Isaan Region (including Udon Thani, KK, Khorat)

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I have traveled extensively in Isaan (which has several different spellings), and I have had many, many very memorable experiences. One of my last experiences was in Ban Dung, near Udon Thani. I stayed at a new resort called MODERN BAN DUNG outside of Ban Dung on the main road coming from Udon Thani. It is on the left. Chalets are quite nice, and the larger one are 700 baht (I might me off 50 baht or so). Modern, western toilets, clean, big beds, and only about 150 feet from the karaoke bar stocked with some of the finest looking your girls I have see.......except for the massage and karaoke place next to the Ton Koon Hotel in Udon Thani. I went there on a Sunday night, which is an off night for customer turnout, but the girls show up as usual. I was introduced by the sister of the owner's Thai wife to a very young (22, I think) and slim cutie who sat with me for about an hour or so, then we went to my chalet where she spent the night with me. Next morning I was treated to a free breakfast. Very low key place, friendly, clean, not expensive, and I was the only farang there. Not many customers that night. It is a new resort, and they just finished digging a very deep pond hole. When they finish landscaping, it will be a lovely place.

I have stayed here twice for a total of about 10 days. Inexpensive (for me anyway) at 700 baht/day and the rooms are quite nice. One of the qualities about this hotel is the staff are very friendly and tolerant of bringing in girls, or girls going up to rooms unescorted. The reason for this is that the hotel management also runs the massage/karaoke next door. I used to like to sit in the hotel dining room next to the large picture windows overlooking the massage place. About 5pm the girls start showing up for work at the karaoke place......and they are georgeous......short skirts and high heels. The massage place is loaded with at least 30 girls, most of whom are also souai. Oil massages are readily available, and if you play your cards right, you can get the girls back up to your room after they finish work.....and set up regular oil massages in your room for much less baht (minus management commission). Same with karaoke girls. I will try to upload a photo of one of my favorite girls. If I am unsuccessful, message me and I will send to via email. I hope more of you share your Isaan experiences in here, because it is a region rich in potential experiences, and loaded with souai women....I was unsuccessful.

Can anyone here recommend at least one hot spot in Buriram?(3-holers preferrably) I was there last year on a very short stay unfortunately. I'll be in that region this coming week.

Meatman,

Re Buriram:
Each and every Isaan three holer makes her money in BKK, Patts or down South. Your chances of finding the one that stayed behind are slim at best.
The Buriram RWS girls offer good solid bonks and and some wrap around lips, but that's about it. Bring B200 (or B300 if you're a stranger to them).
There are a few places on the road that runs West from the clock tower. Continue until after the bend in the road (it goes left after a while) and stroll on. Said places are then on your left before you get to the traffic lights. Better not expect too much in terms of, ehhhr, anything.
Anyways: Enjoy!

In a previous report, I mentioned the Modern Ban Dung Resort outside of Ban Dung.....near Udon Thani. Though I have another more intimate pic of my young friend, I choose only to show this one. It was a fun night ... karaoke bar........something warm and soft beside me.

Much as I have partaken of the girls from Isaan, have never been there. I have a business trip that takes me to a base in Udon Thani for three days in September 2008.

I have read the thread thus far.
Ideally, I would like to order ahead for a cutey as in this thread:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=94435[/url]

(and thank you Oosik1 keep up the keep up and the good work)

But I am a fan of the pursuit and selection, so any general advice to me would be good. I will research in the meantime.

I will copy and paste my report from a few weeks ago about Khon Kaen:

Khon Kaen

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My last visit a few weeks ago to Khon Kaen was the best ever. Khon Kaen has more nightlife than before. The best spot to find a short time (or long time) girl is at the farang bars.

Eric's bar.

Many girls (no bar girls) were there. There was a large group of Germans who were working on a paper factory. It attracted many girls from outside to get some part of the action (money). All guys had their fun and there were many girls to choose from.

Leo's bar.

Was a little quiet. But the bar girls were willing and you could arrange a short time after the bar was closed.

Steak house 23.

Here was my luck. One of the waitresses named Jeab (blonded hair and golden tooth) was attracted to me. She was willing to come to my hotel room (Sofitel hotel, best choice) but I had to walk first and she would follow so nobody would find out. She was great (best sex I ever had in Thailand) but after the deed she started talking about her financial problems. She was going to university to study as a nurse and she needed (of course) money. I gave her 1500 bt which made her very happy and off she went in the night. Unfortunately I didn't have chance to stay very long so we met only shortly. I wish I had stayed longer for this gem.

Villa Massage

Prices differ on quality of the girls. I was happy though with all the cheapest girls. All was included in the price.

Ceasars Massage

Comparable to Villa, but better girls and slightly more expensive.

Lily Massage

Good price (1000 Baht for sex one hour) or 300 Baht for massage 2 (?) hours..and then negotiate for sex ended up to 1000 Baht extra for the sex. Nice to spend more time for only 300 bt.

Nice report, Sofitel is GF, any other hotels you would recommend?
[QUOTE=Massaman]I will copy and paste my report from a few weeks ago about Khon Kaen:

Khon Kaen

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My last visit a few weeks ago to Khon Kaen was the best ever. Khon Kaen has more nightlife than before. The best spot to find a short time (or long time) girl is at the farang bars.

Eric's bar.

Many girls (no bar girls) were there. There was a large group of Germans who were working on a paper factory. It attracted many girls from outside to get some part of the action (money). All guys had their fun and there were many girls to choose from.

Leo's bar.

Was a little quiet. But the bar girls were willing and you could arrange a short time after the bar was closed.

Steak house 23.

Here was my luck. One of the waitresses named Jeab (blonded hair and golden tooth) was attracted to me. She was willing to come to my hotel room (Sofitel hotel, best choice) but I had to walk first and she would follow so nobody would find out. She was great (best sex I ever had in Thailand) but after the deed she started talking about her financial problems. She was going to university to study as a nurse and she needed (of course) money. I gave her 1500 bt which made her very happy and off she went in the night. Unfortunately I didn't have chance to stay very long so we met only shortly. I wish I had stayed longer for this gem.

Villa Massage

Prices differ on quality of the girls. I was happy though with all the cheapest girls. All was included in the price.

Ceasars Massage

Comparable to Villa, but better girls and slightly more expensive.

Lily Massage

Good price (1000 Baht for sex one hour) or 300 Baht for massage 2 (?) hours..and then negotiate for sex ended up to 1000 Baht extra for the sex. Nice to spend more time for only 300 bt.[/QUOTE]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is so special about the Isaan women, that all of you rave about?
Is is perhaps that special skill Freeler is refering to?
[QUOTE=Freeler]
Each and every Isaan three holer makes her money in BKK, Patts or down South. [/QUOTE]
If so, I'll be relocating to Isaan...

I'm just arriving at the Tom Koon Hotel. I'll give a report in a few days. I've heard good reviews about the place, the location and the women. Wish me luck!

Chok dee khup, MeatMan. I think you will be very happy staying there. You will find the staff very friendly.....especially with a tip or two. :)

Same with the girls across the driveway between the hotel and karaoke/massage building. Some very lovely young women work at both places. Happy ending oil massages are available for a price you must negotiate with each girl, and a whole slew of girls to pick from off the tiered seating downstairs. Rooms are private and comfortable.

The lady singers in the main dining room are also very friendly, but I do not know if they are players. Smile, waai, and joke with them (the entire staff) and they will appreciate your presence. If you have time, somehow travel to Ban Dung northeast (I believe) of Udon Thani. Stay at the Modern Ban Dung Resort........karaoke and some very lovely "singers" there.

[QUOTE=Freeler]Meatman,

Re Buriram:

Each and every Isaan three holer makes her money in BKK, Patts or down South. Your chances of finding the one that stayed behind are slim at best.

The Buriram RWS girls offer good solid bonks and and some wrap around lips, but that's about it. Bring B200 (or B300 if you're a stranger to them).

There are a few places on the road that runs West from the clock tower. Continue until after the bend in the road (it goes left after a while) and stroll on. Said places are then on your left before you get to the traffic lights. Better not expect too much in terms of, ehhhr, anything.

Anyways: Enjoy![/QUOTE]Thank Freeler. I know your infos are 1000% real. If you have update about "si saket" it s welcome.

Udon Thani Ain't bad guys!.

Having spent a couple of days at the Ton Koon Hotel, the staff were friendly. I would recommend this place to just about anyone. I'll go out on a limb and say that I am Black-American so, I definitely stuck out like a sore thumb and honestly I did feel somewhat uneasy.

The Karaoke girls?. I can honestly say that when they sing, hardly no one listens!.

I had a good massage from a 28 year old Thai-Lao girl who had the sweetest voice that would make a gay man go straight!. Location is off to the left and the sign is in green so, ya can't miss it.

Have you guys in Mr Tongs bar? Very popular with freelancers.The location is just right across the street from Robinsons/Chareonsri Center. I'd recommend it! Had a cute little spinner who never been with a black guy. Let just say she went home a *very* happy woman!. :D

Off to Laos guys!

[b]MeatMan[/b]

Channy,

Latest Si Saket update is from January 2008:
Check out the mute and her 'red' head friend. They hang out at Santisuk Hotel and Si Saket Hotel. Be aware of a loud mouth nasty ***** intervering with all and everything.
Cost was still B200 plus tip for plus standard service. Red head wants more and she's right as far as I'm concerned - but YMMV as always.

Negotiated a 200bt fuck with a young lass in Surin, but when I asked her - in Thai - to give me a blow job she replied "Not hungry!"

[QUOTE=Bumholes1]Negotiated a 200bt fuck with a young lass in Surin, but when I asked her - in Thai - to give me a blow job she replied "Not hungry!"[/QUOTE]

Bumhole - next time, take your date to dinner AFTER the BJ.

[QUOTE=Bumholes1]Negotiated a 200bt fuck with a young lass in Surin, but when I asked her - in Thai - to give me a blow job she replied "Not hungry!"[/QUOTE]
You have aroused my Curiosity.
What Thai phrase did you use? Please attempt to spell the Thai words with Eng letters.
But I guess she was just being a little smarty.

Its a problem that there is no Thai dictionary specially for sex talk.
I guess we could use these phrases:
"smoking" a P4P girls' euphemism
tham aw-ran (do oral)
awm (to suck while in the mouth, e.g. a lolly).
chai bpaak (use the mouth)

Maybe not these:
doot (to suck - this one not commonly used but is used for vacuum cleaners).
joop (to suck in with the mouth but I haven't heard this word used sexually)
So "joop hooy" means to slurp in an oyster (rather than pussy).
bpao (to blow with the mouth - doesn't seem to be used - it probably is only used for blowing air)

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]You have aroused my Curiosity.
What Thai phrase did you use? Please attempt to spell the Thai words with Eng letters.
But I guess she was just being a little smarty.

[/QUOTE]

Indeed she was trying to be clever.

I used the phrase I have used for years in Isaan. They don't seem to understand smoke, this being used mainly in Pattaya and Bangkok.

"Kin grador mai?"

[QUOTE=Freeler]Channy,

Latest Si Saket update is from January 2008:
Check out the mute and her 'red' head friend. They hang out at Santisuk Hotel and Si Saket Hotel. Be aware of a loud mouth nasty ***** intervering with all and everything.
Cost was still B200 plus tip for plus standard service. Red head wants more and she's right as far as I'm concerned - but YMMV as always.[/QUOTE]Thank Freeler for your advice,

Regards,

Channy

"Kin grador mai?"[/QUOTE]Anyway, as I might have to visit Surin next month, where did you find the girls?

Thanks alot!

Surin big-sex story

As usual, I took out a "super luxurious" room at the Tong Tarin Hotel in Surin. Well, the hotel itself is nice enough, the room is passable but what matters is the action inside. It all follows below.

Have I told you? I am actually a king (but please keep this secret). One day while sitting on my white porcelain throne, I had a strange idea. I wondered what comes out of it. After a few heavy breaths I pushed real hard, and there was a sudden splashing sound. Then I felt as if immediately reaching high heavens. You know what it reminded me? Yes, "sex" it was. Heavy, satisfying climax, shooting out my high-pressure internal load into the face of the big free world. I had been working up to it for at least two weeks, so it made me super amazingly joyful.

----- However the obvious connection to "sex" did not cease to excite my little mind. Immediately I run down to the shop for a huge bunch of flowers. Placed it next to my beautiful lover and kissed her porcelain-wite skin all over. "I do really love you". I said to her. "You made me feel so happy. You are the source of my joy. " Every time I shot my load into her beautiful white body I felt like this. But it was the first time I bought her flowers. Until that time she always just looked and old, crackly toilet bowl to me. How wrong I had always been. She is actually a "woman"!

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To get back to ordinary life, it never ceases to amaze me how women of the world are being worshiped up to high Heavens. This seems like the institutionalized, official madness of our whole present condemned, dark world. Just shocking, mindblogging, fucking amazing. Everything: "Women, women, women. ". Why, why, why? When all they do is receiving our dirty, smelly excrements right out of our fat bodies, implanted into their own smelly bodies.

Is it worth all the fuss about them? It seems to me that "us" the sex-tourists are the only ones who look at them for what they really are: Mere recepticles of our own decaying internal discharges. Does this deserve all the madness about them? We could all have as many as we ever wanted IF we "men" could just unite for this single, noble purpose and put down the fights among us. Our fighting is what makes us slaves. (I know you knew that.)

So, there was plenty on my little mind while setting out to discover "the sex in Surin". Now you know the reason. Simply, justice and pride.

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Surin Thailand 2008

1. / General

Surin, located just another few hours busride from Khorat (180kms/3-4 hrs, see separate posting) is another lovely Isaan town with friendly locals and reasonable sex-action. Lacking the crowds and madness of Pattaya and Bangkok, indeed it will keep a dedicated sex-tourist interested for a couple of days.

And of course the keyword is "Cultural Sextourism" here. So many interesting things to do while in the region and sex only being as the way to keep ourselves free from female slavery. If you are full, they cannot control you any more. No surprise, that's why they hate sex-tourists so much. We refuse to serve them and refuse to fight each other for them. Sex-tourists do love peace. That's what we love.

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2. / Travel

Surin railway station is right in the city center with some connections to Bangkok, Khorat and Ubonracahatani. While services are not particularly frequent, the short run to Ubon is particularly convenient, taking just 2 hours by express diesel car. The bus station is also nearby and central. However Surin does not have many convenient bus services to anywhere, except to Khorat. There are a few departures but rather infrequent and timetables are only verbal by station staff. If you can find them.

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3. / Accomodation, food, miscellaneous issues

The cheapest hotel is possibly the old one right in front of the train station, 200B rooms. Some pricier but more quality ones with swimming pool just a short walk away, near the bus terminal, 800B and up. Plus a lot more hotels inside town, just a bit further. While locating food during the day is easiest near the railway. A bit further away, the Surin nightmarket is great in the evenings. Varied, cheap and delicious. What's more, there are two of them. Surin is worth a visit just for the food!

*** Elephants ***

While most people associate this town with elephants, it is unlikely you will come across any in the city during most of the year. One good time to see them is the annual Elephant Festival, however hotel prices increase three times and still all booked out this time. Regarding safety, you will notice the unusual high number of stray, dirty wagrants and drunks (male and female). Especially near the railway. Not really so many but still shows the powerty of the area. Yet, most of the time Surin is okay like any Thai city.

*** Farang ***

If you desire to meet other farangs (why would you? But just in case), there is a lively local cafe/bar population of them, mostly concentrated to a couple of restaurants near the bus station. You might even be surprised how many. Despite of this, there is a general strange feeling in Surin (indeed a strange feeling), as actual communication between Thais and westerners is very little. Thais will assume that you speak zero Thai and keep using hand signs all the time. When you see farang mixing with Thai is is mostly when one lone westerner man entertaining about 10-12 Thais (his extended family? ) in some restaurant. Apart from this, there is quite a bit of hustling from taxis everywhere. Sometimes it feels like Cambodia. (But really not that bad. No Khmers around, luckily.)

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4. / Surin Nightlife and Puss-puss

Account of one particular visit: It is easy to find tuktuks in Surin near the train station, just about any time. This is a smallish town and transport prices moderate. We agreed in 40B to look around, 40 to come back and 40 for waiting. After taking a few turns we drove towards Buriram, on #226 Hwy.

*** 280 B hookers ***

On one side there is a large entertainment place with live music, called "Kenjan" pub (sign only in Thai). Right opposite on the other side of the road is a small block of about 4-5 brothels (some open, others closed). Action starts quite late here, like 8-9pm. Mamasan seemed surprised by the farang at the first one. However price still just 280B, even for farang, no overcharging. I believe this must be the actual local price. Quality nothing to brag about, so I went to look at the others. Same-same. Finally found one younger looking chick for 400B.

The scene is more interesting than the fuck. Just being there and experiencing it is the thrill. And everybody is so nice. After this, returning to the train, I went to take a look at Surin's only soapie, the famous "Rozkwin". (More general info bits about soapies in BKK/Massage parlours section, posting on 1. 9. 08).

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*** Soapie Action ***

Being attached to the large Tong Tarin Hotel. They have one fishbowl with the display inside 3 women on the left for 1000B, three women on the right for 1300B, some young pretty chickens on the outside for 1700B. These looked allright. I picked a very tall, slim wearing some striped blue dress. Quite attractive. Papasan walking over to her and discussing something. After then returning to me and saying that this one costs 1900B! I just left it at that. Already had my fun for the day, anyway. (As I said, it is not just the sex, but the feeling of not being slave to women and seeing them sold for cash).

At the cheap brothels, the quality is not much worse as Soi Yoksad in Pattaya. But you don't have to chat with them (but you can if you want). Just point and pay. I wasn't hungry any more, so I said to the nice papasan boss- "It is not important. " and left. Interesting night anyway. And the night food market was a total winner. Surin is okay, just a nice, relaxing town. But it also has some things to do at night too. Worth having a look.

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[QUOTE=That Asshole]Surin big-sex story

some young pretty chickens on the outside for 1700B. These looked allright. I picked a very tall, slim wearing some striped blue dress. Quite attractive. Papasan walking over to her and discussing something. After then returning to me and saying that this one costs 1900B! I just left it at that.
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I would have paid money to see the papasan's face when you walked out, obviously the discussion was about jacking up the price to what he perceived you would pay.
Willo

[QUOTE=Fish N Chips][QUOTE=Oosik1]Chok dee khup, MeatMan. I think you will be very happy staying there. You will find the staff very friendly.....especially with a tip or two. :) QUOTE]

Hey Guys

Going to make my first trip to Udon this November can any one give me an e-mail address, PIC, Directions to the Tom Koon Hotel?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

It is the TON (not TOM) Koon Hotel. Google Ton Koon Hotel or Udon Thani hotels. Say hi to the gals next door and have lots of sanuk. By the way, one of the front desk ladies (all of whom are very friendly) has the look of being half farang. She is quite lovely, and very friendly. She is the product of the USA military stationed in Udon Thani. She has never seen or heard from her father who apparently is in Tennessee with his Amercan family now. She is single (divorced) and has one child, I think. If you are looking for a wife candidate, she is top drawer in my book, although I did not date her....just was friends with her.

Hello,

I have been in udon in july. Tong is closed and moved to a new location. Many ladyboys , so beware a little bit if you are not up to this. Tong himself is a strange character. Famous among the local farang community. Udon offers much but you either need a guide who speak english or improve your own thai or laos. Many oppertunities but leave a pattaya attitude home.

Toon Koon hotel and yellow bird disco great places too ( beware of thai boys or thai boyfriends).

Wolverine gogo is a dull rip off place/ Avoid at any cost.

Ron Star

[QUOTE=MeatMan]Udon Thani Ain't bad guys!.

Having spent a couple of days at the Ton Koon Hotel, the staff were friendly. I would recommend this place to just about anyone. I'll go out on a limb and say that I am Black-American so, I definitely stuck out like a sore thumb and honestly I did feel somewhat uneasy.

The Karaoke girls?. I can honestly say that when they sing, hardly no one listens!.

I had a good massage from a 28 year old Thai-Lao girl who had the sweetest voice that would make a gay man go straight!. Location is off to the left and the sign is in green so, ya can't miss it.

Have you guys in Mr Tongs bar? Very popular with freelancers.The location is just right across the street from Robinsons/Chareonsri Center. I'd recommend it! Had a cute little spinner who never been with a black guy. Let just say she went home a *very* happy woman!. :D

Off to Laos guys!

[b]MeatMan[/b][/QUOTE]

Around a week ago I visited Udon Thani again with some Thai colleagues. They enjoyed themselves adequately in the Sois (Sow Fie Dang and Soi 2), which were open inspite of the presence in town of that Austin Mini driving princess. We know she was there because her odd motorcade blocked our way, and we espied her.

For myself however, the visit was a disappointment. Though those two sois were open, and many of the houses have for more and much better looking girls then previously, the two girls I took - one from each soi - provided truely awful service. In Fie Dang the girl refused to do blow job - I had never heard of such a thing. She also refused condomless sex no matter what. This was somewhat less of a surprise, but anyway 300 baht down the drain. An hour later at Soi 2 I paid 500 baht for the girl that the pimp specified would do oral sex (only one out of a staff of a dozen, and not very attractive). She did the disgusting deed, but for the usual Thai three minutes and without any verve or ability like you can hope for with an american prostitute. Persuading her to do condomless cost me another 500 baht, but then she turned out to be one of those tiresome wincers - you know the type who act like sex is a horrible ordeal. So I couldn't finish.

Finally I checked out the farang bar complex which has reopened next to Top Mansion. Nothing worth doing there and of course high prices. At least soft drinks are still reasonable there, unlike Bkk. Ended up back at the hotel and masturbated. On the bright side the hotel was only 250 baht, and the food at Nomi's is excellent.

After 2 nights in BKK, I and my pal took Thai Airways to Khon Kaen. I liked to skip this place and go straight to Udon Thani, but my pal had some good memory from this city a few years back, he insisted to go there. Thai Air one way about 2500 bought from old Bangkok Airport.

We stayed at Kosa Hotel, walk in 1200 bahts. Took 2 rooms. Later we walked around the Sofitel areas and there was a street full of pubs nearby, and it was quiet on weekday. We went into some pubs and had some drinks and my pal started to chat with a semi cute PR girl, and exchanged her number.

Later we made our way to a bar called Rad, I also found a semi cute girl in a group of 3, I appraoched her, and she was friendly, I bought her and her friends some drinks, and slowly I found out she is probably a player, I just asked her directly to stay with me, and she said call her at 12, and gave me her number.

We went back and checked the Kosa massage parlour, all unattractive, maybe too late. The sideliners were quoted 1700, and 2000, not worth it at all. I called the Rad girl at 11:30, and asked her to come to my room, she showed up 30 min later.

A local Issan girl but with very white skin, I did not need to ask anything, just started hugging and started taking off her dress. She was very tight, maybe a new worker. Very brief bbbj, she said she doesn't like, stayed till about 3AM, then dressed to go, said need to go school tommorrow, I gave her 2000, she said thanks and gave me a wai and left, and told me to call her again.

Meanwhile my pal hunted in the bar area, and took home some student semi-pro girl for ST 1500. The first PR girl he chatted at the first club also called him at 2 AM, but he had finished his deeds, so leave her for next time.

Khon Kaen seems like lots of girls in bars and clubs are all working part time, even all the student girls there are willing to go for some pocket money if they like you.

Wow, 2,000 baht for overnight in Khon Kaen? Isn't that the price in Bangkok?

I was willing to get out Khon Kaen but when traveling with another pal, need to make some compromise. He wanted to stay one more night. That means we have one less night in Udon and maybe Nong Khai.

In the afternoon, we checked out the Kosa massage again, only about 6 standard and 5 sidelines. No interest for all. But the papasan promised to show us beautiful college girls later in our room. Told us about 8PM, he will arrange girls to show us.

After dinner at the shopping, papasan called us and told us to wait in the room, some other guy took 2 girls to our room, one was quite ok, face soso, but nice figure, so I took her at 2000. My friend wanted to see more girl, so the pimp arranged another 2 to come after 20 min to his room, he did not get any from the pimp papa, and went on to hunt on his own at bar street.

The girl was college girl, part timer, still very tight, but very inexperienced, some bbbj, the sex was boring, the only good thing is she is very fresh to me, thats it for KK, out tommorrow. Amazing how many part time college workers in this city.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]Amazing how many part time college workers in this city.[/QUOTE]

Not really when you consider that their customers are almost exclusively well-off Thais so it isn't nearly so unpleasant as having to sleep with farangs. Farang customers are a rarity for these girls. Also keep in mind that a lot of Thai college girls only recieve a few thousand baht per month in allowance from their parents - that enormous fee you're paying, even if they only get half, is a big boost to the monthly budget. (Male students typically recieve a much larger allowance).

Opebo is right, 2000 bahts is amazing sum here in upcountry. I think these fresh college girls mostly deal with rich Thai guys as Opebo said, and I think they don't get too many customers from they way they act and still enjoy sex.

We met some Thai guys in a bar in Khon Kaen, he said these delivery college girls charge 1500-2000 even to Thai customers, some cutie even more than that, and the pimp usually get 300-500 for a delivery. 2000 is quite expensive for these part of country, but these part time college workers only deal with rich Thais especially the ones out of town and sometimes foriegn customers, but rare I think.

There are also unattractive delivery girls in Khon Kaen for 1000 or less, and girls from lady houses or local cheap karaokes for 800-1000 ST, but these young and cuter ones sell around 2000 to Thais as well. So I confirmed this with some local guy in a bar. But 2000 bahts is hard to get a fresh gal in Bangkok, I think in BKK, cuter college part timers are rarely on the market, mostly have sponsors or exclusively deal with high end Thai market. So its still cheaper than BKK in this sense.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]I was willing to get out Khon Kaen but when traveling with another pal, need to make some compromise. He wanted to stay one more night. That means we have one less night in Udon and maybe Nong Khai.

In the afternoon, we checked out the Kosa massage again, only about 6 standard and 5 sidelines. No interest for all. But the papasan promised to show us beautiful college girls later in our room. Told us about 8PM, he will arrange girls to show us.

After dinner at the shopping, papasan called us and told us to wait in the room, some other guy took 2 girls to our room, one was quite ok, face soso, but nice figure, so I took her at 2000. My friend wanted to see more girl, so the pimp arranged another 2 to come after 20 min to his room, he did not get any from the pimp papa, and went on to hunt on his own at bar street.

The girl was college girl, part timer, still very tight, but very inexperienced, some bbbj, the sex was boring, the only good thing is she is very fresh to me, thats it for KK, out tommorrow. Amazing how many part time college workers in this city.[/QUOTE]Hi,

"That means we have one less night in Udon and maybe Nong Khai"

Stay put ...At the moment the Mekong has overflowed and some of Nong Khai is underwater. Nong khai is not a great mongering destination, better off in Udon.

Good luck!

Pedro917

Great reports about a relatively unknown scene, RCAKnight. I've tried precisely that type of girl in another central Isaan college town - Maha Sarakham - and reported on it. The price there seemed to be 1,500, though that was a year or so back.

We arranged a mini van from some travel agent near Kosa Hotel, took us to Udon for 800 bahts, 1.5 hour drive.

We stayed Charoensi Grand, reserved online for 1250. Some bell boys wanted to get ladies for us, but we refused and wanted to explore ourselves.

After dinner, we walked into the lady house soi, it was not like before, most houses are closed, and some opened ones heavily guarded by bunch of pimps and some are quite mean looking, we checked out these few open houses.

The standard has gone down, mostly chubby little girls, we could not find anyone sexy enough in several houses, then we walked back to the main street, then a pimp wanted to take us to see more girls, so we followed him into a soi, its like a ST hotel establishment in some dark soi, and told us to wait in the parking of the ST hotel.

2 min later, he and other boys brought four girls on motocycles for us to see, they are all okay, not spetacular, I picked one, my pal wanted to see more, so 2 min later, they changed another 4, and he also picked one, all are doable but nothing to be excited, price 800 for my friend, and they said my gal is 1000, a new comer, and we wanted to go back to our hotel, okay, they said will deliver to us in 15 min, so we took tuk tuk back first.

They delivered to my room in about 10 min. My girl was shy and obvious very fresh from Laos, she gave me bbbj, and gradually I feel a strong burning sensation on my dickhead, then I feel more and more burning, she told me she ate spicy somtam, crap, i had to go to shower to wash off my somtam spice off my dick, then went back to screw her, it was enjoyable, very fresh indeed, soaking wet for 1000 bahts. Thats good enough.

Gave her extra 200 for more somtam. That was my first night.

This Thai country is so convienient to get ladies. Every tuk tuk driver, samlor conductor, hotel bellboy, front desk, karaoke mamasan and papasan, night club concierges or doormen ect, all will get ladies for you, you just wait in the hotel room for lineup to show up, what other country has this convinience.

The hotel bellboy has been bugging us for 2 days, he kept promising beautiful young ladies to us. We told him to bring them over. I think he asked his friend to bring ladies over. First lineup 4 girls, all Thais girls, all under 20 and school kids according to them, actually they are all doable, but I only interested in one, my pal wanted to see more, the pimp man said okay and asked for 40 bahts gasoline fee, so I kept one of the girls. The guy wanted 2000, but I pretend I won't pay and want to see how much they go down, I said I only pay 1500,then the lady discussed with him,i guess about commission, they both refused and quite firm said 1800 at least, I agreed, just pretend I care for this few hundred bahts.

Then we waited for next lineup, 15min later,he came back with another 3 ladies, 1 of them is really cute even in my tough standard, my pal was drooping allover already, and he showed his weakness,then the pimp saw my pal was getting hard on and tried to scam him 2500, and said this one new comer and never worked, but I told him to hold firm,same price or nothing, we won, 1800 a piece, ladies later said commsion to the pimp 400 each and the pimp has to give 200 to the bellboy.

My lady was Thai local girl, not Lao lady, again she said she is school girl and only work about once a week or less. I can tell she has such a low milege, a little thrust into pussy make her moan like a virgin and wet with dripping cum.

Her body was my taste,slender and some tits, some bbbj, but her teeth was hurting my dick, very inexperinced, very girlfriendly, she likedto hug, and like to be fingered,so still very amature.

My pal received a Lao girl, very beautiful, almost no English,so after thier act, they came to my room and she told me in Thai she is student in Vientiane and come over only on weekends to work, she doesn't look like the brothel girl, and after the sex,both girls are not in hurry to go, I was thinking to pound the Lao girl, my hidden desire became known to her easily, she agreed, while my pal sent the other girl down stairs.

The Lao girl is still very young, the body was so silky, pinkish both up and down there, the body proportion was amazing, without telling, she started to blow me, I got so horny,and asked her to let me cum in her mouth, she agreed but said no drink ok, I said Ok, she blew me to come in her mouth while licking my head as I cum, not too many workers nowadays do this, unless she is still fresh and naive like this one, or some sex maniac.

I was thinking how to reward her, I asked her to stay over night, but she said she can stay till 1AM, and said her sister waiting in the room, I licked her whole body for a long time, the skin tone was so nice so soft and flexible, have not licked this level for a long time,I gave her 2000 for her tuition and scholarship.

What a good life here in some third world upcountry, just sit in the hotel room, and all kinds of people competing to bring you lineups after lineups of girls, all young and so fresh.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]This Thai country is so convienient to get ladies. Every tuk tuk driver, samlor conductor, hotel bellboy, front desk, karaoke mamasan and papasan, night club concierges or doormen ect, all will get ladies for you, you just wait in the hotel room for lineup to show up, what other country has this convinience.
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What a good life here in some third world upcountry, just sit in the hotel room, and all kinds of people competing to bring you lineups after lineups of girls, all young and so fresh.[/QUOTE]

RCA Knight,
A good report, tempts me to explore that area next time I am in LOS.
What sort of place/area did you stay? Any names?

"Delivery hotel" reminds me of the Tokyo scene for which you gave me some directions. Thanks for that. But I was very disappointed to say the least though. I commented at that time that Japan should be very service orientated country. I was so wrong. Anyway I can hear some hardened readers whispering "this IS the Thailand thread"... :)

Cheers

Good lord that is some serious price inflation you are abetting in the 'hotel-delivery' scene there, RCAKnight. I've never paid over 1,000 bhat short time for very cute girls in Udon Thani hotel deliveries. (Btw, how can you tell they're wet if you're wearing a condom?)

Do keep in mind, Need More Gas and others considering the trip - service is almost always abominable upcountry. If you can get off only on eye candy you'll do ok, but if you require any kind of decent service you'll be terribly frustrated by the trip.

In every Issan Town, every hotel bell boy or hotel front desk clerk will get you ladies 24 hours a day. In Udon Thani, the under 1000 Bahts girls are mostly from the brothels and mostly lady Laos. They are connected with tuk tuk drivers and hotel bellboys.

The Thai younger and cuter ones and many are local school girls go around 1500-2000, and medocre ones as Opebo said sell 1000 or less, and the bellboy always said to me he also knows some super cutie school girls but wanted 2500, never interested seeing them, when the pimp bring a lineup of 3 or 4, the price may vary as well, its a market economy, the cuter one seems want more, and not willing to give too much commission to the pimp.

If you are looking for under 1000 bahts or even 500 bahts delivery girls, just ask any tuk tuk driver in town or any hotel bell boy to bring you a whole bunch of mediocre chubby little lady Laos, but if you specify you want slender cuter young babes, normally the rate is higher, because the girl herself want to sell more, even lady Laos have different pricings, the younger cuter ones or new comers always sell more, not really the pimp want more commission.

I stayed in many hotels here before, like Charoensi Grand, Charoen hotel, Udon Hotel, Toon Koon Hotel, Karin Hotel ect ect, all hotel staff are very willing to bring you ladies, and every single tuk tuk in town will bring you ladies to your room.

About japanese hotel health, to me, I had in my life countless sessions in Tokyo, Sapporo, and Kansai, but I never had a failed session, all girls are generally very GF and very much accommodating. I think most experts in this field in Japan forum feel the same.

PS. Not all Lao or Thai girl will feel easy with foriegners In Udon Thani, most of them are not used to see any type of foreign customers, the past I had girls that were so shy with foriegners, and wanted to leave, or some scared just lied in bed grinding the teeth, so be observant and try to see which one feel more relaxed with you.

It seems the p4p in this town is well structured. Personally I dont mind spending 2000+bht as that is the amount I would be required to spend in BKK. But I understand the Opebo's concern. Once the price goes up to that level and established at that level, it is unlikely to come down. And that would hurt Opebo. ;)

As for Japan scene IIkebukuro, Tokyo), and as for the provider named Saki, she looked stunning. I would give a 10/10 as far as her face goes. But when I saw her body, I was struggling to get a hard-on. Besides that it was Mother's day. Saki said she wanted to see her mother early that night. It cost me 15,000JPY (some 150USD) for such a feeble session. Next time...

[QUOTE=Need More Gas]It seems the p4p in this town is well structured. Personally I dont mind spending 2000+bht as that is the amount I would be required to spend in BKK. But I understand the Opebo's concern. Once the price goes up to that level and established at that level, it is unlikely to come down. And that would hurt Opebo. ;)[/QUOTE]

Not so much, as I only rarely monger in Udon Thani anymore, due to the poor service. Service upcountry is usually abominable.

I was told by my female rental car driver that the Full Moon bar or karaoke (not sure which) is a very good place to find good looking girls in Udon Thani. Has anyone been there?

By the way, I have had very good luck with the lady drivers I hire to chauffeur me around in new places. Rent a car and driver for 2 days and you can end up with not only a car and driver, but a warm body for overnight.

The Full Moon bar is a hostess bar type of establishment. All local Thai girls, and they don't go with you at Opebo's price, I have been there once, and these hostess go for at least 1500 and cuter ones want 2000-2500, not worth it. I heard only weekend nights are busy with more part time workers.

The afternoon, we ventured into the lowest of low lady house alley, soi Fai Deng, Opebo must love the pricing here, its 100-200 more than before, still 300-400 bahts in filthy pig sty room, bathroom outside, and run the risk of losing your walet when you step outside to the rain dripping shower room to clean your dick, we just took a walk looked around, and most houses were closed, some pimps invited us in, and still most of them are not attractive, maybe the atmosphere make them even look worse, but I found one that was quite okay, and papasan said just arrived 1 week ago, and wanted 500.

I asked him to take out to hotel, but the papasan refused this one, said afraid of trouble, but most others are okay to take out, but no one attractive, and most of them looked sad, so would be terrible sex I can imagine, we left.

Later we checked out the Udon Hotel's masage, there were 3 in fish tank section and 5 in sideline, sell for 1700 in sideline, no one was worth the price, but papasan said he has a very cute girl, but he has to call, but price 2500,
i told him if I don't like I won't take, he said no problem, about 20 min later she came, the body was really nice but face so so, we won't take her, we left again.

Went to eat and saw some Olympic and took a nap, then we decided to go disco hunt for freelancers. We went to High Tech, its a huge bar disco entertainment area with many bars and disco, we shop around different bars, and saw many many potential freelancers.

Very late hour, outside the bars, I talked some girls, and one of them was quite okay, white skin and nice body, she was with 3 other girls, all looking for some pocket money I thought so, asked her to go back with me, she asked me if I give her tip, I said okay, she said 2000, but I said I paid 1500 all the times, she was okay as well, left my pal behind the disco and took a tuk tuk back.

The Udon's disco have lots of girl groups, all looking for some pocket money, but be careful to see if there is any Thai guy accompany them, I would think in any Udon disco, girl 2-3 in groups are all available with some money.

My girl said she was from Nong Khai the border area, but Thai national. Quite accommodating, gave me good bbbj, and let me lick her nice pussy, after sex, she took me to a night market to eat some noodle, and stayed with me till next noon, gave me 2 shots, I gave her extra 500. It was a nice finale.

Bye bye Udon Thani, back to the real financial chaos in the real world.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]Bye bye Udon Thani, back to the real financial chaos in the real world.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for these informative and entertaining updates RCA Knight. Good luck in the real world!

[QUOTE=Oosik1]I was told by my female rental car driver that the Full Moon bar or karaoke (not sure which) is a very good place to find good looking girls in Udon Thani. Has anyone been there?[/QUOTE]
Full Moon DID have some cute girls. Alas, it was closed by the Authorities :(

[QUOTE=El Culion]Full Moon DID have some cute girls. Alas, it was closed by the Authorities :([/QUOTE]

Now I must ask WHY?

[QUOTE=Oosik1]Now I must ask WHY?[/QUOTE]Full Moon in Udon Thani was open when I was there July 10 and 11. I talked to the owner at that time and it sounded like she was staying. There had been rumors of her selling. If it closed, it has closed since July 11.

[QUOTE=Paul2020]Full Moon in Udon Thani was open when I was there July 10 and 11. I talked to the owner at that time and it sounded like she was staying. There had been rumors of her selling. If it closed, it has closed since July 11.[/QUOTE]
Oops! Sorry, for spreading false information. When I left Udon in May it was alive and kicking but I got the information from somebody who has just returned from Udon.

I called a local friend to check and he confirmed what Paul2020’s said. It hadn’t closed but the owner wanted to sell to move to Australia.

I red a lot of reports how to find gogo bars in Khorat and fun in Khon kaen.

I was in Khorat and Kohn Kaean August 18-19 (2008)

Beleive me. There is NOTHING TO FIND in Khorat (we where there August 10). I stayed "in the middle of the sex" namely Khorat Hotel.

Opposite Khorat hotel was Nothing!

At the central park NOTHING can be find at the evening (noboddy on the street at all! )

Only at some hotels (also at the Khorat hotel) there are clubs where you can talk with ladies and buy drinks and maybe maybe after a lot og money you can take them out. I asked all different names of gogo bars found on this site but one was closed and the other was a massage parlour.

Same (boaring) counts for Khon Kaen, should be "a scene at the Sofitel making the trip worth a visit". Beleive me. There is a big disco for younger once left of the Sofitel and at the.1 level again an empty bar where you can put your wallet far open to talk with a girl but nothing to see, also not on the street.

A waist of time.

In Pattaya I fall over the streetwalkers at the boulevard, already at 2 pm. And in the sun tou could see that there are pretty once also.

Also a lot of fun in gogo bars for 40-55 bath a beer and naked pussies in Pattaya. Bangkok was boaring and much more expensive (90-120 bath a drink).

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You are right Andre Cuipers - Issan is awful for mongering, and the only people who should do it is those of us who are stuck here and sometimes can't get to Pattaya for a while. It makes little sense to travel to the Northeast - there is simply nothing worth having there.

Just the other night I was at a very poor and ratty brothel in Isaan - I won't say precisely where - and the girl I'd seen months before was out, so I took one who was a surprisingly attractive 35 year old. Everyone else in there was much older. The normal price for the hags was 300 baht, but this one demanded 500. She then insisted on a condom, which I tried briefly - how do you gentlemen withstand such things? I could not feel a thing and certainly could not attain an orgasm, even after extended insensate banging.

Finally I had to resort to the humilation of a hand job to get my 500 baht's worth. The impertinent creature even had the nerve to ask repeated for a 'tip', holding out her greedy hand! I can assure you brothers that she did not get one.. if only I could have retrieved some of my lost funds wasted on this horrible experience.

This is the sort of thing one finds in Issan - the only ones who would blow you are old hideous hags, and even 30-somethings think they're 'the shit'. Pretty young girls are available for huge prices of course (1,500-2,500), but the service is abominable. The only place which offers anything even slightly better is Udon Thani, where attractive youngish Lao girls are available for 300-500, but there as well the almost unbelievably bad service makes an orgasm unlikely, and any sensual pleasure impossible.

Stick to Pattaya while it lasts, brothers.

[QUOTE=Opebo]
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This is the sort of thing one finds in Issan - the only ones who would blow you are old hideous hags, and even 30-somethings think they're 'the shit'. Pretty young girls are available for huge prices of course (1,500-2,500), but the service is abominable.

Stick to Pattaya while it lasts, brothers.[/QUOTE]

Obepo sir,
While I appreciate your comments as to how bad their services are in the northeast even for an equivalent payment to BKK, is there any chance that you can post some example photos of "hideous" women as you describe? I suppose "hideous" means "hideous". But I just need to get an idea, so that I wont waste my time visiting that area.

Cheers

I heard that a guy who used to spend his time in Khon Kaen with lots of bargain ladies around has now moved on to live in Phnom Phen which is even cheaper. Maybe Khon Kaen has gone downhill or maybe he just became too well known.
I haven't mongered in Khon Kaen myself (except for a Khon Kaen girl that I already knew), so its only heresay.

[QUOTE=Need More Gas]Obepo sir,
While I appreciate your comments as to how bad their services are in the northeast even for an equivalent payment to BKK, is there any chance that you can post some example photos of "hideous" women as you describe? I suppose "hideous" means "hideous". But I just need to get an idea, so that I wont waste my time visiting that area.[/QUOTE]

Well, I never take a photo. I'm a 'live in the moment' kind of guy - perhaps because most of my moments are best forgotten!

But they are quite unattractive, and few make up for it with a winning personality - the fake friendliness level is far, far less in Issan than in Pattaya. The girls are a lot more like hookers back home - cold, hard, and mean. To be fair, even though I'm a skeptic and find most Thai friendless to be fake, I think the girls in Pattaya are much more relaxed, and enjoying life. To live as a prostitute in a town of prostitutes is a lot more comfortable than being one of only a few 'bad girls' in a normal conservative Thai town.

Really though, the insatiably curious should go have a look for themselves, as no one wants to believe it till they see it.

[QUOTE=Opebo]
Well, I never take a photo. I'm a 'live in the moment' kind of guy[/QUOTE]

Ok, you must have well adapted to the Thai way of life then. :o

[QUOTE=Opebo]
perhaps because most of my moments are best forgotten![/QUOTE]

Thanks. That is one way of describing the "hideous". I didnt realise how bad they look/behave. I think Ive got the idea.

[QUOTE=Opebo]
But they are quite unattractive, and few make up for it with a winning personality - the fake friendliness level is far, far less in Issan than in Pattaya. The girls are a lot more like hookers back home - cold, hard, and mean. To be fair, even though I'm a skeptic and find most Thai friendless to be fake, I think the girls in Pattaya are much more relaxed, and enjoying life. To live as a prostitute in a town of prostitutes is a lot more comfortable than being one of only a few 'bad girls' in a normal conservative Thai town.

Really though, the insatiably curious should go have a look for themselves, as no one wants to believe it till they see it.[/QUOTE]

I mean, we men live in/visit a country they haven't got positive views on them, but for cheap pussies and never ending quest for the better services, men go extraordinary lengths to find what they want. Ummm...

Yes, "1 picture is worth a 1000 words" and probably "1 f*** is worth a 1000 pictures" :)

[QUOTE=Opebo]

But they are quite unattractive, and few make up for it with a winning personality - the fake friendliness level is far, far less in Issan than in Pattaya. The girls are a lot more like hookers back home - cold, hard, and mean. To be fair, even though I'm a skeptic and find most Thai friendless to be fake, I think the girls in Pattaya are much more relaxed, and enjoying life. To live as a prostitute in a town of prostitutes is a lot more comfortable than being one of only a few 'bad girls' in a normal conservative Thai town.

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For once Opebo, I disagree with you.

The Isaan women are certainly not as attractive overall as those plying their trade in Pattaya and in general are either less experienced or less willing to perform certain tasks, although far more are prepared to go without a condom.

However, in my experience I have never found them to be cold, hard an mean-rather the opposite. They are mostly fun, not clock watchers, and most are willing to be taught new tricks. On the contrary, Pattaya girls have hardened considerably over the past 20 years, and are now little more than mechanical money grabbers!

As Opebo says, "Stick to Pattaya while it lasts, brothers." I will try very hard to pick up the slack in Esan.

Visited Kosa with a fellow farang instead of Thais and the price was now around 1,700 for the dogs and 2,200 for the fairly pretty 'side girls'. I have no way of knowing if this was the same price for Thais. Of course nothing there was worth that money, though there were many more girls than on previous visits.

I went to Ceasar instead where the prices are prominently posted on the walls for all to see (even farangs can read Roman numerals). Though the girls are very slightly less good looking at least 1,200 baht all in for a 'soapy' isn't too ridiculous. Flabby ugly old hag though, but decent BJ and BBFS. The impertinent hit me up for tips quite a bit afterwards though, which rather spoiled the feeling of post-insemination satisfaction. How is it a tip if it is demanded petulantly? More of a shakedown, particularly when the standard price is somewhat excessive in itself.

Checked out the small soi of brothels near downtown and though they may quote ridiculous prices initially (1,000 or even more), they will generally come down to the 'real' farang price - 500 short time. Who knows what Thai working-men may pay. Some cute girls on the soi this time - I really should have taken but felt unsure what the service would be like. I recall on previous visits being disappointed.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Checked out the small soi of brothels near downtown and though they may quote ridiculous prices initially (1,000 or even more), they will generally come down to the 'real' farang price - 500 short time. Who knows what Thai working-men may pay. Some cute girls on the soi this time - I really should have taken but felt unsure what the service would be like. I recall on previous visits being disappointed.[/QUOTE]Thai men paid between 100 baths and 500 baths, the standard price tend to be 200/300 bahts.

I'm actualy in had yai and paid this price to local chicken, this price includes BBBJ or BJ depend the girl, fj with condom and room price.

To Channy:
Interesting, Channy. Very rare to get a BJ in a small brothel in Isaan - service usually overall abysmal. When I was in Hat Yai I could not find any small or cheap brothels.

More on Khon Kaen:

On another day tried Princess Massage, within a 5-10 minute walk of Kosa, in the Princess-something Hotel. Most girls only 1,000 baht, and a few 1,200 baht, so a better value than other's I've tried in this town, but most of the girls were old and not tempting. There were however about three decent ones, particularly if you don't mind 30 year olds. I took one for 1,000. Good BBBJ, and for much longer than the usual 5 minutes, but BBFS was not to be had, alas. Ignominious handjob completion was the order of the day.

I boomeranged back to Khon Kaen recently, where I tried Kosa in spite of my better judgement. There the prices had changed again - this time 2,000 for the top girls. One of them really was quite pretty, so I tried it. Alas, covered blowjob made the experience worthless. There are some girls there who will give BBBJ, but it seems CBJ is becoming more and more common. Definitely a place to avoid, especially considering the offensive prices.

I next took a stroll down the small brothel soi, where there were quite a few attractive 20-25ish girls working. I felt that they were really unfriendly however, some turning away as I passed, and one even waving me away while making a comment to her coworker. Of course the older and uglier ones did run out to grab me, originally quoting 1,000 baht, but quickly dropping to 500 when I made a grimace and turned to go. I didn't take here as the atmosphere seemed discouraging.

Finally around 11:00 PM I took a tuk-tuk to the main bus station (not the 'air-con bus station, the other one. A bit of a misnomer nowadays when 90%+ of all buses are A/C, but AC bus station means the to-Bangkok one). The one you want is the 'local' bus station, which is the big one. There I was approached by several young pimps, but saw no girls strolling on the park side of the station. One used to see them here, now only pimps. These boys offered to take me on their motorbikes to girls, but I declined. After a minutes stroll round the corner however I came upon their three charges, and the boys followed me on motorbike. I chose the best looking of the three - the only remotely decent one - and 500 was agreed to very redily.

The boy offered to take us on his motorbike to a short-time hotel - I thought this would be right round the corner, but no, we went across town, taking a 10 minute ride to 'Playboy' hotel. This is the bungaloe style place common in Issan for sex purposes, and it did provide surprisingly good sex movies on the TV. Price 150, plus 100 that the pimp demanded for the motorbike ride. Finally got down to business with the girl - no BJ at all of course, and though she fished the dreaded instrument out of her purse, I managed with little effort to pursuade her to allow BBFS. Verytiresome humping, typical Isaan starfish.

Another tale of poor service. Mongers, the town is not recommended.

Hi all!

I know several places in I-San and especially in the Udon Thani and Nong Khai provinces. In my humble opinion, local "available" girls are prettier than those working in Pattaya or in Bangkok for a long time because they are in average younger, look more "natural" (not too much make-up), and dress themselves more conservatively. To really take advantage of and appreciate the local scene, one has to speak some Thai (or even better, the local dialect which is not much different than the Lao language) as very few girls (with the exception of young university students and. P4P girls back from Pattaya, Bangkok and other touristic areas! ) understand English.

I usually avoid the local students and girls having a "normal" occupation like the plague when I monger: too much trouble and a higher cost sooner or later. Unless you want to find a long-term companion or are ready to pay ridiculously high prices for a shag, you should do the same.

Most of the regular (I mean "not occasional" here) P4P girls in Udon Thani and Nong Khai provinces are Laotians. They usually come from small villages and are not much educated.

You can find them in several places (beer bars, brothels, karaoke clubs, in the street, etc.). Brothels often have my preference because they are usually convenient and cheap (but the comfort is minimal to say the least in most establishments).

Prices used to be lower, but nowadays, a farang (= Westerner) who can find these places by himself (= who comes not accompanied by a local) should not pay more than 500 baht in most of these places (basic room included), but it is only 300 or 400 baht where I go usually, and I've found several real gems there. For instance, in the city of Udon Thani, on Adunyadet Road, it's not very difficult to find the brothels. Almost all the houses in the "soi" (= small street) #2 are brothels. I am a regular in one of those and I pay only 300 baht, but 400 baht is now the "normal" price for Westerners in this area (you might be asked a higher price. 500 baht for instance. But if you smile, stay quiet, and explain that you know the normal prices, you will easily obtain a lower quotation). I saw Thai men paying 300 baht in these places. You may try to directly give only 300 hundred baht. If it's not enough, you will be asked for more and you can still gently argue that you know other places where it's only 300 baht (yes, they exist! ) even for Farang men.

Another place where you can find brothels is in a soi called "Soi Fai Deng" which is located very near the main CAT International Telephone office on Wattana Nuwong Road. Normal price for foreigners there is 300 baht in all brothels and you can have two "shots" for 500 baht in most places (but negotiate it in advance, not after the first shot, it's better). I've done that several times with girls who are really enthusiastic performers (anal and BBBJ+cim were on the menu). In this little street too, almost all "houses" are brothels.

Both above mentioned areas are usually opened the whole day, and that's why I think it's very convenient (not to mention the fact that you won't lose time there with various bullshits: straight to the point it is! ).

A less known place opens only at (approximately) 7pm. I am not sure about the closure time, but it's probably around 2am. It's located on Prajak Road, on the left side of the road when you are coming from the Clock Tower on your way to the train station (for instance), 20 or 30 meters after a shop that sells musical instruments. The normal price there is 300 baht (locals pay only 250 baht) and you can also have two shots for 500 baht.

Quality of the girls (beauty, performance, attitude, personality.) greatly varies from place to place. In average, girls are prettier than those working in Pattaya or Bangkok IMHO. Often, they are only 18 or 19-year old; 20 to 23-years old look like "veterans" in most establishments, but especially in the Soi Fai Deng, you can meet older girls (around 30 to 35-years old for instance) but they are not numerous. It's funny to notice that you often will find the same kind of girls in a brothel: older girls in one establishment, cutest girls (but usually not the best performers alas) in another one as if each house has its "specialty" (the most significant example of this is one brothel that I know in Nong Khai where almost all the girls have pretty impressive natural breasts, at least for Asian girls! ).

Sure, some girls will only let you do them "missionary" style (it's a shame that it is the case in one brothel where you can regularly find a few real stunners, but alas, of the starfish category! ). Bareback blow job is not that uncommon nowadays in I-San, but you may need to promise the girl an "incentive". Making her swallow your cum is certainly far more difficult to obtain especially if the girl is quite new at the job (older / more experienced girls would more likely consent). It's not difficult though to find a street worker (on Prajak Road, near the train station) who can do that for 200 or 300 baht after 10pm. A great majority (but not all) of them are ugly.

Anal is possible in brothels (you will need a lot of lubricant and patience in most cases, but it's not a rarity anymore). Strangely enough, I usually have better luck with slimmer girls and they seem to really enjoy anal sex once they have tried it. I sometimes have to do several attempts (in 3 or 4 encounters for instance) before the girl is relaxed enough for a frenetic anal sex session, but it's worth the time spent IMHO.

Some girls (but probably not the majority of them though) are OK for having "uncovered" sex (without condom) but it's not something that I do with hookers (except for blow jobs).

French kissing is not a common practice in I-San (it is not unusual in Pattaya, Bangkok and other more touristic area), but some girls will do it or are willing to learn it. It's a big turn-on for me (almost more efficient than a blow job! ) and I try to teach the local girls as often as I can. But it requires patience too. Start first with sniff-kisses (you plant your nose on your girl's cheek and gently sniff in) before trying to gently kiss her mouth with your lips (no tongue involved at the beginning: you can try it little by little if she's receptive).

About the tip that I may give, it depends greatly of the girl's attitude. Nothing for a starfish, but between 100 and 300 hundred baht in brothels (200 or 300 baht are usually sufficient as an incentive, even for anal or BBBJ+cim: if a specific girl won't do it for this amount, another will consent! ). I once gave a 200-baht tip to a 22-year old girl (not a stunner, but cute enough, a good 7 on 10 in my book) after a really good session involving anal and BBBJ+cim and she swallowed my cum at the end, and she asked me why I gave her "so much" for her tip (she didn't ask for one)! Great attitude really and she's been my favorite girl for months, but alas, she's back in Laos now.

So, you can have great fun in I-San, but it's certainly easier in Pattaya (for instance) and other touristic area if you don't speak the local dialects or if you need a certain level of comfort. Note that when you are a regular in certain brothels, you even can take a girl there and spend quality time with her at your own place or in a hotel of your choice. I've done that already (prices from 600 to 800 baht for two hours for the "house" and what you want for the girl as her tip). For a whole night, prices are ridiculously high, even for regulars (2500 baht and higher! ), so, I've declined so far! It's way cheaper if you want to spend the night with the same girl in the brothel itself (I was able to do that once for 500 baht because the girl fancy me, it was very late already and she spoke herself with the "mamasan", but I've been told that usually, it's more like 1500 baht on the premises).

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[QUOTE=Goyave]...It's way cheaper if you want to spend the night with the same girl in the brothel itself...[/QUOTE]

Great report Goyave, though I can't imagine spending the whole night in one of those little dumps!

I think your report provides excellent information to mongermen traveling to Udon, but it cannot be stressed enough that the service level in general is much, much lower than in Pattaya. Also it is worth cautioning readers that these little houses are sometimes closed for a few hours to a few days and on rare occasions even weeks due to police actions, so it is a bit of a risk coming up. One final critique - the only place there are Lao girls are in secretive houses as on the little sois, protected by the local mafia. All girls who work in any kind of bar, beer bar, kareoke, or on the street, will be Thai, and offer the usual cost/appearance trade off Thais do anywhere - in other words they're either old hags or very expensive.

Kudos to you for getting anal however - I usually found it very difficult to get a BJ or BBFS in those places, much less anal.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Great report Goyave, though I can't imagine spending the whole night in one of those little dumps![/QUOTE]Thank you, Opebo. I usually enjoy reading yours (I registered only today, but I regularly read this board for a long time!) too. I just once spend one whole night in one brothel (it was my then favorite girl's last night of work there before coming back to Laos).

[QUOTE=Opebo]I think your report provides excellent information to mongermen traveling to Udon, but it cannot be stressed enough that the service level in general is much, much lower than in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]In general, yes. In Pattaya, you usually don't need to ask for a BBBJ (for instance). Most of the time, the girl will start performing it at the beginning of the session (it has been a common practice in touristic places for a long time). In I-San, it is still considered as an "extra" and you often have to specifically request it and negotiate for it. But fortunately, the situation is improving here.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Also it is worth cautioning readers that these little houses are sometimes closed for a few hours to a few days and on rare occasions even weeks due to police actions, so it is a bit of a risk coming up.[/QUOTE]True again. It has been the case several times in the past (but usually, not all of them are closed at the same time; it may happen too on several other occasions such as a major Buddhist event for instance, and then, all might be closed simultaneously, alas, and sometimes, several days in a row!).

[QUOTE=Opebo]One final critique - the only place there are Lao girls are in secretive houses as on the little sois, protected by the local mafia. All girls who work in any kind of bar, beer bar, kareoke, or on the street, will be Thai, and offer the usual cost/appearance trade off Thais do anywhere - in other words they're either old hags or very expensive.[/QUOTE]It's generally true in the city of Udon Thani itself, but not in the whole province. You can find cute Lao girls for instance in beer bars and karaoke places in smaller towns in the Udon Thani province (but even more often in the Nong Khai province) and for a fair price (not everywhere though). In Udon Thani itself, I've been lucky with a few street workers too who are Thai, but young, pretty, and not very expensive (often cheaper than the freelancers in Pattaya or at the same price). Sure, they are far than being the majority of the visible street workers.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Kudos to you for getting anal however - I usually found it very difficult to get a BJ or BBFS in those places, much less anal.[/QUOTE]Usually, when I select a girl in a specific brothel, I try to make her understand that I will come back often and tip her generously if she's a good performer. If she's not, I won't choose her the next time. If she is, I always do her (till she leaves the place or if she disappoints me later).

For instance, I would go in one specific brothel because I know one girl there who is into anal. And I would go in another one because another girl performs good blow jobs. It's true that is not so easy to find a girl that will fulfill all your requirements but it's possible. I don't request BBFS (but it would have been possible several times, especially when you are a "regular" for one specific girl).

I also try to select girls who are smiling when I enter a brothel (some of them may be prettier, but if they seem to be afraid of this Farang, I won't choose them). It's not "exact science", but it often works. I also avoid the "looking desperate" and "noisy" ones, I mean the ones who would almost beg for you take them. They usually are a big disappointment in the sack once the deal is done (They usually do their best to be noticed for a reason! The best girls don't need to do that...).

I manage to have BBBJ from almost all my regular girls (I won't select again a girl who doesn't do it... unless she's a into anal... or she must be a real stunner, but I probably won't come back several times if it's her sole quality). I always clean my dick very well (I don't say that others don't!) with soap before requesting a BJ and for most of the less experienced girls, it's very important that it smells good too!

I can have anal sex with maybe a third of my regular girls. But it's not always possible on the first "encounter" and as I said in my previous post, it requires patience and a lot of lube. Maybe am I lucky too when I select the girls (in Pattaya, I have an even better success rate on this matter!).

[QUOTE=Goyave]Hi all!

Hi Goyave

Very interesting report. Further info about said whereabouts would be appreciated!

(the most significant example of this is one brothel that I know in Nong Khai where almost all the girls have pretty impressive natural breasts, at least for Asian girls! ).[/QUOTE]Thanks again

Pedro917

[QUOTE=Pedro 917]Hi Goyave

Very interesting report. Further info about said whereabouts would be appreciated!

Thanks again,

Pedro917[/QUOTE]I will give you the exact name of the soi where this brothel is located very soon (I will be in Nong Khai tomorrow), but it's a small street between Prajak and Mechai roads, maybe 300 meters East from the bus station (approximately) and a little bit (a few sois) after the temple Wat Yot Kaeho (if I am not mistaken). I know how to go there, but I don't have a very precise map of Nong Khai at the moment to give you the detailed directions.

Anyway, tomorrow, I will check the exact name of this soi. This brothel opens when the night falls. Better to go there after 8 pm or later (or you won't have too much girls available then).

I'm back from Nong Khai and I can now give you more details to find the famous brothel where almost all girls have pretty impressive natural breasts. This fine establishment is located in a small street called "Soi Sri Boon Ruang 2" between Meechai (sometimes written "Michai") and Prajak roads.

It's easier to see the name of this Soi when coming from Meechai Road (in fact, it's really near the "what Sri Boon Ruang" temple). But you will more likely find the Soi itself coming from Prajak as it is a small (dark at night) street that is located very near a PTT (Por Tor Thor) gas station, on the other side of Prajak road, between Prasai and Phochai roads (Prasai road is a very small one, but Phochai is larger and you can't miss it IMHO).

If you come from Prajak road, you will notice a sort of arch with an inscription in Thai at the entrance of the soi and the brothel will be on the left side of this small street, at around 15-20 meters from the entrance. If you come from Meechai road, it's then on the right side of the street, at approximately 35-40 meters from the panel indicating the name of this street.

You will certainly notice a few girls waiting in front of the brothel if you go there after 8pm (or later), but there are usually others already inside too.

They charge 300 baht for half an hour (but they are not too pushy and it's usually OK to stay 45 minutes for this price) and 500 baht for one hour (approximately again, and I suppose that you can spend up to 90 minutes with the lady of your choice then).

There are also a few karaokes in the same area, but they don't have the same kind of girls and are not always opened. There are other brothels in Nong Khai, but this one is probably my favorite because of what apparently is its "specialty" (bigger than average boobs on pretty Asian girls! ).

[QUOTE=Goyave]I'm back from Nong Khai and I can now give you more details to find the famous brothel where almost all girls have pretty impressive natural breasts. This fine establishment is located in a small street called "Soi Sri Boon Ruang 2" between Meechai (sometimes written "Michai") and Prajak roads.

It's easier to see the name of this Soi when coming from Meechai Road (in fact, it's really near the "what Sri Boon Ruang" temple). But you will more likely find the Soi itself coming from Prajak as it is a small (dark at night) street that is located very near a PTT (Por Tor Thor) gas station, on the other side of Prajak road, between Prasai and Phochai roads (Prasai road is a very small one, but Phochai is larger and you can't miss it IMHO).

If you come from Prajak road, you will notice a sort of arch with an inscription in Thai at the entrance of the soi and the brothel will be on the left side of this small street, at around 15-20 meters from the entrance. If you come from Meechai road, it's then on the right side of the street, at approximately 35-40 meters from the panel indicating the name of this street.

You will certainly notice a few girls waiting in front of the brothel if you go there after 8pm (or later), but there are usually others already inside too.

They charge 300 baht for half an hour (but they are not too pushy and it's usually OK to stay 45 minutes for this price) and 500 baht for one hour (approximately again, and I suppose that you can spend up to 90 minutes with the lady of your choice then).

There are also a few karaokes in the same area, but they don't have the same kind of girls and are not always opened. There are other brothels in Nong Khai, but this one is probably my favorite because of what apparently is its "specialty" (bigger than average boobs on pretty Asian girls! ).[/QUOTE]Hey Goyave,

That it some pretty impressive directions. Even I shouldn't foul that up.

