 for the girl; $5 for the room; and the mandatory $3 ladies drink. The girl pays $5 to the bar and she gets $1 for the drink. Hence she gets $16 for the hour (actually it is 50 minutes at the most; the professional hour).
Remember the good old days when the girls were $10 each including the rooms.
Solomon: The girls want $20 plus $5 for the room next door at Samoly guest house. Actually it is $25. For 2 girls, they still want $25 a piece. I recommend the room with the mirrors on top and on the sides; I like watching. But look at the sheets first; sometimes it looks disgusting; maybe used. If so, ask for another room. The girls get slightly more here than at Le Crycee.
Heard owner Dave got out of jail. Heard he had to pay $20K or $30K. Named was changed from Mikado because of his past legal problems. Before he went to jail, I saw the Mikado video on the internet, and I instantaneously recognized it. LOL!
Not sure if you can negotiate with the above prices. I know from several years ago as they were raising prices, the girls decided that they wouldn't accept less than the stated prices. But I usually pick the cutest girls there. I am assuming you can negotiate with the older and fatter ones.
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Been there quite a few times in the last few months I have only had to pay the $20 which includes the room. On all occasions though I took 2 girls maybe they just cut $2 or $3 each from there $20 to pay for the room.
[QUOTE=Asianpussylover]Hey puta, if you really want yum yum go to Soi 6 in Pattaya, Thailand. Just about every bar on the soi offers yum yum action. There is one bar, (I think it is called lips, can't remember for sure), that you go into, order a beer and the minute you sit down some honey comes by, unzips your fly and gives you a taste of paradise. So be warned, if you are squeamish about getting blown in public. There used to be something like this in Phnom Penh called Sophies. But thanks to some $%#! The place was closed down. So now there is nothing like it anywhere in Cambo. But who knows, maybe some day someone will open up a copy cat. By the way, the girl's at somaly do give BBBJ. Not my cup of tea, but it available for you if you want.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, a lot of people are advising in PM that PP has no real experiential or cost benefits over Pattaya, however, I am flying on FF miles and it appears that you need to book a year in advance to fly into BKK no matter what your FF level status is.
[QUOTE=Betong]Try asking on the Khmer 440 forum. It's mainly PP-based expats, and some of them are really into this music too.[/QUOTE]Super! Thank you.
B
[QUOTE=Puta Playa]Thanks, a lot of people are advising in PM that PP has no real experiential or cost benefits over Pattaya, however, I am flying on FF miles and it appears that you need to book a year in advance to fly into BKK no matter what your FF level status is.[/QUOTE]
One word: AirAsia.com or maybe that's 2 words... does ".com" count as a word? Then that would be 3 then. But if you are in PP, you are just a few hrs away from Pattaya, as the budget jet flies. No reason to stay in PP. And I do mean, no reason.
[quote=wendella] no reason to stay in pp. and i do mean, no reason.[/quote]no reason to go to cambodia for monger. maybe except for some ****phil or other brainsick people.
i don't know about bordertowns and chickenfarms. but the bars and clubs are much better in thailand. and the ladies understand their job!
I have flown the el cheapo airline many times. Yes, NO frills, you pay for a bottle of water, but prices (even for extra baggage) is dirt cheap.
For value *****
For service ****
For in flight comfort ****
For their personnel ****
Highly recommended. How's KUL-BALI for 72usd not bad
[QUOTE=Wendella]One word: AirAsia.com or maybe that's 2 words... does ".com" count as a word? Then that would be 3 then. But if you are in PP, you are just a few hrs away from Pattaya, as the budget jet flies. No reason to stay in PP. And I do mean, no reason.[/QUOTE]
I've been flying back and forth from Saigon to Perth (via stopovers/connecting flights) on a number of different airlines, from full fare to budget. I've been on tiger, jetstar, singapore air, msia air, thai air and most recently air asia.
Hands down, air asia wins in the budget airline class. I flew from Saigon to KL to Perth. Fantastic service, clean airplanes, very sexy and cute air hostess's.
I had brought my own water bottle but nothing was said about it (i had kept it in my bag)
Flying back from Perth to Saigon Im going on Air asia. Baggage and fare is cheaper than any other airline. Yes tiger has cheaper fares but I want to bring back 30kg's of luggage and my fishing rods. It will cost more in baggage on Tiger than Air Asia. Fishing rods are included in your baggage weight with Air Asia whereas on Tiger you have to pay extra.
Fly Thai Air- at least on international flights there is a size and age requirement. Once they hit 30- they're out. If they can't fit into the uniform-they are out. I don't know dress sizes, BUT their uniform is like size 1.
Without a doubt, they are a wet dream cum true!!!
[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc]I've been flying back and forth from Saigon to Perth (via stopovers/connecting flights) on a number of different airlines, from full fare to budget. I've been on tiger, jetstar, singapore air, msia air, thai air and most recently air asia.
Hands down, air asia wins in the budget airline class. I flew from Saigon to KL to Perth. Fantastic service, clean airplanes, very sexy and cute air hostess's.
I had brought my own water bottle but nothing was said about it (i had kept it in my bag)
Flying back from Perth to Saigon Im going on Air asia. Baggage and fare is cheaper than any other airline. Yes tiger has cheaper fares but I want to bring back 30kg's of luggage and my fishing rods. It will cost more in baggage on Tiger than Air Asia. Fishing rods are included in your baggage weight with Air Asia whereas on Tiger you have to pay extra.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Puta Playa]Thanks, a lot of people are advising in PM that PP has no real experiential or cost benefits over Pattaya, however, I am flying on FF miles and it appears that you need to book a year in advance to fly into BKK no matter what your FF level status is.[/QUOTE]Well here is what you should do. Fly into PP, sample the night life action and then fly to Pattaya or Bangkok on a cheap airline, (like 30-45 minutes flight). If you take the bus, the roads are now excellent but it will be an all day kind of ride and by the time you make it to Pattaya you will be too tired to shag. Trust me, you will love Pattaya. There is no comparison between PP and Pattaya. Pattaya has more ambience, bright lights, bars, gogo bars, discos street action than all of cambo. There is something for everyone there. There is an arab quarter, a Russian quarter, blow job street, soapy massages, the bdsm dens; there is more to see and do than in all of PP. You will have missed A LOT if you do not go. I shagged every night and I never looked for action away from my favorite spots. There is not enough time. Go see for yourself.
Just want to make sure people understood what I said earlier....
I didn't mean to say that Phnom Penh is a worthless destination for mongering. No. But if you have enough money and time to go instead to Pattaya, then it's a no brainer: go to Pattaya. Far far more on offer there. Same goes for Bangkok. Price difference not enough to justify the choice of PP.
PP has some places worth checking out, and some really cute girls, and many of them at quite low prices (though nothing like the old days). Just not enough of them.
I would guess there's 10s of thousands of girls very easily available in Pattaya. Same goes for Bangkok. In Phnom Penh, I think ones available to us foreigners (as tourists who are not too familiar with the place yet) is in the low hundreds.
So given the cheap flights these days, you have a choice of Pattaya/Bangkok or Phnom Penh, and I'm just saying it's an easy choice: go to Thailand.
Very cheap beer in Cambodia, expensive in Pattaya.
I visited Pattaya and Bangkok last year with my missus and saw very few girls prettier than her.
Guys would break their necks to get a look at my missus everywhere.
And the beer is so fucking expensive.
Carton of ancher here down to $10. 60.
Best thing about Pattaya is the golf courses.
My mate in the office here beside me says that beer can be as cheap as 45 baht in Pattaya-is this true?
In my opinion, Phnom Penh is good for the local expat, but not so good for the visitor.
[QUOTE=Wendella]One word: AirAsia.com or maybe that's 2 words... does ".com" count as a word? Then that would be 3 then. But if you are in PP, you are just a few hrs away from Pattaya, as the budget jet flies. No reason to stay in PP. And I do mean, no reason.[/QUOTE]
Ahh..wow! That is cheap..my gears are turning. The flights NRT-ICN-PNH-BKK would be a bear due to a day layover in Seoul. My options are limited on these FF miles to going through ICN to reach PNH.
I was RTFF over at ISG-Seoul...I hestitate to visit that shithole. Sounds like they are too good to even service the GI's who keep Kim Jong Il out of their backyards.
Maybe I can do NRT-TPE with asia air TPE-BKK without layover, we'll see. Otherwise, see you in PP. Thanks for the advice. I am ignorant of SEA but want to learn...someplace.
I am sorry for forgetting this info. While dirt cheap, AirAsia is a point to point carrier. After each flight you must retrieve your luggage and then check in for your next flight, then go back thru security. That's what happened the last time I flew with them. That does make for longer connections. BUT, on the other hand, one can afford to travel.
Happy Flying and Happy Hunting
[QUOTE=Puta Playa]Ahh..wow! That is cheap..my gears are turning. The flights NRT-ICN-PNH-BKK would be a bear due to a day layover in Seoul. My options are limited on these FF miles to going through ICN to reach PNH.
I was RTFF over at ISG-Seoul...I hestitate to visit that shithole. Sounds like they are too good to even service the GI's who keep Kim Jong Il out of their backyards.
Maybe I can do NRT-TPE with asia air TPE-BKK without layover, we'll see. Otherwise, see you in PP. Thanks for the advice. I am ignorant of SEA but want to learn...someplace.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fred Gold]While dirt cheap, AirAsia is a point to point carrier.[/QUOTE]That's never bothered me much. In fact it's a good excuse to jump out and spend a night wherever your first flight has taken you. (With Air Asia, that's usually KL, which can be a fairly entertaining place for a day or two.)
The biggest problem with Air Asia is that once you book and pay for your ticket, you better damn well fly on the day and flight you've booked. Trying to change it or, god forbid, cancel it, you'll pretty much lose every penny you paid. I once showed up at the airport with a ticket in my girlfriend's name that I wanted to use for myself. I was willing to pay any surcharge they wanted, but apparently that wasn't good enough. So I finally asked, 'What can I do with this ticket?' The counter guy helpfully said, 'Well, you can throw it away and buy a new one.'
That said, it's a really good airline!
[QUOTE=Puta Playa]Ahh..wow! That is cheap..my gears are turning. The flights NRT-ICN-PNH-BKK would be a bear due to a day layover in Seoul. My options are limited on these FF miles to going through ICN to reach PNH.
I was RTFF over at ISG-Seoul...I hestitate to visit that shithole. Sounds like they are too good to even service the GI's who keep Kim Jong Il out of their backyards.
Maybe I can do NRT-TPE with asia air TPE-BKK without layover, we'll see. Otherwise, see you in PP. Thanks for the advice. I am ignorant of SEA but want to learn...someplace.[/QUOTE]
Okay, well you guys have officially talked me out of PP. So your hunting grounds are safe for now. Just kidding. :) Thanks for helping me, I was thinking to be a good boy and go do something other than lay pipe, like maybe make an excursion up to SR or something from PP. But my inner monger (well, maybe not so inner) is telling me to go and do what I love..so now I am rebooked for Singapore and will find a hop over to BKK and make the pilgrimage to Pattaya. I can't wait to see if its better than Rio. Sure will be better than Japan, where I am right now. Any more mongering here, and I will go bankrupt.
[QUOTE=Puta Playa]Okay, well you guys have officially talked me out of PP. So your hunting grounds are safe for now. Just kidding. :) Thanks for helping me, I was thinking to be a good boy and go do something other than lay pipe, like maybe make an excursion up to SR or something from PP. But my inner monger (well, maybe not so inner) is telling me to go and do what I love..so now I am rebooked for Singapore and will find a hop over to BKK and make the pilgrimage to Pattaya. I can't wait to see if its better than Rio. Sure will be better than Japan, where I am right now. Any more mongering here, and I will go bankrupt.[/QUOTE]
I don't remember how long you said you had for this trip. If it was long enough, you could even take one or 2 evenings in PP before jumping to Thailand, just to sample the local offerings. (my advice would be to visit: 1. Martini, 2. St 136, 3. St 104, 4. Circee Club.) When you hit the ground in Thailand, if you are keen on Pattaya then just take taxi straight there (ask in Pattaya thread for tips on that) -- I'm more a Bangkok guy myself though. If you end up going there, stay in Sukhumvit area (and check out BKK hotels thread for ideas).
If you're going to visit BKK for a bit, I'd recommend seeing the girl who shoots darts from her pussy and hits balloons on the wall. Incredible sight!!! RTF for BKK and I'm sure there's the 411.
[QUOTE=Barba]Hello!
I am a great fan of listening to all kind of music. On of the styles I enjoy every now and then is Cambodian Rock from the late 60s and early 70s. Artists like Ros Serey Sothea / Ros Sereysothea (the queen of Cambodian Rock imho) and Sinn Sisamouth are good examples of what I mean.
Since I will have a few days in PP in April I would be super grateful for any advice on where/if I can enjoy this kind of music somewhere in PP. Optimal would be a bar packed with females and this music on the sound system, but any place will do.
Thank you!
Barba[/QUOTE]
You could bring your own disk to a bar and ask them to play it. The bad news is that any original recordings are usually in pretty bad condition. And I have never heard a decent live performance of this music by locals in Cambodia - usually these songs are murdered at wedding parties. But all the locals in PP know this music as in they can sing along to it.
The good news is that there is a band called Dengue Fever - a bunch of LA/California musicians with a Khmer female singer with a great voice who play this music very well. You can google them but I also suggest that you get their music. They have several albums and one documentary - you will find some of their albums in the russian market and the documentary is available in the better DVD shops. There are also a couple of local bands
who play this stuff and one of them has a couple of music videos with bands all done up like the 1960s in Phnom Penh but I don't know their name.
The only place I have heard Dengue Fever in a bar is a small place owned by an American who is big into music - it is on one of the streets off the river front but they play all sorts of music and so you have to ask for it specifically - and sorry, there are no girls but you can flirt with the presentable barmaid, if she is on that night.
This bar is on one of the streets that is parallel to 108 but I cannot be sure which one. It is on the right side as you walk down the street from the river - about 20 paces or less into the street. And he has those music videos I mentioned earlier.
IMHO, this music should be played everywhere in Cambodia because it is damn fine music, including venues which have girls. But it is not played in barrang baers because they think barrang won't like it as it is Cambodian music. But as this music was influenced originally by French ballads and then by American music, it is probably the most acceptable music to the Western ear compared to anything else produced in SE Asia.
Hi,
I will be in Phnom Penh this July and spend one week there. As a newbie (first time newcomer to sex tourist), I just wonder whether there is any good toregiuds/tax drivers availaB. I mean those guys really know good places in Cambodia. I have posted in 'Travel Plans & Announcements' but got only one reply. I can receive PM and hope here more replies from some generous big boys.
Thanks in advance
[QUOTE=Betong]That's never bothered me much. In fact it's a good excuse to jump out and spend a night wherever your first flight has taken you. (With Air Asia, that's usually KL, which can be a fairly entertaining place for a day or two.)
The biggest problem with Air Asia is that once you book and pay for your ticket, you better damn well fly on the day and flight you've booked. Trying to change it or, god forbid, cancel it, you'll pretty much lose every penny you paid. I once showed up at the airport with a ticket in my girlfriend's name that I wanted to use for myself. I was willing to pay any surcharge they wanted, but apparently that wasn't good enough. So I finally asked, 'What can I do with this ticket?' The counter guy helpfully said, 'Well, you can throw it away and buy a new one.'
That said, it's a really good airline![/QUOTE]Bentong
The last time I fly from Bangkok to PP is with air aisa 3 yr ago, they have a promotions one way is only around 70 USD no cancellation and one bag allowed, I have use air asia a few time always on time this is one of the fastest growing airline in asia have plan for flight to europe and us in the future.
But as this airline grow there are less promotions now flight and less cheap flight to be had.
Fast Eddie 48
Thank you Simian. Think I found the bar and owner in the Khmer440 forum and will for sure pay him a visit.
I first heard Cambodian rock in Matt Dillons film City of ghosts from 2002, and Dengue Fever was one of the bands in that film. Very good band, although still not up there with Ros. And a film well worth to C.
One totally off topic thing but still something I am curious abut is a thing I hear in these songs a lot. It sounds like "srolain". Almost like the German fraulein. Got to be something related to love since it is repeated in every other song.
To Google Cambodian dictionaries is pretty useless for me in this matter, but maybe some devotee knows what the hell they are srolaining about?
B
Since yesterday Martini has been closed.
Offical reason is a missing properly document relating the business license.
It means love.
[QUOTE=Barba] but still something I am curious abut is a thing I hear in these songs a lot. It sounds like "srolain". Almost like the German fraulein.
B[/QUOTE]Love - the pronounciation is far more like the french "salon" not like german "Fräulein".
[QUOTE=Kniom]Since yesterday Martini has been closed.[/QUOTE]There were a number of lovelies there on Monday nite. The Phnom Penh papers have carried articles in the last couple of days quoting Hun Sen to the effect that he supported a crack down on prostitution, gambling and drugs. If any of the bigwigs are caught up in his dragnet their picture will be shown on television. Not sure what is supposed to happen to those of us who are not big enough to make the evening news.
The government also accepted 91 recommendations, without comment, that the UN made on improving Human Rights. This after Hun Sen had a tizzy fit about a comment from a UN worker in Cambodia.
Tis the season for Grantsmanship. The US will rate Cambodia on what category it fits into with respect to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] next month. That will have a big effect on how much money the country gets from a multitude of sources. After that, hopefully, it will go back to business as usual.
RR
It's all making me wanna make sweet srolain to a fräulein in the salon, as the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain.
[QUOTE=Barba]Thank you Simian. Think I found the bar and owner in the Khmer440 forum and will for sure pay him a visit.
I first heard Cambodian rock in Matt Dillons film City of ghosts from 2002, and Dengue Fever was one of the bands in that film. Very good band, although still not up there with Ros. And a film well worth to C.
One totally off topic thing but still something I am curious abut is a thing I hear in these songs a lot. It sounds like "srolain". Almost like the German fraulein. Got to be something related to love since it is repeated in every other song.
To Google Cambodian dictionaries is pretty useless for me in this matter, but maybe some devotee knows what the hell they are srolaining about?
B[/QUOTE]
I think someone said that it means 'darling' but not sure if I could trust it.
The music is probably the best thing about the Matt Dillon film. IMHO, the viewing experience is far more interesting when you watch it with Dillon and the other writer's comments going at the same time.
You are probably right about the music of Ros as opposed to Dengue Fever but the problem I had with the original music of Ros and the others is that the repro quality is usually non-existent or very bad and often quite hard to listen to.
[QUOTE=Kniom]Since yesterday Martini has been closed.
Offical reason is a missing properly document relating the business license.[/QUOTE]"Missing proper document", well I can easily imagine how these documents look like; they are of green colour, have images of US-Presidents and "in god we trust" printed on them!
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]
My mate in the office here beside me says that beer can be as cheap as 45 baht in Pattaya-is this true?[/QUOTE]
Depends if you are referring to a beer at a gogo/beer bar =not likely //or getting a generic beer at the local store=yes
[QUOTE=Sharka]
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]My mate in the office here beside me says that beer can be as cheap as 45 baht in Pattaya-is this true?[/QUOTE]
Depends if you are referring to a beer at a gogo/beer bar =not likely //or getting a generic beer at the local store=yes[/QUOTE]
Here's what I've noticed.
Some places have happy hour for 45-60 baht for a beer. Gogos often have specials, draft beer for 55-75 baht with most around 55-60 baht range. You'll see the 'welcome' girls holding signs. Draft beer is usually Chang or Tiger. I think Chang Original is what the draft is and it's 6.5%.
Go to Family Mart or 7-11 and you're getting a bottle of beer for 25-40 baht depending what you buy. You can have some drinks on the beach, walking along the beach, or even walking on walking street.
Popular Gogos don't offer drink specials, usually don't have draft, and you're paying 95+ baht for a drink of beer, hard liquor, or a non alcoholic drink.
Discos are charging 120+ baht per drink depending on what you order.
Look on this site for Saran - he was reliable
[QUOTE=Tunang0102]Hi,
I will be in Phnom Penh this July and spend one week there. As a newbie (first time newcomer to sex tourist), I just wonder whether there is any good toregiuds/tax drivers availaB. I mean those guys really know good places in Cambodia. I have posted in 'Travel Plans & Announcements' but got only one reply. I can receive PM and hope here more replies from some generous big boys.
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]My mate in the office here beside me says that beer can be as cheap as 45 baht in Pattaya-is this true?[/QUOTE]Yes, if you know where to go.
I drink at beer-bars where the price is 45 baht for San Mig, Heineken etc. The lokal beers Leo, Chang are even cheaper.
This are all day prices, and not Happy Hour only.
[QUOTE=Tunang0102]Hi,
I will be in Phnom Penh this July and spend one week there. As a newbie (first time newcomer to sex tourist), I just wonder whether there is any good toregiuds/tax drivers availaB. I mean those guys really know good places in Cambodia. I have posted in 'Travel Plans & Announcements' but got only one reply. I can receive PM and hope here more replies from some generous big boys.
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
Hi Tunang,
PP is not that hard to figure out. I've made 2 trips before and am planning on a 3rd trip in early July (tough choice between AC and Manila, but PP is the best), may be we'll meet up and "hunt" together.
Try not to think of yourself as a sex tourist. Cambodia is so unique you would probably go even if there's no sex, anyways.
Back to the topic. Just book yourself into the Flamigos hotel and you'll be walking distrance from several action party places. Yes, Flamigos is a bit run down and probably is about 2 star-ish, but it's got lots of action.
Al
[QUOTE=Bubba999]Look on this site for Saran - he was reliable[/QUOTE]
Yes, Saran speaks good English, but he also demands top dollars...
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]Yes, Saran speaks good English, but he also demands top dollars...[/QUOTE]
How much?
. . . .
The door locks are a bit flakey, and I'm not sure how much I would trust the room safe. A sturdy lockable bag/suitcase gets round both these issues though. The roof bar is easy to miss, but from 6pm > 7:30pm I don't think there is a better place to be in PP. Very few people use it - but if you stay there, head up to it at 6pm, and watch the sun set, the city darken, and the bats fly.
Watch out for floor '0' (zero), which is bafflingly between the ground floor and the first floor. I never got used to it - much to the amusement of anyone I took back with me, as I fumbled with the wrong door.
Rooms at the front are noisy, but rooms on the side I was on face directly on to construction on the roof next door. Deluxe rooms are probably better, but basic room is OK. But the trick is to keep the toilet paper dry in the bathroom. Use the shower, and you'll see what I mean.
Yes, Cambodia/PP is much more than a mongering destination, and you might even fall in love, like I did ...
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]Hi Tunang,
PP is not that hard to figure out. I've made 2 trips before and am planning on a 3rd trip in early July (tough choice between AC and Manila, but PP is the best), may be we'll meet up and "hunt" together.
Try not to think of yourself as a sex tourist. Cambodia is so unique you would probably go even if there's no sex, anyways.
Back to the topic. Just book yourself into the Flamigos hotel and you'll be walking distrance from several action party places. Yes, Flamigos is a bit run down and probably is about 2 star-ish, but it's got lots of action.
Al[/QUOTE]
Indeed srawlaing is the verb to love, bong srawlaing means darling.
The noun to love is snai.
The best khmer and any other music collection at at the garage bar on street 110.
It has the riverhouse on the corner and the bar is about 75 metres off the river on the right.
Look for the sign with the andy warhol banana.
Tell brunt or jeff that I sent you.
I love old and much of the new khmer pop. There are several classic songs from the last couple of years.
No hostesses at the garage, hostess bars generally play incredibly bad music much too loud.
If you need a real garage we service cars as well as buy and sell them.
House 24 street 420 at boueng trabaek.
And there is a new massage parlour about to open directly opposite with five khmer and five Chinese girls-if we ever need a service after a long, hot day in the air con office.
Hey how much are these locals charging.
A lot I suspect.
If you guys want advice please PM me.
Never trust a Cambodian-ever!
I hate to say it, but never trusting a Cambodian is probably good advice.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Hey how much are these locals charging.
A lot I suspect.
If you guys want advice please PM me.
Never trust a Cambodian-ever![/QUOTE]
I don't have the answer to your question, but not sure what you are referring to -- did you mean the driver that was mentioned?
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]
My mate in the office here beside me says that beer can be as cheap as 45 baht in Pattaya-is this true?[/QUOTE]
True it is."Can be".
Pattaya New Plaza beer bar complex, opposite soi 7/8, a bottle of Leo Beer goes for 40-45 bahts, a bottle of Heineken for 55 bahts.
Many gogo bars have decent draught beer in a decent size glass for 60 bahts all night.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Indeed srawlaing is the verb to love, bong srawlaing means darling.
The noun to love is snai.
The best khmer and any other music collection at at the garage bar on street 110.
It has the riverhouse on the corner and the bar is about 75 metres off the river on the right.
Look for the sign with the andy warhol banana.
Tell brunt or jeff that I sent you.
I love old and much of the new khmer pop. There are several classic songs from the last couple of years.
No hostesses at the garage, hostess bars generally play incredibly bad music much too loud.
If you need a real garage we service cars as well as buy and sell them.
House 24 street 420 at boueng trabaek.
And there is a new massage parlour about to open directly opposite with five khmer and five Chinese girls-if we ever need a service after a long, hot day in the air con office.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info, Phil.
So it is off to the Garage bar if you need your head seen to, to the real garage if you need your car seen to and to the new massage parlor if you need a lube job!
On the other hand Walkabout is a lot better than it looks once you are staying there and if you have one of the better rooms. Even the slightly better than middle rooms are preferable to the depressing boxes of Flamingos IMHO. Of course, 99% of folk will read this, take one look at Walkabout, and run a mile. But for the more wary who suss out a good room, you are amply rewarded. ;)
[QUOTE=Roguesta]I hate to say it, but never trusting a Cambodian is probably good advice.[/QUOTE]
I know what Phil Istine means and, for most mongering type situations it is probably true, even from my experience. But strangely I found myself believing exactly the opposite when it comes to trying to find decent NGOs to support during non-mongering time (you have to be pretty hard hearted to spend long in the country without wondering what you might do to help). There is still the culture from the days of the UN in '92 everywhere, 'NGOs' lining their pockets with tourist bucks, and making a small change donation to some school or village. They have nice offices, big gas-guzzling cars, and talk with a born-again do-good smile. They often include subtle diatribes against local Khmer NGOs for unspecified questionable practices. I have seen many hard-working, honest Khmer NGOs with the sincerity of someone who picks their way past a landmine to help someone less fortunate.
And purely on a mongering level, once you get out of Phnom Penh and Siem Reap, I have found moto drivers and bellboys that are kind and helpful without any attempt to rip me off over arranging an escort for the evening, and even point me towards 'decent' places with women just earning an honest living rather than anything reeking of a dodgy, indentured set-up.
The culture of lying and aggressive ripping off is produced mainly by gringos (NGOs or mongers) throwing money around willy-nilly, over-paying enormously, even giving money to beggars. It all creates a culture of laziness and greed - an attitude we, in the West, sadly feel very comfortable with. Add to that a history of (KR) men with guns who basically put people in a position of having to lie to get them to ease up a bit. So while it might be 'buyer beware', I am cautious not to put any moral spin on that against Cambodian people. Get through the defence mechanisms, and the fact that, in an unregulated, prohibition culture, mongering scenes can attract low-life scum, and many Cambodians are among the kindest people in the world.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Cambodian people. But I know that after living here for some time, and now raising a family, that honesty is not one of their strongest traits. I'm talking about life completely outside of the mongering realm (and in the mongering realm, it's much worse). They don't like confrontation, so many times, they will tell you what you want to hear. I own a business, and when something breaks, I can never get one of them to admit to it even if I see them do it.
There is a culture of lying that is expected amongst the Cambodians. Even the prime minister's birth certificate is a lie. He paid to have his birthdate changed so that he could join the Khmer Rouge. My wife's birth certificate, same story, but this time so that she could start working earlier. You can have any official document changed to suit your needs...for a price. Almost every product you see is counterfeit. Calvin Klein is not Calvin Klein; Rolex is not Rolex. I guess my point is to not blindly believe everything you see or hear whilst in Cambodia
I can't argue with what Roguesta said. I'd even second it: if I need something done in a business-like way, on time, correctly, I admit I automatically start looking to see if the business is run by a Chinese or Vietnamese person - which I instinctively feel improves my odds over dealing with a Khmer. I think there's a level of sincerity that goes beyond verbal honesty and business reliability though, and it only comes out when Cambodians don't feel threatened, browbeaten, put in a spot, ridiculed etc etc. On a business level it sadly doesn't appear 'on demand.' I've noticed more Khmer NGO types do a decent job than foreigners, but only in that narrow capacity - cos they are better equipped to give a damn. (I'm not disagreeing with you, just hopefully clarifying what I said.) Whatever the levels of verbal honesty, it also strikes me that [I]in general[/I] I (personally) tend to have sex more readily with Khmers than other SE Asians if I'm in Cambodia. But of course, as with everything, it comes down to the person.
[QUOTE=Christopherd]
The culture of lying and aggressive ripping off is produced mainly by gringos (NGOs or mongers) throwing money around willy-nilly, over-paying enormously, even giving money to beggars. It all creates a culture of laziness and greed - an attitude we, in the West, sadly feel very comfortable with. Add to that a history of (KR) men with guns who basically put people in a position of having to lie to get them to ease up a bit. So while it might be 'buyer beware', I am cautious not to put any moral spin on that against Cambodian people. Get through the defence mechanisms, and the fact that, in an unregulated, prohibition culture, mongering scenes can attract low-life scum, and many Cambodians are among the kindest people in the world.[/QUOTE]
(Here we go again!) I've seen this same cutthroat ripoff attitude in lots of places, most of which don't have many NGO's or mongers. I'd say it's more a 3rd world phenomenon. Only way to prevent it would be North Korean way: not allow tourists. If ya get someone showing up who has thousands of dollars to spend in their pocket, it's human nature you're gonna do what you can to extract some. The West? You think they don't do it to Japanese or Chinese? Anyway, maybe I'm misunderstanding your point. In that case, never mind. Maybe looking to blame someone is the problem. I can understand totally why they'd do it, I'd do the same if I was them. Make some money. Feed your family. It's normal. Annoying, yeah. But to be expected. I think it's more about what happens when people with extra money come into contact with people who dont' have nearly enough of it. Don't think it's anything unique to "the west" - -and if you think about it, being "western" is irrelevant -- its about how much money someone has, or doesn't.
[QUOTE=Christopherd]Whatever the levels of verbal honesty, it also strikes me that [I]in general[/I] I (personally) tend to have sex more readily with Khmers than other SE Asians if I'm in Cambodia. But of course, as with everything, it comes down to the person.[/QUOTE]
Agree totally with this part! When in Cambodia, I much prefer going with a Khmer girl. If there was a stunning Vietnamese girl I might take her, but that would definitely be a negative for me. I might be a special case tho since I live in VN and am looking for a change of pace when I go to other countries, not yet more VN girls. If in Thailand, I'm just as happy to have a Thai, Lao or Burmese girl, doesn't matter. Actually Lao or Burmese might be a bit more appealing just cuz they're something a bit different.
[QUOTE=Christopherd] Of course, 99% of folk will read this, take one look at Walkabout, and run a mile.[/QUOTE]
There's no need to run a mile, I just crossed the road and checked into Flamingo
[QUOTE=Christopherd]I know what Phil Istine means and, for most mongering type situations it is probably true, even from my experience. But strangely I found myself believing exactly the opposite when it comes to trying to find decent NGOs to support during non-mongering time (you have to be pretty hard hearted to spend long in the country without wondering what you might do to help). There is still the culture from the days of the UN in '92 everywhere, 'NGOs' lining their pockets with tourist bucks, and making a small change donation to some school or village. They have nice offices, big gas-guzzling cars, and talk with a born-again do-good smile. They often include subtle diatribes against local Khmer NGOs for unspecified questionable practices. I have seen many hard-working, honest Khmer NGOs with the sincerity of someone who picks their way past a landmine to help someone less fortunate.
And purely on a mongering level, once you get out of Phnom Penh and Siem Reap, I have found moto drivers and bellboys that are kind and helpful without any attempt to rip me off over arranging an escort for the evening, and even point me towards 'decent' places with women just earning an honest living rather than anything reeking of a dodgy, indentured set-up.
The culture of lying and aggressive ripping off is produced mainly by gringos (NGOs or mongers) throwing money around willy-nilly, over-paying enormously, even giving money to beggars. It all creates a culture of laziness and greed - an attitude we, in the West, sadly feel very comfortable with. Add to that a history of (KR) men with guns who basically put people in a position of having to lie to get them to ease up a bit. So while it might be 'buyer beware', I am cautious not to put any moral spin on that against Cambodian people. Get through the defence mechanisms, and the fact that, in an unregulated, prohibition culture, mongering scenes can attract low-life scum, and many Cambodians are among the kindest people in the world.[/QUOTE]
I qualify my statement by saying that I have no time for a certain kind of NGO that either tries to push their (usually) Christian religion on desperately needy folks or inject their kind of morality on our hobby. That said, there are more than a few who do not fall into that category - trying to help locals in the countryside set up businesses, for instance. THere is not a part of the health system which does not have NGOs and others trying to fill the gaps.
That said, there are the large donors (World Bank, WHO) who are inclined to spend spend spend and then complain that the locals pocket a small cut. Not surprised given the salaries paid to the expat experts!
As I understand it, the big problem on the Khmer side is the cut that the officials take. But as long as they are on very low salaries, who can blame them?
Yes, in the main centers you are bound to get the kind of guys who will rip you off, send you to places where there are ladies and where they get a commission and so on. But I agree with Christopherd that once you get beyond that and they realize that you are not some dumbass trying to tell everyone how to live or throwing money all over the place, they will accept you as another human being. It is easier to do that once you get out of the main centers of tourism.
[quote=gaudente]there's no need to run a mile, i just crossed the road and checked into flamingo[/quote]
haha;)
yeah, even i don't run. but i do generally arrive in places with just a backpack (which converts to more respectable-looking hand-luggage if i need to look more posh!) that way i can have a look at the rooms on offer, see if they smell and so on. when i stayed at walkabout, i had looked at about four places, including flamingos. if they only have dumptruck smellholes, you're better going somewhere else.
the only reason i'd book in advance in a town like this and with many empty rooms in more or less adjoining hotels is to book a specific room. the classy rooftop rooms at walkabout are in short number. the mid range are tolerable given the other pros and cons. the smellholes are pretty vile. i only saw three rooms at flamingos, didn't like any of them. but i think the ambience there maybe appeals more to the 'hotel' mindset compared to the 'backpack' mindset.
running is generally not a preferred sport in pp unless you are being chased. walking at a steady speed and direction is much safer - traffic will generally make a reasonable effort to drive round rather than hitting you. ;) :) if in doubt - or pants-pissing panic - get a tuktuk or moto to cross a busy road. because i feel it would be inconsiderate of me to leave body-parts rep001tered across the highway for ngos or scavengers to collect, i have done this myself on one or two occasions.
but between flamingos and walkabout is just normal dirtmuck side-road. so you can jaywalk - or paddle if it's raining - with no more than the normal 360 vision and a 'no thank-you-i-don't-want-whatever-it-is-you're-selling' wave. :)
unless it's a tuktuk to take you from bus-terminal row to the more refined tourist hotels the far side of the main road of course. ;)
Flamingo has a LIFT - WA is all "walk-up" (or rather "climb up") 2 flights of stairs
Walkabout by Rain,
Nice game on the Street.
[QUOTE=Dinghy]Flamingo has a LIFT - WA is all "walk-up" (or rather "climb up") 2 flights of stairs[/QUOTE]
Ah yes . . . The American physique . . . :( ;) ;)
[QUOTE=Himbersaft]Walkabout by Rain,
Nice game on the Street.[/QUOTE]
Adds a whole new meaning to get them while they are wet! Only afterwards did I realize that I was looking at Walkabout. Until then I thought you were getting your rocks off looking at photos of rainy streets! Well, there is room for everyone, I suppose.
[QUOTE=Simian]Adds a whole new meaning to get them while they are wet! Only afterwards did I realize that I was looking at Walkabout. Until then I thought you were getting your rocks off looking at photos of rainy streets! Well, there is room for everyone, I suppose.[/QUOTE]
Pretty good photos actually. When it rains it rains good. I tend to travel with some lightweight waterproofs, but as you can see it comes past the ankles at some points. Tuktuks sprout plastic windows which helps (at least if you can get one). :)
[QUOTE=Himbersaft]Walkabout by Rain,
Nice game on the Street.[/QUOTE]
Once when I was staying at a hotel near the river, I looked down off my balcony to see motorbikes and bicycles being pushed through water that was as high as the seat (Oct 2001) right down on the street below.
[QUOTE=Dinghy]Flamingo has a LIFT - WA is all "walk-up" (or rather "climb up") 2 flights of stairs[/QUOTE]
I have always wondered how many drunk guys died mountaineering from and to their WA rooms.
OK, here some Pics with wet Khmer Girls.
Nice girl mate! Where did you find her?
Please post some more!
Hotel in PP:
Stayed at Flamingos: 25$ per night standard room with AC, TV and fridge, including breakfast (1 meal, 1 drink coffee or tea), free airport pick-up: very friendly staff, totally GF (but they have a new (?) regulation: on entering all girls have to fill/sign a "form" and leave their ID at reception for copying. And the girl has to sign it with her thumb print – there is also now a copy of an official document dated March 24, 2010 in the elevator and each room attached to the wall, saying that this hotel is "not engaging in any illegal stuff" (my rough interpretation). So what?)
Location: just around the corner is Walkabout and Heart of Darkness; Sharky is a 15 minutes walk
Walkabout Bar:
Only a few freelancers – nothing to write home about: was quoted 20 $ ST, could only bargain down to 15$
Draft beer is 1, 25$
Sharky:
Lots of freelancers (was there always after 8pm) – ST 15$
Draft beer 1, 5 $
Moto Sharky-Flamingos 2 people 1$
Tourist stuff to kill time (for those who have been to all the PP temples already):
Oudong Tour (40 km outside of PP): Tuk-Tuk 15 $. Takes 4-5h (incl. 1, 5 h looking around)
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Hi all,
Long time lurker, first time monger here in PP. Here's a (clothed) pic of Tia. Picked her up at Sharky's. We agreed on $30 LT and I gave her a few extra bucks cause she was nice. If you think that's too much you may be right, but as I said she was my first pick-up and my negotiation skills need sharpening. I will do better/cheaper tonight.
Gosh. Thanks for the update about the new system. I have a feeling that the free and easy days in PP are nearing their end.
