Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Kumbu]...Ben Hur...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lifeingr]My review of some Soi Cowboy Bars[/QUOTE]

Some great reports here recently, and from people I'd never seen posts from before (that I can remember at least).

[QUOTE=Ralph Kramden]Al

And it bears repeating from time to time because the greatest pitfall of doing street walkers and freelance bar girls is they are completely unregulated. [/QUOTE]

Unregulated in what way? How is the unregulation different for those working in gogos and other establishments?

[QUOTE=D Cups]Have any of the recent posters seen any exceedingly large busted (D Cup)Thai beauties in their travels? If so, do tell...I am going to Bangkok and Pattya in March and can't wait to get my hands on those mams ...and get some bang on my kok! Thank you, fellow mongers![/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Stiffoak 571]Be careful! big boobed Thai girls might have something extra for you - very few come naturally at that size and not all of them are girls![/QUOTE]


It's out there guys, you just need to look. Just about a 'D' I reckon. All natural, all girl. Sukhumvit freelancer.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Unregulated in what way? How is the unregulation different for those working in gogos and other establishments?[/QUOTE]I suspect that the chances of picking up an STD in those establishments are slightly less than from a street-walker. Clubs and MPs have an interest in maintaining their reputations, and as you know some enforce regular testing and display certificates. Knowledge of a girl with an STD working at a well-known MP would be the kiss of death for such an establishment.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]I suspect that the chances of picking up an STD in those establishments are slightly less than from a street-walker. Clubs and MPs have an interest in maintaining their reputations, and as you know some enforce regular testing and display certificates. Knowledge of a girl with an STD working at a well-known MP would be the kiss of death for such an establishment.[/QUOTE]
Its worth pointing out that at a good quality Soapy MP, firstly there is no danger of lady boys, they may have their own doctor to do health checks of the girls so that they can't be faked, and you can ask the cheer person (papsan/mamasan) which girls have really large naturals.

I'm sure Aey at Annies could recommend some girls with large tits, for example.

I prefer slim girls, so obviously I don't get D cups with them. Number B19 at Emmanuelle has magnificent tits on a slim girl though, but has been frequently absent.

But if I happened to meet a really stunning street walker with good attitudes, I might consider her.

Decided to look at Rainbow 4 once more, to see what all the fuss was about and why some guys prefer Nana Plaza.

Rainbow 4 has some girls totally nude now, but very few by 9.30 PM when I left. A very large selection of girls but only about 3 were very pretty to my taste (this is normal - I'm fussy and have my own spec). So if I went to Baccarra in Cowboy I might say only 3 were very pretty to my taste also.

At R4 a few oldish girls, a few had smoking bodies but ordinary faces, only a few were both pretty and had the body too. What about the rest? Most girls looked like children to me. i.e. looked very young and immature with average bodies. They try to distract you from the ordinary faces with big hair-dos often covering a lot of the face. A lot of weird wigs or excessive hair extensions. I didn't fine check.

The music? Some songs dancable in a sexy way, but a lot of hip hop and stuff too fast suitable more for disco dancing. Consequently the girls don't move much. Didn't spot a single "good" dancer. I would fire the DJ.

I think that R4 is catering for a younger clientelle and perhaps mainly for Japanese customers. Old guys like me are just not so impressed. I don't go for girls that look 16.

I would rather be back in Cowboy at Shark, Midnight, Baccara, etc. But I'll try Nana again soon, perhaps some other popular bars.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]I had a long, long day on Sunday. I had the encounter with the drunk leggy girl on Sat night at Spicy, and I had to work all day Sunday, starting at 9am. So I was in a deathly state all day. I got back to the hotel, napped for a few hours, grabbed some dinner at that 24 hour place near the corner of Soi 11 and Sukhumvit, and sauntered over to Climax. By now it was late, something like 1am. [/QUOTE]I was also at Climax on Sunday night.

Got there around 2:30AM and left at close (4:30AM)

There were indeed some cute girls there. Would be a great place to pickup girls if the music wasn't quite so loud so you could talk to them.

I didn't take a girl out because I was exhausted from the night before, but I will probably go back.

Been chatting with a slightly older Thai lady (37-38) via email for a few weeks now. The pics she has sent represent a traditional Thai lady from KK. Single, no kids but looks after a friends kid on a permanent basis (swears it not hers etc).

Anyways shes told me she understands that guys butterfly but she says she has no problem when we meet if I go for standard non soapy massage, but says can she come too. Says she has no problem if girl starts a HJ as she will also help.

Girl sends me interesting sms and emails and I can tell shes not a sex worker, but I'm interested to know where she and I might be welcome to have our fun in massage places.

I have one place I go to regularly and that maybe possible, but can anyone recommend any other places. She doesn't want any lesbo action.

Shes also told m shes ok to try some public place fun so we will see how that pans out too.

Of course she doesn't know about the two other chatmates I intend to meet before I " officially " arrive in BKK LOL.

found a sw, very young.　skilled　use of fingers on my balls and ass, bbj swallowed　and a sweet smile to boot. anyone better at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] ?

also, anyone kow of hotels or venues with big mirrors to watch ?

[QUOTE=Mouse1]I suspect that the chances of picking up an STD in those establishments are slightly less than from a street-walker. Clubs and MPs have an interest in maintaining their reputations, and as you know some enforce regular testing and display certificates. Knowledge of a girl with an STD working at a well-known MP would be the kiss of death for such an establishment.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I know the MPs are a bit more on top of this. What about the gogos?

[QUOTE=M P Lurker].. I'm Aey at Annies ... [/QUOTE]Really?!! Now THAT is a surprise!

[QUOTE=Evianist]I was also at Climax on Sunday night...Would be a great place to pickup girls if the music wasn't quite so loud so you could talk to them.
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I totally agree - it's hard to talk to them. However:

1. That's not necessarily a bad thing. You can focus your attention on other kinds of communication, which allows you to look at her in ways that normally would be considered rude.
2. In the scheme of things, I think Climax has the best music around. CM2 has a crappy band, Spasso has a double-crappy band, and Spicy/Bossy/QBar do a DJ thing (which is basically all the same to me). I think the band at Climax is composed of genuinely talented musicians. So I kind of enjoy the music, overly loud as it may be.

But your point is well taken - you really can't say a word to anyone there without ripping your lungs out.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Yes, I know the MPs are a bit more on top of this. What about the gogos?[/QUOTE]

Monthy checks for STD (girl pays), HIV every three months (bar pays). Some of the Mp's check for STD weekly (house pays), HIV monthly (girl pays). That will vary from place to place, but it seems to be what I have been told from the folks I have been in contact with.
The Karaoke place are hit and miss, there does not seem to be any uniformity as the testing at all, perhaps because they all do not offer "take out service" ;)

[QUOTE=Kumbu]I think the band at Climax is composed of genuinely talented musicians. So I kind of enjoy the music, overly loud as it may be.

But your point is well taken - you really can't say a word to anyone there without ripping your lungs out.[/QUOTE]There wasn't a band when I was there, just a DJ playing the same 10 songs that all the gogo bars play on repeat (ooh that black eyed peas song! haven't heard that one a million times before!).

I ended up staying towards the back of the place because of the music volume.

[QUOTE=Centaurus]Really?!! Now THAT is a surprise![/QUOTE]
Thanks Centaurus. :D Of course I am not her. I accidentally left out the verb. Probably comes from learning Deutsch where they have those sentences that leave you hanging until reach the main verb right at the end. ;)

Was supposed to read "I'm sure Aey at Annies can ... "

[QUOTE=M P Lurker] ..I accidentally left out the verb...

Was supposed to read "I'm sure Aey at Annies can ... "[/QUOTE]

..because I'm sure that sure is an adjective;).

[QUOTE=Evianist]There wasn't a band when I was there...[/QUOTE]

Right, the band signs off at 2am, I believe. Then it's the regulare fare from there till closing.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]..because I'm sure that sure is an adjective;).[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but "to be sure", to be certain, is a verb, where a "sure thing" is an adjectival usage.

I am sure - present tense
I was sure - past tense, and
I will be sure - future tense

O.K. Some dictionaries describe it as an adjective but it seems to me I am using it as a verb of how I feel, as it is not attached to a noun

[QUOTE=Lord Farquard]Monthy checks for STD (girl pays), HIV every three months (bar pays). Some of the Mp's check for STD weekly (house pays), HIV monthly (girl pays).

That will vary from place to place, but it seems to be what I have been told from the folks I have been in contact with.
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Can anyone verify this? I never heard of any kind of bars/gogos testing girls. I've heard the mp's do, however.

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]I'm sorry but "to be sure", to be certain, is a verb, where a "sure thing" is an adjectival usage.

I am sure - present tense
I was sure - past tense, and
I will be sure - future tense

O.K. Some dictionaries describe it as an adjective but it seems to me I am using it as a verb of how I feel, as it is not attached to a noun[/QUOTE]

"sure" IS either an adjective or an adverb.
In "a sure thing", it is an attributive adjective and in "I am sure" it is a predicative adjective. In "he sure is happy" it's an adverb.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Can anyone verify this? I never heard of any kind of bars/gogos testing girls. I've heard the mp's do, however.[/QUOTE]
That's strange. Its quite common for "good" bars to have health checks because they can't afford the scandal. But the lowest class of bars may not have it just like some MPs may not have it as compulsory. Good quality Soapies always have health checks.

[QUOTE=Mart Cham]"sure" IS either an adjective or an adverb.
In "a sure thing", it is an attributive adjective and in "I am sure" it is a predicative adjective. In "he sure is happy" it's an adverb.[/QUOTE]
O.K. Thanks for the lesson. My grammar sucks, it seems.

Not sure of the reason for the STD question and not sure you want my opinion as everybody has one. So maybe you are married or worried about girlfriend etc or maybe yourself. The point I am about here is this is a choice. If you do this and you get a STD, it was your choice end of store, not the girls not the mp, not the go go place. See this as it is. These women are with men, they get infections in the normal course of being women. Look in the mirror you made the choice and move on. If you cannot live with this stay home with the wife, girlfriend safe no STD. Sorry if I offend anyone. This is no different the to ride a motorcycle, make a choice, you get on ride, you crash thats the risk not the motorcycle company etc. No offense live with the decision

[QUOTE=Mart Cham]"sure" IS either an adjective or an adverb.
In "a sure thing", it is an attributive adjective and in "I am sure" it is a predicative adjective. [b]In "he sure is happy" it's an adverb.[/b][/QUOTE]
Maybe so, but surely, "he sure is happy" is not even english. It is on par with "How are you doing? [b]Good!"[/b]
The adverbial form of "sure" is "surely" and of "good", it is "well", as even Webster's will tell you.

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]That's strange. Its quite common for "good" bars to have health checks because they can't afford the scandal. But the lowest class of bars may not have it just like some MPs may not have it as compulsory. Good quality Soapies always have health checks.[/QUOTE]
Yes, good soapies have health checks. This is probably because the main clientele is Thai.

Which bar is considered a "good" bar? Again, I've never heard of mandatory testing of girls in the gogos. I've asked several girls about this and have never gotten a straight answer.

Any reports or useful links to traditional Thai massage places in lower Sukhumvit area?

[QUOTE=Daddy San]Maybe so, but surely, "he sure is happy" is not even english. It is on par with "How are you doing? [b]Good!"[/b]
The adverbial form of "sure" is "surely" and of "good", it is "well", as even Webster's will tell you.[/QUOTE]

Agreed but I did not want to complicate the matter further so I decided not to mention the fact that the adverb "sure" is, at best, colloquial.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun]Not sure of the reason for the STD question and not sure you want my opinion as everybody has one. So maybe you are married or worried about girlfriend etc or maybe yourself. The point I am about here is this is a choice. If you do this and you get a STD, it was your choice end of store, not the girls not the mp, not the go go place. See this as it is. These women are with men, they get infections in the normal course of being women. Look in the mirror you made the choice and move on. If you cannot live with this stay home with the wife, girlfriend safe no STD. Sorry if I offend anyone. This is no different the to ride a motorcycle, make a choice, you get on ride, you crash thats the risk not the motorcycle company etc. No offense live with the decision[/QUOTE]Excellent post, you make a choice and must accept the consequences. I also find it amusing as to how many guys feel "safe" in the gogos because the girls have checks versus how the freelancers are considered dangerous. Yes, a health check is better than no health check. But say a gogo girl had a health check last night. And tonight she barebacks with an infected guy and gets infected herself. Even if she is getting a monthly checkup, it is likely that the infection may not show up until 3 months down the line. And how many guys does she do in that time? On the other hand, if you are worried about safety and cleanliness, I would say that the Thai massage places are a far better bet. I have never had a massage girl in a Thai place ever remotely consider bareback, even when we were both passionate and wild and tempted. They strike me as very conscious about this, as are the houses themselves. Whereas I couldn't tell you how many gogo girls are willing to bareback if they like a guy.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Yes, good soapies have health checks. This is probably because the main clientele is Thai.

Which bar is considered a "good" bar? Again, I've never heard of mandatory testing of girls in the gogos. I've asked several girls about this and have never gotten a straight answer.[/QUOTE]
When they do have checks, I was getting a straight detailed answer. ;)

Hi guys

Been a long time reader and preparing for a trip to BKK with my gf. I want to gently introduce her to a 3some and thought a MP will be a good start. Can anyone tell me which soapies cater to couples?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanx

Was just surveying the Nana parking lot for fun and dodging lots of ladyboys, when spotted Nit, a free-lancer I had been with a few years back. She is still young enough (26). Talent in the car-park was very average at 2AM, so Nit was a good option.

In the end decided to take her LT. I was well aware she was extremely tight, so lots of lube required. Who needs anal when the pussy is very tight indeed?

I was dismayed to find a small brown stain on the sheets. After all the discussion on health checks, I was thinking STD? She assured me was just the trailing remants of her period, went for a quick extra rinse and everything was fine after that.

Nice to sleep next a girl with a superb naked bottom.

Another nice round in the morning when awoke with the normal morning hard-on.

Shit, its giving me another boner sitting at breakfast, thinking about it while writing this report.

Hey guys,

Many years ago, I had the very good fortune of doing a threesome with a couple of really hot 19 year old girls I had met in a club. I saw them on a regular basis and it lasted about 2 years. Those were the days! One of the girls had this incredible control of her vaginal muscles. She could get me off without either of us moving our bodies simply by flexing her internal muscles and releasing and repeating the process over and over. It wasn't until some time later that I found out they actually had a name for such a thing. A snapper. And girls could develop their vaginal muscles by doing Kegel (sp?) exercises. Guys, if you've never done so, this is something you really have to experience.

Now, to my point. I was reading the Hatyai section some years ago and there were several references to the Pink Lady complex there and how the girls there were all trained to do this very thing. I don't know if it's true and I never got a chance to investigate this for myself since every time I went to Hatyai I was with my significant other and friends.

I was wandering if any one knew of any such place or providers in BKK as I will be there again soon. I've been to LOS many times and to many cities but have never found a Thai girl with this talent. Still, I can't help but think that it's out there somewhere. You would thing that venues such as Tulip or Annie's would provide this as part of their training since they seem to do such a good job training their girls in every other way.

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[QUOTE=Rajal]Hi guys

Been a long time reader and preparing for a trip to BKK with my gf. I want to gently introduce her to a 3some and thought a MP will be a good start. Can anyone tell me which soapies cater to couples?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanx[/QUOTE]
In years of going to Soapies, I think I only ever saw a female customer once. That was at Chao Praya II some years ago. So its not something that Soapies are generally likely to specialize in.

While its easy for a female customer to get a Soapy service, she won't be able to have sex unless the right Soapy girl is selected.

I would suggest consulting with Aey on the Annies thread. I reckon she will know the right girls for the assignment.

Decided to visit Nana Plaza once more, just to compare to Cowboy.

First up went in Mandarin. Downstairs seemed to have quite a few customers but girls seemed average and was rather dark with poor lighting, surely a sign that girls are not great looking. Tried upstairs too, where some girls looked O.K. but again lighting was very dim. Decided not to stay.

Looked briefly in a few bars that were not very busy.

Moved on to Angel Witch as thought some shows might entertain me. The shows had just started at 10PM and continue through to 1AM. Bar was quite busy. I stayed only due to two of the show dancers being very pretty. The standard go-go girls had no-one of interest at all.
Don't have full nudity here.

Previous night was at Cowboy.
Tried Shebas which had some shows going on including lesbian show, but girl selection quite ordinary. Some what similar to Suzie Wong, but I believe SW has a few more good looking girls.
Deja Vu has some very pretty coyote girls, but wasn't that busy. Bar is spoiled by a poor layout in my view. Perhaps problem is that the best girls are not bar-finable.
Tilac had plenty of customers but most girls looked rather ordinary and they are overdressed. Never managed to work out why this bar is so successful.
Dolls House was somewhat empty, had terrible girls (at the time) and seemed to be chaotically disorganised.
Midnight was doing O.K. I like the mix of Coyote and ordinary girls there and intimate close-up layout.
Shark was doing very good business as always. A good selection of nice looking voluptuous girls. But gets boring with no shows.
Baccara packed out as usual, and a few pretty girls. The school girls dancing upstairs are the B-team as someone pointed out, so best to stay downstairs. My favourite girl was gone already (of course).
Didn't look in Long Gun Lucky Star this time as bored with the ugly PatPong style shows.
As always, the problem can be that the very best girls will get bar-fined by 9PM at the latest, so its not a good idea to go looking for a top stunner late in the evening.

Anyone else have a mental hangup where if they see a bargirl they like being taken out by a guy, or even just being groped up by a guy, especially if the guy is kind of gross, then they can't really be attracted to the girl anymore?

A few girls I've really wanted have been taken by a guy in a bar just as I was playing eye flirt with her, and then I think about going back the next night to take her but I just picture her with some gross hairy old fat guy's genitals bumped up against her and I can't do it.

Do the bargirls have any say over who barfines them, or do they have to go with anyone who puts the money down?

[QUOTE=Evianist]Anyone else have a mental hangup where if they see a bargirl they like being taken out by a guy, or even just being groped up by a guy, especially if the guy is kind of gross, then they can't really be attracted to the girl anymore?

A few girls I've really wanted have been taken by a guy in a bar just as I was playing eye flirt with her, and then I think about going back the next night to take her but I just picture her with some gross hairy old fat guy's genitals bumped up against her and I can't do it.

Do the bargirls have any say over who barfines them, or do they have to go with anyone who puts the money down?[/QUOTE]I think there is a quota system, the girls have to have a certain number of drinks and barfines per week or month. If they don't meet this quota then they are fined or their salary is docked. If this is correct then I would guess that the ladies do have some discretion about who they go with, but some of the girls are probably under a lot of pressure to meet their quota. I do know that in some of the beer bars the girls are under intense pressure to go with anyone who wants to barfine them and if they do not want to go they get a lot of crap from the mamasan.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Anyone else have a mental hangup where if they see a bargirl they like being taken out by a guy, or even just being groped up by a guy, especially if the guy is kind of gross, then they can't really be attracted to the girl anymore?

A few girls I've really wanted have been taken by a guy in a bar just as I was playing eye flirt with her, and then I think about going back the next night to take her but I just picture her with some gross hairy old fat guy's genitals bumped up against her and I can't do it.

Do the bargirls have any say over who barfines them, or do they have to go with anyone who puts the money down?[/QUOTE]

Yes the girl has some say why do you and everyone else get turned down sometimes. every monger has had a few girls turn them down with the old I am on menstrual line or I virgin. Has for gross people ever think some other guy watching you group a hot little thing in the bar thinks the same That you are the gross fat old sweaty hairy stinky slob and it grosses them out thinking they might have fucked something you fucked LOL. I admit I am not the fattest grosses or ugliest dude in the bar BUT Iam also not the best looking either I dress up a bit in nice clothes and I bath and stay clean that's what most girls want. I think in order to be a monger you must have a block out mode when it comes to things like that and who's fucked your next temp girlfriend IF not maybe a new hobby is in order for you. Remember you don't lose the girl you lose your turn take a number and relax

Using the famous soi 7 beirgarden has a example I enjoy the high one gets from returning from a nice shag and watching the girl you just shagged 20 minutes before work on other guys in the bar . Fact its sort of feels like you some how whipped the other guy cause you get to fuck her before he did LOVE it

[QUOTE=Evianist]Anyone else have a mental hangup where if they see a bargirl they like being taken out by a guy, or even just being groped up by a guy, especially if the guy is kind of gross, then they can't really be attracted to the girl anymore?

A few girls I've really wanted have been taken by a guy in a bar just as I was playing eye flirt with her, and then I think about going back the next night to take her but I just picture her with some gross hairy old fat guy's genitals bumped up against her and I can't do it. [/QUOTE]

Some old fat guy's hairy genitals are the last thing I'm able to think about if I'm looking at a hot girl. Actually, I never do, regardless what I'm looking at... unless it's some old fat guy's hairy genitals, tho that hasn't happened yet, knock on wood. So... interesting... how long has this image been appearing to you? ;) Seriously, it might put me off a bit. Like I probably wouldn't barfine a hotty who I'd seen go out with some Snuffalupakus earlier that night. Or maybe even the next night. But depending on her degree of hotness, it's something that might eventually be overcome. Like, if she was Top 10 All Time, I might even be able to same night. It might result in a shift in attitude toward her: "Why, you little ****... come over here." But when you think about it, we're all in denial -- we all know any girl we look at and want often goes with guys like that, we're just lying to ourselves and trying not to think about it. And one last thing: I'd think there's different ways of viewing/thinking about these girls, and there's probly some guys who are turned ON by that.

About your 2nd point, there are places like that but I think not the gogos. I do think they're obliged to go with a customer in a massage place, wonder if anyone here knows otherwise. And of course there's rough local-style brothels where the girls are pretty much slaves.

[i]This message was edited by Wendella. Reason for editing: By the way, the **** above was Ess L Ewe Tee -- hard to believe forum software is set up to star out a word like that. [/i]

[QUOTE=Streetlooker]Fact its sort of feels like you some how whipped the other guy cause you get to fuck her before he did [/QUOTE]Yeah, but how about the guy who did her just before you?

[QUOTE=Betong]Yeah, but how about the guy who did her just before you?[/QUOTE]

I was wondering who that guy was staring at me with that evil smirk. ;)

[QUOTE=Booey]I think there is a quota system, the girls have to have a certain number of drinks and barfines per week or month. If they don't meet this quota then they are fined or their salary is docked. If this is correct then I would guess that the ladies do have some discretion about who they go with, but some of the girls are probably under a lot of pressure to meet their quota. I do know that in some of the beer bars the girls are under intense pressure to go with anyone who wants to barfine them and if they do not want to go they get a lot of crap from the mamasan.[/QUOTE]This sounds like it's probably correct, which is unfortunate. I think you get a better experience for both parties when the girls are going with guys they actually want to go with, rather than feeling pressured to take any barfine. In most other countries I've been to it works like that. How good is the service going to be if she just takes your barfine to avoid getting crap from the mama?