I'm now sure that the boobs will be equallv as impressive.

Thanks again,

Pedro917

Took a look round the Si Saket train station the other night around 12:00 midnight, and there wasn't a single even remotely doable girl, and precious few of the old and ugly ones. These horrible old bags can be found to the right side of the train station (there is a police box watching over things to the left side - as you face the station from the roundabout/square). They had the temerity to ask me for 500 baht! I refused, whereupon the motorcycle taxi guys offered me a '20 year old' available only by phone for 560 baht. They had no phone and so used mine to try her - she was not home and so I was unrequited.

I looked round the corner by the old shabby short time hotel, where there were three or four more slightly younger but still wholely unattractive women. They offered themselves to me for 500 baht, and I countered with 300 - no dice. Then I told the least hideous (who was short and fat!) that 500 would be ok if I could have bareback - she ran away acting quite upset! Hard to believe one such as that can be setting terms, but I suppose that is where we are in Si Saket 2008.

So, I wandered sadly back to my hotel, sperm still with me. I hope the little fellows do not disturb my sleep.

This is my third visit to the Si Saket, and I can only stress again how awful is mongering here, however no doubt any mongermen who thrive upon ugly, worn faces, baggy, wrinkly bodies, malodors, and hostile, reluctant services may enjoy a trip to this pleasant backwater.

The next day in the afternoon I looked around the train station and found no one there - that is, no one other than boring regular people. I then went to the short time hotel to the left of the roundabout mentioned last night (just walk away from the station through the roundabout/square, and then left at the first street, and find the old short time hotel on the right a few hundred feet down).

I saw there three girls, happily none of them the same as the previous night. Two were quite attractive and young, and one not so attractive. All seemed to obviously dread associations with farang. The old hotelier/pimp offered the cuter ones to me for 1,000 baht, which I countered with 500. At that price he offered the unattractive one, and countered with 700 for the cuter ones. I'm sure Freeler will disapprove, but I agreed - after all there are so very few options in this town that it is a seller's market. The old maven included the room, or rather did not even mention charging for the room - no doubt he was very happy with his cut of the girl's fee.

In the room the girl turned out to be slightly less cute than she had appeared in the lobby, but she was adequate and around 20 years of age, with a slim body and fat ass. Very dark and Kmer looking, so I couldn't help but wonder what Thai guys would be willing to pay for her - probably 300. Service was abominable as always in Issan - no blow job and reluctance about positions other than missionary. Bareback was allowed without fuss however, and I did manage with great difficulty to insist on 'doggy style' sex (from behind) as the fat ass suggested. Despite not really being enthused, I managed to relieve myself of unwanted sperms.

The saddest part was the girl showered and fled from the room as fast as possible. It is interesting how the friendly service of Pattaya or even Bangkok does not translate to the provinces.

My last day in Si Saket I stopped by the short time hote at around two PM. There were no girls in the lobby, but I asked the old man and he took me upstairs and knocked on a door, waking up the one girl within. She wasn't very attractive, with a bit of a stomach, but a tolerable face. He asked 700 again, but I insisted on just 500 for this one. At that price he insisted I pay the 60 baht short time room charge (by the way a full night in this place is just 120 - I've stayed there in years past and it is lovely, with high ceilings).

Service was a tiny bit better, and even included a BJ, such as it was. By that I mean a poor one. Bareback was not difficult to obtain, at no extra cost and with no argument.

So, with that I left Si Saket, not unrequited, but hardly satisfied. I shall include a budget for those who enjoy such things:

2 days:
Hotel - 700 baht
Girls - 1,260
Foodstuffs - 600
motorbike taxis - 100 (20 baht per trip)
misc - 80
Total - 2,740, or about 1,370 per day.

I almost forgot to share my recent trip to Udon's brothels with my mongering brothers.

I made a flying visit there with a full saloon-load of Thai acquaintances, and we found the two main sois mostly open, with a fair selection of girls. Quality was excellent in Soi Two and better than the last time I visted in Soi Sow Fie Dang. Prices remain 300 in the latter, and 400 in the former, but this time I tried out the 'special' house just off of Soi two on the small sub-soi to the left.

This is the house that the Thai middle class guys always seem to prefer, and it is priced at 600 baht Thai or farang. The selection here is really large - perhaps 30 girls, and the rooms are very nice and clean, with decent bathrooms ensuite and air conditioning.

I allowed the older man who seems to run the place to suggest one for me, as I requested the ability to 'moke' (smoke, or suck dick). Alas not all girls provide this service. He choose a cute and frisky one, but alas being short and a bit curvy not really my type. Still, service was much better than average for Issan, with a decent BJ and bareback available, though only with a bit argument and coaxing. The girl was really fresh and sweet, even giggly and sniffy as well - dare I say it? A GFE.

My friends were all really pleased with their girls, particular the one who took the one 'special' girl priced at 800. She was very good looking, slim but busty, and supposedly a Lao university student. At that price he got not just the nice rooms like the rest of us, but the veritable penthouse suite - with hot water!

After a break for recharging the sperm tubules and supping on a bit of grilled chicken livers and some noodle soup, we returned for a second go at one of the 400 baht houses on the soi. This was also enjoyable, though bareback required an awful lot of argumentation. I would have liked to try Sow Fie Dang but its more downmarket style didn't really suit my middle class crew.

Budget for the outing:

Gas to Udon Thani - 300
Girls - 1,000
Foodstuffs - 120
Total - 1,420

Driving through Roi-Et recently I took an afternoon's respite at Mai-Tai hotel's soapy. This place is a bit hidden up the stairs - they seem to have to avoid advertising its existence in the current prudish climate. But it is still there, still in operation, after all these years, up the steep stairwell on the second floor. A few decent looking early-twenties types, priced at 1,700, some good looking older women around 30 or even older priced at 1,500, and some untempting ones at 1,200. Services were standard, with a perfunctory BBBJ; I even had to don a condom for a while, though happily I eventually talked her out of it and had some real sex and a creampie finish. Obviously these kind of places are a very poor deal pricewise, but I was flush at the time. Oh well.

I wanted to find out if there were any small houses ('song'), but my travelling companions must press on. I asked a few tuktuks about this and they claimed there were none, though one said that I should try going to some of the bungaloes outside town.

On a non-mongering note, this pleasant town (which is situated on a lovely man made lake) boasts what is said to be 'Isaan's first Indian restaurnt'. Delicious food, just half a block from the downtown shopping mall - 'Roi-Et City Plaza'. Comically, my colleagues just watched me eat and then dined later upon food from the market just down the street. (Thais notoriously dislike all things Indian, and most certainly Indian cuisine). I do have to admit it is one of the nicest markets I have encountered in a small Isaan city.

Stopped to sleep in the next town, Maha Sarakham. We looked around the soi that used to have two or three little brothels, and while there were a few girls sort of loitering around I think you have to take them elsewhere as the buildings appeared to be knocked down. (as you depart Takasila Hotel go left and then another left at the first soi) Prices were still bargainable to 500 baht though 1,000 was initially quoted as seems to be standard in such sois (see my Khon Kaen reports). Mediocre quality. The girls said the police were cracking down a lot lately.

Asked from a motorbike taxi opposite the opening of this soi and he called a girl on the phone who showed up on a motorbike - a quite cute one around 20-23. Off to a short time hotel, after bargaining to 600 baht from initial 1,000. Bareback was had without complaint, and though only the most amatuerish blow job the sex was fairly intimate.

The old lady houses downtown next to the market were reduced from one to two, and only two very ugly and one good looking old lady remained 300 for the former and 500 for the latter, so I didn't try. This house looks like an old rooming house, and is on the side of the market farthest from the clocktower roundabout.

Another of our mongering team decided to take the hotel bellman up on the offer of a 'college girl' available by telephone. This was priced at 1,500, but it might very well be more for a non-Thai. I was not present to see the girl but I was told she was a looker, though not a performer.

On the way out of town the next evening we stopped at a large kareoke - on the highway on the way to Kalasin. There were two or three very cute girls here, several mediocre ones, and a few that weren't even girls! We feared the cute ones might have just been there for a sort of teaser but I was rented one for 1,000 baht short time. Top notch service for Isaan in a nearby bungaloe hotel, including BBBJ, nipple nibbling, and bareback (complete with moaning!). I think I was lucky - even a dog has his day.

Just one note about this style of place - I was travelling with Thais, and these kareokes may be difficult to navigate unless you are very fluent and can blend in. Even with my friends the girls seemed wary of a foreigner. I have gone to such places alone before and been ignored by the girls and harrassed in friendly fashion by the tipsy Thai dudes (you know - offering you a drink, shaking your hand, etc.) Generally the best rule is, if the place is not to busy you will be fine, but if it is Friday or Saturday night and the place is packed with groups of Thai guys, better to take care.

Budget for this report:
Gas from Si Saket to Kalasin - 200 baht (X4)
Hotel - 475 baht (950/2 - yes Thai dudes
always insist on two to a room)
girls - 3,300 baht (200 baht in tips)
short time rooms - 320 baht (2X160 baht)
Foodstuffs - 600 baht
misc. - 200 baht
Total for two days - 5,095 baht or about 2,500/day

Next report (I hope) Kalasin and Mukdahan.

[QUOTE=Goyave]I'm back from Nong Khai and I can now give you more details[/QUOTE]

Hmm. I just tried to get the same map as the one in the posted screenshot, and the small streets between Prasai and Pho Chai don't seem to be there any more. I wonder if there's policy reasons for that.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]Hmm. I just tried to get the same map as the one in the posted screenshot, and the small streets between Prasai and Pho Chai don't seem to be there any more. I wonder if there's policy reasons for that.[/QUOTE]I made some improvements and added a few information on the original map (such as the smaller Sois in the above mentioned area and the PTT gas station), so, that's probably why you won't find exactly the same map elsewhere (unless someone has already copied and posted mine).

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]Hmm. I just tried to get the same map as the one in the posted screenshot, and the small streets between Prasai and Pho Chai don't seem to be there any more. I wonder if there's policy reasons for that.[/QUOTE]Hi Rocksoff,

Are you saying that the streets no longer exist, or that they are left off local maps for political convenience reasons?

Pedro917

Any info appreciated as planning a visit in new year!

[QUOTE=Pedro 917]... Are you saying that the streets no longer exist, or that they are left off local maps for political convenience reasons?

Pedro917

Any info appreciated as planning a visit in new year![/QUOTE]Don't be afraid, Pedro917, I regularly visit this area and its establishments and they're still operating. My favorite girl was not there on my latest visit (a few days ago) alas, but several others were available (and other options exist in other parts of Nong Khai too).

So, like a bunch of other people, I was affected by the problems at the airports last week. Unlike a lot of other people who were stuck in Thailand trying to go out, my problem was getting back home in Bangkok from Vietnam.

That was around the beginning of the incidents, and I had half a mind to wait it out in vietnam, hoping it would blow over by Monday, and sample the local scene over the weekend. But as it turned out, my company announced me that they'd booked me on a flight to Vientiane on Saturday afternoon, and that I'd have to take the overnight train from there. A quick check told me that I couldn't possibly get off my plane, go through the visa on arrival thing, make my way through the border and down to nong khai, and still catch the train on Saturday. So I decided to spend a quiet and relaxing weekend in Laos instead.

That too was not to be. Upon arrival in vientiane, some crazy american advises me to make my way immediately to nong khai and stake out for a seat in a train or bus, as everything would be fully booked to Monday. He further told me to run to the border straight away as it closes at 6PM. Somehow made it there at 6:30, and indeed the place looked dark and almost deserted, but I was still ushered through along with a bus-full of korean tourists.

So I hailed one of the taxi touts, and decided to first have a look at the train station. Surprise, the evening train was still there, and even had some seats available, but only in 3rd class. I gave it a miss and booked a sleeper couch for the next day, without problem. Asked if there was any rush, the station guy told me I was one of the first to reserve a seat for that train. Alarmist American, to this day, I hate your gut.

Next to the interesting stuff, as I instructed my taxi guy to take me to the nearest motel. That was to be the Pantawee hotel, a sprawling establishment in the center of town. There too, the staff was a bit hurried but plenty of rooms available (damage so far: 600b + 100 to taxi). Room was small but clean. The friendly manager enquired if I needed anything more, "drink? Room service? Beautiful lady? " and I told him I'd definitely make use of the latter but needed to shower and dine first. Shower was at best barely lukewarm. I lazed out a bit and by the time I was finished and had and a few phone calls and beers, it was close to 9:30 and the town was looking positively dead. Friendly manager nowhere in shight too, but some just as friendly tuk-tuk drivers hail me. I climb aboard without a word. "Lady? ". Nod. And we're on our way.

That's when I noticed it had gotten really damn chilly. I had packed only light shirts for Vietnam, and the open air ride in the tuc tuc drove me in a deep state of hypothermia. It took us 10 minutes to get to the nondescript building which was our destination, and by that time I had turned an interesting shade of blue. I had to steel myself to keep my dignity, and couldn't trust my teeth and jaw so kept my mouth firmly shut, with a frozen grin.

So we enter a lobby with a few old sofas, and an ugly girl who's apparently just woke up comes down. I mutter an oops, but apparently she's just the mama. She makes a phone call and 2 minutes later, the papasan arrives on a bike with 3 girls on the back! Yes, Issaan girls really are that small.

They're all very fine looking and in their early 20's, but I instictively avoid the bossy type with a lot of make up. The one on the left is a real stunner, but visibly nervous, and she does looks a bit too young to be safe. So instead I smile and nod to the quiet one on the right with the nice smile. 700bahts are exchanged + 100 to the driver- my mouth was still frozen by the cold so I didn't negociate. The way back to the hotel is more tolerable with a young hot body snuggling next to mine, but still when we arrive all I feel capable of is to curl up in foetal position under a heap of blankets. My room is in a extension apart from the main hotel building, so we can get off the tuctuc and get in directly. Good point. While walking next to her I can't help but notice that she practically could give me a BJ while standing. But I have nothing against petites.

Once in the room we proceed to a bit of cuddling. Me showing off my vast knowledge of Thai language. That part is over in about 20s including a lot of goofy laughing. More cuddling and OMG!. Exploding from that tight top is a pair of natural melons vast and shapely enough to give me faith in God again.

Just from that sight, I have warmed up considerably already, but still, when she mentions the word "shower", I cringe in pain internally. By that time the water is just plain cold and I decide to make it brief and vigorous. Still, when I come out, I have to cover myself modestly, because I don't remember seeing my willy that small since I was about 10. I walk out shivering and. Second shock of the evening! My companion is a lot less modest that I and what a body! Her face was a bit chubby so I wasn't setting my hopes too high, but wow! Thin, shapely waist above a perky ass to die for, the firmness of which I then had plenty of opportunity to test.

Needless to say I'm all over her and making a joyous fool of myself in a moment. But she artfully dodges my clumsy attempts, the we have a good laugh and she's off to the shower while I huddle under the blanket trying to get in condition for what's next. Soon enough, I notice a warm presence snuggling beside me under the blanket and we're making out again. I get warmed up in no time exploring every inch of that luscious, brown body. After a delicious while of that, we proceed to me covering up and receiving a quite delectable CBJ. Now I have to say that not even the most expert girls in Bangkok ever made me come with just a CBJ, especially not when I'm drunk and tired and cold. But I had to stop her in a hurry or I would have popped right there and then. Not that she'd have had too much trouble coaxing me back to life I guess.

The rest of the evening continued pretty much along those lines, fking awesome in bed and very GFE to boot, more so than my actual GF I have to say. She left a bit after midnight asking for 200 in tip. Bash me if you will but I grossly overpaid. I probably won't be back around Nong Khai in a while, but I'm sure I will enquire about LT if I do.

Sorry for the long winded report, but it was a funny trip and a much enjoyable change from the Nana/soi cowboy routine.

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Natloz ,

For LT in Nong Khai, asking prices are B1000. Appr B300 goes to mamasan, if not more. Of ST B100-200 goes to mamasan.

Buriram and Si Saket revisited,

Buriram turned out to be the most exciting place on the trip so far. The brothels in Nivas Road (Check previous reports) had some cute babes even at 2 pm. One asleep on a matrass on the floor just woke up and after a mouthwash, she was all over me trying to sell herself along with the Pepsi I ordered. Mamasan came along with three more girls, and I could not help noticing that she wanted more Baht for the younger ones. Young: B700, experienced B500. It simply doesn't add up. I left after paying B20 for the Pepsi and I left a tip for wake up girl - cuz she felt so good crawling all over me.
Just after dark, my fav B' ram lady arrived at the RWS and I took her straight to my room. She said she hadn't had any in four days, and she clearly suffered from a bad case of ni-en. She serviced me in every conceivable department and left with a new shirt, a facial and B300 - happy as can be.
Later back at the RWS, Noon walked by in her tiny short hot pants and tight coat. Great smile, tits that lit up every time her mobile rang (...) and a great smile (I said that twice for a reason!). Decent English too for the Thai impaired. She said something about B500 and then disappeared on a motorbike. Whatever. Then a girl with 'no name' who came from 'home' grabbed me, started kissing and said 'normally B500 but ni-en, now B200'. And even tho she was mau, usually a hold or even no go, I looked passed that and took her. And boy, was I in for a treat. She took my dickhead way passed her toncils, then demanded to get fucked. That was a small price to pay for so much fucking sanuk! After receiving the juice and B200 she still wanted to suck cock again. Who am I to say no? So another rubber came out and on and the whole thing started again... Needless to say I slept well that night.
Cost of one dat: train B24, hotel B120, girls B300 and B200. Food and drinks about B150. Add up to not a lot, huh?

Si Saket was a different trip altogether. I really went there to see GF#2, but one day she left without telling me why and where and I took the opportunity to check out the action around the Santisuk Hotel ( From RWS pass round about and at pharmacy turn left). I stumbled across a mute girl that I'd had before. So I made her pay for the room (B60ST) to make sure she wasn't on the rag. I made it quite clear: Sii deang --> NO pay! But she was fine and eventho she doesn't do anything but lay on her back, she is a remarkable feel good ride. Nice face, great tits and very soft skin. Cost of this little adventure: B60 for room, B200 for girl. When she left I got a wai and a hiss. There.
Strangely, GF#2 wasn't in for sex at all that evening. Wonder what she'd been up to...

[QUOTE=Freeler]Natloz ,

For LT in Nong Khai, asking prices are B1000. Appr B300 goes to mamasan, if not more. Of ST B100-200 goes to mamasan.

Buriram and Si Saket revisited,

Buriram turned out to be the most exciting place on the trip so far. The brothels in Nivas Road (Check previous reports) had some cute babes even at 2 pm. One asleep on a matrass on the floor just woke up and after a mouthwash, she was all over me trying to sell herself along with the Pepsi I ordered. Mamasan came along with three more girls, and I could not help noticing that she wanted more Baht for the younger ones. Young: B700, experienced B500. It simply doesn't add up. I left after paying B20 for the Pepsi and I left a tip for wake up girl - cuz she felt so good crawling all over me.

Just after dark, my fav B' ram lady arrived at the RWS and I took her straight to my room. She said she hadn't had any in four days, and she clearly suffered from a bad case of ni-en. She serviced me in every conceivable department and left with a new shirt, a facial and B300 - happy as can be.

Later back at the RWS, Noon walked by in her tiny short hot pants and tight coat. Great smile, tits that lit up every time her mobile rang (...) and a great smile (I said that twice for a reason!). Decent English too for the Thai impaired. She said something about B500 and then disappeared on a motorbike. Whatever. Then a girl with 'no name' who came from 'home' grabbed me, started kissing and said 'normally B500 but ni-en, now B200'. And even tho she was mau, usually a hold or even no go, I looked passed that and took her. And boy, was I in for a treat. She took my dickhead way passed her toncils, then demanded to get fucked. That was a small price to pay for so much fucking sanuk! After receiving the juice and B200 she still wanted to suck cock again. Who am I to say no? So another rubber came out and on and the whole thing started again... Needless to say I slept well that night.
Cost of one dat: train B24, hotel B120, girls B300 and B200. Food and drinks about B150. Add up to not a lot, huh?

Si Saket was a different trip altogether. I really went there to see GF#2, but one day she left without telling me why and where and I took the opportunity to check out the action around the Santisuk Hotel ( From RWS pass round about and at pharmacy turn left). I stumbled across a mute girl that I'd had before. So I made her pay for the room (B60ST) to make sure she wasn't on the rag. I made it quite clear: Sii deang --> NO pay! But she was fine and eventho she doesn't do anything but lay on her back, she is a remarkable feel good ride. Nice face, great tits and very soft skin. Cost of this little adventure: B60 for room, B200 for girl. When she left I got a wai and a hiss. There.

Strangely, GF#2 wasn't in for sex at all that evening. Wonder what she'd been up to...[/QUOTE]Hi freeler,

Good report in the same line as before I was in buriram in October but find the scene intresting but too limited. Prices are right. But I failed to find the brothel in nivas road. Ever with the help of precious report

I was amazed to find some buriram girls in khorat some weeks after my buriram trip all and all I find khorat more exciting many new faces, at same price as buriram. Anyway thank for your report. I hope I could help you one day. For Thailand city or Malaysia and Cambodia

Your best fan

Channy

Channy,

The brothels are situated on the stretch of Nivas that runs North South. Look for wooden 'sheds', next to a karaoke bar. Just North of them is a cleared area (not built up). Also a bit North on the opposite side of the road is a truck repair shop, at least that's what it looks like to me, it could be a contracter's yard.
Look for wooden 'sheds', next to a karaoke bar.
Hope this helps...

I visited some cheap kareokes which provided girls for 500 baht in Buriram. There is a little strip of maybe four or five of them along what appears to be Nivas road, after you go around the big curve as you take Nivas away from the train station/downtown, going West. However I think by that time, when you go around the big curve, you are actually on 'In Jandra Narong'. Not that it matters, but in case of confusion, that's what google maps says.

In any case, the places I visited were just past the big curve as described, on the left side of the road. Are these the ones in question?

When I visited they were quite a rogues gallery of unattractive ladies, and only one girl in the strip was appealing at 500 baht. My traveling companion and I had to take turns with her as no other girl was to our taste! Opebo was an honorable friend and accepted sloppy seconds. [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=523501&highlight=buriram#post523501]The report.[/url]

[url]http://www.udondayandnight.com/index.php[/url]

Any info on this plaza listed above? Heading to Udon in about 4 months. Better question is, can you bar fine the ladies at these establishments? G spot seems to a great place to hang out.

[QUOTE=Mauldid][url]http://www.udondayandnight.com/index.php[/url]

Any info on this plaza listed above? Heading to Udon in about 4 months. Better question is, can you bar fine the ladies at these establishments? G spot seems to a great place to hang out.[/QUOTE]

Don't know how long you plan to stay in Udon, or where you plan to stay, but I highly recommend staying and the Ton Koon Hotel. Rooms are about 700 baht. Hotel staff very friendly, and hotel is owned by same Thai who owns the karaoke and massage place next door, so no hassle when bringing in girls to room. Good food, too. Girls who work next door are quite good looking. Yes, you can bar fine them, but I worked a private deal with my girls from the massage place and karaoke.

Opebo,

Indeed, go West from the RWS, then a bend to the left - there is no other way to go. It might change name at that point, but I don't know... Then a few hundred meters on, there's a clearing left first and then at least two brothels also on the left.
Asking prices, like I said where in the B500-700 region, but I didn't test for bottom.
It's a nice alternative for those who refuse to pay B300 or less for ST or don't want to be seen at the RWS:).

[QUOTE=Mauldid][url]http://www.udondayandnight.com/index.php[/url]

Any info on this plaza listed above? Heading to Udon in about 4 months. Better question is, can you bar fine the ladies at these establishments? G spot seems to a great place to hang out.[/QUOTE]There are many bars in the same street and you probably can "barfine" the girls in most of them, but in my humble opinion the quality of talents in this area is so-so and the prices are often higher that one can expect (more expensive than Pattaya on average and sometimes even more than Bangkok!).

I only once found a girl to my taste in another bar of this area and she wanted 1500 baht ST! I'm not used to this kind of quotation (I'm in my early forties, can speak Thai not too bad, live daily in the Land of Smiles since 2003 and am an "handsome man" just like you all, guys!) especially in I-San, so, I did not partake (with her) and did not asked how much was the barfine (I suppose that it is probably 300 baht in most places in this street, but I can't say for sure).

The brothels for instance in Adunyadej Soi 2 (at a 5-10 minute walking distance from this street) are better value (300 or 400 baht for a ST session on premises). You can also sometimes find one or two young and pretty street walkers at night (but most of them are old and not very attractive though) from this street on the way to the railway station who are willing to go for 500 ST (or even less) and 800-1000 baht LT (and a BBBJ+CIM can be had for 200 or 300 baht in your car).

[QUOTE=Freeler]Opebo,

Indeed, go West from the RWS, then a bend to the left - there is no other way to go. It might change name at that point, but I don't know... Then a few hundred meters on, there's a clearing left first and then at least two brothels also on the left.
Asking prices, like I said where in the B500-700 region, but I didn't test for bottom.
It's a nice alternative for those who refuse to pay B300 or less for ST or don't want to be seen at the RWS:).[/QUOTE]

After the bend in ?Nivas Road, there is a right turn, and along there on the right are a number of shacks selling beer and girls. Not exactly brothels though

Do the brothels you refer to have rooms available?

[QUOTE=Pedro 917]Are you saying that the streets no longer exist, or that they are left off local maps for political convenience reasons?[/QUOTE]

It's just what I noticed on Google Maps. No idea of the reasons behind or conditions in the field.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]It's just what I noticed on Google Maps. No idea of the reasons behind or conditions in the field.[/QUOTE]The explaination is here: [post]821878[/post]

[QUOTE=Goyave]You can also sometimes find one or two young and pretty street walkers at night (but most of them are old and not very attractive though) from this street on the way to the railway station who are willing to go for 500 ST (or even less) and 800-1000 baht LT (and a BBBJ+CIM can be had for 200 or 300 baht in your car).[/QUOTE]

Goyave, thanks for updating us on these streetwalkers. I have taken quite a few now and again from that area, but I have never seen any attractive ones there. However for the old and/or unattractive ones that one typically finds there the standard price is 300 baht.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Goyave, thanks for updating us on these streetwalkers. I have taken quite a few now and again from that area, but I have never seen any attractive ones there. ...[/QUOTE]I posted pictures (well, image captured from a video) of one of the "doable" (in my humble opinion) ones here: [post]820563[/post]

[QUOTE=Goyave]I made some improvements and added a few information on the original map[/QUOTE]

Ah! That explains it. The PTT station and the BROTHEL caption are obvious enough additions, but the sois are drawn perfectly google-style. Fooled me!

[QUOTE=Goyave]The brothels for instance in Adunyadej Soi 2 (at a 5-10 minute walking distance from this street) are better value (300 or 400 baht for a ST session on premises). [/QUOTE]You seem to be knowledgeable about the Lao brothel scene in Udon.

Have you ever been to Soi 7 where they present you with a line-up but don't have facilities on the premises and offer to take you and the lady of your choice to the "bungalow" instead?

Although the girls didn’t look half bad, I wasn’t quite comfortable with this option and passed on it.

However, it keeps intrigueing me, and I should appreciate to learn from someone with first-hand experience how this deal exactly works in practice.

[QUOTE=El Culion]You seem to be knowledgeable about the Lao brothel scene in Udon.

Have you ever been to Soi 7 where they present you with a line-up but don't have facilities on the premises and offer to take you and the lady of your choice to the "bungalow" instead?

Although the girls didn’t look half bad, I wasn’t quite comfortable with this option and passed on it.

However, it keeps intrigueing me, and I should appreciate to learn from someone with first-hand experience how this deal exactly works in practice.[/QUOTE]Don't be afraid, it's safe. But it's also dearer than other places in the area and in my humble opinion, the girls are not much prettier (well, a little bit better though) than in the other brothels of Udon Thani.

I have been only once there and it was more than one year ago. I was first quoted 700 baht for one hour, but down to 500 baht after a little bit of haggling.

The rooms are not far away (a few hundred meters) and are much nicer and larger than in the other brothels (OK, that's not really difficult to achieve, but they are quite acceptable and with a bathroom with hot water for shower). But arrived there with the girl and one of the pimp's aide, I was asked 100 baht more for the room by the latter. So, that was actually 600 baht ST room included.

Session was OK, but not great (covered BJ and no anal). Therefore, I haven't come back since, but it's probably not too bad a deal for those who prefer more comfortable places and provided that you can get what you want with the girl of your choice.

I tried a few times .you can see a line up at a place,(about 3 now) then go to bungalow ,about 10 to 30 meters. the rooms are somwhat dark. will cost you 100 bht if you go alone or 150 with tout. girls are 400 to 800bht depending on how new mama or papasam claim them to be.

I can remember just a few years ago there still survived some regular houses on Soi Seven - particularly that one first one just on the left about 30 feet up a small subsoi. That was a nice place; does anyone else remember that one? But, for some reason the actual houses that operated on seven could not survive the great crackdowns of 2005-2007, while Sow Fie Dang and Soi Two are still with us, after a fashion, and of course, only for the moment.

To Goyave: the Udon streetwalker in your pic is very nice! Of course that is the thing about streetwalkers anywhere in the world - while the vast majority of them look bad, there is always that needle in a haystack pretty one out there that keeps us looking.

[QUOTE=Opebo]To Goyave: the Udon streetwalker in your pic is very nice! Of course that is the thing about streetwalkers anywhere in the world - while the vast majority of them look bad, there is always that needle in a haystack pretty one out there that keeps us looking.[/QUOTE]I don't check this area very often (only twice or thrice a month on average) because I usually favour other options in Udon Thani, but I've noticed 4 or 5 young and physically decent streetwalkers there (but often not more than 2 at a given time) during the last 6 months.

It's also not too difficult during nighttime (after midnight for instance) to find freelancers wandering in the streets on motorbike by pair. If you're driving a car and can speak some Thai, you can engage a conversation at a red traffic light. You might be surprised to observe how numerous are the pretty girls who would agree to go with you for 500-1000 baht ST or 800-1200 baht LT (per girl). I've already improvised a few threesomes this way.

Thanks for the information.

My visit to Soi 7 was a year ago. The price they quoted was B500 for boom-boom and B100 for the bungalow.

As I didn't like the bungalow arrangement I asked how much the take-out price was. Papasan wanted to know where I was staying, and when I told him Karin Hotel he said that take-out to that hotel was not possible. However, from his question I infer that take-out is a possibility depending on where you stay.

I’ve been visiting Udon for years but so far I've only been with regular puyings because I love GFE. For me fore and afterplay are more important than the deed itself. Tawan Daeng, Yellow Bird and Mambo are my favourite hunting grounds. However, the other side of the coin is that this entails a lot of emotional baggage. I make such bad husband material that I really need to change my ways :(

I’ll be in Udon next month and report back here if I go with any P4P girl.

Anyone in Nong Khai 9/1 &10/1.

If so fancy meeting up?

Pedro 917

Pittsburgh playing San Diego on Monday morning at 5am, any place in Udon that I can watch the game (bar or pub)??

Reading the previous posts, I can see making a run to Udon early and doing a short-time. Can't open the map (location of brothels and streetwalkers), any better directions or link??
I can drive to the major mall, Big "C" and Tesco....after that all the streets look the same!

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Pittsburgh playing San Diego on Monday morning at 5am, any place in Udon that I can watch the game (bar or pub)??

Reading the previous posts, I can see making a run to Udon early and doing a short-time. Can't open the map (location of brothels and streetwalkers), any better directions or link??
I can drive to the major mall, Big "C" and Tesco....after that all the streets look the same![/QUOTE]


Your best bet is the site udonmap.com
Much more than a map, just about any info on Udon Thani can be found there, or you could post a question to their Udon forum.

Well its time to do a border run to Laos ... so a trip via Udon Thani & Nong Khai is called for.

Having RTFF I decide to stay at the Ton Koon hotel which has had some good reviews for the adjoining Karaoke. Well, get to the kakaoke early they said so 8.30 ish I turn up. Seems a bit quiet but what the heck, so I go in about dozen Thai men sitting in the tables/booths and occasionally singing out of tune. A couple of honeys serving drinks but thats it!

Well I sat there for half hour saw no working girls and was left alone! So I settle my bar bill and go, on the way out a couple of girls sitting on the steps talking but made no effort to try to do business.

So back to the hotel for an early night for trip to Nong Khai next day, not to worried as I have great directions for action in NK from Goyave.

Pedro 917

Well its off to Nong Khai and a stay at the Pantawee hotel, good value B600 per night for a room in the bungalows on the opposite side of the road, so convenient for ease of access for girlies. Each room also has unlimited internet access.

So equipped with Goyaves map and directions I set off to check out the location . Well with superb directions I find the location easily and decide to return after dark at 8ish as recommended.

Well I arrive about 8 oclock and I am relieved to see a few girls sitting outside as expected. Now it all starts to go "tits up" I approach and in my usual Thai /English enquire for the mamasan and move towards the entrance, I am now told that this is a Thai establishment and does not cater for farangs, none of the girls are showing any interest and I leave with as much dignity as I can muster.

This mongering lark is bloody hard work, with success not guaranteed! So I stop a tuk tuk and ask the driver for a nice lady. He speaks reasonable English and drives off god knows where for 10 minutes and we finish up out in the boonies a some private shop house where 4-5 girls are sitting playing cards. mamasan says B800 ST or B2000 LT, I think I am being stitched up and girls are nothing special so off we go to another place driver tells me that going rate is B700ST & B2000LT. At the next place a selection of half dozen girls confirm his rate, so I am worn down and select the best of the bunch short time which I pay up front.

We get back to Bungalows and the girl (FON) is from Laos about 20 slim and reasonably attractive. she was however endeavoring to get into the Guinness book of records for getting it over and done with ASAP.

But after much cha cha I did have a reasonable pop. Plenty DATY, BBJ & DFK but definitely not a GFE.

So now its on to Ventiane.

Pedro917

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[QUOTE=Pedro 917]Well its time to do a border run to Laos ... so a trip via Udon Thani & Nong Khai is called for.

Having RTFF I decide to stay at the Ton Koon hotel which has had some good reviews for the adjoining Karaoke. Well, get to the kakaoke early they said so 8.30 ish I turn up. Seems a bit quiet but what the heck, so I go in about dozen Thai men sitting in the tables/booths and occasionally singing out of tune. A couple of honeys serving drinks but thats it!

Well I sat there for half hour saw no working girls and was left alone! So I settle my bar bill and go, on the way out a couple of girls sitting on the steps talking but made no effort to try to do business.

So back to the hotel for an early night for trip to Nong Khai next day, not to worried as I have great directions for action in NK from Goyave.

Pedro 917[/QUOTE]I too stayed at the Toon Koon hotel. I did not bother with the Karaoke as out of tune squaking puts me off. But did try the massage which is part of the same building but with a separate entrance. There I had a very nice massage with a well-toned thirtysomething with. You pick them out of the fishbowl. No fs but handjob, dfk and hdht (hand down her trousers). Made the mistake of not negotiating beforehand and she wanted 1,000 then 500 and I gave her 300baht. She mentioned bungalow scenario for fs but I think you could also get them to come to the room if you stay in the hotel.

Regarding the Karaoke bar next to Ton Koon, can someone tell me the ratio of Thais to foreginers?. I stayed at the there a few days, but never entered the bar.

Pedro,

During all of my travels in Isaan, I was never told that a venue was Thai only.
Just six/seven weeks ago, Nong Khai did not at all disappoint me.

Freeler

[QUOTE=MeatMan]Regarding the Karaoke bar next to Ton Koon, can someone tell me the ratio of Thais to foreginers?. I stayed at the there a few days, but never entered the bar.[/QUOTE]

On the nights I was there, the ratio was definitely in Thai direction, but I am used to that ratio. In fact, I think it works in my favor. The owner of the hotel also owns the massage and karaoke place next door. I never saw, heard or felt any animosity from any patron or staff. I think the owner would can them or toss them out if they did anything to limit or reduce income in either place. My stays at the hotel were always very pleasant and...........sanuk.

I would be interested in knowing if you noticed or talked with one of the girls behind the hotel reception desk that looks 1/2 Thai and farang (American, actually). Great personality.......divorced, child, pretty. On my next visit, I will try like hell to get a date with her.......away from hotel, of course.

Somewhere in here I have posted a pic of a young girl I met at the karaoke. I bar fined her and went to my room. She was GFE and very willing .....almost innocent in her manner. She promised on my next visit she will bring a gf. On one occasion, I came up short on cash, so she accepted 500 baht for ST. She still has nidnoi baby fat, but very narak.

[QUOTE=Freeler]Pedro,

During all of my travels in Isaan, I was never told that a venue was Thai only.
Just six/seven weeks ago, Nong Khai did not at all disappoint me.

Freeler[/QUOTE]Hi Freeler

Just to make sure we are talking about same place. I approached from Prajak Road end. After approx 15.20 meters the road narrows down and then the place I went to was approx 10 meters further up on the left, same place?

Pedro 917

[QUOTE=MeatMan]Regarding the Karaoke bar next to Ton Koon, can someone tell me the ratio of Thais to foreginers?. I stayed at the there a few days, but never entered the bar.[/QUOTE]Hi MM

On the 1 occasion I have stayed at the Ton Koon Hotel I was the only Farang in the karaoke bar but this did not appear to be a problem. It was a Thursday night so maybe that is a slow evening!

Pedro 917

[QUOTE=Oosik1]

I would be interested in knowing if you noticed or talked with one of the girls behind the hotel reception desk that looks 1/2 Thai and farang (American, actually). Great personality.......divorced, child, pretty. On my next visit, I will try like hell to get a date with her.......away from hotel, of course.[/QUOTE]

Ahh good eye! ;)

I talked with her for five minutes when things were slow not to interrupt things.Nice girl. I hope she's still there as well. Now that the little strip mall across the street from Robinsons is torn down, what will it be?.

Pedro,

Yep, same place. Been to all of them one time or another.
Coming from where you came from, girls are on the right before the narrowing of the Soi. After it narrows two or three places on your left, and at the end of the Soi, turn left and there are even more - that's where found my little fucktoy:)

[QUOTE=Freeler]Pedro,

Yep, same place. Been to all of them one time or another.
Coming from where you came from, girls are on the right before the narrowing of the Soi. After it narrows two or three places on your left, and at the end of the Soi, turn left and there are even more - that's where found my little fucktoy:)[/QUOTE]


Hi Freeler

I now think I know where it went wrong the place Goyave talked about must have been shut as there where no girls or establishments BEFORE the road narrowed down.

Either they were closed that night or are history!


Pedro

Went to Udon Thani on 26 to 27 Jan 09. It's my first visit using information base on this forum.

Reach at 9am and check in hotel. Go to Soi 2 after lunch, almost all girls are still sleeping. ST price is 400B. Did not take any girl as all were still sleeping, but, papasan still open their room door to let me see their bodies.

Next tell tuk tuk drivers see if they could get me local school SYT. They have no idea at all despite I ask several tuk tuk drivers at different locations. Feel like taking next flight back to BKK.

In the end, go back hotel sleep till 7pm. Then go back soi 2 again. All girls I saw are from Lao. Got two young virgins offer by mamasan for 4000B for ST. Very funny, virgin is not sell at one week price. Although very young but I do not like this laotian gal body shape, big ass. The virgin also very scare of me as I talk to mamasan on the price. So did not take! I also not sure my big cock can break their vigin in 1 hour without oil. In the end take another gal from other house for LT at 1600B. Go back BKK on 26 Jan evening flight.

Will not return to Udon Thani unless want some virgin to sleep with in future. However, still wondering are the 2 gals real virgin? Although they act like one from their facial expression and the way they carry themselves but got mamasan sell virgin base on ST?

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Thanks for the report/update on the scene.

There are a few things you could have improved on.

You got the high price at the brothals because you took a tuk2 there. They get a comish like the taxis that take you to ktvs in btm. The price is either 200-300.

Also, sounds like you went to early, but it may be for the better. If going at night, it is more dangerous as thais travel in packs and some like to fight when drunk. And they all are there to get drunk.

The virgin thing, I doubt it's true. It's probably a scam they dev. After a few farangs started requesting it, and got played.

[QUOTE=Cheong Boy]Went to Udon Thani on 26 to 27 Jan 09. It's my first visit using information base on this forum.

Reach at 9am and check in hotel. Go to Soi 2 after lunch, almost all girls are still sleeping. ST price is 400B. Did not take any girl as all were still sleeping, but, papasan still open their room door to let me see their bodies.

Next tell tuk tuk drivers see if they could get me local school SYT. They have no idea at all despite I ask several tuk tuk drivers at different locations. Feel like taking next flight back to BKK.

In the end, go back hotel sleep till 7pm. Then go back soi 2 again. All girls I saw are from Lao. Got two young virgins offer by mamasan for 4000B for ST. Very funny, virgin is not sell at one week price. Although very young but I do not like this laotian gal body shape, big ass. The virgin also very scare of me as I talk to mamasan on the price. So did not take! I also not sure my big cock can break their vigin in 1 hour without oil. In the end take another gal from other house for LT at 1600B. Go back BKK on 26 Jan evening flight.

Will not return to Udon Thani unless want some virgin to sleep with in future. However, still wondering are the 2 gals real virgin? Although they act like one from their facial expression and the way they carry themselves but got mamasan sell virgin base on ST?

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The better option is to have them take the girl to your hotel! Bungalow and st facilities are always subject to potential police raids!

Also, the girls all live in a house off an offshoot of soi7. If you know the location, you could go there any time of the day and pick from the liter.

[QUOTE=El Culion]You seem to be knowledgeable about the Lao brothel scene in Udon.

Have you ever been to Soi 7 where they present you with a line-up but don't have facilities on the premises and offer to take you and the lady of your choice to the "bungalow" instead?

Although the girls didn’t look half bad, I wasn’t quite comfortable with this option and passed on it.

However, it keeps intrigueing me, and I should appreciate to learn from someone with first-hand experience how this deal exactly works in practice.[/QUOTE]

A friend of my in Udon Thani told me that there were some NGO types in Udon Thani last week. Appearently they sit in the bar of one of the short time places and checking which farang is going with these undocumented Lao girls. Of course the Lao girls have no id and they are all Lao. Some German fag with a UNICEF T-shirt was walking around checking out farangs as they walked in.
I would be careful with the "virgin" comments as the place is on the NGO radar.
Of course the brothels are allowed to operate as money talks and bullshit walks.

[QUOTE=Socrates69]The better option is to have them take the girl to your hotel! Bungalow and st facilities are always subject to potential police raids!

Also, the girls all live in a house off an offshoot of soi7. If you know the location, you could go there any time of the day and pick from the liter.[/QUOTE]
What are the prices for girls on soi 7 (soi lao)? Also better to avoid the tuk tuk to avoid comish?

[QUOTE=Adelante Siempre]A friend of my in Udon Thani told me that there were some NGO types in Udon Thani last week. Appearently they sit in the bar of one of the short time places and checking which farang is going with these undocumented Lao girls. Of course the Lao girls have no id and they are all Lao. Some German fag with a UNICEF T-shirt was walking around checking out farangs as they walked in.
I would be careful with the "virgin" comments as the place is on the NGO radar.
Of course the brothels are allowed to operate as money talks and bullshit walks.[/QUOTE]

There are no "virgins" in Udon................I've been there! :-) Sorry, couldn't pass that one up.

[QUOTE=Oosik1]There are no "virgins" in Udon................I've been there! :-) Sorry, couldn't pass that one up.[/QUOTE]

Looking for virgins in a brothel area? That in itself is ludicrous.
I, for one, like them experienced.

These Lao girls are sweet, inexpensive, willing; no need to go to Laos.
Too bad most of them don't give BJ.

Soi 2 seems to be a tad more upscale than Soi Fei Deng.
I hope they stay in business for many years to come.
Nice to know there are 300 baht cuties out there.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]What are the prices for girls on soi 7 (soi lao)? Also better to avoid the tuk tuk to avoid comish?[/QUOTE]Yes, avoid tuk2 to avoid comish.

300 st when the place on the left at the beginning of soi 7 was open. I also paid 500 for a few hours with a girl that worked at the bar on the right midway down the soi...that place closed 4 years ago though.

Will be in Surin next week and may be able to escape the Thai GF. Are there any decent ST afternoon places in Surin?

Adelante......I think I failed to make my jest clear enough for you. I will work harder at it next time.

[QUOTE=Socrates69]Yes, avoid tuk2 to avoid comish.

300 st when the place on the left at the beginning of soi 7 was open. I also paid 500 for a few hours with a girl that worked at the bar on the right midway down the soi...that place closed 4 years ago though.[/QUOTE]
Just curious what others are paying for soi 7 meat. I was there a year ago and was quoted 700-900 for ST on soi 7 in the bungalows. I tried negotiating the 700 down to 600 and they wouldn't budge, so I walked.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Just curious what others are paying for soi 7 meat. I was there a year ago and was quoted 700-900 for ST on soi 7 in the bungalows. I tried negotiating the 700 down to 600 and they wouldn't budge, so I walked.[/QUOTE]As I tourist, I established the cheap price by going there on my own and paying the going rate. My friend who lives there, made the mistake of taking a tuk2 there. It took him 2-3 months of having to walk away before he got the real price. Breaking out of that price bracket is really a *****.

Fellas, I tried to find info on Nakon Phanom, nadda!. RTFF from top to bottom and came up dry. I'll be there in April on towards Laos and Vietnam. Help is always appreciated.

[b]MeatMan[/b]

[QUOTE=MeatMan]Fellas, I tried to find info on Nakon Phanom, nadda!. RTFF[/QUOTE]

Meatman I posted a report about Nakhon Panom a long time ago, and it was followed by an informative reply from Bowerboy: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=589503&highlight=nakhon#post589503[/url]
Both of us found little or nothing in Nakhon Panom. As you can see he reports there used to be some action on the Lao side of the river there. Anyway nothing in Nakhon Panom as far as anyone knows. If you find anything please share.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Meatman I posted a report about Nakhon Panom a long time ago, and it was followed by an informative reply from Bowerboy: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=589503&highlight=nakhon#post589503[/url]
Both of us found little or nothing in Nakhon Panom. As you can see he reports there used to be some action on the Lao side of the river there. Anyway nothing in Nakhon Panom as far as anyone knows. If you find anything please share.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info Opebo and will do a report soon.

Meatman,

Nothing much in NKP indeed.
You might try a glass faced karaoke on the night market street, follow the market away from the Mekong and it sits near the end of the market, on the North side of the road. The girl will do you in an adjacent building.
I tried google maps to locate it but no good luck - don't recognize NKP from above at all:(

Luck is useful:)

Had another look at google maps and got to grips with the scale of the map. I'm now sure the market road is Feuang Nakhon.
A = busterminal
b = probably ''The Spot'
[url]http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=17.397995,104.776826&daddr=Fueang+Nakhon%2F%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%9F%E0%B8%B7%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%A3&hl=nl&geocode=%3BFSiHCQEdwtU-Bg&mra=mi&mrsp=0,1&sz=17&sll=17.401097,104.782823&sspn=0.00776,0.01458&gl=nl&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17[/url]
Wow, that must be the longest link yet!
One should always keep in mind that google is our friend...

[QUOTE=MeatMan]Fellas, I tried to find info on Nakon Phanom, nadda!. RTFF from top to bottom and came up dry. I'll be there in April on towards Laos and Vietnam. Help is always appreciated.

[b]MeatMan[/b][/QUOTE]
Was in Nakon Phanom about 2 years ago to meet a young gal I had hooked up on my last visit by accident in Pattaya. She was very young and had come to Pattaya for an excursion (probably looking at the earning potential of her pussy). Any way I bumped into her quite by accident along soi 11 second road at about 11pm as she was going home with her auntie. I looked round at her as they went past and her auntie looked round at me. I wasn't interested in the auntie but persuaded her niece to come for a drink with me. Anyway persuaded her to come back to my hotel where she rang her auntie on her cell phone for permission to stay out all night. After that she insisited on sleeping fully clothed even after showering but I was feeling too horny and managed to persuade her to undress. After some kissing and foreplay I tried to enter her but she starting crying and shouting "Jep Jep Jep" which I suspected was because she was a virgin and so tight. Anyway I peservered but it was clear she was very inexperienced to the point of total ignorance but then that is a bit of a turn on for me :-) Ahhh so where were we....Nakhon Phanom. Well this girl was from Nakhon Phanom and I went to visit her about 2 months later when I returned to Thailand. I stayed in a nice hotel just outside of the centre on the Mekong river and the price was about 2000 baht. I checked out the local action but there is not much to speak of. Took one of many tuk tuks and told the driver what I was looking for, but we ended up at dilapidated shacks that had women that belonged in old people's homes. I saw no street action at all and there were a handful of bars that seemed to be the right kind of place though to be honest I never checked them out. I did go out on my own one night and ended up at a local disco which seemed to be full of sad middle aged thai people drinking whiskey listening to a live thai imitation rock band. I got chatted up by a middle aged wife of a couple I met there, whose husband was in the army. She would not leave me alone. I half expected to be found in the streets early in the morning with my throat cut. Joking aside I felt completely safe in Nakhon Pahnom but I cannot recommend the place for mongering action. I have heard that if you get the ferry across the Mekong River to Laos then there is lots of village action to be had, but sadly I never had the chance to go and I would appreciate it if anyone else can report on this? I did enjoy my stay in the area, it is like Thailand used to be many years ago, everyone is friendly, people in the street wave to you just because you are a farang andf it is the kind of place I would be happy to retire to with the right girl. But if you are visiting out of horny curiousity I would give it a miss. I travelled there from Udonn Thani by bus, it was 4 hours of torture. I would suggest flying if possible I would not wish that journey on my worst enemy!

I am in Udon Thani if there are any fellow travellers fancy hooking up for a beer or two although I plan on heading back to BKK on Thursday 26th March.
I have been here on a longer trip once before and thought I would try the area of Soi Fie Dang which I have heard so much about. If you have read this thread you will see previous reports describing this area. It is a small Soi close toi the centre of Udon Thani with numerous lady houses where you will be quoted around 400 baht for a short time. As has been suggested before, do not take a tuk tuk there otherwise you may be charged an inflated price with the tuk tuk driver taking his cut. That said it is not easy to find if you do not know the place and it can be a bit embarrassing asking some stranger as I did, only to find them giving you a knowing chuckle and shouting to their friends to tell them where I am going as the area is obviously well known to the locals.

I would suggest anyone who wishes to visit the area to ask a tuk tuk driver to take you to the Karin Hotel which is situated on Wattananuwong Road a few minutes from ther centre of Udon Thani. The cost should be no more than 40-50 baht by tuk tuk and will land you close enough to the action without the tuk tuk driver knowing where you are going. Once you walk into the lobby, wait for the tuk tuk to disappear and you then cross the main road in front of the hotel and bear right with your back to the hotel. About 5 minutes walk will bring you to Soi Fie Dang on the left hand side. I was there around 12 noon and still had mamasans running out greeting me and asking me in to view the girls. To be honest I did not partake as the area is very low class, the houses are little more than shacks and the girls though young and pretty did not look clean.

I then left and ended up at the shopping mall for a light lunch and a bit of shopping. The shopping mall is a big complex and is full of young women shopping or just hanging out and is a potential pick up spot. I saw two young women walking in the sports shop on the 4th floor and stopped to chat just to see if it was a possibility. One of the girls wasted no time in asking me if I was alone and I knew they were in play. I asked her would she like to come back with me to my hotel for an hour or so and she immediatley asked how much I would give. In the end she wanted 1000 baht but refused to let her friend come as well so I let them go. Both girls were from out of town, young and pretty so the place is always worth checking out for freelancers and you will find many girls making eye contact with you and smiling.

I am staying at the AEK apartments which are situated in the Udon Hospital Complex on Phosi Road. Very good security, no problem bringing girls back, in fact on my first night I had three women in my room and the receptionist didn't even bat an eyelid. It is a good 10 - 15 minutes walk to the centre of Udon and probably not the best choice if you want to be staying right next to the action. If you are walking to the apartment rather than driving then you have to walk through the hospital to get to your room and this is another potential hunting ground for none working girls. I am amazed at the number of gorgeous looking nurses and hospital staff that go out of their way to be friendly and I may try my luck on the way back this afternoon.

On a recent visit to Khon Kaen with a Thai colleague we found the selection very limited at every one of the 'nicer' soapy massage joints, perhaps because it was a rainy Friday night. We had thought of attending the small soi of 500 baht brothels but my friend thought they might not be fully open or might be understaffed due to the rain.

In the end we found hardly any girls at the 'Lily' massage in the Princess Hotel, but the price was still 1,000 all in. We found the largest and best selection at good old Ceasar's massage. Their 1,200 baht range ('Bird Bird') was empty, and there were also no girls in the 1,700 baht 'Superstar' level, but about 6-7 girls all in the middle level at 1,500 baht. I can't remember the name of this level, but nothing could beat 'Bird Bird'. We each saw a girl we liked, but went off to look at the top of the line - Kosa Hotel.

However, before we departed Princess Hotel, one of the uniformed functionaries in the parking lot asked us if he could call some girls for us to review. He offered these mysteries at the price of 1,200, and my friend thought that there was a small chance they would be high quality - such as college girls. We waited for a long time, and finally only one mediocre late-twenties cute-but-not-fantastic girl showed up. What a disappointment - no way for 1,200.

At Kosa we found very few girls, and the prices at 1,700 for regular and 2,000 for superstar just seemed offensive to us (they've gone up in the last year). So back to Ceasar at near closing time, where we lucked out and each got the girl we wanted from our previous perusal. The only drawback of this late arrival was the girls had been about to depart, so, perhaps understandably, the sessions were rushed. However on the bright side my girl was very cute, around 22-23, with very well done fake breasts, and provided the usual bath and vigourous soaping handjob, as well as both a mediocre blowjob and bbfs without me even asking. However partway through the banging she seemed to have a second thought, so I promised a barebacker's gratuity and to pull out. I can report that I honored the first at 300 bahts, but did not fully the latter. Hee hee!

Got the girl's number, which interestingly she bragged about to the pimp-boys downstairs. I would return for more if I were a bit more well-heeled or physically incapable of the trip to Pattaya. As I'm neither, that option is still better than Khon Kaen.

[QUOTE=Opebo]However on the bright side my girl was very cute, around 22-23, with very well done fake breasts, and provided the usual bath and vigourous soaping handjob, as well as both a mediocre blowjob and bbfs without me even asking. However partway through the banging she seemed to have a second thought, so I promised a barebacker's gratuity and to pull out. I can report that I honored the first at 300 bahts, but did not fully the latter. Hee hee![/QUOTE]I have no words. Anyway interesting to know what goes on, inland.

I will be staying in Nong Bua Lamphu for some days in April. Info on where to go and what to do, please?

Kurt,

Let's face it, there are just three options:
1- Bring your own
2- Don't go
3- Be a monk for the duration

I don't think its that bad, Freeler.

I've never been to Nong Bua Lampu, except to ride through on the bus, but I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't much there. However there might be something - a small 'song' - so please report to us if you find any, Kurtweiler.

But if there aren't any, please note that according to the map Udon Thani is only 49 kilometers away, and there you will find many brothels and bars as reported extensively on this forum.

I recently visited Mukdahan and found thusly.

I asked my tuktuk driver for 'song'. Small brothels. At a cheap price, hoping for Lao houses ala Udon Thani and Nong Khai. Thai friends had told me such do exist in Muck, but the driver didn't reveal them. He did take me to a 300 baht house near downtown but it was definitely Thai as the women (only two there in the afternoon) were not good looking and well over 30. I tried one for 300 but not before the mamasan pushed for 500 and called me 'keeneeow' when I refused. Honestly 300 was too much for the ones on offer.

Tuktuk then offered me 'beautiful' girls for 1, 500. Quite a price leap but these were to be delivered to my hotel. I almost took it but then asked him if they had 'massage' with beautiful girls. I was hoping for a soapy, as many small towns have one highend place. Well he ended up taking me to a regular massage place, where the girls were so-so. In their late twenties and not bad looking. So upstairs and did a slim girl with alas a blown out stomach (baby) bareback for 1, 500. The price was ridiculous, but I just wanted a story to tell before I left town. Later she said she was Lao, but I would never have guessed from the low quality and high price.

Leaving this place the tuk tuk showed me around that area. It is the area near the 'Mukdahan Tower', which looks like a squat water tower. Just outside town. As we circled the soi which goes round the tower quite a few girls called out to me from the little massage or kareoke joints there, and some were good looking. The place I wasted the 1, 500 was on the main road but most of the places were on this soi round the tower. To get there it is on the road out of town which passes the River City Hotel. You could aske the tuk tuk to take you to that hotel and then ask him to keep going till you see the tower on the left.

Lastly I have heard from acquantainces that the hotel delivery quality is pretty good, and I think you could probably bargain to more like 1,000, though that is still a lot of money.

After Mukdahan I stopped in Roi Et at the Mai Tai soapy where I had a cute slim girl only about 20 years old for 1, 500. Alas she refused to do absolutely anything. Very poor BJ. Just a waste of money and time.

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I do not often post in the Thailand forum (there are a lot of people who have more experience than me in this area) but I recently spent a few days in Udon Thani and thought my brief thoughts as a first time visitor to this city might be useful to others. Udon Thani is not a Pattaya or Bangkok but rather a "Non Tourist" town.

In my opinion the girls here are much more natural and relaxed and much less pushy than their BKK or Pattaya sisters and the whole scene is very "laid back. "

If you are passing through you. T. There are definitely places to go and plenty of opportunities if you look for them.

I stayed at Ton Koon Hotel. 700 Baht / night inc breakfast for a perfectly adequate, and large, room. Yes it is GF.

This hotel is around 20 mins walk, or a short Tuc Tuc ride from the centre of town. Most of the "entertainment" is within a short walk from the central bus station. Several Farrang bars around. The best known probably being The Irish Clock, run by an Englishman and offering good food.

My favourite bar / restaurant was Mojo. Just 5 mins walk from the bus station. Excellent food (Farrang and Thai) with very helpful management and friendly staff. In fact I think that I called in here each day I was in you. T. For a meal or just a drink or two. Currently they have "house doubles" of spirits on offer at 100 Baht (inc mixer.) Mojo is a little unusual as unlike many of the bars you can not bar fine the waitresses and there are no "lady drinks. "

However Dave and the other Farrangs there are a mine of useful information for a first time visitor on the city and the current info on the various places to go!

As has been mentioned previously Soi 1, 2 and 7 all have interesting venues and are only a few minutes walk from any of the central bars. Ton Koon Hotel (and several of the other hotels) have Karaoke and massage available and one hotel (I forget the name but 2 mins walk left from Ton Koon) has a fishbowl with a few rather cute girls when I visited.

A lot of the girls working the smaller establishments are from Laos with the staff being changed on a regular basis with new young girls being bought in, working for a few weeks and then, presumably, returning to Laos!

The 2 night markets (near the railway station) also had a few cute amateurs / part timers on the nights that I visited but, as usual YMMV!

So, Udon Thani is probably not a place that you would want to make a special journey to but, if you are there as a stopping off point on your way to or from Laos there is plenty to keep you amused for a few days.

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[QUOTE=Hotman 666]Ton Koon Hotel (and several of the other hotels) have Karaoke and massage available and one hotel (I forget the name but 2 mins walk left from Ton Koon) has a fishbowl with a few rather cute girls when I visited[/QUOTE]
You probably mean Oscar Massage at Charoensri Palace Hotel

Guys if you’re going to Udon Thoni don’t stay at the Ton Koon, stay at the Ruy Suk Mansion.
It’s half the price, it’s closer to the entertainment, it’s brand new, free WiFi, free water, and AC. Get this it’s half the price of Ton Koon and is guest friendly!!!
We (a gaggle of friends) always stay there a good group of hobbyists that are always up to showing a new comer around. There’s Brits, a couple Americans, some Auzzies, some Swedes, and of course Canadians to boot.
My first trip up there I didn’t know shit, and didn’t know any one. All I knew was some of the old Vets had been talking about Udon being the next Pattaya and I need to go check it out.
So off I went, and yes this place will be the next Pattaya. Right now it’s laid back there isn’t any pushing of lady drinks, or “take me short time” shit, and the best part there isn’t one dam Indian guy try to sell you a new suite.

The must stops:
Harley O’Tools –owner Eddie
The G-Spot –owner Kenny
The Auzzie Bar -owner Justin

All good guys and will be happy to point you in the right direction.
BTW: here is the reservation page for the Ruy Suk Mansion check out the frick-N prices ([url]http://www.********************.com/pb/wp_4827b7ca/wp_4827b7ca.html[/url])

Besides the early morning (before 7am visit to Soi 2), and another visit after 1pm are there any other mid-morning venues available in Udon Thani??
Don't like having to wake-up the girls on Soi 2, as they normally get to sleep around 7am and don't get up for lunch until 12-1pm.

Of course the mail doesn't open until 11am (weekdays) and 10am (weekends).

Addition: Any daytime action in Lam Bua Lampun, it's only 20 minutes form the house!!! How about Nong Wua So???

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]

Addition: Any daytime action in Lam Bua Lampun, it's only 20 minutes form the house!!! How about Nong Wua So???[/QUOTE]
Can you speak thai? There is action pretty much everywhere in Thailand, you just have to know how to find it. I'm sure if you took a journey out there and poked around a bit you'd find something. Half the fun is in the discovery!

Khon Khaen

Using past information posted on ISG, I checked out the area of Khon Kaen near the intersection of Prachasumran Street (where many clubs are, including Club Rad) and Si Chan. If you go about 100 meters north of this intersection there is a street running east to west that has a few brothels on it. By north, I mean walking away from Club Rad, and continuing on via a nearby street, even though Prachasumran street ends..

I walked down this small east to west street on a Friday night around 11:30 and had 2 older unattractive ladies (maybe in their 30s or 40s) offer me service for 500 baht. I wasn't interested and told them so, and the price quickly dropped to 400. I headed east and saw a few other brothels. One had a few younger ladies, one of which was wearing some cute lingerie. But the loudest talkative one who acted as a mouthpiece for the group was a bit rude to me. She was probably rude because I was a foreigner and made it clear I spoke minimal Thai. In the typical Isaan way, she acted pissed at the farang and made a fake gesture like she was slapping me. I never could understand why some ladies from Isaan act that way. Maybe she didn’t want to deal with some farang stranger? I talked to her in English and made a fake slapping gesture in return. I didn’t want to put up with the hassle to talk to the cutie, so I decided to pass, and left.

Looks like there was some potential in Khon Khaen, though I didn’t pursue it. I had tried to stop by Eric's bar earlier that same evening, but some neighbors told me it was closed for some sort of holiday. I didn’t check out any of the soapies, since I was short on cash. They seemed easy to find, though.

Nong Khai

The next day I arrived in Nong Khai. I was staying at a crummy little dive named “Pong Vichitr Hotel” that I heard about from Lonely Planet. They were all out of AC rooms, but for 200 baht I got a fan room. The clerks spoke little English, but I had a problem I needed help with (I left my towel in another room of the hotel... long story) and ended up talking to one of them for a while. After the problem was resolved he pulled me aside and made fucking gestures with his fingers and asked me “Lady?” I didn’t want to deal with him, since I had plans to walk to a brothel later, so just shrugged him off. But this little interaction leads me to believe this hotel might be guest friendly and at least one clerk is willing to hook you up. I’m not recommending this place because it’s shabby and everything is falling apart, but maybe someone out there with a small budget might find this tip useful. Thanks Lonely Planet, we mongers appreciate it!

The directions to find the brothel on Soi Sri Boon Ruang 2 with big breasted Lao ladies was very helpful and accurate. It took perhaps 20 minutes to walk there from Pong Vichitr. I arrived at around 8:30pm and found about 4 working girls out front as well as a baby and an old lady. Everyone seemed a bit young for my tastes (except for the old lady, ha ha). The only one there with truly large breasts looked like a teenager, so I stayed away from her. The others had small racks, though no smaller than normal. I selected a nice looking spinner, Nok, who quoted me 400 baht. Nok is 22 and from Vientiane. She kept trying to get me to pay first, but with a lot of patience and limited Thai I managed to communicate that I would pay after.