Before, the sign in the Flamingo rooms saying something like 'Don't film pornography here' was the limit of their 'restrictions'.
There was usually a "lady come down. OK" phone from reception call when the gal left the room, but a couple of times it didn't happen.
I have a horrible feeling that Flamingo won't be able to be what it is for much longer.
[QUOTE=Dars Veider]Hotel in PP:
Stayed at Flamingos: 25$ per night standard room with AC, TV and fridge, including breakfast (1 meal, 1 drink coffee or tea), free airport pick-up: very friendly staff, totally GF (but they have a new (?) regulation: on entering all girls have to fill/sign a "form" and leave their ID at reception for copying. And the girl has to sign it with her thumb print – there is also now a copy of an official document dated March 24, 2010 in the elevator and each room attached to the wall, saying that this hotel is "not engaging in any illegal stuff" (my rough interpretation). So what?)
Location: just around the corner is Walkabout and Heart of Darkness; Sharky is a 15 minutes walk
Walkabout Bar:
Only a few freelancers – nothing to write home about: was quoted 20 $ ST, could only bargain down to 15$
Draft beer is 1, 25$
Sharky:
Lots of freelancers (was there always after 8pm) – ST 15$
Draft beer 1, 5 $
Moto Sharky-Flamingos 2 people 1$
Tourist stuff to kill time (for those who have been to all the PP temples already):
Oudong Tour (40 km outside of PP): Tuk-Tuk 15 $. Takes 4-5h (incl. 1, 5 h looking around)
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Does anybody know if Martinis is still closed?
H. E., who is now in Hua Hin attending the Asia summit, has some time ago ordered a new crackdown on the 'entertainment industry', result was that Martini pub was shut down for about 3 weeks (opended again yesterdayevening April 3), Sharky bar could since mid this week play no more music (was again playing loud yesterday), but, much worse, most of the massage parlours I know (and that are quite a few) are ALL closed down. Completely.
Almost all so called 'hoarhouses' have been closed down, most of which catered for the locals. In Sihanoukville, same widespread crackdown on 'taxi girls' and the entertainment industry in general. Girls in so called legitmate 'bars' are terrified for police raids about to happen, being arrested and then 're-educated' by the police.
A mayor knockdown going on now for about a month that did irreputable damage for the occasional monger who only has a few weeks a year to enjoy his holiday.
All of this actually started way back in 2008 with the closure of Sophei club and Mikado.
BTW, Le Cyrcee was open last night but Somaly was closed. To me Somaly is pure shit (a few weeks ago demanded a 7 dollar bar fine and 25 dollar short time to take the girl out, as I refused to use their next door dirty rooms), just declined and walked out, straight into Le Cyrcee, in this no-nonsense bar you get the professional service you are expecting, price now for the girl is 20 bucks, 5 bucks for the room or 'salon' but only known customers are allowed to use them. Both clubs to be found junction street 136/49, very close to junction 136/Norodom.
Let me waist a word on Flamingo Hotel. I can not comprehend why ANYBODY choses voluntarely to stay in this shithole. You want to stay close to this area? Several good options, let me give you two, same street as Flamingos, walk up to riverside, when you start reaching the T-junction, 100 meters before Hotel Superstar, safe, clean and friendly, airco rooms and fridge for dollar 15. Walk out the door of Walkabout, turn into street 174 right, after 100 meters guesthouse Ponleudara 174/65, rooms with fan 5 dollars, airco rooms 10 dollars, no fridge. Girls Friendly? Yes, almost ALL hotels in PP are, almost all. Not all. But 99 percent are.
Having said all this, if you know your way a little bit you can still easily get laid in PP, prices remain almost everywhere the same for the freelancers, 10/15 bucks for short time, 20/30 bucks for long time. A bargain.
Up to yhou to decide whether you want to take your holiday in the Penh, or Pattaya or Angelis, no matter the fact I live here, If I only had a few weeks holiday a year I would never ever come here and go straigt for Pattaya or Angelis.
Up to you.
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What blowshooter says looks to be true. I called down to the front desk yesterday wanting a massage girl. In true Cambodian fashion the guy said he would make a call and get back to me. An hour later I called again and got the same response. 20 minutes later I went to the front desk and asked what up, I was shown a 2 page official edict in both English and Cambo that restricts even a massage girl from going into the room but must stay out in the public area of the hotel.
What is with these people? Are they trying to choke off what little income they have? Like almost everything else in this country I doubt I will ever understand their thinking.
On the same line I did get a good lay yesterday from an unlabeled brothel. After being had in SR I took a little different approach. The tuk tuk driver, papasan and girl were in the same room with me when we agreed on price for the whole thing at $30. I made each of them confirm that this was the whole amount and no more would be needed. The girl especially tried to leave the conversation but I made her say it was the deal before we started fooling around. If you don't do this they will hit you for another tip after the fun. So will the tuk tuk driver. Even with that she tried to get an extra tip from me but it was half hearted as she knew her game was over before it began.
After that I went back to the hotel and sat at the bar just talking with a couple of the girls. These 2 are more like waitresses and don't really seem to be bargirls, at least to my impression. After a couple beers I asked them if they wanted to show me around and they both agreed. Since I was well drained and these 2 were in their early twenties [younger than my kids] I just let them take me to the museum and a local Wat. We then went FCC to for dinner and drinks. They would only drink orange juice since they are in college. So adorable and cute. We got back to the hotel early and thanked me several times and we all left happy.
I suspect much of it has to do with all the barang money flowing into Siem Reap, and all of it from legitimate tourists who are put off by the sex industry.
The goal is likely to emulate that formula in Phnom Penh and Sihanoukville, and turn the entire country into yuppie exotic holiday paradise.
But without an Angkor in these places, I think they're going to be very disappointed by the results.
I read somewhere else recently that the latest crackdown was somehow related to funding that comes from the US which is up for review soon, the reasoning behind it then is to ensure that they continue to get the money. The other explanation is of course that they are just cleaning the place up.
Either way you can't blame them, its mostly targeted at khmer places with minimal effect or barang set ups which doesn't bother me as shitholes like Martini or Walkabout don't appeal.
Dont agree with the anti mikado/somaly rant.
Room and girl only $20,so called dirty rooms are still great.
I have negotiated in khmer on the last two occasions and got exectly what I wanted-couldn't be better.
Hi. Just wanna find out if Luxury World Hotel is still operating it's massage service?
Thanks in advance
Last night I went to Martini and found old girlfriend went back to Flamingo Hotel and the did not let her inside beacouse no ID, she was whith me here for some months ago, same as in Thailand now.
Its difficult I hear to get a ID and cost alot of money if you want it fast, someone told me 200 USD?!
That's a definite no, it is not open.
I drove by with a local the other day who asked the doorman.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Dont agree with the anti mikado/somaly rant.
Room and girl only $20,so called dirty rooms are still great.
I have negotiated in khmer on the last two occasions and got exectly what I wanted-couldn't be better.[/QUOTE]Fully agree with you, I went there three times from last trip, 40 for 2 girls plus 3 for a drink plus tips. Everytime I left with big smile on my face. Girls are not best looking around 4-7/10, but attitude and willingness are 9/10, they were willing to do anything for you, even once I didn't need to change condom in between after complaining it too tight to pull out.
So sad it closed down.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Dont agree with the anti mikado/somaly rant.
Room and girl only $20,so called dirty rooms are still great.
I have negotiated in khmer on the last two occasions and got exectly what I wanted-couldn't be better.[/QUOTE]
Well I sort of agree. I think that a lot of the girls are a little on the large side. I have only been with a about 4 girls in this bar because of that reason.
As far as price and services and rooms in the hotel next door I agree completely.
For others out there dont worry you dont have to speak Khmer to negotiate the exact same rate and services in english.
[QUOTE=Policarpa]That's a definite no, it is not open.
I drove by with a local the other day who asked the doorman.[/QUOTE]
That's ashame. Was looking forward to going back there since I had a great time last year. Is it just closed down or moved somewhere perhaps?
Any other place like it or similar. Cheers.
ID would of course cost $200.
A drivers licence costs $150.
I recently stayed in Flamingos Hotel for 2 nights. There is construction work going on next door. So, sleeping in the morning is difficult. Be careful about the hotel bills, they tried to charge me $6 for food and $2 for a bottle of water which I did have. I firmly said no and they ultimately backed off.
So, if you decide to stay in this place, ask the bellboy to check the minibar when you check in and tell the front desk girl that you will pay all food bills by cash at the time of consumption.
[QUOTE=Chi Chi]That's ashame. Was looking forward to going back there since I had a great time last year. Is it just closed down or moved somewhere perhaps?
Any other place like it or similar. Cheers.[/QUOTE]
I was there in Feb and it was open then, the fishbowl full of girls. If it's closed now, it's because there's a crackdown on these places at the moment. These things tend to pass, just give it time. (tho maybe you don't have time)
[QUOTE=Kamking1]So, if you decide to stay in this place, ask the bellboy to check the minibar when you check in[/QUOTE]Or better yet just have them empty it out, then fill it with your own stuff.
Went to banana bar last night with a mate, hadn't been there for a couple of years.
Forgot where it was and my mate was too drunk to find it, despite having a Gf there.
We paid a moto a dollar and we were led there from the riverside, it is actually on 136 the other side of norodom.
There were several doable girls there including my mates GF.
Had to go outside to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] twice because there were girls in the toilet, many people sleep on the sidewalk in that area, watched them as I pissed against a tree-gott a love phnom penh.
Bad news howvever-mikado closed.
Was planning a mission there as the missus has gone bush for the holidays-bugger bugger bugger.
[QUOTE=Wendella]I was there in Feb and it was open then, the fishbowl full of girls. If it's closed now, it's because there's a crackdown on these places at the moment. These things tend to pass, just give it time. (tho maybe you don't have time)[/QUOTE]
Hopefully it'll re-open soon. I know it used to be near a school/university before it moved to luxury......perhaps it'll move again.
Probably will divert from PP to some other city for some action instead. Thanks Wendella.
[QUOTE=Kamking1]I recently stayed in Flamingos Hotel for 2 nights. There is construction work going on next door. So, sleeping in the morning is difficult. Be careful about the hotel bills, they tried to charge me $6 for food and $2 for a bottle of water which I did have. I firmly said no and they ultimately backed off.[/quote]Just back in Bangkok after 3 weeks at the Flamingo and the construction is a bit of a pain. After a noisy morning I went down and told Bama that I needed a quieter room and I got moved into a corner room without any problem.
When checking out he asked me if I had used anything out of the refrigerator and I said no and my bill was processed accordingly.
I have stayed there for a few years and most of the staff remember and are glad to see me when I come back and maybe that helps, but I have always been very happy with the people and the service.
It is not the fanciest place in town but for $25 per night and a funky breakfast thrown in as well and they pick you up at the airport free of charge, it does what I need.
RR
[QUOTE=Randy Rooster]
It is not the fanciest place in town but for $25 per night and a funky breakfast thrown in as well and they pick you up at the airport free of charge, it does what I need.
RR[/QUOTE]
What do you mean by "funky"? I tried Flamingo a few times in recent years, and if I remember right, my feeling about the breakfast was more like "Uh, THAT is breakfast ?" Unless they improved it drastically since then, it's a pretty subpar breakfast.
On my last visit I switched back to a hotel I used to use in early 00s, Dara Reang Sey on street 118 (corner of 13) -- $15 a nite for simple room, just 2 short blocks from the riverfront -- and I can't recommend [i]their[/i] breakfast either (esp now they charge way more for it), but if you walk straight to the river on 118, on the rightside corner as you face the river was a place that had a very nice $2.75 breakfast with eggs, potatoes, bacon and choice of croissant (which was top notch) or bread with butter and jam... and coffee or tea. Found that on my 2nd day, and also tried around in the vicinity at other places including the Kiwi bakery nearby (so-so) and also the all you can eat breakfast buffet on the opposite (left side) corner -- that was NASTY. Everything was bad. Seems like a great deal at first, $3 all you can eat, but then when you see what you get to eat it all makes sense. No bacon or sausage or any meat, would need to pay extra for those. Eggs only done the way it's most convenient for them (yolks broken and the eggs cooked way too long in grease), some undelicious-looking day-old-looking pastries, "juice" that was obviously powder mix and water (orange or lemon). The weird thing was that this place was always busy at breakfast, when the place next to it had food that was so much better, and CHEAPER, seemed less busy.
I bought into the idea of staying at Flamingo and being in that area, but truth is that the heart of the action it's supposedly in isn't worth being near these days: Walkabout (horrific ratio, hotties rare), Heart of Darkness (too crowded and difficult), Shanghai (blueballing ladydrink divas). I find those places to be pretty lame in comparison to other spots (Sts 104 and 136, Martini). Funny, why isn't anyone talking about staying near the 104/136 action?
So as someone who's stayed there, I have to say I don't get the rationale for choosing to stay at Flamingo. My dream hotel would be one in walking distance to the riverfront (for choices of food, the 104/136 bars) that was GF and had a pool I could hang out in daytime. Just in case anyone over there is looking for a good business idea. ;)
[QUOTE=Wendella]What do you mean by "funky"? I tried Flamingo a few times in recent years, and if I remember right, my feeling about the breakfast was more like "Uh, THAT is breakfast ?" Unless they improved it drastically since then, it's a pretty subpar breakfast.[/quote]I have the fruit plate with a couple of cups of coffee and then go down to St 118 on the river. the place on the right if you face the river has a fantastic Super Crepe for I believe $3.50 that is all you can eat. Ham, cheese and mushrooms wrapped up in a delicious crepe. Add an iced white coffee and it is a delightful way to start the day.
There are cheaper but not better.
RR
I flew into PP last night and will be here for about a week. If anyone's around and wants to grab a beer or two, please let me know.
GE
[QUOTE=Wendella]Unless they improved it drastically since then, it's a pretty subpar breakfast.[/QUOTE]It's dreadful. Open Wine is still my favorite breakfast. Several fancy hotels like Le Royal do nice ones, though of course expensive. FCCC is OK -- good coffee and nice atmosphere. If coffee and cakes are all you need, then Fresco.
[QUOTE] I bought into the idea of staying at Flamingo and being in that area, but truth is that the heart of the action it's supposedly in isn't worth being near these days[/QUOTE]No, it really isn't, though to be fair it's a good central location, within ten or 15 minutes of most anywhere of interest. I alternate between staying right near the Central Market or else up on 104, which is still my favorite street in PP.
[QUOTE=Randy Rooster]I have the fruit plate with a couple of cups of coffee and then go down to St 118 on the river. the place on the right if you face the river has a fantastic Super Crepe for I believe $3.50 that is all you can eat. Ham, cheese and mushrooms wrapped up in a delicious crepe. Add an iced white coffee and it is a delightful way to start the day.
There are cheaper but not better.
RR[/QUOTE]
Yeah I think that's the same place I was talking about. Didn't try the crepe -- good call -- next time for sure. Thanks. I love good crepes.
[QUOTE=Betong]It's dreadful. Open Wine is still my favorite breakfast. [/QUOTE]
Hope that's name of a restaurant, and not that you like to wake up and take a swig of the open wine bottle from the night before. Mmmm, warm red wine in the morning. ;)
Yeh I thought Flamingo was central but there was always the problem of having to go far away any time I was hungry, kind of a pain. I like to stay in walking distance of where there's a bunch of decent restaurants. Wallk out of the hotel, walk around to find a place, eat something, then head off to where I'm going for the evening. But this is me cuz I'm not familiar with which restaurants are good in PP, so my way to find one is to walk around looking at one menu, another, etc. Or evenv if I look it up in one of the little books they hand out, you just have a blurb to go by. Show up and it might not look as interesting as it did in the book, and if its' not near other places, you're stuck there. So this stops me going to places that are off on their own somewhere. Makes Plan B much harder.
I'm in PP now staying at the Bougainvillier on Sisowath Quai. The breakfast, which is plentiful and very good is included in the room, but I usually wake up too late to take advantage of it. There's a restaurant called Riverside just up the street that does a great breakfast but it's all a la carte.
[QUOTE=D Cups]Has anyone tried Herb's Pizza in PP? :)[/QUOTE]
Yes! The Happy Pizzas are great. You can ask for extra happy also.
Bule2004
[QUOTE=D Cups]Thanks, Bule! :) I want to find a nice hotel near there, too. Can you please recommend? Also, are there bars nearby? I might want to share my pizza with some busty Khmer and take her back to the hotel for dessert!. Thanks![/QUOTE]
Don't remember exactly where Herb's pizza is, know it's on the riverfront, but St 136 is fairly close by and has lots of the kinds of bars you're after. Candyland was the one with by far the most girls when I was there in Feb. Also in the vicinity is DV8, forget which street. Just one bar there, and in general the offerings over at St 136 are better mainly cuz there's so many more girls in all those bars. St 104 is more of walk up the riverfront, a bit further, but also worth a visit. Again, many bars, just like on 136.
Forget flamingo, the walkabou is a shadow of its former self.
Hotels near riverside much better value.
Happy herb is and other happy pizzas down near 178, just north of FCC.
Busy area but full of tuks and vendors.
St 148 has dv8 but not much else, riverside bistro on one corner and metro on the other.
The hotel there is a bit pricey but not bad, can't remember the name-has a pool.
Street 136 has candy bar which has good pizza but not happy.
Enough girls to make one happy though and many other bars on the street.
104 the other bar street, just north is Cali 2.
Good accomodation and a very sociable bar with lots of locals men and women.
Rather a gap in the international mongering scene. Even if one were to include such drug-friendly places as The Netherlands. Oh for a perfect world where responsible, consenting adults can, without doing any harm to anyone else, enjoy some drugs of choice (weed, coke and even E or alcohol all have their place) and fuck to their heart's content. :)
...any news on svay pack?
[QUOTE=Samu Ray]...any news on svay pack?[/QUOTE]
Yes go there and you will end up in jail or in a police cell after being set up and being asked for lots of money to get out.
I just changed from the Bougainvillier Hotel to the Amanjaya Pancam Hotel which is just next door. It's a suite hotel with all rooms overlooking the river from small balconies. The amenities, including the furnishings are beautiful. The room is quiet, relaxing, and has free wireless Internet. All in all, this is a gorgeous place and, while not for the budget minded, for those here to relax and unwind, it's an excellent choice. It's also about a two minute walk from the Riverside Cafe, DV8 and Metro.
GE
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Yes go there and you will end up in jail or in a police cell after being set up and being asked for lots of money to get out.[/QUOTE]
Though it's not exactly what I'd call [i]news[/i].... ;)
[QUOTE=Christopherd]Rather a gap in the international mongering scene. Even if one were to include such drug-friendly places as The Netherlands. Oh for a perfect world where responsible, consenting adults can, without doing any harm to anyone else, enjoy some drugs of choice (weed, coke and even E or alcohol all have their place) and fuck to their heart's content. :)[/QUOTE]I rather think that is why we live in cambodia, almost perfect for all of the above.
[QUOTE=Bule2004]Yes! The Happy Pizzas are great. You can ask for extra happy also.
Bule2004[/QUOTE]A couple of years ago I stopped in one the the Happy Pizzas and ordered a small one. It went down just fine and I waited for something to happen. If it did it was very minor.
Went back a couple of days later and told the guy that I had been there before and it was a bust so could he please make sure there was some Happy in the pizza. He brought it out and I washed it down with a beer and it tasted fine.
I started walking up to the FCC and found that my feet were not cooperating. My eyes were not working very well either. I made it up the steps and sat on the balcony for about three hours before I felt I could navigate again.
I would juggest being careful of asking for Extra Happy.
RR
[QUOTE=Samu Ray]...any news on svay pack?[/QUOTE]Yeah, there was some action back in december. I posted an article that i found online about some daring yanks that went there. Go back through the threads and you will find it. Unless you have your own transportation it will be extremely difficult for you to get transportation to the pak. Taxis and motos are avoiding the place. And even if you go, you are taking a chance that is not worth the while. Do some research. Their is a neighboring country where NGOs aren't allowed. This place has a replica of svay pak just in case you miss the fun, or missed out on all the action and want to re-live it all. I am sure you will find this place.
I read some of the posts about Flamingos. I went there to avoid the walkabout and found it to be a pleasant experience. That was back in November of '09. The rooms were clean, food ok, and not far away from the action. What I did not like was the creepy barang with the cell phone and a suspicious look. Every time i turned around this $#@! was there.
[QUOTE=D Cups]Has anyone tried Herb's Pizza in PP? :)[/QUOTE]Happy pizza's are a hit and miss proposition. I went to a fancy restaurant that had a happy pizza on the menu. I ate some and was buzzed as if i had drank like 5-6 beers. Then i went to a herb pizza place. I ordered an extra happy pizza and though i could smell the herb, i did not get a buzz. So there is a hint for you.
Good luck hunting.
[QUOTE=Samu Ray]...any news on svay pack?[/QUOTE]What is Svay Pak and where?
[QUOTE=Hnutle]What is Svay Pak and where?[/QUOTE]A brothel area of special interest to NGOs (you aren't one of those are you, first post and all?). It's in Svay Pak.
svay pak was formerly a vietnamese brothel area 11km up the tonle sap river from central pp (hence also known as km11). it was notorious for **** (way ****) business. it was closed down 5-6 years ago (mostly due to ngo pressure) and as far as i know has never opened since. in fact there is now a big church and christian centre there. you can't get laid there anymore, but you can get religion! (it is also said that you are likely to get arrested just for going there).
[QUOTE=Betong]A brothel area of special interest to NGOs (you aren't one of those are you, first post and all?). It's in Svay Pak.[/QUOTE]Don't get suspicious, and what do you mean by and all?
I'm just asking a question, and I am a regular Phnom Penh visitor.
I'm too old to be a fucking NGO.
So are all of the PP massage places etc really shut down? LX World etc? Headed back in June.
[QUOTE=Hnutle]Don't get suspicious, and what do you mean by and all?
I'm just asking a question, and I am a regular Phnom Penh visitor.
I'm too old to be a fucking NGO.[/QUOTE]
Don't take it personally - paranoia levels high in this thread.
The place you asked about was a pretty nasty scene in its day and supposedly has ceased to exist (a few yrs back), which would be a good thing.
Any questions about PP as it exists today?
[QUOTE=ClarKent]So are all of the PP massage places etc really shut down? LX World etc? Headed back in June.[/QUOTE]
Dunno, last I heard it was closed. I'm outside Cambodia now.
Idea: find their website and email them...? (that's if you don't hear back from anyone on the ground in PP)
[QUOTE=Wendella]Don't take it personally - paranoia levels high in this thread.
The place you asked about was a pretty nasty scene in its day and supposedly has ceased to exist (a few yrs back), which would be a good thing.
Any questions about PP as it exists today?[/QUOTE]The best time I had was outside PP when I went with my tuktukdriver along the river where you have some restaurants where mongering is also possible. Had a real cutie for 20 dollars and next day she came to my hotel in the city. No foreigners on these boats but a lot of girls from the small villages. Best kept secret but I don't know if it still exists. It was along road nr. 1 go left at the petrol station. So do you know or anybody else if they still are there?
You overpaid. But this is the price that they'll usually get from first-time barangs. The real price is $10 for the girl, and $3 for the room. Just convince the that you've been there before, and that this is what you always pay.
[QUOTE=Roguesta]You overpaid. But this is the price that they'll usually get from first-time barangs. The real price is $10 for the girl, and $3 for the room. Just convince the that you've been there before, and that this is what you always pay.[/QUOTE]Ok I might have overpaid but it was real quality and every penny worth while!
Well, that's what counts. And I didn't mean to imply that you were a fool for paying that much. Like I said, if they think you haven't been there before, they won't budge from that $20 price.
[QUOTE=Wendella] my advice would be to visit: 1. Martini, 2. St 136, 3. St 104, 4. Circee Club.[/QUOTE]
Is the Circee Club still one of the "must see" places? I just arrived in PP, and all the Google info is from 2008 or earlier.
Bule2004
@Bulle 2004
My must see Places for PP:
1. Martini Disco
2. Heard of Darkness Disco
3. Street 136 some Bars
4. Street 104 some Bars
5. Sharky`s Bar
6. Cyrcee Club
7. Walkabout Hotel / Bar
All Places not so far, in 3 Nights you can visit all. All Places still in operation.
[QUOTE=Bule2004]Is the Circee Club still one of the "must see" places? I just arrived in PP, and all the Google info is from 2008 or earlier.
Bule2004[/QUOTE]
Circee honestly is borderline for me. Had one beer the couple times I was there and did not partake of the merchandise.
Looking at Himbersaft's list, I was there in Feb at high season, and Heart of Darkness doesn't make my list (just too crowded and too slim pickings and low quality of WG's) nor does Walkabout (great place to meet fellow 55 yr old sex tourists, not esp good for finding any sweet young female company -- when I was there, the place had about 20 such guys at the bar swilling beers and 3 or 4 not so hot honeys at the pool table -- and I walked by the place pretty often and never saw it looking any different inside -- this is a good spot if you like drinking and don't feel like moving around town at all, otherwise I don't get what the appeal is -- options vastly better at other venues elsewhere around town)
I was in PP two weeks ago and agree completely.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Circee honestly is borderline for me. Had one beer the couple times I was there and did not partake of the merchandise.
Looking at Himbersaft's list, I was there in Feb at high season, and Heart of Darkness doesn't make my list (just too crowded and too slim pickings and low quality of WG's) nor does Walkabout (great place to meet fellow 55 yr old sex tourists, not esp good for finding any sweet young female company -- when I was there, the place had about 20 such guys at the bar swilling beers and 3 or 4 not so hot honeys at the pool table -- and I walked by the place pretty often and never saw it looking any different inside -- this is a good spot if you like drinking and don't feel like moving around town at all, otherwise I don't get what the appeal is -- options vastly better at other venues elsewhere around town)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wendella]Circee honestly is borderline for me. Had one beer the couple times I was there and did not partake of the merchandise.
Looking at Himbersaft's list, I was there in Feb at high season, and Heart of Darkness doesn't make my list (just too crowded and too slim pickings and low quality of WG's) nor does Walkabout (great place to meet fellow 55 yr old sex tourists, not esp good for finding any sweet young female company -- when I was there, the place had about 20 such guys at the bar swilling beers and 3 or 4 not so hot honeys at the pool table -- and I walked by the place pretty often and never saw it looking any different inside -- this is a good spot if you like drinking and don't feel like moving around town at all, otherwise I don't get what the appeal is -- options vastly better at other venues elsewhere around town)[/QUOTE]"Vastly better options". Such as, in your uh opinion? A % of the sex tourists wind up in Cambodia doing visa runs or are living on sub-normal income levels, result of low level talent in life. Barstoll culture befits them. Where is Wendella's World in Phnom Penh?
[QUOTE=Asianpussylover]Do some research. Their is a neighboring country where NGOs aren't allowed.[/QUOTE]Can you give me a head start and tell me which neighboring country this is?
[QUOTE=Asianpussylover]Do some research. Their is a neighboring country where NGOs aren't allowed.[/QUOTE]Can you give me a starting point and tell me which neighboring country does not allow NGOs?
This list seems like 2 years old. 2 or 3 years ago, I found some 7s or 8s there, but just 3 months ago, Heart of Darkness has 5s, like Sharky's and Martini. Cyrcee has been dead for awhile. I don't recommend. Street bars are hit or miss. I still prefer the massage parlors over the bars.
[QUOTE=Himbersaft]@Bulle 2004
My must see Places for PP:
1. Martini Disco
2. Heard of Darkness Disco
3. Street 136 some Bars
4. Street 104 some Bars
5. Sharky`s Bar
6. Cyrcee Club
7. Walkabout Hotel / Bar
All Places not so far, in 3 Nights you can visit all. All Places still in operation.[/QUOTE]
Yes cyrcee a shadow of its former self.
Mikado still closed.
Walkabou even worse than before.
Lots of khmer places busted.
Hostess bars still very good.
Best policy is to get a girls phone number and meet in the daytime-no barfine.
Mate has had great service lately at the banana bar-just west of mikado on 136.
Some exceptional talent there and no barang.
PP has become a real insiders place.
If you wear a singha beer wifebeater and try to speak thai with the girls, forget it.
But if one is a bit subtle and suss it is still very good.
[QUOTE=Zingadoon]"Vastly better options". Such as, in your uh opinion? A % of the sex tourists wind up in Cambodia doing visa runs or are living on sub-normal income levels, result of low level talent in life. Barstoll culture befits them. Where is Wendella's World in Phnom Penh?[/QUOTE]
Welcome to the Wonderful World of Wendella! ;)
No seriously, I dunno what you're talking about with barstools befitting whoever. Basically, if you're out and your priority is finding a girl, then best to head to the ones on that list (see below, #'s 1-4). (just my opinion, others here probly have their own ideas) If you're priority is going out to drink, you should refer to the International Drinker's Guide forum -- wrong site, man! I posted the places earlier, as what I'd suggest a newbie coming to PP to go check out, and in what order. Picked these cuz they're easy, foreigner-oriented, and cheap to fairly cheap. There's plenty of other places out there... thought these 4 were the ones most suitable for a newbie tho. Also pretty reliable.
As for vastly better -- yes when I was there, I never saw more than 5 girls at a time in Walkabout. On each night at Martini, there were around 60 (one night I actually counted every girl in the club!) I think it's fair to describe 60 as vastly better than 5.
[QUOTE=Roguesta]Well, that's what counts. And I didn't mean to imply that you were a fool for paying that much. Like I said, if they think you haven't been there before, they won't budge from that $20 price.[/QUOTE]She was a real stunner and I invited her back to my hotel. After that we had some kind of relation and I took her to Thailand and Malaysia but on my last visit I could not contact her and when she saw my tel. Nr. She never answered but when I contacted her with another number she picked up the phone. Really sad and I must be another stupid barang thinking there was more than just mongering. But I still think about the good time we had and that's why I remember the boats and will go there for sure next time, may even try a language course this winter. But thanks for your comments anyway.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Welcome to the Wonderful World of Wendella! ;)
No seriously, I dunno what you're talking about with barstools befitting whoever. Basically, if you're out and your priority is finding a girl, then best to head to the ones on that list (see below, #'s 1-4). (just my opinion, others here probly have their own ideas) If you're priority is going out to drink, you should refer to the International Drinker's Guide forum -- wrong site, man! I posted the places earlier, as what I'd suggest a newbie coming to PP to go check out, and in what order. Picked these cuz they're easy, foreigner-oriented, and cheap to fairly cheap. There's plenty of other places out there... thought these 4 were the ones most suitable for a newbie tho. Also pretty reliable.
As for vastly better -- yes when I was there, I never saw more than 5 girls at a time in Walkabout. On each night at Martini, there were around 60 (one night I actually counted every girl in the club!) I think it's fair to describe 60 as vastly better than 5.[/QUOTE]OK, so you don't know where best talent is located. Having actually been to PP, didn't find anything special in the places listed. One thing though: turnover high, so best strategy is to be persistent and thorough, otherwise sit on a barstool until semi-stupified and something generic starts to look good enough.
My first report, I normally peruse rather than contribute, but on this occasion I feel obliged to jot something down.
I've been popping in an out of Phnom Penh for about ten years and I recently returned after an absence of two years. And wow, I hardly recognized the place!
P. P. Used to be my favorite destination and (seriously) I'd get a stiffy on the airplane in anticipation of the delicious fruits that were on offer on the ground. Unfortunately, P. P. In its present incarnation is a shadow of its former self from a mongering perspective. Maybe I was just unlucky because I arrived during a 'clampdown' and left, a month later, during the same clampdown.
Here's the lowdown on what I found (I hope this is not too harsh):
The various brothels dotted around town appeared to be closed – no more Street 64, or 152. Gone.
Ditto the massage parlors.
The karaoke bars around Street 152 are also closed – which is just too bad.
As reported by other members on this board Mikado/Somali's is/was closed, Sophie's. Gone, and Walkabout has pretty much gone too. There were never more than half a dozen girls of pretty low caliber whenever I wandered into Walkabout, some of whom I recognized from six or seven years ago, which obviously isn't perfect unless you get excited about a gash in a circus tent.
The 154 'strip' around the corner from the Flamingos Hotel was a pale imitation of its former self and should be read the Last Rites, though I didn't check out Shanghai, to be fair, which I've never liked due to the general cynicism of the place.
Anyone who remembers Sharky's in its heyday will find the present scene drab from a girl perspective.
Cycree was open, but when I visited the 'studio' rooms upstairs were busy so in order to ST a girl I had to buy her a drink, pay her the regular $20 (after the deed) plus $10 for a ST room. I can't remember if there was a small barfine on top of that, but I do remember thinking that the experience would set me back a whopping $40 all in, which is a long way from the $15 it was a few years ago when I'd regularly take a couple off girls up the winding staircase with the ridiculously low slung ceiling. This time, I declined the girl's offer and left, in part because the girls seemed uneasy and genuinely afraid of being carted off by the police for 'reeducation' – which isn't the sort of foreplay/chat that gets my juices flowing.
You can still have a good time in some of the bars on 104, 108 and 136, but they're not exactly dirt cheap and you can spend a lot of time chatting up and buying ladies drinks for girls who will later refuse you point blank when you bring up the tender subject of taking them back to your hotel. Why is it that some of these girls don't even appear to know what a barfine is? You think one of their 'sisters' or the management would educate them when they commence 'working' in the bar but apparently not.
A snapshot espousing the quality of the girls in the present 'Rose Bar' on 104 compared to a snapshot taken four years ago would no-doubt generate gasps of astonishment, such is the decline in standards (though I suspect a lot of the current crop are the same girls who were working there 4 years ago).
And don't get me started on the $10 barfine. It used to be $5. Before that nothing. Progress I suppose.
One of the really bizarre things is that the latest 'clampdown' on the entertainment industry includes some sort of edict regarding the dress code of the girls working in the escort bars and the freelance bars such as Walkabout and Sharky's. Skirts seem to be a bit too risqué for the authorities these days and a lot of the girls seem to have erred on the side of caution by wearing a dress plus denim shorts combo – which is quite often about as alluring as a lead chastity belt.
Martini's was okay, about 40 girls on the Friday night I visited, but mostly average and many mums. Then again, I still mourn the loss of the Martini's by the Inter Continental Hotel and I've never seen eye to eye with the present joint.
Please don't get me wrong, shagging is still possible in Phnom Penh and some of the girls are pretty good.
But the old days are most certainly gone and with it the vitality and exuberance that made Phnom Penh such an exciting city to visit (the people are still charming). I used to love the sight of taxi girls buzzing around here, there and everywhere and the rake of the steel doors on Street 64.
It'll be interesting to see how the city evolves. The authorities have done sterling work in cleaning the place up from a P4P point of view, but what remains is a sewer, the garbage heaps in the streets larger than ever, the streets clogged with motorcycles and the obvious prosperity enjoyed by the few seems to have resulted in a generation of Humvee drivers who are 'heavy on the horn' – blissfully honking away at anything that moves. Very annoying.
I wish the content of this report were different. I went to Phnom Penh hoping for a great time but unless I missed various turns and hidden doorways a city that was once a wonderful playground is a city of lounge bars and pizza parlors. Exotic, it is not.
They've even closed the casinos in the hotels on Monivong and the Cambo 6 betting shops (something to do with the income from the casinos not percolating into the right government coffers, by all account, maybe the well meaning NGOs that have turned P. P. Into their plaything should look into that?)
It'll be interesting to see if things revert. The weird thing is that new hotels are sprouting left, right and center and yet there really is so little to do in Phnom Penh from a tourist perspective other than gawp at the royal palace and visit the genocide museum which while incredibly moving, I can't imagine gets a lot of repeat visitors. So what is the deal? Who are they building all these hotels for?
Not me. I think I'll be giving the place a wide berth for a while.
[QUOTE=Zingadoon]OK, so you don't know where best talent is located. Having actually been to PP, didn't find anything special in the places listed. One thing though: turnover high, so best strategy is to be persistent and thorough, otherwise sit on a barstool until semi-stupified and something generic starts to look good enough.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I'm really just a tourist in PP, so if there's some place where the top talent is located, it would be by accident taht I knew it. ;) I was there for 1 week in February, that's it recently, tho I have been there off and on over the past few years so I know the layout fairly well. But there's members here who know way better than I do. Btw those spots were mostly ok in Feb, so as you konw things change and change again, so that'll happen.
So others may see differently
Street 104/136 quite busy every evening with some nice gals (some call it good lookers), Cheerleaders open again since about 3/4 weeks but dont expect anything like it was in the past, that is finished.
Tonight (monday 10 may) there were quite some streetwalkers around town...strange, as they mostly seem to have disappeared
Some hoarhouses near the Japanese bridge are still open for business.
Martini, sometimes as Wendella says, many girls, that is sometimes, mostly lately it was very dull, very very dull.
Sharky bar, many girls and some stunners, last week for the first time ever in this country saw a freelancer (but a stunner) actually refuse to go even close to a middle aged well dressed barang when asked to do so by one of the mamasans on the premises, but plenty of ordinary girls available and of course the always present older freelancers. But the food is good, drinks also and service is fine.
The Walkabout, well,..very very dull, has lost all of its former glory, their new hotel next door open for business. The other bars around the area dont look to be doing much business either, with a few exceptions.
Le cyrcee has lost its glorie from past times, if I understand correctly the owner is possibly looking to relocate to greener pastures. But if you want straight sex, 20 bucks, you can have it there without any fuss at all, but only known customers allowed to use the inside premises.
The ;massage parlours' around town, no, all still closed and it looks they will not reopen, for those 'salons' more off the beaten track and who are still open which are not that many, business as usual. (read sex).
Last week friday around midnight town looked very quit to me.
If you have your own transport, it is fairly to very easy to pick up some gal, not difficult at all in a country marred by abject poverty. So be gracious.
[QUOTE=Zingadoon]something generic[/QUOTE] ROFL! I must remember that expression. I don't drink much, but do occasionally fancy 'something generic' to get the juices flowing. A walkabout quickie before breakfast. An early evening garage girl on the way home with some shopping. Not serious mongering. No names really required, and no Heart of Darkness eyes taking notes. But keeps the bits working nicely. ;)
In older reports from PP, people frequently mention the 5 dollar brothels in Toul Kork.After spending some time in PP, I only know Toul Kork as a an area full of villas and such. I wonder if these places are still around or if they have fallen victim to some of the recent clean ups.
What is an [QUOTE=Christopherd]early evening garage girl[/QUOTE]After these many recent crackdowns, I am desperate to try almost anything! :)
As Camboblowshoote said the hotel next to walkabout is now open, But before anyone books a room there please check the Guest policy. At the present time the policy is registered guests only. You can not bring girls back period. So far they have had two guests stay and what you get for the asking price of $35-65 is crap in comparison to most other hotels in PP.