[QUOTE=Streetlooker]Yes the girl has some say why do you and everyone else get turned down sometimes. every monger has had a few girls turn them down with the old I am on menstrual line or I virgin. Has for gross people ever think some other guy watching you group a hot little thing in the bar thinks the same That you are the gross fat old sweaty hairy stinky slob and it grosses them out thinking they might have fucked something you fucked LOL. I admit I am not the fattest grosses or ugliest dude in the bar BUT Iam also not the best looking either I dress up a bit in nice clothes and I bath and stay clean that's what most girls want. I think in order to be a monger you must have a block out mode when it comes to things like that and who's fucked your next temp girlfriend IF not maybe a new hobby is in order for you. Remember you don't lose the girl you lose your turn take a number and relax[/QUOTE]I can block it out of my mind if I don't see it with my own eyes. No offense meant to anyone reading the forum who fits the description, but when I actually see a girl happily accepting the gropes of someone who's just disgusting both physically and behaviorally, I just can't desire her in the same way anymore. It makes me feel like there's something wrong with her, so I'd rather try to find a different girl rather than going back to her.

Also I sort of take it as sort of a personal insult that she doesn't reject the guy and wander over near me instead.

[QUOTE=Wendella]...By the way, the **** above was Ess L Ewe Tee -- hard to believe forum software is set up to star out a word like that. [/i][/QUOTE]
You mean sluht? :D

[QUOTE=Daddy07]You mean sluht? :D[/QUOTE]

No, I mean ****

[QUOTE=Evianist]Anyone else have a mental hangup where if they see a bargirl they like being taken out by a guy, or even just being groped up by a guy, especially if the guy is kind of gross, then they can't really be attracted to the girl anymore?

A few girls I've really wanted have been taken by a guy in a bar just as I was playing eye flirt with her, and then I think about going back the next night to take her but I just picture her with some gross hairy old fat guy's genitals bumped up against her and I can't do it.

Do the bargirls have any say over who barfines them, or do they have to go with anyone who puts the money down?[/QUOTE]I don't get too put off by seeing other guys with the girls, no matter what they look like, but I do tend to not take girls that I visibly know have been pulled before I meet them in the same night. Most may have already been anyways, but if I actually know it, I tend to select elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Anyone else have a mental hangup where if they see a bargirl they like being taken out by a guy, or even just being groped up by a guy, especially if the guy is kind of gross, then they can't really be attracted to the girl anymore?

A few girls I've really wanted have been taken by a guy in a bar just as I was playing eye flirt with her, and then I think about going back the next night to take her but I just picture her with some gross hairy old fat guy's genitals bumped up against her and I can't do it.

[/QUOTE]
You need to bang another 500-1000 pro's. You will get over this. I used to have this problem.

H guys,

Please can you suggest me a hotel in the Sukumvit area?

Requirments: rate between 600/1. 100 bath per night; quiet location (not noisy area, stricktly, not facing street); clean. That's it. No need for luxury or anything, just a cheap place where spending couple of good sleeping nights after being touring around town and relaxing in massage parlours.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Wendella]... And of course there's rough local-style brothels where the girls are pretty much slaves...[/QUOTE]

Believe it or not, but in all the brothels that I know (most of them are located in I-San) in this country, girls are far than being slaves and can also refuse to go with some customers (for instance, some of them are afraid by Westerners and won't go with them and nobody will force them to do that).

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing]H guys,

Please can you suggest me a hotel in the Sukumvit area?

Requirments: rate between 600/1. 100 bath per night; quiet location (not noisy area, stricktly, not facing street); clean. That's it. No need for luxury or anything, just a cheap place where spending couple of good sleeping nights after being touring around town and relaxing in massage parlours.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

When I'm in Bangkok, I usually stay at the Honey Hotel on Sukhumvit, soi 19.
[url]http://www.bangkokhotels.info/honey.htm[/url]

I wrote a short report about it here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=803255#post803255[/url]

[QUOTE=Goyave]When I'm in Bangkok, I usually stay at the Honey Hotel on Sukhumvit, soi 19.
[url]http://www.bangkokhotels.info/honey.htm[/url]

I wrote a short report about it here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=803255#post803255[/url][/QUOTE]

I remember your post about that hotel, but isn't it awfully far away from suk?? at least thats what i remember when i checked google maps for it... How long would it take to walk from the hotel to suk (slow walk, dont want to get sweaty)

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing]H guys,

Please can you suggest me a hotel in the Sukumvit area?

Requirments: rate between 600/1. 100 bath per night; quiet location (not noisy area, stricktly, not facing street); clean. That's it. No need for luxury or anything, just a cheap place where spending couple of good sleeping nights after being touring around town and relaxing in massage parlours.

Thanks[/QUOTE]My friend suggested Royal Asia Lodge on Soi 8. Very good location, a bit far from the main street but there is free tuktuk ride. I think it is 1000 a night. I visited him there, the room was small but nice. Good big fridge and in room safety box.

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol]I remember your post about that hotel, but isn't it awfully far away from suk?? at least thats what i remember when i checked google maps for it... How long would it take to walk from the hotel to suk (slow walk, dont want to get sweaty)[/QUOTE]

It takes less than 5 minutes by walk to go to this hotel from Asoke BTS station.

I usually go to Soi Cowboy (less than 10 minutes, walking slowly) and even to NEP by walk (probably around 20-25 minutes, walking at my usual pace) from this hotel, but I reckon that I enjoy walking more than the average Joe.

[QUOTE=Betong]Yeah, but how about the guy who did her just before you?[/QUOTE]
If the guy before me is in the bar when I pick up a ST girl then he will have that same feeling. I don;t know what to call it but you get that sort of conquering feeling when you see a girl you just nailed go off 30 minutes later with another guy LOL come on guys you know that feeling right its just a good thing . IF I got a good fucking I feel happy for the next guy also cause I know what he is about to get. Anyhow I like those moments. Another great moment is when you go back 2-3-10 days later and the girls remember you and want to fuck you again and you get to have all the power to say yes or no LOVE that also

[QUOTE=Goyave]It takes less than 5 minutes by walk to go to this hotel from Asoke BTS station.

I usually go to Soi Cowboy (less than 10 minutes, walking slowly) and even to NEP by walk (probably around 20-25 minutes, walking at my usual pace) from this hotel, but I reckon that I enjoy walking more than the average Joe.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Goyave, i dont know how i could got that so wrong in your post some time ago... but if its so near Asoke, then it will be the most perfect situaded hotel for me...

[QUOTE=Goyave]When I'm in Bangkok, I usually stay at the Honey Hotel on Sukhumvit, soi 19.
[url]http://www.bangkokhotels.info/honey.htm[/url]

I wrote a short report about it here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=803255#post803255[/url][/QUOTE]
Honey Hotel is basically right across the street from the SilQ hotel, perhaps 20 meters further down the street. Maybe 100 meters further from Sukhumvit than the Key and the Grottino.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]Honey Hotel is basically right across the street from the SilQ hotel, perhaps 20 meters further down the street. Maybe 100 meters further from Sukhumvit than the Key and the Grottino.[/QUOTE]

Free wifi?

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Free wifi?[/QUOTE]

I don't think so, but never asked nor had the need so far... Don't forget that it's just a correct, but basic hotel. Good value for me in this area, but I just use my hotel room for having sex (a lot) and sleeping (a bit) when I'm in Bangkok, not for working... :D

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Free wifi?[/QUOTE]

According to their website they have free internet service, but nothing about wifi...

[url]http://*******.com/y8tm25u[/url]

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol]According to their website they have free internet service, but nothing about wifi...

[url]http://*******.com/y8tm25u[/url][/QUOTE]

Wonder what happened to my link..... i'll try again:

[url]http://www.honeyhouse.co.th/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=2&lang=en[/url]

seems like using t i n y u r l service is not allowed at isg....

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol]Wonder what happened to my link..... i'll try again:

[url]http://www.honeyhouse.co.th/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=2&lang=en[/url]

seems like using t i n y u r l service is not allowed at isg....[/QUOTE]

This is a different place from the aforementioned Honey Hotel.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]This is a different place from the aforementioned Honey Hotel.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for info Member... must check this new honey place up.... didn't i think it was something fishy about this..... :)

I also stay at the Honey Hotel. The 800 baht rooms you mentioned, when you say "ground floor" I think those must be the rooms that are outside with doors opening onto the parking garage, correct? I've stayed in one of those before. I have to say the rooms upstairs are much nicer. Have they renovated all the rooms yet? Last time I was there, the rooms in the main hotel (upstairs) on one side (can't remember if it was the inside rooms or outside) had been renovated and were great, while others were looking like they hadn't had anything changed since 1983 -- pretty worn out. The rooms you mention for 1000baht, where are those exactly? Ground floor again or inside the main building. One thing I'll say: soi 19 much more convenient than soi 22. And that's a real nice diner type restaurant to have your free breakfast in and read the newspaper. It really fills up at lunchtime too, popular with the office worker locals.

[QUOTE=Wendella]I also stay at the Honey Hotel. The 800 baht rooms you mentioned, when you say "ground floor" I think those must be the rooms that are outside with doors opening onto the parking garage, correct? I've stayed in one of those before. I have to say the rooms upstairs are much nicer. [/QUOTE]
The cheap rooms used to be very small indeed. Bigger than a dog kennel but I would suggest take the higher class room is a good idea. Things could have changed as I didn't stay there a long time now.

I think Silq is a better idea (although has no pool) if can afford it.

[QUOTE=Wendella]I also stay at the Honey Hotel. The 800 baht rooms you mentioned, when you say "ground floor" I think those must be the rooms that are outside with doors opening onto the parking garage, correct? I've stayed in one of those before. I have to say the rooms upstairs are much nicer. Have they renovated all the rooms yet? Last time I was there, the rooms in the main hotel (upstairs) on one side (can't remember if it was the inside rooms or outside) had been renovated and were great, while others were looking like they hadn't had anything changed since 1983 -- pretty worn out. The rooms you mention for 1000baht, where are those exactly? Ground floor again or inside the main building. One thing I'll say: soi 19 much more convenient than soi 22. And that's a real nice diner type restaurant to have your free breakfast in and read the newspaper. It really fills up at lunchtime too, popular with the office worker locals.[/QUOTE]

In my first post about Honey Hotel, I was answering to a guy who was looking for a room in the 700 to 900 baht price range. That's why I mentioned the 800 baht rooms available at the Honey Hotel, but as far as I am concerned, I usually stay on the second floor (or the third floor, if you consider that the ground level is the "first" floor) of the main building in a "Single Deluxe" room, and the price for these rooms with refrigerator is 1000 baht per night. Never tried nor visited the cheaper rooms myself there so far (but a few friends of mine did in the past and I think that you are right about the location and size of these rooms if I remember correctly what my friends said about them).

Rooms on the second floor (or third, again, depending on what is the "first" floor for you) were renovated three years ago, if I am not mistaken.

And yes, the restaurant is good value too (especially if you like Thai cuisine: the meals are tasty and not expensive here).

Honey hotel good be ok. I also have to stay a few nights in Bangkok next month. The only thing that worries me are several reports on Tripadvisor site that something had been stolen there from their rooms, probably by the staff. Some of those reports were old so I guess the staff might have changed and the problem solved, who knows.

I was last month staying in Citadines soi 11 but I think their 2000 baht a night was a little too much for the small room.

First of all, this report is from a very subjective kind of view. I'm sure that one can have a lot of fun in Bangkok. But not me.

It must be one of the ugliest city in the world. Though I haven't been to Mogadishu, Addis Abeba or Ulan Bathor yet, I'm sure Bangkok can compete with any of those.

I stayed at the Grand Millenium which is highly recommend. It's an upscale place to a reasonable price. The rooms are awesome and just a few hundred meters away from Soi Cowboy and Sukhumvit / Asoke station. If you want a quiet room, ask for one with the endings. 06.. 12. The others are heading to busy Asoke Road and are very noisy all night even on the higher floors

I went to the usual spots (Nana, Soi Cowboy, Patpong) crowded with drunk tourists and mostly ugly girls (or ladyboys) and of course all were "my friends" because I'm such a "handsome man". This combined with the awful music clanging out of every joint made it a torture to stroll around.

After realizing this is not my cup of tea I thought I'd give one of the world famous massage parlours a try.

I decided my first MP experience should be at Poseidon.

Arriving on a Saturday at 8pm 20 fishes were swimming in the aquarium but nothing worth putting out the angling rod. Went up to the 2nd floor, the so-called "model area". Lots of girls here, but unfortunately no models at all.

Mamasan introduced 6-7 girls but only one was an appealing 7 (I'm actually a little picky).

When I followed my newfound mid20s girlfriend Ben to the elevator, a real stunner came along. Damn, I should have waited just a little longer.

After a closer look at the room I have to adjust my rating to only a 5.

(Bad teeth, ugly fake tits, hairy beaver, stretchmarks, sleazy tattoo).

While she was was filling up the bathtup we did the usual smalltalk. Her english was quite good, she was very kind but somewhat professional (maybe because she IS a professional!).

"Want massage? ". Hell yeah, honey, hop on!

After 10 minutes of elbow drops, back brakers and other finishing moves it was time to get washed.

20 minutes of cleaning both of us accurately she took me to the bed and proceeded with a covered blowjob followed by a short ride and finished with a handjob.

All in all it was like the typical standard treatment you get at any of the Frankfurt RLD brotels for half of the price!

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]The cheap rooms used to be very small indeed. Bigger than a dog kennel but I would suggest take the higher class room is a good idea. Things could have changed as I didn't stay there a long time now.

I think Silq is a better idea (although has no pool) if can afford it.[/QUOTE]

How much there at Silq? Why's it better ?

I did stay in a garage room once -- it was ok but pretty cramped and for the 200 baht more per night, the rooms upstairs are a much better deal. There's something not right about entering your room through a garage, and inside it has a makeshift feel to it mainly due to the size.

I have to say, I've always told myself "this time I'm gonna try the pool" but "this time" has never come and I've stayed at Honey probably 10 times by now. It's a pretty small pool.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo]Honey hotel good be ok. I also have to stay a few nights in Bangkok next month. The only thing that worries me are several reports on Tripadvisor site that something had been stolen there from their rooms, probably by the staff. Some of those reports were old so I guess the staff might have changed and the problem solved, who knows. [/QUOTE]Do not stay at the honey hotel. i had an expensive ring stolen from my room when I stayed there for a few nights.

Hi, sorry to bother you guys again but I am getting different information from all my searches.

Some of the posts said that you can open an account in Bangkok, you just need to bring your passport, your hotel address and pay 300bt for the ATM.

Others are saying that you would need a 1 year visa in order to open an account.

Then more members are saying that it depends on the bank

Can someone here confirm whether you can or can not open an account?

If possible, I would like to find a big bank that have more ATM machines spread out in Thailand.


2nd question, How much would the total be in BJ bars? I know that you would pay the girls usually 700B, but there are different opinion on the 300B to the bar. Some are saying that you would need to pay that if you go to a private room, others are saying that you would pay the 300 even if you sit on the couch. Would like to clear this up if possible.

If someone can tell me if this is the same for My friend U bar in Pattaya, I would really appreciate it since it would save me a post in the Pattaya section.

I have opened a savings account at Kasikorn (2) and at Krung Thai (2) with just a tourist visa, passport and address. Two of them in NE Thailand and the other two in branches within the Exchange Tower at Asoke. And yes it can depend on the bank and its manager or the mood of the day. Just walk to another branch and give it a go.

[QUOTE=Csun213]Hi, sorry to bother you guys again but I am getting different information from all my searches.

Some of the posts said that you can open an account in Bangkok, you just need to bring your passport, your hotel address and pay 300bt for the ATM.

Others are saying that you would need a 1 year visa in order to open an account.

Then more members are saying that it depends on the bank

Can someone here confirm whether you can or can not open an account?

If possible, I would like to find a big bank that have more ATM machines spread out in Thailand.


QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo]Honey hotel good be ok. I also have to stay a few nights in Bangkok next month. The only thing that worries me are several reports on Tripadvisor site that something had been stolen there from their rooms, probably by the staff. Some of those reports were old so I guess the staff might have changed and the problem solved, who knows.

I was last month staying in Citadines soi 11 but I think their 2000 baht a night was a little too much for the small room.[/QUOTE]I have read reports in another forum about people having stuff stolen as well. I PM'd the guy, as I was considering staying there, and he verified it.

This was about 8-9 months ago.

Well, so if BKK is your "hell" I would LOVE to hear where your heaven is. I wager that you either didn't know where to go or else you are very inexperienced. I really don't know what else could be the answer unless you want to restrict yourself to the antispectic, super-expensive places in the Western world. BTW, you can have 'them.

[QUOTE=Trashcanman77]First of all, this report is from a very subjective kind of view. I'm sure that one can have a lot of fun in Bangkok. But not me.

It must be one of the ugliest city in the world. Though I haven't been to Mogadishu, Addis Abeba or Ulan Bathor yet, I'm sure Bangkok can compete with any of those.

I stayed at the Grand Millenium which is highly recommend. It's an upscale place to a reasonable price. The rooms are awesome and just a few hundred meters away from Soi Cowboy and Sukhumvit / Asoke station. If you want a quiet room, ask for one with the endings. 06.. 12. The others are heading to busy Asoke Road and are very noisy all night even on the higher floors

I went to the usual spots (Nana, Soi Cowboy, Patpong) crowded with drunk tourists and mostly ugly girls (or ladyboys) and of course all were "my friends" because I'm such a "handsome man". This combined with the awful music clanging out of every joint made it a torture to stroll around.

After realizing this is not my cup of tea I thought I'd give one of the world famous massage parlours a try.

I decided my first MP experience should be at Poseidon.

Arriving on a Saturday at 8pm 20 fishes were swimming in the aquarium but nothing worth putting out the angling rod. Went up to the 2nd floor, the so-called "model area". Lots of girls here, but unfortunately no models at all.

Mamasan introduced 6-7 girls but only one was an appealing 7 (I'm actually a little picky).

When I followed my newfound mid20s girlfriend Ben to the elevator, a real stunner came along. Damn, I should have waited just a little longer.

After a closer look at the room I have to adjust my rating to only a 5.

(Bad teeth, ugly fake tits, hairy beaver, stretchmarks, sleazy tattoo).

While she was was filling up the bathtup we did the usual smalltalk. Her english was quite good, she was very kind but somewhat professional (maybe because she IS a professional!).

"Want massage? ". Hell yeah, honey, hop on!

After 10 minutes of elbow drops, back brakers and other finishing moves it was time to get washed.

20 minutes of cleaning both of us accurately she took me to the bed and proceeded with a covered blowjob followed by a short ride and finished with a handjob.

All in all it was like the typical standard treatment you get at any of the Frankfurt RLD brotels for half of the price![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Whateverfool]Do not stay at the honey hotel. i had an expensive ring stolen from my room when I stayed there for a few nights.[/QUOTE]

I never ever have had anything stolen at the Honey Hotel (in fact, not at any hotel in Thailand actually), but it's true that I also don't leave any valuable item clearly visible in the room (it's either locked in one of my bags, or in the safe).

[QUOTE=Jgm005]I have opened a savings account at Kasikorn (2) and at Krung Thai (2) with just a tourist visa, passport and address. [/QUOTE]

You can open a Kasikorn account with nothing more then cash... They never asked for anything more then my Passport and how much I was going to deposit.

Well in truth they did ask for my address and I gave them one but they never checked it, they never checked for a visa or work permit or anything. They asked for my mobile number and that was it.....

TMB is more difficult to open an account at.

What's with my reports never showing up in the thread? I've had several, including one where I reviewed all the freelancer spots, not show up after going through.

Are they being moderated out for some reason or what?

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]You can open a Kasikorn account with nothing more then cash... They never asked for anything more then my Passport and how much I was going to deposit.

Well in truth they did ask for my address and I gave them one but they never checked it, they never checked for a visa or work permit or anything. They asked for my mobile number and that was it.....

TMB is more difficult to open an account at.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Tansak KTV and Jgm005, I will try to open up an account at Kasikorn when I get to Bangkok.

I will also post up a report on my experience after I return. I owe it to all you guys after all your help.

[QUOTE=Evianist]What's with my reports never showing up in the thread? I've had several, including one where I reviewed all the freelancer spots, not show up after going through.

Are they being moderated out for some reason or what?[/QUOTE]

I find 18 posts from you, and thats what your profile says too. Click your name and then Show more posts from Evianist and you will find them.

[QUOTE=Csun213]Thanks Tansak KTV and Jgm005, I will try to open up an account at Kasikorn when I get to Bangkok.

I will also post up a report on my experience after I return. I owe it to all you guys after all your help.[/QUOTE]

Check this link for more pointers.

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Opening-Bank-Account-Thailand-t260738.html&st=50[/url]

How comes every bar I go into the girls start hassling me repeatedly telling me to smile and act happier? Do they want you to walk around with a weird artificial smile plastered on your face at all times? Like the joker?

I started a new policy where if a girl tells me to smile I immediately drop her from the potential barfine pool.

Instead of telling me to smile, how about making me smile?

[QUOTE=Pita123]Check this link for more pointers.

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Opening-Bank-Account-Thailand-t260738.html&st=50[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks for your post. I found this in the link

for tourist visa holders - there needs to be demonstrated evidence that you're not just a regular tourist (i.e. living in Thailand, home owning, family commitments etc). They won't do this on a "new account" or itinerant tourist - some degree of length of stay is required.

But some of the people had no problem opening up an account with just passport and cash while others were turned away. I am going to try my luck in Mar.

If I am able to open up an account at Kasikorn Bank, do you know if their ATM will work with other banks or do I have to find a Kasikorn ATM. If so, can someone tell me if their ATM are easily found in Thailand? Thanks

[QUOTE=Csun213]Thanks for your post. I found this in the link

for tourist visa holders - there needs to be demonstrated evidence that you're not just a regular tourist (i.e. living in Thailand, home owning, family commitments etc). They won't do this on a "new account" or itinerant tourist - some degree of length of stay is required.

But some of the people had no problem opening up an account with just passport and cash while others were turned away. I am going to try my luck in Mar.

If I am able to open up an account at Kasikorn Bank, do you know if their ATM will work with other banks or do I have to find a Kasikorn ATM. If so, can someone tell me if their ATM are easily found in Thailand? Thanks[/QUOTE]

Let me repeat... I never showed Kasikorn any documentation other then some foreign currency and my passport.

Location of their ATM's... you are going where? Their ATM's are about every 50 feet it seems like in Bangkok and Pattaya and other locations... they are in Isaan all over as well. K bank you can do internet banking and other things pretty easy as well.

Where are you going? PM me I know of a few locations that are easy to open up account with, when are you there as I will be around in Mar also... let me know and I'll see if I can assist if I am in town but really you walk in passport and cash and they open up for you. TMB as I said is much more difficult so don't attempt to open there.. not sure about the rest. I only have the two.