The room was a bit dingy with concrete walls and corrugated tin siding. Not exactly dirty, but definitely simple and rough. No shower. There were plenty of condoms under the pillow of the bed, but I brought my own. Nok’s performance was a mechanical. She wasn’t unfriendly, but distant. Not a GFE, but not icy either. Did pretty good BBJ for a bit, but refused to do more. No DFK. Then HJ and sex. She asked for a tip afterwards, and at first I wasn’t going to give her any. Then she asked for 40 baht, which seemed reasonable so I handed it over. Total = 440 baht.

I walked up to Meechai on my way back. On Meechai, between Soi Sri Boon Ruang 2 and Soi Sri Boon Ruang 1 was another brothel. This one had 2 ladies out front who called out to me. One of them had a black eye, which made me a little uncomfortable. What kind of cat house has a woman with a black eye trying to draw in customers? I didn't stop to talk and kept walking.

[QUOTE=Opebo]. However partway through the banging she seemed to have a second thought, so I promised a barebacker's gratuity and to pull out. I can report that I honored the first at 300 bahts, but did not fully the latter. Hee hee! [/QUOTE]Wow man, you're a real class act!

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Besides the early morning (before 7am visit to Soi 2), and another visit after 1pm are there any other mid-morning venues available in Udon Thani??[/QUOTE]I suppose it might work if you can plan ahead a bit. Book someone from Soi 7 on the previous day, for delivery at a specified time. I asked for delivery at 11pm, they were punctual.

If delivery isn't convenient, the whole of Soi 7 is short-time drive-in hotels, looked fine to me.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]I suppose it might work if you can plan ahead a bit. Book someone from Soi 7 on the previous day, for delivery at a specified time. I asked for delivery at 11pm, they were punctual.

If delivery isn't convenient, the whole of Soi 7 is short-time drive-in hotels, looked fine to me.[/QUOTE]
What are prices for girls on soi 7 going for now?

[QUOTE=Amjeck]What are prices for girls on soi 7 going for now?[/QUOTE]At the first shop the papasan got me for 800 for a very cute girl. Wanted 150 more for room, but I decline and ask for delivery. He wanted the money on the spot, but agree when I prefer COD.

The next 3 shops all quoted me 700.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo]I walked down this small east to west street on a Friday night around 11:30 and had 2 older unattractive ladies (maybe in their 30s or 40s) offer me service for 500 baht. I wasn't interested and told them so, and the price quickly dropped to 400. I headed east and saw a few other brothels. One had a few younger ladies, one of which was wearing some cute lingerie. But the loudest talkative one who acted as a mouthpiece for the group was a bit rude to me. She was probably rude because I was a foreigner and made it clear I spoke minimal Thai. In the typical Isaan way, she acted pissed at the farang and made a fake gesture like she was slapping me. I never could understand why some ladies from Isaan act that way. Maybe she didn’t want to deal with some farang stranger?[/QUOTE]I don’t think she acted that way because you were a foreigner. Probably it was the yabba that was doing the talking.

I say so because I think I saw the girl you’re talking about. Last January a friend and I spent a weekend in KK and one day we were walking down that street when we saw a small group of brothel girls, a dishy one and a somewhat chubby one among them. My friend commented that the dishy one didn’t look half bad and that he wouldn’t mind spending some time with her.

When the chubby girl saw us looking (at the dishy one, of course ;)), she brashly approached us and offered herself for B500. Just like you, her overbearing behaviour discouraged us from approaching the cute girl. We declined and walked along but she didn’t take no for an answer and kept badgering us for a while till she got tired and went back. We could see she had a weird look in her eyes so we assumed she was under the influence.

Don’t take the slapping gesture seriously. Thai girls do it all the time. :)

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]I suppose it might work if you can plan ahead a bit. Book someone from Soi 7 on the previous day, for delivery at a specified time. I asked for delivery at 11pm, they were punctual. If delivery isn't convenient, the whole of Soi 7 is short-time drive-in hotels, looked fine to me.[/QUOTE]Huh? Drive-in hotels? I assume you used that metaphorically ;)

Udon Soi 2 going rate being 400 baht, all in.

They'll try charging you 500 baht or an additional 100 baht for a room. Normally, in house rooms are included in the 400 baht and the brothels without rooms normally charge 300 baht plus 100 baht for a room. Rooms are located right across the street.

I'm sure you could get everything for 300 bath, but I'm happy with paying 400 baht for an afternoon get together with a sweet Lao lady.

Finding that a BBBJ is common and I've been lucky where the ladies I've choosen (limited English if any) work hard to make me happy!!!

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]At the first shop the papasan got me for 800 for a very cute girl. Wanted 150 more for room, but I decline and ask for delivery. He wanted the money on the spot, but agree when I prefer COD.

The next 3 shops all quoted me 700.[/QUOTE]Last time I was in Udon (a year ago) i was quoted 700 ST also. I spoke Thai to the pimp. Did you speak Thai or English? Just curious if it is even an issue.

[QUOTE=El Culion]Huh? Drive-in hotels? I assume you used that metaphorically ;)[/QUOTE]Like motels. Park your car outside the room. Or the motocy drops you in front of the room. I remember the same in Santipap (?) area in Chiang Mai .. got a gal in 99 Karaoke, and the motocy took us to a room like that, in a street like that.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Last time I was in Udon (a year ago) i was quoted 700 ST also. I spoke Thai to the pimp. Did you speak Thai or English? Just curious if it is even an issue.[/QUOTE]I spoke Thai, but caveman would also work (just grunt and point). Maybe caveman would work better than farang.

Understanding some Thai does help -- in Soi 2 the one pimp was telling the other "ask for 500", but I was already handing over the 400 -- the guy said "oh-ho, farang knows the price!"

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I praise Opebo for his fine work and good reports. Keep banging the needy isaan girls![/QUOTE]Thank you, I will. But alas I probably won't be reporting about it. Tiger has succeeded in having me censored, and I find it difficult to write about my experiences if I can't mention how the actual sex takes place. I always like to think I'm giving information to people who are looking for what I'm looking for.

But Tiger is certainly with the majority in this world, and so I will aquiesce to his influence, since, after all, I have no choice. Perhaps it is for the best as Germany was about to ban ISG because of me.

However, Amjeck, I can comment generally that you are correct about the pimp-connection in Issan. I have met two or three of these mama-san pimps around, and in smaller towns where traditional brothels are basically not tolerated anymore these ladies are a good connection. However so far I haven't found their quality to be any better than the old brothels used to have. (I guess essentially they're a substitute for the brothels).

Here is a good English speaking dentist in Udon Thani:

Prattana Dandhanin DDS
Panyavejinter Hospital
Telephone: 042 34 3111
Fax: 042 34 3065

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Come on Opebo... Who the hell cares about what Tiger thinks? it is his opinion and, although he is entitled to it, it hardly commands censorship.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Daddy07]WTF??? Can you tell us what is going on here? Are you serious?[/QUOTE]As I understand it I may not mention certain types of sexual intercourse, as Tiger43's concerns elicited this ruling:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=870150&postcount=137[/url]

But I shall be glad to comment generally or answer questions about which bus line to ride to Udon - things like that. We have to be careful not to offend the Regierung.

[QUOTE=Opebo]As I understand it I may not mention certain types of sexual intercourse, as Tiger43's concerns elicited this ruling:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=870150&postcount=137[/url]

But I shall be glad to comment generally or answer questions about which bus line to ride to Udon - things like that. We have to be careful not to offend the Regierung.[/QUOTE]I saw that ruling and frankly do not interpret it as censoring you in any way. Quite the contrary, Jackson is telling guys like Tiger to restrict their complaints about unsafe sex practices to the Safe Sex thread, and to stop taunting you for your opinions and activities.

In short, your reports have not violated any of the forums rules IMO, and you should have no fear of continuing your informative and interesting contributions.

PAUL2020,

How much does this dentist charge for a cleaning and general check-up, including x-ray.

Mosquito2002

[blue]Greetings Everyone,

I recently cleaned up this thread by deleting a number of off-topic and otherwise worthless posts by Tiger43, as well as a number responses made by other forum members to these deleted posts.

This cleanup process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently deleted a few otherwise legitimate posts. If you find that your own report was also deleted, please don't take it personally.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Opebo]Thank you, I will. But alas I probably won't be reporting about it. Tiger has succeeded in having me censored, and I find it difficult to write about my experiences if I can't mention how the actual sex takes place.[/QUOTE][quote=Daddy07]I saw that ruling and frankly do not interpret it as censoring you in any way. Quite the contrary, Jackson is telling guys like Tiger to restrict their complaints about unsafe sex practices to the Safe Sex thread, and to stop taunting you for your opinions and activities.

In short, your reports have not violated any of the forums rules IMO, and you should have no fear of continuing your informative and interesting contributions.[/quote][blue]Greetings everyone,

Daddy07 is indeed correct, and Opebo is welcome to post accurate reports of his experiences, bare back or covered.

For the sake of clarity, I have revised my post of 04-14-09 to remove my original references to reporting Opebo's posts.

The bottom line is this: I don't want a chorus of do-gooders chiming in every time somebody mentions that they didn't use a condom, but I also don't want guys taunting the do-gooders by unnecessarily amplifying their bare back exploits.

Admittedly the distinction is a fine line whose precise position is still under development.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

I thank our benefactor for his clarification and I will endeavor not to taunt anyone.

My backlog is like this - I've been visiting Khon Kaen a lot, where I find that more and more I gravitate towards Ceasar. Its a good mid-priced place where you get a bit more value than at Kosa, and the girls aren't quite so full of themselves. I suppose working at Kosa those girls rightfully think they're the 'best in town'. The girls at Lilly's (at the Princess hotel) are only 1,000, but they're just not quite up to the standard looks or age wise.

I've had several girls recently from the 1,200 baht (Bird Bird) category at Ceasar, and they've been great. Yes it is still a lot of money but somehow I just can't stand going to the little brothels in KK - as others have recently reported, most of the girls there are so impertinent! (And I do find that impertinence is predictive of bad service).

I also made one visit to the nearby (one hour further down the road) town of Maha Sarakham, where I found that the little brothels that were there years ago seem to be permanently gone. They even seemed to be literally knocked down and their soi utterly deserted. However in that part of the downtown near the old brothel soi - basically along the canal between the big hotel and the downtown shopping mall - I was approached each of the two nights I was there by a different mama-with-girls between nine and eleven PM. The mamas were old hags, each with 2-3 girls, all riding motorbikes (or sitting in wait upon them).

The offerings were similar to the old brothels - cute but far from beautiful 19-25 year old Thai girls, who charge Thai guys 500 baht. Though both evenings I was quoted 1,000 I easily bargained to 600. Poor service of course, but I got the bare minimum at a nearby short-time hotel. Interestingly, when I was at this hotel (called the 'Holiday Inn'), [i]another[/i] mamasan had a gathering of girls in one of the rooms and she tried to approach me but my girl and her mama-san sort of interposed themselves. I think the second mama looked to have much better looking girls. Alas when I came out an hour later they had all left. If only we could get ahold of the phone numbers the local Thai guys have, as I think the good pimps never troll the streets.

There are often similar pimp-and-girl groups near the old bus station in Khon Kaen but I haven't had much luck with them. They seem more hard-bitten - the girls I tried in M.S. were like kind of awkward country girls. I also checked out the short time motel I know in Khon Kaen - I think it is called the Playboy Hotel - for such girls hanging around, but there were none. As I mentioned in a previous report the bellman at Princess would call girls for perusal, but they were nothing special and 1,200 baht. So, I'm still searching for connections in KK, which I visit much more often.

I should be making it up to Udon in the next couple of weeks. My Thai friends keep visiting there and report that all is open and functioning, but they always complain that their favorites are never there - in other words the turnover of girls is very high.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]PAUL2020,

How much does this dentist charge for a cleaning and general check-up, including x-ray.

Mosquito2002[/QUOTE]Not sure about the X-ray. I paid for one last year but can't remember the cost. It wasn't much. Here is their official price list from April.

April 2009
Amalgam Filling 350
Composite resin filling 450
Sealant 300
Fluoride application 300
Pulpectomy and Pulpotomy 1200-1600
Stainless Steel crown 1200-1500
Space maintainer 1000-1200
Cleaning and Polishing full mouth 500-600
Diastema closure 1000-1200
Crown 5,000-12,000
Implant 55,000
Oral Examination, Sealant one tooth, Polishing full mouth, Fluoride Application 500

I went to soi 2 and wherever I go I was quoted 400 baths. 300 was impossible to get.

My friend didn't want me to go there because he said these girls are controlled but it's not so easy, girls can go to hotel alone.

I first took a girl in her room but had to pay the pimp first. Ok. No BBBJ and couldn't argue for it as I had alreaday paid.

500 was the price to take a girl at my hotel. I negociated to the pimp to pay after and he was ok. A guy took us to the charoensri grand hotel but he wanted I pay first. Maybe the girl told him this hotel was not girl friendly (he was) and they wanted the money first. I just said bye.

Do you pay before or after at soi 2?

[QUOTE=Paul2020]Not sure about the X-ray. I paid for one last year but can't remember the cost. It wasn't much. Here is their official price list from April.

April 2009
Amalgam Filling 350
Composite resin filling 450
Sealant 300
Fluoride application 300
Pulpectomy and Pulpotomy 1200-1600
Stainless Steel crown 1200-1500
Space maintainer 1000-1200
Cleaning and Polishing full mouth 500-600
Diastema closure 1000-1200
Crown 5,000-12,000
Implant 55,000
Oral Examination, Sealant one tooth, Polishing full mouth, Fluoride Application 500[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info, Paul, but in which city is this hospital?

[QUOTE=Oosik1]Thanks for the info, Paul, but in which city is this hospital?[/QUOTE]

After taking the time to do further research (like scrolling down), I see it is Udon Thani. Oh, I do love Isaan.

[QUOTE=Zimroel]Do you pay before or after at soi 2?[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately in most low-end Thai-oriented venues pay before is the norm. So you have little or no influence over the quality of service. Also on my last visits they have always demanded 400 baht, including from my Thai friends who have gone both with me and without me at times. I think you can still expect to get service for 300 at Soi Sow Fie Dang.

As for going to the Charoensi Grand for short time - that seems strange. Isn't that a 1,000-1,500 baht hotel? Better go to a cheaper place. No one is comfortable in such a place, least of all working girls whose legal status may be questionable.

Confirm, pay upfront. Normally, 400 baht which will include the on site room or off-sight room. I normally tip 200 baht for good service and 100 baht for the standard nip and tug!!!

Yes, the Grand hotel runs 1.5K plus per night!!!

sir,

i am not an angel, or i else i would not pay for this website and for the services of asian ladies, but i do not believe it is wise, reporting about sex with **** girls, experiences with drugs and unprotected sex with prostitutes on this forum, or even bragging about it. since bareback sex is mostly glorified under the isaan thread, i replied there and not under the safer sex thread. i doubt anybody is reading the latter, before he needs advice for his itching dick or worse things. maybe most of the bb-reports are just fiction. "history of o".

[quote=opebo]thank you, i will. but alas i probably won't be reporting about it. tiger has succeeded in having me censored, and i find it difficult to write about my experiences if i can't mention how the actual sex takes place. i always like to think i'm giving information to people who are looking for what i'm looking for.

but tiger is certainly with the majority in this world, and so i will aquiesce to his influence, since, after all, i have no choice. perhaps it is for the best as germany was about to ban isg because of me.

however, amjeck, i can comment generally that you are correct about the pimp-connection in issan. i have met two or three of these mama-san pimps around, and in smaller towns where traditional brothels are basically not tolerated anymore these ladies are a good connection. however so far i haven't found their quality to be any better than the old brothels used to have. (i guess essentially they're a substitute for the brothels).[/quote]

hi jackson,

can you please ban this sanctimonious fucking wanker !

i thought that he was to be deleted, according to your post a couple of days ago regarding subject matter.

thanking you in anticipation.

kiwi

[quote=tiger43]sir,

i am not an angel, or i else i would not pay for this website and for the services of asian ladies, but i do not believe it is wise, reporting about sex with **** girls, experiences with drugs and unprotected sex with prostitutes on this forum, or even bragging about it. since bareback sex is mostly glorified under the isaan thread, i replied there and not under the safer sex thread. i doubt anybody is reading the latter, before he needs advice for his itching dick or worse things. maybe most of the bb-reports are just fiction. "history of o".[/quote]

[quote=tiger43]i do not believe it is wise, reporting about sex with **** girls, experiences with drugs and unprotected sex with prostitutes on this forum, or even bragging about it. [/quote]

well, it doesn't really matter what you believe, tiger43, it only matters what the rules allow us (or not) to post.

Sir,

Who makes the rules? God? The webmaster promises a hassle free sex website for 20 USD per year. I want to enjoy the simple pleasures of life for a little money, because I am not as attractive any more, that anybody will pay me for sex, but I do not want to get into trouble if I am using this website.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Well, it doesn't really matter what you believe, Tiger43, it only matters what the rules allow us (or not) to post.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tiger43]Sir,

Who makes the rules? God? The webmaster promises a hassle free sex website for 20 USD per year. I want to enjoy the simple pleasures of life for a little money, because I am not as attractive any more, that anybody will pay me for sex, but I do not want to get into trouble if I am using this website.[/QUOTE]

Sir,

I hate to be the one to have to tell you this but I guess you missed the memo? God does not exist ;)

In ISG, Jackson makes the rules and here they are for your perusal: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-forumrules.php[/url]

Have fun

Mr. Tiger......I don't know you, and you might well be a really nice guy, but in here you are a definite distraction. In electrical terms, you are "out of phase" with the norms and karma of this site. In Thailand, the Thais regard confrontation as a very negative behavior. In ISG, confrontation is not really appreciated either. Please just mellow a bit and simply enjoy. You might consider adding a few photos now and then also.

Dear Mr. Oosik,

You are right, I have to get back to SE-Asia and China soon, so I can enjoy the excellent services of the pretty ladies. Before I can, I have to earn more money in Germany. Sometimes I give the girls not only a tip, but also a couple of farang size condoms (top quality made in Germany) for their farang customers who cannot afford them. They apreciate it very much. So you are also right, that I am really a nice guy, as you are.

[QUOTE=Oosik1]Mr. Tiger......I don't know you, and you might well be a really nice guy, but in here you are a definite distraction. In electrical terms, you are "out of phase" with the norms and karma of this site. In Thailand, the Thais regard confrontation as a very negative behavior. In ISG, confrontation is not really appreciated either. Please just mellow a bit and simply enjoy. You might consider adding a few photos now and then also.[/QUOTE]

Been living in Udon Thani for the past 8 months, and I still haven't found a place that sells corn beef (slab). Tesco/Big C/Carrefour all have canned corn beef, but I'm dying for a decent slab of corn beef that I can cook myself with some cabbage.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Been living in Udon Thani for the past 8 months, and I still haven't found a place that sells corn beef (slab). Tesco/Big C/Carrefour all have canned corn beef, but I'm dying for a decent slab of corn beef that I can cook myself with some cabbage.[/QUOTE]

In desperation, buy some salt pork and make pig ass and cabbage. That's what my grandfather called it. Not healthy, but tasty. Oh, he died of heart failure in his 60's.

[QUOTE=Kiwi 69]Hi Jackson,

Can you please ban this sanctimonious fucking wanker !

I thought that he was to be deleted, according to your post a couple of days ago regarding subject matter.

Thanking you in anticipation.

Kiwi[/QUOTE]Fully agree with kiwi. This guy excepted giving moral lessons is useless on this thread. But more of all, he probably never been in such kind of place. Bareback sex is offered in all the asian country, no just in isaan.

Why you became shock here? Did you think the majority of the girl in Cambodia are legal? Why you don t give moral lesson in Cambodia section?

For drug the large majority of the hookers take yaba in Thailand/cambo, shabu in Philippines, icebaby in Malaysia/indonesia. Just check the arms of the hookers instead of faking surprise.

Come back to the reality Tiger43. You re shock because some poster are more honest in their post than many.

Another visit to Udon. I'm beginning to tire of the place, but my Thai friends always drag me there. They love it.

As for me this go round on Soi Sow Fie Dang I got service for 300 baht as before. I can report that there are far, far more and better looking girls on the soi than on many previous visits. However the girl I was with was very reluctant to agree to my requests for sex as nature intended, and when she finally did, she lay there looking like she hated me the whole time. I soldiered on for some 30 minutes of see-saw, but finally gave up - I just can't finish with the girl acting like its killing her.

She was quite cute though, and the standard on the Soi had become quite high. It was my Thai friend's first time actually taking girls from Sow Fie Dang - one was quite happy, the other not so much due to being a typical picky Thai guy.

Later we visited Soi 2, attending the 'better' house as my friends always like to do. My unsatisfied friend and I each took a girl - he one of the few 800 baht 'special' girls (she really was hot) - and I one of the regular 600 baht girls. My girl looked just as hot in my opinion, but there was something about his that made her the mot just for the Thai taste. He later reported satisfactory service from this premium girl.

Alas in the room, though my girl was smiley, fun, frisky and vivacious, she would not agree to anything that I would enjoy or the Holy Father approve. Well, to be fair there was a very brief and poor BBBJ, but nothing else. I ended up trying it her plasticine way but of course experienced no pleasure or release. After a while I stopped and we tried BBHJ, but to no avail. The Lao girls seem to be becoming more and more insistent on the modern repulsive ways. On the bright side the girl's breasts were amazing - you know that gravity defying kind you get in Lao and Viets sometimes. But what good is that without service?

A visit to Udon with no ejaculation was a depressing experience.

[b]Perfect Breasts, Bad Service:[/b]

I stopped in at Roi Et again, but couldn't find anything going other than the same old Mai Tai Soapy, where yet again I got a cute girl and bad service, just like the last time (though a different girl). Prices were at 1,200, 1,500, and 1,700, which seems to be fairly common at these places.

Just like last time, I thought I was taking the cutest girl in the place, and it looked like she was in the 1,700 section, but when I paid I was only charged 1,500. So it just goes to show that 1) Thai tastes differ from ours a bit, and 2) the girls sit where they like.

Driving on to Mukdahan I was too tired to seek out the 300-500 baht 'Song' that I keep hearing do exist there, a la Udon. I struck up a conversation with a certain type of seedy-but-prosperous older Thai guy and asked him if there were any and he said there were definitely, but he wasn't up for precise directions. Finally I let the tuk tuks lead me to 'ab nam nuit', hoping for a soapy, but they took me back to the area around 'Mukdahan Tower', where there are little massage and kareoke joints as covers for prostitution.

There I was shown a really knockout selection of cute Lao girls - about the level of Soi Sow Fie Dang in Udon, but all in their early twenties (which is more my style anyway). Two offered to go with me together so I just flipped a coin to choose between them, which seemed to amuse them. The charge was 240 for a Thai massage - apparently only for an hour because it was pretty rudimentary.

Afterwards she offered sex for 2,000 baht. In the old days, when Southeast Asia was a better place, I would have been too offended by a price like that to even continue negotiations. As it was, I said, no, 1,000. She balked at that, so I offered 1,500 but only for the natural product without preservatives. She agreed, and after she returned from the shower I realized she was an absolute doll - those amazing, full, upstanding breasts you get in Lao and Viet girls but rarely in Thais.

Anyway, the sex was very poor as there was no BJ and after a mere 20 minutes she was crying 'jep jep' 'too big', etc., as these upcountry girls invariably do. So I left unrequited. Opebo is more a 60 minute man, and alas in this country that means only in the civilized parts is he likely to gain satisfaction.

Upon reflection, I can state that I have almost never (maybe 2 times in 8 years) had what I would consider 'great sex' in Issan, or for that matter anywhere in Thailand outside of Pattaya/Bangkok. I have fairly often been able to find what I would call 'adequate' sex in Isaan, but the vast majority of the time the sex there is very bad. Very, very bad. But I recommend it to those of you who get off on perfect breasts and bad service.

Opebo, I enjoyed your report, but am wondering about your statement that in your experience, you see Isaan as having less to offer in terms of sexual performance. I am not questioning your experiences, but am wondering if perhaps you are neglecting to consider that on those occasions your performance was also a factor in the results. After all, it takes two to tango, and girls are pretty much the same everywhere with exceptions for cultural differences. Example: Vietnam has a more critcal attitude about pre-marital sex than does Thailand. So, that being the case, and in wondering if you are generalizing about sexual performance in Isaan, the other possibility is perhaps your "performance" or attitude (pre-disposed to receiving less than stellar perfomance in Isaan). Just wondering. Not intended to cast dispersions on your skills.

[QUOTE=Oosik1]Opebo, I am not questioning your experiences, but...[/QUOTE]

Oosik, your post is a penetrating one, but I was referring to the issue of performance - which is about skill, attitude, and experience. The girls in Pattaya have a large experience of the porno-minded farang customer. He may be fairly well endowed and bang for lengthy periods of time. He may demand skillful oral or even anal sex (or anyway these are tremendous selling points).

By contrast the girls in Issan have almost entirely Thai men as customers, and these fellows, while extremely demanding about the appearance of the girl, don't seem to care much at all about service. The typical Isaan service provider either gives no BBBJ or just the most perfunctory one. She is used to the intercourse only lasting a few minutes at most. I think she's also used to the man being so very horny that he needs little encouragement (Thai guys may not be large or long lasting, but as I understand it they are Johnny On the Spot).

The only 'great' sex I had in Issan was I think with a girl just come back from Pattaya, and the only 'good' sex I get (and I do get it often) is with regulars with whom I have a 'chemistry'. They can't do much in the way of extras, but they get into the sex and seem to enjoy a good long hard bang.

Opebo

No matter what you report on whether good, bad or indifferent, your reports are always colorful enough to keep me interested and entertained. Most of the rest of the writers on this board, especially the MP section as of late, are simply boring.

Keep UP the good work.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Oosik, your post is a penetrating one, but I was referring to the issue of performance - which is about skill, attitude, and experience. The girls in Pattaya have a large experience of the porno-minded farang customer. He may be fairly well endowed and bang for lengthy periods of time. He may demand skillful oral or even anal sex (or anyway these are tremendous selling points).

By contrast the girls in Issan have almost entirely Thai men as customers, and these fellows, while extremely demanding about the appearance of the girl, don't seem to care much at all about service. The typical Isaan service provider either gives no BBBJ or just the most perfunctory one. She is used to the intercourse only lasting a few minutes at most. I think she's also used to the man being so very horny that he needs little encouragement (Thai guys may not be large or long lasting, but as I understand it they are Johnny On the Spot).

The only 'great' sex I had in Issan was I think with a girl just come back from Pattaya, and the only 'good' sex I get (and I do get it often) is with regulars with whom I have a 'chemistry'. They can't do much in the way of extras, but they get into the sex and seem to enjoy a good long hard bang.[/QUOTE]


OK, with your added expanation, I would agree that Pattaya, etc., experience would be more "worldly" than girls of Isaan who just do their thing with mostly Thai men. I have found, however, that many of the Isaan girls I have been with greatly enjoy a more gentle, slow, tender, and long lasting love session....especially when the cunnilingus is done in a quality fashion with the pleasure of the girl being foremost, instead of that of the man. I have had Isaan girls tell me that the "word" among most girls with farang experiences is that farangs are much preferred, except for those farangs who have only themselves in mind when engaging in sex. And yes, your reports ARE interesting. Have you or anyone reading this ever been to the Modern Ban Dung Resort outside of Ban Dung....east northeast of Udon? If so, I'd be interested in your comments. I was there once and would love to return. Memorable night.

[QUOTE=Oosik1]....especially when the cunnilingus is done in a quality fashion with the pleasure of the girl being foremost, instead of that of the man. I have had Isaan girls tell me that the "word" among most girls with farang experiences is that farangs are much preferred, except for those farangs who have only themselves in mind when engaging in sex.[/quote]

Um.. I am paying these girls, so I would think that the pleasure 'of the man' - namely me - should be if not foremost at least given some consideration. And at 1,000-1,500 baht I'd say quite a lot of consideration. Alas, such is not often the case, because, as I mentioned, the service providers in Isaan provide very bad service, on average.

Anyway, while cunnilingus isn't really 'my thing', I have often asked girls to do it just to see what they'll say (and in the vain hope that it will get them going), but in fact the vast majority of Issan girls categorically refuse to allow it.

[QUOTE=Oosik1]....And yes, your reports ARE interesting. Have you or anyone reading this ever been to the Modern Ban Dung Resort outside of Ban Dung....east northeast of Udon? If so, I'd be interested in your comments. I was there once and would love to return. Memorable night.[/QUOTE]

No I have not. Is that on some big manmade lake? Anyway I've not been there.. is it a good place for girls?

Hi Oosik

No disrespect to you but i can only assume you havent spent much time in the brothels and establishments that Opebo is referring to. He is absolutely correct in his analysis and you would have to be very brave and actually downright stupid to be trying cunnilingus in the establishments he is talking about...it would be unthinkable. You do not go to those establishments to make love..you go there to unload and get out..the benefit is perfect firm Laos bodies, not the actual sex itself.

I am in Udon now and then Nong Khai tomorrow.

No offence intended.

You are correct, Bowerboy, I don't spend much time in brothels or places with Bgirls and freelancers. My partners are almost entirely business or professional women. Yes, on occasion I partake, but I am very careful about where I eat my meals.

When you go into any brothels in Issan or elsewhere in Thailand, do not look into the garbage can. There is always a whole pile of juicy condoms to make good apetite for you.

You could be the #15th guy by 3PM.

Irish Cock for dinner, had a steak with fries/chips and it was good.
Hit a few bars on the same street (place was dead), most bars had at least one cutie and very few customers. Night-Out Complex was hurting for customers, most customers looked like local farangs. Asking price was 300 baht barfine and 1000 baht S/T and 1500 LT.
The Irish Cock waitresses are the best looking on the street!!!

At 9:30 headed to the go-go (only one in Udon Thani), about 12-14 ladies dancing and they changed out regularly (after about 1-2 songs). Went thru the line-up in about an hour. Drinks were 100 baht, this included ladies drinks. Girls were asking 2K shorttime, didn't ask the LT price, as I didn't want to laugh in the ladies face twice!! No bear breasts, they kept their semi-skimpy bikinis on all the time and once off stage they put on a long shirt.
Warning: Going to the restroom will involve getting a massage from a guy while you're pissing!!!

While walking around did see a few pairs of females walking around, per previous posts they could be looking for action.......but they were all past their expiration date/prime.

Didn't hit Mojo's, noticed the other Irish bar (angled on the other side of the street from the Irish Cock, can't remember the name) was closed for a few months due to limited customers in town.

[QUOTE=Oosik1] Have you or anyone reading this ever been to the Modern Ban Dung Resort outside of Ban Dung....east northeast of Udon? If so, I'd be interested in your comments. I was there once and would love to return. Memorable night.[/QUOTE]

Spent a night at the resort last year. We were there on a Monday night and there were lots of girls at the Karaoke with most of them being pretty good looking. I was able to last for an hour there before I just had to leave. I wasn't sure of the system, my partner found out later, and went home alone. The lady that runs the place was rather nice and funny and drunk, I bet she would have been fun a few years back. Actually I bet she'd be fun right now.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Asking price was 300 baht barfine and 1000 baht S/T and 1500 LT.[/QUOTE]

Really outrageous. While I admit they're not a precise substitute because of the poor service, the girls of the hidden sois are generally much better looking than the girls in those farang bars, and they charge only 300-600 baht short time. It is strange that the girls in the farang bars can get away with charging so much.

Previous reports on Buriram will, I think, be found on the Other Areas Topic.

Freeler previously mentioned several bars to be found round the bend on the road that leads from the train station to the bus station.

These bars are generally open in the evenings, although some are partially open in the afternoon, with a spattering of girls. More often than not the girls have their kids with them in the afternoons.

To pinpoint the bars, they are located either side of the Siam Hotel, a rather nice quiet hotel, situate back from the road with rooms starting at 700bt.

If you were to walk up the soi directly opposite the entrance to the Siam Hotel, either late morning or afternoon you would see several girls sitting around in their rooms which line the soi, all of whom will seek you out for pam pam at 500bt.

Unfortunately they will not accept 300bt, as it appears several people require payoffs, but at 500bt the service is good, and Opebo should have no complaints!

[QUOTE=Opebo] It is strange that the girls in the farang bars can get away with charging so much.[/QUOTE]
Have a look at the punters that frequent these bars then you'll understand.

This visit I arrived at about 11:30 PM, which wasn't so good. Ceasar had almost no girls left, and the majordomo just tried to foist one off on me. I hate when there's no choice. So I left, and took a look at Kosa, but it was already almost midnight by then, and all the girls were leaving. Several Thai guys and I arrived at the same moment, and all milled about in apparent hope of getting service, but the girls seemed very eager to leave and the dude told me they were 'just closing'. So, I left.

I then found my way over to the small soi of brothels near downtown, which are, happily, still open. But, as usual, I found them offputting in some way. The girls just seem a bit impertinent and I anticipated so much trouble in the room above about proper service. So, I left.

Finally I explored around the old non-air-con bus station - by now it must have been 12:30 or so. By the way driving around town on this weekend night was a headache - so many people out and so much going on. I hate driving, and Khon Kaen always seems full of prosperous Thais having their night out. I always feel old and broke in Khon Kaen with all those rich young Thais about.

So anyway, at the bus station I found some streetwalkers, some of which were actually out on their own. I stopped and talked to a couple here and there, and they were up for sex for 500 baht but given that they weren't very good looking I decided to make my stipulations before taking; they both declined.

I was then approached by a lady boy who was offering an actual girl as well as himself. I left. Finally round the corner by another entrance of the bus station I found several more freelancers, and a mamasan who had two or three girls. One of her girls was a very sexy one, or anyway to my taste - though she was quite dark, she was tall, slim, and extremely nubile looking. Tattoos as well. Don't get me wrong, the trashy girl isn't my easthetic, its just that I do find they perform better. Mama offered this girl at 1,000 baht, and all the others in the area for just 500. I balked, not wanting the worse ones at all, and offering 500 for the cute one. I even walked back to my car to leave, when mama ran after me and we worked out a deal - 500 to mama now, and 200 more to the girl when we finished.

So, off to Playboy Motel, which is a bit out of town past the train station - 150 baht shorttime rooms with mirrors, round bed, and ancient porn movies on the TV. The girl turned out to be very nice with her clothes off.. nice firm breasts, smooth skin, peirced navel. Amazingly she performed a very creditable blow job! I had expected nothing in the usual Issan style. However there was a quite extended dispute about bareback, but I finally had my way after promising to 'sai nam tini' pointing at her breasts. I have no idea if that is correct but it worked.

Sex was very good - true to form, like many tattooed darker, 'bad girls', her vagina was reasonably copious and durable, thus allowing an endowed man to take his pleasure and his time. A near Pattaya level bang! I pulled out as promised (what a sterling character) and even gave a hundred baht tip (perhaps foolhardy). Dropped her back at the bus station with a sense of surprise and satisfaction. The only real downside of the evening was that the girl's manner was almost like a streetwalker back home - rather cold and distant.

Opebo,

Would that be the aircon or the ordinary bus station?


Thanks,
Freeler

[QUOTE=Opebo]This visit I arrived at about 11:30 PM, which wasn't so good. Ceasar had almost no girls left, and the majordomo just tried to foist one off on me. I hate when there's no choice. So I left, and took a look at Kosa, but it was already almost midnight by then, and all the girls were leaving. Several Thai guys and I arrived at the same moment, and all milled about in apparent hope of getting service, but the girls seemed very eager to leave and the dude told me they were 'just closing'. So, I left.

I then found my way over to the small soi of brothels near downtown, which are, happily, still open. But, as usual, I found them offputting in some way. The girls just seem a bit impertinent and I anticipated so much trouble in the room above about proper service. So, I left.

Finally I explored around the old non-air-con bus station - by now it must have been 12:30 or so. By the way driving around town on this weekend night was a headache - so many people out and so much going on. I hate driving, and Khon Kaen always seems full of prosperous Thais having their night out. I always feel old and broke in Khon Kaen with all those rich young Thais about.

So anyway, at the bus station I found some streetwalkers, some of which were actually out on their own. I stopped and talked to a couple here and there, and they were up for sex for 500 baht but given that they weren't very good looking I decided to make my stipulations before taking; they both declined.

I was then approached by a lady boy who was offering an actual girl as well as himself. I left. Finally round the corner by another entrance of the bus station I found several more freelancers, and a mamasan who had two or three girls. One of her girls was a very sexy one, or anyway to my taste - though she was quite dark, she was tall, slim, and extremely nubile looking. Tattoos as well. Don't get me wrong, the trashy girl isn't my easthetic, its just that I do find they perform better. Mama offered this girl at 1,000 baht, and all the others in the area for just 500. I balked, not wanting the worse ones at all, and offering 500 for the cute one. I even walked back to my car to leave, when mama ran after me and we worked out a deal - 500 to mama now, and 200 more to the girl when we finished.

So, off to Playboy Motel, which is a bit out of town past the train station - 150 baht shorttime rooms with mirrors, round bed, and ancient porn movies on the TV. The girl turned out to be very nice with her clothes off.. nice firm breasts, smooth skin, peirced navel. Amazingly she performed a very creditable blow job! I had expected nothing in the usual Issan style. However there was a quite extended dispute about bareback, but I finally had my way after promising to 'sai nam tini' pointing at her breasts. I have no idea if that is correct but it worked.

Sex was very good - true to form, like many tattooed darker, 'bad girls', her vagina was reasonably copious and durable, thus allowing an endowed man to take his pleasure and his time. A near Pattaya level bang! I pulled out as promised (what a sterling character) and even gave a hundred baht tip (perhaps foolhardy). Dropped her back at the bus station with a sense of surprise and satisfaction. The only real downside of the evening was that the girl's manner was almost like a streetwalker back home - rather cold and distant.[/QUOTE]Great report! You do seem to get around. Perhaps you have some advice on where a good place to find girls like the one you mentioned in your report would be in Korat? I've skimmed through the Korat-specific thread, although mostly found reference to the girls in the park and the various more expensive massage places.

I'd be happy to hear from anyone for that matter for good places to find "bad" girls in Korat, preferably pierced and tattooed.

That scene is found at the ordinary bus station, Freeler, and on the streets near there. I think I saw a total of 7-8 girls around there.

[QUOTE=Bloodstock]Great report! You do seem to get around. Perhaps you have some advice on where a good place to find girls like the one you mentioned in your report would be in Korat? I've skimmed through the Korat-specific thread, although mostly found reference to the girls in the park and the various more expensive massage places.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Blood, but I've only been mongering in Korat a few times, and each time I wrote a report - you might be able to find them in the 'Other Areas' section as they're a few years old now. As you say some people like the park but I always had pretty poor experiences with girls from there - very hostile, like american streetwalkers, with poor service. Ugly too. I've never been to high-end places in Korat, only in Khon Kaen.

One night I got a tuk tuk to show me a couple places around town that looked like mini-soapies (girls sitting in a lineup with numbers) where if I remember I was quoted in the 500-600 baht range. He also took me to a couple of places that one might classify as similar to 'song' or like the small brothels I mentioned in my previous report on Khon Kaen. But none of these places, either down and dirty brothel or mini (cheap) soapy seemed to be in its own soi of establishments.. more like he had to take me by tuk tuk to each one, which was free standing on its own. Unusual. Anyway I never did any sex in any of those places, but I guess its around.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]... the other Irish bar (angled on the other side of the street from the Irish Cock, can't remember the name) was closed for a few months due to limited customers in town.[/QUOTE]Yes, Harley O'Toole is closed.
The girls now work in Harmony Bar (diagonally opposite Adulyadet, Soi 2)

I returned a few days later to the bus station area in Khon Kaen, hoping to find the same girl. Alas she was not there (are they ever?), and I should have just left and come back another day, but it was late and there were no options left. Mamasan pushed a young cute one on me, and we bargained to 800 baht - 500 to Mama, and 300 after the deed was done.

I had a bad feeling of course, as I often do, and when we got to the hotel it turned out she wouldn't do anything that I wanted to do. She then called Mama, and on the phone it sounded like she was convinced to acquiesce to Mr. Farang's demands. But, unfortunately after hanging up she continued recalcitrant. Shortly thereafter I gave up in frustration, and she locked herself in the bathroom.

At this point I just left - went outside and drove away, leaving her to make her own way back to the Stroll. In retrospect it seems a hotheaded thing to do, and it probably prevents me from accessing those bus station girls again, but at the time I just wanted away from yet another bad-service-girl. Upcountry it is so much the norm that sometimes one despairs. Anyway not only were the prices a bit high, I couldn't help feeling nervous about how verifiable the ages of the girls might be when push came to shove. So its probably for the best I have burned that bridge.

Man, going with a new girl is such a risk - not only is the chance about 90% that it will be bad, there's even a good chance it will lead to a loss of the option of visiting a decent one you had before from the same venue.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Thanks Blood, but I've only been mongering in Korat a few times, and each time I wrote a report - you might be able to find them in the 'Other Areas' section as they're a few years old now. As you say some people like the park but I always had pretty poor experiences with girls from there - very hostile, like american streetwalkers, with poor service. Ugly too. I've never been to high-end places in Korat, only in Khon Kaen.

One night I got a tuk tuk to show me a couple places around town that looked like mini-soapies (girls sitting in a lineup with numbers) where if I remember I was quoted in the 500-600 baht range. He also took me to a couple of places that one might classify as similar to 'song' or like the small brothels I mentioned in my previous report on Khon Kaen. But none of these places, either down and dirty brothel or mini (cheap) soapy seemed to be in its own soi of establishments.. more like he had to take me by tuk tuk to each one, which was free standing on its own. Unusual. Anyway I never did any sex in any of those places, but I guess its around.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your answer, Opebo. I guess I will just have to see what I can find when I get there. Keep up the good work!

[QUOTE=Opebo

Man, going with a new girl is such a risk - not only is the chance about 90% that it will be bad, there's even a good chance it will lead to a loss of the option of visiting a decent one you had before from the same venue.[/QUOTE]


Yes, Opebo, I think we all have had some bad luck on occasions with the pay for play girls, but that is, after all, part of the fun and challenge of being the "hunter." We keep looking for that very special one.

You apparently are quite experienced at mongering, and I do not want to sound like the "all knowing one" when it comes to mongering, but from my experience it is more of a challenge, and more satisfying to "hunt" amongst the non-professional ladies. I don't know anything about you....retired?.....young/old?......profession?....social circle?.....etc., but in my case, I really enjoy meeting by chance or by design young (and sometimes older) women who hold down professional jobs in business, education, government, etc., and seeing where it will go. Due to the work I do, I have been very fortunate to meet many "connected" Thais. Parties, dinners, artistic performances, etc., become the venue for the ensuing encounters. The critical factor in successful mongering with this strategy is .......don't let the left hand know what the right hand is doing. Thai women are like all women...they are very territorial, and many joke about carrying a knife for male surgery, but some, in fact DO. Every once in a while, I get the urge to forgo the chicanery and visit a local soapy, because sometimes, I just want to GET LAID. To each his own, however. That is what is so wonderful about the LOS.......the menu of opportunities is extensive. I leave you with a caveat, however........BE VERY CAREFUL WITH WHOM YOU PARTAKE IN SEX GAMES, ESPECIALLY IF IT INVOLVES ROPES OR CORDS. :-)

Oosik, I do end up with the kind of girls you describe, at times, but I never pursue that sort. I'm just too lazy. And there's nothing I like better than a good, well, 'service provider'.

Opebo, here is one of my favorites. She surprised me when she invited me to CIM, so, being the gentleman I am, I obliged.

This sweet young lady works (worked?) in the karaoke bar next door. She was a GFE who reminded me of my high school days. Sweet girl.

I just got back from Udon Thani where I found Soi Sow Fie Dang and Soi 2 both closed up tight one night, and only very minimally open the next - I actually saw the squads and paddy wagons patrolling around the area just as I rolled into town. Yes, I had that sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach when I saw that discouraging sight.

Even on the second night there were certain periods when the pimps shooed me away saying 'police, police'. The second night I managed to find a couple of houses open on Sow Fie Dang, though the great majority of places were closed tight. Sadly the girls on offer were nothing compared to what it was like just a month ago. I barebacked an unattractive chubby one for a while but couldn't gain any satisfaction; the final thrill of the evening was finding 500 baht missing from my trousers after I returned from the bucket room. I honestly do think that its the less attractive girls who are more likely to steal, but in this case she was the only one the mama recommended as being able to 'smoke' (turns out this was false advertising).

Later that night I looked for streetwalkers in the usual area - the road from mall to train station. There were only two out, and not very good, so I didn't take. I did pop into a new area of farang bars there braching off of that street. It is called 'Nutty Soi' or 'Nutty House' - something like that.. maybe it was 'Nutty Place'. There were quite a few bars here, and the atmosphere was alright for sipping a tea for a few minutes, but there weren't any girls that looked very attractive.

Another night, having given up on the sad remnants of the secret sois, and longing for service which isn't available in those venues even in the best of times, I checked out the local soapies. "Oscar" is located behind the Chareonsi Palace Hotel. This place had mediocre girls priced at 1,350 and 1,650. None looked nearly as cute as the girls I saw on the street all day, nor could I discern anything preferrable about the higher priced ones. I moved on to the place just a few blocks away near the Udon Hotel - can't remember if it was opposite or behind this hotel. It had a long Thai name that was impossible to remember but I was told it was something like Butterfly or Firefly. This place was really outrageously fancy, much more so than the slightly run down Oscar, but the girls were definitely less attractive at the 1,550 baht level. However there were two at the 1,950 level, one of which was reasonably attractive.

So up I went with this absurdly overpriced girl - I felt a little like a bullock being led to the slaughterhouse. Nowadays I have more money than I used to, but do find I'm much less satisfied most of the time. Service was essentially nothing at all. Various totally plasticine sex acts were gotten through, tiresomely, joylessly. I felt, quite honestly, gentlemen, quite bored. Finally an interminable and mediocre handjob led to a release which, I have to say, was more like getting a tooth pulled than an enjoyment. But nevertheless, the bad seed was [i]out[/i], and I was free to just go attend to even less interesting activities for a while.

Of course as any reader of reports on the Secret Sois of Udon (particularly mine own) will know, the service there is atrocious as well, but at least the price is only 300-600 baht. And even though bareback is becoming nearly impossible to get there, it isn't completely impossible yet. I have to reiterate - don't go to Udon for sex, but if you are there (and it is a pleasant town overall), the best solution is to visit the Sois multiple times, if they're open, and eventually you'll get a decent experience. However don't bring any extra money (or keep it with you in the shower), and count on a lot of wasted tries.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I just got back from Udon Thani where I found Soi Sow Fie Dang and Soi 2 both closed up tight one night, and only very minimally open the next - I actually saw the squads and paddy wagons patrolling around the area just as I rolled into town. [/QUOTE]
What about soi 7? How long is the sweep going to last for?

I agree about what you said concerning the overpriced soapie next to Udon Hotel. In fact, they use the dual pricing system there. It's a rip-off IMO.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]What about soi 7? How long is the sweep going to last for?[/quote]

I was invited to visit Soi 7 by many tuk-tuk drivers, who claimed it was 'open', but I don't like the arrangement there. I hate waiting at the motel for girls to arrive via motorbike, and I've found the service there even worse than Soi 2 or Sow Fie Dang. As for your question about the length of the current sweep, I have no way of knowing about that.

[quote=Amjeck]I agree about what you said concerning the overpriced soapie next to Udon Hotel. In fact, they use the dual pricing system there. It's a rip-off IMO.[/QUOTE]

I took the trouble to eavesdrop on the major-domo listing prices to the Thai customers before I asked myself. I was proffered the same prices that the Thai visitors were.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I was invited to visit Soi 7 by many tuk-tuk drivers, who claimed it was 'open', but I don't like the arrangement there. I hate waiting at the motel for girls to arrive via motorbike[/QUOTE]
I heard you can go to the place where the girls are waiting and make a choice there. Anyone know if this is doable? Also, are the prices on soi 7 still quoted at 700ST?

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I heard you can go to the place where the girls are waiting and make a choice there. Anyone know if this is doable?[/QUOTE]

I was only brought to such a place once years ago, and at that time the place was right there on Soi Seven, just very secretive. I seriously doubt that it is still there, and certainly no one has ever offered such a visit again. I tend to doubt that such an arrangement has survived all the crackdowns.

I can report that it was a nice place - large selection of nice girls. It was not, however any better than the girls available in the 'nice' house on the sub-soi of Soi 2 - the one branching off to the left as you enter. The 600 baht house, I mean. The girls there have been until the recent closure the equal or better of Soi 7's offerings, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I heard you can go to the place where the girls are waiting and make a choice there. Anyone know if this is doable? Also, are the prices on soi 7 still quoted at 700ST?[/QUOTE]

I walked down soi 7 and was offered girls at two places. The first one took me to a bungalow nearby. Asking price was 800, I think just taking a chance. The girl was fine but I asked for her to be delivered to my hotel later, rather than use the bungalow. That went smoothly too. The second place had about 15 gals to choose from, asking price 700. Looks like the entire soi consists of shorttime motels.

I wonder whether publicity on the internet has any role in the reported closure ..

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]I wonder whether publicity on the internet has any role in the reported closure ..[/QUOTE]

Probably not, as websites such as this are not widely publicized. When there are exposes on TV like you used to get about Cambodia before it closed, or get about Pattaya now, then maybe it will effect the Udon sois.

For now I think the controlling factors are local politics, shifting loyalties, and bribe-eliciting strategems, and anyway it has been going on for years like this - sometimes open, sometimes closed.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Probably not, as websites such as this are not widely publicized. When there are exposes on TV[/QUOTE]

Well, I'd expect sites like this are a very easy way for the exposes to get their info.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]I walked down soi 7 and was offered girls at two places. The first one took me to a bungalow nearby. Asking price was 800, I think just taking a chance. The girl was fine but I asked for her to be delivered to my hotel later, rather than use the bungalow. That went smoothly too. The second place had about 15 gals to choose from, asking price 700. Looks like the entire soi consists of shorttime motels.

I wonder whether publicity on the internet has any role in the reported closure ..[/QUOTE]
So you were able to to check out the "holding den" before you took them out to the hotel? What time were you there and how was the quality?

The old set up on soi 7 was a lot of fun. Many years ago you could drink in the small bars then pick a girl. Everything has changed, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]So you were able to to check out the "holding den" before you took them out to the hotel? What time were you there and how was the quality?[/QUOTE]

Yes indeed. The previous time I took pot luck and got a girl called Bua. Quite lovely. This time I entered the den and could look around. I asked for Bua, and met her older sister. But I had already booked a girl at the previous place, so I didn't book any here. There were no old uglies, and no one who made me catch my breath in awe either. It was still light outside, only just.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]The old set up on soi 7 was a lot of fun. Many years ago you could drink in the small bars then pick a girl. Everything has changed, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]

I come too late, too late!

I arrived yet again in Khon Kaen near Soapy closing time (the ridiculous 12:00 midnight). I find it hard to adjust to the early hours of everything in Thailand; that said, its just as bad or worse in my sad homeland. I think I was meant to be a Spaniard or Portuguese and stay up all night.

As it was too late for those Soapies, I thought to call the girl I tried a few weeks ago from the Bus Station. I'd had a bad experience with another girl there in the interrim (reported below), in which I even left the girl at the motel without fully paying. So I was a bit nervous about dealing with this same group again. Anyway, the good one answered and told me to go find her 'with Ma-Ma'.

So, I went to the bus station, where I saw about four distinct groups of hookers and pimps, more on the road next to the bus station than in the station itself. In each group there were 2-4 girls. I was pretty sure I saw a couple of motorcycle cops having a chat with one group, which worried me. As for the mama, she was sitting alone, and had to call the girls to her - I wondered if it was a precaution against the police. Mama did remember me, but apparently didn't remember or chose to forget my bad behavior in leaving the poor-service girl at the hotel the previous time.

Soon my favorite arrived and off we went to the short time motel - Playboy does have some pretty good rooms and porn. The girl gave really fantastic service for Isaan - very nice blow job, and for something like a full ten minutes, followed by cowgirl-doggy-missionary, all done in the natural and pleasurable way. In addition she seemed to enjoy the really rough, hard, deep banging that most local girls can't handle. I even finished inside, which she didn't like much , but no hard feelings. The best part was she was very wet and appeared 'into it'. I was quoted 1,000 initially by the mama but agreed on exactly 800. Last time I agreed to 700 but included a 100 baht tip, so its came to the same thing. The denoument - she was very unrushed, even hanging around for about 20 minutes after the deed was done to continue watching porn and 'cuddling'. No second round though - which is just as well as I don't do wel with those at my age.

All in all a very fine evening - I went home feeling very much 'back in the saddle' after recent bad experiences.

I wonder if I may have discovered the reason for the recent crackdowns in Udon. Of course the overall environment in Thailand is gradually ever increasing crackdowns on our hobby, but what may have motivated the recent sharp uptick was an expose on Thai TV.

My Thai friends report that there was a big news story on the local Thai news shows based on an 'investigative reporter' entering the houses on Soi 2 with a hidden camera. The footage was then used to present the sois as '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]'. Ole fatty mamma's reach is long and powerful, gentlemen.

One can only fantasize about what our friends and allies the pimp-men of Udon would have done to this snake and traitor had they discovered his secret agenda whilst still in the brothel.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I wonder if I may have discovered the reason for the recent crackdowns in Udon. Of course the overall environment in Thailand is gradually ever increasing crackdowns on our hobby, but what may have motivated the recent sharp uptick was an expose on Thai TV.

My Thai friends report that there was a big news story on the local Thai news shows based on an 'investigative reporter' entering the houses on Soi 2 with a hidden camera. The footage was then used to present the sois as '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]'. Ole fatty mamma's reach is long and powerful, gentlemen.

One can only fantasize about what our friends and allies the pimp-men of Udon would have done to this snake and traitor had they discovered his secret agenda whilst still in the brothel.[/QUOTE]Humm. That sound like what s happened in svay pak (Cambodia). This time the girls trafficked are the poors Lao girls. Maybe members here should be more discreet about udon.

When you can already read in the new lonely planet edition: Udon sees few travellers other than a growing number of sex tourist. That smell very bad for mongers. It's just question time before udon brothels closed their doors forever (like svay pak in Cambodia). Especialy if this time western network are in the biz.

This area gets way too much publicity in recent years. The scenes here are solely for locals just like any other Thai countrysides. But too many foreigners ventured into it and get on all sorts of sex sites and exposed the once all local scenes, this is bad for future existence of this whole monger areas, because believe it or not, there are lots of NGO people who get all sorts of infos from site like this so they can accomplish their mission for their interests.

And this area is getting famous because all the foreign traffic and also it involves non-Thai workers. But in my more than 10 years of adventures into SE Asia backwaters, there are lady houses with similar setting all over Thai upcountry, and there are many other big monger areas in Thailand that involve non-Thai workers, Kanchanaburi, Mae Sot, Mae Sai, Chiang Rai, Nong Khai ect, but none gets the same level of publicity.

Remember all these upcountry Thai scenes are intended for local Thais, and we foreigners should not keep exposing it to the world and to these people who are doing jobs according to their own morality, according to their own principles and according to their own religion.

This area is different from Svay Pak, all the girls know they are there to make money and they are there on their OWN Will, and they are all old enough to know what they want and what they are doing, and they are all getting paid for their services, you don't find kids like in Svay Pak, they are not sex slaves, they are not locked, they are free to move around and go home, but to these people with hidden camera, they can EXTORT any truth to achieve their own interests. That's why I do not make any postings on these Thai local sensitive areas any more, because it only takes a hidden camera from these NGO with an agenda to destroy a whole legitimate local activity, and the establishments may finally shut all doors on foreigners, and I feel this has already begun to happen. If this explicit exposing keeps on, it's a matter of time all establishments in all local scenes all over Thailand chase away all foreigners.

Well, service is so bad there that its no great loss if it is closed, but I think in fairness, RCAknight, the exposure is bound to come from Thais regardless of foreigners or this website. Yes, in the case of the dear departed K11 the loss was all about outsider NGOs, but Thailand is an advanced country now, with investigative reporters, feminists, and 'family-values' religious parties of its own.

The fact is, our hobby cannot long survive the winds of change in this world. The deck is stacked against us. I just call myself lucky to have seen K11 a few times before it was lost.

Weren't Mae Sai, Mai Sot, and Chiang Rai all closed down years ago?

[QUOTE=Opebo]The fact is, our hobby cannot long survive the winds of change in this world. The deck is stacked against us. I just call myself lucky to have seen K11 a few times before it was lost.[/QUOTE]My reply is in the fight thread :)

the udon sois were open during a recent weekend when i was passing through although the nice place in the sub-soi off soi 2 was unfortunately closed.

instead meagre offerings in the other places on soi 2 and no bargaining below 500 baht.

the soi opposite tot was also open but conditions there are slightly worse than anything on soi 2, if that is possible. one guy i met later claimed that he was given a lady he thought was at least 22 but when she took off her heavily padded bra and appeared to be naturally hairless down below, he was suspicious that it was a police trap. he took off despite having already handed over 300 baht. while i know the chances that it was a police trap were slim and perhaps the lady was above the age limit, that is not a risk worth taking. i would have done the same. but it also tells me that some of these brothel providers in the soi opposite tot are also not helping the situation by letting seemingly **** ladies work there. remember, in the media frenzy, it is only the appearance that matters.

[quote=opebo]i wonder if i may have discovered the reason for the recent crackdowns in udon. of course the overall environment in thailand is gradually ever increasing crackdowns on our hobby, but what may have motivated the recent sharp uptick was an expose on thai tv.

my thai friends report that there was a big news story on the local thai news shows based on an 'investigative reporter' entering the houses on soi 2 with a hidden camera. the footage was then used to present the sois as '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]'. ole fatty mamma's reach is long and powerful, gentlemen.

one can only fantasize about what our friends and allies the pimp-men of udon would have done to this snake and traitor had they discovered his secret agenda whilst still in the brothel.[/quote]

As long as the media frenzy is restricted to Thai local level, it won't be any threat to closure. When things cool down, everything back to normal, because Thai authority and these establishments are in the same boat together to make money.

The worst fear is the media frenzy becomes international pressure, then the central authority may have to act to save the Thai faces and to pretend they are doing something. If we foreigners give the whole area a little discreet and do not over publicize it and becomes an international issue, then it will survive because it's not in the interest of authority to close it down.

Kanchanaburi has more lady houses than all these places put together, has more non-Thai working girls than all these places, but it does not get any kind of international publicity, due to difficult for foreigners to get to them, and harder for foreigners to get around this area, so it has survived and thrived all these years, never had a closure problem.

To me the survival of all these places is not related to the domestic threat from the inside but international pressure from these psudo morality society that wish all guys and gals to be celibate.

[QUOTE=Simian]...the nice place in the sub-soi off soi 2 was unfortunately closed.[/quote]

Yes, that was the one my friends said the hidden camera visited - they recognized it from our many visits.

[QUOTE=Simian]...he thought was at least 22 but when she took off her heavily padded bra and appeared to be naturally hairless down below, he was suspicious that it was a police trap.[/QUOTE]

Hah, what a paranoid. There are of course many girls there that suit Thai tastes, but none so young as to be 'hairless'.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]Kanchanaburi has more lady houses... difficult for foreigners to get to them, and harder for foreigners to get around this area[/QUOTE]

Why is it hard for foreigners to get to them? Are foreigners barred from these places? I only went to Kanchanaburi once many years ago and at that time I was such a novice I couldn't get laid there at all, much less in secret houses. I just looked at that bridge - wasted youth.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]
Kanchanaburi has more lady houses than all these places put together, has more non-Thai working girls than all these places. [/QUOTE]

Pray tell. How do I find those? Who to talk to, where to go? What are the prices? When I visited Kanchanaburi, it seemed rather quiet.

As Opebo laments, the game is on decline everywhere. One day, Lower Suk will look like Times Square, NYC -- it's almost inevitable. We should enjoy it while we can.

[QUOTE=Siman]...he thought was at least 22 but when she took off her heavily padded bra and appeared to be naturally hairless down below, he was suspicious that it was a police trap.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Opebo]Hah, what a paranoid. There are of course many girls there that suit Thai tastes, but none so young as to be 'hairless'. [/QUOTE]On more than one ocassion have I been with Asian girls who were clearly over 20, but naturally hairless down south, including in Soi Sow Fie Dang, so I don't think the panic was justified.

remember there was a foreign tourist died mysteriously in udon jail about 2 years ago. when the story came out on english paper it reads" german **** commits suicide in udon".

i happened to pass udon on the way to laos right after this incident, and according to my scandinavian pal who has lived there for 15 years, he said it is a police extortion case gone wrong as he was told by his cop friend. the accused **** was clearly set up by the management and the police, they tried to extort him a huge amount but the tourist very defiant and won't pay a penny, and threaten police to reveal the extortion in court, so the police had to perform a suicide for him. best to remember police are friends of all these establishments and they sometimes will pull some stunts together, thai or cambodian or filippino cops are not our friends.

these extortion cases happen more often than we think all over thailand, cambodia and all over sea, almost all victims negotiate and pay the fees and get the hell out of these banana countries.

so its probably better to be extremely cautious and paranoid than too laid back about everything in these lands where police is your biggest enemy.

About Kanchanaburi, the scene is very spread out in outskirks, one should hire a very very trustworthy motoboy as guide and bodyguard, aim for railroad track first, many kilos along railroad track there are tons of pick up karaokes, lady houses, but the management is not friendly at all like Issan, and the customers there look manacing to foriegners, these places are not used to serve foriegners, and many may not let foriegners in, so be extra careful, many owned and run by Burmese mafia and Thai local mafia gangs. Only recommend to go with a Thai man who you can trust. If you can tackle these psychological fear and be very very low key, then you may find many attractive babes, pricing 500-1000 ST depends on girls and houses. As for me I hired a car with a driver to accompany me on the hunt last year when I was there. And picked a very nice babe from a karaoke bar along railroad track outside of town, and paid the fees for 2 whole days and nights, 4000 bahts to the house (bargained down from 5000), and had the driver driven us to Pung Waan Kwai Noi Resort 30 min out of town on Kwai Noi River. My secret get away with a nice babe around that area. Toyota commuter minivan with a driver 2000 a day plus gas and tips extra.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]So its probably better to be extremely cautious and paranoid than too laid back about everything in these lands where police is your biggest enemy.[/QUOTE]

Police are our biggest enemy every where in the world, no doubt worse here. Try my foolproof scheme of being poor - the locals are astute at discerning how much money we have, and believe me, they would not bother with me.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]...the fees for 2 whole days and nights, 4000 bahts to the house (bargained down from 5000)[/QUOTE]

Ouch! So its no cheaper than staying in Bangkok or Pattaya. For me the whole point of adventure mongering is to save money, given the bad service that almost invariably goes with it.

Now on to a [b]Khon Kaen report:[/b]

I visited several times over the last couple of weeks at Kosa and Ceasar. There I found poor service and surprisingly mediocre physiques (once the clothes were off) at Kosa, and mediocre service and decent physiques at Ceasar. The Kosa girl I took was 2,000 baht, which is absurd, and only gave CBJ, which is ridiculous.

Of the two Ceasar girls one offered service which would please many mongers (good BBBJ), and another offered service which would please me (BBBJ + BBFS), except in both cases they were incredibly rushed. This is probably due to the fact that I always visit these places near closing time, but what can one do? It seems uncivilized to go for sex in the afternoon, and they close at the difficult hour of just midnight.

In one case I simply could not finish with the girl blatantly clockwatching after just 30 minutes, and in the other, the girl got the feeling I wasn't enjoying it - which was true - and offered to go get another girl for an additional 1,200. I thought, well, she knows what I want, so she'll bring her friend she knows can fulfill the request. But no, just an uglier girl who also won't do much. I left unrequited and 2,700 baht poorer.

I also took a look at Lilly's in the Charoen Thani Princess Hotel, but the price has gone up from 1,000 to 1,200, and there were only two untempting girls in the soapy side of the fishbowl. Lots of girls in the massage side, but I don't care for mixing massage and sexual activities. Also looked at the massage place upstairs at Kosa - ostensibly just ordinary massage but I was informed that sex could be had for 1,000 in addition to the massage cost, which I think was about 500. Obviously I passed.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]This area gets way too much publicity in recent years. The scenes here are solely for locals just like any other Thai countrysides. But too many foreigners ventured into it and get on all sorts of sex sites and exposed the once all local scenes, this is bad for future existence of this whole monger areas, because believe it or not, there are lots of NGO people who get all sorts of infos from site like this so they can accomplish their mission for their interests.