[QUOTE=Doppel One]I've been popping in an out of Phnom Penh for about ten years and I recently returned after an absence of two years. And wow, I hardly recognized the place!
P. P. Used to be my favorite destination and (seriously) I'd get a stiffy on the airplane in anticipation of the delicious fruits that were on offer on the ground. Unfortunately, P. P. In its present incarnation is a shadow of its former self from a mongering perspective. [/QUOTE]
Excellent report and I agree with you 100%. Sadly, as far as I am concerned, PP is dead. Would still be OK if you are there for other purposes than mongering, and I guess you could still find something decent if you scratch hard, but going there for mongering purpose is not worth at all.
I was there recently (after an absence of about two years) and I promptly escaped after three days, so much a bore it was. Nothing on street 154 anymore and only one place on street 63 (2-3 houses side by side in fact and some of them do not allow foreigners). No more karaoke in the area either. Sophie long gone (I have the unfortunate honor of having been the first one to report its demise). All of my previous private and favorite addresses closed too. Just remains a few of the more notorious bars and a string of smaller ones, all of whom have average and rather lymphatic girls.
As a good illustration of the current government frame of mind, they even want to close all the guest houses on national road 6 (there's about 50 of them) because "people have sex in those places and this is bad for society" - if you ever heard such a ludicrous and incredibly stupid statements. They already closed about 10% of them. Little known to foreigners, these are places where locals go to enjoy themselves after they dined by the nearby Tonle Sap river. By the way, the Mekon river restaurants on the other side of the bridge, road to Vietnam, still has some half decent girls but nothing worth the fairly long trip to get there.
The river front walk is now renovated, though still not finished after all these years, leaving muddy parts where hookers provide blow jobs in dark places (the only remaining interesting aspect of that place). That walk is now very large and almost totally empty of people, much less foreigners. Very few tourists as well. Over-priced hotels and food, and barely any hotels have evolved past the point of offering (slow) wireless internet in the room. Guest house Nr 9 and its sisters by the lake are still there (and touts still offer you "something" and "anything") but the government did fill up the lake as they said they would, only leaving (for the time being) a small strip of water, another incredible waste (the place was gorgeous at sunset and had a big potential for turning into something interesting).
Nothing to do in PP after you've seen the few places on offer (both from a tourist and monger perspective) and shopping is still very poor to non-existent (apart for local Viagra and even that becomes rare). Even the Camel trousers that can still be had for a fraction of their Western prices have sharply gone down in quality.
In brief, unless you are there for other reasons than mongering, to be avoided in large circles.
[QUOTE=Doppel One]P. P. Used to be my favorite destination and (seriously) I'd get a stiffy on the airplane in anticipation of the delicious fruits that were on offer on the ground. Unfortunately, P. P. In its present incarnation is a shadow of its former self from a mongering perspective. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, can fully agree. But it started already to fade away in 2004/05 or so,
since then I haven't been to PP anymore, and I don't see a reason to change that.
RIP.
Too bad :(
Will be in PP next month for a few nights. I know Street 136 and 104 are good bar streets. Do you just walk in every bar and look around? Can anybody name some good ones? I know Candy Bar on 104 seems to be recommended here. Any other bar names would be appreciated.
I may book a room at the Bouganvillier Hotel. I think the location is good and the room costs about $60. Can anybody recommend this or another hotel in this price range?
Goodenough mentioned he stayed there but moved out. Hope it wasn't because Bouganvillier is a dump.
[QUOTE=Allover]I may book a room at the Bouganvillier Hotel. I think the location is good and the room costs about $60. Can anybody recommend this or another hotel in this price range?
Goodenough mentioned he stayed there but moved out. Hope it wasn't because Bouganvillier is a dump.[/QUOTE]I did respond to you in a PM, but I wanted to go on public record as well, because I don't want people thinking that Bouganvillier is a dump. It's a very nice hotel, perfectly situated, with decent service and nice rooms. I moved only because the Amanjaya is nicer, and I'm of an age where maximum comfort is important to me. The Bouganvillier also arranged, at my request, for a driver to pick me up at the airport. It was perfectly arranged and the driver was there with a sign with my name on it as I walked out of the airport. The cost was $10, which is probably a bit much, but I didn't want the hassle of finding a driver and it was well worth the money.
The one thing I didn't like about the Bougainvillier is that it doesn't have an elevator. Since I have arthritic knees, I really didn't enjoy walking up the stairs. However, for younger, sprier guys, this should not be an issue. As I explained in my PM, I paid $96 there, but that was for a suite with a river view and a balcony. Also, the breakfast, while adequate, wasn't very substantial, but these are minor complaints.
I would definitely recommend the hotel for someone who wants to go a bit up market from the usual places described here.
GE
The previous reports you can read are so right. They tell exactly the situation for the TOURIST, who is here only a short time. However, it is my personal believe that if you STAY here the demise of the sex trade is actually benefiting us. The calls I get every day, evening. Out of the freelancer places because they have no customer. Those who live here might be sitting on a (sex) gold mine thanks to the crackdown on the entertainment industry. The desperation by some girls is so great that in a certain freelancer bar last week I literally had to knock them off me when I wanted to leave the bar alone, angrily shouting behind me; up to you! Goodnight!.
If you are not picky in looks, well, there is plenty available., all the time. They will call you.
Shadow 6491 made a very good observation concerning the new Walkabout hotel. Can you imagine 1000 to 2000 Thai Bath for what is no more then a simple room WITH a curfew on guests? Can you imagine? Totally nuts, even if you can bring as many guests as you like, way out of line these prices.
It is my personal believe that the excessive hotel rates for no more then simple rooms, mostly double or triple and more then what you pay in for example Pattaya, and the unrentless crackdown on the so called; sex trade; has and is totally killed the city for those who like to come here on a holiday.
Well after a holiday I am back in Cambodia/PP and not much has changed, yes the scene may be a bit lax but there are still gorgeous girls around and if you do take your time then you can find the girl for you for the night.
As previously stated a lot of kmer places have been shut down, but lets face facts, P4P is still shit loads cheaper in Cambodia that Thailand.
Bar fines in Thailand in BKK are 600 thats well over a bar fine here of $10.
A lot of the girls here initially ask $40, just negotiate most will go down to $20-$25, pickings are slim at the moment. 104 St is particularly expensive and many of the girls ask $50 as a start, a friend of mine wanted a really hot girl and offered her $150 for 5 nights/days which she accepted - she sorted out the bar fines etc and he just paid the $150.
So, yes you can get good value, I even had an offer from a girl at one of the massage places and damn cutie who is very good at her job for $100 for 4 days, but I declined as I have a stay at home, lol.
If you're coming over and haven't been in a long time or first time, get in with a few local ex-pats, find out which bars are good and get a feel for PP, maybe more work to do than Thailand but personally I'd rather be here.
So stop complaining and have fun.
[QUOTE=Allover]Will be in PP next month for a few nights. I know Street 136 and 104 are good bar streets. Do you just walk in every bar and look around? Can anybody name some good ones? I know Candy Bar on 104 seems to be recommended here. Any other bar names would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
Looking at the posts below, one thing I want to mention was that I was there at the tail end of the high season, and now these guys are reporting at low season, so, it's to be expected things aren't as happening now as back in Feb when I was there. Then again there was this crackdown, so it remains to be seen how that shakes out, but it might take til next high season again to find out.
What I did on Sts 104 and 136 was just go walk by a few times checking out as best I could from outside what kinds of girls were at the different bars, in general. If something looked hopeful, I went in (either then or else later on in the evening) and had a beer. If it still looked hopeful I stuck around and tried to get a bit of face time with the damsel of my choice. That's not always that easy -- she might be with another customer, or else barfined out already, or else she takes one look at you and decides no way. (that happened with one) If you do get the face time, then you might need to work it a bit carefully -- from what I could tell, some of them don't go with a customer unless they're keen to.
Eventually I at least got to see inside almost every bar on those 2 strips. Just a few had what I was after. In 2 I got shut out. In one I was lucky and got a really cute one who was just what the doc ordered. If I had one regret, it's that I didn't also get to do her sister, who also worked in that same bar.
Candy had by far the MOST girls working there, I would guess about 40 or more the night I was there. Other bars have far fewer, tho I'd say the 2 sisters were hotter than any in Candy (IMO). Sorry don't remember which bar that was, and I'd bet they don't work there any more at this point. But these places are all VERY obvious, you can not miss them. They're all on the same block on both sides of the street, last block before you reach the riverfront.
I suppose you could walk into a bar and take a look around, then decide not to stay. Maybe pretend you're looking for your friend and don't see him. But of course they don't love that, for obvious reasons.
[QUOTE=Small Dick]So stop complaining and have fun.[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to complain. I've had good times in PP.
But now I just simply don't travel to PP anymore, even it's only a 2-hrs flight for me.
Lost interest. Thats all.
Enjoy!
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]I did respond to you in a PM, but I wanted to go on public record as well, because I don't want people thinking that Bouganvillier is a dump. It's a very nice hotel, perfectly situated, with decent service and nice rooms. [/QUOTE]
I checked the place when I was in PP lately and although it does look nice it also does not have wireless internet in the rooms. You would think that a higher class hotel that goes for a premium near $100 would have (what I consider nowadays) a basic and easy to provide service, but nada.
[QUOTE=Denom]I checked the place when I was in PP lately and although it does look nice it also does not have wireless internet in the rooms. You would think that a higher class hotel that goes for a premium near $100 would have (what I consider nowadays) a basic and easy to provide service, but nada.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what rooms you might have seen, but mine did have wireless and it was included in the price. The problem for me was that the signal was weak, and intermittent, so ultimately I asked for a cable, which worked fine. Again, there was no charge for the Internet service.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]I don't know what rooms you might have seen, but mine did have wireless and it was included in the price. The problem for me was that the signal was weak, and intermittent, so ultimately I asked for a cable, which worked fine. Again, there was no charge for the Internet service.
GE[/QUOTE]
OK - then I was mis-informed by the reception, as it often happens in these cases. I didn't check the rooms, only enquired whether such a service was available and they told me only in the lobby, not in the rooms. That's the 3rd time it happens to me (that the receptionist tells me the service is not available in the room, only to find out it actually is).
[QUOTE=Small Dick]As previously stated a lot of kmer places have been shut down, but lets face facts, P4P is still shit loads cheaper in Cambodia that Thailand.
Bar fines in Thailand in BKK are 600 thats well over a bar fine here of $10.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure you can directly compare Thailand and Cambodia. Most people I know in Thailand barfine girls from the bar beers rather than the a-go-gos where the price is 300 baht, just over $9 at today's rate of exchange. The point is that five years there was no barfine in Cambodia which was novel and made PP very user friendly. Now those days have gone PP for my money has lost that edge.
[QUOTE=Doppel One]I recently returned after an absence of two years. And wow, I hardly recognized the place![/QUOTE]Superb summary of PP now and then.
I personally think the mongering scene peaked quite a while ago, back around 2000-04. But the decline over the past couple years has really been the final blow. There are still plenty of reasons to visit PP, but cheap easy sex is no longer one of them.
The flip side of this is that the new generation of Cambodian girls are a lot more open-minded than their sisters of ten or 15 years ago, and anyone who sticks around for a few months, learns a bit of Khmer, etc. will find all kinds of opportunities that didn't use to exist.
[QUOTE=Betong]Superb summary of PP now and then.
I personally think the mongering scene peaked quite a while ago, back around 2000-04. But the decline over the past couple years has really been the final blow. There are still plenty of reasons to visit PP, but cheap easy sex is no longer one of them.
The flip side of this is that the new generation of Cambodian girls are a lot more open-minded than their sisters of ten or 15 years ago, and anyone who sticks around for a few months, learns a bit of Khmer, etc. will find all kinds of opportunities that didn't use to exist.[/QUOTE]Bentong,
The whole se asia is on the decline back in the 1998 to 2002 the Asian financial melt down when the US dollar is strong and more girl avalible and everything is cheap at Thailand, PI and China, the 5 USD FS is long gone at PP but is still cheaper than most place in asia.
Fast Eddie 48
Yes, its true, PP has lost all of its former glory. Where is the time you got up in the morning, looked at your watch and said; that more hours till 6 tonight, the time Sophie Club opended, upon entrance all girls in the bar gave you a public blowjob, damage one dollar each, ahh. 12 girls 12 bucks. Where is the time?
But, even today 10 bucks gets you laid almost anywhere on the condition you are NOT picky concerning looks.
Barfine? Not in my lifetime. Never paid one and never will. They can leave their ass where they are, there is no need for it in PP. It was introduced here by what is commonly called; the Pattaya scum; of whom many are gone back where they came from. If I do meet a girl I like who needs to be barfined, just ask for her mobile and will call here off job. No problem. All comply.
So can a tourist still enjoy himself with the ladies? For sure he can, when he is prepared to accept that All Bars available to him will be less then what he would find in e. G. Soi 7 in Pattaya. And the stunners are thin here. But if you are not picky, there is no problem. And cheap.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Bentong,
the 5 USD FS is long gone at PP
Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]
$5 long gone???
Not totally true for PP, still available if you are willing to wander around abit. And as CamboS. said below, if you are willing to forgive a bit on the looks department.
Shark
[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter]But, even today 10 bucks gets you laid almost anywhere on the condition you are NOT picky concerning looks.
Barfine? Not in my lifetime. Never paid one and never will. They can leave their ass where they are, there is no need for it in PP. If I do meet a girl I like who needs to be barfined, just ask for her mobile and will call here off job. No problem. All comply.[/QUOTE]I have to agree that a lot is still possible for 10 bucks. But when you pay that, do not go back to the same bar next evening if it was a bar in street 104 or 136. And about the barfine, yes it might be possible not to pay, if you like to wait all the time until the closes. I f I have 20 bucks drinking bill and they add 5 dollar BF, fine I pay 25 and no tip. Without a BF I might have tipped 2 or 3 dollar. So what is the difference? I do not bother that much about 5 bucks as long as I will get good service afterwards.
[QUOTE=Sharka]$5 long gone???
Not totally true for PP, still available if you are willing to wander around abit. And as CamboS. said below, if you are willing to forgive a bit on the looks department.
Shark[/QUOTE]to Shark,
That was back in 1998 only been to pp a few time ,not been back since 2006 not sure will be back again just enjoy China and other country better, Cambo and PP is not a safe place to wander around to look for cheap thrill too danger.
Fast eddie 48
Gosh, am I ever ticked:
Went to 136 Bar and ordered two Bacardi/cokes for me and my gf. We have been there several times the past few weeks and most of the staff know us. I am definitely not a Cheap Charley.
The drinks the waitress delivered definitely were not Bacardi (might have been cheap smelly gin), but the waitress would not listen to my plea or offer to exchange our drinks (which had only been sipped: the pungent odor was clearly not Bacardi).
Without drinking the concoction, I paid the bill (no tip) and told the waitress and the "minder" that we would not be back (and I doubt I will).
Afterwards, I wondered: should I have reported the incident to the manager, or was I correct in telling the two staff persons and politely leaving?
Bule2004
Afterwards, I wondered: should I have reported the incident to the manager, or was I correct in telling the two staff persons and politely leaving?
Bule2004
You most certainly did the right thing. It would have got very very nasty for you if you had not paid.
The past few months a number of Bar owners (hostess related or not Bars) literally had to FLEE THE COUNTRY, leaving everything they could not take with them behind. Gives you an idea about how bad it is here. Not for all, some bar are working very well and making money. If this had happended to me I would show no restraint at all in naming and shamimg the bar in question, because that is exactly what they deserve, so others members here know, and if they like can find out for themselves. But I am not surprised at all, probably just cheap local crap added, and here is your drink!
To Shark,
That was back in 1998 only been to pp a few time, not been back since 2006 not sure will be back again just enjoy China and other country better, Cambo and PP is not a safe place to wander around to look for cheap thrill too danger.
Fast Eddie 48
Nobody has to doubt for a moment what Sharka writes is true, actually, today on the 15 of May 2010 it is possible to get laid in the Penh for 3 bucks, but I do not believe you would like, although you do get pussy for it.
A quick word on the issue of Barfines, I believe that if you come as a tourist for a couple of days this should indeed be no problem, but again, as you LIVE here, there really, really is no need for it. A few hours ago I picked one up from one of these bars, I called her on her mobile and just told her would pick her up on the junction of 136/13, and there she was. No barfine.
Whatever she told the bar I do not know, if ever she told them anything, as sometimes there are so many of them that one missing for an hour they might not even notice, as they sit inside and outside the business. I asked her how is business, and she said it is very very bad. That comfirms e. G. My own observations. For I think almost a month now I have for instance not seen a living soul in Hotel Flamingos, normally there are often barangs sitting outside with their girls, but not lately, not afternoon and not evening time, although they might be full, I do not know, but when I pass there not a living soul to be seen.
Things, for many barang who run a Bar business here, are not looking good at all. Not at all. And the fake drinks are not going to help.
[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter]
Nobody has to doubt for a moment what Sharka writes is true, actually, today on the 15 of May 2010 it is possible to get laid in the Penh for 3 bucks, but I do not believe you would like, although you do get pussy for it.
.[/QUOTE]
Hey Cambo,
I've seen and done the $5 and some were ok even for that price, but reckon can't even imagine what the $3 ones will look like. Maybe I'll have a look just for curiousity on my next venture there.
cheers pal
Shark
[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter]Nobody has to doubt for a moment what Sharka writes is true, actually, today on the 15 of May 2010 it is possible to get laid in the Penh for 3 bucks, but I do not believe you would like, although you do get pussy for it.[/QUOTE]Camboblowshooter
A number of years ago I was propositioned by a gal in a bar around the corner from Flamingos who wanted $1 for the works: BJ, full penetration. And god knows what else she would have thrown in for the price. I declined (most sensible people would given the state she was in) but the lady got her dollar which slipped out of my pocket and into her palm out of sheer pity.
I wonder if its the same lady you encountered just recently charging $3. Factoring in PP inflation over the years? Did she have any teeth?
Doppel One
[quote=Camboblowshooter]Nobody has to doubt for a moment what Sharka writes is true, actually, today on the 15 of May 2010 it is possible to get laid in the Penh for 3 bucks, but I do not believe you would like, although you do get pussy for it.
Camboblowshooter[/quote]A number of years ago I was propositioned by a gal in a bar around the corner from Flamingos who wanted $1 for the works: BJ, full penetration. And god knows what else she would have thrown in for the price. I declined (most sensible people would given the state she was in) but the lady got her dollar which slipped out of my pocket and into her palm out of sheer pity.
I wonder if its the same lady you encountered just recently charging $3. Factoring in PP inflation over the years? Did she have any teeth?
Good observation. Still valid today, however the teethless are charging a bit more now, indeed inflation.
The 3 dollar gals I was talking about are sitting in so called hoarhouses. This is also, as far as I understand, the bottom price. But they do start by asking higher, but a continuous no from the punter get price down to 3.
I am not able to comment on the quality of them, as I have never used their services. Dental work in this country is very cheap, so really, no matter which gal I meet whose teeth are not in good order, she will not jump on the back of my motorbike, because I consider bad teeth same as bad general cleanliness.
What I can tell you for sure is that those who are working there, well, they are at the end of the row...
It is all up to the individual himself. The point was merely made that you can get laid for 5 or even 3 bucks in the Penh today.
I meet many girls, and it is my personal impression that for example a number of those Walkabout girls would not have to think long if you would stand your ground on 5 bucks ST. And no, I have never taken on out there, but that is my impression from talking to them. Most of them, I do not like their teeth too much...
Looks dont matter to me, it is the quality under the head I am interested in, and it would be very wrong to assume that a non-looker could/would not have perfect hygiene.
The price for all this is up to you, but I never have to call a girl 2 times to come to my house or pick her up somewhere in the city. I am always respectfull and gracious to them. All the time.
ATTENTION ; my gal of last night also informed me that the coppers are now cracking down on tourist/barang drug users, apparantly some barang had to pay their way out of the coppers station after getting caught smoking grass here, so be warned. If I am informed well the coppers are actually informing the Bar owners smoking grass is over...(I am a non-smoker), so...be careful. Fun in the penh...??
[QUOTE=Doppel One]Camboblowshooter
A number of years ago I was propositioned by a gal in a bar around the corner from Flamingos who wanted $1 for the works: BJ, full penetration. And god knows what else she would have thrown in for the price. I declined (most sensible people would given the state she was in) but the lady got her dollar which slipped out of my pocket and into her palm out of sheer pity.
I wonder if its the same lady you encountered just recently charging $3. Factoring in PP inflation over the years? Did she have any teeth?[/QUOTE]
Hey you guys are really making me want to come to Phnom Penh. ;)
OK I'll bite (no pun intended): how many teeth did she still have when you saw her? You know what they say: best BJ's are given by the ones who have no teeth left. ;)
[QUOTE=Doppel One]My first report, I normally peruse rather than contribute, but on this occasion I feel obliged to jot something down.
I've been popping in an out of Phnom Penh for about ten years and I recently returned after an absence of two years. And wow, I hardly recognized the place!
P. P. Used to be my favorite destination and (seriously) I'd get a stiffy on the airplane in anticipation of the delicious fruits that were on offer on the ground. Unfortunately, P. P. In its present incarnation is a shadow of its former self from a mongering perspective. Maybe I was just unlucky because I arrived during a 'clampdown' and left, a month later, during the same clampdown.[/QUOTE]I've not been for about 4-5 years. This doesn't make me want to go although I'd love to. I really liked Phnom Penh. But I need my end away. Are the shacks near the incinerator still there?
I lack the historical perspective of most of you, and I've only been to PP twice; most recently about three weeks ago. However, I really liked the place, had a great time while I was there, and will certainly return at the very earliest opportunity. I can't comment on what it once was, but the way it is now is just fine with me.
GE
Goodenough,
I lack the historical perspective of most of you, and I've only been to PP twice; most recently about three weeks ago. However, I really liked the place, had a great time while I was there, and will certainly return at the very earliest opportunity. I can't comment on what it once was, but the way it is now is just fine with me.
GE
Yes, certainly. Especially if you can afford quality hotels and have dollars to spend, for sure its nice here. But many who come here can not do that. Thats their problem.
If you have some time and can wander around the greater Phnom-Penh area, you will find many terrific places, who have nothing to do with sex, just for a drink or a meal, absolutely world class standard. But not cheap.
For those who come next time, have a look at Diamand Island, just past Naga Casino, cross the new bridge and you are there, still a lot of building going on, but gives you an idea about how the city is changing rapidly.
This is the ISG, so., I hope for once this info can be possible as its no sex.
Cambodia, Phnom penh.
Hhigly recomended because of beautiful cheap and nice girls (they have darker skin than thai girls). Stayed in flamingo hotel in the middle of the action, visited couple of bars. In one of them I met a german guy, then we took our girls and went to martinis disco.
Had a nice time there.
I wish I had been in PP in the 90’s, but I wasn’t. For those lucky enough to have been there back then, well, you have your good times and no one can take them away from you.
I know how you guys feel about ‘90’s PP, because that is exactly the way I feel about ‘70’s Costa Rica. CR was better than great back then. Free pussy in San Jose, camping out under the stars on virgin beaches and virtually no crime; the last time I went back was in ’04 and I could hardly take it. Yet, if you never experienced CR before, the country still has a lot to offer and I am sure that new visitors can have great times there today.
Likewise, I was in PP in ‘09 and had a great time. I dug the girls, the food and “the reasonable prices.” I did not go back in ’10 because of the clampdown. I went to Pattaya and Ko Chang instead. But now, I am thinking of going back to Phnom Penh in ’11 even if things get back to normal in Thailand. On the other hand, I may just hang out in the Philippines for 6 weeks. Life is full of tough choices.
The Heaven Hotel is open again.
The Tian An Men Restaurant is also open again, the massage parlor that was behind it, however is not.
Any news about the other places that were closed?
[QUOTE=Easy Lover222]Cambodia, Phnom penh.
Hhigly recomended because of beautiful cheap and nice girls (they have darker skin than thai girls). Stayed in flamingo hotel in the middle of the action, visited couple of bars. In one of them I met a german guy, then we took our girls and went to martinis disco.
Had a nice time there.[/QUOTE]First one i heard who brougt girls to Martini.
Last time in PP was not the same hotel checking ID.
Purpletaoist The Heaven Hotel is open again.
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Correct, however the name is now Hotel Ka Reach. As I had the impression you also wanted to say the massage was open again, decided to check it out this afternoon, as I was not inside their (massage parlor 1st floor) for over a year...before I got off my motorbike the guard already came running toward me waving his arms ; no massage, no massage!!! But you can get a room to sleep starting price is 10 bucks, corner of street 148 and 19. However be advised, you get what you pay for. Crappy rooms. Beds well used in the past by the massage girls...
No massage parlor in any place that has been closed due to the sex crackdown in PP has -to my knowledge- re-opended. None.
But generally the girls in any bar are (very) hungry for your dollar. The looks they give me evening time when I pass with the bike...priceless.
Hello Folks,
I love the (monger) prices in PP, but the food is nothing to write home about. Can anyone suggest authentic Thai restaurants in PP? I'll be in PP early July. Anyone that doesn't mind having a balding Chinese wingman can message me.
Al
I seem to be at odds with most of the recent posters here regarding my enjoyment of Phnom Penh. I found the city an excellent place in which to eat. There's a very nice French Restaurant called La Marmite right next door to the Golden Vine Bar. There are some excellent French-style cafes along the length of Sisowath Quai, and I've had good Khmer food at these places as well. The food at the Amanjaya Hotel restaurant was also quite good. I ate at least as well in PP as I do in Bangkok, and I eat very well in Bangkok.
GE
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]Hello Folks,
I love the (monger) prices in PP, but the food is nothing to write home about. Can anyone suggest authentic Thai restaurants in PP? I'll be in PP early July. Anyone that doesn't mind having a balding Chinese wingman can message me.
Al[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]La Marmite[/QUOTE]One of my favorites -- like a slightly old-fashioned bistro in France, but with friendlier service.
Really good Khmer or Thai food can be surprisingly hard to track down in PP, but there is no lack of very fine French, Italian, Indian, Chinese, Vietnamese etc. Wine lovers will find better value for money here than just about anywhere else in SE Asia. In fact I think food and grog, along with resident friends, is most of the reason I go there these days.
Goodenough,
I seem to be at odds with most of the recent posters here regarding my enjoyment of Phnom Penh
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Some come with money, and know how to enjoy them. That is what money buys you, in regard to food, accomodation and the girls.
Many come with a tight budget, and stay in crappy rooms, go to the cheapest restaurants and take the cheapest girls.
The level of experience between these is huge. And that is same same everywhere in the world, but PP because of its; reputation; seems to attract those with little to spend.
However, cheap is coming to an end here in PP.
The differance e. G. Between AC and PP in terms of money costs is not that big anymore.
[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter]Some come with money, and know how to enjoy them. That is what money buys you, in regard to food, accomodation and the girls.
Many come with a tight budget, and stay in crappy rooms, go to the cheapest restaurants and take the cheapest girls.
The level of experience between these is huge. And that is same same everywhere in the world, but PP because of its; reputation; seems to attract those with little to spend.
However, cheap is coming to an end here in PP.
The differance e. G. Between AC and PP in terms of money costs is not that big anymore.[/QUOTE]
You can't buy what is not there. Take Sophie, for just one example. As for the current offer, I did not find that money makes a big difference. There are "high ends" bars (usually karaoke) near the PP monument. You will pay way more than for the bars on street 51 but you need to be lucky just the same.
Hi,
I would appreciate any help from old(er) PP-hands on the following:
1. Are there any massage parlors which provide Happy Endings or BJs or FS and what should the costs for those on the average be?
2. I am here for a couple of months but cannot use my guesthouse for mongering activities. What might be a reasonably priced alternative to take girls to?
3. Where would I find nice freelancers and what would the costs for all night be?
4. I assume there are no more possibilities in PP to find decent streetwalkers, but if yes, where would one start looking?
5. Anyone currently in PP who might be interested in visiting a couple of P4P-places. I am approaching my mid-fifties - so just u know ...
Thanks and Cheers
House007
[QUOTE=House007]4. I assume there are no more possibilities in PP to find decent streetwalkers, but if yes, where would one start looking?[/QUOTE]
I don't know what it is worth because I didn't try but there are now streewalkers at the foot of the PP monument itself. I was told it is a new phenomenon because of the recent crackdown. The girls are now going out from the bars and into public places, mengling with the general public. For that matter you may try other publics places too. Late at night I was also offered BJ in dark places of the river front by two girls on a motorbike. I guess that's kind of the mood in PP now.
[QUOTE=Denom]I don't know what it is worth because I didn't try but there are now streewalkers at the foot of the PP monument itself. I was told it is a new phenomenon because of the recent crackdown. The girls are now going out from the bars and into public places, mengling with the general public. For that matter you may try other publics places too. Late at night I was also offered BJ in dark places of the river front by two girls on a motorbike. I guess that's kind of the mood in PP now.[/QUOTE]
PP monument? Do you mean the Independence Monument on Norodom?
Well, I think I would rather stay away from BJ out in the open. Guess I miss Beach Road in Pattaya, where you can take them home for 500 Baht for a nice session on yr turf and by yr rules ...
[QUOTE=Denom]I don't know what it is worth because I didn't try but there are now streewalkers at the foot of the PP monument itself..[/QUOTE]
Not just there but all along st 154 I use to see about 8-10 SW hangout along there and off the side streets of 154, but the downside is that most will not be seen until late at nite when the streets are mainly deserted (except for the SW).
Shark
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]I seem to be at odds with most of the recent posters here regarding my enjoyment of Phnom Penh. I found the city an excellent place in which to eat.
GE[/QUOTE]
Not really at odds but as pointed out before by others it's all according to prices. I know the places you mentioned and indeed tried a few myself of the places you went amd it was comparable to many other places for the same price range in other asian countries, but for Cambodia these places/prices are consider on the higher end. Going to more Western eatery will always result in higher Western prices. Some local places also have good standards but prices are much lower and some have much better food, but downside is not all good local places have English (or even French) menu--IMO
Shark
There's one Thai place on St 130 within a block or 2 of the riverfront, can't remember the name. Seemed to be a step up. The Chiang Mai place on the river front is cheaper but not great. Name Chiang Mai but not any Chiang Mai food on the menu that I could find. Very generic and not-very-authentic Thai food at that place, from what I tried.
btw I tried to go to the other Thai restaurant and was really looking forward to having the kontoke(sp), but they told me that even tho it was on the menu, they weren't serving it, so I cut and ran.
Whats price range of Marmite? Will try next time there.
[QUOTE=House007]PP monument? Do you mean the Independence Monument on Norodom?
Well, I think I would rather stay away from BJ out in the open. Guess I miss Beach Road in Pattaya, where you can take them home for 500 Baht for a nice session on yr turf and by yr rules ...[/QUOTE]
OK - I checked on the map and it's exactly called "Wat Phnom". I was there day time and saw several girls hanging around which my guide said were pickup girls. It was fairly obvious anyway. I was on the motorbike and didn't find it worth stepping down from it to take a closer look so can't really judge the quality.
Nothing of course beats Pattaya, especially after the crackdown on the best PP specialties.
As for food specialties, I guess they still have the "happy pizza", which I never tried but read a lot about.
be informed that last tuesday may 18, 2010, the prime minister of cambodia, h. e. samdech hun sen, in a speech to the national police, said, i quote: "increase their efforts to eradicate vice."
i wonder what is going to happen in the next weeks, if anything of interest i will keep the board posted.
the issue of streetwalkers, well. a few days ago the what phnom area was deserted, in the side streets were some hookers hiding behind trees in complete darkness, as a tourist you would never find them. anyway, what do you want them for? no quality at all, many are even homeless, so.
but i guess all will be over soon here in cambodia. anybody who tought the bottom of the vice crackdown was reach has been severely mistaken, although there is not much left to eradicate anymore, yet the big man himself thinks there is.
I'll be in PP the end of this week and am looking for some upscale fun, with cost not being the main concern. Can anyone suggest places, and perhaps even a knowledgeable driver? Trying to avoid risks and wasting time.
Cheers.
for anyone whose interested there's a very good thai restaurant called setsara on st. 278. its a bit out of the way in the ngo quarter but they delivery (pick up a copy of that delivery service booklet, i think its called door 2 door).
i love thai food but because i spend six months of the year in thailand i normally foresake it when i'm in pp choosing to eat chinese food instead. there are some excellent chinese places along monivong and my personal favourite is sam do which is on the street (i forget the no) which runs up from about the mid-point of the old market to monivong. its on the left hand side as you walk up, virtually the last building before monivong (there's a funky cafe on the corner). and while you're in the area you might want to check out the hair salons on the same side of the street some of which are full of girls who are presumaably there for more than the occassional perm and set. i think you have to start off asking for a massage and venture forth from there. i have no info about pricing, but good luck if anyone goes for it!
i came across a decent indonesian restuarant last time i was in pp, at the bottom of street 178, one block back from the river, near le wok. its not exactaly salubrious but the menu is in riel and they charge 6000 for nasi gorang. which was a bit dry. but i juiced it up with the peanut sauce from the chicken sati (8000 riel). check it out.
the french restaurant le marmite (mentioned in other posts) is one of my old time favourites. i'm not a big steak eater but if i want a steak i go there. the filet is delicious and the place has a very authentic french feel to it and isn't ott. reasonable prices too, though i'd avoid friday aand saturday evenings when you seem to geet a lot of ngos and the low level diplomatic set with their families. which just isn't my scene.
its really come to something when we''re discussing food rather than shangging in pp. lets all hope things return to normal one day son. who knows, when the powers that be realize that pp has nothing to offer respectable tourists and the dollars dry up, things might just change. the problem is the powers are hungry for those aid/donation dollars and the countires that hand out the cash are uncomfortable with the sex trade in pp. the weird thing is i very rarely hear about initiatives to provide jobs for those made jobless by the 'crackdown'. its like the ngos who raid the brothels and arrest the westerner inside for having undeage sex (which i do not approve of) yet leave the **** girl in the brothel. what sort of lunacy is that?
[quote=camboblowshooter]be informed that last tuesday may 18, 2010, the prime minister of cambodia, h. e. samdech hun sen, in a speech to the national police, said, i quote: "increase their efforts to eradicate vice."
i wonder what is going to happen in the next weeks, if anything of interest i will keep the board posted.
the issue of streetwalkers, well. a few days ago the what phnom area was deserted, in the side streets were some hookers hiding behind trees in complete darkness, as a tourist you would never find them. anyway, what do you want them for? no quality at all, many are even homeless, so.
but i guess all will be over soon here in cambodia. anybody who tought the bottom of the vice crackdown was reach has been severely mistaken, although there is not much left to eradicate anymore, yet the big man himself thinks there is.[/quote]
i wouldn't be surprised if the hookers in wat phnom were of low quality, but when i was there, there were quite a few of them at the foot of the hill itself, not on the side streets.
my guide kept telling me that the crackdown resulted from a speech hun sen made on television. has he now made another one? then indeed worst is to come. i wonder what will be left standing after this rage of pseudo-righteousness.
[QUOTE=Mercboy]I'll be in PP the end of this week and am looking for some upscale fun, with cost not being the main concern. Can anyone suggest places, and perhaps even a knowledgeable driver? Trying to avoid risks and wasting time.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]
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There have been hookers around Wat Phnom for 10 years it is nothing new. These are some of the roughest hookers in PP. This is where a lot of ladyboys hang out at night plying there trade. It is a very dangerous place to be at night if you are on your own and on foot. I am very careful even when driving a big moto around there at night would never go on my small moto late at night.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]There have been hookers around Wat Phnom for 10 years it is nothing new. These are some of the roughest hookers in PP. This is where a lot of ladyboys hang out at night plying there trade. It is a very dangerous place to be at night if you are on your own and on foot. I am very careful even when driving a big moto around there at night would never go on my small moto late at night.[/QUOTE]
I've actually been around the Wat area at nite to the few local bars in this area on my rental moto but only because I know my final destination. I too would exercise caution if unaware of this neighborhood as it is a little seedy.
Saying it's a little seedy is like saying the pope is a little GERMAN
Bounced around the bars last night, first night out in a while.
Went to candy and played the tourist for a while then spotted two lovely girls behind the bar compared to the dross with me.
Tina from battambong was quite keen and very beautiful but we didn't get down to brass tacks.
Went on to the black cat, mr kims bar on the corner near the flamingo. Me and mr kim nearly went halves in that one over two years ago, it was 18K.
Wish that I had of taken the plunge, would have been a good move in retrospect.
Some very nice girls there, one 27 year old that they claimed was original-bullshit of course.
Moved on to Shanghai, good last week, terrible last night-girls not intererested.
Last stop-martinis.
Not too bad, a few nice girls but nothing like the old days.
Could have taken a pair of viets, but they wernt that inspiring.
RIP phnom penh.
I plan to visit PP for the first time and i would like to know any girlfriendly hotels near the action and sighseeing in a range of about 40$. Do most hotels charge for the girl's visit?
Thanks to all of you who would help me!
[QUOTE=Dinghy]Saying it's a little seedy is like saying the pope is a little GERMAN[/QUOTE]Gentlemen,
Re: the "seed factor". Oh yes, a little seed can be a huge turn on for me, though the area around what Phnom and the street parallel with St 108 on the what Phnom side is just so dark and murky late at night even I would hesitate about approaching one of the amorphous shadows that lurk there.
Please indulge me because I want to relate a somewhat seedy tale to you but I'm unsure where to post this because the event happened in Sihanoukville a few years ago, so for those who think I should be posting in the 'Other Areas' section, I apologize.
I always rather liked Snooky, preferring the earthier side of life, say the brothels on Blue Mountain to the hostess bars up on Victory Hill. That's just my personal preference. Quite often I'd frequent the chicken farm down by the docks and to say the place had an 'edge' late at night was an understatement. There used to be a great club there called Biba (? I'm hopeless with names) where they used to present you with a drinks menu and a ***** menu (with photos of girls) simultaneously. Now that's my sort of place.
So there I was down on the chicken farm one night feeling ultra horny. I noticed a couple of Khmer girls standing outside the most dilapidated wooden shack brothel on the strip (it was barely standing) along with the fat, hideous (we're talking 18 stone ++) mamasan. A few seconds later I was being led inside by the two svelte girls for a threesome that was going to cost me $10 ($5 each – I believe the same price applies today).