[QUOTE=Csun213]Thanks for your post. I found this in the link

for tourist visa holders - there needs to be demonstrated evidence that you're not just a regular tourist (i.e. living in Thailand, home owning, family commitments etc). They won't do this on a "new account" or itinerant tourist - some degree of length of stay is required.

But some of the people had no problem opening up an account with just passport and cash while others were turned away. I am going to try my luck in Mar.

If I am able to open up an account at Kasikorn Bank, do you know if their ATM will work with other banks or do I have to find a Kasikorn ATM. If so, can someone tell me if their ATM are easily found in Thailand? Thanks[/QUOTE]

You definitely should go for Kasikorn, they're the most Farang-friendly bank in my opinion. I have an account at Siam Commercial too and it's a whole different story, higher commissions, bad service, stupid requirements, they wanted to see my work permit to open it but later when I wanted to get a new card suddenly the work permit was not considered official enough :) With Kasikorn I once got a new ATM card in a different city than where I live just by showing my European ID card (and being very nice of course).
You'll be able to use almost all ATMs across Thailand with a Kasikorn card and Kasikorn ATMs are everywhere anyway.
If you're going to spend a few days in Pattaya, just open your account in Pattaya, banks are much more leniant there than elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Let me repeat... I never showed Kasikorn any documentation other then some foreign currency and my passport.

Location of their ATM's... you are going where? Their ATM's are about every 50 feet it seems like in Bangkok and Pattaya and other locations... they are in Isaan all over as well. K bank you can do internet banking and other things pretty easy as well.

Where are you going? PM me I know of a few locations that are easy to open up account with, when are you there as I will be around in Mar also... let me know and I'll see if I can assist if I am in town but really you walk in passport and cash and they open up for you. TMB as I said is much more difficult so don't attempt to open there.. not sure about the rest. I only have the two.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I will try to open up one in Kasikorn. I will PM you when I get to Bangkok. It would be great if we can hook up.

[QUOTE=Mart Cham]You definitely should go for Kasikorn, they're the most Farang-friendly bank in my opinion. I have an account at Siam Commercial too and it's a whole different story, higher commissions, bad service, stupid requirements, they wanted to see my work permit to open it but later when I wanted to get a new card suddenly the work permit was not considered official enough :) With Kasikorn I once got a new ATM card in a different city than where I live just by showing my European ID card (and being very nice of course).
You'll be able to use almost all ATMs across Thailand with a Kasikorn card and Kasikorn ATMs are everywhere anyway.
If you're going to spend a few days in Pattaya, just open your account in Pattaya, banks are much more leniant there than elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your help. I will do it in Bangkok since I will spend a few days there first before going to Pattaya.

I was turned down by 5-6 banks in Bangkok when I tried to open an account. All of them asked for a work permit.

I then changed my strategy. The very next bank I tired (Bank of Bangkok. Who previously turned me down) welcomed me with open arms when I told them I was on an Education Visa. Didn't ask for squat other than $$$ and my passport.

I even got the phone number and a date with the hot teller who helped me open the account.

So. My advice is twofold: (1) say you're in Thailand on an Education Visa and (2) flirt with the bank chickie.

And I will hopefully be banging the shit out of that teller this weekend.

[QUOTE=Pita123]Check this link for more pointers.

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Opening-Bank-Account-Thailand-t260738.html&st=50[/url][/QUOTE]


Myself and a friend didn't have any problems at Bangkok Bank in Rachatewi either, with a tourist visa and some baht. They needed a mailing address for the occasional bit of snail-mailed info (in Thai so not really needed) and a mobile phone number.

Not that I'm necessarily recommending that bank.

How long is ST for a girl from NEP? Mamasan will tell you two hours but girls wanna go back right after one bonk, usually 40 minutes for me including time for shower. One of them even told me that she does not do LT which I think was a lie. But at 600Bt bar fine and 2000Bt for the girl, LT is definitely better deal at 4000Bt.

[QUOTE=Linga]How long is ST for a girl from NEP? Mamasan will tell you two hours but girls wanna go back right after one bonk, usually 40 minutes for me including time for shower. One of them even told me that she does not do LT which I think was a lie. But at 600Bt bar fine and 2000Bt for the girl, LT is definitely better deal at 4000Bt.[/QUOTE]

Reading such reports reminds me why I don't barfine there anymore (although I've never paid such prices there). So you're looking at 2000 + 600 + 300 (loom) + 300 (2 drinks) = 3200 bahts for 40 minutes of starfish experience in some (should I say most?) cases.
4K for LT a better deal? A less obvious rip-off yeah... Dude, do yourself a favour and go to a soapy/oily! If you want LT, shop on the street or at freelancer joints.

Some girls, many girls really don't do LT. Not only in gogo bars.

[QUOTE=Linga]How long is ST for a girl from NEP? Mamasan will tell you two hours but girls wanna go back right after one bonk, usually 40 minutes for me including time for shower. One of them even told me that she does not do LT which I think was a lie. But at 600Bt bar fine and 2000Bt for the girl, LT is definitely better deal at 4000Bt.[/QUOTE]Many girls don't do LT or don't want to do LT (especially if they have a BF). But find some rapport, don't listen to that small head. You can find many of those girls in discos or on the street once they finish at the bar and just find one that you click with. I cannot list for you the number of girls I have taken home with no discussion about ST or LT who end up staying a long time. If they ask, I usually tell them that it is up to them not me. If they want to stay and they enjoy staying fine, if they just want to do the deed and go home, that is fine by me as well. Outside of extra tips because they are so damn sweet, I don't pay any different and make that clear to them. So it just weeds out all the wham bam thank you girls very very fast and keeps the gems.

[QUOTE=Linga]How long is ST for a girl from NEP? Mamasan will tell you two hours but girls wanna go back right after one bonk, usually 40 minutes for me including time for shower. One of them even told me that she does not do LT which I think was a lie. But at 600Bt bar fine and 2000Bt for the girl, LT is definitely better deal at 4000Bt.[/QUOTE]

Prices must have gone up big time since last year, May (though that's off peak season). I was getting 1k/1.5k for ST (1 hour, one shot) and 2k/2.5k LT (plus barfine of course). I think there is a big difference between clubs/bars and girls too.... shop around....

(I've also got phone numbers and also waited for one outside after closing, though it was late anyway, so they deal on the side too).

[QUOTE=Mart Cham]... = 3200 bahts for 40 minutes of starfish experience in some (should I say most?) cases.
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Something must be wrong with the girl selection process. I almost never had starfish when selecting experienced bar girls who dance with a bit of sexy pazzaz. Of course she must act in a way indicating our chemistry is good too. I don't treat girls like fucking machines, I hope. Newbie or very shy girls can be somewhat starfish. Also girls that are very scared by size of the dick.

I think its really key to make sure you have really good chemistry with a girl before taking her if you are looking a GFE. Being too stingy on the price bargaining obviously won't help a lot.

When you go to a Soapy, its more difficult to tell if they will be a good fuck. More of a lottery.

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]Newbie or very shy girls can be somewhat starfish.[/QUOTE]

I agree with the general indication that girls that can dance usually carry a higher percentage chance of being able to move in bed.

However for shy and new girls being starfish I think maybe yes and no. But this is what makes the hunt so much fun. Newbie and Shy Girls can also be horny (less customers) and more explosive once you get them to relax and enjoy. Plus many of them once you work on them for a while and do relax are not in a "pro" or "business" mode.

I recently had a VERY new girl (no english and super shy) short time who pretty much suffocated me while DATY her. Then after the deed and shower sat back on my face for more DATY two more times and add in a few more completions for me. She also ended up being an "on call" girl ready to come over anytime I wanted her at any hour.

I also went to a bar with a mother daughter team and had the shy young daughter, first week on the job, broken hearted by thai guy, who on the second visit with her relaxed and was an incredible experience. To complete the circle I did end up taking the mother just to be fair to the family and she was a true Pro and provided excellent services. While older for me it was a nice way to finish off that visit to the land of smiles...

So don't disregard the shy girls, some of my favorite girls and diamond's in the rough are the shy ones... The top dancers are usually also the top pro's or been in the business a while.

Then again... go ahead folks, take all the top dancers and top lookers while I suffer with the shy but highly explosive sexual girls ;) I actually find more enjoyment by taking a newbie girl and showing her and teaching her and getting her to enjoy her sexuality more.

I think a better indication of how a girl is other then dancing is if she plays with herself or is into erotic items. If the girl really does play with herself or is into erotic items then even if she is shy or dancer then she's usually good news. All my top performers are into some type of erotic areas, either chat, looking at pictures, touching themselves, etc... Some of the kinkiest girls I know are also the most quiet and reserve.

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However for shy and new girls being starfish I think maybe yes and no. But this is what makes the hunt so much fun. Newbie and Shy Girls can also be horny (less customers) and more explosive once you get them to relax and enjoy. Plus many of them once you work on them for a while and do relax are not in a "pro" or "business" mode.

I recently had a VERY new girl (no english and super shy) short time who pretty much suffocated me while DATY her. Then after the deed and shower sat back on my face for more DATY two more times and add in a few more completions for me. She also ended up being an "on call" girl ready to come over anytime I wanted her at any hour.
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I agree. While newbie girls are more risky, you can get some crackerjack girls. So if the girl really appeals, you have to be willing to take the gamble.

Probably the girl had never had good DATY in her life so you introduced her to a new super experience, similar to when a guy receives his first super blow job.

In general, Thai guys don't do DATY.

I remember fondly a newbie girl who kept waking up through the night for another round. Probably had never had good sex in her life previously.

Sometimes you even meet a girl who has never had an orgasm before in her life (even though most Thai girls are sensitive and orgasm easily). These are girls that can be converted from star-fish to voracious barracudas.

But as a rule, most girls that are really hot in bed will have had strong sexual urges from an early age. e.g. will have commenced sexual experiences at the age of 14 even if it was just masturbation.

After years of experience I don't like to choose a girl to be a GF if never masturbated in her teens. My new girl did indeed do that and even had sex with girls as a teenager.
So she has strong sexual urges.

[QUOTE=Evianist]How comes every bar I go into the girls start hassling me repeatedly telling me to smile and act happier? Do they want you to walk around with a weird artificial smile plastered on your face at all times? Like the joker?

I started a new policy where if a girl tells me to smile I immediately drop her from the potential barfine pool.

Instead of telling me to smile, how about making me smile?[/QUOTE]
You are fucking telling me. I hate when chicks who I'm on the webcam with say that. I'm like I'm in front of a computer screen, not at a comedy show.

[QUOTE=Evianist]How comes every bar I go into the girls start hassling me repeatedly telling me to smile and act happier? Do they want you to walk around with a weird artificial smile plastered on your face at all times? Like the joker?

I started a new policy where if a girl tells me to smile I immediately drop her from the potential barfine pool.

Instead of telling me to smile, how about making me smile?[/QUOTE]
Don't worry about it. This is real common. Many girls are not smiling much either. I just answer that I am bored. We are not actors too!

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]Something must be wrong with the girl selection process. I almost never had starfish when selecting experienced bar girls who dance with a bit of sexy pazzaz. Of course she must act in a way indicating our chemistry is good too. I don't treat girls like fucking machines, I hope. Newbie or very shy girls can be somewhat starfish. Also girls that are very scared by size of the dick.

I think its really key to make sure you have really good chemistry with a girl before taking her if you are looking a GFE. Being too stingy on the price bargaining obviously won't help a lot.

When you go to a Soapy, its more difficult to tell if they will be a good fuck. More of a lottery.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry for me, I haven't had a starfish style session for quite a long time and I know how to select a girl. However I've never spent 2000 bahts ST on a bargirl, ever! And if a session lasts 40 minutes shower included I tend to think that starfish was on the menu.

[QUOTE=Mart Cham]Reading such reports reminds me why I don't barfine there anymore (although I've never paid such prices there). So you're looking at 2000 + 600 + 300 (loom) + 300 (2 drinks) = 3200 bahts for 40 minutes of starfish experience in some (should I say most?) cases.

4K for LT a better deal? A less obvious rip-off yeah. Dude, do yourself a favour and go to a soapy/oily! If you want LT, shop on the street or at freelancer joints.

Some girls, many girls really don't do LT. Not only in gogo bars.[/QUOTE]Well, I regularly hangout at a number of upscale soapies and am quite satisfied with the experience. Though a bit expensive. This was the first time I went to NEP and found that most of the girls are considerably younger than the ones at the massage joints plus they get naturally wet whereas most massage girls will use a gel. Next time I will also try the Soi Cowboy bars and of course the NEP besides my favorite massage joints and also try to bargain down the NEP ST rate to a maximum of 1. 5k. BTW, I don't really like LT.

My body was tired from the time change and long flight. My mind however was ready to go. Guess which one was the winner?
So off we go to Akane... Had never been there and decided it was time to see what it is all about. Also it was close to where I was staying.
The line up was about 8 to 10 ladies. Nothing was an 8 or higher but several in the acceptable 6 and 7 range. I picked Miss f. At Tiny little spinner as she looked happy to see me and i figured that was a good thing. Off we go to the room and I get naked and we head for the shower. Now I have had girls who scrub you pretty good but nothing like this. She gets out the ole brillo pad for washing the dry food of the frying pan. The first two layers of skin were removed off my back. She did leave some hair on the legs and lucky for me the chest. The important area was done by hand. I was relieved .
Now back to the room for the main course. First the back and legs . then the flip. A fair massage, didn't expect greatness. Then flip again. "Can you raise your butt in the air". "Of course I can." Then from behind a hand grabs the boys and all and starts the massage. Soon she is kissing and licking things from behind. A few minutes later it is back on the flop.. A cover is applied and the lip service starts. I proposed a little DATY and she agreed. This went on to completion. Nothing further was offered or asked for. I am sure it is available but seeing as it was my first visit it was most likely on the back burner if available.
Would I recommend it ? Yes for something different and a change of pace. I will return but other places need to be investigated,

My body was tired from the time change and long flight. My mind however was ready to go. Guess which one was the winner?

So off we go to Akane... Had never been there and decided it was time to see what it is all about. Also it was close to where I was staying.

The line up was about 8 to 10 ladies. Nothing was an 8 or higher but several in the acceptable 6 and 7 range. I picked Miss f. At Tiny little spinner as she looked happy to see me and i figured that was a good thing. Off we go to the room and I get naked and we head for the shower. Now I have had girls who scrub you pretty good but nothing like this. She gets out the ole brillo pad for washing the dry food of the frying pan. The first two layers of skin were removed off my back. She did leave some hair on the legs and lucky for me the chest. The important area was done by hand. I was relieved .

Now back to the room for the main course. First the back and legs . then the flip. A fair massage, didn't expect greatness. Then flip again. "Can you raise your butt in the air". "Of course I can." Then from behind a hand grabs the boys and all and starts the massage. Soon she is kissing and licking things from behind. A few minutes later it is back on the flop.. A cover is applied and the lip service starts. I proposed a little DATY and she agreed. This went on to completion. Nothing further was offered or asked for. I am sure it is available but seeing as it was my first visit it was most likely on the back burner if available.

Would I recommend it ? Yes for something different and a change of pace. I will return but other places need to be investigated,

[QUOTE=Oldian] Outside of extra tips because they are so damn sweet, I don't pay any different and make that clear to them. So it just weeds out all the wham bam thank you girls very very fast and keeps the gems.[/QUOTE]

That's my approach too and I am pretty happy with the results. Also I do not have too many expectations when I go with a gal for the first time. Another reason not to be too generous: if I were I would start building up expectations.
If they then become a "LT buddy" there might even be nights spent together without sex but they always get the same amount in the morning.
Being fair with nice, sweet girls is always rewarded: one of my regular girls told me recently that I should stop giving her these 100 bahts taxi money because she always gets back home by MRT and that costs less than 30 bahts. You've got to love them.

I had Saturday night to myself so decided to check out NEP and look for an AngelWitch regular, or failing that look for a car-park girl.

As I headed in to NEP I saw a very pretty and lively girl chatting to the ladyboys at the entrance. I had to step to one side and study for a few moments to convince myself that she wasn't a ladyboy. Anyway, went into AngelWitch but my regular girl wasn't there or had stopped working or something. So I was introduced to a new young girl - 18 years old and quite sweet. She had been working there 3 days. Really too young and too inexperienced for me, but I asked anyway, and she said 2000Bht + 600Bht for ST. How she kept a straight face I don't know...

Anyway, the mamasan pretty quickly dropped the price to 1500Bht, but I wasn't really tempted. So finished my drink and wandered outside. After a bit of roving around I walked out, and saw the lively girl still there. Stopped for a chat, and to cut a long story short, agreed 1000Bht ST.

So taxi to the hotel, chat on the way, and all very friendly. She's 25 years old, and has a job selling T-shirts in a market but needs some extra income occasionally. Into the room, and a quick drink, then we have our shower. I'm pretty tired after flying in, so ST is all I want, but I ask about LT anyway. She doesn't want to do LT (OK, no problem), and says for ST she will only stay 20 minutes. Wtf? I try to make a joke of it, but she is adamant that it's 20 minutes maximum. OK, it may only take 20 minutes, but I really really hate to be rushed and the thought of her lying there with a stopwatch in her hand was really off-putting. So I politely explain that 20 minutes wasn't enough, but she would certainly be on her way within the hour. She pulled a face, so I politely said that she could go or stay, and it was up to her. She then said 'Now I see your cock I want to go'. I am by no means unusually over-endowed...

OK, up to you. I am feeling totally deflated now, so we get dressed in silence, and I hold the door open for her. She then asks me for money. What, money for taxi? No, 1000Bht that we agreed. I am genuinely more puzzled than angered, and say that if she wants to stay and fuck then I am more than happy to pay her 1000Bht. If she wants to go then she can go. I probably would have offered her some taxi money, but she started saying that some men take her back to their room and don't fuck, but still give her money. I am really at a loss to know what to say. It is more than just trying it on, she really thinks that I should give her 1000Bht because she has come back to my room, even though I had barely touched her.

At this point I become 'A Very Bad Man' and she storms out of the room. That is the first time I've ever been called that. I follow a few moments later and see her flagging a cab down, but when I call to her she completely blanks me, gets in the cab and off out of my life.

I am still puzzled by it all. The odd thing is that from first seeing her to getting back to my room was well over an hour, plus 20 minutes or so chatting and showering. And yet she wasn't prepared to consider staying more than 20 minutes... Go figure.

[QUOTE=Linga]Well, I regularly hangout at a number of upscale soapies and am quite satisfied with the experience. Though a bit expensive. This was the first time I went to NEP and found that most of the girls are considerably younger than the ones at the massage joints plus they get naturally wet whereas most massage girls will use a gel. Next time I will also try the Soi Cowboy bars and of course the NEP besides my favorite massage joints and also try to bargain down the NEP ST rate to a maximum of 1. 5k. BTW, I don't really like LT.[/QUOTE]

That sounds better! ;) Don't dismiss freelancers and streetwalkers, there are some sweet and nice girls in this scene too you'll soon find out.

[QUOTE=Mouse1] It is more than just trying it on, she really thinks that I should give her 1000Bht because she has come back to my room, even though I had barely touched her.
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Ha, good one indeed!
Had a similar experience with a newbie beerbar girl from Naklua who basically fell asleep when we got back to my place (we had agreed on LT) WITHOUT having showered.
She woke up the next day, showered, put her clothes on and asked me for her 1K. I laughed and said "no honey, no money!" and she started undressing and said "OK can boom boom now!". No way for me of course and she was soon behind my door with her plastic bag. I found it both very amusing and weird though...

The girl's name is Gung who works at Baccara (sometimes). In terms of bar-fines etc. This girl has now reached status of being the 2nd top girl in the bar even though she doesn't turn up every day. She is very tallish, great smile, cute slim face and very pretty to farangs and mostly goes with farangs. This bar is not just for Japanese.

The bar probably has about 6 really pretty girls and a lot of more average but O. K. Girls. Not many real dogs.

Gung has very few new customers as many guys are booking her a week in advance. She quotes 4K long time and gets it without any trouble at all. Some guys will even tip higher. She would not bargain to 3K for example as she can make more than that with 2 short time encounters. Please don't bother to argue with me about the high price. I'm merely stating the facts about what a top girl can get easily. How many boyfriends? She doesn't know. Too many to count but probably none are proper boyfriends. Gung is clearly making well over 100K per month.

Gung's female friend rings up with great news. A guy took her (the friend) LT but didn't have sex at all. She was scared he wasn't going to pay. He gave the tip and she only checked later how much. The guy was incredibly generous in that he gave 6K just for her time with no sex.

O. K. I can hear some of you ISGers throwing up

One day an incredibly handsome man took Gung out from the bar and they went to a gay bar in Patpong vicinity. The handsome man then bar-fined a boy for the night. Gung got her fee for just being a guide, not that she would know the Patpong area at all.

Although gets lots of sex and claims to be a little bored with it all, she is still orgasmic and fun.

Hopefully now that she has covered all of the families debts, she will see fit to save heaps of money in the bank for a rainy day.

As it is, she gets to travel all round the country with all expenses paid by her clients, so doesn't need to use her own money that much.

Interestingly, if Gung doesn't show up to the bar, she doesn't have to pay the bar-fine as she gets no monthly salary at all. So she is like a free-lancer in a way. However to take out of the bar requires a bar-fine and she still makes drink commissions. Girls should try to sell drinks to help the bar even if the commissions are totally unimportant to them.

The life of a struggling bar-girl can be a little bit difficult but the very top girls have it excessively easy!

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Last night I went to a go-go for the 2nd time. The first time was 10 days ago. A girl came up to me and said she remembered me, told me where I sat last time, and asked me if I had gotten a haircut since then (I had).

How do they remember you so well? I almost wish they didn't, so I could go in a place anonymously and pick a new girl without the same ones trying to claim me.

Also, the same girl couldn't talk so well because she'd been to the dentist that day to have a tooth removed because she wanted to have a smaller face. WTF? Is this common amongst thai girls and does it actually make your face smaller?

Its a scam that some girls pull.

They know that farang hate to be pressured for time, and they also know many farang are too weak to argue and have a guilty feeling, so if they go to the room, rush them for time or say their dick is too big and then I would guess 7 times out of 10 they get 500B or 1000B as taxi money to go home. Easy money for doing nothing, even if they just get 500B each time. Thats a lot of money to these girls when your basic Thai secretary in a Thai company gets under 10K baht a month for working in an office.

Agree the time with the price!

Any freelancer you tell them "ok, short time, 2 hours, xxxx baht" plus anything else you want special.

If you do not you leave the door open to the scam artists.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]I had Saturday night to myself so decided to check out NEP and look for an AngelWitch regular, or failing that look for a car-park girl.

As I headed in to NEP I saw a very pretty and lively girl chatting to the ladyboys at the entrance. I had to step to one side and study for a few moments to convince myself that she wasn't a ladyboy. Anyway, went into AngelWitch but my regular girl wasn't there or had stopped working or something. So I was introduced to a new young girl - 18 years old and quite sweet. She had been working there 3 days. Really too young and too inexperienced for me, but I asked anyway, and she said 2000Bht + 600Bht for ST. How she kept a straight face I don't know...

