General Reports

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2066982]Please share your experience with Black Ant. How long have you been taking these tablets? I assume this has helped your performance?
To play devils advocate, it could be the generic Cialis boosting your performance.

A common complaint is that Black Ant does NOT list all the ingredients on the label. So you are not sure what you are ingesting.
On gymjunkies dot com there is a review of Black Ant which says the FDA has warned people not to take these pills.

Thanks,
~BKKguru.[/QUOTE]I have had no negative side effects, feelings of light-headedness, dizziness, headache or anything else with Black Ant King. One whole tablet of BAK is probably enough to do a good job. And if I feel that it will be enough, I might not pop anything else later. But I am aware of the heat / storage issues with these products so I have both BAK and the 100 MG Tadalafil on hand and take them in half tablet form incrementally ahead of time in order to get a sense of the potency. So, you are right, it could be either one that is doing the trick on any given day. Many times a half tab of BAK earlier in the day and one tab of the Tadalafil is more than enough.

A few months ago, my friend left me a stash of genuine Viagra (20 MG, I think.) he had bought for top dollar in a USA pharmacy but didn't want his wife to find it in his luggage back home. When I took a whole one of those tabs and nothing else, I did experience the classic flushed face, cloudiness around the eyes, slight dizziness I have not experienced much at all from my current half tab BAK and whole tab 100 MG Tadalafil regimen. And with no better boner results.

The sellers often push another Black Ant King type product, I think it is called Red Tiger something or other on the premise that it is "stronger". My experience is it is no stronger and might not even be as strong.

On my most recent trip to Sharks on Soi Cowboy last week, I decided to go against my usual policy of choosing youth over experience. Although there are price considerations on the barfine for Coyote Girls at Sharks vs. The others, that hasn't really been an issue. Mostly its been about a fitter, firmer body type. However, on this occasion, having arrived on Tuesday about 10 pm, I immediately took notice of number 75. She had a nice body, a happy go lucky kind of look, long hair, good skin and was generally my type. She also seemed to enjoy dancing and was having fun on the stage (found out later she works from around 7 pm).

Anyway having got her attention and she mine we shared a few drinks in the bar. Her English was good and up close she didn't disappoint. I found out as we chatted that she was 35, and had a 15 yr old son, so got myself acclimatized to the idea of having sex with a MILF. I did ponder it for a little while, but after asking her about services (everything but anal, her words "not the ass".), and her grooming (completely shaved), I made the deal (700 BF, 3000 for 2. 5 hrs) and headed back to my place.

When we arrived, I got us a couple of beers and we chatted a bit longer. At first I thought she might be a bit reserved, but after about 15 minutes we started kissing (DFK) and taking our clothes off. "Ie" I found to have nice curves, a firm body, includiing firm the cup breasts, and generally very appealing to both my eyes and touch. We fondled each other for a while and then decided best to take a shower. She went first and then I followed, and when I returned to the bedroom, "Ie" was lying with a towel on the bed smiling at me.

I joined her and we continued where we had left off. Gradually removing each others towels, and mutually exploring each others bodies with hands, tongues, mouths. I found "ie" to be very responsive in all departments, and she had an especially tasty twat. She took my mouth and her fingers, and while it took some time (as it always does) to get her fully aroused, she eventually climaxed in my mouth, with a fair amount of tasty lub.

After that, we started kissing some more and then "ie" went down on me. She slowly took my cock in her mouth, and swirled her tongue over my head while stroking my balls lightly with her fingers. She kept doing this pushing her mouth lower and lower and while she didn't attempt to deep throat me, I was nevertheless very aroused when we moved to sex.

The sex started out with "IE" sitting on my cock and rotating her hips and then I lifted her butt and began to move in a circular motion pushing my cock deeper into her now wet and hot hole. We tried different variations of sitting, and squatting until I felt her vaginal muscles start to tighten around my shaft. At that point I pushed up the pace, and was rewarded by a lot of heavy breathing and OMGs (and some expletives too). I was getting closer to the edge but made sure that "IE" had a few orgasm before I joined her, shooting a thick load in the cover.

After that we sat on the bed for a while together just talking. "IE" had another shower and given it was getting on to 1:30 am and she had a day job and her son, I gave her a tip, called her an UBER and made sure she got home. We talked in the lift about exchanging LINE IDs but I told her I would just come to see her again at Sharks which I will.

While I can't say that experience over youth is a winning formula for me, having had two different shark girls last week, one 19 and the other 35, there are definitely certain things when it comes to giving among more experienced women generally that should be appreciated.

For those that think you are safe storing pics in the cloud:

[URL]http://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/dropbox-led-online-child-pornography-stash-cobb-man-arrest/CSfAM0Jk32mztu8RwKP8wK/[/URL]

[QUOTE=DavidRim;2066310]Hi guys. I went to a pharmacy in Phuket today asking for Cialis and she asked me if I wanted real at 2750 Baht or copy at 700 Baht. Thinking the copy was a generic, I bought it but realise now it's a copy Cialis, much like you find on the streets of BKK.

Has anyone taken these and if so, do they work and are they considered safe? Internet search says not to take, but of course they are news sites etc and maybe just scaremongering. Anyone experience of this?[/QUOTE]I buy "megalis" when I am Phnom Penh, but I think it is also available in BKK. I have had very good results with it. It is an Indian knock-off I believe.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2067566]For those that think you are safe storing pics in the cloud:

[URL]http://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/dropbox-led-online-child-pornography-stash-cobb-man-arrest/CSfAM0Jk32mztu8RwKP8wK/[/URL][/QUOTE]The guy stashed away videos of ****age girls. Pervert deserves it. Storing pics of normal adult women has never been a problem.

As for any stuff on the cloud being 100% secure, well one has got to be some sort of retard to believe that.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2068003]As for any stuff on the cloud being 100% secure, well one has got to be some sort of retard to believe that.[/QUOTE]Keep in mind that many of us have our smartphones configured to automatically back up our pictures to the cloud, you might not even realize it. Mine does exactly that, but the few suggestive pictures that I want to keep are quickly transferred to separate media and removed from the cloud.

Even so, I can never be sure what copies might exist after a picture enters the cloud.

They were useless, tried them twice. As a regular Cialis user I'd normally get 2 days out of a 20 MG, these did nothing for me really. Lesson learnt, back to the real Cialis or if I can find a proper generic I'll go for that.

[QUOTE=DavidRim;2066310]Hi guys. I went to a pharmacy in Phuket today asking for Cialis and she asked me if I wanted real at 2750 Baht or copy at 700 Baht. Thinking the copy was a generic, I bought it but realise now it's a copy Cialis, much like you find on the streets of BKK.

Has anyone taken these and if so, do they work and are they considered safe? Internet search says not to take, but of course they are news sites etc and maybe just scaremongering. Anyone experience of this?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DavidRim;2068224]They were useless, tried them twice. As a regular Cialis user I'd normally get 2 days out of a 20 MG, these did nothing for me really. Lesson learnt, back to the real Cialis or if I can find a proper generic I'll go for that.[/QUOTE]Interesting discussion. I have tried Kamagra Gel, it works quickly in about 15 minutes, but for me it has not so long effect. You say you get 2 days out of a 20 MG. Do you split the pill in smaller pieces, or only one pill work that long? I read DavidRim was offered Cialis for 2750 baht, how many pills for that price?

Another question, I read somewhere in this forum about a super thin condom made in Japan. Don't remember the name, so I hope somebody can update on name and where to buy them.

I tend to get a delayed reaction from Cialis, so take it about 12 - 24 hours in advance. Not ideal but Viagra does nothing for me whatsoever and from a 20 MG pill I will get a full 24 hours once it kicks in, maybe longer. I actually started splitting the pills and taking half then half again once it's subsided, seems to work a treat too. 2750 was the price for 4 x 20 MG. Expensive, sure I can get cheaper elsewhere here. Will try in Patong soon.

[QUOTE=DextroSol;2068248]Interesting discussion. I have tried Kamagra Gel, it works quickly in about 15 minutes, but for me it has not so long effect. You say you get 2 days out of a 20 MG. Do you split the pill in smaller pieces, or only one pill work that long? I read DavidRim was offered Cialis for 2750 baht, how many pills for that price?

Another question, I read somewhere in this forum about a super thin condom made in Japan. Don't remember the name, so I hope somebody can update on name and where to buy them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DavidRim;2068255]I tend to get a delayed reaction from Cialis, so take it about 12 - 24 hours in advance. Not ideal but Viagra does nothing for me whatsoever and from a 20 MG pill I will get a full 24 hours once it kicks in, maybe longer. I actually started splitting the pills and taking half then half again once it's subsided, seems to work a treat too. 2750 was the price for 4 x 20 MG. Expensive, sure I can get cheaper elsewhere here. Will try in Patong soon.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tips, I will try Cialis, for sure!!

[QUOTE=DextroSol;2068375]Thanks for the tips, I will try Cialis, for sure!![/QUOTE]I don't use cialis anymore because at times it gives me headaches. And it lasts 3 days. So if it does result in a headache, I have a headache for 3 days straight.

[QUOTE=DextroSol;2068248]Another question, I read somewhere in this forum about a super thin condom made in Japan. Don't remember the name, so I hope somebody can update on name and where to buy them.[/QUOTE]I believe Crown is what you're after. They are cheap on Amazon - 50 pack for $10 usd.

The only side effects I get are from overuse and I get kidney pain. That's if I've taken 3 x 20 MG in as many days.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2068376]I don't use cialis anymore because at times it gives me headaches. And it lasts 3 days. So if it does result in a headache, I have a headache for 3 days straight.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LGuy1;2068382]I believe Crown is what you're after. They are cheap on Amazon - 50 pack for $10 usd.[/QUOTE]Thank you LGuy1, I will look into that!!

[QUOTE=DextroSol;2068248]Interesting discussion. I have tried Kamagra Gel, it works quickly in about 15 minutes, but for me it has not so long effect. You say you get 2 days out of a 20 MG. Do you split the pill in smaller pieces, or only one pill work that long? I read DavidRim was offered Cialis for 2750 baht, how many pills for that price?

Another question, I read somewhere in this forum about a super thin condom made in Japan. Don't remember the name, so I hope somebody can update on name and where to buy them.[/QUOTE]I tried Apcalis-sx 20 (generic Tadalafil 20 MG) made in India as a substitute for Viagra hoping to reduce the side effects. I purchased 5 boxes of 4 pills (250-500 baht) and they consistently worked well for me with minimal side effects and lasted well into the next day if taken in the afternoon. However, for some reason they are no longer available in the pharmacies that I use.

My experience with generic Viagra has ranged from no effect at all to a dick so stiff a cat couldn't scratch it to a visit to Bangkok hospital thinking I was having a heart attack.

Sagami and Okamoto make super thin condoms 0.01 but you have to check the size carefully as they tend to run toward the smaller size. The Sagami 0.02 and 0.03 are widely available in BKK.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2068376]I don't use cialis anymore because at times it gives me headaches. And it lasts 3 days. So if it does result in a headache, I have a headache for 3 days straight.[/QUOTE]When I use Kamagra Gel I always get a runny nose. Don't know if I'd like to take the risk of 3 days with headache.

[QUOTE=DextroSol;2068248]Interesting discussion. I have tried Kamagra Gel, it works quickly in about 15 minutes, but for me it has not so long effect. You say you get 2 days out of a 20 MG. Do you split the pill in smaller pieces, or only one pill work that long? I read DavidRim was offered Cialis for 2750 baht, how many pills for that price?

Another question, I read somewhere in this forum about a super thin condom made in Japan. Don't remember the name, so I hope somebody can update on name and where to buy them.[/QUOTE]Kamagra (Sildenafil) is not intended to last a long time. At 4 hours it is supposed to be at only 50% effective (which may well be more than enough for some people). So it is best used when sex is going to happen soon, if you don't think your dick will stay up long enough. 100 MG dose is far too high for most guys. 25 MG may well work well.

Cialis (Tadalafil) or generic Apcalis is supposed to last for much longer duration. Probably best to not split this one (I am not sure). It does nothing much in my case, so I don't bother to use it. Sounds like it doesn't work that well for DavidRim either but that is not the case for everyone. His delayed reaction, scientifically seems unlikely. Maybe some other factors interacted. E. g. I found my dick did not work well when took cough medication. Cough medication dulls feeling in your throat and in your dick as well. I envy those who need to drink alcohol to dull the feeling in the dick so they can last longer. I have opposite problem. Takes me too long to cum, so I certainly don't need plenty of alcohol to dampen the dick sensitivity further.

A girl recently asked me for advice to improve the sex life with her man, because when she rode him cowgirl style (in order to cum), his dick would wilt too quickly. Normally sex with him was all over too quickly so she never got to cum. I advised that she need to dose him with Kamagra, and apparently the advice worked well. He now stays up better so she can get her cum as well. I also advised her to lose her shyness and train him up in DATY. Haven't got a report on how that part went yet.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2068723]Recently bagged a job at Bangkok. The pay is a little above 70 k per month and will increase in coming times. Work location would be around Ekamai.
Do you guys think after all the expenses (except on girls), I'll be able to save 50%+ of my salary every month? FYI, I'm planning to rent a 1 bedroom condo.

Where I'm working right now, pays me 40% more than this salary but since it's Thailand I'm willing to compromise. Any suggestion / comment on expenses in general would be appreciated.

Tom.[/QUOTE]70 k would not be enough for all of us, however I am used to earning more and have too many regular commitments. If you don't have any things that you have to pay, then 70 k may well be okay Especially if is only a 40 k drop for you.

Look around and try to get a very cost effective room. You don't want to pay very high for that I guess. One guy told me he stays in one room accommodation for 10 K around Thonglor area. Can pay less if further out. However this is apartment block, not really "condo" quality. Higher quality can cost heaps more.

You can eat very cheaply in Thailand by buying food from street stalls or even preparing it yourself. I use an induction cooker on my balcony otherwise have only microwave on top of the fridge.

So with no mongering, no dependents to support, and living fugally you could well save 50 K per month. The catch is what your lifestyle will be. Will you eat and drink at the sports pub or restaurants? Transport costs. Holiday costs. Will you spend too much on girls? How many fucks do you need per month? How will you make them cheap ones? Will you manage to get freebies? Do you have any other expensive hobbies? I don't need to know your answers. You need to make a budget, and see how little savings will be left.

However be aware that guys thought they could live on tight budget but it is not always as much fun as they hoped. Others complained that originally their budget was fine, but costs went up, especially for mongering.

Suggest trying for very cheap room to stay at the start and see how your budget goes before upgrading to higher quality accomodation. If was me I would want to minimise overheads.

If I never had any GFs and never mongered, I would be very rich by now. LOL

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2068846]70 k would not be enough for all of us, however I am used to earning more and have too many regular commitments. If you don't have any things that you have to pay, then 70 k may well be okay Especially if is only a 40 k drop for you.

Look around and try to get a very cost effective room. You don't want to pay very high for that I guess. One guy told me he stays in one room accommodation for 10 K around Thonglor area. Can pay less if further out. However this is apartment block, not really "condo" quality. Higher quality can cost heaps more.

You can eat very cheaply in Thailand by buying food from street stalls or even preparing it yourself. I use an induction cooker on my balcony otherwise have only microwave on top of the fridge.[/QUOTE]I appreciate it!

Mongering is something one should never add in monthly budget since it might go up / down depending upon one's taste and need. That's the only reason I didn't sum up the money which will go towards ladies. I do am going to spend some money on account of GF and those expenses will be recurring from my savings, and it varies month to month. I'm planning to get an induction to start cooking every now and then to save some money from that part. While going as a tourist I used to spend more on girls, but I believe this is something I'll have to control for sure. I did look into few rental pages in Facebook and it looks like 12 k is the minimum budget for a Studio /1 Bedroom condo with minimal facilities and not on a prime location.

Other things like transportation, vacations may be twice or thrice a year will be accountable from my savings. I know 70-75 k is not much but I'm trying to start with it making it as a base.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2068846] If I never had any GFs and never mongered, I would be very rich by now. LOL[/QUOTE]Me too. I've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on women and good booze. The rest I just wasted.

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;2068889]Me too. I've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on women and good booze. The rest I just wasted.[/QUOTE]George Best said it best.

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;2068889]Me too. I've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on women and good booze. The rest I just wasted.[/QUOTE]To paraphrase the old Visa / Mastercard commercial "Cost of Thai pussy: 10 million baht. The freedom I now have: priceless!

Cialis price update. Managed to get original Cialis in Patong for 2200 which is expensive but fair considering pricing elsewhere in the world. Definitely worth paying for branded, safe meds that actually work. Had a great weekend.

[QUOTE=DextroSol;2068248]Interesting discussion. I have tried Kamagra Gel, it works quickly in about 15 minutes, but for me it has not so long effect. You say you get 2 days out of a 20 MG. Do you split the pill in smaller pieces, or only one pill work that long? I read DavidRim was offered Cialis for 2750 baht, how many pills for that price?

Another question, I read somewhere in this forum about a super thin condom made in Japan. Don't remember the name, so I hope somebody can update on name and where to buy them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2068855]I appreciate it!

Mongering is something one should never add in monthly budget since it might go up / down depending upon one's taste and need. That's the only reason I didn't sum up the money which will go towards ladies. I do am going to spend some money on account of GF and those expenses will be recurring from my savings, and it varies month to month. I'm planning to get an induction to start cooking every now and then to save some money from that part. While going as a tourist I used to spend more on girls, but I believe this is something I'll have to control for sure. I did look into few rental pages in Facebook and it looks like 12 k is the minimum budget for a Studio /1 Bedroom condo with minimal facilities and not on a prime location.

Other things like transportation, vacations may be twice or thrice a year will be accountable from my savings. I know 70-75 k is not much but I'm trying to start with it making it as a base.[/QUOTE]I would suggest only keep the GF if she is very good value for money. Very few of my GFs have been, perhaps I am not stingy enough. Mongering can be cheaper unless GF gives a very good fuck very regularly.

Bear in mind that Electricity charges, to run your air con, are significant and could add 2k per month.

Yes I would not be surprised if nothing lower than 12K around Ekkamai. Market spoiled by presence of so many Japanese. I live (part time) further out where prices are a bit better. Many working girls live very cheaply (for rent) in Phra Khanong just a bit further out, but rooms standard maybe too low.

If was me, and I did not make a mongering budget, I could spend it all. I have cut back a lot on girls and also on dining and drinking outside home. If you like restaurants and pubs too much, you will spend. I have cut my attendance to the sports pub, because it has good food but it is not cheap.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2068723]Recently bagged a job at Bangkok. The pay is a little above 70 k per month and will increase in coming times. Work location would be around Ekamai.

Do you guys think after all the expenses (except on girls), I'll be able to save 50%+ of my salary every month? FYI, I'm planning to rent a 1 bedroom condo.

I've been to BKK numerous times but as a tourist, so honestly no idea about monthly expenses. I searched over Internet for this but most of the information available are outdated!

Where I'm working right now, pays me 40% more than this salary but since it's Thailand I'm willing to compromise.

Any suggestion / comment on expenses in general would be appreciated.

Tom.[/QUOTE]If you plan to monger and rent a decent condo on suk, then the full 70 K won't be enough. Forget about 35 k. In my opinion, for the first few months, you will probably burn through most of your savings as well because it's difficult not to live like a tourist when you first arrive. It will seem like an extended vacation. Then when the money runs out and you start to live pay check to pay check, reality sets in. My advice is as follows:

Rent a modest apt outside the city centre but near the BTS line such as the lat Phrao area. It should cost about 6,000 Baht per month plus utilities. Eat Thai food from street food stalls and walk wherever you can. If your goal is to find a Thai girlfriend, then you can afford a nicer place to live. But if you want to practice this hobby, stick to this plan. With this plan, you should be able to monger 2 times per month. Do an oily and then pick up one freelancer. Unfortunate, the go go scene will be easy to blow your cash. A normal night out on Soi Cowboy or nana always runs me 6-8 K. That includes drinks for me and lady drinks for the girls in 3 or 4 different bars, a bite to eat, the bar fine, ST time room, and the St or LT rate for the girl. You can see just by this example, it won't be possible to save 35 K and be a regular monger at the go go bars.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2069041]I would suggest only keep the GF if she is very good value for money. Very few of my GFs have been, perhaps I am not stingy enough. Mongering can be cheaper unless GF gives a very good fuck very regularly.

Bear in mind that Electricity charges, to run your air con, are significant and could add 2k per month.

Yes I would not be surprised if nothing lower than 12K around Ekkamai. Market spoiled by presence of so many Japanese. I live (part time) further out where prices are a bit better. Many working girls live very cheaply (for rent) in Phra Khanong just a bit further out, but rooms standard maybe too low.

If was me, and I did not make a mongering budget, I could spend it all. I have cut back a lot on girls and also on dining and drinking outside home. If you like restaurants and pubs too much, you will spend. I have cut my attendance to the sports pub, because it has good food but it is not cheap.[/QUOTE]Completely agree with you. It looks like it's going to be steep to live, enjoy and save a bit in this budget. May be I need to negotiate the offer to get more as an expat.

I wouldn't mind staying a bit away from Ekkamai, but if I'm going to spend more on transportation, it's not going to worth it. When I was dating this girl, she used to give me nice fucks but after she become GF the experience drastically changed. Now she is more like a starfish in bed and more passive during sex compared to earlier times. However she does give me regular fucks, although sometimes she argues with me about it. Now I'm habituated to it and kind of adjusted myself. I honestly don't think I'm going to spend much on fucks, may be once or twice a month on other girls.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2068846]70 k would not be enough for all of us, however I am used to earning more and have too many regular commitments. If you don't have any things that you have to pay, then 70 k may well be okay Especially if is only a 40 k drop for you.

Look around and try to get a very cost effective room. You don't want to pay very high for that I guess. One guy told me he stays in one room accommodation for 10 K around Thonglor area. Can pay less if further out. However this is apartment block, not really "condo" quality. Higher quality can cost heaps more.

You can eat very cheaply in Thailand by buying food from street stalls or even preparing it yourself. I use an induction cooker on my balcony otherwise have only microwave on top of the fridge.

So with no mongering, no dependents to support, and living fugally you could well save 50 K per month. The catch is what your lifestyle will be. Will you eat and drink at the sports pub or restaurants? Transport costs. Holiday costs. Will you spend too much on girls? How many fucks do you need per month? How will you make them cheap ones? Will you manage to get freebies? Do you have any other expensive hobbies? I don't need to know your answers. You need to make a budget, and see how little savings will be left.

However be aware that guys thought they could live on tight budget but it is not always as much fun as they hoped. Others complained that originally their budget was fine, but costs went up, especially for mongering.

Suggest trying for very cheap room to stay at the start and see how your budget goes before upgrading to higher quality accomodation. If was me I would want to minimise overheads.

If I never had any GFs and never mongered, I would be very rich by now. LOL[/QUOTE]All these points are very good. I notice the op said he's willing to take a pay cut because, well it's Bangkok. I assume that means he's excited to live here for obvious reasons. That being the case, I don't think he'll save any money whether he has a Thai girlfriend or no girlfriend and mongers. If he wants both, then his budget will be completely out of wak.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2069063]If you plan to monger and rent a decent condo on suk, then the full 70 K won't be enough. Forget about 35 k. In my opinion, for the first few months, you will probably burn through most of your savings as well because it's difficult not to live like a tourist when you first arrive. It will seem like an extended vacation. Then when the money runs out and you start to live pay check to pay check, reality sets in. My advice is as follows:

Rent a modest apt outside the city centre but near the BTS line such as the lat Phrao area. It should cost about 6,000 Baht per month plus utilities. Eat Thai food from street food stalls and walk wherever you can. If your goal is to find a Thai girlfriend, then you can affford a nicer place to live. But if you want to practice this hobby, stick to this plan. With this plan, you should be able to monger 2 times per month. Do an oily and then pick up one freelancer. Unfortunalty, the go go scene will be easy to blow your cash. A normal night out on Soi Cowboy or nana always runs me 6-8 K. That includes drinks for me and lady drinks for the girls in 3 or 4 different bars, a bite to eat, the bar fine, ST time room, and the St or LT rate for the girl. You can see just by this example, it won't be possible to save 35 K and be a regular monger at the go go bars.[/QUOTE]You said the truth. Going into mongering mode will exhaust all the amount, forget about saving. I already have a GF (I spend on her as well) and I'm hoping to fulfill my fuck needs mostly with her. However few visits to Oilies or GoGos is expected, like you said twice a month or so.

I definitely will rent a condo that's why planned a budget of 12 k for this. I'm planning to cook my dinner at home and lunch outside, thus saving some on food. Breakfast and snacks on weekdays will be offered at my workplace. I'm expecting a rough expenditure of 35-40 k per month including everything. However more expenses are expected if visiting GoGos more often!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2069063] A normal night out on Soi Cowboy or nana always runs me 6-8 K. That includes drinks for me and lady drinks for the girls in 3 or 4 different bars, a bite to eat, the bar fine, ST time room, and the St or LT rate for the girl. You can see just by this example, it won't be possible to save 35 K and be a regular monger at the go go bars.[/QUOTE]That's about right. I was in Bangkok a few weeks ago and spent around 7 k for the night. Had quite a bit to drink since I was on a 1 day visa run from Pakistan and had built up a month long thirst. Drinks for some girls, take a girl back tot he hotel, etc. All adds up.

If I lived in Bangkok 70 k would even cover my bar bills.

Senior in BKk,

I need some help and guidance. I will have Saturday night and there in BLk till Monday afternoon. I have done both BkK and Pattaya in the past. Not sure what I should do. Never been on such a short trip. Any suggestions? Saturday seems more logical for BKk and Sunday is where I am confused. Any help. Will love to see Thai including Issan girls and Russians.

[QUOTE=Shekhar647;2069213]Senior in BKk,

I need some help and guidance. I will have Saturday night and there in BLk till Monday afternoon. I have done both BkK and Pattaya in the past. Not sure what I should do. Never been on such a short trip. Any suggestions? Saturday seems more logical for BKk and Sunday is where I am confused. Any help. Will love to see Thai including Issan girls and Russians.[/QUOTE]Better go to Pattaya. If you'll do both, a lot of time you will spend on traveling and getting tired. Or if your flight timings are not matching for Pattaya, better stay at Bangkok. But be remembered that weekend usually attracts more people thus becomes expensive in terms of getting a fuck.

Better stay away from Russians, they will rip you off without literally providing anything. However if you still insists, better go any Freelance club like Thermae / Mixx and try your luck. Don't try the online services. Read fee pages of earlier reviews to get more idea.

Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2069063]If you plan to monger and rent a decent condo on suk, then the full 70 K won't be enough. Forget about 35 k. In my opinion, for the first few months, you will probably burn through most of your savings as well because it's difficult not to live like a tourist when you first arrive. It will seem like an extended vacation. Then when the money runs out and you start to live pay check to pay check, reality sets in. My advice is as follows:

Rent a modest apt outside the city centre but near the BTS line such as the lat Phrao area. It should cost about 6,000 Baht per month plus utilities. Eat Thai food from street food stalls and walk wherever you can. If your goal is to find a Thai girlfriend, then you can affford a nicer place to live. But if you want to practice this hobby, stick to this plan. With this plan, you should be able to monger 2 times per month. Do an oily and then pick up one freelancer. Unfortunalty, the go go scene will be easy to blow your cash. A normal night out on Soi Cowboy or nana always runs me 6-8 K. That includes drinks for me and lady drinks for the girls in 3 or 4 different bars, a bite to eat, the bar fine, ST time room, and the St or LT rate for the girl. You can see just by this example, it won't be possible to save 35 K and be a regular monger at the go go bars.[/QUOTE]The problem with living in a small Thai style apartment is that there is generally no convenient way to cook, you may or may not have hot water, there are no exercise facilities, its noisy and after a while you get "cabin fever" and need to get out which always costs a lot more money than you think. If you are too far from the BTS transportation cost start to add up and it may be difficult to get a taxi or motorcycle. I live in a larger condo close to the BTS with a well equipped kitchen, washer / dryer, a gym and pool and don't mind spending time here and in fact often have friends over for dinner. In the long run this has proven to be cheaper and more typical of the style a farang is used to living. I think it would be difficult for the average farang to live like a Thai. The mongering aspect is a separate issue you will have to deal with depending on your needs.

[QUOTE=Shekhar647;2069213]Senior in BKk,

I need some help and guidance. I will have Saturday night and there in BLk till Monday afternoon. I have done both BkK and Pattaya in the past. Not sure what I should do. Never been on such a short trip. Any suggestions? Saturday seems more logical for BKk and Sunday is where I am confused. Any help. Will love to see Thai including Issan girls and Russians.[/QUOTE]Any day s the same in LOS when it is time to monger, Saturday or Sunday or working week.

Only difference is a religious holiday or royal event / anniversary. The sale of alcohol is prohibited and bars might even be closed.

Just stock your fridge if needed and boom girls through wechat or TF.

I would venture that Pattaya even if known to you. No much tourism but 100% scoring to make the few days memorable.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2069063]In my opinion, for the first few months, you will probably burn through most of your savings as well because it's difficult not to live like a tourist when you first arrive. It will seem like an extended vacation. Then when the money runs out and you start to live pay check to pay check, reality sets in. [/QUOTE]This is REALLY good advice.

[QUOTE=Soroche;2069319]... I live in a larger condo close to the BTS with a well equipped kitchen, washer / dryer, a gym and pool and don't mind spending time here and in fact often have friends over for dinner. In the long run this has proven to be cheaper and more typical of the style a farang is used to living. ...[/QUOTE]If you don't mind could you share the general location and a description (size, floor, view, balcony, rooms, etc,) of your place. Also the total cost by category (rent, service fee, utilities, etc.).

Thanks.

Is the sim card I get in pattaya the same card I will be wanting in phuket? Sim cards are not something I know much about. Thanks a lot.

[QUOTE=Gbartoli;2069958]If you don't mind could you share the general location and a description (size, floor, view, balcony, rooms, etc,) of your place. Also the total cost by category (rent, service fee, utilities, etc.).

Thanks.[/QUOTE]The condo is located on a soi near Ekamai BTS station, about 7-8 minute walk. It is in a 25-30 year old building but has been newly renovated. 130 m2, 2 bedrooms and 2 baths, large kitchen, washer / dryer in condo, two balconies providing a breeze through the condo. Nice pool on roof and old but adequate gym. Shit view but quiet. Rent is 30,000 baht and utilities run from 1200 to 3000 baht depending on season and visitors. 640 baht for internet. Covered parking.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2070030]Is the sim card I get in pattaya the same card I will be wanting in phuket? Sim cards are not something I know much about. Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]You will use the same SIM everywhere in Thailand. This week I bought an AIS 1-2- Call SIM at Terminal 21's 6th floor. B450 for 30 days with 3 GB data. Unlimited plans are slightly higher. AIS adds bonus data to the plan for no extra charge. It just happens. They've already added half a gig to my plan. Calls in Thailand are B1 per minute and calls to US are B3 per minute. AIS has good customer service by dialing 1175. You can call that number and set the language to English. I've used them a few times and they are pretty helpful. I'm getting 4 G service everywhere in BKK. Internet is blazing fast here. Faster than in California.

I'm sure you know you need to get your phone unlocked to use a Thai SIM card.

[QUOTE=Allover;2070093]You will use the same SIM everywhere in Thailand. This week I bought an AIS 1-2- Call SIM at Terminal 21's 6th floor. B450 for 30 days with 3 GB data. Unlimited plans are slightly higher. AIS adds bonus data to the plan for no extra charge. It just happens. They've already added half a gig to my plan. Calls in Thailand are B1 per minute and calls to US are B3 per minute. AIS has good customer service by dialing 1175. You can call that number and set the language to English. I've used them a few times and they are pretty helpful. I'm getting 4 G service everywhere in BKK. Internet is blazing fast here. Faster than in California.

I'm sure you know you need to get your phone unlocked to use a Thai SIM card.[/QUOTE]Great advice. Get 2 SIM cards if you can because the girls will be blowing up your phone if you give out your number. If you can download the app to block calls.

[QUOTE=Allover;2070093]... This week I bought an AIS 1-2- Call SIM at Terminal 21's 6th floor. B450 for 30 days with 3 GB data. [/QUOTE]Great information! Sounds like all I need to do is go to AIS on the 6th floor of Terminal 21 and they will take care of everything for about $14 US per month.

My last trip I used the international service offered by my USA based ATT. That cost about $120 per month for only 800 MB of data, and then I paid about $0.40 per minute for my calls to USA.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2070347]Great information! Sounds like all I need to do is go to AIS on the 6th floor of Terminal 21 and they will take care of everything for about $14 US per month.

My last trip I used the international service offered by my USA based ATT. That cost about $120 per month for only 800 MB of data, and then I paid about $0.40 per minute for my calls to USA.[/QUOTE]If you have iPhone or iPad you can down free MagicJack app and make free calls to USA and Canada over wifi. It will show you are calling from a Florida area code. I have found the calls to have better connection over strong wifi.

I am not sure it is free for android cell phones.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2070347]Great information! Sounds like all I need to do is go to AIS on the 6th floor of Terminal 21 and t+in hey will take care of everything for about $14 US per month.

My last trip I used the international service offered by my USA based ATT. That cost about $120 per month for only 800 MB of data, and then I paid about $0.40 per minute for my calls to USA.[/QUOTE]True and DTAC, the other major Thai cell providers, also have booths right next to AIS on T21's 6th floor. You can shop for the best deal. I prefer AIS because I feel it more English user friendly. You should have them set up the internet for you on your phone. The 3 carriers also have booths at BKK but I get slightly better deals elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2070349]If you have iPhone or iPad you can down free MagicJack app and make free calls to USA and Canada over wifi. It will show you are calling from a Florida area code. I have found the calls to have better connection over strong wifi.

I am not sure it is free for android cell phones.[/QUOTE]Thanks I will give this app a try.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2070347]My last trip I used the international service offered by my USA based ATT. That cost about $120 per month for only 800 MB of data, and then I paid about $0.40 per minute for my calls to USA.[/QUOTE]You get international unlimited free slow data and text and US0. 20 per min on calls on a Post Paid T-mobile plan which is primarily used in the US. Meaning you have a US number to receive calls or see the caller ID of the person calling. Many free US calling and receiving options.

IMHO, a cheap 2 SIM burner Android phone is worth the price for local data and calls. Some of the MOTO phones are under US100 on sale and can cover most of the worlds LTE bands.

Plenty of places around selling prepaid SIMs and the staff is willing to setup for you. You just need the APN settings.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2070347]
My last trip I used the international service offered by my USA based ATT. That cost about $120 per month for only 800 MB of data, and then I paid about $0.40 per minute for my calls to USA.[/QUOTE]I use the $60 add on which is for 300 MB and $0. 5 calls. I find this is enough for me since losts of places have free wifi.

There are many free Internet calling apps out there to make calls to the US. Fewer allow you to receive non Internet initiated calls. For Internet initiated calls, Whatsapp is very stable.

I've arrived in Bangkok, first trip for a year or so. A question and an observation.

Firstly, does anyone know when and why The Office off Soi 33 closed down? I went there looking for a beer at about 2100 hrs last night and it was closed down. Disappointing for me as I have had some good times there in the past.

Next, has anyone noticed how fat Thai women are getting in Bangkok in particular as Thailand getting more Westernized? I've got to say it's disappointing. Why the fuck Thai women want to look more like the fat Bush pigs we have to put up with in the west has got me stuffed. Has anyone else noticed this as well or is it an illusion?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2071682]I've arrived in Bangkok, first trip for a year or so. A question and an observation.

Firstly, does anyone know when and why The Office off Soi 33 closed down?

[/QUOTE]Office closed down some time last year, don't know exactly when. It was losing money IMHO, but difficult to get that confirmed. With sports on pay tv in Thailand the reason for the punters to show up just disappeared. The quality of the girls has been going downhill for some time, I got a few young ones out of there in the past years, but towards the end they were looking more like old aunties and the English was getting more difficult.

Dear all,

Although I am a member for several years, I took notice of the price thread today only.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1083-Prices[/URL]

The forum is full of posts complaining about increasing prices and guys asking for price information in paticular threads.

The price thread being a general one could be a very useful tool for all of us, so I would like to encourage my fellow mongers to put some recent info there. IMO it could be done in a brief way (widely practiced already) mentioning:

Country.

City.

Type of establishment.

ST / LT.

Looks of the lady X /10.

Performance X /10.

Price.

Link to your post.

Sorry for cross posting, happy mongering!

[QUOTE=Smily59;2073047]Country.
City.
Type of establishment.
ST / LT.
Looks of the lady X /10.
Performance X /10.
Price.
Link to your post.
Sorry for cross posting, happy mongering![/QUOTE]Interesting idea, but I could not be bothered switching forums, for one, and 2 ndly hate the price Police and those bragging about how cheap they could get it.

I can get very cheap girls too however quality of looks or skills or session time suffer, unless girl is only a semi pro.

You can always create a Price thread in the Thailand forum, for me to avoid. LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2073292]Interesting idea, but I could not be bothered switching forums, for one, and 2 ndly hate the price Police and those bragging about how cheap they could get it.

I can get very cheap girls too however quality of looks or skills or session time suffer, unless girl is only a semi pro.

You can always create a Price thread in the Thailand forum, for me to avoid. LOL.[/QUOTE]I ageee, it just makes sense that quote prices in a report to have a bearing and be aware of how the market is.

Then each one can decide.

Price police is no good, but a mild warning somebody has overpaying is a friendly hint to make him aware not to be ripped off again.

Then the +- 500 can come and go, and no harm is done to anyone.

I left Pattaya because I couldn't find anything to do during the day and didn't want to hit the bars every night. I came to Phuket to where the gyms are at in Chalong so I could take some bjj during the day. But there isn't much night life here. There are no baht buses. I don't really want to hire a motor bike taxi to explore and don't want to rent one to drive. I didn't like patong beach at all, though I didn't give it much of a chance at one day.

So I am back to Pattaya in a few days. Going to stay there maybe 4 or 5 days then off to chiang mai. From things I see online e it has some daytime and some night time fun. I like a busy street life with lots of food vendors, beer bars and baht buses. Chaing Mai has a bjj place also. I would like to take a bit of thai language classes, but they seem expensive and more serious then I am looking for. I would like to learn a couple dozen phrases. And simple greetings, not the whole language or grammar etc.

Not much of a report other then to say chalong is boring.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2074402]I left Pattaya because I couldn't find anything to do during the day and didn't want to hit the bars every night. I came to Phuket to where the gyms are at in Chalong so I could take some bjj during the day. But there isn't much night life here. There are no baht buses. I don't really want to hire a motor bike taxi to explore and don't want to rent one to drive. I didn't like patong beach at all, though I didn't give it much of a chance at one day.

So I am back to Pattaya in a few days. Going to stay there maybe 4 or 5 days then off to chiang mai. From things I see online e it has some daytime and some night time fun. I like a busy street life with lots of food vendors, beer bars and baht buses. Chaing Mai has a bjj place also. I would like to take a bit of thai language classes, but they seem expensive and more serious then I am looking for. I would like to learn a couple dozen phrases. And simple greetings, not the whole language or grammar etc.

Not much of a report other then to say chalong is boring.[/QUOTE]I've been trying to learn Thai a couple different ways. Was at the point of giving up for good. Seemed like an impossible task. Have met a few ladies on Thai Friendly that have offered to help in the past. Never took them up on it. I met a really sexy lady about a month ago on TF that offered to help. I must say this is way better than other lessons. Not only am I actually learning it and understanding it. It's super fun bc it's with a sexy lady I'm going to meet. Finally, in three days now. Still don't feel like I have a excellent grasp. It wasn't full steam ahead fast learning which made it not as hard and easier to understand. But anyway! Might try it with someone that makes it more interesting. And possibly free at that. Good luck!

[QUOTE=Horatio;2074402]could take some bjj during the day... Chaing Mai has a bjj place also[/QUOTE]What's a bjj? A blow job job?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2074663]What's a bjj? A blow job job?[/QUOTE]Brazillian jiu jitsu.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2074502]I've been trying to learn Thai a couple different ways. Was at the point of giving up for good. Seemed like an impossible task. Have met a few ladies on Thai Friendly that have offered to help in the past. Never took them up on it. I met a really sexy lady about a month ago on TF that offered to help. I must say this is way better than other lessons. Not only am I actually learning it and understanding it. It's super fun bc it's with a sexy lady I'm going to meet. Finally, in three days now. Still don't feel like I have a excellent grasp. It wasn't full steam ahead fast learning which made it not as hard and easier to understand. But anyway! Might try it with someone that makes it more interesting. And possibly free at that. Good luck![/QUOTE]Learning Thai is a multi year task. You ought to get some basics from a combination of book and teacher. The teacher is important to get pronunciation going more or less close to correct.

My Thai improved in leaps and bounds when I had sexy Thai ladies staying with me full time (25 years ago you could book girls for bulk time cheaply and STs hardly existed), but this only works well if they cannot speak English, because if they feel their English is better than your Thai, they will naturally try to communicate in English. So that is why some early self study and teacher classes would be a good idea. Several Thai sounds do not exist in English and even basic vowel sounds differ significantly from English vowels. Especially if you are American, you need to learn to make many Thai sounds a lot shorter. Thai with American accent is amusing.

Use a flashcards App to study vocab. I use Flashcards Deluxe and feed it with an extensive spreadsheet. In early stages concentrate heavily on pronunciation of the Thai sounds and the tones. If you pronounce completely wrong vowel sounds, you may not be understood (unlike in English). Fortunately Thai Grammar is almost non-existent and dead easy.

Paiboon Talking Thai English Dictionary App is good. You can hear how the words are pronounced.

I have extensive and sufficient vocab, but it takes a lot of time and effort, persistence over years, unless you are super brilliant at picking up languages.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2074402]I left Pattaya because I couldn't find anything to do during the day and didn't want to hit the bars every night.[/QUOTE]When in Pattaya I always stay at a hotel with at least a decent pool, and spending time by the pool is my primary daytime non-punting activity. Legit massages, lunch, walking the BR promenade, shopping, errands, and general exploring are others. Not really interested in playing golf or visiting a croc farm. I think there was a 'Things to do in Pattaya during the day' thread a while back.

SL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2074771]Learning Thai is a multi year task. You ought to get some basics from a combination of book and teacher. The teacher is important to get pronunciation going more or less close to correct.[/QUOTE]When it comes to teachers, one could enroll him / herself for a Thai learning course starting from as low as 15 k a year with one / couple of classes a week. Working in a Thai speaking environment also helps a lot.

Now-a-days some organizations are coming with Express Thai learning courses which lasts for 3-5 days (classes everyday) and they teach some basic phrases and vocabularies.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2074950]When it comes to teachers, one could enroll him / herself for a Thai learning course starting from as low as 15 k a year with one / couple of classes a week. Working in a Thai speaking environment also helps a lot.

Now-a-days some organizations are coming with Express Thai learning courses which lasts for 3-5 days (classes everyday) and they teach some basic phrases and vocabularies.[/QUOTE]3 to 5 days is just an appetite wetter or the opposite.

Takes significant time to just get pronunciation going good, like months unless intensive.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2071682]has anyone noticed how fat Thai women are getting in Bangkok in particular as Thailand getting more Westernized? I've got to say it's disappointing. Why the fuck Thai women want to look more like the fat Bush pigs we have to put up with in the west has got me stuffed. Has anyone else noticed this as well or is it an illusion?[/QUOTE]Yes. It is utterly deplorable how the fat count has increased and it's not just in Bangkok! I live up country Isaan and the days of the lithe LBFJ's (little brown fucking jobs) everywhere is slowly decreasing. Many of these Khway pack on the pounds at an early age these days. My Fatdar detects an increasing amount of these in the surrounding villages to where I live. It is simply devastating. They are well fed and the amount of sugar that is consumed is astounding, however they are not at the level of the Bush pigs from the other worlds. Yet.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2075114]3 to 5 days is just an appetite wetter or the opposite.

Takes significant time to just get pronunciation going good, like months unless intensive.[/QUOTE]True. Understanding the pronunciations is very very important to keep the meaning of the word up to the point.

From my Lao learning experience, I even found out the same word could be pronounced in different ways to carry different meanings. For example, the word "Chao" in Lao can be pronounced like "Sao" or "Tchao" carrying different meanings.

Also, don't forget the fact that, Thai in Bangkok and in Isaan / border states near Malaysia are different. Recently, I went to a Tribal village near Chiang Mai where I found out the Tribal people's Thai is significantly different from mainstream Thai. They say people in southern Thailand tends to speak sweet Thai when compared to Isaan or northern part of Thailand.

So I will be arriving Friday AUG 25 AT 10 am in Bangkok after 27 hours of flight. Been contemplating booking a fast pass. I've read where lines have been long lately. I've also ready where most airlines give business class customers free fast pass. I've also read reports years back that said it was useless because regular line is usually empty for business class and you end up waiting for luggage which most of the passengers are already through lines. But things have changed since those reports. So does China Airlines offer a free fast pass service for business class? I contacted the airline but communication is a joke. Arriving at 10 am would it be worth buying a fast pass? It's relatively cheap. After such a long flight I'd like to make this painless. But don't want to buy one if given free through airline. Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=Stykler;2071682]I've arrived in Bangkok, first trip for a year or so. A question and an observation.

Firstly, does anyone know when and why The Office off Soi 33 closed down? I went there looking for a beer at about 2100 hrs last night and it was closed down. Disappointing for me as I have had some good times there in the past.

Next, has anyone noticed how fat Thai women are getting in Bangkok in particular as Thailand getting more Westernized? I've got to say it's disappointing. Why the fuck Thai women want to look more like the fat Bush pigs we have to put up with in the west has got me stuffed. Has anyone else noticed this as well or is it an illusion?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Many years ago, it was quite common for the married Thai ladies to let themselves go, say from the age of 35 to 40, and get fat. Some good examples of famous high up people in Thai society.

However the modern problem is the big increase in the numbers of fat 20 to 30 year olds, probably due to western diets. Too much sugar and starch.

It is noticeable that bar girls have become a lot fatter recently as well due to crackdown on drugs, such as Yaa Baa, Ice, etc. There are still some girls in the P4 P industry using drugs as a weight loss mechanism. Saw a new girl in Sharks that was quite pretty, but she just needs to loose about 10 Kg. LOL Young but quite unnecessarily chubby.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2075304]So does China Airlines offer a free fast pass service for business class? [/QUOTE]Yes, both ways.

So I was recently in Thailand, and I kinda fell for a bar girl. Yeah I know! But anyways, I kept in touch with her after through her Facebook and I would send pics, she would send pics, and I would say I miss you, she would back. Yada yada but yesterday she wrote the following:

"When you come back again we go hunnymoon OK?

Is this a new term for long, long time? Meaning like a week? I'm fine with that, I just hope she isn't thinking marriage as that wasn't discussed. We had a great time and I want to see her again but.

[QUOTE=Hack351;2075447]So I was recently in Thailand, and I kinda fell for a bar girl. Yeah I know! But anyways, I kept in touch with her after through her Facebook and I would send pics, she would send pics, and I would say I miss you, she would back. Yada yada but yesterday she wrote the following:

"When you come back again we go hunnymoon OK?

Is this a new term for long, long time? Meaning like a week? I'm fine with that, I just hope she isn't thinking marriage as that wasn't discussed. We had a great time and I want to see her again but.[/QUOTE]IMHO, you need to engage in managing expectations. Don't know if you are game to keeping her as a second wife.

[QUOTE=Hack351;2075447]So I was recently in Thailand, and I kinda fell for a bar girl. Yeah I know! But anyways, I kept in touch with her after through her Facebook and I would send pics, she would send pics, and I would say I miss you, she would back. Yada yada but yesterday she wrote the following:

"When you come back again we go hunnymoon OK?

Is this a new term for long, long time? Meaning like a week? I'm fine with that, I just hope she isn't thinking marriage as that wasn't discussed. We had a great time and I want to see her again but.[/QUOTE]Laugh make a joke out of it see her response she might be treading the water. Most likely she want a free vacation with you and you get hopefully a fun companion. Risk is she does a personality change on you and think it's okay to expect going expensive shopping.

Roll the dice and see what you get!

[QUOTE=Hack351;2075447]So I was recently in Thailand, and I kinda fell for a bar girl. Yeah I know! But anyways, I kept in touch with her after through her Facebook and I would send pics, she would send pics, and I would say I miss you, she would back. Yada yada but yesterday she wrote the following:

"When you come back again we go hunnymoon OK?

Is this a new term for long, long time? Meaning like a week? I'm fine with that, I just hope she isn't thinking marriage as that wasn't discussed. We had a great time and I want to see her again but.[/QUOTE]For the best answer is to ask her.

Huh? What you mean hunny?

My advice is let it go and treat it as a Google language translation error. I would assume she is just referring to a romantic getaway. Never use the word "Honeymoon" or refer to it again and she will most likely never use the term again either. I am pretty sure the girl did not intend it to mean more than a romantic tryst. If she were a Filipina it might have the marital meaning, many Filipinas have proposed to me LOL, but this would be a very strange and unusual proposal coming from a Thai girl. Thai girls are usually not that forward.

Now ask yourself this: do YOU want to take this girl on a little romantic holiday? If your answer is yes, then respond to her chat with a casual suggestion or invitation saying that it would be nice to go somewhere together for a few days and refer to it as a romantic holiday, or beach holiday, or hill country getaway. 3 nights is about the right amount of time for a first time trip together. Every day longer than 3 days dramatically increases the odds of something going wrong. Keep in mind, you are not going to be making love all the time, in fact, the majority of your time together will be doing other things, including doing mundane things, so make sure you are compatible and that you go somewhere that you both can enjoy like Phuket or Ko Chang (the beach) or Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, or Mae Hong Son. (the Hill Country)

[URL]http://wikitravel.org/en/Mae_Hong_Son_Loop[/URL]).

If you are unsure about taking her somewhere then don't bring up the idea again and let it whither on the vine. Just say you are looking forward to seeing her again and leave it at that.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2075674]My advice[/QUOTE]OK, thanks for the quick replies! Natty thanks for the 3 day length suggestion. Sounds like the right amount and yes, I would love to take her on a romantic getaway. I'm curious how the bar compensation will be but it won't be till next year anyway.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2075444]Yes, both ways.[/QUOTE]You're the man! Was just about to book to play it safe! Thanks!

[QUOTE=Hack351;2075447]So I was recently in Thailand, and I kinda fell for a bar girl. Yeah I know! But anyways, I kept in touch with her after through her Facebook and I would send pics, she would send pics, and I would say I miss you, she would back. Yada yada but yesterday she wrote the following:

"When you come back again we go hunnymoon OK?

Is this a new term for long, long time? Meaning like a week? I'm fine with that, I just hope she isn't thinking marriage as that wasn't discussed. We had a great time and I want to see her again but.[/QUOTE]I have had Thai girls, both P4 P and regular date girls, use the term "honeymoon / hunnymoon" many times. They have never meant it to be related to getting married and, in my memory, not even pushing for a 2-3 day trip out of town together, although they all like the idea of that. They have always only meant a night of sex together. Especially with bargirls, the joke goes something like, "Honeymoon tonight, divorce tomorrow!" LOL.

[QUOTE=Hack351;2075447]So I was recently in Thailand, and I kinda fell for a bar girl. Yeah I know! But anyways, I kept in touch with her after through her Facebook and I would send pics, she would send pics, and I would say I miss you, she would back. Yada yada but yesterday she wrote the following:

"When you come back again we go hunnymoon OK?

Is this a new term for long, long time? Meaning like a week? I'm fine with that, I just hope she isn't thinking marriage as that wasn't discussed. We had a great time and I want to see her again but.[/QUOTE]As has been said. Likely a longer more focused time and / or trip to a destination is what she's meaning.

My lone experience 'falling' for a WG (a thermae girl) went differently and I've been meaning to post, so why not now?

I met this girl at Thermae in March. Went with her 3 consecutive nights on a BKK trip. On the third night we exchanged Whatsapp info and chatted the weeks following. Talk from her went from 'when will you be back?' to 'I love you honey, we should be together' kinda talk. No asks for money, but I thought I was smitten. We messaged almost daily and it escalated to video chats, etc. I had a trip planned to BKK for work in May and we discussed her staying with me when I returned.

I arrived in BKK in May and she met me at my hotel, and as discussed she stayed with me for the week; save for a 2 day trip to Pattaya. When I was in-country (and in Pattaya) she and I spent most of out time together, but I explored the MP scene in BKK as well as the 2 days in Pattaya where I had a great time. In her world I was in BKK to be with her, in mine I was there for work (she knew) as well as to play (she must have known, but I didn't explicitly state). We had a great time together. Dinners out, dancing at nightclubs, etc. Overall it was a great trip. Mix of a GFE caring girl at my beck and call, but the freedom to step out and explore a bit.

When I got back home the messaging and video chats ramped up. She started talking about "love" and "marriage" in ways that had never been discussed before. At first I was flattered. She's 10+ years my junior but I'm not stupid. Things were fine for a while but then it got crazy. She went home to get her papers in order to get a passport and make sure her papers were in order to marry a foreigner. She wanted to video chat with me and her parents to allow us to get to know each other. Also, she started getting super suspicious / jealous / angry if I wasn't available to chat / video with her when it was convenient for her. WTF. She fucks dudes for money and she's grilling me about my daily life and who I'm seeing / what I'm doing on a daily basis. Not good. I travel a lot for work (US, asia, and europe) and I'm often out with customers, colleauges, etc and in different time-zones, so being her 'on demand' boyfriend wasn't in the cards.

I ended up blocking her on Whatsapp and WeChat, as well as blacklisting her number on my cell for calls / texts. That was 2 mos ago she still to this day texts me (blocked, but I get a notification) about once or twice a week. She also found me on facebook (whatsapp is now owned by FB, so be careful) so I had to change my privacy settings to block her from my personal feed.

Long story short. For those of us that visit the land of smiles for a nice GFE experience and consider keeping in touch with that 'special girl' you meet one night; think twice about how you connect. Whatsapp exposes your phone number. If you want to share info, consider WeChat instead. Also, if you return for a longer experience, keep tabs on things.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2075857]
When I got back home the messaging and video chats ramped up. She started talking about "love" and "marriage" in ways that had never been discussed before. At first I was flattered. She's 10+ years my junior but I'm not stupid. Things were fine for a while but then it got crazy. She went home to get her papers in order to get a passport and make sure her papers were in order to marry a foreigner. She wanted to video chat with me and her parents to allow us to get to know each other. Also, she started getting super suspicious / jealous / angry if I wasn't available to chat / video with her when it was convenient for her. WTF. She fucks dudes for money and she's grilling me about my daily life and who I'm seeing / what I'm doing on a daily basis. Not good. I travel a lot for work (US, asia, and europe) and I'm often out with customers, colleauges, etc and in different time-zones, so being her 'on demand' boyfriend wasn't in the cards.
[/QUOTE]This type of Thai love is typically different from Farang love. Thais have economic love where they consider what guy might be best for their future and a pathway to be give up hooking and be supported. I had an ex Thai GF extremely jealous, but it was more like guarding her property, than like a Farang romance.

You made the right decision. You want a far more sensible girl. Real love should arrive very slowly indeed and also not disappear easily too. Fall for a girl quick, and likely will lose interest real quick too, or just find she is not really a match at all.

Even my long term current Thai GF admits that initially she was with me more for economic reasons than anything else. She had no money and economic difficulties. Respite from that was really great for her. She did not expect me to stick to her long term. She was extremely untrusting of guys in general, whether Thai or Farang. Certainly she was not going to fall for me real quickly. Eventually we became more like a normal couple but took a lot of time. After many years she has got used to us being a couple, and trusts that I am reliable and not likely to dump her for no reason. We are not perfectly suited sexually, but otherwise quite good.

[QUOTE=Hack351;2075447]So I was recently in Thailand, and I kinda fell for a bar girl. Yeah I know! But anyways, I kept in touch with her after through her Facebook and I would send pics, she would send pics, and I would say I miss you, she would back. Yada yada but yesterday she wrote the following:

"When you come back again we go hunnymoon OK?

Is this a new term for long, long time? Meaning like a week? I'm fine with that, I just hope she isn't thinking marriage as that wasn't discussed. We had a great time and I want to see her again but.[/QUOTE]I have taken several Thai girls away for a fake "honeymoon" and had a great time, but be wary about falling for them. You don't really know a girl till have been with her at least 2 years, and probably longer if meet only part time.

Best to just see it as a holiday with a temporary fun wife, and plenty of "hunny". Thai girls can make really excellent temporary wives. Can be better than a real GF. I paid them to be my temporary wife, to avoid romance implications.

Last year took my regular Gik to Singapore for 3 days and had a great time. However Singapore is a bit too expensive.

[QUOTE=Hack351;2075702]OK, thanks for the quick replies! Natty thanks for the 3 day length suggestion. Sounds like the right amount and yes, I would love to take her on a romantic getaway. I'm curious how the bar compensation will be but it won't be till next year anyway.[/QUOTE]Hack,

A good place for a short romantic break could be Bang Saen, a small, mostly Thai resort between BKK and Pattaya. Very laid back with great sea food and minimal travel costs, probably 500 to 800 Baht by taxi from BKK.

I like hotel Sez at the northern end of Bang Saen, very modern with GREAT multi person showers. It is used by many Thais from BKK for a short weekend break.

The last time I was there I was the only Farang staying in the hotel!

Enjoy, Hotman.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2075674] Every day longer than 3 days dramatically increases the odds of something going wrong. Keep in mind, you are not going to be making love all the time, in fact, the majority of your time together will be doing other things, including doing mundane things, so make sure you are compatible and that you go somewhere that you both can enjoy like Phuket or Ko Chang (the beach) or Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, or Mae Hong Son. (the Hill Country)

[URL]http://wikitravel.org/en/Mae_Hong_Son_Loop[/URL]).

If you are unsure about taking her somewhere then don't bring up the idea again and let it whither on the vine. Just say you are looking forward to seeing her again and leave it at that.[/QUOTE]I agree with this very much. Good to check if the girl likes snorkelling or beech activities or not because she is too afraid her skin will go dark colour. Some of the other options are good.

One girl I know recently went to Maldives with a guy. She came back still with white skin. LOL Lots of SPF 50 or stayed out of the sun completely?

Tham Kaew Komon (Crystal Cave) is amazing, if happen to be in Mae Hong Son, but it is a far trip on a winding road to Mae La Noi district and is closed in rainy season (open Oct). I see now it is mentioned in Natty's link about the long winding Loop tour, and is a MUST! Very worth it for me and my girl. Other caves are shit in comparison (e. G. The touristy stinky bat shit cave Tham Lod is not worthwhile in my opinion).

The other guy suggested Bang Saen. I suggest not. That is too down market to interest the girl very much. A family beach destination. The girl could go there anytime of her own volition if she wanted it, being so close and so cheap. That would be well below the style of Natty or myself. Pick something more exciting if you can afford it. Phi Phi Island, Krabi, or even Hua Hin or Koh Samet might be good enough. Koh Lipe is really good but far and not well known (near to west most border with Malaysia). A lot of Scandinavian tourists go there who love the nature. In past I took an MP girl to Krabi and Phi Phi Island (3 days) and I had a great time indeed. I also took a girl to Koh Lipe, or rather she took me, since she lived not far away in Satun province.

So many good options in Thailand, but check what the girl likes most. Some day I must take a girl to Nakhorn Wat (Angor Wat) in Cambodia, and may choose a Cambodian girl from Siem Riap to be my guide since she speaks the lingo as well as Thai, besides being slim sexy and a good fuck.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2075857]As has been said. Likely a longer more focused time and / or trip to a destination is what she's meaning.

My lone experience 'falling' for a WG (a thermae girl) went differently and I've been meaning to post, so why not now?

Long story short. For those of us that visit the land of smiles for a nice GFE experience and consider keeping in touch with that 'special girl' you meet one night; think twice about how you connect. Whatsapp exposes your phone number. If you want to share info, consider WeChat instead. Also, if you return for a longer experience, keep tabs on things.[/QUOTE]The second wife situation is acceptable in many cultures. Be aware, that it is wife situation with all the ups and downs and problems. Very dangerous if you are a foreigner or where you do not have a backup team. I suspect there are some stories on this site. IMHO, keep away from it. Most women will go psycho at some point.

Seen many guys try to guide a gal to an exclusive relation. It might work so long as the money keeps flowing. Think wiser to have an understanding of an honeymoon when you feel like it and for the duration you want. No future guarantees.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2075759]I have had Thai girls, both P4 P and regular date girls, use the term "honeymoon / hunnymoon" many times. They have never meant it to be related to getting married and, in my memory, not even pushing for a 2-3 day trip out of town together, although they all like the idea of that. They have always only meant a night of sex together. Especially with bargirls, the joke goes something like, "Honeymoon tonight, divorce tomorrow!" LOL.[/QUOTE]All, thanks again for the many replies and suggestions! Especially the destination spots. She is from Phuket so maybe an island close by. Again this won't be till early 2018 so I have time!

F1 fan, things aren't even close to that level but I will watch out and thanks for the WhatsApp warning but she already had my FB!

Eihtooms, that is the spelling she used! Hunnymoon. I thought it was a typo but now that you said that maybe it's just a LT offer? I still haven't responded to the honeymoon comment but maybe I'll jokingly ask where she wants to go today. And suggest a 3 day adventure.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2075759]I have had Thai girls, both P4 P and regular date girls, use the term "honeymoon / hunnymoon" many times. They have never meant it to be related to getting married and, in my memory, not even pushing for a 2-3 day trip out of town together, although they all like the idea of that. They have always only meant a night of sex together. Especially with bargirls, the joke goes something like, "Honeymoon tonight, divorce tomorrow!" LOL.[/QUOTE]Good to provide that insight since I never heard a Thai girl use this term at all, at least that I can remember now. I could easily have forgotten. For sure we cannot expect them to be able to spell Honey correctly. The only girl I know so forward to suggest a lot of sex, would be more straight forward as she speaks very good English and has known me years so not shy. She would say: "We should fuck all day" or "I want you to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] me while I am sleeping". LOL So if any girl said lets have a Hunnymoon, I would assume it meant a special trip away (possibly) with copious sex assumed, but I would not be totally certain. Assumptions are dangerous.

So best just ask the girl how long is the hunnymoon and where should it happen?

Never heard that joke either. I normally speak Thai with bargirls and quite unsure how it would be said in Thai. "Married today, divorced tomorrow", might not have the same level of sexual connotation.

For fun I looked up Honeymoon in a dictionary. Got two results (learn something new):

1. garn deum nam pheung phrajan. Which literally means "drinking honey of the moon" (very funny. So seems to be a Thai Euphemism used to indicate a Honeymoon).

2. bpai han-nee-moon. Thai has this word Honeymoon as well (borrowed from English) spelled slightly different of course in Thai script. So "go on a honeymoon".

Thai-[URL]Language.com[/URL]:

Khuu baao saao ja bpai han-nee-muun thee chiiang mai.

In this example the Thai translates to: "The married couple will go Honeymoon in Chiang Mai", so seems there could be an implication of travel.

Thai Honeymoon could be on the cheap though. Go no where, just stay indoors for 3 days of fucking. LOL Just one night?
Hardly seems to qualify for a Honeymoon, but I can't say I know how Thai girls use it.
I have heard the term "Kheun Sawan" which means "Go to heaven" a Euphemism for extremely pleasurable sex bout.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2076022]

Never heard that joke either. I normally speak Thai with bargirls and quite unsure how it would be said in Thai. "Married today, divorced tomorrow", might not have the same level of sexual connotation.

[/QUOTE]I don't think the term "honeymoon" or the joke about it is Thai in origin or commonly used by Thais either. My impression was it was a word they'd heard from a farang and thought the joke was funny so repeated it. Last time I heard a Thai woman say the "honeymoon tonight, divorce tomorrow" bit was a server in Twisters go-go bar in Nana Plaza about a month ago when she gestured to the girls on stage trying to entice me to choose one to barfine.

This is for those with no experiece. I needed to extend my visa. I have been here almost 1 month and did not get the visa extension at the airport. I am an American. I went to the immigration office at Phuket Town. It was the closest to me. All I had to do was fill out form, show passport, make a couple of copies of different pages of passport, get a passport photo and pay. The people at the immigration office were friendly and helpful. The process was quick.

Some things you will need are a pen, address of where you are staying, departure ticket and I think that was it. I didn't have departure ticket and it was not a problem at all. It cost me 1900 baht, plus 126 baht for photo and copies.

I hope this helps anyone with worries. It was all in all quick and easy.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2076161]This is for those with no experiece. I needed to extend my visa. I have been here almost 1 month and did not get the visa extension at the airport. I am an American. I went to the immigration office at Phuket Town. It was the closest to me. All I had to do was fill out form, show passport, make a couple of copies of different pages of passport, get a passport photo and pay. The people at the immigration office were friendly and helpful. The process was quick.

Some things you will need are a pen, address of where you are staying, departure ticket and I think that was it. I didn't have departure ticket and it was not a problem at all. It cost me 1900 baht, plus 126 baht for photo and copies.

I hope this helps anyone with worries. It was all in all quick and easy.[/QUOTE]That is very nice indeed. It is not quick and easy in Bangkok. Have to go to inconvenient location Chaeng Wattana Soi 7 and there is usually a very long queue of people doing the same thing. Monday and Friday are not the greatest, LOL!

Beware of leaving it till the last day, and finding it is a public holiday. So always do it maybe 3 government business days in advance of your 30 days expiring.

The government is starting to take a harder line on guys like me who were doing many freebie entries into Thailand per year. Officially they want to limit it to two times. It is better now for me to pay for a proper 6 month multi entry VISA and be allowed to stay 60 days without having to go to get an extension. But it costs.

Its all about the government making money from us, nothing to do with whether we are a risk to Thailand in some way. LOL

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2076182] It is better now for me to pay for a proper 6 month multi entry VISA and be allowed to stay 60 days without having to go to get an extension. But it costs.
[/QUOTE]It's only around 5000 baht for nearly 8 months in Thailand. 6 month plus another 60 days as long as you re-enter Thailand before your Visa expires.

[QUOTE=Hack351;2075989]All, thanks again for the many replies and suggestions! Especially the destination spots. She is from Phuket so maybe an island close by. Again this won't be till early 2018 so I have time!

F1 fan, things aren't even close to that level but I will watch out and thanks for the WhatsApp warning but she already had my FB!

Eihtooms, that is the spelling she used! Hunnymoon. I thought it was a typo but now that you said that maybe it's just a LT offer? I still haven't responded to the honeymoon comment but maybe I'll jokingly ask where she wants to go today. And suggest a 3 day adventure.[/QUOTE]If party needs to be a part of it Samui, Phi Phi.

If quiet place is better Lanta, Yao Noi.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2076356]It's only around 5000 baht for nearly 8 months in Thailand. 6 month plus another 60 days as long as you re-enter Thailand before your Visa expires.[/QUOTE]Cost me close to 7000 Baht for 6 month multi-entry. Prices may have gone up or may vary by country of application.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2075876]This type of Thai love is typically different from Farang love. Thais have economic love where they consider what guy might be best for their future and a pathway to be give up hooking and be supported. I had an ex Thai GF extremely jealous, but it was more like guarding her property, than like a Farang romance.

You made the right decision. You want a far more sensible girl. Real love should arrive very slowly indeed and also not disappear easily too. Fall for a girl quick, and likely will lose interest real quick too, or just find she is not really a match at all.

Even my long term current Thai GF admits that initially she was with me more for economic reasons than anything else. She had no money and economic difficulties. Respite from that was really great for her. She did not expect me to stick to her long term. She was extremely untrusting of guys in general, whether Thai or Farang. Certainly she was not going to fall for me real quickly. Eventually we became more like a normal couple but took a lot of time. After many years she has got used to us being a couple, and trusts that I am reliable and not likely to dump her for no reason. We are not perfectly suited sexually, but otherwise quite good.[/QUOTE]Yeah, agreed. For her it was clearly all about the economic long term proposition. She saw me as a way out of hooking to support her family. I went into this with eyes wide open but got caught up in things. During our week together in May I took the liberty of examining her phone and reading things I probably shouldn't have. It was informative and grounded me to make the decision later to cut her off completely. For anyone that thinks their Thai "love" is an innocent girl who is looking for love is fooling themselves.

Hi,

Been here long time but lazy reporter (Now bothering how could get some sense into these pages.

[URL]Www.lineswop.com[/URL] and [URL]fanfinfin.com[/URL].

Looks that here's nice meat if just avoid Katoys).

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2076942]Yeah, agreed. For her it was clearly all about the economic long term proposition. She saw me as a way out of hooking to support her family. I went into this with eyes wide open but got caught up in things. During our week together in May I took the liberty of examining her phone and reading things I probably shouldn't have. It was informative and grounded me to make the decision later to cut her off completely. For anyone that thinks their Thai "love" is an innocent girl who is looking for love is fooling themselves.[/QUOTE]When meeting a Thai Lady for a GF situation, I always inquire about her education and occupation. These are real indicators of her status in life. If she says she loves you and really doesn't need you then you can rest assured that she real.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2077119]When meeting a Thai Lady for a GF situation, I always inquire about her education and occupation. These are real indicators of her status in life. If she says she loves you and really doesn't need you then you can rest assured that she real.

RL.[/QUOTE]Sound advice.

As on October 26th the cremation of the former king will take place anyone can advise what the mood will be after that? Will business be back to normal in first week of November?

Thanks for advise!

[QUOTE=Henrik;2077027]Hi,

Been here long time but lazy reporter (Now bothering how could get some sense into these pages.

[URL]Www.lineswop.com[/URL] and [URL]fanfinfin.com[/URL].

Looks that here's nice meat if just avoid Katoys).[/QUOTE]Some of the translations are gold:

"The taboo is not the bottom, not the mouth kissed (must be clean).

Oral is not licking sister. Fear is a fungus in the vagina. As a human."

[QUOTE=JamesRider;2077561]Some of the translations are gold:

"The taboo is not the bottom, not the mouth kissed (must be clean).

Oral is not licking sister. Fear is a fungus in the vagina. As a human."[/QUOTE]If you post a link to the Thai text, I could post up what it really meant so you could see the huge difference. Auto Translators cannot deal with abbreviated colloquial stuff at all.

The last line, you can guess though, is probably meaning DATY is not permitted (fear of getting thrush).