To get to the shower room you had to walk along a mud caked plank in this joint, and of course the shower was the old pale of water affair. After rinsing off I returned to the cubicle with the girls and we immediately got down to an hour of great sex. The girls were just delightful, wonderfully attentive and thorough. I vividly remember taking one of the girls doggy-style as the other enthusiastically rimmed my ass with her tongue as a huge rat scurried past on one of the wonky timbers that kept this place upright.
To cut a long story short I had a wonderful orgasm and unless they were faking it both girls climaxed too. When it was all over we walked the plank back to the shower room, returning to the cubicle to get dressed a few minutes later. I gave the girls $5 each plus an extra $2 tip (for great service) and of course they were delighted with that, jumping up and down hugging and kissing me. At which point the fat, ugly mamasan blundered into the cubicle (she was a jolly enough soul) and started to tease me about giving her a $1 tip. Well, I'm not as mean as I appear so I thought 'what the hell' and reached into my pants to give her dollar. The problem was I was still horny and my cock was at least 50% erect. I still don't know what got into me in that moment but I handed the mamasan $5 instead of $1 and then without saying a word, I ripped into a new condom wrapper with my teeth, put the latex on, and in one continuous movement I turned the mamasan around, pushed her head forward, lifted up her tent-like skirt, pulled down her soiled pants to reveal her massive ass, drooping with blubbery folds of fat. I then rammed my dick into the general zone where the mamasan's pussy should have been (because you couldn't see her **** lips through the mounds of flesh). To say the mamasan was taken by surprise was a slight understatement. I doubt she'd been fucked many times in her life and judging by the huge smile on her face and the whoops of delight, she was enjoying every moment. The girls were besides themselves with laughter (obviously they'd never seen anyone fuck the mamasan before) and they were clapping and hollering with delight. Before I knew it more girls rushed into the cubicle to investigate the commotion and I was suddenly performing in front of six maybe seven girls. The original two girls suddenly jumped into the fray and as I was thwacking the living daylights out of the Nelly the Elephant one of the girls got to work sucking my balls while the other went back to rimming my ass. I eventually pulled out, ripped off the condom and shot my load in the direction of the mamasan's greedy, gaping mouth, but I kind of missed and my spunk ended up in her hair and big blob smacked against the timbered wall.
I didn't bother re-showering and I just got dressed. As I left the cubicle with the girls, still being applauded as the conquering hero, I noticed the rat licking my spunk which had dribbled down the wall onto the floor.
I know what you're all thinking – disgusting! Revolting! Shoot him! But here's the thing guys
I am, shall we say, a man of the world. I've fucked hundreds of girls on five different continents, not all pay4play and in my time I've had real relationships for my sins. I've fucked cat walk models, actresses, a lot of 8s, 9s, possibly even the occasional 10. But quite often when I find myself alone and in the mood to jerk off I lie back and allow the movie I have inside my head featuring sexual encounters to roll forward. I start off thinking of all the gorgeous 8s, 9s and the 10s I've fucked over the years but invariably, in order to really turn myself on my mind drifts back to that dilapidated brothel knocking the stuffing out of the 18 stone mamasan with the other two girls licking my balls and ass as the crowd cheered. Oh yes, a bit of 'seed'. You can't beat it in my book!
Now you're probably thinking what on earth has all this got to do with PP? Well, given the current crackdown I don't really feel compelled to revisit the city, but if the 'sex/entertainment trade' were forced underground and PP reemerged as a seedy sex capital where punters were reduced to fucking in darkened doorways and behind flapping foliage – then hey, I'd be back in a flash!
Enjoy!
[QUOTE=Dole13]I plan to visit PP for the first time and i would like to know any girlfriendly hotels near the action and sighseeing in a range of about 40$. Do most hotels charge for the girl's visit? [/QUOTE]
I've been here a month and have not encountered a hotel that is not girl friendly, and none have charged for the girl's visit.
Bule2004
I know that Billabong is not girl friendly.
[QUOTE=Doppel One]Gentlemen,
Re: the "seed factor". Oh yes, a little seed can be a huge turn on for me, though the area around what Phnom and the street parallel with St 108 on the what Phnom side is just so dark and murky late at night even I would hesitate about approaching one of the amorphous shadows that lurk there.
Please indulge me because I want to relate a somewhat seedy tale to you but I'm unsure where to post this because the event happened in Sihanoukville a few years ago, so for those who think I should be posting in the 'Other Areas' section, I apologize.
I always rather liked Snooky, preferring the earthier side of life, say the brothels on Blue Mountain to the hostess bars up on Victory Hill. That's just my personal preference. Quite often I'd frequent the chicken farm down by the docks and to say the place had an 'edge' late at night was an understatement. There used to be a great club there called Biba (? I'm hopeless with names) where they used to present you with a drinks menu and a ***** menu (with photos of girls) simultaneously. Now that's my sort of place.
So there I was down on the chicken farm one night feeling ultra horny. I noticed a couple of Khmer girls standing outside the most dilapidated wooden shack brothel on the strip (it was barely standing) along with the fat, hideous (we're talking 18 stone ++) mamasan. A few seconds later I was being led inside by the two svelte girls for a threesome that was going to cost me $10 ($5 each – I believe the same price applies today).
To get to the shower room you had to walk along a mud caked plank in this joint, and of course the shower was the old pale of water affair. After rinsing off I returned to the cubicle with the girls and we immediately got down to an hour of great sex. The girls were just delightful, wonderfully attentive and thorough. I vividly remember taking one of the girls doggy-style as the other enthusiastically rimmed my ass with her tongue as a huge rat scurried past on one of the wonky timbers that kept this place upright.
To cut a long story short I had a wonderful orgasm and unless they were faking it both girls climaxed too. When it was all over we walked the plank back to the shower room, returning to the cubicle to get dressed a few minutes later. I gave the girls $5 each plus an extra $2 tip (for great service) and of course they were delighted with that, jumping up and down hugging and kissing me. At which point the fat, ugly mamasan blundered into the cubicle (she was a jolly enough soul) and started to tease me about giving her a $1 tip. Well, I'm not as mean as I appear so I thought 'what the hell' and reached into my pants to give her dollar. The problem was I was still horny and my cock was at least 50% erect. I still don't know what got into me in that moment but I handed the mamasan $5 instead of $1 and then without saying a word, I ripped into a new condom wrapper with my teeth, put the latex on, and in one continuous movement I turned the mamasan around, pushed her head forward, lifted up her tent-like skirt, pulled down her soiled pants to reveal her massive ass, drooping with blubbery folds of fat. I then rammed my dick into the general zone where the mamasan's pussy should have been (because you couldn't see her **** lips through the mounds of flesh). To say the mamasan was taken by surprise was a slight understatement. I doubt she'd been fucked many times in her life and judging by the huge smile on her face and the whoops of delight, she was enjoying every moment. The girls were besides themselves with laughter (obviously they'd never seen anyone fuck the mamasan before) and they were clapping and hollering with delight. Before I knew it more girls rushed into the cubicle to investigate the commotion and I was suddenly performing in front of six maybe seven girls. The original two girls suddenly jumped into the fray and as I was thwacking the living daylights out of the Nelly the Elephant one of the girls got to work sucking my balls while the other went back to rimming my ass. I eventually pulled out, ripped off the condom and shot my load in the direction of the mamasan's greedy, gaping mouth, but I kind of missed and my spunk ended up in her hair and big blob smacked against the timbered wall.
I didn't bother re-showering and I just got dressed. As I left the cubicle with the girls, still being applauded as the conquering hero, I noticed the rat licking my spunk which had dribbled down the wall onto the floor.
I know what you're all thinking – disgusting! Revolting! Shoot him! But here's the thing guys
I am, shall we say, a man of the world. I've fucked hundreds of girls on five different continents, not all pay4play and in my time I've had real relationships for my sins. I've fucked cat walk models, actresses, a lot of 8s, 9s, possibly even the occasional 10. But quite often when I find myself alone and in the mood to jerk off I lie back and allow the movie I have inside my head featuring sexual encounters to roll forward. I start off thinking of all the gorgeous 8s, 9s and the 10s I've fucked over the years but invariably, in order to really turn myself on my mind drifts back to that dilapidated brothel knocking the stuffing out of the 18 stone mamasan with the other two girls licking my balls and ass as the crowd cheered. Oh yes, a bit of 'seed'. You can't beat it in my book!
Now you're probably thinking what on earth has all this got to do with PP? Well, given the current crackdown I don't really feel compelled to revisit the city, but if the 'sex/entertainment trade' were forced underground and PP reemerged as a seedy sex capital where punters were reduced to fucking in darkened doorways and behind flapping foliage – then hey, I'd be back in a flash!
Enjoy![/QUOTE]I hate to say it, but I would have enjoyed doing the same thing. Wish I could buy you a beer!
[QUOTE=Doppel One]Gentlemen,
Please indulge me because I want to relate a somewhat seedy tale to you but I'm unsure where to post this because the event happened in Sihanoukville a few years ago[/QUOTE]
Many thanks for a great story!
[QUOTE=Doppel One]that dilapidated brothel knocking the stuffing out of the 18 stone mamasan with the other two girls licking my balls and ass as the crowd cheered.[/QUOTE]
I salute a worthy fucker!
Not to distract you fellers, as seems that all are having a great time from what I read here. I wanted to know though, as heard a crackdown of some type taking place on PP, what is it like now. Is the "Crackdown" making a huge difference, is it realy even happening, any recent reports?
Thanks
Went with a buddy to Candy's the other night and the girls-monger ratio was easily 10:1. Once we were through the door, 4-5 escorted us each to the table and we then had both about 2 to each side. The girls immediately started to massage my neck, back, hands and thighs. Apart from one which groped the groin area a bit, it was all very decent but I have to say that the head massage one gave me, felt extremely good - I mean the real head - temples, etc. :-)
We only went in to have a drink and check out the scene, so we didn't stay that long. No pressure for lady drinks or barfining any of the gals, which was good as well. Finally we paid up and gave a dollar to each of the girls, I gave the one which had massaged my head for very long 2. No idea whether that was ok, but they all seemed happy. Got a few kisses on the way out and might be back for one special cutie I spotted.
69 Bar was less overwhelming but good Happy Hour - draft for 1.50 and you get 1 for free. Fewer girls but similar massage routine. Also saw one there I would like to take home :-)
Will try to close the deal these days. Was surprised that the girls were not pushy at all ...
Would love to hear others' recent experiences ...
Yep I'm in favour of the occasional seed factor too. I think that once you've tried almost everything, the earthier side of life has some strange erotic qualities to it.
Many years ago, maybe 10 years at least I was staying at the beach by Sihanoukville during rainy season and it had been a total day of flooding etc. The power was out as usual.
So I rented a motorbike and had a great ride through the flooded roads late at night pretty much passing nobody.
It was pitch dark and the roads to the port were in much worse condition than now.
The only shiny things were the eyes of buffalo who seem to enjoy sitting in the middle of the road.
Apart from that it was pitch black and kind of eerie.
I finally made it to the chicken farm. No other guys in sight.
Considered stopping at BIba as it was a fun place but decided being wet and muddy to keep going up the road.
Long story short being the only person stupid enough to ride out there in those conditions I was being chased up and down the road by mamasans and their flock of girls in the rain.
Was offered 2 cute girls for $ 5. 00 and thought this to b the best $ 5. 00 investment ever when another mamasan topped it with a 3 girls for $5. 00 special.
The girls were genuinely cute.
To this day that is my personal best pricing value.
Can't remember what I tipped but I always tip for good service.
But the rooms if you can call them that were just as Doppel One described. Planks from one leaky shed to another. Everything already wet or damp from the rain. Tin cans collected the drips. Perhaps the only thing hiding the rats, cockroaches, and who knows what, was the darkness and candle light.
But the excitement of the storm, the kind of human electricity it put into the girls was amazing. I still consider t one of my best all time mongering experiences. The girls were fantastic and super charged from being stuck inside by the rain.
Like Doppel One I've mongered all over the world.
Paying closer to 1000.00 in New York for a night with a Ukranian catwalk model. But I was young and drunk at the time with a job that paid stupid money. It was the 'new normal' at the time for the real Russian models in New York.
BTW I'm not American just worked a bit there.
Often the adventure mongering, the hunt, the discovery leads you to something awesome.
[QUOTE=Doppel One]Gentlemen,
Re: the "seed factor". Oh yes, a little seed can be a huge turn on for me, though the area around what Phnom and the street parallel with St 108 on the what Phnom side is just so dark and murky late at night even I would hesitate about approaching one of the amorphous shadows that lurk there.
Please indulge me because I want to relate a somewhat seedy tale to you but I'm unsure where to post this because the event happened in Sihanoukville a few years ago, so for those who think I should be posting in the 'Other Areas' section, I apologize.
I always rather liked Snooky, preferring the earthier side of life, say the brothels on Blue Mountain to the hostess bars up on Victory Hill. That's just my personal preference. Quite often I'd frequent the chicken farm down by the docks and to say the place had an 'edge' late at night was an understatement. There used to be a great club there called Biba (? I'm hopeless with names) where they used to present you with a drinks menu and a ***** menu (with photos of girls) simultaneously. Now that's my sort of place.
So there I was down on the chicken farm one night feeling ultra horny. I noticed a couple of Khmer girls standing outside the most dilapidated wooden shack brothel on the strip (it was barely standing) along with the fat, hideous (we're talking 18 stone ++) mamasan. A few seconds later I was being led inside by the two svelte girls for a threesome that was going to cost me $10 ($5 each – I believe the same price applies today).
To get to the shower room you had to walk along a mud caked plank in this joint, and of course the shower was the old pale of water affair. After rinsing off I returned to the cubicle with the girls and we immediately got down to an hour of great sex. The girls were just delightful, wonderfully attentive and thorough. I vividly remember taking one of the girls doggy-style as the other enthusiastically rimmed my ass with her tongue as a huge rat scurried past on one of the wonky timbers that kept this place upright.
To cut a long story short I had a wonderful orgasm and unless they were faking it both girls climaxed too. When it was all over we walked the plank back to the shower room, returning to the cubicle to get dressed a few minutes later. I gave the girls $5 each plus an extra $2 tip (for great service) and of course they were delighted with that, jumping up and down hugging and kissing me. At which point the fat, ugly mamasan blundered into the cubicle (she was a jolly enough soul) and started to tease me about giving her a $1 tip. Well, I'm not as mean as I appear so I thought 'what the hell' and reached into my pants to give her dollar. The problem was I was still horny and my cock was at least 50% erect. I still don't know what got into me in that moment but I handed the mamasan $5 instead of $1 and then without saying a word, I ripped into a new condom wrapper with my teeth, put the latex on, and in one continuous movement I turned the mamasan around, pushed her head forward, lifted up her tent-like skirt, pulled down her soiled pants to reveal her massive ass, drooping with blubbery folds of fat. I then rammed my dick into the general zone where the mamasan's pussy should have been (because you couldn't see her **** lips through the mounds of flesh). To say the mamasan was taken by surprise was a slight understatement. I doubt she'd been fucked many times in her life and judging by the huge smile on her face and the whoops of delight, she was enjoying every moment. The girls were besides themselves with laughter (obviously they'd never seen anyone fuck the mamasan before) and they were clapping and hollering with delight. Before I knew it more girls rushed into the cubicle to investigate the commotion and I was suddenly performing in front of six maybe seven girls. The original two girls suddenly jumped into the fray and as I was thwacking the living daylights out of the Nelly the Elephant one of the girls got to work sucking my balls while the other went back to rimming my ass. I eventually pulled out, ripped off the condom and shot my load in the direction of the mamasan's greedy, gaping mouth, but I kind of missed and my spunk ended up in her hair and big blob smacked against the timbered wall.
I didn't bother re-showering and I just got dressed. As I left the cubicle with the girls, still being applauded as the conquering hero, I noticed the rat licking my spunk which had dribbled down the wall onto the floor.
I know what you're all thinking – disgusting! Revolting! Shoot him! But here's the thing guys
I am, shall we say, a man of the world. I've fucked hundreds of girls on five different continents, not all pay4play and in my time I've had real relationships for my sins. I've fucked cat walk models, actresses, a lot of 8s, 9s, possibly even the occasional 10. But quite often when I find myself alone and in the mood to jerk off I lie back and allow the movie I have inside my head featuring sexual encounters to roll forward. I start off thinking of all the gorgeous 8s, 9s and the 10s I've fucked over the years but invariably, in order to really turn myself on my mind drifts back to that dilapidated brothel knocking the stuffing out of the 18 stone mamasan with the other two girls licking my balls and ass as the crowd cheered. Oh yes, a bit of 'seed'. You can't beat it in my book!
Now you're probably thinking what on earth has all this got to do with PP? Well, given the current crackdown I don't really feel compelled to revisit the city, but if the 'sex/entertainment trade' were forced underground and PP reemerged as a seedy sex capital where punters were reduced to fucking in darkened doorways and behind flapping foliage – then hey, I'd be back in a flash!
Enjoy![/QUOTE]Quality! This reminds me of me.
In a newspaper report earlier this week it states; due to the sex crackdown prisons nationwide are beyond capacity.
The what Phnom area is deserted of SW evenings for at least the last week, think I know where they are.
Concerning the report on Candybar, word has it that your better watch your bill inside that place.
Cheerleaders bar has changed its name into Red bar, maybe they had better called it Wet Dog, thats how it smells inside.
It is very quiet everywhere. All massage parlors where you could get nice massages(eeuuhhh) are closed down and will remain so, nothing.ever- is going to reopen.
I think the punters got the message.
Myself so diaappionted that for the first time ever I, m thinking of leaving this country, as an expat getting laid is no problem, never even have to leave your house for it, you get many calls from girls, but., it is the general atmosphere.
I owe this country. It has been good to me. Never ever on my travels on all continents I met more kind people then here. Never ever, not even one time, have I been disturbed by Police or Military for papers or whatever, first country ever this has happened. It were peaceful years in Cambodia.
So why, why had the world of the mongers, which was so extraordinary in Cambo, to be destroyed. I believe that this country is not going to see many lone travellers in future. But then of course, this was all intentional, the mongering world had to go, and they are gone. The government of Cambodia did a great job. Now lets hope for Cambo the families with children will come and visit.
What has been destroyed in this country in the past 5/6 months is going to hurt many (business) people in their pockets, let alone the girls.
Billabong and the three french boutique hotels would be the only non girl friendly places in town.
Oh and the villa lanka is not that keen on sex tourists.
Those hotels have very high occupancy rates all year partly due to this policy.
[QUOTE=House007]
Will try to close the deal these days. Was surprised that the girls were not pushy at all ...
Would love to hear others' recent experiences ...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, your story is very similar to mine when I there about 5 months ago with most of the bars in the general area by the river. No pressure to bar fine, no hassle to drink more than I should, just a casual atmosphere to talk to who I want (but problem is over half do not speak english, but makes up for it with good attitude =some do smile alot). The only "pressure" I got was one barmaid made a very sad pouting puppy face as I left without her. I felt guilty so went back and gave her an extra dollar tip--sorry if I overtipped and ruined it for the rest of you guys-ha ha.
Shark
[QUOTE=Doppel One]Gentlemen,
Re: the "seed factor". Oh yes, a .......e – then hey, I'd be back in a flash!
Enjoy![/QUOTE]
Great Report Doppel One!, but I just need to add a few things.
I also have spent several months mongering and enjoying Cambo and in particular Sihanoukville. I rode my motorbike everywhere possible along the roads and day and night. But listen up guys!!
Night cruising in non-touristed and dimly if at all lit areas if very dangerous. Many scams and roadside ambushes are set to rob tourists and even locals.
I drove down to the area by the Port Doppel One is referring to. These are the chicks the boat workers and fisherman shag. Rare to get a tourist down here, and for good reasons. Seriously down the food chain and scale for rating a working girl.
1. The mamasans and many other pimps or persons of interest are all of Khmer Rouge decent. (yes believe it or not). These girls are not working of there own free will like the victory hill or many other girls.
2. The girls are Yama (Cambodias cheap meth) addicts (thus the electrifying performances!!!). As many of you already know, this particular drug is not one to expose yourself to at all, even vicariously. The chance to expose oneself to other drugging while there is certainly possible. Yes the breasts of girls are often doped.
3. The chance of getting a girl w/ HIV/ or aids is almost certain. (even if they are young). True of most of the girls in this biz anyways eh? But this is another level of STD possibilities.
4. The scene was so vile and intense that it even scared me off!, and I have visited the Blue Mountain Resorts!!! that have rooms filled w/ the most extreme sized cockroaches ever imagined. Let alone rats running around.
5. The chance for your moto being stolen while your banging away is great, unless you pay the Mamasan to have someone watch it.
6. The characters down there are the seediest of the seedy! (and I know, as I had a penchant in my younger days for traveling alone at night through the ghettos of the US "just for fun". But dressed as a mad man (don't ask).
Ok I know there is some kind of unexplainable charm to fucking in this environment, but be aware of what I listed. This information was passed down from many many different conversations w/ ex-patriots.
I would say Blue Mountain is much safer!, and there are many many clubs downtown and by the beach that offer pfp w/o such extreme dangers.
Cheers and wish I was there!!
HB
[QUOTE=Doppel One]
I am, shall we say, a man of the world. I've fucked hundreds of girls on five different continents, not all pay4play and in my time I've had real relationships for my sins. I've fucked cat walk models, actresses, a lot of 8s, 9s, possibly even the occasional 10. But quite often when I find myself alone and in the mood to jerk off I lie back and allow the movie I have inside my head featuring sexual encounters to roll forward. I start off thinking of all the gorgeous 8s, 9s and the 10s I've fucked over the years but invariably, in order to really turn myself on my mind drifts back to that dilapidated brothel knocking the stuffing out of the 18 stone mamasan with the other two girls licking my balls and ass as the crowd cheered. Oh yes, a bit of 'seed'. You can't beat it in my book![/QUOTE]I can definitely agree with you on that. Seems like I better make it my business to get to Cambodia.
[QUOTE=Hummer Bird]This information was passed down from many many different conversations w/ ex-patriots.[/QUOTE]These tend to be highly exaggerated. I wouldn't really rely on them. I was there quite a few times and never had a problem. Things like HIV, drugs, etc, are endemic problems that often go with prostitution.
Anyway, as a monger you need to search under every stone. I would not limit myself to just club experiences if I travel that far already, especially since you can find clubs about everywhere. It gets a little boring and superficial after a while. Chicken farms are quite specific to Cambodia and is a different experience. I would not call it better or worse, just different, and certainly way cheaper, which means you can just try out without much loss if you suspect a girl can be a good shot. Of course it can get very seedy and somewhat dangerous, but if you take reasonable precautions, should not be a problem. The attraction is not the seediness itself, but the fact that sometimes when you dig under much mud you do find pearls. Over time it can become associated with seediness but that part is not what is important.
Went back to Candy Bar twice one day and had one girl sitting with me. She was a bit older, not a 9 or 10, perhaps a 6, however as she was stroking my little fellow for all that time and was open to tongue-kissing and all that, I finally decided to take her long time. We agreed on 30 USDs until morning.
I stayed at the Paragon which is convenient but a bit of a turn-off that they close the outer gate at midnight which makes coming back late or going out after that time a bit inconvenient. Both the guard and the receptionist have to be woken up - GF hotel but not too accommodating in that sense.
Well, the time with the gal was really disappointing - no BJ, no penetration cuz the old "You too big" story which is bullock, no GFE when falling asleep and then at the wee hours of the night the "can I leave now" whining started. Finally, at 6 I had enough and let her go.
Went to some other bars another night, but many girls don't seem much interested in being barfined. They sit with you, talk, joke, a bit of fondling perhaps, but otherwise no indication of any sexual activity that might be on the menu later on.
Is this all the result of the crackdowns?
The Paragon is a fairly decent hotel and it has a great location, but I would not consider it monger-friendly, rather monger-tolerant - not even sure how long that might last as some hotels are already stating on their website that they do NOT welcome sex-tourists ...
Went to the Walkabout one early evening. Not too many people around but quite a few girls, some of them quite attractive. Lots of exchanging glances but almost no girl came over or made the first step - again very different to Thailand.
Finally briefly spoke to one who seemed to have a nice sexy body. Her English appeared to be better than average. She said she would do everything, whatever that might mean ;-) But would not quote me a price.
How do things work at the Walkabout? Are they all freelancers? What are reasonable rates? What do the girls offer - I am asking this as the one from Candy would not even give a BJ, which I consider almost minimum when going with a P4P-chick.
Are there decent and safe shorttime hotel, guesthouses nearby, one of you could recommend?
I am still so unclear on many things here and find it hard to find out the answers ...
[QUOTE=House007]Well, the time with the gal was really disappointing - no BJ, no penetration cuz the old "You too big" story which is bullock, no GFE when falling asleep and then at the wee hours of the night the "can I leave now" whining started. Finally, at 6 I had enough and let her go.[/QUOTE]Jeez, that would [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off and I would not pay her the agreed price as this is a sort of breach of (even tacit) agreement already. I would give her maybe $10 and kick her ass out. If she agrees to go with you the least she could allow is penetration. The early morning can I leave now is to be expected, though, albeit not deserving a tip unless she has been exceptional in bed.
[QUOTE=House007]How do things work at the Walkabout? Are they all freelancers? What are reasonable rates? What do the girls offer - I am asking this as the one from Candy would not even give a BJ, which I consider almost minimum when going with a P4P-chick.[/QUOTE]Yes they are all freelancers. I am not good with going rates anymore because most of the girls to be found nowadays rarely go higher than 6 so I don't bother taking them home but personally my maximum would be $30 all night unless the girl is an 8. $40 for an 8, $50 or $60 for a 9. I would gladly pay $100+ for a 10 if I would find one, which I don't. Long time ago it was easy to find 8-10 for just $5 to $10! Shows the way the place went downhill.
I think you should try Martini. My guess is that you would find the biggest choice of girls there (all freelancers), but don't expect anything higher than 7. Last time I passed by Guest House Nr 9 by the lake I saw a couple of very decent girls, but that's unusual cause not really a monger destination. For GF guest house why don't you try... the walkabout?
Went on a couple of tours withe the late, lamented scotsman.
Started on the road a long the ridge and worked our way back from the far end.
As the prices got cheaper,and the locations shittier,the boys barred up.
By the end, down on the port everyone had another one,and it was best of all!
The do "massage".
[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter]Purpletaoist The Heaven Hotel is open again.
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Correct, however the name is now Hotel Ka Reach. As I had the impression you also wanted to say the massage was open again, decided to check it out this afternoon, as I was not inside their (massage parlor 1st floor) for over a year...before I got off my motorbike the guard already came running toward me waving his arms ; no massage, no massage!!! But you can get a room to sleep starting price is 10 bucks, corner of street 148 and 19. However be advised, you get what you pay for. Crappy rooms. Beds well used in the past by the massage girls...
No massage parlor in any place that has been closed due to the sex crackdown in PP has -to my knowledge- re-opended. None.
But generally the girls in any bar are (very) hungry for your dollar. The looks they give me evening time when I pass with the bike...priceless.[/QUOTE]
Playing bar girl lotto can be disappointing, many are not hard core hos.
This is not Thailand.
Walkabou different story, ten to twenty dollars max.
Girls should be performers there.
Still get some new ones passing through at odd times seeking a few bucks, they have real jobs but no money.
i constantly read about foreigners being arrested for having sex with **** girls. and i am not talking about very young girls here. supposedly, a frenchman was arrested for having sex with a girl who had an id stating she was 20 at that time. however, she was only 16. that is scary.
so how can one be sure or isn't there just a being sure-thing.
just looking at it like this.
the girl looks older than 18.
the girl confirms that she is 18+.
she has an id stating that she is 18+
but
her id is not her id but the pic could be her.
all numbers are in khmer.
the hotel or guesthouse lets her in after checking the id.
what are the chances of setups if taking a girl from walkabout, martini or any of the bars?
went on a bar-tour with a buddy but he was too scared to bf a gal. they looked over 18 but then who knows.
one even had a passport, but when asked, the year in the passport and the one she said did not match, although i think the passport was legit.
damn confusing and damn scary. who wants to end up in a prison cell here and be black-marked for the rest of his life cuz the girl was one month shy of being 18.
looking for others' take on this ...
In today's online ed of the PP-post: (this is not the full article)
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PHNOM Penh Municipal Court on Thursday found three men guilty of purchasing child prostitution in a case involving a woman whose age has been disputed by prosecutors and defence lawyers.
The three defendants in the case – 53-year-old businessman Meas Chanthoeun, 49-year-old Ken Sen and 32-year-old Chan Pov – each received three-year sentences that were suspended to 18 months.
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Court officials spent hours debating the victim’s age, and two family books were entered as evidence. One book said that she was born in 1991, indicating that she would have been 18 at the time of the raid, whereas another said that she was born in 1995, indicating that she would have been 14.
Presiding judge Ke Sokhan said Thursday that the court had determined that the victim was younger than 18 at the time of the incident. The verdict he read out did not include any reference to compensation.
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Gosh, this is not sex with kiddies. Do girls really look like 19 when they are 14? So, she might actually have been 18+ but the court decided that she was younger. Is all this to scare potential punters away ...?
good reasons to stay away from cambodia
Most ids, in Cambodia, are off by a couple of years. Many parents change their children's ids so that they can legally work to get money for the family. Even the prime minister's id is wrong. He wanted to join the Khmer Rouge, but he was too young. As far as women go, my advice would be to go with someone who looks to be solidly in her mid-twenties. Going with someone who appears to be 18 is asking for trouble.
[QUOTE=Roguesta]Most ids, in Cambodia, are off by a couple of years. Many parents change their children's ids so that they can legally work to get money for the family. Even the prime minister's id is wrong. He wanted to join the Khmer Rouge, but he was too young. As far as women go, my advice would be to go with someone who looks to be solidly in her mid-twenties. Going with someone who appears to be 18 is asking for trouble.[/QUOTE]Good thinking and I will take it.
I was coming into Phnom Phen in a few days and was reading the reports on here and on Trip Advisor.
Several people are complaining about stolen items from their rooms including from the lock box.
It was enough for me to change my domicile for my Phnom Phen stay. I am not sure if I will get a girl friendly hotel or not but I would rather rent a short time hotel instead of risking my laptop and digital camera.
[QUOTE=NylonHoles]I was coming into Phnom Phen in a few days and was reading the reports on here and on Trip Advisor.
Several people are complaining about stolen items from their rooms including from the lock box.
It was enough for me to change my domicile for my Phnom Phen stay. I am not sure if I will get a girl friendly hotel or not but I would rather rent a short time hotel instead of risking my laptop and digital camera.[/QUOTE]
I stayed at the Flamingo towards the end of last year. Rooms have an in-room safe or at least the one I stayed in. Nothing was stolen.
A friend of mine recently stayed at the Paragon. They have safety deposit boxes downstairs at the reception. No problem.
Currently I am staying at an inexpensive guesthouse near the Russian embassy. No problems so far and I often leave my laptop out.
If you mean items stolen by overnight or short time visitors, this might be a different story. In such case I would lock my laptop or digital camera in my suitcase for that time.
Using a short time hotel for P4P activities is of course a good idea.
[QUOTE=NylonHoles]I was coming into Phnom Phen in a few days and was reading the reports on here and on Trip Advisor.
Several people are complaining about stolen items from their rooms including from the lock box.
It was enough for me to change my domicile for my Phnom Phen stay. I am not sure if I will get a girl friendly hotel or not but I would rather rent a short time hotel instead of risking my laptop and digital camera.[/QUOTE]
I stayed there in January. One day I booked a tour guide and while waiting for him in the lobby I realized that I forgot something, so I rush to my room to fetch it and hurried back downstairs.
After the tour was finished I returned to my room discovered that my in-room safety deposit box was opened and my money was lying on the bed! I counted the money and everything was there. So it turned out that in my mad dash up to my room and down I had forgotten to put away my valueables properly - that's the only logical explanation that I can arrive to.
So I would say Flamingos staff is honest.
Spaceman
Generally a hostess will not rob you but a freelancer may well.
It happened to me long ago, wasnt that bad though!
Short time hotels are everywhere and are a good option.
The girls know where they are, and the rates.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Generally a hostess will not rob you but a freelancer may well.
It happened to me long ago, wasnt that bad though!
Short time hotels are everywhere and are a good option.
The girls know where they are, and the rates.[/QUOTE]
I was quoted 5 USD by 2 diff girls on diff occasions - as I have not tried them yet, I can't speak about quality and whether these 5 bucks are for 1 hr only or a ST-period like 2 or 3 hrs.
If anyone knows any recommendable ones near 136 or 104 street or near the Walkabout or Martini, I'd be interested.
Thanks.
Entered a bar in 104 street with a buddy. Without being too sure, the bar was one of the last ones on the right when coming from the riverfront.
From the outside it all seemed very normal. As we walked in, some girls followed us and we ordered a beer each. Soon we found ourselves sitting next to a girl each who seemed to be on the young side. My friend's one snuggled up a bit and tried to make conversation, mine kept her distance. As the minutes passed, these girls appeared younger and younger. In retrospect, I would say 14 or 15 but with Asians it is often diff to tell. We started to feel very uncomfortable but it was all rather bizarre and we were not completely sure.
Then a more mature woman came over and sat next to me. I actually found her quite attractive, she might have been in her late 20ies or rather early 30ies. My buddy thought overhearing that this was the girl's mum - of course no telling whether real or just bar mum.
Anyway, we soon fled the scene. What a weird situation. I mean no way we expected any of this when entering the bar and it was not obvious either.
Has anyone experienced sth similar or were the two of us just paranoid and these gals were actually 18?
I could write a detailed report extolling how many girls licked my balls or how many times I came but I find these graphic reports both boring an not useful. I have only so much time and want the facts succinct.
So, here we go.
I have been coming to Cambodia since 1993. I have worked here for one year here and two years there. I have, in addition, come almost every year, sometimes several times.
Cambodia has turned to shit compared to the nineties.
What is worse?
Male-female ratio. It's now a seller's market. AT Martini and Sharkey you might as well take a number.
No more brothels. Hun Sen has had them closed. There is one semi-brothel near Phsar Thmei (run by a Frenchman), but it is take-out only. $30 short-time.
No more massage parlours. Ditto, closed
Old. And not just in years, I mean they have been on game for 5-8 years. Sometimes I see 'girls' I knew in 1998!
Poor service. I have girls rationing how many times I can cum in an all-nighter.
Stings. Is she really 18, or is she three days short? Geez, she doesn't have a birth certificate, so let's guess. Do you have a very big wallet?
Expensive. $35 all-night is not uncommon now. Even $40
If you are a rich Asian tourist who likes to throw his money around, drink whiskey in KTVs and tip girls just to sit with you. PNH is great. All the best girls have gone upmarket. But for the working class bloke with a few dollars in his pocket who just wants to get laid- Cambodia is finished. For expats, tourists and local men.
Cambodia had the opportunity to become the playground of Asia. But it has gone the way of India and Vietnam rather than the way of Thailand and Indonesia when it comes to P4P. Part of this I believe is political, partly cultural. And of course a lot of it economic. Cambodia relies on foreign aid.
Sorry but some bullshit here.
Girls 14 or 15 years old on st 104-crap.
Thirty or forty dollars a night-crap.
Things have never been so tight here.
No more massage places.crap.
I have been to the walkabou in the daytime the last couple of days and I have seen a couple of honeys-thats enough for me.
I do live here but I don't get out much but I wsh that I still did.
[QUOTE=Hermes Pan]So, here we go.
I have been coming to Cambodia since 1993. I have worked here for one year here and two years there. I have, in addition, come almost every year, sometimes several times.
Cambodia has turned to shit compared to the nineties.[/QUOTE]If as I suggested a few months ago, the reason for the crackdown was the potential loss of revenue to the government, then the Trafficking in Persons Report -2010 which has finally been released may provide some slack.
(see [url]http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2010/142759.htm[/url] page down to Cambodia)
This report raised Cambodia to Level 2 which is better than Thailand or Vietnam. It reports an improvement that should get more money for the government as they were scheduled to lose funds due to the poor record. What it will do to the NGOs I don't know. But i hope it takes some of the pressure off of the leader.
Certainly the last couple of years have not been good for mongers. Maybe it really started with Sophia's and went downhill from there. I have only been hanging out there the past 5 years or so, so i can't talk about the "good old days", but I have very fond memories and wish I could go back to the Spring of 2005.
RR
Truth is I don't know if it will ever get better to the point of the good old days as I've been a regular to PP and only notice it going down every single year without exception. It's now at a point where just when you don't think it'll get any worse, it has.
At this point it's probably near the bottom in terms of mongering so , I think it can only get better from here.
In fact, I'm starting to long for the days when the St 104 houses would come back in full force to steal my wallet/money--oh how I long for those days now.
Shark
Had a pretty big night out last night.
Very wet and hot and sticky-so was the weather.
Went to the usual haunts,all disappointing except HOD.
Pretty empty there but several very nice looking ladies.
However very khmer crowd including at least one dangerous looking character.
Martinis also very quiet with no real lookers.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]However very khmer crowd including at least one dangerous looking character.[/QUOTE]
One of the few clubs i did not venture to during my Sept 09 trip. Don`t believe anybody has mentioned any problems on the forum. However, i was warned about the Khmers at HOD. Has anybody ever had problems there?
[QUOTE=Noddy]One of the few clubs i did not venture to during my Sept 09 trip. Don`t believe anybody has mentioned any problems on the forum. However, i was warned about the Khmers at HOD. Has anybody ever had problems there?[/QUOTE]
HOD used to be a drug dealing place and fights used to take place between local people ending up with gun fights. Nowadays they have Security frisk everyody before entering. It is pretty safe but beware of some girls there who have local boyfriends. Not all girls there are available. Some come with their boyfriends. You will not find those in walkabout which is 50 yards away on the same street.
Having said that still plenty of girls go there to be picked up. Just use your judgement and you will be safe.
Hod is always dangerous.
Rich and powerful khmers are not frisked, so there are often weapons in there.
Not good place to get pissed.
But it had a really good selection of girls the other night.
Not all of these girls are hard core workers, many are part timers who may have a real job in the daytime.
But there are also girls there who will rob you, it happened to me.
After two am there are lots of bar girls there.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Hod is always dangerous.
Rich and powerful khmers are not frisked, so there are often weapons in there.
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Absolutely correct.
Witness it for myself on last visit. Some monger tried to pick up a chick already spoken for tagging along with some local playboy. This rich local guy had 2 friends (or I believe they were his bodyguards) and they both whipped out guns to intimidate the monger. Well, long story short, the monger ran away out the door faster than roadrunner.