Anyway, the mamasan pretty quickly dropped the price to 1500Bht, but I wasn't really tempted. So finished my drink and wandered outside. After a bit of roving around I walked out, and saw the lively girl still there. Stopped for a chat, and to cut a long story short, agreed 1000Bht ST.

So taxi to the hotel, chat on the way, and all very friendly. She's 25 years old, and has a job selling T-shirts in a market but needs some extra income occasionally. Into the room, and a quick drink, then we have our shower. I'm pretty tired after flying in, so ST is all I want, but I ask about LT anyway. She doesn't want to do LT (OK, no problem), and says for ST she will only stay 20 minutes. Wtf? I try to make a joke of it, but she is adamant that it's 20 minutes maximum. OK, it may only take 20 minutes, but I really really hate to be rushed and the thought of her lying there with a stopwatch in her hand was really off-putting. So I politely explain that 20 minutes wasn't enough, but she would certainly be on her way within the hour. She pulled a face, so I politely said that she could go or stay, and it was up to her. She then said 'Now I see your cock I want to go'. I am by no means unusually over-endowed...

OK, up to you. I am feeling totally deflated now, so we get dressed in silence, and I hold the door open for her. She then asks me for money. What, money for taxi? No, 1000Bht that we agreed. I am genuinely more puzzled than angered, and say that if she wants to stay and fuck then I am more than happy to pay her 1000Bht. If she wants to go then she can go. I probably would have offered her some taxi money, but she started saying that some men take her back to their room and don't fuck, but still give her money. I am really at a loss to know what to say. It is more than just trying it on, she really thinks that I should give her 1000Bht because she has come back to my room, even though I had barely touched her.

At this point I become 'A Very Bad Man' and she storms out of the room. That is the first time I've ever been called that. I follow a few moments later and see her flagging a cab down, but when I call to her she completely blanks me, gets in the cab and off out of my life.

I am still puzzled by it all. The odd thing is that from first seeing her to getting back to my room was well over an hour, plus 20 minutes or so chatting and showering. And yet she wasn't prepared to consider staying more than 20 minutes... Go figure.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mouse1]I had Saturday night to myself so decided to check out NEP and look for an AngelWitch regular, or failing that look for a car-park girl.

As I headed in to NEP I saw a very pretty and lively girl chatting to the ladyboys at the entrance. I had to step to one side and study for a few moments to convince myself that she wasn't a ladyboy. Anyway, went into AngelWitch but my regular girl wasn't there or had stopped working or something. So I was introduced to a new young girl. 18 years old and quite sweet. She had been working there 3 days. Really too young and too inexperienced for me, but I asked anyway, and she said 2000Bht + 600Bht for ST. How she kept a straight face I don't know.

Anyway, the mamasan pretty quickly dropped the price to 1500Bht, but I wasn't really tempted. So finished my drink and wandered outside. After a bit of roving around I walked out, and saw the lively girl still there. Stopped for a chat, and to cut a long story short, agreed 1000Bht ST.

So taxi to the hotel, chat on the way, and all very friendly. She's 25 years old, and has a job selling T-shirts in a market but needs some extra income occasionally. Into the room, and a quick drink, then we have our shower. I'm pretty tired after flying in, so ST is all I want, but I ask about LT anyway. She doesn't want to do LT (OK, no problem), and says for ST she will only stay 20 minutes. WTF? I try to make a joke of it, but she is adamant that it's 20 minutes maximum. OK, it may only take 20 minutes, but I really really hate to be rushed and the thought of her lying there with a stopwatch in her hand was really off-putting. So I politely explain that 20 minutes wasn't enough, but she would certainly be on her way within the hour. She pulled a face, so I politely said that she could go or stay, and it was up to her. She then said 'Now I see your cock I want to go'. I am by no means unusually over-endowed.

OK, up to you. I am feeling totally deflated now, so we get dressed in silence, and I hold the door open for her. She then asks me for money. What, money for taxi? No, 1000Bht that we agreed. I am genuinely more puzzled than angered, and say that if she wants to stay and fuck then I am more than happy to pay her 1000Bht. If she wants to go then she can go. I probably would have offered her some taxi money, but she started saying that some men take her back to their room and don't fuck, but still give her money. I am really at a loss to know what to say. It is more than just trying it on, she really thinks that I should give her 1000Bht because she has come back to my room, even though I had barely touched her.

At this point I become 'A Very Bad Man' and she storms out of the room. That is the first time I've ever been called that. I follow a few moments later and see her flagging a cab down, but when I call to her she completely blanks me, gets in the cab and off out of my life.

I am still puzzled by it all. The odd thing is that from first seeing her to getting back to my room was well over an hour, plus 20 minutes or so chatting and showering. And yet she wasn't prepared to consider staying more than 20 minutes. Go figure.[/QUOTE]Don't even bother trying to figure it out. I had a regular awhile back, one who was nothing but sweet and good mileage. Come over once and in the middle of doing it, about an hour in, says to me, "you have to finish now ST. " This had never happened before. I told her of this and reminded her that ST was not an hour, but the damage was done. She got dressed and demanded payment. Gave her 300 baht for a taxi. Next day one of her friends saw me and said, "we heard you bad man, gave only 300 baht to X for ST. " I told her "no, I gave her money for taxi, not ST. " Friend said, "oh" and went with me that night!

[QUOTE=The Pro]Its a scam that some girls pull.[/QUOTE]Yeah. They can try and pull whatever scam they like but I guess I was just very surprised that she was so angry when I wouldn't fall for it... She had no earnings all evening (she said), but definitely for at least 90 minutes. And for the sake of arguing over a few extra minutes she went home without any earnings.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]Yeah. They can try and pull whatever scam they like but I guess I was just very surprised that she was so angry when I wouldn't fall for it... She had no earnings all evening (she said), but definitely for at least 90 minutes. And for the sake of arguing over a few extra minutes she went home without any earnings.[/QUOTE]
Mouse, it is possible the anger was also a scam. Remember, these girls could win academy awards. She might very well have faked the anger, in the hopes you would fall for it, and hand over the loot.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]Yeah. They can try and pull whatever scam they like but I guess I was just very surprised that she was so angry when I wouldn't fall for it... She had no earnings all evening (she said), but definitely for at least 90 minutes. And for the sake of arguing over a few extra minutes she went home without any earnings.[/QUOTE]

Another possibliity, in the time between when you left Nana and when you got to the room, she could've got a text message from a regular (who she preferred to be with) to come and meet him, and so she was just trying to get something/anything out of you before taking off -- and maybe she actually did think the 20 minute fuck was a spendid solution to her problem. Damn money machine doesn't do what you want at the most inopportune moments (that would be you). Failing that, the ridiculous 20 minute request leads to an expected disagreement, leading right to her anger, which makes it easier for her to leave sooner rather than later. If that's how it was, she knew she had a guaranteed 1500 or 2000 or whatever waiting for her at her next destination, and here's you a one-timer as her only obstacle.

A lot of these girls are on drugs, and once they go past a certain point it's all about them and their needs. To them, you're the money machine. Your feelings only matter with regard to how they affect whether you dispense cash in the correct amounts or not, or dont' get in their way when another money machine beeps in.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Another possibility...[/QUOTE]Thanks to each for your comments. Makes me realise again how little I understand of (Thai) girls. It was a shame because I was really enjoying her company. Her name was Ann, btw, and she sells shirts from a stall in the daytime (hence her stated reluctance for LT) and she was hanging out with the ladyboys just in front of NEP, should anyone come across her.

Which reminds me, I went there again the following night with the Shrimp and sat at the bar at the entrance to NEP, watching the action. I had always assumed that the ladyboys stuck to one side of the road and the real ladies to the other, by the Nana carpark sign. I was admiring one particular slim attractive lady on the other side but the Shrimp assured me 'she' was a ladyboy... He/she crossed over and walked past a few minutes later, and I really could not tell... Was the Shrimp bullshitting me, or are there often ladyboys by the carpark sign? OK, I guess there are no hard and fast rules, so something of a stupid question..! :(

[QUOTE=Syzygies]Gung has very few new customers as many guys are booking her a week in advance. She quotes 4K long time and gets it without any trouble at all. Some guys will even tip higher. She would not bargain to 3K for example as she can make more than that with 2 short time encounters. Please don't bother to argue with me about the high price. I'm merely stating the facts about what a top girl can get easily. How many boyfriends? She doesn't know. Too many to count but probably none are proper boyfriends. Gung is clearly making well over 100K per month.[/QUOTE]I know a few girls well enough to ask them what is the most they have ever been paid for ST/LT. (And I'm just talking Beergarden, Nana carpark, etc freelancers here)

14,500 Bht for LT is the 'best' I have heard, closely followed by 9,000 Bht for a ST HJ shared by two girls.

Mind you, in value for money terms, a girl at Eden told me how one customer just had a wank whilst watching their lesbian antics, then left after half an hour.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]14,500 Bht for LT is the 'best' I have heard, closely followed by 9,000 Bht for a ST HJ shared by two girls. [/QUOTE]

2,000 USD for one weekend, two nights... equaled two shots on goal and about 10 total minutes of total sex time... plus shopping...

I know of a couple multiple thousand baht tips (10,000 baht plus) for just talking to girls... and the best is a 1,000 USD (yes USD) tip for a night of talking, no bar fine, no sex.

I'm sure Giotto / Aye has some whopper of reports if they cares to join in. And I know of some serious cash dropped at upscale clubs as well.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]
I know of a couple multiple thousand baht tips (10,000 baht plus) for just talking to girls... and the best is a 1,000 USD (yes USD) tip for a night of talking, no bar fine, no sex.
[/QUOTE]

And you forget the obvious: the (tens of) thousands of Farangs who western union 30K to 100K bahts a month for one or two hours of instant messaging a week and the occasional good night's SMS.

A slow day yesterday as the jet lag really kicked in. Tried to get a foot massage at my favorite place but they were booked up for the day. Said sat and sunday were always busy. So just relaxed much of the day.

Around 8 I started to wake up. Went to the sports bar and bought a round of drinks for the girls. One had very good english. Ended up bar fining her.

` I have to say that it was a good choice for me. This girl likes to go at it . My problem was i was running a little dry. I didn't care. Just poor the coals to it. Excellent responce from her in 3 positions. BBBj was on her list but didin't like daty. We fell asleep finally got up this morning and she left.

Over all not as exciting a day but the evening activities turned out very well.
Off to Phuket tomorrow so this afternoon I will take a bath to make sure everything is clean and ready to go.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]
Which reminds me, I went there again the following night with the Shrimp [/QUOTE]

Sorry I must've missed something: who's The Shrimp?

Mostly the ladyboys stay on the near side of the street but some will mix in over there on the opposite side from what I've seen. At the time NEP closes a ton more girls (mostly) show up over there at the car park, and from what I've seen some LB's will mix in amongst them. And on my last trip to BKK, I actually picked one up there who was short and skinny and very pretty and I was 98% sure it was a girl but not totally due mainly to the fact that there were a few LB's there and that she was talking off and on to one of them (her friend apparently). So... if she was a girl she was definitely the one there I wanted, so... I approached her and ASKED her "Are you a girl? Not ladyboy?" Awkward as hell but as soon as she spoke and I got a closer look at her, it was obvious she was no LB. It's annoying to have to deal with but... makes for some good stories some day, I guess. And it is a lot cheaper there. At least you can count on the ones on the near side near the entrance being ladyboys. Well, usually. ;)

[QUOTE=Wendella]Who's The Shrimp? [/QUOTE]You wouldn't have said that 40 years ago...! :) A famous fashion model from the swingin' sixties! ANd an uncanny resemblance I'm sure you'll agree.

OK, it's just my little joke. The Shrimp is... my TGF, but she's most definitely not my girl-friend; my 'gik', but she's a working girl and I pay her; my 'regular' when in Thailand, but that sounds a bit vague and impersonal. She's a delightful lady and a good friend. I don't say her name because I really don't want 10 people agreeing 'she's a good shag and takes it up the ass like a trooper'. :)

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]

I know of a couple multiple thousand baht tips (10,000 baht plus) for just talking to girls... and the best is a 1,000 USD (yes USD) tip for a night of talking, no bar fine, no sex.

[/QUOTE]
What venues?

[QUOTE=Amjeck]What venues?[/QUOTE]

BG (must have been drunk), Cowboy (Bacarra the most (Japanese)) and Soi 33 (old business guys)

Some girls I know at other bars have gotten some great tips. Seems a lot of girls I know really go for the 333 crowd...

[QUOTE=Mouse1]

I was admiring one particular slim attractive lady on the other side but the Shrimp assured me 'she' was a ladyboy... He/she crossed over and walked past a few minutes later, and I really could not tell...

([/QUOTE]

Is it possible to do a package check if you are not sure? Or would you get clocked if you tried. As long as he/she is not packing, don't see a problem, personally.

Inquiring Minds Want to Know.
Slim

Hello all,

First timer in BKK, short on time there, but would like to see some of the sights, Grand Palace, some of the markets, long tail boat trip, etc.

Have done a google search, but any of you out there use a particular company that gave a good half day, full day tour that you really enjoyed?

Staying near Nana, favourite beer garden?

Looking forward to some great tuk tuk tours, buying my very own tailored suits, and getting into the gem importing business!

Thanks for any advice, appreciate it!

Dameon

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]2,000 USD for one weekend, two nights... equaled two shots on goal and about 10 total minutes of total sex time... plus shopping...

I know of a couple multiple thousand baht tips (10,000 baht plus) for just talking to girls... and the best is a 1,000 USD (yes USD) tip for a night of talking, no bar fine, no sex.

I'm sure Giotto / Aye has some whopper of reports if they cares to join in. And I know of some serious cash dropped at upscale clubs as well.[/QUOTE]A lady I have known a long time once had a guy pay her 10, 000 not for sex, but for him to chuk wow and finish in her shoe! When she initially told him she wouldn't give up her shoes because that was dirty, he told her, "no problem, I will lick it up! " Said it was the easiest and most perverted 10, 000 baht she'd ever seen.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]BG (must have been drunk), Cowboy (Bacarra the most (Japanese)) and Soi 33 (old business guys)

Some girls I know at other bars have gotten some great tips. Seems a lot of girls I know really go for the 333 crowd...[/QUOTE]Dont tell Mr G - he will insist on it for the Lodge!

Arrived back in BKK on November 10 and checked into a suite at the Grand President on Soi 11. Nice suite with one bedroom, large livingroom, bar, small kitchen which included a washer and dryer.

Decided to stop by the Beer Garden on Soi 7 for a couple of drinks before heading over to the Nana Entertainment Plaza. Quite a few ladies in here tonight and a few that would qualify for a roll in the hay with but I was on a mission to hit the NEP.

First place I went in was Angle Witch and at once was approached by Wanita who in fact was the first girl I ever barfined in BKK 6 years ago. She is still working in Angel Witch. Anyway I bought her a drink and she recalled that I barfined her for 3 days on that first trip and took her to the J W Marriott. I told her yes, I remembered her and would barfine her tonight is 2,000 bt was good for long time. She said sure, that good. I go change and we go.

She returned in a few minutes and I paid trhe barfine and we were off to a couple of bars for a drink and then a short taxi ride to the Grand President.
She recalled that I had a ladies clothing business and asked if I brought some dresses which I told her I brought a few and would let her try on some and if she was good give her a few and some heels. She was all for that.

I would probably have kept her another night but the next morning when I gave her 2,000 bt which was the agreed price she changed the price to 3,000 bt. I said "Wait a minute, last nightr we agreed on 2,000 bt but she said no, I never go for 2,000 bt. She started getting really nasty.

I said well, ok, 3,000 bt it is but you don't get the 3 dresses or shoes you picked out last night and last night is the one and only night so here is the 3,000 bt and time to go.

You not going to take me to breakfast? "No, buy your own." "You give me taxi fare?" "No, Skytrain tight up the street" I am giving you that extra 1,000 bt just to leave. You were telling me how slow business has been and how few bar fines have been now you just cheated yourself out of another barfine plus dresses and shoes. Good luck.
She left.

The next day I stopped by the Beer Garden on Soi 7 for lunch around 1 pm and there were quite a few ladies present early. Talked with a couple of them and ended up buying lunch and a couple of beers for one who returned to the Grand President with me to play in the pool.

After the pool we played in the bed and took a short nap before going to dinner and then hitting a couple of clubs. Made sure I stopped in at Angle Witch so Wanita could see her replacement wearing one of the dresses she wanted and a pair of the heels.

That skin whitening cream look with the grey face freaks me the hell out. I'm really not into girls who look like Beetlejuice.

Someone needs to tell thai girls that they look way more sexy with their natural tan skin.

This girl was very entertaining and liked to try on sexy clothing and pose for the camera. The next day she started to have an attitude with the hotel staff to the point of being rude. I think she thought that being she was staying in the Royal Suite that made her the queen bee. That evening she left the hotel for about an hour and on her return refused to give her ID to the security guy at the door.

The security guy was kind enough to call me and ask me what he should do. I told him to follow hotel policy and send her packing which he did.

No dresses for this one. I had already paid her the 1,500 bt we had agreed on so she was on her own.

The next day I went to the Beer Garden again for lunch and met a cute little spinner named Nut. Nut actually has a real job, she works in the call center for an insurance company claims department in Bangkok. I would have kept Nut more than 2 nights but she had to be at work after the 2nd night. Good attitude and a real pleasure to be with. I could start to like this one.

She enjoyed dressing up sexy and left with 3 new dresses, 3 pair of heels, & 1 bikini. I paid her 3,000 bt for the 2 nights which was the agreed rate and gave her 500 bt for transportation ect.

The next day I returned to the Beer Garden for lunch. It had been 2 days since I picked up Nut there however she had to return to work this morning so I was single once again. I had just about finished lunch when a young lady came and set on the bar stool on my left.

She was not as pretty as some I have taken out of the Beer Garden but once I started talking to her I noticed that she had a really cute personality and seemed like she could be fun. After chatting with her for awhile I invited her to return to the Grand President for a dip in the pool. She said it sounded good to her so we were off to the hotel.

Pi said she would love to go swimming but she had no swim suit. I told her that would not be a problem as I had a few extras. Pi said she had never had a string bikini let alone a thong but she picked out a cute one and we were off to the pool. We were the only ones at the pool so she was not so shy with her new thong bikini and really looked cute in it.

After we returned from the pool Pi enjoyed going through the dress collection and picked out a sexy one that she wanted to wear that evening along with a sexy pair of heels. She looked hot.

[QUOTE=Capt JB]The next day I went to the Beer Garden again for lunch and met a cute little spinner named Nut. Nut actually has a real job, she works in the call center for an insurance company claims department in Bangkok. I would have kept Nut more than 2 nights but she had to be at work after the 2nd night. Good attitude and a real pleasure to be with. I could start to like this one.

She enjoyed dressing up sexy and left with 3 new dresses, 3 pair of heels, & 1 bikini. I paid her 3,000 bt for the 2 nights which was the agreed rate and gave her 500 bt for transportation ect.[/QUOTE]

I know Nut. I've never ST/LTed her but used to live near her place in Bangkapi (and of course I've seen her regularly at BG). She really is a nice person but by no means a "spinner".

[QUOTE=Mouse1]You wouldn't have said that 40 years ago...! :) A famous fashion model from the swingin' sixties! ANd an uncanny resemblance I'm sure you'll agree.

OK, it's just my little joke. The Shrimp is... my TGF, but she's most definitely not my girl-friend; my 'gik', but she's a working girl and I pay her; my 'regular' when in Thailand, but that sounds a bit vague and impersonal. She's a delightful lady and a good friend. I don't say her name because I really don't want 10 people agreeing 'she's a good shag and takes it up the ass like a trooper'. :)[/QUOTE]Your gik is s e x y!

In summary, the horror story is that a waitress at Climax took a fancy to me, and the feeling is not mutual. So this makes for a weird situation - can I or can I not return to Climax? Details below.

Sunday (last Sunday, not yesterday) at Climax was popping - lots of people, plenty of good looking girls, a genuine vibe going on. I went back for seconds on Monday night. Got in around 12:45am, and the place was noticeably slower. I mean, you could walk straight through to the back without having to nudge anyone out of your way, there were empty tables in the back, and the waiters/waitresses were standing around in bunches shooting the shit (for lack of customers). Monday is not a particularly good night to go to Climax, although I have to say there was still plenty of talent available.

My routine is usually to walk in through the doors, stop for 10 seconds and let the room acknowledge me, then slowly walk through the crowd, walking through the channel between the DJs booth and the stage. As I walk, I make sure to look at every thing that is below eye-level (anything above eye level is probably one of your hairy faces). I look and evaluate: is she really worth circling back for? Or is she in the 'perhaps' category? I rarely get a hit on this first pass, since the ones that stand in this walking corridor are usually those that need the most exposure. The real gems are hidden away in the pockets of the club, huddling with their friends, like gazelles on the Savannah (my second Africa reference?). I look nonetheless, since one may have strayed from its group and you could catch it while it is alone - a most unusual circumstance, but it never hurts to plan for it.

Once I get to the right-hand-bend that takes you around the other side of the DJs booth to the back of the club, I pause there, in this most-highly visible spot. This is Grand Central Station (or for you Los Angelenos, where the 10 meets the 5) for Climax - it's where you can get the most exposure as the most eyes are on you at that point. I have been picked up by girls several times right in that spot. It is such a powerful spot that I am careful in how I use it. If you go and plant yourself there, you may be viewed just as I view the urchins that plant themselves near the door - they need the exposure. So as to not seem desperate, I stand there for (at most) five minutes, often playing with my phone or doing something else to seem nonchalant (this is exactly where I played Ben Hur the other night).

Once I have gotten my dose of being seen (and hopefully admired by one or two), I turn and caste my gaze upon the thousands of eyeballs in the dark. This is a very stressful moment for me - you can see the outline of perhaps 50-60 people all facing you (and you assume scrutinizing you), and you can see the glare of the light on their eyeballs, but that's all you can see. So you don't know who they are, what their expressions are, or even if they are looking right at you. It's quite disconcerting. So I usually walk briskly through this part of the club right to the back and take a right turn behind the DJs booth. I often stop here for a moment, just to catch my breath after having run the gauntlet, and look around a little. The lighting is much better here and you can actually see faces. Also, you are behind everyone, and so you can see them all quite well. You have a view of the stage, as well as the entrance, and a good many other places. The crowd back here is often older and more worn, so it usually ain't a great place to hunt. But it's a great place to rest and feel secure.

Monday I was feeling a little vulnerable, not sure why, so I lingered back there, falsely believing that the security of this place would be my protector for the night. There was an empty table right there at the corner, so I sat down, and up popped a little waitress to take my ticket. 60 seconds later my drink arrived, and I set about nursing my vulnerability with some refreshing soda (no alcohol for me on this night). I got a text from a friend, so I pulled out my phone and started to fumble.