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2076942]Yeah, agreed. For her it was clearly all about the economic long term proposition. She saw me as a way out of hooking to support her family. I went into this with eyes wide open but got caught up in things. During our week together in May I took the liberty of examining her phone and reading things I probably shouldn't have. It was informative and grounded me to make the decision later to cut her off completely. For anyone that thinks their Thai "love" is an innocent girl who is looking for love is fooling themselves.[/QUOTE]I agree with Syzygies. However, I don't think the situation is unique to Thailand. Most girls think that way; that is the way they are built.

I find it sometimes better to suspect and not verify; which one can by just looking at their Internet or phone activities like with Weiner or Jim McGreevey. Just an example of guys who got caught.

I personally prefer ignorance with an abundance of caution. That way, one can enjoy and leave without any of the scaring from reading some of the emails, if you can understand Thai like Syzgies.

[QUOTE=ChaosMax;2077403]As on October 26th the cremation of the former king will take place anyone can advise what the mood will be after that? Will business be back to normal in first week of November?

Thanks for advise![/QUOTE]I think not even the Thais know what will happen but I personally think it will be quiet until next election.

Here are some top slim Thai actress / models for my taste.
Guys can see what type of nose I like (LOL), and maybe pointy chin, big lips sometimes, etc.
So when I find girl at all approximating this, I go for them. O.K. we have to compromise quite a bit.
Of course we need ass pics to complete the picture. I don't need big tits. Tits are just a bonus for me.

My GF pretty much meets the nose, chin and ass (1st one) specs but is not as beautiful as these models obviously. However has a very good body for a 40 YO. It is hard to get excited by girls with crap bodies still in their 20s.

How do I tell if a bar is the type that barfine out the girls there? There is one bar close to where I am staying that looks to just have the one woman working there. I imagine some bars are just bars without women who can be taken home. I am on fight street where all the gyes are and not in a bar type enviroment.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2078963]How do I tell if a bar is the type that barfine out the girls there? There is one bar close to where I am staying that looks to just have the one woman working there. I imagine some bars are just bars without women who can be taken home. I am on fight street where all the gyes are and not in a bar type enviroment.[/QUOTE]I could be wrong here but I would assume that outside of the usually places, nana, Cowboy, etc. , that bars are just normal bars and you can't barfine the staff. Even in nana you can't barfine some of the staff. If it's a busy bar that gets its turn over from selling drinks rather than barfining girls then they won't let the staff be barfined. They wouldn't survive if most of their staff got taken out during rush hour and the couldn't sell drinks.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2078912]Here are some top slim Thai actress / models for my taste.
Guys can see what type of nose I like (LOL), and maybe pointy chin, big lips sometimes, etc.
So when I find girl at all approximating this, I go for them. O.K. we have to compromise quite a bit.
Of course we need ass pics to complete the picture. I don't need big tits. Tits are just a bonus for me.

My GF pretty much meets the nose, chin and ass (1st one) specs but is not as beautiful as these models obviously. However has a very good body for a 40 YO. It is hard to get excited by girls with crap bodies still in their 20s.[/QUOTE]I doubt any heterosexual man here would kick one of those girls out of their bed. But when you talk about finding a girl that is "at all approximating this", that word "approximating" must take on a rather wide area of inclusion, right? I mean, I have never seen a barfine-able girl working in any Bangkok go-go bar, including Crazy House at its peak, that came within 85% of approximating those girls. Maybe 75-80% of approximating one, but only if the lighting is weak and I have had a drink or two. Sure, I might say I have seen a distant cousin in terms of family resemblance to one of those girls working in a go-go bar somewhere, even barfined her myself. And there are many who can look very good, of course. But if you stood the best of them next to the least of the girls in those pics I am afraid the contrast would be stark.

But, as you said, we have to compromise quite a bit.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2079034]
But, as you said, we have to compromise quite a bit.[/QUOTE]I would say Donut, a student, gone now was 85% approx. Girls that are too good just never last long. I heard that Nat long gone is now working as photo model.

I was in Thai lounge at Airport and girl working here is tall slim and could be a model easily. WTF is she doing here as a waitress? Was hard to stop perving on her. Maybe is an air hostess and doing other temp duties.

Probably an 85% approx.

I expect girls to have a really good body even if face cannot quite match the top models. I don't get that excited by ordinary body girls, this is without worrying too much about tit size at all.

I have been known to compromise a lot on the face to get a body of perfection, but I still have to like the girl.

Other day at Emannuelle took a girl just stunning for face and very good slim body aged 20 or an 85%er. Turned out to be clueless crap on the bed. So no repeat. Do i exaggerate? No GFE, no skills, does know how to move. Daty not permitted. BJ not really a pass. Hard to make it work with everything missing except looks.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2079088]Other day at Emannuelle took a girl just stunning for face and very good slim body aged 20 or an 85%er. Turned out to be clueless crap on the bed. So no repeat. Do i exaggerate? No GFE, no skills, does know how to move. Daty not permitted. BJ not really a pass. Hard to make it work with everything missing except looks.[/QUOTE]I think this attitude comes from the possible notion that guys can get off on her looks and body alone. And I am certain there have been customers who have put up with such crap simply because they would not want to upset such a pretty face. Sigh!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2079088]I would say Donut, a student, gone now was 85% approx. Girls that are too good just never last long. I heard that Nat long gone is now working as photo model.

I was in Thai lounge at Airport and girl working here is tall slim and could be a model easily. WTF is she doing here as a waitress? Was hard to stop perving on her. Maybe is an air hostess and doing other temp duties.

Probably an 85% approx.

I expect girls to have a really good body even if face cannot quite match the top models. I don't get that excited by ordinary body girls, this is without worrying too much about tit size at all.

I have been known to compromise a lot on the face to get a body of perfection, but I still have to like the girl.

Other day at Emannuelle took a girl just stunning for face and very good slim body aged 20 or an 85%er. Turned out to be clueless crap on the bed. So no repeat. Do i exaggerate? No GFE, no skills, does know how to move. Daty not permitted. BJ not really a pass. Hard to make it work with everything missing except looks.[/QUOTE]How do you tell when a JAP, (Jewish American princess), reaches an orgasm? She drops her nail file.

I have never had a 9 or 10 that wasn't so completely into her self that she cared anything about the customers feelings. I'm still looking but it takes a lot of field work and time spent talking and getting to know the ladies that you have assessed at 9 or 10.

Attitude is number one as far as I am concerned. When you meet a 7 or 8 and she has that spark and personally and then you know you will have fun. The only problem is she will be lacking is some area or another. Small tits, sloppy legs, not pretty or bad to the bone breath. You got to let the small head make the decision and except that you will have a good time and she will give you the GFE.

RL.

[QUOTE=ChaosMax;2077403]As on October 26th the cremation of the former king will take place anyone can advise what the mood will be after that? Will business be back to normal in first week of November?

Thanks for advise![/QUOTE]FWIW I think it will be slower, but knowing the Thai culture surrounding money it will be back into full throttle by 1st November.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2078912]Here are some top slim Thai actress / models for my taste.[/QUOTE]Hi Syz.

Well, it's seems that your taste match mine 100%! I could post exactly the same pictures LOL!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2078912]Here are some top slim Thai actress / models for my taste.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Anyone in the world would think those girls are hot. But how many of the girls in those photos have you had sex with? I know that in my 20 or so years visiting Bangkok, I've not seen any girls that hot in Nana or Soi Cowboy. There are nice girls in Bangkok, but girls as hot as the ones in those photos don't seem to be working at Suzie Wong.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2079269]Interesting. Anyone in the world would think those girls are hot. But how many of the girls in those photos have you had sex with? I know that in my 20 or so years visiting Bangkok, I've not seen any girls that hot in Nana or Soi Cowboy. There are nice girls in Bangkok, but girls as hot as the ones in those photos don't seem to be working at Suzie Wong.[/QUOTE]For me the girl in picture 2 & 5 and the girl in picture 6 are hot, the other ones not so much.
And in my 13 years visiting Thailand (not just Bangkok) I have seen quite a lot of P4 P girls who looked equally hot.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2079088]I would say Donut, a student, gone now was 85% approx. [/QUOTE]Yes, assuming the top model girls in your recent pics would rate a 10 and those pics are not enhanced or photo-shopped, the math on that seems about right to me; a go-go dancer most men would rate at or very near a 10 in looks *by go-go girl standards* might rate as high as an 8.5 outside the bar on her best day. Of course, many top model girls who come across as 10s in pics might seem quite a bit less so in real life too. So to get a true apples to apples comparison, one would want to see our go-go dancers submit to photos by the same skilled photographers, the same quality of lighting and make-up, etc. , and still no photo-shopping allowed. But if those controlled conditions were set up I still suspect the very best go-go dancers would not measure up in looks to the top models as depicted in your pics.

There is and I think always has been a different (lower) standard for go-go girls vs girls in the real world outside the bars. I believe one could find many cases in a given afternoon of regular Thai girls shopping in the malls and working in offices who would rival those top models in looks if they had the benefit of the same photographers, lighting, make-up and so on. However, there would naturally be a lower standard for the kind of girls who find themselves in go-go bars offering their bodies to strangers for what amounts to a relative pittance to the stranger. And, to be fair, their standard is imo higher than what passes for general good looks in my part of the world, the USA. A go-go girl who might rate a 7.5 or near an 8 would and could easily knock it out of the park as a solid 9 if she strutted her stuff in a bikini on any beach resort I have been to in the USA.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2078912]Here are some top slim Thai actress / models for my taste.
Guys can see what type of nose I like (LOL), and maybe pointy chin, big lips sometimes, etc.
So when I find girl at all approximating this, I go for them. O.K. we have to compromise quite a bit.
Of course we need ass pics to complete the picture. I don't need big tits. Tits are just a bonus for me.

My GF pretty much meets the nose, chin and ass (1st one) specs but is not as beautiful as these models obviously. However has a very good body for a 40 YO. It is hard to get excited by girls with crap bodies still in their 20s.[/QUOTE]Most if not all of these girls are Luk kreung so some of their noses and curves are natural or only required a small amount of refining.

You won't find too many mixed Thais in the sex scene, especially the part catering to farangs and if you do they will be more on the Thai side when it comes to their looks. Many will try and look luk kreung with a lot of plastic surgery but often times they go too far because they just can't get it right.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2079584]Yes, assuming the top model girls in your recent pics would rate a 10 and those pics are not enhanced or photo-shopped, the math on that seems about right to me; a go-go dancer most men would rate at or very near a 10 in looks *by go-go girl standards* might rate as high as an 8.5 outside the bar on her best day. Of course, many top model girls who come across as 10s in pics might seem quite a bit less so in real life too. So to get a true apples to apples comparison, one would want to see our go-go dancers submit to photos by the same skilled photographers, the same quality of lighting and make-up, etc. , and still no photo-shopping allowed. But if those controlled conditions were set up I still suspect the very best go-go dancers would not measure up in looks to the top models as depicted in your pics.

There is and I think always has been a different (lower) standard for go-go girls vs girls in the real world outside the bars. I believe one could find many cases in a given afternoon of regular Thai girls shopping in the malls and working in offices who would rival those top models in looks if they had the benefit of the same photographers, lighting, make-up and so on. However, there would naturally be a lower standard for the kind of girls who find themselves in go-go bars offering their bodies to strangers for what amounts to a relative pittance to the stranger. And, to be fair, their standard is imo higher than what passes for general good looks in my part of the world, the USA. A go-go girl who might rate a 7.5 or near an 8 would and could easily knock it out of the park as a solid 9 if she strutted her stuff in a bikini on any beach resort I have been to in the USA.[/QUOTE]I don't know. I think there is a massive difference between a modern '10' go-go girl and a 10 Thai model / actress.

By Bangkok Thai standards, the hottest go-go girl found in Soi Cowboy or Nana would barely register on a scale of attractiveness. You take a 10 go-go out of the bar and into natural light and she immediately drops down to an 8. Once the makeup comes off, it can go down another point or more. Go-go ladies are not known for maintaining themselves when it comes to skin, hair, etc. And often eat shit diets, drink extensively, smoke, and party hard. This may sound picky but I have a big issue with bruises and skin scarring, especially on the legs and it's pretty difficult to find an agogo girl who has legs free of motorbike burns, scars from cuts, or bruises. Heck, many don't even shave their legs smooth.

On the other hand, I've met a few Thai celebrities and many, especially the women, live almost veal like existences. They do their promo stuff but spend the rest of their time indoors lounging around at home living fairly immobile lives obsessing over their appearance. I even dated a luk kreung 'Pretty' a few years ago and she never wanted to do anything but stay either at my place or at home. She would only go out to work and even then she would do everything possible to avoid being exposed to the heat and especially the sun. But she had the softest smoothest skin and looked flawless even without makeup.

Just go to Escobar / Nang Len or DND (Do Not Disturb) or walk around Paragon on the weekend and compare them to the ladies at the gogos, its like night and day and these aren't even the models.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2079584]Yes, assuming the top model girls in your recent pics would rate a 10 and those pics are not enhanced or photo-shopped, the math on that seems about right to me; a go-go dancer most men would rate at or very near a 10 in looks *by go-go girl standards* might rate as high as an 8.5 outside the bar on her best day. Of course, many top model girls who come across as 10s in pics might seem quite a bit less so in real life too. So to get a true apples to apples comparison, one would want to see our go-go dancers submit to photos by the same skilled photographers, the same quality of lighting and make-up, etc. , and still no photo-shopping allowed. But if those controlled conditions were set up I still suspect the very best go-go dancers would not measure up in looks to the top models as depicted in your pics.

There is and I think always has been a different (lower) standard for go-go girls vs girls in the real world outside the bars. I believe one could find many cases in a given afternoon of regular Thai girls shopping in the malls and working in offices who would rival those top models in looks if they had the benefit of the same photographers, lighting, make-up and so on. However, there would naturally be a lower standard for the kind of girls who find themselves in go-go bars offering their bodies to strangers for what amounts to a relative pittance to the stranger. And, to be fair, their standard is imo higher than what passes for general good looks in my part of the world, the USA. A go-go girl who might rate a 7.5 or near an 8 would and could easily knock it out of the park as a solid 9 if she strutted her stuff in a bikini on any beach resort I have been to in the USA.[/QUOTE]In the past I claimed I met some girls where body was very close to a 10, since everything really perfect and could easily be just as good as top models excepting height.

However I was always reticentti claim havings met bargirls or hookers with face above an 8 or 8. 5.

I think I claimed almost 10 for body of Nat, now rumoyred to be a photographic model, simply baecuase tits of perfection fab ass and no faults found. For face I had to admit she would be about an 8. Not quite movie star standard.

Once had a girl at Candy massage angie I think, there only briefly. Body I scored close to a 10, again face well behind at about 8. I try to be realistic.

So I think hookers dip out particularly for face beauty, so many with low quality surgeries. So many superstars in Bacarra have face of a 6 in my rating.

Recently tried a very stunning Soapy girl to my taste. Face a 9 for me, body very nice slim but cannot give more than 8 or so for body. Tits could be bigger to get a better score and thigh also (slughtly too slim) but no real faults. The great looks were useless. Service poor.

Many oily girls are about a 5 or less for the face and body to be realistic. I don't care how cheap a girl may be, I try to avoid the fuglies. Quit my cheap street walker. Just not good enough to excite any more.

I don't get imressed by guys that can find 1K girls. Yes I know they exist. They just are not going to be beauties giving extended GFE.

So we all get motivated by different criteria.

Surprised that this island doesn't have its own thread yet.

On this page you can find a comprehensive nightlife guide for Koh Chang. Beer bars, massage, karaoke bars and best nightclubs.

[URL]http://goodbyeboringlife.com/nightlife-and-thai-girls-at-koh-chang/[/URL]

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;2079248]Hi Syz.

Well, it's seems that your taste match mine 100%! I could post exactly the same pictures LOL![/QUOTE]Well your first girl looked pretty hot in a dark smouldering sort of way.

The 2nd one was not quite outstanding I think, obviously not a top model. I think I could give her a 7 for the face with nose a bit broad. Body looked not quite slim enough for me as far as I could see it, but I could be wrong. O.K. she has a nice smile and is well above average for Issan girls. I probably would not knock her back. LOL Works in a bar? I once did a girl in Long Gun that looked a bit similar.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2079167]
I have never had a 9 or 10 that wasn't so completely into her self that she cared anything about the customers feelings. I'm still looking but it takes a lot of field work and time spent talking and getting to know the ladies that you have assessed at 9 or 10.
[/QUOTE]There is no point looking for 9 or 10 point girls. They just appear occasionally (really 8s), often on the street, and you follow them to find out they happen to work in an MP. LOL okay Can look for stunning girls very expensive at The Lord.

We take a girl for hot sex. I don't need girls to be that far into my feelings. I need her to be relaxed, willing to be turned on herself, and try to get her own enjoyment.

I don't look for a girl that is just trained in procedures like at a Pornstar Oily, and just goes through all those trained procedures. I know some guys just lie back and expect to get serviced, but that is not me.

I do like older girls with experience that know how to do things, yes, but I want girls that maybe forget a little that they are working, and just go with the flow. Have some fun. I only have 5 maybe 6 regular girls left (4 come from bars). The stunners all disappeared. I have to make do with well above average looks most of the time.

Yes I agree it is very hard to find a new stunner worth repeating, even at The Lord. Still I am not an average customer, so it is different for others. Keep trying. Eventually will find a stunner that suits.

I continue to have a better success rate with bargirls generally because they meet the looks requirements more easily than at Oilies, and I choose girls into Farangs.

The skin lightening thing looks awful. I don't know if it is a powder or what but it looks false. At first it just seemed to me someting was off, but now I see it quickly and don't like it. Does anyone here like it?

Twice I have taken a bar girl back to the motel with me and after the shower they looked so much better without makeup. I think they are going for a "sexy" look with the makeup. They look fresh without it. One woman was wearing g a dress with fishnet stockings, when she left the next morning she was wearing shorts. She had a really nice ass that the shorts showed off.

It is just my opinion but I think if more dressed to look like a pretty woman, girl next door type I would be more attracted. I think the sexy look sometimes descends into slutty.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2082099]The skin lightening thing looks awful. I don't know if it is a powder or what but it looks false. At first it just seemed to me someting was off, but now I see it quickly and don't like it. Does anyone here like it?

Twice I truly very small minority of truly pretty girls can look so great without makeup, and as ET says, that applies to movie stars as well.
[/QUOTE]Something to get used to, the Thai propensity to put lighter makeup on the face sometimes giving a ghostly look. Yes it can look really poor when a poor quality job or the contrast is too high. I have been known to joke that some girl's face looked like a ghost, and I might not choose such weird looking girls myself either. Then again if she is really pretty, why not?

Many Farangs do not have the bias against darker skin, I am one of those. I can range from light skin to medium tan skin to black (if not too exceptionally black). I suppose I don't like extremely white either. Just a relatively normal range.

Would I take the green skinned girl from Guardians of the Galaxy, you bet ya! No problem at all. She is hot regardless of the skin tone. Would I take girls with green hair, blue hair, pink hair, etc. Yes again no problem. Most of us take bottle blondes or bottle redheads. At one time the prettiest girl in Crazy House, Donut, had rainbow coloured hair. Different shades in bands, including green and red. I did not give the slightest fuck about what colour her hair was. LOL.

One girl I BFed more than once and took from bar to nearby ST hotel would wear a low cut thin smooth material dress, barely covering the tits, absolutely obvious she had no underwear on at all. This would never happen 20 years ago except in Pattaya, but in modern day, girls can dress overly sexy or slutty. Obviously not suited to taking out to a formal occasion, but OK to take for a fuck. I don't have shame in such a situation. Of course she knew very well we only had the length of cowboy to traverse.

LBs have been known to flash their tits in public, and have no shame whatsoever.

Other day took a taxi to see my Gik for the night when my plane was delayed till morning. She came out to meet me on the street in dressing gown and silky bed-wear underneath and I am sure the taxi driver got a flash of her nipples. Girls are getting very non shy these days. Ass cheeks hanging out of cut off jean shorts is common. Lycra/spandex hugging the pussy curves is seen. Who knows where it will be in 50 years time.

I am hoping that all P4P establishments will have fully nude girls within 10 years. LOL It's only a matter of time. Maybe I exaggerate a little. We still have puritanical politicians stuffing everything up.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2082260]
Would I take the green skinned girl from Guardians of the Galaxy, you bet ya! No problem at all. She is hot regardless of the skin tone. .[/QUOTE]In case someone did not see the movie, Zoe Saldana is a hottie for me, even though quite skinny. Not sure all these pics are actually related to the movie. One of my bargirls looks a lot like the 2nd pic, barring the green skin. That is definitely my Spec, and emphasises that skin tone doesn't matter to me nor hair colour, and large tits is not a requirement (only a bonus).

Can I find many girls looking like this in the Oily MPs? Nah, possible but mostly meet pudgy girls. I love girls with slim thighs creating a significant gap under and between peachy high firm ass cheeks. I pretty much rule out girls with no gap or saggy flabby ass.

We are paying good money right, so may as well try to get girls that meet our specs, whatever that may be.

Hi guys,

I'm coming to Bangkok on November and have a fantasy of participating in a gang-bang with multiple men and woman (no transgenders).

Does anyone know where can I find such parties in Bangkok?

Please note that I'm not looking for regular swingers party as I'm single.

Thank you for your help.

[QUOTE=TodLore;2083017]
I'm coming to Bangkok on November and have a fantasy of participating in a gang-bang with multiple men and woman (no transgenders).

Does anyone know where can I find such parties in Bangkok?
[/QUOTE]There is no venue regularly offering such parties, as far as I know. Thai authorities take a dim view of this, and have busted a few gangbang events in the past (don't ask me why, it makes no sense to me either). However, I doubt they'd interfere with a private small one that's not a regular thing or widely publicized.

One option is to post here or on one of the other forums (say, Bangkok or Pattaya Addicts), and arrange it over PM.

Once you find a fellow monger (or two) to do it, you can arrange the women directly with some of the looser venues. PSE oilies like Tulip, Snow White, Cherry, Mango or Eden Club (is it still around) would probably be your easiest shot.

I will soon be returning to LOS next month but have a question. I am not much of a drinker. I have never cared for the taste of alcohol or the loss of self control it can bring, so I just don't do it much at all. But I read the reports of you guys who bring the women back to your hotel and you drink it up to fun times. I have brought back women, but no booze outside of the bar and I am wondering if I need to be offering them something to drink? Beside water! Haha. Since my own personal lifestyle and the people I hang with don't drink, until just now I really haven't considered making it available to my lady guests. I am ok with them drinking, certainly! Just not me as I find the taste detestable.

Sooo, should I buy some booze that I can offer to them? What might be recommended? I am really clueless about this since, again, my lifestyle pretty much excludes alcohol. No morality judgment here on my part at all. I buy plenty of lady drinks, and will occasionally have a mixed drink, but to buy booze to bring back to my hotel has really never occurred to me as something that the women might be expecting and which will increase the pleasure levels (hers by drinking and dulling her mind about having sex with an old man, mine by her being drunk and less inhibited).

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2083947]I will soon be returning to LOS next month but have a question. I am not much of a drinker. I have never cared for the taste of alcohol or the loss of self control it can bring, so I just don't do it much at all. But I read the reports of you guys who bring the women back to your hotel and you drink it up to fun times. I have brought back women, but no booze outside of the bar and I am wondering if I need to be offering them something to drink? Beside water! Haha. Since my own personal lifestyle and the people I hang with don't drink, until just now I really haven't considered making it available to my lady guests. I am ok with them drinking, certainly! Just not me as I find the taste detestable.

Sooo, should I buy some booze that I can offer to them? What might be recommended? I am really clueless about this since, again, my lifestyle pretty much excludes alcohol. No morality judgment here on my part at all. I buy plenty of lady drinks, and will occasionally have a mixed drink, but to buy booze to bring back to my hotel has really never occurred to me as something that the women might be expecting and which will increase the pleasure levels (hers by drinking and dulling her mind about having sex with an old man, mine by her being drunk and less inhibited).[/QUOTE]Keep a few cans of imported beer in your fridge and you will do fine. Either ask the hotel to empty the fridge and fill it with your 7-11 supplies (mind the restricted sale times for alcohol) or pay the drinks at hotel rates. The second option will limit the choices and quanties as the fridge is filled with lots of "useless" drinks.

Your own selection might be more efficient and last longer (an open can of beer doesn't get drank as a whole as quickly become s warm.

Maybe a small bottle (1/2 LT) of sangsom to mix with coke can be a plus.

A juice or water for you will wet your throat.

[QUOTE=TodLore;2083017]Hi guys,

I'm coming to Bangkok on November and have a fantasy of participating in a gang-bang with multiple men and woman (no transgenders).

Does anyone know where can I find such parties in Bangkok?

Please note that I'm not looking for regular swingers party as I'm single.

Thank you for your help.[/QUOTE]I think you can fuck multiple girls in public in the Star of Light bar with others watching. Perhaps not quite a gang bang but who needs others guys that are not your close buddies?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2083947]I am not much of a drinker. I have never cared for the taste of alcohol or the loss of self control it can bring, so I just don't do it much at all. But I read the reports of you guys who bring the women back to your hotel and you drink it up to fun times. I have brought back women, but no booze outside of the bar and I am wondering if I need to be offering them something to drink? Beside water! Haha. Since my own personal lifestyle and the people I hang with don't drink, until just now I really haven't considered making it available to my lady guests. I am ok with them drinking, certainly! Just not me as I find the taste detestable.

Sooo, should I buy some booze that I can offer to them? What might be recommended? <snip> I buy plenty of lady drinks, and will occasionally have a mixed drink, but to buy booze to bring back to my hotel has really never occurred to me as something that the women might be expecting and which will increase the pleasure levels (hers by drinking and dulling her mind about having sex with an old man, mine by her being drunk and less inhibited).[/QUOTE]Drinking is a social act. Unless the girl is a lush, she won't want to drink alone in your hotel room. Therefore you have been doing the right thing all along and that was being friendly and buying lady drinks in the bar. Of course a six pack of beer on hand in the frige is always a good idea. Is beer alcohol? I thought it was fermented soda. LOL. Buy a decent brand. Thai Go Go girls have a taste for Heineken. Don't ask me why. They also like to pour their beer over ice. Again, don't ask me why. 555. I find their preference charming.

On a more serious drinking level, but still very social, I like to have a bottle of high quality Anejo Tequila or Mezcal in my hotel room. I usually bring a bottle or two carefully wrapped up in my suitcase from the USA. But that is me. I like to drink with girls. I pour shots for them and myself and then I show them how I like to sip fine Tequila and not slug it back like the rot gut they serve in the Go Go's. Then they just through back the shots anyway. Tequila really gets the party going like no other booze. It's not a biggie, but it has made for some pretty amazing and unbelievable nights. The main thing is be yourself and enjoy the girls.

I also always have fruit juice, cokes, and bottled water on hand. I want my sexy little guests to feel at home. 555.

I was at a bar with some 21 year old who was new. She seemed hesitant and another woman there was pushing me to take the new girl. I kind of like the idea of a new girl, but declined because of her hesitancy. How do things like that work out usually? It was 2000 baht plus 300 bar fine so not really a money issue. Is her seeming scared (for lack of a better term) a big concern?

Second question, I went into a bar, bought a woman a lady drink and groped her for 20 minutes. What do I need to pay her? Is the lady drink enough? I gave her 200 baht and she seemed happy enough. To be honest, I am a cheap charlie that wants to be fair, so pay what's right but not more.

Not a question, but my opinion. I kind of like the older bar girls. They seem happy to be groped. One wanted 2000 baht for overnight which seemed high, she said she was 47. Another said she was 41 and was pretty hot.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2084741]I was at a bar with some 21 year old who was new. She seemed hesitant and another woman there was pushing me to take the new girl. I kind of like the idea of a new girl, but declined because of her hesitancy. How do things like that work out usually? It was 2000 baht plus 300 bar fine so not really a money issue. Is her seeming scared (for lack of a better term) a big concern?

Second question, I went into a bar, bought a woman a lady drink and groped her for 20 minutes. What do I need to pay her? Is the lady drink enough? I gave her 200 baht and she seemed happy enough. To be honest, I am a cheap charlie that wants to be fair, so pay what's right but not more.

Not a question, but my opinion. I kind of like the older bar girls. They seem happy to be groped. One wanted 2000 baht for overnight which seemed high, she said she was 47. Another said she was 41 and was pretty hot.[/QUOTE]Maybe slightly more than 2 questions.

Newbie hesitant girls can work out very badly. Can have no skills and completely scared. Its a big risk. Best for her to have 2 or 3 drinks (leg openers) to see if she gets a little less hesitant. However could be wasting your money. Ask her what she likes to do, and what sort of guy she likes. If she likes a guy type very different to you, maybe give it a miss. Newbie girls that are just a little shy but showing more confidence may turn out good on the bed (or may not).

I have a girl who has worked off and on at Crazy House for 4 years (no newbie) and is still on the shy side in the bar. LOL However she is fine on the bed. She is at least not hesitant to give her answer or opinion and does not appear scared of the customer. Just not raunchy in public. However if the girl acts very scared of you, give her a miss.

If you feel bad about grouping her too long, just buy her another drink, and give a tip as you did.

2000 Baht for LT is very low price for a Bangkok bargirl (if in Nana or Cowboy cheaper in less touristy areas). You must be "Cheap Charlie" if that seemed high. Maybe there was some misunderstanding? However you probably only got that low due to her age and lack of customers. I have done a girl aged over 47, but very rarely, so no experience with what they usually ask for at that age. My GF is just turning 40 though and still has a hot body and pretty good face lacking wrinkles.

Plenty of BKK bargirls do not do even ST for just 2 K (some do). I have a regular overnight Girl that I give significantly more than 2 k but she is certainly worth it.
I have open invitation to just start fucking her while she is sleeping, but she will soon wake up. LOL.

I don't know typical range of bargirl LT prices since I am not taking LT, but has to be way higher than 2 K.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2084026]Drinking is a social act. Unless the girl is a lush, she won't want to drink alone in your hotel room. Therefore you have been doing the right thing all along and that was being friendly and buying lady drinks in the bar. [/QUOTE]I don't find girls have any problem drinking beers, mixed drinks in the room, even if I am not taking alcohol. I may take an extremely small amount. I can have a drink but just not actually drink much of it and drink soft instead. I don't really drink beer at all. Not only that, I rarely drink anything including a lot of sugar, so avoid "fruit juices". So leaves only a few options.

Some girls don't like it if guys smell too strongly of beer. I don't like it if girls stink too much of beer also.

Also they can drink tequilas in the bar while I take a soda. No big deal. If I am getting stuck into the alcohol, my regulars will know that means I have no intention to fuck, or are already fucked. I just don't need my insensitive dick to be further desensitised. I don't need alcohol to lose inhibitions. LOL.

If girls are too drunk, I know it's too risky to BF them for just a ST booking. If there is any chance they will puke, then no-go. They may come good in a few hours time (or not). I think it's a fine line between getting the girl a little inebriated or too much. Also have to know the girl. Some girls improve a lot with alcohol, some deteriorate.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2084741]I was at a bar with some 21 year old who was new. She seemed hesitant and another woman there was pushing me to take the new girl. I kind of like the idea of a new girl, but declined because of her hesitancy. How do things like that work out usually? It was 2000 baht plus 300 bar fine so not really a money issue. Is her seeming scared (for lack of a better term) a big concern?

Second question, I went into a bar, bought a woman a lady drink and groped her for 20 minutes. What do I need to pay her? Is the lady drink enough? I gave her 200 baht and she seemed happy enough. To be honest, I am a cheap charlie that wants to be fair, so pay what's right but not more.

Not a question, but my opinion. I kind of like the older bar girls. They seem happy to be groped. One wanted 2000 baht for overnight which seemed high, she said she was 47. Another said she was 41 and was pretty hot.[/QUOTE]Newbies have never really worked out for me. Unless they were quite sexually active before getting into the business, they will likely be a bit scared and unsure how to act. Some may freak out if you have a large dick, for example, having only seen small ones. Others will be grossed out if you are too old and / or in bad shape or are rough and demanding or smell bad or are whatever. On the potential plus side, they haven't become jaded yet and, if you happen to hit it off with them, may give a really nice GFE as that is the only kind of sex they have had. But overall, my experience shows they will likely be star fishes in bed.

As for groping girls and tipping, I would agree that as long as you keep buying LDs and she sticks around, you are ok, but certainly a cheap charlie if that is all you do. However, once you have decided you won't BF her, it is only fair to let her go and try to find someone else. A girl can't earn a living off of LDs, and if they can't make a living, we run out of girls and the rates go up. If you are with her for an hour and then leave her, a couple hundred baht tip would not be unreasonable. I mean, how much is it worth to you to grope a pretty girl for an hour? $3? $10? Many will say they spend enough on LDs, but she only gets a portion of that back and, as mentioned, she may miss out on being BF'd by someone else if she sticks with you expecting to be BF'd or tipped. So yeah, you can walk out on her after getting plenty of feels and getting your fingers wet and all, but by leaving a nice tip you will help ensure that she will continue to be friendly with others.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2084792]I don't find girls have any problem drinking beers, mixed drinks in the room, even if I am not taking alcohol. I may take an extremely small amount. I can have a drink but just not actually drink much of it and drink soft instead. I don't really drink beer at all. Not only that, I rarely drink anything including a lot of sugar, so avoid "fruit juices". So leaves only a few options.

If girls are too drunk, I know it's too risky to BF them for just a ST booking. If there is any chance they will puke, then no-go. They may come good in a few hours time (or not). I think it's a fine line between getting the girl a little inebriated or too much. Also have to know the girl. Some girls improve a lot with alcohol, some deteriorate.[/QUOTE]Yeah, a girl may just enjoy the taste of beer and it can quench one's thirst. So, her drinking a cold beer while I am drinking a coke happens a lot. I will drink a beer (1 or 2 beers max) with spicy food, but I hate the bloated feeling more beers give me.

Buying girls Tequilas in bars is my middle name. LOL. But I usually keep pace with them 1 for 1 so I know when it's time to go. There are risks in letting a girl get sloshed. I remember one time I went into one of my favorite Go Go's late at night to see if a girl I knew was still there. She was, but apparently, she had been drinking a number of Tequilas with another gentleman, who then decided not to barfine her. She was in very good spirits, to say the least, when I walked in and as soon as she saw me, she was all over me like sweet sticky rice. I bought a couple of rounds not truly appreciating her condition. Then I barfined her. I remember as we left the bar her best girlfriend asked me to take good care of her, but it was not until we stepped outside that I realized how wasted my little girl was. She was stumbling down drunk and could not stand up straight. I was pretty far to the wind myself so we must have been a sight walking down the Soi back to my hotel, with me practically carrying her most of the way. But we got there finally, thank Buddha, and up to my loom where my pretty made it just barely to the bed before she collapsed.

I was cool with everything because I knew this girl a long time and I knew everything would be ok later. After I showered, I went to her and helped her undress down to her panties. She awoke slightly to make that possible and gave me a few kisses. Then we both passed out. HA HA. But, I woke up early in the morning around dawn with a hard on and we had a very nice shag. Then more sleep. Then another shag around 11 am before I let her go. So, all was good as I knew it would be, but the basic lesson here is don't get slammed and don't let your girl get slammed unless it's one of those rare occasions when it is called for.

So, I totally agree with your observation that "some girls improve a lot with alcohol, some deteriorate." You have to know your girl. For new, never tried before girls, I try to limit the tequilas to 2 or 3 tops before boom boom to warm things up a litte bit and take the edge off. After boom boom, it depends on a number of factors like did I like the girl, do I want to party with her, does she want to party with me. Ect Ect. Again, I don't really consider beer booze at least not in the same category as hard liquor like Tequila. Yes, you can drink a 6 pack of Beer and get drunk, but that is not my idea of a good time. Tequila (Mezcal) is my go to party drink. Nothing works faster or better IMHO except Ludes, but very sadly, those are not available anymore. What a loss to the party/orgy culture! Guys who don't know what I am talking about, go watch "The Wolf of Wall Street".

One more thing - Inexperienced Girls: It's a gamble with inexperienced girls. They can either be great or a wet blanket or somewhere in between.

I met a girl at Rose Bar in Phnom Penh this last March. Her older more experienced sister told me I was her first customer and I kind of believe her. Young sister was very shy in the bar and older sis did most of the talking and arousing. But when I took younger sister back to my room, she turned out to be my #1 new girl shag of 2017. I am not kidding. Read my short Phnom Penh trip report. My 1st night with her was amazing. The 2nd night with her after I spent a night with older sister in between was not as good. I think younger sister was mad at me for shagging her older sister. Oh well. If I had it to do all over again I probably would have remained faithful. LOL.

In any case, sometimes young inexperienced girls can really work out well and other times not so good. I trust my instinct on these matters and I have learned to consider each girl on her individual merits and on the vibe we have or don't have. But it is always a gamble with a young newbie.

Two others in my top 5 new girls of 2017 were also really young and not in the business a long time. I found them both in Alexis Hotel in Jakarta. Both were 18 years old. I could not have asked for better, sweeter GFE sex from either one.

And another barely 18 year old from Burgos St. made my top 10 list. With the young Filipina, things were rapidly going down hill (ie no kissing on the lips & no nipple licking) until I went down on her and brought her to orgasm. After her orgasm she became a warm, loving, sexy girl and the night was saved.

So, I like them young, young (18 to 21), young (21 to 24), still young and pretty (24 to 26), and experienced (26 to 32); all for different reasons. 555. It a smorgasbord. Why not enjoy it?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2084786]Maybe slightly more than 2 questions.



2000 Baht for LT is very low price for a Bangkok bargirl (if in Nana or Cowboy cheaper in less touristy areas). You must be "Cheap Charlie" if that seemed high. Maybe there was some misunderstanding? However you probably only got that low due to her age and lack of customers. I have done a girl aged over 47, but very rarely, so no experience with what they usually ask for at that age. My GF is just turning 40 though and still has a hot body and pretty good face lacking wrinkles.

Plenty of BKK bargirls do not do even ST for just 2 K (some do). I have a regular overnight Girl that I give significantly more than 2 k but she is certainly worth it.
I have open invitation to just start fucking her while she is sleeping, but she will soon wake up. LOL.

I don't know typical range of bargirl LT prices since I am not taking LT, but has to be way higher than 2 K.[/QUOTE]I am at Chalong pier in phuket. I have had one other woman here. I don't know how much she wanted. She seemed to be a freebie. She said she just wanted to be with me and went to leave the next day without me paying her. She was out the door and walking away before I called her back and gave her 2000.

The bars here have few customers, often just me. A few times someone else will walk in, but the 3 nights I have been to that area, 90% of the time I was the only customer in the bar.

My guess was that women here would be about same price as Pattaya, and there I was paying 1000 short time and 1500 for overnight. I was told at one bar here, barfine is 500 before 10 and 300 after.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2084741]Second question, I went into a bar, bought a woman a lady drink and groped her for 20 minutes. What do I need to pay her? Is the lady drink enough? I gave her 200 baht and she seemed happy enough. To be honest, I am a cheap charlie that wants to be fair, so pay what's right but not more.[/QUOTE]I usually buy one lady drink (or maybe 2 LDs) for my 20 minute grope sessions. I usually also tip B100. I think a B200 tip is extremely generous, too much IMHO especially if you buy more than 1 LD. I would only tip B200 if I felt strongly that I would barfine the girl that night or the next night. My grope sessions rarely go beyond 20 minutes.

[QUOTE=Allover;2084879]I usually buy one lady drink (or maybe 2 LDs) for my 20 minute grope sessions. I usually also tip B100. I think a B200 tip is extremely generous, too much IMHO especially if you buy more than 1 LD. I would only tip B200 if I felt strongly that I would barfine the girl that night or the next night. My grope sessions rarely go beyond 20 minutes.[/QUOTE]After 20 minutes you got bored with her pussy or whatever. Ha ha!

I tip the girl something for her time devoted to me, only if I am not going to barfine her. If BFing, she will get paid well enough for the sex in the end. I think generally girls get less than 100 baht commission per drink sold but depends on the bar. I see some bars have lady drinks at 200 Baht now, and perhaps even higher for Coyote girls (due to Coyotes on higher salary) where Crazy House still has lady drinks at 170 Baht. I think the girl gets less than half.

So if tip the girl 200 Baht, that is way better for her than buying her an extra drink. There are girls in the bar that start the night with only 100 baht in the purse or less. Barely the cost to get home by motorcycle. They may be several days late to pay the monthly rent as well. So every drink sold and every little tip becomes important if they did not manage to sell themselves for a ST booking. Have to admit to limiting tips to 100 baht quite often though. If serious groping occurred I might go higher. It is probably unusual for me to go for serious groping without the intention to BF though. Most girls I am groping, I have fucked and fingered before so they are generally comfortable with me. I am shy like that. LOL However when the girl starts grinding her pussy on you, you start to feel like she is giving a green light.

This girls struggling for money leads to a problem. You get girls that do not really want to fuck the customer at all, but pretend to be keen, knowing they will be pathetic on the bed, because the need some money too desperately. I like to be with girls that have decided they want to have fun on the bed, not just grin and bear it.

If a girl knocks me back due to dick scared of Farangs, or its her period, or whatever, I don't see this as a bad thing. At least she is being honest that she doesn't want to fuck, and is not desperate for money. Better than wasting money on a poor session, even if I already bought her a couple of drinks. Find the girls that prefer to fuck Farangs, and maybe even had a Farang BF or two.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2084878]I am at Chalong pier in phuket. I have had one other woman here. I don't know how much she wanted. She seemed to be a freebie. She said she just wanted to be with me and went to leave the next day without me paying her. She was out the door and walking away before I called her back and gave her 2000.

The bars here have few customers, often just me. A few times someone else will walk in, but the 3 nights I have been to that area, 90% of the time I was the only customer in the bar.

My guess was that women here would be about same price as Pattaya, and there I was paying 1000 short time and 1500 for overnight. I was told at one bar here, barfine is 500 before 10 and 300 after.[/QUOTE]Okay That explains the cheap prices. Does not translate to bars in Bangkok. Street walkers maybe, but most are not good enough to keep for the night.

I have never stayed on the Chalong side of Phuket so not much clue about that. I previously thought that Chalong Pier was a fairly ugly spot when catching the boat to Phi Phi Island. So a strange place for a monger to be located, perhaps, or just passing through?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2084864]
In any case, sometimes young inexperienced girls can really work out well and other times not so good. I trust my instinct on these matters and I have learned to consider each girl on her individual merits and on the vibe we have or don't have. But it is always a gamble with a young newbie.
[/QUOTE]Yes all good observations for guys who like to party.

I agree an inexperienced girl can turn out to be a tigress on the bed, or just very keen of fucking. When I first arrive in Bangkok bars, at age 35, I got one newbie girl, can't even remember now whether came from Cowboy or Pat Pong (before Nana Plaza even existed). The significant highlight was her waking me up more than once during the night because she wanted another fuck. Unfortunately never found another girl that was so keen to get another fuck throughout the night. Have the one girl who invites me to initiate sex any time I feel like it when she is asleep, but she still needs training up to just start blowing me while I am asleep, and to take the initiative. Unfortunately I usually wake up well before her. So get plenty of time to go brush my teeth, shave the stubble etc. , so all well prepared for a morning sex. Still I am allowed to just start it without having to wait till she wakes up.

I always wanted a GF that would signal it is time to wake up in the morning by just starting the BBBJ. Why waste the morning glory hard-ONS? My real GF always wakes up before me, but never thinks of molesting me straight away. So sad we have these fantasies that never seem to be reality.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2084984]This girls struggling for money leads to a problem. You get girls that do not really want to fuck the customer at all, but pretend to be keen, knowing they will be pathetic on the bed, because the need some money too desperately. I like to be with girls that have decided they want to have fun on the bed, not just grin and bear it.

If a girl knocks me back due to dick scared of Farangs, or its her period, or whatever, I don't see this as a bad thing. At least she is being honest that she doesn't want to fuck, and is not desperate for money. Better than wasting money on a poor session, even if I already bought her a couple of drinks. Find the girls that prefer to fuck Farangs, and maybe even had a Farang BF or two.[/QUOTE]I agree. Real desire is much better. I don't believe the girls can fake a dripping wet pussy yet; but I am not sure. Some of my best times are with introductions from past ones.

Hi,

I just read my reports where Bangkok FL do not like people of Indian origin.

I am of Indian origin born and bred in North America. I dunno if anyone can share their experience in regards to thermae in this situation.

What are my chances of picking up a SYT? Should I just use Smooci or other escort services instead?

Thanks for your suggestions.

[QUOTE=LisaRoy;2085933]Hi,

I just read my reports where Bangkok FL do not like people of Indian origin.

I am of Indian origin born and bred in North America. I dunno if anyone can share their experience in regards to thermae in this situation.

What are my chances of picking up a SYT? Should I just use Smooci or other escort services instead?

Thanks for your suggestions.[/QUOTE]Be a gentleman.

Talk nicely.

Don't be cheap.

Be friendly.

Rest upon luck.

[QUOTE=MRahul84;2086062]Be a gentleman.

Talk nicely.

Don't be cheap.

Be friendly.

Rest upon luck.[/QUOTE]Don't worry to much if you speak american English they will smell the greens in your pockets. Tip like you do in the US and some want to marry you. Some will not like your color of skin but that is the same in most Asia.

[QUOTE=LisaRoy;2085933]Hi,

I just read my reports where Bangkok FL do not like people of Indian origin.

I am of Indian origin born and bred in North America. I dunno if anyone can share their experience in regards to thermae in this situation.

What are my chances of picking up a SYT? Should I just use Smooci or other escort services instead?

Thanks for your suggestions.[/QUOTE]I second the suggestion to not behave like a stereotypical Indian and spread the cash around and be generous. Money talks.

[QUOTE=LisaRoy;2085933]Hi,

I just read my reports where Bangkok FL do not like people of Indian origin.

I am of Indian origin born and bred in North America. I dunno if anyone can share their experience in regards to thermae in this situation.

What are my chances of picking up a SYT? Should I just use Smooci or other escort services instead?

Thanks for your suggestions.[/QUOTE]This is contrary to my experience. Barring a couple of of GoGo bars which could be termed racist, which should any way not be bothering, as there are plenty of them around the town, I have never experienced any dislike for Indians either from FL or in GoGo bars or other places. So, it does not matter whether you were born and bred in America. All that matters is money and you should keep going. I have no doubt you will be able to pick up any number of SYT, by being courteous and nice to girls.

Exchanged 100's at the D.A. T. Exchange booth on Soi 24 near BTS Phrom Phong. This is right across the street from the Addict massage alley. My exchange rate on 100 dollar bills was 33.2 which I thought was very good compared to what I have been seeing lately. Just a PSA. See photo. They open at 11:00am

[QUOTE=Jebapaf;2088916]Exchanged 100's at the D.A. T. Exchange booth on Soi 24 near BTS Phrom Phong. This is right across the street from the Addict massage alley. My exchange rate on 100 dollar bills was 33.2 which I thought was very good compared to what I have been seeing lately. Just a PSA. See photo. They open at 11:00am[/QUOTE]Yes; the USD has moved a bit this week, from about the 33.00 range to about the 33.40 range. I normally check the [URL]XE.com[/URL] website rate (currently 33.37) and subtract 1/10 baht to get the achievable exchange rate on the ground.

SL.

I needed to get my visa extended. My gym offers help with this. I paid around 4000 thb for trip to penang malaysia. I paid 1500 thb to visa people and another 500 baht because I did not have a exit ticket out of thailand and they provided me one. It was a long trip to penang from thailand, around 12 hours. We had to stop at border on thai and on malaysia side.

The things I needed were, my passport, 2 passport photos, exit ticket out of thailand, copy of passport, some kind of exit thing that I think I got when I entered thailand, (had to buy for 200 baht), note from hotel saying I was staying there for 3 months, and I think that was it. When we got to penang, we went to the thai embassy, and did the paper work. I left my passport with them. The next day we were taken back there and given our passport back. We then left to come back home.

I exchanged 500 baht for ringgit at a currency exchange. Meals and hotel were provided by visa company.

It was a long trip in an uncomfortable van. Some really friendly nice people were also going there, and meeting them was nice.

All in all I got my visa extended by just doing what I was told by the visa guy and asking some of the people I was with questions.

I wanted to post this as I looked here for info and didn't find any, so thought I would add this. I realize it probably is t going to be a lot of help other then as encouragement that if one just follows the visa runner company guidelines one will get a visa.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2089224]I needed to get my visa extended. My gym offers help with this. I paid around 4000 thb for trip to penang malaysia. I paid 1500 thb to visa people and another 500 baht because I did not have a exit ticket out of thailand and they provided me one. It was a long trip to penang from thailand, around 12 hours. We had to stop at border on thai and on malaysia side.

The things I needed were, my passport, 2 passport photos, exit ticket out of thailand, copy of passport, some kind of exit thing that I think I got when I entered thailand, (had to buy for 200 baht), note from hotel saying I was staying there for 3 months, and I think that was it. When we got to penang, we went to the thai embassy, and did the paper work. I left my passport with them. The next day we were taken back there and given our passport back. We then left to come back home.

I exchanged 500 baht for ringgit at a currency exchange. Meals and hotel were provided by visa company.

It was a long trip in an uncomfortable van. Some really friendly nice people were also going there, and meeting them was nice.

All in all I got my visa extended by just doing what I was told by the visa guy and asking some of the people I was with questions.

I wanted to post this as I looked here for info and didn't find any, so thought I would add this. I realize it probably is t going to be a lot of help other then as encouragement that if one just follows the visa runner company guidelines one will get a visa.[/QUOTE]Authorities are clamping down on VISA runs. Significant rules state that after one 30 extension of VISA waver at Immigration in Chang Wattana, you now have to exit the country by plane.

I think flying out to Phnom Penh for one night plus, is a lot easier than travel to Penang by land.

I used to have 7 to 8 free entries to Thailand each year, but new rules (hard to find written down definitely) state I will get only two freebie entries (30 day Visa waiver) per year. I now have found it is easier to pay the money (approx. 8000 Baht I'm my home country) and get a 6 month multi entry Visa (still has a max of 60 days at a time. Normally enough for me).

6th Oct is "Ork Phansaa" (end of Buddhist Lent) - Monks come out from retreat. Maybe bar closures. Perhaps not all.

7th Oct is "Tot Gatin" (sometimes spelled Thod Kathin) ceremony for presenting orange Robes to the monks.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2089542]I used to have 7 to 8 free entries to Thailand each year, but new rules (hard to find written down definitely) state I will get only two freebie entries (30 day Visa waiver) per year. I now have found it is easier to pay the money (approx. 8000 Baht I'm my home country) and get a 6 month multi entry Visa (still has a max of 60 days at a time. Normally enough for me).[/QUOTE]The 2 free entries per year is not enforced, I've been 4 times already since March. On my last trip I was only there for 10 hours and the immigration officer asked where I was going. I just told him that I was heading into town to kill time. All of my trips this year have been short, ust a few days each, and that may make a difference.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2090062]All of my trips this year have been short, ust a few days each, and that may make a difference.[/QUOTE]I think this is the key. What they don't want are people just repeatedly staying in Thailand on a free visa. Anyways, the 6 month multi entry tourist Visa is so cheap anyways. Better to just get one. It can be extended to 8 months really since you get a 60 day extension as long as you re-enter Thailand before your Visa expires.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2089542]I think flying out to Phnom Penh for one night plus, is a lot easier than travel to Penang by land.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I love my Visa runs. I get to fly to nearby mongering destinations like Phnom Penh, Jakarta, Angeles City, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Ho chi Minh, etc. if you fly AirAsia you can fly round trip to some of these destinations for 2000 baht.

For those who know or have lived here for some time.

Looking for a good used magazine place, that has Chinese (Hong Kong) movie magazines from the late 80's, early 90's.

Maybe even Hong Kong music CD's from that era as well. Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Don't forget tonight 5 Oct is "wan ork phansaa" or religious holiday where Monks come out from Buddhist Lent retreat today.

Alcohol cannot be sold and bars are closed. My CH source girl tells me even Crazy H is closed (not a bar to follow the rules).

So hopefully you all have your alcohol stash at home. I do. Also use your LINE App contacts for liason tonight or do a massage parlour, or freelancer.

I have no extra pretty regular girls in the MPs right now, nor any regular pretty street walker (needs to be rectified soon). I will do all night Gig with my retired Hooker (well I guess that is semi-retired technically).

Tomorrow is still a holiday ("Thot Gathin" the giving of robes to monks ceremony) for government officials and some others but bars should open.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2091069]Alcohol cannot be sold and bars are closed. [/QUOTE]That explains why I have had already had 3 gogo girl friends asking me to go to dinner tonight. They can't work so they may as well get a free meal.

Not sure about BKK, but Pattaya gogo bars open at midnight on nights like this.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2091074]Not sure about BKK, but Pattaya gogo bars open at midnight on nights like this.[/QUOTE]Last night we were out on Soi 6 and the bars closed at 12. Earlier today I saw ice being delivered to the places on Walking Street so I think midnight it is.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2090084]I agree. I love my Visa runs. I get to fly to nearby mongering destinations like Phnom Penh, Jakarta, Angeles City, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Ho chi Minh, etc. if you fly AirAsia you can fly round trip to some of these destinations for 2000 baht.[/QUOTE]Been trying to find a direct flight from BKK to Angeles City but they all seem to be at least 1 stop. Direct Flights from BKK to Manila are possible, but can't find direct to Angeles City. Anyone know of a direct to Angeles out of Bangkok?

Thank you for any info.

Live report from Beach Road. Tons of girls especially outside Mike's shopping mall. Problem is tons of guys too with no where to go. Not all bars closed but few girls and no music from those still open.

Checked out LK Metro at 12:05 am. The bars were open but only one gogo bar open. I won't mention which one in case they were breaking the rules. Arrived at Walking Street around 12:15 am. Packed! Most bars were open the entire night except for Yes! Infinity, Pheromones, and the group around What's Up like Electric Blue, Misty, Dollhouse, etc. Even though my night was short 12:15 to 2:45 am, I had a fantastic time hitting 5 gogo bars and meeting a nice new girl at Tantra.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2091256]Checked out LK Metro at 12:05 am. The bars were open but only one gogo bar open. I won't mention which one in case they were breaking the rules. Arrived at Walking Street around 12:15 am. Packed! Most bars were open the entire night except for Yes! Infinity, Pheromones, and the group around What's Up like Electric Blue, Misty, Dollhouse, etc. Even though my night was short 12:15 to 2:45 am, I had a fantastic time hitting 5 gogo bars and meeting a nice new girl at Tantra.[/QUOTE]What's going on that bars are closed? And are they going to be closed this weekend? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2091294]What's going on that bars are closed? And are they going to be closed this weekend? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Religious holiday that Syzygies posted a few posts back. Bars didn't have to close rather they were not allowed to sell alcohol. Back to normal today in Pattaya. Even last night Walking Street was about 95% open.

I might want to go to a doctor about some fluid on my elbow. I think it needs to be sacked out. How much might that cost? I just want a rough estimate. Might it be a couple thousand baht or would it be a lot more? Will they give me a price of some kind before I commit to having something done? How much is just a regular office visit? Again I just want a rough guess. Thanks k you for any help.

Also if it matters I am in Phuket, but kind of out of the main areas.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2091387]I might want to go to a doctor about some fluid on my elbow. I think it needs to be sacked out. How much might that cost? I just want a rough estimate. Might it be a couple thousand baht or would it be a lot more? Will they give me a price of some kind before I commit to having something done? How much is just a regular office visit? Again I just want a rough guess. Thanks k you for any help.

Also if it matters I am in Phuket, but kind of out of the main areas.[/QUOTE]Although outside of Phuket, for example if you use a International hospital like in Pattaya, Bangkok / Pattaya, to drain the fluid from you elbow, emergency room might be around 3- 5,000 baht, that would include the medication. If it isn't a lot of fluid it might drain in a day or so if you use a hot compress. Sounds like you hit your elbow on the berseck (sorry for spelling). At BPH, the average Dr. Charge is 600 baht, then they ala carte everything Then they will try to soak you for a few days inspecting and cleaning it.

This is something I think you can do in a clinic which should be lot cheaper which I'm sure are plenty in your area once they tell you what they got to do, ask them how much? A hospital as mentioned above will take longer for a answer since they have to check with the other departments. The clinics in general never provide a breakdown or receipt?

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Montani;2091114]Anyone know of a direct to Angeles out of Bangkok?[/QUOTE]No, no direct flights any more. Cebu Pacific used to fly the route, but they no longer do. Going to Manila, then taking a taxi or a bus is probably the easiest way.

[QUOTE=Montani;2091114]Anyone know of a direct to Angeles out of Bangkok? Thank you for any info.[/QUOTE]Like Crocodilexp stated, flying to Manila and taking a bus is an easy and probably the fastest route. I researched a lot of options for BKK-CRK flights when planning my upcoming trip. Some online agencies will sell you a ticket from DMK to CRK via Macau. The connection times both ways are very short (about 1 h 30 min), though, and I would not count either Air Asia or Cebu Pacific being on time. For me the best option would have been to buy separate tickets for DMK-HKG route and HKG-CRK routes. The price without luggage would have been about the same as on BKK-MNL route but instead of spending few hours in a bus to AC I would have had the opportunity to spend a day both ways in Hong Kong.

In the end I decided to skip Bangkok this time as I will be vacationing in Thailand in few months anyway. If you decide to travel from Bangkok to Angeles City, please report back.

[QUOTE=Kurre;2091459]If you decide to travel from Bangkok to Angeles City, please report back.[/QUOTE]I have reported on this many times, probably more in the AC thread though. As a matter of fact I will leave from BKK to Manila tomorrow morning at 9. See my post from I think Sep 24 in the AC thread.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2091497]I have reported on this many times, probably more in the AC thread though. As a matter of fact I will leave from BKK to Manila tomorrow morning at 9. See my post from I think Sep 24 in the AC thread.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the pointer! I read the AC thread regularly and I noticed the pics of your Victory Liner trip. Thanks for sharing that info!

I toyed with the idea of coming in through Manila in November myself but I found a connection from Europe via Doha and Hong Kong to Clark that fits my schedule perfectly.

Hi guys,

I'm planning my 2nd trip to Thailand this year. I will start in and around Krabi for the first week.

The second week I'll head to Hua Hin. Does anyone know if Chumphon is worth visiting it for a couple of days?

Or should you advice to visit another city between Krabi and Hua Hin?

Can anyone recommend a good, reliable place to have my testosterone level checked here in Bangkok? Much appreciated. Thanks.

[QUOTE=MichelJ;2091936]Hi guys,

I'm planning my 2nd trip to Thailand this year. I will start in and around Krabi for the first week.

The second week I'll head to Hua Hin. Does anyone know if Chumphon is worth visiting it for a couple of days?

Or should you advice to visit another city between Krabi and Hua Hin?[/QUOTE]Krabi is good value. Hua Hin less interesting for me.

I have visited Prajuap and also Sam Roi Yot National Park, both very quiet places so I took a girl with me.

Don't really know if Chumporn has anything interesting. I did catch a boat from there to Koh Tao (island) in the past.

You can do web search for tourist attractions in various places. Lonely Planet Guide to Thailand is or was pretty crap (probably the very worst one) for covering tourist attractions in the past. It seemed to waste a lot of space on Hotels, restaurants, transport, etc. Fortunately we have the internet to make those travel guides totally obsolete.

[QUOTE=MichelJ;2091936]Hi guys,

I'm planning my 2nd trip to Thailand this year. I will start in and around Krabi for the first week.

The second week I'll head to Hua Hin. Does anyone know if Chumphon is worth visiting it for a couple of days?

Or should you advice to visit another city between Krabi and Hua Hin?[/QUOTE]Prachuap Kiri Khan is delightful. An hour south of Hua Hin. Great town, beach is on the air force base and you have to go across the runway to get to it. Very few tourists. Great seafood. I am not a beach guy, but PKK is fantastic. And cheap. Prachuap Grand Hotel for about 1300 Baht a night.

I'm arriving Wednesday and I'm clueless.

I've been trying to read reports but info seems scattered.

Arrive in BKK at 945 pm so by time get bags etc figure I'd stay near airport.

Then I have to split the next 5 nights between Bangkok and Pattaya.

I have no idea what costs should be, seeing 2500 Baht for an hour seems high for what I was expecting in Thailand.

Are there any newbie threads or a place someone can point me for a guide.

[QUOTE=ScottoD;2092422]I'm arriving Wednesday and I'm clueless.

I've been trying to read reports but info seems scattered.

Arrive in BKK at 945 pm so by time get bags etc figure I'd stay near airport.

Then I have to split the next 5 nights between Bangkok and Pattaya.

I have no idea what costs should be, seeing 2500 Baht for an hour seems high for what I was expecting in Thailand.

Are there any newbie threads or a place someone can point me for a guide.[/QUOTE]First tip. Staying by the airport is silly. Head into Sukhumvit, or head straight to Pattaya. There is plenty of action after midnight.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2092204]I have visited Prajuap and also Sam Roi Yot National Park[/QUOTE]Yep! Don't miss it!

[URL]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Phraya_Nakhon_Cave.jpg/800px-Phraya_Nakhon_Cave.jpg[/URL]

I don't believe anything will be open on day of the funeral. It will be considered to be extremely un-Thai. Unthinkable. I guess airport and hotels have to operate. Taxis and BTS maybe not.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2092592]I don't believe anything will be open on day of the funeral. It will be considered to be extremely un-Thai. Unthinkable. I guess airport and hotels have to operate. Taxis and BTS maybe not.[/QUOTE]I will be in Thailand during the funeral. What are your expectations for restaurants and free lancers? The 26th seems to be a good day to take a break from normal activities, pay respect. Do you have any particular expectations for the remainder of the 5-day funeral (October 25, 27, 28, 29)?

[QUOTE=MichelJ;2091936]Hi guys,

I'm planning my 2nd trip to Thailand this year. I will start in and around Krabi for the first week.

The second week I'll head to Hua Hin. Does anyone know if Chumphon is worth visiting it for a couple of days?

Or should you advice to visit another city between Krabi and Hua Hin?[/QUOTE]One of my prior Thai girlfriends (USA citizen) married a farang and built a house near Chumphon. She described the area as "relaxed and sleepy". For comparison, this same girl described the nightlife on Koh Samui as "raunchy". If you have never visited Koh Samui, it isn't nearly as raunchy as Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza.

[QUOTE=ScottoD;2092422]I'm arriving Wednesday and I'm clueless.

I've been trying to read reports but info seems scattered.

Arrive in BKK at 945 pm so by time get bags etc figure I'd stay near airport.

Then I have to split the next 5 nights between Bangkok and Pattaya.

I have no idea what costs should be, seeing 2500 Baht for an hour seems high for what I was expecting in Thailand.

Are there any newbie threads or a place someone can point me for a guide.[/QUOTE]If you are asking for a place to stay near the airport then try Silver gold garden hotel in nearby Lat Krabang. The hotel will shuttle you there and back to the airport. Rooms cost about 800 baht, and you can pay for a breakfast as well. After breakfast the shuttle van leaves about every hour back to Suvarnabhumi. Its a good deal for those who want to use the low cost buses during the day to Pattaya, rather than take expensive taxis at night. Read tripadvisor reports for more details.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2092601]That is right in the middle of my vacation. What are your expectations for restaurants and free lancers?[/QUOTE]All things under the header of "entertainment" will be suspended for the day. That includes shows in shopping malls, parades and outdoor concerts. BTS and MRT will run as normal and will be free to use on Oct 26th as well as Airport Rail link. All buses and trains are expected to run as normal, but private companies make their own decisions. Malls should be open. A lot of people will take advantage of the free travel opportunities so expect transportation to be crowded.

With FLs its always the question of finding them. On some public holidays (ie. Makha Bucha) I have found company and beer (or even JD) served on some not so centrally located bars, for example near the corner of Soi 4 and Soi 6. Ban to sell alcohol will probably be in place and some club and bar owners have announced that they will voluntarily close for the day or even for the whole week. Insanity Club has a calendar of events on their web page and it shows business as usual. It might be good to check with the place beforehand by calling or messaging them through Facebook.

WeChat could yield results or you could set up a meeting with someone the night before.

The emotions of Thai people are running high on that day, for one reason or another, so if you find company or a place of entertainment, being discreet about might be wise or at least respectful. Especially noisy activities might offend some people.

[QUOTE=ScottoD;2092422]I'm arriving Wednesday and I'm clueless.

I've been trying to read reports but info seems scattered.

Arrive in BKK at 945 pm so by time get bags etc figure I'd stay near airport.

Then I have to split the next 5 nights between Bangkok and Pattaya.

I have no idea what costs should be, seeing 2500 Baht for an hour seems high for what I was expecting in Thailand.

Are there any newbie threads or a place someone can point me for a guide.[/QUOTE]If you have 5 days to divide between Pattaya and Bangkok, I would suggest 4 days in Pattaya and 1 day in Bangkok. From a newbie's viewpoint this is advisable as pussy is readily available at all times in different formats and price ranges in Pattaya. And they are all situated relatively close to each other in an accessible manner.

The night you arrive, take your bags and head to Pattaya. You might arrive in Pattaya by 1 am but that is when Walking Street gets going. Gogo bars stay open till 3 am. Insomnia, I-Bar, Lucifer and other discos stay open till 5 am or even later with a reasonable selection of freelancers to pick from.

On your last day, head to Bangkok (if you must) and then go to the airport from there.

[QUOTE=Kurre;2092617]All things under the header of "entertainment" will be suspended for the day. That includes shows in shopping malls, parades and outdoor concerts. BTS and MRT will run as normal and will be free to use on Oct 26th as well as Airport Rail link. All buses and trains are expected to run as normal, but private companies make their own decisions. Malls should be open. A lot of people will take advantage of the free travel opportunities so expect transportation to be crowded.

With FLs its always the question of finding them. On some public holidays (ie. Makha Bucha) I have found company and beer (or even JD) served on some not so centrally located bars, for example near the corner of Soi 4 and Soi 6. Ban to sell alcohol will probably be in place and some club and bar owners have announced that they will voluntarily close for the day or even for the whole week. Insanity Club has a calendar of events on their web page and it shows business as usual. It might be good to check with the place beforehand by calling or messaging them through Facebook.

WeChat could yield results or you could set up a meeting with someone the night before.

The emotions of Thai people are running high on that day, for one reason or another, so if you find company or a place of entertainment, being discreet about might be wise or at least respectful. Especially noisy activities might offend some people.[/QUOTE]I accept that some transport has to exist so some of the taxis will operate especially transporting people to funeral related things (which they may do for free even). Some will choose not to work. Personal decision perhaps. I expect a lot of businesses to close whether Entertainment or not. Even the supermarket could well be closed in my guesstimate. I don't see why Malls would open. Would be very unseemly for Thais to do that. I am sure Insanity would not dream of opening on the day being an entertainment venue. I am certainly going with the most pessimistic assumptions and probably will stay home.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2092725]I am certainly going with the most pessimistic assumptions and probably will stay home.[/QUOTE]Assuming the worst is prudent and wise. I am basing my estimate on info I got from Thai friends visiting me this month. They are flying back and arriving in BKK on the day of the funeral. The info on free public transportation apparently came from a government website. As to the info on malls and businesses, online sources give contradicting information. Insanity, for example, might have uploaded their event calendar long time ago and not updated it yet. Anyway, I sent them an inquiry through Facebook about that day and will report back when I get a reply.

Stickboy Bangkok is now reporting late King-related closure notices were sent to the bars on Soi Cowboy for Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, Oct. 25, 26 and 27:

[URL]https://www.stickboybkk.com/news/soi-cowboy-closed-25-27-october-2017/[/URL]

No mention of the bars in Nana Plaza or elsewhere yet, but I assume they will be regarded the same as Soi Cowboy and get those notices too.

[QUOTE=Franga;2092615]If you are asking for a place to stay near the airport then try Silver gold garden hotel in nearby Lat Krabang. The hotel will shuttle you there and back to the airport. Rooms cost about 800 baht, and you can pay for a breakfast as well. After breakfast the shuttle van leaves about every hour back to Suvarnabhumi. Its a good deal for those who want to use the low cost buses during the day to Pattaya, rather than take expensive taxis at night. Read tripadvisor reports for more details.[/QUOTE]The bus to Pattaya costs about 100-200 baht (depending on which bus you take). A taxi can be had for about 1000-1200 baht. Are you really suggesting him to waste an entire night (out of only five!) just to save maybe 800 or 1000 baht?

Personally I wouldn't go to Pattaya anyway if I was arriving at 9:45 pm. A taxi or train and BTS to Sukhumvit is much quicker and easier.

I have been meaning to ask what is going on with the crowds on the BTS? The BTS was far more crowded during my visit this past September than in years past. It seemed to be ridiculously crowded at all hours. I was in BKK for about 10 days and there was only one day where it was not insanely crowded. There was more than one occasion where we had to wait for a second train going in our direction.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2092885]Personally I wouldn't go to Pattaya anyway if I was arriving at 9:45 pm. A taxi or train and BTS to Sukhumvit is much quicker and easier.[/QUOTE]I agree. Assuming a five day stay means the person does not have a lot of luggage to deal with, likely only a carry-on, taking the Airport Train right into the area of Bangkok's primary P4P districts of Nana Plaza, Sukhumvit Road, Soi Cowboy and Patpong is the fastest, cheapest and smartest way to go, imo. Stay that first night in that area of Bangkok. If arriving at 9:45 PM, one could be set up in a hotel and out among the night creatures by midnight or so.

Then if the guy wants to head to Pattaya the next day he will at least have had a taste of Bangkok and some comparison to it in mind when he gets to Pattaya. That being the case, he might not choose to stay in Pattaya more than a night or two. Personally, I wouldn't. Pattaya might have it over Bangkok in terms of densely packed quantity around Walking Street. But if better looking girls who know how and actually will deliver much better service and likely at a cheaper price is important to a monger, I wouldn't bother staying more than two nights out of five in Pattaya instead of Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2092885]
Personally I wouldn't go to Pattaya anyway if I was arriving at 9:45 pm. A taxi or train and BTS to Sukhumvit is much quicker and easier.[/QUOTE]Agree. Getting in at 9:45 pm will probablymean about 45 minutes getting through immigration, it can be a bit crowded then. I'd go into BKK and get a room on Suk. He would still be in a bar somewhere by 11:30 or so and could then go to Pattaya the following day and go from there straight to the airport to fly out if he has a late flight out. I flew in a few month ago around that time, traffic is light if you take a taxi but if only hand luggage then the train is fine.