And this area is getting famous because all the foreign traffic and also it involves non-Thai workers. But in my more than 10 years of adventures into SE Asia backwaters, there are lady houses with similar setting all over Thai upcountry, and there are many other big monger areas in Thailand that involve non-Thai workers, Kanchanaburi, Mae Sot, Mae Sai, Chiang Rai, Nong Khai ect, but none gets the same level of publicity.

Remember all these upcountry Thai scenes are intended for local Thais, and we foreigners should not keep exposing it to the world and to these people who are doing jobs according to their own morality, according to their own principles and according to their own religion.

This area is different from Svay Pak, all the girls know they are there to make money and they are there on their OWN Will, and they are all old enough to know what they want and what they are doing, and they are all getting paid for their services, you don't find kids like in Svay Pak, they are not sex slaves, they are not locked, they are free to move around and go home, but to these people with hidden camera, they can EXTORT any truth to achieve their own interests. That's why I do not make any postings on these Thai local sensitive areas any more, because it only takes a hidden camera from these NGO with an agenda to destroy a whole legitimate local activity, and the establishments may finally shut all doors on foreigners, and I feel this has already begun to happen. If this explicit exposing keeps on, it's a matter of time all establishments in all local scenes all over Thailand chase away all foreigners.[/QUOTE]Fully agree with you, in 2000, when I started to travel in Thailand, farang was in very limited number in udon.; just some month, some fellow goes to spend their holiday with their local girlfriend. But since 2003 the city has changed a lot. In 2003 a bar strip happened near Robinson. Some famous place Like "Erwin"(rarely mentioned here btw) became out of fashion

Yes Udon scene is over exposed on that time. Since I travel in this country I can see some city like udon, but also pitsanulok, khorat, chiang rai guested more and more farang despite the lack of good hotel and sightseeing.; ever if pitsanulok is not mentioned from a while, and chiang rai crackdown let the city almost dead. Just compared jetyod road in 2003 and now

It s seemed more and more farang are in need of exotism and are bored in their farangland. They also imported their bad habit, and their standard prices

So yes ISG like other forum are watching by ngo. And Udon is the perfect target.; a big city, in the poorest part of Thailand, shared border with one the poorest country in the world. So how do you think network will show the scene for getting watchers? Look how they describe sp.

So it s up to us to maintain this little paradise, by not giving too much details ps:

Just one thinked in svay pak many girls was not trafficked, and their family lives in the suburbia, they was also allowed to go with you in your hotel. Some ever goes to martini at night.

One time I was with a cute girls in svay pak, I asked her, "why you worked here? " she replied to me "some days I can win 40 dollars and my mom is very happy". So I don t think the lao girls in udon and the viet in svay pak was in a different situation. But the same thing destroyed their place of work. But here it s isaan forum not Cambodia forum

Just a last thing: Never argued with cops in Thailand and asia in general, they are very powerfull and can charged you of what they want. To hit you will be not a problem for them. It s better to lost money than life.

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[QUOTE=Opebo]Police are our biggest enemy every where in the world, no doubt worse here.[/QUOTE]

Taking this in a slightly different sense, specifically as regards the topic of this Guide, or rather, of this thread in particular, we seem to be our own biggest enemy.

Check out rightsandwrongs/udonthani. Its revealing!

Opebo or anyone,

Is there anything left of those Sois anymore or is it really all over?

I loved Udon when I was there last and am not happy to hear all this bad news. It was so easy going when I was there. I always planned to come back someday.

Do I need to find a new area?

Cheers,

Calm Quiet

[QUOTE=Calm Quiet]
Is there anything left of those Sois anymore or is it really all over?
[/QUOTE]

Second hand report from a friend who lives there is that the houses are all locked down for now, nothing available. Perhaps they would open again at some future point, difficult to know.

[QUOTE=Calm Quiet]Opebo or anyone,

Is there anything left of those Sois anymore or is it really all over?[/quote]

I've been going there for years and it is very often totally shut down for some days, or weeks, or even months. And it has come back, though never as lively or open as it was those first visits years ago. I would say that there is a good chance you will get laid on those sois again. Will it the future ever be as good as the past? Of this I feel we can be certain that the answer is 'no'.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp]Second hand report from a friend who lives there is that the houses are all locked down for now, nothing available. [/QUOTE]
Does this include all the houses on all the several sois are closed? Where are Thais getting their Lao flavors from now?

I recently visited Khon Kaen, Maha Sarakham, and Roi-Et in quick succession. Where I found:

In KK a friendly girl at Kosa soapy who was not as good looking in bed with her clothes off as in the line-up, who provided decent BBBJ but only covered full service, for 2,000. Actually it even took some persuasion to get the BJ bare. Hand release in the end. At Ceasar I found considerably better looking girls, and took a very good looking tall slim-but-busty 25ish girl who provided a passionate session, with kissing, a good BBBJ, DATY (yes I hardly ever do that but she was passionate and cute), but unfortunately only covered full service, though I was in there bare an inch or two a couple of times during the foreplay. Had to reach the finish line by hand-job as there was no way to come with a condom on. Total cost 1,500.

The first night I stayed at a place the name of which I never caught - outside of downtown near the lake - for 350, but they put me on the fifth floor and the elevator was broken! Moved the next night to the Sawadee Hotel for 450, a much more central location. The weird thing is that in many of these larger Thai towns the newer more suburban hotels are always completely full up with Thais on the weekends, but the older better located downtown hotels will often have rooms, as Thais hate anything old.

While in KK I tried to call a local 'mamasan' whose number I had acquired some months before to provide 'college girls', but the number was shut off already. Who knows. As usual the town was teeming with hot college girls, but without a mama-number, one has little chance with them. I did ask one 'regular' woman on a motorbike for directions as I walked away from Kosa hotel, and instead she gave me a ride to Sawadee on her bike. She definitely seemed up for something but she looked worn and tired at around 30, so I proposed nothing.

Then I was off to the next town, Maha Sarakham, where a friend of mine had informed me he had the number of a mamasan or two. The lady on the phone had us wait for her girls at a short time motel near the downtown. The only drawback to this system is one had to get the 160 baht room-for-two-hours even if one didn't end up taking a girl. The lady seemed insistent that we had to get a room and not just hang around the hotel in the dark. Price, 1,500, pay-before-you-fuck.

The girls who showed up were in fact college girl types, and I think they were actually college girls. We each chose one without much conflict as they were both very good looking - slim, tall and not-very-dark, thus to the Thai taste. I took the short time room. As it turned out my girl provided a really excellent BBBJ, which is a great rarity in Isaan, and we did do BBFS for about five minutes, though she became very upset and told me 'jep jep', and grinding her teeth in anger as I pumped away! So, I stopped immediately and said 'ok', how about you give me some of the money back since you can't fuck. She was terribly pissed off by this but since the money was only the table I took back 500, and she didn't do or say anything, so I left. Rotten experience, but my friend wasn't on the hook as he had taken his girl away. We heard that 1,500 was the normal price for this kind of 'college girl' service, and that there are several mamasans who provide, though how to get their numbers isn't precisely easy. The same thing apparently does exist in Khon Kaen as well for 2,000.

So anyway after that I went to a couple of Kareokes, out near the Big C store on the highway to Kalasin. There I found quite a few decent looking girls, but most late twenties. I finally found a very cute one about 20 and took her for a decent round of sex, BB everything and a creampie Thankfully she didn't rush me or say 'Jep' or complain about my size, but strangely enough she seemed a bit unwashed, which is very unusual for a Thai girl. She wasn't stinky exactly, just.. very over ripe. Total price was about 1,600, including 150 for a short time room, 50 for a Coke, 300 for a 'bar fine', and 1,000 for the girl. I think those kareokes are pretty expensive anyway, and I think the only 'cheat the farang' fee in there might have been the bar fine as I don't think Thais pay any barfine.

We stayed very fancy in this town, at the Takasila hotel, downtown - 1,000 baht per night for a three star kind of place, but it seemed pretty empty. Funnily enough there was a sign at the door when we went in which said 'Takasila Hotel welcomes the Ambassador of Argentina'. What he was doing in this obscure town I don't know, but my friend remarked 'I wonder if ambassadors can get away with calling girls to their hotel rooms'. A the prison which is respectability in our sour, sad world.

The next day I pushed on on my own to the next town, Roi Et, where I stopped in at the Mai Tai soapy massage place at the Mai Tai hotel. There there were a lot of so-so 25-35 year old women in the 1,200 and 1,500 categories, and one 18-20ish cutie in the 1,700 category. I took her and got a very sweet, GFE kind of service with decent BBBJ and BBFS and creampie. Alas however she complained a bit - 'jep jep'. I miss the wide-reamed girls of Pattaya.

I can't recommend any hotels in Roi Et but I can recommend a restaurant called The Elephant or The White Elephant, something like that - the only big farang restaurant in town.

Total costs:

rooms 1,800
girls 5,800
st rooms 340
food 2,000
Gas 600
Total 10,540 or 2,635/day.

Yes, your intrepid Opebo has become old, fat, and a profligate, but I can report that bareback is similarly available if not more available at the high end than it was in my old 300-500 baht haunts.

Hi,

Please where is the Ceasars located in Khon Kaen. Is it near by the Sofitel/Kosa area?

I will stay from Sunday for 3 days at Sofitel (now Pullman) and wants have a good soapy.

Thanks,

Xbroker

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]This area gets way too much publicity in recent years. The scenes here are solely for locals just like any other Thai countrysides. But too many foreigners ventured into it and get on all sorts of sex sites and exposed the once all local scenes, this is bad for future existence of this whole monger areas, because believe it or not, there are lots of NGO people who get all sorts of infos from site like this so they can accomplish their mission for their interests.

And this area is getting famous because all the foreign traffic and also it involves non-Thai workers. But in my more than 10 years of adventures into SE Asia backwaters, there are lady houses with similar setting all over Thai upcountry, and there are many other big monger areas in Thailand that involve non-Thai workers, Kanchanaburi, Mae Sot, Mae Sai, Chiang Rai, Nong Khai ect, but none gets the same level of publicity.

Remember all these upcountry Thai scenes are intended for local Thais, and we foreigners should not keep exposing it to the world and to these people who are doing jobs according to their own morality, according to their own principles and according to their own religion.

This area is different from Svay Pak, all the girls know they are there to make money and they are there on their OWN Will, and they are all old enough to know what they want and what they are doing, and they are all getting paid for their services, you don't find kids like in Svay Pak, they are not sex slaves, they are not locked, they are free to move around and go home, but to these people with hidden camera, they can EXTORT any truth to achieve their own interests. That's why I do not make any postings on these Thai local sensitive areas any more, because it only takes a hidden camera from these NGO with an agenda to destroy a whole legitimate local activity, and the establishments may finally shut all doors on foreigners, and I feel this has already begun to happen. If this explicit exposing keeps on, it's a matter of time all establishments in all local scenes all over Thailand chase away all foreigners.[/QUOTE]Completely Agreed. That goes for any brothal that caters to locals in any country. The less publicity it has, the better. Look what happened in China, and what's now happening in Jakarta. Of course there's also mde, . The list goes on, and on.

I remember when I first started going here, I recommended it to a hawaiian friend who spent years trying to arrange a move to Pattaya, his fav place in the world. Once I showed him UT, he was sold but couldn't keep his mouth shut despite my protest. Now look what has happened, he's shot himself in the foot. Even if the sois do open back up, many will probably restrict farangs from going since they are more trouble than anything. Prices will probably be higher at the ones that allow entry and you always have to look out for raids, and angry locals!

There are some other sois that aren't mentioned here thank god.

[QUOTE=Opebo]

Yes, your intrepid Opebo has become old, fat, and a profligate,

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[QUOTE]

prof⋅li⋅gate
  /ˈprɒflɪgɪt, -ˌgeɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [prof-li-git, -geyt]

–adjective:

1. utterly and shamelessly immoral or dissipated; thoroughly dissolute.

2. recklessly prodigal or extravagant.

Synonyms:

1. abandoned, licentious.
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My new word for the day. Who says you can't learn something new on ISG.

Slim

[QUOTE=Xbroker]Please where is the Ceasars located in Khon Kaen. Is it near by the Sofitel/Kosa area?

I will stay from Sunday for 3 days at Sofitel (now Pullman) and wants have a good soapy. [/QUOTE]

No it is a little way from the Sofitel/Kosa area, on SriChan Road (Hwy 209, the road to Kalasin), at the corner of I think Langmuang, behind the Krung Thai bank there. As you are going away from the Pullman area on 209 towards Kalasin it is on the left side, behind that bank. [url=http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=krung+thai+bank&vps=11&jsv=169c&sll=16.423654,102.834477&sspn=0.017577,0.027595&ie=UTF8&radius=0.91&ev=zi&ei=s-BySpahH5zeuwOwuuxf&cd=3&usq=krung+thai+bank&cid=8650379501212414937&li=lmd]Here's a google map to that bank, Ceasar is not listed.[/url]

If you don't have a car you could just take a tuk tuk as they all know it. Its definitely close enough to walk back after your session if you don't get lost, just a few long blocks. [url=http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=9%2F9+Prachasumran+Road,+Khon+Kaen,+40000,+Thailand+(Pullman+Khon+Kaen+Raja+Orchid+)&daddr=Sri+Chant,+Nai+Muang,+Khon+Kaen,+Thailand+(ATM+Krung+Thai+Bank+Public+Company+Limited)&hl=en&geocode=CS2JCrioqrrhFS-w-gAd1RAhBiEcKoLD0DDjzA%3BFWi1-gAdTishBiHZMxYeU1IMeA&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=16.434901,102.831885&sspn=0.03721,0.055189&ie=UTF8&z=16]Directions from Pullman Hotel.[/url]

When visiting Roi-Et recently I popped in to Mai Tai soapy massage at the Mai Tai hotel. Alas I found no really cute girls there except for a shy one I had taken before who seemed terrified to go with me again. The less attractive and older girls seemed friendly enough but at 1,200-1,500 I feel picky. The papa-san kept calling girls over to sit with me without my asking - this irritated me, as I had no interest in any of the girls he called over. He also ordered me a Pepsi without even asking - yes, I usually do order one, but the thing was 65 baht!

So I left disappointed, thinking 'where will I get laid in Roi-Et'? By this time it was almost 11:00 PM, so I drove very slowly round and round the lake and through the lake park. I saw quite a few lady boys around, and a few actual girls, but the real ones didn't give 'the look', so I didn't stop. Being behind the wheel looking for streetwalkers made me feel like I was in the Bad Place again, so I got a bit depressed.

Finally I decided to find out if 'gummy bears' still existed - the old lady house downtown. I had looked for it several times over the years and never found it open again, though I wasn't sure if I remembered the exact location. This time I found it (or its newest incarnation) immediately by turning right at the post office soi as I went round and round the lake. This is the soi which leads to the mall.

Although there were a couple of old ladies (40s) there, the name 'gummy bears' no longer seemed to apply to this place as there were several girls of around 30 and not bad looking either. I picked the best looking and went upstairs for 500 baht prepay, but at the last minute they charged me 100 more for the room - I suspect this was just a rip off. In the room the girl actually licked my sweaty, salty nipples while groping my penis - I thought this licking was a good sign that she might be a game girl. It has been humid and hot lately in Isaan and I was not delectable. Alas she declined to give head with the excuse that she had just eaten spicy food.

I managed to talk her into BBFS, but then simply could not get it inside. She was as they usually are incredibly tight, and my dutiful member was not very enthused. How can one be expected to get hard in such a condition? Or perhaps I'm just getting old. In any case after a struggle of several minutes, which included her going back and forth on the condom issue, I gave up and left. But imagine this - when I went out I found I had no car keys in my pocket.

As I had left I noticed a fat woman and a scary looking tattoed Thai muscle boy going into the room I just vacated, so when I returned with the idea of searching for my key, I had to wait. Standing outside with 'my' girl I was treated to the amusing sounds of a Thai copulation inside the room - the girl certainly put on more of a vocal performance than mine!

Finally I searched the room, and no key, so I went back to the car. Various tuk-tuk men and hangers-on helped me to break into my car - very funny situation in the dark next to a brothel. I was wringing wet with sweat in the humidity while the Thais remained imperturbable even while working over the car door. Finally they succeeded, and without damaging anything much. I must say that only one of the three was drunk, and one of the two sobers even spoke English a bit. Two pleasant gentlemen out of three is a higher ratio of decency than one would find in a seedy brothel in the West, I suspect. I gave one of them 100 baht and asked him to have a beer on me.

So, I went on my way unrequited and 700 baht poorer, but it makes an amusing anecdote.

Traveling with Thai colleagues I recently visited (yet again) the Mai Tai soapy massage in Roi-Et, where there were actually several attractive 19-25 year old girls in the 1,500-1,700 baht range. It was interesting, however, that the girl I thought was by far the cutest was in the 1,500 baht level, and the ones my colleagues liked were in the 1,700 baht level - basically my girl was very slim and 19 but medium in skin tone, while theirs were shorter and plumper but WHITE. Interestingly one colleague took a girl who was from Surin, but very very white - I didn't think they made them that way there.

Anyway service was initially a bit titillating as the girl gave a good but brief BBBJ and lots of nipple-play, but the main course was not only covered but not a good fit. As usual when the girl complains of 'jep' 'jep' I couldn't keep interested, particularly with the condom on, and so the session ended up with a hand-job.

Later on my own I chatted with an older expat at a bar on the Lake in downtown Roi-et, and he stated that one could pick up 'college girls' along the canal in the next town, Maha Sarakham. I'd heard this before but not seen any very high quality there. I also drove by gummi-bears and it looked somewhat active with two or three girls visible as well as the same tuk-tuk dudes who helped me with my car before. Needless to say I did not stop.

The next day we moved on to that above mentioned next town, where my colleagues called some girls to their rooms, and I got to take a look. All three were very pretty 'girly-girls', and two of them very much fit the Thai ideal of white-white. My friends call them 'Chinese Dumplings' - kind of shapeless and doughy, but white. These were most definitely university girls, and I guess the asking price at 1,500 was reasonable for the quality, but I knew the chances of getting what I wanted was very low with those high maintenance types, so I declined and left them to it. I wondered if the girl felt bad about being the only one of the three rejected, but it actually seemed like she was relieved. They tend to fear the farang, of course.

After this I did find a few girls along the canal, sitting on their motorbikes, as well as a few girls in the small soi where they used to have the song supanee (little brothels), each set with a mamasan of sorts. No more than three girls in each place, but there was one acceptable one in each. However, these girls seemed all to clearly come from a much lower social strata than those my colleagues had taken, and they were most definitely not college girls.

The cute girl in the dark soi was a bit short and pushing 25, so I thought I'd look further, and happily the cute one on the canal was one I'd had a year before, and around 19 or 20. Off we went to a short time hotel and the service was adequate for Isaan - cursory BBBJ and reasonably well tolerated BBFS with cream-pie, plus the girl was even cuter with her clothes off. I did notice an untoward odor from her nethers however. Total cost 800 for the girl (600+200 for the bb), and 160 for the short time hotel.

Next we're going on to Khon Kaen, where the colleagues say they have a friend who has some phone numbers, as well as some ideas about 'high end' kareokes (like 2,000 baht range). Not really my natural style, but when in Rome.

Please don't ridicule my maps - I just made them on Paint; my first exercise on that software. I hope they help.

My friends and I pressed on to the large and vibrant city of Khon Kaen, where we first looked in on Kosa and Ceasar massage parlours. The selection as always was better at Ceasar than Kosa. We did not take however as we wanted to explore the town more fully.

We then splurged by visiting a place called 'Narakhun Resort', which they had heard was rather naughty. This place is very secluded, in a new area of town near the Northeastern Technology University. This is a 'private' university which my friends said might mean lots of students who would be willing to go on the game.

The resort in question was really over the top - very luxurious, dining and drinking overlooking a band area and a swimming pool with fountains. It looked like the Playboy Mansion! Lots of really beautiful and very 'done up' girls in attendance as hostesses. The girls cost 170 baht per hour to sit with you, hugging and subtle groping allowed. The place presented a bikini show in the pool with four or five girls dancing 'sexily', but somehow in that Thai way not sexy at all. Have any of you ever been to these Thai places? About as stilted and awkward as one can imagine.

Our girls informed us that they were not allowed to leave with customers until 2 AM, and that whether they did so after that time was entirely up to the girls. Some would, some would not, and even among the go-ers, it depended on the guy, the price offered, etc. They said that with older, more repugnant gentlemen the price would be 4-5 thousand baht(!), but they offered themselves to my good looking 30ish colleagues for 2,000, and numbers were exchanged. They said that most of the girls feared to go with farang due to the size, communication, and sexual style fears. However one of them pressed upon me the phone number of her friend (who did not work there), who she said was 19 and attractive, and very open to farangs for 2,000 baht.

I think this Narakhun Resort would be good for the very well heeled farang visitor, and would perhaps be a foot in the door to the extensive network of high end girls (mostly students or student types) available by phone in Khon Kaen. Our bill with some snacks, and about one big beer and one girl/hour per man was 700 baht each!

The girls also informed us that if we wanted to fuck immediately at the high end, we should visit LG Kareoke in the Pullman Hotel, where they said the girls would go readily and before closing time for 2,500 baht. They also mentioned that sexy fully nude shows, with some lesbian action, were available in the private rooms for 500 baht (3 girls). We next visited LG Kareoke but at midnight it seemed every girl was already busy in the private rooms or had left with clients so we didn't stay.

Finally we ended up the night picking up streetwalkers around the bus station - the number of girls wasn't as much as I had seen on previous nights but all three of us managed to get a cute one. It was however much more difficult to find one white enough for my pickiest friend - we had to drive round several times. Then off to Playboy hotel by car, with the girls following on motorbikes - it seemed quite a motorcade as each girl brought her own bike. While we were quoted all sorts of prices around the station we ended up bargaining (easily) to the real price - 500 baht. I took a girl I'd had before who, for a 300 baht tip, provided decent BBFS.

In the attached map you can see where are all the places mentioned, and in addition the small brothel soi that runs off of or near the central 'traffic circle' (really more of a traffic triangle - the one with the temple in the middle). Lastly while there are streetwalkers at the edges of the bus station, many are found on the large street behind the bus station called (I think) 'Nasoonratchakan' Road.

My crude map of where the sexual activities are located in Khon Kaen.:

[QUOTE=Opebo]Please don't ridicule my maps - I just made them on Paint; my first exercise on that software. I hope they help.[/QUOTE]

The maps are excellent Opebo. Better than That Asshole's maps. Wonder what happend to him? He was the most prolific poster for more rural destinations. Good to see that there are someone who still does field research.

Opebo, your maps are much appreciated, many thanks. I'm not too fond of relying on tuk tuks for finding action, so these are heaven sent. Love the style: main roads, hotels and sex -- exactly what we need.

Just one thing -- in the future, could you please make the text few times bigger -- so that the old geezers among us can read the labels without squinting?

Dateline - Khon Kaen:

I returned to try out the Cleo Kareoke in the Pullman Hotel - wow, what a high-end brothel! I'd been directed there by a girl at Narakhun Resort, and given a name to look for - I found the recommended girl and took her to a kareoke room for Cokes. She sang desultorily, and eventually we got round to the discussion of going somewhere. She quoted 5,000 baht! Of course I immediately declined and asked for the check (which was 400 for two cokes and an hour of time), but she eventually came down to 2,000. I honestly believe this is the 'real price' - i.e. the lowest they'll go.

Off we went, her on motorbike with me following by car. First hotel, no rooms available, and then things got weird - she asked for the 2,000 up front! Well, I know that paying up front is the norm in Thai oriented establishments, and I was curious to see where this would lead, so I paid. Then after following her for a while towards some hotel she said she knew, she lost me, and I tried calling numerous times but she'd turned off her phone. I honestly think she lost me by accident, but she never turned up.

I went back to the venue and acted mildly upset - not angry of course, just as if they'd killed my mother. They were actually quite decent about it, immediately repaying the 600 baht bar fine, and saying they were considering paying me the 2,000 and trying to get it back from the girl later. In the end they offered another girl for free. I was reluctant but took a slim beauty.

Again, off to a hotel - no short time ones for these money-wasters: had get get a full 450 baht room. Next, terrible service occurred, as expected, but finally I was relieved via hand job. Service at the high end is so absurdly bad it almost makes you laugh.

I will say that for anyone who prefers extremely good looking girls and doesn't mind terrible service and high prices, the Cleo Kareoke is a good choice. The patrons seemed to be Japanese and rich Thais, so basically the girls are virgins, for all practical purposes (dimensionally speaking).

A final note - the girls in this place were as good looking as any prostitutes I have ever seen anywhere, but of course they were still not quite as good looking as the university girls teeming around town with their young Thai boyfriends.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo]...

The directions to find the brothel on Soi Sri Boon Ruang 2 with big breasted Lao ladies was very helpful and accurate. It took perhaps 20 minutes to walk there from Pong Vichitr. I arrived at around 8:30pm and found about 4 working girls out front as well as a baby and an old lady. Everyone seemed a bit young for my tastes (except for the old lady, ha ha). The only one there with truly large breasts looked like a teenager, so I stayed away from her. The others had small racks, though no smaller than normal. I selected a nice looking spinner, Nok, who quoted me 400 baht. Nok is 22 and from Vientiane. She kept trying to get me to pay first, but with a lot of patience and limited Thai I managed to communicate that I would pay after.

The room was a bit dingy with concrete walls and corrugated tin siding. Not exactly dirty, but definitely simple and rough. No shower. There were plenty of condoms under the pillow of the bed, but I brought my own. Nok’s performance was a mechanical. She wasn’t unfriendly, but distant. Not a GFE, but not icy either. Did pretty good BBJ for a bit, but refused to do more. No DFK. Then HJ and sex. She asked for a tip afterwards, and at first I wasn’t going to give her any. Then she asked for 40 baht, which seemed reasonable so I handed it over. Total = 440 baht.

I walked up to Meechai on my way back. On Meechai, between Soi Sri Boon Ruang 2 and Soi Sri Boon Ruang 1 was another brothel. This one had 2 ladies out front who called out to me. One of them had a black eye, which made me a little uncomfortable. What kind of cat house has a woman with a black eye trying to draw in customers? I didn't stop to talk and kept walking.[/QUOTE]


Hi, all!

Sorry, guys, I haven't posted anything for months here. I've been pretty busy with other matters (including a regular girlfriend!) and my mongering activities have been sporadic more or less since the beginning of this year.

Anyway, information about Nong Khai brothels is in need of an update as my latest report on this topic is not accurate anymore. One can still find several brothels on Soi Sri Boon Ruang 2 and on Meechai road as stated above, but my previous favorite one in this area does not have anymore mostly girls with big breasts.

I have to say that the quality has dropped down dramatically there, alas. Where I knew several very pretty Lao girls (and with whom Mother Nature has been very generous too) till the end of last year, now one can only find a few average looking (5 or 6/10 at most) providers and if some of them are not "flat-chested", their tits are certainly not as impressive as those of the majority of the previous workers that used to stay at this place.

The only good news is that more brothels open earlier in the day since the beginning of this year. I've been in this area several times in the early afternoon and was able to usually find 3 to 5 opened houses with a few girls (2 to 6 in most cases) available then.

Prices are still the same in this area: 300 baht on premises for one shot during a 30-45 min. session (approximately, but once you're known at one place, you can even stay longer without any hassle) and 500 baht for a longer one (60-90 min. approximately). Most of the girls are 18-22 years old, but older women are available too (some look like they are in their late 30s, old enough to be grannies in this country and they probably are!). Service quality varies a lot, of course depending on the provider, but BBJ is not a rarity (but swallowers are) and 3-holers can be found too (or some 2-holers can be converted with an incentive). But overall, for the same amount of money, quality is higher in Udon Thani (on Soi Fai Deng for instance) in my humble opinion, at least regarding the beauty and variety of the girls.

By the way, in brothels, you usually pay upfront, Bartchamdo.

[QUOTE=Goyave]...overall, for the same amount of money, quality is higher in Udon Thani (on Soi Fai Deng for instance) in my humble opinion, at least regarding the beauty and variety of the girls.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the excellent report as usual Goyave. Have you been to Udon Thani lately to check on the brothels? Last I visited they were virtually closed down due to a 'hidden camera' expose on the Thai news, alleging '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]' and causing a police crackdown. This was a few months ago though - I haven't checked back as I hate to waste the money to travel there until I know they are at least partially re-opened.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Have you been to Udon Thani lately to check on the brothels? ...[/QUOTE]

Well, I visited Soi Sow Fai Deng just a few days ago and it was business as usual. I haven't checked Soi 2 on Adunyadet recently, but last month, I noticed that my two favorite places there were closed (it was in the mid-afternoon then), but several others were still operating. Not a great choice of girls at that time of the day, but it's still the same price (400 baht for Farangs, 300 for Thais) on premises in most of the establishments in this area.

The other venue on Prajak Road (which I mentioned in a previous report) is still operating too, but opens later at night. It used to open around 7 pm, but now, it's probably after 9 pm. The choice of girls is very limited there now (I saw only 3 working girls at 10 pm on my latest visit) but the price has not changed either there (300 baht for Farangs, 250 for Thais).

Any better directions to Soi Sow Fai Deng, I walked around the TOT area and couldn't easlily pick out the street or any brothel close-by.

Have been to Soi 2 and Soi 7, definitely worth a visit for anyone visiting Udon Thani.

Oscars is a good Soap Massage place, 1300 baht for the fishbowl and 1800 for sidelines (they sit to the left of the fishbowl). Average lookers, but service is top notch!!!

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Any better directions to Soi Sow Fai Deng, I walked around the TOT area and couldn't easlily pick out the street or any brothel close-by.
...[/QUOTE]

Soi Sow Fai Deng is not near TOT, but opposite CAT International Phone Office, on Wattana Nuwong Road (not far away from the crossroad with Udon Dutsadi Road).

Goyave, Thanks.

Just looked at a map, CAT office is on the left side of the road (Wattana, heading away from Central Mall). Is Soi Sow Fai Deng on the rightside, same side of the road as the TOT office??

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Goyave, Thanks.

Just looked at a map, CAT office is on the left side of the road (Wattana, heading away from Central Mall). Is Soi Sow Fai Deng on the rightside, same side of the road as the TOT office??[/QUOTE]

I just made the attached map for you. Hope this helps...

I made a flying visit to Korat city recently, unfortunately encumbered with a sugar mama. I did manage to sneak away for one visit to the soapy atop the hotel near the new Bus Station - I think it is called 'Pikasaw' or something like that, and I'm pretty sure it used to be called 'Pegasus.

The girls there at 8:00 PM numbered around 25, and most were good looking, though few real standouts. I took a tallish slimmish one and received adequate service, including a BBBJ. Her price was 1,700, but there were others in the group that were 1,400 - however the dividing line was not clear.

I also checked out the main location of Ginza, where I found fewer girls and lower quality, but in fairness it was at about five PM. They had about six fishbowl girls at 1,200 and about three better looking girls in a sort of sideline area for 1,800. Nothing really appealed to me, and I left. However the old papasan informed me that Ginza had 8 locations around Korat, and that most were cheaper and smaller than this main location.

Alas due to my 'freebie' trip I could not escape at the right times to check out the Park or any other freelancer area. Last time I visited there was several years ago, and the quality was astoundingly bad, so I'd like to see if it has improved any. Unlikely I know, but hope springs eternal.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I made a flying visit to Korat city recently, unfortunately encumbered with a sugar mama... Alas due to my 'freebie' trip I could not escape... [/QUOTE]
Congratulations on finding a sugar mamma to help pay the bills, Opebo.

How does that work -- do you have to fuck her so many times during the trip, or what? :D

[QUOTE=Opebo]I made a flying visit to Korat city recently,
Alas due to my 'freebie' trip I could not escape at the right times to check out the Park or any other freelancer area. [/QUOTE]

Are there "other" freelancer areas in Korat? Please advise

[QUOTE=Bumholes1]Are there "other" freelancer areas in Korat? Please advise[/QUOTE]

I read on here that there are freelancers around the Choa Phraya Hotel. I've never seen it so I don't know, but I wanted to check it out.. next time I guess.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I made a flying visit to Korat city recently,[/QUOTE]

Just an aside -- the nicest 2 girls I had in Soi 6 last weekend were from Korat :-)

I made another visit to Khon Kaen recently, where I fared poorly at the hands of the local Thais. First I visited Ceasar Massage where everyone was very nice and honest, but I spent 1,700 baht on a 'Playboy' level girl, who unfortunately couldn't really do anything - no bbbj, and nothing else bb. I tried to utilize the dreaded condom, but it was absolutely impossible. Even the handjob seemed very lackluster.

Next I went round to the Cleo kareoke at the Pullman Hotel, which was bustling with high-end custom as usual. Alas no girl paid any attention to me, until mamasan inquired, and I mentioned a girls name out of my faulty memory. As it turned out it was the girl who'd ripped me off for 2,000 baht a few weeks before (reported below, subsequently made right by management). She just came up and apologized, so it seemed that she had just erred, and all was well again between her and the management. She slipped away quickly, hunting the much bigger game roaming the place. After a while I left, the ennui building to an insalubrious level.

Finally I kerb-crawled round the ('non-aircon') bus station, where there were less girls than usual due to the interminable 'sprinkles' we've been having. Alas my favorite was not there and so I didn't take, but circled quite a lot till I saw one streetwalker in an area a bit further away from the station and all on her own. I stopped and she agreed to bb and 'smoke' for 500. Off to the short time hotel where she totally failed to perform in any way, except at the game of asking for more money (namely 100 more). As an interesting aside, let me inform you gentlemen that she appeared to be pregnant and had enormous, highly swollen breasts. Condomless sex was acheived though only briefly as she cried out 'jep jep' constantly, as is normally the Thai girl's way, and struggled to grab the base of my penis to prevent anything more than a few inches intrusion upon her delicate nethers. No release of any sort was achieved.

After I rid myself of this typical horror, I toured round the bus station one more time. I stopped to peruse one group and a young pimp lad stuck his head in the partially opened passenger window, while his ware stuck hers in next to me. He proceeded to tout her, but I was unaware that my mobile phone lay in the passenger seat - yes, brothers, I was the victim, through my own foolishness, of a phone-napping. As I drove off I realized the loss, and so I stopped and called out to the girls (the boy had disappeared) that I would pay 1,000 baht to get it back. After all the phone was old and worthless - I just wanted the numbers. No dice - I guess the delinquent is a wary type, preferring the bird in the hand over any in the bush.

So, beware, mongers. As always you have only a tiny percentage chance of finding anything worth having, and along the way you will be constantly under the attack of thieves and con-artists.

Stopped by Ceasar's massage in KK recently where the tout pushed me to try one particular girl. She came and sat with me but I had a funny feeling she wasn't quite right. I think she may have been a ladyboy! Usually it is very easy for me to tell, and obviously in a Thai joint like that they wouldn't normally employ them, but something said katoey to me - as much the scent or pheromones as the look. Anyway I left feeling a little miffed that they'd pushed this one on me.

I looked in at Violin Kareoke and Cleo's, as a friend had described them as equivalents. Violin, located within walking distance of the Pullman/Kosa area, also offers quite high-end Thai-taste (pale) girls in fancy frocks for 2,000. I forgot to ask the barfine, but I guess its probably similar to the Cleo's 600. I thought the quality seemed just a trifle higher at Cleo's, but both were very good. Violin was less crowded the night I was there. Girls seemed a little reserved but I was assured by the one I talked to that most had no problem going with a foreigner.

Finally I had a nice time with a girl from the station stroll.

Opebo, have you ever had any luck at the KK bus station during the day time?

I tried last week with out any luck.

[QUOTE=Jutju]Opebo, have you ever had any luck at the KK bus station during the day time?

I tried last week with out any luck.[/QUOTE]

No, there is never anything there before eight or nine PM at the earliest, and usually it is best to go after ten.

One afternoon I tried Lilly's soapy massage in the Charoensi Princess Hotel in downtown Khon Kaen. Its just round the corner from Kosa or Pullman. This soapy is strange in that it has a fishbowl filled with girls who are ostensibly here for just Thai or oil massage (priced at 300 and 500 for two hours respectively). There must be15- 20 girls in this fishbowl at times, dressed in somewhat professional looking white jackets. And the just to the left are 3-7 girls for the explicitly sexual massage, dressed sexily and priced at 1,200 nowadays. On both sides attractiveness was at best just tolerable, with nearly all in their 30s.

A friend and I tried two of the more tolerable looking women from the massage section, each booking the 500 baht oil massage. I was taken to the exact same type of room that is used for the soapy session - tub and all. Immediately she suggested a soapy-session, tub+massage+sex. But, she offered this at the price of 1,500 baht! I said no, just massage, but she kept bargaining and touching, trying to get me interested. I told her it made no sense as the regular sex girls were only 1,200. She said 'but I give you massage, that's 500'. I said well ok I'll give you the 500 plus 500 tip for just the tub and sex, and forget the crappy massage.

Finally she agreed to this, and turned out to be very skillful and titillating, even appearing quite horny. When the time came for the sex bareback was available but funnily enough she demanded 500 extra, bringing the cost, in the end, right to where she had wanted it. So, 1,500 would roughly be the cost for any decent looking girl at the better soapies, but here I had only an OK looking 30 year old. On the other hand, I got apparently impassioned bareback sex (she may have orgasmed twice whilst riding me rather brutally cowgirl). Creampie was received without complaint.

I disliked the bargaining and the high cost, but the service was admittedly very good - as it often is with the less attractive and older. My friend had a nice time with handjob for 500 tip, without any bargaining.

The federal police are in town and they close them all down..

They will all re open soon, but you can still get some fun and lady's at Sunset Strip.

They are open all day.

If you go, see Peter at Beer Belly Billy's.

It is own by westen man.

Next door is Australian bar, own by Australian man, and there are lady's you can take out.

I see Ann.

She was 18y, but so so shi, but still fun.

There is about 12 bar's in Udon day & night.

Not many people there.

The asking price is 300 barfine then 1'000 s/t 2'000 L/t.

The one I did see from the aus bar was 500 s/t 1'000 L/t

Off the street should be way cheper I think.

If you are going to nong khai or udon thani.

And you like to rent out moto bike or car. I would get international driving permit befor.

As the police are all over the place now doing Licence chek.

And plese rember what RCA Night say police are not owe friend's.

He is so right I do know first hand I will tell more about that soon in BKK report.

A sketchy report of my recent ramblings in Isan cities Khon Kaen, Udon, Ubon, Nong Khai, Mukdahan, Sisaket, Roiet, Nakon Phanom.

Khon Kaen:

Many establishments allegedly closed: Zolid, 172, HiTech; latter now has Violin Karaoke and Full Moon music club. The former had oldish girls, the latter was nearly void of customers when I visited (I believe they opened recently).

I enjoyed the RAD club (turn left walking from the street that has Eric's bar and Pullman hotel, and continue walking a few hundred meters; at night you can't miss it with it's brightly lit red 'RAD' sign) with (some nice) coyotees dancing; one girl told me she could meet me after closing time (2am); a waiter in the club told me he could arrange a girl earlier, from outside, but in order to do so I had to barfine him so I could go with him and he could show me where. I politely declined.

Checked out Harem (in Khon Kaen hotel) late at night, and it was standing room only; the place was heaving, but not a lot of cuties to be seen.

One night met a girl in a beerbar near Eric's bar (on the side-soi next to Pullman) and after we got tired of shooting pool and as it was raining and as she had a nice and shiny pickup, she wanted to take me to a Thai country club, DuengTaweng or something like that; a wooden shack, quite large, again standing room only, Thai band playing, and the place filled with young people having fun, eating, sipping their whiskey-mixers, dancing (on the tables even). Many were quite approachable to exchange a few words of Angrit with the big farang that just walked in. A fun place.

Had a good massage and FS by a lovely girl in Kosa massage; 2000 bht. Papa can deliver in the room, but only the massage girls, not girls from outside.

Checked out Ceasars massage, which seems to have moved (formerly in or near the Pullman, now a samlor-ride away, in a small street, but I lost directions); a deprecit place with friendly pappas, and one cute girl, whose performance was otherwise perfunctory (1200 bht).

Udon:

Merely spend my time in the Day & Night beerbar-complex; lovely, friendly girls to be found there, the brasher ones often had worked before in BKK or PTTYA.

Checked out Wolverine gogo bar which was dark and dull and not a cutie to be seen. Mr. Tong, a nice bright place, on the corner of the main road perpendicular to the road that has Day and Night and a small circle road having more small beerbars. While it may have had some FLs (or just normal customers for that matter), most of the girls visiting where from the beerbars.

I had no chance to visit the massage parlors here (all in/near hotels near the lake), but was told that Valentine, near the Udon hotel, is best.

Made an afternoon visit to soi 7; was showed a few young cute girls, picked one and off to a bungalow; a hot (in terms of temperature, only fan in there) and sweaty, but perfunctory session followed; rather more of a curiosity-fuck.

Nong Khai:

I didn't check the ladyhouses recently mentioned, but asked a tuktuk for ladyhouses; off we went across the mainroad passing through NK, near Dom Don resort: a few ladyhouses there, with cute and young girls, 700 bht asking price. Another ladyhouse closer to the old railway station, with older girls, 500 bht asking price.

Thai-Lao hotel has bar Nana and karaoke (if that name isn't indicative of things happening there. I didn't go there this time, but 6 years ago met some locals in the small dancing there, one of which offered me to go with his GF; although he was an amicable lad, he was also quite big for a Thai guy, so I politely declined; otherwise a mix of locals and farangs there, but some goofy goings on in the deprecit hallways; got involuntarily groped in the balls on the toilet).

One day, sitting on my riverside balcony at dusk, enjoying a cold one, I was called upon by a SW, who was standing under my balcony, in full public. As she looked plumb and I was a bit stunned at this public proposal, I declined.

Nakon Phanom:

Stayed in the View Khong hotel, with fantastic views over the Mekong and Laos, and inhouse delivery by the bellboys; the two bellboys each had their supply; the younger one was kind of a playboy and he delivered me a very cute, young girl, 1500 bht, but disappointing performance; the other bellboy brought the customer to some ladyhouses, which had oldish (and cheaper) ladies; thanks, but no thanks.

Went to the Duck Pub, a disco with the typical Thai dance and music show (nice), with some lovely dancers, who would sit with you for 30 minutes for the princely sum of 100 baht. There where also some coyote dansers strutting their stuff.

Closer to the river I visited the William's Bar or Maya Love, a kind of hostess bar with some very cute and young girls. I frolicked on one of the couches a bit with a very cute Luk khrueng girl; when I thought we both were good to go someplace more intimate I informed if she was interested to join me, but instead she wanted to go to the Duck Pub, and didn't go with customers; Maya told me it is up to the girls; some may, some may not, and if they do, only after closing time.

Mukdahan:

Ladyhouses conveniently located in half a circle around/under Mukdahan tower; friendly girls, some young and pretty. I went with one fair-skinned Lao girl, who soon began to ask for extra charges for using the airco etc. I quickly dressed and went to another house. Found another sweet girl, but performance so-so; 1500 bht.

Ubon:

I couldn't get the hang of this place; stayed in Nevada, which was far from everything (especially at night when the songtheaws no longer ran); and when I eventually found a tuktuk, had difficulties to make it clear to him I want to shag some lovely Ubon cutie; but found 'Nico' massage eventually this way, a place which seems to have stayed exactly the same since the Americans had their army base here, and enjoyed their R&R in Ubon; 1700 bht FS, which was a bit much considering the mediocre service.

The Rock Club disco in the Nevada was nice enough, with the typical energetic Thai dance and music show, where performers would do one song and then switch for another.

It seems I missed one street of bars nearby completely; it was mentioned in my guide even, but I failed to find it, and when asking for it on the street, no-one knew of it; later I read on the intarwebs that indeed there is such a street. Anyone?

Sisaket:

Friendly small place. Stayed at the Kessari hotel, where I was offered inhouse delivery by bellboy, 1500 bht. But word got out to the frontdesk and it all became a bit awkward, so I didn't pull. The I-bar disco in the Prompiman hotel hurt my ears, so I went to the Nona disco instead, which had the typical Thai music and dance shows, and a lot of young people having fun. A mama in there was obviously pushing and selling some beautiful girls, but no Angrit spoken.

Roiet:

Stayed at the Mai Thai hotel, a one stop shop convenience for the mongerer: massage, karaoke, coyote-club all in this hotel. Walked into the massage lounge one afternoon, which had some young girls sitting on a bench. Soon had made my choice, but the chosen one gasped terrified. The papa said she was scared of farangs, and their big dicks in particular. Hilarity ensued. Luckily papa found a cutie who had no such fears, and what a pick it was! An adorable lovely girl, young, slim, handful-tits, with such a lovely polite demeanor, not a word of English, but every sentence/question concluded by 'na ka'? Which sounded like 'meow' in my ears. And she knew her stuff: her performance was very good and just nice. Massage and naughty stuff well done and over, we cuddled and she murmled, nay purrred, sweet noises. A gem in the rough.

The coyote club had some pretty coyotes dancing, and otherwise many young people having fun. The coyotes sat with you for a drink but didn't go with customers, but one cutie student girl from KK gave me her number, should I be in KK the next few days; alas, I had been there already. On another night again I sat with some locals practicing their Angrit, and a pretty, but drunk, girl was shoved in my arms. She was very affectionate, no doubt caused by her intake. She wanted to meet me in BKK, she would go there soon. Suddenly however, there was a scream, and she was brutally pulled away by someone said to be her BF. Ouch.

Perpendicular to the road leading away from the canal is a road/area with many Thai entertainment establishments; Pavilion 101 is a very nice music-club. ONO disco was said to be closed.

Closing remarks:

You'd have to like 'the hunt' if mongering in Isan; it has been said before by others, and I often found the hunt fun, if frustrating at times, often not resulting in a 'kill' or the ensuing initimacies where so-so, mostly because of language-difficulties or anxiety towards farangs. It definitely helps to speak more then basic Thai (or even better Lao/Isan), which I do not.

Since the mongering in Isan merely caters to locals, most of the girls for hire are quite pretty, slim, young and relatively fair-skinned; Udon was a noticable exception, as it seemed more geared towards farangs, and the girls, while friendly and not as jaded as BKK or PTTYA girls, are not as pretty as elsewhere in Isan.

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[QUOTE=Leveller]...
Since the mongering in Isan merely caters to locals, most of the girls for hire are quite pretty, slim, young and relatively fair-skinned; Udon was a noticable exception, as it seemed more geared towards farangs, and the girls, while friendly and not as jaded as BKK or PTTYA girls, are not as pretty as elsewhere in Isan.
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Great report, Leveller, but I have to disagree on your last point. It seems that you haven't visited the brothels in Soi Sow Fai Deng during your stay in Udon Thani and many Laotian cuties are available there. Usually they are not great performers but way more beautiful (and younger with fairer skin... and cheaper!) than the bar girls from the Day & Night Beer Bar Complex.

[quote=hotshanehot]the federal police are in town and they close them all down..

they will all re open soon, but you can still get some fun and lady's at sunset strip.
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i'm just back from nong khai after a visa trip in laos (i will report on my short stay in vientiane later in the appropriate section of the laos forum).

i arrived in soi sri boon ruang 2 at 4pm approximately and almost all of the brothels in this soi were closed then. i was a bit surprised and disappointed as i've just seen at least one opened brothel on meechai road before entering sri boon ruang 2. this brothel on meechai road does not offer a great choice of girls (usually a couple of rather old - for this part of the country - and not very attractive women).

in two other brothels (that were closed today) on sri boon ruang 2, i know a few younger and decent looking 3-holers and i wanted to fuck one of those this afternoon, alas, it was not possible. but a local guy saw me and spoke with me a bit. "you want lady?" he said. i replied in thai, saying that i know several girls in this area but alas, they are not available at the moment apparently. he then called a girl (he actually screamed her name several times really loud!) who went down from a small building nearby (which once had a karaoke joint on the ground floor).

far from being a stunner, but the girl has a great smile, an ok face and her body looks good enough. i make the deal with my new noisy friend (the pimp) at 300 baht for one shot on premises with peng (the smiling girl). great find! she’s very passionate (giving lots of deep french kisses) and for once, i haven’t requested a blow job as she started to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] me after just a couple of minutes of caresses and kisses and i already had a major hard-on. soon, i was guessing that anal could be on the menu, and a few minutes later, i was proven right!

at the end of our session, i gave her a 200-baht tip and she was quite happy with that. i spoke a bit with her too and was very surprised when she told me that she’s 30-year old. i would have thought that she was at least 5 years younger. i don’t know if she has given birth yet (probably at this age), but it doesn’t show on her body.

i haven’t checked the other brothels and pick up joints in nong khai today but several places are probably still operating now (but for some of them, usually much later in the evening).

Impressive Goyave - I visit the similar places and get terrible service and often not even a BJ and you manage anal. I've never gotten anal with a sex-worker that wasn't already very experienced with farang, very old, or both. And the girls almost always seem unhappy to be stuck with a farang.

But as others have said, the girls available in Isaan are generally younger, better looking, and whiter than those in Pattaya. However service is usually much worse. Price can range from a bit less to a lot more than back in the Center.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Impressive Goyave - I visit the similar places and get terrible service and often not even a BJ and you manage anal. I've never gotten anal with a sex-worker that wasn't already very experienced with farang, very old, or both. And the girls almost always seem unhappy to be stuck with a farang...[/QUOTE]

I am not always as successful alas, Opebo, especially when I've just met a new girl in I-San. But as I'm lucky enough to live in this area, I am usually able to convince even young and inexperienced chicks after a few regular visits with some incentives, patience and a lot of lube!

One of my local "students" can be seen in the photo gallery: [post]820577[/post]. This Laotian cutie did not know much apart from the missionary position on our first encounter. A few visits later, she knew a lot more including how to perform a very decent blow job and she can take it up her tight ass like a pro!

But she's not the only one. I've previously posted pictures of other young and cute 3-holers available in various places in Thailand. I'm currently training a new one, but didn't manage yet to sodomize her "fully" (I've just been allowed to introduce only a third of my dick in her anus for a few minutes so far).

I don't force them and usually stop when they say “djep” (it hurts)... at least, on my first attempts. Then, they allow me to penetrate them more and more via their "back door" on further visits.

I have some very good surprises sometimes even on my first encounters with "anal virgins". I even met on a few occasions girls who apparently enjoy taking it up their ass more than vaginal sex (even on their first attempt!). Quite amazing when that happens!

Strangely enough, I have not been very successful in Pattaya on my last visit (end of April this year) and did not find many young 3-holers among the freelancers on Beach Road or Walking Street (my favorite hunting places in this area). I visit Pattaya regularly since 1999 and I was quite disappointed this year (I've been way more successful in the past, finding something like 1 out of 3 allowing anal then among the prettiest freelancers).

But it's getting easier every year (in my humble opinion) with the girls available in I-San. Maybe it's just me and maybe am I getting more experienced in how to get what I want from the local girls in my area... and in the same time, maybe am I losing it with the girls working in Pattaya (which is rather strange considering that most of them come from I-San)? Anyway, as I spend more time up country than elsewhere, this evolution does not bother me at all!

Amazing.. I find the service has been getting much worse in Isaan over the years, especially in Udon Thani. Its like the pimps there used to train or educate the girls, but now seem to do nothing. Its like pulling teeth to even get the least bit of BJ, and BB sex is much rarer.

On the Beach in Pattaya I find maybe 10% of the older uglier ones can do anal well, and I've only ever found about 1 or 2 young cute ones who could do it in nearly a decade. You're a luckier man than I.

The other day I took a look at Kosa Soapy in Khon Kaen - the selection wasn't bad and I took an attractive tall 24 year old for 2,000. Tall and fairly slim, though not as slim as I normally prefer. She gave great service for such places, including a very sensual and enthusiastic bath, a very decent seemingly passionate BJ, and finished off with a vigorous but deft handjob. Demured full service as we couldn't really get it to fit.

The next day I gave Ceasar a try, where I had almost a mirror image experience, but for 1,500 with a shorter but cute and very pale 22 year old from Chiang Rai. Again ended by hand. I know its very lame to be just getting wanked off but at least no need to tip. By the way as usual the lineup at Ceasar was impressive - lots of attractive girls in their early 20s from 1500-1700, and some OK ones in the 'Bird Bird' class of 1,200.

Later that night a friend and I visited the streetwalkers around the bus station but I didn't see any girls I'd had luck with before, and felt wary of those that were there (there are quite a few criminal types around there - see my story of the snatched mobile phone). So we didn't take. There were however a few girls around, just not nearly as many as I'd seen in the past.

After that feeling restless we 'went for a drive' without a clear idea of destination. We thought about driving up to Udon Thani, but we needed to be in Roi-Et in a day or two, so thought in the meantime we might look at rural kareokes and those 24 hour short time hotels one sees out in the middle of nowhere. We stopped at a couple of kareokes in a small town along the highway from KK to Kalasin, called Chiang Yuen. This was a place of medium size, having one seven eleven and perhaps half a dozen nightspots which looked naughty. The two we stopped at were friendly enough, and all seemed to have available girls (even rather attractive), but we couldn't get a straight answer on price. I asked if they had a room on site and they said no but we could go down the road to the short time hotel. However they wanted us to come inside and drink first. These didn't seem like rip-off joints - I think they just didn't want to make the deal so quickly - but we just pressed on as sitting in a kareoke is a torture.

Next we moved on to Maha Sarakham, arriving about one AM. What a pleasant drive it was too, with a nearly full moon riding along to our side. Very pleasantly cool late at night here in Isaan. Along the way we pulled into two of those 24 hour motels but at one the man said he had no girls to offer, and at the other no one would even come out to us. I've heard some of those places have girls, but have never had any luck. Anyway in that big town (Sarakham) we found no girls at the soi near the mall (which I have described in previous reports). Inquries at the motorbike taxi stand led nowhere - the man claimed he knew nothing.

After taking a couple of rooms at the Vasu Hotel I went out again alone and found some girls at the remaining old lady house in the downtown - one woman was a quite attractive 30-35 year old, another was ugly and under 30, and one was a horrible fat old monstrosity. I took the attractive one to her room for 500 baht but she quailed at the sheer magnitude of my manhood, and insisted on just a handjob. After doing this in a spirited, capable, and friendly manner for quite a while, nibbling one nipple and diddling the other with her free hand, she started talking to the woman outside, telling her she was giving a handjob.

I couldn't finish this way, so I asked if the horrible old fat woman could fuck with a big cock. This was affirmed, and upstairs I went to my doom (one must always enjoin with these ladies in their own rooms, not their 'sister's'). The manner of this fatty was again very friendly and good humored, but her appearance was shocking bad. One of the worst I've ever had and you gentlemen know my past habits. So thats pretty bad. By the way while laying in her bed naked waiting I had a small panic attack, remembering the last time I'd visited such a place (gummy bears in Roi-Et), I'd locked my keys in my car. I leapt up and checked my pants - keys still there. After that she entered and doused me liberally with white powder from tits to testicals, making me sneeze. I felt like a baby with this enormous fatty (and gentlemen I'm not into feeling like a baby).

Bareback was had for 300 baht, but after a bit it became clear that her huge stomach was too much in my way, her cries of discomfort too distracting and some strange odors too unsettling, so I again desisted. As I left she made me have a nice genital-shower with ice cold water in the bathroom bucket (getting cold in Isaan already), and as I walked out the bottom floor the other two ladies flirted oddly, and seemed to express their concern about whether I'd finished or not. Anyway it was a treat to see the shabby old hotel/rooming house once again, and worth a few hundred baht for the story.

Doing a final turn after this depressing visit, I asked at the motorbike stand again and there were different men there. These offered to access girls, and soon they were back with the young mamasan. I actually knew her from previous visits, and she offered some girls I had before, but would have to roust them from their beds (it was by now three AM). So I didn't want to wait - too sleepy.

Home I went unrequited, but what a day.
Budget:
Two days hotels - 1,000 baht
girls - 4,300
foodstuffs - 700 baht
gases - 500
misc - 300
total 6,800 bahts

What's become of me gentlemen - I spend thrice what I did in better does and essentially get nothing.

Udonthani

Visited "songs" close to Karin Hotel. Price is still 300b, plenty of brown spinners but service really sucked. No BBJ and had to insist on doggy. I even asked for refund on one sullen lady. Much better freebie options in Udon.

Khon Kaen

Got price down to 500b but should have taken better quality (600b) at first song on right as you enter the soi. Location, location! Brothal had much better selection than next door and male pimp spoke pretty good english. Sometimes, a little more adventure does not pay off. Oh well.

I always had terrible service at those small brothels in Khon Kaen, Cheapy. No BBBJ ever, and complaining intercourse. Some pretty girls though. How was your experience there service wise?

I have to ask if you guys are actually using the service of the mamasan. I ask the mamasan who can smoke. She will show me the couple who can. I pick the cutest one. I then say to the mamasan if she boom real good she get a good tip. (200 baht). Mamasan talks to the girl. If you know you will go back give mama a 100 baht every now and then.

I am just a little surprised at what guys are saying here about not being able to find places, the girls are ugly old hags, shit service. Makes me feel as if we are in different countries.

Sure in isn't Soi 6 but for 500-700 baht some of the cute golden teenies are there and doing the best they can. Makes me wonder if you are expecting porn star service in a back water brothel in bum fuck nowhere!

Sawadee Opebo, Service ok. I took a (500b) low quality girl so I insisted on the full package.

She worked for her money that night and I got the impression she doesn't get that much action. We both ended up happy but still kicking myself for not ponying up for more quality.

I have a 22 yr. Old GF in Udon who works at Central Plaza Mall but I do "stray" when I get the chance.

Back in USA 3 days now and going thru withdrawal. Bitchy girlfriend, bills, horrible food, and boredom.

[QUOTE=Siam Aaron]Wow Opebo. This surprised me a lot. Tonight I rode around to a Soi next to a brothel that I know has sweet uni girls that normally hits me 700 all up including tip to find little house with 3 cuties in there. One was just 18 and bingo 350 baht plus 150 tip.500 all done.

I can't believe you think they are closed. Where do you think Thai guys are going. Every day 90% of the visitors across Thailand to brothels are Thai guys. They ain't going to swanky places and paying 1000 baht. For ten year sI have been enjoying this wee soi brothels and continue to do so. I love the atmosphere and have not paid more than a 700 at anytime.

In Pattaya only beach road will get you anything under a 1000 and most of them are pretty average looking. Give me my local brothel any day.[/QUOTE]

I'm happy you're happy, Aaron, but I must dispute the notion that there are 'uni girls' in brothels, particularly the low cost kind. I have a lot of experience with Thai universities, and I can say that while there are definitely a few co-eds who are discretely available as 'call girls', they always avoid anything where they could be exposed. These are middle class or aspiring middle class people, after all. The going price in Isaan college towns for real uni call girls is 1,500-2,000, and service is of course terrible (BJ not a given, terrible fear/disgust of farang, lots of complaints about sex - basically just a refrain of 'jep, jep' the whole time).

Regarding where I think the Thai guys are going - well the middle class ones go to the 1,200-2,200 baht 'ab nam nuit' (soapies), or to the higher end Kareokes, which are usually around 1,000-2,500. Most of my Thai friends routinely pay those high prices, and while they will drive up to Udon Thani for the illegal alien brothels because the quality is so good, they'll only go to the 'better houses' (there used to be a 600 baht house). They totally eschew the local 500 baht Thai-girl houses. However they don't care at all about service, only appearance.

For me service is the priority, and its always far better in Pattaya than in Isaan brothels. I usually pay about 500-800 in Pattaya, but I hardly ever get sex in Isaan for under 1,000 baht anymore (and when I do the woman is usually so awful that my dick wilts - see my recent report of a fat hog in Maha Sarakham).

[QUOTE=Siam Aaron]...Makes me wonder if you are expecting porn star service in a back water brothel in bum fuck nowhere![/QUOTE]

Well, I have to admit that I do try to get bareback, but I can do with out - BJ or handjob can work, sad though it is. But I guess we old guys just need more service to get it up and get off (I'm in my 40s). Also by the way, what area of Isaan are you in? I'm most experienced with Central Isaan up to Udon Thani. Just a few trips to southern Isaan and nortern Isaan.

[b]Roi-Et:[/b]

Just a quick addendum to the last report - we did as planned and moved on to Roi-Et the next day. My Thai friend wanted to ask the bellmen if there were any call-girls available there, but the bellman never came to our room and for some reason my friend was too shy to ask him in the lobby under the eyes of the desk girl. Funny how shy Thai men can be about asking for girls. We went round to Mai Tai Soapy where we noted the same as we'd observed before - this soapy has a few (2-3) really surprisingly cute girls, and many (5-6) unattractive ones, but nothing in between - no average ones.

My friend took a really angelic looking young cutie, who was pale and thus to his taste (even sporting blonde hair!), and I took the same slim very cute, rather natural looking 20 year old I'd had last time I came through this town. In fact I wondered if it could be the same girl Leveller had such a nice time with in his report a little while back. Leveller if you read this I think that girl's name was 'Ann'.

Service was so so, just as before - nice BBBJ, lots of playing around, partial catbath, fairly sensual, but she begged and begged not to be fucked (size issue). Since I get so little enjoyment (none) out of condom-sex, I acquiesced to more BBBJ and finally hand relief - performed very well and with some sense of feeling/eroticism. Afterward my friend reported he had a great time with his Chiang Rai dumpling (white and soft). Yes, a great many girls in the Isaan sex biz are from the North. We each paid 1,500, no tip - he doesn't tip much unless its in the rare case of going to a low priced place, and I don't tip unless I get BBFS - in which in some cases I'll tip outrageously. I think my record was a 1,500 baht tip!

After my friend went to bed I drove around just out of curiosity and sure enough 'Gummy Bears' in the downtown was still open. I didn't stop, but reflecting on my recent explorations in the Khon Kaen/Maha Sarakham/Roi-Et area, I got to thinking - why is there such diversity among 300-600 baht venues in nearby towns? Different types of venues, greatly different levels of police interference, and wildly divergent quality.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I'm happy you're happy, Aaron, but I must dispute the notion that there are 'uni girls' in brothels, particularly the low cost kind. I have a lot of experience with Thai universities, and I can say that while there are definitely a few co-eds who are discretely available as 'call girls', they always avoid anything where they could be exposed. These are middle class or aspiring middle class people, after all. The going price in Isaan college towns for real uni call girls is 1, 500-2, 000, and service is of course terrible (BJ not a given, terrible fear/disgust of farang, lots of complaints about sex. Basically just a refrain of 'jep, jep' the whole time).[/QUOTE]Fully agree with you opebo,

Yes opebo farang look for service first and thai men just care about physical appearance.

This is the main difference between thai men and farang men, but farang hardly understand it. If a thai man has 1000 baths to spend for a girl, he will go to soapie/mp (ever if will get 1 fuck)because he will be sure to find young, slim cute girls, ever if with the money he can bonk 5 times a cheap 200 baths girls but Isaan has girls from 100 baths to no limit, prices will depended about girls quality, place etc Freeler and skinless had post enough good reports about their cheap bonk In isaan being a regular customer with same girls allowed you better service without paid more, If members in need of exotism think they will get fresh, young and sex superstar in isaan they will be badly disapointed; girls in isaan are trained to serve Thai men; not the farang.

[QUOTE=Opebo]... My friend took a really angelic looking young cutie, who was pale and thus to his taste (even sporting blonde hair!), and I took the same slim very cute, rather natural looking 20 year old I'd had last time I came through this town. In fact I wondered if it could be the same girl Leveller had such a nice time with in his report a little while back. Leveller if you read this I think that girl's name was 'Ann'. ...[/QUOTE]It must have been the girl your friend picked, as she had blond (-ish) hair, fair skin and was angelic indeed. I did ask for her name, age and hometown but as per usual with my ST company, I forgot those ever since. Chiang Rai rings a bell though.