I looked up for just a moment, and in that very moment, I caught the eyes of someone walking past me at an angle. Her eyes were magnetic, very, very charming, and she stopped dead in her tracks - I mean, it was like she hit a brick wall the very second our eyes met. She had sexy eyes, a very sexy hair cut (straight, well cut, streaks down across her face). When she smiled, to my surprise, I saw braces...hmm, not a terribly common occurrence in these parts. And I, stupidly but instinctively, smiled back. She giggled and walked on. Only then, with utter horror and disbelief, did I realize just how frikkin stupid I had been. It turns out, she is a waitress at Climax - I just didn't recognize her outfit until after she had left.

So 3 minutes later, I see her spying at me from around someone else. I tried to ignore her. A few minutes after that, she walks past me and gives me the 'You're Mine' look. Ugh. And a few minutes later, a hostess (dressed in those hot pink dresses) walks up to me and says to me:
'She laaayg you'.
'Umm, sorry?'
'She laaaaayg yoooouu.'
'Oh, she likes me. That's nice.'
'You laayg her?'
'Umm, I don't actually know her, so it's hard for me to-'
'Good, she laayg you wery much. She good girl.'

She turns around and motions the girl over to us. And along she comes, smiling like a cat that has just found a mouse to play with. She holds out her hand and says 'You wery handsummmm man.'

'Oh, well, thank you but-'
'I see you look to me, you laayg me?'
'Umm, I... but-'
'Good, my name xxxx.'

Thereupon we started the regular small talk (where you from, you here for business or holiday, you like Thailand, when you go back, etc.). This lasted an agonizing 10 minutes, at the end of which she grabbed my phone and entered her phone number, called it, and said 'there, now you have my number.'

So I made up a story about how my friend is on the other side of the club, let me go look for him. I scamper outta there to the other corner of the club and hide in a mass of people. 10 minutes pass and I begin to feel more comfortable. I look around and see loads and loads of good looking girls. Not all of them are my type (most are skinny little things - I prefer just a little bit of meat with my veggies, thanks very much). But nonetheless, things are looking reasonable at this point.

Then I get a yank on my sleeve - it's HER! She found me! 'Where you fend?'
'Umm, he, umm, I think, umm, well, see, it's like this-'
'Ok, you come back, we talk, ok?'
'Umm, no, not ok, I will wait here for my friend, I will come back there soon, ok?'

She agrees and walks away. I suddenly had a vision, a flash of the future. My mind's eye was floating over the dance floor at Climax looking down at a sea of black-haired little heads, all bobbing in an uncoordinated arhythmic mass. But there was a gap in the crowd, and as my mind's eye closed in, I saw that it was a body. I closed in further, and in a somewhat unsurprising twist, I saw the body was my own. I was lying there in the classic 'fell from high building pose': lying on my back, hands to the side, head turned to the left, and right leg crooked backwards at the knee. As I watched my rotting carcass, I realized I needed to do something to avoid this fate of mine.

So I booked it outta there. I pushed my way through the crowd, stepping on some feet on the way, breathing desperately, looking over my shoulder at every turn, wondering if she would leap out at me and scream 'You LAAAAAAYYYYYGGGGG MEEEEEEE!' I got to the door, and as I opened it, that same hostess who had so kindly hooked me up with this waitress girl was standing there. 'Where you go? xxxx is looking for you.'

'Oh really? I looked for her and could not see her. Say goodbye for me, wouldja?'

And off I ran.

So what does this mean? Is Climax off limits to me now? Well, I don't think so. The next day, as I am getting it on with a really cute girl I met here in August, this waitress calls me. I ignore it, of course. She then texts me, which I also ignore.

Then later in the evening, when my load had been blown and I could think more clearly, I texted her back and told her that it is not going to work. It's now been more than 24 hours since that text, no response, which I assume means she got the message.

UPDATE: Since writing this report, it has been more than a week, and as you will see in subsequent reports, the horror story has managed to resolve itself. Basically, I ignored her and she got the message. Now she comes by and squeezes my arm and blows air kisses to me sometimes, but nothing more than that. Still pretty annoying, but at least it is not a full-on stalking case. And it does not get in the way of my hunting activities, which is most important.

[Her eyes were magnetic, very, very charming, and she stopped dead in her tracks - I mean, it was like she hit a brick wall the very second our eyes met. She had sexy eyes, a very sexy hair cut (straight, well cut, streaks down across her face). When she smiled, to my surprise, I saw braces...hmm, not a terribly common occurrence in these parts. And I, stupidly but instinctively, smiled back. She giggled and walked on. 'She laaayg you'.

'Umm, sorry?'
'She laaaaayg yoooouu.'
'Oh, she likes me. That's nice.'
'You laayg her?'
'Umm, I don't actually know her, so it's hard for me to-'
'Good, she laayg you wery much. She good girl.'

She turns around and motions the girl over to us. And along she comes, smiling like a cat that has just found a mouse to play with. She holds out her hand and says 'You wery handsummmm man.'

'Oh, well, thank you but-'
'I see you look to me, you laayg me?'
'Umm, I... but-'
'Good, my name xxxx.'

The girl was pretty! What put you, Handsumm. Must be the "braces".

I guess! Liked your well written prose, by the way.

I'm wondering if someone can tell me the best place to buy Viagra (or better yet, the generic equiv. from India) in BKK. I don't want to overpay and I don't want to wind up with fake Vitamins, either. So if anyone can point me in a good direction, thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Some American]I'm wondering if someone can tell me the best place to buy Viagra (or better yet, the generic equiv. from India) in BKK. I don't want to overpay and I don't want to wind up with fake Vitamins, either. So if anyone can point me in a good direction, thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Almost ANY pharmacy will sell the Kamagra 100mg 4 pack for 400 baht (some might be less). The real generic Kamagra is cheap enough that real pharmacies don't have any reason to sell bogus stuff. Personally, I found a place in Pattaya on 2nd road on soi 1 across the street from Big C that sold the 4 pack for 300 baht and I bought 3 of 'em. Since a half tab lasts me a day, that was a 24 day supply and I still have one of the 4-packs left. I wish I'd bought more because Kamagra's not available in the US except from sketchy illegal mail order operations out of Mexico.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]Personally, I found a place in Pattaya on 2nd road on soi 1 across the street from Big C that sold the 4 pack for 300 baht [/QUOTE]

250 bahts on soi white rose (or soi BJ, not sure anymore which one) in a small pharmacy on the right side of the soi when coming from 2nd road and going to walking street. That's their price, no haggling necessary.
In Bangkok, the least I've paid was 350 after negotiating.
Never seen any Indian zeagra or seagra in Thailand.

Welcome back to LOS, Captain. it has been a while.

Thanks for the reports, and the pics. Post them anywhere you want. I like the reports with the pics, one doesn't need to jump around, trying to understand the stories.

Keep 'em coming.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]In summary, the horror story is that a waitress at Climax took a fancy to me, and the feeling is not mutual. So this makes for a weird situation - can I or can I not return to Climax? .[/QUOTE]

You're joking, right? Who would spend all this time to write such a long winded post re some weirdo waitress......what should we expect if you pick up a weirdo p4p somewhere?

[QUOTE=1Ball]Welcome back to LOS, Captain. it has been a while.
Keep 'em coming.[/QUOTE]

+1, nice photos!

[QUOTE=The Scout]Your gik is s e x y![/QUOTE]Yes. She is. And the more time I spend with her the more sexy I find her.

[QUOTE=Evianist]That skin whitening cream look with the grey face freaks me the hell out. I'm really not into girls who look like Beetlejuice.

Someone needs to tell thai girls that they look way more sexy with their natural tan skin.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure that flash photography makes it worse. I have been with girls who look perfectly normal in the flesh, but when I take their photo they look, as you say, like Beetlejuice.

Incidentally, I'm running a one-man campaign to convince Thai girls that brown-is-best. So no more whitening cream, and no more hats, long-sleeved jackets and jeans whilst strolling along the beach!#

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=851487&postcount=1162[/url]

[QUOTE=Mouse1]Incidentally, I'm running a one-man campaign to convince Thai girls that brown-is-best. So no more whitening cream, and no more hats, long-sleeved jackets and jeans whilst strolling along the beach!#[/QUOTE]Please do. I'm not very attracted to white asian girls, but tan/brown asian girls are gorgeous. If only the girls stopped trying to be so white.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]I'm pretty sure that flash photography makes it worse. I have been with girls who look perfectly normal in the flesh, but when I take their photo they look, as you say, like Beetlejuice.

Incidentally, I'm running a one-man campaign to convince Thai girls that brown-is-best. So no more whitening cream, and no more hats, long-sleeved jackets and jeans whilst strolling along the beach!#

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=851487&postcount=1162[/url][/QUOTE]
+1 for no more whitening cream! You are who you are, you can change many things except the color of your skin so people should embrace it.

[QUOTE=Kumbu][/QUOTE]Kumbu, what a greenhorn you are.

All mistakes are on your side. Don't think about your moves as if this is rocket science. It isn't. Everything the girl did was nice and perfectly dosed p4p FLing. You made a big thing out of it. Relax man, you thing too mutt.

BTW. I loved this involving of a middleman(woman) in her plan of action. Asian style at it's best. We all should make more use of this brilliant strategy.

The perfectly effective and friendly way to say the wonderfull word "No" in LOS p4p is "I'm waiting for my g/f. " or something along this line. They will understand and accept this in most cases. After all, it's not even a lie. If you deliver it with a nice smile you can even leave a door open to support any ambiguity of your ambitions.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]You're joking, right? Who would spend all this time to write such a long winded post re some weirdo waitress......what should we expect if you pick up a weirdo p4p somewhere?[/QUOTE]

Point well taken. First, though, I make no apologies for the long-windedness of the post, nor any other of my posts - that's the way I write. Don't like it? Don't read it, or put me on your Ignore list, or report me to Jackson.

I thought about posting that piece, knowing full well that it was unusual and perhaps pointless (to some, such as yourself). But decided to post it anyway because I post what I would like to read myself. Even experiences like this are instructive (to some). Also, I had already typed the damned thing!

[QUOTE=Kumbu] put me on your Ignore list
[/QUOTE]

It wasn't the long winded report but the request for advice that got me. Anyway, will do, as per your request :D

[QUOTE=Some American]I'm wondering if someone can tell me the best place to buy Viagra (or better yet, the generic equiv. from India) in BKK. I don't want to overpay and I don't want to wind up with fake Vitamins, either. So if anyone can point me in a good direction, thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]


A reliable place to purchase is a pharmacy on Sukhumvit near Nana.
At the corner between soi4 (Nana) and Sukhumvit you will find a petrol station.Next to this there is a money changer (Siam City) and then there will follow 2 drugstores. You have to go to the second one (Larger one, Nearer to J.W. Marriott). I regularly get there my generics (Penegra = Via; Apcalis=Cialis).
Buy and enjoy life !!
FV.

I've noticed that every go-go in bangkok plays the same 10 songs on repeat every night. Maybe this explains why many of the girls look so bored and just shuffle back and forth.

Is there any reason they don't play some different songs?

Would any of these places be open to letting a farang take over the DJing for the night?

I use to buy in Soi 22, almost in front of the soi. 1600Bath for one box - original Viagra

[QUOTE=Some American]I'm wondering if someone can tell me the best place to buy Viagra (or better yet, the generic equiv. from India) in BKK. I don't want to overpay and I don't want to wind up with fake Vitamins, either. So if anyone can point me in a good direction, thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Evianist]I've noticed that every go-go in bangkok plays the same 10 songs on repeat every night. Maybe this explains why many of the girls look so bored and just shuffle back and forth.[/QUOTE]Or, just possibly, the girls are sick of looking at drooling [i]farang[/i] men. You've been in every go-go bar?

[QUOTE]Is there any reason they don't play some different songs?[/QUOTE]Most go-go girls can't count higher than 10. Is this a trick question?

[QUOTE]Would any of these places be open to letting a farang take over the DJing for the night?[/QUOTE]Sure, if you buy the club! You could combine it with an Isaan FOB go-go dancing academy...

[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor]A reliable place to purchase is a pharmacy on Sukhumvit near Nana.
At the corner between soi4 (Nana) and Sukhumvit you will find a petrol station.Next to this there is a money changer (Siam City) and then there will follow 2 drugstores. You have to go to the second one (Larger one, Nearer to J.W. Marriott). I regularly get there my generics (Penegra = Via; Apcalis=Cialis).
Buy and enjoy life !!
FV.[/QUOTE]

So do I, including my preferred Apcalis. FYI, they seem to have many other types of otherwise prescription meds available too.

[QUOTE=Sainter21]So do I, including my preferred Apcalis. FYI, they seem to have many other types of otherwise prescription meds available too.[/QUOTE]I guess Im part of the same gang that goes there. Also they sell a great generic alternative to Zovirax ( an anti herpes cream ).

[QUOTE=Some American]I'm wondering if someone can tell me the best place to buy Viagra (or better yet, the generic equiv. from India) in BKK. I don't want to overpay and I don't want to wind up with fake Vitamins, either. So if anyone can point me in a good direction, thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]At the recommended pharmacy, they sell Kamagra in strips of 4.. they also sell kamagra jelly in packets of 5.

[QUOTE=Evianist]I've noticed that every go-go in bangkok plays the same 10 songs on repeat every night. Maybe this explains why many of the girls look so bored and just shuffle back and forth.

Is there any reason they don't play some different songs?

Would any of these places be open to letting a farang take over the DJing for the night?[/QUOTE]
Actually different go-gos have different styles of music.
One was playing a lot of hip-hop :( (Rainbow 4)
Another had a lot of techno/house. (Baccara)
Another had ancient rock and latin :) for oldies like me. (Long Gun)
Another even have some Issan mor-ram (folk dance) late in the evening. (Suzi Wong, Angel Witch)

Not every gogo plays the same music at all, even if certain Lady Gaga songs seem incredibly popular.

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]Not every gogo plays the same music at all, even if certain Lady Gaga songs seem incredibly popular.[/QUOTE]

My ass

They play that "damn, you's a sexy *****" song
Then they play Black eyed peas "boom boom boom"
Then "I want to make love right now now now"
Then lady gaga
Then black eyed peas again, "tonight's gonna be a good good night"

Starts to drive you nuts if you go to a few places in the same night and hear the same songs 3 or 4 times


I'd love to see the girls dancing to some new interesting music

[QUOTE=Evianist]My ass

They play that "damn, you's a sexy *****" song
Then they play Black eyed peas "boom boom boom"
Then lady gaga
Then black eyed peas again, "tonight's gonna be a good good night"

Starts to drive you nuts if you go to a few places in the same night and hear the same songs 3 or 4 times


I'd love to see the girls dancing to some new interesting music[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure I know these songs ;)
Black Eyed Peas, I only know "Shuddap" and "Your Humps". Not a big hip-hop fan.

[QUOTE=Evianist]My ass

They play that "damn, you's a sexy *****" song
Then they play Black eyed peas "boom boom boom"
Then lady gaga
Then black eyed peas again, "tonight's gonna be a good good night"

Starts to drive you nuts if you go to a few places in the same night and hear the same songs 3 or 4 times


I'd love to see the girls dancing to some new interesting music[/QUOTE]

Dont you think its because this is the most popular music all over right now?? I heard these songs all the time in november last year and came to like them a lot, but of course they gets boring after hearing them a couple of 100 times...

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol]Dont you think its because this is the most popular music all over right now?? I heard these songs all the time in november last year and came to like them a lot, but of course they gets boring after hearing them a couple of 100 times...[/QUOTE]

All I'm saying is why can't they have just one bar that plays some stuff that isn't so mainstream and obvious?

Bring in some real DJs once in a while

If you're a venue where music is being played for 6 hours or so every night, you'd think you'd put a little effort into making it interesting

Seems like it would liven the atmosphere a bit

[QUOTE=Evianist]If you're a venue where music is being played for 6 hours or so every night, you'd think you'd put a little effort into making it interesting[/QUOTE]

Some bars I will admit repeat their songs. There was one bar I went to that I could guarantee that I'd hear 10 songs played in the evening. Just drove me nuts. They had a music library of multiple thousands but the mamasan would repeatedly play the same music.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Bring in some real DJs once in a while[/QUOTE]

You know, some of those old gogos in Patpong have DJs that lay down a surprisingly good electro vibe sometimes.

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]I'm not sure I know these songs ;)
Black Eyed Peas, I only know "Shuddap" and "Your Humps". Not a big hip-hop fan.[/QUOTE]

Shut Up is old. Actually "My Humps" is too, and it's the girl singer Fergie's solo single, not the group's. They had a new album out this past year which went straight to top of charts (as theirs usually do). But it's always been like that, when something's hot it gets played to death. I remember days when I thought if I heard "Thriller" one more time I'd puke.

I barely notice what they're playing. Weirdest was once in that one biggish Phuket gogo (includes "rock" in the name) they were playing some old Paul McCartney like Admiral Halsey or something like that. Bizarre.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]You know, some of those old gogos in Patpong have DJs that lay down a surprisingly good electro vibe sometimes.[/QUOTE]


That sounds delightful after what they've been hammering into my head


I WANT TO MAKE LOVE RIGHT NOW NOW NOW

Getting in around 1am, out again at 8am. Could just taxi it to Nana, but it'll be a bit late, is there anything closer to the airport at that hour?

Thanks

I realize individual mileage varies with everything, even pricing. Nonetheless I'd like to get a basic idea of the general "going rate" with the after hour club freelancers.. both Thai and non Thai. I know there are some Russians and Uzbeks, former FSU girls around as well and I suspect their prices will be higher but I'd like to know what to generally expect.

thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Minuteman]One of my friends told me to check at Bar Su (1st floor, street level) at the Sheraton.

Went on Wednesday, which is ladies night, so there was a good size crowd there. Ladies are eligible to buy inexpensive wine and champagne by the glass.

The circular bar was filled with women, all going out of their way to smile at you. They won't approach you but the smiles are their invitation to come talk to them.

All the women were very well dressed in sexy dresses and every one I talked to spoke excellent English. I wasn't impressed though. Most of the women were in their 30's and I'd say most of them were 6's and 7's. If not for the nice outfits, I wouldn't even give any of them a second look.

To add insult to injury, all these mediocre, borderline fuck candidates were asking for the moon. One told me 5,000 for ST and the other quoted me 3,000. Fuck that.

I doubt I will ever go again. Tuna fish at caviar prices is not my idea of a good deal.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone knows if the ladies who service in the Bar Su are willing to go with you (after work off course)?
Some of the seems pretty hot and flirt and joke with you.
End November and during December I was frequently around the Asoke part and visited the Sheraton Bar Su very often, for some drinks before going to Spasso etc.
On a certain day on the street in front of Robinson, around 6 PM, I saw a girl in black robe and red shoes (the Su dress) and through our eyes we recognizes but did not recognize, we smiled but each other followed our way. She looked a couple of time back and I did the same, followed the girl on her way to the Sheraton (over the bridges) and .....there I lost her!
Later that evening I saw how stupid I was, I recognized the Su dress but could not found the girl I saw earlier that day.

Soon I will be back in BKK and will try if they are willing to spend some hours with me after work :)

It would be nice to hear if others have some similar experience.

[QUOTE=Evianist]That sounds delightful after what they've been hammering into my head


I WANT TO MAKE LOVE RIGHT NOW NOW NOW[/QUOTE]One former friend had that as a ringtone. I used to dread phoning her for that reason. :(

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]
Another even have some Issan mor-ram (folk dance) late in the evening. (Suzi Wong, Angel Witch)
[/QUOTE]

Quite like that spot, usually just before closing, when some bars play old Thai standards. Love to watch the girls do their bit of traditional dance, which they usually do with a lot more energy and animation than they put into go-go numbers.

Few years back a favourite Thai bar song was 'Welcome to Thailand' by Carabao. I heard it so many times that it wormed its way into my head and I went out and bought the album. When I got home, I used to play it when I was pissed up and getting a little maudlin for the LOS and all those Thai honeys so far away:(.

Are there spas in Bangkok similar to Sands in Jakarta that have workout facilities, steam room, sauna, buffet, massage, etc. Also, what about Pattaya? I'm familiar with Silom Sauna in Pattaya but are there others?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=M_Charlus]is there anything closer to the airport at that hour?[/QUOTE]

You could taxi around Sri Nakarin and Thepparak road and look for neon .. there are fancy places and hole in the wall KTVs and at least one fishbowl massage place, on Thepparak. No idea what's still open after 1am. Likely to be much more confusing and unpredictable. Better know some Thai.

Outside Robinson you find all kinds of street walkers, I cannot say for sure if a particular girl from Sheraton bar would indulge, but yes the point you are referring is a pick up point.

If she was smiling and looking back, you should have been chivalorous and offered her a drink, anyway, there is a always a second time

Cheers!

On a certain day on the street in front of Robinson, around 6 PM, I saw a girl in black robe and red shoes (the Su dress) and through our eyes we recognizes but did not recognize, we smiled but each other followed our way. She looked a couple of time back and I did the same, followed the girl on her way to the Sheraton (over the bridges) and. There I lost her!

Later that evening I saw how stupid I was, I recognized the Su dress but could not found the girl I saw earlier that day.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]...
Few years back a favourite Thai bar song was 'Welcome to Thailand' by Carabao...[/QUOTE]

Actually, the name of the song by Carabao is "[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uRbotzAAFk"]Made in Thailand[/url]". "[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMZw4IeYrbs"]How are you? (Welcome to Thailand)[/url]" is a song by Pamela Bowden.

[QUOTE=Catire]I realize individual mileage varies with everything, even pricing. Nonetheless I'd like to get a basic idea of the general "going rate" with the after hour club freelancers.. both Thai and non Thai...[/QUOTE]

About the "going rate" with local freelancers in Bangkok, I wrote a report a few weeks ago which contains some information about what I pay with them usually: [post]973863[/post]

I don't go often with Caucasian P4P girls here, but their rates are often twice the price that you would pay with local girls in the same area / kind of venues.

[QUOTE=Goyave]About the "going rate" with local freelancers in Bangkok, I wrote a report a few weeks ago which contains some information about what I pay with them usually: [post]973863[/post]

I don't go often with Caucasian P4P girls here, but their rates are often twice the price that you would pay with local girls in the same area / kind of venues.[/QUOTE]

thanks. I'm just curious how much of a premium would an after hours club freelancer (e.g. Oscar, Bossy, etc) charge vs your usual Beergarden girl.
I suspect there is definitely a premium, as they tend to be younger and more attractive.

if I remember correctly last time I was in BKK the one time I chatted up a fairly hot Russian girl, she later quoted me a price of around 4000 baht

[QUOTE=Catire]thanks. I'm just curious how much of a premium would an after hours club freelancer (e.g. Oscar, Bossy, etc) charge vs your usual Beergarden girl.
I suspect there is definitely a premium, as they tend to be younger and more attractive.

if I remember correctly last time I was in BKK the one time I chatted up a fairly hot Russian girl, she later quoted me a price of around 4000 baht[/QUOTE]

Oscar? Sorry know only Oscar in Pattaya.
Bossy, Spicy, Boss, Climax and the like: going rate is 2K LT. I've had some for 1,5K too.
The only places where there really is a premium are Spasso, Q bar, CM2, etc.