Stay in Bangkok night one it's too late to go to Pattaya unless your main goal are places like iBar / Insomnia. Day 2 go to Pattaya. If you enjoy it stay in Pattaya. If not, go back to Bangkok. On first trip keep options open. Some guys on here are pro BKK and others are pro Pattaya. You decide which you prefer.

Hi guys,

I have checked the forum but I am having trouble working out what a "Pumpui girl" is? Is it a chubby?

If it is a stupid question I apologise.

Thanks Rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2093461]Hi guys,

I have checked the forum but I am having trouble working out what a "Pumpui girl" is? Is it a chubby?

If it is a stupid question I apologise.

Thanks Rob.[/QUOTE]Yes you have the correct meaning.

[QUOTE=Rob Jones;2093461]Hi guys,

I have checked the forum but I am having trouble working out what a "Pumpui girl" is? Is it a chubby?

If it is a stupid question I apologise.

Thanks Rob.[/QUOTE]
ปุ้มปุ้ย bpoom! bpui! It seems to be a more polite way of saying someone is (a little bit) fat or chubby, perhaps meaning puffy, pudgy, or plump, not quite to level of "fat" I guess. So I would not use this term for quite fat people. Just those a bit over weight. Otherwise it would be a gross understatement, I feel. You hear this expression a lot. Very popular. LOL The 2nd of the two words literally means "chubby cheeks" and the first word means rather round shaped. However used together the meaning has evolved.

There are actually a huge number of different expressions for fat or chubby in Thai Language, most heard less frequently or never heard. A very common one to hear is "phoong yai" (ph is not an F sound) meaning more specifically a large protruding belly (or maybe beer gut). "mee phoong" means "have an obvious belly".

"moo uan" means fat piggy (Uan or Ooan = fat). That is one I used to be called before I lost a lot of kilos. Fortunately the GF changed my nickname after that. So now I am just a bit "bpum bpui!" A bit too old for a six-pack. LOL

It's the King's anniversary today. Proper entertainment is not allowed. Will start up at midnight I guess.

Is a passport required to purchase a SIM card?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Bogiemaker;2094461]Is a passport required to purchase a SIM card?.[/QUOTE]The short answer is yes.

[QUOTE=Bogiemaker;2094461]Is a passport required to purchase a SIM card?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]It's possible some other major form of photo ID would be accepted but wise to take passport these days. In old days could get a SIM from 7 eleven with no ID. , but then all SIMs had to be registered properly or would be terminated by some deadline in the past.

The reason for the rule, is simply that Mobile phones are a mechanism to trigger bombs to explode, and are used for various other criminal activities.

Have anyone of you film / record video of your Thai girl having sex? I couldn't tell my girls to appear them on the video. I understand that nobody want to be seen especially in porn video including myself & it is illegal in Thailand to make porn videos. Even though I told them that my intention is only for my personal use because I could lose my job if the video are spread online. Every girls refused to do it no matter how much I tried. You might be aware of that there are many Thai porn sites like Asian street meat, creampie in Asia, creampie Thais, Asian suck dolls, Thai girls wild, etc. That they film the girls openly even with their face in the video. How did those guys do it? I was wondering how I can convince Thai girls to make them appear in my personal video? Any ideas guys? Looking forward for your suggestion.

[QUOTE=MetalHorn;2094913]Have anyone of you film / record video of your Thai girl having sex? I couldn't tell my girls to appear them on the video. I understand that nobody want to be seen especially in porn video including myself & it is illegal in Thailand to make porn videos. Even though I told them that my intention is only for my personal use because I could lose my job if the video are spread online. Every girls refused to do it no matter how much I tried. You might be aware of that there are many Thai porn sites like Asian street meat, creampie in Asia, creampie Thais, Asian suck dolls, Thai girls wild, etc. That they film the girls openly even with their face in the video. How did those guys do it? I was wondering how I can convince Thai girls to make them appear in my personal video? Any ideas guys? Looking forward for your suggestion.[/QUOTE]A couple of ideas.

1. Offer very large money.

2. Choose drug addicts that will do just about anything.

3. Buy masks for the girls to wear (as in Eyes Wide Shut movie) and cover any identifying marks. This technique worked for me in the past when taking still pics.

For sure most girls don't want their families to see them online doing porn.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2095013] I use a Japanese brand in a silver box with 003 written on the box with black letters. They are very thin as I can't cum with other brands. After putting on the condom, I tried to enter her but she stopped me. She started inspecting the condom from top to bottom. [/QUOTE]That would be Okamoto 003, also available with Aloe in the green box. I was using these for a while, as I had tried the Sagami Polyurethane ones and did not like them (non stretchy). Perhaps just did not fit me or I did not like the less smooth texture. Okamoto are rather narrow / small (intended for Japanese) so I found them a lot more difficult to get on (even though can be stretched) than what I was used to use (Durex 54 to 56 mm). Yet I persisted with struggle to get on every time as they felt better than Durex etc. I developed a better technique for getting them on more skilfully, stretching them as I go.

I recently tried One Touch 003 (available in most 7 Eleven. Not all). I think these are worth a try as they have more width and easier to get on then the Okamotos, but are still equally thin (supposedly). I have tried some other called Skyn recently but can't recommend those. The rubber is not thin enough.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2095155]That would be Okamoto 003, also available with Aloe in the green box. I was using these for a while, as I had tried the Sagami Polyurethane ones and did not like them (non stretchy). Perhaps just did not fit me or I did not like the less smooth texture. Okamoto are rather narrow / small (intended for Japanese) so I found them a lot more difficult to get on (even though can be stretched) than what I was used to use (Durex 54 to 56 mm). Yet I persisted with struggle to get on every time as they felt better than Durex etc. I developed a better technique for getting them on more skilfully, stretching them as I go.

I recently tried One Touch 003 (available in most 7 Eleven. Not all). I think these are worth a try as they have more width and easier to get on then the Okamotos, but are still equally thin (supposedly). I have tried some other called Skyn recently but can't recommend those. The rubber is not thin enough.[/QUOTE]Thanks. As you know, I hate these things but I keep a few boxes around and one in my pocket for times like the one I described. I'll give the other brand a try after I run out of these ones. Hopefully not too soon.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2095175]Thanks. As you know, I hate these things but I keep a few boxes around and one in my pocket for times like the one I described. I'll give the other brand a try after I run out of these ones. Hopefully not too soon.[/QUOTE]From your post, sounded like she was giving you an option with or without. IMHO, with is more prudent. A sloppy BBBJ helps a tight one slip on better. If the girl is not experienced, better to do yourself.

I have had problems on my last to Bali where on day normal erections on a regular basis, day 2 same again but on day 3, my last day, first encounter good but couldn't get erect for a second session no matter the coercing. By the way 3 different girls each day. Am I correct in thinking that Viagra will help beat this problem as I'm doing a 8 day trip to Thailand next and don't want to be limited to 1 orgasm each day. I have been prescribed the 50 MG sildenafil. Will one a day help with my problem and dose drinking really affect the pill anymore as it would if I was 20 years younger and got brewers droop?

Any and all comments welcome.

Thanks Rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2096355]I have had problems on my last to Bali where on day normal erections on a regular basis, day 2 same again but on day 3, my last day, first encounter good but couldn't get erect for a second session no matter the coercing. By the way 3 different girls each day. Am I correct in thinking that Viagra will help beat this problem as I'm doing a 8 day trip to Thailand next and don't want to be limited to 1 orgasm each day. I have been prescribed the 50 MG sildenafil. Will one a day help with my problem and dose drinking really affect the pill anymore as it would if I was 20 years younger and got brewers droop?

Any and all comments welcome.

Thanks Rob.[/QUOTE]You can get educated using an Internet Search. LOL.

So just a few points.

1. Yes Viagra or Sildenafil does help with duration of erections, and ease of obtaining and maintaining erections, especially when you are having too much sex, or there is difficulty or unfamiliarity with the girl. I never need with GF since she does not give me any where close to too much sex. LOL.

2. You will have to experiment to find the right dosage for you. It could be 25 MG. For a new user that is not used to it. It is powerful stuff. You can break a tablet into pieces. Try not to overdose, as could blow your head off, or have serious headaches, red flushed face at the minimum. LOL.

3. You can buy Sidegra (Thai generic Sildenafil) with no script for 200 Baht for pack of 4 tablets of 100 MG. (probably too powerful for most but can be split into fragments). Can get in gel form (messy if don't take the full dose). Kamagra is another Generic.

4. A Tablet does not last you all day. It starts working in as little as 15 minutes on empty stomach, perhaps 30 minutes (depends). Viagra half-life is 4 hours. That means at 4 hours after taking it is only 50% effective, after 8 hours 25% effective, etc. After 16 hours probably little noticeable effect unless overdosed in the first place. 3 fucks per day, you might need to take top-up fragments.

5. Apcalis (generic Tadalafil) is supposed to last much longer than Viagra, like 24 hours, but perhaps weaker effect, may work well for you. Worth a try.

6. Can buy these things at many small Pharmacies (not all) in Sukhumvit road and side Sois, not Boots, not Watsons, not KrungThep Pharmacies. If in doubt, Charoen Pharmacy near to Soi4 has a wide range of medications. Foodland Pharmacy is also possible.

7. These tablets help a dick to stay up (read internet for further details of mechanism) however you still need sexual stimulus or horniness at least. It is not a cure for Brewer's droop. If alcohol makes you dick lose sensitivity, then Viagra cannot restore the sensitivity to normal. For some guys reduced sensitivity is a big help to them too avoid popping far too quickly. So they may need the alcohol in addition to Viagra. Avoiding alcohol before sex can be a big help for many, assuming you don't need it to overcome shyness. I prefer to drink alcohol only after sex, so I can cum more easily.

I think I covered everything important, well except that Thai girls can be prettier than Balinese girls, I found that Balinese girls looked aged at just 25. Maybe too much sun. Maybe the face shape did not appeal. Javanese girls were vastly superior.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2096355]I have had problems on my last to Bali where on day normal erections on a regular basis, day 2 same again but on day 3, my last day, first encounter good but couldn't get erect for a second session no matter the coercing. By the way 3 different girls each day. Am I correct in thinking that Viagra will help beat this problem as I'm doing a 8 day trip to Thailand next and don't want to be limited to 1 orgasm each day. I have been prescribed the 50 MG sildenafil. Will one a day help with my problem and dose drinking really affect the pill anymore as it would if I was 20 years younger and got brewers droop?

Any and all comments welcome.

Thanks Rob.[/QUOTE]In addition to Syzygies info, you don't want to over do it by taking too much. According to the Internet, too much of a good thing will make it keep standing. (Maybe with a stiff upper lip.) Resulting in a painful ER trip, but not for ED.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2095144]A couple of ideas.

1. Offer very large money.

2. Choose drug addicts that will do just about anything.

3. Buy masks for the girls to wear (as in Eyes Wide Shut movie) and cover any identifying marks. This technique worked for me in the past when taking still pics.

For sure most girls don't want their families to see them online doing porn.[/QUOTE]So how about those Thai porn sites I mention? I wonder if they use these techniques?

[QUOTE=Bushes;2096906]In addition to Syzygies info, you don't want to over do it by taking too much. According to the Internet, too much of a good thing will make it keep standing. (Maybe with a stiff upper lip.) Resulting in a painful ER trip, but not for ED.[/QUOTE]Priaprism is a rare malfunction side effect, where erection refuses to subside.

I have seen guys taking a shower at a sex club and already having erections. This would be likely just excited and thinking about naked girls, so dosed up can get an erection extremely easily, especially for newbies to it. Makes it very obvious that the Viagra has been taken. First time I tried it, had erection while driving my car to meet the girl, just from thinking about her. You might not want to have an erection while on the BTS. LOL.

If girls know your normal erection, and you suddenly have a much faster erection for no good reason, they can be smart enough to accuse you of taking Viagra. I don't use it when with my GF at all, as she would detect something unusual, and ask why I did that. She does not want a marathon sex from me. She could have 6 orgasms in 30 minutes (being exceptionally sensitive), so more than enough for her. I only get one.

The restaurant I was in today said it is closing the 26th through 29th for King's cremation. Will a lot of restaurants be closed? I eat all my meals out. The 29th is a Sunday. Will everything be back to normal on Monday?

[QUOTE=Horatio;2097513]The restaurant I was in today said it is closing the 26th through 29th for King's cremation. Will a lot of restaurants be closed? I eat all my meals out. The 29th is a Sunday. Will everything be back to normal on Monday?[/QUOTE]I would expect everything to be closed on the 26th maybe 27th hopefully not more. Strongly recommend you have some food in the fridge. That's what I'm doing some pizza and fried chicken just in case.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2097513]The restaurant I was in today said it is closing the 26th through 29th for King's cremation. Will a lot of restaurants be closed? I eat all my meals out. The 29th is a Sunday. Will everything be back to normal on Monday?[/QUOTE]Most closures are only for 25 to 27, when alcohol sales will not be possible. Alcohol sales will stop midnight of the 24th. Most places will be back to normal on 28th. There is nothing to stop restaurants from opening but cannot sell alcohol.

My usual Sports Pub will be open for serving food (but no beers or other alcohol for the 3 days) as it has a restaurant license, not same as a bar license. So no big worry I think.

I hardly eat in restaurants myself (just sometimes). I buy street market food a lot, and also cook for myself to be better able to avoid sugar. Unfortunately Thais put a lot of sugar in almost everything, including savoury food.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2096775]You can get educated using an Internet Search. LOL.

So just a few points.

1. Yes Viagra or Sildenafil does help with duration of erections, and ease of obtaining and maintaining erections, especially when you are having too much sex, or there is difficulty or unfamiliarity with the girl. I never need with GF since she does not give me any where close to too much sex. LOL.

2. You will have to experiment to find the right dosage for you. It could be 25 MG. For a new user that is not used to it. It is powerful stuff. You can break a tablet into pieces. Try not to overdose, as could blow your head off, or have serious headaches, red flushed face at the minimum. LOL.

3. You can buy Sidegra (Thai generic Sildenafil) with no script for 200 Baht for pack of 4 tablets of 100 MG. (probably too powerful for most but can be split into fragments). Can get in gel form (messy if don't take the full dose). Kamagra is another Generic.

4. A Tablet does not last you all day. It starts working in as little as 15 minutes on empty stomach, perhaps 30 minutes (depends). Viagra half-life is 4 hours. That means at 4 hours after taking it is only 50% effective, after 8 hours 25% effective, etc. After 16 hours probably little noticeable effect unless overdosed in the first place. 3 fucks per day, you might need to take top-up fragments.

5. Apcalis (generic Tadalafil) is supposed to last much longer than Viagra, like 24 hours, but perhaps weaker effect, may work well for you. Worth a try.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the answer. I did look at web sites but nothing is better then actual real life experiences. I actually did a road-test yesterday and found that 1 tab was sufficient for about 12 hours having sex 4 times and 2 after about 6 beers and the final 1 with the wife that usually after 1 encounter before having sex with her my the! Ck just isn't interested. A bit of flushing after about 20 minutes but didn't notice any red blushing. I usually find that when I meet new partners I don't need help to get aroused but it is with repeats that cause my problems. I am visiting Thailand for 8 days so I will have at least 8 tabs with me so I won't have to buy local non prescribed pills.

I agree with you regarding the Balinese girls I usually end up with the Javanese ones due to their looks but also when you get one ready to go it is great sex, could be due to the strict muslim upbringing. Actually around Kuta I have almost travelled around Indonesia sexwise due the cultural mix you get there having met Batak from Sumatra to a Rajah Island girl.

As always thanks for your reply.

Rob.

[QUOTE=MetalHorn;2096907]So how about those Thai porn sites I mention? I wonder if they use these techniques?[/QUOTE]Logic tells me point number one! I have seen the sites and there are no mask. Always bare back sex so I would imagine that full on addicts would be vetted due to OH&S requirements LOL.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2097696]Thanks for the answer. I did look at web sites but nothing is better then actual real life experiences. I actually did a road-test yesterday and found that 1 tab was sufficient for about 12 hours having sex 4 times and 2 after about 6 beers and the final 1 with the wife that usually after 1 encounter before having sex with her my the! Ck just isn't interested. A bit of flushing after about 20 minutes but didn't notice any red blushing. I usually find that when I meet new partners I don't need help to get aroused but it is with repeats that cause my problems. I am visiting Thailand for 8 days so I will have at least 8 tabs with me so I won't have to buy local non prescribed pills.
[/QUOTE]If one tab was still working for you after 12 hours, that indicates that you actually needed much less than one tab for a single encounter. One quarter of a tab would do, this is assuming that you are talking about Viagra (Sildenafil). Normal users would have take a fragment multiple times, so effect would be more even over time. If was Apcalis then is supposed to work much longer than 12 hours.

I am quite the reverse of you. I don't have problem with repeat girls, since I would not be repeating them if I was not horny for them. They all have good bodies, are sexy, and very easy to fuck. If they were ugly, would be a different story. They don't make difficulties. My Mrs is hot to look at (but a bit conservative) so never knock back a chance with her, wish it was a little more often. She is no porn star but never bores me. Multi-orgasmic, so she knows how to get into it. Recently she gave me three in 4 days, so I was extremely happy with that.

Beware if you are too hard for too long with the wife, she might notice something is strange, if you secretly took the tablet.

With new girls, some of them are very reticent, scared of dick, stiff legged, don't know how to move, start asking you cum before 5 minutes are up, bad BJ, don't want to kiss, etc. These are the girls that could make my dick flag rapidly. DFK is the best way for my dick to go up quickly. Works better than a BJ for me. I have seen far too many girls with hot bodies, for her naked body to be enough on its own. Fingers in pussy tends to get me hard too. All my regulars allow that. So regulars are giving me: DFK, Digits, DATY, BBBJ of gentle type (even if sometimes short duration with some girls), light balls massage, relaxed legs, etc. With a new girl, you could be missing many of these important aspects.

As I said, I have never needed any booster with regular GF. That is BB so helps and the pussy is perfect fit from my point of view. She would prefer if the fit was a bit looser. She is tight (perfect for me) despite having a child.

I must admit that sex with Farang ex-wife many years ago was much more boring. I don't recall the Viagra existing in those days, like 30 years ago. I remember one of my early Thai girls about 26 years ago, noticing how my dick would tend to flag during putting on the condom, so she gave me BBFS to avoid these problems (in the pre Viagra days). That was a nice bonus. Probably also before HIV was generally known. One of her hooker colleagues who would be close to 50 now, who was a hooker for many many years, very pretty, and doing mostly Thai customers (probably all BB) is HIV positive in the modern day. I never had that particular girl. Sadly, any girl doing BB for enough years with enough suspect customers, has a good chance of being HIV+ eventually. It may have been long odds, but not if you roll the dice just too many times. New cases of HIV are declining though according to stats for Thailand. So it was a lot more risky 10 to 20 years ago.

The 7/11 here is closing at 230 in the afternoon until midnight on Thursday.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2097825]The 7/11 here is closing at 230 in the afternoon until midnight on Thursday.[/QUOTE]I stocked up my refrigerator today, only milk needed tomorrow. My girls can come to me no worries.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2097801]If one tab was still working for you after 12 hours, that indicates that you actually needed much less than one tab for a single encounter. One quarter of a tab would do, this is assuming that you are talking about Viagra (Sildenafil). Normal users would have take a fragment multiple times, so effect would be more even over time. If was Apcalis then is supposed to work much longer than 12 hours.

I am quite the reverse of you. I don't have problem with repeat girls, since I would not be repeating them if I was not horny for them. They all have good bodies, are sexy, and very easy to fuck. If they were ugly, would be a different story. They don't make difficulties. My Mrs is hot to look at (but a bit conservative) so never knock back a chance with her, wish it was a little more often. She is no porn star but never bores me. Multi-orgasmic, so she knows how to get into it. Recently she gave me three in 4 days, so I was extremely happy with that.

Beware if you are too hard for too long with the wife, she might notice something is strange, if you secretly took the tablet..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback.

I was worried about the low dosage, 50 MG, but now I'm happy with the result. I think by breaking the tab up is the best way to go and get up to 18 hours effect which is what I want as I want as much bang for my buck, pun intended, as I will only be in Pattaya for 5 nights and intend on pounding as much pussy as possible with a goal of 18 (from my business life I need goals and KPIs LOL). Its funny how everyone is different as I do get bored quickly with my playmates and cumming twice is the norm for me and after that it doesn't matter there age, looks or performance that's it. My missus is Javanese and still holds her looks for mid 40's but these days is too tired or not interested as much as she used to be so the 1 to 2 times a week is good but never enough. She didn't notice the difference and expected to cum as she is thinking my last orgasm was with her last week and as stated I don't need the help normally only during marathon events as I have planned this one to be.

I forget the last time I had sex with a western woman as they do nothing for me. Occasionally I will have unprotected sex but only with girls who I think are not professional but the older I get the more prone I am to cover up more often then not because I don't need the hassle of even an easy to treat STD and condoms don't faze me during sex.

Thanks again,

Rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2098004]I was worried about the low dosage, 50 MG, but now I'm happy with the result. I think by breaking the tab up is the best way to go and get up to 18 hours effect which is what I want as I want as much bang for my buck, pun intended, as I will only be in Pattaya for 5 nights and intend on pounding as much pussy as possible with a goal of 18 [/QUOTE]If you need the effects to last for more than 4 h or so, better look into Cialis (or Tadalafil generics), rather tan Viagra. It tends to last for 24-48 h, albeit with weaker effect, but not as much side effects wither.

Viagra has a half-life of about 4 h, and if you take too much, you [I]will[/I] experience side effects (headache, flushing etc), which are not all that fun. Moreover, ED medicines don't improve your desire, only blood flow, so you'll probably crash after a while (surely after 4 women in a day, unless your libido is exceptional).

When you're in a pussy-desert like the USA, it seems like you want to cram as much as possible into the time you have. In reality it's better to pace yourself. Two decent leisurely sessions per day are much better than rushing to stuff it into 7 holes before the sun goes up, and wondering when you'll finish because you're spaced out and sure want to (and the girl wants to be done with the nonsense even more, not a turn on), but your Viagra-fueled dick has other plans.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2098035]If you need the effects to last for more than 4 h or so, better look into Cialis (or Tadalafil generics), rather tan Viagra. It tends to last for 24-48 h, albeit with weaker effect, but not as much side effects wither.

Viagra has a half-life of about 4 h, and if you take too much, you [I]will[/I] experience side effects (headache, flushing etc), which are not all that fun. Moreover, ED medicines don't improve your desire, only blood flow, so you'll probably crash after a while (surely after 4 women in a day, unless your libido is exceptional).

When you're in a pussy-desert like the USA, it seems like you want to cram as much as possible into the time you have. In reality it's better to pace yourself. Two decent leisurely sessions per day are much better than rushing to stuff it into 7 holes before the sun goes up, and wondering when you'll finish because you're spaced out and sure want to (and the girl wants to be done with the nonsense even more, not a turn on), but your Viagra-fueled dick has other plans.[/QUOTE]Yes Cialis effect is much weaker and perhaps the single tablet is a low dose. In fact Cialis is so weak in effect that I don't notice much difference from taking nothing. So it would not be working at all for me if I was on my 4th girl for the day. LOL. Even a quarter of a Sildenafil (at about 25mg per quarter) seems much stronger to me than a Cialis (Tadalafil). i.e. the effect is quite noticeable.

Rob still seems to need to get used to the idea of the half life of Sildenafil and potentially taking quite small top up doses after 4 hours to be right for the next girl. Otherwise be on a very inconsistent dosage. 50 MG may still be too much for his initial dose.

I agree with your last point, in fact at my age I mostly am down to a single fuck in a day (some days no fuck), or sometimes at night and again in the morning, for my all night girl. With good availability of pussy, it does not seem necessary to cram too many girls into the one day any more (and actually have some other things to do in my day), and I don't bother with threesomes and 4-somes that I used to do just a few years ago. Multiple changes of condoms would definitely need a good Viagra dose to help me keep it up. If I could get bareback threesomes, I might be right back into it. LOL Still, two girl BBBJs are nice. Recently in Shark the 3 ex-Suzi Wong girls were offering me a 4 some like in old times. LOL That would certainly be costly with paying 3 girls, 3 BFs, and 3 lots of drinks. Upwards of 10 K so no thanks for me. I have probably done that fantasy well and truly a few years earlier.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2098075]Yes Cialis effect is much weaker and perhaps the single tablet is a low dose. In fact Cialis is so weak in effect that I don't notice much difference from taking nothing. So it would not be working at all for me if I was on my 4th girl for the day. LOL. Even a quarter of a Sildenafil (at about 25mg per quarter) seems much stronger to me than a Cialis (Tadalafil). i.e. the effect is quite noticeable.

Rob still seems to need to get used to the idea of the half life of Sildenafil and potentially taking quite small top up doses after 4 hours to be right for the next girl. Otherwise be on a very inconsistent dosage. 50 MG may still be too much for his initial dose.

I agree with your last point, in fact at my age I mostly am down to a single fuck in a day (some days no fuck), or sometimes at night and again in the morning, for my all night girl. With good availability of pussy, it does not seem necessary to cram too many girls into the one day any more (and actually have some other things to do in my day), and I don't bother with threesomes and 4-somes that I used to do just a few years ago. Multiple changes of condoms would definitely need a good Viagra dose to help me keep it up. If I could get bareback threesomes, I might be right back into it. LOL Still, two girl BBBJs are nice. Recently in Shark the 3 ex-Suzi Wong girls were offering me a 4 some like in old times. LOL That would certainly be costly with paying 3 girls, 3 BFs, and 3 lots of drinks. Upwards of 10 K so no thanks for me. I have probably done that fantasy well and truly a few years earlier.[/QUOTE]I have been on a testosterone regiment for over 4 years and my levels are around 1000. The clinic tests us every 6 months along with our prostrate health. I can really tell the difference. I have the desire of a 25 year old guy. Horny as hell. Hitting up the ladies every chance I get. But I agree that I, like you am satisfied with sex in the morning and again at night or late afternoon.

I also still take the prescription from the clinic which is half Yohimbe mixed with Vardenifil, in the form of a sublingual touch. Works great and has no side effects. I have experienced it lasting 6 to 12 hours. Depends how hot the lady is and how exciding the event is progressing. But it works well. Be advised that this is not a cheap avenue to go down. Each T shot is around $30.00, and each touch is $14.00. Shots are self administered in the leg once every 10 days. But I am 71 and very fit and strong. No fat belly and I am very active. Last time I was in Bkk I averaged 12,000 to 17,000 steps a day walking around Bkk.

My suggestion to all that are around 64 is to find a good doctor and start a program. You will be very pleased at the results. And as far as you doubting Thomas out there, hell your going to die from something, so it might as well be in the arms on a young Thai lady.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2098088]I have been on a testosterone regiment for over 4 years and my levels are around 1000. The clinic tests us every 6 months along with our prostrate health. I can really tell the difference. I have the desire of a 25 year old guy. Horny as hell. Hitting up the ladies every chance I get. But I agree that I, like you am satisfied with sex in the morning and again at night or late afternoon.

I also still take the prescription from the clinic which is half Yohimbe mixed with Vardenifil, in the form of a sublingual touch. Works great and has no side effects. I have experienced it lasting 6 to 12 hours. Depends how hot the lady is and how exciding the event is progressing. But it works well. Be advised that this is not a cheap avenue to go down. Each T shot is around $30.00, and each touch is $14.00. Shots are self administered in the leg once every 10 days. But I am 71 and very fit and strong. No fat belly and I am very active. Last time I was in Bkk I averaged 12,000 to 17,000 steps a day walking around Bkk.

My suggestion to all that are around 64 is to find a good doctor and start a program. You will be very pleased at the results. And as far as you doubting Thomas out there, hell your going to die from something, so it might as well be in the arms on a young Thai lady.

RL.[/QUOTE]I don't understand what is costing you $14.

For me the biggest advantage of Viagra over Cialis is the shorter delay time before it works. With me, Viagra takes about 30 minutes to work on an empty stomach, longer if I have eaten recently. Cialis takes 3 or 4 hours before it is effective.

For me, Viagra lasts about 24 hours. Cialis lasts about 72 hours.

[QUOTE=Bogiemaker;2094461]Is a passport required to purchase a SIM card?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I bought one two weeks ago and had to show my actual passport. A copy I carried with me was not sufficient.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2098108]For me the biggest advantage of Viagra over Cialis is the shorter delay time before it works. With me, Viagra takes about 30 minutes to work on an empty stomach, longer if I have eaten recently. Cialis takes 3 or 4 hours before it is effective.

For me, Viagra lasts about 24 hours. Cialis lasts about 72 hours.[/QUOTE]All this flies in the face of Science that gives completely different numbers.

Since half life of Viagra (scientifically tested) is approx. 4 hours on average (50% effective at 4 hours) then at 8 hours will be 25% effective and at 16 hours will be 12.5% effective and at 24 hours will be just under 9% effective. Some web sites claim it will be completely out of your system by 20 hours. That I am a bit sceptical about. Mosts sites say that Viagra is effective up to 5 hours, but it does clearly depend on whether the user overdosed in the first place. I am sure half life can vary a bit but I doubt that Viagra is intended to be effective for many hours over the 4 hour mark.
Older persons (> 65) may have a slower metabolic rate which could slow down the action of the pill in first place and make it last longer in the body as well.
I have seen reports of extended effectiveness of 8 to 12 hours for some men (but 24 hours may be stretching that a bit):
[url]https://www.livestrong.com/article/15626-long-does-viagra-last/[/url]

If the user is a person that pops very quickly then all bets are off. We normally talk about the ability of Viagra to help an erection last for a considerable time. In my case takes me a very long time to pop normally.
With GF there is no requirement from her to have me last past 30 mins, in fact she is generally done at that point so a Viagra boost is not going to be worthwhile. If I want to fuck for 2 hours, then Viagra is definitely going to help, however girls tend to anti that. LOL

So if your Viagra is still working at 24 hours, then it really means you took at massive overdose at some point, probably from the start.
A single tablet at 100 MG is indeed a large overdose for most people. I always say to people to start with 25 MG. And see if that already works more than adequately.

My first try of a low amount was very good for me (too long ago to remember exactly), giving me a hard on just from thinking about the girl, that I was driving the car to meet for sex.
That never happened before. LOL.

Similar logic applies to the Cialis in terms of calculating a good suitable dose. It has a longer half life (supposed to be 17.5 hours on average).

I am sure the science says it starts to work long before 3 to 4 hours, if it is going to work at all.

Viagra starts working for me at maybe 20 minutes, sometimes less. I can feel the face starting to flush well before 30 minutes on empty stomach so I know already, at that time. It is high powered stuff.

Maybe not being too fat helps, or having a good low Carbs diet, I don't know.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2098088]I also still take the prescription from the clinic which is half Yohimbe mixed with Vardenifil, in the form of a sublingual touch. [/QUOTE]I understand that under the tongue method helps medications to act faster than going via the stomach.

So I understand sublingual but why do you call it a "touch"? I asked the internet what is a "sublingual touch" and it did not seem to recognise this phrase very well.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2098088]I have been on a testosterone regiment for over 4 years and my levels are around 1000. The clinic tests us every 6 months along with our prostrate health. I can really tell the difference. I have the desire of a 25 year old guy. Horny as hell. Hitting up the ladies every chance I get. But I agree that I, like you am satisfied with sex in the morning and again at night or late afternoon.

RL.[/QUOTE]Does Testosterone boost cause you to go bald faster? I ask because I still have fairly good hair but definitely a very thin patch (age pattern semi-baldness) in the skull cap region. I don't think you mentioned the frequency of the $30 shot.

I once had Doctor suggest to me Propecia to slow down my hair loss, then I read on internet that it could stuff up my sex life, so no thanks very much!

I guess I should get my testosterone levels checked, since I have been feeling far less horny just lately. LOL I used to need sex daily. I have no clue what is my level. Maybe I am better of with reduced desire so I can feel less like a sex addict and not have my day in Thailand dominated by lust.

I forget who reported this for their local Seven store. My local has the same thing so I guess it may be the norm.

My 7 Eleven store will be closed from 2 pm to midnight just the one day tomorrow 26th Oct.

I stocked up on milk already.

So too bad if in desperate need of a Magnum.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2098186]
My 7 Eleven store will be closed from 2 pm to midnight just the one day tomorrow 26th Oct.
[/QUOTE]Other closures mentioned here, along with public transport info.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1348331/closed-for-the-day[/URL]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2098186]I forget who reported this for their local Seven store. My local has the same thing so I guess it may be the norm.

My 7 Eleven store will be closed from 2 pm to midnight just the one day tomorrow 26th Oct.

I stocked up on milk already.

So too bad if in desperate need of a Magnum.[/QUOTE]My local "MaxValue" will close from 3 PM (26th Oct) also. I see a significant percentage of food stalls are closed today, but not all.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2098176]I understand that under the tongue method helps medications to act faster than going via the stomach.

So I understand sublingual but why do you call it a "touch"? I asked the internet what is a "sublingual touch" and it did not seem to recognise this phrase very well.[/QUOTE]Late night here and the hands sometimes have a mind of there own. It is a "Troche" , a dissolving soft square tablet. And since I have male pattern baldness I can attest that you can't stop the loss of hair. I have found that since I have been on the regiment that I have grown a lot of hair on my back. But have no fear, I have never been rejected for being bald and Ladies have never complained about the hair on my back. In fact I have had compliments from Thai ladies that I am a strong man, and Chinese massage ladies in Honolulu say that back hair means a strong man and good sex.

Leaving Honolulu for Bkk tonight. Be there until Nov 5th.

RL.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2098103]I don't understand what is costing you $14.[/QUOTE]The Troche is around $14.00 each. I have had negative results and bad hangovers from Viagra. I do not like the sight or eye problems and the flash feeling that comes with it.

It.

RL.

Any recommendations on where in the Suk area that I can get my hair colored and get a good manicure and pedi? I am going to try Eih Tooms suggestion on getting my hair darkened and see if it make a difference.

I know there are a lot of salons around but it's always better to get a referral.

Thanks.

RL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2098182]Does Testosterone boost cause you to go bald faster? I ask because I still have fairly good hair but definitely a very thin patch (age pattern semi-baldness) in the skull cap region. I don't think you mentioned the frequency of the $30 shot.

I once had Doctor suggest to me Propecia to slow down my hair loss, then I read on internet that it could stuff up my sex life, so no thanks very much!

I guess I should get my testosterone levels checked, since I have been feeling far less horny just lately. LOL I used to need sex daily. I have no clue what is my level. Maybe I am better of with reduced desire so I can feel less like a sex addict and not have my day in Thailand dominated by lust.[/QUOTE]My testosterone levels tend to bounce around, seemingly dependent on such things as how much I exercised recently, etc. Sometimes the readings are on the low side of the reference levels (or occasionally lower), other times not. I did try the testosterone shots a couple of times and they did increase my sex drive a bit and even improved my sleep a bit.

However, I stopped taking them when I found out they increase one's risk of developing blood clots. Given I have an increased risk (according to a general genetic test I took) I don't want to increase it.

Another thing is it is "replacement" therapy, not testosterone supplement therapy. Taking testosterone shots will result in your body stopping its manufacturing of testosterone, and can result in shrinkage of the testicles, etc. I don't know whether this is completely reversed if one elects to stop the therapy, but even if it is, the whole process makes me a bit nervous. So as much as the notion of an easy way to increase one's sex drive is attractive, I'm not comfortable with testosterone replacement therapy.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;2098336]My testosterone levels tend to bounce around, seemingly dependent on such things as how much I exercised recently, etc. Sometimes the readings are on the low side of the reference levels (or occasionally lower), other times not. I did try the testosterone shots a couple of times and they did increase my sex drive a bit and even improved my sleep a bit.

However, I stopped taking them when I found out they increase one's risk of developing blood clots. Given I have an increased risk (according to a general genetic test I took) I don't want to increase it.

Another thing is it is "replacement" therapy, not testosterone supplement therapy. Taking testosterone shots will result in your body stopping its manufacturing of testosterone, and can result in shrinkage of the testicles, etc. I don't know whether this is completely reversed if one elects to stop the therapy, but even if it is, the whole process makes me a bit nervous. So as much as the notion of an easy way to increase one's sex drive is attractive, I'm not comfortable with testosterone replacement therapy.[/QUOTE]My T levels dropped very low so I started Testosterone therapy and for the first 3 months your unbelievably horny just like when your 18. Then that goes down. Wish I'd known about thailand then cause I had to get a lot of extra services. As far as blood clots they test for the red blood count and keep it below a certian level your ok, of course the press neglects to mention this. Anyhow, I'd definitely get your levels checked no harm in that. I was very surprised at how low mine were.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2098327]Late night here and the hands sometimes have a mind of there own. It is a "Troche" , a dissolving soft square tablet. And since I have male pattern baldness I can attest that you can't stop the loss of hair. I have found that since I have been on the regiment that I have grown a lot of hair on my back. But have no fear, I have never been rejected for being bald and Ladies have never complained about the hair on my back. In fact I have had compliments from Thai ladies that I am a strong man, and Chinese massage ladies in Honolulu say that back hair means a strong man and good sex.

Leaving Honolulu for Bkk tonight. Be there until Nov 5th.

RL.[/QUOTE]So are you saying taking the hormones made no difference to the hair loss, or it got worse?

No being a very hairy person I would no want back hair at all. I am just not used to it. LOL.

I think the ladies appreciate skill more than being strong and macho, however I know some girls are into muscles and six-packs (but I am a little too old for that). I happy just to avoid being called "fat piggy" since I went onto low carbs diet a few years ago.

After reading the other reports, I will just get my testosterone levels checked for curiosity. I don't really want to be too horny all the time. I was like that before. No sex yesterday. No big deal. Got a nice one the day before.

I still want sex a lot more than my GF, so don't need any boost just yet.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2098351]As far as blood clots they test for the red blood count and keep it below a certian level your ok, of course the press neglects to mention this. Anyhow, I'd definitely get your levels checked no harm in that. [/QUOTE]This is just wrong.

Red cell count has minimal to no effect on the blood's readiness and ability to clot. Proteins in the blood plasma and platelets are responsible for blood coagulation (clotting).

If someone is testing your red cell count and telling you it gives them an indication of your blood clotting ability then they are having you on. How are they going to reduce your red cell count and keep it below a certain level? Open a vein perhaps.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2098351]As far as blood clots they test for the red blood count and keep it below a certian level your ok, of course the press neglects to mention this. Anyhow, I'd definitely get your levels checked no harm in that. I was very surprised at how low mine were.[/QUOTE]Gosh! Its time you went to a real doctor or healthcare professional.

Even Wikipedia has a better description.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coagulation[/URL]

[QUOTE=EdSetra;2098524]This is just wrong.

Red cell count has minimal to no effect on the blood's readiness and ability to clot. Proteins in the blood plasma and platelets are responsible for blood coagulation (clotting).

If someone is testing your red cell count and telling you it gives them an indication of your blood clotting ability then they are having you on. How are they going to reduce your red cell count and keep it below a certain level? Open a vein perhaps.[/QUOTE]Read this: [URL]http://www.defymedical.com/resources/health-articles/308-how-to-manage-polycythemia-caused-by-testosterone-replacement-therapy[/URL] and they control it with a drug called Anastrozole read the part about for men not women. Here's a couple of paragraphs and this is my doctor.

Polycythemia is an excessive production of red blood cells. With polycythemia the blood becomes very viscous or "sticky," making it harder for the heart to pump. High blood pressure, strokes and heart attacks can occur.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2098643]Read this: [URL]http://www.defymedical.com/resources/health-articles/308-how-to-manage-polycythemia-caused-by-testosterone-replacement-therapy[/URL] and they control it with a drug called Anastrozole read the part about for men not women. Here's a couple of paragraphs and this is my doctor.

Polycythemia is an excessive production of red blood cells. With polycythemia the blood becomes very viscous or "sticky," making it harder for the heart to pump. High blood pressure, strokes and heart attacks can occur.[/QUOTE]From what I understand Anastrozole is the female hormone that keeps the Testosterone mellow. During the first 2 years we had to take a small dosage of the Anastrozole a day after the shot. Then they found a way to include it in the shot like a compound that works together.

I had a friend that was on the regiment and his red blood count rose higher and the clinic had him stop taking the shots and off the program. I guess this is a side effect that can happen on the drug. I have not heard of any other side effects, and there are a lot of men in Honolulu on this program.

Just arrived Bkk and resting for the evening activities.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2098836]From what I understand Anastrozole is the female hormone that keeps the Testosterone mellow. During the first 2 years we had to take a small dosage of the Anastrozole a day after the shot. Then they found a way to include it in the shot like a compound that works together.

I had a friend that was on the regiment and his red blood count rose higher and the clinic had him stop taking the shots and off the program. I guess this is a side effect that can happen on the drug. I have not heard of any other side effects, and there are a lot of men in Honolulu on this program.

Just arrived Bkk and resting for the evening activities.

RL.[/QUOTE]Anastrozole inhibits testosterone from converting to estradiol or estrogen. I had same experience wasn't working gave some blood at red cross took care of it later they made a small increase in dosage and that did the trick. As my etradiol level was too high.

I would like to be transported, not to the future to spend my retirement, but back to Thailand of 1983, the time of my first visit, with no internet and no mobile phones of course, and no Nudie bars to my knowledge. Not sure about Pat Pong. I think I was aware of lady boys though on beach in Phuket I believe. My current GF would be a very small skinny child at the time.

Does anyone know what is the VOA fee as of now? Up till now it was 1000 THB. Last year it was increased to 2000 but shortly it was again reduced to 1000. The Thai website had a circular saying that the reduction in fee was upto 31st. August 2017. Wonder if it is still 1000 or increased.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2100129]I would like to be transported, not to the future to spend my retirement, but back to Thailand of 1983, the time of my first visit, with no internet and no mobile phones of course, and no Nudie bars to my knowledge. Not sure about Pat Pong. I think I was aware of lady boys though on beach in Phuket I believe. My current GF would be a very small skinny child at the time.[/QUOTE]If I went back to 1983, my current GF wouldn't be born yet for another 14 years.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2101640]If I went back to 1983, my current GF wouldn't be born yet for another 14 years.[/QUOTE]Well yes, I am a bit too old to be having a 20 YO GF. I am using the divide by 2 and add 7 years to get the ideal age.

This makes my GF almost the perfect age for me now, and not surprisingly we are becoming more suited than we were 10 years ago. We start to understand each other and be very tolerant of each other's weaknesses. Mind you she was awfully pretty 10 years back (in her late 20's). Face had to go downhill just a little.

Time changes things unfortunately and girls we used to like many years ago, sometimes don't appeal any more. 1991 I became very keen on a Soapy girl from the Thermae Soapy. 20 years later she split from her USA husband and I met her again. Then overweight and the attraction was not the same. Originally she help teach me colloquial Thai and taught me DATY expertise. 20 years later she thought I was greatly improved. She had gone downhill. Kept saying the same things over and over, record was stuck. No not so good looking 20 years on.

Another girl I met as a Gik OS for many years eventually deteriorated too much in looks for me to be interested. Is probably close to 50 now.

A few years back I used to do a Sheba girl, very slim with a great ass, regularly. She was a bit wild LOL. Smoked, too much alcohol, gambler, did drugs (Ice), too loud, etc. No responsibility at all. After a condom accident I had to force her to take the morning after pill. Maybe a year later she disappeared from Suzi Wong for a while. I rang her and guessed correct she was pregnant presumably to some Thai boy I thought, but who knows. Fortunately timing made it impossible for me to be the culprit. Finally she returned to Suzie Wong.

Now her fabulous ass was gone. Her pussy no longer suited my dick. Don't know what the doctor did, but her inner lips were now taunt stretched unnaturally. I did not like it. I had a different regular girl in Suzie W at that time. Now a few years later she turns up to work in Shark. I just happened to be there on her first night. She seemed to expect our relationship from years ago to be back to normal. LOL Then she got drunk and started biting like a Monkey. In fact she went more crazy than she had ever been before. She could not understand what had happened to us, since "she loved me so much" (LOL at least when drunk). Apparently I had helped her somehow when she had the baby. I could not remember the details at all. Maybe I sent her some money, based on so many sex parties we had had in the past (often threesomes). No clue. In the recent meeting she did not seem to comprehend that she was just a fun party girl to me in the past, and no one wanted a girl with all her wild traits to be a girlfriend. Other Shark girls tell me she did not come back after that one night. No clue what happened to her. The moral is clear though. Young Thai hookers need to be sensible and make some savings, not party all the time, and above all, take the pill and not get pregnant. Consider what they will do in the future. She claims to have no Thai BF.

One of my current bargirls is still very young, but does not seem to work enough to get any money for the future. I wonder what will happen to her. She does not seem to be looking for a BF at all. Now she has assets of a pretty face and very nice white sleek body. What happens when they are gone?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2101693]Young Thai hookers need to be sensible and make some savings, not party all the time, and above all, take the pill and not get pregnant. [/QUOTE]This wins the internet for me today!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2101693]Well yes, I am a bit too old to be having a 20 YO GF. I am using the divide by 2 and add 7 years to get the ideal age.
[/QUOTE]I use the divide by four and add four years rule. Problem solved!

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;2101743]I use the divide by four and add four years rule. Problem solved![/QUOTE]I assume your refer to choosing a girl just to fuck, and that you are well over 50 then, otherwise I detect a problem.

Rupert Murdoch was a little more sensible, only 25 years younger for Jerry Hall (I share her birthday).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2101924]I assume your refer to choosing a girl just to fuck, and that you are well over 50 then, otherwise I detect a problem.

Rupert Murdoch was a little more sensible, only 25 years younger for Jerry Hall (I share her birthday).[/QUOTE]I was basically joking about the use of any such precise rule, which I find kind of funny, but yes and yes.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;2101934]I was basically joking about the use of any such precise rule, which I find kind of funny, but yes and yes.[/QUOTE]Although a bit of a joke, the divide by 2 and add 7 seems to actually work out in reality to be close to the right mark.

The first Thai girl I fell for was only 2 years younger so clearly was too old for me. She ended up with am older guy.
So when I was 35, taking a girlfriend around 24 was about right. I actually had a couple of GFs too old at that time (according to the rule) that did not last.
When I was 44, taking a girlfriend of about 29 seemed right.

My last GF was taken too young, but has become about right now. It is very clear that as we get older, we are happier to take a progressively larger age gap.
There is no way I could take a girl of the same age as me now. I think the oldest girl I ever fucked was probably only 45 or so, and first did her when she was less than 25.

Perhaps my GF will be still very doable at 50. Hope she doesn't let herself go to fat.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2101940]Perhaps my GF will be still very doable at 50. Hope she doesn't let herself go to fat.[/QUOTE]I wish you well, but perhaps that might be the day to take a new GF.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2101990]I wish you well, but perhaps that might be the day to take a new GF.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I can understand the logic of remaining with a 50 year old woman in the USA or other westernized countries, but not in Thailand.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;2101743]I use the divide by four and add four years rule. Problem solved![/QUOTE]Hey, that is how it is for me and my current #1 gf; I am 64 and she is 20.

And she is a head turner, too. Face, body, skin, hair, all model quality features. No kid and no desire or drive to have one. Good thing since she knows I got a vasectomy many years ago. Tallish, slim, smooth, firm and healthy. No joke.

Met her on ThaiCupid, where her stated desired age range to connect with a man was 20-35. But for whatever reason she made an exception and clicked Interested on my profile anyway.

Of course, almost all of these Thai girls need money. But this girl is one of the most non P4P girls I have met here. Works hard and supports herself sufficiently as a barrista in a coffee and pastry shop. Comes over to spend the night with me at least 3 times per week. Would come over more than that if I let her. I do slip a 500 baht note into her hip pocket every 3-4 visits supposedly to cover transportation to and from my place, which she accepts without comment other than a hug, kiss and thank you. Well, I did notice her pining over the new Samsung Note 8 so I picked one up for her a couple of weeks ago. Told her it was an early Christmas gift. Hehe. Meanwhile, she has been great in the bed before and since.

Also, she is a quick-witted and funny girl, always coming up with cute comic antics. Was obviously the key jokester among her high school girlfriend classmates, some of whom I have met.

Yeah, I am bragging on her and on myself, too. Got to tell somebody and this topic offered a reasonable excuse. LOL. Don't know how long it will last. It was very unexpected and, yep, I have kept a cautious eye open for the surprise trap door over the past few months. So far, so good though.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2102183]Hey, that is how it is for me and my current #1 gf; I am 64 and she is 20.

And she is a head turner, too. Face, body, skin, hair, all model quality features. No kid and no desire or drive to have one. Good thing since she knows I got a vasectomy many years ago. Tallish, slim, smooth, firm and healthy. No joke.
[/QUOTE]Congratulations! You are one lucky dog. Keep on rocking for the rest of us who can't.

I had something similar. So I decided the girl was either extremely calculating or was too stupid. In either case, I started a regular contribution to keep whichever illusion it was alive. It costs me way less than a session of performances at the MET but way more enjoyable.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2102183]Hey, that is how it is for me and my current #1 gf; I am 64 and she is 20.

And she is a head turner, too. Face, body, skin, hair, all model quality features. No kid and no desire or drive to have one. Good thing since she knows I got a vasectomy many years ago. Tallish, slim, smooth, firm and healthy. No joke.

Met her on ThaiCupid, where her stated desired age range to connect with a man was 20-35. But for whatever reason she made an exception and clicked Interested on my profile anyway.

Of course, almost all of these Thai girls need money. But this girl is one of the most non P4P girls I have met here. Works hard and supports herself sufficiently as a barrista in a coffee and pastry shop. Comes over to spend the night with me at least 3 times per week. Would come over more than that if I let her. I do slip a 500 baht note into her hip pocket every 3-4 visits supposedly to cover transportation to and from my place, which she accepts without comment other than a hug, kiss and thank you. Well, I did notice her pining over the new Samsung Note 8 so I picked one up for her a couple of weeks ago..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2102203]Congratulations! You are one lucky dog. Keep on rocking for the rest of us who can't.[/QUOTE]Thank you. Yes, I know I am a very lucky man in general. But more so with this one.

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2102368]Typically, how long is the drive from BKK to Pattaya by taxi?[/QUOTE]Average 2 hours depending on traffic.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;2101605]Does anyone know what is the VOA fee as of now? Up till now it was 1000 THB. Last year it was increased to 2000 but shortly it was again reduced to 1000. The Thai website had a circular saying that the reduction in fee was upto 31st. August 2017. Wonder if it is still 1000 or increased.[/QUOTE] It's 2000 B now.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2102183]Hey, that is how it is for me and my current #1 gf; I am 64 and she is 20.

And she is a head turner, too. Face, body, skin, hair, all model quality features. No kid and no desire or drive to have one. Good thing since she knows I got a vasectomy many years ago. Tallish, slim, smooth, firm and healthy. No joke.

Met her on ThaiCupid, where her stated desired age range to connect with a man was 20-35. But for whatever reason she made an exception and clicked Interested on my profile anyway.

Of course, almost all of these Thai girls need money. But this girl is one of the most non P4P girls I have met here. Works hard and supports herself sufficiently as a barrista in a coffee and pastry shop. Comes over to spend the night with me at least 3 times per week. Would come over more than that if I let her. I do slip a 500 baht note into her hip pocket every 3-4 visits supposedly to cover transportation to and from my place, which she accepts without comment other than a hug, kiss and thank you. Well, I did notice her pining over the new Samsung Note 8 so I picked one up for her a couple of weeks ago. Told her it was an early Christmas gift. Hehe. Meanwhile, she has been great in the bed before and since.

Also, she is a quick-witted and funny girl, always coming up with cute comic antics. Was obviously the key jokester among her high school girlfriend classmates, some of whom I have met.

Yeah, I am bragging on her and on myself, too. Got to tell somebody and this topic offered a reasonable excuse. LOL. Don't know how long it will last. It was very unexpected and, yep, I have kept a cautious eye open for the surprise trap door over the past few months. So far, so good though.[/QUOTE]Awesome! I find that a 19 or 20 year old girl is about the perfect age difference from whatever my age happens to be at the time.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2101992]Agreed. I can understand the logic of remaining with a 50 year old woman in the USA or other westernized countries, but not in Thailand.[/QUOTE]There is no logic to it, but it the same as being married to a lady that gets older. I do have backup girls, to ensure to get a regular fuck. However if I should ever split from GF, I don't see a good reason to get another one. Easier to outsource the sex.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2102379]Average 2 hours depending on traffic.[/QUOTE]Just made the trip today. Left Sukhumvit Soi 11 at 12:30 and arrived at Beach Road at 3:00. There was a substantial traffic snarl about 75% of the way to Pattaya due to construction. I would guess that traffic could get very nasty at rush hour.

I took a taxi with a fixed 1400 baht rate, including tolls. Taxi was clean and nice and the driver was safe and personable. I added tip of 300 baht. I'm often accused of over tipping in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2102435]Awesome! I find that a 19 or 20 year old girl is about the perfect age difference from whatever my age happens to be at the time.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yes! This might be a good time to mention I had seen her photos on ThaiCupid when her stated and accurate age was 19 (she turned 20 a couple of days before we met). She looked stunning. But because her desired age range for the man as stated on her thumbnail pic in the gallery topped out at almost 30 years younger than me I concluded it would be ridiculous for me to click Interested in her first and try to connect with her. I chose to "honor" her age requirement and not risk annoying her. If she had said 50 or higher I would have clicked Interested first. And her profile did not contain any real suggestions that she was looking for P4P customers.

On ThaiCupid we can see who merely viewed our profile so I have to assume she saw that I had viewed hers before she clicked Interested in me. Maybe that was what triggered her curiosity to click Interested in me first. Don't know if she would have done that if she had only seen my pic and profile in the gallery. Actually, she might never have seen my pic and profile at all if TC had been diligent about filtering out potential matches according to her stated age limits. Sometimes they are good about that, sometimes not.

Of course, on my end I say I am open to meet ladies 18-35.

But the lesson here for anyone using the dating sites is don't hesitate to click on the youngest and hottest girls even if their thumbnail pic age range states a top age decades younger than you. Your merely viewing her profile, which she will be notified about, might be all it takes to trigger an interest in meeting you anyway after she views your profile.

Guys, never forget the element of "Face" in virtually everything these people do. It is entirely possible the only reason some of these girls don't post that they could indeed be up for a "date" with a much older man us because they don't want other people on the site reading that they are open to dating one. But if a much older man shows some interest in them privately, who knows?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2102771]
But the lesson here for anyone using the dating sites is don't hesitate to click on the youngest and hottest girls even if their thumbnail pic age range states a top age decades younger than you. Your merely viewing her profile, which she will be notified about, might be all it takes to trigger an interest in meeting you anyway after she views your profile.[/QUOTE]I agree. I don't spend much time in Thailand, but I spend a lot of time in Indonesia. I find that the girls in Indonesia who list the max age for their guy at 30 or 35 who are Muslim will likely accept any age. However, the Christian girls (normally more educated than the Muslims and from more upper class families) are much more likely to tell me "you are older than my father! That's disgusting!

Got on the BTS at 8 PM. The tall girl across from me was very pretty (a 9 at least), tall and very skinny indeed, a beanpole of almost 170 cm in flat shoes. Dressed classy sexy. Very skinny arms. Definitely top model material. Sexy top showed what appeared to very good tits (possibly enhanced). She was wearing a baseball cap so I could not see her whole face totally, as she looked downward to the phone. It occurred to me she could be a LB. However my suspicion was only slight. Hands looked longish but narrow. I wondered where she was going. A good chance Soi Cowboy.

I followed her from in front, meaning I headed to Soi Cowboy and my side ways glances could just see she was not that far behind me. I could see she was only moderately curvy in the hips area but good enough.

I dawdled in Soi Cowboy to let her pass. I was expecting her to maybe go into Cockatoo (LOL), but no, surprise surprise, she went into "Moonshine Joint", of all places. How can such a pretty girl work there? I was actually heading somewhere else, so I came back later in went into Moonshine Joint at 11 PM. No sign of her now. Just a bar with a very small cast of uglies. I wonder what happened. Could she have been BFed long ago most likely, or is it possible she was just visiting and did not actually work there (being far too pretty). May have to investigate another night in case she returns. LOL. Another stunner that got away.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2101992]Agreed. I can understand the logic of remaining with a 50 year old woman in the USA or other westernized countries, but not in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Only if you are married to her, otherwise there is no logic to it. Plenty of younger pussies in the US for hire, and they tend to be the best.

Hi guys,

In anticipation to my 1 week holiday in Thailand I am wondering if it is worth my while getting premium memberships with both or either Thai Friendly and Thai Cupid. I'm planning 5 day Pattaya and 2 in Bangkok and I'm not worried about spending some Baht for sex from the bars etc but scoring a freebie is a boost to every middle aged mans ego. I'm not a regular traveller to Thailand and may not be back for 12 months. I have contacts already from Badoo and Tagged and I have found contacts from these sites to be reliable with my experiences in Indonesia. I'm not a cheap Charlie but I would rather spend the 2000 TBH. On girls and drinks if the sites don't offer the goods.

Thanks Rob.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0nCdOoJ5LM[/URL]

This is a muddled look at the women both working in the sex industry and those trying to meet Western men without going on the game. Newbies may find it informative and interesting.

[QUOTE=Intransit;2103448][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0nCdOoJ5LM[/URL]

This is a muddled look at the women both working in the sex industry and those trying to meet Western men without going on the game. Newbies may find it informative and interesting.[/QUOTE]Yes definitely for newbies. The perspectives of foreign journalists are full of assumptions that may not be applicable in all cases. I did not watch the whole thing not finding it so interesting for a long timer.

The first big assumption that it is prestigious for a village girl to get a Farang BF or husband is rubbish, I think! More like a source of great embarassment. A village girl certainly does not want the gossip from having a temporary Farang boyfriend that makes it obvious she is a hooker.

Bargirls looking for a husband? Maybe 25 years ago. Today it is mostly simply economic. Just find ways of parting foreign guys from their money.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2102749]I took a taxi with a fixed 1400 baht rate, including tolls. Taxi was clean and nice and the driver was safe and personable. I added tip of 300 baht. I'm often accused of over tipping in Thailand.[/QUOTE]LOL can't imagine why! 300 baht is more than generous. How much you paying the girls?

This is my experience and others will certainly differ, so take it for whatever it's worth. I have been here in thailand for 3 months. Twice I have had women I met in bars seem to fall in love with me. I know it sounds silly or fake, but they will want to come over on their day off free. They will stay overnight and up til work time the next day. I say I am watching my budget and they have said I can just pay barfine and they come for free. That all might sound nice, but I am a nice guy and don't want to take advantage of anyone or hurt someone's feelings. I am honest for the most part, I tell them I am leaving in a month for somewhere else or whatever the case may be. I have told one I loved her after she told me she loved me.

Some of the problems from this situation is that it is hard to see others if you are worried about one. And it is hard not to worry about the one if you think she truly has feelings and emotions involved. The girl friend experience is great. I am an old guy and these women are mid 30's. I think kind of new to the bar scene. They say they are. I could be being scammed, but I don't know how, because it is them giving their time not me giving extra money.

I think new comers to here should be aware that the women here can be very loving and girl friendly and if you don't want to hurt them you might have a problem if you let things proceed unknowingly.

I am curious what others will say to this as I don't quite know what to think and imagine I am misunderstanding some things.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2103531]... The girl friend experience is great. I am an old guy and these women are mid 30's....[/QUOTE]Mid 30 is when a woman is about to hit the wall, especially in Thailand where girls do not age particularly well. My hunch is that such a woman is thinking of settling down.

Speaking for myself any woman who insisted on not getting paid or who started giving me much of her free time would make me feel uneasy. I haven't had any such woman in Thailand yet. When the deed was done, the girls I've picked up behaved as though the fire alarm had sounded.

You are lucky to find such girls.

I believe we need more explanation for this type of scenario from other senior members.

XXL has written what he feels.

But we need more discussion on this topic from seniors.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2103531]This is my experience and others will certainly differ, so take it for whatever it's worth. I have been here in thailand for 3 months. Twice I have had women I met in bars seem to fall in love with me. I know it sounds silly or fake, but they will want to come over on their day off free. They will stay overnight and up til work time the next day. I say I am watching my budget and they have said I can just pay barfine and they come for free. That all might sound nice, but I am a nice guy and don't want to take advantage of anyone or hurt someone's feelings. I am honest for the most part, I tell them I am leaving in a month for somewhere else or whatever the case may be. I have told one I loved her after she told me she loved me.

Some of the problems from this situation is that it is hard to see others if you are worried about one. And it is hard not to worry about the one if you think she truly has feelings and emotions involved. The girl friend experience is great. I am an old guy and these women are mid 30's. I think kind of new to the bar scene. They say they are. I could be being scammed, but I don't know how, because it is them giving their time not me giving extra money.

I think new comers to here should be aware that the women here can be very loving and girl friendly and if you don't want to hurt them you might have a problem if you let things proceed unknowingly.

I am curious what others will say to this as I don't quite know what to think and imagine I am misunderstanding some things.[/QUOTE]

Horatio, a (legit) massage girl in Pattaya once told me that once a girl in Thailand turns 30 yrs old their job prospects diminish considerably. So, they may like you, but the economic reality of their situation is probably a factor at play here too.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2103531]I am curious what others will say to this as I don't quite know what to think and imagine I am misunderstanding some things.[/QUOTE]I'm from Vegas if you put a Thai Girl vs a Vegas stripper in professing love it'd be a great fight but in the end it's going to be like the MayWeather vs Mcgregor fight. The Thai girl will win hands down. They have a way of being sweet and charming that we don't understand or it takes awhile to pick up on. That said I've seen girls in there 30's and 40's who probably are ready and willing to settle down with someone who can take care of them. Plus they don't need much usually. As they say follow the money, including buying houses etc. And to them even eating out and shelter helps a lot. So be careful to vet them well and find a friend who can do a reality check for you.

[QUOTE=XXL;2103535]Thailand where girls do not age particularly well.[/QUOTE]Maybe the bar girls don't but the first Thai girl I met in Vegas was 55 years old weighted 110 and was 5'3" ate 2 salads a day and maybe a $10 meal out if she could get me too take her which was easy LOL. She didn't drink party do drugs sex (bummer) but she could clean and cook. Oh and gambled like crazy when should get the money 3 days straight at times. She'd stay with you if she liked you and you'd take care of her, don't think it'd be cheap though.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2103080]Only if you are married to her, otherwise there is no logic to it. Plenty of younger pussies in the US for hire, and they tend to be the best.[/QUOTE]It is not really about age at all, it is about skills and passion, and level of deterioration in the face and body. Some girls are already badly deteriorated at age 20. My GF is still having a great body and pussy at 39. She started out a bit too skinny so body is virtually perfect weight now. Her face had to go downhill a little, but she started out excessively pretty, so now is still way better than average. Only a low percentage of 20 YOs am I going to rate as prettier and with hotter body.

So I am in complete disagreement. I like experienced pussy, not fresh young hopeless girls who don't know how to do anything. Still want a good body and pretty face though. Ok You mentioned the US. Not sure why. Perhaps the rate of girl deterioration is much higher there. Plenty of fatties.

I have 2 regular bargirls both aged 20 but both with years of experience, one skinny white skin, the other tan more voluptuous with big tits (so variety), both tallish. They both clearly first started in P4P when below the required age. They have the stamina to go well beyond how long my GF lasts. They both would not be suitable as a GF, very clearly. These two girl were not selected because they were 20. Just was coincidence. I have other regulars over 30.

[QUOTE=Franga;2103553]Horatio, a (legit) massage girl in Pattaya once told me that once a girl in Thailand turns 30 yrs old their job prospects diminish considerably. So, they may like you, but the economic reality of their situation is probably a factor at play here too.[/QUOTE]Its easy to solve in P4P. They say they are 25 when they are actually 35.

However sure the 50 YO girl struggles to get a job in the Hotel or supermarket or whatever. Its a very discriminatory society.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2103583]Its easy to solve in P4P. They say they are 25 when they are actually 35.

However sure the 50 YO girl struggles to get a job in the Hotel or supermarket or whatever. Its a very discriminatory society.[/QUOTE]In P4P a 35 year old tells you she is 25? No doubt that happens. However, I think that's all women in every country whether it's P4P or not. I know when I meet girls on Tinder in the USA, most times they are older than they said they were.

Then again, if a girl in Thailand tells you she's 18, she's most likely not 18 yet. So sometimes they do tell you they are older than they are. Check those ID's!

I was learning new Thai words. Strangely I did not know how to say "unhook". So got the new Thai word "Bplot khor"
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Put "unhook" into Google Translate. That was fine.
Changed it to read "I unhooked her bra".
The Thai came out meaning "I unhooked from the underclothes". Giving the impression that I had been hooked on. LOL
Changed it to read "I unhooked her brassiere".
It now read in Thai what, translated back to English is "I turned on her headphones" WTF?
Reverse translate shows "I turned on her headphones"
I can't imagine that is a euphemism for unhooking a bra.
I think Google Translate has serious bugs.
It understands Brassiere giving correct translate "yok song" if typed in alone.
But why does it change Thai to "huu fang" ("headphones") in a sentence? Very puzzling.

Syzy, just a suggestion but some may appreciate if you start a Learning Thai thread in the User Blog forum.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2103823]I was learning new Thai words. Strangely I did not know how to say "unhook". So got the new Thai word "Bplot khor"
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Put "unhook" into Google Translate. That was fine.
Changed it to read "I unhooked her bra".
The Thai came out meaning "I unhooked from the underclothes". Giving the impression that I had been hooked on. LOL
Changed it to read "I unhooked her brassiere".
It now read in Thai what, translated back to English is "I turned on her headphones" WTF?
Reverse translate shows "I turned on her headphones"
I can't imagine that is a euphemism for unhooking a bra.
I think Google Translate has serious bugs.
It understands Brassiere giving correct translate "yok song" if typed in alone.
But why does it change Thai to "huu fang" ("headphones") in a sentence? Very puzzling.[/QUOTE]Maybe that is Google Translate's snarky way of suggesting Thai girls' boobs are usually kind of small. You know, pretty much outright saying a pair of headphones is probably all she needs. LOL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2103826]Syzy, just a suggestion but some may appreciate if you start a Learning Thai thread in the User Blog forum.[/QUOTE]There is a thread called "Tips for Learning the Thai Language". It has only 1 post to date.

In the future, I may include a list things one might want to say to a Thai girl before and during a sexual encounter. Unfortunately it takes time to do it well. Secondly it is very hard to do much good for most readers who don't know how to pronounce Thai. That really requires a teacher. If guys teach themselves, they cannot even hear their own pronunciation differences from a native Thai speaker or from correct sound of vowels and tones. Their ears are simply not tuned to it. It is easier to assist guys already past Thai 101.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2104552]There is a thread called "Tips for Learning the Thai Language". It has only 1 post to date.

In the future, I may include a list things one might want to say to a Thai girl before and during a sexual encounter. Unfortunately it takes time to do it well. Secondly it is very hard to do much good for most readers who don't know how to pronounce Thai. That really requires a teacher. If guys teach themselves, they cannot even hear their own pronunciation differences from a native Thai speaker or from correct sound of vowels and tones. Their ears are simply not tuned to it. It is easier to assist guys already past Thai 101.[/QUOTE]I use "Thai-[URL]language.com[/URL]", it is a good learning site with the exception that I can't get the speaker to respond. You click on the speaker and it should give you the correct pronunciation of the word or phrase, but it does not work for me. This is a donation site so if you are satisfied you can donate thru PayPal.

It even gives the history of the phrase, ie: sawasdee ka in 1935 became the official greeting etc.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2104712]I use "Thai-[URL]language.com[/URL]", it is a good learning site with the exception that I can't get the speaker to respond. You click on the speaker and it should give you the correct pronunciation of the word or phrase, but it does not work for me. This is a donation site so if you are satisfied you can donate thru PayPal.

It even gives the history of the phrase, ie: sawasdee ka in 1935 became the official greeting etc.

RL.[/QUOTE]I can recommend the Talking Thai-English Dictionary app. It is fairly comprehensive and I use it almost daily to expand my vocabulary when communicating with my wife. It is available for both iOS and Android. The same publisher has an iPhone only phrase book app that I haven't tried.

Even on occasional visitor can benefit from some tuition: my employer paid for 20 private lessons at AAA Thai Language School. You can join a group, too, which is cheaper. Those 20 lessons got me going, I took them during two trips, about 4 or 6 six lessons a week and that was doable between work meetings and nights of mongering. I'm by no means fluent in Thai but even a little bit of effort can help with breaking the ice in some situations, be it in a parlor or with a FL.

[QUOTE=Kurre;2104771]I can recommend the Talking Thai-English Dictionary app. It is fairly comprehensive and I use it almost daily to expand my vocabulary when communicating with my wife. It is available for both iOS and Android. The same publisher has an iPhone only phrase book app that I haven't tried.

Even on occasional visitor can benefit from some tuition: my employer paid for 20 private lessons at AAA Thai Language School. You can join a group, too, which is cheaper. Those 20 lessons got me going, I took them during two trips, about 4 or 6 six lessons a week and that was doable between work meetings and nights of mongering. I'm by no means fluent in Thai but even a little bit of effort can help with breaking the ice in some situations, be it in a parlor or with a FL.[/QUOTE]I downloaded the app and it was pricy $25.00 but after a few hours of learning the app I was very happy. Highly recommended and a must have for anyone wanting to speak Thai.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2104829]I downloaded the app and it was pricy $25.00 but after a few hours of learning the app I was very happy. Highly recommended and a must have for anyone wanting to speak Thai.

RL.[/QUOTE]Yes I think this (Paiboon Talking Dic) is the best because it also has sound for all words. It is well worth the money for anyone serious about learning and willing to go through the years of study to get to my good conversational standard. I started Thai in 1990. The resources available were all books at the time, and not many ideal for Farangs.

Don't believe web sites that tell you can be fluent in a few weeks. It is bullshit. No one will have even pronunciation going that perfectly in just a few weeks.

Thai-[URL]Language.com[/URL] has limited sound files. They do play for me after a considerable delay. I also use Thai-Lang on an iphone (without sound). I am advanced enough not to need the sound a pronunciation of Thai words is largely systematic and lacking exceptions to the rules. Not like English where spelling does not imply pronunciation for 50% of words. Thai-lang word base maybe a bit larger than Paiboon talking Dic however the later is best for beginners to intermediate level. Its weakness might be that it tends to have single Thai words moreso than phrases, but a lot of phrases recently added. Some colloquial things missing, especially new teenage slang.

You can plug Thai script into Google Translate to get sound either fast or slow speed. That could be very handy.