Shark
The recent reports suggest the PP is lost its night life? I have not been and continue to plan on a trip be there about 10 days. Most of my time in the past has been in Phil and Thailand. All the locations are changing and I am thinking that fun can still be had. I do some club activitiy and street and yes it is understood rates are no longer $10-20.
If it is true that the rates are no longer 10-20, then screw flying all the way over there. I can get full service 30+ min for 40.00 here in the states. The easy access, home sweet home, and no fucking criminals (including cops) to deal with. Sure I have to be careful, but if the rates have REALLY changed then adios PP.
HB
[QUOTE=Hummer Bird]If it is true that the rates are no longer 10-20, then screw flying all the way over there. I can get full service 30+ min for 40.00 here in the states. The easy access, home sweet home, and no fucking criminals (including cops) to deal with. Sure I have to be careful, but if the rates have REALLY changed then adios PP.
HB[/QUOTE]
Flying to PP or Cambo in general 4 sex - I could not see why unless time and money are no issue. If you come to see Cambo and hope 4 a bit of action on the side, that is a different reason.
4 sex only I would still prefer Thailand or perhaps the PI, but Cambo - certainly not.
Good.
The more that stay away the better it is for us.
My mate has been turning up some gems lately.
He went to the sky lounge in rue pasteur, south of st 154.
Only five girls but one was begging him to take her and offering anal.
That can't be bad.
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]....
He went to the sky lounge in rue pasteur, south of st 154...
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Can you pls be a little more specific?
Is that the name of the place?
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Good.
Only five girls but one was begging him to take her and offering anal.
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Offering doesn't necessarily mean doing ;-)
And what - he turned her down, or ???
Girls begging to be taken is not the problem - the problem is whether one will have a fairly good time.
I am also sure that all this is different if you live here longtime and have time to develop contacts, but for holidays ... :-(
This is all heresay bit it sounds good to me.
I think it was initially the Green Hotel. That's the one right next to Walkabout. It is now called the Blue Tongue. The California design lobby looks good. Flamingos' internet stopped working, so I went searching for wifi and discovered Blue Tongue.
I haven't seen the rooms yet, but wifi is solid.
Spaceman
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Martinis also very quiet with no real lookers.[/QUOTE]So this is how the world , the PP part of it anyway , ends.
I went to Sharky's searching for that one lady that I did not make connection on my last trip - waited 'til 10pm, she wasn't there. Btw, the place wasn't packed when I got there, but it got better after.
I then went to HOD. This must be low season, 'cause the place was half empty (or half full). My favorite lady bartender has been replaced - darn! I got some winks and a chubby chic tried to pick me up - no thanks. All-in-all nothing to write home about.
By midnight, I was really tired and retreated to Walkabout. Nothing caught my attention there either (which was expected), but then a young thing walked by. She was okay when compared to the rest of the talents. I made a proposal and was countered $25 for ST. No thanks. Went back to hotel and had a great sleep.
Today I will have an afternoon nap for sure. Need to stay up past midnight to get good pussy.
Spaceman
$25 ST?? - she was dreaming or on yaba
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]a young thing walked by. She was okay when compared to the rest of the talents. I made a proposal and was countered $25 for ST. No thanks.[/QUOTE]Now when your time is done you can say, "I'm glad I saved that $25 on the hot young girl that one night in PP"
What is that a tank of gas in the US, or not even?
[QUOTE=Dinghy]$25 ST?? - she was dreaming or on yaba[/QUOTE]
I would have counter offered normally, but was just too tired to negotiate.
Went to the genocide meseum to give my regards in the morning. Did some reading during the day. Went to the Central Market but got lost because part of it is under construction. Eventually found my favourite roadside cafe and had a steaming cup of espresso - I do not agree with the ice in PP. Went to my favourite dim sum place for lunch. Finished my day at the Walkabout. Played pool with one of the girls and got royally beaten up. Walked back to Flamingos for a $15 ST.
Had a nap and woke up at 10pm. Went to Sharky for supper. Darn! Ran into that chubby chick again! Yes, I'll meet you at the HOD later on... (next life may be). There were a couple of nice looking faces with appropriate bodies, but they were all taken.
Went to Rose bar. My main squeeze was already with someone, so I took her friend Anna instead. I did look around but failed to spot anyone interesting. The kitchener was already closed, so we went to Candy bar for food. I kept buying her drinks and got her half drunk. We retired to the hotel and slept through the night. She left at 7am. I gave her $30.
Spaceman
After reading many posts here, it seems to me nowadays in Phnom Penh, it's common/fair to pay 15$~20$ for ST (1~2 hours) and 25~30$ for a night. Is this correct?
Tunang0102,
After reading many posts here, it seems to me nowadays in Phnom Penh, it's common/fair to pay 15$~20$ for ST (1~2 hours) and 25~30$ for a night. Is this correct?
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Correct.
Certainly if you are not living here. Cheap is finished.
well mealticket - you have obviously fallen into the "cvompared to prices atr home..." line of BULLSHIITE. Prices may have gone up 50% at MOST so that brings the ST to about 15 to 18 and LT to maybe 22 or so. I frankly don't CARE how much a bit of mutual sloppy body friction compares in price against a tank of benzin. What does it cost in general in CAMBODIA?? Value for cost...
[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter]Certainly if you are not living here. Cheap is finished.[/QUOTE]See, I knew it!
As a semi permanent Cambo resident, I have to agree the place has gone downhill. I don't think it's awful, but it doesn't stand out much anymore, at least not in SE Asia. It seems to have happened across the board, at least as far as the Western oriented clubs are concerned. The smaller bars in 136 st, Candybar, 104 st, Martini's... And the cause is largely the anti-hetero-sex politics that are being implemented by chief of morals HS, which means drunken agressive cops scaring the girls and all sorts of other nastiness. In short life as a hooker has become a lot tougher, and when it's tough in Cambodia, it's tough. And this makes the more attractive girls do other things. The girls seem markedly more scared than before, and probably with good reason.
Compared to a couple of years ago there seems to be very little fresh talent, the new attractive young girls are so rare they're usually arrogant and don't like to give it away. The best new girls mainly seem to be there as cockteasers, you really need to work and be a local or have some other edge to get laid with them. In fact the best available girls now seem to be the ones that are left from the cream of the crop a couple of years ago. I had some nice experiences at Domino's recently though, but maybe it was just my good luck.
You know it's bad when the girls you used to screw a lot brush you off. And that happened to Leena at Martini's, whose tight snatch I used to slam all the time before. She used to complain my cock was too big for her some times, but still she'd fuck me and lie there writhing, clutching the sheets, moaning, eyes rolling in sweet pain (or whatever it feels like...). Now she doesn't even want me anymore. The girls seem more scared of each other too. I found a very nice fresh looker at Martini's, but since an average girl had leeched onto me, that was all the excuse she needed, I was taken, so she didn't want to get involved in anything. It's very hard for me to screw more than one attractive girl at once at each place now, even the girls higher up in the girly-hierarchy seem to need excuses when they want me from an average lower ranked female I just talk to (pretending to know me already so they're not cutting in line, mainly). My current main viet skank at Martini's even told me not to go there anymore. I told her to fuck off ofcourse, but just the fact that she had the nerve says a lot about the scene.
I'd still recommend Phnom Penh for visa runs from Thailand or a stop if you're in SEA though, it's not that horrible. You just need to be prepared to give more effort, and you'll be lucky to get the same quality as a few years back.
This has been for sure my last mongering trip to PP!
NewYork Hotel is getting a dump.
Walkabout a real crappy place with some drug junkies trying desperately to sell their pussy to anybody entering the place.
The roads are dirty and smelly, the traffic dangerous and crazy, pollution at high level.
Nothing else to do in the city during the daytime.
Some lookers (non everynight) could be found at the Sharky's Bar, but you must be lucky to come in when they are not already taken. The remaining pussy crowd around in the bar is not so interesting. Good food anyway!.
Martini's is gone forever: boring and dead most of the nights in the week.
About the ladies attitudes: mostly short times for 20$. Can negotiate down to 15$ if you want to loose 5 min of your holiday time dealing with a hooker for a price of a burger!. What a crap!.
Definitely: Phnom Penh Bye Bye FOREVER!
I must admit that mongering in Thailand is much more open, accepted and professional. I only go to PP for the great prices, and I'm not picky.
I spent my week of vacation doing some light reading during the day. Coffee & juice at Cafe Fresco for $5. Lunch at the Metro for $10-15. Or sometime lunch at my favorite Chinese dim sum place for $5. These prices are impossible in Bangkok, or anywhere else in the world I might add.
Then I would go to Walkabout and play pool with the bar girls. I'm not a pool player, but it's a nice way to break the ice. May be a quickie before dinner if I'm interested. Then nap for a few hours. Wake up at 9 or 10pm and check out Sharky, Martini, HOD and bring someone back to the hotel. And repeat the next day - it was almost heaven.
I think I spend less than $100/day including hotel! So affordable.
One night at HOD... it was World Cup final. I found this Boyonce lookalike. We left HOD and went to the Riverhouse bar. They had a nice dance floor as well as a large screen tv. We danced 'til late and then back to the hotel for great sex - her period came the next morning, lucky me. I didn't negotiate price and she asked for $40 the next day and I gave her. No problem. Still a bargain... some what.
Spaceman
I will be in PP in a few weeks and was wondering if there are any massage parlors left in PP these days?
I would love to get a massage with a great happy ending.
Hello,
Someone pm'ed me regarding this new practice, so I think I'll try to answer it publicly. Yes, it did happen to me once while bringing someone to my room late at night, but not every time. I'm not sure what the rule is, but it may have to do with proofing the age of your lady friend - if her body size is petite. I have never been asked when bringing someone in during the day. Sorry I can't be too much help. I should have asked the frontdesk, but it didn't really bother me that much.
Spaceman.
This is what Flamingo took as girls ID in 2008
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]I must admit that mongering in Thailand is much more open, accepted and professional. I only go to PP for the great prices, and I'm not picky.
I spent my week of vacation doing some light reading during the day. Coffee & juice at Cafe Fresco for $5. Lunch at the Metro for $10-15. Or sometime lunch at my favorite Chinese dim sum place for $5. These prices are impossible in Bangkok, or anywhere else in the world I might add.
Then I would go to Walkabout and play pool with the bar girls. I'm not a pool player, but it's a nice way to break the ice. May be a quickie before dinner if I'm interested. Then nap for a few hours. Wake up at 9 or 10pm and check out Sharky, Martini, HOD and bring someone back to the hotel. And repeat the next day. It was almost heaven.
I think I spend less than $100/day including hotel! So affordable.
One night at HOD. It was World Cup final. I found this Boyonce lookalike. We left HOD and went to the Riverhouse bar. They had a nice dance floor as well as a large screen tv. We danced 'til late and then back to the hotel for great sex. Her period came the next morning, lucky me. I didn't negotiate price and she asked for $40 the next day and I gave her. No problem. Still a bargain. Some what.
Spaceman[/QUOTE]To All lost in space,
Yes everything is cheap in PP than Thailand but if you add the air ticket and high ariport dep tax to get here and visa cost is not much cheaper than Pattaya, plus there are not much to do during the day I cannot stay in this place more than 3 days.
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=Pinche Gringo]I will be in PP in a few weeks and was wondering if there are any massage parlors left in PP these days?
I would love to get a massage with a great happy ending.[/QUOTE]
On Sunday afternoon, I noticed that there were several massage parlours only about 20 meters north of the Almond Hotel, Sothearos Blvd. I stopped at Rathyma Massage, which was approximately in the middle of the cluster of MPs. Upon entering, a nice young man gave me a "menu" of services, and a 2 hour oil massage was only $12. The masseuse, forget her name, was quite good at legitimate massage. She was 21 years old and near the end of the 2 hour session offered a HJ for $20. I countered with $10 and she accepted. Good service and I recommend the place, which was clean and pleasant.
Bule2004
Thanks Bule.
I will give the place a try when I am there in 2 weeks.
[QUOTE=D Cups]Hello Fellow Cambo-Mongers,
Is there a reasonably priced (~$30USD) hotel and good bars near the Happy Pizza Place? Where IS the Happy Pizza place? I think a happy pizza would go good with some sexy happy Cambo snatch, yes? :)[/QUOTE]
Concerning Happy Pizza: I was there last night. Great place, good food and reasonable prices. An extra Happy Pizza goes extremely well with snatch, medium rare :) It is located on RIVERSIDE, next to Cantina Restaurant, which is also nice (but no happy).
Bule 2004
Bule,
The massage parlor you recommended works great for me as my hotel for the time I am in Phnom Penh is right in the same area (Royal Inn). I will make sure I go. If you can remember your girls name, please let me know as maybe not all the girls offer as good as service as you got.
[QUOTE=Bule2004]On Sunday afternoon, I noticed that there were several massage parlours only about 20 meters north of the Almond Hotel, Sothearos Blvd. I stopped at Rathyma Massage, which was approximately in the middle of the cluster of MPs. Upon entering, a nice young man gave me a "menu" of services, and a 2 hour oil massage was only $12. The masseuse, forget her name, was quite good at legitimate massage. She was 21 years old and near the end of the 2 hour session offered a HJ for $20. I countered with $10 and she accepted. Good service and I recommend the place, which was clean and pleasant.
Bule2004[/QUOTE]10 for a HJ when you can still get laid for 5?
[QUOTE=Vmann]10 for a HJ when you can still get laid for 5?[/QUOTE]
Although I do think $10 is a bit on the high side for a simple HJ, it all depends on what she looks like and service rendered (like unlimited groping).
The standard action in PP on last visit is not the same as years ago. The $5 FS available were no stunners, many were out of shape or simple out of date.
PM me if you stumble on any good locations in PP.
Shark
[QUOTE=Sharka]Although I do think $10 is a bit on the high side for a simple HJ, it all depends on what she looks like and service rendered (like unlimited groping).
The standard action in PP on last visit is not the same as years ago. The $5 FS available were no stunners, many were out of shape or simple out of date.
PM me if you stumble on any good locations in PP.
Shark[/QUOTE]
In my own defense, I initially offered only $5 and held my ground until I caved-in for $10! She was cute and it was early afternoon, and I felt $22 for a two hour oil massage with happy ending was reasonable.
I have never gotten FS for $5, but I have only been here a couple of months.
Bule 2004
[QUOTE=Bule2004]In my own defense, I initially offered only $5 and held my ground until I caved-in for $10! She was cute and it was early afternoon, and I felt $22 for a two hour oil massage with happy ending was reasonable.
I have never gotten FS for $5, but I have only been here a couple of months.
Bule 2004[/QUOTE]$5 FS is still available in PP but not as many options as years before. If you are in PP for couple months then it surprise me you didn't find a few places already.
D Cups. I do not know where Happy Pizza is as I not not partake of the ganga. Even in my eats.
Here is the website for the Royal Inn [url]http://www.Royal-inn.net/index.php[/url]
I have a friend in PP who was able to get me a room for $26 a night. Regular it is $32 a night. I have never stayed there before, picked it because of the in room wifi. I have stayed at the Princess Hotel perviously. Okay rooms, but no internet in the rooms.
[QUOTE=D Cups]Hello Fellow Cambo-Mongers,
Is there a reasonably priced (~$30USD) hotel and good bars near the Happy Pizza Place? Where IS the Happy Pizza place? I think a happy pizza would go good with some sexy happy Cambo snatch, yes? :)[/QUOTE]
Happy Herb Pizza was the original "happy pizza" joint. After it became successful, numerous competitors opened up. There are several around the original.
Happy Herb Pizza (and its competitors) is near FCC. Tell your driver to go to FCC (most transport people will know where it is if you can pronounce it with the Khmer accent, or google phnom penh FCC). Then just cross the street, go north along the riverside, and you can't miss it.
Note that the ganja in Cambodia is horrible compared to the California standards. They even use the worst stuff on the pizza. At the Happy Herb Pizza, they will ask you "happy?" after you order. At other places, they might not ask. You have to tell them make it happy when you order.
As you walk around that area, there will be a lot of decent hotels for $30 or less. Also many nicer ones for more than $30.
What type of bars are you talking about. The FCC is one of the best if you want to hang around upscale tourists with expensive $3 beers with a fantastic view.
If you go north along the riverside for a few kilometers, you will have the 2 or 3 streets with hostess bars (104 St? 136 St?) that are perpendicular to the riverside.
All the bars in Phnom Penh is all close together. A few/several kilometers. A tuk-tuk will cost between $1 - $2 (if you negotiate and prepare to walk away) or between $3 - $5 (if you get gouged). At the riverside, it will be hard but not impossible to get it for $1.50; easy to get the tuk-tuk for $2.
[QUOTE=GreenBud]Happy Herb Pizza was the original "happy pizza" joint. After it became successful, numerous competitors opened up. There are several around the original.
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Note that the ganja in Cambodia is horrible compared to the California standards. They even use the worst stuff on the pizza. [/QUOTE]
Well, I haven't been to California in a few years, but the Happy stuff here sure beats the alternative: nothing!
Bule2004
[QUOTE=Freezone]$5 FS is still available in PP.[/QUOTE]Extremely freaky to think about what $5 will get you.
All yours.
It's not paying I like; it's overpaying.
[QUOTE=GreenBud]Happy Herb Pizza was the original "happy pizza" joint. After it became successful, numerous competitors opened up. There are several around the original.
snip..
Note that the ganja in Cambodia is horrible compared to the California standards. They even use the worst stuff on the pizza. At the Happy Herb Pizza, they will ask you "happy?" after you order. At other places, they might not ask. You have to tell them make it happy when you order.
As you walk around that area, there will be a lot of decent hotels for $30 or less. Also many nicer ones for more than $30.
SNIP... [/QUOTE]
the guys from the one in Snooky were growing their own - supplied stuff was 1 step short of worthless. they were using fresh INDIAN seed. you can get "extra happy" for for $1 more even in PP but I haven't ordered one lately
Anyone up for a night out in PP? I will be landing in PP Wednesday night late so I was wondering if anyone would like to meet up to go to The Shangai Club Thursday night, 29 July? If so, PM me.
I'll be in Phnom Penh July 31st any one want to hang out together let me know pm please. I will be traveling alone and it sucks hangin with yourself.
[QUOTE=Pinche Gringo]Anyone up for a night out in PP? I will be landing in PP Wednesday night late so I was wondering if anyone would like to meet up to go to The Shangai Club Thursday night, 29 July? If so, PM me.[/QUOTE]Is this the club at the corner of Streets 51 & 17? What time did you want to meet? My buddy and I may be able to make it if it is after 9 pm.
Bule2004
21, St.51 Center street 172
It's at 51 and 172. Basically, the odd numbered streets go from north to south and the even ones from east to west.
I was just told the Shangia club is closed down?
[QUOTE=Roguesta]It's at 51 and 172. Basically, the odd numbered streets go from north to south and the even ones from east to west.[/QUOTE]
Eureka, I finally understand the system! Thanks.
Bule2004
My driver told me most of the massage parlors around town are closed. He said some are starting to open up.
Fishbowl at Paris Hotel is closed. He said it might open up next month.
Salomon (Old Mikado): Closed.
Le Crycee: Open, but might be hard for most people to use upstair room. Need to go to ST guesthouse next to the old Salomon. Girls wear pants; no access-can't fondle. Owner told the girls: no photos. I guess too many on the internet. It seems he's trying to keep it "low-keyed". Yup, the good old days are no more (Remember the cheap prices, no underwear and all the girls said yes to photos)
Walk-About, Sharkey's, Martinis, Hostess St 136, Hostess St 104: Same old.
Heart of Darkness: Added 2nd floor. I like the new lay-out.
[QUOTE=GreenBud]It seems he's trying to keep it "low-keyed".[/QUOTE]Yes, he's always done a pretty good job at keeping it low-keyed, which is one reason it's lasted as long as it has. The problem there these days as far as I'm concerned isn't to do with panties or photos, it's the decline in the quality of the girls. Not that long ago you could find some real lookers there and some real performers. But I don't think I've come across either there for a couple years now.
There was a piece on BBC last night about sex tourism in Brazil and that it is quickly overtaking Asia/Thailand as the next sex tourist destination... largely because of the recent cleanup of the sex industry in Asia. I think we all agree to that. Sigh!
Anyway I'll be making a short trip to SEA in September, but because of the limited duration I won't be stopping in PP. Please say hello to Molly at Rose Bar for me.
Spaceman
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]There was a piece on BBC last night about sex tourism in Brazil and that it is quickly overtaking Asia/Thailand as the next sex tourist destination...[/QUOTE]
Definitly not, as most mongers left Brazil towards Thailand/Philippines cos of the costs.
Brazil is expensive as western Europe (food, accomodation, nightlife, mongering) and it will never be the sex destination of the future. The nightlife is much smaller as it used to be and the costs are extrem high.
the bbc report seemed to be another ngo "give us donations" "expose" on child prostitution and **** sex tourists, not a report on traditional tourist mongers. centered on an interview with a 13 year old crack addict whose mother pimps her and her sister.
I will be revisiting Penh for a change of scenery from LOS in the not too distant future. I think I may also check out Kampot and Kep for a few days while I am in country.
Question: I know there are bus service as well as private drivers to take me there, but I like to do my own thing. And in this case, that means renting a car and driving there with a Khmer cutie of my choosing.
1. Are there reliable car rental agencies in Penh? I have not heard of any.
2. What do you guys think about my idea of driving to Kampot on my own?
I am a pretty experienced 3rd world driver, having driven all over Ecuador, Bolivia, Peru, Thailand and parts of Northern India.
[QUOTE=Bigcebu]Definitly not, as most mongers left Brazil towards Thailand/Philippines cos of the costs.
Brazil is expensive as western Europe (food, accomodation, nightlife, mongering) and it will never be the sex destination of the future. The nightlife is much smaller as it used to be and the costs are extrem high.[/QUOTE]
Cambodia over Brazil for me. Somewhat surprising how small the mongering scene in Rio was. Ok, i was only there two weeks. Phnom Pehn was much more fun Sept 09. Have to agree with Bigcebu, Brazil very expensive for mediocre services.
Cambo is a pittance.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]I will be revisiting Penh for a change of scenery from LOS in the not too distant future. I think I may also check out Kampot and Kep for a few days while I am in country.
Question: I know there are bus service as well as private drivers to take me there, but I like to do my own thing. And in this case, that means renting a car and driving there with a Khmer cutie of my choosing.
1. Are there reliable car rental agencies in Penh? I have not heard of any.
2. What do you guys think about my idea of driving to Kampot on my own?
I am a pretty experienced 3rd world driver, having driven all over Ecuador, Bolivia, Peru, Thailand and parts of Northern India.[/QUOTE]
I have not heard of any car rental places. Check the yellow pages there may be some. Otherwise hire a bike like just about everyone else.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]1. Are there reliable car rental agencies in Penh? I have not heard of any.[/QUOTE]Probably close to a dozen now. I can't vouch for them personally but Sada is well known.
The drive to Kampot is easy, once you're out of the PP mess. If you do get there be sure to take a side trip to Kep.
[QUOTE=Betong]Probably close to a dozen now. I can't vouch for them personally but Sada is well known. [/QUOTE]
Thanks Betong for the info. I was Googleing and Binging PP car rental companies to no avail. But, once you pointed me in the right direction, I was able to come up with a list of 5 car rental companies in PP including Sada. I find the value of belonging to this forum to be well worth the price of membership.
[QUOTE=Betong]The drive to Kampot is easy, once you're out of the PP mess. If you do get there be sure to take a side trip to Kep.[/QUOTE]
Yep, I figured getting out of PP would be the tricky part. I will map my exit route carefully and just drive nice and slow until I get out of the city. Thanks again, NB.
P.S. Is there any action in Kampot or Kep? It's probably best to bring your own, but I can't help wondering.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]P.S. Is there any action in Kampot or Kep?[/QUOTE]Nothing in Kep at all, a couple small massage places in Kampot. I've never tried them as they looked pretty dodgy and Sihanoukville is just down the coast . . . .
[QUOTE=Redlord59]This has been for sure my last mongering trip to PP!
NewYork Hotel is getting a dump.[/QUOTE]Agreed. This use to be quite a decent hotel a few years back.
How's the scene these days in PP.
Luxury hotel etc back in business yet?
Hi,
I am looking for "chicken farm" in PP where I can go at daytime! I like to visit a place with girls at day time where I can go for a quick fun.
Thanks
Hi guys.
11th august i'll hace my first monger trip in Phnom Penh for 5 days.
I ready many thinks about Phnom Penh's nightlife, I hope to have a lot fun there.
I'll with stay in a Flamingos Hotel.
[url]http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/index.php[/url]
Pretty active forum, lots of useful info from residents living there.
[QUOTE=Spijker Broek]Hi,
I am looking for "chicken farm" in PP where I can go at daytime! I like to visit a place with girls at day time where I can go for a quick fun.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
if you are referring to farms like in Snooky or elsewhere in Cambo then PP is not the place for this anymore, as govt have mostly closed them down during the last few years. There was one location I visited about 2 years ago east of PP, on the other side of the Japanese bridge, sorry as I dont have the location as I was traveling with Phantomtiger. Perhaps he can tell you if he remember where it is, if its still around that is.
I am in Cambodia now. KM 11 is still VERY active! Try any of the Karaoke places. The girls are beautiful. $15 for the room, $20-$30 for the girl.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]I have not heard of any car rental places. Check the yellow pages there may be some. Otherwise hire a bike like just about everyone else.[/QUOTE]There are cars for rent but.
One must have a Cambodian licence, $38 for insurance purposes.
And driving here is very difficult.
First car that I bought it took me 24 hours to pluck up the courage to drive it.
And I am very experienced, I drove for over two years in Bangkok in the late seventies.
Hire a car with a driver, sit in the back with your squeeze-cheaper and easier.
[QUOTE=Pinche Gringo]I am in Cambodia now. KM 11 is still VERY active! Try any of the Karaoke places. The girls are beautiful. $15 for the room, $20-$30 for the girl.[/QUOTE]How the heck did you get there? I was in Cambo in November and all the motos and taxi drivers refused my $$$ to go there. Karaoke places in KM11??? I read that the only thing that is there is a big fricking church. So please let us enquiring minds know the latest scoop. I'll be back in November so if it is really active again, I will check it out. Cheers!!!
[QUOTE=Phil Istine]There are cars for rent but...
One must have a Cambodian licence, $38 for insurance purposes.
Hire a car with a driver, sit in the back with your squeeze-cheaper and easier.[/QUOTE]
Wow, thanks for the heads up. I thought an international driver’s license would suffice. How much of a hassle is it to get a Cambodian license?
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]Wow, thanks for the heads up. I thought an international driver’s license would suffice. How much of a hassle is it to get a Cambodian license?[/QUOTE]
Just go to lucky lucky moto with 4 or 5 passport photos a copy of or your drivers license from your home country and your money and you will have a license in just 5 short weeks.
The shitty receipt they give you may pass if you get stopped while waiting for the official license but I doubt it, but at least you may be able to negotiate a lower fine for whatever.
Much harder to avoid being pulled over in a car than on a bike.
I go to a driving school on sothearos, just south of st 240.
You may need a few photos, a copy of your passport cover page and visa, your original overseas licence and maybe a copy and $38.
The receipt that is issues immediately is as good as a licence.
The plastic card arrives weeks later.
Apl. I have a Cambodian driver so we go everywhere, including mongering. He is a great guide!
Anybody know if this hotel is GF?
For fucks sake,get real you morons.
ALL HOTELS IN CAMBODIA ARE GF.
Do you guys understand or fucking NOT?
[QUOTE=Dronil]Anybody know if this hotel is GF?[/QUOTE]
Absolutely! Been here for several months and have seen everything. The only dicey part is breakfast; there are so many legit couples that I just eat by myself, and bring some food for my chick from the buffet to the room.
Bule2004
[QUOTE=GreenBud]
Walk-About, Sharkey's, Martinis, Hostess St 136, Hostess St 104: Same old.
Heart of Darkness: Added 2nd floor. I like the new lay-out.[/QUOTE]
Does anyone know what the going rates are (roughly) in hostess streets 104 and 136?
[QUOTE=Gladiator]Does anyone know what the going rates are (roughly) in hostess streets 104 and 136?[/QUOTE]As usual, YMMV, but recently (16 Aug) 2 friends took out girls (separately) and paid $10 bar fine and $30 to the girls. The girls came out of Rose bar. From what I was told, the girls were asking $50. My girl didn't even want to go, something about the "I don't know you very well". Umm ok, sucks to be me.
I heard that 136 was about $5 cheaper. But not sure.
Hope that helps.
[QUOTE=Localboy]As usual, YMMV, but recently (16 Aug) 2 friends took out girls (separately) and paid $10 bar fine and $30 to the girls. The girls came out of Rose bar. From what I was told, the girls were asking $50. My girl didn't even want to go, something about the "I don't know you very well". Umm ok, sucks to be me.
I heard that 136 was about $5 cheaper. But not sure.
Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, it does help, was that 30 usd for ST or LT?
[QUOTE=Gladiator]Does anyone know what the going rates are (roughly) in hostess streets 104 and 136?[/QUOTE]
Street 104 is $5, with Street 136 asking for $10 being will quickly drop to $5 if asked "Why so much?"
Business stinks now, and the "established" price structure is taking a hit. Ask for lower prices!
Bule2004
[QUOTE=GreenBud]Walk-About, Sharkey's, Martinis, Hostess St 136, Hostess St 104: Same old.
[/QUOTE]
Actually Martini is different from before.
In the last few years, the talent at Martinis IMHO was kind of marginal. Of course there were a few young good looking exceptions.
I was there a few weeks ago. It seems that the overall talent went up. Several decent looking ones.
I'm guessing that the crack down benefited Martinis. A lot of the places closed, so those girls have to go work somewhere.
No change in Sharkey's. Still skanky.
Thanks, guys, for the info.
I was in Le Cyrcee recently and they were asking for $5 BF plus $20 for the girl for ST, but they also told me that if I wanted to BF a girl it was also compulsory to buy them a lady drink ($3) before leaving, which I found kind of strange - I am not sure whether that compulsory lady drink is really a rule of the bar or just one more ad hoc trick to get a few extra bucks from you.
[QUOTE=Gladiator]Thanks, it does help, was that 30 usd for ST or LT?[/QUOTE]
I had taken two girls from 104 Bar. The barfine was $7. No demand nor did I buy a LD. The moment I entered alone one girl got very clingy and constanstly hugging and letting my hands wander all over. After couple of drinks I asked her if she wanted to go with me. She said yes. Did not ask how much was the barfine, just gave her a $10 bill. She came back with $3 change. Back in the room she was good . The deal was for LT and I had clearly told her. Afterwards she feined stomach ache and wanted to leave. I really felt bad for her and let her go. Next night I went to the same bar and she got clingy again. By this time I had wised up. I asked one of the other girls who spoke very good english to fix me up with a nice girl for LT. She brought this young cute girl who was nice. She wanted $40 for LT for which I agreed. I gave the other girl a tip of $5. The arfine was $7.
Back in the room with broken english this girl said she has been working only for a week and had not gone out with anybody. Ofcourse she claimed her family is very poor etc. She said she did not make much money working there. The reason is she said there are rooms upstairs or in the back for ST. All the other girls do ST and make money. She said she was afraid and did not want to do it. I guess by now if she is still working there she has learned ways of making money.
Anyway she was very accomodating although not experienced. A sweet girl.
We did it three times. In the morning I took her to breakfast and gave her $40 and $10 tip.
I wanted to see her again but I was leaving Phnom Penh.
I guess the advice for mongers is try to talk to one of the hostesses and ask her to recommend a girl for LT. It is just like being friendly with the mamasan in other places. The girl I was talking to also said very few people take the girls for LT.
[QUOTE=Gladiator]Thanks, it does help, was that 30 USD for ST or LT?[/QUOTE]1 guy gave his girl the boot right after the deed (he said he was tired). The other kept her till the next day around noon. She wanted to stay until her start time at the bar (5 pm) but he said he couldn't handle any more sex. So she left.
The impression they left with me was that they both could have kept their girls LT.
Good luck
[QUOTE=Gladiator]Thanks, guys, for the info.
I was in Le Cyrcee recently and they were asking for $5 BF plus $20 for the girl for ST, but they also told me that if I wanted to BF a girl it was also compulsory to buy them a lady drink ($3) before leaving, which I found kind of strange - I am not sure whether that compulsory lady drink is really a rule of the bar or just one more ad hoc trick to get a few extra bucks from you.[/QUOTE]
That's standard now. That's how he increased his revenue without having to increase his barfine.
[QUOTE=GreenBud]That's standard now. That's how he increased his revenue without having to increase his barfine.[/QUOTE]
Just another pointless way of getting some more bucks.
In this particular instance I was talking to one lady, with a couple of unwanted observers around, you know how it is… So I finished my drink and I decided to BF her, ask for the bill and they bring the bill $3 higher than expected, and place one drink on the bar, I tell them i am leaving now and I didn’t request any LD but they insist that a LD is compulsory when bar-fining.
What a waste of time for everyone, just raise the fucking BF from $5 to $8 if you are that desperate!
Hi Fellas,
A couple of nights ago I went with a chick to Voo Doo Bar on Street 108. I really fell in love with a 23 year old named Iyah but I could not bf her because I had a promise with my friend.
Last night, I went to Voo Doo Bar, played with the cute 23 year old (she looks 18 and is very petite) but again I could not bf her because I had yet another promise with my friend (who keeps me drained, and is not jealous).
I then went to the adjoining bar, Golden Vine or something, and it was super great as well. Several girls here I would bf.
I plan to go back ALONE to Voo Doo and Vine, but my chick has given me permission to bf Iyah so I do not have to play behind her back. Only in America!
I will report my dirty deed. I did a RTFF on Voo Doo but did not get any hits. Anyone care to she your experience at what looks to be an exceptionally fun bar?
Bule2004
[QUOTE=Gladiator]I was in Le Cyrcee recently and they were asking for $5 BF plus $20 for the girl for ST, but they also told me that if I wanted to BF a girl it was also compulsory to buy them a lady drink ($3) before leaving, which I found kind of strange[/QUOTE]Well at LCC it's pretty much always been the usual practice to buy a girl a drink before you take her out. It gives you a chance to hang out with her a bit and see if she feels like the right choice. (It also has the advantage of getting rid of all the other girls bothering you.) So if it is compulsory now, it still doesn't affect most of us. Anyhow it's only a few bucks, and god only knows how much the guy has to cough up every month just to keep his place open. I complain a bit about the quality there now, but I won't complain about the price, not yet anyhow.
[QUOTE=Sammon] Anyway she was very accomodating although not experienced. A sweet girl.
We did it three times. In the morning I took her to breakfast and gave her $40 and $10 tip.
[/QUOTE]
So you paid this chick $50 for the night plus you had already paid a $7 bf.
I'm glad you had a great time but seriously $57 for a girl in Cambodia is way over the top. Its not far short of what a standard cop earns in a month.
And I know that you can afford it and she was super cute and I'm a cheap charlie but no wonder the market is becoming distorted. Phnom Penh RIP.
[QUOTE=Doppel One]Phnom Penh RIP.[/QUOTE]Except PP died 3+ years ago already.
[QUOTE=Doppel One]So you paid this chick $50 for the night plus you had already paid a $7 bf.
I'm glad you had a great time but seriously $57 for a girl in Cambodia is way over the top. Its not far short of what a standard cop earns in a month.
And I know that you can afford it and she was super cute and I'm a cheap charlie but no wonder the market is becoming distorted. Phnom Penh RIP.[/QUOTE]
Quality always cost more money. Apart from freelancer bars you have to pay more money to get a cute girl from hostess bars. Many do not even want to go like girls from Shanghai Bar. I am not into romancing those girls to get into their pants.
Actually the total cost was $62 with $5 given to the girl who introduced this girl to me. In freelancer bars including martini my offer will not go more than $30 LT and most often $25. I hardly ever take a girl ST.
[QUOTE=Doppel One]Its not far short of what a standard cop earns in a month.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but who wants to shag a cop?
[QUOTE=Betong]Yeah, but who wants to shag a cop?[/QUOTE]
Some unlucky mongers in Cambodia have no doubt found themselves in a grim situation with little alternative.
I for one will not be following up the K11 lead from a few posts back.
[QUOTE=Doppel One]So you paid this chick $50 for the night plus you had already paid a $7 bf.
I'm glad you had a great time but seriously $57 for a girl in Cambodia is way over the top. [/QUOTE]
I agree, that's roughly the same as her monthly salary at the hostess bar.
But some girls are asking for it, anyway, as there is a market for them.
There are 4 brothels with only Vietnamese hookers in (I believe) street 63, around 3 minutes by motorbike from Heart.
When I went they quoted me $25 for an in-house ST (one pop), but that obviosly included the bike driver's commission, I'd be surprised if the rate was higher than $15, but has anyone had any experience there and knows the real (commission free) going rate that you'd get if you go on your own?
I mean, you can get easily nice girls for $25 ST's at hostess bars ($20 + $5 BF), so those low end brothels must be much cheaper for sure.
[QUOTE=Gladiator]There are 4 brothels with only Vietnamese hookers in (I believe) street 63, around 3 minutes by motorbike from Heart.
[/QUOTE]
A couple of months ago when I looked the Viet brothels on St. 63 were all shut, bar one, and the guys outside were not exact inducing barangs to walk through the door. Are they all up and running again?
The going rate in these estbalishments used to be $10 or $15 ST but there were nibble fingers on the premises rummaging through your pockets whilst you were in the shower - so you had to watch out.
I just got back from one month of a Cambodian adventure. From my experiences, you really need travel with a Cambodian friend. I got into many of the places that usually are only there for Cambodians.
You got to love restaurants that as you enter there are a bevy of beautiful ladies waiting for you to take them to your table and then negotiate for more. The Karaoke places can also be fun if the moment is right.
So, if you find your self in Cambodia, find yourself someone to show you around. It will be well worth it.
[QUOTE=Doppel One]A couple of months ago when I looked the Viet brothels on St. 63 were all shut, bar one, and the guys outside were not exact inducing barangs to walk through the door. Are they all up and running again?
The going rate in these estbalishments used to be $10 or $15 ST but there were nibble fingers on the premises rummaging through your pockets whilst you were in the shower - so you had to watch out.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info. And yes, they are open now, I was there a few days ago, they had about 10-12 girls each, including a handful of cute ones.
[QUOTE=Gladiator]Thanks for the info. And yes, they are open now, I was there a few days ago, they had about 10-12 girls each, including a handful of cute ones.[/QUOTE]
I can confirm that what Gladiator is saying is true. There are at least 3 or 4 brothels on 63rd street between 184 and 178. Most are on the east side of the street, but there's at least one on the west side.