[QUOTE=Goyave]Actually, the name of the song by Carabao is "[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uRbotzAAFk"]Made in Thailand[/url]". "[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMZw4IeYrbs"]How are you? (Welcome to Thailand)[/url]" is a song by Pamela Bowden.[/QUOTE]

No its 'Welcome to Thailand' ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYXe7afFyzc&feature=related[/url]). The song starts with the exhortation “WELCOME TO THAILAND’ and the sound of 50+ bargirls screaming this at 200 decibels, as they did every time it played, is not something I would likely to soon forget:D.

The song was quite controversial at the time when so much foreign currency was pouring into the country through its largely single male tourist industry (otherwise only backpackers) and before the Thai economy had really taken off.

Some nice shots of 80's vintage pre-development Hua Hin on the video.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]No its 'Welcome to Thailand' ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYXe7afFyzc&feature=related[/url])...[/quote]

Oh, yes! You're right! Sorry, I almost forgot the actual title of this other song and thought that you were speaking about "Made in Thailand" by the same band, which is probably their most famous hit.

[QUOTE=Catire]thanks. I'm just curious how much of a premium would an after hours club freelancer (e.g. Oscar, Bossy, etc) charge vs your usual Beergarden girl.
I suspect there is definitely a premium, as they tend to be younger and more attractive.

if I remember correctly last time I was in BKK the one time I chatted up a fairly hot Russian girl, she later quoted me a price of around 4000 baht[/QUOTE]

I usually select the younger and most attractive girls among the freelancers, and you might also find them in several other "regular" places as they often go dance and party in the clubs too. No premium then as they are exactly the same girls in an other place, but for the occasional freelancers that you may meet in clubs and almost only there, prices are probably a bit higher (I would say between 25 to 50% higher than a "pro" of comparable age and beauty if you have a good chemistry with them, but you would probably have to pay twice the price - or even more - of a "pro" if the occasional P4P girl doesn't really fancy you).

Got a few cute Eastern European girls in the (not too ancient) past for 2000 baht (LT) in Pattaya, but as mentioned earlier, it's not really what I am hunting when I'm in Thailand...

I need to entertain a customer in BKK in April and am looking for a bar/club where they have sexy shows but somewhat more upscale than Nana or Soi Cowboy.
I was thinking about The Bank (never been there) but the website says they only have a show once a week.
Any good ideas?

Patpong.
Things seem rather quiet in the “Pong.”
Some of the bars (including 2 “upstairs bars” with sex shows) are offering Happy Hour prices of 50 Baht bottled beer before 10.00 P.M. Also lady drinks are 55 Baht during this time (and no catches)
Makes a change from the usual Thai logic thing of “Have no customer so must increase price!!!”

Enjoy,
Hotman.

[QUOTE=Fredo24]I need to entertain a customer in BKK in April and am looking for a bar/club where they have sexy shows but somewhat more upscale than Nana or Soi Cowboy.
I was thinking about The Bank (never been there) but the website says they only have a show once a week.
Any good ideas?[/QUOTE]

Take him to a Gentleman's club. Will be much more expensive and the shows will be less sexy than at, say Suzie Wong but your customer will like it for sure.
Caribbean comes to mind, haven't been for a long time but the shows are impressive.

[QUOTE=Fredo24]I need to entertain a customer in BKK in April and am looking for a bar/club where they have sexy shows but somewhat more upscale than Nana or Soi Cowboy.
I was thinking about The Bank (never been there) but the website says they only have a show once a week.
Any good ideas?[/QUOTE]Pegasus Club.

No sexy show, but stylish.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Goyave]Oh, yes! You're right! Sorry, I almost forgot the actual title of this other song and thought that you were speaking about "Made in Thailand" by the same band, which is probably their most famous hit.[/QUOTE]

Both songs appear on the same album - Super 3 Cha - great album, great group. They play around Suk every now and then - Climax last year and Hillary Bar a coupe years ago - lot of fun watching the girls really enjoying themselves.

back in thailand after a gap of several years. things that hit me:[list][*]getting off the plane at the suvarnabhumi airport, wondered why the a/c wasn't working. when i stepped outside, realized it was - hit with a blast of hot and humid air, and this at midnight. much more than i remember at this time of year. sweating just from pushing a baggage cart. the open, industrial look of the airport might be "style", but certainly leaves a lot of space to cool. preferred don mueang, even with its age.

[*]the x-ray on arrival brought back memories of dubai, though in bangkok, seemed pretty random. bit of a suprise when i was "selected"...

[*]the benefits of hot and humid everywhere you look: mini's or shorts. nothing like a sea of female legs to make you feel alive. and the thai's certainly know how to dress.

[*]the walk down sukhumvit still almost impossible with all the street stalls. number of middle eastern families in typical "sortie" mode: just about every bmo (black moving object) pushing a baby carriage, followed by an empty handed husband eyeing the street candy, followed by the indonesian maid carrying multiple bags of purchases...

[*]number of fl's a block each side of sukhumvit robinson's - damn, i must be getting older, because they certainly looked younger...

[*]traffic back to the horror it was in the mid-nineties. can't imagine what it would be like without the skytrain.

[*]soi cowboy quite the sea of neon. enjoyed sitting outside, watching the passing parade. customer/server departures, with the server returning within the hour, brought back memories of dubai's cylone. from observation, seemed like st was the preferred mo, especially for the lookers (guess no surprise there, but i do remember when lt was preferred way back when).

[*]soi 7's bier garten still the same. mostly nothing to be interested in, but did spot a few attractive ones, even a stunner (caution: driving glasses left at home, so that observation might be flawed.)

[*]exchange rate bit of a shock - closer to the old, pegged days of 25/usd than the low forties i remember. were those high 50's only a fantasy...?

[*]must have reached that age of becoming a "secondary" target, rather than a primary one, but i prefer to think of the reason as acknowledgement of my "experienced" look.

[*]had a shave and haircut. had a hard time finding my old barbershop on sukhumvit between soi's 5 and 7 - really hemmed in by all the street carts, and several shops to try and pick out "the" one from, but did finally find it. afterwards, same bar, 2nd night, much improved "attention" from staff. they were a bit embarassed when i pointed out i had been in the night before, and it's a small bar (5 star, live music, on soi cowboy). no comparison to dubai's seaview band, but good enough here.

[*]obvious to non-newbies, buying a lady drink improves attention, but she has to show some initiative before the drink is forthcoming, and it has to be a lot more than "you buy me ladydrink?"

[*]tia maria's seems to have left to be re-incarnated as some other country's resteraunt. crap mexican food, but did have decent and relatively cheap pitchers of margaritas.

[*]no problem t-shirt store still there in mbk, but their top notch designer seems to have left - bland selection.

[*]stopped by [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s just because it was convenient - sol has [b]no[/b] reason to worry about competition. ok service, just wish i had heeded the posting about taking a minute or 2 to make your selection from the bench outside rather than walking in and getting the "next up" girl. service sufficient for the task at hand, but saw a better looking one come in with another customer 5 minutes later.

[*]fast pace walk down soi cowboy at 8pm on a weeknight, at least 10 very attractive girls seen, with a couple of head turners.[/list]
summary: bkk stays the same. you can be gone a month, or gone years, but the fun and smiles there when you return.

[QUOTE=Minuteman]One of my friends told me to check at Bar Su (1st floor, street level) at the Sheraton.

Went on Wednesday, which is ladies night, so there was a good size crowd there. Ladies are eligible to buy inexpensive wine and champagne by the glass.

The circular bar was filled with women, all going out of their way to smile at you. They won't approach you but the smiles are their invitation to come talk to them.

All the women were very well dressed in sexy dresses and every one I talked to spoke excellent English. I wasn't impressed though. Most of the women were in their 30's and I'd say most of them were 6's and 7's. If not for the nice outfits, I wouldn't even give any of them a second look.

To add insult to injury, all these mediocre, borderline fuck candidates were asking for the moon. One told me 5,000 for ST and the other quoted me 3,000. Fuck that.

I doubt I will ever go again. Tuna fish at caviar prices is not my idea of a good deal.[/QUOTE]What you must appreciate is that there are many different "scenes" in Bangkok.

Some people complain that go-go girls are too expensive.

Some complain that Bar Su are too expensive.

Some complain that Internet girls (escorts) are too expensive.


However, they all target their specified customers.


Bar Su girls target the lazy business man, who does not want to go outside to find a girl, who wants to buy a few drinks in the hotel bar, sign it on his expense account and then take the girl up to his room, minimal hassle. Therefore they can charge anything from 3K to 5K for short time.

Internet Escorts mostly target Muslim business travellers, the ones who cannot be seen to go outside and pick up a girl, so they are limited to phone call booking of escorts, which is why these Escort girls ask for high prices, and get it.


There are many scenes and many reasons why.

I have been going to nana hotel for about the last five years.

Tonight I had some guests over for tea in my room. Actually we were having some fun. It was eight guests and yes one was a bar girl. Not all of the girls were bar girls. Including my wife from the Philippines.

Nana security does take I'd cards from guests to the rooms. So my female guests left their I'd cards with the security desk before going to my room

We were in the room maybe two hours and returned to the security desk to get the girls I'd cards back and go to eat a late snack.

Security did not have the I'd cards and said they were being checked by the police and the information was photo copied and they were not returned yet.

We went to the front desk and the manager at the desk said the police were taking all guest information from them and that if we wait then the girls were get their I'd card returned.

One of my friends was not happy and asked more questions of security why they would keep information on guests. And security told him that all guests are prostitudes and the police would have the information on the guests.

Now I am aware of the necessity of security with guests and some guests can be theives and more. But to send information on all female guests to the police and report them as prostitudes is amazing?

I am very confused as to why and what purpose they are doing this.

Two of my female guests have never worked in a bar nor have they ever sold their body on the streets.

One female guest is trying to get a USA visa?

So is there a change in nana hotel? Or in the government getting information?

Does anyone know the inside reason?

Also do I have to be a little concerned as to what reports and information is going to the thai government about my friends and about me?

Is this something that means nana hotel will be a place to stay out of because of data collection? And profiling of me and my guests?

Does anyone know of any university’s/education centers that are close enough to monger locations yet isolated enough to where the students or school officials would not notice. I have been given the opportunity to set up a summer study abroad program in economics. My employer will pay for me to take two weeks for exploratory set up and then it would be a summer program every year after that. This seems like a great opportunity to combine both work and pleasure while my trip cost and stay would be paid for by my employer. Any information on education centers in Bangkok would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris

Sheesh - no wonder prices are going up. She must have been amazing ! Wonder if she still loves him long time. When he gets out of jail he will be very understanding, from jail experience, when girls don't want anal - hah hah


---- The Sunday Telegraph February 07, 2010----

A HIGH-FLYING Sydney banker who stole $7 million from his employer allegedly spent much of the cash on prostitutes, showering them with lavish gifts.

Sung Kyu Chung, 41, gave evidence in Sydney District Court last week where he has pleaded guilty to fraud charges.

The senior manager, who worked in the Korea Exchange Bank's Sydney office, was charged in December, 2008 by City Central Fraud Unit detectives.

Chung faced a preliminary sentence hearing last week. He is due to be sentenced later this month.

The court heard he regularly splashed out on business-class flights to Thailand, where he would visit high-priced prostitutes and stay in five-star hotel rooms.

Prosecutors questioned Chung over alleged "gifts" he bought for the escorts. These included a Mercedes-Benz sedan given to a Thai prostitute and money transferred to another Bangkok call-girl to buy a house.

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Chung pleaded guilty to siphoning a total of $7.2 million from the bank by staging at least 77 false transactions.

The court heard he used $1 million of the plundered funds on education and medical fees.

A further $1.1 million was used to buy a house in Marsfield, which has been seized, while $500,000 was lost on a bad investment with Lehman Brothers, the US investment bank which collapsed in the global financial crisis.

A significant amount of the missing money has yet to be recovered.

The seven-year fraud was uncovered in 2005 when Chung was subjected to a blackmailing attempt by a former colleague, the court heard.

In 2008, auditors from KPMG discovered massive discrepancies in the bank's finances.

The court heard that between 2001 and 2008, Chung routinely used the log-in names and passwords of bank clients to send money to his own account.

When the transfers were complete, he fudged computer and accounting records to mask the transactions as having been carried out from overseas, confusing his bank superiors.

He has been allowed conditional bail while he awaits sentencing.

[QUOTE=MauiDude]I have been going to nana hotel for about the last five years.

Tonight I had some guests over for tea in my room. Actually we were having some fun. It was eight guests and yes one was a bar girl. Not all of the girls were bar girls. Including my wife from the Philippines.

Nana security does take I'd cards from guests to the rooms. So my female guests left their I'd cards with the security desk before going to my room ...
etc.
[/QUOTE]
You should know that Nana Hotel is a place where prostitutes hang out and that nearly all girls there are assumed to be hookers. There are regular police raids in this area. Imagine if some innocent female friend of yours got taken away by the police just for being in the vicinity? Maybe I'm being a bit paranoid but there is the assumption of non-registered guests being hookers.

Think you can now see a reason not to stay there if you entertain innocent type guests.

Most of us wouldn't consider staying there. Having to pass through the Nana carpark full of ladyboys is enough to put most of us off.

This Hotel really has just about reached shit-hole status!
Its a very long time since I have stayed there!
IMHO even their disco is as low class as it comes, although I haven't been there very recently, to be fair.
My friend has a relative who works for the disco, which is one reason I was there some time back.

My last memory of Nana Hotel, from quite a few years back, was a ladyboy was in the lift with me and got out at same floor as me, so I was wondering if "she" was following me, but turned out to be visiting some guy in another room nearby.

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]
IMHO even their disco is as low class as it comes, although I haven't been there very recently, to be fair.
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Didn't the disco close months ago?

I arrived in Bangkok on January 25th around noon. By now I had already been to France and Inida and been on the road since the 10th.

I had a pre-arranged ride to JW Marriott and so no hassle getting out of the airport and into the heart of the biggest playhouse in the world.

I exchanged $200 at the airport.

I was tired and in no mood for going to bars to chase pussy. When the porter brought my bags up I asked him if he could arrange a good massage for me. He said sure and told me she would be up in my room in 15 minutes and would cost 1200 bhat for 2 hours. I said great and went to the club room to get a drink. Just when I returned I heard a knock on the door. There she was. A tall woman around 27-28, fair and about a 5 on the looks scale. I did not care as my back was hurting.

She gave me a great massage for about an hour on my back. Turned me over and another good massage for about 20 minutes until the Mr. woke up. She asked if I wanted boom boom. I asked how much. We settled on 500 bhat after about 30 seconds of haggling. Great covered BJ and I was ready for bed. Total cost 1700 bhat for no hassle room service.

Next day I went out for a walk and was accosted by a tuk tuk guy. He wanted to give me a ride for 30 bhat for one hour. Took him up and he drove around, aimlessly for me, by design for him, as he tried to get me buy a custom suit at one place and then some jewellery at another overpriced place.

I did not buy a thing but did get a pretty fair picture of the area surrounding the Marriott, which by the way is right accross from Nana Entertainment.

I also noted that there are massge places, some with very young faces sitting outside all over the City. The Tuk Tuk guy tried to persuade me to go to one. Thanks to this forum, I declined.

Next I walked to Nan Plaza and was accosted by a Taut. He showed me into a nearby ***** house full of chunky, overpainted, mostly overaged girls in a fishbowl. I am forgetting the name of the place. They all waved and smiled and I smiled and waved back. The guy asked "you like" I said "don;t like" and walked out. He was pissed and walked past me and later I saw him standing exactly under the yellow building near Nana where I saw him before looking for his next victim.

As for me, I walked in and out of many bars and got a foot massage near Soi 8 and a beer across from Nana in a very westernized Irish bar.

Back to the hotel, I looked up this site [url]http://*************.com/massage/traditional_oil_massage.shtml
Selected a place that had published rates and called. They said they would send a girl within 30 minutes for 800 bhat for 2 hours. I said I needed a pretty girl. They tried to upsell. You want every thing for 3000. I said no, just massage.

Knock on the door in 30 mnts and I see a stunning 24-25 year old slim and perky girl at the door. I would give her a 7 on looks. Good Enlish and great personality.

I offered her drinks. She took water. I was doing email and asked her to wait a few. She just sat and watched and waited until I was finished.

When I got up she went to wash up and came out with a g string and bra only and asked me to undress and lay on my front.

A great massage started and went on for an hour or more. Then the she slowed a little. I asked her if she needed to rest. She jumped off the bed went to the mini-bar took a beer and asked if she could have it. I said go ahead. She walked my back while she drank it. Then another. Then she lay down next to me and I gave her a bit of a back rub and we both snuggled under the covers.

Renegotiated her stay to 2000 bhat for every thing. She was great in bed and I had an excellent time. When she left it was around 1 AM. Must have been around 4-5 hours and did not show that she wanted to leave.

I left Bangkok for the States the next morning - January 27th with money to spare out of my $200 that I had cashed.

Thanks to all the posts here. Very helpful.

I know some may not agree with what I paid and the limited choices I had but I was tired and did not have much time. Considering everything, I think I had a great experience in Bangkok, two ladies and some touring, great food, all for under $200 and within 48 hours.

'Hope others will find this useful.

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[QUOTE=M P Lurker]
Most of us wouldn't consider staying there. Having to pass through the Nana carpark full of ladyboys is enough to put most of us off.

This Hotel really has just about reached shit-hole status!
Its a very long time since I have stayed there!
IMHO even their disco is as low class as it comes, although I haven't been there very recently, to be fair.
My friend has a relative who works for the disco, which is one reason I was there some time back.
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Most of us? Have you conducted a survey? Why not just speak for yourself and say "I"? I have no problem walking through the Nana parking lot, and judging by the number of guys who show up there at around 2am, I'd be more likely to think that for 'most of us' the LBs there are a non-issue. The disco was the best spot for FL in BKK a few years back, but turned crappy after mgmt kept raising the door fee to absurd levels. It's been closed since last July.

I agree with you though that the OP on this one made a pretty dumb mistake staying at Nana Hotel with his wife and having non-working female guests come over and hand over their IDs. That request should have been an obvious red flag. But ... it's being the Nana hotel is about as big a red flag as you can hope for. Who takes their wife to stay at a hooker hotel? It does seem outrageous the hotel would then report them to police as prostitutes though. Nice "customer service." I've never stayed there, don't think I ever will, especially after that report.

[QUOTE=MauiDude]
Is this something that means nana hotel will be a place to stay out of because of data collection? And profiling of me and my guests?[/QUOTE]
Surprised you'd still be asking this question. Hotel staff just officially accused your wife to the police of being a prostitute. I guess if you're cool with that, no reason not to stay there.

[QUOTE=Wendella] But ... it's being the Nana hotel is about as big a red flag as you can hope for. Who takes their wife to stay at a hooker hotel? It does seem outrageous the hotel would then report them to police as prostitutes though. Nice "customer service." I've never stayed there, don't think I ever will, especially after that report.[/QUOTE]


When I stayed there I saw a couple families checking in. Almost wanted to approach them to clue them in, but didn't.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Most of us? Have you conducted a survey? Why not just speak for yourself and say "I"? [/QUOTE]
Apologies. Of course I mean "I". I merely imagine some others may not go for ladyboy infested areas too.

[QUOTE=MauiDude]I have been going to nana hotel for about the last five years.[/QUOTE]
After at least 5 years visiting Thailand you still stay at Nana Hotel and you're surprised that unregistered guests at Nana Hotel are considered as hookers?
'Som nam na' my friend!

I happen to know a guy who is staying there at the moment with a Farang female friend of his who's travelling with him. He's a noob and some stupid guy on some forum thought it'd be a good idea for him and his friend to stay there so he booked for a week on the internet. He thought the pool would be a nice feature for his female friend while he is on the hunt outside.
Yeah, the pool at Nana Hotel is definitely a great place for a Farang female mainstream tourist to hang out. Great piece of advice!

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]Apologies. Of course I mean "I". I merely imagine some others may not go for ladyboy infested areas too.[/QUOTE]
I personally have absolutely no problem hanging out on the car park. However I'd never walk into the hotel for any other reason than the convenient restroom.

[QUOTE=Evianist]When I stayed there I saw a couple families checking in. Almost wanted to approach them to clue them in, but didn't.[/QUOTE]Not surprising, many unsuspecting folks who rely (still ) on clueless travel agents instead of researching it themselves on the internet.

I have seen horrified young families with children in Pattaya and one can read their minds like "How do I get out of here " ( Mom ) or " How can I ditch the family and get some " ( Pop )

[list][*]7PM, figured I'd have a drink on Big Mango's balcony, watch the staff trickle into Nana Plaza, and see if that cute waitress was still there. She wasn't; but then again, Big Mango wasn't either. What was the pool table room was now a hotel lobby. Still has 1 balcony, wider now, parallel to the Nana's entrance, but the flavor gone, so didn't stop.

[*]Over to Morning Night bar, finding a seat overlooking the street. Any ghosts of chickens past, from Tom Quik's, long gone, but plenty of chicks around. One sashayed over, taking the seat next to mine. Cute enough that in other times, wouldn't have bothered with a ST, but would have inquired about a LT assignation. Her one negative quality, FOR ME, was our sharing of a common up-country home town. Now, big enough that the chance of us bumping into each other up there minimal, but I want to minimize any "small world" happenstances.

Nice watching the street traffic go by - faces change, scene doesn't.[/list]
Sunday, hit Nana Plaza, 10pm. Tasked with taking a local in-law around, as he could not get into the bars on his own. Now, I'm sure a RICH Thai would have no problem getting in, but I also know that the rich have other places to go, not having to associate with the foreign hoi polloi. And he wasn't one of those, rich that is, but fit right into the hoi polloi category, local division. So off we went, avoiding any of my normal places, not interested in any shared secrets back home.
[list][*]First stop, Voodoo, the scene of many a pleasant evening, and then night with a Voodoo-ette. WTF?!? Some Thai festival I don't know about - everyone gone home? Plague hit? Lights were on, but nobody home. Had to check my watch to make sure it wasn't 5pm or 2:30am. I remember when it was PACKED, girls dancing in packed shifts. Now it was a wasteland. I was dumbstuck, but not enough to keep me from doing an IMMEDIATE aboutface and heading outside. On the patio, I paused to catch my breath. The Voodoo used to leave me breathless, but NOT this way.