I also use Thai Best Dictionary App and [URL]Longdo.com[/URL] but these are intended for Thais not for Farangs, so don't recommend.

I also use Flashcards deluxe App to feed in my excel spreadsheet vocab lists, and Anki for advanced study of vocab from Thai news articles.

[QUOTE=Kurre;2104771]I can recommend the Talking Thai-English Dictionary app. It is fairly comprehensive and I use it almost daily to expand my vocabulary when communicating with my wife. It is available for both iOS and Android. The same publisher has an iPhone only phrase book app that I haven't tried.

Even on occasional visitor can benefit from some tuition: my employer paid for 20 private lessons at AAA Thai Language School. You can join a group, too, which is cheaper. Those 20 lessons got me going, I took them during two trips, about 4 or 6 six lessons a week and that was doable between work meetings and nights of mongering. I'm by no means fluent in Thai but even a little bit of effort can help with breaking the ice in some situations, be it in a parlor or with a FL.[/QUOTE]AUA Language School perhaps?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2104991]AUA Language School perhaps?[/QUOTE]No, although I'm familiar with the name AUA. AAA is not quite as prestigious as AUA, but has been accredited by the government. AAA is used by some embassies as well as non-profits and businesses. When I attended back in 2013 it's was located near BTS Chit Lom but now has offices near Phaya Thai.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2104991]AUA Language School perhaps?[/QUOTE]I chatted with "Easy and Simple English", and their prices seemed a little high. This is for my girlfriend who speaks broken English and is a teacher. They quoted 50 hours for 19,000 Baht or 30 hours at 15,000 baht. Is this the normal rate for learning English as far as you know?

Thanks for any replies.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2106734]I chatted with "Easy and Simple English", and their prices seemed a little high. This is for my girlfriend who speaks broken English and is a teacher. They quoted 50 hours for 19,000 Baht or 30 hours at 15,000 baht. Is this the normal rate for learning English as far as you know?

Thanks for any replies.

RL.[/QUOTE]Duke Language School on Sukhumvit Soi 13 charges 7000 baht for 60 hours and provide excellent textbooks which the lessons are closely based on. The instructors were the best of any of the 6 schools I attended. The downside (for me anyway) is that the classes are 3 hours a day, 5 days a week for 20 days. Regarding AUA, you might as well save your money and stay home and watch TV because you are basically not allowed to ask questions but just sit there and watch 2 instructors perform some type of skit with no idea what the lesson is about and no textbooks to study or reference.

Had 2 ladies from here on my last visit. They brought the massage table with a hole in the middle.

A good massage then the 2nd girl underneath massaging my balls while the other gave a good prostate massage. I came loads over the stomach of the girl on the floor.

Then onto the bed, one used a vibrator on myself and jerked me and sucked my tits while the other used a strap on on me. A great second orgasm.

6000 each for an hour.

I've screwed around hell of a lot in my life and done most bizarre things but this was one of the best. Just google Bangkok Milking Table.

Does line tell location? It's kind of a jerk thing to do, but I think I am going to tell someone I left Thailand.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2107003]Does line tell location? It's kind of a jerk thing to do, but I think I am going to tell someone I left Thailand.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hi Horatio,

I believe it doesn't tell location as I'm planning a trip soon myself and 9 times out of 10 the first question is where are you.

Rob.

[QUOTE=Bogiemaker;2094461]Is a passport required to purchase a SIM card?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'm done with Sim Cards. I used to use multiple cell phones and got local sim cards wherever I went. It was a royal pain in the ass managing the cards and phone numbers. Google Fi is the best cell phone provider for people who visit multiple countries. It can all be taken care of before you leave the US and you have service in 135 countries. The plan is very simple. The base fee is $20 per month for unlimited talk and texting in the USA. Then data is $10 per gig anywhere in the world. Speeds are almost always 4 G LTE. Use just 250 Meg, it is only $2. 50. I usually use between one and two megs so my bill is between $30 and $40 a month. They currently only support a number of Android phones (I love my Pixel), but are rolling out more. If you are a hard core Apple fanboy, perhaps not for you. I don't think Google is ever going to support the iPhone. But they do give you a 2nd sim card that can go in your old cell phone (useful going into sketchy neighborhoods) or mobile enabled tablet (including compatible iPads). I love having data as soon as my wheels are down and usually am messaging girls before I get through customs. The Pixel (and I suspect other phones) support tethering so you also have a mobile hotspot with you to connect your laptop. If you are interested, PM me, I can send you a link for $20 after your first months service. If you have any questions, you can ask me as well.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2107117]I'm done with Sim Cards. I used to use multiple cell phones and got local sim cards wherever I went. It was a royal pain in the ass managing the cards and phone numbers. Google Fi is the best cell phone provider for people who visit multiple countries. It can all be taken care of before you leave the US and you have service in 135 countries. The plan is very simple. The base fee is $20 per month for unlimited talk and texting in the USA. Then data is $10 per gig anywhere in the world. Speeds are almost always 4 G LTE. Use just 250 Meg, it is only $2. 50. I usually use between one and two megs so my bill is between $30 and $40 a month. They currently only support a number of Android phones (I love my Pixel), but are rolling out more. If you are a hard core Apple fanboy, perhaps not for you. I don't think Google is ever going to support the iPhone. But they do give you a 2nd sim card that can go in your old cell phone (useful going into sketchy neighborhoods) or mobile enabled tablet (including compatible iPads). I love having data as soon as my wheels are down and usually am messaging girls before I get through customs. The Pixel (and I suspect other phones) support tethering so you also have a mobile hotspot with you to connect your laptop. If you are interested, PM me, I can send you a link for $20 after your first months service. If you have any questions, you can ask me as well.[/QUOTE]T Mobile has been great for me. I have 3 lines at $40.00 a line and unlimited gigs. Travel is roaming at 2 G LTE and works great. $. 20 text and $. 20 a minute a call. ID's all countries I enter and automatically switches to roam.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2107161]T Mobile has been great for me. I have 3 lines at $40.00 a line and unlimited gigs. Travel is roaming at 2 G LTE and works great. $. 20 text and $. 20 a minute a call. ID's all countries I enter and automatically switches to roam.

RL.[/QUOTE]I think I posted on this before. But had it for many years but have to be post paid. T-Mobile sucks in coverage in the US. The roaming data speed is really slow but OK for slow social media. There have been many promotions whereby sometimes a free line is offered. ATT used to have a deal but it was expensive but OK if it is covered by the company. Many people I know who were grandfathered in dropped the service because the rates have come down do much on plans.

I still prefer local SIMs because it is so easy to get and usually the data speeds are much faster. I am curious if the Google Fi get LTE speeds or just 3 or 2 G. LTE was great, but now it is getting crowded so the speeds are slowing down.

You can avoid the charges by forwarding your number to Hangout.

Hello all fair minded individuals,

I looked around but could not find a answer so I am opening up my question to anyone that can provide an answer. Looking to visit Pattaya spring time, so March / April. For a newbie traveling to that side of the globe (I'm mainly east coast USA / Mexico) what is an ideal amount of days one should take including days for flights. Should I plan on taking 7 days as 5 would be in country and 2 flying or take 5 and have 3 days in country which one is ideal for a first timer.

I'm on the East coast so please keep that in mind. Thank you gents for the answers in advance.

[QUOTE=BushRusher;2107180]
I still prefer local SIMs because it is so easy to get and usually the data speeds are much faster. I am curious if the Google Fi get LTE speeds or just 3 or 2 G. LTE was great, but now it is getting crowded so the speeds are slowing down.

You can avoid the charges by forwarding your number to Hangout.[/QUOTE]The SIMs tend to time out and then you have to replace them. You also have to keep track of all the different phone numbers. I love landing in a country and having my service connected when my plane is wheels down. Don't want to deal with the taxi mafia at the airport, you have connectivity to call an Uber. Want to a girl waiting at your hotel, just go ahead and message her.

My experience with Google Fi has been LTE 4 G speeds even in outlying areas in Colombia and Peru. I got 4 G in El Calafate, Patagonia Argentina and in Atacama Chile, which only has one paved road. On rare occasion in the boonies it has gone to 3 G, never 2 G. Google Fi uses T-Mobile AND Sprint and automatically selects the best connection and speed (seemlessly). When T-Mobile service had an authentication issue in Lima Peru, I had to call Google tech support. Because the T-Mobile signal was strong, my phone would not auto-switch to Sprint. In 3 minutes they diagnosed the problem and told me how to make the phone default to Sprint and I was good to go. I have never had an issue in the US. And with my usage (generally about 1 Gig sometimes 2 Gigs a month), it is cheaper than T-Mobile. I think T-Mobile is a good option if you don't mind poor customer service, slower speeds when out of the country, or need an unlimited data plane.

Another differentiation is service. I get a clear clean understandable simple bill and on the few occasions I've called for support, I got someone knowledgeable and helpful on the line within a minute. When my Nexus 6 P started to get squirrelly towards the end of its warranty period, Google sent me a brand new Pixel XL to replace it. When I had T-Mobile, customer service was aweful. They also give you a free 2nd data only Sim. I put that in my older phone so when I'm going into anyplace the might be sketchy, I'm not putting my new phone at risk. It can also go into a data enabled tablet. The only downside I can see are a smaller selection of phones (But I'm very happy with the Pixel) and no iPhone if that is a deal breaker for you. You can try it for free for 30 days. If interested PM me for a link, you will get a $20 credit at the end of your first month.

[QUOTE=Reagan;2106811]Had 2 ladies from here on my last visit. They brought the massage table with a hole in the middle.

6000 each for an hour.

I've screwed around hell of a lot in my life and done most bizarre things but this was one of the best. Just google Bangkok Milking Table.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you enjoyed yourself! Another option in Bangkok is Eden Club on Suk soi 7/1, which has the same type services on the menu (sans milking table) if that is your cup of tea.

Question: I checked the website and it says 6,000 for 2 ladies 1 hour. I interpret what you indicated as payment is different. Can you clarify?

SL.

Guys, I am an experienced monger from India and have mongered all over India and in Europe. I have been to Thailand before with friends and have tried out soapie at Kristine's and have had some good fun at the regular massage parlors in Bangkok and Phuket. I am planning my solo trip now. Since I will be coming alone I would like to have some good overnight or multiple days GF experience with girls. I have been checking smooci as it is gaining popularity. I wanted to know that what is the general perception about Indian guys in Thailand. I know that a lot of creepy middle aged guys come to Thailand for cheap thrills but is there any way to change this perception? Or are there any reliable places where they do not say NO just because I am an Indian?

[QUOTE=Bangathon;2107434]Guys, I am an experienced monger from India and have mongered all over India and in Europe. I have been to Thailand before with friends and have tried out soapie at Kristine's and have had some good fun at the regular massage parlors in Bangkok and Phuket. I am planning my solo trip now. Since I will be coming alone I would like to have some good overnight or multiple days GF experience with girls. I have been checking smooci as it is gaining popularity. I wanted to know that what is the general perception about Indian guys in Thailand. I know that a lot of creepy middle aged guys come to Thailand for cheap thrills but is there any way to change this perception? Or are there any reliable places where they do not say NO just because I am an Indian?[/QUOTE]This ISG forum might be of some assistance: [URL]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?3759-Advice-for-Indians-visiting-Thailand[/URL].

Devils Den in Pattaya has a stated policy against discrimination: [URL]http://devilsdenthailand.com/faq.html[/URL].

SL.

[QUOTE=BlackJah;2107294]Hello all fair minded individuals,

I looked around but could not find a answer so I am opening up my question to anyone that can provide an answer. Looking to visit Pattaya spring time, so March / April. For a newbie traveling to that side of the globe (I'm mainly east coast USA / Mexico) what is an ideal amount of days one should take including days for flights. Should I plan on taking 7 days as 5 would be in country and 2 flying or take 5 and have 3 days in country which one is ideal for a first timer.

I'm on the East coast so please keep that in mind. Thank you gents for the answers in advance.[/QUOTE]As long as possible, I wouldn't bother with 7 days myself.

[QUOTE=BlackJah;2107294]Hello all fair minded individuals,

I looked around but could not find a answer so I am opening up my question to anyone that can provide an answer. Looking to visit Pattaya spring time, so March / April. For a newbie traveling to that side of the globe (I'm mainly east coast USA / Mexico) what is an ideal amount of days one should take including days for flights. Should I plan on taking 7 days as 5 would be in country and 2 flying or take 5 and have 3 days in country which one is ideal for a first timer.

I'm on the East coast so please keep that in mind. Thank you gents for the answers in advance.[/QUOTE]The longer the better. If you take 7 days with 5 in country you will wish it had been double that. You will be SO unusual if you will be happy with a very short 3 days and a trip home.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2107482]The longer the better. If you take 7 days with 5 in country you will wish it had been double that. You will be SO unusual if you will be happy with a very short 3 days and a trip home.[/QUOTE]I live East Coast (Virginia) as well. We do Friday through the following Sunday. That's plenty for us, LOL. Departing on Friday, you arrive in BKK late Saturday, but still have time to play once you arrive in Pattaya after a 1. 5 hour cab ride. You will likely need to leave for the airport the following Saturday about 9:00 pm for a midnight flight back to the states.

[QUOTE=BlackJah;2107294]what is an ideal amount of days one should take including days for flights. Should I plan on taking 7 days as 5 would be in country and 2 flying or take 5 and have 3 days in country which one is ideal for a first timer. I'm on the East coast so please keep that in mind. [/QUOTE]Believe me, the longer you can stay in Thailand the better. 7 days IN country would be my minimum considering the money and time it takes to fly from East Coast USA to the Land of Smiles. So, adding in flight time I would advise you to plan spending at least 10 or 12 days on your trip total (2 weeks would be a lot better) or forgetaboutit.

Keep in mind that for short getaways from East Coast USA, the easy alternative is zipping down to Colombia or Brazil with 2/3 less travel time and plenty of attractive Latina hotties to keep you company while you have a 7-day blast. I live in SE Florida and I prefer Asian girls over Latinas and Asian culture over same same, so I travel to Asia every year even though I know exactly what the long duration flight to BKK is like. But my trips average 72 days or longer, so the torturous flight time is justified in my mind. But if I only had 7 days max to spare, I wouldn't think twice about it. I would head on down to Medellin or Sao Paulo for the best Latina girls period or Cartagena or Rio for the best combination of Latina girls and beach. Of course the decision is yours. If you decide on LOS, I know you will have a great time.

[QUOTE=Bangathon;2107434] {Snip}I wanted to know that what is the general perception about Indian guys in Thailand. {Snip} Or are there any reliable places where they do not say NO just because I am an Indian?[/QUOTE]To be honest with you your Indian countrymen have a pretty poor reputation with the people of Thailand. Unfortunately mostly deservedly. You will find places that will provide services to Indian men, but you will find the service provided reluctantly in most cases.

I'm sure you have already been appraised of the issues most have with Indians, so there is no need to go into it here as it will just start a flame war.

[QUOTE=Bangathon;2107434]Guys, I am an experienced monger from India and have mongered all over India and in Europe. I have been to Thailand before with friends and have tried out soapie at Kristine's and have had some good fun at the regular massage parlors in Bangkok and Phuket. I am planning my solo trip now. Since I will be coming alone I would like to have some good overnight or multiple days GF experience with girls. I have been checking smooci as it is gaining popularity. I wanted to know that what is the general perception about Indian guys in Thailand. I know that a lot of creepy middle aged guys come to Thailand for cheap thrills but is there any way to change this perception? Or are there any reliable places where they do not say NO just because I am an Indian?[/QUOTE]Since you have been to Thailand, you are experienced, whatever the experience. If the experience was good, then revisit the same venues.

As for "creepy middle aged guys come to Thailand for cheap thrills" that describes a lot of people. I would have considered India cheaper.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2107337]The SIMs tend to time out and then you have to replace them.[/QUOTE]I hear you. I am just a more frequent traveller and receive local text and calls. So I always get a local SIM. Social and Internet based apps are penetrating the various countries but for now, the local SIM gives me more flexibility and convenience. Not all have Internet access. Hence I also have a T-Mobile SIM.

I checked Google Fi and it requires a newish Nexus phone, which I do have. The credits are applied supposedly to the next months bill. Since I do have a Nexus phone, I might give it try sometime.

Also, Asian local phone plans are starting to offer some flat rate roaming at a fairly expensive price.

I will keep it short here but when I have time, I will explain in detail. I am posed as hell with the attitude of Indians.

Being an Indian myself, I found about 90% of us fit perfectly in the following 4 categories. Rude, Loud, Dirty and Cheap and most of these guys couldn't speak English (if you know a little bit about India then you know pretty much everyone educated speaks English very well).

Now tell me why would anyone want to be near them, much less fuck them.

The LOS will do a favor for everyone if they stop issuing visa on arrival for Indians before the hordes turn this beautiful country in to one filthy place just like the towns and cities we have in India.

Don't get me wrong, I saw and met several well educated, well travelled and affluent Indians and they all share the exact same opinion.

My experience was so bad that I have decided to stop flying budget airlines like air Asia altogether for overseas trips.

More to come!

[QUOTE=Stykler;2107504]To be honest with you your Indian countrymen have a pretty poor reputation with the people of Thailand. Unfortunately mostly deservedly. You will find places that will provide services to Indian men, but you will find the service provided reluctantly in most cases.

I'm sure you have already been appraised of the issues most have with Indians, so there is no need to go into it here as it will just start a flame war.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bangathon;2107434]Guys, I am an experienced monger from India and have mongered all over India and in Europe. I have been to Thailand before with friends and have tried out soapie at Kristine's and have had some good fun at the regular massage parlors in Bangkok and Phuket. I am planning my solo trip now. Since I will be coming alone I would like to have some good overnight or multiple days GF experience with girls. I have been checking smooci as it is gaining popularity. I wanted to know that what is the general perception about Indian guys in Thailand. I know that a lot of creepy middle aged guys come to Thailand for cheap thrills but is there any way to change this perception? Or are there any reliable places where they do not say NO just because I am an Indian?[/QUOTE]It is not easy. There are more Thai girls that just do not go for Indian guys much even more so than they might not go for Farangs. Still it is possible to overcome the prejudices, by proving you don't want the world for free or very low money, and by proving you don't have bad under arm stink, or smelly foreskin, or whatever the clichs are. Some handsome high class acting Indians can be doing quite well. I don't really know if Thai girls are liking very hairy men, or not. I am certainly not that.

I noticed that Billboard bar is very popular with Indians partying maybe just a bit too much for my liking. This means not sitting quietly at all. I don't like guys standing and moving around the stage blocking view of others, no matter where they come from. However I appreciate than younger guys tend to get into party mode. I also noticed that Indians prefer bars with more voluptuous girls than what I like. So I am going for the bars with mainly skinny girls. I don't see many Indian guys with really skinny girls. There tend to be venues with plenty of Indian customers and others with none or low.

Being by yourself could be an advantage as you may be viewed as different to a group.

[QUOTE=Bangathon;2107434]I wanted to know that what is the general perception about Indian guys in Thailand. I know that a lot of creepy middle aged guys come to Thailand for cheap thrills but is there any way to change this perception? Or are there any reliable places where they do not say NO just because I am an Indian?[/QUOTE]Being creepy and middle aged is fine with the Thai girls. However, being Indian is a different story.

Is thanksgiving any kiND of holiday in thailand. I need to go to the immigration office in phuket city and would like to go on Thursday.

Thanks for an answer.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2107698]Is thanksgiving any kiND of holiday in thailand. I need to go to the immigration office in phuket city and would like to go on Thursday.

Thanks for an answer.[/QUOTE]If I'm not mistaken, Thanksgiving and Martin Luther King day are the two biggest holidays in Thailand. See the link below for details.

[URL]http://www.officeholidays.com/countries/thailand/index.php[/URL]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2107693]Being creepy and middle aged is fine with the Thai girls. However, being Indian is a different story.[/QUOTE]Ha, ha, ha. Best comment ever. Priceless!

[QUOTE=Horatio;2107698]Is thanksgiving any kiND of holiday in thailand. [/QUOTE]Seriously? Thanksgiving isn't any kind of holiday outside of the US.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2107693]Being creepy and middle aged is fine with the Thai girls. However, being Indian is a different story.[/QUOTE]Must be very tough if you are a creepy middle aged Indian.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2107931]Seriously? Thanksgiving isn't any kind of holiday outside of the US.[/QUOTE]Also Canada although on a different date as well as a smattering of other countries. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving_[/URL](Canada).

On the flip side, you get magical powers. You become invisible.

Like at the Thermae walk of shame at Bangkok. The girls will act like you just don't exist.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2107943]Must be very tough if you are a creepy middle aged Indian.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;2107966]Also Canada although on a different date as well as a smattering of other countries. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving_[/URL](Canada).[/QUOTE]Most of these countries celebrate a holiday called thanksgiving but it's generally a different holiday.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2107978]On the flip side, you get magical powers. You become invisible.

Like at the Thermae walk of shame at Bangkok. The girls will act like you just don't exist.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what you mean by "walk of shame". Those girls in Thermae are not real hookers. I think they are just young chicks acting out their fantasy of being a highly paid courtesan and getting an extravagant amount of money for having sex with a foreigner (preferably a Japanese one). But, those girls are not serious about making the deal. Their attitude is just like young women when they are in a regular bar. When I was in Thermae (this time last year) the girls outnumbered the guys like 15 to 1. Now, you can't possibly expect to be successful in hooking a customer against those odds, when you are acting snooty like that. And then quote extravagant prices for ST. In the immortal words of John McEnroe: "You can't be serious. " There is no shame here except on the girls who are wasting their time and you time. Walk outside near closing time and you will have plenty of girls in your face (and some not so really girls, too). When those don't talk to you, you might have a problem. But, otherwise nobody shouldn't even care what those silly girls in Thermae think.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2107633]It is not easy. There are more Thai girls that just do not go for Indian guys much even more so than they might not go for Farangs. Still it is possible to overcome the prejudices, by proving you don't want the world for free or very low money, and by proving you don't have bad under arm stink, or smelly foreskin, or whatever the clichs are. Some handsome high class acting Indians can be doing quite well. I don't really know if Thai girls are liking very hairy men, or not. I am certainly not that.

I noticed that Billboard bar is very popular with Indians partying maybe just a bit too much for my liking. This means not sitting quietly at all. I don't like guys standing and moving around the stage blocking view of others, no matter where they come from. However I appreciate than younger guys tend to get into party mode. I also noticed that Indians prefer bars with more voluptuous girls than what I like. So I am going for the bars with mainly skinny girls. I don't see many Indian guys with really skinny girls. There tend to be venues with plenty of Indian customers and others with none or low.

Being by yourself could be an advantage as you may be viewed as different to a group.[/QUOTE]I tried to get a lady from Craigslist to meet with me and she asked which hotel I was staying. When I told her Ambassador she didn't show up. When I texted her and asked why she didn't show up, she said you are Indian and I know your tricks, I replied that I was not Indian and she didn't reply back.

Don't stay in Hotels that are primarily Indian, Sri Lankan, Bangladesh etc. To bad because I actually like the Ambassador. I get a tower room on a high floor with a city view and the buffet breakfast is one the best, especially if you like Indian food. 55555.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2108123]I tried to get a lady from Craigslist to meet with me and she asked which hotel I was staying. When I told her Ambassador she didn't show up. When I texted her and asked why she didn't show up, she said you are Indian and I know your tricks.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, there have been too many BS scams pulled by Indians, Arabs and Africans so the girls don't trust them. I feel bad for the guys from those areas who are good guys, but the fact is that there are a lot of bad apples in those particular barrels.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2107943]Must be very tough if you are a creepy middle aged Indian.[/QUOTE]Indian's have a problem being accepted all over the world. I've been in a fortunate position where I have been able to travel extensively for most of my working life, and in my opinion the problem with Indian's has really only been a recent eventuality since the middle class of India have had the resources to travel overseas. In their own backyard the Indian traits that repel most people are contained and only impact on each other. The flaws in Indian culture and behavior are really exposed when they are overseas.

China had a similar problem but did something about it. Living in Beijing in 2003-04 I came across Chinese Government initiatives where they actively took measures to inform their population how they should act and behave when overseas, I'm not too sure these initiatives are still in place these days. It will be up to others to judge how effective these initiatives have been, but I would always prefer to mix with Chinese when overseas than Indians.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2108050]I'm not sure what you mean by "walk of shame". Those girls in Thermae are not real hookers. I think they are just young chicks acting out their fantasy of being a highly paid courtesan and getting an extravagant amount of money for having sex with a foreigner (preferably a Japanese one). But, those girls are not serious about making the deal. Their attitude is just like young women when they are in a regular bar. When I was in Thermae (this time last year) the girls outnumbered the guys like 15 to 1. Now, you can't possibly expect to be successful in hooking a customer against those odds, when you are acting snooty like that. And then quote extravagant prices for ST. In the immortal words of John McEnroe: "You can't be serious. " There is no shame here except on the girls who are wasting their time and you time. Walk outside near closing time and you will have plenty of girls in your face (and some not so really girls, too). When those don't talk to you, you might have a problem. But, otherwise nobody shouldn't even care what those silly girls in Thermae think.[/QUOTE]In MHO, at least 50% are WG's, they are prepared with all the essentials, KY, condoms, and baby oil. Your average lady looking for a little extra cash and is an office worker might not bring the kitchen sink. Every lady I picked up in Thermae had all the goodies in their bag. They new short cuts to my hotel and pointed out short time hotels if needed. Knew how to negotiate a deal and how to close the deal.

Next time I will look for the shy ones that have a hard time making eye contact. But will that pay off in the sack? Inexperience can be fun if the lady is open minded. If not it's starfish city.

RL.

It was Saturday night or I should say Sunday early morning around 1 am, the place was very crowded and was definitely past it's holding capacity. At that time I expected a few girls to be desperate and would be willing to go out but oh boy, I was in for a rudesurprise.

There were a LOT of girls, from 5's all the way to 8's, did see any drop dead gorgeous women. They were thronging both sides of the central seating area and also occupied most of the tables. The girls surely outnumbered guys. Now about 95% of the Gudu were Asian, most looked Japanese and Korean. The rest 5% looked like a random picked group from all over the world. Young and old, whites, blacks, Browns etc.

None of the girls made eye contact. Mostly they were just standing there chatting with each other or too busy with their phones and making zero effort to lure customers and that includes Asian men too. May be a few waved to some Asian guys but that was it. It just seemed strange. In the half hour I spent there drinking my beers I hardly saw one or two guys take out a girl. I read somewhere here that the girls will pounce on Jap / Koreans but I certainly didn't see that but they were not cold to them. Lot of guys were just sitting there like myself wondering what to do next. Since the girls acted like cold fish, I think guys were worried about taking them and having a bad time?

What the fuck? What kind of a pick up joint is this? Was it too early? I don't know and I don't want to know. It was just a waste of time.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2108050]I'm not sure what you mean by "walk of shame". Those girls in Thermae are not real hookers. I think they are just young chicks acting out their fantasy of being a highly paid courtesan and getting an extravagant amount of money for having sex with a foreigner (preferably a Japanese one). But, those girls are not serious about making the deal. Their attitude is just like young women when they are in a regular bar. When I was in Thermae (this time last year) the girls outnumbered the guys like 15 to 1. Now, you can't possibly expect to be successful in hooking a customer against those odds, when you are acting snooty like that. And then quote extravagant prices for ST. In the immortal words of John McEnroe: "You can't be serious. " There is no shame here except on the girls who are wasting their time and you time. Walk outside near closing time and you will have plenty of girls in your face (and some not so really girls, too). When those don't talk to you, you might have a problem. But, otherwise nobody shouldn't even care what those silly girls in Thermae think.[/QUOTE]

I think you came too late. Most of the girls there had probably already had a ST or two.

And out of respect and support of those who haven't, they now line up in the back and / or show no interest to further their business anymore. So you have to reach out to them yourself.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2108730]It was Saturday night or I should say Sunday early morning around 1 am, the place was very crowded and was definitely past it's holding capacity. At that time I expected a few girls to be desperate and would be willing to go out but oh boy, I was in for a rudesurprise.

There were a LOT of girls, from 5's all the way to 8's, did see any drop dead gorgeous women. They were thronging both sides of the central seating area and also occupied most of the tables. The girls surely outnumbered guys. Now about 95% of the Gudu were Asian, most looked Japanese and Korean. The rest 5% looked like a random picked group from all over the world. Young and old, whites, blacks, Browns etc.

None of the girls made eye contact. Mostly they were just standing there chatting with each other or too busy with their phones and making zero effort to lure customers and that includes Asian men too. May be a few waved to some Asian guys but that was it. It just seemed strange. In the half hour I spent there drinking my beers I hardly saw one or two guys take out a girl. I read somewhere here that the girls will pounce on Jap / Koreans but I certainly didn't see that but they were not cold to them. Lot of guys were just sitting there like myself wondering what to do next. Since the girls acted like cold fish, I think guys were worried about taking them and having a bad time?

What the fuck? What kind of a pick up joint is this? Was it too early? I don't know and I don't want to know. It was just a waste of time.[/QUOTE]

That could be a plausible explanation but if it holds true then wouldn't the girls up front who didn't have business yet be more than willing to socialize and chat with the mongers? Or may be this is a place where guys have to be more pro active and take the initiative with each and every girl? There is a code where girls can't go and disturb guys? It's sill a puzzle.

[QUOTE=Liondale;2108759]I think you came too late. Most of the girls there had probably already had a ST or two.

And out of respect and support of those who haven't, they now line up in the back and / or show no interest to further their business anymore. So you have to reach out to them yourself.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the ones that haven't still had business should be smiling at you, or maybe that's why their still not taken.

I was also surprised how civilized everything is there. The girls don't do anything more than smile. Must be some code they are following. I think it's good though, been to many places where you are absolutely ambushed and pulled in all different directions, and you have to fight your way through girls trying to hold on to you. At least here you can take your time and look at them first. I've only been there twice but think that once you approach one she will probably be all smiles and friendliness once you start talking.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2108770]That could be a plausible explanation but if it holds true then wouldn't the girls up front who didn't have business yet be more than willing to socialize and chat with the mongers? Or may be this is a place where guys have to be more pro active and take the initiative with each and every girl? There is a code where girls can't go and disturb guys? It's sill a puzzle.[/QUOTE]

Usually we go to levels but as it was closed for renovation so we went to insanity club on 5th of December, lot of babes were there but few stunner available and since it was Saturday night so little more effort required to score due to demand and supply. Lot of girls came in after 2 o clock. We took a VIP table at 12600 baht with 2 complimentary bottle of gold label and 1 champagne. Got 2 birds who were newbie without much experience, they were drunk and came with us at hotel, had a good time paid 5000 baht as they told us its your wish whatever.

Music is amazing and they are on till 4 am and we were told by waiters its easy to score on weekdays.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2108770]That could be a plausible explanation but if it holds true then wouldn't the girls up front who didn't have business yet be more than willing to socialize and chat with the mongers? Or may be this is a place where guys have to be more pro active and take the initiative with each and every girl? There is a code where girls can't go and disturb guys? It's sill a puzzle.[/QUOTE]When I go to thermae (which is not often because it's not my cup of tea), I take one lap around the place and check out every girl there. I then loop back to the most attractive one and immediately talk to her and if interested will immediately pull her out of there. If there are none that I find attractive (as you mention, 5 to 8's are about the range that's normally in there, it's not easy to find a stunner in the place), I will wait near the door for a "hottie" to walk in. There definitely are a few hotties who come in there, but they are quickly snagged. So the second a hottie walks through that door, I will pounce on her, immediately chat her up and make her an offer. If she is interested and the price is right, the girl normally doesn't get many steps inside the door before she will be heading back out with me. Another way to do it is to wait outside for the girls to arrive and pounce on them before they even enter the door. But that is tedious and boring. At least inside, I can have a drink and look at the girls who are in there while I wait. Then again, sitting inside Thermae having some drinks is not exactly my idea of fun either.

I much prefer the gogo scene where I can look at naked girls, feel them up as they sit with me having drinks, and generally have a good time before I select one for the night.

[QUOTE=HornyBabaji;2108788]We took a VIP table at 12600 baht [/QUOTE]Now I understand why this place is called Insanity, LOL.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2108730]None of the girls made eye contact. Mostly they were just standing there chatting with each other or too busy with their phones and making zero effort to lure customers and that includes Asian men too. [/QUOTE]Thermae has always been a place where you (the punter) have to take the initiative most of the time. Even though before the 'cell phone generation' the girls did make eye contact, they usually didn't do much more than that.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2108730]None of the girls made eye contact. Mostly they were just standing there chatting with each other or too busy with their phones and making zero effort to lure customers and that includes Asian men too. May be a few waved to some Asian guys but that was it. It just seemed strange. In the half hour I spent there drinking my beers I hardly saw one or two guys take out a girl. I read somewhere here that the girls will pounce on Jap / Koreans but I certainly didn't see that but they were not cold to them. [/QUOTE]The thermae is almost an Asian only bar when it comes to the top girls and I've seen many stunners there. I do not exist when I slowly walk through their numbers and I've got some game left. It's the same for most Caucasians. Maybe if you're 25 and really good looking but I've never seen the best there w / a Caucasian. Most everyone knows this.

That being said there are a few desperate decent lookers that will go but the low lights there bring out the best in mid tier hookers. They'll look different once you get them out in the light. It is what it is. I like to go and browse but I know for certain I won't be pulling the thermae's finest. It's still fun to do. Afterwards soi cowboy isn't that far.

Happy holidays.

[QUOTE=Socker;2109055]The thermae is almost an Asian only bar when it comes to the top girls and I've seen many stunners there. I do not exist when I slowly walk through their numbers and I've got some game left. It's the same for most Caucasians. Maybe if you're 25 and really good looking but I've never seen the best there w / a Caucasian. Most everyone knows this.

That being said there are a few desperate decent lookers that will go but the low lights there bring out the best in mid tier hookers. They'll look different once you get them out in the light. It is what it is. I like to go and browse but I know for certain I won't be pulling the thermae's finest. It's still fun to do. Afterwards soi cowboy isn't that far.

Happy holidays.[/QUOTE]I'm an old Caucasian who did Thermae girls several times in October and November. My experience was that there are fewer girls available shortly before closing, but, the available girls are more receptive to an old Caucasian than they were 2 or 3 hours earlier.

Perhaps one of my best memories of Thermae was riding the hotel elevator with a tall, slender girl in full hooker dress (high heels, hot pants, low cut top, heavy makeup). We ended up sharing the elevator with 3 older Indian couples. During the ride, one of the old ladies couldn't keep her eyes off me and my hooker; she finally laughed a little and her 2 lady friends also laughed. When the 3 Indian couples got off the elevator, the first old lady looks at me and says "Have a good time. " She laughed and the other Indian ladies laughed, almost uncontrollably. Meanwhile, the 3 Indian men were totally silent, probably wishing they could exchange places with me. I've never before seen Indian people show that kind of laughter.

Unfortunately, that particular Thermae girl was not one of the better performers that I experienced.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2109293]I'm an old Caucasian who did Thermae girls several times in October and November. My experience was that there are fewer girls available shortly before closing, but, the available girls are more receptive to an old Caucasian than they were 2 or 3 hours earlier.

Perhaps one of my best memories of Thermae was riding the hotel elevator with a tall, slender girl in full hooker dress (high heels, hot pants, low cut top, heavy makeup). We ended up sharing the elevator with 3 older Indian couples. During the ride, one of the old ladies couldn't keep her eyes off me and my hooker; she finally laughed a little and her 2 lady friends also laughed. When the 3 Indian couples got off the elevator, the first old lady looks at me and says "Have a good time. " She laughed and the other Indian ladies laughed, almost uncontrollably. Meanwhile, the 3 Indian men were totally silent, probably wishing they could exchange places with me. I've never before seen Indian people show that kind of laughter.

Unfortunately, that particular Thermae girl was not one of the better performers that I experienced.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you never know where the humor will come from, that's a good elevator story. The rooms in the hotel aren't bad. My buddy stayed on the 8th floor and there's a pool on the roof (9th floor). It's a great deal w / tons of lookers down below and a decent but basic room.

I do agree about timing but never worked that aspect yet. I have pulled some fun women out of there. I'll be there in January and it's part of my routine so I'll be checking out the prima donna. Wish I could take one though. At least the beers are super cold. A great people watching place.

I wonder what is this hotel?

[QUOTE=Socker;2109353]Yeah, you never know where the humor will come from, that's a good elevator story. The rooms in the hotel aren't bad. My buddy stayed on the 8th floor and there's a pool on the roof (9th floor). It's a great deal w / tons of lookers down below and a decent but basic room.

I do agree about timing but never worked that aspect yet. I have pulled some fun women out of there. I'll be there in January and it's part of my routine so I'll be checking out the prima donna. Wish I could take one though. At least the beers are super cold. A great people watching place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GypsieKing;2109659]I wonder what is this hotel?[/QUOTE]Hotel was Ambassador. If you go there, the rooms in the Tower Wing are OK. I've been told the main wing rooms are terrible. Location is great. Service is marginal. Breakfast is marginal. My travel buddy loves that hotel, I'd prefer to spend an extra $15 per night for something better.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2109668]Hotel was Ambassador. If you go there, the rooms in the Tower Wing are OK. I've been told the main wing rooms are terrible. Location is great. Service is marginal. Breakfast is marginal. My travel buddy loves that hotel, I'd prefer to spend an extra $15 per night for something better.[/QUOTE]I stayed at Grand President and Citadines just down the street both were good. You have to catch Grand President when the rates are cheap.

I was wondering which gogos in BKK / Pats, if any, provide the kind of visual treat with girls showing their pussies and ass in all possible positions with legs spread open.

It was boring in the places I visited with naked chicks just standing around and doing nothing. If you like a girl and tip her well, will she do it? I personally get aroused a lot more visually and want to be able to look at a hot girl's privates for some time before buying LD and having a chat with her.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2114675]I was wondering which gogos in BKK / Pats, if any, provide the kind of visual treat with girls showing their pussies and ass in all possible positions with legs spread open.[/QUOTE]In Pattaya, the dirtiest is Windmill followed very closely by Crazy House.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2114675]I was wondering which gogos in BKK / Pats, if any, provide the kind of visual treat with girls showing their pussies and ass in all possible positions with legs spread open.

It was boring in the places I visited with naked chicks just standing around and doing nothing. If you like a girl and tip her well, will she do it? I personally get aroused a lot more visually and want to be able to look at a hot girl's privates for some time before buying LD and having a chat with her.[/QUOTE]Bars are not really providing for guys who want to get an open pussy show for free in Bangkok. However some of the more raunchy girls drunk or on substances may squat and move pussy close to your face before you bought a drink for anyone. Crazy House is Bangkok's best example. Long Gun has some nudity too.

I find your post a little self contradictory. Firstly stating "tip her well" and then "able to look at a hot girl's privates for some time before buying LD". If you are the later, I don't think you will continue to do well at CH (Bangkok).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2114706]In Pattaya, the dirtiest is Windmill followed very closely by Crazy House.[/QUOTE]I visited both but didn't stay long enough. A noob mistake which I won't make next time. Windmill eye candy overall was surely better than CH that night. . Thanks for the intel BB.

Not a freeloader here by any means. Sorry if my post was confusing. What I really wanted to ask is if there is any place that works similar to a strip club in the US. Where you would normally sit close to the stage / pole and constantly tip the girl while she is butt naked and gyrating for a full dance and then if you like her enough ask her for a lap dance when she is done with her stage time. Coming to the LOS, do not mind paying the cost of one or two LDs even while she is on stage. The question is whether all or some girls will be up for it? Like I said in my post, I prefer visuals on stage which I did not get enough.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2114744]Bars are not really providing for guys who want to get an open pussy show for free in Bangkok. However some of the more raunchy girls drunk or on substances may squat and move pussy close to your face before you bought a drink for anyone. Crazy House is Bangkok's best example. Long Gun has some nudity too.

I find your post a little self contradictory. Firstly stating "tip her well" and then "able to look at a hot girl's privates for some time before buying LD". If you are the later, I don't think you will continue to do well at CH (Bangkok).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2114744]Bars are not really providing for guys who want to get an open pussy show for free in Bangkok. However some of the more raunchy girls drunk or on substances may squat and move pussy close to your face before you bought a drink for anyone. Crazy House is Bangkok's best example. Long Gun has some nudity too.

I find your post a little self contradictory. Firstly stating "tip her well" and then "able to look at a hot girl's privates for some time before buying LD". If you are the later, I don't think you will continue to do well at CH (Bangkok).[/QUOTE]I don't know about that. When I am tired and don't want to shag a girl for the night, I go to crazy house, sit at the stage and milk one diet coke all night long while looking at pussy. I don't buy a single lady drink on those type of nights and I am never hassled for doing that. I personally think CH is the best place to do that kind of thing. I consider those type of nights reconnaissance missions so I can know which girls to choose on the nights when I do want to shag (which are most nights).

Then again, on the nights when I do want to shag, I definitely do not "look at a hot girl's privates for some time before buying her a LD". I sit away from the stage, get a nude girl within a couple of minutes of entering the place and buy her as many lady drinks as she likes while she grinds nude on my crotch while I feel her body up. And when it's time for her to dance, I grab another to do the same. I'll easy spend 3 to 5000 baht on drinks on those nights. Then more on bar fine and money for the girl.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2114865]I consider those type of nights reconnaissance missions so I can know which girls to choose on the nights when I do want to shag (which are most nights).
[/QUOTE]I stage reconnaissance nights myself, usually after I have just visited a soapy and I am not looking for another session quite so soon thereafter. But, if I spot a girl, a new girl, to my liking, I will ask her over for a drink and a little get to know you time. By the 2nd drink the girl will invariably ask me if I want to barfine her and if I still want her I will say something like yes, I want to barfine you, but I cannot tonight, because yada yada yada, how about tomorrow night? (or another night convenient to me). This sets up a very favorable situation for the next time I visit that Go Go and ask the same girl over.

Hi guys,

I'm a newbie, going to Thailand just second time.

Which places in BKK and Pattaya do you recommend to pick up good looking girls with good service? My budget is 5 000 BHT for a day.

I know main areas, BKK (Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy) , Pattaya (Walking Street, Soi 6, LK Metro) , but I'm looking for specific places (names of the good places that you recommend).

Any suggestions for:

1. A go go.

2. Soapy massage.

3. Bars.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=ThaiMat85;2115410]Hi guys,

I'm a newbie, going to Thailand just second time.

Which places in BKK and Pattaya do you recommend to pick up good looking girls with good service? My budget is 5 000 BHT for a day.

I know main areas, BKK (Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy) , Pattaya (Walking Street, Soi 6, LK Metro) , but I'm looking for specific places (names of the good places that you recommend).

Any suggestions for:

1. A go go.

2. Soapy massage.

3. Bars.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]For 5000 thb a day stay away from gogos for the most part. I am a bit of a cheap charlie and I once spent 1000 thb in a gogo in about 10 minutes. Soi 6 in pattaya has some pretty girls and is inexpensive. I liked naklua Road past the dolphin roundabout. Do you want stunners or just good women who will be fun?

Names of places on soi 6 seems silly to me. Just find a girl that you like the look of then move on if not happy. I think most bars there are interchangeable.

I think the best way to do pattaya is to play it by ear and figure it out yourself.

I didn't mean this to be a negative post, have fun?128522;.

[QUOTE=Bangathon;2107434]Guys, I am an experienced monger from India and have mongered all over India and in Europe. I have been to Thailand before with friends and have tried out soapie at Kristine's and have had some good fun at the regular massage parlors in Bangkok and Phuket. I am planning my solo trip now. Since I will be coming alone I would like to have some good overnight or multiple days GF experience with girls. I have been checking smooci as it is gaining popularity. I wanted to know that what is the general perception about Indian guys in Thailand. I know that a lot of creepy middle aged guys come to Thailand for cheap thrills but is there any way to change this perception? Or are there any reliable places where they do not say NO just because I am an Indian?[/QUOTE]Well there are lot of options for you, I had been to soapy like Nataree, Poisedon and Amsterdam and regularly visit clubs like levels insanity and spasso at grand Hyatt Erawan. Never had any trouble in these places and always had a good experience. If you are mid age than I would recommend spasso at grand Hyatt erawan for you and better to visit after 11 in night. Even I am from Bangalore and according to my experience girls from Bangkok like well behaved urban Indian guys.

Usually problem is there with rural or uneducated guys usually who travel like sheep in a big groups in fact these kind of peoples are not allowed in clubs of our city also, and basically Thailand would be there first international trip.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2115488]Names of places on soi 6 seems silly to me. Just find a girl that you like the look of then move on if not happy. I think most bars there are interchangeable.[/QUOTE]Yes the strategy for Soi 6 is to walk down Soi till you find a girl you like and go with her and just her.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2107514]I will keep it short here but when I have time, I will explain in detail. I am posed as hell with the attitude of Indians.

Being an Indian myself, I found about 90% of us fit perfectly in the following 4 categories. Rude, Loud, Dirty and Cheap and most of these guys couldn't speak English (if you know a little bit about India then you know pretty much everyone educated speaks English very well).

Now tell me why would anyone want to be near them, much less fuck them.

The LOS will do a favor for everyone if they stop issuing visa on arrival for Indians before the hordes turn this beautiful country in to one filthy place just like the towns and cities we have in India.

Don't get me wrong, I saw and met several well educated, well travelled and affluent Indians and they all share the exact same opinion.

My experience was so bad that I have decided to stop flying budget airlines like air Asia altogether for overseas trips.

More to come![/QUOTE]I agree with your view, and would like to add that at 400 usd travel agents arrange a trip of a Thailand for 3 nights including airfare. So after holiday in your town you are foreign returned and in fact one of the few person in your circle who had fucked a foreigner. In fact at this price you can't visit certain places in India for a holiday. This is more than enough to lure these uneducated and rural people to Thailand. Forget airasia, even Thai airways economy class from Bangalore stink like any thing now a days.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2108313]Indian's have a problem being accepted all over the world. I've been in a fortunate position where I have been able to travel extensively for most of my working life, and in my opinion the problem with Indian's has really only been a recent eventuality since the middle class of India have had the resources to travel overseas. In their own backyard the Indian traits that repel most people are contained and only impact on each other. The flaws in Indian culture and behavior are really exposed when they are overseas.

China had a similar problem but did something about it. Living in Beijing in 2003-04 I came across Chinese Government initiatives where they actively took measures to inform their population how they should act and behave when overseas, I'm not too sure these initiatives are still in place these days. It will be up to others to judge how effective these initiatives have been, but I would always prefer to mix with Chinese when overseas than Indians.[/QUOTE]1 avoid visiting gogo or club in big group.

2 use good perfume.

3 avoid shorts, cheap round t-shirt and pyjamas.

4 don't bargain or haggle much.

5 don't act over smart.

6 please don't try to spend whole night in club or gogo with 1 drink in hand.

7 remember you can flirt with girl but be gentlemen and avoid touching her without her consent.

8 paying up girl doesn't mean she is your property, treat her with dignity.

Just because of these problem at some places we are getting bad name.

IN short if you are well dressed urban guy, who can spend required amount of money, they will pamper you.

Well government can't issue these sort of advisory.

I spent about 5 months in thailand. I left a week ago and am now in Cambodia. I want to go back to Thailand for about 6 weeks. Do I just travel back there and in a month get a visa extension from an immigration office? When I was there before I went to immigration office for 1 month extension, but went to Malaysia to the thai embassy for 3 month extension. I didn't understand all what was going on then, I just did what I was told. Do i need to go to a thai embassy here in cambodia before going back to thailand?

I hope my question is clear. Thank you for any advice or help.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2121090]I spent about 5 months in thailand. I left a week ago and am now in Cambodia. I want to go back to Thailand for about 6 weeks. Do I just travel back there and in a month get a visa extension from an immigration office? When I was there before I went to immigration office for 1 month extension, but went to Malaysia to the thai embassy for 3 month extension. I didn't understand all what was going on then, I just did what I was told. Do i need to go to a thai embassy here in cambodia before going back to thailand?

I hope my question is clear. Thank you for any advice or help.[/QUOTE]The Thai government have been cracking down on people coming in on tourist visas and staying for a long time. Probably because a lot of people work there on tourist visas. The new rules are that you can only get 4 free visas a year. I don't know how this works with extensions. You may have no problem, but on the other hand they may think you are working and refuse to give you an extension. I'd have a back up plan if I were you. I personally have been to Bangkok about 6 or 7 times this year but always for short trips, so they haven't worried about my staying. I haven't stayed for more than 4 days on any trip, once I was only there for 10 hours.

The immigration staff have a lot of flexibility, I believe, but staying for 5 months, leaving for a week and returning may make them think you are working there. You can get multiple entry tourist visas, this would make things easier for you.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2121256]The new rules are that you can only get 4 free visas a year. [/QUOTE]Seriously? That's ridiculous. When I am staying in Asia (I don't stay full time in Thailand), I fly into Bangkok on a "free visa" and spend a few days every couple of weeks. I haven't been to Thailand in probably 6 months, but I find it very hard to believe that they are going to block tourists like myself or like the Japanese golf circuit from coming to Bangkok on weekends.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2121256]The new rules are that you can only get 4 free visas a year.[/QUOTE]I've heard 6. Do you have any links to back this up? I'm on my 4th one for a year with 2 extensions.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2121090]I spent about 5 months in thailand. I left a week ago and am now in Cambodia. I want to go back to Thailand for about 6 weeks. Do I just travel back there and in a month get a visa extension from an immigration office? When I was there before I went to immigration office for 1 month extension, but went to Malaysia to the thai embassy for 3 month extension. I didn't understand all what was going on then, I just did what I was told. Do i need to go to a thai embassy here in cambodia before going back to thailand?

I hope my question is clear. Thank you for any advice or help.[/QUOTE]That's what been doing on my 4th stamp with 2 extensions went to the Philippines for two weeks in between (not a bad plan by the way). Don't see why that'd be a problem my understanding is they will warn you to get a visa for the next trip if you're getting to many.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2121268]Seriously? That's ridiculous. When I am staying in Asia (I don't stay full time in Thailand), I fly into Bangkok on a "free visa" and spend a few days every couple of weeks. I haven't been to Thailand in probably 6 months, but I find it very hard to believe that they are going to block tourists like myself or like the Japanese golf circuit from coming to Bangkok on weekends.[/QUOTE]I read that the limit is only applied to "back to back" visa runs.

[QUOTE=HornyBabaji;2115566]1 avoid visiting gogo or club in big group.

2 use good perfume.

3 avoid shorts, cheap round t-shirt and pyjamas.

4 don't bargain or haggle much.

5 don't act over smart.

6 please don't try to spend whole night in club or gogo with 1 drink in hand.

7 remember you can flirt with girl but be gentlemen and avoid touching her without her consent.

8 paying up girl doesn't mean she is your property, treat her with dignity.

Just because of these problem at some places we are getting bad name.

IN short if you are well dressed urban guy, who can spend required amount of money, they will pamper you.

Well government can't issue these sort of advisory.[/QUOTE]Don't wear any perfume of cologne. Just shower and put on some deodorant. Most Thai gals really don't like fragrances on men. Other than that you are spot on.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2121340]Don't wear any perfume of cologne. Just shower and put on some deodorant. Most Thai gals really don't like fragrances on men. Other than that you are spot on.[/QUOTE]Since when is a cheap thing like a deodorant better than a designer brand product like a perfume? Or do you mean an antiperspirant? I can see the point of the latter.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2121340]Don't wear any perfume of cologne. Just shower and put on some deodorant. Most Thai gals really don't like fragrances on men. Other than that you are spot on.[/QUOTE]Showering is a must, of course. With soap liberally applied to the armpits, feet and nether regions, not just a water rinse. But showering does no good if the person insists on wearing the same shirt he wore and perspired in at a previous time without first laundering it. So, guys, shower with soap and water every day and wear those shirts only ONCE before laundering. Re-wearing shorts or trousers a second time is not as much a no-no but I wouldn't recommend doing that very often either.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2121441]Showering is a must, of course. With soap liberally applied to the armpits, feet and nether regions, not just a water rinse. But showering does no good if the person insists on wearing the same shirt he wore and perspired in at a previous time without first laundering it. So, guys, shower with soap and water every day and wear those shirts only ONCE before laundering. Re-wearing shorts or trousers a second time is not as much a no-no but I wouldn't recommend doing that very often either.[/QUOTE]Ugh I'm brown and the fact we have to have this kind of conversation on how to be a normal clean human being is ridiculous. Agreed with all the other folks in this thread on how 90% of brown people act. I avoid hard core even in the US since there's a heavy chance they are socially awkward, have bad hygiene, are clingy because they see a fellow brown person, or are just unnecessarily arrogant / cheap.

Good to know about the tips that brown people's rep is known in Thailand and I should overindex on avoiding fulfilling any of the stereotypes.

I finally locked in my tickets. I'll be going to Thailand flying into Bangkok at the beginning of February on the 8th and staying there for a week til the 15th when I fly to India for a wedding before flying back to San Francisco via Hong Kong with a nice two day stopover.

I'm trying to figure out how I should split my week in Thailand. How many days are recommended between Bangkok vs Phuket or pattaya. I usually monger a lot and do lots of sessions. In previous trips to Germany I fucked 22 women in 20 sessions in a week with initial days being like 5/6 sessions daily and then tapering off.

While in Thailand I'm looking forward to food, maybe some time on beaches, escorts (I always dig a good guaranteed experience and the rates for 6-24 hour escorts are uber cheap imo), barfining (probably try beer bars and gogos both), maybe hit up some clubs for dancing, soapies since I've never tried it, and just whatever debauchery and depraved experiences I can find. Also love drinking and smoking though I'll try and balance this since it fucks with libido and I know drugs in Thailand are uber sketch.

I've mongered in German FKK, Montreal and London agencies, tijuana recently, heard amazing things about Thailand and I love Asian girls in general. Big fan of kink (Greek, domination giving, role play, threesomes etc), as well as the idea of a huge that extends through a day trip with a Girl if I like her a lot.

I don't know difference between Phuket and Pattaya beyond Pattaya is huge for sex industry so I hear, though Bangkok seems like more commercial as a city and better escort agencies but probably more competition too.

Hotels wise it sounds like just picking a hotel from other thread near nana and cowboy is probably fine for Bangkok? Still researching pattaya.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2121441]Showering is a must, of course. With soap liberally applied to the armpits, feet and nether regions, not just a water rinse. But showering does no good if the person insists on wearing the same shirt he wore and perspired in at a previous time without first laundering it. So, guys, shower with soap and water every day and wear those shirts only ONCE before laundering. Re-wearing shorts or trousers a second time is not as much a no-no but I wouldn't recommend doing that very often either.[/QUOTE]And never, ever eat Indian food.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2121268]Seriously? That's ridiculous. When I am staying in Asia (I don't stay full time in Thailand), I fly into Bangkok on a "free visa" and spend a few days every couple of weeks. I haven't been to Thailand in probably 6 months, but I find it very hard to believe that they are going to block tourists like myself or like the Japanese golf circuit from coming to Bangkok on weekends.[/QUOTE]I believe it's pretty discretionary on the part of the immigration officials. It's basically to stop people effectively living in Bangkok and just doing visa runs to stay legal. As I said, I've been to Thailand around 6 or 7 times this year without a problem, but they have been really short trips. It's clear I'm not lving there. I did get asked once how long I was staying for, it was only 10 hours that trip.

There is also a rule that you cannot have more than 2 visa free entries if you cross a land border. I've been told this by many people but haven't crossed myself. This is widely reported on other forums for expats living in Laos who cross over regularly to shop. I don't have any sources but this was discussed somewhere on this forum earlier in the year and the first person who mentioned it did give the source.

Again, this is just for the government to get rid of people living there without proper paperwork.

If you want the real answers go to [URL]thaivisa.com[/URL]. From what I have read there is no limit to visa on arrival by air transport. That does not mean they will not question you. As for getting tourist visas at embassies, same answer. No written law about limits. They do have some detailed requirements like proof of finances, onward travel out of Thailand, proof of hotel booking etc etc etc etc etc etc. These requirements vary from embassy to embassy and still when you arrive you might get some questions. But pretty unusual to get turned away. Also when you stamp in with 30 days you can extend that by 30 days by going to immigration and paying I think 1,900 baht. Take 2 passport pics with you.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2121441]Showering is a must, of course. With soap liberally applied to the armpits, feet and nether regions, not just a water rinse. [/QUOTE]I never use soap when I shower. It's bad for your skin. Sometimes I shower with the girls and it always strikes me they use a lot of soap, even for their pussies which is really bad.

I do use a washcloth however and I always rinse my armpits and groin thoroughly.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2121474]If you want the real answers go to [URL]thaivisa.com[/URL]. From what I have read there is no limit to visa on arrival by air transport. That does not mean they will not question you. As for getting tourist visas at embassies, same answer. No written law about limits. [/QUOTE]I've always understood you cannot stay more than 90 days over a period of 6 months.

"Foreigners who enter the Kingdom under the Tourist Visa Exemption Scheme may re-enter and stay in Thailand for a cumulative duration of stay of not exceeding 90 days within any 6-month period from the date of first entry. "

However this 'within any 6-month period from the date of first entry' has always puzzled me.
This year I have been in Thailand in June, July, August and November for a total of 72 days.
If I go back in January will they restart counting because it's a new year? Will it be considered as a new 'first entry'?
Or will they look back 6 months and include the number of days I stayed there in August and November?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2121570]I've always understood you cannot stay more than 90 days over a period of 6 months.

"Foreigners who enter the Kingdom under the Tourist Visa Exemption Scheme may re-enter and stay in Thailand for a cumulative duration of stay of not exceeding 90 days within any 6-month period from the date of first entry. "

However this 'within any 6-month period from the date of first entry' has always puzzled me.
This year I have been in Thailand in June, July, August and November for a total of 72 days.
If I go back in January will they restart counting because it's a new year? Will it be considered as a new 'first entry'?
Or will they look back 6 months and include the number of days I stayed there in August and November?[/QUOTE]This is out dated from 2014 and was only enforced for a short period of time. I've been here 120 days with a two week break in between no problem. I should get the retirement Visa but it's a real hassle with the income verification process which is sad cause I'd stay longer without this issue. That said pretty sure they don't reset at the new year but use your travel dates.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2121561]I never use soap when I shower. It's bad for your skin. Sometimes I shower with the girls and it always strikes me they use a lot of soap, even for their pussies which is really bad.

I do use a washcloth however and I always rinse my armpits and groin thoroughly.[/QUOTE]Unless using a new one every time, washcloths and bath sponges are really bad. A lot of bacteria can build up on those between showers.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2121570]I've always understood you cannot stay more than 90 days over a period of 6 months.[/QUOTE]Apparently the 90 day rule does not apply. I found the following update from 27 Nov 2017. After 6 visas in one year you may be questioned about your trips and it confirms the 2 land crossing a year.

[URL]http://www.thaivisaservice.com/visa-rules[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2121561]I never use soap when I shower. It's bad for your skin. Sometimes I shower with the girls and it always strikes me they use a lot of soap, even for their pussies which is really bad.

I do use a washcloth however and I always rinse my armpits and groin thoroughly.[/QUOTE]There is certainly a valid school of thought about the over use of soap in modern times. After all, we survived and evolved over hundreds of thousands of years without soap, shampoo, anti-perspirant and even hot water.

Then again, I was not around back then to find out how enthused about blowing me those cave women would have been. LOL.

But I do agree with you about Thai girls going at their vaginas with soap. Not generally good chemistry. The body already does a very good job of cleansing itself when it comes to that particular input. That survival/evolution thing again. If anything, some women with funky smelling vaginas might actually be creating that problem by introducing too many soapy chemicals into it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2121615]
Then again, I was not around back then to find out how enthused about blowing me those cave women would have been. LOL.[/QUOTE]Actually I think you have been around. I believe we reincarnate as mongers time after time.
Or was it a wet dream?

[QUOTE=Zman429;2121585]This is out dated from 2014 and was only enforced for a short period of time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2121597]Apparently the 90 day rule does not apply.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys! These visa rules seem to change quite a lot.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2121615]
..... Cut...... Thai girls going at their vaginas with soap. Not generally good chemistry. The body already does a very good job of cleansing itself when it comes to that particular input. That survival/evolution thing again. If anything, some women with funky smelling vaginas might actually be creating that problem by introducing too many soapy chemicals into it.[/QUOTE]Many of these ladies are quite conscious of cleaning their v with some kind of ph? Balanced formula that they pull out of their purse when headed to the shower. Rarely have I encountered funky smells. More instances of that in north america (not near as hot here) LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2121615]There is certainly a valid school of thought about the over use of soap in modern times. After all, we survived and evolved over hundreds of thousands of years without soap, shampoo, anti-perspirant and even hot water.[/QUOTE]I know a guy who spent a year back in the 60's driving a VW bus through Afghanistan and India doing drugs. He said he didn't shower even once in that year. He says after you reach a certain level of dirty, you don't even notice it anymore.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2121615]There is certainly a valid school of thought about the over use of soap in modern times. After all, we survived and evolved over hundreds of thousands of years without soap, shampoo, anti-perspirant and even hot water.[/QUOTE]Well just 100 years ago, people were pretty happy to see their 50th birthday so. Viagra.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2121864]I know a guy who spent a year back in the 60's driving a VW bus through Afghanistan and India doing drugs. He said he didn't shower even once in that year. He says after you reach a certain level of dirty, you don't even notice it anymore.[/QUOTE]I imagine you don't notice it after a certain period, like eating garlic maybe. Problem is everyone else does notice it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2121615]There is certainly a valid school of thought about the over use of soap in modern times. After all, we survived and evolved over hundreds of thousands of years without soap, shampoo, anti-perspirant and even hot water.

Then again, I was not around back then to find out how enthused about blowing me those cave women would have been. LOL.

But I do agree with you about Thai girls going at their vaginas with soap. Not generally good chemistry. The body already does a very good job of cleansing itself when it comes to that particular input. That survival/evolution thing again. If anything, some women with funky smelling vaginas might actually be creating that problem by introducing too many soapy chemicals into it.[/QUOTE]I don't know about you, but I like to do DATY and make some girls cum from it (some success rate). That is based on clean pussy. I did not like to do DATY on my ex Farang Wife. Smelly pussy and tasted bad. I am a very mouth oriented person, liking DFK and DATY, and BBBJ, 69, etc. I lick her asshole if she likes it and is clean no odour.

Yes bar Soap is normally an Alkaline product that is bad for pussy and actually not that good in general. Fungal infections like an Alkaline environment and not acidic, which is why bathing with vinegar in the bath is good for pussy health, and girls have special cleansers that are neutral or slightly acidic. Alkaline soap can also be bad for your dick, possibly promoting yeast infections. I use gels for cleaning under arms and rest of body and do not like bar soaps generally. My nose works too well, so at least I know myself when I stink. Thai girls usually have sensitive noses too. Many guys that stink do not know. I guess they are used to it.

I could not stand in line at a currency exchange with a group of Arabs. They seemed oblivious to the foul BO stench. Arab ladies must be accustomed to it, and don't notice?

Today I was chatting to a Thai woman in a Thai grocery shop. Some guy walked in and immediately I could smell the BO stink, before I had even looked in his direction. Turned out to be Farang of some type (not SE Asian). Was extremely unlikely to be a Thai or any SE Asian. They have zero or very few Aprocrine glands under arms to make the stink. Occasionally get in stinky Taxis but that is rarely from BO of the Driver. Usually from previous customers, cigarettes, etc.

Clearly different cultures are used to different amounts of stink. Some cultures hardly notice bad BO that irritates my nose so much. My nose is quite intolerant. I am just not accustomed to it. Spend most time in hot climates with Thais and OS mostly cold climates where bad BO is not so prevalent. I can't even eat much garlic, especially Farang varieties of garlic (Thai garlic seems less smelly) as the taste/smell lingers too long and makes me hate myself. Can't eat raw onions, for same reason.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2122353]I don't know about you, but I like to do DATY and make some girls cum from it (some success rate). That is based on clean pussy. [/QUOTE]Same here. However, I am not a stickler about the girl washing thoroughly right before DATY as long as she is shaved smooth and known to be a generally clean person anyway. In Thailand, such a person will have water rinsed during every trip to the toilet or any time she suspects things are not quite clean as she'd like it to be. It isn't as though no water has washed across her pussy since yesterday's shower. I am willing and sometimes even prefer to DATY for such a girl just arriving in the room from the outside, feeling it will at most be just her natural, generally clean body and normal tastes and smells I encounter. And it is my opinion that DATY feels better to a woman who has gotten a bit moist for you on that first hug and kiss through the door. Why change the subject and start from zero again by washing all that goodness away before diving in?

Weird thing is, a few Thai girls I have known who kept themselves shaved but rarely left evidence of serious showering have had some of the best tasting pussies I've ever had, or the most neutral tasting pussies I've ever had. Seriously. A couple of my regulars in the past and currently hardly leave more than a damp towel in the bathroom after whatever it is they call showering, there is very little water on the floor, no evidence of much if any liquid bath soap being used, etc. Yet they have had the most neutral smelling bodies and most inviting smelling and tasting pussies of all. With some girls it seems they just can't screw up the naturally great chemistry going on inside them no matter what the weather or bathing conditions.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2122362]Same here. However, I am not a stickler about the girl washing thoroughly right before DATY as long as she is shaved smooth and known to be a generally clean person anyway. In Thailand, such a person will have water rinsed during every trip to the toilet or any time she suspects things are not quite clean as she'd like to be. It isn't as though no water has washed across her pussy since yesterday's shower. I am willing and sometimes even prefer to DATY for such a girl just in from the outside, feeling it will at most be just her natural, generally clean body and normal tastes and smells I encounter. And it is my opinion that DATY feels better to a woman who has gotten a bit moist for you on that first hug and kiss through the door. Why change the subject and start from zero again by washing all that goodness away before diving in?

Weird thing is, a few Thai girls I have known who kept themselves shaved but rarely left evidence of serious showering have had some of the best tasting pussies I've ever had, or the most neutral tasting pussies I've ever had. Seriously. A couple of my regulars in the past and currently hardly leave more than a damp towel in the bathroom after whatever it is they call showering, there is very little water on the floor, no evidence of much if any liquid bath soap being used. Yet they have had the most neutral smelling bodies and most inviting smelling and tasting pussies of all. With some girls it seems they just can't screw up the naturally great chemistry going on in them no matter what the weather or bathing conditions.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you. Thai gals tend to have very sweet natural tasting snatches. Their bodies also for the most part have a very pleasing natural aroma. I don't find that with other Asians so to speak. I also prefer au natural and would rather get right to it as opposed to showering. I am always fastidious and make sure I am freshly showered before heading for a sesh. Back in my Thermae days I would make sure she did not shower before we went at it. They'd say, "Shower shower" and I'd say, "After!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2122353]My nose works too well, so at least I know myself when I stink. Thai girls usually have sensitive noses too. Many guys that stink do not know. I guess they are used to it.

I could not stand in line at a currency exchange with a group of Arabs. They seemed oblivious to the foul BO stench. Arab ladies must be accustomed to it, and don't notice?

Today I was chatting to a Thai woman in a Thai grocery shop. Some guy walked in and immediately I could smell the BO stink, before I had even looked in his direction. Turned out to be Farang of some type (not SE Asian). Was extremely unlikely to be a Thai or any SE Asian. They have zero or very few Aprocrine glands under arms to make the stink. Occasionally get in stinky Taxis but that is rarely from BO of the Driver. Usually from previous customers, cigarettes, etc.

Clearly different cultures are used to different amounts of stink. Some cultures hardly notice bad BO that irritates my nose so much. My nose is quite intolerant. I am just not accustomed to it. Spend most time in hot climates with Thais and OS mostly cold climates where bad BO is not so prevalent. I can't even eat much garlic, especially Farang varieties of garlic (Thai garlic seems less smelly) as the taste/smell lingers too long and makes me hate myself. Can't eat raw onions, for same reason.[/QUOTE]It is likewise my pet peeve. I don't know how some of the girls put up with it. Most Thai and Indonesian girls do not smell too bad even though some are sweating for a while. Many Western guys and gals smell. The worst are the Indians and Pakistani guys and gals. Black Africans likewise have strong odor. I usually don't have an issue with the few Middle Eastern Arabs I come across.

I suspect it depends on the bacteria you have growing on you. I know that I can smell after sweating for 4 hours. Hence, if it is hot, I make sure I wash regularly. The difference is that I usually have access to a place to wash if I am outside and sweating.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2122353]Was extremely unlikely to be a Thai or any SE Asian. They have zero or very few Aprocrine glands under arms to make the stink.[/QUOTE]If you go to Vietnam and take local or city buses, there's plenty of body odor around. Similar in Indonesia, though to a lesser degree. [I]Maybe[/I] less than there would be if it were full of Indians, but SE Asians are not entirely immune to body odor, it's just that a huge majority of Thais keep really good hygiene and shower often.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2122632]If you go to Vietnam and take local or city buses, there's plenty of body odor around. Similar in Indonesia, though to a lesser degree. [I]Maybe[/I] less than there would be if it were full of Indians, but SE Asians are not entirely immune to body odor, it's just that a huge majority of Thais keep really good hygiene and shower often.[/QUOTE]Frequent showering helps Thais avoid bacteria getting into any glands they might have. Thais workers came off the roof into the lift of the Hotel very hot and sweaty. No odour at all. Lift stopped at another floor and two Arabs got in. The stink was severe. We had to wonder how long since the last shower. LOL Or did they put on clothes that were already stinky?

However it is a medically proven fact that Thais and some other SE Asians have very few Aprocrine Glands. These are the glands that excrete oils and for some people a lot of bacteria have been breeding inside the gland. Large hole allowed the bacteria in and out. The bacteria coming out is the cause of the acrid stink. It is a much worse stink than odours caused by diet. Anyone can search the internet and read all about this. A person with the bacteria breeding problem in large amounts, can take a shower, yet within an hour or two more oil and bacteria have come out and they can start to stink again already. So it is not so easy to solve the problem. Thais are fortunate to have few Aprocrine glands and possibly very small ones (under armpits), then good cleaning regimes may have kept the bacteria out or at bay.

Asians in general both men and women have much less body odor than a Farang, Indian, etc. I play a lot of sports and it can be pretty smelly tackling some guys.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2122632]If you go to Vietnam and take local or city buses, there's plenty of body odor around. Similar in Indonesia, though to a lesser degree. [I]Maybe[/I] less than there would be if it were full of Indians, but SE Asians are not entirely immune to body odor, it's just that a huge majority of Thais keep really good hygiene and shower often.[/QUOTE]There are some additional factors:

1. Indian sub continent people, Turkish, Arabs, Indonesians, Malaysian, Filipinos etc, tend to wear shirts for Multiple days, before they are washed. Also, they may not use a lot of soap to wash, and usually do not use hot dryer to dry after a wash, mostly without the use of a product like Bounce or Febreeze spray in the dryer.