They're easy to spot. Just walk past at night and wait for the touts to jump up and rush towards you, yelling "Massage! Boom boom!"
I really dislike this approach (and male touts in general) so I never checked out these places. No idea about price or selection.
About LCC - the girls ask for $20 ST, but it isn't hard to get them agree to $15.
COME ON GUY'S
$57 for a Cambodian girl!!!! Have u ever been out of you home country?
I get full service (cim, bbbj, all positions, anal, etc...) here in USA for $40, and I get pics and video as well. My USA monger budget is $200 a month, and that gets me 5-6 chicks, or more if I just opt for a $20.00 streetwalker bj.
Phoenix if you want to know.
Nice to save that $2000.00 on just transportation that I was spending b 4 for several years in a row. Cambo was fun for a visit, but never again will I waste so much in effort and revenue. 5-6k a summer starts to add up.
Phoenix? And what kind of females do you get all the options with for only $40? Young, cute, firm, willing. And all uncovered, right?
Impossible, Brother.
You are joking obviously. And $2000. For the ticket. It is barely $1000. So. You have never even been to PP apparently.
Perhaps you are from another planet. But you aint knowed nuthin' about the riches of PP. Keep dreamin', mate.
I like HOD and have had great times there, but it looks like a death trap if a fire ever breaks out in there, doesn’t it?
I haven’t seen any fire exit, though I may have missed it if it does exist, there’re only the 2 small doors at the entrance from what I’ve seen, hardly enough to save the few poor souls closer to them if there was a fire inside.
[QUOTE=Pinche Gringo]I just got back from one month of a Cambodian adventure. From my experiences, you really need travel with a Cambodian friend. I got into many of the places that usually are only there for Cambodians.
You got to love restaurants that as you enter there are a bevy of beautiful ladies waiting for you to take them to your table and then negotiate for more. The Karaoke places can also be fun if the moment is right.
So, if you find your self in Cambodia, find yourself someone to show you around. It will be well worth it.[/QUOTE]Hi gringo,
Please tell us some of these places where you went so we can have fun too.
[QUOTE=Hummer Bird]COME ON GUY'S
$57 for a Cambodian girl!!!! Have u ever been out of you home country?
[/QUOTE]
Hello Hummer,
As my old boss used to say, "There's a sucker borned every minute."
Spaceman
[QUOTE=Melted11]Phoenix? And what kind of females do you get all the options with for only $40? Young, cute, firm, willing. And all uncovered, right?
Impossible, Brother.
You are joking obviously. And $2000. For the ticket. It is barely $1000. So. You have never even been to PP apparently.
Perhaps you are from another planet. But you aint knowed nuthin' about the riches of PP. Keep dreamin', mate.[/QUOTE]Never been to Phoenix so can't comment, although if they are nice lookers for $40, then count me in.
As for air fare: RT tickets for me from my home town to PP is running about $2500 if I book now for a trip 1-2 months away. So depending on where you are flying from PP is a very expensive option(like for me). In fact, it would be cheaper for me to fly to BKK and then book a separate ticket to PP using one of the local airlines there, but that requires more time wasted.
BTW: I was in PP last year and the place was almost dead. Not exactly the same place I read about over the years.
FZ
$40 in Phoenix might get you laid but not with a cutie.
Airfare to BKK from the USA runs about $900 or so (a bit more during the summer) BKK-PNH runs maybe $150 tops round trip plus the $25 to get out of PNH
I second the "no other doorway out of HOD apparent"
[QUOTE=Melted11]Phoenix? And what kind of females do you get all the options with for only $40? Young, cute, firm, willing. And all uncovered, right?
Impossible, Brother.
You are joking obviously. And $2000. For the ticket. It is barely $1000. So. You have never even been to PP apparently.
Perhaps you are from another planet. But you aint knowed nuthin' about the riches of PP. Keep dreamin', mate.[/QUOTE]
If you travel in High season the airfare will be around $2000 incuding trip from BKK to PNH. Low season prices will be approx $1200.
In USA it is impossible to get $40 full service in any city. Unless you are into drug crazed,filthy, disease ridden crack ho.
Realistic price for ST around $150-$200. Usually these girls are you meet in the bar or Asian massage places. Budgetwise Asian trip will work if you travel for atleast 2-3 weeks.
Any asian trip I have taken even if I budget very well will run into $4000 for a month including total expenses from airfare,hotel, food, drinks, girls etc.
[QUOTE=Dinghy]$40 in Phoenix might get you laid but not with a cutie.
Airfare to BKK from the USA runs about $900 or so (a bit more during the summer) BKK-PNH runs maybe $150 tops round trip plus the $25 to get out of PNH
I second the "no other doorway out of HOD apparent"[/QUOTE]
[url]www.airasia.com[/url]
Even zero fare (only airport taxes) if you can plan well ahead. For my next booking I paid 19 euros BKK-PNH and 4 euros to return.
[QUOTE=Gladiator]Thanks for the info. And yes, they are open now, I was there a few days ago, they had about 10-12 girls each, including a handful of cute ones.[/QUOTE]Where exactly on 63 are these places? What are their names?
[QUOTE=D Cups]This is very helpful. Thank you EG.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.cebupacificair.com/index.html[/url]
Another low cost one operating from the Philippines.
[QUOTE=Purpletaoist]Where exactly on 63 are these places? What are their names?[/QUOTE]I suppose it are the brothels on Street 63 between Street 178 and 184, left hand side when you go south. Walk in, check the girls and just leave if there is nothing that you fancy.
[QUOTE=Purpletaoist]Where exactly on 63 are these places? What are their names?[/QUOTE]No names to these places as it's really just someones home converted to a local brothel. But with all the crackdowns when I was there they were all closed and gated. Not sure if any had reopen since but if anyone venture there do report back and let the rest of us mongers know.
FZ
Just wondering what the scene is like there since I'll be stopping through soon.
[QUOTE=Freezone]No names to these places as it's really just someones home converted to a local brothel. But with all the crackdowns when I was there they were all closed and gated. Not sure if any had reopen since but if anyone venture there do report back and let the rest of us mongers know.
FZ[/QUOTE]
Team up with local Cambodian. They will be able to get you into the local places which I found to have better looking ladies and for less money.
I was 2 years ago in Koh Kong at the chicken farm you get all what you need, so maybe the good old entertaiment is outside the citys?
If it is not. So I think Pattaya will be better?
I had to stay in Phnom Penh 6 days, but the fourth day I returned in Thailand!
The city is really dirty, dark and sad. The nightlife a very limited and boring.
I was staying at Flamingos Hotel for 25$ for night with breakfast.
The European restaurant on river side are very expensive.
In the bars as Black Cats and Shanghai, the girls ask 25$st + 5$ bf
In Martini pub were to many vietnamese girls with mamasan and ask 30$ negotiable.
Walkabout and heart of darkness freelances ask 20$ st
Many girls give me a bad BBJ and FS. I think not return in Phnom Penh soonnn.
[QUOTE=Christian G]I had to stay in Phnom Penh 6 days, but the fourth day I returned in Thailand!
The city is really dirty, dark and sad. The nightlife a very limited and boring.
I was staying at Flamingos Hotel for 25$ for night with breakfast.
The European restaurant on river side are very expensive.
In the bars as Black Cats and Shanghai, the girls ask 25$st + 5$ bf
In Martini pub were to many vietnamese girls with mamasan and ask 30$ negotiable.
Walkabout and heart of darkness freelances ask 20$ st
Many girls give me a bad BBJ and FS. I think not return in Phnom Penh soonnn.[/QUOTE]To Christian
Yes PP is a dirty shit hole not much to do, the first time I was there cannot wait to go back to Bangkok after 2 days, you should go to Siem riep for a few day and visit the Ankor what temple more tourist friendly city with more thing to do.
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=Nightprawler]I was 2 years ago in Koh Kong at the chicken farm you get all what you need, so maybe the good old entertaiment is outside the citys?
If it is not. So I think Pattaya will be better?[/QUOTE]Last time I was in Koh Kong they had only a fraction of what was available not long time ago. I suspect the place is dead by now. We are speaking about a dozen very average girls compared to hundreds of thousands in Pattaya so I don't think there's even a comparison. Koh Kong only worth checking if you are on a visa run or on the Pattaya-PP bus run.
But then, I think I was there last more than two years ago, so the place changed in a positive way? I doubt it.
Beginning of August I had my First visit to Phnom Penh.
Not comparable to the BKK scene that I enjoyed the 4 weeks before but still a lot of fun can happen.
The only big negative that I found was when it was raining or just after raining, the watersystem can not cope with this havy flood.
Thanks to the help of my brothers here I visited the places like Walkabout, HOD etc.
Enclosed some pictures from my 22 years old partner on the pool table.
[QUOTE=Christian G]I had to stay in Phnom Penh 6 days, but the fourth day I returned in Thailand!
The city is really dirty, dark and sad. The nightlife a very limited and boring.Many girls give me a bad BBJ and FS. I think not return in Phnom Penh soonnn.[/QUOTE]
CG, I guess PP is not for everybody. Sorry you did not have a good time. My experience in 2009 was the exact opposite.
I found the city had more culture than Pattaya and the Khmer food was better than the Thai food in Pat. The city felt like a Bangkok type South East Asian capital city of 50 years ago. Kind of like Yangon except that after years of unbelievable hardship, PP was finally climbing out of its hole and starting to make some kind of economic progress.
Of course the number of bars and girls is a fraction of either BKK or Pat, but I found all the action I needed without any problems. I liked the PP girls. The ones I hooked up with were sweet and less pro-like than Pattaya girls. I paid on average $20 and the girls gave me as many shots as I could muster (usually 3 in a two hour session). I still fondly remember one little spinner girl I took out of Rose Bar. She was a real darling and I repeated with her twice, the first time in a ménage and the second time one on one.
I did not return in February 2010, when I was last in Asia, because of the crackdown and the less than positive reports filed here in this forum at the time. But, I am going back on my next trip and I will see what exactly is going on. I am paying up and staying at the Himawari because it is GF, near enough to the good restaurants and bars, and features a great pool by the riverside to cool off in the hot afternoons. I am looking forward to this trip even though the city still gets mixed reviews. S15 filed a positive report down below. In any case, I will report my findings good, bad or ugly. Hasta luego.
[QUOTE=Somewhere15]Thanks to the help of my brothers here I visited the places like Walkabout, HOD etc.[/QUOTE]Arrive today. Only have a couple of days in PP, then off to the PI (Manilla and Subic) for a few days and then off to Hong Kong. Want to play in each area so need advice and tips so I don't waste my time or take unnecessary risks.
So I have access to a Sharky girl's email account (2 accounts, actually). She asked me to check her email on my laptop and told me the passwords to type in and they weren't too difficult to remember ("iloveyou" and "123456").
Been reading through and it's pretty interesting stuff. It seems to be young guys as that's her taste. There's 1 main guy, 1 secondary guy, and then 2 minor guys, which isn't that bad actually. She told me she genuinely loves the main guy but that the secondary guy loves her and she doesn't love him (he's French and 22 and she only loves american or british men a little older). The main guy always tells her he's praying to God for her and makes a lot of religious references. Maybe he was hoping to convert her.
She told me she can't even read or write much english, so all this emailing is through another lady who I guess specializes in that sort of thing.
But anyways it's pretty much what you'd expect. Lots of mushing back and forth (these guys write some cheesy emails) and then occasionally a casual comment from the girl related to money and then often the guy will wire her some cash.
I'm in her target demographic so she was trying to turn me into one of these guys, but I told her I don't pay to have a girlfriend and she wasn't as into the idea.
[QUOTE=Denom]But then, I think I was there last more than two years ago, so the place changed in a positive way? I doubt it.[/QUOTE]No, still just as you describe. OK for a night if you're coming overland from Thailand, but I can't imagine anybody wanting to go there for its own sake. The wild west days of ten years ago are gone gone gone.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]I found the city had more culture than Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I like that. That's funny.
I think the only place with LESS culture than Pattaya is Mogadishu.
[QUOTE=Mealticket]I think the only place with LESS culture than Pattaya is Mogadishu.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying Pat has no culture? How dare you? In the immortal words of Bill Clinton; “I guess it depends on what your definition of [culture] is.” According to Encarta Dictionary, the 1st definition of culture is Arts Collectively consisting of A) art, music, literature, and related intellectual activities, B) the culture necessary for a healthy society, and C) popular culture.
Therefore, by definition Pat has a culture. And AC has its own strange culture too. Call it monger culture or loose sex bargirl culture. And it is definitely necessary for a healthy society and plenty popular! Phnom Penh has some of that art, historical, and intellectual stuff for sure (Pat and AC score close to zero on that scale), while PP has a little less of the hostess bar culture. I tell you what though; I prefer Pat and AC culture to Las Vegas culture any day of the week.
I have never been to Mogadishu. What do the girls charge LT? Are there a lot of stunners? LOL.
[QUOTE=Marrow]She's 20y, with australian boyfriend, heavily jelous. Seems her BF is still in Thailand XD
Still ask 50$? Free sex don't work hehe[/QUOTE]
I know this girl too, though never took her home.
Seems like a pretty nice girl.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]for a healthy society[/QUOTE]Healthy?
I thought we were talking about Pattaya?
[QUOTE=Marrow]She's 20y, with australian boyfriend, heavily jelous. Seems her BF is still in Thailand XD
Still ask 50$? Free sex don't work hehe[/QUOTE]
I have seen here days before (mostly during late afternoon times), she was playing pool. Never have seen a boyfriend. On a certain day I played pool with someone else and she came in. After a while I invited her for pool playing and I could drop the other girl.
She had one kidd who was growing up by her mother in the provence.
I don't remember if we discuss money upfront or not. Paid her US $ 40 (and she stayed for 1,5 till 2 hours).
[QUOTE=Marrow]She and her friend are the last 2 beautiful remained in walkabout. Rest is ugly for desperates.
P.S. She and other girls, except a couple, are vietnamese.
For 50$ deserve? Go directly in Vietnam, u'll find tons like her, for 20 bucks.[/QUOTE]
I bvelieve she said (as far as you trust that) that she is have Vietnamese and have Cambodian.
She was happy and enjoyed live (looking to her the days before).
I remember that she showed me an English book; in my view a way of getting more $$$$ to finance her English study....:)
[QUOTE=Somewhere15]I don't remember if we discuss money upfront or not. Paid her US $ 40 (and she stayed for 1,5 till 2 hours).[/QUOTE]God good - $ 40 - why everyone is trying to spoil the scene in Cambodia buy paying crazy amounts of money?
Seems to be high end - low price - near the action. Anyone have any experience?
The url for ROYAL INN was left in previous post.
[QUOTE=Vmann]God good. $ 40. Why everyone is trying to spoil the scene in Cambodia buy paying crazy amounts of money?[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree. $10-$15 short time $20. $30 long time. Some girls asking $50 now, I just laugh and walk. It is a buyers market, 100, s of young ladies everywhere in the country, why spoil it?
It's definitely very uncomfortable taking girls back to Cali2.
The ground floor is only a bar, no reception desk, and the entrance is at one end of the bar and the stairs to the rooms are way in the back. So basically you and your girl walk in and 10-15 people stare at you and keep staring as you walk all the way back to the stairs. So awkward.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]I am paying up and staying at the Himawari because it is GF, near enough to the good restaurants and bars, and features a great pool by the riverside to cool off in the hot afternoons. .[/QUOTE]
I am staying at the Himawari now and totally agree with your comments. A really well-managed hotel that is close to everything.
Bule2004
[QUOTE=Rooter] It is a buyers market, 100, s of young ladies everywhere in the country, why spoil it?[/QUOTE]
Are there a lot of 18-20yo slim pretty girls?
Every time I ride down sothearos in the area around the "Old Building" plenty of guys are trying to offer me "Lady Lady". Sometimes I see some dressed-up girlies too, but most of the time they are alone. Does anybody know how that works?
There is some hole in the wall not far from the corner with Street 294, but that place looks so sleazy that I do not even want to enter.
The same goes for the girls in Hun Sen Park. What do you do when you pick one of them up? Take them to a cheap hotel (which still brings the price up). Probably still preferable to whatever place they have, if they have any at all.
[QUOTE=Evianist]It's definitely very uncomfortable taking girls back to Cali2.
The ground floor is only a bar, no reception desk, and the entrance is at one end of the bar and the stairs to the rooms are way in the back. So basically you and your girl walk in and 10-15 people stare at you and keep staring as you walk all the way back to the stairs. So awkward.[/QUOTE]I have had this problem with Barang Hotels, you know you should book up Cambodian Hotels. The problem with foreign run Hotels is they tend to have the entrance at the back of the bar, so you have to go through the bar to get to your room.
[QUOTE=Purpletaoist]Every time I ride down sothearos in the area around the "Old Building" plenty of guys are trying to offer me "Lady Lady". Sometimes I see some dressed-up girlies too, but most of the time they are alone. Does anybody know how that works?
There is some hole in the wall not far from the corner with Street 294, but that place looks so sleazy that I do not even want to enter.
The same goes for the girls in Hun Sen Park. What do you do when you pick one of them up? Take them to a cheap hotel (which still brings the price up). Probably still preferable to whatever place they have, if they have any at all.[/QUOTE]Not sure of the other places, but Hun Sen Park SW are freelancers, sometimes they are with pimps and sometimes not. You pick one up and if they have a pimp, you must pay beforehand. Then take to your own hotel (cost slightly more).
FZ
[QUOTE=Marrow]She and her friend are the last 2 beautiful remained in walkabout. Rest is ugly for desperates.
P.S. She and other girls, except a couple, are vietnamese.
For 50$ deserve? Go directly in Vietnam, u'll find tons like her, for 20 bucks.[/QUOTE]Hi Marrow,
Perhaps we could direct this to the Vietnam thread as I'm curious where you found tons of lookers for $20? I was there just this year and only HJ or BJ could be had for this price for a good looker (if you were lucky)
FZ
[QUOTE=Somewhere15]I don't remember if we discuss money upfront or not. Paid her US $ 40 (and she stayed for 1,5 till 2 hours).[/QUOTE]I do agree with others that $40 for 1-2 hours is way too much for ST rate. $40 should be the high end for LT with a stunner. Just my thoughts.
FZ
[QUOTE=Freezone]Hi Marrow,
Perhaps we could direct this to the Vietnam thread as I'm curious where you found tons of lookers for $20? I was there just this year and only HJ or BJ could be had for this price for a good looker (if you were lucky)
FZ[/QUOTE]Well, not so hard, if you go to discos. There are a couple in Dist. 1 with some cuties for this price. Obiouvsly, when you find them free. Agree, we will expand this topic inside Vietnam area of the forum.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]Are there a lot of 18-20yo slim pretty girls?[/QUOTE]Ye, there are, beautiful too. Ready to spend 50-100$? LOL, such a pathetic country and people at all this Cambodia XD
Still people go here? Oh my.
Every tried to ask an awesome huge tit 18y girl in europe? 50-70$, too much too. Please, don't answer you like chocolate skin, you can find in europe too, and for 30 bucks.
[QUOTE=Freezone]I do agree with others that $40 for 1-2 hours is way too much for ST rate. $40 should be the high end for LT with a stunner. Just my thoughts.[/QUOTE]
I've paid $10/ST and $20/LT multiple times with attractive girls. $40/ST is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Evianist]I've paid $10/ST and $20/LT multiple times with attractive girls. $40/ST is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]When, 2 years ago? True is ridiculous, expecially for an expat. If u still pay 20, the reason is easy, you are a "long term customer", so why not.
That's the trick
[QUOTE=Freezone]No names to these places as it's really just someones home converted to a local brothel. But with all the crackdowns when I was there they were all closed and gated. Not sure if any had reopen since but if anyone venture there do report back and let the rest of us mongers know.
FZ[/QUOTE]I dropped by these places the other day, and I think there is nothing left really. There are some private houses with almost closed doors, but no "You want lady' or anything like that, so I think that this is over.
[QUOTE=Marrow]Ye, there are, beautiful too. Ready to spend 50-100$? LOL, such a pathetic country and people at all this Cambodia XD
Still people go here? Oh my.
Every tried to ask an awesome huge tit 18y girl in europe? 50-70$, too much too. Please, don't answer you like chocolate skin, you can find in europe too, and for 30 bucks.[/QUOTE]
So the really good looking girls have been pushed up into that price range? These are cambodian girls not imported chinese yah?
Hate to ask this kinda question here, but- anyone find a good laundromat a moderate price - hotel rob you blind.
Or have a suggestion where to stay that has their own laundryroom where I'd feed them coins?
[QUOTE=Fred Gold]Hate to ask this kinda question here, but- anyone find a good laundromat a moderate price - hotel rob you blind.
Or have a suggestion where to stay that has their own laundryroom where I'd feed them coins?[/QUOTE]
Over to you Marrow (I can't wait for the "laundromat" diatribe),
[QUOTE=Fred Gold]Hate to ask this kinda question here, but- anyone find a good laundromat a moderate price - hotel rob you blind.[/QUOTE]Depends on the hotel. I took in a pair of jeans, a shirt, and a pair of socks yesterday, and my hotel charged me an outrageous . . . one dollar.
Self-service laundromats don't really make sense in a country where people will work hard, all day, for a couple bucks. (Besides, you're going to have trouble finding coins here.) Just use any of the little laundry shops you see everywhere.
[QUOTE=Hotman 666]This was posted on Egypt, Phnom Penh and Siem Reap forums within 3 minutes yesterday!
Think the guy has his own private jet? (or maybe a time machine!)
Go figure
Hotman.[/QUOTE]Flight attendant
ok ok.. yes I have a private jet, errrrrr I mean private seat in my very own AirAsia and EgyptAir planes. IN MY DREAMS!!! It's just that I have been ripped off (or at least my feeling). Sometimes when I'd go to a local laundry to save a few bucks, they would take out the price list from some hotel and that's what they try to charge me.
btw Did you like any of the pictures I've posted? The older picture from LOS was the best provider I ever had!!!~ well at least it seemed that way from my memory. lol
since Cambodia doesn't have any coins of their own, you would need to buy the "slugs" to put into the cin slots. That means you have to find the laundromat, too, It's just easier to have it done than to do it oyursefl (particularly if you don't speak Khmer and can aske where the laundromats are. In my travels in PP, I never saw a laundromat)
I am based in Cambodia at the moment for a long-term stay. Any updates on active massages locations in PP?
If not, I was thinking that we can split up the investigation work for such between expats currently in town. We can generate a list of spots, people can volunteer to check the ones they choose out within the month, then we can report back here and have a complete updated list of massage places in the post-crackdown era.
What do you more experienced guys think of this idea?
Seght
I first went to PP 15 years ago, and of course you can't compare that with today. Sure, you can still get 10/15 ST, 20/30 LT, but good lookers? No. I haven't found one in Martini, Sharky, Walkabout for years. If I ever go to PP again, I would gladly pay 40 ST for a great looker, if there still are any. This is still reasonable compared with LOS. If you want young, nice, unspoiled, cheap today, like PP 10 years ago, go to Rangoon.
I have not posted on this board for quite awhile. Every time I read it, I get so disgusted by the stupidity being posted that I just log back out, but this time I have decided not to do so. I have been living in Phnom Penh for a awhile now. The prices some people are paying has gotten ridiculous, but what is even more ridiculous is when the people who pay these stupid prices come on this board and insist the price they paid was truly the going rate, refusing to listen to people who know better. At best they might admit that cheaper prices are possible, but then say that is only for ugly girls. Bullshit. They can't admit that their knowledge of the scene and bargaining skills sucked and they just got taken advantage of.
If I offend you, too bad. You can look at my previous posts and see that I seldom make such strong comments. I wouldn't care about what people write, but it is finally starting to have an effect and there actually are some girls in the hostess bars who are refusing to go for less than $40 now, because one or two guys paid that or more. Thankfully, they are still in the very small minority, although the number of girls who will start by asking for that amount is growing rapidly. Most will rapidly come down in price as soon as you politely (and sometimes impolitely) tell them that there is no way you will pay that much.
Guys, you have every right to pay whatever you want. I don't like it when the two week millionaires overpay, but I would never say you don't have a right to. However, at least admit you were overpaying, and don't use any excuse like "she deserved it" or "I make that much in an hour back home." This is not the west. If these girls were not working in bars, they would make less than $100 per month in a factory or restaurant. The going rate for ST (outside of the brothels where it is still $5) is $10, with a few really good looking girls getting $15 in high season. For LT, the price is $20 -$25. This is for freelancers and many hostess bar girls. In some hostess bars, the girls will insist on $20 or even $25 for ST but this is only in bars where no distinction is made between a ST barfine and LT. By going with you, the girl is forfeiting her salary for the night and sometimes paying an additional fee to the bar, whether you want her all night or for an hour. I have never paid more, and nobody has ever been pissed off, at least not when I paid the upper number of the ranges I have given, and usually not when I paid the lower. I'm not grandfathered or getting special "local" pricing, because I don't take girls all that often, I simply know what I am doing, and it does not take much. When friends come to visit, they have no problem paying the same price. Some even get better prices than what I have said, but they also get turned down a lot. However, since last high season, there have been a few hotties who have been paid $40 or $50 by enough guys that they have now decided everyone should pay that (except when rent is due). If you run into one of them, you can pay it or go to another bar where you will find someone just as hot for half the price. If people keep overpaying, that may not be true in a year or two, but thankfully it still is now.
For those who want to pay a fair price (not a lowball price that will only work with someone who is desperate) but just don't know how, the keys are to be firm and to know what the price should be. I generally advise that you never ask a price. If you feel that you really should arrange a price in advance (I almost never do), start by TELLING the girl how much you will give her, or at worst, name your price and ask if that is correct. (Be prepared for a potentially much more difficult bargaining session if you do this, however.) Use common sense. Don't discuss money loudly, where other girls can hear and it becomes a status/face issue. Don't ask a Khmer girl in front of other girls if she gives BJs. If she won't meet your price, or brings friends into the discussion to try to convince you the price is too low, just politely say sorry and ask to pay the bill (or you can be a jerk, like some guys are, but I don't recommend it). Odds are she will accept your price before you walk out of the bar, and leave smiling. If not, there is a good chance she will do so the next time you come in. BTW, I have had more than one girl throw a fit when I paid $10 for ST or $20 for LT, then call me a day later asking to come back over, or be all over me the next time I came into her bar. They never complain a second time. It is just a game they have learned to try to extract more money from you.
For Cyrcee, the ST price has gone up to $20 plus a $3 lady drink, unless you pay the $5 barfine, in which case you only need to pay the girl $15. (If anyone is still getting it for $15 with no barfine, please say so.)
Walkabout and Sharkey are indeed pretty grim these days, but I still see the occasional 8 or 9 on the rare times I go. Martini, however, is packed with hot Vietnamese girls from 9PM until 1AM or so, and you can find some attractive Khmers in there, as well. I can't imagine how anyone can think otherwise. The girls are mostly rather hardened pros, but they are definitely attractive. Heart of Darkness is a bit more hit and miss than it used to be, and pretty empty before 11PM. I assume it will start to fill up with backpackers again in October, as usual.
Hippie's comments about the prices holds good for those who live there. They can negotiate , refuse, move on and try another day. Also if you live there I am sure normal local girls can be had.
But for a guy on vacation for a few days it is different. We go there to find girls as quickly as possible and get down to business. We do not have time to troll around the whole city looking for cheap options. Ofcourse we do bargain
but at the same time if we like a certain girl yield a little on the price. Apart from few places there is no fixed price all over the world to take a girl home for fun. Everything is negotiated.
If these girls depend only on the local mongers all these bars and freelancer places will not have any business. I have taken girls from hostess bars and paid them $40 LT. If the girl stayed only ST I paid $20. Yes, I have had $10 girls ST from freelancer places but most of them are 4-5 scale. All pretty girls are in hostess places or other high priced venues.
[QUOTE=Hippie]I have not posted on this board for quite awhile. Every time I read it, I get so disgusted by the stupidity being posted that I just log back out, but this time I have decided not to do so. I have been living in Phnom Penh for a awhile now. The prices some people are paying has gotten ridiculous, but what is even more ridiculous is when the people who pay these stupid prices come on this board and insist the price they paid was truly the going rate, refusing to listen to people who know better. At best they might admit that cheaper prices are possible, but then say that is only for ugly girls. Bullshit. They can't admit that their knowledge of the scene and bargaining skills sucked and they just got taken advantage of.
If I offend you, too bad. You can look at my previous posts and see that I seldom make such strong comments. I wouldn't care about what people write, but it is finally starting to have an effect and there actually are some girls in the hostess bars who are refusing to go for less than $40 now, because one or two guys paid that or more. Thankfully, they are still in the very small minority, although the number of girls who will start by asking for that amount is growing rapidly. Most will rapidly come down in price as soon as you politely (and sometimes impolitely) tell them that there is no way you will pay that much.
Guys, you have every right to pay whatever you want. I don't like it when the two week millionaires overpay, but I would never say you don't have a right to. However, at least admit you were overpaying, and don't use any excuse like "she deserved it" or "I make that much in an hour back home." This is not the west. If these girls were not working in bars, they would make less than $100 per month in a factory or restaurant. The going rate for ST (outside of the brothels where it is still $5) is $10, with a few really good looking girls getting $15 in high season. For LT, the price is $20 -$25. This is for freelancers and many hostess bar girls. In some hostess bars, the girls will insist on $20 or even $25 for ST but this is only in bars where no distinction is made between a ST barfine and LT. By going with you, the girl is forfeiting her salary for the night and sometimes paying an additional fee to the bar, whether you want her all night or for an hour. I have never paid more, and nobody has ever been pissed off, at least not when I paid the upper number of the ranges I have given, and usually not when I paid the lower. I'm not grandfathered or getting special "local" pricing, because I don't take girls all that often, I simply know what I am doing, and it does not take much. When friends come to visit, they have no problem paying the same price. Some even get better prices than what I have said, but they also get turned down a lot. However, since last high season, there have been a few hotties who have been paid $40 or $50 by enough guys that they have now decided everyone should pay that (except when rent is due). If you run into one of them, you can pay it or go to another bar where you will find someone just as hot for half the price. If people keep overpaying, that may not be true in a year or two, but thankfully it still is now.
For those who want to pay a fair price (not a lowball price that will only work with someone who is desperate) but just don't know how, the keys are to be firm and to know what the price should be. I generally advise that you never ask a price. If you feel that you really should arrange a price in advance (I almost never do), start by TELLING the girl how much you will give her, or at worst, name your price and ask if that is correct. (Be prepared for a potentially much more difficult bargaining session if you do this, however.) Use common sense. Don't discuss money loudly, where other girls can hear and it becomes a status/face issue. Don't ask a Khmer girl in front of other girls if she gives BJs. If she won't meet your price, or brings friends into the discussion to try to convince you the price is too low, just politely say sorry and ask to pay the bill (or you can be a jerk, like some guys are, but I don't recommend it). Odds are she will accept your price before you walk out of the bar, and leave smiling. If not, there is a good chance she will do so the next time you come in. BTW, I have had more than one girl throw a fit when I paid $10 for ST or $20 for LT, then call me a day later asking to come back over, or be all over me the next time I came into her bar. They never complain a second time. It is just a game they have learned to try to extract more money from you.
For Cyrcee, the ST price has gone up to $20 plus a $3 lady drink, unless you pay the $5 barfine, in which case you only need to pay the girl $15. (If anyone is still getting it for $15 with no barfine, please say so.)
Walkabout and Sharkey are indeed pretty grim these days, but I still see the occasional 8 or 9 on the rare times I go. Martini, however, is packed with hot Vietnamese girls from 9PM until 1AM or so, and you can find some attractive Khmers in there, as well. I can't imagine how anyone can think otherwise. The girls are mostly rather hardened pros, but they are definitely attractive. Heart of Darkness is a bit more hit and miss than it used to be, and pretty empty before 11PM. I assume it will start to fill up with backpackers again in October, as usual.[/QUOTE]
Hippie is spot on. I was having the same thoughts. You guys that dont mind paying more should be in Thailand at least there you can get a much bigger pool of girls and girls that will offer a much greater range and quality of service.
The girls in Cambodia are ripping you off for these prices esp given the services they provide.
Thanks Hippie, well said and all true!
BTW, 80% of the hostess bars here are within a 10-15 min walk. The rest are around 5 min on a bike or tuk tuk, except Martini which is about 15 min away from the main area.
[QUOTE=Sammon]But for a guy on vacation for a few days it is different. We go there to find girls as quickly as possible and get down to business.[/QUOTE]Exactly. When I've spent a month or two in PP for work I go back to the same bars often enough that I get great girls at good prices. But if I've been away a while and am only in town for a couple days, it usually takes more cash to get what I want. I'll happily pay that. It's my hard-earned money and I'll spend it however I like. And if the Overpayment Police disapprove, I sincerely and humbly, uh, couldn't care less.
[QUOTE=Betong] And if the Overpayment Police disapprove, I sincerely and humbly, uh, couldn't care less.[/QUOTE]
And that is why this and/or any other forum for PP doesn't get updated for the good spots by us living here.
[QUOTE=Mongering1]And that is why this and/or any other forum for PP doesn't get updated for the good spots by us living here.[/QUOTE]Well I've lived there and contributed reports, so sorry if I wasn't supposed to. These days I'm mostly just passing through, and despite excellent guidance from friends who still live there, yes, I often end up paying more than they do. I want quality and I don't want to spend days getting it.
One feature of a free market is that different people can and do pay different prices for the same goods or services. The other day on Air Asia I sat next to a guy who had paid almost four times as much for the flight as I did. Was he foolish to pay so much? Of course not. He was paying for the flexibility and convenience of a last-minute seat. Was he raising the price for the rest of us? Just the contrary: he was helping to subsidize low fares like mine. I won't argue that mongering is exactly comparable, but it's close enough.
[QUOTE=Mongering1]And that is why this and/or any other forum for PP doesn't get updated for the good spots by us living here.[/QUOTE]
This is the key to keeping prices low and spots unspoiled. All good information should be given through pm's to those who understand how to keep prices low and who don't spoil markets.
But it seems like this "spoil" trend is here to stay. Asia is getting way to prosperous and it's only inevitable that all good spots will be ruined. Just look what happened to Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore. Back in the day these spots were know for cheap sexy girls. Look at the way Thailand is changing too.
There is too much money going around and the demand for pussy is higher than ever. It used to be that girls were fighting over guys, but now its the other way around. You can't complain when I guy wants quality pussy and pays for it, because there are others in line who will gladly overpay just to get the girl. The tables have turned. You just got to accept it and move on.
Most of the complainers are guys with little money. The guys with deep pockets never complain. I wish I had deep pockets!
1. Some pay more than others
2. Some pay less than others
3. Others pay somewhere in between
also
1. The ones that pay more wish they had/could pay less
2. The ones who paid less want to keep paying less, don't want to pay more
3. Some couldn't care less (or not much) about the discussion.
I believe this same discussion goes on at all the boards I have read.
People do what they do....
Best kept secrets are best kept secret.
[QUOTE=Roguesta]Best kept secrets are best kept secret.[/QUOTE]I'm trying to think of the last real secret place in Phnom Penh. (Pacific Hotel, 1994? Toul Kork, before the NGOs came? Sophie's, back in the first year or so, when it was still good?) I mean, places like Brunei or Palawan you've really got to know which door to knock on. In PP it's all pretty much out in the open.
Keeping quiet about a place to protect it from attention from NGOs and authorities is fine. But trying to keep a place secret to prevent prices from going up . . . good luck on that one.
Fred Gold, good summary except for the part about people who paying more wishing they had paid less. Some do, and they are the people I bother to post for. Many don't care if they pay more. Also, I agree that similar discussions happen for any area, but I have never personally seen one where person after person keeps trying to insist that the prices they paid was the going rate, and everyone who paid less either does not realize the price has increased, gets a "local-special" rate, or went with a less attractive girl. It gets tiresome.
Betong, it sounds as if you realize you are paying more than you have to, but don't care because you are not in town that often. As I said, I personally wish guys would not do that because if enough do then it drives the price up, but you certainly have the right to do so if you wish.
Sammon, you just don't get what I am saying, either because you don't want to or because I did not do a good enough job of communicating. The advice I was giving was not for people who live here and can take their time. I am very busy and rarely go out. When I do go out with the intention of taking a girl home, I am very picky. I only want someone that I find extremely attractive, and my tastes seem to coincide pretty much with the mainstream. While I technically have the option of coming back another night, this thought does not enter into my mind because the reality is that I want a girl right then, not a few days or weeks later. I have never paid more than $25 LT, whether the girl came from a hostess bar or freelancer place. I have also seen girls every bit as good looking at Heart and Martini as I have at any hostess bar, but I admit that shopping at Heart takes some patience and a willingness to cut your losses and come back another time, which is why I did not mention it much. If you want to pay the rates you mentioned, OK, but don't make the mistake of thinking you have to pay them in order to get the quality of girl you want.
[QUOTE=Betong]yes, I often end up paying more than they do. I want quality and I don't want to spend days getting it.
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Fully agree. Quality comes with a price, it's worldwide the same.
Where can you get a Mercedes for the price of a Hyundai?
Enjoy!
taxi driver sovan mey who was a regular on this board won’t be providing any more service for the next 12 years or so. he was sentenced today for his role as purveyor of **** girl.
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phnom penh municipal court yesterday sentenced an american man in absentia to 17 years in prison after finding him guilty of buying sex from three **** girls and producing child pornography during a trip to cambodia in january. craig thomas carr, 59, was arrested on january 21, and the municipal court later charged him with purchasing sex from three 14-year-old girls in phnom penh and kandal province.
he was deported in may to the united states through operation twisted traveller – an arrangement by which americans suspected of committing sex crimes overseas can be tried in the us – and charged in a us district court in washington state. but because court proceedings in cambodia had begun at the time of his deportation, the domestic case went ahead. defence lawyer dun vibol said it was “illogical” for his client to receive what he called a heavy sentence in light of the fact that he faced similar charges in the us.
during a hearing in washington state on july 27, carr pleaded guilty to having sex with **** girls in cambodia. he faces a sentence of 15 to 30 years in the us case if found guilty. “according to the principle of law, it seems illogical for my client to receive two verdicts in cambodia and america on the same case,” he said. “he should not have been deported to face trial in the us.” but samleang seila, director of the child protection ngo action pour les enfants, which provided lawyers for the victims, said he was happy with the verdict and sentence handed down yesterday, even though carr was unlikely to serve time in cambodia. he said that although the cambodian sentence was not transferable to the us, it could “possibly be seen as evidence by the american courts, that he has been convicted of the crime here”.
the court also sentenced mey sovan and sek vy, both 37, to 12 years each in prison after finding them guilty of soliciting child prostitution and procurement. both were accused of finding the victims for carr. the court ordered them to pay fines of 8 million riels (us$1,900) each. in addition, all three accused were ordered to pay compensation to two victims totalling 8 million riels. us media reports citing an affidavit in the case there said carr published an online advertisement offering to purchase sex with girls who were around 12 years old.