Korat - I've been warned by my Thai friends to pronounce it with the funny rolled R. Well my mongering Thai friend and I explored this town the other night, and found the selection on a weekend late evening at Pegasus Soapy to be very picked over. We then went to Ginza (the main location opposite the Klang Plaza shopping mall). The selection there was rapidly dwindling as closing time neared, and I twice just missed decent looking girls as the Thai dudes chose quickly. Finally I settled on one that seemed just barely acceptable, for 1,500.

In the room, alas, she turned out to be loud, raucous, and good-naturedly matey: an unfortunate type one runs across in Pattaya occasionally, but rarely in Isaan. As it turned out however she gave a really first rate (for Thailand) BBBJ, but intercourse was covered and brief, as after a few minutes at the summit of Mount Opebo she begged off, complaining the classic refrain of Thai womanhood - 'jep!' Finally a very long and amazingly skilled handjob led to the laying low of said Mount - she had a technique your reporter had never seen before, involving gripping the balls closely to the turgid shaft and pushing them very far up, while using the other hand to vigorously wank the glans with a milking motion. The really surprising part is this lady actually wanked my testicales along with my penis-head, which I feared would hurt but it didn't at all, nor was their any damage observable afterward. The orgasm attained was much above average for a mere HJ spurt.

I forgot to mention that my Thai friend could find nothing at either place good enough for his very meticulous taste, so after I finished he picked me up again and we went to the Chao Praiya hotel just down the street, where we found many girls in the street in front. By many I mean around 12 girls, of what I thought was reasonable quality, but it was pricey at 1,000 - they were cute enough to do, but it seems a bit rough to pay 1,000 for mediocrity in Isaan. Times are changing, prices skyrocketing. However nothing good enough for my friend, so we idly walked around the moat/park. There we found about a dozen more girls here and there, and though they were on the whole better than I remember that park streetwalker scene, they were so below the standard that my friend would accept that he refused even to speak to them. I did however and found that they mostly asked for 500, accept for a few older ones who agreed to my suggestion of 300. Many looked very 'druggie'.

We also asked one of the motorbike taxi-men in this area if Korat has 'song supanee' - small brothels - and he said it did, and that they charged 300, but when we asked him to lead us thither, he said it was too poor and he'd show us another place - turned out to be the Hotel Chao Priaya scene. Still nothing good enough there for my typically picky Thai friend, so we went back to the hotel.

So it seems Korat might have a further cheap option somewhere, but I have as yet to discover it. Oh and lastly I was breathalized while driving around this town - yet another importation of American-style Police State in Thailand. Take care gentlemen!

I drove to Khon Kaen yet again, and as usual found it exhausting to operate a motor-car in a large town. I think using automobiles is of debatable utility, don't you gentlemen?

I wanted to visit Ceasar but had already parked at the Kosa parking garage and dreaded entering traffic again, so I looked at Kosa Soapy. At five thirty PM it was full of girls, a few of which were pretty. They even had three sideliners - kind of a new thing at this Soapy - for 2,200. I tried the youngest looking one, who turned out to be 24, with large fake breasts and very pretty overall. Strangely enough this one very capable, enthusiastically taking a very long, deep, hard fuck without complaint, and even appearing to enjoy it. Claimed she was horny - I understood the Thai word when she said it but now I can't remember it. Good BBBJ, and some kissing with toungue too (been absolutely ages since I've done that).

Alas I could not come wearing the condom, even though it was lubricated with mineral oil and thus quite compliant. Didn't break though, and I had to try to finish via hand-job, but couldn't even finish that way. She seemed a bit befuddled - perhaps no one had ever failed to spurt with her given her looks - but I find if I can't get what I want I often cannot come. I thought I'd report on her though and the rather extensive lineup at Kosa because I think it would be very satisfying to the less demanding mongers.

So I left missing 2,200 baht (no tip), and retaining a copious semen-load. Got rid of that and another 1,000 baht later that night with a regular I contact by telephone, but not before taking a turn around the bus station by car and finding very few (only around 6) girls out. Maybe it is due to the cold weather - down to 16 degrees every night up here in Isaan. I'm not sure what that is in real terms - maybe 60. The girls look very cute in their little winter outfits, though they still show a lot of skin - anyone else find shivering girls sexy? Maybe it makes them appear vulnerable.

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Bus station scene radically reduced due to one of these horrible fairs being set up in that area, centered on exactly the street where the girls usually most hang out. Still a few girls at the quite end of the bus station itself but no more than half a dozen when I checked.

Hopefully it will come back, but man do I hate these special occasions and fairs.

heck this is an ugly part of the country and sadly not many great looking girls. there is really only one place to meet girls and that is the speed disco, many young ones looking to hook with a foreigner.

saying that like the rest of thailand easy to pick up a girl / smile a lot and they will discreetly go back to your room. there are not many jobs in the area and they are so thankful for the extra money.

but patts it ain't and the temples in the area not a lot.

[QUOTE=Opebo] Claimed she was horny - I understood the Thai word when she said it but now I can't remember it. [/QUOTE]

Was the word perhaps [i]see-ow[/i]?

[quote=lastman]heck this is an ugly part of the country and sadly not many great looking girls. there is really only one place to meet girls and that is the speed disco, many young ones looking to hook with a foreigner.

saying that like the rest of thailand easy to pick up a girl / smile a lot and they will discreetly go back to your room. there are not many jobs in the area and they are so thankful for the extra money.

but patts it ain't and the temples in the area not a lot.[/quote]

i always figured this part of the country was to be visited with a girl you found in bangkok. what brings you up there?

[QUOTE=Pita123]Was the word perhaps [i]see-ow[/i]?[/QUOTE]

Yeah that was it.

Having recently come into 10,000 baht and having been offered a lift to Khon Kaen I decided to splurge.

We looked in at Lilly Massage at the Princess hotel, were there were quite a lot of girls at two in the afternoon. Quality was as always relatively poor at this second rate joint. I didn't take.

There I found a fair lineup at Kosa soapy, though not as good as my previous visits. I took a 23 year old sideliner for 2,200, and though she had big fake breasts, not really all that attractive for the cost. Service was poor, with covered everything, complaints about size, and a mediocre handjob finish.

After this I took a break and rented a motorbike. As usual this was something of an eye-opener, making KK seem a much more appealing place. I've driven round it in a car but driving a car is always less fun than slipping round in a little bike, as one must worry about traffic and running over people. Rates seem to be 200 per day for a crappy Wave.

Thus very mobile I went to Ceasar soapy, a bit late at ten PM, so the selection seemed a bit picked over. I took a fun cute but somehow 'off' 23 year old girl for 1,500. By off I mean that though she was very cute, smiling, with a sexy body and a nice face, she had myriad small imperfections which overall made her not such a turn on. Good BBBJ, and somehow that and her various hand ministrations had me very hard and turned on. Strangely enough she really liked to have a rough deep hard bang - alas covered so of course I could not attain the release of my microscopic opebos after having done so once earlier in the day.

Finally I had a cruise round the bus station, where there was still a less than normal selection - perhaps a total of 15 girls in various little groups. I found one I'd had before and at the sex hotel while watching Japanese porn received a really good BBBJ of about 15 minutes duration. I did rise to the challenge, but not very eagerly. I then banged her bb for 45 minutes before finally being able to release. Gave her 800 baht.

Kind of odd when one girl gets you so turned on but can't make you come, and then another can't get you particularly enthused, but can make you come, due to the natural sex.

I finally ended the night by visiting The Harem Club in the Khon Kaen hotel at about one AM. What a fun place - good, seemingly very tongue in cheek band, lots of hot hosteses running around in slinky red dresses dancing for or grinding in the laps of Thai high rollers. Also a fair number of really fine 'coyote' dancers (I hate that term). I did notice that a few of the high rollers did slip into a secret looking back room kind of place, following their chosen hottie through a curtained door. One way or another I guess sex may be available there or any way through there, presumably at a very high price. The enthusiasm and seemingly self-conscious ridiculousness of this venue made me think of old Los Vegas.


Total expenditures for the busy day:

Girls - 4,500
Rooms - 550
Bike - 200
food/drink - 1,000
total -- 6,250 baht

I'm planning about three nights in UT on my way to Laos. Anyone have first hand experience with the Irish Clock as a place to stay. It's only mentioned briefly in this forum but has good reports on another. Looks like a nice location with 6 or 7 rooms to rent. PM me if you wish. Thanks

[quote=lastman]heck this is an ugly part of the country and sadly not many great looking girls. there is really only one place to meet girls and that is the speed disco, many young ones looking to hook with a foreigner.[/quote]this is only your opinion, i like buriram, it s a quiet and relaxing small town, with delicious and cheap isaan food, friendly people. and " speed disco" is not the only place to find girls. just read the archives if you don t trust me.

the only point i agree with you is: the few number of great looking girls in p4p system

but if you have been in buriram only for p4p and high hopes about quality girls and low prices i understand your desillusion.

I forgot to mention that I did stop in at the little old time soi of brothels in Khon Kaen where I was asked for 1,000 as usual but the girls quickly admitted that the real price was 500, just as before. There seemed quite a lot of girls there and a few were reasonably attractive. Nice to see it still open, but I didn't take as I've only ever had bad service there. I think it is [url=http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=&vps=2&jsv=194b&sll=16.432381,102.833169&sspn=0.009406,0.013797&ie=UTF8&geocode=FfW9-gAdvg0hBg&split=0]Soi Theparak 5 as per google maps[/url], but I'm not certain. At any rate its in that very close vicinity.

Also I'd like to remark that both the Sawatdee and the Roma are fine hotels to stay in the 230-500 baht range, though the hot water is very poor at the Roma. The only really excellent farang restaurant I found in the town was Didine Restaurant. Great place. Lastly there is a enormous new excrescence in this booming town - a 'Central World Mall'. Best avoided.

In reply to udon query

I usually stay here when in town.

Its the best place in my opinion.

Clean rooms, good western food, free internet and good staff.

It is a wee bit dear compared to Top Mansion on same soi or to ruk suk(up near soi 2 brothels).

I have never had a problem here in the 4 years I have been staying.

Guest friendly etc.

just came to udon after a year or so . I lost 800 bht trying to get bbfs. 2 times at soi jet lao house, one at soi song. last times I was here was always able to get 2 out of 3 gurls for bbfs. once in a while ask for extra bht. this time terrible. maybe ngo's trying to scare the girls. I thought they were not getting funding any more, as the authorities claim aids rate is going down.

Lee66 I had similar experiences on my last visits two Udon Thani around a year ago, so I haven't been back since. As far as I can tell those sois have become useless.

Have my reservations for late February now at Irish Clock. I like to mix things up a little, so have been checking out DIA for UT material. In addition to the mall and possibly the soi's, I'll sample the DIA material. Anyone had any experience with a DIA lady in UT? pm me please. thanks

Hi, I am going to Nong Khai and Udon with some friends of mine. None of us have even being there. I would like to find a motel where I don't have to walk though the lobby doing the walk of shame.

I don't care about how many stars the hotel/motel have but I need hot water, AC, TV and in room wifi because one of my friends need it for his work. Thanks for any help.

PS, we are going the first week in March.

[QUOTE=Csun213]Hi, I am going to Nong Khai and Udon with some friends of mine. None of us have even being there. I would like to find a motel where I don't have to walk though the lobby doing the walk of shame.

I don't care about how many stars the hotel/motel have but I need hot water, AC, TV and in room wifi because one of my friends need it for his work. Thanks for any help.

PS, we are going the first week in March.[/QUOTE]

The hotels that I know in these two towns are all girl friendly, but have a lobby. I also know a few "resorts" (as they called them here, but they are not very different than a motel) where you won't have to do "the walk of shame", but none of them has in room Wi-Fi.

You might find the following websites and webpages useful:

[url]http://www.udonmap.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=70[/url]
[url]http://www.nongkhaimap.com/nongkhaiforum/accommodation-f99.html[/url]
[url]http://www.northeast-hotel.com/en/list_udonthani.php[/url]
[url]http://www.northeast-hotel.com/en/list_nong_khai.php[/url]

[QUOTE=Goyave]The hotels that I know in these two towns are all girl friendly, but have a lobby. I also know a few "resorts" (as they called them here, but they are not very different than a motel) where you won't have to do "the walk of shame", but none of them has in room Wi-Fi.

You might find the following websites and webpages useful:

[url]http://www.udonmap.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=70[/url]
[url]http://www.nongkhaimap.com/nongkhaiforum/accommodation-f99.html[/url]
[url]http://www.northeast-hotel.com/en/list_udonthani.php[/url]
[url]http://www.northeast-hotel.com/en/list_nong_khai.php[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks, I will read the links and pass the information onto my friends.

[QUOTE=Johannaway]Is BBBJ a norm at Khon Kaen soapies? (Kosa, Caesar and the one near roma hotel forgot the name.)

Can we have 2 shots in 90 minutes?[/QUOTE]

I've never been to the one near Roma.. wish I knew the name I'd go check it out. But BBBJ is the norm at Caesar and also at the second-rate Lilly Massage, but I've only gotten it about 70% of the time at Kosa. Some prima donnas there.

As for 2 shots I have no idea - it takes me most of the 90 minutes to get one out, and I can't imagine having enough libido for a second.

Well, gentlemen, I hate that I must always beat this horse to death, but I went to Khon Kaen again. I promise I will visit Udon within weeks and report, but for now its just boring old KK.

Even though I have visited this place all too much, I discovered something new the other day - Villa Soapy. Villa is the third 'real soapy' in KK, which I had heard of but never visited. Wow, what a place - it had lots of girls at nine PM on a Friday night, and some weren't bad at all, with a 'low' price of only 1,300 for all girls I saw.

By the way, let me say a word about architecture and decor. This may seem a non-sequitur, but really, gents, the old and decrepit soapy sauna is so much more charming than the new. I've never mentioned it, but Ceasar is pretty old and run down, but Villa even more so. Compared to the slick, newer Kosa, these really give a boost to the libido. I think it is because they remind one of the 1970s - the last time that hedonistic sex was really a going concern in this sad world. Villa seemed large, with lots of rooms, and the usual mirrors along the bed, but alas no porn on the TV. The best recommendation I can give is that it had a very nice big bathtub.

So, back to the poonanny. I took a really amazingly attractive 22 year old - slim and a bit tall. Why is she 1,300 at Villa when plenty of cows are 1,700 or even 2,000 at Kosa. I don't know but it might be due to differences in skin tone too subtle for farang perception. In any case she was fairly pale. Service was fine, with decent BBBJ, some friendly closed mouth kissing, and so forth. I even 'went down' a bit - a rarity for me - and it was fresh and seemed shockingly tiny.

I donned the absurd torture device that they do insist on, just to go through the motions. Of course I enjoyed it not at all, but I noticed that she actually did seem to, a bit, and I had also noted she had expressed no size-related fears when introduced to my constant companion. So I went to work with insouciance and subtlety, but steely determination, to pursuade a young cutey to bend to my requests. I really didn't hold out much hope, but finally she did acquiesce, though for a truly sickening tip. Thus I was able to finish with reasonable satisfaction (though on her trim little belly and nubile breasts), but ended up very broke. Well, at least she was awfully cute.

I discovered a new value accomodation in KK - The PP Hotel, not far from the Train Station. Only 300 baht for a basic room with hot water and air. Large, not old, place, of about 6-7 stories with elevator and 24 hour very nice front desk.

In other notations I did drop by the soi of small traditional (fake-Kareoke) brothels, and there were a lot of reasonably attractive women there, most quoting me the 'real price' at 500 baht, with a few demanding 700 for the farang unpleasantness.

I also rather foolishly visited Violin Kareoke - the high end place - at about 3:00 AM. Yes, it was still open! I was charged almost 1,000 baht for the room, girls drinks, etc etc, but lucked out with a 'game' girl who made out with me extensively, and gave me a pretty good hand job with lots of nipple nibbling in the room, no tip demanded. She kept saying 'no sex in room' though, and finally I had to finish myself off. Kind of a silly arrangement (almost like going to a strip club in the Bad Place), but it was strangely titillating, and there were some quite attractive girls there. They told me it was 2,000 to the girl to go out for 3 hours of actual sex, pretty much just like Cleo Kareoke in Pullman Hotel. Girls roughly equivalent but perhaps slightly less attractive.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Well, gentlemen, I hate that I must always beat this horse to death, but I went to Khon Kaen again. I promise I will visit Udon within weeks and report, but for now its just boring old KK.

Even though I have visited this place all too much, I discovered something new the other day. Villa Soapy. Villa is the third 'real soapy' in KK, which I had heard of but never visited. Wow, what a place. It had lots of girls at nine PM on a Friday night, and some weren't bad at all, with a 'low' price of only 1, 300 for all girls I saw.

By the way, let me say a word about architecture and decor. This may seem a non-sequitur, but really, gents, the old and decrepit soapy sauna is so much more charming than the new. I've never mentioned it, but Ceasar is pretty old and run down, but Villa even more so. Compared to the slick, newer Kosa, these really give a boost to the libido. I think it is because they remind one of the 1970s. The last time that hedonistic sex was really a going concern in this sad world. Villa seemed large, with lots of rooms, and the usual mirrors along the bed, but alas no porn on the TV. The best recommendation I can give is that it had a very nice big bathtub.

So, back to the poonanny. I took a really amazingly attractive 22 year old. Slim and a bit tall. Why is she 1, 300 at Villa when plenty of cows are 1, 700 or even 2, 000 at Kosa. I don't know but it might be due to differences in skin tone too subtle for farang perception. In any case she was fairly pale. Service was fine, with decent BBBJ, some friendly closed mouth kissing, and so forth. I even 'went down' a bit. A rarity for me. And it was fresh and seemed shockingly tiny.

I donned the absurd torture device that they do insist on, just to go through the motions. Of course I enjoyed it not at all, but I noticed that she actually did seem to, a bit, and I had also noted she had expressed no size-related fears when introduced to my constant companion. So I went to work with insouciance and subtlety, but steely determination, to pursuade a young cutey to bend to my requests. I really didn't hold out much hope, but finally she did acquiesce, though for a truly sickening tip. Thus I was able to finish with reasonable satisfaction (though on her trim little belly and nubile breasts), but ended up very broke. Well, at least she was awfully cute.

I discovered a new value accomodation in KK. The PP Hotel, not far from the Train Station. Only 300 baht for a basic room with hot water and air. Large, not old, place, of about 6-7 stories with elevator and 24 hour very nice front desk.

In other notations I did drop by the soi of small traditional (fake-Kareoke) brothels, and there were a lot of reasonably attractive women there, most quoting me the 'real price' at 500 baht, with a few demanding 700 for the farang unpleasantness.

I also rather foolishly visited Violin Kareoke. The high end place. At about 3:00 AM. Yes, it was still open! I was charged almost 1, 000 baht for the room, girls drinks, etc etc, but lucked out with a 'game' girl who made out with me extensively, and gave me a pretty good hand job with lots of nipple nibbling in the room, no tip demanded. She kept saying 'no sex in room' though, and finally I had to finish myself off. Kind of a silly arrangement (almost like going to a strip club in the Bad Place), but it was strangely titillating, and there were some quite attractive girls there. They told me it was 2, 000 to the girl to go out for 3 hours of actual sex, pretty much just like Cleo Kareoke in Pullman Hotel. Girls roughly equivalent but perhaps slightly less attractive.[/QUOTE]Glad to know you visited villa massage after so many times living here Opebo, but 1300 baths! I used to know the golden age when price was 800 baths. Anyway I always got good time in this complex, have you visited their hotel? Until 2004 prices was 200 baths for air con room with tv(no cable) and hot shower, but rooms was bad maintened with tear sheet bed, and disgusting bathroom, but you are in the center of everything, many girls working the massage and the KTV live here too(alone or with their thai bf). I spend so many good times in this hotel making party with girls. A crap hotel but excellent to get new friends and girls from KTV was not the less attractive

About your last report, I agree with you Roma is a good place to stay(it was the residence of skinless if I ve good memory), sawasdee hotel is excellent too, I don t know now but before the top floor had ordinary room for 160 baths. But rooms was so hot. Also Roma and sawasdee are really well located.

Thanks for your comments Channy. Yes, the price of everything has shot through the roof in Thailand - its just not cheap anymore. Roma is OK at 500 baht for air and 250 for fan now, but only a few of the fan rooms have hot water. I find hot water far more important in Isaan in the winter than air. I did not know that there was a hotel connected to Villa Massage.. I wonder what was the name? Maybe Kaen Inn?

[QUOTE=Opebo]Even though I have visited this place all too much, I discovered something new the other day - Villa Soapy. Villa is the third 'real soapy' in KK, which I had heard of but never visited. Wow, what a place - it had lots of girls at nine PM on a Friday night, and some weren't bad at all, with a 'low' price of only 1,300 for all girls I saw.

By the way, let me say a word about architecture and decor. This may seem a non-sequitur, but really, gents, the old and decrepit soapy sauna is so much more charming than the new. I've never mentioned it, but Ceasar is pretty old and run down, but Villa even more so. Compared to the slick, newer Kosa, these really give a boost to the libido. I think it is because they remind one of the 1970s - the last time that hedonistic sex was really a going concern in this sad world. Villa seemed large, with lots of rooms, and the usual mirrors along the bed, but alas no porn on the TV. The best recommendation I can give is that it had a very nice big bathtub.
[/QUOTE]Could you give some detailed information please on the location of Villa in Khon Kaen?

[QUOTE=Bella Oxmyx]Could you give some detailed information please on the location of Villa in Khon Kaen?[/QUOTE]Sure: [url=http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Villa+Massage,+Nai+Muang,+Muang+Khon+kaen,+Khon+Kaen+40000,+Thailand&vps=3&jsv=196c&sll=16.003576,102.620544&sspn=1.718659,2.458191&g=khon+kaen+thailand&ie=UTF8&geocode=FfzD-gAdWichBg&split=0]the location of Villa in Khon Kaen[/url]

[QUOTE=Opebo]Sure: [url=http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Villa+Massage,+Nai+Muang,+Muang+Khon+kaen,+Khon+Kaen+40000,+Thailand&vps=3&jsv=196c&sll=16.003576,102.620544&sspn=1.718659,2.458191&g=khon+kaen+thailand&ie=UTF8&geocode=FfzD-gAdWichBg&split=0]the location of Villa in Khon Kaen[/url][/QUOTE]The Google Map link points to where Pizza Bake is.

I have heard of a soapy around the Roma hotel before. But I have never seen any signage anywhere in that area for a soapy, Villa, or anything else. Is there signage? Is it on the Roma side of the street, or the other side? Is it inside another building, or in back of something?

[QUOTE=Bella Oxmyx]The Google Map link points to where Pizza Bake is.

I have heard of a soapy around the Roma hotel before. But I have never seen any signage anywhere in that area for a soapy, Villa, or anything else. Is there signage? Is it on the Roma side of the street, or the other side? Is it inside another building, or in back of something?[/QUOTE]Sorry, I don't remember exactly where it is, nor do I remember any signage - there may be none in Latin characters. I believe someone told me it was near or associated with, or connected to, the 'Kaen Inn'. In any case any tuk tuk can take you there, or you can just ask around near the Roma/Pizza Bake area. Asking for 'Villa Ab Nam Nuat' should probably work very well.

Walk out of the front door of the Roma to the street and turn right. Go less than a block and you will come to a bunch of vendors selling food. The Villa is right across the street. It's a large building and does not have a very conspicuous sign in Thai. Just cross the street and enter through one of two doors (the door near the corner takes you right in near the fishbowl).

I was go back to Nongkhai to see my friend who run and own the Jungle Bar.

It is the wildest nightspot in Nongkhai.

I was happy to know that all the brothels wher reopen now ther are so maney to see.

But you need to get tuck tuck to show you wher ther are.

You will never friend them.

Me and my friend have moter bike then pay tuk tuk to take us around to wher they are.

We pay hime 100 thai bart.

Then we go back for some fun?

I stopped by Villa once again, where I found that there were a lot of girls in the 'second class' window. When I had visited before I didn't even notice the second window - the first set of girls just sits on a long set of sofas in the open, and are 1,300. The cheaper 1,000 baht girls are just behind a window quite far from the seating area. Perhaps it is intentional to make their imperfections less perceivable, but I saw one that seemed very good looking, and the papa said she was 24.

In the room she turned out to have had a child in the past, so she wasn't quite up to the standard of Khon Kaen soapies. I guess that's the deal at Villa - the 1,000 baht girls have a burst seed-pod, the 1,300 don't. It really does make a big difference, even if there are no stretch marks. Anyway I remember at Lilly (the second-rate soapy at Princess Hotel) the girls had all reproduced, while most had not at the higher-levels of Kosa and Ceasar soapies (say the 1,500-2,200 baht levels).

So, perhaps in consequence of this shortcoming, BBBJ was unusually good, but BBFS could not be had. I went through the motions for a long while in the three standard positions, joylessly and without any pleasure, but finally removed the horrible rubber and acquiesced to a mere handjob. It went on for ages, and I really just didn't enjoy it, so I suggested we just give up, but the girl - as they sometimes do - took this as a challenge and redoubled her efforts. Finally I managed to finish, but without feeling satisfied.

Just messing around with a bit of BBBJ and various other play, and finishing up by handjob is a marginally acceptable form of release if the girl is very young and good looking, but its really not worth doing if she's had a kid and is over say 23 or 24. In my opinion, of course.

[QUOTE=Hotshanehot]...in Nongkhai.

I was happy to know that all the brothels wher reopen now ther are so maney to see.[/QUOTE]

HSH - this seems to be the trend throughout the country - loosening of the old Red/Thaksinish stricter ways. I love the new government. Enjoy it while it lasts gentlemen, no doubt the horrible populists will be back soon.

I recently visited the Sois in Udon, and found them thriving and very 'out in the open' - doors open and girls in sexy outfits visible as you strolled in the street in Soi 2. I drove down Soi Seven as well - lots of touts quoting 700 to bring girls to either the short time hotels or even some regular hotels, and I was shocked to see that one regular house off to the side soi on the left as you enter the main Soi looking open (didn't stop to check, but recommend that someone do so, it used to be a hell of a nice house). I also heard Soi Sow Fie Dang was open as usual but didn't visit.

In Soi 2 I visited the 'better' house on the side-soi to the left (the one where the hidden camera was supposedly brought in), and though it was open it was very picked over and had more men than women in the waiting/choosing area. The girls were very good looking as usual, and priced at the same 600. However when we visited the other houses there were lots of women - more than on previous visits, and many of them were on a par with the 'better' house. However the price for the better looking girls in the lesser houses is now 500-600 depending on the girl, and there was even one 800 baht girl in one house. The pimpmen stated she'd just arrived, though she didn't look as attractive to me as the extremely cute 500 baht girl sitting next to her. Anyway don't worry as there are still plenty of 400 baht girls available - still mostly very attractive but around mid to late twenties in age.

Interestingly the girls were very friendly - usually they are not at all friendly in these types of places. No sullen looks, and lots of smiles and joking friendly attempts to speak English. I suspect its the current 'open' policing which has left them feeling cheerful, the poor persecuted things. Anyway, alas, I didn't actually try any girls as I was exhausted from travelling to Udon, and I kept thinking of Lee66's warnings - I suspect I would be extremely unlikely to get anything I wanted in the room. So, the trip was just a survey, but I'm thinking of returning soon to actually try a couple.

And I may just wear a yellow shirt when I go!

Oh, and btw, the whole town retains its party atmosphere - perhaps it is high season, or perhaps it is the blessed loosening of strictures, but the farang streets and bar-areas seemed thriving and full of very farang-style dirty girls (the opposite of the Soi cuties, but very nice). Prices quoted in most bars were in fact Pattaya level - 500 short, 1,000 long time, 300 baht bar fine. So don't accept or believe if someone tells you its 1,000 short and more for long time in Udon, unless perhaps the girl is a true knockout. Finally there seemed to be a few more late night or all night bars, and even though the law is apparently still the absurd 12:00 AM closing, most bars seemed to have paid their 1:00-2:00 AM fees.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Thanks for your comments Channy. Yes, the price of everything has shot through the roof in Thailand. Its just not cheap anymore. Roma is OK at 500 baht for air and 250 for fan now, but only a few of the fan rooms have hot water. I find hot water far more important in Isaan in the winter than air. I did not know that there was a hotel connected to Villa Massage. I wonder what was the name? Maybe Kaen Inn?[/QUOTE]Well so finaly you find the second window, and from 800 bath to 1000 baths it s not a big inflation. 200 baths more in 10 years. So 20 baths increase per year only.

The hotel name of villa complex was not kaen inn, but simply "Villa hotel". It was ever recommanded in lonely planet!. But maybe the name has change now.

Anyway no signs of street hookers in front of Roma hotel? I m wondered because roma hotel is opposite to a small soi where a small baan pouying was located. But girls mostly in their 30's. But maybe has gone?

[QUOTE=Channy]Well so finaly you find the second window, and from 800 bath to 1000 baths it s not a big inflation. 200 baths more in 10 years. So 20 baths increase per year only.[/quote]

True, but the girls in the 1,000 baht window were really below 'doable'.

[QUOTE=Channy]Anyway no signs of street hookers in front of Roma hotel? I m wondered because roma hotel is opposite to a small soi where a small baan pouying was located. But girls mostly in their 30's. But maybe has gone?[/QUOTE]

I did see some streetwalkers near Roma but they were the same ones I had seen near the bus station. Or rather, some of the worst/oldest from the bus station. I've never seen the small house you describe, but I've never looked. Was it alone on its soi or were there several?

I returned twice to Sois and got precisely what I was looking for, so I'm in love with the place again. Price 400 plus a tip one day and 300 plus the next. I revisited soi 7 where I found the much missed house had in fact not reopened.

We also visited the Oscar and Valentine soapies, where we found a good lineup at Oscar and a so-so one at Valentine. The former had around 20 girls with slightly below par ones at the 1350 level and several very nice ones at the 1,650 and 1,850 levels. The latter had just one very pretty but jaded and exhausted looking Bangkok girl at 1,850 while the other half-dozen priced at 1,450 were all a bit too worn.

Budget for the two days:

Hotels - 350+250= 600 bahts
foodstuffs - 900
girls - 1,500
misc - 600
Total - 3,600 bahts

[quote=channy]this is only your opinion, i like buriram, it s a quiet and relaxing small town, with delicious and cheap isaan food, friendly people. and " speed disco" is not the only place to find girls. just read the archives if you don t trust me.

the only point i agree with you is: the few number of great looking girls in p4p system

but if you have been in buriram only for p4p and high hopes about quality girls and low prices i understand your desillusion.[/quote]this is a p4p forum, hence the comments, if you are promoting buriram as a quiet / relaxing place - buriram expats / trip advisor etc are for you. in comparison to the rest of thailand, completely unremarkable in the scenery and quality of the jungle / sights. it is a small relaxing town and if you read the whole post rather than the short quote, i did say the usual smile, be discreet and it isn't a problem to get girls. you have the usual rule of any bar / pool hall / karo bar etc if you are nice / smile etc but that is same all across asia.

[QUOTE=Pita123]I always figured this part of the country was to be visited with a girl you found in Bangkok. What brings you up there?[/QUOTE]I have travelled extensively over this region, as part of work, researching the temples and also the reports of violence and trouble. This province is listed as one of the parts civil war could start if the king dies. Thas etc There are concerns over the number of Cambodian men in the region.

Buriram is a small town but is the city for people in the region and is very quiet and laidback,

I have been involved in a lot of charity work with families in the region who don't have clean water and electricity Supplying water pumps, water filteration, solar power to charge batteries during the day.

This part of the country is Khymer in history, for the layman Cambodian until recently. It does have friendly expats and the people are friendly. But rural.

Imo nicer parts to visit, nothing you can't see in surin etc, however if you like quiet rural places not a bad place to live. Hence the high number of expats.

But if you are looking for a good thai wife. There are plenty here who would love a farand boyfriend but not interested in working in bars etc.

[QUOTE=Lastman]
But if you are looking for a good thai wife. There are plenty here who would love a farand boyfriend but not interested in working in bars etc.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I have a regular girl from up there. Beautiful women. Maybe if I'm ready for a wife I'll head up and go shopping.

[QUOTE=Pita123]Yeah, I have a regular girl from up there. Beautiful women. Maybe if I'm ready for a wife I'll head up and go shopping.[/QUOTE]

There's always many to be found in Big C - especially the food hall. Full of smiles for the farang and more than a few "want to try a farang"

[QUOTE=Opebo]
I recently visited the Sois in Udon, and found them thriving
[/QUOTE]

Can confirm. Went to soi 7 for the first time at Christmas. A Thai guy (whom I had just met in a karaoke bar) brought me there.
Visited 4 houses and the line-up was acceptable to good in all of them. In the 4th one I visited it was outstanding: 4 girls, all young, all doable, 2 of them were real cuties. I was quoted 300 bahts in all of them. Was surprised as I went with a Thai guy and expected him to get a commission. Maybe it's because I looked not really horny/eager as it was 3am and I had had quite a few beers.
Went with one of the real cuties. As expected her performance (no BJ, CFS) was so-so but at 300 bahts a shot still very good value especially considering her age and looks... Gave her and the Thai guy a small tip.

Directions: haven't seen any soi sign, neither could I see this soi on my map but basically if you drive on Wattananuwong Rd coming from the hospital and past Adulyadet Rd, it's the first soi on the left after the TV/radio (?) tower (a big red and white tower).

[QUOTE=Mart Cham]...Directions: haven't seen any soi sign, neither could I see this soi on my map but basically if you drive on Wattananuwong Rd coming from the hospital and past Adulyadet Rd, it's the first soi on the left after the TV/radio (?) tower (a big red and white tower).[/QUOTE]

It seems that you've visited Soi Sow Fai Deng actually, not Adulyadet Soi 7 (not exactly the same area, nor the same prices nowadays).

Other members and I wrote a few reports about this place in the past and I even attached the following map with one of them: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=122273[/url]

[QUOTE=Goyave]It seems that you've visited Soi Sow Fai Deng actually, not Adulyadet Soi 7 (not exactly the same area, nor the same prices nowadays).

Other members and I wrote a few reports about this place in the past and I even attached the following map with one of them: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=122273[/url][/QUOTE]

I stand corrected. The Thai guy called it soi jet (without telling me of which 'thanon').

[QUOTE=Mart Cham]I stand corrected. The Thai guy called it soi jet (without telling me of which 'thanon').[/QUOTE]

Adulyadet Soi 7 is also another famous location for our hobby, but have a look at the map and you will see that it's not exactly in the same area.

The red and white tower that you've noticed belongs to the CAT International Telephone Office, and the nearest brothels (from this tower) on the left side of Wattana Nuwong road (coming from the Paolo Hospital) are those of Soi Sow Fai Deng, as other members can confirm, despite what you've understood or what your Thai guide said.

I can describe all the brothels of this soi if needed. I'm a frequent visitor of these fine establishments since year 2002.

[QUOTE=Goyave]Adulyadet Soi 7 is also another famous location for our hobby, but have a look at the map and you will see that it's not exactly in the same area.

The white and red tower that you've noticed belongs to the CAT International Telephone Office, and the nearest brothels (from this tower) on the left side of Wattana Nuwong road (coming from the Paolo Hospital) are those of Soi Sow Fai Deng, as other members can confirm, despite what you've understood or what your Thai guide said.

I can describe all the brothels of this soi if needed. I'm a frequent visitor of these fine establishments since year 2002.[/QUOTE]

I can see Adulyadet soi 7 on my map, I'll give it a whirl next time I'm in town. Thanks for the clarification.

When I was finished at Soi Sow Fai Daeng I had a Leo with my newly found Thai friend and he wanted to show me another place. We rode a looong time (at least 15-20 minutes) and the guy was driving really fast, at some point I lost him and drove back to the city center. Must have been a hell of a good place if he so much wanted to go there despite the distance. Too bad...

I have to say that the scene in Udon is quite lively compared to other Isaan cities I've been to (I lived in UBon for a couple of months). I wasn't too impressed with the Farang orientated scene though, the only very few hot bargirls I've seen were already with expats/long time tourists.

[QUOTE=Mart Cham]... I wasn't too impressed with the Farang orientated scene though, the only very few hot bargirls I've seen were already with expats/long time tourists.[/QUOTE]

You're right. For me, the Farang orientated scene in Udon Thani is not really interesting (girls are usually older, less attractive and more expensive than at the Thai-orientated places).

Nong Khai might be worth a visit too after the night has fallen (fun can also be had in the afternoon, but many venues open only later in the evening). The most beautiful P4P girls I've ever seen so far in the Land of Smiles were working in a brothel on Soi Suk Pracha in Nong Khai (but you can't do the deed on premises there, it's just a pick-up joint).

Maybe your Thai friend wanted to go there. Or at a local karaoke place in the province... I know quite a few in this area, but most of them are a waste of time in my humble opinion and the girls are usually way overpriced.

There are several other brothels in Nong Khai that are very similar to those that you can find in Udon Thani, but they are less numerous and the girls are often older and less attractive.

Nong Khai. Nice little city. More than any other in the region it actually has some charm and laid back feel to it. I read about Soi Sri Boon Ruang 2 and decided to check it out. I drove by probably a half dozen times at different times of day and I may have seen 1-3 decent looking girls. The vast majority is old and ugly. I also walked by but did not actually go in to take a close look. I was not impressed. This is certainly not the promised land of hot young girls from Laos.

Khon Kaen.

Bus station. I drove by slowly and saw very little action on Thursday evening. The women that were there were all crack***** lookalikes. I think there was one semi-hot one but I'm pretty sure it was a ladyboy. Maybe it is because I drove around that I wasn't approached by pimps that would show me more? IMO, avoid.

Little Soi behind Pullman Hotel. I never actually saw a sign for this Soi but prior reports say it is Song Suphanee. I just circled behind Pullman until I found it. There are 6 little brothels right next to each other. I drove by several times and eventually stopped to take a closer look at a little after 2am (probably too late.) Aside from one or two 'maybes', they were all ugly and old. I did not partake.

Violin Kareoke. I went there around 1130pm. Got a line up of about 8 girls. 2 were decent and actually not bad! One had really messed up teeth. Very bad. So I chose the other one. This was my first karaoke experience. She sang as I groped her a little and she would stop me if I went too far. There is much more groping permitted in Go-gos in my experience. This was pretty tame. I eventually asked if I can take her to my hotel. Nope! Not available, but the guy insisted he can get me another girl. At this point it is approaching 2am. I guess he calls some girls and gets no answers and I go home alone. BTW, 2 hours, I had 1 beer and 1 soda water, the girl had 4-5 lady drinks, came to just shy of 2, 000 baht. Semi-interesting for a first timer like me but definitely not worth it.

General Lessons:

In traveling various smaller cities of Thailand, I think there are two things to remember.

First, get there early. You really can not be too early if you want first pickings. This really hurts me because I'm a night owl and it also takes me a little nerve to take initiative and actually go to these places. For example, the beer bars in Chiang Mai are 85% uglies or low-average girls at 7pm. At 10pm it is 95% uglies.

Second, I am traveling by vehicle but finding places sometimes takes time, circling, and re-researching, etc. Commission be damned. I think having a tuk-tuk driver take you on a loop of places is possibly the best strategy for people who are new in a city. If you don't like selection at one place they can just hurry up to the next place and you are not wasting your time in order to save $10-15. I will start doing this from now on.

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[QUOTE=Dcpublius]... I read about Soi Sri Boon Ruang 2 and decided to check it out. I drove by probably a half dozen times at different times of day and I may have seen 1-3 decent looking girls. The vast majority is old and ugly...[/QUOTE]You're right, alas. Quality (in the looks department) of the girls has gone severely downhill in this area. You might find better looking girls in the soi that is located just behind the Nong Khai Grand Hotel, and a lot better, on soi Suk Pracha (at a pick-up joint that is open only when the night has fallen). Prices are higher too (in the 500-700 baht range for a farang, depending on the place and not including the room, while it's only 300 baht at Soi Sri Boon Ruang 2 or similar places on Meechai Road, room included).

Anyway, Soi Sow Fai Deng at 300 baht for a ST session, or Adunyadet Soi 2 at 400 baht (for a farang) in Udon Thani are better value (for instance) and the girls here are usually younger and more attractive than in the brothels of Soi Sri Boon Ruang 2 in Nong Khai nowadays.

[QUOTE=Dcpublius]I never actually saw a sign for this Soi but prior reports say it is Song Suphanee.[/QUOTE]You probably won't find a sign like that. "Song Suphanee" means *****house.

[QUOTE=Goyave]You're right. For me, the Farang orientated scene in Udon Thani is not really interesting (girls are usually older, less attractive and more expensive than at the Thai-orientated places).[/QUOTE]For sure more expensive, but there are actually nowadays quite a few teenaged cuties around the bars. It is really worth a look. But like all good things, go quickly, as in case the government changes back to the bad side it will all be worse again soon.

Dcpublius, I enjoyed your report about Nong Khai and Khon Kaen, but I must say you're a bit pickier than I. I think for the very picky man the Cleo Kareoke in Pullman hotel is really the place to go. I was in there the other night, and while it is true not every girl is a knockout, quite a few are, and the majority are really very lovely. The price there should be 2,000 baht short time, just like Violin.

Regarding your girl's refusal at Violin, I have noticed that the girls seem to be free to be barfined before 11:00 or 11:30 PM, but are not allowed to leave if they stay on later than that. In fact I've been in there at 3:30-4:00 in the morning, so it seems to be open very (even illegally) late, but the line-up which stays on very late seems to be 'trapped' or committed to staying all night.

Cleo on the other hand seems to close promptly at one AM and the girls are all simply available from 9:00 PM to 1:00. In any case I'll bet the girl you partied with in the kareoke room was available to you to take to your hotel at some time and under some circumstances, just not then and there.

Lastly regarding going early - its not always the case that this is beneficial. At brothel sois later is just as good as earlier (I usually go as late as 1-3 AM), and at the bus station no girl is there before nine PM, most not arriving till ten. At Cleos the prime time is 10:00 PM to say 11:30 PM. I would recommend getting out of your car on the brothel sois next time and strolling around.. though it is wise not to walk around the bus station scene.

The Jungle Bar

Is in Nong Khai City.

I was ther for New Year's Eve the girls are all attractive and are less expensive then Udon Thani.

[QUOTE=Hotshanehot]The Jungle Bar

Is in Nong Khai City.

I was ther for New Year's Eve the girls are all attractive and are less expensive then Udon Thani.[/QUOTE]

Would you mind elaborating a bit?
What kind of bar? Where exactly?

[QUOTE=Mart Cham]Would you mind elaborating a bit?

What kind of bar? Where exactly?[/QUOTE]From the market in the city go to the right along the river about 2km's or near the end of road when you see beer belly billy's it is two shop's back if you get a map you will see beer belly billy's on it.

Ther is about 6 or more girls in ther. I think about 300 b/f 500 s/t 1000 L/t

[QUOTE=Opebo]
Lastly regarding going early - its not always the case that this is beneficial. At brothel sois later is just as good as earlier /QUOTE]

One does tend to get "sloppy seconds" when going later!

[QUOTE=Hotshanehot]From the market in the city go to the right along the river about 2km's or near the end of road when you see beer belly billy's it is two shop's back if you get a map you will see beer belly billy's on it.

Ther is about 6 or more girls in ther. I think about 300 b/f 500 s/t 1000 L/t[/QUOTE]

OK thanks but with only 6+ girls available it's also likely that nobody takes my fancy. Besides, the rates you mention are by no means different from standard Udon rates for bargirls. Anyway I will have a look at the place.

[QUOTE=Bumholes1][QUOTE=Opebo]
Lastly regarding going early - its not always the case that this is beneficial. At brothel sois later is just as good as earlier[/QUOTE]

One does tend to get "sloppy seconds" when going later![/QUOTE]

That doesn't bother me one little bit. Share it - it won't wear out!

It’s better to say that the taxi driver pulled me out with my baggage over the center fence of the road at top floor of Suvarnabhumi airport. When we arrived at Mochit Bus Terminal it was around 6.0 p.m. and the meter shows 270bht to pay (It was not express way and I choose the normal way). Opebo told me to find “Chang Tour”, they have specious bus and good service. When I asked the said tour service none of at the information desk got my spell. OK it’s my fault. I wrote on a piece of paper the “Chang Tour” oh yeah they got very straight it is “Chan Tower” some thing like that. Ok Ok I’l be able to find out the counter no.113.

The ladies in the counter was warm and seen very kind to me even I found very difficult to communicate with them with my English. I told the lady pls confirm my ticket on arriving at 8.0 a.m on the next day. It was 6.0 p.m. and I can’t make myself more stupid to arrive at Udon in the middle of night after traveling a long 8hrs. Since, it was my first visit for the place. Finally the lady confirmed my ticket and advises me to appear at 11.00 p.m. so she personally can escort me on board at terminal no. 19 & 21.

I can’t blame to anybody for my stupidity to choose bus service in place of air (while it was known that there were air service also available for Udon). I started strolling around the terminal to kill a long 5hrs. I know the expats like Opebo or others what supposed to do to kill the time. They will arrive any joint for hobbyist nearby the terminal and will be capable to arrive within the right time. But I was not able to do anything like that only just find there were some bus service also available for Patt from Mochit also.

Contd…

[QUOTE=Mua Tur]
I can’t blame to anybody for my stupidity to choose bus service in place of air (while it was known that there were air service also available for Udon). I started strolling around the terminal to kill a long 5hrs. I know the expats like Opebo or others what supposed to do to kill the time. They will arrive any joint for hobbyist nearby the terminal and will be capable to arrive within the right time. But I was not able to do anything like that only just find there were some bus service also available for Patt from Mochit also.

Contd…[/QUOTE]
Not only did you not take the flying option, usually for less than 2,000 one way, you also did not take the other option which was the overnight train. Here you take the train (which I think leaves BKK at about 8pm) ensuring that you get 1st class for about 1,300baht one way. This gives you a separate 2 bunk compartment - frequently you will have the compartment to yourself. You can also check out the bar on the train where you can smoke (windows are open) and drink large bottles of Singha for about 120baht a go. Bar usually closes at about 10.30pm. Train arrives in Udon Thani at about 7.30am or so, if memory serves me right.

Yes Simian has a good point about the sleeper train, though the second class (air or non-air) is perfectly adequate at just over (for air) and just under (for non-air) half the price of the first class compartment. But keep in mind that for this you need to book a little in advance, perhaps 3-4 days.

My advices to Mua Tur were based on the idea that he was on a budget and didn't have time to make reservations ahead and wait in Bangkok. Chan Tour is the way to go to Udon in those circumstances.

However I would like to dispute the notion that it is preferable to wait in the bus station for a bus that will arrive in the early morning. Far better to get on the bus immediately - even if you arrive in the middle of the night, a hotel room is only 300-400 baht and then you can sleep comfortably for a few hours before lunch. It never makes sense to wait in the bus station if a hotel could possibly await at the end of journey.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Yes Simian has a good point about the sleeper train, though the second class (air or non-air) is perfectly adequate at just over (for air) and just under (for non-air) half the price of the first class compartment. But keep in mind that for this you need to book a little in advance, perhaps 3-4 days.[/QUOTE]
I think 2nd class is much better value than 1st class too. Paid 490 bahts last time for fan sleeper in 2nd class from Udon to BKK which I booked the same day as departure. My advice: never ever book aircon sleeper, done it a few times in the past, feckin freezing.
I don't remember the price in 1st class but I'd rather fly to Udon than buy a 1st class ticket. With a few days advance, flight bookings are not necessarily more expensive than 1st class train tickets.

[QUOTE=Opebo]
However I would like to dispute the notion that it is preferable to wait in the bus station for a bus that will arrive in the early morning. Far better to get on the bus immediately - even if you arrive in the middle of the night, a hotel room is only 300-400 baht and then you can sleep comfortably for a few hours before lunch. It never makes sense to wait in the bus station if a hotel could possibly await at the end of journey.[/QUOTE]
Completely agree. Especially for places like Udon where finding a cheap and decent hotel is not an issue at all, even in the middle of the night. I think this is true for almost all cities and towns in Thailand by the way.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Yes Simian has a good point about the sleeper train, though the second class (air or non-air) is perfectly adequate at just over (for air) and just under (for non-air) half the price of the first class compartment. But keep in mind that for this you need to book a little in advance, perhaps 3-4 days.

My advices to Mua Tur were based on the idea that he was on a budget and didn't have time to make reservations ahead and wait in Bangkok. Chan Tour is the way to go to Udon in those circumstances.[/QUOTE]

Yeah U did the right thing what I sked for and worked nicely. Thnx for that.

[QUOTE=Opebo]However I would like to dispute the notion that it is preferable to wait in the bus station for a bus that will arrive in the early morning. Far better to get on the bus immediately - even if you arrive in the middle of the night, a hotel room is only 300-400 baht and then you can sleep comfortably for a few hours before lunch. It never makes sense to wait in the bus station if a hotel could possibly await at the end of journey.[/QUOTE]

May be u r right for those who r already experienced about Udon. Remember this was my first visit guided by only the info provided by u and the forum. Now I'm sure I'l not harm myself and will be offer myself a smooth journy.

From the bus stop The Tuk Tuk carried me to Top Mansion for 40 bht. And it was within few minuets. Later I realized within the action zone the standard tuk tuk price is this. But u can pull it down for 30bht if u r a bit bargainer. It was 9.30a.m and wow what a welcome scene was waiting for me. There were two guys with two ladies departing the hotel. May be they were traveling around with their car likely with a single lady and were leaving the other one. She was dark and quite stunning with a bit aged. After leaving the guys once I thought to call the lady and may offer her for the rest of the day. But the hotel was full house and there were no room to spare for me. Moreover the front desk is not sure after 12.00p.m. any availability is there or not.

What I’v to do now? Still I don’t hv any room and if the lady agreed with my offer I’v to carry two heavy baggages until my room to be booked. Since I’m first traveler and I can’t take any chances hunting around for room until 12.0p.m. with two baggage. So I’v to leave one and decided let the lady go.

Again Tuk Tuk and arrived at Ruy Suk Mension. Same story no room available but there are chances if I wait up to 12.00p.m. may be there are a room will be available for me. I decided to wait because it was been advised by Opebo and later it found very effective for my mongering aspects.

Finally I entered in my room after 12.00p.m in Ruy Suk Mension at Adunyaded rd for 350bht a night. Surprisingly I was not tired enough and decided to roam around in day time before the evening start. Arrived in reception and found Mr. Joe very supportive and don’t feel bother to serve info. He supplied a map and marked by a pen the action zone (for evening), Soi 2 and Soi 7. He informed now I’l not be able to find any luck and I’v to wait for couple of hours.

OK whatever it is, I need to see the zone(s) and will be happy enough to be more familiar with the places in day time.

Contd….

finding soi fang dong is found difficult to other expats. so i deleted the street from my visit list. soi 7 is immediate after the ruy suk mansion. it’s a long diagonal road and i enter with expecting some sign should assure me about the action. but alas! i found completely deserted the place. no sign no indication no affirmation what it may offer. some aged guys sitting in plastic chairs and throwing weird looks to me, that’s all. no body interested to show anything why a farang walking all along the road and what he looks for.

ok let’s try for soi 2. joe told me u will not find any name plate but u will be able to find by pointing the food shops on entrance of the road. it’s also deserted right now. joe u r right, it’s too early for action. returned back to hotel, saying hello to other guys in lounge and ordered my lunch to joe’s kitchen. a lady came and kissed on the palm of a guy seated on the lounge, they talked and disappeared behind the bar. ok i can’t handle it, better try for a nap in my room, but failed to get in. on the stair case a guy with a lady landed from their motobyke. bang bang bang a big hit struck in my head, what the hell i’m doing here. left, right, ups and down everybody in their room with ladies and we know what they are doing behind the closed door. and what i’m doing here? hunting around road to road under the hot sun, for what?

there were a lady working in the hotel seems eager to provide service if i ask for that. but i’v a bitter experience in tashkant(uzbekistan). inviting a hotel girl in my room on my first day. later whenever i brought lady from outside i got to mange jealous attitude from the hotel girl. so i skipped the hotel option for my last deserted day in udon. i didn’t enter in the room and return back desperately to soi 2 (soi 7 is hopeless).

on my 2nd round i got my luck here. skipped the first group because at a glance i found nothing was charmed to me. there were a tout standing beside the 2nd group of 2/3 ladies. the only one tiny and skinny fitted in her pant showing interest to me. i asked the pimp is there no ladies more? he lead me to his hut made of wood plunk, closer roof, dark and sheet hole type. but i didn’t find anything better than the skinny one. it was not the thing normally i used for but right now i want a lady in my room to make the time fruitful as i have. the tout asked 500bht for in house use. need less to say my scary feelings denied using their room. i offered 400bht in my hotel room. the tout finally agreed and we three moved to our hotel using his motobyke.

before the evening i picked two more girls from the same street, using the same motobyke but never paid any for the transportation. but paid 500bht each time. there are some reasons to bringing girls in my room. first i didn’t like their hut and second i have the opportunity to wash the girl thoroughly. may be i can get girls less than i’v paid off, if i agreed to use their place. but i will loose the cleaning ness, what was important for me. ****d girl was never been listed in my fancy and the pimp several time insisted to pick one of them. i denied every time, who is going to do dirty business with the police!

i hv also visited soi 7 for the 2nd and last round. this time a guy called me to enter his shop. ladies? i say yes. he jumped on his bike with me and we both started to explore the houses he knows. first house we entered there were two girls available, one was looks icy and not interested on me. the 2nd one was bubbly but has fat in her bally making off to me. we visited couple of empty houses and finally we agreed mongering in this street is completely dead now.

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[QUOTE=Mua Tur]Finding Soi Fang Dong is found difficult to other expats..[/QUOTE]

'Fie Dang', not Fang Dong. Fie pronounced like 'pie', and 'Dang' like 'dang it' in an old Western.

[QUOTE=Opebo]'Fie Dang', not Fang Dong. Fie pronounced like 'pie', and 'Dang' like 'dang it' in an old Western.[/QUOTE]
Soi Fang Dong ( ซอยแฝงดง ) ain't easy to find but once you've found the forest you've gone too far.

the owner of day & night bar demands in some places that, sexiest girls for udon they have. i have strolled all along the road from top mansion to the night market at prajak road. seems they are quite right with their demand. on my first entry in this place a wild girl rushed and crossed me was caught my eyes. but i’d taken already three girls before the evening starts, so i leave her to check around more.

while strolling around the bars nothing was fancy to me. loads of avg looking girls in all the bars and i tried hard to book someone but failed to bring any one on my test. as a result couple of beer glasses made me at the edge of drunken and derived me couple of glasses to leave half. retuned back to day & night to find the girl at first was on my eyes. it’s 10.0p.m. and i’m a fool for looking again such an attractive girl should be remain for me on this time. while sipping my glass in a bar middle of left raw (forget the name) seen a girl sitting with two more guys caught my fancy. awaiting for long time but failed to find the girl un-booked any more and decided to visit again the bars beside the alley of night market. here “mission finding nimo” completed surprisingly. the girl was calling another guy and ignored by him. right after that she smelled out of a dog with wet mouth full of salvia, that’s me. she was looking straight but not to me with a keen attention when i will step inside the bar and i did. the girl (see the pic-age21) flew me to the bar counter and start talking, surprisingly a fluent english, even i got no chances to open my mouth. i can’t kiss her to shut her mouth, isn’t it we are meeting first time? instead of that i ordered a san miguel for her. and opened a big smile as i didn’t have from pretty long time.

we drank and talked and my busy palm brushing continuously her revealed round leg. once she asked me hw old r u? i said it’s 50ish, i whispered in her year, still i can fu…she yelled out me too, i want ur.. she knocked on the middle of my two leg. o.k. i had enough, it’s time to barfine. how much? it’s 300bht and 1500bht(lt) for the girl, i agreed, it was 11.30p.m. she put a gogo dark glass on her eyes (she has implanted contact lance) and ordered me to take off my ass. may i buy some food from the night market, i asked her. she was so impatience and unrest on her walking for the wasting of time and me also was keen to enter in my room as early as possible. in the room what i never do, made a deep and hard kiss on her unwashed lips for a long time.

without sounding any word i entered in bathroom and she followed me speechless for wash. i revealed her clothes stopping eyes to her young nipples straight to me and thrown all of them in the room. no towels no shyness just resting her hands on my shoulder and allowed me for a detail wash on her except the eye part of the face. again a deep kiss on her washed spread lips, a hard suck on her nipples after wash. i took her on my hand and she leaned on my chest closing her eyes, just revealing my happiness that the girl is going make my journey to udon unexpectedly.

when i entered in her i feel a roaring grinding, rounding and mounting on me bursting in my head wild, wild and wild. i forget to change positions just ones i pulled her on the edge of the bed and continued what we were doing before.

i’v no complain why i did only once on that night. the truth is we were very tired and got sleep instantly for 8.0a.m. of the next day. a phone call arrived from bkk and it made a full stop for my 24hrs udon trip and i ran out for bus for bkk.

I’v seen a debate on a comment of Opebo “Stick Pattay rather then Udon” for mongering. There were many comments on this issue from many members including Goyave. On my short visit my own conception has been grown about the city. I think relativity in Patt and Udon is not an issue at all. I do agree with some members that if somebody has something to do other than mongering in that region or passing that region may be Udon is the best place for the mongers.

Patt got a permanent existence as one of the top places for mongering in the world. Girls from different nationalities, arriving here for business. Moreover the place is nearer to BKK. Even as a holiday destination peoples from all sector can arrive here within 1.5hrs only.

On the other hand Udon is not a holiday destination at all. I think for the girls the city fully depends on trafficking from the neighboring countries. On my Udon tour I’v meet 5 girls. Two says they are from Laos, two no reply (does Viet?) one says she is half Thai half Lao. There are many reasons to believe that the supply of girls is completely seasonal. For this reason I found Soi 7 is completely empty. The volume of migration making a very good impact on Udon mongering scenes. All the girls are not for Brothels, some are eligible for bar scenes also. So I can say Udon is very much unpredictable regarding qualities, quantities and there prices. When the city got good supply the price goes down and we can get versatile qualities also, but it’s for a time being period only. Because of, may be it’s a backup training city for the larger market in Thailand.

It will be wise to visit the city for mongering after having invitation from some one residing in Udon, who is experiencing the season with full moon.

[QUOTE=Mua Tur]I’v seen a debate on a comment of Opebo “Stick Pattay rather then Udon” for mongering. There were many comments on this issue from many members including Goyave.
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I think for the girls the city fully depends on trafficking from the neighboring countries...[/QUOTE]

I don't think that there's a debate here and I don't really disagree with Opebo, as Udon Thani is certainly not a paradise for every monger.

Pattaya is the place to go if you are a newbie or if you want to get laid with minimum hassles at a reasonable price. The P4P scene is very accessible and the atmosphere is usually friendly and relaxed. Actually, it's so easy there that you don't have to fetch a provider, it's the providers who will hunt you (well, mostly). The difficult thing is to try to sleep alone when you stay in this town, even if you don't know shit about Thailand and Thai language.

Bangkok is another great destination for newbies and people who want to get laid easily. Prices are higher than in Pattaya on average and the whole town is not a giant wh0rehouse, but its red districts are well-known and very easy to find.

Other tourist destinations (Phuket, Chiang Mai, Koh Samui, etc.) usually have a Farang-orientated P4P scene, more or less interesting, but where most girls can speak at least some basic English and are already accustomed to the foreigners' needs and requests.

In Udon Thani (and in the Isan region), the Farang-orientated P4P scene is not very interesting (IMHO). If you really want to enjoy the local scene, it's almost mandatory to speak some Thai language. And you have to know where the locals go, because for the most part, protitution is not visible here. Even the local freelancers usually dress themselves very conservatively (just like everybody else actually).

But the P4P girls available in Isan (especially in the local brothels) are usually younger and a lot more attractive (on average) than in Pattaya, Bangkok, and other tourist destinations. To find the same quality in looks elsewhere in Thailand, a foreigner has to pay a lot more money than in Isan.

Alas, most of the time, the quality of service is not on par with what is proposed in Pattaya (and other tourist destinations). The local girls are not very experienced, at least, they are usually not used to service foreign customers. More often than not, they won't allow anything else than a covered fuck, missionary style (even doggy or cow girl positions are not offered by certain providers). It requires some time and investigation to find a decent provider if you favor performance over looks, or some time and patience to teach and train a not very experienced local girl. Some of them are willing to learn and will try new things with a reasonable incentive.

That's why I believe that the Isan scene (especially in Udon Thani) is not that bad, but it is certainly not for every monger.

About [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], you might be surprised, but all the Lao and Khmer (in other parts of Isan) girls that I've met so far in the local brothels went there voluntarily. Ok, maybe they are helping their family in debt to reimburse a loan, but they are free to leave and come back to their country when they want. I don't say that there is no [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], but according to my own experience, it's not as widespread as many people think.

I have on several occasions taken different girls from local brothels to go in a place of my choice instead of doing the deed on premises and that was always possible. They usually have their passport with them when they go out of their working place. I also have several phone numbers of girls who used to work in a brothel in Northeastern Thailand that are now back in their country and who would like me to contact them when I am near their home main city. It's not exactly what would do a victim of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], I suppose.

I've found the bar scene in Udon Thani - particularly the quality and age of girls - to be enormously improved lately, though its still not really my preference. That said, this scene also much much smaller than Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I've found the bar scene in Udon Thani. Particularly the quality and age of girls. To be enormously improved lately, though its still not really my preference. That said, this scene also much much smaller than Pattaya.[/QUOTE]there really isn't anything to compare. Pattaya has x million girls, or it at least feels like it. But living in Bangkok, it does little for me, as every time I am there I am constantly struck by the ratio of not in any way close to stunning girls to those who are, and always way to the negative. Pattaya may have cheaper prices, but that said, as someone who lives here and speaks decent Thai, I don't pay more than 1000 baht in Bangkok and have a very steady stream of excellent talent. Whereas for me, Udon is a breath of fresh air. The farang bars are not anything special, there aren't many girls, and not many stunners. But the Lao brothels are another story completely. There are certain houses where in my book, any of the ladies in there would be pulling 3-5000 baht a shot in Taniya Plaza or Rainbow or Baccara, yet in Udon they are available for 4-600 a go, with no bar fines, no drinks, no hassles. I assume if one lived in Udon, the mileage might get even better.

At any rate, Udon is a great spot to go spend a bit of time in, people are nice, food is good, hotels can be great value, and it makes for a very nice change from the overrun scene one often can find in Pattaya, Bangkok, or Phuket.

[QUOTE=Goyave]I don't think that there's a debate here and I don't really disagree with Opebo, as Udon Thani is certainly not a paradise for every monger.

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About [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], you might be surprised, but all the Lao and Khmer (in other parts of Isan) girls that I've met so far in the local brothels went there voluntarily. Ok, maybe they are helping their family in debt to reimburse a loan, but they are free to leave and come back to their country when they want. I don't say that there is no [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], but according to my own experience, it's not as widespread as many people think.

I have on several occasions taken different girls from local brothels to go in a place of my choice instead of doing the deed on premises and that was always possible. They usually have their passport with them when they go out of their working place. I also have several phone numbers of girls who used to work in a brothel in Northeastern Thailand that are now back in their country and who would like me to contact them when I am near their home main city. It's not exactly what would do a victim of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], I suppose.[/QUOTE]

It's a pleasure to hear that the girls r coming vouluntarily and most of them r legal.

[QUOTE=Oldian] But the Lao brothels are another story completely. There are certain houses where in my book, any of the ladies in there would be pulling 3-5000 baht a shot in Taniya Plaza or Rainbow or Baccara, yet in Udon they are available for 4-600 a go, with no bar fines, no drinks, no hassles. I assume if one lived in Udon, the mileage might get even better.

At any rate, Udon is a great spot to go spend a bit of time in, people are nice, food is good, hotels can be great value, and it makes for a very nice change from the overrun scene one often can find in Pattaya, Bangkok, or Phuket.[/QUOTE]


I will be there next month.Can you give me a recommendation of a good value, guest friendly hotel and how I can find the Lao brothels, please.