[*]OK, the old standby, G-Spot. Hmmm, seemed the plague was contagious. 4 girls dancing, well shuffling their feet, on 1 stage, 4 on the other; maybe and equal number of customers. Talk about a wasteland. Soi Cowboy's Live Music had the same number of girls dancing, and you could fit 2 Live Music's into G-Spot. I remember when G-Spot's "All Dance" call created a stage where the girls couldn't, there were so many of them. Now, 1 girl, large breasts her attraction, couldn't even be bothered to dance, unless you looked at her. When not in full gaze, she just stopped and stood there. The ghost of Ay must be spinning in her bg dancer's grave - she COULD dance, and her pole acrobatics a sight to behold. I once asked her why, packed house or sparse, she always put on such a great show. Her response - she just liked to dance.

Tonight, beginning to see a sad pattern.

[*]Hollywood Rock at least had 4 girls sitting in the entrance alcove, enough of a gravitational pull to draw this large body in. OK, a bit more like it. But where were the customers? Place sparse, but at least there were 10-12 girls dancing, and several shifts of those. Girls actually doing more than the 1-2 shuffle. Enough eye candy to make up for the rap crap on the sound system. One cutie drew my eye; real spinner, and knew how to keep your eyes glued to her. When not dancing, she was chatting up 1 specific customer.

Later on, the music shifted to rock. However, the DJ, rather than letting a song finish, then skillfully cutting into the next, just arbitrarily cut the playiny 1 off, starting the next before the one playing had finished. This wasn't skill, but butchery. Irksome enough that it was time to pay the bill and move on. As I was waiting, saw Miss Spinner's seatmate move to leave. Bit of a conversation before departure, I figured a done deal for sure. However, both lost points: no offense, sir, maybe you did have an early morning, maybe you did biblically know her already, but she was the best one there. And, Spinner, points off for you for not being able to close the deal. Price too high, too sparse a menu, other plans, whatever... but when you can't land them, your stock goes down.

[*]OK, time to hit the big time. Rainbow 1. If I was going to be ignored, might as well be by some Quality. OK, this was more like it. Stage full of dancing cuties, some wearing what nature provided, and plenty of customers. Enough customers that I was shown a stage side stool. Sorry, even in my younger days, my neck didn't bend that way. Headed for the door, until a senior waitress shooed 2 dances from a table so we could sit.

This was the Nana of old, well, looks anyway. The usual Rainbow effect in evidence - my round eyes generating minimal return gazes. The Japanese, literally thowing money around, obviously distracting. One girl, while certainly not the best looker there, but with her animated antics, trumped the others' looks. She could dance, bit of pole, and definitely enough of an attraction dancing, both on stage and off, to keep your attention focused.

She had caught my stare, and came over to test the water. By then, all the asians must have been on a Cinderella liberty, as, past midnight, place fairly empty. But any decline in the quantity of dancers NOT evident. This night, due to security, had to decline any come-ons. I certainly wasn't going to share any of THAT kind of secret with a local in-law. Not interested in any nudge, nudge, wink, wink back home. But certainly enough of a draw to ensure a trip back.[/list]
Nana plaza bit of a surprise on that Sunday night. Perhaps a Super Bowl effect, customers staying home to be up early to watch the game, though I doubt that had any real, discernable effect. But certainly what put me off were the prices - 145 for a Singha, the same bottle I could drink in Soi Cowboy for 110. 35 baht, 1 USD, not a wallet breaker, more the idea then the actual wallet effect. Still, it can add up, and if you throw in lady drinks... Can it be that Soi Cowboy has usurped Nana? Certainly the idea of lowering prices to lure customers, in these economic times, seems a concept foreign to Nana bars' management. And the DRASTIC decline of some of my favorite haunts truly surprising. If someone had told me that the Voodoo and G-spot were now barely functional, I would never have believed if I hadn't seen for myself.

[QUOTE=Mart Cham]I personally have absolutely no problem hanging out on the car park. However I'd never walk into the hotel for any other reason than the convenient restroom.[/QUOTE]I'll admit I do still feel a bit weird passing the upstairs walkway area where all the LB's congregate and make eyes at you as you pass. And I guess I wouldn't go check out one of those bars, mainly cuz I'd half expect some might try to grope or something as a come-on. Lived in San Francisco before and got to see many LB-types there, so probably got numbed to it somewhere along the way.

[QUOTE=Mart Cham]After at least 5 years visiting Thailand you still stay at Nana Hotel and you're surprised that unregistered guests at Nana Hotel are considered as hookers?

'Som nam na' my friend!

I happen to know a guy who is staying there at the moment with a Farang female friend of his who's travelling with him. He's a noob and some stupid guy on some forum thought it'd be a good idea for him and his friend to stay there so he booked for a week on the internet. He thought the pool would be a nice feature for his female friend while he is on the hunt outside.

Yeah, the pool at Nana Hotel is definitely a great place for a Farang female mainstream tourist to hang out. Great piece of advice![/QUOTE]Actually I am not surprised by much that happens at nana. Except they in the past seemed very hobby friendly but I think they have lost that friendliness?

I stayed there because of location, the pool and of course the girls that would cum to the room and the hotel seemed totally okay with all my girls coming and going.

Yes they did provide security by checking the girls. But I am surprised by the fact they copy all I'd s and keep them and that the security and management said they report everyone to the police?

Maybe a big misunderstanding?

And yes I like to take my wife to seedy places because I like those places. I am a pervert and she loves me as I am.

But I had always thought that nana hotel was a little oasis?

Hahaha. Maybe I am just in a different reallity?

But I love hookers.

And may even pimp out my wife once in a while just for fun. But still try to do it with some class and consideration? If that is possible.

Thanks for the responses and what hotels. For cheap **** dog for me can be recommended?

But still clean and safe?

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]Apologies. Of course I mean "I". I merely imagine some others may not go for ladyboy infested areas too.[/QUOTE]
There are so many reasons to never consider staying there that the LBs never even make it to the list.

[QUOTE=11Bravo]Can it be that Soi Cowboy has usurped Nana? Certainly the idea of lowering prices to lure customers, in these economic times, seems a concept foreign to Nana bars' management. And the DRASTIC decline of some of my favorite haunts truly surprising. If someone had told me that the Voodoo and G-spot were now barely functional, I would never have believed if I hadn't seen for myself.[/QUOTE]Nana seems to be like Patpong was when I first went there late 90s. The place tourists have heard about but actually on the slide. Cowboy massively overtaken Nana as the place to go but still a bit of me likes the idea of a 3 storey shopping mall of sex!

[QUOTE=Stiffoak 571]Nana seems to be like Patpong was when I first went there late 90s. The place tourists have heard about but actually on the slide. Cowboy massively overtaken Nana as the place to go but still a bit of me likes the idea of a 3 storey shopping mall of sex![/QUOTE]

Why take 3 floors of decline when you can go to Singapore and get four floors of ......?







(Ok, cheaper and better in LOS but couldn't help myself)

A couple of Thursdays ago – Rainbow 4, Mandarin and Mandarin

Below is a review of my experience with Rainbow 4 and the two Mandarins in NEP (at the top of the escalator on the right). I know NEP is being trashed right now, but I kinda like it - seedy, dirty, crowded. It's like a huge anthill with constant activity.

Be forewarned before you read this whole thing: I ended up with no girls tonight, so this is just a review of a scouting mission. My next report (which I will post very soon) is about a girl I discuss in this post for whom I went back the next night. I'm posting this because it includes info on both Mandarins and sets up my next report.

I was tired, and my regular had plans with her girl friends tonight. I dunno, she's probably got a string of guys lined up behind my back for all I know. Which is actually just fine with me. So I decided to hit the titty bars. Didn't feel like the trek over to Asok, so went local at the NEP.

Now I know many people here frown on the NEP, but I have to tell you, I now prefer this place over Soi Cowboy, which, for whatever reason, seems like a genuine rip-off. NEP is too, but I guess the seedier nature of it makes it more appealing to me. It's hard to put my finger on why I prefer NEP.

So I walk into the NEP and turn right immediately up the escalator. As I reach the top there is a crowd of female touts waiting to usher me into their respective establishments. I robustly reject all the grabbing hands (one pair actually grabbed me by my right nipple as I tried to pass!), and turned the corner towards Rainbow 4.

I walk in, and my very first impression is 'what a dump.' The girls are up high on a stage, the lighting is awful, and the music is disjointed and tepid. They tried to stick me on a stool right up front, I shook my head and refused. They tried some other crapo spot, then another, until I finally got a crapo spot in the back.

I ordered my Coke and took a breath, perusing the offerings. My impression is that there is an awful lot of worn-out meat at Rainbow 4 - weathered faces, overly stretched thighs, lumpy buttocks, and let's not talk about the breasts. Having said that, within this wall of sexed-up road kill are several very, very cute girls. I sat there for 30 minutes and counted three very doable girls. One had a very pretty face, thick thighs (which I like, by the way), reasonable breasts, and seemed to be in her early-mid twenties. The other had a spectacular face, I mean absolutely model-like, but with fake titties. And the last was similar to the second one.

My drink arrived and as I sipped it I sensed danger. As I swallowed the drink, I realized it was not Coke, or any other kind of made-for-human-consumption beverage. It tasted like foul sink water. I literally spat the shit out, held the glass up to the light, and deduced that it was Coke that had been watered down, roughly 1 part Coke 1 part water, 1 part ice. I'm not the kind to complain, usually, so I sat there and fumed for a minute or two, until the waitress came over to me with a big grin on her face. I said 'Not now, Twinkles', but she ignored me and motioned to herself, and then to an old 60 year old woman who looked to be a cleaning lady, and then to me, and indicated she wanted me to engage in the world's most grotesque threesome. I fought the retching reflex, gathered myself, and then ripped into her for bringing me [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] water to drink. She seemed confused, concluded that the three-way was probably not going to happen, and then just walked away.

I paid (yes, I did) and walked out. Me thinks me shall never return.

Next was Mandarin. There are two Mandarins: one on the left with a neon sign, and the one on the right with just a regular sign. I first went to the one on the left where you have to walk up some very intimidating and threatening stairs. But once inside, the place is actually quite nice.

They have two teams of girls. The first is the school girl set. They wear little dresses, white shirts, sneakers, etc. and the girls themselves are small, petite, skinny. You know, the usual thing. The last time I was here, I was approached by two dancers from this team and offered a threesome. I was tired and refused. Today I saw one of those girls (the cuter of the two), I think her name is Ice. She seems to really get around - she is always being boozed by some old guy or the other. She has a very cute face and a real school girl look. If I weren't so into bigger ladies, she would definitely be worth a spin around the block.

The other team, the one that old Kumbu prefers, is the long-legged, strapped-high-heel team. If you like long legs, slender and tall women, then this is the team for you. I saw six or seven good looking girls in a matter of seconds. I then spied the grand prize of them all.

She had a pretty face, although rather unusual for a Thai person. It might seem aggressive to some, but I like some gun powder in my women - it makes life so much more interesting. She was unlike any of the other girls in that the rest were pencil thin skinny little runts (I know most guys like that). She was a little bigger. She had big, strong legs, wide shoulders, nice strong (but not muscular) arms, a slender waist, and a bum that was not bubbly by any stretch of the imagination, but it was recognizable as a bum (unlike the flat ironing boards that most Thai girls sport). She was nothing less than a real woman, not a child impersonator. And me likey. I especially appreciated her legs - genuinely shapely, well muscled, toned to perfection, and without an ounce of fat (as far as I could tell). So she was shapely but not fat - what's not to like?

Our eyes met, and she immediately looked away. Oh, a shy girl? Or does she prefer other types? No problem, I am not committed at this point. So I kept looking at the other girls, and noticed one girl giving me the look-over. She had long sexy legs, but otherwise was wafer thin. She had a stud below her lip, and hips that made me think she might be a post-op. She in fact had a face much like the lady boys you see around, so I was just a little wary. I looked away and avoided her gaze.

I kept coming back to the substantial one, the one with some heft. She was growing on me, and now she was dancing unlike the others. All the others were bouncing up and down in a mindless zombie-like dance. But she was actually undulating and gyrating to the beat of the music. That's nice to see.

So the shift ended, and the school girl team (who had been working the crowd) switched with the leggy team. That meant it was time to try my luck with this girl. I watched as she got off the stage, waiting for her to look my way so I could motion her over. She looked, but something told me to wait. She walked over to the bar, said something to someone, and then sat down and looked in my direction. I was about to motion her over when up popped the stud-in-lip girl. Hello, my name is Lin, what's your name, etc.

I was polite, looking at her directly, trying to assess her genuine gender. And in the meantime I kept looking past her to make eye contact with the beauty I was really interested in. I was sitting next to a big glass divider, and suddenly from below the divider another girl jumped up and stuck her lips onto the glass like she was in a fish bowl. She popped her cheeks full of air, bugged her eyes, and stood there looking at me. Mind you, Lin was still in my arms at the time. I laughed, slapped the glass, and the girl giggled and came around and joined us.

Uh-oh, looks like they smell blood and the sharks are circling.

She sat down, name is Nam (as in water), from Isaan, all the girls are from Isaan, been here 7 months, like Bangkok, umm, want to buy me drink? It was just that quick. I was in a charitable mood, and she was entertaining me. She is high energy, and certainly delightful to talk to. She has dark skin, permed hair, a pretty face, but too skinny for my liking. So Nam out-talked Lin, who I was feeling a little sorry for, so I bought her a drink too. That cheered her up. (As an aside, a week later on a Friday night I was at Climax and saw Nam there. She was totally stoned, dancing on the stage with the band, her eyes somewhat glazed. The band tried to get her off the stage, but she kept climbing back up and doing this zoked out dancing. I think she's a stoner.)

Then Nam's sister arrives, being introduced as the older sister. She sees two lady drinks and senses a sucker, so she hangs around. Mmm, not this time lady. She just hangs waiting for something to drop from the table. But nothing this night, sister. Several other ladies did the same thing, they hovered around, waiting to be offered a drink, but nothing came from Kumbu. All this time, I kept looking over at the beauty, making sure to keep tabs on her, ensuring that she knows I am looking. She had some schmuck tossing ping pong balls at her. What a doof.

After a while, the beauty starts to make her way in my direction. Turns out she was on her way to the toilet, but I stopped her on the way and said 'Hello'. She smiled, held out her hand, 'Hello', said something to the other two girls, and then walked away. Jeez, either she is not interested in money or is playing one cool game of cat and mouse.

So the shift ends again and Nam and Lin go on stage, along with the beauty. As she's dancing, I just watch that beautiful body moving in the soft light. Dude, I started to get wet.

The whole shift went by in a blur, and then it ended, and the same two girls returned to my table. Lin started to make talky with me about Bar Fine, and I stopped her and said 'To be honest, I like you, but I *really* like your friend.' She was totally cool with it. She said 'Which one? I go get her.' So I told her, and in a flash, the beauty was in my lap with a beer in her hand.

My hands went straight onto her bare hips. OMG. Have you ever had one of those young, green/yellow coconuts in Thailand? The ones with that milky soft coconut, almost liquid but not quite? Sweet as hell, it goes down so easily, and is just as delicious as you could ever get. Her skin reminded me of that - soft, silky, and just as delicious as you could imagine. Damn.

Anyway, the vibe was just weird between us. She was nervous, it seemed. She liked me, I could tell, but she wasn't grooving like Nam was. She had been in BKK 7 years, but working in a bar only 4 months. I thought, given her conservative behavior, that maybe she had been working in the bar less than that. Something told me Starfish, and that frightened me. But damn she was hot...what to do?

So we talked for the entire shift, she shook her stuff for me, butt to crotch, just the way any man likes it. The talk was pleasant, but the grinding was far better. And then the shift ended. As she left, I told her I was going to bail, and maybe I would come back tomorrow. She seemed pleased by me returning, but not overly so. Hmm.

So I paid up and left.

After Mandarin, I went downstairs and into the next one, which is also called Mandarin (no neon sign). The set up here is a little different - small stages with girls dancing at eye level with short neon green skirts and see through blouses. The first thing I noticed is that this place seems to cater to the needs of the freaks. That is, they have a cute little midget running from customer to customer trying to get herself some good stuff. She is perhaps 4 feet tall, weighing in at perhaps a hefty 60 pounds. She was all over this fat Norwegian (at least I think he was Norwegian), and he seemed very uncomfortable with it all. He finally shoved her off, and almost like a force of nature she swept across the room and ensconced herself in the crook of my arm. She put her head on my chest and caressed me nicely. She tells me her name is Banana (of course, what else would it be?) and she likes to fuck. Weird. So I show as little interest as I can although I have to say I had to crack some smiles because...well...it's just so damned funny!

As I sat there trying to ignore Banana fondling my crotch, I noticed a real fatty dancing. I mean, wow, rolls of fat, cellulite, blubber. She was maybe 5'2" and an almighty 200 pounds. The word 'convex' came to mind. I guess she caters to the guys who have a fat fetish. That always reminds me of the movie, the Italian Job (the original, not the piece of crap Mark Walbergh re-do) with Michael Cain. There was a character in that movie played by the late Benny Hill, and he had a thing for fat women. Anyway, Netflix it if you can - it's worth it.

So Banana sits there with me, lays her head on my shoulder like a little child and smiles. Ugh - doing nothing for me girlie. I look around and see some nice legs on various stages, but generally, the girls are not all that hot. But one girl catches my fancy to my right. She has a very pretty face, dark skin, and is skinny. Skinny is not usually my thing, but she was just very cute. She was skinny, but shapely at the same time - none of that emaciated pencil-legs bullshit. So I check her out, and she begins the ritualistic gaze fixation. I.e., she notices my interest, and so as to foster said interest, she focuses all her attention on me and no one else. This can be very off-putting, especially when the trigger for the fixation was an off-the-cuff glance in her direction. In this case, however, I was quite enjoying her gaze. It was penetrating, but comforting at the same time. She wasn't pressing me, or doing the googly eyes thing (which I hate), she was standing back, looking at me, being a little demure. Nice.

But I just wasn't feeling it tonight. I was not in the mood for a bar fine, so I paid up, walked over to her, asked her for her name (Ning), and told her that I would be back to see her soon. She said 'No, bar fine today, I want'. Sure you do honey, but not tonight. As she spoke to me, the first crack in her perfect facade emerged - she had gaps between all her teeth. It was not particularly ugly or anything, just unusual. That's ok, just so long as everything else on her body is where it is supposed to be, I can do without compacted teeth for a night.

So I bounce on outta there, feeling like the king of the world. I returned to my hotel room empty handed and limp-dicked, but quite satisfied with my night of reconnaissance. The next night holds more promise.

A Couple of Friday Nights ago

Friday night I returned to NEP. I decided to try some of the other places. I went to Spanky's first. It was ok. They do have a decent show, both on-stage and in the shower booth. I found the girls here to be quite ordinary, so I paid up and left.

Next was Angelwitch, which in my opinion is just a bad set-up. It is small, cramped, dark and the girls are not particularly stunning. Furthermore, the show is really just ordinary. It is *nothing* like the show at the Angelwitch in Pattaya, which is, IMHO, spectacular and a must-see for visitors to Thailand. So I sat there for 20 minutes being hassled by waitresses, dancers and someone dressed in street clothes too. Bottom line: nothing special going on here.

I was getting a little anxious at this point, so I decided to try to make my move for someone. I walked right past Rainbow 4 (total dump, never going back there), and into Mandarin, the neon signed one, upstairs.

I ended up bar fining this fine, fine girl. She is the only big-boned girl in the joint mentioned in my last post. Her name is Een, and she's around 5'4", maybe 130 pounds, mostly bone and muscle, and very, very shapely. The deal is 600B for the bar fine, and then MSRP for ST is 2000, LT is 4000, although it is negotiable. At one point, I was offered a special deal where if I took two girls for ST, they would charge me 1500B each, 3000 total. Not interested, but some of you might be.

Took her back to the hotel, she showered, then me, and when I got into the room, she was in bed, tucked away. She turned over and started to babble in Thai. Not sure what she said, but it sounded like she was complaining. Pretty soon, I figured out that she was very tired, and wanted to sleep. I told her that we had agreed to ST, so she is not going to spend the night and then ask me for 4000B in the morning. She laughed at the suggestion (who, me?).

I had a decision to make. Do I play hard ball and toss the girl now? Or do I play nice guy and expect something decent in the morning. I had a lot of work to do, so I decided to be myself and be a nice guy (!). I held her for a few moments, caressing the back of her head, consoling her on how she had failed in her duty as a woman. I told her it was ok, but that I expected a super performance in the morning, all for no extra cash. She agreed, and promptly fell asleep. Amazing - she really was tired.

So I sat down and got a ton of work done, which was really good for me. I slept at around midnight and awoke at 8am to a girl who was showered and smiling. I got out of bed, brushed my teeth and did a quick shower too. When I got out, she was ready for me...in a big way.

It started with some light kissing (I generally frown on DFK with a working girl), and then she started to play with various of my body parts: nipples, balls, penis-head, butt crack, back to the nipples, etc. She then asked: kin kluey may kaa? Which, I have learned over the past, means something like, "Please sir, may I eat some banana?" Euphemisms: gotta love 'em. And I say 'Ya-hah, please do.' So she goes down on me and begins her work. I am generally agnostic towards the BJ - it is useful to get things started, but I am much more a straight sex kinda guy. But this girl had a really good technique. It was soft and wet, lots and lots of spit, and her variation in focus was fantastic. She focused on the head a little, then the underside of the penis, then down the shaft with her tongue, then the balls, and then the same routine in reverse, back up to the top again. It was sensuous, warm and really very good. I had to pull away for fear of dropping my load at that point, which would have been very bad.

So we transition into me ontop of her and I work on her breasts for a while. They are large and firm, all natural. She is really a fun girl in bed - she orgasmed from the nipple sucking, which is great! So we then went into sex, and it was great - nothing particularly noteworthy, just very good stuff overall. I enjoyed the heftiness of her - her thighs were strong and toned, her calves were large and shapely, and her ass felt very firm and round (although when you look at it while she is standing up, it is more flat than round). Several different positions were had, all visually and sensually pleasing, and I ended in missionary position with my lips on hers. Shower, change, off to work with a smile on my face. I paid her the agreed upon 2000B, no additional tip because she made me wait 8 hours for my sex. But in the end, I was quite happy.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]
So I bounce on outta there, feeling like the king of the world. I returned to my hotel room empty handed and limp-dicked, but quite satisfied with my night of reconnaissance. The next night holds more promise.[/QUOTE]

Bit like 'War and Piece' except you got no piece!

I don't know if this is a correct place to ask this stupid question. But I really want to know when GoGo bars in Nana or Soi Cowboy close at night? 12:00 am or 2:00 am? I want to take a flight to Bangkok at night and visit GoGo bar immediately after arrival.

I really love having two girls at the same time but really swapping condoms when changing girls. Other places I've been that is the norm though. Is that also the case in BKK? If so, are there any known pairs or escort services where the girls feel comfortable enough with each other that I won't need to swap rubbers when I swap pussy?

[QUOTE=Unirii]I really love having two girls at the same time but really swapping condoms when changing girls. Other places I've been that is the norm though. Is that also the case in BKK? If so, are there any known pairs or escort services where the girls feel comfortable enough with each other that I won't need to swap rubbers when I swap pussy?[/QUOTE]Yes, based on the recent threesomes I've enjoyed, most BKK girls change condoms every time they change places (it can add up in a spirited session!).