Does an expensive stunner really mean better sex I do not think so. A lot of the time I am more than happy with average and a good attitude and good iteration, anyway when I get this it usually means better sex. I plan on going for a couple of week jan and no I am not an expat but I think I have enough time to to get good 10 to 15 st and 20 to 25 lt, I hope I am not wrong has it really change that much in a year, if so maybe I will not go, but I have the feeling I will find what I need. I think there is alot of dooom and gloom merchants someone tell me I am not wrong. The distance are not far and motto taxi is cheap, is it still woth my while. I find Tailand and the baht a little expensive but I can still have 4 good day in patta and hopefully some good time in pp. Is it safe I so long as they are over 21 I should not get any problems or am I being niave.
Brian723, I think you will be fine. Safety-wise there has been no change, and not much change in mongering, either. As noted, the number of really hot girls who won't go for less than $40 has gone from nearly zero to about 10%-20%, but for the type of girl you describe, there is no noticeable change.
[QUOTE=Hippie]Fred Gold, good summary except for the part about people who paying more wishing they had paid less. Some do, and they are the people I bother to post for. Many don't care if they pay more. Also, I agree that similar discussions happen for any area, but I have never personally seen one where person after person keeps trying to insist that the prices they paid was the going rate, and everyone who paid less either does not realize the price has increased, gets a "local-special" rate, or went with a less attractive girl. It gets tiresome.
Betong, it sounds as if you realize you are paying more than you have to, but don't care because you are not in town that often. As I said, I personally wish guys would not do that because if enough do then it drives the price up, but you certainly have the right to do so if you wish.
Sammon, you just don't get what I am saying, either because you don't want to or because I did not do a good enough job of communicating. The advice I was giving was not for people who live here and can take their time. I am very busy and rarely go out. When I do go out with the intention of taking a girl home, I am very picky. I only want someone that I find extremely attractive, and my tastes seem to coincide pretty much with the mainstream. While I technically have the option of coming back another night, this thought does not enter into my mind because the reality is that I want a girl right then, not a few days or weeks later. I have never paid more than $25 LT, whether the girl came from a hostess bar or freelancer place. I have also seen girls every bit as good looking at Heart and Martini as I have at any hostess bar, but I admit that shopping at Heart takes some patience and a willingness to cut your losses and come back another time, which is why I did not mention it much. If you want to pay the rates you mentioned, OK, but don't make the mistake of thinking you have to pay them in order to get the quality of girl you want.[/QUOTE]
It is age old question. If you ask any expat who lives locally in any mongering places will say do not spoil the market for us. It is true they are worried because they have a good thing going. For a visiting monger's point view is he does want to go to all places looking for target price of $25 LT set by the locals. He wants a girl he likes and takes her even if the price is higher. Does he bargain/ Ofcourse, we mongers always bargain , maybe less strenously with some girls than others. It is possible local cambodians get a girl for $5 LT.
There is no way a foreigner will get that price. For a few dollars I definitely will not come home and hold my dick in my hand because none of the girls went for $25 LT offered. I am there maybe a week and like to have a girl every night. I do not have the luxury of those who live there thinking maybe sun will shine tomorrow for a less price.
[QUOTE=Hippie]Brian723, I think you will be fine. Safety-wise there has been no change, and not much change in mongering, either. As noted, the number of really hot girls who won't go for less than $40 has gone from nearly zero to about 10%-20%, but for the type of girl you describe, there is no noticeable change.[/QUOTE]Hippie this is what I think also ,it only gets better each time as i know more and can spend more time doing what I like .
[QUOTE=Sammon]. It is possible local cambodians get a girl for $5 LT.
There is no way a foreigner will get that price. .[/QUOTE]I've met a few locals and for the record, locals rarely take any chicks LT. They are more into the Wam/Bam thank you Mam. Have to remember that most local men have families they have to get home to and just do ST to get their jollys off.
Depending on where you are in Cambodia, the average rate ST for locals is about $3-4, so I would guess if a local do take a chick LT, the rates will be slightly under $10.
FZ
[QUOTE=Hippie]Fred Gold, good summary except for the part about people who paying more wishing they had paid less. Some do, and they are the people I bother to post for. Many don't care if they pay more...[/QUOTE]
There's another group that we do not mention: those that are in the business of hostess bars or are some how associated to working girls that have a vested interest in driving prices up.
At this day and age, I dare to say that ANYONE that goes to PP to monger, would NOT want to pay more than what's necessary... Or you would be going to Bangkok (or Manila) instead.
Spaceman
[QUOTE=Sammon]But for a guy on vacation for a few days it is different. We go there to find girls as quickly as possible and get down to business. We do not have time to troll around the whole city looking for cheap options...[/QUOTE]
Nobody wants to be a sucker.
Sammon, you still don't quite get it. Most likely, you do not know much about economics in general and how price inflation works. I don't blame you--it is not a very interesting subject. The locals, especially expats, don't set the prices--the service providers do. They charge as much as they think customers will pay. When enough customers are willing to pay more than the previous minimum, that minimum goes up, as does the asking or starting price. Many guys think that because they bargain $5 or $10 off the price of something, they got a good deal. This is not true if the seller started with an asking price that was $20 more than she was willing to accept. Heck, if you go into a shop in Asia offering goods aimed at tourists and only get 25% off the initial asking price, you have probably paid much more than you had to. Why would you expect it to be different in a bar?
Freezone, I am under the impression that working class locals pay $2.50-$3 in the brothels. Maybe that has gone up, if you are sure they are paying $4. I know that during the KM11 days I heard that Khmers paid $2.50 and westerners (originally juts expats and a few regular visitors) paid $3, because they were thought to be bigger and take longer. When the tourists started coming and paying $5, the expats complained. At the other end of the scale, the high-end KTVs that cater to rich Khmers are quite expensive. The least you can take a girl for is $100, or so I have been told by guys who went there with Cambodian friends, and many get $200 or $300.
[quote=run mann]taxi driver sovan mey who was a regular on this board won’t be providing any more service for the next 12 years or so. he was sentenced today for his role as purveyor of **** girl.
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phnom penh municipal court yesterday sentenced an american man in absentia to 17 years in prison after finding him guilty of buying sex from three **** girls and producing child pornography during a trip to cambodia in january. craig thomas carr, 59, was arrested on january 21, and the municipal court later charged him with purchasing sex from three 14-year-old girls in phnom penh and kandal province.
he was deported in may to the united states through operation twisted traveller – an arrangement by which americans suspected of committing sex crimes overseas can be tried in the us – and charged in a us district court in washington state. but because court proceedings in cambodia had begun at the time of his deportation, the domestic case went ahead. defence lawyer dun vibol said it was “illogical” for his client to receive what he called a heavy sentence in light of the fact that he faced similar charges in the us.
during a hearing in washington state on july 27, carr pleaded guilty to having sex with **** girls in cambodia. he faces a sentence of 15 to 30 years in the us case if found guilty. “according to the principle of law, it seems illogical for my client to receive two verdicts in cambodia and america on the same case,” he said. “he should not have been deported to face trial in the us.” but samleang seila, director of the child protection ngo action pour les enfants, which provided lawyers for the victims, said he was happy with the verdict and sentence handed down yesterday, even though carr was unlikely to serve time in cambodia. he said that although the cambodian sentence was not transferable to the us, it could “possibly be seen as evidence by the american courts, that he has been convicted of the crime here”.
the court also sentenced mey sovan and sek vy, both 37, to 12 years each in prison after finding them guilty of soliciting child prostitution and procurement. both were accused of finding the victims for carr. the court ordered them to pay fines of 8 million riels (us$1,900) each. in addition, all three accused were ordered to pay compensation to two victims totalling 8 million riels. us media reports citing an affidavit in the case there said carr published an online advertisement offering to purchase sex with girls who were around 12 years old.[/quote]i think the message is clear - cambodia is no longer ****-friendly. if you sexually exploit minors in cambodia, you will be caught, and those who assist you will be caught. i would say that - given the number of ngo's operating in the country, and the efforts being made to clean up cambodia's image - it would probably be easier for a **** to operate in a western, 'developed' country than in cambodia.
it's actually a bit sad that one **** can ruin the lives of so many people. given the levels of poverty in cambodia if you wave enough cash around people will probably be tempted to do anything.
Hippie is right. That is why you need knowledge of the going rates. The rates are only sustained if enough pay those rates. It is also true about the high end for the rich Khmers. I have been hosted and it included a girl for me and additional girls for atmosphere and we drank JW Blue. And this was after a 12 course dinner. The driving up of the rates also has to do with the rich Khmers.
[QUOTE=Hippie]The locals, especially expats, don't set the prices--the service providers do. They charge as much as they think customers will pay. When enough customers are willing to pay more than the previous minimum, that minimum goes up, as does the asking or starting price.[/QUOTE]Unless new service providers enter the market and undercut the old ones. That's exactly what happened in Cambodia. When I first came in 1993, pretty much the only option was the big posh clubs along Monireth. Very high quality Vietnamese girls, who demanded $50-60/night. That was a fortune in those days, but they got it, thanks to rich Asian businessmen and horny UNTAC guys. Then cheaper girls, including Khmers, got into the business, and prices came way down.
Anyhow anybody worried about price inflation shouldn't be too concerned about the occasional barang who pays a few bucks over the market rate. It's the Asians, especially the Chinese, who will change this market forever. The Japanese and Koreans here now are just the first tip of the iceberg.
[quote=sabretongue]i think the message is clear - cambodia is no longer ****-friendly. if you sexually exploit minors in cambodia, you will be caught, and those who assist you will be caught. i would say that - given the number of ngo's operating in the country, and the efforts being made to clean up cambodia's image - it would probably be easier for a **** to operate in a western, 'developed' country than in cambodia.
it's actually a bit sad that one **** can ruin the lives of so many people. given the levels of poverty in cambodia if you wave enough cash around people will probably be tempted to do anything.[/quote]
it's not one, there are many people still engaging in this activity, some get caught others do not; they're in the news on a regular basis. the problem will never be eliminated as long as destitute people exist in cambodia but you're right there is a concerted effort to reduce this problem as it should be.
[quote=run mann]it's not one, there are many people still engaging in this activity, some get caught others do not; they're in the news on a regular basis. the problem will never be eliminated as long as destitute people exist in cambodia but you're right there is a concerted effort to reduce this problem as it should be.[/quote]you know it's strange.
i am no newbie to the scene, i've been around. i only know 2 or 3 guys who i would consider as being more well-travelled if you know what i mean. and in all my travels i have not once seen, or come into contact with **** prostitution. admittedly i never visited svay pak when it was supposedly the ****'s mecca, or any other time for that matter, but the news reports i read every day would have you believe that there is a veritable army of child prostitutes that is ever-present in south-east asia. i can only conclude that it is sensationalist, voyeuristic nonsense. of course there are ****s around and **** prostitutes, you read about these in the papers but i for one have never seen any hint of it.
[QUOTE=Hippie]Fred Gold, good summary except for the part about people who paying more wishing they had paid less. Some do, and they are the people I bother to post for. Many don't care if they pay more. Also, I agree that similar discussions happen for any area, but I have never personally seen one where person after person keeps trying to insist that the prices they paid was the going rate, and everyone who paid less either does not realize the price has increased, gets a "local-special" rate, or went with a less attractive girl. It gets tiresome.
Betong, it sounds as if you realize you are paying more than you have to, but don't care because you are not in town that often. As I said, I personally wish guys would not do that because if enough do then it drives the price up, but you certainly have the right to do so if you wish.
Sammon, you just don't get what I am saying, either because you don't want to or because I did not do a good enough job of communicating. The advice I was giving was not for people who live here and can take their time. I am very busy and rarely go out. When I do go out with the intention of taking a girl home, I am very picky. I only want someone that I find extremely attractive, and my tastes seem to coincide pretty much with the mainstream. While I technically have the option of coming back another night, this thought does not enter into my mind because the reality is that I want a girl right then, not a few days or weeks later. I have never paid more than $25 LT, whether the girl came from a hostess bar or freelancer place. I have also seen girls every bit as good looking at Heart and Martini as I have at any hostess bar, but I admit that shopping at Heart takes some patience and a willingness to cut your losses and come back another time, which is why I did not mention it much. If you want to pay the rates you mentioned, OK, but don't make the mistake of thinking you have to pay them in order to get the quality of girl you want.[/QUOTE]
Hippie,
I am in BKK now, but interested in the conversation. I have noticed asking prices going up on every trip here. Now seemingly unbelieveable rates asked for by some girls. I usually run with one or two regular girls for a couple of years. Takes a long time to find what I like, but that is me.
Interesting, my best girl happened to ring me last night from where she is now (overseas). Just a chat. And as I was looking at the conversation on this forum, I brought it up with her. (She is a stunner, by my account, previously in BKK, booked only 3 months in advance, and sometimes no availability for longer; she was, however moderately priced for regulars). She had a few things to say, with regard to her own pricing, as 60% was repeat business, she kept it lower, or the same. For new guys, whom she did not get a good feeling with over the phone or did not come from a referral (her requirement) she admitted she asked for more, but lowered after a few days. When I asked her what she thought about the current situation in BKK, she said she thought the girls were trying it on more as business was down. But the escalation was down to people that were also willing to pay. In her words: "I never charged more for people who I enjoyed being with, or wanted to see again, but many girls just enjoy too much getting the most - even if no repeat business).
I think the girl has a few points. There may be cases where someone has to obtain services at a higher price - harsh, but likely to be true. If a girl is only testing the market, and does not consider herself what she is happy with, then goes for a high asking price, we are the fools. I think using her logic in reverse and trying to find out what the woman is interested in for the night, and making sure that coincides with my understanding/expectation is a better way to go (for me). And as Hippie said: it is important you know what the rate should be, not what you make or would pay back home.
This is an old argument, but I can see in practice how local guys feel when a regular says price has gone up, because someone foolishly paid a ridiculous sum the night before. It is not as if cost of living has gone up - though maybe not down - things have stayed the same (or gone down)here since I was back. I think the benefit of this forum in general is to gain from the experiences of the long term expats, and regular visitors. In this way, saying you just didn't have the time to mess around bargaining for a correct price is actually naive. There is no need to bargain a girl down to a point she is not happy, but if you know the price then there is no reason not to do so. As Hippie said in previous comment, most girls are trying to extract as much out of you as possible. It is my job to extract as much quality out of the evening as possible. Sometimes this can take a little finesse, just as it would with a NWG…. That is what the forum is about?
[QUOTE=Neufie]Hippie,
I think using her logic in reverse and trying to find out what the woman is interested in for the night, and making sure that coincides with my understanding/expectation is a better way to go (for me).[/QUOTE]What she's interested in. $$$! Ha! Given up on this long time ago.
Now, minimum requirments are BJ and hope she's not that used and abused on that gold mine she's sitting on. Got to be able to feel the sides and not feel like you can back in the SUV.
[QUOTE=Hippie]Freezone, I am under the impression that working class locals pay $2.50-$3 in the brothels. Maybe that has gone up, if you are sure they are paying $4.[/QUOTE]Hi Hippie, in my original post , I said anywhere from $3-4 depending on location.
Some may still get $2.50 , but I round it up to $3 as it is the more realistic figure (rather than rounding it down to $2- as even locals can't really get this nowadays). and yes, some places in PP are starting to get locals to pay $4.
FZ
[QUOTE=Freezone]Hi Hippie, in my original post , I said anywhere from $3-4 depending on location.
Some may still get $2.50 , but I round it up to $3 as it is the more realistic figure (rather than rounding it down to $2- as even locals can't really get this nowadays). and yes, some places in PP are starting to get locals to pay $4.
FZ[/QUOTE]Actually $2.50 is very easy for the locals and it is a round number 1 * 10,000 reil note.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491]Actually $2.50 is very easy for the locals and it is a round number 1 * 10,000 reil note.[/QUOTE]Just some comments, I shagged for $5 in snooky in 2009. I tried my best to get it down to $2-3 but it is mpossible for a foreigner to get these rates nowadays. There are greener fields elsewhere. Someone almost let the cat out of the bag. I am glad they didn't.
Can't wait to get back. Just a few weeks now.
Just about finished pcheum bunh, a huge holiday.
Missus out of town, me on the prowl.
Checked into the Flamingo just before the huge afternoon shower.
Waded to the Walkabou, watched the water outside washing around near the entry.
Talked to a couple of chaps newly arrived although oen had been here a few years ago and had some khmer.
They told me that everywhere they had been asked for fifty bucks, even at the Cyrcee.
I had spotted nothing suitable, at the WA and then had a beer at blackcat and walked to the riverside and 104.
Later went to 104 and found an apparent enthusiast.
I paid her short time $20 and then went back to the WA and found a real enthusiast.
I paid her $25 in the morning for very good service.
Speaking khmer seems to be quite important even in these quiet times.
[QUOTE=Asianpussylover]Yeah, there was some action back in december. I posted an article that i found online about some daring yanks that went there. Go back through the threads and you will find it. Unless you have your own transportation it will be extremely difficult for you to get transportation to the pak. Taxis and motos are avoiding the place. And even if you go, you are taking a chance that is not worth the while. Do some research. Their is a neighboring country where NGOs aren't allowed. This place has a replica of svay pak just in case you miss the fun, or missed out on all the action and want to re-live it all. I am sure you will find this place.
I read some of the posts about Flamingos. I went there to avoid the walkabout and found it to be a pleasant experience. That was back in November of '09. The rooms were clean, food ok, and not far away from the action. What I did not like was the creepy barang with the cell phone and a suspicious look. Every time i turned around this $#@! was there.[/QUOTE]After doing some searching I found that all 3 countries allow NGO's (to a limited degree in Laos). May I ask what country you are talking about?
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Betong, you are totally correct. Disruptive forces like a new class of providers entering the market can drastically change the pricing structure, as could things such as new laws and regulations. And yes, the Koreans and Japanese are IMO the single greatest factor in the price increases in S.E. Asia over the past 5-10 years, as they compete directly with the westerners for the same girls in many cases. The Chinese and Malaysians have so far had much less effect, as they prefer the places that the locals go, for the most part.
Neufie, an excellent post also. The pricing in Thailand has gone through the roof in the last few years, thanks in no small part to the Japanese and the Internet. You are right that some guys have to pay more than the going rate and some less, but they tend to be either regulars, as you mentioned, or extreme cases, especially in Cambodia. A guy has to be pretty unattractive (usually either smelly or unclean or similar) or obnoxious to have girls refuse to go with him for the going rate. A sweaty 300 pound chain smoker with brown teeth who is drunk and groping girls won't even qualify for a higher price in most cases. Similarly, a guy has to be quite young and attractive to get a discount, and it is more likely he will get it for free--or have a ST turn into a LT at the same price--than at a reduced price.
Phil Istine, I suspect the guys you were talking to came off as inexperienced to get quoted $50 "everywhere" and they probably started by asking "How much?" I have no trouble believing the Cyrcee girls tried this, as unlike most bars, the girls are there to make money, not find a boyfriend. I would not say speaking Khmer is important, but it certainly doesn't hurt. I really should learn more.
Shadow, you are correct. It is more accurate to say the brothel price for Cambodian men was (and presumably still is) 10,000 riel than $2.50. At current exchange rates, that makes it more like $2.35
One of these chaps had been here years ago and did speak some khmer,his mate was telling the girls that he had never been to cambodia before.
He agreed that he should wise up and claim to have visited previously.
I did tell them though that many girls in bars ask for $50 hoping to snag a mug.The best looking girls make enough from lady drinks that they dont need to go home with the customers.
[QUOTE=Marrow]Useless research my friend hehe. Maybe what he meant was if u hang around other countries, u could find a local place where barang are unexpected and not surrounded of NGOs, and price is good with a lot of girls, sometimes with good quality. Well, everywhere in S/E asia is like this hehe. Just luck to find this places, so start to walk. Either in japan u can find an awesome high perf girl for 100-200$ instead of the usual 500$ expected, just hanging around choosing randomly a non-tourist tokyo station. And price and location change from the day to the night, obiouvsly. Silly post, my friend, Pak was more like the symbol of "large number of girls, young and beautiful". Nowadays just a police trap hehe, no more girls.[/QUOTE]In other words you don't know either.
[QUOTE=Marrow]Useless research my friend hehe. Maybe what he meant was if u hang around other countries, u could find a local place where barang are unexpected and not surrounded of NGOs, and price is good with a lot of girls, sometimes with good quality. Well, everywhere in S/E asia is like this hehe. Just luck to find this places, so start to walk. Either in japan u can find an awesome high perf girl for 100-200$ instead of the usual 500$ expected, just hanging around choosing randomly a non-tourist tokyo station. And price and location change from the day to the night, obiouvsly. Silly post, my friend, Pak was more like the symbol of "large number of girls, young and beautiful". Nowadays just a police trap hehe, no more girls.[/QUOTE]There really is a near by country where NGO's will have their asses literally kicked, if they even try to set up shop there. Sorry for being cryptic, but anyway the NGOs already know where they are not welcomed, allowed. The internet ruined Svay Pak, so I am going to keep quite and let you find this place yourself. It's not too hard to do find it; you just need to do some digging. The garage doors and beautiful girls are there. It's identical to the Pak. So what are you waiting for? Get to work and go there before it becomes famous and bus loads of Japanese tourist start to show up. Oh and by the way, if you are scared of guns, and guerillas, etc. Just stay home and watch tv.
It's safer for you.
[QUOTE=Marrow]Uh? No, I meant was misinterpreted the post about NGO and neighbour countries. The same huge number of girls of Pak, no, I never met again a replica nor similar, if you was asking.[/QUOTE]There really is a nearby country wherein the NGOs will literally have their asses kicked if they even try to set up shop. The garage door shops and beautiful girls are there also. What are you waiting for? Better get there before it is discovered and permanently ruined. Like Svay Pak. Sorry for being cryptic but the best things in life are really secret. Oh, and if you are scared of guns and guerillas then stick to present day Cambodia as this place is like Cambodia 20 years ago. And if you really want to be safe, just stay home and watch tv. Seek! You will find.
[QUOTE=Asianpussylover]There really is a nearby country wherein the NGOs will literally have their asses kicked if they even try to set up shop. The garage door shops and beautiful girls are there also. What are you waiting for? Better get there before it is discovered and permanently ruined. Like Svay Pak. Sorry for being cryptic but the best things in life are really secret. Oh, and if you are scared of guns and guerillas then stick to present day Cambodia as this place is like Cambodia 20 years ago. And if you really want to be safe, just stay home and watch tv. Seek! You will find.[/QUOTE]
You are obviously speaking of Myanmar, but how do you handle money in a country without ATM ? You keep it all in your pants ? You trust the hotel reception ? Where do you put your pants when you go to a brothel ?
So. Are you speaking about Burma? Where exactly is there a place like Svay Pak? I have been there, but never saw "garage doors", etc. I would really appreciate some specific information. Thanks a lot!. A fellow monger.
Yes it sounds like Burma, but Burma is a large country.
I suppose one could venture into the golden triangle, the most likely spot for an activity something the government would not sanction. It certainly could be dangerous to say the least.
I've read that the UN secretary general is/will be in PP, plus US secretary of state also visiting. My guess is that is causing the great gov't of Cambodia to cleanup the streets, which is probably why this forum is so g.d. quiet the past week!
I hope things will pick up after they're gone.
Spaceman
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]the UN secretary general
Spaceman[/QUOTE]Well he's coming here to bangkok too and everything is still norbal.
[QUOTE=Mealticket]Well he's coming here to bangkok too and everything is still norbal.[/QUOTE]
The different is that Thailand does not need UN handouts.
Spaceman
Yea just my luck, you see I should have visited Cambodia about 3 years ago but the timing did not work.
So fast forward to last week when my Cambodian friend from NY invites me to visit him in PP in December and travel around Camb/Vietnam/Thailand - but wait a moment, I now read that the P4P scene is weak. He promises to set me up as he speaks fluent Cambodian and knows my likes (we partied in TJ a few times).
Say it aint so!
The Tall Man
I will be in Phnom Penh next week and would like to top up my supply of Levitra. Can anyone recommend a pharmacy where I could obtain a genuine supply as opposed to the local copies.
Thanks
[QUOTE=The Tall Man]Yea just my luck, you see I should have visited Cambodia about 3 years ago but the timing did not work.
So fast forward to last week when my Cambodian friend from NY invites me to visit him in PP in December and travel around Camb/Vietnam/Thailand - but wait a moment, I now read that the P4P scene is weak. He promises to set me up as he speaks fluent Cambodian and knows my likes (we partied in TJ a few times).
Say it aint so!
The Tall Man[/QUOTE]
It ain't so. Trust your friend. You are going to have a great time and be sure to give us your report.
Too many guys can't help but compare PP to Pat or AC. Or compare PP 2010 to PP '98. Forget the comparisons. PP is a unique funky town. You and your Cambodian fluent friend can't not have a good time there. Reports of PP's demise have been vastly overstated. IMHO. I will be there in Feb.
[QUOTE=Riverstar]I will be in Phnom Penh next week and would like to top up my supply of Levitra. Can anyone recommend a pharmacy where I could obtain a genuine supply as opposed to the local copies.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
I do not know about Levitra but generic viagra is freely available in all pharmacies. Last time when I was there I bought 4 100 Mg tablets for $3.
I went to another Pharmacy where they charged $2 for the same thing. All worked well. All of them were made in India.
So it is prudent to check as many pharmacies as you can before you buy to get the lowest price. Find out online what is the generic name for Levitra online and then go and ask them.
I do not think buying brand name drugs is advisable. Most likely it will be fake.
The one and only pharmacy chain where I truly think all products both name-brand and generic are real is U-Care. There are several locations, but if you stay in the areas most visitors on this board would frequent, the most convenient one is on Sothearos at St. 178. If going north on the riverside (Sisowath Quay), when you get to the screwy intersection at St. 154 next to the Amanjaya Hotel, take the street that veers off to the right at about a 20 degree angle. That is Sothearos. Go one block and U-Care is on the corner to your left. Never bought these types of drugs there, but have bought many others. In my experience, they will start by trying to sell you the name brand, then they will offer an expensive generic, then they will show you the cheap generic. No idea about Levitra, but there is a lot of fake Viagra and even the most popular Indian knock off, Kamagra, has fakes. Most are just low in potency but I bought one box that had me puking for abut 36 hours.
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]The different is that Thailand does not need UN handouts.
Spaceman[/QUOTE]Good point
[QUOTE=Sammon]I do not know about Levitra but generic viagra is freely available in all pharmacies. Last time when I was there I bought 4 100 Mg tablets for $3.
I went to another Pharmacy where they charged $2 for the same thing. All worked well. All of them were made in India.
So it is prudent to check as many pharmacies as you can before you buy to get the lowest price. Find out online what is the generic name for Levitra online and then go and ask them.
I do not think buying brand name drugs is advisable. Most likely it will be fake.[/QUOTE]I don't mind if I by branded Levitra or the generic version vardenfil but what I do want to ensure is that whatever I buy is the genuine thing not something cooked up in a Shanghai back street kitchen.
I don't quite know how to put it, but the expression on Ban Ki Moon's face was really hard to describe (on BBC News). The bottom line is that Cambodia really f-ed up this UN visit. So looks like there will be no handout from UN... which is good for us mongers. My guess is that police crackdown will turn into shakedown and various new bars and establishments will flourish. Just in time for my December visit! Ya man!
I hope I'm right.
Spaceman
A couple of blocks up from Walkabout going towards Sorya mall at St. 136 is a group of pharmacies that wholesale to other shops. They don't look any different than other pharmacies except that motorbikes are pulling up everywhere to make pick ups and people walk out with big shopping bags full of stuff. There are about 6-7 shops there, turn left if you are walking towards the mall. Kamagra is $1. 70 for a pack of 4 pills. They sell packs of 4 Synalis for $5. They are all in one small block so it is easy to walk from store to store to ask prices. I have bought many things from a few of these stores and everything worked as it should.
I was there for several days this month. Most women in walkabout asking $20 but will drop quick to $15. I offer $10 and was only turned down on one out of 4. I paid the same to 2 others that I have known for a while. I also "coincidentally" met a woman which is pretty common. She stayed with me a couple of days. They try to hook up and have you pay for everything. The hardest part is trying to get rid of them.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]The reports of PP's demise have been vastly overstated. IMHO. [/QUOTE]Wasn't it mainly one forum member that claimed that PP is dead and buried (along with him saying how horrible he thought Cambodia is in general). I had taken his reports with a grain of salt, and taken the other reports to say that it may not be as upfront/ easy as it once was, and might cost a little more, but is still there (as I think you are confirming Natty), even for new tourists.
I'm still looking forward to my Cambodia side trip, and am likely to engage in mongering.... unless I hear/read (reliably) that people are getting arrested for bar fining a lady.
Hi,
I'm going to cambo in 3 weeks for the 4 time now.
Had my best pussy experiences in Sihanoukville at the chicken farms there while in PP I mostly had bad luck.
Just read about this svay pak replica. Do you know anything about that? Its ok if you don't want to tell where it is. Do the moto taxis know about it? Any recommendations about PP pussies?
Regards
[QUOTE=Member #1160]A couple of blocks up from Walkabout going towards Sorya mall at St. 136 is a group of pharmacies that wholesale to other shops. They don't look any different than other pharmacies except that motorbikes are pulling up everywhere to make pick ups and people walk out with big shopping bags full of stuff. There are about 6-7 shops there, turn left if you are walking towards the mall. Kamagra is $1.70 for a pack of 4 pills. They sell packs of 4 Synalis for $5. They are all in one small block so it is easy to walk from store to store to ask prices. I have bought many things from a few of these stores and everything worked as it should.
I was there for several days this month. Most women in walkabout asking $20 but will drop quick to $15. I offer $10 and was only turned down on one out of 4. I paid the same to 2 others that I have known for a while. I also "coincidentally" met a woman which is pretty common. She stayed with me a couple of days. They try to hook up and have you pay for everything. The hardest part is trying to get rid of them.[/QUOTE]Actually the Synalis 4 x20mg tabs is $3 at one of these shops
[QUOTE=Franco Cozzo]Wasn't it mainly one forum member that claimed that PP is dead and buried (along with him saying how horrible he thought Cambodia is in general). I had taken his reports with a grain of salt, and taken the other reports to say that it may not be as upfront/ easy as it once was, and might cost a little more, but is still there (as I think you are confirming Natty), even for new tourists.
I'm still looking forward to my Cambodia side trip, and am likely to engage in mongering.... unless I hear/read (reliably) that people are getting arrested for bar fining a lady.[/QUOTE]Yes its basically the same scene as ever, just the western oriented hostess bars near the river now have to be a little more discrete than they once were.
Prices have drifted up as more and more mainstream tourists come and don't know how to bargain properly. The majority of girls will now start off with $40-50 for long term now. Depending on supply and demand at the place you are at, they will typically come down to $20-30 if you are patinet and there are not too many other prospects around. If you are prepared to go with older or less attractive girls then the old $10/20 is achievable, but many high quality girls will walk away at this price.
[QUOTE=Kuranyi]Hi
Going to cambo in 3 weeks for the 4 time now.
Had my best pussy experiences in Sihanoukville at the chicken farms there while in PP I mostly had bad luck.
Just read about this svay pak replica. Do you know anything about that? Its ok if you don't want to tell where it is. Do the moto taxis know about it? Any recommendations about PP pussies?
Regards[/QUOTE]Hey my friend I hope you have a blast. I will be also in cambo soon. Snooky is my favorite mongering city, so maybe we can meet up at the Freedom Bar for drinks. The Svay Pak replica is not in Cambodia! You have to look in the golden triangle. The garage door shops and sweet things are there. Having said that, you can still enjoy a Svay Pak like experience in Cambo. I did. It's just not out in the open anymore. Yes, just be street smart. It's all available.
[QUOTE=GregLondon]Yes its basically the same scene as ever, just the western oriented hostess bars near the river now have to be a little more discrete than they once were.
Prices have drifted up as more and more mainstream tourists come and don't know how to bargain properly. The majority of girls will now start off with $40-50 for long term now. Depending on supply and demand at the place you are at, they will typically come down to $20-30 if you are patinet and there are not too many other prospects around. If you are prepared to go with older or less attractive girls then the old $10/20 is achievable, but many high quality girls will walk away at this price.[/QUOTE]I agree with greglondon here, the bar scene in PP is getting like Pattaya without the Gogo's. Hopefully it'll stay like this but like any country, once you you start tightening the laws on the night life the price of girls start going up, which is whats happening in PP.
[QUOTE=Asianpussylover]Hey my friend I hope you have a blast. I will be also in cambo soon. Snooky is my favorite mongering city, so maybe we can meet up at the Freedom Bar for drinks. The Svay Pak replica is not in Cambodia! You have to look in the golden triangle. The garage door shops and sweet things are there. Having said that, you can still enjoy a Svay Pak like experience in Cambo. I did. It's just not out in the open anymore. Yes, just be street smart. It's all available.[/QUOTE]Brother. Are you talking about Burma? Where exactly. C'mon. Share. That's what this website is all abut after all, right?. Thanks from all of us.
[QUOTE=GregLondon]The majority of girls will now start off with $40-50 for long term now. Depending on supply and demand at the place you are at, they will typically come down to $20-30 if you are patinet and there are not too many other prospects around. If you are prepared to go with older or less attractive girls then the old $10/20 is achievable, but many high quality girls will walk away at this price.[/QUOTE]I have never paid more than $20, never had a girl walk away, and am close to 60 myself, some of you guys need to make yourselves a more attractive prospect to the gals. Last time in Phnom Penh I took 2 little hot 20 year old olds back to Sihanoukville for a week, found it extremely hard to get rid of them, gave them $150 each for the week, they were over the moon.
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[QUOTE=Rooter]I have never paid more than $20, never had a girl walk away, and am close to 60 myself, some of you guys need to make yourselves a more attractive prospect to the gals. Last time in Phnom Penh I took 2 little hot 20 year old olds back to Sihanoukville for a week, found it extremely hard to get rid of them, gave them $150 each for the week, they were over the moon.[/QUOTE]Just two words: Completely right.
Just some more words: $ 40 or 50 a night? You want to spoil the scene. That is far more money, than you have to pay in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Asianpussylover]Hey my friend I hope you have a blast. I will be also in cambo soon. Snooky is my favorite mongering city, so maybe we can meet up at the Freedom Bar for drinks. The Svay Pak replica is not in Cambodia! You have to look in the golden triangle. The garage door shops and sweet things are there. Having said that, you can still enjoy a Svay Pak like experience in Cambo. I did. It's just not out in the open anymore. Yes, just be street smart. It's all available.[/QUOTE]
Been to Snooky several times over the years and can say it was also a great place to monger but sadly over the years I have also witness the downturn. Snooky several years ago was a blast with the port brothels and Blue Mts and also a few brothels off the main streets. Prices have generally gone up and the quality down on my last visit which is the main reason I have not been back in the last 2 years. Also the motobike rental ban and having to rely on local scamming motodops didn't help either. But, If reports are improving, then maybe time to go back for a visit.
Shark
[QUOTE=Melted11]Brother. Are you talking about Burma? Where exactly. C'mon. Share. That's what this website is all abut after all, right?. Thanks from all of us.[/QUOTE]
I've lived in Asia for more than 20 years, and I think it has to be Burma. I agree, however, that sharing is what this website is all about.
Bule2004
[QUOTE=GregLondon]The majority of girls will now start off with $40-50 for long term now. Depending on supply and demand at the place you are at, they will typically come down to $20-30 if you are patinet and there are not too many other prospects around. If you are prepared to go with older or less attractive girls then the old $10/20 is achievable, but many high quality girls will walk away at this price.[/QUOTE]Well well, I don't know aboiut your negotiation skills, but I never negotiate on beforehand. Mainly stay in Street 104 and apart from the hardened girls in Rose Bar, you still can get them easy for 10$ ST. Because if they want to leave after one pop caz "friend no key and want to go sleep" or no blow job, you fain dissapointment and tell them you will only pay half of what you had in mind, and add 1$ for motobike, so they will not dare to ask for tip. OK, sometimes you have to add the 11 up to 15$ but thats all. Only girl I ever paid much more was Nay, daughter of the Nay Nay bar owner in Street 102. But that was a real beauty and a tiger in bed. She deserved her 50$ until noon next day.
[QUOTE=Marrow]God bless someone spend a minute for write the real situation, and a smart choice ( he don't seems a newbie) ..[/QUOTE]
If you are referring to Shark, then you are correct. He is not a newbie. He has been writing about Cambo for a long while and always with the best and latest intel from his own experiences and not from a 3rd party. I've traveled with him on several occassions now and always known him to be factual and honest. He is a member we trust on this board. Click on his name and read all his past post and you will know why.---IMO
PT
[QUOTE=Asianpussylover]Hey my friend I hope you have a blast. I will be also in cambo soon. Snooky is my favorite mongering city, so maybe we can meet up at the Freedom Bar for drinks. The Svay Pak replica is not in Cambodia! You have to look in the golden triangle. The garage door shops and sweet things are there. Having said that, you can still enjoy a Svay Pak like experience in Cambo. I did. It's just not out in the open anymore. Yes, just be street smart. It's all available.[/QUOTE]
Alright, tried to PM you but you can't receive messages.
Caught my interest here, been to Cambo many times over the past few years and witness alot, including Svay Pak, all the thieving brothels on St 163 and 154 , Sophies BJ for $1/ gal, etc.
Was in PP last year and never found another Sv.P ??even though I had hired a driver who knew his way around and even if it is not in the open as you mention.
Also went to Snooky last year and again never found another Sv.P experience there either. So, just where in Cambo are you referring to for the Sv.P experience????
As for the Sv.P experience outside of Cambo but in the Golden Triangle. There are only a few countries within the Golden Triangle and since I know it is not Thailand (as I've been here often enough) then I'm guessing it must be Burma--but which part of Burma are you referring to????
PT
I'll be in Thailand for a month and I decided I will take a side trip to Cambodia. I'm flying into PP on November 30, staying there for 2 nights and then heading up to Siem Reap. I'll also be there for day on my return trip since I'm flying Air Asia from BKK. The main reason is for Angkor but I'd like to monger along the way otherwise Billabong would be my choice.