Thanks to all who posted info about Udon. Just spent a couple of days there as a sidetrip via Air Asia. Mongering wasn't the primary purpose, but nights were pretty much free, so I did some research based on previous postings. Noted places on Adulayet sois 2 & 7 and Soi Sai Faw Deng were still operating...look for barely opened doors and pink lighting inside. Or people eager to show you inside. They were starting at B400 for farangs, but could be talked down to B300 in latter case. Selection sometimes limited; 5+ would be a lot, and 1 or none not uncommon.

Further up the scale, the Banyan on Adulayet soi 7 wants B800 ST for biked-in girls (probably Lao) at their taxi rooms, even if you show up on foot without a tuk-tuk. B100 for room, 700 for lady, they said. Nicer rooms and more farang-oriented, though still a bit downscale. Maybe Thai people or those speaking more Thai than I do can get cheaper price.

Day & Night plaza still fine for a drink, though it looked like there were as many punters as girls on the 2 nights I went. The better lookers also might have semi-regular customers.

To pick up a bit on what others are saying, I think Udon Thani has a real potential niche. Bangkok is already basically ruined on budget mongering. Pattaya pricing is better, but the place is turning into a real monster with traffic and development, and there's still lots of "dumb" money from first-timers putting pressure on pricing (not to mention the occasional Navy shore leave). Something like 1 in 3 people who come to Thailand visit Pattaya on their trip.

Udon offers elbow room, few tourists and a good climate for maybe 3-4 months a year that roughly coincides with high season elsewhere. Costs are lower and there's just enough to do to stave off the terminal boredom found in other burgs.

So I think there's a case to be made for it becoming an alternative seasonal or even year-round base for those in the know.

[QUOTE=Spanish Main]I will be there next month.Can you give me a recommendation of a good value, guest friendly hotel and how I can find the Lao brothels, please.[/QUOTE]Top Mansion is good value at 370 baht a night, they are on the road with Day and Night and all the farang bars. Basically every hotel there is guest friendly. Lao brothels can be found on Adulyadej Road, soi 2, soi 7. Avoid overpaying.

[QUOTE=Oldian] Lao brothels can be found on Adulyadej Road, soi 2, soi 7. Avoid overpaying.[/QUOTE]
What is overpaying?

soi 7 asks 500-700 (depending on house)

soi 2 asks 400

soi fai dang 300

Are these prices right?

Did Top Mansion raise their prices? It was 350 till a few weeks ago.

The prices are as Amjeck lists, though in (actually just off) Soi 2 there is a higher end house which is 600. Slightly better looking girls, and better rooms - many rooms even have air-con and I've been told a few have hot water. It always seems to have a lot of customers.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Did Top Mansion raise their prices? It was 350 till a few weeks ago.
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I was quoted 370 I believe. I'll be there next month.

Does anybody know anything about Koh Chang?

[QUOTE=Ploughman]Thanks to all who posted info about Udon. Just spent a couple of days there as a sidetrip via Air Asia. Mongering wasn't the primary purpose, but nights were pretty much free, so I did some research based on previous postings...So I think there's a case to be made for it becoming an alternative seasonal or even year-round base for those in the know.[/QUOTE]Great report full of useful information. I think I might venture up that way soon!

[QUOTE=Spanish Main]Does anybody know anything about Koh Chang?[/QUOTE]I know it's not in Isaan!

You'll find some reports in the "Other Areas" section.

[QUOTE=Spanish Main]I will be there next month.Can you give me a recommendation of a good value, guest friendly hotel and how I can find the Lao brothels, please.[/QUOTE]
Best place I stayd in Udon was Irish Clock Pub, big clean room, everything you need inc free WiFi. Has a seperate 'guest' entrance with your own key and is just 50 yrds up the road from D&N Plaza.
Paid 850 Thb a night inc 120 baht worth of the best full English in town.

Reviews on Tripadvisor say it all.

Enjoy, FF

[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]Best place I stayd in Udon was Irish Clock Pub, big clean room, everything you need inc free WiFi. Has a seperate 'guest' entrance with your own key and is just 50 yrds up the road from D&N Plaza.
Paid 850 Thb a night inc 120 baht worth of the best full English in town.

Reviews on Tripadvisor say it all.

Enjoy, FF[/QUOTE]


I like the separate guest entrance.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]What is overpaying?

soi 7 asks 500-700 (depending on house)

soi 2 asks 400

soi fai dang 300

Are these prices right?[/QUOTE]I haven't been to soi 7 in recent times, but other postings make it sound like that is a bit steep for there. Soi 2 and fai daeng are correct.

[QUOTE=Rtpman]I was quoted 370 I believe. I'll be there next month.[/QUOTE]I just went to 370 a few weeks ago.

Still pretty great value given its location and amenities.

[QUOTE=Oldian]I just went to 370 a few weeks ago.

Still pretty great value given its location and amenities.[/QUOTE]

It was 310 when I first stayed there years ago. Not to mention that was at about 38 baht to the dollar.

I will be checking in on this Friday. ANyone want to meet up....pm me.
First time to Udon Thani for me. thanks

I made arrangements to meet a DIA lady in UT. She showed up a little late tonight with her girlfriend who drove her own car. Both ladies were attractive, personable, about 40 (24 years my junior) and apparently self sufficient women. They drove me to a local upscale Thai restaurant filled with locals and a 5 piece band. Total cost with drinks about 540 bhat or $17. Afterwards they drove me around a little and dropped me off at the Irish Clock. They're picking me up tomorrow at 10am to visit Nong Khai on the Mekong river. This was their idea and I like it a lot because I had read what a sweet little city NK is. We'll sightsee and have some food up there and return to UT in the afternoon or evening. The lady who owns the car seems more interested in me than my DIA correspondent. If she's the only one to show up tomorrow, I wont be surprised or disappointed.

After they dropped me off, I went across the street, paid a 300 bhat bar fine and had short time in my hotel with a nice little number for 700. I could get used to this routine. By the way, the city had a noticible military and police presence at certain points in the city in preparation for the Bangkok Court decision. Another report on tomorrow will follow.

[QUOTE=Xdentx]I made arrangements to meet a DIA lady in UT. She showed up a little late tonight with her girlfriend who drove her own car. Both ladies were attractive, personable, about 40 (24 years my junior) and apparently self sufficient women. They drove me to a local upscale Thai restaurant filled with locals and a 5 piece band. Total cost with drinks about 540 bhat or $17. Afterwards they drove me around a little and dropped me off at the Irish Clock. They're picking me up tomorrow at 10am to visit Nong Khai on the Mekong river. This was their idea and I like it a lot because I had read what a sweet little city NK is. We'll sightsee and have some food up there and return to UT in the afternoon or evening. The lady who owns the car seems more interested in me than my DIA correspondent. If she's the only one to show up tomorrow, I wont be surprised or disappointed.

After they dropped me off, I went across the street, paid a 300 bhat bar fine and had short time in my hotel with a nice little number for 700. I could get used to this routine. By the way, the city had a noticible military and police presence at certain points in the city in preparation for the Bangkok Court decision. Another report on tomorrow will follow.[/QUOTE]
Udon is a great, if a little laid back place. There is plenty of action if you know where to go. Enjoy the scenic drive and NK, the river is interesting and you must do the lunch of Vietnemese Rolls at Duangs Restaurant on the bank.
Enjoy the ladies and the fun. Irish Clock my choice too, hope to get back up there next month.
Cheers, FF

The two ladies and a 9 yr. old son picked me up as promised promptly at 10am for our trip to Nong Khai. The vibe was nice...an adventure for the full day was in front of me. The kid was fun and we practiced English on the way up. Had a nice look around the river area in the market, ate a good lunch on a floating restaurant on the Mekong River, and generally had a very mellow pleasant time of it. Lots of picture taking. On the way home we stopped at a place where there were lots of old statues...quite large and elaborate. I forget the name of the place. Gas costs 500, lunch 700, incidentals about 300. Really no problem for me. Well worth the expense to not be wandering around UT on foot with no clue what to do with my time.

Got back to Irish Clock around 4:30 and begged off a group dinner that night. I was equally attracted to both ladies and wanted some one-on-one time with either one of them. How to do? They suggested we could tour the nearby world heritage archeological site on Sunday. They also offered to drive me to Nong Khai on Monday for my transfer to Laos.

Had a so-so oily massage after they left and before dinner near the Irish Clock. The lady was eager to provide bj, but I wanted to save my ammo for later in the evening. Let her practice a little on me and she gave an assisted shower afterwards...350 bhat. bbbj seem to be no problem in this area so far.

Finally texted my DIA friend that I would like to see her that night for dancing somewhere...one on one time. She showed up at my place on a moto with her "sister"...an elderly unattractive lady and my hopes for the evening vanished. We went to a bar, ordered small amount of food and some drinks. By now my mood was beginning to sour. My DIA friend disappeared to make a call for a good 5 to 10 minutes while I paid for the food and drinks. I got up and left for home. Ran into DIA lady on the way out and explained I wasn't feeling well...needed to sleep...and no touring tomorrow. Frankly I was feeling pissed. She seemed surprised but I didn't stick around to talk.

Went back to the Irish Clock...put in time on my pictures...sent an email to the DIA's friend that my short evening with her friend did not go well and I was available. (Didn't have her phone number) LOL The DIA gal showed up at my room but I ignored her repeated knocks. She later texted me I was a good man..she was sorry...can we talk. No thanks. I phoned another DIA contact to set up something for Sunday evening. I will keep trying as I like the chase and can always take a bar girl as plan B.

Went out and found a lovely 26 y.o. bar lady. 300 to the house and 1000 to her for short time in my room. Assisted shower again. Nice bj and sex with her lingering on watching music videos on tv. Thinking of taking her to Laos, but communication is not good in English.

All in all I'm grateful for the day time experience...well worth the expense. The evening was a disapointment. I'll chalk it up to language and cultural differences and the fact that the DIA gal was ??? who knows.

In the morning my DIA gal texts she still wants to tour. I reply I'd like her friends phone number. LOL will see what happens now. hahaha
Hours later she gave me the number. However, I already have another prospect lined up to meet at 4. She driving in from 30 km outside UT.

to be continued.

[QUOTE=Xdentx]

All in all I'm grateful for the day time experience...well worth the expense. The evening was a disapointment. I'll chalk it up to language and cultural differences and the fact that the DIA gal was ??? who knows.

In the morning my DIA gal texts she still wants to tour. I reply I'd like her friends phone number. LOL will see what happens now. hahaha
Hours later she gave me the number. However, I already have another prospect lined up to meet at 4. She driving in from 30 km outside UT.

to be continued.[/QUOTE]

A great adventure - I am looking forward to the next instalment...

[QUOTE=Oldian]I haven't been to soi 7 in recent times, but other postings make it sound like that is a bit steep for there. Soi 2 and fai daeng are correct.[/QUOTE]
Opebo confirms those prices are correct. Can we get some more feedback as to what prices are on soi 7?

My next DIA lady showed up at the Irish Clock promptly at 4 as promised. This is a woman I first texted a good 2 months ago. Her original reply to me was very articulate, expressing a desire to know more about me before meeting. Unfortunately, all the rest of her mails were this: Hello!! I Miiss you. I wait to meet you and i want to meet you so much I will together with you Take care.

I quickly tired of trying to communicate, but she would periodically resend her notes. I'd had the forsight to get her number because she had sent family photos that showed a beautiful 36 yo woman.

She arrived carrying her Thai/English dictionary, nicely dressed, and very attractive indeed. Conversation was extremely difficult and I found myself wondering how to extracate myself from the situation. As she drank her orange juice and I my coke, I slowly learned over the first 30 minutes that she had taken a bus 30 km into Udon Thani from her farm and then a short tuktuk ride to the hotel. I cheered up when she told me the last bus out was at 7pm...about 90 minutes away by now. Still time to line up other companionship. I also explained I was leaving in the morning for Vientiane. Found myself wondering why a "serious" woman would entertain a 2-3 hour meeting with a stranger when the stranger would be disappearing the next day.

Anyway, long story short, we went to my room and in a very slow way managed to work up some chemistry. She was willing, but not particularly experienced or proactive, so I took the lead. When we finished, we discovered blood on the sheets and she appologized repeatedly...her period had come earlier than expected. Indeed she showed me her white panties, which were spotless. We showered individually and I took her back to the bus depot with perfect timing for the last bus out of town for the night.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why a woman would entertain a liason like this. I didn't offer money and I'm quite sure it wasn't expected. See my Chiang Mai post about what happens when you offer money to a non-pro. I did slip her 100 bhat for the bus (30 each way plus tuktuk). The whole affair left me feeling a little empty. Not sure who to be most sad for. At 64 my passion for these encounters is waining.

Next installment under the Vientiane section.

[QUOTE=Xdentx]For the life of me, I can't figure out why a woman would entertain a liason like this. I didn't offer money and I'm quite sure it wasn't expected.[/QUOTE]

You have to remember, Xdentx, that a 36 year old woman has almost no access to sex in Thailand - Thai men would consider her very, very old, and not be interested at all. On top of this she lives in some very small town or village, where all eyes are upon her, so even if she could find a willing partner she could not get away with the affair without quite a bit of stigma.

She may have some hopes of some sort of reward with you down the road, but it is more likely that her behaviour just reflects the desperate loneliness and stultifying social environment of the typical middle aged Thai woman.

[QUOTE=Opebo]You have to remember, Xdentx, that a 36 year old woman has almost no access to sex in Thailand - Thai men would consider her very, very old, and not be interested at all. On top of this she lives in some very small town or village, where all eyes are upon her, so even if she could find a willing partner she could not get away with the affair without quite a bit of stigma.

She may have some hopes of some sort of reward with you down the road, but it is more likely that her behaviour just reflects the desperate loneliness and stultifying social environment of the typical middle aged Thai woman.[/QUOTE]


A single woman in a village in the UK or US or Spain or anywhere has the same problem.

[QUOTE=Opebo]

She may have some hopes of some sort of reward with you down the road, but it is more likely that her behaviour just reflects the desperate loneliness and stultifying social environment of the typical middle aged Thai woman.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the comments. I suspect your perspective is right on.

I made this trip yesterday after doing research and wanted to share details for anyone considering this route. Take a tuktuk to the north bus station in UT where the buses depart to Nong Khai. There's more than one bus station in UT, so tell the tuktuk driver your final destination. I caught the bus as it was pulling out and they put my 20 kg suitcase in the luggage compartment below. I was the only caucasion guy on the bus and it turned out to not be an express. Cost 45 bhat (payable on board no problem) and took 54 minutes to the Nong Khai bus station. I was happy.

Here it gets tricky. You have to catch a tuktuk from the bus station to the Thai immigration station at the start of the bridge (100 bhat and definitely too much). Your driver will want to hand you off to another company that furnishes transport and your visa combined for $60 US. He undoubtedly gets a nice comission if he pulls this off. Even though I told him no, he stopped at a strip mall where this organization sets up camp. I just laughed when they quoted $60 for their services.

When your tuktuk drops you off at the bridge you walk about 200 feet in a pedestrian lane to the Thai immigration. Give them your passport and they'll remove your Thai entry form. Line took 3 minutes. After passing through Thai immigration you fill out two forms for Laos immigration, give them a passport photo, and pay $35 US. Newer bills prefered, but change is given back if you give them $40. (Ignore the taxi touts that you encounter even before Laos boarder control). Then 3-4 minutes to pass through passport control where the Laos stamp your passport. Next a 2 minute wait for a 20 bhat bus ride across the bridge. Baggage no problem. Upon arrival on the Laos side, you'll have to hire a tuktuk (I paid 200 bhat) for transport to your Vientiane hotel(unless you can figure out the bus situation which would take longer but be cheaper.) My tuktuk driver took on and dropped off 6 passangers along the way, so specify if you expect express service. My driver also couldn't find my Lao Orchid Hotel...even with a phone number and street address. We spent a lot of time asking directions...he was clueless. Total elapsed time 3 hr 20 minutes. Now in the hotel and very happy to be here. Looks like a sweet city.

[QUOTE=Xdentx]Upon arrival on the Laos side, you'll have to hire a tuktuk (I paid 200 bhat) for transport to your Vientiane hotel(unless you can figure out the bus situation which would take longer but be cheaper.) [/QUOTE]
The bus situation is very easy to figure out. Looking to your right when coming out of the Lao border checkpoint you can see 2-3 "minimarts"/noodle shops and in front of them a very recognizable bus stop. Never waited long for the bus. Fare is 20 bahts if I remember right and possibly much cheaper if you already have Lao kips.

[QUOTE=Xdentx]Looks like a sweet city.[/QUOTE]
Sweet yes. Gets extremely boring very quickly though.

[QUOTE=Mart Cham]Sweet yes. Gets extremely boring very quickly though.[/QUOTE]Vientiane used to have real character but I'd have to agree. Now it feels like the more boring sort of provincial Thai city, except with a lot more tourists. The best you can say for the place is that the Western food is great. But it's nothing special for our hobby.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Opebo confirms those prices are correct. Can we get some more feedback as to what prices are on soi 7?[/QUOTE]


It used to be 600 baht, then 700 baht, and recently, a friend of mine who went there alone was quoted 800 baht (room included). But he was a new customer in this area, so, regular and long-time customers might pay a bit less there. I haven't been there for more than one year, because I favor other places in Udon Thani (cheaper brothels from Soi Fai Deng or Adunyadej Soi 2, for instance). Granted, the ST rooms are a lot nicer in this area, but (IMHO), that's all, as the quality of the providers (looks and service) is not much better on average than in the cheaper brothels.

[QUOTE=Betong]Vientiane used to have real character but I'd have to agree. Now it feels like the more boring sort of provincial Thai city, except with a lot more tourists. The best you can say for the place is that the Western food is great. But it's nothing special for our hobby.[/QUOTE]

And Lao beer is cheap. But almost everything (local food, accommodation, girls, etc.) is about (at least) 50% more expensive than in Northeastern Thailand, for a comparable quality. French food and wines are often a lot less expensive in Vientiane though.

[QUOTE=Xdentx]I made this trip yesterday after doing research and wanted to share details for anyone considering this route. Take a tuktuk to the north bus station in UT where the buses depart to Nong Khai. There's more than one bus station in UT, so tell the tuktuk driver your final destination. I caught the bus as it was pulling out and they put my 20 kg suitcase in the luggage compartment below. I was the only caucasion guy on the bus and it turned out to not be an express. Cost 45 bhat (payable on board no problem) and took 54 minutes to the Nong Khai bus station. I was happy.

Here it gets tricky. You have to catch a tuktuk from the bus station to the Thai immigration station at the start of the bridge (100 bhat and definitely too much). Your driver will want to hand you off to another company that furnishes transport and your visa combined for $60 US. He undoubtedly gets a nice comission if he pulls this off. Even though I told him no, he stopped at a strip mall where this organization sets up camp. I just laughed when they quoted $60 for their services.

When your tuktuk drops you off at the bridge you walk about 200 feet in a pedestrian lane to the Thai immigration. Give them your passport and they'll remove your Thai entry form. Line took 3 minutes. After passing through Thai immigration you fill out two forms for Laos immigration, give them a passport photo, and pay $35 US. Newer bills prefered, but change is given back if you give them $40. (Ignore the taxi touts that you encounter even before Laos boarder control). Then 3-4 minutes to pass through passport control where the Laos stamp your passport. Next a 2 minute wait for a 20 bhat bus ride across the bridge. Baggage no problem. Upon arrival on the Laos side, you'll have to hire a tuktuk (I paid 200 bhat) for transport to your Vientiane hotel(unless you can figure out the bus situation which would take longer but be cheaper.) My tuktuk driver took on and dropped off 6 passangers along the way, so specify if you expect express service. My driver also couldn't find my Lao Orchid Hotel...even with a phone number and street address. We spent a lot of time asking directions...he was clueless. Total elapsed time 3 hr 20 minutes. Now in the hotel and very happy to be here. Looks like a sweet city.[/QUOTE]
Why not make it easy on yourself - take the international bus from the bus station in Udon Thani direct to the Morning Market bus station in Vientiane. And it goes the other direction too. The bus stops at the Thai side of the bridge and waits for you to process your exit and waits again at the Lao side for you to deal with immigration issues. THen you head for Vientiane.

This bus leaves Udon about 4 or 5 times a day and is a few hundred baht one way.

I had read that you needed your Laos visa prior to taking the bus from Udon Thani to Vientiane. If that's not necessary, then that would be the method of choice. I will take that bus from Vientiane back to Udon Thani today for sure.

Thanks

I flew into Udon Thani on a small turbo prop plane operated by Nok Air. At the airport they bus you out to the plane in 9 passenger Toyota vans. It's the type of plane that seats 2 on one side and 1 on the other. They asked for a volunteer for the jump seat in the cockpit, but I was too slow to get my hand up. That would have been interesting to fly in the cockpit. Pilots seemed British or Aussies.

Checked into the Irish Clock and thought the set up looked OK. A lot of British congregate here. The place serves both English and Thai food and they do a booming dinner business. I tried a couple of Thai dishes and they were just OK. The clientel is 90% white foreign guys. I never saw a free lancer in the place during my 3 nights there. I certainly wouldn't consider it a pick up place and there are no bar girls to take out.

My room was on the first floor and there is no lift. They have 2 floors of accommodations above the bar. Was not noisy at night. Air con is fine, bed good. The owner showed me to my room and set up my computer connection on the spot which I appreciated. It turned out to be a poor internet connection. There were tiny ants all over my laptop after the first hour of use. I didn't notice any in the bed fortunately. They do have a good laundry service. The location is surrounded by bars with a lack of interesting talent. It certainly doesn't compare to the row of bars in Chiang Mai near the Raming Lodge. I did bring one lady home for st. Bar fine was 400 and her fee was 700. BBBJ no problem. Another night and bar it was 300 bar fine and 1000 short time.

I did pay a tuktuk to take me around to soi 2 and 7 late one night, but the area looked too sketchy for my tastes and I didn't stick around long. The girls looked young as well. One mammasan drug me into her shack and when someone closed the door behind us, I got way too nervous. LOL

By the way, total tab at Irish Clock including laundry was 2800 bhat. Cheaper than what I'm used to paying.

[QUOTE=Xdentx]I had read that you needed your Laos visa prior to taking the bus from Udon Thani to Vientiane. If that's not necessary, then that would be the method of choice. I will take that bus from Vientiane back to Udon Thani today for sure.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

You are right, the Lao visa is needed to take this bus and that's why it is not an option unless you got your visa in BKK.
It's a great option for the return trip though.
Schedule of international bus to Udon from Vientiane attached.

[QUOTE=Goyave]And Lao beer is cheap. But almost everything (local food, accommodation, girls, etc.) is about (at least) 50% more expensive than in Northeastern Thailand, for a comparable quality. French food and wines are often a lot less expensive in Vientiane though.[/QUOTE]

Beer is great and decently priced, agreed.

French wine is a lot less expensive than in Thailand, agreed.

French food is not cheaper than in Pattaya for example and I do not find it is worth the price charged. The "French-Vietnamese" baguette-sandwiches are great though...

I took the bus from the morning market in Vientiane to Udon Thani as others have recommended. People at the bus station were very helpful in pointing out the ticket office and I enjoyed chatting with some English students while waiting for my bus. It is now up to 90 bhat and worth every bhat. Great convienent way to get to Udon Thani. The bus is permanently marked on the side with the Udon Thani-Vientiane logo so it's easy to be sure you're getting on the right one. Of course they check your ticket etc before you board. Pretty stress free. By the way,, the seats are assigned, sono need to line up for a "good" seat in front. I think there are about 6 departures each day. I caught the 10:30 and it actually left on time.

[QUOTE=Mart Cham]You are right, the Lao visa is needed to take this bus and that's why it is not an option unless you got your visa in BKK.
It's a great option for the return trip though.
Schedule of international bus to Udon from Vientiane attached.[/QUOTE]
It is news to me that the Lao visa is required to take this bus (Udon to Vientiane) and this may be a recent change. I have taken this bus twice in both directions and both times coming from Udon they waited for me to get my visa on arrival - but that was about 6 months ago and I guess that things change.

[QUOTE=Simian]It is news to me that the Lao visa is required to take this bus (Udon to Vientiane) and this may be a recent change. I have taken this bus twice in both directions and both times coming from Udon they waited for me to get my visa on arrival - but that was about 6 months ago and I guess that things change.[/QUOTE]

I have never tried without a visa but have read everywhere that the bus would not wait long enough for you to get a visa on arrival. And indeed I found the visa on arrival process in Laos to be quite time consuming almost every time. When I took the int. bus from Vientiane to Udon, it never seemed to wait that long at the checkpoint. Furthermore, the lady who was selling the ticket in Vientiane asked me to show her my passport last time and I assumed this was to check that I had, indeed, a visa already. I can't remember if they had done this on previous trips.

[QUOTE=Xdentx]I flew into Udon Thani on a small turbo prop plane operated by Nok Air. At the airport they bus you out to the plane in 9 passenger Toyota vans. It's the type of plane that seats 2 on one side and 1 on the other. They asked for a volunteer for the jump seat in the cockpit, but I was too slow to get my hand up. That would have been interesting to fly in the cockpit. Pilots seemed British or Aussies.

Checked into the Irish Clock and thought the set up looked OK. A lot of British congregate here. The place serves both English and Thai food and they do a booming dinner business. I tried a couple of Thai dishes and they were just OK. The clientel is 90% white foreign guys. I never saw a free lancer in the place during my 3 nights there. I certainly wouldn't consider it a pick up place and there are no bar girls to take out.

My room was on the first floor and there is no lift. They have 2 floors of accommodations above the bar. Was not noisy at night. Air con is fine, bed good. The owner showed me to my room and set up my computer connection on the spot which I appreciated. It turned out to be a poor internet connection. There were tiny ants all over my laptop after the first hour of use. I didn't notice any in the bed fortunately. They do have a good laundry service. The location is surrounded by bars with a lack of interesting talent. It certainly doesn't compare to the row of bars in Chiang Mai near the Raming Lodge. I did bring one lady home for st. Bar fine was 400 and her fee was 700. BBBJ no problem. Another night and bar it was 300 bar fine and 1000 short time.

I did pay a tuktuk to take me around to soi 2 and 7 late one night, but the area looked too sketchy for my tastes and I didn't stick around long. The girls looked young as well. One mammasan drug me into her shack and when someone closed the door behind us, I got way too nervous. LOL

By the way, total tab at Irish Clock including laundry was 2800 bhat. Cheaper than what I'm used to paying.[/QUOTE]Hey when you bring lady back to your room did you have to take her through the main bar for all to C. All is there a side door?

There is indeed a separate side door which allows you to bypass the restaurant bar scene.

I'm now in Koh Samui and like it here so much that I wish I hadn't put any time into Udon Thani. I did UT mainly to access Vientiane overland, rather than paying the high flight costs into Laos.

[QUOTE=Xdentx]I'm now in Koh Samui and like it here so much that I wish I hadn't put any time into Udon Thani. I did UT mainly to access Vientiane overland, rather than paying the high flight costs into Laos.[/QUOTE]Hey so how was Vientiane?

Is there a lot of ladys there for S/T all L/T?

And how much?

[QUOTE=Hotshanehot]Hey so how was Vientiane?

Is there a lot of ladys there for S/T all L/T?

And how much?[/QUOTE]


I believe long time is available for 2000 bhat, as a lady agreed to that after some haggling at Club Anou. I do not know if a bar fine was involved there because I got irritated and didn't take her. See my report under Vientiane. I had short time out of the four story walk up club on the riverside...but did not mention it. ST was 1000 bhat. Freelancer place with no bar fine and perhaps the best sex of my one month trip so far. Perhaps will post under Vientiane. HOwever, the streets totally empty out at midnight. I don't remember any lady bar scene at all, as it's illegal for Laos and non Laos to have sex.

[QUOTE=Xdentx] HOwever, the streets totally empty out at midnight. I don't remember any lady bar scene at all, as it's illegal for Laos and non Laos to have sex.[/QUOTE]
But some bars and clubs remain open well after midnight, some until late (club on roof of big hotel on the banks of the Mekhong for example). 1000 bahts LT no problem at all with freelancers.

I'm planning on being in Nong Khai in a few months. Anyone know is Mut Mee Guest House is gf?

Fred

[QUOTE=Fred Gold]I'm planning on being in Nong Khai in a few months. Anyone know is Mut Mee Guest House is gf?

thx Fred[/QUOTE]

I'd just ask and if they don't give you a direct yes answer, assume they are not.

[QUOTE=Fred Gold]I'm planning on being in Nong Khai in a few months. Anyone know is Mut Mee Guest House is gf?

thx Fred[/QUOTE]

According to the following report, it is not: [post]994290[/post]

But as suggested previously, you should send them an e-mail and politely ask them whether or not they charge a joiner fee if a "guest" comes and stays with you overnight at this place.

[QUOTE=Goyave]According to the following report, it is not: [post]994290[/post]

But as suggested previously, you should send them an e-mail and politely ask them whether or not they charge a joiner fee if a "guest" comes and stays with you overnight at this place.[/QUOTE]Is it EVER a problem if at time of check in you just tell them it will be a room for two people? I've gone numerous places with girlfriends in the past, and just checked in that way. So what if she's not with you when you check in?

Of course, if would be funny if they asked you to write down her name on the registration, and somebody put "To Be Determined."

[QUOTE=Bella Oxmyx]Is it EVER a problem if at time of check in you just tell them it will be a room for two people? I've gone numerous places with girlfriends in the past, and just checked in that way. So what if she's not with you when you check in?

Of course, if would be funny if they asked you to write down her name on the registration, and somebody put "To Be Determined."[/QUOTE]

When I plan to stay at a new place, I always try to figure out beforehand (by sending an e-mail, for instance), whether or not it is girl friendly.

But you probably can also book a room for two persons, and just mention one of those very common nicknames (Noy, Nok, Fon, Lek, Nid, etc.) if the name of your companion is requested! It should do the trick in Thailand, as almost nobody uses his or her real fullname in most cases of his or her everyday life!

I thought I'd post my impressions and observations of Udon Thani.

I arrived early in the week and booked a room at the Top Mansion hotel. It's very basic, but heck for the price, 370bhat, it is fine. After being in Bangkok, Udon is of course more laid-back but not nearly as expensive.

I find it very easy to get around. Most of the places I want to go are within walking distance but a tuk tuk ride comes in handy on the longer treks.

I found the Irish clock to be a good place to eat with good food, beer and service. After being there a couple of times I decided to try New York. Likewise, if you are an American they have a nice breakfast spread. Enjoyed hanging out there over a few beers.

First day or so the heat was what I expected. Weather took a nice turn and it was actually cool on Tuesday night. It has stayed comfortable Wednesday and Thursday.

Girls - Like I said it is more laid-back here. The day before I came to Udon, I'd been at one of the beer-bars in Bangkok.. I don't think I had taken my first drink of beer before one lady had unzipped my pants and asking me for a lady drink. The first bar I went to G-spot, I drank a beer and chatted-up a girl there and was never asked for a lady drink. I realize that isn't necessarily the norm as one of the other places I went too I was asked for a Lady drink by the time I drank half my beer. I enjoy the beer-bar scene, but decided to try the brothels.

Soi 7. What can I say, I didn't really feel welcome or comfortable. No one approached me and I didn't see anything I couldn't pass up.

Soi 2. When I saw it at night I didn't feel comfortable walking down it until I knew the layout. I went the next day near dusk and checked out about four of the houses. I'll have to agree that I was a little nervous but the girls seemed nice enough. However, I had one more mission.

Vietnamese brothels - I had heard there was also a row of vietnamese brothels and decided to check that out as well. I haven't noticed it posted here so thought I'd pass it on. Turn left on Wattana Nuwong rd from Soi Samphan Thamit. Go past the two traffic lights. You will see a large communications tower on the right side of the street. Looking to the left there will be a small road. I didn't see a street sign. I counted either three or four houses with some pretty girls. Nice part is they are open for business in the early afternoon. I decided to try one of them out. I figured I'd be charged 400 bhat but when I asked, the papason said 300. Hey, that works for me. The girl took me back to a small room.. and I do mean small. The girl was friendly which helped to relax me. The only bad part about brothels like this is it pretty much a boom-boom. I've been a monger long enough that just having a naked girl with no foreplay makes for a tough situation. She slid the raincoat on and motioned for me to do the deed. If only I was 18 years old again! After a moment or two I was hard enough to do her and not embarrass myself.

I'll be back to sample more at both the brothel locations this week.

Question: Sorry if I missed this in searching the posts... do the girls in the bars do short-time or only all night LT? I am sleeping poor enough as it is without sleeping with one eye open with a girl in the room?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Rtpman]Vietnamese brothels - I had heard there was also a row of vietnamese brothels and decided to check that out as well.[/QUOTE]

Lao, without exception. Ditto in Soi 7 and soi 2.

[QUOTE=Rtpman]Question: Sorry if I missed this in searching the posts... do the girls in the bars do short-time or only all night LT?[/QUOTE]

She'll leave when you ask her to, but I doubt she'll lower her price for ST. The girls in soi 2 and soi 7 can come to your hotel for ST, should be about 700. At Udon Hotel a bellboy organized it for me.

[QUOTE=Rtpman]... Vietnamese brothels - I had heard there was also a row of vietnamese brothels and decided to check that out as well. I haven't noticed it posted here so thought I'd pass it on. Turn left on Wattana Nuwong rd from Soi Samphan Thamit. Go past the two traffic lights. You will see a large communications tower on the right side of the street. Looking to the left there will be a small road. I didn't see a street sign. I counted either three or four houses with some pretty girls. Nice part is they are open for business in the early afternoon. I decided to try one of them out. I figured I'd be charged 400 bhat but when I asked, the papason said 300...[/QUOTE]

Those are actually the Lao brothels of Soi Fai Deng, and they are already mentioned several times in this thread by several members (I even posted a map here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=122273[/url]).

A few previous reports mentioning this Soi:
[post]803177[/post]
[post]929306[/post]
[post]981723[/post]

There is a lot more than 3 or 4 brothels in this soi, and, yes, the current price is still 300 baht for a ST session (one shot or about 30-45 min.) with a cute Lao girl (500 baht for a longer session: 60-90 min. or two shots) on premises.

It is possible, at least for regular customers, to pick up girls from the Lao brothels in Udon Thani to do the deed at your hotel or own place if you live in the area. I've done that several times in the past and was charged 600-800 baht (depending on the place) for a two-hour session. Alas, these houses usually charge a lot more if you want to keep one of their girls with you overnight.

[QUOTE=Goyave]Those are actually the Lao brothels of Soi Fai Deng [/QUOTE]

Yes, I realized after reporting that this must be the case.

I did hear that ther is three new young babes in the Jungle bar.

If aney one in nongkhai now love to hear about it.

I am not back ther to July.

I will report back then.

[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=803177[/url]

Everything still similar to this post?

Be there for a few days next week if any mongers about.

[QUOTE=Siam Bluebird][url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=803177[/url]

Everything still similar to this post?

Be there for a few days next week if any mongers about.[/QUOTE]

Yes, everything is pretty similar to what I wrote then. In Udon Thani, the less known brothel on Prajak road now opens later than in the past (better to check this place at around 10pm nowadays) and the girls available there are also less numerous and often less attractive on average than they used to be.

In the meanwhile, the quality has improved in the brothels located in Soi Fai Deng, and the prices are still the same (300 baht for a ST session on premises): it's the best value in Udon Thani in my humble opinion. I've seen more and more Farang customers in this area in the recent weeks.

Nong Khai brothels were great in the past, now most of them are not. This town is worth a visit only if you have to go there for some other reasons (tourism or visa run, for instance) than mongering. Fun can be had, but girls available in most of the Nong Khai brothels are older, less numerous and much less attractive than what was available there just two years ago.

[QUOTE=Hotshanehot]I did hear that ther is three new young babes in the Jungle bar.

If aney one in nongkhai now love to hear about it.

I am not back ther to July.

I will report back then.[/QUOTE]This post reminds me of the last time I was in Nongkhai. I tried to find it with the vague information I had read here before. The tuk tuk driver said "yes" when I asked if he knew where this place was. But he didn't know. He stopped and asked directions from numerous people (mostly from other bars), and drove all around to different areas. Every time, the name "Jungle Bar" drew complete blanks on peoples faces. Nobody had seemed to have ever heard of it before. Finally the driver gave up, and tried to hijack me for 150 baht for a ride he originally quoted as costing 50 baht. I gave him 50 baht and he complained that he drove me all over looking for this place (in reality, we probably spent 15 minutes and covered about all of the different bar areas I know of in Nongkhai.) The driver was really holding out for 150 baht, and I just asked him "Why did you tell me you knew where this place was, and tell me 50 baht to go there, when I asked you before getting in the tuk tuk? "

I have to wonder if Jungle Bar really exists in Nongkhai? If anybody knows that it does, please post a specific location. I have a visa run to Vientienne coming up in another week or so!

[QUOTE=Bella Oxmyx]... I have to wonder if Jungle Bar really exists in Nongkhai? If anybody knows that it does, please post a specific location...[/QUOTE]


[url]http://www.nongkhaimap.com/nongkhaiforum/jungle-bar-nong-khai-t13909.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Bella Oxmyx]This post reminds me of the last time I was in Nongkhai. I tried to find it with the vague information I had read here before. The tuk tuk driver said "yes" when I asked if he knew where this place was. But he didn't know. He stopped and asked directions from numerous people (mostly from other bars), and drove all around to different areas. Every time, the name "Jungle Bar" drew complete blanks on peoples faces. Nobody had seemed to have ever heard of it before. Finally the driver gave up, and tried to hijack me for 150 baht for a ride he originally quoted as costing 50 baht. I gave him 50 baht and he complained that he drove me all over looking for this place (in reality, we probably spent 15 minutes and covered about all of the different bar areas I know of in Nongkhai.) The driver was really holding out for 150 baht, and I just asked him "Why did you tell me you knew where this place was, and tell me 50 baht to go there, when I asked you before getting in the tuk tuk? "

I have to wonder if Jungle Bar really exists in Nongkhai? If anybody knows that it does, please post a specific location. I have a visa run to Vientienne coming up in another week or so![/QUOTE]I will take you about 1min to look it up.

Did you read my report on the 1-30-10 I think on page 6?

Get a map you will find it. Look for beer belly billy's it is on the map

Have fun.

I did see them pic from Goyava yes that is it. Good to see someone has been ther.

Okay, I have a general idea where it is.

I think the tuk tuk driver did not go far enough last time.

I should be up that way sometime next week. I'll try to add some more specifics after going there.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Bella Oxmyx]Okay, I have a general idea where it is.

I think the tuk tuk driver did not go far enough last time.

I should be up that way sometime next week. I'll try to add some more specifics after going there.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Hey go to beer belly billy's it is back 2 shop's he will show you ok

That is how I did find it.

Any advice about the best places on Khorat. Before some years it was an attractive city for mongering. Where is is it most easy to find bars or freelancers?

Thanks folks

I had to go to Nong Khai a few days ago. I visited the local brothels that were already open in the early afternoon, but the situation was then not much better than on my previous visits this year.

I don't understand why the quality is now so low in the local brothels in Nong Khai, especially compared with the same kind of venues in Udon Thani. Anyway, I managed to find one (and only one) attractive enough provider, but service was not on par with her decent looks, alas.

More info about her in the photo gallery: [post]1014862[/post]

Opebo, goyave,

Have you been to Buriram lately?

Anything remarkable there?

[QUOTE=Acunaway]Opebo, goyave,

Have you been to Buriram lately?

Anything remarkable there?[/QUOTE]

I was in Surin a few months ago, but did not make a stop at Buriram, sorry. In Surin, I visited a karaoke joint with a friend, but it was a waste of time and money (as often in this kind of place). Cute girls there, but in the end, it was (allegedly) this "special period of the month" for both girls (mine and my friend's)! Yeah, sure!

We've had better luck later in a small cheap brothel located very near the railway station. We saw only three girls there. One real cutie (in her early twenties) and two older girls (in their late twenties or early thirties). I let my friend go with the cutie and I chose the less ugly one among the two older girls. It was a cheap (500 baht each including tips) but very satisfying session for both of us (my girl did everything I wanted then, including anal).

[QUOTE=Goyave]I was in Surin a few months ago,
We've had better luck later in a small cheap brothel located very near the railway station. .[/QUOTE]

I know the railway Station area very well, but have never come across a brothel there.

Can you please give some detailed directions

Thanks

[QUOTE=Bumholes1]I know the railway Station area very well, but have never come across a brothel there.

Can you please give some detailed directions

Thanks[/QUOTE]


Actually, we first found one of the girls who was looking for customers at the railway station, on the far left side of the first station platform. Then, we followed her to reach the road that is located on the other side of the railway tracks at about 50-70 meters north from the platform (we had to carefully walk over the tracks, but there was no traffic then). The brothel is just one of the first little "houses" on this road (looking at a map of Surin, I think that the name of this road is Thanon Damrong Rak).

I attached a map to this report, but the location of the brothel on it is very approximate. I would easily find it if I were back again physically in this area, but I am not 100% sure to place it correctly on a map several months later.

[QUOTE=Goyave]Actually, we first found one of the girls who was looking for customers at the railway station, on the far left side of the first station platform. Then, we followed her to reach the road that is located on the other side of the railway tracks at about 50-70 meters north from the platform (we had to carefully walk over the tracks, but there was no traffic then). The brothel is just one of the first little "houses" on this road (looking at a map of Surin, I think that the name of this road is Thanon Damrong Rak).

[/QUOTE]

Thanks Goyave.

I will take a look when next down that way

[QUOTE=Acunaway]Opebo, goyave,

Have you been to Buriram lately?[/QUOTE]

Sorry not in ages.

I have however been back to check on Udon Thani and as one might expect, like most good things, it is in thriving health due to the current situation of good government. The sois are as open and well supplied with girls. My friend took an extreme cutey (the only kind they have, really), at the 600 baht house and I took an old favorite from a 400 baht house, both in the soi 2 area. Excellent service for me, just the way I like it, but alas I couldn't finish as I'd been in a Khon Kaen soapy earlier in the day. My Thai friend said his girl was very nice and pleasing.

By the way I talked to one girl as I waited for my fave to finish her previous customer.. this girl spoke English reasonably well, and received an international call from a foreigner while we were chatting. She asked the foreigner to send her money by Western Union. So, it seems even the Lao girls in the illegal alien brothels have learned to milk the foolish refugees from the bad places rather than merely providing good service for good money.

I also visited Khon Kaen recently over several days, where I had a fine service from an old favorite from the bus station streetwalkers and several soapy experiences.

The bus station scene seemed about as well supplied as ever, with a few decent looking 18-21ish girls, and the small brothels over on the 500 baht brothel soi seemed to be thriving. All things fare well under the hands-off government.

Regarding the ab aum nuat (soapies), my friend and I visited all - Lillies, Kosa, Ceasar, and Villa. We found as such - still 1100 base at Lillies, but that place has added 3-4 'side-liners' at just 1300 or 1400 (can't remember which). Basically they're young cuties, but everyone else in that place is unattractive. At Ceasar things were as usual there - some surprisingly cute girls, smaller selection. We didn't take at either.

At Kosa there were lots of girls, mostly not worth the higher price, but on one occasion I took a tall 22ish white skinned side-liner for 2,200 baht who said she only worked 5 days a month. I believed it as she was really bizarrely horny in the room. Quite enjoyable though cover was required for intercourse. Not so with the one I took on another day - a girl I had known back in the day at Ceasar, now working at Kosa. Very sexy slim girl of around 24 with tastefully done fake breasts, provided the natural sex, but kept stopping every time she sensed I was getting close out of fear of pregnancy, despite my promises to come outside. Finally she insisted we shift to hand-job, but I couldn't finish that way. Bizarre to find the covered girl was more satisfying than the uncovered, but the latter was just too flaky (also the condom didn't feel too bad as we had used baby oil on the inside of it as a lube; didn't break though).

Finally I took a nice looking but rather aged (28) woman at Villa, priced at 1300. I was totally surprised as in the room her bored demeanor changed and we had good BBBJ, a little DATY, and a rousing BBFS, all done with a spark of chemistry I hadn't felt in a month. Funny how when you least expect it you enjoy it the most.

Lastly I'll mention that we were offered 'college girls' by one tuk tuk driver, and one papasan at Villa did say that he could hook us up with such next time, at around 2,000 or 1,500. I may try this and report next time.

[QUOTE=Opebo]By the way I talked to one girl as I waited for my fave to finish her previous customer.. this girl spoke English reasonably well, and received an international call from a foreigner while we were chatting. She asked the foreigner to send her money by Western Union. So, it seems even the Lao girls in the illegal alien brothels have learned to milk the foolish refugees from the bad places rather than merely providing good service for good money.[/QUOTE]Yes, indeed. The sexy lao girls are well on the game now especially those in isaan. I had one girl try and suck me dry with the whole "my moms sick" story. I just stopped answering my phone after that.

Opebo,

You live in Bangkok? How can you go to Udon Khon Kaen that often? I know these questions are not directly about sex but I guess many forum readers want to know more about forum leader.

Technically, not Isaan region but close enough.

I'll be spending a fair amount of time in Phitsanoluk over the next year.

If anyone has any locations / advice concerning P4P up there, I would appreciate it.

I will, of course, be doing my own recon and will post upon any enjoyable experience I have.

Cheers,

Kuratla

[QUOTE=Kuratla]I'll be spending a fair amount of time in Phitsanoluk over the next year.

If anyone has any locations / advice concerning P4P up there, I would appreciate it.[/QUOTE]

Search, I think Asshole had something to say.

I was there once, an old samlor guy took me to a place quite near the train station, a bit to the south if I recall correctly. It was a soi with dilapidated wooden houses. I paid 500 baht. There were at least 2 houses in operation, but not much on offer.

[QUOTE=Bella Oxmyx]This post reminds me of the last time I was in Nongkhai. I tried to find it with the vague information I had read here before. The tuk tuk driver said "yes" when I asked if he knew where this place was. But he didn't know. He stopped and asked directions from numerous people (mostly from other bars), and drove all around to different areas. Every time, the name "Jungle Bar" drew complete blanks on peoples faces. Nobody had seemed to have ever heard of it before. Finally the driver gave up, and tried to hijack me for 150 baht for a ride he originally quoted as costing 50 baht. I gave him 50 baht and he complained that he drove me all over looking for this place (in reality, we probably spent 15 minutes and covered about all of the different bar areas I know of in Nongkhai.) The driver was really holding out for 150 baht, and I just asked him "Why did you tell me you knew where this place was, and tell me 50 baht to go there, when I asked you before getting in the tuk tuk? "

I have to wonder if Jungle Bar really exists in Nongkhai? If anybody knows that it does, please post a specific location. I have a visa run to Vientienne coming up in another week or so![/QUOTE]

I hate when tuk tuk drivers do that shit!. It really pisses me off. All they see is the farang, the money, and nothing else.

[QUOTE=Goyave]Yes, everything is pretty similar to what I wrote then. In Udon Thani, the less known brothel on Prajak road now opens later than in the past (better to check this place at around 10pm nowadays) and the girls available there are also less numerous and often less attractive on average than they used to be.

In the meanwhile, the quality has improved in the brothels located in Soi Fai Deng, and the prices are still the same (300 baht for a ST session on premises): it's the best value in Udon Thani in my humble opinion. I've seen more and more Farang customers in this area in the recent weeks.

Nong Khai brothels were great in the past, now most of them are not. This town is worth a visit only if you have to go there for some other reasons (tourism or visa run, for instance) than mongering. Fun can be had, but girls available in most of the Nong Khai brothels are older, less numerous and much less attractive than what was available there just two years ago.[/QUOTE]I think I might have to move to Udon Thani because I have been paying 1,000. 2,000 baht for ST in the local area where I live.

300 baht for ST is probably the best value in all of Thailand.

[QUOTE=Frank Anon]... 300 baht for ST is probably the best value in all of Thailand.[/QUOTE]

This price is not uncommon in local brothels, even in other parts of Thailand. But you have to know that a ST session in a brothel is about 30-45 minutes only (unless you are already a regular customer of the place, and then, the mamasan or papasan might allow you to stay a bit more with the girl) and that most of the girls are not very experienced, therefore, they usually are reluctant to do certain things (BBBJ and anal for instance - those require patience and an incentive: a couple of one hundred baht banknotes usually suffices if the girl is only semi-reluctant). They often just spray their legs and adopt a starfish attitude.

That being said, it's not always the case, and when you regularly visit those places, you may find some decent providers... or you may also take the time with several ST sessions to teach a willing girl what you like (but be aware that there is a high turnover of girls in these establishments, and after a couple of months, your best "students" are often back in their home).

Well, I had to do a tour with a bicycle taxi guy to find some action in Phitsanoluk. Apparently, that's there main function - bringing tourists to the girls.

I didn't have much choice in the matter as I wasn't prepared to wonder the streets aimlessly for hours until I found the right locations.

I was taken behind an apartment near one of the hospitals (don't remember the name at the moment). Small back soi. 4 girls (late teens to mid-20s, I would guess) sitting outside someone's home. The madam in charge of things quoted 700 baht. I would have been interested if I could have taken one of the girls back to my apartment but that wasn't possible, apparently.

Had to do the deed inside the house... which had kids running around. Umm... no thanks. I passed and got my guide to take me to a place where the girl would return with me to my apartment.

Got lost along the way so I doubt I can find it again where I ended up at. A small soi. We passed a karoake bar with some nice girls sitting outside waving me in. Ended up at seemingly ordinary massage palor. The mamasan asked for 400 baht upfront for a 2 hour massage. I picked the nicest looking one and went back to my room.

I had to confirm with her in the room that "special" was on the menu. It was.

However, it was a rather large let down. No kissing. No BBBJ. She whined about sucking me even with a condom on. One shot and she was ready to run out the door. Price was 1500 baht... which we worked out beforehand.

Too bad. She had a nice body, nice tits, tight pussy. Performance was sub-par.

Guess I need to keep looking......

[QUOTE=Goyave]This price is not uncommon in local brothels, even in other parts of Thailand. But you have to know that a ST session in a brothel is about 30-45 minutes only (unless you are already a regular customer of the place, and then, the mamasan or papasan might allow you to stay a bit more with the girl) and that most of the girls are not very experienced, therefore, they usually are reluctant to do certain things (BBBJ and anal for instance - those require patience and an incentive: a couple of one hundred baht banknotes usually suffices if the girl is only semi-reluctant). They often just spray their legs and adopt a starfish attitude.

[/QUOTE]
I'd have to agree that lots of these girls provide very poor service. You better have a hard on as soon as you walk through the door or else things are gonna get funky!

Also, these places are absolutely filthy! Used condoms all over the place and dirty sheets with pubic hairs and spunk stains.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]... Also, these places are absolutely filthy! Used condoms all over the place and dirty sheets with pubic hairs and spunk stains.[/QUOTE]

That's true in most cases, but I've noticed that the situation has improved in the recent years. For instance, a couple of brothels (among the cheapest ones) in Udon Thani underwent some renovation work not so long ago and I know at least five places there in the 300-400 baht price range where the girls' rooms are not that bad. Of course, in the most expensive locations, the rooms are a lot better.

[QUOTE=Kuratla]... No kissing. No BBBJ. She whined about sucking me even with a condom on. One shot and she was ready to run out the door. Price was 1500 baht... which we worked out beforehand.

Too bad. She had a nice body, nice tits, tight pussy. Performance was sub-par...[/QUOTE]

Alas, that's a very typical attitude in these areas. Most of the girls here are not used to service Farang customers. It's not like more touristic places such as Pattaya, Bangkok, Phuket or Koh Samui, for instance. By the way, Western-style kissing is not yet a common practice in Thailand, especially in its rural or less touristic parts. Thais "sniff kiss". More info about this here: [url]http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/569665/the_sniff_kiss_love_in_a_breath.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Goyave]Alas, that's a very typical attitude in these areas. Most of the girls here are not used to service Farang customers. [/url][/QUOTE]
I think lots of these girls are used to locals walking in with a hard on, sticking it in, and cumming in just a few minutes then leaving, thus that is why they just lay there and do nothing.

If I was 18 again, I think this type of set up would be absolute bliss!

[QUOTE=Goyave]Western-style kissing is not yet a common practice in Thailand, especially in its rural or less touristic parts. Thais "sniff kiss". [/QUOTE]

Well the lady can sniff kiss my ass all she wants as long as I have my BBBJ :D

They need to get trained up in BKK for 6 months or so. Then return to the provinces and do a proper job.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Also, these places are absolutely filthy! Used condoms all over the place and dirty sheets with pubic hairs and spunk stains.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goyave]That's true in most cases, but I've noticed that the situation has improved in the recent years. For instance, a couple of brothels (among the cheapest ones) in Udon Thani underwent some renovation work not so long ago and I know at least five places there in the 300-400 baht price range where the girls' rooms are not that bad. Of course, in the most expensive locations, the rooms are a lot better.[/QUOTE]

You guys are far more sensitive than I, though I have to admit Soi Sow Fie Dang can be a bit dirty. Soi two isn't so bad. If you fellows want to stick to both a higher standard of girl and a much nicer room (private bath, actual shower, better bed and fixtures, even air if you pay extra), go to the 600 baht house on the side soi off of Soi 2. Just go down to area where the houses are still open and you'll see the soi to your left - turn left and its the first house on the right.

The girls are almost uniformly tip-top in appearance, and the rooms are really nice. They even sometimes have one or two 800 baht girls who are real tall-white-slim Thai style beauties, and with them I'm told you automatically get the air-con room. My middle class Thai friends will only patronize this house.

By the way I got the Clap shortly after a recent visit to Soi 2... not certain I got it there or in Khon Kaen soapies, but word to the wise.

[QUOTE=Opebo]You guys are far more sensitive than I, though I have to admit Soi Sow Fie Dang can be a bit dirty...[/QUOTE]

I'm not that sensitive (I don't care much about the room itself, it's not what matters the most for me). Actually, I just wrote that the situation has improved in the recent years, even in the cheap brothels of Soi Fai Deng. A couple of them underwent some renovation work in the last two or three years and the girls' rooms are a lot better than in the other establishments located in the same area.

By the way, there is also a (relatively) nicer than average place located in the middle of the first small perpendicular soi (when coming from the main road) that connects Adunyadet Soi 3 and 4. I currently still pay 400 baht ST there (I'm a long time customer, and it was even 100 baht cheaper here in the past), but I know that they usually try to get 500 baht from their new Farang customers. Rooms there have air conditioner and their own shower room with hot water.

[QUOTE=Kuratla]Technically, not Isaan region but close enough.

I'll be spending a fair amount of time in Phitsanoluk over the next year.

If anyone has any locations / advice concerning P4P up there, I would appreciate it...[/QUOTE]

I just found a report that you might want to read: [post]948442[/post]

[QUOTE=Goyave]I just found a report that you might want to read: [post]948442[/post][/QUOTE]

That is useful. Thank you.

I shall explore around there on Tuesday night and see what I can find.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]walking in with a hard on, sticking it in, and cumming then leaving, thus that is why they just lay there and do nothing.

![/QUOTE]


Ha, Sounds alot like my ex-wife.

PT

[QUOTE=Opebo] Soi two isn't so bad. If you fellows want to stick to both a higher standard of girl and a much nicer room (private bath, actual shower, better bed and fixtures, even air if you pay extra), go to the 600 baht house on the side soi off of Soi 2. Just go down to area where the houses are still open and you'll see the soi to your left - turn left and its the first house on the right.

The girls are almost uniformly tip-top in appearance, and the rooms are really nice. They even sometimes have one or two 800 baht girls who are real tall-white-slim Thai style beauties, and with them I'm told you automatically get the air-con room. My middle class Thai friends will only patronize this house.[/QUOTE]
I really like the 600baht house. I always get a gfe there and the conditions are so much better. I have done the 300baht thing in the other houses and sirs but frankly it is not a great experience. I wish they had more of the 600 baht variety. Only problem is that they don't open that house until about 7pm. Would be so nice just to head down there for an hour in the afternoon. In fact, if anyone out there knows of a decent place for some afternoon FS in reasonably clean conditions, I would be very interested.

[QUOTE=Simian]... In fact, if anyone out there knows of a decent place for some afternoon FS in reasonably clean conditions, I would be very interested.[/QUOTE]

Read the last paragraph of this post: [post]1017764[/post]

This brothel is usually open in the afternoon. If it seems to be closed when you are in front of it, just check the place located at the Northwestern corner on the junction with Adunyadet soi 3 where the mamasan and papasan of this establishment are staying most of the time during daytime and one of them will then go and open the brothel's door for you.

I will check again this place in a couple of days, but if I am not mistaken, it's located correctly on the first attached map (nicerB1.jpg). If not, it's the second map (nicerB2.jpg) which is correct.

[QUOTE=Goyave]... I will check again this place in a couple of days, but if I am not mistaken, it's located correctly on the first attached map (nicerB1.jpg)...[/QUOTE]

I've recently checked again this place, and I can now confirm that the first map (nicerB1.jpg) is the correct one.

Govaya,

How do the ladies compare with Soi 2 / 7 and Soi Fang?

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Govaya,

How do the ladies compare with Soi 2 / 7 and Soi Fang?[/QUOTE]

Honestly, I don't think that the ladies are more or less attractive in one particular location than in another. In the past, Soi 7 had the reputation to host the most beautiful girls working in the local brothels, but it has never been very obvious, at least, according to my own experience there. The rooms might be very different from place to place, though. But regarding the beauty of the providers, there's nothing granted and real gems may be found in the cheapest brothels. Actually, if we are speaking about the girls' looks, the quality is not bad at all in the brothels of Soi Fai Deng. The quality of the services rendered there is another story...

By the way, my moniker here is Goyave (not "Govaya"), the French word for "guava" in English and it's one of the meanings of the Thai word "ฝรั่ง" (Farang).

Sorry for the name mix up, and thanks for the clarification.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]How do the ladies compare with Soi 2 / 7 and Soi Fang?[/QUOTE]

They're a bit better looking at Soi 2 than Sow Fie Dang, particularly in the fancier house. Maybe just a bit taller and better 'made up'.

One ISG member asked me in a private message a question about the current situation in Udon Thani regarding the local brothels. I think that other ISG members might be interested by my answer.

I live in Udon Thani province, not in Udon Thani city, but I was in this town Monday, Tuesday and today (Friday).

On Monday, it was business as usual, but many brothels were already (apparently) closed on Tuesday. As a regular customer in most of them, I've been able to enter in one of the apparently closed establishment (the "mamasan" saw me and opened the door, which was locked, for me).

On Wednesday, I was not in town, but several incidents occurred there, mostly in the Old City Hall area: [url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/178436/old-building-of-udon-city-hall-set-on-fire[/url]

Today (Friday), in the late afternoon, I've checked the brothels of Adunyadet Soi 2 and those of Soi Fai Deng. Most of them were open then, although not all of them (I would say that about 75% of them were open then).

Goyave, you mentioned visiting on a curfew day (Friday). Was your visit during the day?

[QUOTE=Opebo]Goyave, you mentioned visiting on a curfew day (Friday). Was your visit during the day?[/QUOTE]

Yes. Yesterday, I wrote: "Today (Friday), [b]in the late afternoon[/b]...". To be more precise, I went there at around 5pm.

Popped down to Surin today after a break of over 3 months

Was pleasantly surprised at the station. 9am - 2 very nice girls available. Took one from Chiang Rai- a 3 holer - for 300bt. 25 years old -slim .Cover optional!. excellent service.

Feeling exceptionally frisky, took a 2nd in the afternoon - hails from the NW of Buriram province. same price - sex and extensive oral provided. Took a time to come due to mornings activities and heat but she persevered, and wouldn't accept my throwing in the towel. Again cover optional. Excellent girl!

Wow, Bumholes, Goyave, you guys give me hope in a very depressing time. I have been completely holed up since the curfew as I hardly ever find anything during the day and in any case hate the heat. I've only been able to access regulars by telephone.

I was in Khon Kaen just days before everything went to s**t, and hung out in Cleo's Kareoke with a friend - 2,000 baht short times, very pretty girls. Needless to say we didn't take. At that time the 500 baht bus station girls were still around, but I'm sure the curfew has eliminated that as it was exclusively a post-nine or ten PM affair.

Over the last six weeks I had two excellent full-services just-the-way-I-like-it at Villa, each for 1,300 baht. Decent looking late-twenties women in both cases - nothing spectacular, but good sex and very cooperative. Almost got anal with one but had only baby oil with me - would've needed KY for sure to seal that deal.

Also, Lilly's Massage in the Charonesi Grand Princess is closed, the desk staff said permanently. Sad to see any Soapy lost to us, though that one was usually very mediocre.

I tried Ceasar Soapy the other day after not visiting for a long while. The guy kept recommending one girl that I couldn't see - where I was sitting she was on a couch with the back to me (yes Ceasar seems poorly laid out). Anyway, I took another one that looked tall and slim, though not very white. Imagine my shock when in the room it turned out she had a bad baby-stomach! And she had been priced at the 1,500 baht level, which certainly ought to gaurantee something decent. I really can't imagine how a Thai man would react to that, and Thais are the bulk of the customers at that establishment.

As it turned out she provided great service including bb, but not without a certain amount of initial protestastion. Her vagina was quite loose and sloppy, which I liked but I'm sure many would not. Creampie was recieved with a good humor, and to be honest her utter lack of interest in sluicing seemed strange to me.

Anyway in Khon Kaen I would still have to recommend Kosa for the looks and Villa for service.

I visited Soi Fai Deng in Udon Thani earlier today (at 7pm approximately) and all the brothels of this area were open then. Moreover, it seems that the girls were also more numerous than in the past weeks.

I saw many girls (and several of them were long-time favorites of mine) that are now back to work here after having "disappeared" for a few weeks or months.

I've been told earlier that these girls were back in their home village or town in Laos, and even about one of my favorites that I've met again today (yes, I met her also in the "biblical sense"!), that she got recently married in Laos and would never come back here! Not sure how true it was then (I didn't ask the question to the girl herself, because if it's true, she might be embarrassed to explain why she has to work again in this brothel), but I was quite happy to see her again today. She has gained some weight in the meanwhile (about 4 extra kilos, I would say), her hair is a bit shorter and her skin color is a bit darker than in the past, but she's still cute and delivers an almost decent service, which is a bit of a rarity in the local brothels of Northeastern Thailand.

Funny enough, in the brothel where she works again, I now "know" several nice girls that are all currently working here (some of them also recently came back after a few weeks or months spent elsewhere, presumably in Laos), and they all have different qualities (for instance, anal sex is possible with one of them, another one gives decent head, another one has great tits, etc.), so, the choice is tough for me now that they are all available at the same time! It will be even tougher on my next visit, because I also saw today a little spinner who was going out of the "bathroom" (just after my session with her colleague) and who seems to have a very beautiful body and who looks to be great fun (she was not shy and joked a bit with me).

Usually, I select only one girl at a time in each brothel (and select only this girl on my next visits and as long as she stays in this place if she's a decent enough provider), and as I like variety, I just go in one establishment or in another one, depending on what kind of girl (or service) I want then. But now, it seems that I will have to schedule my visits elaborately, and in more than one establishment (but in this brothel in particular), in order to enjoy the company of each various provider successively! The beds there are too small alas for a threesome (so, forget about a foursome or more, of course!), provided that the girls would not have been reluctant (which is far than being granted in the local brothels of Northeastern Thailand anyway).

I also saw a lot of new cuties today in this area, so, this soi is definitely worth a visit in my humble opinion if you can go to Udon Thani in the next weeks.

Just visited Soi 2 - everything's open, numbers and quality the same, though as usual girls cycle home and back a lot so it is mostly new faces. This time I tried one from the 'better' house and one from a regular house and got poor service and no concessions from either. Very disappointing trip but no surprise - chances are less than 50/50 in those brothels, and if old favorites are away and your budget is at most 1000 baht, you might well get two duds in a row and be a loser.

Interestingly the man quoted 500 to us first at the 'lower end' house, but I said no way, and he leaned over and whispered to my Thai friend and I that 400 would be fine but he didn't want the other customers, who were newbies, to hear. (They were Thai, just not knowledgeable.)

[QUOTE=Opebo]... Interestingly the man quoted 500 to us first at the 'lower end' house, but I said no way, and he leaned over and whispered to my Thai friend and I that 400 would be fine but he didn't want the other customers, who were newbies, to hear. (They were Thai, just not knowledgeable.)[/QUOTE]Yes, they try that trick with almost every foreigner nowadays, but 400 baht is still what Farang customers should pay in this area (and 300 baht on Soi Fai Deng) for a ST session.