So, clothes, particularly shirts, smell due to bacteria collection and growth over several days.

2. Same issue with the bed sheets they sleep on, underwear they use etc, if not washed and cleaned with deodorizers in a hot dryer then it collects and the bacteria multiplies.

3. Sometimes spicy food, not just Indian, Malaysian, Indonesian, Singaporean, Szechuan, Korean (kimchi) food, all have some unique odors come out through the sweat glands (but usually if you are also eating kimchi or Indian with them, then due to relativity of smell at work, you might not detect it as much.). But others will, particularly in confined spaces, like an elevator, where there is no air circulation. Korean with Kimchi odors , Turks with meat odors , Szechuan region Chinese, big garlic users like Sicilians etc are just like Indian (Punjabi , or fish curry from Calcutta, for example ) all have odors that are distinctly different and discernible, distinguishable....

So, yeah IMO, many factors at work. Science of smell is actually a degree at Harvard. LOL. I know a guy with an actual PhD in this from Harvard.

I have this Thai girl from Isaan, from a farm, who does not use deodorant. She does not like my Axe deodorant. I enjoy chasing her around pretending to spay my Axe on her. LOL. Many Thai girls are not particularly impressed with perfume bottles as gifts. I track many of them on Facebook. It is incredibly rare to see any of them show a bottle of perfume as a gift for their birthday ! Whereas in the US or Europe this would be very common. Many of my Dominican or other Latin friends on the other hand totally love it when I bring them perfume bottles as gifts. Some wait for me to return every year or 6-9months just for a new 100ML bottle of quality perfume. Some girls in Latin America are even unisex about it and ask me to spray men’s cologne like “Chanel pour homme “. on them ! So, yes, there are many cultural differences on this score...I love to have my women smell good and so I always travel with women’s perfumes...LOL ! Very important for me...

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2122362]
Weird thing is, a few Thai girls I have known who kept themselves shaved but rarely left evidence of serious showering have had some of the best tasting pussies I've ever had, or the most neutral tasting pussies I've ever had. Seriously. A couple of my regulars in the past and currently hardly leave more than a damp towel in the bathroom after whatever it is they call showering, there is very little water on the floor, no evidence of much if any liquid bath soap being used, etc. Yet they have had the most neutral smelling bodies and most inviting smelling and tasting pussies of all. With some girls it seems they just can't screw up the naturally great chemistry going on inside them no matter what the weather or bathing conditions.[/QUOTE]Did you ever ask these girls if they already showered at home? In my experience quite a lot of girls do that. Not bar girls or streetwalkers but freelancers found on the internet.

[QUOTE=Haven123;2122683]There are some additional factors:

1. Turkish, Arabs, Indonesians, Malaysian, Filipinos etc, tend to wear shirts for Multiple days, before they are washed. Also, they may not use a lot of soap to wash, and usually do not use hot dryer to dry after a wash, mostly without the use of a product like Bounce or Febreeze spray in the dryer.

<SNIP> [/QUOTE]I suggest you haven't spent much time with Asian families at all mate (particularly a filipino family), or you would know that the Philippines is probably the number 1 threat to pollution of the planet's waterways. I reckon the same could be said about Thailand, Laos and Indonesia too.

Filipino washer women (called lavenderas in the local language) use a shitload of soap, detergent, fabric softeners and other stuff to make their clothes clean and white clothes whiter than white.

Soap powders are a HUGE industry in the Philippines. Strong sunlight is a much better anti-bacterial than a dryer too. Not sure where you're coming from with your analysis Haven. Sit and watch a person at work washing clothes by hand and see how much soap they use.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2122741]Did you ever ask these girls if they already showered at home? In my experience quite a lot of girls do that. Not bar girls or streetwalkers but freelancers found on the internet.[/QUOTE]No, I didn't ask. My observations were of their showering behavior after being out with me all day or after a shag and before sleeping, many of the times when someone would ordinarily take a shower. There was evidence that some water had splashed around sparingly. But they might not have even used a regular bath towel to dry off, only a small hand towel, and that wasn't even all that wet because so little water had been used. Every now and then they would wash their hair and then there would be more evidence of the shower nozzle being on for longer than usual for them.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2122746]I suggest you haven't spent much time with Asian families at all mate (particularly a filipino family), or you would know that the Philippines is probably the number 1 threat to pollution of the planet's waterways. I reckon the same could be said about Thailand, Laos and Indonesia too.
[/QUOTE]I have to wonder if Haven's comment was lost in Translation somehow, as seemed to have a lot of negatives indicating what people might NOT do rather than what they actually do. I could be wrong, but wonder why all the "nots" and negatives.

[QUOTE=Haven123;2122683]There are some additional factors:

1. Indian sub continent people, Turkish, Arabs, Indonesians, Malaysian, Filipinos etc, tend to wear shirts for Multiple days, before they are washed. Also, they may not use a lot of soap to wash, and usually do not use hot dryer to dry after a wash, mostly without the use of a product like Bounce or Febreeze spray in the dryer.

So, clothes, particularly shirts, smell due to bacteria collection and growth over several days.

2. Same issue with the bed sheets they sleep on, underwear they use etc, if not washed and cleaned with deodorizers in a hot dryer then it collects and the bacteria multiplies.

3. Sometimes spicy food, not just Indian, Malaysian, Indonesian, Singaporean, Szechuan, Korean (kimchi) food, all have some unique odors come out through the sweat glands (but usually if you are also eating kimchi or Indian with them, then due to relativity of smell at work, you might not detect it as much.). But others will, particularly in confined spaces, like an elevator, where there is no air circulation. Korean with Kimchi odors , Turks with meat odors , Szechuan region Chinese, big garlic users like Sicilians etc are just like Indian (Punjabi , or fish curry from Calcutta, for example ) all have odors that are distinctly different and discernible, distinguishable....

So, yeah IMO, many factors at work. Science of smell is actually a degree at Harvard. LOL. I know a guy with an actual PhD in this from Harvard.

I have this Thai girl from Isaan, from a farm, who does not use deodorant. She does not like my Axe deodorant. I enjoy chasing her around pretending to spay my Axe on her. LOL. Many Thai girls are not particularly impressed with perfume bottles as gifts. I track many of them on Facebook. It is incredibly rare to see any of them show a bottle of perfume as a gift for their birthday ! [/QUOTE] I have not noticed Thai girls wearing a shirt multiple days even if they have no detectable body odour. None of my Thai girls have any body odours at all (apart from smoking odours), that I can detect. One Thai girl I know years ago had bad breath but that was a stomach infection cured by antibiotics.

Yes quite correct that a shower is useless if put back on a shirt with stinky underarms. Some people do that. I prefer to sniff check at very close range under arms of a shirt after a shower and before putting it back on so I am knowing when it should be replaced (for certain). Can't always replace it if in an MP (away from home) , but at least know it should be replaced very soon. Very stinky shirts can be detected from metres away. No close sniffing needed.

As a child I recall meeting whole families from Eastern Europe who all reeked of "Garlic" most likely or some food combination, however those odours are not quite as obnoxious as the bacterial breeding type.

I don't like the smell of very strong cheap colonges used by some, and perhaps Thai girls do not also, however I find most Thai girls are into good quality perfumes of a subtle variety. They often ask me to buy them perfumes that they like, especially Lancme ones (not cheap). One of my main Thai girls suggests she likes guys to wear some nice scent too, so I have done so for her, however this seems unusual. She was the only one to suggest it. However far more important is the shower with careful dick, ass, and underarm clean before sex, and also teeth and tongue cleaning.

I also don't find many Thai girls willing to have sex if they did not very recently shower themselves. They are also reluctant to kiss in the morning before going to clean their mouth. So Thai girls like to be confidently very clean and expect the guys to be likewise.

Strong cologne does not really compensate for, or hide bad BO. Just makes it all the more sickly.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2123381]I have not noticed Thai girls wearing a shirt multiple days even if they have no detectable body odour. None of my Thai girls have any body odours at all (apart from smoking odours.[/QUOTE]The post was about guys. Not about the girls body odor (which I agree is not an issue generally) or using shirts for multiple days without washing.

While we're on the subject of cleanliness and body odor, I am not sure if anyone has mentioned exfoliating away the dead skin cells once or twice a week in the shower. This is especially good for men and women over the age of 50 or so. Some say the old skin cells still clinging to the surface of your skin contributes to that "old person smell" that is offensive to virtually everyone.

Pick up a couple of those rough surface gloves, a dollar or two I guess, in Boots, Watson's or almost any drugstore along with a granular scrub foam or lotion. Doesn't have to be an expensive brand as the scrubbing action with the gloves is what matters most I think. Squeeze out a dab about the size of a grape onto one gloved hand, rub it into a foam with the other gloved hand and get to work scrubbing on everything other than your dick and balls from around your ankles, up your legs, butt, shoulders, arms, hands, neck, ears and the less sensitive parts of the face. The whole thing shouldn't take more than an extra minute or two in the shower. Squeeze and rinse out the excess foam from the gloves and leave them nearby for the next time. Twice a week is probably plenty to keep your skin fresh and free of any associated odor.

If you have never done it before and are over the age of 50, the first time might produce a revolting swirl of brown gunk going down the drain underfoot. That was clinging to the surface of your body! And there is no reason to believe it smelled just fine! The next couple of times there will be less of that but those dead skin cells are still being scrubbed away. Just add this 2 minute procedure to your shower once or twice week.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2123411]While we're on the subject of cleanliness and body odor, I am not sure if anyone has mentioned exfoliating away the dead skin cells once or twice a week in the shower. This is especially good for men and women over the age of 50 or so. Some say the old skin cells still clinging to the surface of your skin contributes to that "old person smell" that is offensive to virtually everyone.

Pick up a couple of those rough surface gloves, a dollar or two I guess, in Boots, Watson's or almost any drugstore along with a granular scrub foam or lotion. Doesn't have to be an expensive brand as the scrubbing action with the gloves is what matters most I think. Squeeze out a dab about the size of a grape onto one gloved hand, rub it into a foam with the other gloved hand and get to work scrubbing on everything other than your dick and balls from around your ankles, up your legs, butt, shoulders, arms, hands, neck, ears and the less sensitive parts of the face. The whole thing shouldn't take more than an extra minute or two in the shower. Squeeze and rinse out the excess foam from the gloves and leave them nearby for the next time. Twice a week is probably plenty to keep your skin fresh and free of any associated odor.

If you have never done it before and are over the age of 50, the first time might produce a revolting swirl of brown gunk going down the drain underfoot. That was clinging to the surface of your body! And there is no reason to believe it smelled just fine! The next couple of times there will be less of that but those dead skin cells are still being scrubbed away. Just add this 2 minute procedure to your shower once or twice week.[/QUOTE]Good to hear these simple tips. Cheers for raising it.

[QUOTE=Haven123;2123391]The post was about guys. Not about the girls body odor (which I agree is not an issue generally) or using shirts for multiple days without washing.[/QUOTE]Sorry to switch to girls. Can only talk about what I have experienced. I have no clue how often Thai men change shirts. Have occasionally met a stinky taxi driver, but not that often.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2123411]While we're on the subject of cleanliness and body odor, I am not sure if anyone has mentioned exfoliating away the dead skin cells once or twice a week in the shower. This is especially good for men and women over the age of 50 or so. Some say the old skin cells still clinging to the surface of your skin contributes to that "old person smell" that is offensive to virtually everyone.
[/QUOTE]This is a very interesting topic to me. I do notice the "old person" smell on some others, even my mother for example. It would be very naïve to think my own skin smells perfect even if I cannot notice anything. I bet young Thai girls can detect old skin odour. Thai girls are very keen to clean or scrub off the "Khee Khlai" (dead skin), which seems unnatural.

I particularly notice that older people have much more problems with bad breath compared to young people. Children rarely seem to have bad breath, teenagers not much, and so on.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2123411]While we're on the subject of cleanliness and body odor, I am not sure if anyone has mentioned exfoliating away the dead skin cells once or twice a week in the shower. This is especially good for men and women over the age of 50 or so. Some say the old skin cells still clinging to the surface of your skin contributes to that "old person smell" that is offensive to virtually everyone.
[/QUOTE]This is a very interesting topic to me. I do notice the "old person" smell on some others, even my mother for example. It would be very naïve to think my own skin smells perfect even if I cannot notice anything. I bet young Thai girls can detect old skin odour. Thai girls are very keen to clean or scrub off the "Khee Khlai" (dead skin), which seems unnatural, and they probably don't need to.

I particularly notice that older people have much more problems with bad breath compared to young people. Children rarely seem to have bad breath, teenagers not much, and so on.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2123411]While we're on the subject of cleanliness and body odor, I am not sure if anyone has mentioned exfoliating away the dead skin cells once or twice a week in the shower. This is especially good for men and women over the age of 50 or so. Some say the old skin cells still clinging to the surface of your skin contributes to that "old person smell" that is offensive to virtually everyone.

Pick up a couple of those rough surface gloves, a dollar or two I guess, in Boots, Watson's or almost any drugstore along with a granular scrub foam or lotion. Doesn't have to be an expensive brand as the scrubbing action with the gloves is what matters most I think. Squeeze out a dab about the size of a grape onto one gloved hand, rub it into a foam with the other gloved hand and get to work scrubbing on everything other than your dick and balls from around your ankles, up your legs, butt, shoulders, arms, hands, neck, ears and the less sensitive parts of the face. The whole thing shouldn't take more than an extra minute or two in the shower. Squeeze and rinse out the excess foam from the gloves and leave them nearby for the next time. Twice a week is probably plenty to keep your skin fresh and free of any associated odor.

If you have never done it before and are over the age of 50, the first time might produce a revolting swirl of brown gunk going down the drain underfoot. That was clinging to the surface of your body! And there is no reason to believe it smelled just fine! The next couple of times there will be less of that but those dead skin cells are still being scrubbed away. Just add this 2 minute procedure to your shower once or twice week.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. I have always been fastidious about grooming, but now in my early 50's am even more so. Keep the nether regions, chest, and back shaved, pits trimmed, exfoliate the body, et al. Very important.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2123457]This is a very interesting topic to me. I do notice the "old person" smell on some others, even my mother for example. It would be very nave to think my own skin smells perfect even if I cannot notice anything. I bet young Thai girls can detect old skin odour. Thai girls are very keen to clean or scrub off the "Khee Khlai" (dead skin), which seems unnatural, and they probably don't need to.

I particularly notice that older people have much more problems with bad breath compared to young people. Children rarely seem to have bad breath, teenagers not much, and so on.[/QUOTE]Dead skin cells will shed on their own over time, of course. And I think more of them shed from older skin than younger skin, which can create its own problems. Have you ever gone into an old person's apartment and been hit with that odd "old person smell"? Very often it is actually all of their dead skin cells sprinkled everywhere; on the floor, in the rugs, in the bed sheets, the furniture, throw pillows, clothing, etc. LOL. Quite an unappetizing thought, right? That is why it is important for us older people to scrub off that stuff and send it down the shower drain on a regular basis before it winds up in so many corners of the room and fabrics that normal weekly housecleaning doesn't do the job.

Happy new year everybody. Why'all need to get out and get laid and create something interesting to talk about. LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2123452]Sorry to switch to girls. Can only talk about what I have experienced. I have no clue how often Thai men change shirts. Have occasionally met a stinky taxi driver, but not that often.[/QUOTE]In the discos, clubs and bars, the absolute worst thing, at least for me, is the smell of friggin cigarette smoke. All over my clothes, and anywhere where you have hair.

This is in addition to guys who don't showier, wash their hair daily, stink from sweat, body odors from certain foods they eat, and shirts not washed after every day of wear.

The first thing I do, after I get back at night in Pattaya (or back home in the US) is shower and put all of clothes in the washer or in a bag to drop off at the laundry (when in Pattaya). And then I use deodorant before I go to bed. LOL. Guys are the worst, compared to girls. Most of them, most of the time have incredibly poor hygiene. Unfortunately, that's who each of us going after when we take any girl who has already been with any guy that day (besides other issues). Part of the cost of having fun in establishments with guys who have limited $, or will not spend $ on deodorants or fresh clothes. It is what it is.

I have been in Thailand 5 months. I left once to Malaysia on a visa run. I kept all my visas up to date. I left Thailand a few days before the last visa expired. I went to Cambodia, with the plan to go to Vientiane Laos after leaving there. I changed my mind about Laos and did not enjoy Cambodia so headed back to Thailand.

Going through the reentry line I was pulled aside by the man who stamps the reentry visa and sent to talk to another guy. He seemed concerned that I had been in Thailand for 5 months and wanted to know when I was leaving. I told him I would leave within the month and pointed out I had followed all the visa rules previously. He asked to see my tickets showing I was leaving. I did not have any. He told me to go to the internet cafe there and buy one. I argued politely, that buying a ticket that way would be expensive as I would not be able to price shop in a short amount of time. I am leaving to go back to usa and tickets prices are all over the place.

He had asked me to show him money that I could afford to stay in thailand. I only had $200 USD and 500 thai baht, but showed him debit cards and told him they had $3000 and $4000 on them. Eventually he stamped my visa giving me another month. I was with him 15 to 30 minutes, or so it seemed.

Some possible things that might have made this easier for me are -1. To have had some kind of exit ticket, maybe the plane ticket or maybe just some cheap bus ticket out of thailand. And- 2. Maybe to have had more money with me or an ATM receipt that showed my balance. Ultimately though I got through with a bit of begging and politeness. The worst thing that seemed possible going through this would have been me having to buy tickets at the internet cafe there, so the worst would not have been a catastrophe.

I post this so others can see what might happen when traveling here. Things worked out okay for me, but it was stressful. Maybe others here can point out how I could have faired better. Anyway this is just my experience for what it's worth.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2124304]He asked to see my tickets showing I was leaving. I did not have any. He told me to go to the internet cafe there and buy one. I argued politely, that buying a ticket that way would be expensive as I would not be able to price shop in a short amount of time. I am leaving to go back to usa and tickets prices are all over the place.[/QUOTE]Be aware that a lot of countries won't let you in without a return ticket. Technically the airlines are not supposed to let you board if you do not have a return ticket or resident visa or the like. This is not rigidly enforced but I wouldn't want to risk doing it too often. You could get stuck if you come back to somewhere like Thailand and are refused entry as the airline would be responsible to return you to the country you just left. If you don't have a visa for that country, assuming you cannot get one on arrival, you might end up spending some time at an airport try to figure out what to do next.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2124304]I have been in Thailand 5 months. I left once to Malaysia on a visa run. I kept all my visas up to date. I left Thailand a few days before the last visa expired. I went to Cambodia, with the plan to go to Vientiane Laos after leaving there. I changed my mind about Laos and did not enjoy Cambodia so headed back to Thailand.

Going through the reentry line I was pulled aside by the man who stamps the reentry visa and sent to talk to another guy. He seemed concerned that I had been in Thailand for 5 months and wanted to know when I was leaving. I told him I would leave within the month and pointed out I had followed all the visa rules previously. He asked to see my tickets showing I was leaving. I did not have any. He told me to go to the internet cafe there and buy one. I argued politely, that buying a ticket that way would be expensive as I would not be able to price shop in a short amount of time. I am leaving to go back to usa and tickets prices are all over the place.

He had asked me to show him money that I could afford to stay in thailand. I only had $200 USD and 500 thai baht, but showed him debit cards and told him they had $3000 and $4000 on them. Eventually he stamped my visa giving me another month. I was with him 15 to 30 minutes, or so it seemed..[/QUOTE]I read up on what you went through when looking up Thailand visa requirements. The site I read claimed you needed a return ticket, and 300 $ cash (10 k baht) to be allowed entry else Thailand wouldn't let you enter. I assumed it was to avoid people trying to enter as a refugee attempt.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2124304]I have been in Thailand 5 months. I left once to Malaysia on a visa run. I kept all my visas up to date. I left Thailand a few days before the last visa expired. I went to Cambodia, with the plan to go to Vientiane Laos after leaving there. I changed my mind about Laos and did not enjoy Cambodia so headed back to Thailand.

Going through the reentry line I was pulled aside by the man who stamps the reentry visa and sent to talk to another guy. He seemed concerned that I had been in Thailand for 5 months and wanted to know when I was leaving. I told him I would leave within the month and pointed out I had followed all the visa rules previously. He asked to see my tickets showing I was leaving. I did not have any. He told me to go to the internet cafe there and buy one. I argued politely, that buying a ticket that way would be expensive as I would not be able to price shop in a short amount of time. I am leaving to go back to usa and tickets prices are all over the place.

He had asked me to show him money that I could afford to stay in thailand. I only had $200 USD and 500 thai baht, but showed him debit cards and told him they had $3000 and $4000 on them. Eventually he stamped my visa giving me another month. I was with him 15 to 30 minutes, or so it seemed. .[/QUOTE]You could just buy a refundable ticket and refund it after you get past immigration.

Hi.

This may sound stupid but I'm wondering if pre-mix Canadian Club with Dry is available readily in Pattaya and Bangkok? It is popular here in Australia and I find it better to drink in the heat instead of beer.

Any and all help is appreciated.

Thanks Rob.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2108165]Unfortunately, there have been too many BS scams pulled by Indians, Arabs and Africans so the girls don't trust them. I feel bad for the guys from those areas who are good guys, but the fact is that there are a lot of bad apples in those particular barrels.[/QUOTE]I suddenly see a spurge of posts pointing Indians out. Confused on what scams they have done to be singled out? Did not experience any such thing in other SE Asian countries but Thailand seems to be different?

[QUOTE=PartyAnimal;2126382]I suddenly see a spurge of posts pointing Indians out. Confused on what scams they have done to be singled out? Did not experience any such thing in other SE Asian countries but Thailand seems to be different?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RobertLong;2108123]I tried to get a lady from Craigslist to meet with me and she asked which hotel I was staying. When I told her Ambassador she didn't show up. When I texted her and asked why she didn't show up, she said you are Indian and I know your tricks, I replied that I was not Indian and she didn't reply back.

Don't stay in Hotels that are primarily Indian, Sri Lankan, Bangladesh etc. To bad because I actually like the Ambassador. I get a tower room on a high floor with a city view and the buffet breakfast is one the best, especially if you like Indian food. 55555.

RL.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Smoothy;2108165]Unfortunately, there have been too many BS scams pulled by Indians, Arabs and Africans so the girls don't trust them. I feel bad for the guys from those areas who are good guys, but the fact is that there are a lot of bad apples in those particular barrels.[/QUOTE]PA, I see that you post often in the Indian forum. Maybe you can ask a WG next time you are in Thailand and report back.

RL, I like Indian food too but some of the premises dominated by and catering to Indians do smell of curry in the hallways too! Too much for me. In fact, some of the hotels / service apartments I have stayed at over the decades are owned or sometimes catering to the Indian business travellers. It is an interesting change in demographics.

I am with Smoothy on expanding the list. Have seen many ladies get stung by the group. I guess it helps to be smooth talker. But then again, those girls or girls in general are not the sharpest.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2126466]PA, I see that you post often in the Indian forum. Maybe you can ask a WG next time you are in Thailand and report back.

[/QUOTE]Well Wimble, if the forum tells me that they are already avoiding Indians, it would be good to know the reason why from the fellow brothers here and approach differently. After all, a WG that suspects you of scam would not provide best service, even if you are different from rest of the crowd. Hence the idea was to listen from some of the members here itself of what kind of scams they are talking about.

Peace!

[QUOTE=Horatio;2124304]I post this so others can see what might happen when traveling here. Things worked out okay for me, but it was stressful. Maybe others here can point out how I could have faired better. Anyway this is just my experience for what it's worth.[/QUOTE]There's always a cheap one way ticket to somewhere just outside of Thailand in the $40 price range for a departure in 30 days. Saigon and Singapore are always dirt cheap. $40 is worth wasting if it gets you out of a jam.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2126603]There's always a cheap one way ticket to somewhere just outside of Thailand in the $40 price range for a departure in 30 days. Saigon and Singapore are always dirt cheap. $40 is worth wasting if it gets you out of a jam.[/QUOTE]Or you could always buy a refundable ticket!

[QUOTE=PartyAnimal;2126533]Well Wimble, if the forum tells me that they are already avoiding Indians, it would be good to know the reason why from the fellow brothers here and approach differently. After all, a WG that suspects you of scam would not provide best service, even if you are different from rest of the crowd. Hence the idea was to listen from some of the members here itself of what kind of scams they are talking about.

Peace![/QUOTE]Don't worry too much about it. Just make the payment upfront to the establishment like I had to at gogos as well as Soi6 bars. Pay the barfine as well as the girl's fee or else they simply won't entertain you. I was told point blank that Indies cite a million reasons after the session to pay less. Or haggle at the end of the session even though everything went alright.

One of the girls said many guys take one girl and start negotiating with her to bang multiple guys at a discount.

I guess I can go on and on but sure you get the point.

I never had any issues with Service just because I paid upfront. May be I was just lucky but being friendy and polite and clean goes a long way as well. Understand upfront full payment it is a cardinal sin in mongering but you don't have much choice here with establishments very firm about it when it comes to Indies.

I didn't try any FLs so no clue whether they follow the same rules or not. May be you can tell us after your visit.

[QUOTE=PartyAnimal;2126533]Well Wimble, if the forum tells me that they are already avoiding Indians, it would be good to know the reason why from the fellow brothers here and approach differently. [/QUOTE]A quick look back at a few pages on this forum would reveal to you why Indian's are not liked in BKK and quite a few other places. You don't need people here going over old ground and potentially inflaming things. It won't take you long to find the reasons.

PA my friend, I suspect you will get better information from the Indian brothers. You might find a teacher willing to take a padawan. But share the information with us if you can.

At the places I frequent, bars and spas, there are Indians, blacks and Middle Eastern occasionally I don't stick around to check it out. Some of the ME guys I know have no problems with regular places because they are based in Asia and know how things work better than I. And I mean angles and girls.

As Styker suggested RTFF. And most will admit WGs do turn people down, for whatever reason.

[QUOTE=PartyAnimal;2126533]Well Wimble, if the forum tells me that they are already avoiding Indians, it would be good to know the reason why from the fellow brothers here and approach differently. After all, a WG that suspects you of scam would not provide best service, even if you are different from rest of the crowd. Hence the idea was to listen from some of the members here itself of what kind of scams they are talking about.

Peace![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Stykler;2126753]A quick look back at a few pages on this forum would reveal to you why Indian's are not liked in BKK and quite a few other places. You don't need people here going over old ground and potentially inflaming things. It won't take you long to find the reasons.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=LoneWolff;2126749]Don't worry too much about it. Just make the payment upfront to the establishment like I had to at gogos as well as Soi6 bars. Pay the barfine as well as the girl's fee or else they simply won't entertain you. I was told point blank that Indies cite a million reasons after the session to pay less. Or haggle at the end of the session even though everything went alright.

One of the girls said many guys take one girl and start negotiating with her to bang multiple guys at a discount.

I guess I can go on and on but sure you get the point..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stykler;2126753]A quick look back at a few pages on this forum would reveal to you why Indian's are not liked in BKK and quite a few other places. You don't need people here going over old ground and potentially inflaming things. It won't take you long to find the reasons.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2126749]I was told point blank that Indies cite a million reasons after the session to pay less. Or haggle at the end of the session even though everything went alright.

One of the girls said many guys take one girl and start negotiating with her to bang multiple guys at a discount.

I guess I can go on and on but sure you get the point.

[/QUOTE]Thank you pals. Get it. I understand this might be a doing of few people who have spoilt the game for rest of the people. Strange enough, I found ladies in Indonesia, Philippines and Vietnam to be very friendly. While there were 1 or 2 ads on BP / CG which said no to browns (which I anyways did not get in touch with), remaining 98 did not have any such disclaimer. Of those I reached, while they asked my nationality, however maybe it was the way I conversed or my hotel which gave them comfort. Just had 1 experience in Thailand given my overnight stay which involved just a lovely massage from one of the most beautiful and charming ladies I ever met, which eventually led to a breakfast together next day, I would be keen to explore much more this time around when I have more time to spend.

So all this going around the block is a non issue. Typical.

[QUOTE=PartyAnimal;2126787]Thank you pals. Get it. I understand this might be a doing of few people who have spoilt the game for rest of the people. Strange enough, I found ladies in Indonesia, Philippines and Vietnam to be very friendly. While there were 1 or 2 ads on BP / CG which said no to browns (which I anyways did not get in touch with), remaining 98 did not have any such disclaimer. Of those I reached, while they asked my nationality, however maybe it was the way I conversed or my hotel which gave them comfort. Just had 1 experience in Thailand given my overnight stay which involved just a lovely massage from one of the most beautiful and charming ladies I ever met, which eventually led to a breakfast together next day, I would be keen to explore much more this time around when I have more time to spend.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wimble;2127208]So all this going around the block is a non issue. Typical.[/QUOTE]Well no. Because of my limited experience in Thailand (just 1 that too over wechat and no experience at Nana / others). Will be arriving there on Sunday evening so was looking on CG / BP to get a girl for the night rather than exploring BKK after a long journey. Found 3 options to my liking and connected with them to see if they are available for Sunday incall.

1 turned out to be an SP who quoted exhorbitant prices (said all his ladies were high end models LOL) and hence declined.

1 girl is yet to respond.

The 3rd one (over Wechat) was smooth asking all details and telling prices until she asked my nationality and then blocked me, in spite of telling her that I would be staying in a 5 star hotel (to let her not think that I would be thrifty).

Well let us see how the other girl reacts.

[QUOTE=PartyAnimal;2127633]Well no. Because of my limited experience in Thailand (just 1 that too over wechat and no experience at Nana / others). Will be arriving there on Sunday evening so was looking on CG / BP to get a girl for the night rather than exploring BKK after a long journey.[/QUOTE]Man get your lazy ass out and explore the place. You act like you are the one that will be flying the plane. You will be sitting there relaxing during the long journey. So unless you need a break from a break go see what the place has to offer instead of bullshitting around with websites and apps.

[QUOTE=PartyAnimal;2127633]Well no. Because of my limited experience in Thailand (just 1 that too over wechat and no experience at Nana / others). Will be arriving there on Sunday evening so was looking on CG / BP to get a girl for the night rather than exploring BKK after a long journey. Found 3 options to my liking and connected with them to see if they are available for Sunday incall.

1 turned out to be an SP who quoted exhorbitant prices (said all his ladies were high end models LOL) and hence declined.

1 girl is yet to respond.

The 3rd one (over Wechat) was smooth asking all details and telling prices until she asked my nationality and then blocked me, in spite of telling her that I would be staying in a 5 star hotel (to let her not think that I would be thrifty).

Well let us see how the other girl reacts.[/QUOTE]If you're so concerned about your color. And have the money to offer much of BP and 4/5 star massage places why not just go for escort services. They're the same price as pretty much any BP girl (without the chance of scams) and will directly tell you if your color is an issue.

IMHO, read between the lines. Escort services might have backup, security and managers. They won't put up with other scammers. LOL.

[QUOTE=Klassic;2127831]If you're so concerned about your color. And have the money to offer much of BP and 4/5 star massage places why not just go for escort services. They're the same price as pretty much any BP girl (without the chance of scams) and will directly tell you if your color is an issue.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2127813]Man get your lazy ass out and explore the place. You act like you are the one that will be flying the plane. You will be sitting there relaxing during the long journey. So unless you need a break from a break go see what the place has to offer instead of bullshitting around with websites and apps.[/QUOTE]Sitting there relaxing during the long journey? Many people (including me) cannot sleep in airplanes and are tired as hell after a long flight. So I understand very well that he's looking for an easy option for his first night.

Guys,

What are the other useful webpages you go to when you want to get info about the P4 P scene (both in general and for Thailand in particular)?

/ Kirsia.

I would recommend ISG. I think you know the link.

Hi guys.

Hopefully a stupid question but I need to ask it. Is the procedure for entering Thailand on an Australian passport as simple as show passport, visa applied and stamped and move on to baggage carousel?

Thanks in Advance.

Rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2130880]Hi guys.

Hopefully a stupid question but I need to ask it. Is the procedure for entering Thailand on an Australian passport as simple as show passport, visa applied and stamped and move on to baggage carousel?

Thanks in Advance.

Rob.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's that easy. You will get a 30 day tourist visa automatically. If you want to apply for a Thai visa ahead of time, you can get a longer visa if needed. Or if you want to stay longer than 30 days on a tourist visa, you would have to do a border run and get stamped back into the country with a new 30 day tourist visa. Any other questions about visa's, you should ask in Bangkok Expats (Facebook group), as they are Thai visa semi-pro's, LOL!

For ALL countries, [URL]thaivisa.com[/URL] is a very good source for all queries.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2130880]Hi guys.

Hopefully a stupid question but I need to ask it. Is the procedure for entering Thailand on an Australian passport as simple as show passport, visa applied and stamped and move on to baggage carousel?

Thanks in Advance.

Rob.[/QUOTE]Yes. As simple as that.

Even better is to have carry on baggage and skip the carousel altogether.

[QUOTE=HorneeFalang;2131047]Yes. As simple as that.

Even better is to have carry on baggage and skip the carousel altogether.[/QUOTE]These days it takes longer to get through immigration than it does for the bags to arrive, unless you're flying business class and can use the express lane. I went through immigration a few months ago and the line was back down to the duty free shops.

Thanks guys.

I will be in Thailand for only 8 days so 30 day visa is fine. I thought about only carry on but having experienced other Asian countries I know the bags will beat me to the carousel and I don't want to be dropping clothes off at the laundry every second day.

Thanks again.

Rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2131643]Thanks guys.

I will be in Thailand for only 8 days so 30 day visa is fine. I thought about only carry on but having experienced other Asian countries I know the bags will beat me to the carousel and I don't want to be dropping clothes off at the laundry every second day.

Thanks again.

Rob.[/QUOTE]You got to pack better. I can get 9 days of clothes in my carry on suitcase. 22 inch.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2131651]You got to pack better. I can get 9 days of clothes in my carry on suitcase. 22 inch.[/QUOTE]My wife will be packing and she thinks I will be at meetings, dinners and presentations! So there will be extra clothes that won't be worn. LOL.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2131643]Thanks guys. I will be in Thailand for only 8 days so 30 day visa is fine. I thought about only carry on but having experienced other Asian countries I know the bags will beat me to the carousel and I don't want to be dropping clothes off at the laundry every second day.[/QUOTE]What? For an 8 day trip all I need is a backpack. Pack 4 pairs of shorts, 8 shirts (t-shirts, polos, whatever you like), 8 pairs of underwear, and wear 1 pair of comfortable walking shoes (bring some socks if you like), and a shaving kit with toothbrush. You're all set. If you want sandals, you can buy a pair when you arrive. I can fit all of that in a backpack along with a laptop, 2 cell phones, and all chargers. I'm certain you can find a way to pack that stuff in a 21 inch carry on (with extra room for condoms and lube).

Edit, just read your last post. Pack for yourself with the carry-on to fake it. ;)

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2131794] a shaving kit[/QUOTE]They let you bring either razors or an electric razor on board the plane?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2131798]They let you bring either razors or an electric razor on board the plane?[/QUOTE]I took both in carry on recently. Not separate, traditional razor blades but the fixed, Gillette type, obviously.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2131798]They let you bring either razors or an electric razor on board the plane?[/QUOTE]Yes. Shaving razors with plastic handles. NOT straight razors.

If you or the anyone else is worried about that you still have 2 other options. Check the bag or buy shaving razors after arrival. All 7-11 and Family Marts sell razons cheap as f@ck.

Besides the girls don't care if you shave or not. They only care about "how much".

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2131798]They let you bring either razors or an electric razor on board the plane?[/QUOTE]Electric razor is no problem, I've carried mine on heaps of times.

If a girl made 3000-4000 baht per day, what is a reasonable monthly amount to pay a girl to live with you? Take her on a trip for a month (I assume this will be much lower given that you are paying for her trip)?

What if the girl only made 400-500 baht per day (ie. A girl who works in a retail store)?

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2131794]What? For an 8 day trip all I need is a backpack. Pack 4 pairs of shorts, 8 shirts (t-shirts, polos, whatever you like), 8 pairs of underwear, and wear 1 pair of comfortable walking shoes (bring some socks if you like), and a shaving kit with toothbrush. You're all set. If you want sandals, you can buy a pair when you arrive. I can fit all of that in a backpack along with a laptop, 2 cell phones, and all chargers. I'm certain you can find a way to pack that stuff in a 21 inch carry on (with extra room for condoms and lube).

Edit, just read your last post. Pack for yourself with the carry-on to fake it. ;)[/QUOTE]Pack for myself would be great but my wife is Asian so that won't happen LOL and also that way she won't have 10 days to go thru my clothes at home and see what I DIDN'T take LOL. I thought about the self packed carry on but I'm travelling with my brother and he seems bent on booking luggage for what ever reason best known to him but I have 10 days to change his mind.

Rob.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2132212]If a girl made 3000-4000 baht per day, what is a reasonable monthly amount to pay a girl to live with you? Take her on a trip for a month (I assume this will be much lower given that you are paying for her trip)?

What if the girl only made 400-500 baht per day (ie. A girl who works in a retail store)?[/QUOTE]I had this discussion with a bar girl recently and in her case she expected to make the same as she would if she stayed in the bar, which according to her was more than 30,000. She works a beer bar. Hard to say if that is the norm or not. Perhaps it just meant that she was not that keen on extended time with me. As for the shop lady, she probably actually needs that daily amount. And what a bargain for you.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2132212]Take her on a trip for a month (I assume this will be much lower given that you are paying for her trip)?

What if the girl only made 400-500 baht per day (ie. A girl who works in a retail store)?[/QUOTE]I think that may depend on whether you want the shop girl to live full time with you or just go on a 1 month trip. She may be reluctant to go away for a month as she may not have a job to come back to.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2132518]Pack for myself would be great but my wife is Asian so that won't happen LOL and also that way she won't have 10 days to go thru my clothes at home and see what I DIDN'T take LOL. I thought about the self packed carry on but I'm travelling with my brother and he seems bent on booking luggage for what ever reason best known to him but I have 10 days to change his mind.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be too worried about booking in luggage unless you want to take the train into town and then the BTS / Metro, then carry on is the way to go. If you arrive late at night / very early and the trains aren't running you need to take a taxi anyway. Your luggage will probably beat you through, immigration has been slow recently. You might get lucky and immigration is quiet and you get through really quickly, but the baggage handling in Bangkok is pretty efficient so you probably won't need to wait much, if at all.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2132600]I wouldn't be too worried about booking in luggage unless you want to take the train into town and then the BTS / Metro, then carry on is the way to go. If you arrive late at night / very early and the trains aren't running you need to take a taxi anyway. Your luggage will probably beat you through, immigration has been slow recently. You might get lucky and immigration is quiet and you get through really quickly, but the baggage handling in Bangkok is pretty efficient so you probably won't need to wait much, if at all.[/QUOTE]This is not directed at you specifically KStar but as someone who lives in SE Asia and has travelled extensively all over I think that if anyone is stressed by an extra 5 to 15 minutes waiting for baggage / immigration lines / taxis etc then you may not enjoy your times in Asia or the Pacific. What you make up for on the swings you will eventually lose on the roundabout.

I rarely travel light unless the visit is 4 days or less and then the carry-on is sufficient; any more than 4 days and I always take enough clothes / shoes etc with check-in bags to take concern about laundry or whether I have enough clothes out of the equation.

I am bewildered by the earlier comment about one's wife packing for him because she is Asian and that's what they do.

Wrong.

That has never happened in my lifetime after having both a western and Asian wife and I am perfectly OK with that. There's no way they could anticipate my needs whilst travelling, with or without mongering factored in.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2132629]I rarely travel light unless the visit is 4 days or less and then the carry-on is sufficient; any more than 4 days and I always take enough clothes / shoes etc with check-in bags to take concern about laundry or whether I have enough clothes out of the equation.[/QUOTE]I've been pretty much living in SE Asia for almost 20 years, on and off. If I'm going to Bangkok for a 4 to 5 days and don't need to do any work I can easily get away with carry on luggage. I usually find that if I need to attend meetings or to work then I need to check in luggage since my laptop and other wor stuff will take up all my carry on space. I'm not a overhead bin hog, so I don't like taking 2 peices on board. Of course, if I'm only going for a couple of days I can squeeze everything into 1 bag. I sometimes need to go somewhere for a few months and will be on construction sites so I obviously need to pack a fair amount and as I usually go to hard to get to places I can't always get a direct flight. Sometimes flight connections dictate an overnight stop (or I choose to have one).

Completely agree with your comment about packing. I have never let anyone else pack for me.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2132212]If a girl made 3000-4000 baht per day, what is a reasonable monthly amount to pay a girl to live with you? Take her on a trip for a month (I assume this will be much lower given that you are paying for her trip)?

What if the girl only made 400-500 baht per day (ie. A girl who works in a retail store)?[/QUOTE]If your going to make an honest woman out of her and have her quit the business I was told 25,000 per month to spend on what she wants is a good amount to consider. She wants a tv, has to come out of that allotment. She wants to send money home to the family, has to budget accordingly. This is from a friendly Australian chap who I chatted up. Otherwise the girl has her hand out every day asking for money.

But your talking about taking a hooker for a month on your travel, that's a different story. Is she going out of Thailand with you? If not she's just going to another city where she can make money. Don't be surprised if she ends of making money her own way if you don't give her enough spending money for herself and to send home. My guess would be 2000 baht per day, 30 days would be 60,000 baht. That's for a girl making top dollar. You go cheap she might want to go home and tell all of her friends that your a cheap charlie.

In my situation I've got a girl coming to stay with me for a few weeks who isn't a working girl. I plan on giving her roughly 10000 at the end plus money for shopping, etc. I also plan on handing her a few thousand every so often and having her send it back home.

I have been trying Durex and Okamoto 003 condoms which both work well for me with perhaps a slight advantage given to Okamoto.

Last time I was in BKK there was a WG that got Double Benefit condoms with her which I tried out. Any of you that tried them out? I thought that they were great but I don't have a clue about quality. Info would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2132629]This is not directed at you specifically KStar but as someone who lives in SE Asia and has travelled extensively all over I think that if anyone is stressed by an extra 5 to 15 minutes waiting for baggage / immigration lines / taxis etc then you may not enjoy your times in Asia or the Pacific. What you make up for on the swings you will eventually lose on the roundabout.

I rarely travel light unless the visit is 4 days or less and then the carry-on is sufficient; any more than 4 days and I always take enough clothes / shoes etc with check-in bags to take concern about laundry or whether I have enough clothes out of the equation.

I am bewildered by the earlier comment about one's wife packing for him because she is Asian and that's what they do.

Wrong.

That has never happened in my lifetime after having both a western and Asian wife and I am perfectly OK with that. There's no way they could anticipate my needs whilst travelling, with or without mongering factored in.[/QUOTE]To clarify and to apologise for making generalisations it is what my Asian wife does in regards to packing. It is what she does and I don't know if her motive is to ensure that I have the correct clothing for my "business trips" or she has a sense of duty to do so. Either way I will take it.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2132948]To clarify and to apologise for making generalisations it is what my Asian wife does in regards to packing. It is what she does and I don't know if her motive is to ensure that I have the correct clothing for my "business trips" or she has a sense of duty to do so. Either way I will take it.[/QUOTE]No need to apologise, everybody has things they like and don't like. I'd never let my Asian wife (she's from China) pack for me though. I won't let her shop for me because I don't like what she buys me and end up never wearing what she buys, hence I won't let her pack for me because it won't be right. I'll end up with lots of really nice, thick dress shirts that will be way to thick and hot and very little that is comfortable.

I struck a bit of grief at Don Mueang Immigration yesterday after my Air Asia flight from Indonesia. I intended to enter Thailand visa free for a 30 day entry like I always do, and hadn't been in Thailand since mid November.

The chick on immigration was not impressed with my five 30 day visa exempt entries for all of 2017. She asked me why I didn't have a tourist visa to enter Thailand, as I was coming and going quite often to Thailand. I explained that I don't need a tourist visa as I am not staying 2 months only 30 days.

Then she asked me what I did for a living, and then asked for a return ticket. Luckily I had prepared a fake Air Asia ticket from Don Mueang to Kuala Lumpur for 3 weeks later so I showed her that. I had originally made this up in case I was asked by Air Asia check-in staff in Indonesia but they never asked.

After scrutinizing the ticket and going through all the pages of my passport for several minutes and looking terribly unimpressed, she then indicated to me to look into the webcam. So I got in. I suppose without my "onward ticket" I may not have been allowed to enter.

So be aware that even though they say that you can enter as many times as you want on the 30 day visa exempt entry, Thai Immigration don't appear to like it, and a tourist visa is probably a safer bet. It's just a hassle to pick up so I try and avoid it.

[QUOTE=Franga;2133528]So be aware that even though they say that you can enter as many times as you want on the 30 day visa exempt entry, Thai Immigration don't appear to like it, and a tourist visa is probably a safer bet. It's just a hassle to pick up so I try and avoid it.[/QUOTE]This is no longer the case. Thailand is cracking down on people coming in multiple times on a visa exempt entry. They want to make money on people buying METV (multi entry tourist visa) which is simple to get and costs very little or apply for the Thai Visa Elite card. the main qualification is Thailand wants to see you have money in your bank account. Be happy you got in. Coming back in a couple of months you may not be so lucky.

[QUOTE=Franga;2133528]I struck a bit of grief at Don Mueang Immigration yesterday after my Air Asia flight from Indonesia. I intended to enter Thailand visa free for a 30 day entry like I always do, and hadn't been in Thailand since mid November.

The chick on immigration was not impressed with my five 30 day visa exempt entries for all of 2017. She asked me why I didn't have a tourist visa to enter Thailand, as I was coming and going quite often to Thailand. I explained that I don't need a tourist visa as I am not staying 2 months only 30 days.

Then she asked me what I did for a living, and then asked for a return ticket. Luckily I had prepared a fake Air Asia ticket from Don Mueang to Kuala Lumpur for 3 weeks later so I showed her that. I had originally made this up in case I was asked by Air Asia check-in staff in Indonesia but they never asked.

After scrutinizing the ticket and going through all the pages of my passport for several minutes and looking terribly unimpressed, she then indicated to me to look into the webcam. So I got in. I suppose without my "onward ticket" I may not have been allowed to enter.

So be aware that even though they say that you can enter as many times as you want on the 30 day visa exempt entry, Thai Immigration don't appear to like it, and a tourist visa is probably a safer bet. It's just a hassle to pick up so I try and avoid it.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you got an agent that was experiencing "that time of the month" that ladies go thru and have a salty disposition. I have never been questioned coming to Bkk and I enter 5 times year. Nexttime choose a line that has a male inspector.

RL.

There is an Okamoto 002. As for QC, blow it up to fist size and stick it under a sink of water and check for leaks. Keep blowing and see if it bursts before it gets to be several times the size of your equipment. IMHO, I like the US brands because I can get prelubed with spermicide; but they are thick. Also, best to lube just before as some prelube weakens the latex. Also, with some girls, the latex just tends to fail more.

[QUOTE=Hiete;2132784]I have been trying Durex and Okamoto 003 condoms which both work well for me with perhaps a slight advantage given to Okamoto.

Last time I was in BKK there was a WG that got Double Benefit condoms with her which I tried out. Any of you that tried them out? I thought that they were great but I don't have a clue about quality. Info would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]

I had my plastic handle ones removed in the US and in Asia. They are free at most hotels so I tend to leave it behind if travelling only with carry on. I usually have one check in for all the stuff you cannot take on as carry on. However, the no check in list is also getting longer.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2131812]Yes. Shaving razors with plastic handles. NOT straight razors.

If you or the anyone else is worried about that you still have 2 other options. Check the bag or buy shaving razors after arrival. All 7-11 and Family Marts sell razons cheap as f@ck.

Besides the girls don't care if you shave or not. They only care about "how much".[/QUOTE]As for allowances, I heard a much smaller number for year long arrangements with regular girls. The one thing I always thought important is to make sure the girl is happy and that it is sufficient. If it is not sufficient, it will increase her chances of going elsewhere if you are not on site to guard your merchandise. I would stay away from bar girls unless it is a short term arrangement. So Crazy4 Thai, your number sounds fair and reasonable. The question is can she get her job back when she tries to return.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2132545]I had this discussion with a bar girl recently and in her case she expected to make the same as she would if she stayed in the bar, which according to her was more than 30,000. She works a beer bar. Hard to say if that is the norm or not. Perhaps it just meant that she was not that keen on extended time with me. As for the shop lady, she probably actually needs that daily amount. And what a bargain for you.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=BananaBoi;2132212]If a girl made 3000-4000 baht per day, what is a reasonable monthly amount to pay a girl to live with you? Take her on a trip for a month (I assume this will be much lower given that you are paying for her trip)?

What if the girl only made 400-500 baht per day (ie. A girl who works in a retail store)?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Breadman;2132740]If your going to make an honest woman out of her and have her quit the business I was told 25,000 per month to spend on what she wants is a good amount to consider. She wants a tv, has to come out of that allotment. She wants to send money home to the family, has to budget accordingly. This is from a friendly Australian chap who I chatted up. Otherwise the girl has her hand out every day asking for money.

But your talking about taking a hooker for a month on your travel, that's a different story. Is she going out of Thailand with you? If not she's just going to another city where she can make money. Don't be surprised if she ends of making money her own way if you don't give her enough spending money for herself and to send home. My guess would be 2000 baht per day, 30 days would be 60,000 baht..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2133641]Sounds like you got an agent that was experiencing "that time of the month" that ladies go thru and have a salty disposition. I have never been questioned coming to Bkk and I enter 5 times year. Nexttime choose a line that has a male inspector.
RL.[/QUOTE]I always choose a line with a female inspector, because I think women work faster. Unless maybe when it's "that time of the month" LOL.

I had a question about visa exempt entries lately and I got this reply in post #9354:

"Travelers, under visa exemption scheme, arriving via an international airport will be given a 30 day visa exempt stamp, however people using OUT / IN method to extend their stay might be questioned after 6 visa exempt entries."

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2133825]"Travelers, under visa exemption scheme, arriving via an international airport will be given a 30 day visa exempt stamp, however people using OUT / IN method to extend their stay might be questioned after 6 visa exempt entries."[/QUOTE]I'm heading to Bangkok for a couple of days next week and I was there about 6 or 7 times last year on visa exempt, so I'll let everyone know if I have a problem. Several of my trips were visa runs from other countries whilst waiting for work permits to come through.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2133732]I had my plastic handle ones removed in the US and in Asia. They are free at most hotels so I tend to leave it behind if travelling only with carry on. I usually have one check in for all the stuff you cannot take on as carry on. However, the no check in list is also getting longer.

As for allowances, I heard a much smaller number for year long arrangements with regular girls. The one thing I always thought important is to make sure the girl is happy and that it is sufficient. If it is not sufficient, it will increase her chances of going elsewhere if you are not on site to guard your merchandise. I would stay away from bar girls unless it is a short term arrangement. So Crazy4 Thai, your number sounds fair and reasonable. The question is can she get her job back when she tries to return.[/QUOTE]Well to clarify, it is not MY number it is the number that SHE quoted. And as for returning to work in that beer bar I cannot imagine why not. She is a top earner there and generally speaking workers who leave on good terms are welcome to return whether it is a beer bar or restaurant or whatever. I have see this many times.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2133540]This is no longer the case. Thailand is cracking down on people coming in multiple times on a visa exempt entry. They want to make money on people buying METV (multi entry tourist visa) which is simple to get and costs very little or apply for the Thai Visa Elite card. the main qualification is Thailand wants to see you have money in your bank account. Be happy you got in. Coming back in a couple of months you may not be so lucky.[/QUOTE]I'm in Ho Chi Minh now. My visa application to Thailand was just rejected, though I paid $40 for it. My friend works at the Thai embassy in HCM and told me that the consular didn't like the fact that I had 4 visas in the last year alone. Funny, I gave them bank statements from the USA banks showing I was withdrawing $930 or 30,000 baht every 3 days for the last year alone. How can I be working in Thailand, when I'm withdrawing money from the USA to spend in your country? She inquired about my rejection and says the consular is wary because I'm retired and do not work at such a young age. We only have to show that we have $600 for a 60 days visa. I showed much more than that plus last year I donated 2,000,000 baht to Thai charity and organizations with receipts. Upon further questioning, the consular got mad at her and told her that it's not normal for someone not to have to work and have been on vacation for the last 3 years. I'm still kind of confused to what's the problem? I've contributed over $200,000 to the Thai economy in 2017, so why can't I take a holiday there?

Anyways. I decided to take a detour to Phu Quoc Island to relax a bit. Koh Thmei, Thailand is just a fisherman's boat ride away. The things I'm able to do is shocking! Watch me get to Pattaya soon. No visa, no 30 day stamp. No problem!

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2134679]I'm in Ho Chi Minh now. My visa application to Thailand was just rejected, though I paid $40 for it. My friend works at the Thai embassy in HCM and told me that the consular didn't like the fact that I had 4 visas in the last year alone. Funny, I gave them bank statements from the USA banks showing I was withdrawing $930 or 30,000 baht every 3 days for the last year alone. How can I be working in Thailand, when I'm withdrawing money from the USA to spend in your country? Anyways. I decided to take a detour to Phu Quoc Island to relax a bit. Koh Thmei, Thailand is just a fisherman's boat ride away. The things I'm able to do is shocking! Watch me get to Pattaya soon. No visa, no 30 day stamp. No problem![/QUOTE]The consular is concerned because you are young, unemployed, and are throwing a lot of money around. It is unusual and his caution is understandable. He may think you are trafficking, dealing drugs, or doing something else that is highly profitable and illegal.

Too bad you can't show him your posts on ISG to prove you are just having fun and not up to anything bad.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2134679]Anyways. I decided to take a detour to Phu Quoc Island to relax a bit. Koh Thmei, Thailand is just a fisherman's boat ride away. The things I'm able to do is shocking! Watch me get to Pattaya soon. No visa, no 30 day stamp. No problem![/QUOTE]The way the hotels record everything how would one go about getting a room without the right tourist visa to show the hotel?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2134679]I'm in Ho Chi Minh now. My visa application to Thailand was just rejected, though I paid $40 for it. My friend works at the Thai embassy in HCM and told me that the consular didn't like the fact that I had 4 visas in the last year alone. Funny, I gave them bank statements from the USA banks showing I was withdrawing $930 or 30,000 baht every 3 days for the last year alone. How can I be working in Thailand, when I'm withdrawing money from the USA to spend in your country? She inquired about my rejection and says the consular is wary because I'm retired and do not work at such a young age. We only have to show that we have $600 for a 60 days visa. I showed much more than that plus last year I donated 2,000,000 baht to Thai charity and organizations with receipts. Upon further questioning, the consular got mad at her and told her that it's not normal for someone not to have to work and have been on vacation for the last 3 years. I'm still kind of confused to what's the problem? I've contributed over $200,000 to the Thai economy in 2017, so why can't I take a holiday there?

Anyways. I decided to take a detour to Phu Quoc Island to relax a bit. Koh Thmei, Thailand is just a fisherman's boat ride away. The things I'm able to do is shocking! Watch me get to Pattaya soon. No visa, no 30 day stamp. No problem![/QUOTE]You might want to check you geography whilst koh thmei might be named in the same fashion as other islands in Thai with the prefix koh, koh thmei is Cambodian as is koh kong, you would need to get to koh kut, trat province before you are back on Thai soil.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2134679]I'm in Ho Chi Minh now. My visa application to Thailand was just rejected, though I paid $40 for it. My friend works at the Thai embassy in HCM and told me that the consular didn't like the fact that I had 4 visas in the last year alone. [/QUOTE]Two likely ways to get around it. As I mentioned before, apply for a Multi entry Tourist Visa to avoid the crackdown of those entering on too many 'free' Visas. You may not qualify for this any longer since you have been marked.

The sure fire way is to get a Thai Elite Visa. [URL]http://www.thai-elite.com/programs.html[/URL] Only criteria are money in bank (I think it's 800 k baht now), criminal record check, health check. 500 k baht for 5 years, 1 million baht for 20 years.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2134887]Two likely ways to get around it. As I mentioned before, apply for a Multi entry Tourist Visa to avoid the crackdown of those entering on too many 'free' Visas. You may not qualify for this any longer since you have been marked.

The sure fire way is to get a Thai Elite Visa. [URL]http://www.thai-elite.com/programs.html[/URL] Only criteria are money in bank (I think it's 800 k baht now), criminal record check, health check. 500 k baht for 5 years, 1 million baht for 20 years.[/QUOTE]If he's over 50, he could apply for a one-year (renewable) retirement visa, since he has the requisite financial resources.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2134887]Two likely ways to get around it. As I mentioned before, apply for a Multi entry Tourist Visa to avoid the crackdown of those entering on too many 'free' Visas. You may not qualify for this any longer since you have been marked.

The sure fire way is to get a Thai Elite Visa. [URL]http://www.thai-elite.com/programs.html[/URL] Only criteria are money in bank (I think it's 800 k baht now), criminal record check, health check. 500 k baht for 5 years, 1 million baht for 20 years.[/QUOTE]I believe he is on the younger side and would not qualify for a retirement visa. Thai Elite would be the way to go. 500 K for 5 years and I don't believe there is a deposit requirement.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2134967]I believe he is on the younger side and would not qualify for a retirement visa. [/QUOTE]Unfortunately I'm too young to apply for a retirement visa as well. Must be over 50. It's the no Brainer way to go for anyone over 50.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2134994]Unfortunately I'm too young to apply for a retirement visa as well. Must be over 50. It's the no Brainer way to go for anyone over 50.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. But let me tell you from experience; it's about the only good thing about turning 50.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2134995]Absolutely. But let me tell you from experience; it's about the only good thing about turning 50.[/QUOTE]Hey, at 50 you're also only ten years away from qualifying for the Senior Discount cards at SF CINEMA and MAJOR CINEPLEX!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2134887]The sure fire way is to get a Thai Elite Visa. [URL]http://www.thai-elite.com/programs.html[/URL] Only criteria are money in bank (I think it's 800 k baht now), criminal record check, health check. 500 k baht for 5 years, 1 million baht for 20 years.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately he won't pass the criminal record check when he gets caught trying to enter Thailand without a visa LOL.

After chilling with some local fishermen in Phu Qouc, they got the idea that I was a stand up guy and I could be trusted. They agreed to help me get to Thailand through a Cambodian refugee route. Apparently, the route in itself isn't monitored much because there was no need for an outsider from a 1st world country to ever pull off something like this. Who the heck sneaks into Thailand but has a USA passport? So the fishermen from Phu Quoc are acquainted with those in the small villages of Koh Thmei. I was told there is but a couple of small poor settlements on that island that does trade with the Vietnamese in Phu Quoc. So I suggested that I buy and give to the poor Cambodian villagers in exchange for their help to get me to Thailand. My Vietnamese fisherman guide thought that was a nice gesture and great idea. I guess simple people don't care as much about money as we think. To get their help, I had to win their trust. So I went of an bought about 40,000,000 VND worth of milk and sugar to give to the Cambodian villagers.

Of course I then was able to hide myself and my luggage in that shipment of goods to the Cambodian village on a fishing boat. It wasn't that long until we reached the village. I'm not certain of the name but kept hearing the fishermen say "Chong Chong. " There the people unloaded the milk and sugar and there was a conversation between the Vietnamese fishermen and the Cambodians about helping me to get to Thailand. My guide told me that he and his team will have to go back to Phu Quoc, but the Cambodian fishermen agreed to take me along the national park by boat to a major highway that connected to Prey Nob. From there, they have a plenty of friends that can help me all the way to Thailand. So after a seafood lunch with all the villagers from both islands, I was shipped off on another boat ride through Cambodia.

Once we landed near the highway, it wasn't but about 10 minutes when we were picked up by an English speaking Cambodian. He was the son of one of the fishermen. His dad told him that I needed help and he was to get me into Thailand. The meeting was short and I was rushed into his Prius. At this point. I was thinking "Dang, I'm getting human trafficked. " Actually it wasn't a bad trip, so far. Nobody asked me for money, but I paid the Vietnamese fishermen for their time anyways. In Prey Nob, I paid cash for a hotel for 1 night in US dollars and it wasn't an issue. The next day the guy with the Prius picked me up for breakfast before our journey to the Koh Kong beach near the Thai border and told me that his father mentioned to him of the nice deed I did for the villagers with the milk and sugar. I told him "no problem."

He talked about how poor the people are and that the government fails to take care of its own. All this money spent to on the military and for power or political struggles, while the people suffers. He told me that people are starving in Cambodia in places like Prey Nob far away from tourists. I felt kind of bad, so I told him I wanted to help as a way of saying "thanks" for him driving me to the Thai-Cambo border. So before we left the city. We stopped by a store where I purchased about $1000 worth of noodles, rice, and condiments. He then called ahead to a local temple. And when we arrived, there were already quite a few people, who waited patiently for our gift. We just helped unload and then I was off for my 4 1/2 hour ride to Koh Kong where I was to meet his Thai buddy. Like most Thai's, this guy expected and was in it for the money and I of course had to pay a fee for transport. So wish me good luck! It's nap time.

I've never ever heard anyone get their visa application rejected when the papers were in order. There are no limits on amount of visas in a year etc. , so either bullshitting or the 'friend' fucked up the application?

Either way, just find an 'easy' consulate, and apply there. I hear one in Bali is pretty lax. Take like at least a week outside the Thai borders before you apply again too, I would say.

Not sure if you got a special 'denied' stamp in your passport though, which may hinder.

I'm in Bangkok now. God has bestowed upon me some serious powers to succeed in my journey. So I'm having a quick meal at Terminal 21 and later it will be time to play with the ladies. Hopefully we can hang out soon, buddy old pal.

Dude,

This is getting into serious territory. You will end up in deep trouble if you don't exit the same way without official notification. If you exit through official routes, they will look for your entry and then let you rest in their prison facility because you did not enter officially. When they let you out, several years later, they will ban you from entering the country again.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2135059]After chilling with some local fishermen in Phu Qouc, they got the idea that I was a stand up guy and I could be trusted. They agreed to help me get to Thailand through a Cambodian refugee route.

So wish me good luck! It's nap time.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://news.lovepattayathailand.com/local/new-train-service-bangkok-pattaya-start-march/[/URL]

Will be an interesting option to get to Bangkok. Says fare will be economical.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2135605]Dude,

This is getting into serious territory. You will end up in deep trouble if you don't exit the same way without official notification. If you exit through official routes, they will look for your entry and then let you rest in their prison facility because you did not enter officially. When they let you out, several years later, they will ban you from entering the country again.[/QUOTE]I can't answer for the Paw but I suspect (and sincerely hope) he has this figured out. Either way his recent adventure was interesting reading as are most of his posts.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2135768][URL]https://news.lovepattayathailand.com/local/new-train-service-bangkok-pattaya-start-march/[/URL]

Will be an interesting option to get to Bangkok. Says fare will be economical.[/QUOTE]There's already a train (non-aircon, hard seats), once a day, departing at some ungodly morning hour (6:30 am), and taking way too long to arrive (4-5 h, as I recall). It costs 30 baht.

The new train might be more comfortable, and perhaps faster (they renovated the track), but it's still a 6:30 am departure, and only one per day, so I doubt it'll be convenient to anyone. If departure time were closer to noon, more tourists might be interested.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2135790]
The new train might be more comfortable, and perhaps faster (they renovated the track), but it's still a 6:30 am departure, and only one per day, so I doubt it'll be convenient to anyone. If departure time were closer to noon, more tourists might be interested.[/QUOTE]Plus it will only run on the weekend.

[QUOTE=Allover;2135787]I can't answer for the Paw but I suspect (and sincerely hope) he has this figured out. Either way his recent adventure was interesting reading as are most of his posts.[/QUOTE]I too am reading and I'm thinking that while he is writing I don't have to buy any novels to read.

Ahhhh. Was not following the posts. But the last ones were the ones I read and wanted to give MonkeyPaw a heads up in that he cannot leave by official channels and he is in for a world of hurt if he is stopped by authorities.

Even his hotel / residence could turn him in if they checked the stamps on his passport. I have had front desk girls flip through my passport or even make a copy of the front page in some countries. They try to hide it behind the counter but I am very wary of such things.

[QUOTE=Allover;2135787]I can't answer for the Paw but I suspect (and sincerely hope) he has this figured out. Either way his recent adventure was interesting reading as are most of his posts.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Wimble;2135605]Dude,

This is getting into serious territory. You will end up in deep trouble if you don't exit the same way without official notification. If you exit through official routes, they will look for your entry and then let you rest in their prison facility because you did not enter officially. When they let you out, several years later, they will ban you from entering the country again.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2135465]I'm in Bangkok now. God has bestowed upon me some serious powers to succeed in my journey. So I'm having a quick meal at Terminal 21 and later it will be time to play with the ladies. Hopefully we can hang out soon, buddy old pal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RobJones;2136032]I too am reading and I'm thinking that while he is writing I don't have to buy any novels to read.[/QUOTE]That's the problem. If he's writing this with fiction sprinkled in between, it's problematic because now people will actually think they can get their visa denied.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2135795]Plus it will only run on the weekend.[/QUOTE]I missed that part in the article. This, in addition to the stupid hours, makes the train utterly useless to us who primarily want to hobby.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2136034]Ahhhh. Was not following the posts. But the last ones were the ones I read and wanted to give MonkeyPaw a heads up in that he cannot leave by official channels and he is in for a world of hurt if he is stopped by authorities.

Even his hotel / residence could turn him in if they checked the stamps on his passport. I have had front desk girls flip through my passport or even make a copy of the front page in some countries. They try to hide it behind the counter but I am very wary of such things.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice and help, but Monkeypaw is classic. If you do your research online, you can follow Monkeypaw's adventures throughout many sex guide boards in years past. Actually my old ISG account has some legendary posts from the days of Nuevo Laredo in Texas. I'm always breaking rules and having fun doing so! By the way, I really wanted just to ignore those think who this is "fiction. " But I'm beginning to realize that some members on here are either Monkeypaw fans and some just really have a disdain view of the ole Monkeypaw. That means they don't like me one bit. And for those who are PMing me with support on my posts. "Thanks, sorry I can't respond to them all."

Just in case, you had doubts. Look at the dates in the conversation photos attached, bit out of order. Click on my profile and follow my ISG posts to see my locations. You'll get the idea soon enough. Monkeypaw is always a step ahead in matters like this. Why would I do so much work to create fiction? It's not like it's the end of the world and Monkeypaw has nothing else to do, right? Enjoy!

I'm sure Thai train travel is very slow but I have always wanted to take a short train trip. Preferably not a trip that starts at 6:30AM like the BKK-Pattaya route. Has anybody taken the train from BKK to Hua Hin? Or for that matter the boat service from Pattaya to Hua Hin? I'd be curious what that is like.

[QUOTE=Allover;2136113]I'm sure Thai train travel is very slow but I have always wanted to take a short train trip. [/QUOTE]You did say "short", but I can vouch for the Bkk to Vientiane (Lao PDR) trip.
Of course it stops on the Thai side of the border at Nong Khai and you need to bus to Vientiane after the border crossing but you know what I mean.

4 choices for departure times. Overnight or day.

Takes 8 - 12 hours depending on your choice of departure time.

Leaves from Hualamphong.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2136097]I missed that part in the article. This, in addition to the stupid hours, makes the train utterly useless to us who primarily want to hobby.[/QUOTE]I think it's aiming at Bangkok residents who want to go to (the beach in) Pattaya for a day in the weekend. So that's why it's leaving at 6:30 AM and going back to Bangkok at 3:50 PM.

[QUOTE=Allover;2136113]I'm sure Thai train travel is very slow [/QUOTE]Slow and bumpy. I've taken the night train once to Chiang Mai. It was a nice trip but it was quite bumpy because the tracks were not smooth.

But that was back in 2004. Maybe they have improved the tracks in the meantime.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2136034]Even his hotel / residence could turn him in if they checked the stamps on his passport. I have had front desk girls flip through my passport or even make a copy of the front page in some countries. They try to hide it behind the counter but I am very wary of such things.[/QUOTE]Every each of them do check the validity of your passport and if you have the stamps on it and keep a copy of it. Even in the apartment types of residence. Once I was asked to produce again my passport after having checked in in an apartment in Pattaya because they couldn't see clearly the stamps on the copy they made of my passport.

[QUOTE=Shiba7;2136058]That's the problem. If he's writing this with fiction sprinkled in between, it's problematic because now people will actually think they can get their visa denied.[/QUOTE]It's absolutely possible to have your visa denied. I come from a western European country and it's been a while that they are being more strict with the visa delivering. For example you have to be out of Thailand for at least 3 month before being able to get a new visa. Nowadays they also only deliver the single entry visa (for tourists).

[QUOTE=Allover;2136113]I'm sure Thai train travel is very slow but I have always wanted to take a short train trip. Preferably not a trip that starts at 6:30AM like the BKK-Pattaya route. Has anybody taken the train from BKK to Hua Hin? Or for that matter the boat service from Pattaya to Hua Hin? I'd be curious what that is like.[/QUOTE]I took the train once from Chiang Mai to BKK, and I think I was in the economical class with small fans everywhere and windows wide open. It took more than 20 hours. Would never do it again, such a pain in the ass.

Actually have heard of people denied visas. I am with you on the sprinkling. Now, many jurisdictions are digitizing their entry and exit scans so you can get red flagged and make future passages cumbersome. Even if the fault is not yours and immigration messed up. They are hard to clear up.

Think Monkey is going to burn Vietnam because he will be overstaying, no exit record, and Thailand, when they catch him. His next entries and exits will raise red flags and lead to big problems. A nice rest at their facilities. It is not like the old days where changing a passport or getting a fake stamp solves the problem because hard to match the records.

You see people being led away from the interview rooms at airports all the time. Saw a guy in a suit being led away in Singapore last month. Looked like a regular businessman.

[QUOTE=Shiba7;2136058]That's the problem. If he's writing this with fiction sprinkled in between, it's problematic because now people will actually think they can get their visa denied.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RobJones;2136032]I too am reading and I'm thinking that while he is writing I don't have to buy any novels to read.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Wimble;2136034]Ahhhh. Was not following the posts. But the last ones were the ones I read and wanted to give MonkeyPaw a heads up in that he cannot leave by official channels and he is in for a world of hurt if he is stopped by authorities.