I've been RTFF all weekend trying to figure out PP. I think I want to stay near the river so I'm trying to decide between 104 and 136. I found a couple of reviews on tripadvisor for the Golden House that look good. Anyone ever been there or have any opinions on it?
I'm open to other suggestions. I've read about several places. I'd like something with a balcony with a decent view and not super loud all night. Included wifi in the room or lobby is important too.
I don't drink and usually don't stay up late so the Flamingos/Walkabout/HoD area doesn't appeal to me that much. I also read there are better food options near the river. I still don't get the whole 'hostess' thing. I'm going solo so I don't see myself hanging around a bar for hours unless I meet up with some people along the way. I suspect I'll be looking for FL's. I also appreciate the discussions about pricing and overpaying. I like to stick to market rates and I will walk away 99% of the time rather than let my little head decide to give her what she wants. Bargaining with girls is a turn-off! It's nice when rate is understood and assumed.
Most FL talk seems to be around the bars at night. Any areas to find them during the day? I'd like to do some tourist stuff and then pick up someone for a couple of hours or all night if the vibe is good.
Maybe California 2 or maybe Flamingos for one night and then find a place by the river once I'm there, though I don't like lugging my suitcase around looking at places. I did read some older posts about FL's around Flamingos and in the lobby during the day so maybe that is the best bet. Are they still around or is that a thing of the past? I probably read too much and I'm over thinking this.
Opinions?
Methos,
I have never stayed at Flamingoes, but there are some extremely disturbing reports on the Sihanouk Ville forum regarding this hotel, all from people I would trust for their honesty. I usually stay on Street 104, just off the Riverside. Plenty of good clean accomodation along Riverside also.
[QUOTE=Methos]I decided I will take a side trip to Cambodia. I'm flying into PP on November 30, staying there for 2 nights and then heading up to Siem Reap. I've been RTFF all weekend trying to figure out PP. I think I want to stay near the river so I'm trying to decide between 104 and 136. I found a couple of reviews on tripadvisor for the Golden House that look good. Anyone ever been there or have any opinions on it?
I'm open to other suggestions. I've read about several places. I'd like something with a balcony with a decent view and not super loud all night. Included wifi in the room or lobby is important too.
I still don't get the whole 'hostess' thing. I'm going solo so I don't see myself hanging around a bar for hours unless I meet up with some people along the way. I suspect I'll be looking for FL's. Opinions?[/QUOTE]
Methos, here are my thoughts on your query:
1) Check out the River 108 Hotel at [url]http://www.river108.com/[/url] . The River View Suite has what you are looking for.
2) The whole 'hostess' thing is easy. Just go to 104st. Walk into Zanzibar, Rose Bar, OneZeroFour Bar or any of the others. Sit down, get a beer, and admire the scenery. If you like one of the girls then invite her over for a drink. If she is cute and charming then bar fine her. I have had nothing but good times there.
3) Just my opinion, but I would advise against doing a FL especially on your first trip. There are better girls in the hostess bars.
4) I don't think you have allocated enough time to PP or Siem Reap. I would spend minimum 4 days in PP and 3 days for Angkor Wat. But don't sweat it, you will certainly get your dick wet and have a great time. A wingman you can trust is always good company. I try to get my friends to join me whenever I travel, but if they can't make it, then going solo is not less enjoyable. It is just different.
[QUOTE=Methos]I'll be in Thailand for a month and I decided I will take a side trip to Cambodia. I'm flying into PP on November 30, staying there for 2 nights and then heading up to Siem Reap. I'll also be there for day on my return trip since I'm flying Air Asia from BKK. The main reason is for Angkor but I'd like to monger along the way otherwise Billabong would be my choice.
I've been RTFF all weekend trying to figure out PP. I think I want to stay near the river so I'm trying to decide between 104 and 136. I found a couple of reviews on tripadvisor for the Golden House that look good. Anyone ever been there or have any opinions on it?
I'm open to other suggestions. I've read about several places. I'd like something with a balcony with a decent view and not super loud all night. Included wifi in the room or lobby is important too.
I don't drink and usually don't stay up late so the Flamingos/Walkabout/HoD area doesn't appeal to me that much. I also read there are better food options near the river. I still don't get the whole 'hostess' thing. I'm going solo so I don't see myself hanging around a bar for hours unless I meet up with some people along the way. I suspect I'll be looking for FL's. I also appreciate the discussions about pricing and overpaying. I like to stick to market rates and I will walk away 99% of the time rather than let my little head decide to give her what she wants. Bargaining with girls is a turn-off! It's nice when rate is understood and assumed.
Most FL talk seems to be around the bars at night. Any areas to find them during the day? I'd like to do some tourist stuff and then pick up someone for a couple of hours or all night if the vibe is good.
Maybe California 2 or maybe Flamingos for one night and then find a place by the river once I'm there, though I don't like lugging my suitcase around looking at places. I did read some older posts about FL's around Flamingos and in the lobby during the day so maybe that is the best bet. Are they still around or is that a thing of the past? I probably read too much and I'm over thinking this.
Opinions?[/QUOTE]
1. There are many hotels overlooking the river. Inexpensive to expensive. Not many has balconies. Those who do charge more. Phnom Penh is a small town. If you do not like the hotel you can walk along the river and check out all the hotels and move.
2. There are many freelancers. You can find them on the streets, bars, discoes. Walkabout, HOD, Sharkeys, Martini are well known haunts of foreigners. There are other discoes along the riverside who have freelancers. there are plenty of toutes who say they will bring nice girls.
Do not go with the touts. Freelancers are OK. But make sure you have locked up your valuables in the safe and just carry the amount of local currency you need. I have found real gems among freelancers.
3. Hostess bars are everywhere. You can get a map at canbypublications.com
Hostess girls are pretty and tend to be stuck up. Not all girls will go with you. Those who go quote high prices. Most are runners if you agreed on LT-overnight price. The problem here is some of the hostess ars have rooms upstairs or in the back where they do ST. They make more money this way. I always target young, unjaded girls who have proved to be real GFE. They are inexperienced but make lovely company.
Last time I was there it is $7 for barfine and $20-$40 for LT.
4. Daytime pick up is mainly in walkabout which is open 24 hours. Some freelancers on the street but very hard to distiguish from normal girls going to the market. Cambo girls are not agressive and do not advertise the fact that they are available on the street like thailand.
5. Although girls are available in Siem reap, you can also find a nice girl in Phnom penh to be your companion to go there. I did that couple of times. It will be boring touring the temples by yourself and the guide.
Also there is a Cambodian cultural village which is very nice with many shows and a final show at night. You go around 2-3 PM and come back after night show. Things in Cambodia are cheap including bus fares between Phnom Penh and Siem reap. Besides for your Cambodian girl very low ticket fares for all attractions.
Have Fun!
Thanks for all the replies! River 108 looks very nice but I'm looking for something cheaper. The 104 area's mentioned a lot so I'm leaning towards there at the moment. The bus & pier are close - still not sure which I'll take to Siem Reap. I like the idea of the boat but reports seem to recommend the bus. I'm also not clear on what I do with my suitcase & backpack on the boat.
I also had it in mind that if I find a keeper I will bring her to Siem Reap. Is it that much more difficult/expensive in SR? Should I really try to bring someone with me?
I'm planning on 2 nights PP, 4 nights SR, then one more night in PP before flying back to BKK. That should work with the 3 day temple pass. It's starting to seem like it might be a lot of time in SR so I'm hoping it's worth it. I also might go a bit more upscale in SR, maybe something near pub street with a pool - but that's for the SR topic when I get to it.
Rose guesthouse looks good from what I can find. The rooms look nice, a balcony on what seems like a good street and girls downstairs if I need them. I don't think they have wifi but there seems to be enough around so I could bring my netbook for lunch or something and catch up on email.
Is this a good spot? I also look at California 2 around the corner (I think) but it doesn't look like they have balconies from what I read.
[QUOTE=Methos]Thanks for all the replies! River 108 looks very nice but I'm looking for something cheaper. The 104 area's mentioned a lot so I'm leaning towards there at the moment.
Rose guesthouse looks good from what I can find. The rooms look nice, a balcony on what seems like a good street and girls downstairs if I need them. [/QUOTE]
I never stayed at the Rose Guesthouse, but I have used one of their rooms for short term romance. They gave me a room on the 2nd floor in the back without a balcony. The bedroom and bathroom were both large and very clean. Obviously River 108 is higher end and you have to pay for all those amenities, but I see nothing wrong with Rose guesthouse. It is a good deal.
Rose Bar is one of my favorite hangouts. They have some real nice girls. I met a real sweetie there last time I stopped by. The advantage of staying at Rose is the close proximity to the girls. They will treat you extra special because they know you are staying there. The only disadvantage is they will also know if you bring in a girl from another bar after you have done one of their own. But I would not worry about that too much. You da man and can do anything you damn well please!
[QUOTE=Methos]Thanks for all the replies! River 108 looks very nice but I'm looking for something cheaper. The 104 area's mentioned a lot so I'm leaning towards there at the moment. The bus & pier are close. Still not sure which I'll take to Siem Reap. I like the idea of the boat but reports seem to recommend the bus. I'm also not clear on what I do with my suitcase & backpack on the boat.
I also had it in mind that if I find a keeper I will bring her to Siem Reap. Is it that much more difficult/expensive in SR? Should I really try to bring someone with me?
I'm planning on 2 nights PP, 4 nights SR, then one more night in PP before flying back to BKK. That should work with the 3 day temple pass. It's starting to seem like it might be a lot of time in SR so I'm hoping it's worth it. I also might go a bit more upscale in SR, maybe something near pub street with a pool. But that's for the SR topic when I get to it.
Rose guesthouse looks good from what I can find. The rooms look nice, a balcony on what seems like a good street and girls downstairs if I need them. I don't think they have wifi but there seems to be enough around so I could bring my netbook for lunch or something and catch up on email.
Is this a good spot? I also look at California 2 around the corner (I think) but it doesn't look like they have balconies from what I read.[/QUOTE]I'm still trying to figure out why you need some wannabe fake of a western hotel in Cambodia throwing money, honestly. If you just consider how is managed an hotel, either a luxury one, in Cambodia, well. It's no Thailand at all. Just for explain, there is a very expensive hotel in siem reap, the same street of the temple, a very famous one. Well, don't try the swimming pool, if you don't want to be sick. They clean the water 1/2 times per week, just if and when full (when?) works a little more. And this is on top 3 of the most expensive hotel in Cambodia. Over all, a wannabe hotel who deserve, start from 120$ per night in SR and PP, expensive. This don't seems your range, try to imagine the quality of a cheaper hotel now. The balcony is fine, just be sure is stable before pay, hehe. Maintenance is near to 0 for years and years, in general. Best suggestion is focus on a 7-5 $ one. Same kind of room of a 25$ one you want, for 7$ sometimes with wifi too, just with a more cute look about the reception (sometimes), and funnily sometimes more trouble about the famous "GF". Much more you pay, much more you could find a reception not allowing you to bring any "friend", or asking IDcard (1% of prostitutes has one, most I'd are fake but this is an other story). By the way, up to you, Rose is cute. Just remember as main rule to keep all the bag well locked and any valuable into the safe box like Sammon wrote. Rose guesthouse has one in the room, check before pay if present and not broken or forced.
Take a look on the wall (if you find), the hotel is not responible of any valuable hehe.
About the companion, well. This depends on your age, how much u're skilled to "feel" if deserve your trust, if the girl you meet in PP will steal or not something from your bag, and when. My suggestion is quick fuck and kick their back out of your room when done, ST. Tip: put your pocked and clock inside the locked bag before start your "service". Over the risk part, if the girl was luckly an honest one, she could start to dream if you want a wedding, or make you think there is "feeling". Cough, be smart, you're just money. Focus, as Sammon told you, on a young girl, maybe u're lucky (don't forget what I told you). Professional service is rare and extremely expensive in Cambodia, out of your range, I suppose.
Funnily, neither about a pro I could change a word I wrote, LOL.
Obiouvsly, you will see, SR is a good fake of a "beautiful city without prostitutes", could frustrate you if not patient. Hang around, you will find surely someone get you want to throw 40-50$ (or more). Bring with you just what you want to spend for eat and "extra", nothing else, every day. Someone will pickpoket you or fight, be sure. Hospital is expensive, pal.
2 nights in PP will be enough, walkabout will give you what you need, accordingly to your time available, sleeping at night. And it's enough for find the young companion. Same about Siem Reap, just hanging around the center a little. Obiouvsly in the night is better. 2 days in Siem reap is enough too, depends how many days you want to pay for the temple, 1 day from the morning usually is more than enough.
Enjoy your trip, and write us how is going, good luck hehe.
Cheers
Methos, it is only a 5-10 minute walk from 104 to 136, or 1 minute on a moto. Don't get hung up on choosing one. Just stay somewhere on the riverside between 102 and 148. I hate the attitude of the girls at Rose Bar, and would never stay there for that reason. Velkommen Inn across the street is much better, but not a place I would be comfortable parading a string of different girls through every day--although I am sure nobody there would ever be less than polite to you or them. My recommendation would be the Amari (no relation to the actual chain, I am sure) on St. 136. It is fairly new, and has decent rooms. Balcony rooms are $30 but you can bargain if they are not very full. However, any balcony room on St.136 or 104 is going to be somewhat noisy until about 2AM. Lots of hotels around the riverside, but the only way you will get a view worth mentioning is if you are right on Sisowath Quay. Balcony rooms at the cheaper hotels like Paragon, Indochine, Waterview, and Mekong Palace start at around $30 and are your typical somewhat worn Asian budget hotel. Cali 2 is definitely nicer, but may not have balconies and is getting a bit far from anywhere except St. 102 and 104. Not daytime action anywhere but Walkabout, and that is extremely hit and miss. freelancers on the riverside can be found at Sharky's starting about 6PM, but much better later,. There is also Riverhouse Disco on the corner of 110 and Sisowath (the upstairs part, not the lounge/restaurant on the ground floor), but the music is blaring and less than half the girls are there for P4P and you need to be careful not to get out of line with a "noirmal" girl. A few wealthy Khmers frequent it, and some like to dress really sexy. Their bodyguards are not people you want to give an excuse for violence. Also, it gets filled with tourists in high season, which is just starting to kick in.
May I make a plea for the girls working in Phnom Penh bars one of the problems in Phnom Penh especially in the riverside area is that there are too many bars and not enough punters. Not all the girls who flirt will go with customers and many of them work for tips and lady drinks only as a lot of bars can no longer afford to pay them a wage. It often amazes me how stingy some punters are I have even seen guys tip as little as 100 riel, I’m not asking anyone to throw money at every girl but if you have enjoyed their company why not reward them.
[QUOTE=Riverstar]May I make a plea for the girls working in Phnom Penh bars one of the problems in Phnom Penh especially in the riverside area is that there are too many bars and not enough punters. Not all the girls who flirt will go with customers and many of them work for tips and lady drinks only as a lot of bars can no longer afford to pay them a wage. It often amazes me how stingy some punters are I have even seen guys tip as little as 100 riel, I’m not asking anyone to throw money at every girl but if you have enjoyed their company why not reward them.[/QUOTE]
Even though I haven't been there yet I want to comment on this. I read back through a lot of pages but I'm sure my comments might come off as uninformed since they are only based on what I've read.
When I am looking for a girl I want someone I can take back to my room and fuck. This is one of the reasons I find the whole concept of 'hostess bars' confusing. I have no interest in a hot girl flirting with me so I will give her money and get nothing. That sounds like a strip club at home.
To each their own, I guess some guys are fine with that. I can only speak for myself but if I'm going into a bar like that in South East Asia to chat with a girl who is flirting with me and buy her expensive lady drinks I look at it as my interview to determine if it's someone I want to take to my hotel. Of course if they can make their living teasing guys and not fucking them - that's what they will do. But, I'm not going to support that.
[QUOTE=Methos]Rose guesthouse looks good from what I can find. The rooms look nice, a balcony on what seems like a good street and girls downstairs if I need them.[/QUOTE]
The street is pretty loud until 2-3am. When the sun comes up there's a little dog (with an owner) on the street that wakes up and barks at the monkeys most mornings. A few monkeys jump around the area in the mornings from time to time.
[QUOTE=The Scout]The street is pretty loud until 2-3am. When the sun comes up there's a little dog (with an owner) on the street that wakes up and barks at the monkeys most mornings. A few monkeys jump around the area in the mornings from time to time.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I ended up booking California 2. Lots of recommendations and it looks very nice - maybe not my ideal but chances are nothing is.
Flamingo was reasonably quiet
[QUOTE=Dinghy]Flamingo was reasonably quiet[/QUOTE]
Do you mean noise and getting some sleep or lack of girls?
I suppose the fact that this thread contains more about hotels than girls means that PP has not picked up any in the two years since I last went there. Oh, and some tosser going on about a 'K11 replica' but not putting his money where his mouth is...... not worth a riel, if you ask me.
both actually (except for the temple close by and the chanting)
Didn't seem to be many girls in there - but since it's a block from W/A, it didn't matter a lot
and to answer the question about picking up - it's different IF you speak Khmer (I don't, I speak THAI) but there are some jewels out there in the wild
[QUOTE=Yiddo]I suppose the fact that this thread contains more about hotels than girls means that PP has not picked up any in the two years since I last went there. Oh, and some tosser going on about a 'K11 replica' but not putting his money where his mouth is...... not worth a riel, if you ask me.[/QUOTE]Something strange is happening to the nightlife in PP, I wondered yiddo are you from NE London in England as your name may suggest.
[QUOTE=Yiddo]I suppose the fact that this thread contains more about hotels than girls means that PP has not picked up any in the two years since I last went there. Oh, and some tosser going on about a 'K11 replica' but not putting his money where his mouth is. Not worth a riel, if you ask me.[/QUOTE]Yeah, saw the several post about that but only reply was around the golden triangle? Man, thats a big area to cover without more details. Only thing I know about that area is the armed rebels and organized gangs and drug lords.
[QUOTE=Methos]Even though I haven't been there yet I want to comment on this. I read back through a lot of pages but I'm sure my comments might come off as uninformed since they are only based on what I've read.
When I am looking for a girl I want someone I can take back to my room and fuck. This is one of the reasons I find the whole concept of 'hostess bars' confusing. I have no interest in a hot girl flirting with me so I will give her money and get nothing. That sounds like a strip club at home.
To each their own, I guess some guys are fine with that. I can only speak for myself but if I'm going into a bar like that in South East Asia to chat with a girl who is flirting with me and buy her expensive lady drinks I look at it as my interview to determine if it's someone I want to take to my hotel. Of course if they can make their living teasing guys and not fucking them - that's what they will do. But, I'm not going to support that.[/QUOTE]Lots of other countries also have hostess bars that you can't really take out. It's just the way of doing their business, luckily, not all bars in PP are like that yet.
[QUOTE=Dinghy]both actually (except for the temple close by and the chanting)
Didn't seem to be many girls in there - but since it's a block from W/A, it didn't matter a lot
and to answer the question about picking up - it's different IF you speak Khmer (I don't, I speak THAI) but there are some jewels out there in the wild[/QUOTE]Indeed, speak Khmer makes a HUGE difference, at all. Reason because some users read about jewels, not finding any, spending 50-100$ for something you can pay 2.50 or 5$ max, LT. And no, the "khmer friend" don't make you pay this price. Instead u will pay his help too. Either if is a 5$ girl, be sure, was a 10000 riel one, and he keep 2.50$ for help. ST, obiouvsly. Adding the tuk tuk /motorbyke service, eventually a beer, trying to buy his loyalty, you will think to be lucky, he's just using you laughing on your back with every Cambodian near the table, drinking and eating for free hehe.
[QUOTE=Marrow]Indeed, speak Khmer makes a HUGE difference, at all. Reason because some users read about jewels, not finding any, spending 50-100$ for something you can pay 2.50 or 5$ max, LT. And no, the "khmer friend" don't make you pay this price. Instead u will pay his help too. Either if is a 5$ girl, be sure, was a 10000 riel one, and he keep 2.50$ for help. ST, obiouvsly. Adding the tuk tuk /motorbyke service, eventually a beer, trying to buy his loyalty, you will think to be lucky, he's just using you laughing on your back with every Cambodian near the table, drinking and eating for free hehe.[/QUOTE]The locals get not so good girls cos there cheap $2, then we get nice ladys cos we pay more $20-£50, then japanese and rich Cambodians get beautiful young ladys $150. so stand your ground if your paying $50 for a lady when locals only pay $2 then make sure you get a decent one.
[quote=iching]the locals get not so good girls because there cheap $2, then we get nice ladys because we pay more $20-£50, then japanese and rich cambodians get beautiful young ladys $150. so stand your ground if your paying $50 for a lady when locals only pay $2 then make sure you get a decent one.[/quote]cough, are you sure? lol agree, most "cheap" girls for locas are ugly as hell, but not all of them, trust me. my diamond is a 10$ st (if i want her in my room), a goddess, 10000 riel for locals inside mamasan house, one of the most beautiful girl ever seen in asia *winks*
(deffo i was thinking to marry her, i just cannot deal a wife prostitute haha)
never paid 50 bucks for a cambodian girl at all.
just fool barangs made this price, long time ago was 10000 riel for us too.
sadly the price is growing, now the girls ask 100$ or more, so fun.
150$ girl is a virgin, or an ****, for locals.
customers thinking like you, destroyed the market, honestly.
nothing personal, obiouvsly, my friend.
cheers!
Yes, North London, in a former life. How is Martini now? I last went there 2 years ago, and it was dead as a doornail. Having been to PP in its hayday 15 years ago, it was dead depressing to see how crap it had become on my last visit. Is it worth going back?
[QUOTE=Yiddo]Yes, North London, in a former life. How is Martini now? I last went there 2 years ago, and it was dead as a doornail. Having been to PP in its hayday 15 years ago, it was dead depressing to see how crap it had become on my last visit. Is it worth going back?[/QUOTE]Martinis the same, actualy I had been in the old Martinis just before it went to its new place, great times then. Martinis now is still sort of OK, its like a regular bar now.
Anyway a bit of a report here, I went into Martinis where a mamasan ask me what I wanted, I turned her away because I know the Mamasans will ask for $10 for finding you a lady. After she went a vietnamese sat down beside me and said that she didn't like this Mamasan as the girls can find there own customers. I took this lady to my Hotel, she was about 25 and a nice body, I ask her if she did so and so where she said I should have ask her what I wanted when I spoke with her in Marts, she said she'll do it tomerrow if I come back and see her.
No piece of Khmer tail is worth over $15 (and even that is a stretch)
I had one rob me (got about $7 out of my bag) because STUPID ME forgot to lock the bag. Only make that mistake ONCE. That was at WA by the way - the only negative experience I had there with one of their regulars.
Dinghy, the WA thief was probably Vietnamese, since most of the long-time hardened girls there are, not Khmer. Of course, if you are sure she was Khmer then that is different.
Marrow, virgins generally go for far more that $150 if they are attractive. $100-$300 is the price to take girls out of the high-end KTVs that rich locals like to frequent. Iching was not too far off, except for the implication that you have to pay $20 to get an attractive girl. I have NEVER heard of a freelancer or hostess bar girl asking $100, but that doesn't mean it has never happened to someone they thought was really clueless or rich.
has anyone tried the Cialis available in PP pharmacies (or generic Synalis) . Did it work? How does it compare with Viagra/kamagra?
Waterfestival is this weekend, and yet all the bars are open, streetwalkers parade in the open, even in Hun Sen Park.
What is happening to the government? Asleep on the job?
[QUOTE=GregLondon]has anyone tried the Cialis available in PP pharmacies (or generic Synalis) . Did it work? How does it compare with Viagra/kamagra?[/QUOTE]The Cialis I tried seem to be real but not as potent as I would like. Didn't see any dates on the box so could be a bit outdated but still enough to work. Difference is that this last much longer than Viagra.
Bought it at the Central market area near all the long distant bus parking.
FZ
[QUOTE=Hippie]. I have NEVER heard of a freelancer or hostess bar girl asking $100, .[/QUOTE]Starting at $100? I never had anyone ask that before either when I visited PP. I think the highest starting price I was ever asked was $50 and I even laughed at that for LT price.
Hope that's not the new trend here.
FZ
[QUOTE=Dinghy]No piece of Khmer tail is worth over $15 (and even that is a stretch)
[/QUOTE]I'm assuming you meant not over $15 for ST as LT prices are usually in the $20-30 range these days.
FZ
[QUOTE=GregLondon]has anyone tried the Cialis available in PP pharmacies (or generic Synalis). Did it work? How does it compare with Viagra/kamagra?[/QUOTE]Bbuy the Synalis at anyone of the pharmacies near the Central Market and I think it works just fine. Believe I paid around $5 for a box with 4 pills.
ask whether the supposed cialis is chinese. if so, it is't worth 100 riel - the chinese copies even with the hologram aren'th equipped with ANY OF THE ACTIVE INGREDIENT.
THE INDIAN STUFF WORKS - APSALIS BUT THE SUPPLY WAS CUT OFF LAST YEAR WHEN I WAS IN PP.
Can anybody tell me where HOD is and what features does this place have. I never heard it was mentioned among the freelancer places like Sharkey's, Walkabout and Martini. Where exactly is it located?
Could anybody tell me where exactly HOD in Phnom Penh is located and what kind of place it is? Can you find freelancers there? What is the best time to go there?
[QUOTE=Kubahans]Could anybody tell me where exactly HOD in Phnom Penh is located and what kind of place it is? Can you find freelancers there? What is the best time to go there?[/QUOTE]
Let's say you exit from Walkabout. That's street 51, I think. Turn left and keep walking. At the first intersection, the bar on your right is the Black Cat. No FL there at all. Keep walking on street 51, you'll see a largeish shopping plaza on your left. Find the main entrance of the shopping plaza and HOD is just across the street. So about 1.5 blocks from Walkabout.
HOD is a disco. Lots of Walkabout girls - this is where they raise their price. Lots of Martini girls too, for that matter. Some tourists. Some locals. And apparently some gangsters too! Try not to pick up the wrong pussy.
Spaceman
hi folks,
after viewing the pics in the photo gallery section, i can't help but feel that the cambo girls look very malnutritioned! flat chested and boney ass! big difference when compared with the big boobs girls from manila. and very easy to give people the false impression that the girls are ****! hopefully that's not how rumours are started.
spaceman
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]
HOD is a disco. Lots of Walkabout girls - this is where they raise their price. Lots of Martini girls too, for that matter. Some tourists. Some locals. And apparently some gangsters too! Try not to pick up the wrong pussy.
Spaceman[/QUOTE]
Never saw a WA girl raise their price at Heart. Still $10-$15 ST, $20-$25 LT and I have taken dozens of girls from there. If anything, they are cheaper there after 1AM, as they are often just looking for one more customer before calling it a night. Gangsters mostly gone for the last few years. It is pretty obvious which girls there are with guys. After midnight, the vast majority of girls are looking for P4P.
Tragic in Phnom Penh 349 people die on a stampede during the water festival on koh pik bridge .
[url]http://channel6newsonline.com/2010/11/cambodian-festival-turns-tragic-as-349-are-killed-in-stampede/[/url]
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Kubahans]Can anybody tell me where HOD is and what features does this place have. I never heard it was mentioned among the freelancer places like Sharkey's, Walkabout and Martini. Where exactly is it located?[/QUOTE]
HOD or otherwise known as heart of darkness or DANGER is on the same street as walkabout. On the corner you see Shanghai bar. Just a couple of buildings from Shanghai bar.
There was a shootout there few years ago prompting state department advice for american tourists to avoid it. Since then there is strict security including pat downs on entry. There are many girls who come with their boyfriends. Just be carefull who you try to pick up. Obvious P4P girls are there too. Many young tourist girls come there also. Place is kind of dark , so you need to focus clearly to pick up the right girl for you.
[QUOTE=Hippie]. Gangsters mostly gone for the last few years. It is pretty obvious which girls there are with guys.[/QUOTE]Last time I was at HOD it was not the gangsters making trouble but the damn spoiled rich brats that show up with 2 bodyguards and making trouble.
They think they own the place (ok-maybe their fathers do own Cambodia) but still no excuse to act like A-holes.
I had already negotiated and girl was mine for the night, then spoiled brat sends bodyguards and ask my girl to go with them instead. I wanted to object and make a scene but thought better of it and let it go as I was outnumbered and on foreign soil.
FZ
[QUOTE=Freezone]I wanted to object and make a scene but thought better of it and let it go as I was outnumbered and on foreign soil.
FZ[/QUOTE]
Smart move FZ! HOD is an interesting bar and worth checking. It has a unique Penh ambiance, but it is not a place where you want to get into an altercation. That said, I like the place, but when I was last in town, I thought there was a better selection of girls on 104st. Just my opinion; I am sure to drop by again and have a beer when I get back into town.
[QUOTE=Kubahans] HOD in Phnom Penh.... What is the best time to go there?[/QUOTE]
2001 ;)
[QUOTE=Sammon]
There was a shootout there few years ago prompting state department advice for american tourists to avoid it. Since then there is strict security including pat downs on entry. [/QUOTE]
Not only since then but before then and probably during the shooting too there were security guards outside frisking people entering the club. The thing is that security make sure not to pat down the ones who come in that they know are carrying weapons, they just pat down the rest of their customers who are almost certainly not carrying. So if you're not carrying a weapon, they will make sure to pat you down, and if you are carrying one they almost surely will not. Got it?
[QUOTE=Sammon]Place is kind of dark[/QUOTE]
Hence the name.
[QUOTE=Freezone]Last time I was at HOD it was not the [b]gangsters[/b]making trouble but the damn [b]spoiled rich brats[]b] that show up with 2 bodyguards and making trouble.
They think they own the place (ok-maybe their fathers do own Cambodia) but still no excuse to act like A-holes.[/QUOTE]
In this country, the rich spoiled brats are the gangsters. The government is what we think of as gangsters top to bottom, and that's who's rich.
Last time I was in PP about a year ago, the FL had something of a circuit going: they'd go to Martini until about 12.30 or 1, then head to HOD after that. Once I figured out how it worked I'd make my own circuit the same way. I'd say about half the ones who show at HOD were not at Martini earlier -- not sure if they slept in late or were at some other spot before that. I also spotted a girl who worked at Candy Bar at HOD. As a venue, it's not nearly as user-friendly as Martini cuz it gets stupid crowded on certain nights, to the point where it's just too hard to move around inside the bar let alone strike up conversation with the one you have your eye on. You spend most of the time getting shoved this way or that to let someone pass on their way to the dancefloor, the toilet, the bar, their friends' table, etc. I only ever go if I end up alone that late in the night. Plan C.
Natty: WAY better selection on St 104 -- I'd guess about 10 times as many working over there (and to me, the choices seemed better yet on St 136 -- is that area still going strong?)
QUOTE "the choices seemed better yet on St 136 -- is that area still going strong?"
RESPONSE: Yes! To me, St. 136 is the best street in PP, easily outclassing St 104. My favorite Street 136 place is Bar 69.
Bule2004
[QUOTE=Hippie]Dinghy, the WA thief was probably Vietnamese, since most of the long-time hardened girls there are, not Khmer. Of course, if you are sure she was Khmer then that is different.
Marrow, virgins generally go for far more that $150 if they are attractive. $100-$300 is the price to take girls out of the high-end KTVs that rich locals like to frequent. Iching was not too far off, except for the implication that you have to pay $20 to get an attractive girl. I have NEVER heard of a freelancer or hostess bar girl asking $100, but that doesn't mean it has never happened to someone they thought was really clueless or rich.[/QUOTE]Agree, I think she was vietnamese, rarely a khmer girl except if your so smart to leave the pocket with 300$ on the table during your shower, could tempt. As much, I was never robbed neither 1 time from khmer, just 1 time from a vietnamese girl, was a friend haha (interesting.) Well, locals pay less, 100$ usually is enough, 300 for a diamond, agree. About the 100$ service from freelancers, obiouvsly is restricted to awesome girls. They can ask 100 or more. One of my girls did thousand times, sleeping at Naga too. (BJ gives a boost, deffo)
Cheers!
I might have an unexpected opportunity to visit PP again in February. I know it pretty well, have visited often over the past 10 years or so. But things do change.
One major change in recent years is how the market for girls has expanded into the higher price tiers. It used to be Martini and other cheapo spots had a lot of the FL scene -- with lots of choices and range of quality.
That's less and less true in recent years.
Last time I was there, the obvious big addition was streets 104 and 136. I actually got some of the best encounters of my visit in those areas.
But the scene is just too small. I need some variety, and in particular I'd like to find out where to go to get some of the upper tier -- basically, on a short visit, why not splurge a bit and go somewhere with a better selection but at a higher price. My typical night out is to go to Martini or from small bar to small bar on 104, hoping to spot something worth going for, and sometimes not finding that and finishing my night alone watching HBO in my room. Yes I know about HOD -- yes I go there. I know about Cyrcee and all those other cheap bars and spots. I'm after where the Asians go, I guess. And the problem is usually that Asians monger in packs, so their venues tend to be karaokes where you're expected to buy a bottle of Remy Martin or something, and sit there singing songs for 2 hrs first with all your buddies. For someone going solo, that's just dumb.
So do any regulars have any suggestions?
Thanks
Well if you got the money there is a high tier place on third floor karaoke place called Casa hotel. Usually have about 100 Viet girls available. No one speaks English but they are pretty Viet girl for rich Chinese. Only available for all nighter for $110. But you have to convince mamassan and the girl if you are not asian.
[QUOTE=Wendella]
So do any regulars have any suggestions?
Thanks[/QUOTE]I understand what you mean. But there isn't an elite club with superb girls. And for what I can tell you, it's just luck. To be in the right place in the right moment, and the girl free. You need to be handsome and young, possibly rich, very, obiouvsly very beautiful girls prefer this kind of man. If is your day, you will find a diamond. If not, HBO waits you. Consider this beautiful girls are busy nearly every day all the day, hanging around with a driver to rich customers, usually Chinese/japanese (they pay a lot, 100-200$ or more). The lack of english don't help, and maybe a possible lack of your knowledge of khmer, adds. Elite girls are on commission, this means find someone will make a lot money on your back for bring you a pearl, a girl you will pay a lot. Does it worth? Depends. Either when you're in this mechanism, seems incredible, but sometimes you still find the same kind of girl. BJ is a jackpot, anal a far dream. At least beautiful, if was what you was searching. Girl with a complete service, high level, it's random like a roulette. But if with variety you mean sex variety with a model-like with high performance, full service, and not extremely expensive, well, it's not your country. Nothing special here, just some chocolate thin-till-bones girls usually not so beautiful, with low performance. Over all, Khmer girls don't enjoy sex at all. It's just a matter of money. Acting like friends suggested, or from a sex movie they saw, trying to emulate something similar with moaning and a sorta of pleasure. Maybe Pattaya fit you more, my friend. Variety is a matter of money, all is there. They enjoy sex, a lot. Sometimes they like you so much you can fuck for free (rare but happens). Don't you agree?
Cheers!
[QUOTE=Wendella]So do any regulars have any suggestions?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Not that I know PP that well, but through research I found that there is a Paris hotel which has a fishbowl type of establishment and is catered to Asian crowd. Personally I've never tried it before, but I have an upcoming trip, so perhaps I'll try it and report back.
Spaceman
Well if you got the money there is a high tier place on third floor karaoke place called Casa hotel. Usually have about 100 Viet girls available. No one speaks English but they are pretty Viet girl for rich Chinese. Only available for all nighter for $110. But you have to convince mamassan and the girl if you are not asian.
Marrow, virgins generally go for far more that $150 if they are attractive. $100-$300 is the price to take girls out of the high-end KTVs that rich locals like to frequent. Iching was not too far off, except for the implication that you have to pay $20 to get an attractive girl. I have NEVER heard of a freelancer or hostess bar girl asking $100, but that doesn't mean it has never happened to someone they thought was really clueless or rich.[/QUOTE]Hippie - Glad to see you back on a board and alive and well in PP. You may remember me as "Bear194" from PI. I will be in PP in late Jan/early Feb. Any recommendations for happening places?
Thanks for the quick replies....
Lexis: I actually do know that Casa karaoke -- there's a disco downstairs outside. At hotel just north of Wat Phnom. A few yrs back when I went there they kept all the girls in one waiting room upstairs on 1st floor, out in open just as you entered. That was great cuz you could easily get a good look at all of them together at once and easily choose without first booking a room. No more. Also, price was $50 overnight with $15 barfine (or else $15 for the room). So now it's double! On previous visits, I found prettiness to be less than top notch, more like 6-8 range. No 9's or 10's. No wow factor whatsoever. In my experience, I spot a wow in Martini in about 1 of 4 visits there, one you just see and think immediately, now she's hot. But then again, maybe Casa has improved. They sure have "improved" their price.
Marrow: I'm not sure you understood what I meant. I did not mean "FREE" girls, but freeLANCERS, very different. FL are girls you can meet in a place like Martini, where they work as "independent contractors." :) This as opposed to a place like Cyrcee or Candybar where they are all on staff of the bar. So I'm not young and handsome and rich and therefore don't even consider going for real non-working girl pickups, if that is what you mean. By "variety" I do not mean variety of sexual activities, but variety of GIRLS to choose from -- a huge choice of girls all in one place is best for me. I like to be picky. But in the last part of your post you seem to talk about girls working with drivers. This might be interesting, if they really were the cutest ones available and surely better than ones available in other places. How can a guy connect with that? The main problem with this type of approach is that you can't see a girl until she shows up, and only one can show up at a time. I hate to "choose" that way. I prefer multiple choice to Yes/No questions. ;)
Will Robinson*: I've been to Paris and did not manage to spot something worth going for. It's a fishbowl massage place. Takeout available there? WHen I looked, a few years ago, it wasn't a great selection of girls in the tank. I left without choosing one.
* I assume you are not Dr. Smith or you wouldn't be here.
Wendella, to the best of my knowledge, you really need a Cambodian friend or business associate--or the rare westerner who has been often enough to know his way around and be accepted--to go to the places you are talking about. They are very skittish about foreigners these days, I assume due to all the closures that have happened and the fear we might be NGO spies. I saw some very attractive ladies the last time I went to the Paris fishbowl, but that was several years ago.
Bear194, I'll try to contact you by PM here or on one of the other boards, or I may have your email address somewhere. I have another friend coming in the same time period. It would be good to see you again.
D Cups, Bangkok Air is the only option I know of, and their flights are not always all that cheap, especially one way. Check [url]http://www.bangkokair.com[/url]