Last time I went there (a few weeks ago), regular Thai customers were still paying 300 baht in the brothels of Adunyadet Soi 2.

In Nong Khai, they now also try to charge their Farang customers 400 baht for a ST session in the cheapest brothels, but 300 baht is the regular price. Ok, it's just a one hundred baht difference, but there is no reason to overpay (the working girls won't get more money anyway) and it's better to give a tip directly to the providers themselves (who deserve it).

By the way, at least for me, the quality is not great nowadays in the cheap brothels of Nong Khai. But Soi Fai Deng in Udon Thani rocks!

[QUOTE=Goyave]Last time I went there (a few weeks ago), regular Thai customers were still paying 300 baht in the brothels of Adunyadet Soi 2.[/quote]Interesting - when I was there, he was trying to charge Thais 500 baht, and was whispering the 400 to me in order that the Thai guys not hear. My Thai friends always get asked for at least 400 and sometimes 500 at those houses, but I suppose they do look rich.

[QUOTE=Goyave]By the way, at least for me, the quality is not great nowadays in the cheap brothels of Nong Khai. But Soi Fai Deng in Udon Thani rocks![/QUOTE]I never go to Nong Khai since Udon is so much better and is less far for me. I agree that Soi Sow Fai Deng is nice for the price (300 baht), but I find service is so bad I usually have to try 2-3 girls to get one that is enjoyable, so the real price is still about 1,000 baht for in order to cum. Also most of the girls are so damned short, and quite a few are a bit chubby really - I just don't like those little extremely short ones.

Any daytime activities up there?

curious mind wants to know if he gets the desire.

My prospective on Udon Thani, for what it's worth!!!

3 golf courses.
Sri Thani - 9 hole, decent condition/challenge...only negative is that the
greens are slow.
Wing 23 - 9 hole course, fair conditions...greens are bad.
18KM - 9 hole course, challenging w/ multiple shot making
required...negatives as usual in Issan gold, greens aren't the greatest.
* Army course just went thru a rehab, so expect it'll be open in a few
weeks.
** 18 holes (two time around) w/ caddie runs 300 baht during the week.
Horse Racing on Saturday, 10 races (crooked as hell, but entertaining). First
race starts at 1230 and the last race starts at 5 PM.
Food.
Irish Cock, good farang and Thai food....little pricey.
Oshii Rest, both buffet and regular.
McD, KFC and Pizza Company. Would be nice if we had a SubWay.
Multiple Thai Rest with good/cheap Thai food.

Nightlife.
Day and Nite, worth visiting (once). Though you may get lucky.
Soi 2 and Soi Farang, brothels.
I prefer Soi 7, aircon rooms and more of a relaxed atmoshphere.
Cost: Soi 2 - 400 baht / Soi Farang - 300 baht / Soi 7 - 850.
Soi 7 cost (150 room S/T and 700 for the lady)
They will bring the ladies to your room, be picky as they have a large
number available and they will normally start with ladies in the 5-6
range.
Masssage/Soapy - have only been to Oscars, opens at 1200....not worth
visiting until after 5 PM. Price (if I remember right): 1600
regular/1800 Sideline.
I personally like the Orange Moon Bar (same farang street with Irish Cock
and Day and Nite). Some nice ladies there, and they have a decent
pool table (sticks suck).

Central Mall / Robinsons - Just a regular mall, there are always some hotties walking around. I'm old and normally with the wife, so haven't tried picking up any thing.

One Go-Go, Wolverine's.....worth visiting once for one beer. Limited eye candy and ST / LT prices are crazy for Udon Thani.

Haven't been to any of the many massage parlors (back and feet), and haven't heard any good reviews.

Oh, on bar lady prices. Have been quoted 500-1000 baht for S/T and 1000-2000 LT. Right now, expect you can get the lower quote with most ladies.

There are a large number of Thai open air bars, night clubs (as most cities in Issan have).......friends have had good luck picking up ladies.....only problem would be that majority of the ladies don't speak a lick of English.

I don't get out often, but this is my prospective on Udon!!!

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002] Soi 2 - 400 baht / Soi Farang - 300 baht / Soi 7 - 850.
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Where is soi farang?
[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]
Have been quoted 500-1000 baht for S/T and 1000-2000 LT. Right now, expect you can get the lower quote with most ladies.
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Bar girls are so overpriced in Udon! I've never seen anything quality enough to come even close to 1000 ST. Some of these girls are so old and used up. I was almost insulted when lots quoted these prices. Just goes to show how many dumb foreigners are showing up nowdays in Udon!

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Where is soi farang?[/QUOTE]

There used to be a "Soi Farang" in the past, an area with small bars (now, it's a parking lot and the bars were demolished more than one year ago) that was located opposite to Central Plaza (formerly known as Charoensri Complex), but actually, Mosquito2002 is probably speaking about "Soi Fai Deng".

Soi Samphan Thamit (the small street where the Irish Pub is located) is now sometimes referred as the new "Soi Farang", because one can find several bars that caters to many (mostly?) expatriates in this area.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Interesting - when I was there, he was trying to charge Thais 500 baht, and was whispering the 400 to me in order that the Thai guys not hear. My Thai friends always get asked for at least 400 and sometimes 500 at those houses, but I suppose they do look rich.[/QUOTE]

I clearly saw an elderly Thai gentleman paying only 300 baht in the first (when coming from Adunyadet main road) brothel on the right (the one with a sliding door) in Adunyadet Soi 2. That's also the price that the working girls told me (although, not recently) that the Thai customers pay in several other brothels of this Soi.

I guess that your Thai friends did not know the regular price and asked how much it is in the selected brothel. That's probably why they were charged more. Moreover, I suppose that if they speak "central Thai" and not the Isan dialect, it's another clue for the local mamasans and papasans to charge them more than the regular price.

[QUOTE=Opebo]... I agree that Soi Sow Fai Deng is nice for the price (300 baht), but I find service is so bad I usually have to try 2-3 girls to get one that is enjoyable, so the real price is still about 1,000 baht for in order to cum. Also most of the girls are so damned short, and quite a few are a bit chubby really - I just don't like those little extremely short ones.[/QUOTE]

I usually don't like the chubby girls too and prefer them slim (and relatively tall preferably, but I also like little spinners), and I encounter not much difficulties to find girls up to my liking in Udon Thani (but not anymore during daytime in Nong Khai, alas).

In my humble opinion, the service is not much different in the various local brothels in Udon Thani. You're right: you often have to visit several places (or try several girls in one brothel) before finding a girl who provides a decent service, but it's true in every red district area in Northeastern Thailand that caters mostly to locals, I suppose.

I am lucky enough to visit the local brothels frequently and I know where I can find decent enough (at least for me) providers in the cheapest places, but it's certainly hit or miss for people who can not come here often.

[QUOTE=AsiaFloyd]Any daytime activities up there?[/QUOTE]

Yes, for daytime activities there are three 'Soapies' - Kosa Hotel (1100/1700/2000/2200, with good quality at higher prices), Ceasar's Massage (1100/1500/1700, sometimes with good quality), and Villa Massage (near Roma Hotel, 1000/1300, lower quality, much better service).

I have no idea if the small brothels which masquerade as kareokes on the small brothel soi are open during the day, but I suppose they might be partially open in very late afternoon. Day is not a normal time for nightlife activities in Isaan.

Tried this 'infamous' massage next to Pathumrat Hotel. Had a history of entertaining Pol Pot's generals as well as the USAF from the 70s on. Was a fishbowl about 3pm with 6 ladies. Was about 6 guys on the seats who all jumped up when I walked in, so they all 'worked' there, although their roles were unclear. No other punters. One guy got talking to me and the others low fived him. I talk some Thai, and he had 3 words of English. Selected a youngish girl. He demanded a tip, and I reluctantly parted with 100b.

Service was OK. She was sweet and inexperienced, which was fun for while. The act was a bit boring, unless you like a girl going 'ow, ow' with her head turned away, eyes closed and hands over her breasts.

The kicker came when I left. I paid the 1500b for 90 mins. Then all these layabout dudes surrounded me, wouldn't let me leave. They finally looked up what they wanted in a book. 'tip, tip'. Disgusted, I handed the girl 100b, and slammed 100b on the counter and stormed out.

Do us all a favor and never go this dump!

Hi everybody.

I just arrived in udon thani and found soi 2 quite easily though at noon the choice is not great.

I was trying to locate Soi Sow Fai Deng but was unable to do so.

Any help maybe?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Prison Break]... I was trying to locate Soi Sow Fai Deng but was unable to do so...[/QUOTE]

I already answered to your PM, but I guess that my response might be useful here too for other ISG readers.
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I posted a map some time ago. It's here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.in...chmentid=122273[/url]

It's not far from a red and white tower that belongs to the CAT International Telephone Office. The brothels of Soi Fai Deng are on the left side of Wattana Nuwong road (coming from the Paolo Hospital).

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[QUOTE=Dan Key]
The kicker came when I left. I paid the 1500b for 90 mins. Then all these layabout dudes surrounded me, wouldn't let me leave. They finally looked up what they wanted in a book. 'tip, tip'. Disgusted, I handed the girl 100b, and slammed 100b on the counter and stormed out.

Do us all a favor and never go this dump![/QUOTE]
Why would you tip if you were "disgusted"? Looks like they got what they wanted.

Better to smile and walk away leaving nothing.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Why would you tip if you were "disgusted"? Looks like they got what they wanted.

Better to smile and walk away leaving nothing.[/QUOTE]Sure. Lesson learnt. But I emphasize, these dudes surrounded me and wouldn't let me leave. Pretty ugly.

BTW, I don't want to cast doubts on Ubon. It's a beautiful friendly town, similar size and feel to Chiang Mai, with a university as well. No one speaks English and very few tourists, so it's unchartered waters. Apparently, plenty of P4P but you must speak good Thai

[QUOTE=Dan Key]Sure. Lesson learnt. But I emphasize, these dudes surrounded me and wouldn't let me leave. Pretty ugly.

[/QUOTE]
"Surrounded" you in a hostile manner? Did they hold you back? If they used extortion, then that is way fucked up! Thais are always trying to get a one up on foreigners.

Over the last few months I've been getting consistently great service from many different girls at Villa Massage, and the typical rule-bound but otherwise good service at Kosa Massage. It does help a lot to ask the men working at Villa which girls are 'good service' girls.

At Ceasar however I have noticed some unpleasant developments - the staff seemed pushy the last couple of times I visited. Once the mamasan practically forced a girl on me - I never saw anything like it. She kept pointing at one girl and saying her name, as apparently I had taken her in the past. This seemed to make her assume I would want to take her again, which was definitely not the case. Anyway she had called her over to my table and brought her a drink without even asking, and brought a room key and said ok lets go! All before I had agreed to anything. The clincher was the girl had bad breath! I told her sorry but there was a misunderstanding, and she went away in a huff. Then the mamasan just stood over me staring at me, waiting for a decision about which girl to take. It was like she couldn't bear to have a farang sitting in there idling away the time at 10:30 PM (which seems strange as I have sat there before, and they all claim the place is open not just to the previous 12:00 PM hour but till two AM nowadays.

Anyway, I was so glad I stood my ground - I picked a cute-but-far-from-beautiful little girl who kept smiling at me from the 'Bird Bird' section (only 1,200 baht), which was 300 baht cheaper than the girl they tried to foist on me. I ended up having one of the best sessions I've ever had in a Soapy - a new girl, seemingly very horny, who appeared to get a big kick out of having a farang (supposedly for the first time). In any case it was enthusiastic, seemingly passionate sex, and the way we like it - she didn't even pause when hopping on top.

Total damage:
1,200
300 tip for the you-know-what
100 tip damanded by the overbearing mama afterwards

1,600 baht is really too much even for good sex with an average looking 20 year old, but that's the way it is in Khon Kaen.

[QUOTE=Goyave]Read the last paragraph of this post: [post]1017764[/post]

This brothel is usually open in the afternoon. If it seems to be closed when you are in front of it, just check the place located at the Northwestern corner on the junction with Adunyadet soi 3 where the mamasan and papasan of this establishment are staying most of the time during daytime and one of them will then go and open the brothel's door for you.

I will check again this place in a couple of days, but if I am not mistaken, it's located correctly on the first attached map (nicerB1.jpg). If not, it's the second map (nicerB2.jpg) which is correct.[/QUOTE]Nice work how did you ever find that place Aney way I did look up your map and it is niceB1.jpg place and you are right it look like the brothel closed all not one at all.

I was go with 2 friend's that live in nong khai and they was think it was not one to I go inside and have a look and then stay for s/t it was 500 s/t 45 min.

[QUOTE=Goyave]Read the last paragraph of this post: [post]1017764[/post]

This brothel is usually open in the afternoon. If it seems to be closed when you are in front of it, just check the place located at the Northwestern corner on the junction with Adunyadet soi 3 where the mamasan and papasan of this establishment are staying most of the time during daytime and one of them will then go and open the brothel's door for you.

I will check again this place in a couple of days, but if I am not mistaken, it's located correctly on the first attached map (nicerB1.jpg). If not, it's the second map (nicerB2.jpg) which is correct.[/QUOTE]I was stay at a nice chep hotel near this place suksun mansion $350 bt per night one of the nice's and clean hotel in udon on soi 5 just 3 min by foot to niceB1

You allso can find take away brothel's in soi 7 just up from 7/eleven same 500 s/t they take you and lady back your room on motor bike.

[QUOTE=Hotshanehot]... I go inside and have a look and then stay for s/t it was 500 s/t 45 min.[/QUOTE]

Actually, the regular price for Farangs is still 400 bahts for a ST session there (it used to be even cheaper in the past), but the person in charge will try to charge you more than that, especially if you are a new customer (it's, alas, a common practice nowadays in the red districts of Udon Thani and Nong Khai).

Just smile, stay polite, and explain that you know that the regular price is 400 bahts (here) for Farangs (you can trust me on this one, I live in the Udon Thani province most of the year and regularly visit the local brothels since year 2002). You shouldn't have to haggle a long time as the mamasan or papasan would usually agree on this price once you've told them.

[QUOTE=Hotshanehot]I was stay at a nice chep hotel near this place suksun mansion $350 bt per night one of the nice's and clean hotel in udon on soi 5 just 3 min by foot to niceB1...[/QUOTE]

I guess that you are actually speaking about the Ruysuk Mansion: [url]http://www.ruysukguesthouse.com/room.html[/url]

Ruysuk Mansion is very near Adunyadet Soi 7, opposite Soi 6, and is indeed a cheap accommodation in this area. I haven't stayed here myself yet, but I know that several other ISG members frequent this place and are apparently quite satisfied with it.

[QUOTE=Hotshanehot]

You allso can find take away brothel's in soi 7 just up from 7/eleven same 500 s/t they take you and lady back your room on motor bike.[/QUOTE]
I believe prices range from 500-700 on soi 7?

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I believe prices range from 500-700 on soi 7?[/QUOTE]

It used to be 500 baht + 100 baht for the room in the past at this pickup joint on Soi 7 for regular customers (I know that they often try to charge their new customers more than that nowadays), but I suppose that Hotshanehot only paid 500 baht because he had his own room at the Ruysuk Mansion.

[QUOTE=Goyave]It used to be 500 baht + 100 baht for the room in the past at this pickup joint on Soi 7 for regular customers (I know that they often try to charge their new customers more than that nowadays), but I suppose that Hotshanehot only paid 500 baht because he had his own room at the Ruysuk Mansion.[/QUOTE]
Well there are several houses on soi 7. At only one of them I've payed 700. The others were all 500. These prices correct?

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Well there are several houses on soi 7. At only one of them I've payed 700. The others were all 500. These prices correct?[/QUOTE]

I haven't visited this soi recently myself (I favor the cheapest brothels as the quality of the providers is not much different in my humble opinion), but your price range is probably correct: one of my friends paid 800 baht (room included) in another brothel of this soi a few months ago, but he had been slightly overcharged as a newbie there, I suppose.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Well there are several houses on soi 7. At only one of them I've payed 700. The others were all 500. These prices correct?[/QUOTE]

I've never been able to find any actual houses on Soi 7 since the crackdown a few years back. For several years all my friends and I could find on Soi 7 was the option of going to the short-time bungaloes and having them bring a very small selection of girls - usually only one girl for each man - for us to take or not take. The girls have continued to be well above average here, but at 700 plus 130 for the crappy room, it is way too expensive for what you get (typical poor service).

Have the old houses re-opened on Soi 7? Are they especially hidden? When we drove up and down the soi last night we only saw a few touts inviting us to the bungaloes, no houses.

To Goyave - we finally located your hidden house on the side soi. We were also quoted 500 baht but there was nothing worth taking so we left without bargaining. Seems like the quality is pretty low lately, though the numbers are reasonably high.

My last 3-4 sessions in Udon have been such terrible service I'm beginning to despair of the place. For sure there is no friendliness or enthusiasm, and everything is very plastic. On the last visit I was actually asked 1,000 baht for what they claimed was a 'special' girl at the expensive (600 baht) house just off Soi 2. My picky Thai friend used to always get these 'special' girls for 800 baht at this house, but they wouldn't budge from 1,000. Anyway it was a total waste as service was abominable.

[QUOTE=Opebo]My picky Thai friend used to always get these 'special' girls for 800 baht at this house, but they wouldn't budge from 1,000. Anyway it was a total waste as service was abominable.[/QUOTE]
You think that the service is poor for Thais as well? I'm curious if it's because the girl sees a farang and in her head she is saying: "i don't want to go with this foreign guy". So maybe she is setting herself up for disaster from the get go.

I've found that service is usually poor also, but if I speak thai, or I take the girl a second time she usually performs better.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]You think that the service is poor for Thais as well? I'm curious if it's because the girl sees a farang and in her head she is saying: "i don't want to go with this foreign guy". So maybe she is setting herself up for disaster from the get go.[/QUOTE]

Well, sure, most of them dislike foreigners more than they dislike Thais, but I think the standard of service is just very low, kind of 'just lie there', and in general most girls are very condom insistent. Of course most Thais don't need very good service to enjoy themselves, and focus mainly on appearance.

[QUOTE=Goyave]I guess that you are actually speaking about the Ruysuk Mansion: [url]http://www.Ruysukguesthouse.com/room.html[/url]

Ruysuk Mansion is very near Adunyadet Soi 7, opposite Soi 6, and is indeed a cheap accommodation in this area. I haven't stayed here myself yet, but I know that several other ISG members frequent this place and are apparently quite satisfied with it.[/QUOTE]No Suksun Mansion.

Just down the road on soi 5 about 2 min by foot to ruysukguesthouse and the room's are so much beter way nicer.

If you can read thai you will see the sign on adulyadet Road same side that the bookhouse is on.

[QUOTE=Hotshanehot]No Suksun Mansion.

Just down the road on soi 5 about 2 min by foot to ruysukguesthouse and the room's are so much beter way nicer.

If you can read thai you will see the sign on adulyadet Road same side that the bookhouse is on.[/QUOTE]


Oh, yes! It's the สุขสันต์ แมนชั่น in Thai! I did not know this place.
[url]http://sooksantmansion.hong-pak.com/[/url]

Sorry for my misunderstanding and thank you for your information about this hotel.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Well there are several houses on soi 7. At only one of them I've payed 700. The others were all 500. These prices correct?[/QUOTE]

It seems that after couple of months Soi 7 has been imprved. Couple of months before I'v also visited posibl all sub-sois; but none was offered anything to me. Personaly couple of times I'v entered in shitty huts by revealing plastic rappers but unfortunately I failed to find any hidden house there.

[QUOTE=Goyave]Oh, yes! It's the?? In Thai! I did not know this place.

[url]http://sooksantmansion. Hong-pak.com/[/url]

Sorry for my misunderstanding and thank you for your information about this hotel.[/QUOTE]Yes you got it

And thank you for you info on this part of udon as I was only been day / night befor

And as for soi 7 it was a take away and I did pay 500 there too

I did ask the lady back in room what she get out of it 200 so I give a tip.

On Soi 7 you guys are finding 'take away' - do you mean there are actual houses there you can sit and look a the girls, or that the touts you see along the street there bring girls on motorbikes for you to look at?

Over the last few years there have been no houses open on Soi 7, but if any have recently reopened I'd love to check them out.

[QUOTE=Opebo]On Soi 7 you guys are finding 'take away'. Do you mean there are actual houses there you can sit and look a the girls, or that the touts you see along the street there bring girls on motorbikes for you to look at?

Over the last few years there have been no houses open on Soi 7, but if any have recently reopened I'd love to check them out.[/QUOTE]Yes I did find take away on soi 7

If you enter from the sourth of soi 7 go up about 3 to 4 soi on the left side they is a houses with about 10 girls in ther all about 18y to 22y I think.

You pick one and pay 500 they will take you and the lady to your room by motmrbike.

You may see man on right hand side of Road he will take you to see them

It have a gate that is coverd up of dry grass near the hotel on one of them left side st about 20mt down Road.

The one I did see still not have baby yet so did have a hot body 10/10.

On Friday night I drove into Khon Kaen just at midnight, just missing the Soapies - why must they close so early? Really you don't have much chance at them even an hour before their midnight closing time. The parking lot attendant at one offered me girls, but I felt discouraged and went away. Next I called a regular I met through the bus station scene, but the phone was kaput, so I went to cruise round the station.

Alas I found only about three girls around the bus station, and none at all attractive - it was such a marked change that I have to guess there has been some sort of crackdown. On previous visits I had seen at least a dozen girls and most of them very cute, though a little rough for the most part.

So, lacking any other option for anything like a reasonable price, I had to go to the soi of small brothels. I've visited this soi many times but only rarely taken, as the attitude is so unfriendly there - downright hostile. On this visit I noticed that all the houses (maybe around 6-8 houses altogether) were well staffed, with the two or three big ones having 10-12 girls, and the rest around 4-5 girls each. Many girls were quite good looking, and not old, most being about 18-25. I had a bad feeling about service, but tried one that was at least very cute and smiled (most look at a farang with dread, no smile).

Well as it turned out it was a satisfactory experience, and though low-service and a starfish, she gave me what I wanted and I was able to finish. Very nice body too - one of those Isaan/Lao types where you think the tits can't be real, they're so firm and perfect and upstanding (though not large).

The only disconcerting thing about the encounter was one of the pimp boys teased her a lot on our way to the room, and later banged on the door when she nipped back in after her little wash in the shared restroom - he was just kidding around with her, but it was pretty unprofessional. These places are like that - surprisingly cute Thai girls on offer, but way less professional and less welcoming or comfortable for the customer than the Lao staffed placed in Udon.

Total cost 600 baht plus a 200 baht tip for as-you-like-it.

Just wanted to report that when strolling I came upon around 4-5 (at least) brothels that I had never seen before, and they looked roughly the same quality level as the main well known brothel soi. I'd have to say the placed seemed a lot friendlier, though the girls were certainly no better looking and just a little older (late 20s instead of early). They quoted me 1,000 for 'massage and boom boom', to which I just walked away, and they called after me 'ok 800'. Who knows what the real price is, but anyway its there and I hope someone tries it.

These brothels are located on a soi which leads over to the Kosa/Pullman area, from Rad Nightclub. The best way I can describe it is to go to Rad, and then accross the road from Rad you will see a smallish soi. Go up this soi and you will see some brothels. If you are walking from for example Didine Restaurant or Violin Kareoke towards Rad, the soi in question will be on the left.

That visit I stopped by Kosa Soapy, where I usually don't have much luck, and chose a very good looking tall slim 23 year old for 2,000. And got what I wanted, amazingly enough (a great rarity as Kosa) - though only after going to immense amounts of trouble (seducation, titillation, argumentation, etc. - it was like a date). Plus a tip of 500 was demanded for that service. While overpriced, the girl was very very nice looking, and the sex very good and impassioned.

Found myself with time to kill in Nong Khai recently. Decided to head down to Soi Sri Boon Ruang to see if anything was happening at the brothel there. I never had success there before. Either the place was closed or I was ignored. THe problem is that I don't speak much Thai.

When I arrived this time, there were one or two women outside handing out clothes or whatever. I went up to one of the pretty ones - she had an incredible ass, one of those nice shaped ones, and reasonably big tits. She was only 21. When she spoke to me, I just murmured agreement. I pointed inside and she kinda said yes but looked up the street to the next building where there were several guys with their shirts off sitting around. She called out to them and pointed at me. One of the guys appeared to agree and I was in.

Room was about as good as it gets in such establishments. Cement block walls and a large bed - it seemed to be the girls bedroom. I had to pay the 500baht in advance. But I showed her another 200baht and said that she would get them as a tip at the end, if she was good.

Before all the cheap charlies jump in accusing me of destroying the market, let me say that I am after quality, not quantity. Normally I don't do brothels because the quality sucks big time. In any case, my strategy worked very well at least in the way of gfe - lots of passionate kissing which gets me going every time. Gave my dick a good massage too.

She was Lao (which explains the no offer of bj and why I could not even understand a word of the girls chitchat with my very limited THai). Dark skinned, natural large tits and a sunny kind of character. The only slight put-off was that I noticed while we were doing doggy that her ass had pimples and that kind of bruising that you see so often in SE Asia. She really got into it and either deserves an oscar or really got into it. At the end, with me pointing her with her heels over my shoulders, she tightened up her vagina muscles to give me the best orgasm I have had in months.

This was a really nice experience and so much better than the bar girl I picked up the previous evening for fun back at the hotel. I am not saying that the bar girl did not provide but again with no bj and she seemed to prefer that I get her off than she get me off! I paid her 700baht for an extended short-time - same as the one in the brothel.

THe problem with Nong Khai is that you can never predict outcomes when it comes to the hobby. You can find yourself wandering around with money burning a hole in your pocked and no acceptable providers available or you can find a mediocre provider or you can get really lucky and have a fantastic time.

Massage joints where before I got an extremely nice balls massage with HJ finish don't do it the next time. I even had a backup place with older ladies where I could get a 2 hour massage with boom boom but that stopped. A couple of hotels that used to have girls suddenly would not let you have a girl despite the fact that the girls were there, looking at you. And the same hotel that refused me in the past recently tried to call me in from the street while I am passing to offer me a girl. Go figure!

Nice BBBJ, cof, cim.

I have know this lady for of six months.

She did stay all night 2 nice long root's and BBBJ

And the same the next day.

Take away at soi 7

I was in Undon Thani for 1 night 2 weeks ago. It's cheaper to go Vientiane via Undon Thani on Air Asia.

Stayed at Top Mansion. Overall not bad for 370 Baht. Need to pay for internet (50 for 1 hour; 100 for day). Good location. But one of the staff pissed me off. Was shown a room on second floor. It was OK. She then gave me a key for the 4th floor; she said all the rooms on the 2nd and 3rd floor was taked/reserved. After I went to my room, I realized the bed was older. I could feel more of the springs, and the bed was sagging in the middle. I was tired and it was only for 1 night, so I stayed (I was irked, but I got more pissed off later that night when my ribs felt the metal springs). Somewhat of a bait and switch. It seems they put the newer beds on the lower floors. They have no elevators, so people reserved/get the rooms on the lower floors.

Now what really pissed me off was that clerk brought up the subject of airport transport. I said I would probably take the tuk-tuk to the airport. She then asked me if I knew how much it was. I said 80 baht (that's what the internet said). Shen then said: no no, that is way too low. If you negotiate, you can get it for 150. But only if you negotiate well. Shen then said the meter taxi is a flat 200 baht fare. I got the tuk-tuk in the morning for 80 baht. Not sure if she was that ignorant, or if she was a lying ***** trying to get a commission or work for her tuk-tuk friend. That was just a rhetorical question.

If you can't handle people trying to rip you off, then you probably shoudn't travel (especially in the third world). I would come back to the Top Mansion only if I get a room on the second floor with a decent bed. Location is good.

Nightlife:

The hotel is on a short street that has T intersections with major streets on both sides. The Central Shopping Mall is near by.

As you step out of the hotel, turn left and go to the end. Turn right, and few hundred meters? later you get to Soi 2. You turn right to Soi 2. What I expected. No A/C dirty room brothels. Talent was mostly marginal. There were 2 that were surprising cute. But of course they looked "around" 18. Next year or so, they are definitely worth 3200 baht in a Bangkok go-go bar (700 bar fine plus ST 2500 tip).

I traveled further to find Soi 7, but I couldn't find it. But didn't try too hard.

As you step out of the hotel, turn right and you will find the Day and Night open air bar complex on the same street. Not that crowded; some of the bars were closed.

Then continue to the T intersection and turn left. You see several bars. As you continue, you then see the Nutty open air bar complex.

Didn't confirm the prices in these places. Didn't partake; I don't like shack brothels and open air bars (unless I'm desperate).

[QUOTE=GreenBud]I... Now what really pissed me off was that clerk brought up the subject of airport transport. I said I would probably take the tuk-tuk to the airport. She then asked me if I knew how much it was. I said 80 baht (that's what the internet said). Shen then said: no no, that is way too low. If you negotiate, you can get it for 150. But only if you negotiate well. Shen then said the meter taxi is a flat 200 baht fare. I got the tuk-tuk in the morning for 80 baht...[/QUOTE]

I only pay 50 baht from the Central Plaza (formerly known as Charoensri Complex) to the airport via tuk-tuk (so, it should be about the same price from the Top Mansion).

With a regular meter taxi, it should not be more than 70 baht (and probably less). Minimum charge is 30 baht, but then, the total fare is very cheap. I don't know what is the exact rate per kilometer, but a friend of mine who recently had a car accident and who then used very often the local taxis never paid more than 100 baht for his longest ride.

Here are the phone numbers of the taxi service he used in Udon Thani:

- Telephone: 042-343-239
- Cellular phones: 080-0101-354, 080-0101-355, 080-0101-356

You also may find regular meter taxis at the main bus station in Udon Thani.

[QUOTE=Simian]...I had to pay the 500baht in advance. But I showed her another 200baht and said that she would get them as a tip at the end, if she was good.[/QUOTE]

Just for your information, the regular price (even for farang customers) is 300 baht in the brothels of Soi Sri Boon Ruang 2. The pimps will try to charge more than that nowadays (typically 400 baht). With 500 baht, you may have two shots or be allowed to stay a bit longer with your girl (60-90 minutes then instead of 30-45 minutes that you would get when paying 300 baht only if you are a new customer, but once you are a regular customer, they usually stop enforcing those "time limitations" then).

I also give good tips to the girls, so, I won't blame you on that point, but IMHO there is no reason to give more money than the regular price to the pimp (as the girl won't get more money on this amount then).

By the way, the quality (beauty) of the providers has slightly improved there since my previous visit, but IMHO, it's still a lot worse than two years ago in this area or than in the cheap brothels of Udon Thani nowadays, at least, in the afternoon (I went there at 4pm)...

[QUOTE=Hotshanehot]Take away at soi 7[/QUOTE]Hi Hotshanehot,

Where is Soi 7? Is it Bangkok. Pattaya. Or Udonthani?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=GreenBud]...Soi 2. What I expected. No A/C dirty room brothels. Talent was mostly marginal. There were 2 that were surprising cute. But of course they looked "around" 18. Next year or so, they are definitely worth 3200 baht in a Bangkok go-go bar (700 bar fine plus ST 2500 tip).[/quote]

Those are Lao girls, normally they don't go to Bangkok to work in go-gos. Also there is at least the one house on Soi 2 in which all rooms are air-conditioned.

[QUOTE=PauloThai]... Where is Soi 7? Is it Bangkok. Pattaya. Or Udonthani?[/QUOTE]

Hotshanehot was speaking about Adunyadet Soi 7 in Udon Thani. This area has been mentioned several times earlier in this thread, and very recently by Hotshanehot and several other ISG members (check the previous posts).

I go to Sisaket quite often and other than the train station, does anyone know of a good place to get a ST? Any soapy or oily action?

[QUOTE=Goyave]Hotshanehot was speaking about Adunyadet Soi 7 in Udon Thani. This area has been mentioned several times earlier in this thread, and very recently by Hotshanehot and several other ISG members (check the previous posts).[/QUOTE]Yes thank you.

[QUOTE=Drogue]I go to Sisaket quite often and other than the train station, does anyone know of a good place to get a ST? Any soapy or oily action?[/QUOTE]

My Thai friends report there is an 'excellent' (their word) Soapy in Surin, and nothing at all other than a few overpriced low quality rip-off Kareokes in Si Saket. I haven't been to the Soapy in Surin, but these guys know what they're talking about, its only an hour away, and I can confirm the Kareokes in Sisaket are lousy.

Udon day & night.

Last year at the fifty-fifty bar.

Mmm she was so much fun.

And was cool with the photo's just what we look for.

I was in Udon Thani earlier today and most brothels were closed. I've been told that it would last at least one week (I guess, because of the proximity with Her Majesty the Queen's birthday, on August 12th) and the local policemen are apparently enforcing this closure.

As a long-time regular in those local brothels, I was allowed to visit a few houses (the pimps saw me and opened the door for me), but I must say that only a couple of girls (if any) are available at the moment in most places.

One of my favorite establishments (for the quality of the providers working there) is currently under renovation (several workers were tiling the floor when I went there), so, no girls are working there at the moment. While I was a bit disappointed, it's good to see that the owners are improving this place, because it was one of the dirtiest brothels (but oddly enough, the girls that usually work here are among the cutest ones IMHO!) in this area.

I suppose that the situation will be back to normal in a couple of days, a bit after Her Majesty the Queen's birthday. I would suggest not to go there in the meanwhile as you will very likely be disappointed with what is available (almost nothing) at the moment.

[QUOTE=Goyave]I was in Udon Thani earlier today and most brothels were closed. I've been told that it would last at least one week (I guess, because of the proximity with Her Majesty the Queen's birthday, on August 12th) and the local policemen are apparently enforcing this closure.

As a long-time regular in those local brothels, I was allowed to visit a few houses (the pimps saw me and opened the door for me), but I must say that only a couple of girls (if any) are available at the moment in most places.

One of my favorite establishments (for the quality of the providers working there) is currently under renovation (several workers were tiling the floor when I went there), so, no girls are working there at the moment. While I was a bit disappointed, it's good to see that the owners are improving this place, because it was one of the dirtiest brothels (but oddly enough, the girls that usually work here are among the cutest ones IMHO!) in this area.

I suppose that the situation will be back to normal in a couple of days, a bit after Her Majesty the Queen's birthday. I would suggest not to go there in the meanwhile as you will very likely be disappointed with what is available (almost nothing) at the moment.[/QUOTE]What one and where is it the one geting inproving.

On the place don't know if i know it yet?

Visited round the Khon Kaen bus station ('non-air', the large 'local' bus station) at around ten PM and found plenty of girls in spite of an awful family oriented fair of some kind not far away. Good looking ones again too. The girls reported that the two weeks or so when they were not to be found was due, as I had suspected, to a police crackdown. They stipulated that if I had visited after about 1:00 AM I would have found them anyway, as in Isaan the police never stay up much after midnight (unless they're out partying/mongering themselves).

I found an old favorite and had a great time, but my Thai friend picked another at my girl's recommendation and afterward he said the service was so bad he had to send her from the room in disgust (alas paying the 500 baht anyway). Rip-off artist, essentially. This is ever and anon the problem with the cheap venue - though it may only be around 500 baht, chances are only 50/50 it will 'work'. He was chagrined he hadn't just bit the bullet and spent the 1,000-1,300 at Villa Soapy for near guaranteed decent service.

Lastly, this story, and many experiences I have had, confirm that it is almost never a good idea to accept the recommendation of anyone, provider or brother monger, on which girls to take. I've taken girls before that friends with supposedly similar taste said were great, and for whatever reason, chemistry or 'type', I had an awful time. Stick to your own first impressions, gentlemen, that's my advice.

Well,

Just back from another trip to the Kingdom I feel the urge to report on a few little somethings.

In Buriram the railway station is still Ho Central at night. On any given evening around seven pm, at least ten girls arrived on the scene. Some hanging out on the platform, some in front of the station, others at Hotel Chaijaloen, just across the street.
Asking prices 300-500B. Most will settle for B300, some for B200.

The brothels (karaoke like places) near the Siam Hotel where quite busy to, even in the afternoons. They still want B600, but were very vague on ST or LT...

For some years, the Hotel Nivas was empty as far as hookers were concerned, but this July and August at least two holed up in that B80 a night Gem of the Isaan. They started at B300, but took B200 with a smile.

Orther news on Buriram hotels: The Thai Hotel has reopend after half a year of reconstruction. I really only saw changes on the ground floor and the first staircase going up. A basic fan room, quite nice and pretty large, is B220. Add B30 for TV. Aircon would be B400-450, but I didn't ask. Sorry!

Ah, Korat! What can I say. The Park was packed with hookers from 7.30 monring till at least 2 am the next day. Some new ones want B500, but I don't think they get much business. All will go for B300, some for B200.

In Pilok the hookers still are at London Hotel, the PanSomBat (9 am-5 pm on the first floor, after 5 pm right outside) and all around the block. After a couple of days I ran into my favorite lady and that spelled the end of my relationships with the other ones. Most want B300, but all settle for B200 plus the room (mostly B50 ST).

Now I'm tired.

Freeler

[QUOTE=Freeler]Well,

Just back from another trip to the Kingdom I feel the urge to report on a few little somethings.

In Buriram the railway station is still Ho Central at night. On any given evening around seven pm, at least ten girls arrived on the scene. Some hanging out on the platform, some in front of the station, others at Hotel Chaijaloen, just across the street.
Asking prices 300-500B. Most will settle for B300, some for B200.

The brothels (karaoke like places) near the Siam Hotel where quite busy to, even in the afternoons. They still want B600, but were very vague on ST or LT...

For some years, the Hotel Nivas was empty as far as hookers were concerned, but this July and August at least two holed up in that B80 a night Gem of the Isaan. They started at B300, but took B200 with a smile.

Orther news on Buriram hotels: The Thai Hotel has reopend after half a year of reconstruction. I really only saw changes on the ground floor and the first staircase going up. A basic fan room, quite nice and pretty large, is B220. Add B30 for TV. Aircon would be B400-450, but I didn't ask. Sorry!

Ah, Korat! What can I say. The Park was packed with hookers from 7.30 monring till at least 2 am the next day. Some new ones want B500, but I don't think they get much business. All will go for B300, some for B200.

In Pilok the hookers still are at London Hotel, the PanSomBat (9 am-5 pm on the first floor, after 5 pm right outside) and all around the block. After a couple of days I ran into my favorite lady and that spelled the end of my relationships with the other ones. Most want B300, but all settle for B200 plus the room (mostly B50 ST).

Now I'm tired.

Freeler[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the price report. How was the quality?

Amjeck,

I'll be back!
But I must admit, I've gathered a flock that I stick to and I don't bother with new ones unless I have to. (FFF is only for newbies).

F:)

Amjeck, you know if you have hopes of high quality in terms of appearance and youth, you can find it at the 500 baht level in Isaan but only very, very rarely, or only reliably in the Lao venues. I have had some very cute 20ish girls at the bus station in Khon Kaen and in the brothel soi in Khon Kaen, but the great majority not so great, and in general service is poor. At the 300 baht level in southern Isaan that Freeler discusses, I have never seen anything I would describe as good quality - at best average looking and a bit rough-around-the-edges as we say.

If you are willing to pay around 1,000-2,500 baht you can have very high quality up here - it is very much a two tiered market. All my Thai friends consider 1,000 per session (1 hour) the norm or standard they shoot for - they consider that a good deal for good quality - and eschew the low end entirely.

Freeler, I also stick to regulars about 90% of the time now, and I think this is testimony to the general lack of high quality or good service in provincial venues - on the rare occasions you find a good one, you really have to keep in touch with her.

Drogue,

From the railway station platform, cross the tracks, go South past the flag post, cross the road, keep going, go straight ahead at the next crossing and then make a left.
You'll find a snooker hall, and two massage/karaoke places.
Or ask one of the friendly sam lor guys to show you around. 50B for a small tour should do.

A PM pointed out to me that not every one is familiar with the term "sam lor".
That's a "three wheel" or a bicycle taxi...

Sorry if anyone lost any sleep over that one:(

Visited the Lao Brothels across from the CAT compound, have the prices increased.....

Today I got charged 400 baht, even after indicating I know it's normally 300.

Anyway, picked a cutie girl (mid-twenties, 5 feet, small tits though very nice, and skinny.....maybe 42 kilos).

Covered BJ (atleast I got one, not a norm on this soi), and multiple positions and she even took me to the bath area and washed me down.

Still a deal at 400 baht, worked out as the service was good and I only tipped her 100 baht. For the service received I'd of tipped 200 baht anyway.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Visited the Lao Brothels across from the CAT compound, have the prices increased.

Today I got charged 400 baht, even after indicating I know it's normally 300.

Anyway, picked a cutie girl (mid-twenties, 5 feet, small tits though very nice, and skinny. Maybe 42 kilos).

Covered BJ (atleast I got one, not a norm on this soi), and multiple positions and she even took me to the bath area and washed me down.

Still a deal at 400 baht, worked out as the service was good and I only tipped her 100 baht. For the service received I'd of tipped 200 baht anyway.[/QUOTE]Hey what time of day did you go there.

Visited around 1 PM.

Thai friends just returned from Udon, where they report having found the Sois closed by a police crackdown. They said Soi 2 was closed completely, and in Soi Sow Fie Dang they had to choose the girls from photos - the pimps said the girls were at a hidden location. The girls were then delivered to their hotel, but didn't look like the photos. They also said the pimps reported that the crackdown had been going on for nearly a month.

I haven't been there to confirm, just throwing this out there to see if anyone has checked. I'm putting off visiting until I hear something positive.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Thai friends just returned from Udon, where they report having found the Sois closed by a police crackdown. They said Soi 2 was closed completely, and in Soi Sow Fie Dang they had to choose the girls from photos - the pimps said the girls were at a hidden location. The girls were then delivered to their hotel, but didn't look like the photos. They also said the pimps reported that the crackdown had been going on for nearly a month.

I haven't been there to confirm, just throwing this out there to see if anyone has checked. I'm putting off visiting until I hear something positive.[/QUOTE]
Any update on this situation in Udon?

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Any update on this situation in Udon?[/QUOTE]

No, alas. We're waiting for news before we go again. We were just talking about it tonight - frustrating. If anyone out there has anything, please post.

I have been in Khon Kaen recently, however, where I found the bus station scene also still mostly shut down until around midnight, with lots of police on motorbikes and one van. After midnight just a few girls around, no quality. I visited the brothel ('kareoke') soi, but the girl I had before wasn't there. Closing out that late night search I stopped at the two very cheap hotels about a block north of Roma Hotel on the opposite side of the street, where I saw one old bag offering herself for 400 baht. I was slightly tempted, but she immediately started talking about a condom!

Earlier in the day I had visited all three Soapies, but as usual at Ceasar I was met with the hard sell by the pimp-guys - they pushed a dark-skinned girl on me. The place is very annoying - they keep asking you if you want to the trashiest, darkest-skinned girl in the lineup to sit with you, repeatedly. I always say no, but when I sit without making any quick decision (normally I sit a few minutes, taking my time, as is the norm for Thai customers) they call her over anyway, and I have to reject her. I guess they assume the farang will either like this type of girl, or will just give in rather than face the embarrassment of sending her back and asking for another one. This time I just left once I got rid of her, not wishing to deal with them any further. The girl even had the temerity to ask for a 'tip' for the brief sitting together! That place has become terrible.

Thankfully neither Villa nor Kosa has adopted this repulsive high-pressure policy of disrespect. At Villa I tried a very nice looking slim girl of around 22, but the service was basic and I couldn't persuade her, and had to finish by HJ/bbbj.

Contrary to the usual, it was at Kosa (the next day) where I got 'good service', without even asking - just popped it right in. The girl, a cute, short 23 year old from the 'Chiang Rai' seemed very horny and kissed me a lot (I never initiate this action). Alas, though she allowed entry 'the way we like it', I could only get in as far as the head! The girl had an absurdly small vagina, and with the in-and-out being only about an inch I couldn't get off, even sans preservatif. Finally I had to resort to a handjob to completion, though she did also give a very good bbbj.

Costs for two days:

Bike rental - 200 baht
Hotel - 300 baht
girls - 3,500 baht
Foods - 500 baht
Total - 4,500 baht.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Any update on this situation in Udon?[/QUOTE]

Sorry, guys, I have been pretty busy in the past weeks and did not have much time to post any report here.

Anyway, here is a report about the current situation in Udon Thani regarding the brothels of Adunyadet Soi 2 and of Soi Fai Deng.

[b]Adunyadet Soi 2:[/b] Almost all brothels of this soi are apparently closed, at least, in the afternoon (I seldom visit those brothels at night nowadays because I am usually expected and "taken care of" at home then!). In fact, at least two pimps were there when I visited this soi a few days ago. The first pimp (a young Thai guy in his early twenties) wanted to charge me 500 baht and he was supposed to deliver me a girl on his motorbike after I've informed him about my desiderata and to carry us (the "chosen" girl and me) to a short time hotel for this amount (not including the price of the room: 190 baht according to him). I declined for several reasons: firstly, I like to choose the girls by myself (preferably after seeing them with my eyes in real life), secondly, in this area, I've used to pay 400 baht only (on premises) for years (and in the previous month too), thirdly, I know the short time hotel where he wanted to bring us and the regular price there for a 2 hour-stay is actually 100 baht only (250 baht for the whole night), not 190 baht! I would have given him a tip for the transportation if he had been honest, but as he was not and because he tried to overcharge me in two different ways (for the girl and hotel room ST rates), I did not make any deal with the first pimp.

The second pimp was a middle-aged Thai guy. First thing I checked with him was the price and he agreed to charge me the "regular" rate for Farang customers in this establishment (400 baht for a ST session on premises). He opened the door of his brothel for me and I entered to check the local talent available at this place. At that time of the day, it was not great, alas: just four girls, and only one that I would qualify as "doable" (at least, if you are as sober as I was then). A (relatively) dark-skinned (I prefer them with a fairer complexion usually) Lao 19-year old girl, a bit taller than average, a forgettable face, but a nice body (firm C-cup boobs and beautiful legs). Alas, the service provided was poor, despite promising her a decent tip if her performance was satisfactory. It was not (it seems that she allows only classic missionary and doggy style positions: no blowjob, no DATY, no cowgirl, no anal...), and I won't repeat (at least with her).

By the way, I also recently checked the place that I've mentioned earlier in this thread and which is located on the first sub-soi that makes the junction between Adunyadet Soi 3 and Soi 4, but it was closed when I went there and no mamasan, papasan or pimp in the area then.

[b]Soi Fai Deng:[/b] I've been there earlier today (no, yesterday as it's already past midnight in the Land of Smiles!) at (approximately) 17:00 (5 pm) and about half of the brothels were apparently closed then. The regular price for Farang customers in this area is still 300 baht for a ST session on premises, despite what is said in a previous report written by Mosquito2002. I've noticed several modus operandi in the "apparently closed" places. A couple of them are really closed since mid-August 2010! At some other ones, a pimp / mamasan / papasan might open their door and let you get in when they see you (and if they know you) or if you are a regular customer, they will tell you the names of the available girls and bring the one you chose at their place or with you to a short time hotel nearby (again, on their motorbike): in the latter case, it's usually 100 baht more only for the room at the ST hotel (the regular rate is usually mentioned on the door of the room).

There is one place (actually, the papasan manages girls working in at least two adjacent "houses"), where the guy in charge might show you about 15 photos (that's if you don't know already the name of the girl that you want to choose) in order to help you to select your provider. The pictures are small (passport photo size) and as often in Thailand, a little bit "improved". I wouldn't say that they are heavily doctored with Photoshop or a similar software, but looking at them, you might think that the complexion of the girls is fairer and that their skin is better than in the real life. And you cannot see their body on these pictures. I don't think that the girls provided are not the same than what is shown on photos, but I am not surprised to read in Opebo's previous report in this thread that they "don't look like the photos". Indeed, these photos may be misleading.

In conclusion, fun still can be had in the Udon Thani brothels nowadays, but it's a lot more haphazard and adventurous than previously (it's more difficult to find what you want if you are not a regular customer) and many establishments are closed or do not provide as many girls than in the (recent) past at the moment.

[QUOTE=Goyave]

In conclusion, fun still can be had in the Udon Thani brothels nowadays, but it's a lot more haphazard and adventurous than previously (it's more difficult to find what you want if you are not a regular customer) and many establishments are closed or do not provide as many girls than in the (recent) past at the moment.[/QUOTE]
What's the reason for the closures and do any of the locals know how long it will last?

[QUOTE=Amjeck]What's the reason for the closures and do any of the locals know how long it will last?[/QUOTE]

I don't know exactly, but it might be related with this year's police reshuffle. I've heard of various durations for the (semi) closure since mid-August this year, but hopefully, it should not be long now before the situation is back to normal. I will inform this board and post an update when it is the case.

[QUOTE=Hotshanehot]What one and where is it the one geting inproving.

On the place don't know if i know it yet?[/QUOTE]


Sorry for the late reply, Hotshanehot. I've been pretty busy last month and I'm just starting to read and answer to the posts that I've missed in the past weeks.

Anyway, don't expect too much about the renovation work done in this brothel. It's a little bit better than in the past, but they only tiled the floor (which is now very slippery on rainy days because the roof is leaky!) and repainted the walls. It's still far than being even remotely as "comfortable" than, for instance, the place mentioned in this earlier report: [post]1018797[/post]

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Visited the Lao Brothels across from the CAT compound, have the prices increased.....

Today I got charged 400 baht, even after indicating I know it's normally 300...[/QUOTE]

As mentioned in a recent post, the regular price is still 300 baht for a ST session on premises in the brothels of this area (Soi Fai Deng).

The best thing to do (IMHO) when visiting these establishments is to directly give the regular amount (300 baht) to the girl of your choice (who then will give it to the papasan or mamasan herself). You are then acting just like a regular customer who knows what is the standard price. If the papasan or mamasan intervenes and asks for more money than the regular price, stay polite, smile and explain that you know that it's 300 baht here (again, on premises) for Farang customers. If the person in charge insists to make you pay more than the regular price, just keep your money and (start to) go in another brothel. Usually, you would not have to go to another place: just pretending to go elsewhere should suffice and the papasan or mamasan, provided that you've stayed polite and smiling during this short discussion, will (almost certainly) conclude the deal with you at the regular price. If not, go elsewhere.

There is absolutely no reason to overpay (even 100 baht only) as the girl servicing you won't get more money. It's better to give her a higher tip (if she deserves it) than "penalize" her because the papasan or mamasan managed to charge you more than the regular price for the deed.

I visited the P.P. Hotel's Kareoke, where I found that on the ground floor there is a restaurant/bar, on the third floor one of those pointless empty kareokes (the kind without hostesses, that is actually for singing), and finally on the fourth floor I saw the hostesses. They were very attractive but when my farang friend and I asked for more information they couldn't really understand us, nor could I understand their reply, but they didn't give us any girls. My best guess as to what they were talking about was that maybe all the girls were already assigned to guys in rooms or were out working. The few we did see passing from room to room were extremely attractive - roughly the level of the Cleo kareoke in Pullman hotel. No idea what the price is, though some have told me its less than the super-high priced Cleo and Violin (2,000 baht short time, 500 or 600 baht barfine).

I also happened to see quite a few very sexy hi-so hooker types in the parking lot, dressed to the nines in skimpy frocks. They were friendly enough, and smiled at us and were willing to chat a little. They said they worked at the hostess bar in Khon Kaen hotel (Harem), but when we asked 'how much' and if they go to hotel with man they wouldn't say specifically. The is the frustration of the non-farang oriented experience. Things tend to be like pulling teeth, and high-end prostitutes might as well be ordinary girls considering how difficult they are to approach.

I ended up calling a girl from Kosa Soapy who'd given me her number - a very attractive slim 23 year old - but she insisted on 2,000 baht same as at the Soapy, to come to my room. I did it as it was at least bb, but the service was just so-so. Anyway a creampie with a pretty girl is worth quite a bit, I guess.

Late the next evening - around eleven PM - I went to the bus station where I found the scene back in swing, with many attractive 20ish girls having returned as well as the few ladyboys and older, uglier girls who had remained during the crackdown. Prices are still actually 500 baht for Thais, and a little more for farang. I took an old regular and received great service with extras for 1,000.

Two days budget:
Hotel 500
food/bev 1,000
girls 3,000
Total - 4,500

[QUOTE=Opebo]...I also happened to see quite a few very sexy hi-so hooker types in the parking lot, dressed to the nines in skimpy frocks...[/QUOTE]
Wow!!! ... high society hookers working in parking lots ... you just never know what you're going to encounter in Thailand ...

Is there any massage parlours in the city of Chaiyaphum worth looking at?

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Wow!!! ... high society hookers working in parking lots ... you just never know what you're going to encounter in Thailand ...[/QUOTE]

They weren't working the parking lot - they were leaving either from the hotel or the nightspot. I suppose I should have said 'high end' anyway - they were the type of girls who, if they would even go with a farang, would probably quote 3-4 thousand baht.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Any update on this situation in Udon?[/QUOTE]I was there about 3 weeks ago or so, just when they had closed. I found it rather amusing. Adulyadej was completely black with nobody about. But Soi Fai Deng, although also black, had guys in front of every house coming out to show you the photos on a keychain with a flashlight! One guy showed me a girl whom he said was beautiful and very dark. I laughed and told him that in the picture she looked very white, and he replied that the girls didn't look like they did in the pictures!! Went to the next house and saw a girl that in the photo made me guess she was a bit plump. Pimp told me no, and then ushered me in to the house to show her, and she sure wasn't. It seemed like business as usual but just with all the lights turned off and a heck of a lot more secrecy.

Any reports on any MP or house in Nong Khai worth going to? Karaoke or anything else worthwhile. I promise pictures.

[QUOTE=Fred Gold]Any reports on any MP or house in Nong Khai worth going to? Karaoke or anything else worthwhile. I promise pictures.[/QUOTE]

I would not put Nong Khai as a place for massage with FS. I have had extras at a couple of places but the quality in terms of looks, way of doing and facilities left a lot to be desired. And sometimes the same place that has extras one week won't have them the next week.

There are a few bars on the road parallel to the river and a few bars nearby - best go around by motorbike to find the outlying places. Again, the quality is hit and miss as regards the ladies - in terms of looks and quality of experiences.

There are a couple of brothels around but then the quality is not high. I went to the place mentioned in this forum earlier - it is on a soi beyond the bus station between two main roads parallel to the river and it has an archway over the soi entrance (sorry can't remember the name of the soi but RTF). Several times I had an ok time, several times the place was closed, several times I was not welcome. So go figure.

Another place which I never tried is a kind of run-down hotel near the entrance to the market, almost opposite the german style restaurant. A couple of times when I tried to partake, I was refused entry. And another time when I was not looking for anything, they tried to invite me off the street.

There is a place with girls that I never tried - I think it is called the Jungle Bar. And I seem to remember that a few hotels have karaokee - you need some transport to get around to them as Nong Khai is a bit spread out.

Nong Khai is not monger central - but if you get to know a local who has a motor bike or you rent one, you can get lucky. And it would really help if you could speak Thai or Issaan.

[QUOTE=Fred Gold]Any reports on any MP or house in Nong Khai worth going to? Karaoke or anything else worthwhile. I promise pictures.[/QUOTE]

The only place that might be worth visiting (IMHO) in Nong Khai (if you speak some Thai) is a pick-up joint located near a parking lot on Soi Sukpracha. It's on the left side of the soi when you are coming from Meechai Road and going to Prajak Road.

It opens only after the night has fallen (I would recommend to visit this place between 9 and 10 pm approximately). There is usually about a dozen of very cute Lao girls there (usually much more beautiful than the ones working nowadays in the brothels of [url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=104377"]soi Sri Boon Ruang 2[/url]). You can't do the deed on premises there, so, you will need a room (your own, or in a short time hotel).

Prices are 500-700 baht ST, depending on your negotiation skills and on the good will of the person in charge (according to my own experience, it's easier to get a good deal with the middle-aged mamasan than with one of the young male pimps) when you visit this place.

Service provided is not always great with those girls (more often than not), but usually, they are very attractive and have nicer clothes than the providers working in the cheap brothels or in the local bars.

Nowadays, most of the girls working in the cheap brothels of Sri Boon Ruang 2 and of Meechai Road (near the Wat Sri Boon Ruang) are not very attractive and few of them provide a decent service. It's still very cheap (300 baht ST, even if they try to charge 400 baht or more to new Farang customers, 300 baht is still the regular price) there, but you might be very disappointed by what is on offer there (look-wise).

The Farang-oriented bar scene is (IMHO, again) even more depressing! Only older and less attractive girls (who try to charge their customers much more money than what they would pay in the cheap brothels to fuck younger providers) are available there.

The situation is now (almost) back to normal in the brothels of Soi Fai Deng (Udon Thani). Apparently, two houses were still closed on my latest visit earlier today (well, yesterday, as it's past midnight now in the Land of Smiles), but this soi is worth visiting again (IMHO) from now on.

I haven't checked recently the brothels located in the Adunyadet area, but I should be able to do so in a couple of days (probably on this Saturday night) and will keep you informed subsequently.

[QUOTE=Goyave]The only place that might be worth visiting (IMHO) in Nong Khai (if you speak some Thai) is a pick-up joint located near a parking lot on Soi Sukpracha. It's on the left side of the soi when you are coming from Meechai Road and going to Prajak Road.

It opens only after the night has fallen (I would recommend to visit this place between 9 and 10 pm approximately). There is usually about a dozen of very cute Lao girls there (usually much more beautiful than the ones working nowadays in the brothels of [url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=104377"]soi Sri Boon Ruang 2[/url]). You can't do the deed on premises there, so, you will need a room (your own, or in a short time hotel).

Prices are 500-700 baht ST, depending on your negotiation skills and on the good will of the person in charge (according to my own experience, it's easier to get a good deal with the middle-aged mamasan than with one of the young male pimps) when you visit this place.

Service provided is not always great with those girls (more often than not), but usually, they are very attractive and have nicer clothes than the providers working in the cheap brothels or in the local bars.

Nowadays, most of the girls working in the cheap brothels of Sri Boon Ruang 2 and of Meechai Road (near the Wat Sri Boon Ruang) are not very attractive and few of them provide a decent service. It's still very cheap (300 baht ST, even if they try to charge 400 baht or more to new Farang customers, 300 baht is still the regular price) there, but you might be very disappointed by what is on offer there (look-wise).

The Farang-oriented bar scene is (IMHO, again) even more depressing! Only older and less attractive girls (who try to charge their customers much more money than what they would pay in the cheap brothels to fuck younger providers) are available there.[/QUOTE]

Many thanks, Mr G. I did not know about the pick-up joint you mention. I don't speak much Thai but maybe will try it out the next time I come through in a few months. Your other observations about Sri Boon Ruang and the bar scene in NK are absolutely correct but just occasionally you get a kinda looker with a few ok skills.

Situation is definitely back to normal on Soi Fai Deng (Udon Thani), but alas, it is not yet the case for the brothels located in the Adunyadet area. I've checked this area two times since I posted my previous report, and most establishments are really closed there, while a couple of them (I have actually visited 3 different houses in this area in these last few days) are just "apparently" closed, but a pimp / mamasan or papasan may let you get in when you approach their establishment. Sadly, I must say that it's not the best houses that are accessible there and the quality of the providers available is (on average) much lower than in the past months there. And while the regular price for the foreigners is still 400 baht ST in the accessible brothels of this area, some pimps are now trying harder to get 500 baht from us, even if they probably don't have much customers at the moment (Thai economics at its best: less customers, therefore, the prices increase!).

IMHO, the Adunyadet area is really disappointing and not worth visiting nowadays. Fortunately, Soi Fai Deng is full of cute Lao girls and also a bit cheaper (300 baht ST for foreigners), so, it is (again IMHO) at the moment and by far, the best area for our hobby in Udon Thani.

Well, I am going to take a 5 day trip to either Udon or Khon Kaen. Just wondered what you guys would choose if you had a gun to your head

I have been to both before and I am pretty comfortable in Udon but it has been 2 years since I was there, and the reports suggest the times they are a changing.

Basically I am looking to play 3 rounds of golf over the trip, shag once each day. Massage with happy ending each day, and a few quiet beers in the evenings. For about 3000 all up per day.

Loved the look of this place in Udon BTW. Any reviews of it?

[url]http://sooksantmansion.hong-pak.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Natural Relief]Basically I am looking to play 3 rounds of golf over the trip, shag once each day. Massage with happy ending each day, and a few quiet beers in the evenings. For about 3000 all up per day.[/QUOTE]

That will be a very tight budget for doing all those things in Khon Kaen. Soapies are 1,000-2,200, girls at the shabby houses are 500-600 for bad, rushed service, and about the same, maybe 500-800, for the girls at the bus station, if they're available, with very poor service in most cases. I rarely go in for massage and happy ending but that has to be at least 700-800 baht all in I'm guessing, and I've mostly been refused when I've asked for a happy ending at the massage joints ('we don't do that here, only massage'). Very basic hotels are still around 500 baht per night.

On the whole Udon is better if the houses happen to be open when you're there, but there's no guarantee they will be.

[QUOTE=Natural Relief]Well, I am going to take a 5 day trip to either Udon or Khon Kaen. Just wondered what you guys would choose if you had a gun to your head

I have been to both before and I am pretty comfortable in Udon but it has been 2 years since I was there, and the reports suggest the times they are a changing.

Basically I am looking to play 3 rounds of golf over the trip, shag once each day. Massage with happy ending each day, and a few quiet beers in the evenings. For about 3000 all up per day.

Loved the look of this place in Udon BTW. Any reviews of it?

[url]http://sooksantmansion.hong-pak.com/[/url][/QUOTE]I have been there it nice place,

If you go back about 6 month's you will see it in one of my old reports.

Photo's of the lady's wher in that hotel.

I think it was only 350 tb per night?

[QUOTE=Natural Relief]... Loved the look of this place in Udon BTW. Any reviews of it?

[url]http://sooksantmansion.hong-pak.com/[/url][/QUOTE]

Hotshanehot, a fellow senior ISG member, stayed at this hotel a few months ago and he was apparently quite satisfied: it is, according to him, a cheap, nice and clean accommodation.

Its location is usually quite good in Udon Thani because it is almost in the middle of a red-light district area (Adunyadet), alas, most of the brothels in this area are closed at the moment, so, while still convenient, it is not as advantageous as it was previously in this respect.

But fun can still be had elsewhere in Udon Thani, for instance in the cheap brothels of Soi Fai Deng (300 baht ST on premises there). There is also a Farang-oriented bar scene, but it is (IMHO) not very interesting (older and less attractive girls on average than those available in the cheap brothels) and can not compare (it's an understatement) with what is available in Bangkok or Pattaya, for instance.

About the golf courses near Udon Thani, you may want to read the following thread from a local forum: [url]http://www.udonmap.com/udonthaniforum/best-golf-courses-udon-thani-t1456.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Hotshanehot]I have been there it nice place...[/QUOTE]

Hello, Hotshanehot! It seems that your post was delayed (which is rather unusual for a senior member) as I did not see it when I submitted my own response yesterday.

[QUOTE=Goyave]Hello, Hotshanehot! It seems that your post was delayed (which is rather unusual for a senior member) as I did not see it when I submitted my own response yesterday.[/QUOTE]Yer,

I did see that I did add the Report on Saturday.

Yes I'm actually touting a place. This was one of the four old Soapies of Khon Kaen - Villa, Kosa, Ceasar, and last and least, Lilly. Then it closed down for a few months, apparently out of business. Now however it has re-opened, with the same large staff of not-attractive girls in the massage section, but with several real cuties in the Soapy section (the mammasan calls them 'sideliners'). As you may know from my previous reports, the regular massage girls do take you to Soapy-style rooms for the massage, but they actually try to give you a massage, and everything else is a-la-carte.