Even his hotel / residence could turn him in if they checked the stamps on his passport. I have had front desk girls flip through my passport or even make a copy of the front page in some countries. They try to hide it behind the counter but I am very wary of such things.[/QUOTE]

If you want to try a SHORTER train journey then BKK to Kanchanaburi may be worth a try.

I took this trip a few years ago.

From BKK I seem to remember it took about two hours and the cost was 100 Baht.

The train had wooden seats and open side windows. At each stop locals got on selling hot food and drinks.

I ended up sharing a bottle of Thai whisky with the "friendly neighborhood drunk" so the trip was good fun.

Also enjoyed my few days stay in Kanchanabury (Bridge over the river Kwai.).

See my short report from 2012. (Post #1423 )

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1034-Other-Areas&p=1331565[/URL]#post1331565.

Enjoy,

Hotman.

[QUOTE=Allover;2136113]I'm sure Thai train travel is very slow but I have always wanted to take a short train trip. Preferably not a trip that starts at 6:30AM like the BKK-Pattaya route. Has anybody taken the train from BKK to Hua Hin? Or for that matter the boat service from Pattaya to Hua Hin? I'd be curious what that is like.[/QUOTE]I took a train from "Ekonomoi Station" BKK to "Ayuthaya" (sorry about the spelling), it was maybe two hours, mixed locals and tourists, interesting areas to see, and once at Ayuthaya enjoyed the sites with a "tut tut" for a few hours, then took a mini-van back to BKK, all doable alone but I had a nice Thai lady with me to do the logistics and relax with when we got back to BKK hotel.

I think the ruins in Ayuthaya are more impressive than the Temples in BKK.

The train had open windows, vendors selling food and beverage, it got quite full over the trip but not terrible, not too rough, I would do it again, I think it was 40 baht per person.

OK MonkeyPaw. Hehe. If I were you, I would clean up the Vietnam portion. I believe travel agencies can keep renewing your tourist visa for you and keep you current. You can probably find a legit way to get a LT visa in Thailand though being a pussy expert probably does not qualify! LOL. Good luck and keep on posting.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2136103]Thanks for the advice and help, but Monkeypaw is classic.

Just in case, you had doubts. Look at the dates in the conversation photos attached, bit out of order. Click on my profile and follow my ISG posts to see my locations. You'll get the idea soon enough. Monkeypaw is always a step ahead in matters like this. Why would I do so much work to create fiction? It's not like it's the end of the world and Monkeypaw has nothing else to do, right? Enjoy![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wimble;2136424]OK MonkeyPaw. Hehe. If I were you, I would clean up the Vietnam portion. I believe travel agencies can keep renewing your tourist visa for you and keep you current. You can probably find a legit way to get a LT visa in Thailand though being a pussy expert probably does not qualify! LOL. Good luck and keep on posting.[/QUOTE]I am visa exempt in Vietnam. So I just go back the same way I came. If Mexicans can cross into the United States, if Cambodians can cross into Thailand, what do you think an highly educated individual with more than enough money to play with can do when needing to get somewhere? Vietnam, Cambodia, and Thailand. 3 countries with poor fishing villages that have unregulated trade with each other. All I know is I'm enjoying Bangkok now and will be in Pattaya next week. At least I'm not sleeping on the streets!

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2131258]These days it takes longer to get through immigration than it does for the bags to arrive, unless you're flying business class and can use the express lane. I went through immigration a few months ago and the line was back down to the duty free shops.[/QUOTE]Yes. Sad times in that respect.

Good to hear. Look at the APEC business next time.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2136694]I am visa exempt in Vietnam. So I just go back the same way I came. If Mexicans can cross into the United States, if Cambodians can cross into Thailand, what do you think an highly educated individual with more than enough money to play with can do when needing to get somewhere? Vietnam, Cambodia, and Thailand. 3 countries with poor fishing villages that have unregulated trade with each other. All I know is I'm enjoying Bangkok now and will be in Pattaya next week. At least I'm not sleeping on the streets![/QUOTE]

I meant to say APEC Business Card.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2137059]Good to hear. Look at the APEC business next time.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2136203]It's absolutely possible to have your visa denied.[/QUOTE]It certainly happens. No need for second hand info. I was personally denied a tourist visa at one of the Thai consulates (although I complied with all the requirements and obtained visas there before at the same place without a problem). And a few weeks later obtained the same visa type at a different consulate, with LESS documentation.

They didn't tell me the reason, just a receipt with a "visa refused" written, so I can only speculate, but the refusal was [I]probably[/I] due to them not liking the number of previous Thai visas in my passport (about 4-5 over several years, does not seem excessive to me, nor to the [I]other[/I] consulate).

[QUOTE=HorneeFalang;2136947]Yes. Sad times in that respect.[/QUOTE]We arrived on Saturday and through pretty quick.

My experience for what it's worth. I thought it would be hard to get women to let me photograph or videotape them. Almost all were okay with letting me take a picture of them clothed. One would not let me take a photo of her face but let me photo her tits. I asked a woman I was in bed with to let me take a photo of her topless and she reluctantly let me after a bit of cajoling. She started to give me a blow job and a I reached for the camera to photo. I was just teasing her and said so but she got excited about the idea and had me pick back up the phone and tape it. She watched the video several times and over a few days would en our age me to video her blowing me. She loved to watch them and would position things so the lighting was correct, or hand me the camera before starting. She was very concerned I never show anyone and made me promise numerous times not to.

Another woman would let me take nude photos of her. In close pictures of her pussy or ass, and pictures of her nude. She let me take videos of her dressing and some photos of me fingerings her. But she never wanted to look at them afterwards. I never asked to set up the camera to get a better video. I would just hand hold it, so they are not as good as the first woman's videos.

I asked one woman to take nude photos of her, but she wanted to participate in some beauty pageant in the future and was worried they would show up somewhere and said no.

I wish I had asked more women for pictures. I just assumed they would say no so didn't ask. The 2 I spoke about above, I had weeks long relationships with, so that might be part of why they let me.

Anyway, if you want to videotape or take photos, just ask. Many will say okay. None seemed to be bothered by me asking.

I am returning to Thailand for 7th time in April, will primarily be in Pattaya, but I am creating my itinerary (12 days) which may include some day trips to Cambodia, or the Islands. I may not want to take along my big suitcase. Are there any facilities at the airport which will hold luggage for a few days?

Second. I love fishing, inland, any one have information on locations, guides, facilities which they recommend- I found several not be be dependable.

I like to mix tourism, good food, and good hotels on my visits, and a few ladies, so I will appreciate your help, and I can be called upon for information as well. Cheers.

Google airportels for luggage storage. 100 baht per day any size. One at suvarabhumi, terminal 21, central world in Bangkok. For a small fee they will also deliver around Bangkok.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2142601]Google airportels for luggage storage. 100 baht per day any size. One at suvarabhumi, terminal 21, central world in Bangkok. For a small fee they will also deliver around Bangkok.[/QUOTE]A lot of the BTS stations have them now as well. They are also available at the airport link stations.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2127989]Sitting there relaxing during the long journey? Many people (including me) cannot sleep in airplanes and are tired as hell after a long flight. So I understand very well that he's looking for an easy option for his first night.[/QUOTE]Thanks mate for your kind words!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2127813]Man get your lazy ass out and explore the place. You act like you are the one that will be flying the plane. You will be sitting there relaxing during the long journey. So unless you need a break from a break go see what the place has to offer instead of bullshitting around with websites and apps.[/QUOTE]Well, friend. I did exactly just that. However, reaching the place after a 10 HR long flight, there was limited energy to go out and explore immediately and that is where I was looking for guidance and sharing information (which happens to be the main purpose of this forum, ain't it?

[QUOTE=Klassic;2127831]If you're so concerned about your color. And have the money to offer much of BP and 4/5 star massage places why not just go for escort services. They're the same price as pretty much any BP girl (without the chance of scams) and will directly tell you if your color is an issue.[/QUOTE]Much of the BP / CL pages are from escort agencies brother. For a person not much versed with a a new country, even escort ads are miss or hit. At least in my experience, I have found services of independent girls better than escort agencies (bait and switch being too common in SE Asia).

First time heading to Thailand.

Looking for bareback all the way. Tired of covers in my other travels. I don't mind doing extra work and paying a little more.

Can any Thailand monger veteran tell me about the differences, with respect to mongering for bareback, between Bangkok, Phucket, Pattaya, other areas? I'm 29, Filipino from USA, if you think that matters to how locals perceive me.

Happy to meet up / buy you a beer and session for helping guide my trip.

Thanks!

Any information from knowledgeable members on this option? I may want a day or two break from Pattaya and thought this might be something to do and visit another destination.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2144519]Any information from knowledgeable members on this option? I may want a day or two break from Pattaya and thought this might be something to do and visit another destination.[/QUOTE]I guess you mean Hua Hin? Just google 'hua hin pattaya boat' and you'll get all the info you want.

I've decided to leave during Songkran again. I know Songkran in bkk is April 13th to 15th. Can anyone confirm the dates in pattaya? I read 11th to 20th but I recall songkran only being a week long in pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2145809]I've decided to leave during Songkran again. I know Songkran in bkk is April 13th to 15th. Can anyone confirm the dates in pattaya? I read 11th to 20th but I recall songkran only being a week long in pattaya.[/QUOTE]I would say from the 12th to 19th included (19th being the worst day).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2145809]I've decided to leave during Songkran again. I know Songkran in bkk is April 13th to 15th. Can anyone confirm the dates in pattaya? I read 11th to 20th but I recall songkran only being a week long in pattaya.[/QUOTE]Yep, 11th to 20th with the big party on 19th.

Some locals have told me that things get back to normal on 20th but I think I will avoid the place when I visit in April. Hope BKK is less splashy, at least it is only the weekend in BKK (13th, 14th and 15th).

[QUOTE=EdSetra;2145938]Yep, 11th to 20th with the big party on 19th.

Some locals have told me that things get back to normal on 20th but I think I will avoid the place when I visit in April. Hope BKK is less splashy, at least it is only the weekend in BKK (13th, 14th and 15th).[/QUOTE]I think the 15th of April will be the last Water War day since it is a Sunday. But I have been through 5 Songkran Weeks in a row here in Bangkok and none of them only lasted 3 days, not even the one following the King's passing. Not in the bar areas at least. I think you can count on Thursday the 12th being the start of the Water Wars in the bar areas if not the afternoon of Wednesday the 11th.

All it takes is one eager beaver per block who just can't wait to be the first to soak a Farang (or a fellow Farang) with a sneak attack to get things started. And there is no shortage of them by the dozens per block all over the city and especially within 2-3 blocks of the bar areas.

IMHO, you will have more fun in PI if you speak Tagalog. Think you will be quite marketable and tap regular girls. Just get the girl on some birth control first. You don't want leave a human trail.

[QUOTE=Dante702;2143612]First time heading to Thailand.

Looking for bareback all the way. Tired of covers in my other travels. I don't mind doing extra work and paying a little more.

Can any Thailand monger veteran tell me about the differences, with respect to mongering for bareback, between Bangkok, Phucket, Pattaya, other areas? I'm 29, Filipino from USA, if you think that matters to how locals perceive me.

Happy to meet up / buy you a beer and session for helping guide my trip.

Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dante702;2143612]First time heading to Thailand.

Looking for bareback all the way. Tired of covers in my other travels. I don't mind doing extra work and paying a little more.

Can any Thailand monger veteran tell me about the differences, with respect to mongering for bareback, between Bangkok, Phucket, Pattaya,
Thanks![/QUOTE]Not super hard to find a girl in BKK to go bareback (with no added cost) , but if you want a much higher batting average, my suggestion is to bring oraquik test kits from the US (for your own sense of comfort and hers). Or go to a hospital and get a hiv test plus syphillis in 4 hours. (will cost you 100 usd or so at bumrungrad). Such an assurance and perhaps even a slight monetary incentive should work reasonably well for you. So will your age.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2145979]I think the 15th of April will be the last Water War day since it is a Sunday.

I think you can count on Thursday the 12th being the start of the Water Wars in the bar areas if not the afternoon of Wednesday the 11th.
[/QUOTE]No escape. Might as well just enjoy it. Songkran now officially a 5 day event.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1419407/5-day-songkran-holiday-approved?utm_source=bangkopost.com&utm_medium=article_learning&utm_campaign=most_recent_box[/URL]

When it comes to Songkran, Pattaya is the worse of them all. I've been to the Bangkok and haven't been everywhere in Thailand but enough to see Bangkok for the capital is very tame in my opinion. It last about 3 days, many tell me Bangkok isn't indicative of what Thailand is all about that people actually dress different and got to go to a real job. I wear shorts only and when I go Bangkok, on the BTS, look around I'm a minority.

Three days is about right, I feel the whole country should set it up where they celebrate it all on the same dates and be done with it. Here in Pattaya, Chon Buri province it starts about 7-10 days before the 19th, suppose the final days but if you are hard core and need a shower, you can head down to Sattahip, Bang Suray on the 20th. The hardest play area is down starting early and get worse is down Beach Road, starting Soi 6,7.8. 9, But getting wet can happen anytime even at night going to W. S. If it fires you up my suggestion is don't come! The closer to the 19th, these areas get worse at night if I go out, I take a change of clothes on my bike and wear a plastic 29 baht wear and throw away plastic tarp.

Pattaya is basically a resort location swim wear type is completely opposite of Bangkok, which is just ideal during Songkran. As it gets closer to the 19th, every district starts to rev up, Jomtien, Darkside, Naklua, 18th, particularly 19th, Sukhumvit is a parking lot, if you want to party and patient you can go throughout Pattaya on the 18-19 and it would seem a storm front has hit Pattaya.

Personally, if one has to ask if they are going to get wet, the answer from me is don't come!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2146579] Bangkok for the capital is very tame in my opinion. It last about 3 days, many tell me Bangkok isn't indicative of what Thailand is all about that people actually dress different and got to go to a real job. [/QUOTE]I was wondering how bad it may be in Bangkok. I'd be pretty upset wearing an expensive suit getting drenched by p1 ss water on my way to a business meeting.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2146637]I was wondering how bad it may be in Bangkok. I'd be pretty upset wearing an expensive suit getting drenched by p1 ss water on my way to a business meeting.[/QUOTE]It's bad. We're talking about barrels of water with bags of ice in them and crowds of Thais and/or farangs dipping buckets into it to dump on your head, people with garden hoses in front of the restaurants, bars, hotels. Wherever you try to enter or emerge from a taxi, there will be teams of "jokers" with high powered water rifles on your side of the soi, on the other side of the soi, stationed at every gate and walkway ready to drench you many times over before you get to your destination. I live on a relatively quiet, sedate soi near the bar areas and it is impossible to walk 2 minutes in any direction without being soaked head to toe starting around 9:30 AM and ending around 10 PM every official day of Songkran and likely another day on either side of those days.

If you must wear expensive clothing or a suit, I recommend you carry it in a plastic bag and change into those clothes after you arrive wherever you're going. If you can't do that, buy a poncho with a hood that covers at least to your knees, take off your shoes and socks, roll up your pants legs and walk fast past the gangs without stopping. At least one of them will try to lift your poncho and toss a bucket of water up onto your butt and crotch anyway. Forget the idea that it will just be a few kids with water pistols. It is gangs of kids and adults, farang and Thai, armed with whatever it takes to get you and every, single, person walking down the street soaking wet. The only exceptions I have ever seen are very well dressed, very OLD ladies who look like they are on their way to temple. And even they are bound to get their shoes and hair wet from those water rifles over-shooting.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2146637]I was wondering how bad it may be in Bangkok. I'd be pretty upset wearing an expensive suit getting drenched by p1 ss water on my way to a business meeting.[/QUOTE]What will p1 ss you off more than anything are the stupid farangs who participate in Songkran by squirting water directly in to people's faces and generally making themselves look like try-hard fools. Having an exposed mobile phone or camera means nothing to these turds. All of this whilst these gerbils don't have a remote clue what the Songkran festival is all about.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2146685]What will p1 ss you off more than anything are the stupid farangs who participate in Songkran by squirting water directly in to people's faces and generally making themselves look like try-hard fools. Having an exposed mobile phone or camera means nothing to these turds. All of this whilst these gerbils don't have a remote clue what the Songkran festival is all about.[/QUOTE]It's about happy water.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2146681]The only exceptions I have ever seen are very well dressed, very OLD ladies who look like they are on their way to temple. And even they are bound to get their shoes and hair wet from those water rifles over-shooting.[/QUOTE]Then there's only one solution: disguise yourself as an old lady.

How about the police, military and security guys by the way? Are they targeted as well? Or even joining the 'game'?

[QUOTE=Stykler;2146685]What will p1 ss you off more than anything are the stupid farangs who participate in Songkran by squirting water directly in to people's faces [/QUOTE]Yep, plus they have no quarms squirting water into the face of motorcyclists. You need to be really careful that you do have an out of control bike come flying towards you. Done Song Kran in Thailand and Pi Mai in Laos quite a few times. This year it's golf in Australia.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2146637]I was wondering how bad it may be in Bangkok. I'd be pretty upset wearing an expensive suit getting drenched by p1 ss water on my way to a business meeting.[/QUOTE]Unless it was life and death and I'm sure there are reasons for holding a business meeting during the main Songkran days of water and had to wear a expensive suit I sure wouldn't be walking. I would be having my driver pick me up and drop me off inside the meeting car 'park in my limo! Anyone walking anywhere in a expensive suit on those days to be honest I would even be temped to toss some water your way.

If I really had to as noted I would carry cover protect my expensive suit, shoes, socks etc.. to the meeting and get dress. I think if I can do this going to W.S. nights I would have the brains to do this for a meeting.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2146756]Then there's only one solution: disguise yourself as an old lady.

How about the police, military and security guys by the way? Are they targeted as well? Or even joining the 'game'?[/QUOTE]You know, I don't remember seeing many police, military or security guys walking the streets then. Maybe a couple here and there. And, yes, they would be an exception to getting soaked by jokers.

I am planning for my second visit to Pattaya in June and wondering whether the rains will play spoilsport. Checked the weather data and June seems to be the start of the rainy season. I am thinking of second or third week of June. Preferably second week before Ramadan ends, not sure whether that makes any difference in terms of crowds.

My last visit was in November and the weather was perfect.

Please let me know if there is any large event coming up in June in Pattaya that one should be aware of. Last time I did not know about the international fleet meet in November and it was a nightmare with road closures and resulted in lot of pain the butt moving around for an entire day. For someone who is there for just a few days it makes a big difference. Thanks folks!

News article on the Yahoo Philippines website.

[URL]https://ph.news.yahoo.com/thai-tourism-body-says-opposes-sex-tourism-041610140.html[/URL]

I will be passing through Bangkok this May for a few days and plan to check out the nightclubs while I am there. Recommendation or feedback on the ones to avoid is greatly appreciated.

This is my list so far.

- Insanity.

- Levels (Is this the one over at aLoft?

- Mixx.

- GLOW.

- Shock39.

- NARZ.

- Route 66.

I am also hoping to get some intel on the quality and market rate of FL found in these clubs. Thanks.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2147478]I am planning for my second visit to Pattaya in June and wondering whether the rains will play spoilsport. Checked the weather data and June seems to be the start of the rainy season. I am thinking of second or third week of June. Preferably second week before Ramadan ends, not sure whether that makes any difference in terms of crowds.

My last visit was in November and the weather was perfect.[/QUOTE]I've been to Pattaya smack in the middle of June on a couple of occasions. In fact, I had the exact same concern before my first visit in June but when I was there, I quickly realized that, although, it tends to rain often but it comes and goes quite fast. Last year, in fact, there was hardly any rainfall during my 4 days in Pattaya in June. In any case, from what I have experienced, it doesn't rain cats and dogs and shouldn't put a dampener on any plans. Cheers!

[QUOTE=AnonMous;2148840]I've been to Pattaya smack in the middle of June on a couple of occasions. In fact, I had the exact same concern before my first visit in June but when I was there, I quickly realized that, although, it tends to rain often but it comes and goes quite fast. Last year, in fact, there was hardly any rainfall during my 4 days in Pattaya in June. In any case, from what I have experienced, it doesn't rain cats and dogs and shouldn't put a dampener on any plans. Cheers![/QUOTE]Thanks much Anon Mous. But now my wing man has shifted the dates by a month to July. Looks like we are taking a big risk but will consider it part of the experience.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2149586]Thanks much Anon Mous. But now my wing man has shifted the dates by a month to July. Looks like we are taking a big risk but will consider it part of the experience.[/QUOTE]I was in Bangkok and Pattaya in July last year. There were heavy showers, almost daily, that lasted for over an hour and flooded the streets. Often accompanied with strong wind. Sometimes it was raining for several hours but never all day long.

Always take an umbrella with you (even though it won't keep you entirely dry most of the time) and don't wear your best shoes. And try to keep your valuables somewhere safe and dry.

I'm considering a trip to BKK, but the stigma of STDs there concerns me. I saw a blog where the guy said never go with a FL because of the lack of testing. He went on to say that the bars test their girls often. Any insight on this is welcome! Thanks, BR.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2149919]I'm considering a trip to BKK, but the stigma of STDs there concerns me. I saw a blog where the guy said never go with a FL because of the lack of testing. He went on to say that the bars test their girls often. Any insight on this is welcome! Thanks, BR.[/QUOTE]Some escort agencies do STD testing and like to keep it updated. For example, My Thai Tour Guide even post the date of the latest STD test on each girl info page. I know other do regular testing but do not publish the date of last report, but you can ask agency for this info when booking. I am not as familiar with go-go bars, but some senior members can share their experience.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2149919]I'm considering a trip to BKK, but the stigma of STDs there concerns me.[/QUOTE]Wear a condom of the right size, use enough lube, wash up afterwards. That's the best you can do.

All the bullshit you hear about testing is virtually irrelevant -- some of the girls do 4 guys a day, and a monthly test means roughly nothing, as she could have easily been with 50 guys between the test and you. Knowing Thailand, I imagine "testing" often involves paying a clinic to sign and stamp a piece of paper, without as much as a look the patient's direction. My Thai driving license medical checkup went like that.

I think freelancers are just as (un) safe as any other category of girls. People like to be reassured about their choices, even with zero real evidence, especially if they engage in unsafe sex, so they tend to spew unsubstantiated claims.

Note that while condoms are effective, they won't protect you against a few things, most notable of which is HPV (genital warts).

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2149919]I'm considering a trip to BKK, but the stigma of STDs there concerns me. I saw a blog where the guy said never go with a FL because of the lack of testing. He went on to say that the bars test their girls often. Any insight on this is welcome! Thanks, BR.[/QUOTE]1. Don't get drunk.

2. Avoid DFK and DATY.

3. Avoid barebacking.

4. Take a shower right after sex and do not sleep through the night without a good wash unless you want genital warts.

5. Take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] after sex if you get BBBJ.

6. Getting circumcised helps a lot. I had mine when I was 30 just because I enjoy BBBJs that much.

7. Read # 1 again.

Some of my friends say I may as well jerk off rather than avoid kissing and DATY. But they are the ones shitting their pants every time they get a blister or a sore or fever.

They also feel endless guilt for having intimate sex with their wives because they just aren't sure they are clean.

Play it safe. The peace of mind that comes with safe sex is priceless especially when you are not a loner!

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2150043]Wear a condom of the right size, use enough lube, wash up afterwards. That's the best you can do. ..... (genital warts).[/QUOTE]My Badoo girl get angry why I get wash afterwards every time I do. In this case I use a special antibiotic soap what I always carry for my genital wash (not a guaranteed things but will help). But careful about the soap water or foam not to enter inside your tool's door, very much uncomfortable if you get the inflammation.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2150162]But careful about the soap water or foam not to enter inside your tool's door, very much uncomfortable if you get the inflammation.[/QUOTE]Something I try to do is to drink some water beforehand and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] during the after-sex wash up (after rinsing first). Not sure how much it helps, but I assume it does. As for antibacterial soap, it's fine, but there's no strong evidence that it's better at reducing bacteria in real-world use than regular soap (FDA recently dealt with this).

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2150162]My Badoo girl get angry why I get wash afterwards every time I do. In this case I use a special antibiotic soap what I always carry for my genital wash (not a guaranteed things but will help). But careful about the soap water or foam not to enter inside your tool's door, very much uncomfortable if you get the inflammation.[/QUOTE]Anti-biotic soap? That probably has limited benefits against bacteria (I am not too sure), and zero benefits against viruses. If soap is alkaline, it is not good for your dick, due to yeast / fungal infections thriving on Alkaline. A mildly acidic wash (pH < 7) is best and no danger of inflammation although I never tried to get it to go in the hole. LOL.

I don't like to use cake of soaps at all, but smoother gels or liquids. I use a low pH wash on my dick. Important to protect against yeast infections in sticky climate. I don't wear undies around the house, loose shorts only, as plenty of air is good for those parts.

Genital warts is from Human Papilloma Virus (many different strains). I am guessing condoms and any type of washing could help but not be a guarantee, even if it is not easy to catch. There are always some risks. I don't have any genital warts to my knowledge. I guess this comes from having very limited BB partners, most likely. Most people will have had a wart or papilloma somewhere on their body. They can be burnt off with liquid nitrogen.

I don't see it as a big deal unless you are a girl with lots of warts inside the pussy, which makes fucking her uncomfortable due to hard lumpy nature. Its not enjoyable to DATY a girl with warts in the outer region either, I know that from experience. So best get warts removed if possible.

Picking up the virus from another is no where near as easy as some other STDs, I believe. If get to my age having avoided genital warts and Herpes, I think it unlikely that there is a big risk coming. I still use very thin Japanese condoms for mongering more for fear of catching the very highly transmittable diseases, from very suspect unsafe girls.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2150548].......... I still use very thin Japanese condoms for mongering more for fear of catching the very highly transmittable diseases, from very suspect unsafe girls.[/QUOTE]Condom is must even the girl comes from dating sites, regardless pro or non pro. Generally I always check and try well beforehand going for DATY and Listerine afterwards.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2150142]
Some of my friends say I may as well jerk off rather than avoid kissing and DATY. But they are the ones shitting their pants every time they get a blister or a sore or fever.[/QUOTE]I'm kissing and DATY'ing the girls for almost 15 years now and I've never catched a blister, sore or fever. Maybe a cold occasionally, but that's all.

I could go without kissing but I could certainly not go without DATY. I just love it too much and the girls too. And I hardly ever need lube which makes their pussies too 'slippery' anyway, certainly in combination with condoms.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2150548]Anti-biotic soap? That probably has limited benefits against bacteria (I am not too sure), and zero benefits against viruses. If soap is alkaline, it is not good for your dick, due to yeast / fungal infections thriving on Alkaline. A mildly acidic wash (pH < 7) is best and no danger of inflammation although I never tried to get it to go in the hole. LOL.
[/QUOTE]I concur. I'm not an expert but I think all this washing with soap only makes your dick more vulnerable for diseases. A lot of people are 'too clean' because they use too much soap which reduces the resistance of the skin against bacteria, viruses, yeast, fungal, etc.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2150572]I concur. I'm not an expert but I think all this washing with soap only makes your dick more vulnerable for diseases. A lot of people are 'too clean' because they use too much soap which reduces the resistance of the skin against bacteria, viruses, yeast, fungal, etc.[/QUOTE]I'm a scientist (no joke) and YES, antibacterial soaps are not all they're cracked up to be. Sure, they have some effectiveness, but long term usage by an individual, and at a community health level they are actually responsible for the increasing prevalence of antibiotic resistant strains. And nope, they do nothing to protect against viruses, so if you're worried about HPV related genital warts or HIV, they don't add any value other than being 'soap'.

As for the alkalinity / pH of the soap you use, that's a really complicated topic that has as much to do with your own personal genetics and your 'microbiome' - we all live with a population of 'bug' cells in and on our bodies that comprise as many up to many times the number of human cells that make up our bodies. Everyone's composition is different, and depending on the ecosystem you live with, the pH consideration can be different for everyone.

Never thought my professional life would intersect with my mongering!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2150570]I'm kissing and DATY'ing the girls for almost 15 years now and I've never catched a blister, sore or fever. Maybe a cold occasionally, but that's all.

I could go without kissing but I could certainly not go without DATY. I just love it too much and the girls too. And I hardly ever need lube which makes their pussies too 'slippery' anyway, certainly in combination with condoms.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. I'll forgo kissing but if I can't do some DATY, I consider the time a dud. Nothing better than a naturally lubed pussy! I also find that if you give a little and the girl actually lets herself enjoy the time together, she's much more comfortable and the sex is better. I don't have any regulars (anymore) in Thailand, but from my FKK experience in Germany I have a good selection of girls that I know are good performers and who actually look forward to my oral skills. One girl just a week ago at Oase in Frankfurt commented "Oh, I was so happy when I saw you because I was looking forward to this!

Hi guys,

I just want to share some tips in regards to your phone when you are home and you have a partner. There is nothing worse then when your partner, for whatever reason uses your phone and something discriminating appears on your screen. I use my computer at work for Thai Friendly, Badoo and any other hook up sites and also for ISG. My wife will use Whatsapp for messaging and international calls so I never use it for P4 P. I never use my phone number for a contact or my work or private email choosing to use a email account under my nom de guerre.

Choose to disable alerts of any apps you use for P4P contacts and I will generally have my phone on silent when I'm home most of the time just in case of a random call from Line as it has a very distinctive ringtone. I will block a contact if she phones to much as I am not after a GF but NSA sex. With my Line icon I keep it hidden in a folder on my phone with all the useless crap like Home, Health, Compass etc which then has 3 pages and Line is on the last page. I have a pass code with a very random combination that my wife will not guess in a thousand years and my explanation for having the app will be that a friend downloaded for me when I got my first IPhone and I have forgotten that I even have it.

If you take pics email them immediately to your safe email and delete immediately. Check your messages and email regularly for any discriminating messages even some like from trip advisor suggesting hotels in Pattaya. My wingman laughs at the trouble I go to but he is single and hasn't anything to lose. I live by the motto "poor planning = poor performance".

I hope some of you guys find this useful and saves you from being caught out and if anyone can add to this please do. A good friend of mine got busted recently by his partner and I don't want to see anyone else get put in the same situation.

Thanks Rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2151858]Hi Guys.

I just want to share some tips in regards to your phone when you are home and you have a partner. There is nothing worse then when your partner, for whatever reason uses your phone and something discriminating appears on your screen. I use my computer at work for Thai Friendly, Badoo and any other hook up sites and also for ISG. My wife will use Whatsapp for messaging and international calls so I never use it for P4 P. I never use my phone number for a contact or my work or private email choosing to use a Gmail account under my nom de guerre.

Choose to disable alerts of any apps you use for P4 P contacts and I will generally have my phone on silent when I'm home most of the time just in case of a random call from Line as it has a very distinctive ringtone. I will block a contact if she phones to much as I am not after a GF but NSA sex. With my Line icon I keep it hidden in a folder on my phone with all the useless crap like Home, Health, Compass etc which then has 3 pages and Line is on the last page. I have a pass code with a very random combination that my wife will not guess in a thousand years and my explanation for having the app will be that a friend downloaded for me when I got my first IPhone and I have forgotten that I even have it..[/QUOTE]Really good advice. I would also recommend having a second phone that you only keep at work. I keep mine in the desk drawer under some other stuff. When I travel I take out the battery and put phone and battery at very bottom of backpack under tons of other crap. This really keeps thing separate. Deadly if she finds it but only one thing to hide very carefully.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2151858]Hi Guys.

I just want to share some tips in regards to your phone when you are home and you have a partner. There is nothing worse then when your partner, for whatever reason uses your phone and something discriminating appears on your screen. I use my computer at work for Thai Friendly, Badoo and any other hook up sites and also for ISG. My wife will use Whatsapp for messaging and international calls so I never use it for P4P. I never use my phone number for a contact or my work or private email choosing to use a email account under my nom de guerre.

Choose to disable alerts of any apps you use for P4 P contacts and I will generally have my phone on silent when I'm home most of the time just in case of a random call from Line as it has a very distinctive ringtone. I will block a contact if she phones to much as I am not after a GF but NSA sex. With my Line icon I keep it hidden in a folder on my phone with all the useless crap like Home, Health, Compass etc which then has 3 pages and Line is on the last page. I have a pass code with a very random combination that my wife will not guess in a thousand years and my explanation for having the app will be that a friend downloaded for me when I got my first IPhone and I have forgotten that I even have it..[/QUOTE]Really good advice. I would also recommend having a second phone that you only keep at work. I keep mine in the desk drawer under some other stuff. When I travel I take out the battery and put phone and battery at very bottom of backpack under tons of other crap. This really keeps thing separate. Deadly if she finds it but only one thing to hide very carefully.

IMHO, I would add three points. Set the phone not to back up images to the cloud.

Two. Use a rooted Android phone and hide the apps you don't want seen. You can have a hidden gallery too. Many additional security apps.

Three. Get a second Android phone or one than can handle 2 SIMs. Set the phone to "self destruct" erase under certain conditions.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2151858]I just want to share some tips in regards to your phone when you are home and you have a partner.

I have a pass code with a very random combination that my wife will not guess in a thousand years and my explanation for having the app will be that a friend downloaded for me when I got my first IPhone and I have forgotten that I even have it.

If you take pics email them immediately to your safe email and delete immediately.[/QUOTE]

If you have a recent Android phone, use secure folder. You can take pics from there with the phone and they remain inside.

Thanks for all the input. Realistically after my first experience in Pattaya the need for contacts is minimal but as hunters I think we are all in the chase.

Rob.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2152148]IMHO, I would add three points. Set the phone not to back up images to the cloud.

Two. Use a rooted Android phone and hide the apps you don't want seen. You can have a hidden gallery too. Many additional security apps.

Three. Get a second Android phone or one than can handle 2 SIMs. Set the phone to "self destruct" erase under certain conditions.[/QUOTE]Good suggestions. How do you set up the phone content or software to self-destruct or erase other than disabling it after locking it because of failure to input right password? Is there an option available to most smartphones to do this?

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2149919]I'm considering a trip to BKK, but the stigma of STDs there concerns me. I saw a blog where the guy said never go with a FL because of the lack of testing. He went on to say that the bars test their girls often. Any insight on this is welcome! Thanks, BR.[/QUOTE]Yes, the majority have a testing 'regime'.

And some of them actually conduct legitimate testing.

Google is your friend. There are wrinkles in the feature.

[QUOTE=ArthurBishop;2152493]Good suggestions. How do you set up the phone content or software to self-destruct or erase other than disabling it after locking it because of failure to input right password? Is there an option available to most smartphones to do this?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=RobJones;2151858] I use my computer at work for Thai Friendly, Badoo and any other hook up sites and also for ISG.
[/QUOTE]Unless you're self-employed, this is a really, really, really bad idea. Assume that your employer has full access to everything. Even if you're using a web browser in incognito mode, if it's on the company network, it's not private.

Hi Guys.

Probably a stupid question but I'm asking anyhow, I am going to Pattaya again in May but my wife thinks I will be in another Australian City for a conference. Of course she will want to talk to me occasionally on the phone so I am thinking of not getting a local SIM but using my phone with the Australian carrier. Will my ID show as an overseas number since I will be technically using a foreign carrier? I am sure it will just be my ID in her phone but I want to be 100% sure. I have started to call her locally using whatsapp so that in 2 months time she won't be suspicious of me using it all of a sudden when I'm out of town.

Thanks Rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2155576]Hi Guys.

Probably a stupid question but I'm asking anyhow, I am going to Pattaya again in May but my wife thinks I will be in another Australian City for a conference. Of course she will want to talk to me occasionally on the phone so I am thinking of not getting a local SIM but using my phone with the Australian carrier. Will my ID show as an overseas number since I will be technically using a foreign carrier? I am sure it will just be my ID in her phone but I want to be 100% sure. I have started to call her locally using whatsapp so that in 2 months time she won't be suspicious of me using it all of a sudden when I'm out of town.

Thanks Rob.[/QUOTE]I don't know much about Australian carrier, but I assume they pretty much function similarly. I am on US carrier, and never bother to get local SIM since my phone plan already includes unlimited overseas data and calls to the US are reasonable cheap. When I make calls to the US from overseas, the recipient only sees my original caller ID. I think you should be more concerned about getting your stories lined up from time zone to weather to background noise, LOL.

Pretty sure your regular number will show on her screen, no matter where you are dialing from. But good thinking softening her up with WA bebfore you travel, that's some planning!

Make sure you internalize the time zone differences and can explain the gap between her missed call to you and your return call!

[QUOTE=RobJones;2155576]Hi Guys.

Probably a stupid question but I'm asking anyhow, I am going to Pattaya again in May but my wife thinks I will be in another Australian City for a conference. Of course she will want to talk to me occasionally on the phone so I am thinking of not getting a local SIM but using my phone with the Australian carrier. Will my ID show as an overseas number since I will be technically using a foreign carrier? I am sure it will just be my ID in her phone but I want to be 100% sure. I have started to call her locally using whatsapp so that in 2 months time she won't be suspicious of me using it all of a sudden when I'm out of town.

Thanks Rob.[/QUOTE]

If you fear catching something, wear a raincoat! Carry your own from home (Thai condoms are fine and available everywhere, but can be tight and thicker than top shelf ones), and the more variety of sampling you do, the more often you should wear one!

I always cover up for FS, but rarely for oral. Knock on wood, so far, so good! YMMV, obviously.

I wouldn't rely on the the girls claim to have been tested regularly, although the more premium the provider, the more likely I suppose.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2155606]I don't know much about Australian carrier, but I assume they pretty much function similarly. I am on US carrier, and never bother to get local SIM since my phone plan already includes unlimited overseas data and calls to the US are reasonable cheap. When I make calls to the US from overseas, the recipient only sees my original caller ID. I think you should be more concerned about getting your stories lined up from time zone to weather to background noise, LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2149919]I'm considering a trip to BKK, but the stigma of STDs there concerns me. I saw a blog where the guy said never go with a FL because of the lack of testing. He went on to say that the bars test their girls often. Any insight on this is welcome! Thanks, BR.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your responses. I thought as much regarding the phone number and don't worry I am all-over time zones etc. It will be a 3 hour behind time difference and that's easy to cover and her employment commerce's at 6. 30 am so she knows I won't answer the phone then. I travel a bit for business and she knows not to call thru business hours and that at nights I am usually tied up. It's really just for those 5 minute how are you, love you calls. The more I think about it the more I will stick to the WA idea as it won't show up on any bills, not that she is interested in them, and won't cost me anything.

Thanks rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2155647]Thanks for your responses. I<SNIP>
The more I think about it the more I will stick to the WA idea as it won't show up on any bills, not that she is interested in them, and won't cost me anything.
[/QUOTE]The best laid plans of mice and men. LOL.

It's a high risk adventure Rob. You have to assume nothing will go wrong too. I recall how a mate of mine on the same sort of trip stepped off a curb and broke his ankle. Innocent enough accident but it got complicated to fix in a hospital and he needed all his international health care cards etc and it turned out to be impossible to hide from his other half.

Whats App is your best bet through wifi only, because calls listed on the cellular phone records are detailed and will show the foreign carrier when you hook into the normal Thai system.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2155606]I don't know much about Australian carrier, but I assume they pretty much function similarly. I am on US carrier, and never bother to get local SIM since my phone plan already includes unlimited overseas data and calls to the US are reasonable cheap. When I make calls to the US from overseas, the recipient only sees my original caller ID. I think you should be more concerned about getting your stories lined up from time zone to weather to background noise, LOL.[/QUOTE]Don't underestimate the "ring tone".

Some countries have different ones from other countries.

Cross check the Australian one with the Thai one, just to make sure you don't slip on a banana.

Only a crazy thai girl would pick that up.

Another thing to do. If you happen to be in that city at all. Take pics. I have whole store of pics from HK, macao, singapore, ect I can use if whatever thai or other GF asks. Especially ones in hotel rooms so you can say "no, in room alone, see".

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2155808]Don't underestimate the "ring tone".

Some countries have different ones from other countries.

Cross check the Australian one with the Thai one, just to make sure you don't slip on a banana.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2156050]Only a crazy thai girl would pick that up.

Another thing to do. If you happen to be in that city at all. Take pics. I have whole store of pics from HK, macao, singapore, ect I can use if whatever thai or other GF asks. Especially ones in hotel rooms so you can say "no, in room alone, see".[/QUOTE]And how do you pull that off with a video call? This is 2018 and you are running with 2007 game.

Thanks for all the feedback. When I was there in February and she knew I was in Pattaya all she wanted to do was video calls! To check out the room maybe who knows? I do travel a lot for work domestically and she never wants to video call then! Hotel rooms are hotel rooms and look the same unless you stay at the Penthouse like I did in February! So that was an issue. Since posting I have only used WA with her and no questions! So I think that is the plan. I hope I don't fall off a gutter Redkilt LOL but you are spot on about things going wrong but it's all part of the hunt and the excitement. 5 days in total so if I do suffer any injury other raw dick and empty balls I think I will try to carry until back on home ground but I am pretty cautious when I'm overseas.

The other thing is wedding rings? I didn't wear it in February but there was a "scar". I'm thinking of just keeping it on this trip because I'm sure as long as you are paying they couldn't care if you are married or not?

Flights and hotel booked for May 27 to 1 June.

Thanks Rob.

Hey Guys,

Quick question please. Where can I get Original Cialis in BKK? I don't mind if it's expensive, I want the original stuff and not the fake stuff you can also find. If anyone can share the name / location of any Pharmacy in the Sukhumvit area that sells the original version, please let me know.

Thanks!

Cheers,

BR.

Ah, had to plan and execute that recently. Only while in bed, and remove photos or other very distinctive wall hangings. And the monogrammed bathroab and such. Then only at night while in bed and with low light saying your tired. Granted if she pushes you are probably already in trouble. Of course the difficulty was that I wasn't alone at night most of the time in bed, hahaha.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2156066]And how do you pull that off with a video call? This is 2018 and you are running with 2007 game.[/QUOTE]

My go to for anything is the pharmacy on the south side of suk just past the soi 4 gas station to the west. Been buying various things there for years with never an issue and price is fair.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2156260]Hey Guys,

Quick question please. Where can I get Original Cialis in BKK? I don't mind if it's expensive, I want the original stuff and not the fake stuff you can also find. If anyone can share the name / location of any Pharmacy in the Sukhumvit area that sells the original version, please let me know.

Thanks!

Cheers,

BR.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2156474]Ah, had to plan and execute that recently. Only while in bed, and remove photos or other very distinctive wall hangings. And the monogrammed bathroab and such. Then only at night while in bed and with low light saying your tired. Granted if she pushes you are probably already in trouble. Of course the difficulty was that I wasn't alone at night most of the time in bed, hahaha.[/QUOTE]The problem I had was that I was staying at the Penthouse Hotel and you are not familiar with the Hotel go to their website and you can see why I didn't want to make video calls from there. Once I was in Bangkok it was a different story as the room was normal. Time difference is my friend because calling Australia for 7 pm makes it 3 pm and I usually had my morning / lunch girl away and before I went for the afternoon / evening girl LOL.

That's the last thing to worry about. Except maybe losing it!

A WG will play with it on your finger and ask if you have kids. Sometimes it will make the daliance a little more intimate, but at the end of the day she is with you for the money, not to be your next wife.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2156091]Thanks for all the feedback. When I was there in February and she knew I was in Pattaya all she wanted to do was video calls! To check out the room maybe who knows? I do travel a lot for work domestically and she never wants to video call then! Hotel rooms are hotel rooms and look the same unless you stay at the Penthouse like I did in February! So that was an issue. Since posting I have only used WA with her and no questions! So I think that is the plan. I hope I don't fall off a gutter Redkilt LOL but you are spot on about things going wrong but it's all part of the hunt and the excitement. 5 days in total so if I do suffer any injury other raw dick and empty balls I think I will try to carry until back on home ground but I am pretty cautious when I'm overseas.

The other thing is wedding rings? I didn't wear it in February but there was a "scar". I'm thinking of just keeping it on this trip because I'm sure as long as you are paying they couldn't care if you are married or not?

Flights and hotel booked for May 27 to 1 June.

Thanks Rob.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chacal60;2156580]That's the last thing to worry about. Except maybe losing it!

A WG will play with it on your finger and ask if you have kids. Sometimes it will make the daliance a little more intimate, but at the end of the day she is with you for the money, not to be your next wife.[/QUOTE]Funny you should mention that they will play with it! Some of the girls were running their fingers around where white mark is from wearing the ring asking coyly "what is this?" Hahaha.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2156578]The problem I had was that I was staying at the Penthouse Hotel and you are not familiar with the Hotel go to their website and you can see why I didn't want to make video calls from there. Once I was in Bangkok it was a different story as the room was normal. Time difference is my friend because calling Australia for 7 pm makes it 3 pm and I usually had my morning / lunch girl away and before I went for the afternoon / evening girl LOL.[/QUOTE]So don't stay in a Suspect Hotel. No man can be in Pattaya and not suspected of playing up, BTW.

My GF once believed I was in Chiang Mai without her, when I was actually out of Thailand. LOL Girls get very suspicious.

If you are not wear you are supposed to be, you cannot safely answer a phone, as even background sounds can give away that you are not where you say you are, and that is even without video. Video calls have destroyed ability to be anywhere on the sly, other than briefly when you can claim no signal or flat battery. It is wise to have a separate phone and phone number for mongering things, locked up. Preferably small so can be hidden away when necessary.

Fortunately I have always had multiple phone numbers for different countries so additional phone handsets does not create much suspicion by itself. I always had spare phones too.

Girls will investigate your bags, so when she finds Viagra condoms, she might want to know what is going on.

My biggest problem causing suspicion was special lube for sex. How come a large quantity just disappeared? I realised that my supply for mongering had to be hidden away and not found.

My one and only time at the Penthouse for obvious reasons LOL. The video call thing blindsided me as when I am away locally she never wants to video call so maybe a little suspicion involved. She is well versed when she knows I am away for work functions and knows that I can call only at certain times and usually from my room where I can control the time and the environment. I am not worried about any girls finding condoms, Viagra or lube as I don't use any at home and buy them just before I leave the country and leave in the hotel when I book out. My conditioning her with WA calls is working fine and she hasn't asked why all of a sudden I'm using the app! She uses it all time with her friends so probably is unaware of my sudden use.

Thanks again for all the feedback and I will fill in a report when I return or discuss my pending divorce, LOL, if my plan backfires.

Rob.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2155808] Some countries have different ones from other countries. [/QUOTE]Also don't forget that you will be on a foreign carrier so if your phone is off when someone rings it they will get a Thai greeting saying the phone is off, not an Australian one.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2157209]Also don't forget that you will be on a foreign carrier so if your phone is off when someone rings it they will get a Thai greeting saying the phone is off, not an Australian one.[/QUOTE]Didn't think of that! But I never turn my phone off but I will have it run on silent but a good tip. She has been known not to speak to me for several days if we have an argument so I may [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] her off the morning I leave LOL.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2157419]Didn't think of that! But I never turn my phone off but I will have it run on silent but a good tip. LOL.[/QUOTE]It might still be off if you are in an uncovered area.

Best strategy is to call first and prevent phone calls in areas where background noise is revealing.

I was once in a sea shore and officially the sea shouldn't be were I was. So add to move quickly away from the wave noise.

In addition the young daughter of a friend of mine started to call my name from far to join the group.

And my name is not as popular as John.

Seconds of panic. Survived.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2157423]It might still be off if you are in an uncovered area.

Best strategy is to call first and prevent phone calls in areas where background noise is revealing.

I was once in a sea shore and officially the sea shouldn't be were I was. So add to move quickly away from the wave noise.

In addition the young daughter of a friend of mine started to call my name from far to join the group.

And my name is not as popular as John.

Seconds of panic. Survived.[/QUOTE]Good advice. I have no plan of leaving Pattaya and the coverage is pretty good there. She is calling me locally on whatsapp now so my grooming is working! I usually initiate calls when I'm away for business as she doesn't know when I'm busy or not and she knows the taboo of calls thru meetings. I just have to make sure that there is a good morning message in the morning when she is at work and a call or missed call atleast between 6 pm and 8 pm.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2157426] I just have to make sure that there is a good morning message in the morning when she is at work and a call or missed call atleast between 6 pm and 8 pm.[/QUOTE]RJ.

All this pre-planning activity almost guarantees that something will go pear-shaped somewhere along the line.

I hope you are not so paranoid thinking about what can go wrong that you forget to have a good time and to make it all worth the painful drama.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2157510]RJ.

All this pre-planning activity almost guarantees that something will go pear-shaped somewhere along the line.

I hope you are not so paranoid thinking about what can go wrong that you forget to have a good time and to make it all worth the painful drama.[/QUOTE]Nah mate all good. My 5th international trip on the sly and 2 to 3 domestic excursions a year and I follow same schedule as when I'm travelling for work so nothing new for her for me to be away. I am very pragmatic and if I have a mishap so be it, I won't lose any sleep if I am caught and end up being single again.

Breaking News is that Uber in Thailand has been taken over by Taxi Grab. Just a rumour I heard without looking in to it. I never used Uber so no effect on me. I like All Thai taxis.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2158679]I like All Thai taxis.[/QUOTE]Bangkok is not the problem. The majority of taxi drivers will run a meter. In pattaya almost all refuse to run a meter even though the law says it is required. It will cost a minimum of 200 baht even if your trip is only a half km.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2158679]I like All Thai taxis.[/QUOTE]How about the one where the taxi driver killed an American with a machete?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2158679]Breaking News is that Uber in Thailand has been taken over by Taxi Grab. Just a rumour I heard without looking in to it. I never used Uber so no effect on me. I like All Thai taxis.[/QUOTE]Good that you never used it. I tried using Grab once, in vain, to get from one of the malls, I think it was Central World, to Fraser Suites. I must have waited for, at least, 30 minutes or so for a car that never arrived, despite it being ever so close. Of course, when I called the driver, we both were quite adept in failing to understand each other. Ultimately, canceled and took the skytrain, which was far more efficient. On another occasion, with equal futility, tried getting a Grab car to Grande Centre Point Terminal 21. I think there is a huge language barrier and explaining your precise location to the non-English speaking drivers, who are en route and trying to navigate the crazy traffic, can be, to put it lightly, a challenge. I have used Grab extensively in Singapore, works like a charm. The car used to arrive in the time it used to take me to get from my hotel room to the lobby, 2-3 minutes max. In Bkk, 100-200 THB flat rates suit me the best, especially when you can negotiate this rate for even, somewhat, long distances.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2158760]How about the one where the taxi driver killed an American with a machete?[/QUOTE]The American was an expat who had lived here for several years and spoke fluent Thai. He was arguing about a 50 baht fare and threw hot coffee on the driver. He should have know better and they both ultimately paid a heavy price.

[QUOTE=AnonMous;2158762]Good that you never used it. I tried using Grab once, in vain, to get from one of the malls, I think it was Central World, to Fraser Suites. I must have waited for, at least, 30 minutes or so for a car that never arrived, despite it being ever so close. Of course, when I called the driver, we both were quite adept in failing to understand each other.[/QUOTE]I try to use Grab in Pattaya but it is not easy. Drivers are terrorised by what they call the taxi mafia. I suspect taxis to post lurking cars at strategic points. I also suspect taxis to infiltrate Grab in order to frustrate clients, for quite a few of times I've had cars being "4 minutes away" but neither coming any closer nor canceling.

And of course, communication is abysmal. What doesn't help is that I have scant knowledge of the car makes here in Thailand. They're all Toyota or Nissan something but that doesn't get me very far. What I hate most is when a driver phones me because I'm guaranteed to understand nothing. The other day a driver had been going on unintelligibly on the phone so I thought I might at least try to get the colour of the car right. I had him repeat 3 times the colour and still could not relate his vocalisation to any colour known to man.

The last straw was yesterday when the app failed to translate the written messages.

I have used Grab successfully in Pattaya 3 for 3. The last time the driver texted me requesting that I move 50 meters up a side soi so he would not be spotted. He claims the mafia actually reports him to police and then he has to appear and prove that all is in order. But good for me as the fare is always just 120 or so baht instead of 200.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2158944]I have used Grab successfully in Pattaya 3 for 3. The last time the driver texted me requesting that I move 50 meters up a side soi so he would not be spotted. He claims the mafia actually reports him to police and then he has to appear and prove that all is in order. But good for me as the fare is always just 120 or so baht instead of 200.[/QUOTE]I've never had problems using Grab in Pattaya or BKK. IMO, Grab is better in Pattaya than BKK where just using a regular taxi is easy to find and just as cheap. And I always take advantage of the promo codes that come more often than not.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2158760]How about the one where the taxi driver killed an American with a machete?[/QUOTE]I googled that. Report showed a pink Taxi. I should have put "All Thai" in quotes. That is not the "All Thai" company which uses dark yellow Toyota Prius and sports a map of Thailand on the front doors. Taxi Drivers are under constant video surveillance. They are employees. If behave badly can get sacked.

I have not used Grab enough to comment on them.

Just today, I had a problem with a taxi driver (hailed the taxi), so I cancelled, got out and continued on BTS. He had taken me the complete wrong way, where I had asked him to go on the expressway at Sathorn and specified where to exit it. He did not do that. Claimed to have a better way. He wanted to take me to Sukhumvit Asoke intersection (which I discovered slightly too late) which was no where near a direct route for my destination, and heading into sukumvit traffic jams. I learn my lesson. In future I will always ask the route the driver intends to make sure he knows how to get there. If not, I can use Google Maps to give him precise directions. I guess these problems would not occur with Grab, most likely. Was just a dumb driver who claimed to lack knowledge (which could have been total bullshit). To make matters worse his Thai diction was bad.

Can anyone confirm that Grab drivers always use sensible routes, or requested routes? Do they use computer/smart phone to determine the best route? My question does not relate to Pattaya. More so to Grab in Thailand in general.

I need new Specs. Small shops not part of the Top Charoen chain, seem to be a lot cheaper. Last time I used one of these family run shops I was satisfied with the result, so will be interesting to see this time. I am getting one pair from independent cheap shop and another for just over twice the price, at a Top Charoen shop (not in touristy area) offering "50% discount" (the shop only opened a very short time in new shopping complex) on everything. LOL Ha ha, only the final price matters. The frame at Top Charoen maybe slightly higher quality. Will be interesting to see if there any significant difference, and is it really worth paying more, other than having a bigger range of frames to choose from. I have ordered bi-focals with auto darkening adjustment for outside bright conditions.

Top Charoen in Sukhumvit Soi 23 seemed to be extra very expensive so did not use it. Prices in non-tourist areas seemed a lot better.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2158990]I need new Specs. Small shops not part of the Top Charoen chain, seem to be a lot cheaper. Last time I used one of these family run shops I was satisfied with the result, so will be interesting to see this time. I am getting one pair from independent cheap shop and another for just over twice the price, at a Top Charoen shop (not in touristy area) offering "50% discount" (the shop only opened a very short time in new shopping complex) on everything. LOL Ha ha, only the final price matters. The frame at Top Charoen maybe slightly higher quality. Will be interesting to see if there any significant difference, and is it really worth paying more, other than having a bigger range of frames to choose from. I have ordered bi-focals with auto darkening adjustment for outside bright conditions.

Top Charoen in Sukhumvit Soi 23 seemed to be extra very expensive so did not use it. Prices in non-tourist areas seemed a lot better.[/QUOTE]Top Charoen, as you know is a chain, also Beautiful Optic belongs to them. I haven't use them for years and the reason they are a rip off. I did before I knew better when I did I use to go in their stores and look at frames since my son when small end up breaking them. I'm one of those guys that when free time exist I go to shops to look and check out prices and majority of the time when they have a offer they raise their prices and them make it look like a discount. I noticed their sunglasses Ray-ban etc in particular 2-1 sale they raise the prices to near double and if you know the prices will know even 2-1 you aren't getting much.

As for regular glasses, this is what I've found in their frames and their so call guarantee like pulling teeth to get them to honor it. Once the small screw came loose to hold the lense took it back said I had to get a new frame etc etc. Then the workmanship depending on your location I noticed was poor, my son transition lense are of poor quality and after a year they seem to break apart.

Their promotions are as bad as the G-Shock watches places. I say avoid if possible.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2159076]Their promotions are as bad as the G-Shock watches places. I say avoid if possible.[/QUOTE]Just to be clear, you are saying avoid Top Charoen, right? I agree their prices are too high. Can get cheaper in home country.

Are there any specs shops you recommend, or are you saying just don't get them in Thailand at all?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2158679]Breaking News is that Uber in Thailand has been taken over by Taxi Grab. Just a rumour I heard without looking in to it. I never used Uber so no effect on me. I like All Thai taxis.[/QUOTE]Uber has been taken over by Grab in 8 countries in SE Asia.

[URL]http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/25/technology/uber-grab-deal-southeast-asia/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2159079]Just to be clear, you are saying avoid Top Charoen, right? I agree their prices are too high. Can get cheaper in home country.

Are there any specs shops you recommend, or are you saying just don't get them in Thailand at all?[/QUOTE]I think you are right to be looking for a smaller shop than a chain. But when it comes to eyes I find small or large tough to find a real good Doctor or technician? You can usually see when they do the eye examine and ask them question as to where the lens are made etc etc. If you notice the more question you ask the more silent they get I run!

Sorry I live in Pattaya and I've been using a small shop for my son for the last ten years called EuroOptics, The eye examined is very good and they back up their work they are located on 2nd Road, opposite the Royal Garden.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2159634]I think you are right to be looking for a smaller shop than a chain. But when it comes to eyes I find small or large tough to find a real good Doctor or technician? You can usually see when they do the eye examine and ask them question as to where the lens are made etc etc. If you notice the more question you ask the more silent they get I run!

Sorry I live in Pattaya and I've been using a small shop for my son for the last ten years called EuroOptics, The eye examined is very good and they back up their work they are located on 2nd Road, opposite the Royal Garden.[/QUOTE]I got first pair of metal rim bifocal auto darkening lenses for 2500 Baht from a very small shop with perhaps overly limited imaginary discounts, and potentially vastly higher. They seem to be fine to suit my needs. Around the price of an Oily visit.

I don't want to pay too much since I could drop and smash them or sit on them accidentally etc.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2159634]I think you are right to be looking for a smaller shop than a chain. But when it comes to eyes I find small or large tough to find a real good Doctor or technician? You can usually see when they do the eye examine and ask them question as to where the lens are made etc etc. If you notice the more question you ask the more silent they get I run!

Sorry I live in Pattaya and I've been using a small shop for my son for the last ten years called EuroOptics, The eye examined is very good and they back up their work they are located on 2nd Road, opposite the Royal Garden.[/QUOTE]I got first pair of metal rim bifocal auto darkening lenses for 2500 Baht from a very small shop with limited range of rims. They seem to be fine to suit my needs. Around the price of an Oily visit. The price for similar at Top Charoen, with imaginary discounts of 50%, was still close to 5000 Baht, and the wait time is longer (done in the factory). Vastly more expensive stuff is also available in Top Charoen and I expect prices are high in the touristy areas. I heard that Top Charoen also owns another chain, so most specs shops are going to be of that chain.

I don't want to pay too much since I could drop and smash them or sit on them accidentally etc.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2159866]I got first pair of metal rim bifocal auto darkening lenses for 2500 Baht from a very small shop with limited range of rims. They seem to be fine to suit my needs. Around the price of an Oily visit. The price for similar at Top Charoen, with imaginary discounts of 50%, was still close to 5000 Baht, and the wait time is longer (done in the factory). Vastly more expensive stuff is also available in Top Charoen and I expect prices are high in the touristy areas. I heard that Top Charoen also owns another chain, so most specs shops are going to be of that chain.

I don't want to pay too much since I could drop and smash them or sit on them accidentally etc.[/QUOTE]Your doing the right thing and that is being a good consumer that is pretty much all you can do if you have the time to check. You brought me bad luck, son sends me a Line when I was in Bangkok his glasses frame broke. Took him to Euro Optics a independent place in Pattaya, got good examine, double check his eyes. Got a nice frame, transition lenses same as you 2500 baht will pick up Saturday.

Why I like my little Shithole Pattaya?

I headed into Bangkok yesterday for the day and maybe overnight? My experience reminded me why I live in Pattaya and not Bangkok but I do enjoy myself from time to time as long as I don't leave the Sukhumvit area.

Wanted to check out the Auto show at the Impact Arena, last time I was there had a driver take us and wait to take us back when we were done. This time I was on my own so decided to take the bus, connected to the BTS to the Mo Chit station. Once I got there went down the stairs looked around and ask the motorbike Taxi how much he said 300 baht, told him too much, basically I had no idea what the price was but out of habit I always say too much. All of them look at each other gave me the head to toe how much you want to pay he snaps back. I tell him 150 is good he counters 200 off we go. As he was leaving the area I noticed a number of van on the other side of the road took note of their color and stripping. The guy is now flying 70-80 I had no idea it was this far from Mo Chit, from time to time I see his mirror to check the speed a number of times I notice in the mirror cars behind us I swear I could reach back and touch their hood. He goes between around cars heading towards the old airport I noticed as if I wasn't even on the back. While he was waiting at one light he got impatient so through the intersection when clear I wasn't prepared for it so my neck snapped back whiplash? He must have known something all of a sudden it started to rain this time of the year it seems in Thailand you can be standing on one side of the street no rain and the other side it is raining? I was getting a bit soaked but then we arrived. I got off handed him the helmet told him in Thai " I know I said 200 baht, I should give you nothing for snapping my neck back but I'm going to give you 300 baht to wish you good luck because the way you drive you will need it soon. He just looked at me and then busted out laughing and drove away.

I know I'm behind times with my smartphone as long as it rings I just can't shell out money for the new stuff. The kid and wife can knock themselves out I know I'm falling behind the technology Thai laugh because I have a Nokia, which is suppose to be out of the phone business now? To get in 100 baht but they want you to go to a Kiosk to check in they ask me to pull out my phone then I hear the giggle but the cute girls are polite and help me do the check in. Once inside lots of good stuff, they call it a Auto show but more motorbikes it seems than cars. My main reason was to check out all the trucks prices and models at the same time although I know I'm going to get the Rocco Toyota 4 x4 truck. I ask to speak to a sales agent who can speak English everyone looking What? But after 30 minutes they were able to find one who could help. Meantime the girls they used to show off the vehicles called them Agency girls, models?? But man if only I could see that type in any GoGo with their tops off?

In the end, got what I needed so out I went walked out look around saw a bunch of motorbike taxi but notice those vans early sitting at one section. I walk up and a lady ask me where I'm going, said Mo Chit BTS, she says get in 35 baht, I said what say again 35 baht. It took a bit longer but 35 baht, the bus carries 14 passenger and it was full. By now I noticed my neck was getting a bit stiff from Mo Chit the plan was to head to Soi 22-24 to take a look maybe even Tulip, then head over to Crazy House and back to Nana Spanky's but now my neck was getting really stiff I barely could turn my neck. Now I'm thinking better not stay overnight and get a early bus back moments later my son Lines me and say his eye glasses are broken so decision was made I would catch the late bus back to Pattaya. So I thought walk back to Asoke to check out Crazy house as I walking to Asoke traffic was stop and go on Sukhumvit next thing I know near Soi 18, motorbike guys comes flying out and his mirror clips me on my elbow it goes numb he jumps off and runs at me first I thought what the fuck I'm about to cold cock this guy but he starts to apologize etc etc. You alright I said you can make it up to pops by giving me a ride to Soi Cowboy. I jump on he dodges to the corner opposite way and drops me off right in front of CH, problem too damn early 4-5 girls on stage few customer I get a coke to cool off 170,30 minutes later head out now neck is stiff so is my elbow. By now frustrated hot and humid and getting tired started to walk to BTS to go back to bus station. When I get there I just missed the bus leaving and had to wait for next 9 pm. Once on the bus I look at the driver and his eyes are watering he is either sick or high. It ended up him sick coughing and spitting all the way back to Pattaya. The bus wasn't full but there were a half dozen young Indian making a ton of noise that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] the driver off but at least it kept him up. To top the day off, the trip took 3 hours traffic even at 9 pm was bumper to bumper traffic to the Hwy although not full we had to make stops to drop off Thai passenger in Chon Buri all the way LamChanbang, Naklua. It took forever felt longer than a 13 hour ride home to the States didn't help need was throbbing and stiff. So by midnight we came rolling in got on my bike dawn on me I haven't eaten since the night before went down to Soi Baukhao got three bowls of won ton noodles and jack myself up walk over to Soi Honey and got myself some honey for little money. By the time it was over near 3 am. But I'm back in my little shit hole.

This article does not say where this chap contracted his bug but Thailand certainly could be likely. Be careful out there guys.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/super-gonorrhea-man-first-ever-201826422.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Eaglestar;2159973]This article does not say where this chap contracted his bug but Thailand certainly could be likely. Be careful out there guys.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/super-gonorrhea-man-first-ever-201826422.html[/URL][/QUOTE]And by oral sex with no usual symptoms. Many more are out there unaware they have it in the throat.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2018/03/28/how-a-man-caught-the-worlds-strongest-super-gonorrhea-to-date/[/URL]#7 dfa1 b8719 c5.

[QUOTE=Berrys66;2159977]And by oral sex with no usual symptoms. Many more are out there unaware they have it in the throat.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2018/03/28/how-a-man-caught-the-worlds-strongest-super-gonorrhea-to-date/[/URL]#7 dfa1 b8719 c5.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]The bacteria turned out to be resistant to the standard antibiotics for gonorrhea, azithromycin and ceftriaxone, and was susceptible only to spectinomycin.[/QUOTE]How many punters are going to forego even BBBJ and DATY and opt to be covered for everything from now on rather than go for treatment with a third form of antibiotic already on the market to cure that bug should it strike?

Ok, I'll go first; I am pretty sure I won't be doing that. Apparently, it's going to take something scarier than that to essentially put an end to my sex life outside of an exclusive relationship with only one woman I am supposed to believe is also not screwing around on the side, even if they rename it Super Colossal Gonorrhea.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2159955]Why I like my little Shithole Pattaya?

I headed into Bangkok yesterday for the day and maybe overnight? My experience reminded me why I live in Pattaya and not Bangkok but I do enjoy myself from time to time as long as I don't leave the Sukhumvit area.
[/QUOTE]A crap day and shit happens, but dare I say, a lot of the shit happens by not being prepared. I can see where Impact is on Google Maps past Bang Kret. That is past where I had to go for Immigration stamp. Motorcycle for that, is unwise choice. Take BTS to Mo Chit or similar then taxi, or just taxi the whole way and be able to direct taxi with Google Maps and GPS. Taxis can go the wrong way.

If you are looking at vehicles you can afford a smart phone. They are not that expensive for basic models. My step daughter has an inexpensive one because she is likely to smash it from time to time. Mine is a few years out of date but still working fine (and takes 2 SIMs). I guess you have ulterior motive so you cannot be contacted on Video. LOL.

You could know by reading my posts (LOL) that while Crazy House opens at 7. 30, the best time to arrive is 9 PM if you want to see the better girls. Also the line up has declined a lot. Don't expect absolute beauties. Some girls with good bodies. Really pretty, not many, while I am very fussy. Some doable.

Traffic in Bangkok is a problem, that is best covered by knowing the time of day and time of month, day of week, and how that affects traffic. Outsiders won't know it well. I do use motorcycles at times for short trips due to heavy traffic. Some how I have avoided the incidents you report.

Lastly, you have been in Thailand such a long time, perhaps learning Thai could be worthwhile to you, even though takes years to get good at it. Find a good class to start with. It is hard when get older to take on vocab fast, I know. I did much better when I was 35 (long ago). Now I am getting a lot more exposed to Issan, I have new basic Issan vocab to learn gradually. I don't particularly like the sound of Issan language (it's like ugly Thai), but same applies to German, Chinese, Vietnamese etc. It is said that with just 200 words or so, you can start communicating very simple expressions in Thai with Thais. Maybe that is exaggeration, I don't know. I believe I am fluent to speak 4000 words now and understand maybe 8000 in context, but that is much more than necessary, although I can't follow TV News in Thai better than about 70% understanding. I can learn more by myself now. Street conversation uses much more limited vocab. I could order my specs in detail the other day in Thai language. When they used any English words with me, usually the pronunciation is so far off, that I don't understand them, and have to ask them to spell the English words. LOL Guys that live here full time (I am not), should be able to get pretty good at Thai within 3 years I reckon, if diligent for study repetition. Its even easier for guys who have an Asian type language already, to understand pronunciation issues.

So obviously you feel much more at home in Pattaya because used to it. I am the opposite. It is hard to work out why family guys would be in Pattaya other than to monger. LOL.

When I am up country with family (not Pattaya), mongering is out of the question.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2160259]I don't particularly like the sound of Issan language (it's like ugly Thai).[/QUOTE]Isaan sure as hell has the best Thai music. That stuff is fun. I love it when they crank up the Isaan music at the gogos and the girls go nuts for it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2160259]A crap day and shit happens, but dare I say, a lot of the shit happens by not being prepared. I can see where Impact is on Google Maps past Bang Kret. That is past where I had to go for Immigration stamp. Motorcycle for that, is unwise choice. Take BTS to Mo Chit or similar then taxi, or just taxi the whole way and be able to direct taxi with Google Maps and GPS. Taxis can go the wrong way.

If you are looking at vehicles you can afford a smart phone. They are not that expensive for basic models. My step daughter has an inexpensive one because she is likely to smash it from time to time. Mine is a few years out of date but still working fine (and takes 2 SIMs). I guess you have ulterior motive so you cannot be contacted on Video. LOL.

You could know by reading my posts (LOL) that while Crazy House opens at 7. 30, the best time to arrive is 9 PM if you want to see the better girls. Also the line up has declined a lot. Don't expect absolute beauties. Some girls with good bodies. Really pretty, not many, while I am very fussy. Some doable.

Traffic in Bangkok is a problem, that is best covered by knowing the time of day and time of month, day of week, and how that affects traffic. Outsiders won't know it well. I do use motorcycles at times for short trips due to heavy traffic. Some how I have avoided the incidents you report.