I tried one of the new sideliners, at the 1,700 baht level, and she was extremely cute, fresh, and amazingly gave good service in bed - 'GFE' really. Oddly enough she had no idea what she was supposed to do in the tub - She said she'd only been working a week and I guess no one had trained her. I had to give a rather outrageous tip for having things [i]my[/i] way, but for those who want just regular service, 1,700 is comparable to Kosa or Ceasar, and the girls seemed cuter. However there are never more than 3-4 as far as I've seen. Go give this place a chance - I hate to see any Soapy close down, as I've never actually seen a brand new one open in all the years I've been in Thailand.

In other news I went last week to good old reliable Villa, and had tip-top service but only decent looks for 1,300. Always a nice place.

Yesterday I was in Khorat for probably the first time in 9 months. I visited the "Park" at lunchtime. There were probably around a dozen girls available, but the quality was somewhat poorer than in the past. Whilst I was there a fight developed between 1 working girl and a gang of others, and the language and tones were very coarse.

I passed on an encounter, and instead amused myself watching the many rats that were at the waters edge - never having seen them on numerous previous visits.

Initial Warning, as we're getting more info on this individual. Just a warning to beware of a White, English Speaking (British/South African Acsent), 5' 7-8" tall, 78-80kilos, goatie, claims to be Scotish, likes to play golf (10-12 handicap), passed himself off as a pilot for Emirates Airlines.

He departed Udon Thani around Friday, 5 Nov after borrowing around 50K baht (maybe more).

Not sure if he's just on vacation (making the rounds to rip-off people in different locations in Thailand) or if he's actually living here now.

Waiting for a copy of his passport, but he went by Jamie Milner here in Udon.

Once I get more info (mainly passport info), I'll post an update. Figured 2 days outta Udon, he might have already found another target in another part of Thailand.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002]Initial Warning, as we're getting more info on this individual. Just a warning to beware of a White, English Speaking (British/South African Acsent), 5' 7-8" tall, 78-80kilos, goatie. [/QUOTE]

This is off-topic, but please amuse us with the story. How did you meet him, how did he spin his tale to get 50.000 baht?

If we issued warnings about every known lowlife trying to nick some money, the list would be rather long.

sorry mosquito - but the sucker was YOU.

Unless I KNOW (as in "back home") the person, they'd be hard pressed to get FIVE B out of me let alone 50K. What was he offering - penile lengthening meds? ROFLMFAO!! Was PT Barnum correct?

Yes, my fault............I actually on lost (stupidly) 12 of the estimated 50K. The remaining amount is from 2-3 other individuals.

Already made my New Years resolution, no more lending money to anyone....at least nothing over 100 baht.

To my defense, this individual did get verification/backing from someone that I've known for over 2 years. In the long run, it was definitely my fault.

I hadn't visited Udon in a long while, perhaps six months, and I was happy to find Soi 2 open for business, though some houses are shuttered. As far as I could tell we're down to just two cheaper houses and the one fancier one, and the prices I was quoted (500 at the cheaper ones and 800 at the nicer one) were not negotiable. I even called my Thai friends to check before taking, and they confirmed they were charged these higher prices. Selection was very good at the higher-end house and great at the cheaper house futher down the main soi. Only three girls at the first house though, so maybe its about to go next. One wonders how much longer the soi will last with so few houses remaining. Eventually nothing will be left.

My real shock came when I visited Soi Sow Fie Dang. It is not only completely shut down, there was a kind permanent street-food party set up down the soi, complete with a kind of police line fence at the head of the soi. Obviously the intent was to finally shut down the soi for all time, and it seems to be working. Some guy walked up to me and showed me some photos of girls, but obviously I wasn't interested in that. No wonder the prices have shot up at Soi 2 as the price leader, Soi Sow Fie Dang, is wiped off the map. I doubt we'll be seeing Lao girls available to us much longer, guys.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1107056]... My real shock came when I visited Soi Sow Fie Dang. It is not only completely shut down, there was a kind permanent street-food party set up down the soi, complete with a kind of police line fence at the head of the soi...[/QUOTE]

The same thing happened there last year (though a bit earlier) in December and it didn't last more than a week. I believe that it was the funeral party of one "papasan" then, because I never saw the old chap afterwards (maybe it is now the one-year anniversary party of the guy's death). I would not worry too much about that and the very recent semi-closure of this soi is probably just temporary. I've been pretty busy on other matters since my latest visit there which occurred just a few days before Christmas (situation was normal then and the price was still 300 baht on premises), but I should be able to check this area tomorrow and again in a couple of days.

The price rise in the Adunyadet red district is not related with the temporary semi-closure of Soi Fai Deng. It occurred at least one month earlier. I had to go to France recently for a little bit more than one month and came back at the end of November. Prior to my sojourn abroad, I was still charged 400 baht only (mid-October this year) in most brothels of this area, but when I came back and visited Adunyadet Soi 2, I was quoted 500 baht in the then (it was at 5pm approximately) three opened establishments of this small street, but it was by pimps that I never have seen before. I went to another brothel of this district (located between the sois 3 and 4), and was first quoted 500 baht there by the person in charge at that time of the day (again, a guy that I haven't met before), but was able to pay only 400 baht because one of the working girls knows me and confirmed that I was a long time customer. Of course, I choose her and she got a better tip.

It seems that it's getting more and more difficult even for me, who is a regular customer of those establishments since year 2002, to pay less than 500 baht on premises even in the cheapest brothels of the Adunyadet red district, and I haven't seen any of the older mamasans and papasans there recently, but only new faces and younger pimps. Maybe a change of ownership occurred during the previous closure some time ago, hence the new people in charge and inflated prices?

Anyway, it was still 300 baht (for a very similar quality of providers than in the 500-baht establishments of Adunyadet) in Soi Fai Deng last week, and hopefully, the semi-closure of this soi won't last very long.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1107056]... My real shock came when I visited Soi Sow Fie Dang. It is not only completely shut down, there was a kind permanent street-food party set up down the soi, complete with a kind of police line fence at the head of the soi...[/QUOTE]I visited Soi Fai Deng earlier today (at 4pm approximately), and all the brothels of this soi were open then. I saw the remains of the party (no police line fence, though some stalls were still there), but it (the party) was clearly ending. So, business is back to normal there, and I had a ST session with a young Lao girl for the usual 300 baht in one of the fine establishments of this soi.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1107289]I had a ST session with a young Lao girl for the usual 300 baht in one of the fine establishments of this soi.[/QUOTE]I don't think that 300thb and Fine establishment go together. .

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1107305]I don't think that 300thb and Fine establishment go together. .[/QUOTE]I did not write "luxury", but anyway, I consider that those are perfectly fine places, not because of the environment per se, but because of the gems that one may find there. ;)

[QUOTE=Goyave;1107319]I did not write "luxury", but anyway, I consider that those are perfectly fine places, not because of the environment per se, but because of the gems that one may find there. ;)[/QUOTE]I like those houses very much, of course, but in fairness I think one has to say that the 'gems' are mixed with many, many bad ones. I just came from there myself, and I also had a slim Lao for 300, but the service was almost comically bad. No BJ, and though service was provided 'as I liked it', she wouldn't open her legs properly, and was terribly defensive of her personal space. She was a tiny little thing, but she kept trying to shove me around. The whole thing was the antithesis of sexy. Essentially an obviously adversarial ordeal rather than an attempt to provide a pleasurable service. So, after a while I just left without finishing. This was in stark contrast to the acceptable service I had earlier in the evening on Soi 2 (still far, far below what I get in Pattaya, but enough to finish me off).

Basically one has to figure one is doing great if one can get satisfaction in these sois 50% of the time, so the 'real' price is more like 600 in Sow Fie Dang and 1, 000-1, 600 in Soi 2. Of course that's still reasonable considering how good looking the girls are.

In other news, and regarding more 'luxurious' places, I did go take a look at Osgar Soapy and the other one near there, at the Udon Hotel. In both the selection of girls was very limited and mediocre at 8 PM, and prices ranged from 1, 400-1, 800.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1107350]I like those houses very much, of course, but in fairness I think one has to say that the 'gems' are mixed with many, many bad ones...

... Basically one has to figure one is doing great if one can get satisfaction in these sois 50% of the time...[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Of course, I have a better satisfaction rate than that in the long term because I visit those places regularly and frequently, so, I have found where the gems are located, but it's not always an easy task for the occasional visitor.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1107359]Agreed. Of course, I have a better satisfaction rate than that in the long term because I visit those places regularly and frequently, so, I have found where the gems are located, but it's not always an easy task for the occasional visitor.[/QUOTE]So true! A few months ago walking up the Adulayadet Soi 2 at 4 PM and found nothing, apart from a pimp at the end of the soi offering me 2 very ugly young girls. The house opposite the construction factory looked promising but no action at all. In Soi 7 saw some sort of motels with curtains but no girls around. One small sort of a bar, or livingroom? With 3 girls, ugly again. So back to irish clock for a beer and a nap. Later at night spotted some already occupied, good looking girls in Day & Night. So in the end an early night for a flight with the never come back airline.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1107350]The whole thing was the antithesis of sexy. Essentially an obviously adversarial ordeal rather than an attempt to provide a pleasurable service. [/QUOTE]I've never been to these parts so can't really judge, but for 300 measly baht, you clearly can't expect her to give you Tulip Service and smile when you CIM right?

These can't be Sexy, Service oriented places but rather "come in and cum quick" with a starfish.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1107447]I've never been to these parts so can't really judge, but for 300 measly baht, you clearly can't expect her to give you Tulip Service and smile when you CIM right? ...[/QUOTE]
Well, I've already had several times the same level of service (than in Tulip, Mango, Snow White or the likes) with various providers in those brothels, but I reckon that it's rather the exception than the general rule. Actually, the difficult part is to find "all-in-one" packages! However, you can find for instance a "swallower" in one establishment, a real stunner in another one, an anal queen in a third one, etc. It's true that more often than not, the occasional visitor ends up with a young, cute and rather inexperienced starfish, but not always.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1107460]Well, I've already had several times the same level of service (than in Tulip, Mango, Snow White or the likes) with various providers in those brothels, but I reckon that it's rather the exception than the general rule. Actually, the difficult part is to find "all-in-one" packages! However, you can find for instance a "swallower" in one establishment, a real stunner in another one, an anal queen in a third one, etc. It's true that more often than not, the occasional visitor ends up with a young, cute and rather inexperienced starfish, but not always.[/QUOTE]So, does it just happen like that? I mean, you cum in her mouth or give a go at Anal? Or do you ask first and give them a tip?

Do these places have showers? How long is a session? Not that it is my scene, it's clearly not but I am just curious about these places.

I once went to an oily on Sukhumvit (I will not tell) and the lady offered sex (it was one of these Shower-less places). I agreed and just the smell after she took off her panties was enough for me to go limp.

She saw the expression on my face and knew something was up. I got dressed, gave her 100 and ran away.

[QUOTE=Titanio;1107403]...A few months ago walking up the Adulayadet Soi 2 at [b]4 PM[/b] and found nothing...[/QUOTE]That's your problem. These sois, particularly Soi 2, are best visited after dark and all night long. They're not really afternoon places, though I have gone there and had the pimps wake girls up for me (most don't arise till about four or five PM).

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1107511]Do these places have showers? How long is a session? Not that it is my scene, it's clearly not but I am just curious about these places.[/QUOTE]While I can't confirm Goyave's discovery of Tulip / Mango / etc. Level service there, NicFrenchy, I can confirm that I have often had a halfway decent BBBJ and good basic full service in these sois. Nothing more, and nothing Pattaya level, but good enough to finish. Its a matter of chemistry and individual attitude, I guess, as the girl's work schedules are, as you suggest, pretty grinding.

The 800 baht house has nice rooms with air conditioning and private showers, though no hot water (I think they have one or two VIP rooms with even hot water if you take a super-premium girl at 1, 000 baht, or pay a bit extra with the regular girls). The rooms are very clean and comfortable. At the 500 baht Soi 2 houses the rooms are just tolerable, but with shared rough bucket bath at end of hall, and finally at Soi Sow Fie Dang the rooms are pretty bad, but at 300 its no big dea. I've never stayed a full hour in any of these places, but I think that is probably the upper limit on time.

In all serious Nic, I think you would find the 800 baht place (if it is open) worthwhile. The girls are far, far better looking than at the Tulip type places. Think 18-19 years old with truly perfect bodies, never anything older than 21. This place is marketing to middle-class Thais, not indisciminate farangs.

Well, NicFrenchy, most of your questions have been dealt with previously by several contributors of this thread, including yours truly, but as it is the last day of the year, I will be an even nicer guy than I am usually and will answer here instead of suggesting you to RTFF, and in particular TFT (This Fabulous Thread)! :D

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1107511]So, does it just happen like that? I mean, you cum in her mouth or give a go at Anal? Or do you ask first and give them a tip?[/QUOTE]Usually, I explain to my provider beforehand that I will give her a nice tip if her performance is good. About anal sex opportunities with a new girl, I don't really ask but I always have some lube with me and I usually "prepare the ground" with my thumb first while doing her in doggy style. At this point, the girl might object, and I would negotiate a reasonable incentive for the privilege if she's not too much reluctant.

About CIM (and swallowing in particular), I usually can already tell if it is something that is possible when the girl starts to perform a BBBJ on me. If I want the girl to swallow my load, I always explain that beforehand and tell her how much she will get as a tip for this service if she agrees.

About incentives and tips in the local brothels, you can find some info for instance in this report: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1033-Phuket-Reports&p=1105244&#post1105244[/url]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1107511]Do these places have showers?[/QUOTE]Those that I frequent have all at least some kind of collective rudimentary bathroom: there is a big container for the (cold) water and patrons and providers bathe by throwing water on their body with a plastic bowl or a bucket. But sometimes, the girls have their own individual shower in their room (without or with hot water provided by a small electric water heater in this case). By the way, it's not always the cheapest places that are the less comfortable. In certain 300 or 400-baht ST brothels, the girls' rooms are not much different from a maid's room in Paris and they even have their own air conditioner and a TV. However, and even if the situation has improved in the recent years, most of these cheap brothels are filthy and not for the faint of heart!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1107511]How long is a session?[/QUOTE]Usually, it's about 30-45 minutes, but it's often possible to stay more once you are a regular customer and known by the mamasan or papasan of the house. In most brothels that I know of, you can also pay more for a longer session (two shots or 60-90 minutes approximately): the longer session costs 500 baht in most of the establishments where the regular session is charged 300 baht.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1107511]Not that it is my scene, it's clearly not but I am just curious about these places. I once went to an oily on Sukhumvit (I will not tell) and the lady offered sex (it was one of these Shower-less places). I agreed and just the smell after she took off her panties was enough for me to go limp.

She saw the expression on my face and knew something was up. I got dressed, gave her 100 and ran away. [/QUOTE]So, the cheap brothel scene is probably not something that you would enjoy. Numerous places are dirty, sometimes with used condoms on the floor and I even saw a rat in the corridor of one house. But it is sometimes possible to just pick up the girl of your choice from one of those brothels and go with her to a short time hotel or to your own place (if it's not too far) to spend some quality time.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1107555]That's your problem. These sois, particularly Soi 2, are best visited after dark and all night long. They're not really afternoon places, though I have gone there and had the pimps wake girls up for me (most don't arise till about four or five PM).[/QUOTE]
That's true. Nowadays, at this time of the day (4pm), one has much better luck in Soi Fai Deng.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1107555]The 800 baht house has nice rooms with air conditioning and private showers, though no hot water...[/QUOTE]
For your information, the cheaper brothel (400 baht on my most recent visit a few weeks ago) located between Adunyadet sois 3 and 4 has (relatively) decent rooms with A/C and private showers WITH hot water.

I received today a private message from a fellow ISG member about the Adunyadet red district, but I cannot reply at the moment because the sender "has exceeded his stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until he clears some space".

Recently went through Udon on my way to Laos and spent 2 nights there. Has been a long while since last visit, so visited most of the houses in the sois, but the girl numbers were really limited even at 8PM peak time. I think only 4-6 girls on the average. For these cheap houses, the pimps wanted 500, no negotiation even I walked out. Last trip I paid 400. In 2 days, I tried maybe 4 gals in cheap houses, I found there is a new trend, these girls all demand tips for any service. Girls demanded another 200-500 for BBBJ. And one even wanted me to pay 1000 for CIM which I refused. I can never finish in these cheap houses.

Tried the middle class house at the sub soi, but was quoted 700 one night and 800 next night. Different boy pimps give me different prices. That was annoying. Even paid different price for my beer Chang on both nights. 100 and then 120. Both sessions quite standard some CBJ. Okay room with lots of towels. But it's luxury compares to these cheapo joints.

Tried the soi 7 love hotel. Went there, and the pimp showed me girls one or two at a time, the level was quite mediocre, mostly short and plump girls, the price too really sporadic. Went there 2 times, got quote from 900-1000, plus 200 for ST room, they even offered me one so called very fresh newbie girl, wanted 2000, told me just had cherry popped 1 week ago, I know it's gimmik did not take. Took a girl each night, able to bargain down to 800, but no further, I know the local rate maybe about 700? Both girls were little short, maybe 150cm, service 1 quite good. 1 mediocre.

The best session was delivered to me by a tuk tuk driver. This tuk tuk guy worked really hard, back and forth taking 2-3 girls each time for my viewing in my room, after 4 rounds, he found a cutie to me, a Thai girl from some Thai karaoke, the girl wanted 1500 ST-2500 all night, which I think its worth a try, for other girls he quote me 1000 ST, I am sure can be bargained, and then tuk tuk all smiles and asked me 150 tip for 4 trips to my room. Later the girl told me she has to give another 200 to tuk tuk guy, and 500 to her shop mama. She keeps the rest. Very fresh, a student at some Thai commercial college, working 2-3 nights a week to make money, has a boyfriend in another town. Gave me a really good BBBJ at night also the next morning. Clean ass and pussy, enjoyed guys licking her. Very soft speaking. Good session.

After thoughts, it is getting harder and harder at least for me, to find a overall good worker that provide nice service and with a passable face and body, if you are on short stay, maybe have to try quite a few until you find one that can deliver some satisfaction. For the economy sex scene, I still much prefer southern China's BBS in Shenzen, Zhuhai, CP, ect, the price similar but the supply and is overwhelming and much easier to find good provider as compared to nowadays Udon and Isan or Laos as a whole.

That was my 2 days in Udon. Then traveled to Udomxay.

RCA Knight is exactly right. Decent service is as rare as hen's teeth in Udon or Isaan in general, and actual [i]good[/i] service is, well, I've almost never found it. It is true that most girls demand tips right and left from farang, ruining the whole enjoyment of the session, and of course any 'service' is likely to be performed horribly if a tip is demanded beforehand for it.

On the other hand, the tip for BBFS is usually less that that for BBBJ or other 'services', so that may interest some, and repulse others. (In some cases BBFS can be had without a tip).

The most frustrating thing is that most of the girls, particularly the better looking ones, dislike farang and dread being chosen by the farang. Particularly if you have visited a few times and become known for uncomfortable endowment, typically only the older, less attractive girls will be willing to go with you. One would think these would be the better servicers, and in generally they are, but its far from always the case. Sometimes its the fresh face who surprises you, and sometimes the old girl is too hardened.

In any case, even if you have a good, friendly session with a girl one day, there's no guarantee she won't refuse you the next. Basically, these girls have sex so many times a day that one session with a larger guy or a longer lasting guy can set them up for an unpleasant day or even two of vaginal discomfort. The refrain in these joints is usually 'jep, jep' and 'hurry up and finish' rather than moans of delight (faked or otherwise). Its similar to the situation in Soapies only even more so as instead of 3 boom-booms per day she may do 5 or 6.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight;1107753]Recently went through Udon on my way to Laos and spent 2 nights there...[/QUOTE]The Adunyadet red district is becoming less and less interesting IMHO, especially for the occasional visitor. Anyway, if one wants to visit this area, I think that around 9 or 10pm is probably the best time nowadays.

The brothels of Soi Fai Deng are not only cheaper, they also are open earlier. A couple of them are even open quite early in the morning (I sometimes visit them at 8am for instance), and by 4 or 5pm, most (if not all) of them should be open then (though the best time to go there is also a bit later in the evening, at approximately 9pm, I would say).

In these 300-baht brothels, the service provided is very often as mediocre as the girl is cute. But it's (IMHO) not as difficult than in the past to find a (relatively) decent provider there, and when it is the case, you just have to offer a reasonable incentive to get a BBBJ or anal, for instance. I never give, as a tip or incentive, more than 200 baht for a BBBJ or 300 baht for anal, and I always find providers who do oblige for those amounts.

I am not a big fan of the local karaoke joints (according to my own experience, they are usually a waste of time and money and many girls don't go with a foreigner), but it is something that punters who can speak some Thai should probably consider more often from now on. If you can go by your own means (with your own vehicle and not with a tuk-tuk driver, for instance) to the karaoke places located a few kilometers outside the provincial capitals or in smaller towns, the choice is more limited than in the local brothels and it's more often "miss" than "hit", but one can sometimes find super cute girls in these establishments at a (relatively) reasonable price... if they agree to go with you! The cheapest price that I have paid not too long ago in a karaoke joint was 700 baht for a ST (about one hour long) session (I have paid once 500 baht only for a ST session with a karaoke girl, but it was several years ago). I've been quoted 2000 baht for a LT session at another more upscale place, and in several other places, about 1300-1500 baht for a LT session.

One can find gems also among the local freelancers and street walkers. The street walkers are often (but not always) old and ugly, but cheap. The freelancers are seldom cheap nowadays, but usually young and cute. Speaking some Thai certainly helps to find the real gems among the local freelancers (those who are able to speak English decently enough charge higher prices).

With street walkers, you may get a BBBJ+CIM (and sometimes +swallowing) for as low as 200 baht with the older ones, 300 baht with the younger ones, and I already had a LT session (including anal) with a decent looking SW for 600 baht only.

With the less educated local freelancers (no English), the cost of a LT session is usually in the 800-1000 baht range.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1107828]... The most frustrating thing is that most of the girls, particularly the better looking ones, dislike farang and dread being chosen by the farang...[/QUOTE]Well, I can confirm that some working girls in those establishments are afraid of foreigners, but according to my own experience, it's not most of them. Maybe it's just me (I'm a smiling guy in my early forties who can speak some Thai and Lao)?

I have noticed that some new girls who were at first reluctant to go with me would change their mind when they hear me speaking to them (for instance, joking about the fact that they are afraid of the Farang) using the local dialect. So, their apprehension is probably often (but of course, not always) a language thing, I guess.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1107104]Anyway, it was still 300 baht (for a very similar quality of providers than in the 500-baht establishments of Adunyadet) in Soi Fai Deng last week, and hopefully, the semi-closure of this soi won't last very long.[/QUOTE]The sad news is that if one area raise the cost it won't be long before others follow. It will only be a matter of time before SFD common rate to be 400b (or more).

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1107894]T.

One can find gems also among the local freelancers and street walkers. The street walkers are often (but not always) old and ugly, but cheap. The freelancers are seldom cheap nowadays, but usually young and cute. Speaking some Thai certainly helps to find the real gems among the local freelancers (those who are able to speak English decently enough charge higher prices).

With street walkers, you may get a BBBJ+CIM (and sometimes +swallowing) for as low as 200 baht with the older ones. 300 baht with the younger ones, and I already had a LT session (including anal) with a decent looking SW for 600 baht only.

With the less educated local freelancers (no English) , the cost of a LT session is usually in the 800-1000 baht range.[/QUOTE]Fully agree with you Goyave. In the big Isaan city we can find what you describe. But it s really" chasing" you have to be patient, and lucky. Most of mongers now are not patient enough and want everything on display and available immediately. In Asia being patient really worth.

Some free lancers just come when they are in need of cash only, some just come for from small town the week end to get extra cash. Dozens of various reasons.

And of course speaking thai help a lot. Simply to avoid misunderstanding.

For the prices you mentioned I confirmed. It s what I paid. If the girl provided good service I give her a "reasonable tip". Always a guarantee to better service for the next time.

Just thought I'd update on these places. Over the last month or so I've been to all again. At Kosa had a 25ish nice looking girl with breast implants for 2, 200. It was most definitely not worth it. Not sure why, but this higher end place seems to have all girls a couple of years older than the 'best' girls at the cheaper places. I guess they are pretty by Thai standards (very white) and a bit 'elegant' looking, but there's really no substitute for 19-21 when you're paying through the nose.

Visited Villa a number of times but only took twice, both with girls I'd had before. One was early 30s and gives me what I want without any special tip-demands, the other very slim and cute and 23, who wouldn't budge from requiring an outrageous tip (1, 000, which is what I'd previously paid her in a moment of foolhardy passion) to get it the way I wanted it, so I ended up rather depressingly finished off by handjob. Good selection and price (1, 300 for the better girls) here though, with at least 50% chance of good service. Papasans are very honest about girls overall performance / attitude and whether they've burst their seedpods or not.

Finally the highlight was Ceasar, I place I'd avoided for a while because the mama and papasans tend to be very pushy, and the price have gotten a bit high at 1, 600-1, 800. Going back on two occasions I found things toned down, no high pressure, and in both occasions I chose 23-24ish short but cute girls for 1, 600. Also on both occasions I was blown away by the service. The girls seemed horny, enthusiastic, provided service the way I wanted it for reasonable tips (300) , and also gave two of the best BJs I've ever gotten in Thailand (a land of poor blow jobs). One in particular seemed to have learned that sucking is a very important aspect of sucking dick. 'Pop! Pop! ', if you can visualize what I mean. Alas in both cases the girls had apparently had kids though I had been told by papasan they had not. Still, great service, good feeling, I'll be back.

Total cost for a month of soapies:

5 girls. 8,000 baht. Tips. 1,000 baht. Total 9, 000, or 1, 800 baht per orgasm.

Hi,

Just a quick question: Is Mukdahan (Gawd, I haven't been there in ages) any good these days?

Thanks,

Freeler

[QUOTE=Freeler;1114850]Just a quick question: Is Mukdahan (Gawd, I haven't been there in ages) any good these days?[/QUOTE]Was it ever? I've contributed a report or two about it a couple years ago or so, and it was terrible.

Opebo,

Guess that leaves the Indo-China market. And the temple turtles.

Ok, idea to visit erased.

F.

[QUOTE=Freeler; 1115570]Guess that leaves the Indo-China market. And the temple turtles.

Ok, idea to visit erased. [/QUOTE]When I was there I found one or two small houses with very old and unattractive women for the 500 or less price range, and halfway decent 20-25 year olds at various little 'massage' places in the area around the Mukdahan Needle, but they wanted at least a thousand baht on top of the massage fee for sex, so it amounted to close to 1, 500 baht by the time you were finished. Not your thing I think. Someone told me there was also a Soapy there, but I didn't check it out and given the size of the town I'd be surprised. I think you will also often be offered girls by bellmen in some hotels, around 1, 000 baht up.

A Thai friend always claimed that someone he knew had found small high value Lao-staffed houses, a la Udon, either in town or near, but I never felt sure of this claim and could find nothing asking motorbike and tuk tuk drivers when I visited. I wish you'd go and thoroughly check it out.

If you were going as far as Mukdahan why not check out Ubon Ratchthani instead (another place I never could find much fun) , or Khon Kaen, which I can report is very good.

Opebo,

Surprises can be found in the strangest of places. Over 150 moons ago, I walked from the bus station in That Phanom down to the river and entered a little shop to buy a drink or something when one of the women present showed me a small room to the side. There was a bed and a nod and that was the signal. I quickly parted with 100 Baht and got it on.

But in Mukdahan, so far the only surprise was the upgrade of the Indo-China market back in 2000 or there abouts.

Perhaps I'll spend some of my many days in the Kingdom in Muk anyway. Please note that a report will only follow if I find things worth while.

F.

As surprising as it is, Mukdahan, Ubon Ratchatani and Nakon Panom are complete wastelands when it comes to the hobby. Do not expect to find anything at all of interest in these towns.

I also agree that Khon Kaen is pretty good. Not perfect but pretty good.

Minor update on Udon. Soi Fai Daeng (Udon Dutsadi 2) is still up an running with the usual Lao women for 300 baht. Crappy houses, low quality service as always. Well worth it given the price, though.

No time to visit other Sois, given the price inflexibility reported earlier and service which is no better, I doubt they're worthwhile.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1121094]No time to visit other Sois, given the price inflexibility reported earlier and service which is no better, I doubt they're worthwhile.[/QUOTE]In general I find the service somewhat better on Soi 2, though obviously stil far below what one would find in a farang-oriented scene, such as Pattaya. Plus, the girls are a bit better looking. So, generally I've been going to Soi 2 rather than Sow Fie Deng lately.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1121146]In general I find the service somewhat better on Soi 2, though obviously stil far below what one would find in a farang-oriented scene, such as Pattaya. Plus, the girls are a bit better looking. So, generally I've been going to Soi 2 rather than Sow Fie Deng lately.[/QUOTE]
The difference in quality is not obvious (at least for me) between (most of) the houses of Adunyadet Soi 2 and those of Soi Fai Daeng (while the price difference IS obvious). Of course, the most expensive place in Adunyadet Soi 2 does provide (on average) better looking (or better clothed) girls, but yet, it's not always in the most expensive places than one can find the most beautiful girl or the best performer in Udon Thani. Well, it's also a matter of taste and personal desiderata.

By the way, I was in Nong Khai on several occasions recently, and visited Soi Sri Boon Ruang 2 once relatively early (at about 10 am) and there were three "real" girls available then (one obvious and ugly ladyboy was there too, but I am not interested even when they are attractive, which was not the case here!). The real girls were not very attractive either and (apparently) in their mid-twenties. I chose the best-looking one (but not more than a 6/10 overall on my personal rating scale though) and paid 300 baht for our ST session on premises. Not a bad session, but nothing exceptional either.

I came back twice since (in the mid-afternoon) in this area and was surprised to see that only one house was open then (the one that was open as early as 10 am a few days ago) while usually, about 4 or 5 are already open in Soi Sri Boon Ruang 2 or nearby along Meechai road. Ok, at about 4 pm then, it was still (relatively) early for this area, but it's not a good sign. I also checked another area that used to have a few working girls during daytime in the past, but it was dead. I haven't had the opportunity to visit Soi Sukpracha recently when it is open for business (this pick-up joint opens only after the night has fallen) but I hope that it is still operating. If not, Nong Khai can be declared worthless visiting for our hobby!

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1118960]As surprising as it is, Mukdahan, Ubon Ratchatani and Nakon Panom are complete wastelands when it comes to the hobby. Do not expect to find anything at all of interest in these towns.

I also agree that Khon Kaen is pretty good. Not perfect but pretty good.[/QUOTE]I never been to Mukdahan and nakhon phanom, But for Ubon you re wrong Bowerboy, maybe things has change since 2008. But the brothels Alley was still active (I discovered this place in 2001,). After if we talk about girls quality. Quality was low, many girls was in their 30's. But price was damned cheap. The house has all small fishbowl, papasan and mamasan was farang welcome and fair when they give you the price.

I know it is probably too late to get a response on this, but as I understand it this weekend is a huge funeral of a famous monk in Udon Thani, and that various VIPs and thousands of people will be converging on that town. Can anyone comment if the brothel sois are open or closed, or whether it is likely they will be open over the weekend. Also whether there is likely to be any hotel room. Thanks.

I had planned a trip there with my Thai friends this weekend, but we're thinking it was an unfortunate choice of time.

A question to the connosseurs: How is Udon during Songkhran? Will the houses in the sois and massage parlours be working?

[QUOTE=Opebo; 1129832]I know it is probably too late to get a response on this, but as I understand it this weekend is a huge funeral of a famous monk in Udon Thani, and that various VIPs and thousands of people will be converging on that town. Can anyone comment if the brothel sois are open or closed, or whether it is likely they will be open over the weekend. Also whether there is likely to be any hotel room. Thanks.

I had planned a trip there with my Thai friends this weekend, but we're thinking it was an unfortunate choice of time. [/QUOTE]I hope it is not too late to answer your questions. I visited Soi Saw Fai Daeng two days ago and every houses were open then. I don't think that they are going to be closed because of the funeral. About accommodation, it is probably very difficult, but not impossible (I guess), to find an available room as most hotels are said to be full because of this event.

[QUOTE=Nongpagba;1129941]A question to the connosseurs: How is Udon during Songkhran? Will the houses in the sois and massage parlours be working?[/QUOTE]
I usually avoid driving near the main red districts of Udon Thani during Songkran as Adunyadet and Wattana Nuwong roads are usually heavily jam-packed then (at least, most of the day) because of numerous locals blocking these areas and throwing water at each other. It's better to visit the brothels later at night. Some of them are closed during Songkran (but not most of them) and there is usually a little bit less girls available then in the open ones.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1118960]As surprising as it is, Mukdahan, Ubon Ratchatani and Nakon Panom are complete wastelands when it comes to the hobby. Do not expect to find anything at all of interest in these towns. .....[/QUOTE]Talking about Mukdahan. After living in Mukdahan province (50 km from the city) I can't totally agree.

But I was happy to find between 10 and 15 karaoke bars around Mukdahan Tower.

Leave Mukdahan on the main road southwards to Don Tan / Chanuman and after maybe 3 to 5 km the tower is on the left side. There is a small road around the tower and along this road you will find the bars / pubs / whatever.

See my report at the Photo Gallery. I added 4 pics of a young girl from Laos.

Agree. Muk is not paradise, yes. But better than nothing, better than wasteland.

Maa Paa

I can update that Udon Thani seems to be in fine form at the moment.

Soi Fai Deng much better than Adulyadej. I didn't used to like Soi Fai Deng but the attitude there has changed completely. Very friendly wheras as before it seemed to be a but thuggish.

Any info on the P4P seen up that way?

Limpy,

Ubon has never done it for me, but the way there is quite nice. Rail along Korat, Buriram, Surin (yeah, even Surin!) and Si Saket and find pussy at every Provincial capital's RWS.

If you're currently on a BKK or Patts budget you might find you'll be spending way less money than you're used to. Don't let that worry you!

[QUOTE=Freeler; 1142220]Limpy,

Ubon has never done it for me, but the way there is quite nice. Rail along Korat, Buriram, Surin (yeah, even Surin!) and Si Saket and find pussy at every Provincial capital's RWS. [/QUOTE]A couple of worn out older women at Surin last week. Buriram has nothing in the day. What there is comes out after dark.

[QUOTE=Freeler; 1142220]Limpy,

Ubon has never done it for me, but the way there is quite nice. Rail along Korat, Buriram, Surin (yeah, even Surin!) and Si Saket and find pussy at every Provincial capital's RWS.

If you're currently on a BKK or Patts budget you might find you'll be spending way less money than you're used to. Don't let that worry you! [/QUOTE]So there is nothing in Ubon?

[QUOTE=Limprichard;1142728]So there is nothing in Ubon?[/QUOTE]

A few reports about the P4P scene in Ubon Ratchathani can be found in this thread, but they are not numerous nor recent:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2859-Isaan-Region-(including-Udon-Thani-KK-Khorat)&p=1122209#post1122209[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2859-Isaan-Region-(including-Udon-Thani-KK-Khorat)&p=944150#post944150[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2859-Isaan-Region-(including-Udon-Thani-KK-Khorat)&p=1039788#post1039788[/url]

You might also find some streetwalkers near the railway station during night time, I suppose, because it's not unusual in those areas (that's the case in Surin, for instance).

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1143205]A few reports about the P4P scene in Ubon Ratchathani can be found in this thread, but they are not numerous nor recent:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2859-Isaan-Region-(including-Udon-Thani-KK-Khorat)&p=1122209#post1122209[/url]

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2859-Isaan-Region-(including-Udon-Thani-KK-Khorat)&p=944150#post944150[/url]

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You might also find some streetwalkers near the railway station during night time, I suppose, because it's not unusual in those areas (that's the case in Surin, for instance). [/QUOTE]Train station is about 5kms outside Ubon, you can reach the place by songthaw during the day, the place is not very busy. But I never see signs of girls activity around the train station (like in khorat). But maybe I was blind?

Maybe Freeler can confirmed?

Well,

I don't think the Ubon RWS has much to offer, other than a hooker going home from BKK or Pattaya.

The whole scene, if you can call it that, in Ubon is based in hotel massage parlours. Not my thing.

In my opinion, by far the best thing in Ubon is that songthaew, that goes from the RWS all the way to the bus terminal (and VV of course) , many miles away, where you can board a bus to better places.

If you want to try Ubon girls, there are some at Buriram RWS. In Buriram the girls don't just come out at night. If you know who the hookers are it's a 24 hour banquet. At B200 a meal. And please tip them if they perform well, living in Thailand is isn't easy for them.

[QUOTE=Freeler; 1143680]Well,

I don't think the Ubon RWS has much to offer, other than a hooker going home from BKK or Pattaya.

The whole scene, if you can call it that, in Ubon is based in hotel massage parlours. Not my thing.

In my opinion, by far the best thing in Ubon is that songthaew, that goes from the RWS all the way to the bus terminal (and VV of course) , many miles away, where you can board a bus to better places.

If you want to try Ubon girls, there are some at Buriram RWS. In Buriram the girls don't just come out at night. If you know who the hookers are it's a 24 hour banquet. At B200 a meal. And please tip them if they perform well, living in Thailand is isn't easy for them. [/QUOTE]Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Freeler; 1143680]Well,

If you want to try Ubon girls, there are some at Buriram RWS. In Buriram the girls don't just come out at night. If you know who the hookers are it's a 24 hour banquet. At B200 a meal. And please tip them if they perform well, living in Thailand is isn't easy for them. [/QUOTE]Whether you know the BR RWS girls or not, I have never seen ANY girls at the station during daylight hours.

[QUOTE=Freeler;1143680]In Buriram the girls don't just come out at night. If you know who the hookers are it's a 24 hour banquet. At B200 a meal. And please tip them if they perform well, living in Thailand is isn't easy for them.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bumholes1;1143720]Whether you know the BR RWS girls or not, I have never seen ANY girls at the station during daylight hours.[/QUOTE]You have to remember, Bumholes (and it would behoove other readers to be aware) that Freeler is a man of optimistic outlook, who often sees a wealth of options where others can't find much, or much of interest, or at least at the astonishing price he quotes.

I followed in the great man's footsteps through Korat, Buriram, Surin, and SiSaket (my reports can be found on ISG, now around 5 years old) , and while I had a more or less pleasant time on a very meager budget, I can't say that the girls were my cup of tea or that I've been tempted to try it again; nor can I say I matched his achievement on prices.

Opebo,

Five years ago the world was a different place. Please find attached a gif file I made in 2007. Yeah, that's four years ago, but that does not weaken my case. This was B200 + tip 50 minutes encounter.

Freeler.

I happened to be meeting someone from a train at Buriram just 1 hour ago. The train was late and I was there nearly 45 mins. As usual, not a single girl in sight.

After 7pm they are there. Not during daylight hours.

One of the karaoke bars was open as I drove past, but the girls were amusing themselves with water guns, buckets and hoses, and clearly had no interest in offering sexual services.

[QUOTE=Freeler; 1144251]Opebo,

Five years ago the world was a different place. Please find attached a gif file I made in 2007. Yeah, that's four years ago, but that does not weaken my case. This was B200 + tip 50 minutes encounter. [/QUOTE]I never doubted your finds, sir, only the ability of we mere mortals to replicate them. For example I never got any blow jobs anywhere in Southern Issan. The girls refused them categorically.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1144501]I never doubted your finds, sir, only the ability of we mere mortals to replicate them. For example I never got any blow jobs anywhere in Southern Issan. The girls refused them categorically.[/QUOTE]
I haven't been there recently, but I got BBBJs (even without asking) on several occasions by various providers in the Surin province (some were based in the brothel located near the Surin railway station, for instance).

[QUOTE=Goyave;1144901]I haven't been there recently, but I got BBBJs (even without asking) on several occasions by various providers in the Surin province (some were based in the brothel located near the Surin railway station, for instance).[/QUOTE]There's a brothel near the Surin railway station?

[QUOTE=Opebo;1145011]There's a brothel near the Surin railway station?[/QUOTE]
Yes. A smallish one. Actually, it's one little house with probably not more than 5 girls working there (and they alternatively look for customers at the railway station nearby). The price was 300 baht ST the last time I visited this place (in one previous report, I said that I paid 500 baht, but that included the 200 baht tip that I gave to my provider who was an enthusiastic 3-holer).

A map is included in the following report:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2859-Isaan-Region-(including-Udon-Thani-KK-Khorat)&p=1015314&viewfull=1#post1015314[/url]

If I remember correctly, the walls of this small house are painted light green.

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1145050]Yes. A smallish one. Actually, it's one little house with probably not more than 5 girls working there (and they alternatively look for customers at the railway station nearby). The price was 300 baht ST the last time I visited this place (in one previous report, I said that I paid 500 baht, but that included the 200 baht tip that I gave to my provider who was an enthusiastic 3-holer).

A map is included in the following report:

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If I remember correctly, the walls of this small house are painted light green. [/QUOTE]I've looked on more than one occasion, and still to find it. The green walls info may help me next time. Of the few women available at the station, (and most are to be avoided) they ALL go across the road to their rooms at the "New Hotel" Going rate 2/300bt.

Most will go to that hotel but some take you across the tracks. One took me to her home once. A memorable encounter, mainly because she suddenly took out a knife and said that she wasn't afraid to use it.

That was bullshit, so we fucked.

I left her B200 and took the first train out of there. I don't like Surin.

[QUOTE=Bumholes1;1145173]I've looked on more than one occasion, and still to find it. The green walls info may help me next time. Of the few women available at the station, (and most are to be avoided) they ALL go across the road to their rooms at the "New Hotel" Going rate 2/300bt.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I should have mentioned the color of the walls too in my previous report about this place. By the way, I went there (at the station) only on a few occasions (for P4P), but so far, I never have been to this "New Hotel" that you mentioned! I guess that the favored location for doing the deed varies depending on whom you meet there.

There is some older mentions about possible soapies in udon thani. Anyone with fresh insight or some directions if there are places still around?

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Was able to find some action in RoiEt. Not much happend in this city, and if anyone know more places, I would be gratefull for hint's.

As you can see in the pics, there's also an coyote club inside, however I never tried it.

I went last week straight to the massage club. Its on the second floor and you have to walk trough the reception. Nobody behind the counter cared much, so I went up. In the backside you can see already the couches of a typical massage joint. When I entered the establishment at about 2 pm there was only 2 girls there, but soon after another 5 showed up. Only 2 of the 7 was in my eyes doable, and the second best looking came straight to my couch after a few seconds, where I was sipping my Leo already. I was eyeing another pretty good looking girl, but she was starring obviously only in her phone, a clear sign that she wasn't into it, at least not at the moment. So I went after a few words, with the girl which came to me.

By the way, on the top of the couches there was clear sign's with 1200$/1500$/1800$. It left no question's open, how much was asked for the service.

My girl reached a key and we went to a room. It seems they take simply hotel rooms for the deed. The hotel rooms had seen better times already, but at least it was clean and without to many moscitos.

The girl. 25 and from Udon she said, started to fill up the tube while I was stripping down and sipping my beer. We booth took a smoke, while water was running.

I jumped in the tube after a while, where she joined me. A typical rub was followed, where she cleaned me softly and gently. She asked if I wanted the hair washed. Told her, that we do it after the deed.

We jumped out, dried up, and me letting down on the bed. She was a bit puzzled, because I was on the bed on the backside. But she got the hint that I wasn't into massage, so she started the deed right away.

A good long licking of the balls, a lot of flicking around the shaft. She started it good and right. However she avoided the end of the dick. Seems theres no BBBJ avalaible, and I was right. After a good 10 minutes she took a condom out and prepared it. After it she started to give me a suck, but the condom was only a 49mm one and I had problem to feel anything.

No problem, I signaled here again after a few minutes to come up and mount me, which she did with a smile. Cowgirl and various other postions followed. Tried also doggie and I took her quiet strong because I felt really not much with this kind of condom on me. Mental note, take next time an own condom with me, I use usually the expensive one with 0. 02.

To bad for her I didn't feeled much, but the rode was quiet pleasant and she took it how I gave it to here. No complaints. It took approx 30 minutes until I unloaded. She made a comment with a smile and invited me again to the tube after we recovered. Again a rubdown and a hair wash followed.

I tipped here 300, which she didn't commented with the exception of a little wai.

Conclusion, some action can be have in RoiEt, but do not expect wild things. No BBBJ and no rimming. Anal I didn't asked for. Didn't think it's on the menu.

SS,

That is a great 1st report! I don't think I'll ever go where you've been, but if I do, will put the info to good use!

[QUOTE=Gorgon;1147233]There is some older mentions about possible soapies in udon thani. Anyone with fresh insight or some directions if there are places still around?[/QUOTE]
IMHO, the soapies in Udon Thani are a big disappointment (usually overpriced for the relatively low quality of providers available). Some of my older Farang friends living here patronize [url="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=oscar+massage+udon+thani&aq=&g=Mak+Khaeng,+Muang+Udon+Thani,+Udon+Thani+41000,+Thailand&ie=UTF8&hq=oscar+massage&hnear=Udon+Thani,+Thailand&ll=17.416822,102.784653&spn=0.332823,0.676346&z=11&iwloc=A&cid=1184544777127816227"]Oscar Massage[/url] and the other massage parlor located at the [url="http://wikimapia.org/9638835/Ton-Koon-Hotel"]Ton Koon hotel[/url], but so far, I have not been impressed by the girls working in either place (although I must say that I have not visited those establishments recently).

The local brothels (especially those of Soi Fai Daeng) are (again IMHO) better value in Udon Thani and the girls working there much more attractive on average.

Oscar massage.

Not much of a soapy but I didn't press the soapy part.

The place is dead before 18. 00, I got there two hours earlier and there was two "sideliners" trying to fall through their cell phones and at the same time they looked sleeping. Got out and came back 18ish. Fishbowl was open with a wide selection of three ladies.

I got the recommended one, (the one closest to the glass incidentally.) but she turned out sweet and provided decent service. Got a standardish quality tub rubdown and then standard fuck. She was pleasantly tight and even did some face kissing before she realised it and stopped.

The place looks clean, the ladies are standard and the sidelines I saw didn't differ much from the fishbowl ladies. The room I got looked clean, free water and towels was provided. Standard fee quoted was 1400.

Good experience but don't expect stunners. Value wise of course it's far out there compared to the places with lao girls.

To SevenSatang. Yes, Mai Tai is not generally that good. I have found cute girls there very occasionally, but I've never really found outstanding service. If you're stuck in Roi-Et it is worth a look once in a while, but not as a destination. Again, if you're stuck in Roi-Et the best option is to travel by the excellent pink bus line to Khon Kaen. It runs very frequently for less than 100 baht.

I contributed a couple of fairly detailed reports about Roi-Et and Maha Sarakham (the next town on the way to Khon Kaen) a few years ago, and many reports about Khon Kaen, but now I can't find them. It seems something has changed about the forum and I can't figure out how to find older reports. Can anyone?

[QUOTE=Opebo;1148383]... I contributed a couple of fairly detailed reports about Roi-Et and Maha Sarakham (the next town on the way to Khon Kaen) a few years ago, and many reports about Khon Kaen, but now I can't find them. It seems something has changed about the forum and I can't figure out how to find older reports. Can anyone?[/QUOTE]Try this: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=768[/url]

[QUOTE=Opebo;1148383]... I contributed a couple of fairly detailed reports about Roi-Et and Maha Sarakham (the next town on the way to Khon Kaen) a few years ago, and many reports about Khon Kaen, but now I can't find them. It seems something has changed about the forum and I can't figure out how to find older reports. Can anyone?[/QUOTE]
I don't know whether or not you can find all your previous reports this way, but I just used the [url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/search.php"]Advanced Search[/url] function and several results (when looking for "Maha", for instance) were displayed. Have a look at the attachments (partial screen-shots) and check the main search parameters (see below).

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Of course, you have to use another keyword (instead of "Maha") to find reports about other locations. If I am not mistaken, a keyword here must contain at least 4 characters.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1148403]Try this:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=768[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks. Yeah I tried that but couldn't get it to work.

I've visited the cheap brothels area (Meechai Road and Soi Sri Boon Ruang 2) of Nong Khai several times during daytime in the past few weeks, and the situation is now really bad, with usually only one or two girls available in the open establishment (the other houses are still closed, at least since April 6th this year), one being rather old and unattractive, the other one has a cute face, but her body and her performance are below average. It's a great disappointment, because about one week before Songkran, much more girls were working there and I have then noticed several young and cute ones that I would have "sampled" enthusiastically, alas, I have not had the opportunity to do them then, and I seriously doubt that it would be possible in the foreseeable future...

I'm still regularly visiting the cheap brothels of Udon Thani and was in Soi Fai Daeng today (well, yesterday actually as it is past midnight in the Land of Smiles) at 6pm (approximately). I was about to select a new girl when a young pimp got into the house and warned us that the police was arriving and urged everyone to leave the establishment. So, that's what I did.

On my way back to my car, a tiny and very slim woman (maybe only 1,40 meter tall for a weight of about 32 kilos) started to chat with me in fairly decent English (which is quite unusual in this area!) and offered me to shag her at her place for only 50 baht ST! I kid you not, guys! And there is no typo, it was really FIFTY baht only. And she told me that she would do "everything" for this price!

Ok, there's a catch. This woman is about 55 years old and does not have all her teeth anymore! Not my cup of tea and I declined her offer, but I can say that her tiny body is well proportioned and frankly, even with her missing teeth, she is (IMHO) yet more attractive than many younger girls that one can see in the photo gallery! I guess that she worked in Pattaya or at another tourist-oriented location in the past, which could explain her good English language skills.

By the way, I came back about one hour later in this area and all the brothels were open again then. I eventually had a quite satisfactory short time session with the new (18 year old) girl that I wanted to fuck just before being almost busted by the police. I cost me the usual 300 baht fee (standard price for a ST session on premises in Soi Fai Daeng) and I gave my provider a 200 baht tip (enthusiastic performance, but no anal). Then, I realized that I am a bloody overpayer, since I could have fucked the tiny grandma for a tenth of the total amount that I disbursed today and I'm pretty sure that Granny is a 3-holer, her! :D

[QUOTE=Goyave;1154166]about 55 years old and does not have all her teeth anymore [....] yet more attractive than many younger girls[/QUOTE]Really? :)

[QUOTE=Goyave;1154166]Then, I realized that I am a bloody overpayer, since I could have fucked the tiny grandma for a tenth of the total amount that I disbursed today and I'm pretty sure that Granny is a 3-holer, her! :D[/QUOTE]You'll be wondering what you missed for a very long time

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1154179]Really? :)[/QUOTE]Nice one. ;) You did not quote me fully, but yes, despite her age and her missing teeth, she really is (IMHO) more attractive than many younger girls that one can see in the photo gallery.

By the way, her older sister, who is a former playmate (see attachment), says hello to you. :D

[QUOTE=Bumholes1;1154234]You'll be wondering what you missed for a very long time[/QUOTE]
Ok, she's a "butterface", but had all the brothels been still closed when I came back, I might have tried her... In doggy style and reverse cowgirl, mainly!!! ;)

I was in Udon for 4 days a few weeks ago.

First of all, let me thank Goyave who spent quite some time showing me around. I would not have been able to enjoy the city nearly as much without his help. He went above and beyond the call of duty, and is a great guy to hang out with.

I'll still have to disagree with him on several points, and my report won't be that positive, but I know he won't mind the difference of opinion :)

On prices, Goyave is right. It is indeed possible to get girls for 300 to 500 baths ST, which is quite incredible, especially when you are used to BKK prices.

On quality though, I would disagree with Goyave. There are only a handful of venues to go to (2 mains areas with 7 or 10 brothels each). Each venue only has a few girls. The choice is much less than in BKK in quantity. There are more working girls in 2 Rainbow bars at Nana Plaza than in the whole of Udon. And that also means the choice is less in quality. Beautiful girls are few and far between. When you do find a beautiful girl, she won't have the level of sophistication you would have in BKK. Ie she might have beautiful features, but don't expect the long eyelashes, the wavy hair, the nice perfume, the high heels, the sexy clothes. This may or may not matter to you, it does to me. It makes the experience much less intense IMO.

And then there is the service. The girls who are smart and want to be flexible and please foreigners (and make more money) move to BKK. The girls who stay in Udon are more Thai-style, and used to Thai customers. Even a simple BJ is a crazy request here. Even a covered 30-seconds BJ. That sums up the level of service you can get, at least as a short-time tourist. It is actually amusing to be in a brothel, ask if a simple blow job is possible, and see all the girls and the papasan shake their head like you are asking for necrophilia.

No English is spoken, so if you don't speak any Thai, it can get difficult.

If you live there, as Goyave does, it is possible to find a few gems and have a good time on a budget. If you visit from BKK for a few days however, you may feel like you are wasting valuable time. Udon isn't a very beautiful city, either. It is several levels below Bangkok, and pretty dusty and third-world looking. I did not mind going there, for the experience. But I had a lot of time in Thailand. If I had been on a 10 days holidays, I would not have been happy spending half of it there.

Of course this is only my opinion, and Goyave for example says he doesn't like BKK (which I love) and prefers the small-town, relaxed atmosphere of Isaan and Udon. So YMMV depending on taste.

To get there, I recommend the sleeper train. Make sure you book several days in advance when going back, or you might find it fully booked.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1158597]The girls who stay in Udon are more Thai-style, and used to Thai customers. Even a simple BJ is a crazy request here. Even a covered 30-seconds BJ. That sums up the level of service you can get, at least as a short-time tourist. It is actually amusing to be in a brothel, ask if a simple blow job is possible, and see all the girls and the papasan shake their head like you are asking for necrophilia.

No English is spoken, so if you don't speak any Thai, it can get difficult. [/QUOTE]Udon is no paradise indeed.

Papasans trying to overcharge farang, girls giving horrible service, and unsanitary fuck environments. A lot of the girls have stds because of zero quality control. Brothels can be closed for weeks by the police with zero warning. So if you make the trip up you can be in the middle of a closure for days.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1158597]To get there, I recommend the sleeper train. Make sure you book several days in advance when going back, or you might find it fully booked.[/QUOTE]Why take the train when you can get a return ticket from Bangkok with airasia for 3000 baht?

I wanted to try the sleeper train. And I really liked it. You waste a couple of hours compared to the plane but you also save 4000 baths (back and forth) , and it's more convenient. You take the MRT to the train station, get in the train, go to sleep, and you wake up at your destination (center of town as opposed to an airport one hour away). No taxi, traffic jam, waiting at the gate for an hour, security checks, etc.

Oscars, runs 1400 full service no tip required, In the center of town at the fair grounds. Go to the corner intersection that has the big Handa shop, at that intersection have the honda shop on your right and you pointed down the main drag. At that intersection turn left. ITs a small black sign about 30yards up on the right. Pick from the fish bowl pay your money and enjoy.

[QUOTE=Gorgon;1147233]There is some older mentions about possible soapies in udon thani. Anyone with fresh insight or some directions if there are places still around?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1169867]I wanted to try the sleeper train. And I really liked it. [b]You waste a couple of hours compared to the plane [/b][/quote]I beg you pardon? You waste TWO valuable nights in comparison by flying to Udon. OK, you will save a lot of money. 2 nights hotel and a few barfines. Have fun.

[QUOTE=Titanio;1170287]I beg you pardon? You waste TWO valuable nights in comparison by flying to Udon. OK, you will save a lot of money. 2 nights hotel and a few barfines. Have fun.[/QUOTE]It is a good point. For the tourist on a short duration visit, the two nights lost (plus possible sleeping-in-a-vehicle lag the next day) will not be worth the small monetary savings. For the long-stayer in Thailand it is a reasonable option. I would remark that for picturesqueness, which is after all the main point of train travel nowadays, the over-nighter to Chiang Mai is better, or taking little third class jaunts in the afternoon from one Isaan town to another.

However Bangkok to Udon Thani I would like to recommend the bus, particularly for those who can't plan things several days ahead. Chan Tour operates very frequent 'VIP' coaches to Udon, and while they do take a while. About 8 hours I think, they are much quicker than the train, and are rarely sold out except during major holidays. You simply show up to Mochit Bus Station and you can usually buy a ticket to leave within one hour, sometimes leaving so immediately you have to run to the bus. I don't know much about the daytime coaches. They're less often, perhaps one every two hours. But from about eight PM to about midnight or 12:30 there are coaches leaving for Udon about every half hour.

[QUOTE=Titanio;1170287]I beg you pardon? You waste TWO valuable nights in comparison by flying to Udon. OK, you will save a lot of money. 2 nights hotel and a few barfines. Have fun.[/QUOTE]Settle down, bro. It's all a matter of perspective. Yes if you are only in Asia / Thailand for ten days then you may feel it's oh-so-critical to bar fine girls every single night. That isn't my situation. I'm quite happy in fact to have a night off once in a while.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1170798]However Bangkok to Udon Thani I would like to recommend the bus, particularly for those who can't plan things several days ahead. Chan Tour operates very frequent 'VIP' coaches to Udon, and while they do take a while. About 8 hours I think, they are much quicker than the train, and are rarely sold out except during major holidays. You simply show up to Mochit Bus Station and you can usually buy a ticket to leave within one hour, sometimes leaving so immediately you have to run to the bus. I don't know much about the daytime coaches. They're less often, perhaps one every two hours. But from about eight PM to about midnight or 12:30 there are coaches leaving for Udon about every half hour.[/QUOTE]If the guy takes an overnight train he will spend the night on the train.

If he takes a bus leaving in the late afternoon, his mongering night is gone anyway.

Unless you suggest he takes a daytime bus. Arriving at destination in the early evening hours?

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1170901]If the guy takes an overnight train he will spend the night on the train.

If he takes a bus leaving in the late afternoon, his mongering night is gone anyway.

Unless you suggest he takes a daytime bus. Arriving at destination in the early evening hours? [/QUOTE]No no, I wasn't offering the bus as having a different timetable than the train, just as a last-minute option. The train you have to generally book ahead, the bus you just show up and go. It is good for cheapskates with a bit of time and not much money, like yours truly.

Also I don't recommend taking day-buses in Thailand. Unless it is the bus from Bangkok to Pattaya. Most of the day buses have inadequate air conditioning and you'll sweat. It can be maddening to be stuck in a bus with barely working air. By contrast the air is usually far too cold on the night buses. Be sure to bring your jackets and wear long pants. But its still generally better than the daytime sweat-box.

[quote=chill out;1170804]settle down, bro. it's all a matter of perspective. yes if you are only in asia / thailand for ten days then you may feel it's oh-so-critical to bar fine girls every single night. that isn't my situation. i'm quite happy in fact to have a night off once in a while.[/quote]sorry mate, i was judging based on the assumption that you were a tourist on a 2 weeks vacation trip. and losing 2 nights out of 14 would have been a lot. but even when i actually spend around 60 days a year in thailand and surroundings, i would not think of a sleeper train at all. vip bus, as o**** says, is a way better option, but prices can go up to a level that it is just marginal cheaper than nok air from dmk.

No problem.

If you are a short term tourist, as I said in my first post about Udon, in my opinion you shouldn't go to Udon at all. Stick to BKK or Pattaya. It's more pleasant and easy and you'll get better service. Udon is ok if you have time, you want to explore, or you have a really small budget.

I'm surprised you guys recommend buses. I would never recommend travelling by bus, or by normal train, if you can avoid it. You can't lay down on a bus and have normal sleep. 8 hours on a bus or normal train is hard. When I came back from Udon, I didn't listen to Goyave (silly me) and went one day too late to buy my ticket and I had to return on a normal seat, not in the sleeper section. That was not pleasant, at all.

But the sleeper train was a breeze and actually fun. Maybe it wouldn't be so fun on the 10th time ;) But really, no comparison at all to a long bus ride. I arrived in Udon totally refreshed and like I hadn't traveled at all.

[quote=chill out;1171001]i'm surprised you guys recommend buses. i would never recommend travelling by bus, or by normal train, if you can avoid it. you can't lay down on a bus and have normal sleep.[/quote]i agree buses are unpleasant, but if you're on a budget, its an option, particularly if you can't book ahead.

[quote=titanio;1170971]vip bus, as o**** says, is a way better option, but prices can go up to a level that it is just marginal cheaper than nok air from dmk.[/quote]its 'opebo', by the way. but the vip bus is much cheaper than the air flight. usually quite a bit less than half.

[QUOTE=Opebo; 1171111]I agree buses are unpleasant, but if you're on a budget, its an option, particularly if you can't book ahead.

Its 'Opebo', by the way. But the VIP bus is much cheaper than the air flight. Usually quite a bit less than half.[/QUOTE]That was a typo error. Sorry Mr. Opebo. I didn't know about the bus prices to Udon as I only once made a long distance trip by VIP bus from Hua Hin to Hat Yai (way too long) but paid something like 1200 Bt, ut that is long time ago. Currently I rarely to a VIP bus trip from Chiang Mai to Mae Sai in 4 hours for something like 300 Bt.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1171001]No problem.

I'm surprised you guys recommend buses. I would never recommend travelling by bus, or by normal train[/QUOTE]Buses don't require booking in advance, just hop on to a taxi and get to MorChit anytime between 8 am and 11 pm, and you're on your way (a bus departs every 30-90 min to most places). If you're not 100% sure about places you're visiting and how long you'd like to stay, they're by far the best choice.

VIP buses from better companies are comfortable, with 3-abreast seating and ample legroom -- as good as 1980s style business class on airlines. You won't get perfect sleep, but with earplugs and eye cover, a passable shuteye is likely.

The VIP bus run to Udon takes 7h door-to-door, overnight (or at any convenient time. If you miss it, next one leaves soon). The plane takes 4h+ door-to-door (go to the airport, check in, go through security, wait, get transport to town). Usually *not* at the most convenient time, especially with low-cost fares.

Costs work out the same way. It's 600 baht for the VIP bus (+100 for taxi to Morchit). For the plane, you *might* get that great promo 999 baht fare for the plane (limited times / dates) and then pay 300 baht to Don Muang. 100 baht to center of Udon (after the haggle) , and perhaps several hundred in fuel / convenience / tax / bogus charges to boot. Plus, going by overnight bus you generally save 1-2 nights of hotel cost (which makes them effectively free). Sure, you *could* get that perfectly timed evening or morning flight, but not for 999 baht, and not any day.

Trains in Thailand suck. None of the flexibility and dependability of the buses, and none of the comfort of Western trains. Unobstructed views of rice paddies are their *only* redeeming feature.

Sorry for the rant...

I recently visited Udon Thani where I found the sois open and thriving. Not only were things proceeding suprisingly openly on Soi 2, there was even one house that had a picture window! Imagine the boldness, given what's coming. I was travelling with Thai friends so they insisted on going (as always) only to the 'best house' - the 800 baht one - and I made the mistake of taking there. The girl was young and cute of course, but was so small inside I could barely enter with the hated condom strangling me. Nothing else could be had for promises of tips, and no blow job was allowed. Ended up with a hand job, which I very foolishly allowed to finish.

An hour or two later I tried again at one of the much more appealing 500 baht houses on the same soi, where I found a slim and attractive girl of a more reasonable age. Say 23 or 24 instead of 18. This girl provided excellent sex precisely as I liked it, without even a specific promise of the tip amount (though I did have to mention that there would be one forthcoming for the extra service). Alas, I was unable to finish due to the pointless hand job at the other house. What a waste! Not at all unlike stuffing yourself on Macdonalds only to be offered a three course French meal for free immediately afterwards.

I gave this fine girl an enormous tip in return for the extensive damage my prodigiousness and interminability had done to her, along with a promise to return on the morrow and 'set' then (set meaning finish in Thai). After putzing about the town for another hour I thought I'd try again, and went back to the 800 baht house. Foolish I know but I didn't want to waste my time in the better (cheaper and more amenable) houses if I weren't in tip-top rogering form. Surprisingly, I was able to talk the girl into what I wanted this time, but she was oddly unattractive, and smelled not that good, and lastly it took so long to persuade her I couldn't even get it up anymore at that point. Sometimes its just too much frustration at these places to stay interested, and also sometimes in the mix of fairly attractive girls they have these oddities that just some how feel and smell wrong. I left again unrequited. The lesson being - never go to the 800 baht house.

So, out of three, one was superbe and the others abysmal. This is a pretty typical ratio for the Sois of Udon, and in fact I was probably lucky. In any case I have little doubt the sois will be closed down again soon as they were a few years ago last time we had the populist anti-sex government.