Lastly, you have been in Thailand such a long time, perhaps learning Thai could be worthwhile to you, even though takes years to get good at it. Find a good class to start with. It is hard when get older to take on vocab fast, I know. I did much better when I was 35 (long ago). Now I am getting a lot more exposed to Issan, I have new basic Issan vocab to learn gradually. I don't particularly like the sound of Issan language (it's like ugly Thai), but same applies to German, Chinese, Vietnamese etc. It is said that with just 200 words or so, you can start communicating very simple expressions in Thai with Thais. Maybe that is exaggeration, I don't know. I believe I am fluent to speak 4000 words now and understand maybe 8000 in context, but that is much more than necessary, although I can't follow TV News in Thai better than about 70% understanding. I can learn more by myself now. Street conversation uses much more limited vocab. I could order my specs in detail the other day in Thai language. When they used any English words with me, usually the pronunciation is so far off, that I don't understand them, and have to ask them to spell the English words. LOL Guys that live here full time (I am not), should be able to get pretty good at Thai within 3 years I reckon, if diligent for study repetition. Its even easier for guys who have an Asian type language already, to understand pronunciation issues.

So obviously you feel much more at home in Pattaya because used to it. I am the opposite. It is hard to work out why family guys would be in Pattaya other than to monger. LOL.

When I am up country with family (not Pattaya), mongering is out of the question.[/QUOTE]Don't get my report wrong! What happen on my this visit didn't start my impression that Bangkok is a shit hole it always has been my view since I first visited in the late 70's. Even in the early 90's after a long period of not visiting before the BTS was build it was still a shithole it just got larger and the traffic was bad then and still bad now with or without the BTS. In spite of everything I wouldn't live in Bangkok but do enjoy visiting from time to time to change the boring tempo here in Pattaya but rare if ever leave the Nana Area or ride the motorbike taxi only to and from the USA Embassy.

When it comes to Impact, I did do a short research look and everything lead me to go to MoChit and connect to the Impact. I expected traffic therefore never having a problem catching a motorbike taxi here in Pattaya or even short rides in Bangkok Nana area. So to make sure I didn't sit in traffic just opt for the motorbike but maybe bad selection never had a wild ride ever in Pattaya or Bangkok Nana area .

As for speaking Thai yes I've been here a long time too long? I've taken a few years here in Pattaya through Father Rays Northstar library and a number of years I stopped. I realized with my Type A personality the more I learn the more I heard what I didn't like and would give Thai a piece of my mind. Doing so gets you in a lot of bad situation especially it doesn't take much to get a Thai man to snap especially when they realized you aren't Thai. So I stopped, reinvented myself a bit and now use my learning of Thai throw it in with a bit of humor which is what I did with the Thai motorbike driver. This was a major change for me because Thailand was becoming a nightmare with my personality and my background it was turning me back to how I grew up and there was just too much responsibility here for me to get in trouble because I was needed. My brother sat me down one day and told me we got so many things to focus people we need to track down we can't afford to use those resources to track down Farangs or Thai trailer trash. I know enough Thai to more than get by but my past experiences the last thing I want today is to be Thai or learn anymore Thai. I've been ask to be 100% Thai, which would never be ask of a white man but because I'm Asian I'm halfway there but reality that is the last thing I will ever want. It is tough enough making sure my son and wife don't think I have such contempt in general for Thais and their culture. But I'm doing fine these days smiling so although I had a bad trip I know shit happens that is life I'm learning to go with the flow.

As for Crazy house, I in fact have read your reports and in my visits last August and December made it a point to visit CH, and both times were around 8 pm, and the stage was full this time a bit earlier as noted 4 girls on stage no nudity bunch of naked girls upstairs standing around and blowing up balloons I waited but my neck and shoulder was stiffing up which made it uncomfortable so after a half hour of waiting I decided to bolt and again check out Soi 24-22 but again nothing. I even checked out the old Hana Massage to see if old Rin was there sure she could have taken care of the neck and LBM but nope she was gone or busy.

So don't get me wrong I would never live there yes Pattaya is my shithole the main reason it is easy to get around like my hometown San Francisco. But I've never seen a Motorbike Taxi or taken me in Pattaya in the manner I got taken in Bangkok, the place is too big and hard to get around. I travel on my motorbike each day usually average 50 KM a day and it is easy plus if I can't see the ocean I will past on all the highrises.

Working out is easy here in Pattaya especially if you don't care to use a gym. I'm old school I never go to a gym. I live on the darkside, I go out to the reservoir lake run up and down the stairs. I'm no Rocky but lift the small boulders and ride my bike 35-40 every two days.

As for Phones, I know I'm falling behind but as long as the phone rings and not often I feel I'm doing just fine. Not cheap it is a matter of priority to me. It has taken me two years to get off girls from Line, WeChat, etc. Just got tired of the calling at all hours today I'm much happier and for sure sleep better and this is really the way to live here. When I read the reports here about TF it makes me shake. I get it when I want I decide and not the little brain any longer you guys knock yourself out living here or visiting with all the dating sites.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2160331]Don't get my report wrong! What happen on my this visit didn't start my impression that Bangkok is a shit hole it always has been my view since I first visited in the late 70's. Even in the early 90's after a long period of not visiting before the BTS was build it was still a shithole it just got larger and the traffic was bad then and still bad now with or without the BTS. In spite of everything I wouldn't live in Bangkok but do enjoy visiting from time to time to change the boring tempo here in Pattaya but rare if ever leave the Nana Area or ride the motorbike taxi only to and from the USA Embassy.

When it comes to Impact, I did do a short research look and everything lead me to go to MoChit and connect to the Impact. I expected traffic therefore never having a problem catching a motorbike taxi here in Pattaya or even short rides in Bangkok Nana area. So to make sure I didn't sit in traffic just opt for the motorbike but maybe bad selection never had a wild ride ever in Pattaya or Bangkok Nana area .

As for speaking Thai yes I've been here a long time too long? I've taken a few years here in Pattaya through Father Rays Northstar library and a number of years I stopped. I realized with my Type A personality the more I learn the more I heard what I didn't like and would give Thai a piece of my mind. Doing so gets you in a lot of bad situation especially it doesn't take much to get a Thai man to snap especially when they realized you aren't Thai. So I stopped, reinvented myself a bit and now use my learning of Thai throw it in with a bit of humor which is what I did with the Thai motorbike driver. This was a major change for me because Thailand was becoming a nightmare with my personality and my background it was turning me back to how I grew up and there was just too much responsibility here for me to get in trouble because I was needed. My brother sat me down one day and told me we got so many things to focus people we need to track down we can't afford to use those resources to track down Farangs or Thai trailer trash. I know enough Thai to more than get by but my past experiences the last thing I want today is to be Thai or learn anymore Thai. I've been ask to be 100% Thai, which would never be ask of a white man but because I'm Asian I'm halfway there but reality that is the last thing I will ever want. It is tough enough making sure my son and wife don't think I have such contempt in general for Thais and their culture. But I'm doing fine these days smiling so although I had a bad trip I know shit happens that is life I'm learning to go with the flow.

As for Crazy house, I in fact have read your reports and in my visits last August and December made it a point to visit CH, and both times were around 8 pm, and the stage was full this time a bit earlier as noted 4 girls on stage no nudity bunch of naked girls upstairs standing around and blowing up balloons I waited but my neck and shoulder was stiffing up which made it uncomfortable so after a half hour of waiting I decided to bolt and again check out Soi 24-22 but again nothing. I even checked out the old Hana Massage to see if old Rin was there sure she could have taken care of the neck and LBM but nope she was gone or busy.

So don't get me wrong I would never live there yes Pattaya is my shithole the main reason it is easy to get around like my hometown San Francisco. But I've never seen a Motorbike Taxi or taken me in Pattaya in the manner I got taken in Bangkok, the place is too big and hard to get around. I travel on my motorbike each day usually average 50 KM a day and it is easy plus if I can't see the ocean I will past on all the highrises.

Working out is easy here in Pattaya especially if you don't care to use a gym. I'm old school I never go to a gym. I live on the darkside, I go out to the reservoir lake run up and down the stairs. I'm no Rocky but lift the small boulders and ride my bike 35-40 every two days.

As for Phones, I know I'm falling behind but as long as the phone rings and not often I feel I'm doing just fine. Not cheap it is a matter of priority to me. It has taken me two years to get off girls from Line, WeChat, etc. Just got tired of the calling at all hours today I'm much happier and for sure sleep better and this is really the way to live here. When I read the reports here about TF it makes me shake. I get it when I want I decide and not the little brain any longer you guys knock yourself out living here or visiting with all the dating sites.[/QUOTE]Regardless of traffic, motorcycle is not great idea except for short distances and especially through back Sois. There is a danger element that cannot be totally ignored. I would not want to travel a lot on motorcycles, certainly not 50 km per day, and definitely not at any speed. Slow through traffic jams is better. Traffic danger is high and also bad country roads with potholes. You have to realise that Thais can buy their driver's license. They don't have to pass a test. Many tell me to read up and study the rules and pass a test is too hard.

I am not sure what a Type A personality is, Asshole, Angry, or what? LOL I am an Argumentative type I guess, when something makes so little sense, mostly the Mrs is the one who always has to win an argument though. I prefer to joke around when speaking with Thais. If angry, it is better not to speak to them at all, but I admit have done so sometimes. However I do lose my temper fairly rarely. I don't find Thais are making a lot of really rude comments about Farangs (at least in Bangkok) and up country. Most Thais that I deal with are fairly polite.

Most of have to be tolerant to handle the shitty aspects of Bangkok. Traffic is probably the worst. Many other aspects are easy. You don't like an establishment, you just move on. First hairdresser I went to today said 500 Baht. LOL I just left in a hurry to a barber nearby and paid 100 Baht. I don't need Hiso haircut joint. LOL.

Any time Crazy H does not have any girls completely nude means that there is a police / army presence and they are expecting something untoward. However that normally only lasts a short time. Too early, and it is possible to have no nude girls and only dressed ones, the rest yet to arrive. 8 PM is a bit too early (hence low girl numbers) even though they start dancing at 7. 30 PM. The good girls would rarely arrive before 9 PM. I checked out CH on Sat night briefly after midnight. Line up was not totally hopeless, but also nothing worth staying for. Most girls with a good reputation or popular would be taken long ago. Was still very busy for customers, despite the weak line up. Probably habitual customers. I have not checked out upstairs recently so don't know if that is still the ugly girls or may have improved. I am totally bored with CH, it has declined badly. It was a pretty good bar for me 3 to 4 years ago. At one time they only accepted good looking girls. That was long ago. Now it is Billboard that does not take on any fat or ugly girls. It would spoil their reputation. Still some girls with legs too thick for my taste. Most other bars do take ugly girls. CH has had some shockers (extremely ugly to my taste) also some extremely ugly surgeries (gone wrong?

5 Star and Long Gun also have naked girls and DollHouse may have, but I don't think the quality will be any better. Things have declined in my view, with new government, and the growing set of fake "Coyote" girls and Ladyboys. It is depressing. Can find beautiful girls, e. G. Billboard, and can find skilled girls very easy to fuck and have fun with, but getting everything together is still so hard.

There are parks in Bangkok for those that like running. E. g. Laps of Lumphini park early in the morning before gets too hot, and other parks attract quite a few runners, maybe too many? LOL Obviously can't just run anywhere. Need consistent level footing and no traffic hazards.

I am not trying to sell Bangkok at all. I have tolerated for a long time, but will be in the big city far less in the future. Moving out. As my Mongering levels decline, I don't think Pattaya has any attractions for me. I would only go there to see if they really have a lot of girl talent or not. Being very fussy, I would not expect too much.

Maybe the Pattaya monger scene has not declined as badly as what we have here? I do hear that the prices for girls is not a far different from Bangkok as what it used to be.

Here's a reminder when leaving Thailand to budget sufficient time to go through all the steps of exiting the country. It took me well over 90 minutes from the time I was dropped off at the terminal until I got to the gate. It was a very slow process to drop off my suitcase, go through checkpoints, get to security and finally exit passport control. There were long lines everywhere. I saw quite a number of fools trying to jump the queues because they had left it too late. The worst case was the couple who had dropped off their suitcase and had only 10 minutes before their plane took off.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2161179]Regardless of traffic, motorcycle is not great idea except for short distances and especially through back Sois. There is a danger element that cannot be totally ignored. I would not want to travel a lot on motorcycles, certainly not 50 km per day, and definitely not at any speed. Slow through traffic jams is better. Traffic danger is high and also bad country roads with potholes. You have to realise that Thais can buy their driver's license. They don't have to pass a test. Many tell me to read up and study the rules and pass a test is too hard.

I am not sure what a Type A personality is, Asshole, Angry, or what? LOL I am an Argumentative type I guess, when something makes so little sense, mostly the Mrs is the one who always has to win an argument though. I prefer to joke around when speaking with Thais. If angry, it is better not to speak to them at all, but I admit have done so sometimes. However I do lose my temper fairly rarely. I don't find Thais are making a lot of really rude comments about Farangs (at least in Bangkok) and up country. Most Thais that I deal with are fairly polite.

Most of have to be tolerant to handle the shitty aspects of Bangkok. Traffic is probably the worst. Many other aspects are easy. You don't like an establishment, you just move on. First hairdresser I went to today said 500 Baht. LOL I just left in a hurry to a barber nearby and paid 100 Baht. I don't need Hiso haircut joint. LOL.

Any time Crazy H does not have any girls completely nude means that there is a police / army presence and they are expecting something untoward. However that normally only lasts a short time. Too early, and it is possible to have no nude girls and only dressed ones, the rest yet to arrive. 8 PM is a bit too early (hence low girl numbers) even though they start dancing at 7. 30 PM. The good girls would rarely arrive before 9 PM. I checked out CH on Sat night briefly after midnight. Line up was not totally hopeless, but also nothing worth staying for. Most girls with a good reputation or popular would be taken long ago. Was still very busy for customers, despite the weak line up. Probably habitual customers. I have not checked out upstairs recently so don't know if that is still the ugly girls or may have improved. I am totally bored with CH, it has declined badly. It was a pretty good bar for me 3 to 4 years ago. At one time they only accepted good looking girls. That was long ago. Now it is Billboard that does not take on any fat or ugly girls. It would spoil their reputation. Still some girls with legs too thick for my taste. Most other bars do take ugly girls. CH has had some shockers (extremely ugly to my taste) also some extremely ugly surgeries (gone wrong?

5 Star and Long Gun also have naked girls and DollHouse may have, but I don't think the quality will be any better. Things have declined in my view, with new government, and the growing set of fake "Coyote" girls and Ladyboys. It is depressing. Can find beautiful girls, e. G. Billboard, and can find skilled girls very easy to fuck and have fun with, but getting everything together is still so hard.

There are parks in Bangkok for those that like running. E. g. Laps of Lumphini park early in the morning before gets too hot, and other parks attract quite a few runners, maybe too many? LOL Obviously can't just run anywhere. Need consistent level footing and no traffic hazards.

I am not trying to sell Bangkok at all. I have tolerated for a long time, but will be in the big city far less in the future. Moving out. As my Mongering levels decline, I don't think Pattaya has any attractions for me. I would only go there to see if they really have a lot of girl talent or not. Being very fussy, I would not expect too much.

Maybe the Pattaya monger scene has not declined as badly as what we have here? I do hear that the prices for girls is not a far different from Bangkok as what it used to be.[/QUOTE]We are more alike than we think? I would say you are type A, I just consider it first that you speak out, have a opinion not afraid speak your mind not a introvert? I came here like everyone not looking for trouble but it is so much I'm willing to tolerate. Living here has really humble me but I had to change not letting the little things prevent me from my objective here. But I'm not going to let anyone walk over or threaten me or my family in any manner and I don't care who they are?

You are correct motorbike in Bangkok short distant only the drivers are nothing like Pattaya, pretty tame in my book. I love riding a motorbike really the only way to get around here in Pattaya once you learn the ropes and habits of Thai's be defensive and that is the best offensive. Being commercially trained and license in teaching in the States has help me stay alive along with obtaining my motorbike training from the California Hwy patrol also helps. Staying alert is the key here so far so good knock on wood?

I come to Bangkok like a field trip the same you might think of Pattaya, if there is something worth coming back I will make a excuse to get away so far everything I need and get Pattaya has provided. Bangkok is just so big like New York but I can easily live in Hong Kong. Pattaya is just more open it has the best of both world like Bangkok plus more access to the beaches minus the traffic and skylights.

Last August, my first visit to CH, I felt I saw two of the best looking GoGo girls ever, both full naked. I love a great pair of legs and that is where I started and up. First choice are natural breast but if something catches my eyes with big tits I don't really discriminate. I even saw a average one a bit short but had a homely look which got me thinking she doesn't get BF much and might be a tiger in bed? I also made a number of visit to places like eight on Soi Cowboy all a disappointment since if there isn't some type of nudity I pass and that includes Bacarra. I ended up at Spanky's in August and found that was my second choice best of all the places in Nana. This time due to my neck I said not going to backtrack and just headed to Soi 22-24 and then to the bus station. Today, the urge just isn't there maybe because of all the work you got to do to get it? My theory in Pattaya these days and in Bangkok is I go look at steak and then get a hamburger I've found I have more fun at the massage places especially when it comes to service.

Being Asian the assumption the prices is I'm willing to pay which isn't the case which they found out quickly at Thermae. That is the same in Pattaya?

The U.S Government shut down backpage last week and CL may be next.

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/amp.wsbtv.com/www.wsbtv.com/news/local/feds-shut-down-controversial-classified-ad-website-on-prostitution-and-sex-trafficking-charges/729419519[/URL]

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2161662]We are more alike than we think? I would say you are type A, I just consider it first that you speak out, have a opinion not afraid speak your mind not a introvert? I came here like everyone not looking for trouble but it is so much I'm willing to tolerate. Living here has really humble me but I had to change not letting the little things prevent me from my objective here. But I'm not going to let anyone walk over or threaten me or my family in any manner and I don't care who they are?

Last August, my first visit to CH, I felt I saw two of the best looking GoGo girls ever, both full naked. I love a great pair of legs and that is where I started and up. First choice are natural breast but if something catches my eyes with big tits I don't really discriminate. I even saw a average one a bit short but had a homely look which got me thinking she doesn't get BF much and might be a tiger in bed? I also made a number of visit to places like eight on Soi Cowboy all a disappointment since if there isn't some type of nudity I pass and that includes Bacarra. I ended up at Spanky's in August and found that was my second choice best of all the places in Nana. This time due to my neck I said not going to backtrack and just headed to Soi 22-24 and then to the bus station. Today, the urge just isn't there maybe because of all the work you got to do to get it? My theory in Pattaya these days and in Bangkok is I go look at steak and then get a hamburger I've found I have more fun at the massage places especially when it comes to service.
[/QUOTE]I consider myself to be mostly a Type B (now that I looked this up). Not highly competitive, nor aggressive. Not that well organised for time management. Rather naturally a bit lazy, relaxed, relatively stress free. Sure I am not afraid to have an opinion, especially if have relevant experience. Skeptical, argumentative and stubborn. Am willing to be convinced by logic though. Does not matter if my opinion is different to opinions of others. I can be very productive, especially in areas of my expertise and experience, and when it is more interesting and challenging work. I am not very social though, and work alone better than in groups, most likely. Some of us don't need any "wingmen". LOL I would prefer to have "wing-girls" LOL. I do have some degree of competitiveness in my area of expertise (for work).

I agree that MPs should have higher service levels, but it again depends on experience level of the girls. Very inexperienced MP girls are just as bad as inexperienced bargirls (assuming a non fun attitude), and in both areas, girls used to Asian customers, can act very unenthusiastically with Farangs. Once we get girls that like westernised guys, we do better, whether we are Farangs or Asians. Sounds like you are a very westernised Asian.

We all have to find the right balance between attitude, looks, and skills of the girl. Any one of these missing can spoil it for us. I have had girls with good attitude and skills, but just don't turn me on at all because looks and body is not up to standard. These could be highly recommended girls. I can sometimes forgive a girl with poor skills if she has looks and a great fun attitude and really seems to want to enjoy the fuck. I especially tolerate girls with very weak BJ skills including restricted by teeth braces. I can survive without BJ if girl is hot enough. One of my favourite girls from CH (gone now) was very pretty, and flawless body, but hardly ever gave me a BJ (had teeth braces). She did seem to enjoy herself, including liking the DATY, and was a bit of screamer. Lack of a good BJ did not matter, I was so hot for her. I know others would not tolerate this, and indeed for many guys, the BBBJ is more important than the fuck.

I think many Mongers are driven by a fear of missing out, causing them to need to try every realistic girl option and every shop. Often we read a guy decided to take a girl from a shop, even though the line up was poor. He just had to try the shop. Why?, I don't know. That is not me. I try less and less new girls and mainly stick to ones I have known for years. This is rather conservative actually. It is so much easier with known girls when you know reliably what you will get.

I am down to about 1 new girl tried per month. Less than 50% of them get repeated. In fact of new girls tried, this year, yet to repeat any. I intended to repeat Pin but she was gone. I still intend to repeat another one, if not too late.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2165048]The U.S Government shut down backpage last week and CL may be next.

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/amp.wsbtv.com/www.wsbtv.com/news/local/feds-shut-down-controversial-classified-ad-website-on-prostitution-and-sex-trafficking-charges/729419519[/URL][/QUOTE]That explains why my Tinder in the US is now flooded with hookers.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2161179]
5 Star and Long Gun also have naked girls and DollHouse may have, but I don't think the quality will be any better. Things have declined in my view, with new government, and the growing set of fake "Coyote" girls and Ladyboys. It is depressing. Can find beautiful girls, e. G. Billboard, and can find skilled girls very easy to fuck and have fun with, but getting everything together is still so hard.
[/QUOTE]Having recently checked out 5 Star, Long Gun, and Dollhouse, I can update. 5 Star is sister of CH. Crap bar for loud "disco stuff".

That I would not go so far as to call music. Almost no songs with singing. Awful (but some girls like this disco style crap). Looks for girls was crappy too with odd exception, and that is not the secret ladyboy, I am thinking of. LOL The LB is popular though. No clue why. The odd secret ladyboys creeping into a few bars these days, whether in Cowboy (e. G. Crazy Cats) or Nana (e. G. Diamonds). Great that NicF assures us that MPs would never do that.

Long Gun was extremely disappointing with mainly fattish girls, whether Coyote or go-go, excepting two or 3. No cute asses at all for my taste. May suit guys who hate slim girls. The one girl I knew from years ago, now had a horrible body.

Dollhouse was a pleasant surprise. Was vastly better than my previous visit. Seemed to have about 70% (a lot) slim good figure Coyotes (barring that tits are covered), some wearing G-strings instead of shorts. At BF of 1 K for Coyotes, I could easily try them once can ascertain if they kiss okay And that the tits are not a disaster (deflated sag bags). I am a regular a Shark, but the Coyotes there are too expensive for the BF. I would prefer to try pretty Coyotes at a better price in Billboard or Dollhouse.

So I can see myself going back to Shark, Billboard and Doll House, more so than others, currently. It's impossible to know all the bars well, especially since I have cut down on BFing bargirls somewhat. Have not BFed in CH this year. Had a great duo from Shark recently. Expensive but a good sex party. Have known the two girls probably for at least 4 years.

I believe the music for dancing was more suited to the customer base, in all bars mentioned except for 5 Star (the worst by a long margin). Maybe really young customers in 5 star like the disco stuff, but the bar is relatively empty. If was me, I would sack the DJ. Shark with lots of latin songs, was full of customers. Maybe the music matters somewhat. I can't stand a bar with overly loud disco stuff and no songs myself. Crazy House is borderline for this. Definitely too loud, and too much disco stuff. Cannot sit too close to speakers.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2165376]The LB is popular though. [/QUOTE]How was she in bed? Good service?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2165347]That explains why my Tinder in the US is now flooded with hookers.[/QUOTE]A dating site with hookers, thought that was Thai Cupid but those advertisers from BP and their ads will have to go somewhere.

Although many of them were already on multiple sites anyway. Unlike a lot of pure "dating" sites BP did offer a variety of other skilled services and other products and even some good massage sessions at reasonable rates.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2165429]How was she in bed? Good service?[/QUOTE]I have not heard any reports, and we are not permitted to discuss that sort of thing that might promote LBs on this forum, even if I had been told. By popular, I mean the LB seems to get a customer easily, to at least buy drinks, and maybe BF.

With reportedly post-op ladyboys (I never checked if dick was gone on one as yet), I have no clue if the modern constructed pussy is really useful or not. After all, a real pussy has to stretch to be able to take extra long dongs, and has to be able to squeeze to give feeling to pencil dicks (I exaggerate a little). Lack of a an expandable and contractable pussy could even make a real girl unpopular unless she offers the tighter a-hole, etc. When I had a threesome recently, One girl's pussy was a little too tight and small (no baby), and the other a little looser. Neither was the perfect fit pussy, but we have to compromise at times. My GF is almost the perfect fit or slightly tighter than ideal for me, despite a baby long ago, so have to take it gradually to allow stretch/expansion time.

I have no interest in trying LB pussy or ass for that matter, and definitely do not want to see a dick on a LB. I would like to see a LB pussy some day out of curiosity re whether the appearance is actually any good, or quite ugly. Internet pics were a bit ugly for me. I have seen western post-ops with bush working as strippers in my youth, and was amazed the audiences seemed to like them despite the ugly body shape for me. I already generally don't like 90% of fake noses and fake tits. 10% are probably acceptable.

I expect that generally, since the LBs in some bars are hush hush, I expect they might be post-op ones, and would probably try to keep the bedroom very dark, and try to get customer off with a BBBJ, or anal sex. I am always into doing DATY in reasonable lighting before other things, which is to me a double check I have a real girl, just in case I ever should make a mistake.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2165838]I am always into doing DATY in reasonable lighting before other things, which is to me a double check I have a real girl, just in case I ever should make a mistake.[/QUOTE]So you are saying you have done DATY then come to the realization that it was not a real girl on occasion? How did you handle that situation?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2165838]With reportedly post-op ladyboys (I never checked if dick was gone on one as yet), I have no clue if the modern constructed pussy is really useful or not. After all, a real pussy has to stretch to be able to take extra long dongs, and has to be able to squeeze to give feeling to pencil dicks (I exaggerate a little). Lack of a an expandable and contractable pussy could even make a real girl unpopular unless she offers the tighter a-hole, etc.[/QUOTE]Look is one thing; functionality is another. We have all seen a piece of fruit in a bowl on a table and picked it up thinking it was real only to find out it wasn't. The functionality of a pussy requires nerve endings which a fake pussy does not have. I almost lost my foot in Koh Tao. The doctors back in the States had to cut out a chunk at the bottom. They were able to regrow the tissue and finish it off with a skin graft and all that is left is a small scar. But they could not grow the nerve back, so that part of the bottom of my foot is just a dead space. You can poke and prod all you want in that space but there will be no reaction from me without there being a nerve there to give it life. Similar to my foot, I am sure they can not add nerves to a fake pussy, which means it is just a dead hole.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2165974]Look is one thing; functionality is another. We have all seen a piece of fruit in a bowl on a table and picked it up thinking it was real only to find out it wasn't. The functionality of a pussy requires nerve endings which a fake pussy does not have. I almost lost my foot in Koh Tao. The doctors back in the States had to cut out a chunk at the bottom. They were able to regrow the tissue and finish it off with a skin graft and all that is left is a small scar. But they could not grow the nerve back, so that part of the bottom of my foot is just a dead space. You can poke and prod all you want in that space but there will be no reaction from me without there being a nerve there to give it life. Similar to my foot, I am sure they can not add nerves to a fake pussy, which means it is just a dead hole.[/QUOTE]Fake pussy? That is why before I go really go down I use one of my senses I smell it first like I smell a fruit when I pick it up. Hom.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2165921]So you are saying you have done DATY then come to the realization that it was not a real girl on occasion? [/QUOTE]Nope! Just a hypothetical. You keep trying to make too much of hypotheticals.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2166205]Fake pussy? That is why before I go really go down I use one of my senses I smell it first like I smell a fruit when I pick it up. Hom.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. How do you smell a pussy without going down? LOL It has to be a bit whiffy or Time of Month to have odour detectable from a distance. Not many Thai girls are that whiffy. Okay Look first, then sniff, then lick. I probably omit the sniff test, odour can come of its own accord. I am more likely to pull out if pussy stinks than no odour at all. No overly dark situations for me. I certainly need to see the pussy from not too close clearly, without my glasses on. Big Bush adds its problems. Still need to see the pussy lips and bud.

As a good percentage of my girls have been seen clearly naked before BFing, I am yet to see any secret LBs dancing naked. They tend to avoid that. I have seen a post op LB naked, from the entrance of a Nana LB bar once (I think it was Voodoo or replacement bar in same location), and really did not look like a girl to me. Curves were all wrong and big Bush. I did not choose to go in (danger danger! So I am yet to see a Post-op completely naked, that convincingly looked like a woman in all respects. Big Bush would be an obvious warning sign.

Is it true 90 per cent of the hookers in Thailand are ladyboys and dickless transsexuals?

Some people told me I have to be careful of beautiful women and that most ladyboys work in the same area as real women so you can't distinguish them. Unlike in Brazil, women are separated from ladyboys and don't work in the same area in Brazil. The only women you can fuck are the women pimped by their lazy boyfriends. That's a question I ask.

I have been to Thailand but never mongered out there. Damn I will soon go to thailand with my partner I will be screwed.

1) my partner will be up my ass.

2) I don't want to run into a cock or scarred pussy.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2166302]I have seen a post op LB naked, from the entrance of a Nana LB bar once (I think it was Voodoo or replacement bar in same location), and really did not look like a girl to me. Curves were all wrong and big Bush. I did not choose to go in (danger danger! So I am yet to see a Post-op completely naked, that convincingly looked like a woman in all respects.[/QUOTE]To me they do not look like a woman with clothes on, so they definitely will not look like a woman with clothes off. I think a lot of dudes let the makeup and long hair throw them off. I have seen some obvious crossdressers walking around Pattaya in the daytime without the makeup. And without that there is no mistaking that they are guys.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2166312]Is it true 90 per cent of the hookers in Thailand are ladyboys and dickless transsexuals?

Some people told me I have to be careful of beautiful women and that most ladyboys work in the same area as real women so you can't distinguish them. Unlike in Brazil, women are separated from ladyboys and don't work in the same area in Brazil. The only women you can fuck are the women pimped by their lazy boyfriends. That's a question I ask.

I have been to Thailand but never mongered out there. Damn I will soon go to thailand with my partner I will be screwed.

1) my partner will be up my ass.

2) I don't want to run into a cock or scarred pussy.[/QUOTE]You have zero chance of getting a ladyboy or anyone because your girlfriend will be up your butt. Why even ask?

I have an idea. Why not bring a LB to your room? That would get your girlfriend to exit, fast!

[QUOTE=Komo753;2166312]Is it true 90 per cent of the hookers in Thailand are ladyboys and dickless transsexuals?

Some people told me I have to be careful of beautiful women and that most ladyboys work in the same area as real women so you can't distinguish them. Unlike in Brazil, women are separated from ladyboys and don't work in the same area in Brazil. The only women you can fuck are the women pimped by their lazy boyfriends. That's a question I ask.

I have been to Thailand but never mongered out there. Damn I will soon go to thailand with my partner I will be screwed.

1) my partner will be up my ass.

2) I don't want to run into a cock or scarred pussy.[/QUOTE]You sound like this woman is truly beating you down and is literally up your ass. Try this quiz and see how well you do in identifying the LBs although it may not make a difference in your case.

[URL]https://www.bangkokdiaries.com/can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-thai-lady-and-a-thai-ladyboy/[/URL]

[QUOTE=RunMann;2166478]You sound like this woman is truly beating you down and is literally up your ass. Try this quiz and see how well you do in identifying the LBs although it may not make a difference in your case.

[URL]https://www.bangkokdiaries.com/can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-thai-lady-and-a-thai-ladyboy/[/URL][/QUOTE]I got a good score 10 out of 11, I mistook a girl for a ladyboy. Damn I will reject many girls just because I think they are not ladies and also because I have to find a way to keep my girlfriend busy in order for her to pay attention to something other than me while I fuck some other girls. I am totally screwed. I really miss fucking other girls.

So there are no bars that only gather girls. That means all depends on your luck and vigilance.

Find below the picture I am mistaken about.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2166312]Is it true 90 per cent of the hookers in Thailand are ladyboys and dickless transsexuals?

Some people told me I have to be careful of beautiful women and that most ladyboys work in the same area as real women so you can't distinguish them. Unlike in Brazil, women are separated from ladyboys and don't work in the same area in Brazil. The only women you can fuck are the women pimped by their lazy boyfriends. That's a question I ask.

I have been to Thailand but never mongered out there. Damn I will soon go to thailand with my partner I will be screwed.

1) my partner will be up my ass.

2) I don't want to run into a cock or scarred pussy.[/QUOTE]I have come close to being fooled a couple of times but you need to listen to your instincts. If the person you are interested in is all dressed up super fancy and they are really showing their stuff, they are probably a LB. If they don't sound like a girl, or if they are reluctant to speak, they are probably a LB. If they are tall or have big boobs or have tiny waists with big hips, there is a good chance they are a LB. LB. S often have a strange smile, too. One time when I was nearly fooled, what when caused me to realize "she" was a "he" was her avoidance of speaking and that "she" had a weird smile. Another time I would have been fooled had, in our extended talking, had "she" not came right out and told me. I was floored. "She" dressed like a legit girl, had the build of a legit girl, and spoke like a real girl. Perhaps the intelligent conversation should have warned me, but had "she" don't mentioned her true sex to me I would have gone back with her! Toooooo close. But, 99% if tune time your instincts will guide you and, of course, if you have any doubt, simply ask. Or, if you bring her to your hotel, ask the staff when "she" turns in her ID.

Many of the girls will be flattered if you ask if they are a real girl, as they acknowledge that many LBs are prettier than the average girl, so it is a compliment. Of course, word the question in a flattering way, I. E. "You are so beautiful. Are you really a girl?" Something like that.

Many newbies are indeed concerned about LBs, but stay sober, be observant, ask if you you must, and you will be fine.

And, no, of course 95% of the sex workers are not males!

[QUOTE=Komo753;2166490]I got a good score 10 out of 11, I mistook a girl for a ladyboy. Damn I will reject many girls just because I think they are not ladies and also because I have to find a way to keep my girlfriend busy in order for her to pay attention to something other than me while I fuck some other girls. I am totally screwed. I really miss fucking other girls.

So there are no bars that only gather girls. That means all depends on your luck and vigilance.

Find below the picture I am mistaken about.[/QUOTE]LBs are easier to detect in person, the deeper voice, the exaggerated walk, big feet. Do a search for how to detect LBs for some more tips and there are many girl only bars but how will you escape from your GF to get to them?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2166620]But, 99% if tune time your instincts will guide you and, of course, if you have any doubt, simply ask. Or, if you bring her to your hotel, ask the staff when "she" turns in her ID.[/QUOTE]You could always ask to see the ID yourself. It says male or female on it.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2166490]I have to find a way to keep my girlfriend busy in order for her to pay attention to something other than me while I fuck some other girls.[/QUOTE]Seriously man. You must be really new. With all the massaging going on in Thailand you can't think to set your girl up for 3 hours in a spa? Oil massage, manicure, pedicure, foot scrub, facial, foot massage and 5 hours are gone already.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2166312]Is it true 90 per cent of the hookers in Thailand are ladyboys and dickless transsexuals?

Some people told me I have to be careful of beautiful women and that most ladyboys work in the same area as real women so you can't distinguish them. Unlike in Brazil, women are separated from ladyboys and don't work in the same area in Brazil. The only women you can fuck are the women pimped by their lazy boyfriends. That's a question I ask.

I have been to Thailand but never mongered out there. Damn I will soon go to thailand with my partner I will be screwed.

1) my partner will be up my ass.

2) I don't want to run into a cock or scarred pussy.[/QUOTE]You have been subjected to gross exaggeration. Of course there are many places that reliably have girls only. Most massage joints (with girls) and certain bars are reliable.

Yes coming with your partner will limit your possibilities greatly. She will get suspicious when you go missing for too long. Even she can be engrossed in shopping for a couple of hours you might be okay Your phone will need to start playing up of have a flat battery. You can't afford to answer it when in the wrong situation.

Scared pussy is best avoided by going to pornstar type massage joints, however the girls there are not very pretty. Can meet scared pussy girls easily at any place that has a lot of Asian customers, I find. I even asked some bargirls if they like small or big. LOL Fortunately one or two answered the right way. Try to find girls that mainly do Farangs.

If you have a very short window of opportunity, consider going to a Blowjob bar like Kasilong, and ask which girls will give full service including a fuck. It is possible to get all done in 30 minutes.

As for online tests for ladyboys. It's much harder to pick them if don't meet them in the flesh. From pic only can be difficult. Your pic looked enough like a woman to me, but I have to hear the voice, see how they move and walk, look at the hands, etc. In the pic you gave, I don't detect obvious surgeries, she has very good waist to thigh curve (unlikely for ladyboy), possibly no nose job, etc. However no guarantee. She could have taken female hormones from a very young age.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2165974] Similar to my foot, I am sure they can not add nerves to a fake pussy, which means it is just a dead hole.[/QUOTE]You may be right that they cannot add (new) nerves, but as far as I know it's not a dead hole because they basically turn the dick inside out when they create a fake pussy. So all the existing nerves are still there and 'she' is still able to get orgasms as well (but without ejaculating obviously).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2166302]Ha ha. How do you smell a pussy without going down? LOL It has to be a bit whiffy or Time of Month to have odour detectable from a distance. Not many Thai girls are that whiffy. Okay Look first, then sniff, then lick. I probably omit the sniff test, odour can come of its own accord. I am more likely to pull out if pussy stinks than no odour at all. No overly dark situations for me. I certainly need to see the pussy from not too close clearly, without my glasses on. Big Bush adds its problems. Still need to see the pussy lips and bud.

As a good percentage of my girls have been seen clearly naked before BFing, I am yet to see any secret LBs dancing naked. They tend to avoid that. I have seen a post op LB naked, from the entrance of a Nana LB bar once (I think it was Voodoo or replacement bar in same location), and really did not look like a girl to me. Curves were all wrong and big Bush. I did not choose to go in (danger danger! So I am yet to see a Post-op completely naked, that convincingly looked like a woman in all respects. Big Bush would be an obvious warning sign.[/QUOTE]First, I hope it never happens but I would never even consider taking one if I have doubts at all. Maybe it is where I use to live S. F. That is pretty good training how to spot one in general. Just joking a bit but everyone has a natural scent to them no matter how much you wash. For myself I like to play around especially in the shower and when I go down like to spread and take a look around play with the toy if the toy is plastic I be out of there of course pay! that is the due I will gladly paid just to have been fool to go that far and certainly be more careful in the future if I'm able to get it up after the shock.

Only happen once here in Thailand so far after all these years took a real good looking one, nice legs, figure real sexy took her fun to be with ST, I was rock hard ready to go then went down to take a look and I nearly past out from the odor, yeast infection? I'm no baker that odor knock LBM out.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2167025]
Only happen once here in Thailand so far after all these years took a real good looking one, nice legs, figure real sexy took her fun to be with ST, I was rock hard ready to go then went down to take a look and I nearly past out from the odor, yeast infection? I'm no baker that odor knock LBM out.[/QUOTE]Odours matter a lot for sensitive nose. LOL Could be Candida (Thrush) or could be her period (that can be a lot worse). My ex wife had a lot of Thrush problems so I did not go down there. Farangs don't always clean well. Current partner has no such problems, so always go down. No odour sufficient to be worth mentioning.

Some Thai girls are willing to have sex during their period without a sponge inside, but not that many I find. I am not scared of a little blood. My GF would not consider it though.

I am in sticky climate here for Songkran, so I shower several times per day and use a weak acid wash down there daily (Lactacyd) just to be absolutely doing the most to keep yeast infections away. It is good for the Mrs. To have confidence she is not going to pick up a yeast infection from the man. Can happen during hot sticky sex.

Also we must change underwear frequently (so dry and not sticky) or not wear any. Having a very low carbs diet also helps keep away certain yeast and bad bacteria.

Many working girls have to work during their period and then stuff a yellow sponge up there referred to as "Luuk Jiap" (like a "baby chicken" This makes it quite impossible for me to fuck them as sponge can be felt with a finger in pussy. So Sponge is not more than 4 inches away. Unfortunately I need more penetration than 4 inches. It is true that the sponge compresses but I still never get a good feeling from fucking a sponge. The dick then goes limp fairly rapidly. Sponges have been known to abrade condoms and cause them to break. Happened to me once or twice.

Many times I have been able to persuade a girl to take the sponge out, and then all is well. A high percentage also try to deny the sponge is there at first. There are a small number of Thai girls that try to work always with a sponge stuffed in there. They may try this to protect uterus from brusing during pounding. I gave up one Thai girl who claimed she always used a sponge.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2166302]Ha ha. How do you smell a pussy without going down? LOL It has to be a bit whiffy or Time of Month to have odour detectable from a distance. Not many Thai girls are that whiffy. Okay Look first, then sniff, then lick. I probably omit the sniff test, odour can come of its own accord. [/QUOTE]Smell your fingers after inserting one or two of them?

I'm not a big believer that a strange, funky or even bad odor in a pussy tells us much of anything significant, unless it is truly rancid. But I don't think I read anyone actually answering your opening question there so thought I might as well jump in with one of the more obvious ways I know of to do it. Hope that helps.

Thank you for your advice. Syzygies; Mr Enternational, Run Mann, FL Hawk.

Mr Enternational: I am not as experienced in mongering in different places as you are. The only countries I am good at mongering in are Brazil and Russia, Because I am more into Caucasian providers. I had mongered in Japan few times but now I can't. I have been to many countries but not for mongering purpose.

Run Mann: Thanks for the link of the website you posted, I envisage trying girl only bars but I think it will be impossible because it is only open at night, I am sure any spa that Mr Enternational mentioned is closed at night so I have to find a way.

FL Hawk: good suggestion, better to see the ID before taking action, I will also ask every girl I am interested in if they are LB or women.

Syzygies: My objective is to get laid with some stunners that's why I am more interested in clubs, I just want to avoid scam clubs. My aim is to have a good experience with Thai stunners and not to only get my balls empty. Because I won't go to Thailand for a while. I don't want to leave Thailand regretfully because our first experience in a country is always the most important because that determines whether we will continue mongering at that place or not.

I would also like to ask members that also have experience in mongering in Brazil or Russia.

BBBJ and DFK are as common as in Brazil and Russia. Thai women are as hardcore as Russian and Brazilian women? The only Asian women I fucked are Japanese women and Russian Asians. I find Japanese women good at providing GF experience but not as hardcore as Russian and Brazilian women. I don't know about Thai Women I have never been with them. So I won't feel comfortable with any Asian women. 1) I don't know the Thai language and culture and I get the feeling the women are too soft for me, provided that my experience with Japanese women in bed was not good to the same degree as with Russian and Brazilian women.

Concerning Asian women's appearance, I am into skinny and fair-skinned women with piercings and tattoos. No preference for height.

P.S. I can't judge Thai women because I have never been with them, hope to have an insight from someone who hooked up with women of different ethnicities.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2167255]Smell your fingers after inserting one or two of them?

I'm not a big believer that a strange, funky or even bad odor in a pussy tells us much of anything significant, unless it is truly rancid. But I don't think I read anyone actually answering your opening question there so thought I might as well jump in with one of the more obvious ways I know of to do it. Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]Some questions were meant to be rhetorical. The LOL tried to signify a joking question, not very serious. However I never thought of the need to check a Thai girls cleanliness by putting in fingers. I do like to put in fingers to check for that damned sponge that is "stuffing it up". LOL There that was another attempted semi joke, even though a serious statement.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2167263]
Run Mann: Thanks for the link of the website you posted, I envisage trying girl only bars but I think it will be impossible because it is only open at night, I am sure any spa that Mr Enternational mentioned is closed at night so I have to find a way.

[/QUOTE]There are many ways to remove the chains from around your neck or wherever she has it on you. There are also several places that offer 24 hour outcall massage to your hotel room so a two hour outcall massage session for her could provide some cover for you to step out for a while. CL has a number of them under the Therapeutic section.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2167263]Syzygies: My objective is to get laid with some stunners that's why I am more interested in clubs, I just want to avoid scam clubs. My aim is to have a good experience with Thai stunners and not to only get my balls empty. Because I won't go to Thailand for a while. I don't want to leave Thailand regretfully because our first experience in a country is always the most important because that determines whether we will continue mongering at that place or not.

I would also like to ask members that also have experience in mongering in Brazil or Russia.
[/QUOTE]Komo,

I tried to answer your previous post largely relating toladyboys, but your latest reply to me seems unrelated, in that you did not mention these clubs at first, in the post I replied to. Clubs can be expensive, and girl may not be available to go fuck, except at a latter time. So you could waste a lot of time entertaining without getting the sex going immediately. Added to that club girls maybe used to Asian customers and dick scared. Those girls will be very unlikely to perform to Brazil girl standards.

So I think your requirements seem a bit confused and contradictory. Explore clubs when you have no Mrs. Keeping a ball and chain on you.

You really have to decide what you want and how that can be achieved with a very limited time window. I don't see your Mrs. Being happy for you to disappear for hours. This means you won't have time to find stunners with guaranteed performance. Be prepared to take looks or performance, one or the other, but convenience and quick time being paramount.

You probably have to be content with a quick visit to a massage or blowjob joint, since that requires the least time. If you have hours to spare (without the Mrs being worried), you can try "The Lord" soapy or find a stunning Coyote girl in Billboard or Dollhouse in evening (8 PM+).

I would point out that I have a lot of difficulty to find stunning girls with great performance and not dick scared, and that is even without any restrictions on my movements and time in Bangkok. I have couple of bargirls that are a lot of fun regularly from Shark bar, Pat and Maa, but they might not be your taste. My best looking MP girls are all gone, so I have to look for new ones. Takes time.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2167132]Odours matter a lot for sensitive nose. LOL Could be Candida (Thrush) or could be her period (that can be a lot worse). My ex wife had a lot of Thrush problems so I did not go down there. Farangs don't always clean well. Current partner has no such problems, so always go down. No odour sufficient to be worth mentioning.

Some Thai girls are willing to have sex during their period without a sponge inside, but not that many I find. I am not scared of a little blood. My GF would not consider it though.

I am in sticky climate here for Songkran, so I shower several times per day and use a weak acid wash down there daily (Lactacyd) just to be absolutely doing the most to keep yeast infections away. It is good for the Mrs. To have confidence she is not going to pick up a yeast infection from the man. Can happen during hot sticky sex.

Also we must change underwear frequently (so dry and not sticky) or not wear any. Having a very low carbs diet also helps keep away certain yeast and bad bacteria.

Many working girls have to work during their period and then stuff a yellow sponge up there referred to as "Luuk Jiap" (like a "baby chicken" This makes it quite impossible for me to fuck them as sponge can be felt with a finger in pussy. So Sponge is not more than 4 inches away. Unfortunately I need more penetration than 4 inches. It is true that the sponge compresses but I still never get a good feeling from fucking a sponge. The dick then goes limp fairly rapidly. Sponges have been known to abrade condoms and cause them to break. Happened to me once or twice.

Many times I have been able to persuade a girl to take the sponge out, and then all is well. A high percentage also try to deny the sponge is there at first. There are a small number of Thai girls that try to work always with a sponge stuffed in there. They may try this to protect uterus from brusing during pounding. I gave up one Thai girl who claimed she always used a sponge.[/QUOTE]Yea Songkran, especially today I must have taken 6 showers everytime I need to go to the bathroom, I just stripped and after took a quick shower. I pretty much a gamer if the pussy has a bit of natural odor and the girl is a looker I'm not going to pass it up. But the one I mentioned it was so bad it nearly knock me over, like I opened a refrigerator and left something rotting for a long time? Being a nice type of guy I just played it off it was me, old tired and can't get it up. It was in one of the Darkside bars in Pattaya wasn't going to hurt her feelings and since it was only 700ST I paid here she even had the nerve to ask for a tip, I just smile could of took her then.

A few years back I was seeing a showgirl regularly, I use to joke how many times you give to your Thai boyfriend she was serious I was getting more than he was although I was paying. True of not she told me she was on the pill since she didn't want another kid especially by him and there were a number of times she ask me to take her for her monthly checkup required by the place she worked. That being said I pretty much saw her exclusively one evening at a party with her friends she offered everything up with protection. There were times when we were together she said she was having her period but if I was horny and it didn't bother me pretty much told me to knock myself out and I did just wasted a good towel.

I am sure most of the guys reading this are aware of the mistake of even faintly having any feelings other then lust for your typical Thai bar girl. I have a trip coming up to Thailand and as my MO I make some contacts pre-trip to fill in voids in my time like early morning romps or can not be bothered to go out that night. One such contact put some photos on her Line timeline which I instantly recognised as a city in my country and asked how long she was there for? After a few messages back and forth she told me she was with her Boyfriend but was considering a meeting with me if I ventured to that part of the country. Due to time and distance restraints I declined.

The moral of the story is you can take the girl out of the bar but. You know the rest.

Don't let little head rule big head.

Rob.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2167623]But the one I mentioned it was so bad it nearly knock me over, like I opened a refrigerator and left something rotting for a long time? [/QUOTE]That is not too unusual for a western girl's period, although Thai girl periods are rarely that bad. Probably is worse for girls that use pads rather than tampons. The other option is she had an STD or very bad thrush. Anyway, better not to fuck a stinky pussy. I have fucked a few girls with period with minimal odours. They go for a good rinse first.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2167815]
The moral of the story is you can take the girl out of the bar but. You know the rest.

Don't let little head rule big head.
[/QUOTE]If a girl has been working a bar for a very short time, her character may not have been too warped yet, especially if she is part time and selects her customers, like in Thermae.

However, as a girlfriend, she is really only likely to be with you for economic reasons. She is likely to collect multiple "boyfriend" sponsors. She may well be supporting a lazy Thai boy on the side.

Once a girl wants to meet you on an ongoing basis for no money, only then is there a chance it is not economic. Even then she may be thinking of future economic improvement.

It's very simple that we can buy sex, or companionship time, but it is not love that can be bought. Added to that you never really start to know someone until you live with them many hours per day on along term basis (years). You also don't know them unless you saw them drunk a few times and picked a fight with them while they are drunk.

It is not impossible to make a relationship, with a hooker, is just the chances are very very low. Chances can be low for regular Thai girls as well. Cultural differences and standards of behaviour can be incompatible. I am even allergic to girls from my own culture, LOL.

My attitude, is if ever finish with GF, I certainly don't want another one. Too much hassle. Too few benefits.

Lastly, if you have fallen for some girl real quick, you can forget her real quick as well, once you see it was unwise. It is called infatuation and is very temporary. Once you are with her for many years, it becomes different.

Us old guys learned these lessons.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2167950]If a girl has been working a bar for a very short time, her character may not have been too warped yet, especially if she is part time and selects her customers, like in Thermae.

However, as a girlfriend, she is really only likely to be with you for economic reasons. She is likely to collect multiple "boyfriend" sponsors. She may well be supporting a lazy Thai boy on the side.

Once a girl wants to meet you on an ongoing basis for no money, only then is there a chance it is not economic. Even then she may be thinking of future economic improvement.

It's very simple that we can buy sex, or companionship time, but it is not love that can be bought. Added to that you never really start to know someone until you live with them many hours per day on along term basis (years). You also don't know them unless you saw them drunk a few times and picked a fight with them while they are drunk.

It is not impossible to make a relationship, with a hooker, is just the chances are very very low. Chances can be low for regular Thai girls as well. Cultural differences and standards of behaviour can be incompatible. I am even allergic to girls from my own culture, LOL.

My attitude, is if ever finish with GF, I certainly don't want another one. Too much hassle. Too few benefits.

Lastly, if you have fallen for some girl real quick, you can forget her real quick as well, once you see it was unwise. It is called infatuation and is very temporary. Once you are with her for many years, it becomes different.

Us old guys learned these lessons.[/QUOTE]A lovely little girl from Semarang in Indonesia gave me a good lesson 15+ years ago! It could have have been more costly but a gut feeling inspired me to make a fake Yahoo ID and she soon showed her true colours to my new persona.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2167966]A lovely little girl from Semarang in Indonesia gave me a good lesson 15+ years ago! It could have have been more costly but a gut feeling inspired me to make a fake Yahoo ID and she soon showed her true colours to my new persona.[/QUOTE]The really skilled girls are harder to catch out, as don't tell a lot of easily detected lies, and don't necessarily hookup on the internet sites. Can be just the girl omits major details of what is going on in her life.

I just warn that some girls went undetected for very long times.

Here is my experience for what its worth. I was on a budget. Others here can add or disagree.

You will most likely fly into Bangkok. I wanted to go to pattaya. It is smaller and less intimidating if everything is new. To get there, at airport, after customs you go downstairs. There are buses that go to pattaya every hour. This is best way to go. While at airport you need to get some thai money. I suggest at least 5000 baht $150. You get from an ATM. You can extend your visa to 2 months at airport. I don't know how, hopefully others here will explain. Also you can get a sim card here. I got my sim card in pattaya. I added time to it when it got low by going to 7/11.

You should have a motel already picked out. Have the details and address in your phone. Have a picture of a map to it in your phone also. The place the bus takes you will have taxis close by. Have one of them take you to motel. It shouldn't cost more than a couple hundred baht. I think you can trust you are getting a fair price. You have nothing to compare so go with anything below say 500 thb. It shouldn't be near that high though. You need the map because many taxi drivers wont know the hotel and cant read the address in english.

Baht buses are the way to get around pattaya. They cost 10 baht. You ring a bell to get off. They have specific routes and you just change baht buses when you need. Ask someone on the bus how it works. They almost always are willing to help.

Walking street is the big place most newbies want to go to. It has the gogo bars. There are other places. But1st couple of days walking street, soi 6 and beer bars are all you need. Soi means street. The numbered ones run 90 degrees from beach road.

Prices of girls at berr bars and soi 6 were 1000 baht and 300 baht barfine. I never got a girl out of a gogo.

I suggest first night you get a girl at soi 6 and take her upstairs to have. Overnight I liked better but it might seem weird first night in a foreign country sleeping next to a woman you just met.

Big advice next. Go for what you want. Want a 3 some tell that, want CIM do that. Don't want to buy some girl a drink, then don't. I don't mean be a dick, but its your vacation and your money.

Anyone want to know anything else I will answer best I can. Again others here will have different opinions. These are just mine.

7/11's are different from those here. They are not jacked up prices. If you need something and 7/11 has it it is a fair price. I trusted food carts. They are everywhere. I never got sick from one. Have a map showing your motel on your phone. If you get lost get a motorbike taxi and show him map to get home. Motorbike taxis are everywhere. A lot of stuff in no name stores is counterfeit, though some is just as good as real. You can get viagra at most pharmacies, though a few told me they couldn't sell it and I would need a prescription. Beach road is easy to find so learn where things are in relation to it.

Pattaya is safe. But don't be an idiot and be aware. I got pickpocketed by a ladyboy being grabby when I was walking about. So be careful if someone is putting there hands on you. There is no need to have more money on you then hou will need. I locked my valuables in a hard sided suitcase.

Pattaya is safe other then the traffic. It is something else. Be careful crossing roads. Motor bikes come out of nowhere and obey no law.

Atm's charge a 220 baht fee. So you are better withdrawing more money at a time as the fee is the same wheter you withdaw 500 thb or 5000 thb.

Some things i never figured out. I didnt understand my phone billing. I would go to 7/11 every few weeks and give them my number and 500 baht. I lost the ability to use cellular internet a few times. Wifi is a lot of places though.

Get line message app. Everyone in Thailand uses it and it is free.

Good job Horatio. I would add to your primer. I always stay at hotels with an in room safe instead of using a suitcase as a safe. Your suitcase can be stolen. If possible get a debit card that will pay all fees when used abroad. I have an account at Charles Schwab Company which provides debit cards that don't cost anything to use at any ATM. Schwab refunds all ATM fees. There is no need to bring a lot of cash to Thailand or to walk around with a lot of cash. I don't know whether or not this service is available to Schwab clients outside the USA.

Most phones will work in Thailand but they need to be unlocked to accept a Thai Sim card. Thai telephone based internet is reliable and fast. Just as good as the USA in most places. Great for accessing the internet and using Google maps.

Don't rent jet skis. It looks like fun but these guys are big time scammers. They will overcharge for damage to the jet ski whether you caused it or not.

Keep far away from ladyboys on the street as Horatio mentioned. They are highly skilled in the art of pickpocketing and known to be scammers. Don't go near them. When they approach I smile, cover my pockets with my hands, and quickly walk away from them without furthur eye contact.

I would suggest not renting motorbikes. Other than girls, the most fun I had in Pattaya was renting motorbikes with my wingman on my annual trips. We loved tooling around town and riding to Jomtien, the floating market, the big Pattaya hill, and other nearby places. I stopped renting three years ago. There is too much traffic and it has become too dangerous especially for a rider who only drives a car at home. Also the police will ticket you unless you have an international driving license valid for motorcycles.

Horatio's primer can go on and on but this is a good start.

[QUOTE=Allover;2170670]I would suggest not renting motorbikes. Other than girls, the most fun I had in Pattaya was renting motorbikes with my wingman on my annual trips. We loved tooling around town and riding to Jomtien, the floating market, the big Pattaya hill, and other nearby places. I stopped renting three years ago. There is too much traffic and it has become too dangerous especially for a rider who only drives a car at home. Also the police will ticket you unless you have an international driving license valid for motorcycles.
[/QUOTE]Also if you have an accident and don't have a valid motorcycle license then you could invalidate your travel insurance. Best to check your policy beofre leaving home.

As there seems to be a lot of discussion related to expenses recently, I thought I would share my recent trip- 4/1-4/12- 11 nights (3 BKK, 8 Jomtien Beach) on the ground, as I used to live on expense account I am used to keeping records, even on vacation.

Ground Transportation: $112- I used pre arranged taxis thru Peak Taxi- all good fares, except going Airport to BKK where I pre-arranged over the internet- don't do this, book a car at the airport for about $10 less. After or before 30 hours on an airplane I don't want to wait for a bus. I use the Baht Bus in Pattaya / Jomtien and the BTS in BKK, and there is quite a bit of walking also.

Food: $15 daily average, except breakfast was included in the room. I enjoy a good hotel breakfast which can easily be had if planned ahead, then generally a light lunch and food market / car park dinner of local foods. Also enjoy street food and the Food Court at Terminal 21 is about as good as you can get (you can eat just about as much as you would like for $7).

Beer: $12 daily average- beer runs 65-150 generally about 75.

Misc / Tours: $18 daily average- this includes daily foot massage, laundry, snacks, - don't hire a guide for any of the tours- especially a working girl- you can do it all on your own if you have two wits about you.

Entertainment: $70 daily- I was exclusive with Thai Friendly girls, I had 9 with several overnights, the latter being the best bet- I liked the 2:00 pm til 9:00 am schedule the best. Generally in BKK 2500 (2 hrs /2 Shots), Jomtien 1,000ST, 1500 2/2- overnight about the same with food, treats, breakfast and a tip pushing it upward. Thai Friendly Girls 18-25 1000,38-41 1500 with 2/2 and generally as long as you like.

I am not big into GO GO bars, therefore I visited a number but did not do LD or Bar Fines, be sure to go and look- if you are nice and friendly and buy your own drinks and be upfront that you are not going to bar fine, you can enjoy a great scene do some touch and feel and enjoy for the price of a couple of beers- I have done beer bars but seem to be looking at too many old pros, there are two bars "Wonderful 1 and 2" second road and Soi 13 and one block down which seem to have a different set up for selection of girls which is positive so I have enjoy their service in the past.

The gentlemen's clubs (Kinearne? Is good but seems to be really a 1 and done for all in 1500, I went into Kit Kat Club in Jomtien and was the only guy there so left and have not been back, Soapies in Pattaya in the past 2200-2500 for their routine- do it once. MP in BKK vary by the experience- I did not get to them this trip, Soi 6 and Nana are good to walk thru but not my style.

Hotels: Bangkok. Adelphi Suites: $100, Agate Jomtien Beach $55- both inclusive of tax, tip, and breakfast for two- you can obtain best rates by dealing direct with the hotels (get a compare rate and availability on the search engine res services (Booking, Agoda) but then deal direct with hotels).

My selection of hospitality services may be not as normal as many on the site, as I have been to Thailand multiple times, and have matured past 65 so two sessions a day can't be accomplished in their entirety each day. And I have a tough time staying up til 4:00 am waiting for a bar girl.

Rates are based on 31 Baht per US $, which is almost 10% less than last year, and some prices have gone up in Thailand as well.

Hope this information helps for anyone planning a trip. Thanks to all that have contributed to the Forum and remember RTFF, YMMV, and Cheers, PM me for any specifics.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2171660]As there seems to be a lot of discussion related to expenses recently, I thought I would share my recent trip- 4/1-4/12- 11 nights (3 BKK, 8 Jomtien Beach) on the ground, as I used to live on expense account I am used to keeping records, even on vacation.

Ground Transportation: $112- I used pre arranged taxis thru Peak Taxi- all good fares, except going Airport to BKK where I pre-arranged over the internet- don't do this, book a car at the airport for about $10 less. After or before 30 hours on an airplane I don't want to wait for a bus. I use the Baht Bus in Pattaya / Jomtien and the BTS in BKK, and there is quite a bit of walking also.

Food: $15 daily average, except breakfast was included in the room. I enjoy a good hotel breakfast which can easily be had if planned ahead, then generally a light lunch and food market / car park dinner of local foods. Also enjoy street food and the Food Court at Terminal 21 is about as good as you can get (you can eat just about as much as you would like for $7).

Beer: $12 daily average- beer runs 65-150 generally about 75.

Misc / Tours: $18 daily average- this includes daily foot massage, laundry, snacks, - don't hire a guide for any of the tours- especially a working girl- you can do it all on your own if you have two wits about you.

Entertainment: $70 daily- I was exclusive with Thai Friendly girls, I had 9 with several overnights, the latter being the best bet- I liked the 2:00 pm til 9:00 am schedule the best. Generally in BKK 2500 (2 hrs /2 Shots), Jomtien 1,000ST, 1500 2/2- overnight about the same with food, treats, breakfast and a tip pushing it upward. Thai Friendly Girls 18-25 1000,38-41 1500 with 2/2 and generally as long as you like.

I am not big into GO GO bars, therefore I visited a number but did not do LD or Bar Fines, be sure to go and look- if you are nice and friendly and buy your own drinks and be upfront that you are not going to bar fine, you can enjoy a great scene do some touch and feel and enjoy for the price of a couple of beers- I have done beer bars but seem to be looking at too many old pros, there are two bars "Wonderful 1 and 2" second road and Soi 13 and one block down which seem to have a different set up for selection of girls which is positive so I have enjoy their service in the past.

The gentlemen's clubs (Kinearne? Is good but seems to be really a 1 and done for all in 1500, I went into Kit Kat Club in Jomtien and was the only guy there so left and have not been back, Soapies in Pattaya in the past 2200-2500 for their routine- do it once. MP in BKK vary by the experience- I did not get to them this trip, Soi 6 and Nana are good to walk thru but not my style.

Hotels: Bangkok. Adelphi Suites: $100, Agate Jomtien Beach $55- both inclusive of tax, tip, and breakfast for two- you can obtain best rates by dealing direct with the hotels (get a compare rate and availability on the search engine res services (Booking, Agoda) but then deal direct with hotels).

My selection of hospitality services may be not as normal as many on the site, as I have been to Thailand multiple times, and have matured past 65 so two sessions a day can't be accomplished in their entirety each day. And I have a tough time staying up til 4:00 am waiting for a bar girl.

Rates are based on 31 Baht per US $, which is almost 10% less than last year, and some prices have gone up in Thailand as well.

Hope this information helps for anyone planning a trip. Thanks to all that have contributed to the Forum and remember RTFF, YMMV, and Cheers, PM me for any specifics.[/QUOTE]Excellent posting with some realistic expenses. Thanks.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2171660]
Rates are based on 31 Baht per US $, which is almost 10% less than last year, and some prices have gone up in Thailand as well.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the summary but next time please quote all prices in Baht. This board has members from all over the world, not just the US, so please quote prices in the currency of the land you're talking about. Makes it a lot easier for everyone to convert the prices to their home currency.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2171884]Thanks for the summary but next time please quote all prices in Baht. This board has members from all over the world, not just the US, so please quote prices in the currency of the land you're talking about. Makes it a lot easier for everyone to convert the prices to their home currency.[/QUOTE]Not only, prices, be them, hotel, food, girls, bars are expressed in baht. And will not change because the exchange rate fluctuates.

ST has always been around 1000 b. In Pattaya and 1500 in Bangkok. Still it is, even if more expensive for farang because di the rate.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2171891]Not only, prices, be them, hotel, food, girls, bars are expressed in baht. And will not change because the exchange rate fluctuates.

ST has always been around 1000 b. In Pattaya and 1500 in Bangkok. Still it is, even if more expensive for farang because di the rate.[/QUOTE]You will be hard pressed to find ST for 1,500 Baht in Bangkok. 2,500 Baht is the norm now in the Go go bars, Thermae, We chat, Craig's List, Thai Friendly, and most clubs where freelancers are such as Insanity. The price will drop for street walkers and for freelancers in the Soi 7 Beer garden. Prices will go up in Spasso, Mixx, and Levels.

Most girls will ask for 3,000 and you can counter with 2000 but agree on 2,500. The odd one will go for 2000 on a slow night.

There are so few posts that give prices in detail, I sm happy to see them in sny currency.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2171884]Thanks for the summary but next time please quote all prices in Baht. This board has members from all over the world, not just the US, so please quote prices in the currency of the land you're talking about. Makes it a lot easier for everyone to convert the prices to their home currency.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2171884]Thanks for the summary but next time please quote all prices in Baht. This board has members from all over the world, not just the US, so please quote prices in the currency of the land you're talking about. Makes it a lot easier for everyone to convert the prices to their home currency.[/QUOTE]The guy is breaking his actual total costs and has been kind enough to share them with us. People reading this may be from all over the world, but he isn't. He broke down the actual prices in baht.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2171906]You will be hard pressed to find ST for 1,500 Baht in Bangkok. 2,500 Baht is the norm now in the Go go bars, Thermae, We chat, Craig's List, Thai Friendly, and most clubs where freelancers are such as Insanity. The price will drop for street walkers and for freelancers in the Soi 7 Beer garden. Prices will go up in Spasso, Mixx, and Levels.

Most girls will ask for 3,000 and you can counter with 2000 but agree on 2,500. The odd one will go for 2000 on a slow night.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the only 1500 I hear is from sporadic SW's and Nana Hotel Sign girls.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2171906]You will be hard pressed to find ST for 1,500 Baht in Bangkok. 2,500 Baht is the norm now... [/QUOTE]You can still find plenty of girls for 1000-1500, although in Farang areas more might be the [I]asking[/I] rate.

Easiest thing is to go to a BJ bar like Som's Haven and get FS for 1200. Then there are streetwalkers: most on Soi 3 or Soi 4 would be happy with 1500 and some will consider 1000. In low-end Thai areas like Yaowarat or Khlong Lot rates are as low as 500 (some women are not worse looking than on Sukhumwit, though service is poor). Online, there's FanFinFin for 1000-1500, and 2000 for the top end of the spectrum.

2300 still gets you 2 h PSE at Tulip or Snow White. With that in mind, I see absolutely no point in paying anything over 2 k or so for a typical not-so-great one-shot ST, unless the girl is truly good looking, and very few are these days.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2172040]You can still find plenty of girls for 1000-1500, although in Farang areas more might be the [I]asking[/I] rate.

Easiest thing is to go to a BJ bar like Som's Haven and get FS for 1200. Then there are streetwalkers: most on Soi 3 or Soi 4 would be happy with 1500 and some will consider 1000. In low-end Thai areas like Yaowarat or Khlong Lot rates are as low as 500 (some women are not worse looking than on Sukhumwit, though service is poor). Online, there's FanFinFin for 1000-1500, and 2000 for the top end of the spectrum.

2300 still gets you 2 h PSE at Tulip or Snow White. With that in mind, I see absolutely no point in paying anything over 2 k or so for a typical not-so-great one-shot ST, unless the girl is truly good looking, and very few are these days.[/QUOTE]The acronyms ST and LT are reserved for freelancers and Go go girls. Obviously this is not referring to massage shops or BJ bars and obviously the average punter who frequents ISG will never ever find themselves using a Thai sideline website. When was the last time you went to Tulip, Snow White, or Som's Heaven and requested LT or ST? Never, because those aren't options. I honestly don't see your point as I already mentioned about Streetwalkers. So what are you actually trying to say here that wasn't already said by me?

If you are going to quote my post, make sure you quote the whole post otherwise your post becomes very misleading and suspect to being just plain argumentative. You conveniently left out the parts of my post referring to Street walkers and so forth when you quoted me.

You can get FS at Som's Haven for 1200?

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2172140]You can get FS at Som's Haven for 1200?[/QUOTE]Yes FS is available but you better be quick as you only get 30 minutes. A couple of the ladies have told me that since they mainly give BJs and rarely have FS they can get quite horny at times.

[QUOTE=Soroche;2172155]Yes FS is available but you better be quick as you only get 30 minutes. A couple of the ladies have told me that since they mainly give BJs and rarely have FS they can get quite horny at times.[/QUOTE]They're not rigid clock watchers though as long as your 30 minutes don't go too far beyond the time limit you should be ok.

Where would you go for a long weekend? Ideally something that has both P4P as well as some tourist sights, and is not too far from Bangkok. And not Pattaya, Phuket, or Phnom Penh (been there).

Any recommendations?

[QUOTE=Horatio;2171909]There are so few posts that give prices in detail, I sm happy to see them in sny currency.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2171911]The guy is breaking his actual total costs and has been kind enough to share them with us. People reading this may be from all over the world, but he isn't. He broke down the actual prices in baht.[/QUOTE]He only broke down the prices partially. But hey, it's not such a big deal and it was a good post nevertheless. I just wanted to point out that it makes more sense to quote prices in baht.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2171906]You will be hard pressed to find ST for 1,500 Baht in Bangkok. 2,500 Baht is the norm now in the Go go bars, Thermae, We chat, Craig's List, Thai Friendly, and most clubs where freelancers are such as Insanity. The price will drop for street walkers and for freelancers in the Soi 7 Beer garden. Prices will go up in Spasso, Mixx, and Levels.

Most girls will ask for 3,000 and you can counter with 2000 but agree on 2,500. The odd one will go for 2000 on a slow night.[/QUOTE]I'm only using WeChat and most girls quote me 2000 or 2500 for a ST. I always negotiate BBFS and can usually get them for 2000, and sometimes 1700 or 1500.

But I have to add that (with a few exceptions) these girls are not 8's or higher. Mostly 7 -ish.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2172140]You can get FS at Som's Haven for 1200?[/QUOTE]The 1200 Bhat is for 30 minutes in a room with a couch. You can also get an hour in a room with a bed for 1700 Bhat.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2172283]I'm only using WeChat and most girls quote me 2000 or 2500 for a ST. I always negotiate BBFS and can usually get them for 2000, and sometimes 1700 or 1500.

But I have to add that (with a few exceptions) these girls are not 8's or higher. Mostly 7 -ish.[/QUOTE]Interesting data here about the cost of mongering in BKK, especially with the recent Smooci thread about comparing SIN and BKK.

It reassures me that I chose to live in Manila instead.

FWIW, 2000 - 2500 THB = 3300 - 4000 PHP.

Given that the standard FL price in Manila for a ST is 1500-2000 PHP (that's my price anyway), it means BKK mongering is twice as expensive as Manila.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2172293]Interesting data here about the cost of mongering in BKK, especially with the recent Smooci thread about comparing SIN and BKK.

It reassures me that I chose to live in Manila instead.

FWIW, 2000 - 2500 THB = 3300 - 4000 PHP.

Given that the standard FL price in Manila for a ST is 1500-2000 PHP (that's my price anyway), it means BKK mongering is twice as expensive as Manila.[/QUOTE]You raise a good point. You can also generalise by saying the Thai girls are prettier, but the Filipinas give a better GFE and speak English.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2172305]You raise a good point. You can also generalise by saying the Thai girls are prettier, but the Filipinas give a better GFE and speak English.[/QUOTE]Yes ED but I stuck to the objective data set which is verifiable by using daily forex rates.

As soon as we get into liveability, food, traffic, prettiness, GFE, English-speaking, other attractions etcetera then we are into the subjective opinion area, and that's where all the arguments on ISG occur.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2172040]You can still find plenty of girls for 1000-1500, although in Farang areas more might be the [I]asking[/I] rate.

Easiest thing is to go to a BJ bar like Som's Haven and get FS for 1200. Then there are streetwalkers: most on Soi 3 or Soi 4 would be happy with 1500 and some will consider 1000. In low-end Thai areas like Yaowarat or Khlong Lot rates are as low as 500 (some women are not worse looking than on Sukhumwit, though service is poor). Online, there's FanFinFin for 1000-1500, and 2000 for the top end of the spectrum.

2300 still gets you 2 h PSE at Tulip or Snow White. With that in mind, I see absolutely no point in paying anything over 2 k or so for a typical not-so-great one-shot ST, unless the girl is truly good looking, and very few are these days.[/QUOTE]Where is Khling Lot?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2172293]Interesting data here about the cost of mongering in BKK, especially with the recent Smooci thread about comparing SIN and BKK.

It reassures me that I chose to live in Manila instead.

FWIW, 2000 - 2500 THB = 3300 - 4000 PHP.

Given that the standard FL price in Manila for a ST is 1500-2000 PHP (that's my price anyway), it means BKK mongering is twice as expensive as Manila.[/QUOTE]Wait, is that standard, or is that YOUR price? You use both words in the sentence.

I'm not trying to be smart, I'm genuinely curious. Never been to the Philippines, though I've slept with a few back in the States and they were all insatiable little sluts in bed (and I mean that in a GOOD way), so.

I mean, here in Bangkok, it's easy to walk into a BJ bar for 1000; it's easy to find SW's that'll do 1500 to 2000; easy to find massage places that are 2000 to 2500 range; Thermae girls from 2500 to 3000, go-go bar girls 3000 to 3500. That's STANDARD, not just (I don't THINK) MY price.

Can you give a similar run down of standard prices for Manila?

And maybe touch on the violent crime issue in the country as well?

Thanks! Always interested in seeing the world!

Scenario #1 (assuming you know no girls previously in MNL); a Makati top end bar girl (Bottoms or Kojax & Plan B, my 3 favorite Burgos bars) barfine is 3900 p and 3500 p respectively which includes two lady drinks (it used to include 10 ladydrinks, but alas no longer), but this does not include the customer's drinks. Then Bottoms or Kojax (Plan B) girls will want 3900 p or 3500 respectively for ST (add another 1000 p for LT). Grand total 7800 p and 7000 p respectively for ST.

EDSA Complex Go Go barfines are approximately 1000 p to 1500 p less and the girls will generally ask for 3000 p for ST so EDSA girls are approximately 2000p ($38) less for ST with no real loss in quality. It is a matter of location, location, location.

Scenario #1 (assuming you know no girls previously in BKK); a Sukhumvit top end Go Go girl (Crazy House or Twister, my 2 favorite bars) barfine is 700 baht which does not include two lady drinks (so for price comparison purposes I will include them here @ 250 baht ea. = 500 baht. Then CH & Twister girls will want 2500 baht to 3000 baht for ST (add another 1000 baht for LT). Grand total 3700 baht to 4200 baht for short time with 2 lady drinks included.

Therefore, in common currency a Makati Go Go bar girl will run you $134 to $149 (EDSA Complex Go Go girls will run you around $100) vs a Sukhumvit Go Go bar girl for $118.5 to $133 for ST including 2 lady drinks. Note: In Sukhumvit Go Go's with coyotes, the coyotes barfine, not her service charge which will remain unchanged in most cases, will be approximately double so Sukhumvit Go Go bar coyotes like those in Mandarin Go Go will run around $143 for ST including 2 lady drinks.

Quality wise IMHO you can find highly attractive girls in both cities although there seem to be more doable girls in the BKK setting. I would add that service wise I like both BKK and MNL girls about equally, but for different reasons which is why I like to visit both cities on my SE Asian trips. Variety man, Variety!

And at the beginning of my Go Go to Go Go price comparison I made the assumption that I know no girls in either city. The price scenario suddenly gets much less expensive in MNL after you get to know the girls and begin to repeat with your favorites. My favorite repeat MNL girls come straight to my hotel eliminating the barfine. Thus my cost for my high end repeat only MNL Go Go girls is 4000 p ($76) for modified one shot ST (3 to 4 hours) although additional costs are always incurred for dinners and bottles of tequila LOL. I like to treat my girls well and party party.

Note: I might write up some more apple to apples price comparisons of BKK to MNL. Scenario #2 would be SW's to SW's ie Burgos Street "massage girls" to Sukhumvit SW's. Scenario #3 would be low to mid-level FL's ie LA Cafe girls to Thermae Cafe. Scenario #4 would be soapy girls to soapy girls ie Flight 187 girls to the Lord girls for example. The message I want to convey from all these price comparisons is that there are great girls in both cities and if you have not checked out both, you should. It's only money! What better way is there to spend it then on girls and drink?

So, for go go girls, there's essentially not all that much of a price difference for newcomers.

Please do this and thanks. I have never been to Philippines and am thinkingbof going there.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2172358]

Note: I might write up some more apple to apples price comparisons of BKK to MNL. Scenario #2 would be SW's to SW's ie Burgos Street "massage girls" to Sukhumvit SW's. Scenario #3 would be low to mid-level FL's ie LA Cafe girls to Thermae Cafe. Scenario #4 would be soapy girls to soapy girls ie Flight 187 girls to the Lord girls for example. The message I want to convey from all these price comparisons is that there are great girls in both cities and if you have not checked out both, you should. It's only money! What better way is there to spend it then on girls and drink?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2172263]Where would you go for a long weekend? Ideally something that has both P4P as well as some tourist sights, and is not too far from Bangkok. And not Pattaya, Phuket, or Phnom Penh (been there).

Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]How about Hua Hin? A two hour drive from BKK. Hua Hin has a few tourist sites and some girls as well.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2172358]Scenario #1 (assuming you know no girls previously in MNL); a Makati top end bar girl (Bottoms or Kojax & Plan B, my 3 favorite Burgos bars) barfine is 3900 p and 3500 p respectively which includes two lady drinks (it used to include 10 ladydrinks, but alas no longer), but this does not include the customer's drinks. Then Bottoms or Kojax (Plan B) girls will want 3900 p or 3500 respectively for ST (add another 1000 p for LT). Grand total 7800 p and 7000 p respectively for ST.

EDSA Complex Go Go barfines are approximately 1000 p to 1500 p less and the girls will generally ask for 3000 p for ST so EDSA girls are approximately 2000p ($38) less for ST with no real loss in quality. It is a matter of location, location, location.

Scenario #1 (assuming you know no girls previously in BKK); a Sukhumvit top end Go Go girl (Crazy House or Twister, my 2 favorite bars) barfine is 700 baht which does not include two lady drinks (so for price comparison purposes I will include them here @ 250 baht ea. = 500 baht. Then CH & Twister girls will want 2500 baht to 3000 baht for ST (add another 1000 baht for LT). Grand total 3700 baht to 4200 baht for short time with 2 lady drinks included.

Therefore, in common currency a Makati Go Go bar girl will run you $134 to $149 (EDSA Complex Go Go girls will run you around $100) vs a Sukhumvit Go Go bar girl for $118.5 to $133 for ST including 2 lady drinks. Note: In Sukhumvit Go Go's with coyotes, the coyotes barfine, not her service charge which will remain unchanged in most cases, will be approximately double so Sukhumvit Go Go bar coyotes like those in Mandarin Go Go will run around $143 for ST including 2 lady drinks.

Quality wise IMHO you can find highly attractive girls in both cities although there seem to be more doable girls in the BKK setting. I would add that service wise I like both BKK and MNL girls about equally, but for different reasons which is why I like to visit both cities on my SE Asian trips. Variety man, Variety!
[/QUOTE]Nice comparison, and especially helpful for me as I live in the Philippines (and can attest to the accuracy of the costs quoted) and will be going to Bangkok for 2 nights next week. I used to live and work in Bangkok, and have made a handful of visits there since moving to the Philippines, but my information and knowledge are well out of date. I did try to PM you with a specific question, but your mailbox is full.

GE.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2172415]So, for go go girls, there's essentially not all that much of a price difference for newcomers.[/QUOTE]No, there's not. Not between BKK and MNL anyway. If you're looking for a cheaper place go to Angeles. Barfines there are around 3000 - 3500 PhP in most bars and they are all inclusive, meaning you don't have to negotiate a fee for the girl seperately. Depending on her service you can give her a small tip (something between 200 and 500).

The barfines in Angeles are for LT officially, however these days quite a lot of girls will come up with some excuse after one or two rounds and want to leave.
In Manila you pay more but you usually get better service and LT is really LT.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2172337]
And maybe touch on the violent crime issue in the country as well?[/QUOTE]Don't worry too much about that. Generally speaking Thailand might be safer than the Phils but most people who take the usual precautions, behave normally and don't get (too) drunk never have any problems.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2172305]You raise a good point. You can also generalise by saying the Thai girls are prettier, but the Filipinas give a better GFE and speak English.[/QUOTE]True, and there will be those who say the opposite of that. You see that on the Latin American forums, as well. Brazilian versus Colombian. Its all subjective. To be sure, there are plenty of pretty women in Thailand, but there are also plenty that aren't.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2172660]Nice comparison, and especially helpful for me as I live in the Philippines (and can attest to the accuracy of the costs quoted) and will be going to Bangkok for 2 nights next week. I used to live and work in Bangkok, and have made a handful of visits there since moving to the Philippines, but my information and knowledge are well out of date. I did try to PM you with a specific question, but your mailbox is full.

GE.[/QUOTE]Indeed, the kind of useful info posted by a respected poster "in the know". Thanks to Natty.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2171906]You will be hard pressed to find ST for 1,500 Baht in Bangkok. 2,500 Baht is the norm now in the Go go bars, Thermae, We chat, Craig's List, Thai Friendly, and most clubs where freelancers are such as Insanity. The price will drop for street walkers and for freelancers in the Soi 7 Beer garden. Prices will go up in Spasso, Mixx, and Levels.

Most girls will ask for 3,000 and you can counter with 2000 but agree on 2,500. The odd one will go for 2000 on a slow night.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree. While I can get street walkers for 1000 to 1500, I mostly don't, as the standard of the body or the service is generally disappointing.

Better to take a reliable Oily girl and pay a bit more, or take FS in a BJ joint in order to get a relative cheapy. That has generally worked out better for me than street walkers. As someone else pointed out BJ girls are bored with doing BJs but not so bored with fucking and DATY. LOL.

In Thermae recently, cannot get 1500. I have paid more and still generally disappointed with the service. Girls seem to want to do relative quickies and not much GFE. Meanwhile I can get really great GFE times from my favourite bargirls, with stunning bodies. So I pay a premium to get a hotter girl.

I cannot be bothered with discos (maybe I am too old). Mostly just sticking to my regulars these days. It is easier and service level is sure. Tried only 4 new girls this year. LOL One MP girl great but disappeared from the MP, BJ bar girl was also great, and the other two not good enough to repeat. I learn that my regulars are always the best bet. Try something new if pretty enough or I am desperate enough.

I don't want to choose any new girl in a rush.

Hi guys,

Used that for various reasons to find company to special needs and now gone the personals, any idea what replaces that?

World wide as of today on Craigslist, It happened a month ago in USA.

Anyone have suggestions for similar web pages here in Thailand?

[QUOTE=TConor;2175598]World wide as of today on Craigslist, It happened a month ago in USA.

Anyone have suggestions for similar web pages here in Thailand?[/QUOTE]Thai Friendly, WeChat.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2175714]Thai Friendly, WeChat.[/QUOTE]WeChat and TF don't have same service provider categories CL.

[QUOTE=Allover;2172654]How about Hua Hin? A two hour drive from BKK. Hua Hin has a few tourist sites and some girls as well.[/QUOTE]I agree. I have lived in Hua Hin a year now and there is plenty of lovin: ST as little as 1000, LT 1500-2000, street walkers, semi-pros / part time girlfriend in all shapes, sizes, and ages. Sure, the 20-year-old, top shelf stunner / spinner / model will cost more but even she can be negotiated on a slow Tuesday night. Bars are closing near midnight most nights and the some staff would love to spend the night in a hotel, make some easy money with the potential to extend for a day or two. Oh, and nearly all of them are constantly working via Thai friendly, Tinder, or Badoo. Many bars employ lady staff but are not bar-fine bars. So, you can chat one up, buy a normal drink or two, shoot some pool, and take her home for 1000-1500. PM me if you want more info.

Good luck,

MHF.

Can I get a bus ride from pattaya to phuket any day if the week? I have taken a bus between the 2 a few times but can't remember if it was just on certain days. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2178269]Can I get a bus ride from pattaya to phuket any day if the week? I have taken a bus between the 2 a few times but can't remember if it was just on certain days. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Why not just fly?

[QUOTE=EBoardbuilder;2178291]Why not just fly?[/QUOTE]Or do a Google search. How hard can it be?

I didn't rhink that would have the answer. But you are right. It. They are available everyday.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2178423]Or do a Google search. How hard can it be?[/QUOTE]

29th. May being a religious holiday bars will be closed and sale of alcohol will be prohibited. I would like to know the oily MP scene. Will the MPs be open? I am landing in BKK on 29th. So was curious to know.

Hi Guys.

I'm landing at Suvarnabhumi tomorrow and I'm wondering if anyone can give me an idea of clearing immigration and customs at the moment? My flight lands at 4. 30 pm and I'm sure last time we were about 2 hours at that time on a Saturday in February.

Thanks in advance.

Rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2184844]Hi Guys.

I'm landing at Suvarnabhumi tomorrow and I'm wondering if anyone can give me an idea of clearing immigration and customs at the moment? My flight lands at 4. 30 pm and I'm sure last time we were about 2 hours at that time on a Saturday in February.

Thanks in advance.

Rob.[/QUOTE]If you don't mind spend a bit (900 baht) go and sign up for the express service online. Works like a dream. I have used it for my last 4 or 5 visits and each time iI have never had to spend more than 2 minutes at immigration. A pretty lady will be standing right outside the aerobridge doors with a placard carrying your name. She will greet you, take your passport, offer to take your hand baggage and escrt you to the premium lane for immigration. That is a breeze. Then on the land side she will come with you to the conveyor belt and wait till you collect your checked-in luggage. She will even offer to come up to your taxi, but here is where I sign her off. Tip if you must. I usually hand over a 100 to make it a round 1000 baht spent on saving 2 hours.

[URL]https://www.bangkokflightservices.com/home/bfs-services/premium-airport-services/[/URL]

[QUOTE=RobJones;2184844]Hi Guys.

I'm landing at Suvarnabhumi tomorrow and I'm wondering if anyone can give me an idea of clearing immigration and customs at the moment? My flight lands at 4. 30 pm and I'm sure last time we were about 2 hours at that time on a Saturday in February.

Thanks in advance.

Rob.[/QUOTE]Wasn't too bad a couple weeks ago. Maybe 30 minutes max. It's no longer high season. It shouldn't be as bad as February.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2184849]If you don't mind spend a bit (900 baht) go and sign up for the express service online. Works like a dream. I have used it for my last 4 or 5 visits and each time iI have never had to spend more than 2 minutes at immigration. A pretty lady will be standing right outside the aerobridge doors with a placard carrying your name. She will greet you, take your passport, offer to take your hand baggage and escrt you to the premium lane for immigration. That is a breeze. Then on the land side she will come with you to the conveyor belt and wait till you collect your checked-in luggage. She will even offer to come up to your taxi, but here is where I sign her off. Tip if you must. I usually hand over a 100 to make it a round 1000 baht spent on saving 2 hours.

[URL]https://www.bangkokflightservices.com/home/bfs-services/premium-airport-services/[/URL][/QUOTE]

Thanks. Good to know. Bookmarked the link. Definitely will consider next time. Now if they had this for the chaos at DMK I'm all over it!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2184850]Thanks. Good to know. Bookmarked the link. Definitely will consider next time. Now if they had this for the chaos at DMK I'm all over it![/QUOTE]Might be a good idea to write to them and check if they have the service at DMK.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2184844]I'm landing at Suvarnabhumi tomorrow and I'm wondering if anyone can give me an idea of clearing immigration and customs at the moment? My flight lands at 4. 30 pm and I'm sure last time we were about 2 hours at that time on a Saturday in February.[/QUOTE]The other morning it took about 5 minutes. It only took that long because they were having a shift change. I have never ever ever had to wait 2 hours. They must have been on strike that day. You can always walk with a limp and ask for the handicap line. I have a picture of when my foot got messed up on Koh Tao. So when push comes to shove I go to the handicap line and if someone asks why I am in that line, I show them the picture in my phone to make them cringe and stop asking so many damn questions.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2184844]Hi Guys.

I'm landing at Suvarnabhumi tomorrow and I'm wondering if anyone can give me an idea of clearing immigration and customs at the moment? My flight lands at 4. 30 pm and I'm sure last time we were about 2 hours at that time on a Saturday in February.

Thanks in advance.

Rob.[/QUOTE]If you fly with an upgrade or business class, they will give you an express pass that will clear you in 5 minutes. The entrance is just past the main entrance for the immigration room. Another perk is that your bags will come up first.

Your going to drop a couple of hundred bucks a day in Bkk so why not get there by flying business at a little higher price?

RL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2184938]The other morning it took about 5 minutes. It only took that long because they were having a shift change. I have never ever ever had to wait 2 hours. They must have been on strike that day. You can always walk with a limp and ask for the handicap line. I have a picture of when my foot got messed up on Koh Tao. So when push comes to shove I go to the handicap line and if someone asks why I am in that line, I show them the picture in my phone to make them cringe and stop asking so many damn questions.[/QUOTE]5 minutes? That doesn't sound right, at all. Anybody else a bit skeptical? I went through customs at BKK a while back, on what I was told was an ordinary day (the guy I cleared with had been through BKK at least a dozen times) and it took at least 30 minutes. Then again, a while back Mr. E was telling me about what I saw during my latest immigration experience at DFW Airport, and described the LE dogs present there, when I have never seen a LE dog at DFW airport in my 40 years of traveling through it.

I have been to Thailand about 40 times over the past 15 or so years, and while I never have been able to clear immigration in 5 minutes I can say from my experience if I can get through in 15 minutes or so I feel like I have done good. I have felt the pain of being in line well over an hours quite a few times. I do think the time of the day plays a large part of it as with the staffing levels at the immigration desks.

I have noticed that if I come in on a flight from say Singapore during the morning the lines do seem to be shorter. However if I am arriving on a flight that comes in later in the evening when several flights that contain a larger percentage of westerners the lines do take a lot longer to move. With all that said I would not discount what any BM says as his experience could be legit. Just because others haven't experienced doesn't make it not true. Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=RoamingRob1;2185298]I have been to Thailand about 40 times over the past 15 or so years, and while I never have been able to clear immigration in 5 minutes[/QUOTE]Agree in general. If you get an ASEAN Card or fly Biz Class it is possible to clear in 5 minutes. Added bonus with ASEAN card is you can get an entry for longer than 30 days.

[QUOTE=RoamingRob1;2185298]
I have noticed that if I come in on a flight from say Singapore during the morning the lines do seem to be shorter. [/QUOTE]My last 2 recent entries to Thailand one via suvabharumi and the other at dmk I notice they pull out anyone with a Singapore passport and they get express service.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2185205]
Your going to drop a couple of hundred bucks a day in Bkk so why not get there by flying business at a little higher price?[/QUOTE]A little higher? Business class is usually about three times more expensive than economy. If I would fly business then I could only go to SE Asia once a year, instead of two or three times on average.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2185273]5 minutes? That doesn't sound right, at all. Anybody else a bit skeptical?[/QUOTE]The only time it took 5 minutes for me (or in fact even less) was when I came back from the Phils around midnight one time and the immigration hall was almost empty. I was also in one of the front rows so I got off the plane quickly.

All other dozens of times it took anywhere between 10 and 30 minutes I think. No reason for me to spend 900 Baht on a express service. That's almost a ST.

On 8th April my flight landed at 4.30 pm. I get surprised we few are from other countries in the Que for immigration other than Chinese groups. Why the hall is full of Chinese!

On 14th April 2.00 pm got the Que in front of immigration on way to manila. It was same the hall was full of Chinese groups. Couple of times my Que immigration officer stand on his chair and warned to some Chinese ladies just to shut the mouth. Too much noise. Citizens from other countries are not much. And we passed the immigration like a breeze.

On 30th April 5.00 pm arrived Suvarnabhumi again from Manila. Just the repeat of other days. No crowd, less visitors than I seen before. Short Que and smooth passing the immigration.

On 8th may passed out BKK. Nothing to surprise we just breezed out the immigration and what the hell the hall was full of Chinese visitors.

The bottom line: What happened to Thailand! Does the visitors getting less these days?

I'd rather ask guys over here who are like-minded, rather than on one of those tourist TwerP boards. I got a hundred and fifty days to go before I leave for a six-month trip, just a few general questions for guys in the ground.

When I go for my visa extension, because I'm coming in on a s e TV do I do that as soon as I get to town, or do I wait until the end of my visit. Is immigration being okay to a guy with a brand new clean passport, no visit since 2015, self-supporting and clean cut with a hidden gutter crawl inside? Similarly, I assume the place to go for my next single entry would be Vientiane, or is it different Embassy the favorite. I'll leave for a couple of weeks at the end of my first 90 stay to go to Laos and Cambodia or even Burma if that's a good place to go.

As to the crackdown, Arecfolks carrying your actual passports in Bangkok itself, or just a photocopy okay. I also have a passport card. I'm not going to be in the red light district very often. I don't drink at all. So I don't get into any trouble.

Just out of curiosity, if you've been staying in Bangkok for a while, what are your districts of choice.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2186516]When I go for my visa extension, because I'm coming in on a s e TV do I do that as soon as I get to town, or do I wait until the end of my visit.
As to the crackdown, Arecfolks carrying your actual passports in Bangkok itself, or just a photocopy okay. I also have a passport card. I'm not going to be in the red light district very often. I don't drink at all. So I don't get into any trouble.[/QUOTE]What crackdown are you speaking of? You just have to be able to produce your passport in a reasonable amount of time. A passport card is not doing you any good, because they want to see the entry stamp to make sure you have not overstayed. Nobody has ever stopped me asking to see a passport. I think this mainly happens when they raid a club or something. And I have been in clubs when they were raided and they have never asked me for anything then either. I am only asked for ID in a traffic stop but I have a Thai license. You go to immigration for an extension on the last day that your visa is valid.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2185442]

The bottom line: What happened to Thailand! Does the visitors getting less these days?[/QUOTE]Visitor numbers are quite reduced in the hotter and wetter months from April to October. Everyone wants the cooler weather from Nov to Feb, so that is why everything is full then.

[QUOTE=Franga;2186562]Visitor numbers are quite reduced in the hotter and wetter months from April to October. Everyone wants the cooler weather from Nov to Feb, so that is why everything is full then.[/QUOTE]That's likely correct. But I have visited Thailand numerous times regardless what the season that was. But always seen the upper Sukhumvit is full of farang. But this time (30th April to 8th May) it surprised me seeing very much empty. I strolled Soi 3 to Asok every day I stayed but all the same. Empty and empty.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2186516]I'd rather ask guys over here who are like-minded, rather than on one of those tourist TwerP boards. I got a hundred and fifty days to go before I leave for a six-month trip, just a few general questions for guys in the ground.

When I go for my visa extension, because I'm coming in on a s e TV do I do that as soon as I get to town, or do I wait until the end of my visit. Is immigration being okay to a guy with a brand new clean passport, no visit since 2015, self-supporting and clean cut with a hidden gutter crawl inside? Similarly, I assume the place to go for my next single entry would be Vientiane, or is it different Embassy the favorite. I'll leave for a couple of weeks at the end of my first 90 stay to go to Laos and Cambodia or even Burma if that's a good place to go.

As to the crackdown, Arecfolks carrying your actual passports in Bangkok itself, or just a photocopy okay. I also have a passport card. I'm not going to be in the red light district very often. I don't drink at all. So I don't get into any trouble.

Just out of curiosity, if you've been staying in Bangkok for a while, what are your districts of choice.[/QUOTE]Leave the passport card at home. It is of no use in Asia. I would always keep my passport in a safe place like a hotel safe. You should carry a copy of your passport and the stamped entry page at all times. I would also suggest emailing a copy of your passport photo page to yourself. In the event you lose your passport, it would be helpful to have a copy in your email.

[QUOTE=Franga;2186562]Everyone wants the cooler weather from Nov to Feb, so that is why everything is full then.[/QUOTE]Everyone wants to get out the cooler European weather from Nov to Feb, so that is why everything is full then (in Thailand).

Anyone knows if an expat allows to invest in stocks in his local Thai bank account and what is the tax for the profits.

My country charge 25 percent from the profits.

[QUOTE=Allover;2186589]it would be helpful to have a copy in your email.[/QUOTE]Excellent idea. Generally what I do I email the list of phone numbers (in a spreadsheet listed meeting date and place) of to be meeting girls to myself. Just open up the email to call next girl when I needed. Some time I m forced to take selfie pic with girls and I send those pic by email to her and to me too. Than I delete those pic from my phone right after I leave her.

While I tend to agree with you about escaping lower European temperatures during Nov-Feb period, on the opposite side I noted that this coming July and August flight prices to BKK are really high compared to other years. Normally I fly either Emirates or Lufthansa but both quoting above 900 euros, Lufth even over 1 k. Even Turkish airlines known for their bargains have rates in the region of 900 euros.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2186594]Everyone wants to get out the cooler European weather from Nov to Feb, so that is why everything is full then (in Thailand).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MadaExpert;2186630]Anyone knows if an expat allows to invest in stocks in his local Thai bank account and what is the tax for the profits.

My country charge 25 percent from the profits.[/QUOTE]You might have to be resident to be able to do that.

Tickets were significantly cheaper for me to fly into pattaya then Bangkok. I am flying from usa. Check flights on Qatar airlines flying onto pattaya on a Tues. Or thurs.

[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2187065]While I tend to agree with you about escaping lower European temperatures during Nov-Feb period, on the opposite side I noted that this coming July and August flight prices to BKK are really high compared to other years. Normally I fly either Emirates or Lufthansa but both quoting above 900 euros, Lufth even over 1 k. Even Turkish airlines known for their bargains have rates in the region of 900 euros.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MadaExpert;2186630]Anyone knows if an expat allows to invest in stocks in his local Thai bank account and what is the tax for the profits.

My country charge 25 percent from the profits.[/QUOTE]Using my own experience which may possibly be out of date as regulations in Thailand constantly change the answer is yes but just as with opening a bank account it's not straightforward. For banking or brokerage services always go to the head office of the bank. There isn't consistency on what the actual regulations are but using a retirement visa I have accounts with 2 banks and 2 brokerages. You wouldn't know for sure till you visit. I found BBK bank on Silom to be the most responsive but you should keep trying if you are initially refused at a particular bank. Also it might help if you are referred by an existing customer in good standing. Dividends are taxed at source at 10% and best of all no capital gains if you are fortunate enough to cash out with a profit.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2187197]Tickets were significantly cheaper for me to fly into pattaya then Bangkok. I am flying from usa. Check flights on Qatar airlines flying onto pattaya on a Tues. Or thurs.[/QUOTE]Every airport has landing fees. If I fly China Air thru Norita it costs and additional $30.00 than going thru Taipei. Also the price of petro is still climbing and I assume that is driving the cost of tickets to be higher. I was told that the petro is 80% of the cost of running an airline.

RL.

Can anyone recommend a really superior tapas restaurant in Bangkok? I have been to some super ones in Europe recently so missing the Flavours that really hit you.

I don't want a pretend Tapas place where food seems similar to Thai, Italian, Japanese, etc. Nor one where many dishes have the same pre prepared tomato sauce. Quality special taste is what I want, and low carbs dishes too. E. g. Boquerones, Pimientos Padron, Gambas Ajillo, champinones al ajillo, special duck and pork dishes, etc.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2195885]Can anyone recommend a really superior tapas restaurant in Bangkok? I have been to some super ones in Europe recently so missing the Flavours that really hit you.

I don't want a pretend Tapas place where food seems similar to Thai, Italian, Japanese, etc. Nor one where many dishes have the same pre prepared tomato sauce. Quality special taste is what I want, and low carbs dishes too. E. g. Boquerones, Pimientos Padron, Gambas Ajillo, champinones al ajillo, special duck and pork dishes, etc.[/QUOTE]Don't know if it fits what you are looking for but the restaurant tacos and salsa on soi 18 (south of suk) has spectacular Mexican.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2185205]If you fly with an upgrade or business class, they will give you an express pass that will clear you in 5 minutes. The entrance is just past the main entrance for the immigration room. Another perk is that your bags will come up first.

Your going to drop a couple of hundred bucks a day in Bkk so why not get there by flying business at a little higher price?

RL.[/QUOTE]Not exactly "a little" higher.

My last two trips to Thailand has been on EVA business class, in which you get expedited service through customs and the wonderful, lay-flat sleeping seats. (On my previous 5 trips I flew their Elite class, which was quite nice.) But last April, as I approached the immigration stop, there was just one person, and they cleared out just as I reached the stop. So I was able to walk right up, zero wait, and get cleared in a minute. As you say, my checked bag was amongst one of the first to come out. I was probably on my way to Pattaya while the folks in cattle class on my flight were still waiting to be cleared.

BUT, the cost in a killer. I just checked prices for my upcoming return to LOS next November with EVA:

Cattle Class: $ 712.68.

Elite Class: $1,307.68.

Buss Class: $4,926.68.

Business Class seems to have escalated in the last year, making it even harder to justify. Elite class is still a bargain I feel. Business class has certainly spoiled me, but for us mere mortals, the approx $3,600 higher price over Elite class, and $4,200 higher prices than Cattle class, is very very difficult to justify. For a two week trip, that adds up to over $250 per day! That can pay for a lot of Soi 6 and WS agogo girls!

I think I have enough points with EVA / Infinity to get a free upgrade to Business Class for my November trip, so I can put of the decision on whether to continue with Business class off until next year.

But the added cost for Business class is not insignificant. If you can justify it, it is wonderful, but far be it from me to tell you what is "justifiable" for you.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2195885]Can anyone recommend a really superior tapas restaurant in Bangkok? I have been to some super ones in Europe recently so missing the Flavours that really hit you.

I don't want a pretend Tapas place where food seems similar to Thai, Italian, Japanese, etc. Nor one where many dishes have the same pre prepared tomato sauce. Quality special taste is what I want, and low carbs dishes too. E. g. Boquerones, Pimientos Padron, Gambas Ajillo, champinones al ajillo, special duck and pork dishes, etc.[/QUOTE]Authentic Tapas in BKK is a stretch, but you might like Barcelona Gaudi on Soi 23. In my view, it's not an I'd go out of my way to eat there restaurant, but it isn't bad either. I give it 3.7 stars.

You will probably think I don't know what I am talking about Mediterranean-wise if you have never eaten at the following restaurant, but I really like Pala Pizza Romana underneath the BTS Asoke station. I must have passed by this restaurant 500 times before I gave it a try one hungry night, but afterwards I was really surprised how tasty their pizza slices were and I ordered a 3rd slice. Very flavorful! Somebody knows something about Italian spices at this restaurant. I know it is not Tapas, but a couple of small slices of various pizzas and a glass of red Italian wine might satisfy your Mediterranean flavor urge. My favorite slice is the Boscaiola. I give it 4.4 stars, which is amazing given Pala's location and everything. Go! This place is surprisingly good.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2195885]Can anyone recommend a really superior tapas restaurant in Bangkok? I have been to some super ones in Europe recently so missing the Flavours that really hit you.

I don't want a pretend Tapas place where food seems similar to Thai, Italian, Japanese, etc. Nor one where many dishes have the same pre prepared tomato sauce. Quality special taste is what I want, and low carbs dishes too. E. g. Boquerones, Pimientos Padron, Gambas Ajillo, champinones al ajillo, special duck and pork dishes, etc.[/QUOTE]I'm not an expert, but I had tasty tapas at Di Maria Tapas on Sukhumvit 79 Alley back in 2014 (just few steps from BTS On Nut). Their selection was a bit limited, though, if my memory serves me right. I don't know if they are still there.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2195948]Authentic Tapas in BKK is a stretch, but you might like Barcelona Gaudi on Soi 23. In my view, it's not an I'd go out of my way to eat there restaurant, but it isn't bad either. I give it 3.7 stars.

You will probably think I don't know what I am talking about Mediterranean-wise if you have never eaten at the following restaurant, but I really like Pala Pizza Romana underneath the BTS Asoke station. I must have passed by this restaurant 500 times before I gave it a try one hungry night, but afterwards I was really surprised how tasty their pizza slices were and I ordered a 3rd slice. Very flavorful! Somebody knows something about Italian spices at this restaurant. I know it is not Tapas, but a couple of small slices of various pizzas and a glass of red Italian wine might satisfy your Mediterranean flavor urge. My favorite slice is the Boscaiola. I give it 4.4 stars, which is amazing given Pala's location and everything. Go! This place is surprisingly good.[/QUOTE]I have seen it, passing by so might give it a try, Barcelona Gaudi. I am hoping for something special to be really worth making the effort to go to. In Europe recently, a Tapas was the best good priced restaurant I could find in the town. Most others were very ordinary.

I don't really go for Italian at all these days (so boring), so will skip the other one. I have been to maybe one good Italian this year (in Italy).

Its a problem though when I don't like to eat much Carbs. So no pasta, no Pizza, no polenta, no french fries, no risotto, etc.

My previous Bangkok "Tapas" experience was a place between Soi 21 and 19, I think Big Mamas, and it was rather ordinary. Not a repeat thing.

[QUOTE=Kurre;2195951]I'm not an expert, but I had tasty tapas at Di Maria Tapas on Sukhumvit 79 Alley back in 2014 (just few steps from BTS On Nut). Their selection was a bit limited, though, if my memory serves me right. I don't know if they are still there.[/QUOTE]It looks to be Italian, or is this a different place?:

[URL]http://www.cafedimaria.com/?utm_source=tripadvisor&utm_medium=referral[/URL]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2196171]
Its a problem though when I don't like to eat much Carbs. So no pasta, no Pizza, no polenta, no french fries, no risotto, etc.
.[/QUOTE]I have been off processed Carbs like pasta, risotto, cake (ha ha), and bread for about 18 months. The result: I have lost roughly 20 lbs (9 kg) and feel much more fit. I also dropped a size in Polo and T-shirts. It has been mostly a pretty easy change in lifestyle except that I still love real French bread, authentic pizzas, and double fried hand cut potatoes which I now reserve for special occasions. Good carbs, unprocessed carbs like fresh fruit (its mango season in Florida right now and I have 3 trees all laden with ripening fruit), beans, legumes, and sweet potatoes ect are very good for you and tasty. In Thailand its pretty easy for me to stick to a healthy lifestyle (diet) consisting of protein, vegetables, and good carbs with a rare and occasional indulgence because I love Thai food. It is much more difficult to eat healthy in the PI for example. I don't even try.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2196174]It looks to be Italian, or is this a different place?:

[URL]http://www.cafedimaria.com/?utm_source=tripadvisor&utm_medium=referral[/URL][/QUOTE]They had wood oven pizza but used advertise for tapas as well. Check the Google maps Streetview for the address and you can still see the tapas advertised. The Google Streetview might be out of date as the hotel next door has changed its name twice since. I haven't visited that alley for years.

Try the Pullman. It is not bad.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2195885]Can anyone recommend a really superior tapas restaurant in Bangkok? I have been to some super ones in Europe recently so missing the Flavours that really hit you.[/QUOTE].

Thai business class is sweet.

Especially if you land in the morning and they park at the gates begin with D. This then opens up right near the immigration gate 2 (might be b) which has a specific business class immigration channel and you can be out collecting your luggage in 15 minutes and outside the customs in 30 minutes maximum.

I think immigration gate 1 or A doesn't have this facility.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2195940]Not exactly "a little" higher.

My last two trips to Thailand has been on EVA business class, in which you get expedited service through customs and the wonderful, lay-flat sleeping seats. (On my previous 5 trips I flew their Elite class, which was quite nice.) But last April, as I approached the immigration stop, there was just one person, and they cleared out just as I reached the stop. So I was able to walk right up, zero wait, and get cleared in a minute. As you say, my checked bag was amongst one of the first to come out. I was probably on my way to Pattaya while the folks in cattle class on my flight were still waiting to be cleared.

BUT, the cost in a killer. I just checked prices for my upcoming return to LOS next November with EVA:

Cattle Class: $ 712.68.

Elite Class: $1,307.68.

Buss Class: $4,926.68.

Business Class seems to have escalated in the last year, making it even harder to justify. Elite class is still a bargain I feel. Business class has certainly spoiled me, but for us mere mortals, the approx $3,600 higher price over Elite class, and $4,200 higher prices than Cattle class, is very very difficult to justify. For a two week trip, that adds up to over $250 per day! That can pay for a lot of Soi 6 and WS agogo girls!

I think I have enough points with EVA / Infinity to get a free upgrade to Business Class for my November trip, so I can put of the decision on whether to continue with Business class off until next year.

But the added cost for Business class is not insignificant. If you can justify it, it is wonderful, but far be it from me to tell you what is "justifiable" for you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Supmam;2196448]Thai business class is sweet.

Especially if you land in the morning and they park at the gates begin with D. This then opens up right near the immigration gate 2 (might be b) which has a specific business class immigration channel and you can be out collecting your luggage in 15 minutes and outside the customs in 30 minutes maximum.[/QUOTE]I come in from Manila on a cheap $60 Cebu Pacific flight and same thing. They park at D and I am always through immigration quickly. No business class required.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2195885]Can anyone recommend a really superior tapas restaurant in Bangkok? I have been to some super ones in Europe recently so missing the Flavours that really hit you.

I don't want a pretend Tapas place where food seems similar to Thai, Italian, Japanese, etc. Nor one where many dishes have the same pre prepared tomato sauce. Quality special taste is what I want, and low carbs dishes too. E. g. Boquerones, Pimientos Padron, Gambas Ajillo, champinones al ajillo, special duck and pork dishes, etc.[/QUOTE]Try Toro in courtyard 72 thong lo. Was pretty good. But not cheap given the trendy location.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2196479]Try Toro in courtyard 72 thong lo. Was pretty good. But not cheap given the trendy location.[/QUOTE]Thanks the hot Tapas menu looks reasonably good, however I do see the prices are somewhat steeper than European Tapas restaurants I attended. I was using one Tapas restaurant where prices were about 60% of that. So you are right about not cheap.

Still might give it a try on special occasion.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2196447]Try the Pullman. It is not bad.

.[/QUOTE]Has a few Tapas dishes, unfortunately a few with bread, where I normally don't like to eat bread nor potatoes, however maybe a few dishes left to try.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2196180]I have been off processed Carbs like pasta, risotto, cake (ha ha), and bread for about 18 months. The result: I have lost roughly 20 lbs (9 kg) and feel much more fit. I also dropped a size in Polo and T-shirts. It has been mostly a pretty easy change in lifestyle except that I still love real French bread, authentic pizzas, and double fried hand cut potatoes which I now reserve for special occasions. Good carbs, unprocessed carbs like fresh fruit (its mango season in Florida right now and I have 3 trees all laden with ripening fruit), beans, legumes, and sweet potatoes ect are very good for you and tasty. In Thailand its pretty easy for me to stick to a healthy lifestyle (diet) consisting of protein, vegetables, and good carbs with a rare and occasional indulgence because I love Thai food. It is much more difficult to eat healthy in the PI for example. I don't even try.[/QUOTE]I recently attended a ceremony and catered meal in Bangkok. Was "chinese" food (from Kittisak catering) , however most dishes were junky stuff, like dumplings, deep fried battered or crumbed almost tasteless stuff like fish balls etc. A lot of sugary sauces. The most healthy dishes were pork leg with veg (both steamed veg and some pickled veg), and a steamed fish with carrots and french green beans. It was these two better dishes that most Thais at the table ignored. They preferred to eat the junk stuff that I avoided. LOL.

In general Thais eat very different to health food, especially in the modern day, which is why we see so many fat young girls where 25 years ago most bar girls were slim.

Despite this it is still much easier to eat good healthy food in Thailand than in Europe, unless you cook your own. Veggies are available in Thailand. Dishes without sugar can be found (not easy). Just that young people avoid veggies these days.

Having a nice Chicken, eggplant variety and sweet basil curry. It looks like green curry but I don't like green curry so vary the ingredients to suit myself. It is good when we know exactly what farm fresh organic ingredients go into the curry, but can't guarantee the chicken was fed only natural stuff. In modern day a lot of high hormone chickens are available. Country raised chickens can taste a lot different.

[QUOTE=Dante702;2143612]Looking for bareback all the way. Tired of covers in my other travels. I don't mind doing extra work and paying a little more.![/QUOTE]If you don't mind extra work, you've got it made. All you have to do is get a girl to like you.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2197617]Despite this it is still much easier to eat good healthy food in Thailand than in Europe, unless you cook your own. Veggies are available in Thailand. Dishes without sugar can be found (not easy). Just that young people avoid veggies these days.[/QUOTE]I always get my vegetables steamed instead of them putting all that oyster sauce shit on it. Some places have refused to prepare it steamed, but at my regular joints all I have to do is walk in and they know what to start cooking. I love that shit.

You sound like some of the women I know. They can never go to a restaurant without sending something back or making a special order modification of a menu or off menu item. Caesar, dressing on the side, no anchovies, shaved cheese not grated and so on. High end restaurants are used to it. Make your special request, no bread, no carbs.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2197611]Has a few Tapas dishes, unfortunately a few with bread, where I normally don't like to eat bread nor potatoes, however maybe a few dishes left to try.[/QUOTE]

Haven't been to Thailand in about 8 years, planning a gentleman's vacation for later this year. Doing my due diligence research on the forum and kind of got the impression the scene may be drying up a bit, at least in BKK. Sounds like Annies is closed and finding good places is more difficult for the visitor.

Last time I was there it was like shooting fish in a barrel. Nana and Annies were my goto, and it was hard to walk in certain areas without have massage girls call out to you.

Are things still hopping there or should I consider another venue? I hear Frankfurt is pretty active.

[QUOTE=Kiyakubuke;2198056]Haven't been to Thailand in about 8 years, planning a gentleman's vacation for later this year. Doing my due diligence research on the forum and kind of got the impression the scene may be drying up a bit, at least in BKK. Sounds like Annies is closed and finding good places is more difficult for the visitor.

Last time I was there it was like shooting fish in a barrel. Nana and Annies were my goto, and it was hard to walk in certain areas without have massage girls call out to you.

Are things still hopping there or should I consider another venue? I hear Frankfurt is pretty active.[/QUOTE]Bangkok is still hoping, Annie's only had the used dried up variety anyway, nothing to miss. As to Frankfurt I'm sorry but you've heard wrong on that, big decline in service with an increase in what the girls want to charge you. Still good for a stop over but not worth an extended vacation.

Hi guys,

I plan to take few days off from where I am working and stay in Bangkok for about a week or two and work from here and also have fun during off hours. I usually stay 4 or 5 star hotels but I just find the wifi connection really unreliable.

If I can get access to high speed internet connection for which I can use to download or upload about 50-60 gb per day, it would be fantastic. I mean, I would be in paradise. Is it possible to buy an usb internet connection which can meet my requirement? The normal 4 g is limited to 4-8 gb and I can finish it in 2 hours.

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Zam007;2198095]Hi guys,

I plan to take few days off from where I am working and stay in Bangkok for about a week or two and work from here and also have fun during off hours. I usually stay 4 or 5 star hotels but I just find the wifi connection really unreliable.

If I can get access to high speed internet connection for which I can use to download or upload about 50-60 gb per day, it would be fantastic. I mean, I would be in paradise. Is it possible to buy an usb internet connection which can meet my requirement? The normal 4 g is limited to 4-8 gb and I can finish it in 2 hours.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Better hotel does not equate to faster Internet connection, but usually more stable. The fastest I have found is AIS Super WiFi that is easily available everywhere but it also depends on the hot spot location. I spent a couple of days going to different places to test. The problem for me is that oversea connection is too slow to download large file via company VPN.

I am sure others will disagree with me, but at the macro level nothing tops Bangkok for mongering. The quantity, variety of options, access, and cost are better than anywhere else. On each individual merit there are probably places that would take the top spot, but all considered I can't think of anyplace else that even comes close. Considering that bangkokg and pattaya are less than 2 hours from each other; this twin city combination is really unmatched anywhere else. You have streetwalkers, p4 p massage (low to high), BJ bars, app "dating", escorts, beer bars, gogo bars, pickup bars (thermae), pickup apps (wechat, ect), regular massage places where you never know what might happen, and then even more local places that tourists don't typically even touch on like sideline girls and other local venues that fall somewhere in between. This is not to say that other places aren't great, I love the philipinnes too, macao is terrific, and Japan has an interesting scene too. If you like one specific thing then go wherever that is best. But for variety nothing tops thailand for options. Add a robust public transport system (full disclosure I am from the US so ANY public transport seems like an accomplishment), great variety and quality of food, interesting cultural attractions, the most diverse and affordable hotel options ($30 USD to $400 USD a night and everything in between, and relatively easy access from airport connections world wide I don't see anything that comes close to competing. Now it certainly was better in the past and the value has certainly declined, but that seems to be just about everywhere. Macao 5 years ago when I first went was around 10-20% cheaper, girls better performers, and more selection. My favorite location in PI just went up last year from 3000 peso LT to 4000, that's a 33% price increase! Sure I would love it for P4 P to go another direction, I would also love for american girl's to start clocking in under 70+kg, but wishing isn't going to make is so. I didn't fall for LOS on my first trip and even didn't plan a long 2nd trip, but after that second trip I knew I would be back for years. Anyway maybe it's just my yellow fever acting up.

[QUOTE=Kiyakubuke;2198056]Haven't been to Thailand in about 8 years, planning a gentleman's vacation for later this year. Doing my due diligence research on the forum and kind of got the impression the scene may be drying up a bit, at least in BKK. Sounds like Annies is closed and finding good places is more difficult for the visitor.

Last time I was there it was like shooting fish in a barrel. Nana and Annies were my goto, and it was hard to walk in certain areas without have massage girls call out to you.

Are things still hopping there or should I consider another venue? I hear Frankfurt is pretty active.[/QUOTE]

Use hotel wired connection not wifi. Or a business center or Internet shop. Ask to wire connect. There are sometimes limits on wired connection so Internet shop won't like that.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2198095] I can use to download or upload about 50-60 gb per day, it would be fantastic. I mean, I would be in paradise. Is it possible to buy an usb internet connection which can meet my requirement? The normal 4 g is limited to 4-8 gb and I can finish it in 2 hours[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2198106]Better hotel does not equate to faster Internet connection, but usually more stable. The fastest I have found is AIS Super WiFi that is easily available everywhere but it also depends on the hot spot location. I spent a couple of days going to different places to test. The problem for me is that oversea connection is too slow to download large file via company VPN.[/QUOTE]How about airbnb?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2198106]Better hotel does not equate to faster Internet connection, but usually more stable. The fastest I have found is AIS Super WiFi that is easily available everywhere but it also depends on the hot spot location. I spent a couple of days going to different places to test. The problem for me is that oversea connection is too slow to download large file via company VPN.[/QUOTE]I have similar problem. FTP via VPN to my PC was very slow. 12 M (not that big at all) took several minutes (at a Hotel Internet), should be several seconds. I suggest try to download to a company local site, and then only access parts of the file via VPN window to it. Alternatively look at file summarisation, since you cannot really look at all parts of a large file (assuming not video). Also compress (Terse) data first.

I have not totally mastered these problems yet. Still working on it, from remote Thailand location, "Baan Nork". Not Hotel now.

At least have a pretty good Internet Connection. CAT company supplies best internet in Thailand for home use (from my experience in Bangkok and elsewhere). I have not tried AIS Super Wifi. I have tried True and 3 BB (in past years ago) and both were shitty, with my phone 4 G (AIS) working better than those.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2198198]How about airbnb?[/QUOTE]I don't know. I think it really depends on where the content is or whether it is delivered by content delivery network, and not how fast the connection is.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2198208]I suggest try to download to a company local site, and then only access parts of the file via VPN window to it.[/QUOTE]I do that in countries that we have servers. I now just use remote access for short term solution.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2198253]I don't know. I think it really depends on where the content is or whether it is delivered by content delivery network, and not how fast the connection is.[/QUOTE]I will try to communicate with some airbnb owners in Bangkok. But I am afraid to approach them as I tried to do with some airbnb hosts when I was visiting India, they got all freaked out and suspicious, then a girl finally took me in but she had just 500 gb limit and I used up 350 gb in two days and she started moaning.

It is a bit hard to explain why I use this much data partly because of the confidentiality agreement I have with my clients.

If I get access to high speed unlimited internet and Bangkok, I am in heaven as I can continue to make money during the day and fuck during night!

I am surprised you got that much through or need that much. You can test out a hotel's connection by connecting directly in at a business center. If it suits your needs, you can check into that hotel for a couple days. Then move around to the other hotels that worked. There are hotels who claim to cater to high tech road warriors.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2198844]I will try to communicate with some airbnb owners in Bangkok. But I am afraid to approach them as I tried to do with some airbnb hosts when I was visiting India, they got all freaked out and suspicious, then a girl finally took me in but she had just 500 gb limit and I used up 350 gb in two days and she started moaning.

It is a bit hard to explain why I use this much data partly because of the confidentiality agreement I have with my clients.

If I get access to high speed unlimited internet and Bangkok, I am in heaven as I can continue to make money during the day and fuck during night!.[/QUOTE]

My Daling.

I love you and I miss you too much. My friend in bar say you old man look same same monkey but I know you very hansum man. I have many problem I write you before that buffalo me sick. Now it die Fall down and dead in middle rice field. Bad fortune when it fall it fall on papa and break he leg in many place. Now he not work. Brother me make stretcher bamboo he take from roof house. Roof come down and rain in house. He take papa to hospital motorcycle. Have big accident when he come home hit police car. Police say brother me blame. Police say he mudt pay big money. Not worry darling motorcycle you buy OK but Police car bad broken. Bad luck make Mama heart problem. Doctor say she must triple by-pass. I no understand but brother say you understand.

You know darling I only work in bar as cashier and not go with man I wait for you come back Bangkok but if you no help me I think I hab to go with man for pay bills.

Old people my village say you responsible. If you send money me before buy medicine sick buffalo then it no die, papa no break leg, house have roof, brother no ride into police car, Mama no have heart problem.

Please send me 200,000 baht for my bank. Papa fix 10,000 new roof 30,000, new police car 100,000, mama fix 50,000. I take off 2,000 baht for sell buffalo meat but me have to pay more hospital bill for 24 people have problem eat contaminated meat 12,000 baht. I not know money England but brother me say me it 71.2424 mid-market rate close of trading yesterday. This means you send me 10,000 your pound.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2199641]My Daling.

I love you and I miss you too much. My friend in bar say you old man look same same monkey but I know you very hansum man. I have many problem I write you before that buffalo me sick. Now it die Fall down and dead in middle rice field. Bad fortune when it fall it fall on papa and break he leg in many place. Now he not work. Brother me make stretcher bamboo he take from roof house. Roof come down and rain in house. He take papa to hospital motorcycle. Have big accident when he come home hit police car. Police say brother me blame. Police say he mudt pay big money. Not worry darling motorcycle you buy OK but Police car bad broken. Bad luck make Mama heart problem. Doctor say she must triple by-pass. I no understand but brother say you understand.

You know darling I only work in bar as cashier and not go with man I wait for you come back Bangkok but if you no help me I think I hab to go with man for pay bills.

Old people my village say you responsible. If you send money me before buy medicine sick buffalo then it no die, papa no break leg, house have roof, brother no ride into police car, Mama no have heart problem.

Please send me 200,000 baht for my bank. Papa fix 10,000 new roof 30,000, new police car 100,000, mama fix 50,000. I take off 2,000 baht for sell buffalo meat but me have to pay more hospital bill for 24 people have problem eat contaminated meat 12,000 baht. I not know money England but brother me say me it 71.2424 mid-market rate close of trading yesterday. This means you send me 10,000 your pound.[/QUOTE]ROTFPML. And all you did was wave as you walked past the bar LOL.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2198844]I will try to communicate with some airbnb owners in Bangkok. But I am afraid to approach them as I tried to do with some airbnb hosts when I was visiting India, they got all freaked out and suspicious, then a girl finally took me in but she had just 500 gb limit and I used up 350 gb in two days and she started moaning.

It is a bit hard to explain why I use this much data partly because of the confidentiality agreement I have with my clients.

If I get access to high speed unlimited internet and Bangkok, I am in heaven as I can continue to make money during the day and fuck during night![/QUOTE]Everyone is entitled to a holiday. Give yourself a break for a few days and fuck both day and night.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2199641]My Daling.

I love you and I miss you too much. My friend in bar say you old man look same same monkey but I know you very hansum man. I have many problem I write you before that buffalo me sick. Now it die Fall down and dead in middle rice field. Bad fortune when it fall it fall on papa and break he leg in many place. Now he not work. Brother me make stretcher bamboo he take from roof house. Roof come down and rain in house. He take papa to hospital motorcycle. Have big accident when he come home hit police car. Police say brother me blame. Police say he mudt pay big money. Not worry darling motorcycle you buy OK but Police car bad broken. Bad luck make Mama heart problem. Doctor say she must triple by-pass. I no understand but brother say you understand.

You know darling I only work in bar as cashier and not go with man I wait for you come back Bangkok but if you no help me I think I hab to go with man for pay bills.

Old people my village say you responsible. If you send money me before buy medicine sick buffalo then it no die, papa no break leg, house have roof, brother no ride into police car, Mama no have heart problem.

Please send me 200,000 baht for my bank. Papa fix 10,000 new roof 30,000, new police car 100,000, mama fix 50,000. I take off 2,000 baht for sell buffalo meat but me have to pay more hospital bill for 24 people have problem eat contaminated meat 12,000 baht. I not know money England but brother me say me it 71.2424 mid-market rate close of trading yesterday. This means you send me 10,000 your pound.[/QUOTE]Buddy of mine got a message from his girl that she had problems with her vagina after having sex with him, sent him a photo of her in the hospital (no face showing of coarse). Closer look of the photo showed a left foot missing a toe. Comparing photo's of his girls foot that he took he knew the foot in question wasn't his girls. Another buddy got a message that her son was in the hospital and hooked to a dialysis machine. On closer examination of the machine in the photo it was found to be a rice cooker.

And she thought she was hooked up to an ATM machine! You will be surprised at the the scams out there. Last month, a friend went to India and noticed that the bottled water he bought had caps with the plastic tabs broken. He also had to do the throw the change on the floor to get away from a group of kids that surrounded him.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2199776]Another buddy got a message that her son was in the hospital and hooked to a dialysis machine.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2199641]
Please send me 200,000 baht for my bank. Papa fix 10,000 new roof 30,000, new police car 100,000, mama fix 50,000. I take off 2,000 baht for sell buffalo meat but me have to pay more hospital bill for 24 people have problem eat contaminated meat 12,000 baht. I not know money England but brother me say me it 71.2424 mid-market rate close of trading yesterday. This means you send me 10,000 your pound.[/QUOTE]Surprisingly very few girls tell the true story (but some do) about supporting mother's gambling debts, brother's drug habits, or pimp's drug habits, or bribe needed to get daugther off a police charge, etc.

One Thai girl I know for many years, not a GF or sex partner, has a brain tumour. This is probably actually true. It is not at all clear to me how serious her condition is, one has to assume it may be bad. She can't afford an operation to remove it, and maybe does not want to risk it. Real shit happens.

Locals in the village seem to die regularly from motorcycle accidents, lung or liver cancers, etc.
Cost me quite a bit for GF's father medical treatment. She had to nurse him almost full time for quite a long time. Brain disease. He died eventually anyway, then Thai funeral's can be costly too.

Dependents always end up expensive. If a guy can have no dependents, P4P could be a lot cheaper. What are the benefits of a wife? Ha Ha.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2198074]...As to Frankfurt I'm sorry but you've heard wrong on that, big decline in service with an increase in what the girls want to charge you. Still good for a stop over but not worth an extended vacation.[/QUOTE]I respectfully disagree! I have been going to Germany for the FKKs since 2006 and I have taken close to 20 trips there. I was just there last week and the scene has not changed much. Still a great place to sample Caucasian chicks, mostly Eastern Europeans.

I live in the US and stopped visiting Caucasian chicks back in 2008, after I met a Korean provider that year. After that, I only did Asians when in the US, preferably Koreans. I go to Europe once a year to visit family, a perfect time to try Eastern European chicks. I have been pretty content with the eye candy there and with the service as well.

One has to keep in mind that when I first mongered there in 2006, the cost of a session was 50 Euros for 30 min. Guess what? It still is 50 Euros, but personally, I have been paying more than that for a while now. So, it is normal that if one does not want to pay more than 50 Euros, they will get a quickie and no more. No GFE, no DATY, no Kissing, etc. Basically you get what you pay for, as it should always be.

BTW, I also visited Club Globe in Zurich on this trip, for the first time. I paid 95 CHF (Swiss Francs) to enter the club and paid 145 CHF per 30-min session. There, you definitely find plenty of eye candy (my favorites), you get GFE service, but you pay dearly for it. The girls were mostly Romanians, but you get the best of the bunch. Those girls who cannot make it at Globe end up going back to the German FKKs.

Honestly, I am not sure yet if I like Globe better than the German FKKs though. I have no problem finding my type of eye candy in the German FKKs, and I like Germany better than Switzerland, where everything is so expensive. As an example, my hotel in Frankfurt cost me about $70/ night. In Oerlikon (a suburb of Zurich), I paid $200/ night for pretty much the same quality hotel. Even public transportation was more expensive in that place.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2201743]I respectfully disagree! I have been going to Germany for the FKKs since 2006 and I have taken close to 20 trips there. I was just there last week and the scene has not changed much. Still a great place to sample Caucasian chicks, mostly Eastern Europeans.....One has to keep in mind that when I first mongered there in 2006, the cost of a session was 50 Euros for 30 min. Guess what? It still is 50 Euros, but personally, I have been paying more than that for a while now. So, it is normal that if one does not want to pay more than 50 Euros, they will get a quickie and no more. No GFE, no DATY, no Kissing, etc. Basically you get what you pay for, as it should always be.
[/QUOTE]I'm not arguing about 50 euro quickies, I'm fine with paying 100 euro's for an hour. What I don't like is having to negotiate extra for BBBJ on top of that. The new German law also enforces the girls having to register as prostitutes which puts a damper on new talent wanting to spread their legs. The talent pool was already too thin to begin with, the new law is killing many of the clubs. But as I stated before, Sharks and Oase are still worth a visit since the owners have told the girls to keep on giving BBBJ's or risk getting banned from the club. Two clubs does not make a great vacation destination. A stopover on the way to Asia in my opinion is the only way to visit Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2201751]I'm not arguing about 50 euro quickies, I'm fine with paying 100 euro's for an hour. What I don't like is having to negotiate extra for BBBJ on top of that. The new German law also enforces the girls having to register as prostitutes which puts a damper on new talent wanting to spread their legs. The talent pool was already too thin to begin with, the new law is killing many of the clubs. But as I stated before, Sharks and Oase are still worth a visit since the owners have told the girls to keep on giving BBBJ's or risk getting banned from the club. Two clubs does not make a great vacation destination. A stopover on the way to Asia in my opinion is the only way to visit Frankfurt.[/QUOTE]When I was there a week ago, I visited Oase, Sharks and Mainhattan. BBBJ every time, no question asked, but I always offer them 100 Euros and tell them exactly what services I want. The talent pool was indeed thin, but I heard that was due to the world cup in Russia. Apparently, many girls went to earn some money there.

Hi all.

Is there anywhere at the International Airport that you buy a local SIM card.

Thanks.

Rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2202874]
Is there anywhere at the International Airport that you buy a local SIM card.
[/QUOTE]I am guessing you mean Suvarnabhumi airport? Yes, just after you walk out of the immigration and baggage claim area there are several stalls where you can pick up a SIM card.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2202883]I am guessing you mean Suvarnabhumi airport? Yes, just after you walk out of the immigration and baggage claim area there are several stalls where you can pick up a SIM card.[/QUOTE]Thanks be. Be.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2202883]I am guessing you mean Suvarnabhumi airport? Yes, just after you walk out of the immigration and baggage claim area there are several stalls where you can pick up a SIM card.[/QUOTE]BB is correct. The three major companies have kiosks next to each other there. I always see them after exiting customs and looking to my left. I'm not sure if they have the same promotions you can get in Bangkok city or in Pattaya.

I always use AIS 1-2 Call Sims. Good, English speaking customer service. Stores in every mall. Do most of you use AIS or does True or DTAC provide advantages I don't know about? I believe AIS charges 3 baht per minute for calls to the USA. I don't know what they charge to call Australia.

Hey, I wasn't sure where to write this, but it seemed this question belonged in the general section. About to try something that is risky, but I was just given the opportunity to work 100% remote where as long as I have internet connection, I do not have to go into an actual office in the USA, namely the Phoenix office which is city I live in. Here's the issue though: I really do not want them to know I'm out of the country. I realize that in Thailand, I will need to find a hotel / condo that has great internet, as that is key, but not sure who has consistently GREAT internet (hopefully wired, as I'm thinking its more secure), so that will take some research, but also, I have to have a situation where if my manager wants to call me on my business line, he can call me and I can pick up the phone as if I'm still in the states. There can't be some situation of a company phone bill saying there was some long distance charge to thailand. Nobody at the office contacts anybody on whatsapp, so that's out and is suspicious. Should be a regular phone number someone is dialing and I need to be able to call into business meetings without incurring myself a $500 dollar phone bill.

Anybody have tips on how its possible to do something like this? If not possible and too much headache, I won't do it, but I'm really thinking something can be done. I'm willing to purchase what I have to in order to do this. I love Thailand!

Will be travelling with:

* Company laptop and company phone &.

* Personal laptop and personal phone.

Thanks for your help. Either issue you can speak on (phone or internet), will be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=TheWindexMan;2203029]but also, I have to have a situation where if my manager wants to call me on my business line, he can call me and I can pick up the phone as if I'm still in the states. There can't be some situation of a company phone bill saying there was some long distance charge to thailand.[/QUOTE]It will be easy if your company uses Cisco phone system. You can use your PC or app on your phone to receive / make land line calls. You can also forward phone call to your smart phone with Wifi calling or other VOIP phone numbers, google it and you should find some explanation.

[QUOTE=Allover;2202981]BB is correct. The three major companies have kiosks next to each other there. I always see them after exiting customs and looking to my left. I'm not sure if they have the same promotions you can get in Bangkok city or in Pattaya.

I always use AIS 1-2 Call Sims. Good, English speaking customer service. Stores in every mall. Do most of you use AIS or does True or DTAC provide advantages I don't know about? I believe AIS charges 3 baht per minute for calls to the USA. I don't know what they charge to call Australia.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Not that worried about calling cost as the wife will know I'm in Thailand and we will use WhatsApp for our calls. It's the data I'm after because last visit I wasn't meant to be out of Australia and I racked up an extra $200 on my phone bill in 5 days.

[QUOTE=TheWindexMan;2203029]Hey, I wasn't sure where to write this, but it seemed this question belonged in the general section. About to try something that is risky, but I was just given the opportunity to work 100% remote where as long as I have internet connection, I do not have to go into an actual office in the USA, namely the Phoenix office which is city I live in. Here's the issue though: I really do not want them to know I'm out of the country. I realize that in Thailand, I will need to find a hotel / condo that has great internet, as that is key, but not sure who has consistently GREAT internet (hopefully wired, as I'm thinking its more secure), so that will take some research, but also, I have to have a situation where if my manager wants to call me on my business line, he can call me and I can pick up the phone as if I'm still in the states. There can't be some situation of a company phone bill saying there was some long distance charge to thailand. Nobody at the office contacts anybody on whatsapp, so that's out and is suspicious. Should be a regular phone number someone is dialing and I need to be able to call into business meetings without incurring myself a $500 dollar phone bill.

Anybody have tips on how its possible to do something like this? If not possible and too much headache, I won't do it, but I'm really thinking something can be done. I'm willing to purchase what I have to in order to do this. I love Thailand!

Will be travelling with:

* Company laptop and company phone &.

* Personal laptop and personal phone.

Thanks for your help. Either issue you can speak on (phone or internet), will be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I'm not much help with phones etc but have you considered the 14 hour time difference? I only have a 3 to 4 hour time difference from my home which is hard to juggle sometimes when I'm here and my thinks I'm only 300 kilometres up the road!

[QUOTE=Allover;2202981]BB is correct. The three major companies have kiosks next to each other there. I always see them after exiting customs and looking to my left. I'm not sure if they have the same promotions you can get in Bangkok city or in Pattaya.

I always use AIS 1-2 Call Sims. Good, English speaking customer service. Stores in every mall. Do most of you use AIS or does True or DTAC provide advantages I don't know about? I believe AIS charges 3 baht per minute for calls to the USA. I don't know what they charge to call Australia.[/QUOTE]I will be staying for 6 months plus. Is it possible to get a one week SIM at the airport and later upgrade it at a store. I see they have some 6 month unlimited data plans cheap.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2203076]I will be staying for 6 months plus. Is it possible to get a one week SIM at the airport and later upgrade it at a store. I see they have some 6 month unlimited data plans cheap.[/QUOTE]The SIM is all the same. You just add money to your phone and put whatever code in for the plan you want. Or show them the plan you want and they will do it for you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2203079]The SIM is all the same. You just add money to your phone and put whatever code in for the plan you want. Or show them the plan you want and they will do it for you.[/QUOTE]Cool. So just pick my company, buy the SIM and get the plan I want at the airport, or just get a week and deal with it later. In the past I have always used tourist some but I'm going to be there longer than 90 days.

I have used AIS for some 10 plus years. If the data or SIM expire before my next trip, the costs are very small. The shops /7-11 will usually have what I need and some information. I am not getting the best deal or value but it is quick and a lot cheaper than roaming data. Sometimes a roaming carrier will offer a local access number free or at a discounted rate.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2202874]Is there anywhere at the International Airport that you buy a local SIM card.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Allover;2202981]BB is correct. The three major companies have kiosks next to each other there. I always see them after exiting customs and looking to my left. I'm not sure if they have the same promotions you can get in Bangkok city or in Pattaya.

I always use AIS 1-2 Call Sims. Good, English speaking customer service. Stores in every mall.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2203076]Is it possible to get a one week SIM at the airport and later upgrade it at a store. I see they have some 6 month unlimited data plans cheap.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;2203079]The SIM is all the same. You just add money to your phone and put whatever code in for the plan you want. Or show them the plan you want and they will do it for you.[/QUOTE]

You have a long list but this is probably not the place to discuss. Google is your friend. First of all, what is the worst case scenario if they find out and are you willing to lose your job or risk it?

Second. They will find out with the company phone and laptop.

Third. What you are looking at is a virtual office. How tech savvy are you? You will most likely slip at some point and they will find out.

Fourth. If you just want to make it easier for them to contact you and for you to work, then Skype in and others gives you a local number to forward your calls. Echo and bad connections are a problem and reestablishing the calls do not always solve the problem. Actually WhatsApp calls are pretty good and stable. Look at TMobile.

For Internet connection into your home look at VPN boxes. You should have a fast up and down bandwidth. Even then, it could be slow depending on your Internet requirements. The only way to test is to do a test period at the actual locations.

You can do it fairly cheaply. But companies spend a lot of money to do it and have 100% up time and stability.

Calls into the US are cheap or free. Should not be over US $0. 20 per minute.

[QUOTE=TheWindexMan;2203029]Hey, I wasn't sure where to write this, but it seemed this question belonged in the general section. About to try something that is risky, but I was just given the opportunity to work 100% remote where as long as I have internet connection, I do not have to go into an actual office in the USA, namely the Phoenix office which is city I live in. Here's the issue though: I really do not want them to know I'm out of the country. I realize that in Thailand, I will need to find a hotel / condo that has great internet, as that is key, but not sure who has consistently GREAT internet (hopefully wired, as I'm thinking its more secure), so that will take some research, but also, I have to have a situation where if my manager wants to call me on my business line, he can call me and I can pick up the phone as if I'm still in the states. There can't be some situation of a company phone bill saying there was some long distance charge to thailand..[/QUOTE]

Not the same for you, but I am from usa and use tmobile. They do not charge anything extra for me using Internet here. The only extra charge is for phone and that is 20 cents a minute.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2203047]Thanks. Not that worried about calling cost as the wife will know I'm in Thailand and we will use WhatsApp for our calls. It's the data I'm after because last visit I wasn't meant to be out of Australia and I racked up an extra $200 on my phone bill in 5 days.[/QUOTE]