A smart working girl knows she could possibly catch something from her co-worker's juices. A smart girl will not take chances as her vagina is her money maker.

They'll probably both sit on your face, though! OK, [i]switch![/i]

[QUOTE=Eidosyeung]But I really want to know when GoGo bars in Nana or Soi Cowboy close at night? 12:00 am or 2:00 am?[/QUOTE]

At Nana, I think it's 2am.

At Soi Cowboy apparently it varies a bit depending on the mood of the cops, but it's normally around 2am, though by that time most of the outside lights are off already.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Yes, based on the recent threesomes I've enjoyed, most BKK girls change condoms every time they change places (it can add up in a spirited session!).

A smart working girl knows she could possibly catch something from her co-worker's juices. A smart girl will not take chances as her vagina is her money maker.
[/QUOTE]

Yes, definitely I am not looking for a smart or careful girl here. Seeing as how some of them do lay without condoms though I figured there must be some duets that wouldn't mind sharing with another girl. Especially if they work together often. So is that "most" in your experience or "all" that change condoms when changing places. If only most, where do I find the rest?! Specifically looking for an upper end pair that will work well together.

[QUOTE=Unirii]Yes, definitely I am not looking for a smart or careful girl here. Seeing as how some of them do lay without condoms though I figured there must be some duets that wouldn't mind sharing with another girl. Especially if they work together often. So is that "most" in your experience or "all" that change condoms when changing places. If only most, where do I find the rest?! Specifically looking for an upper end pair that will work well together.[/QUOTE]

Try Eden, the girls there generally don't change condoms when you change girls. Also Soapie places usually the girls don't change the condoms when you switch, if you take 2 girls that are more comfortable with each other. These are of course the more expensive options. If you are in the GoGo's just ask the girls before you take them out, and make what you want clear, that usually seems to workout the best.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]A couple of Thursdays ago – Rainbow 4, Mandarin and Mandarin

[/QUOTE]

I agree with you on a couple of things. RB 4 has been living on its past reputation for at least a year now - the place used to be packed with hotties but when I was there a few times last year it had gone way downhill with some girls so repulsive that they had to be charity cases or relatives of the owner. RB 1 on the other hand had some sweeties. But that was last year.

The upstairs Mandarin has been my favorite place in Nana for a while now - almost always a bunch of cuties in there. A friend who was in NEP last week said the best as far as he was concerned look wise was Erotica or is it Exotica - always forget - up the stairs on your left as you go in. And Soi Cowboy bores me to death. Its popularity mystifies me. People still seem to tout that its cheaper - not anymore - and most of the bars have a real US strip club kind of feel - sanitized and glitzy - not my thing. I will go from time to time - always psyched a bit because its been a while - and by the 5th bar I am deflated. Just not that many good looking girls and not very friendly.

[QUOTE=Dveight]Try Eden, the girls there generally don't change condoms when you change girls. Also Soapie places usually the girls don't change the condoms when you switch, if you take 2 girls that are more comfortable with each other. These are of course the more expensive options. If you are in the GoGo's just ask the girls before you take them out, and make what you want clear, that usually seems to workout the best.[/QUOTE]
It's been a while since I've been to Eden but when I was there the girls did change condoms. They even used and changed condoms on the dildos they used on each other. Allowing customers to use a soiled condom is more of an individual thing with two girls who are familiar with each other but finding them in a centralized locale may be as tricky as the task itself. Below is the response of Eden Papa, Marc to a series of Q&A he gave some time ago.


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[i] Each week there is a test for STDs. Each month there is a blood test for HIV and syphilis. This is a proper check, made by a ISO 9001 laboratory, nominative and computerized check, not a hand written piece of paper. This is the real thing. Each 4 or 5 months we test for drugs. We've got proper kits for the girls to be checked for drugs. I have had some ladies who wanted to be hired but were HIV+ already. Quite a few. Any lady doing anything (except oral) without a condom is fired on the spot. No pity. They even put condoms on the dildos. When you change lady you change of condom too. There is no way to do it safer.[/i]

[QUOTE=DRRonin]The upstairs Mandarin has been my favorite place in Nana for a while now - almost always a bunch of cuties in there.[/QUOTE]

Often quite bad attitude from them though.

[QUOTE=Dveight]Try Eden, the girls there generally don't change condoms when you change girls. Also Soapie places usually the girls don't change the condoms when you switch, if you take 2 girls that are more comfortable with each other.[/QUOTE]Not my experience at all. The Eden girls always change condoms.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]Often quite bad attitude from them though.[/QUOTE]

I think this is a YMMV thing. I've never had any trouble from any of the girls there, except maybe six months ago when one girl was very pushy and pouted when the BF failed to materialize. But other than that, across perhaps 10 girls over six months, I can't say the attitude is any worse than anywhere else. In my experience, that is.

[QUOTE=Dveight]Try Eden, the girls there generally don't change condoms when you change girls.[/QUOTE]Agreed with previous reports. I have been to Eden numerous times and the girls always change condoms when you change girls and with toys as well.

AF

I do not usually report my trips (because of my sense of guilt?) but here it is.

10 February: Arrived from Hong Kong on Air Asia. After checked into Majestic Suites, went to Nataree around 3pm. A lot of choice and they all look so young and yummy. I usually choose a girl in the fish tank for body massage and the service but tried a sideliner this time. Costed B2600, next to no service but a nice experience. Will not do it again, as I believe in service in massage palours. After dinner, went round Soi Cowboy; visited Dollhouse, Baccara (downstairs, a lot of great cute girls with bared bottoms; the mirrors on the bar tables were well used; the school girl look-alikes upstairs are naked with tiny skirts, looking great but are the B-team), Susie Wong and Shebas (good shows). Then went to Nana and visited Playskool & Rainbow (both very good) before returning to hotel next door.

11 February：Lunch and movie in Paragon Shopping Mall, then went to CP2 for a old fashioned body massage. The girls are oldish (but so am I). The service was as good as ever. All these body parts rubbing against each other is great. Costed B1800 plus B400 tips. Then went to Rainbow4 (lots of Japanese look alike, thus full of Asian customers like me), Angelwitch, Spank (dark skinny girls) and Rainbow 3 (small but good selection of girls).

12 February: Lunch in Emporia (never wake up early enough for free breakfast at hotel), then movie at Paragon. Then went to Nana, visited Madarin (I prefer upstairs) and Playskool (found one girl I adored but she made no eye contact, so I gave up). Then visited Rainbow 3 (barfined Neat who is young and tight but looked darker in my room. Great ST for B600+B2000+drinks). One thing --- I do not usually finish the beers, which I considered to be entry tickets for the bars. Do not want to be too drunk for the enjoyment. I believe in sipping slowly and never finish one bottle of Singkha for the 30 minutes in a bar, which is enough to see all the girls.

13 February: Hight light of the trip today. Went to Menam Riverside (Ramada) for brunch. The Chinese restaurant is the best in town. But to get there, you need to take the skytrain to Saphan Taksin and then take the Ramada Hotel shuttle boat. Otherwise, the taxi ride will be B200+. Then visited Tulip right next to Thong Lo BST Station. It is really on Sukhumvit Road just after Soi 38. Pim from Ishan was a lovely small shapy girl, great and wild. I believe the other girls are similar, judging from other reports. Ordered a two-hour oil massage, thinking I shall finish in less than an hour but do not want to look cheap. A 1.5 hour oil massage costed only B200 less anyway. We bathed together, with a short BBBJ and a good rub on each other in the shower. Then she did an oil massage for me, and licked me all over. Then a long good BBBJ. From the start, she used the tools she possessed, using her hands, mouth and pussy to touch different parts of my body in waves, keeping the sensation coming. Then she lower her big tits into my mouth while fucking my fingers for ten minutes. Her contractions told me she came but may be she was a good actress. I did not care as I really enjoyed it. Then we fucked in different positions for 20 minutes before I came. I thought that was it and I still had 45 minutes left and I had enough sex for one night, esp. after the activities in the previous three nights (plus 5 nights in Dongguan a week ago; a different story). Anyway, she gave me a quick massage, then started stimulating my little brother again while repeating what she did in the first hour. I was hard again and we fucked and fucked until I could not take it anymore. Anyway, I could not shoot again. The cost was B800+1500+300 (tips). This is the best experience I have had for the 15 years I have been playing in Asia, Australia and South America. Pim's enthusiasm really did it for me. I prefer European girls but finding the enthusiasm will be difficult. South Americans are great but similar. Chinese girls usually are a bit too routined. Pim's enthusiasm was the best thing I have ever encountered; she behaved as if she really enjoyed it herself. She gave me her mobile number and I took a head shoot of her, with her approval.

Afterward, I did dinner in Soi 38. The hawkers there were great and cheap (20 satay sticks, one big Singkha beer, a Thai salad and shrimp fried noodle, all for B200; many other stands selling great dishes I could not try as I was full). Missed the fried flat rice noodle stand as he sold out early. Afterward, went to Soi Cowboy and visited Rawhide (shapy young girl, all naked), Lucky Star and Baccara (possibly the best).

I have had a great trip and will now work hard for a few months before doing it again in a few months' time.

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I'm planning a trip to Yangon on my next visit to LoS. Don't want to take mobile phone, laptop, etc. since they have a habit of taking that stuff away on entry to the country (they return it on exit, but I'd rather not take it in the first place). Does anybody know a good safe deposit box service in BKK?

Maybe somebody has used a hotel to do this at a reasonable rate? I'd prefer a place where safe deposit boxes is their main business though.

Another board (I think the rules prohibit a link) mentioned a place at Charn Issara Tower, 942 Rama IV Road, near Silom Road, but the guy posting it said he hadn't used it for years. Anybody used it recently, or another place?

I'm looking for a reliable source for name brand and generic Viagra and Cialis near to Cowboy. By reliable I mean definitely real and no chance of fake. Price not the most important factor. Specific directions or phone number or landmark (near the 7-11!) much appreciated.

Enjoyed your report from Bangkok. Lots of interesting stuff in it. Congratulations.

[QUOTE=Away Too Long]Maybe somebody has used a hotel to do this at a reasonable rate? I'd prefer a place where safe deposit boxes is their main business though.[/QUOTE]

I can understand that but where are you staying in BKK? Most places I've been at I leave my luggage and items with them, never a problem, including electronics and high end items.

I think there is a place in Silom that I can look up that I heard an associate used and I think CB Lockers.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I can understand that but where are you staying in BKK? Most places I've been at I leave my luggage and items with them, never a problem, including electronics and high end items. I think there is a place in Silom that I can look up that I heard an associate used and I think CB Lockers.[/QUOTE]

see: [url]http://www.safedepositboxbangkok.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]see: [url]http://www.safedepositboxbangkok.com/[/url][/QUOTE]

Yup that the one...

[QUOTE=Away Too Long]I'm planning a trip to Yangon on my next visit to LoS. Don't want to take mobile phone, laptop, etc. since they have a habit of taking that stuff away on entry to the country (they return it on exit, but I'd rather not take it in the first place). Does anybody know a good safe deposit box service in BKK?

Maybe somebody has used a hotel to do this at a reasonable rate? I'd prefer a place where safe deposit boxes is their main business though.

Another board (I think the rules prohibit a link) mentioned a place at Charn Issara Tower, 942 Rama IV Road, near Silom Road, but the guy posting it said he hadn't used it for years. Anybody used it recently, or another place?[/QUOTE]Nobody takes laptops, cameras or phones away in Myanmar. Have been there 3 times, same with friends. As a tourist, they stamp you in and that is that. I was even there right after the Saffron Revolution with a professional camera, lenses, and a laptop and was whisked right in.

Can you recommend a nice sexy show?

Many thanks for your tips,

Otari

[QUOTE=Unirii]I'm looking for a reliable source for name brand and generic Viagra and Cialis near to Cowboy. By reliable I mean definitely real and no chance of fake. Price not the most important factor. Specific directions or phone number or landmark (near the 7-11!) much appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Does it have to be near Cowboy? I'm assuming thats where you may be staying, but I'm also assuming you will venture down Suk and visit Nana at some point.
There are two large pharmacies around the corner of Soi 4...next to the service station and Bully's Pub. The 2nd one stocks Apcalis and Penagra/Kamagra, among others.

Pharmacy next door to Majectic Suite also sells them along with the Kamagra gel or liquid.

LBM

[QUOTE=Otari]Can you recommend a nice sexy show?

Many thanks for your tips,

Otari[/QUOTE]
to watch or "to participate"?
BKK is a place where you can live a non-stop sex show if you want:)
Start from Eden and after that it will be like a roller coaster after the first steep downhill

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Pharmacy next door to Majectic Suite also sells them along with the Kamagra gel or liquid.

LBM[/QUOTE]

I was under the impression that kamagra comes in pill forms, like cialis and viagra?

There is a pharmacy at the corner of Sukhumvit Soi 11 that sells Kamagra pills.

Havent heard of a gel or liquid though. Can anyone enlighten me on the difference?

So sorry if its been mentioned before though. i will make it a point to ask for it on my next trip. :)

[QUOTE=Eric The Prick]I do not usually report my trips (because of my sense of guilt?) but here it is.

10 February: Arrived from Hong Kong on Air Asia. After checked into Majestic Suites, went to Nataree around 3pm. A lot of choice and they all look so young and yummy. I usually choose a girl in the fish tank for body massage and the service but tried a sideliner this time. Costed B2600, next to no service but a nice experience. Will not do it again, as I believe in service in massage palours. After dinner, went round Soi Cowboy; visited Dollhouse, Baccara (downstairs, a lot of great cute girls with bared bottoms; the mirrors on the bar tables were well used; the school girl look-alikes upstairs are naked with tiny skirts, looking great but are the B-team), Susie Wong and Shebas (good shows). Then went to Nana and visited Playskool & Rainbow (both very good) before returning to hotel next door.

11 February：Lunch and movie in Paragon Shopping Mall, then went to CP2 for a old fashioned body massage. The girls are oldish (but so am I). The service was as good as ever. All these body parts rubbing against each other is great. Costed B1800 plus B400 tips. Then went to Rainbow4 (lots of Japanese look alike, thus full of Asian customers like me), Angelwitch, Spank (dark skinny girls) and Rainbow 3 (small but good selection of girls).

12 February: Lunch in Emporia (never wake up early enough for free breakfast at hotel), then movie at Paragon. Then went to Nana, visited Madarin (I prefer upstairs) and Playskool (found one girl I adored but she made no eye contact, so I gave up). Then visited Rainbow 3 (barfined Neat who is young and tight but looked darker in my room. Great ST for B600+B2000+drinks). One thing --- I do not usually finish the beers, which I considered to be entry tickets for the bars. Do not want to be too drunk for the enjoyment. I believe in sipping slowly and never finish one bottle of Singkha for the 30 minutes in a bar, which is enough to see all the girls.

13 February: Hight light of the trip today. Went to Menam Riverside (Ramada) for brunch. The Chinese restaurant is the best in town. But to get there, you need to take the skytrain to Saphan Taksin and then take the Ramada Hotel shuttle boat. Otherwise, the taxi ride will be B200+. Then visited Tulip right next to Thong Lo BST Station. It is really on Sukhumvit Road just after Soi 38. Pim from Ishan was a lovely small shapy girl, great and wild. I believe the other girls are similar, judging from other reports. Ordered a two-hour oil massage, thinking I shall finish in less than an hour but do not want to look cheap. A 1.5 hour oil massage costed only B200 less anyway. We bathed together, with a short BBBJ and a good rub on each other in the shower. Then she did an oil massage for me, and licked me all over. Then a long good BBBJ. From the start, she used the tools she possessed, using her hands, mouth and pussy to touch different parts of my body in waves, keeping the sensation coming. Then she lower her big tits into my mouth while fucking my fingers for ten minutes. Her contractions told me she came but may be she was a good actress. I did not care as I really enjoyed it. Then we fucked in different positions for 20 minutes before I came. I thought that was it and I still had 45 minutes left and I had enough sex for one night, esp. after the activities in the previous three nights (plus 5 nights in Dongguan a week ago; a different story). Anyway, she gave me a quick massage, then started stimulating my little brother again while repeating what she did in the first hour. I was hard again and we fucked and fucked until I could not take it anymore. Anyway, I could not shoot again. The cost was B800+1500+300 (tips). This is the best experience I have had for the 15 years I have been playing in Asia, Australia and South America. Pim's enthusiasm really did it for me. I prefer European girls but finding the enthusiasm will be difficult. South Americans are great but similar. Chinese girls usually are a bit too routined. Pim's enthusiasm was the best thing I have ever encountered; she behaved as if she really enjoyed it herself. She gave me her mobile number and I took a head shoot of her, with her approval.

Afterward, I did dinner in Soi 38. The hawkers there were great and cheap (20 satay sticks, one big Singkha beer, a Thai salad and shrimp fried noodle, all for B200; many other stands selling great dishes I could not try as I was full). Missed the fried flat rice noodle stand as he sold out early. Afterward, went to Soi Cowboy and visited Rawhide (shapy young girl, all naked), Lucky Star and Baccara (possibly the best).

I have had a great trip and will now work hard for a few months before doing it again in a few months' time.

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Great report but i love your last line.

"I have had a great trip and will now work hard for a few months before doing it again in a few months' time."

Thinking about my next trip is all that keeps me working hard in between these days. :D

[QUOTE=Kenster]I was under the impression that kamagra comes in pill forms, like cialis and viagra?

There is a pharmacy at the corner of Sukhumvit Soi 11 that sells Kamagra pills.

Havent heard of a gel or liquid though. Can anyone enlighten me on the difference?

So sorry if its been mentioned before though. i will make it a point to ask for it on my next trip. :)[/QUOTE]

This has been discussed many time and there are viagra and cialis forms on ISG.

Viagra and Cialis are sold in generic versions. Kamagra is the generic name (one of the generic names) of Viagra and comes in a pill and gel form. There are multiple generic names for Viagra medication.

Cialis is available in generic pill and in generic gel also (apacalis I think is one of the names of that)

The purpose of the gel is faster ingestion into your system for quicker results, for some folks 20 minutes if they swish it around their mouth first. Pills can take an hour or so for some folks.

Many punters who require said medication like the availability of the gel as it is faster acting and they can take it when they find the one they want to go with.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]...Many punters who require said medication like the availability of the gel as it is faster acting and they can take it when they find the one they want to go with.[/QUOTE]Mr. T: Awhile back you outlined a supplement regimen that you said helps keep you in tip-top performance shape. I seem to remember it included horny goat weed and some other ingredients? Do you mind going over this once again as I'm not sure how to find it using the search function (maybe: "rabbit salad").

BTW, I've been taking soy lecithin for a couple of months now and I have noticed a positive difference in my [i]qwai's[/i] general well being.

I spend a fair amount of time over in Patpong as I live just a few blocks away and my latest "GF" works at a bar there. Lately, I've been seeing some changes for the good, e.g., new bars and go-go clubs, new places to eat, and some nice looking younger girls walking around looking for guys to rock.

[i]For example...[/i]
> There's some new pretty faces at the Star of Light, and not a lot of business, it seems. Last night I was drinking next door at the Cleo and only saw a handful of guys go in.
> The King's Group of bars is running a daily "Happy Hour" until 10pm with beers priced at 50 or 65 baht, depending on the club.
> There's a new club across from the SOL that has brand new billiard tables and lots of sexy girls dressed in black to help you rack them up.
> A new 24-hour restaurant, next to Foodland (and Mike's Club), BBQ's a pig a few nights a week (150 baht for a meal).
>The Madrid Bar had a great Super Bowl brunch for 150 baht. The food is still great there, too.
> There's a new Go-Go Club called Bada-Bing that looks promising...I'll check it out soon...w/o the GF!

Of course, for the BKK purist, Patpong still has the same old night market, thai touts, ladyboys, old [i]farang[/i] drunks, and over-priced taxis and tuk tuks...but you already knew that! Some things just never change.

So, if you're getting bored with the Cowboy or Soi 4, maybe take a short taxi ride, or the BTS, over to Silom Rd. You might find something you like...

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]I sem to remember it included horny goat weed and some other ingredients? [/QUOTE]

I do not take horny goat weed. I was on a various multi vitamin system and used ogoplex and semenex before but I have switched since then.

Basic high strength mens multi vitamin (max for men from country life or one of the mens from GNC, anything high strength two pill a day). Then add some vit c (not cialis regular Vitamin C), vit E, cranberry fruit, B 12, green tea, l-llysine, L-arginine, cinnamon, folic acid, garlic, cider vinegar tablets, oil of oregano, calcium, zinc, and selenium. I think that is about it but I could miss one or two.

Qty of each vitamin depends on the person your weight your goals and such so I won't say the mg I take daily but let's just say it can be a decent amount. But ability to shoot on goal to completion is high(er) qty then most people so I hear, with excellent strength in each shot and extended or longer lasting climaxes. Meaning excellent number of contractions and spurts per shot on goal. Volume, now here is the kicker, volume is large (so I hear form the girls) when not getting much action, but when in full rabbit mode even if I am not drinking a ton of liquids then the volume per shot on goal is only about 5 ml. Recharge time is reduced to a lower time frame for reshooting then before so can resoot at target multiple times if the target is willing or move to another girl.

Many vitamins are not for punting but some like cranberry can help ward off Urinary Tract Infections and other things. I do a protein drink sometimes and ride a bicycle 10 to 90 km a day. Stopped alcohol, smoking and lost a shit load of weight.

Sometimes I do some i guess holistic or natural items like steep a teaspoon of cinnamon in hot water then when it cools add two teaspoons of honey (do not add while hot as it kills the enzymes you want) then drink half, refrigerate half and finish it in the morning. That supposedly helps sugar and fat metabolism as well as blocks some fat absorption as well as gives me a nice boost or kicker.

For fungus I find a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar with a glass of water will kill any fungal infection (heat rash, jock itch, athletes foot, parasites in your system etc..) and such. In SEA and with Bar girls the more protection from urinary tract and infections I can get without going through antibiotics (and many are getting to be resistant to antibiotics) the better off I am. You can also wipe with Vinegar on the skin and it will kill due to the acid many fungus and yeast items that you might get on your body.

At home I replaced white flour with Taro Flour and try to eat some more taro, breadfruit, or boiled bananas over white rice (white rice has no beta carotenes and is basically a worthless quick energy food) as well as a high protein low carb diet (lots of sashimi). I've also gone back to Kava Drinks / powder as the recent studies show it can kill cancer cells in lab test.

I should do more stretches, plilates, yoga or such and lose 10 more lbs but just not enough time but there are always excuses not to do things. I am more into stamina from the biking then strength work out but muscle tone overall needs or should be average. But I travel a lot so throw out everything except the vitamins when I travel I eat whatever is put in front of me mostly but I honestly try to stay with fruits and eat better as I'm getting older.

The pills are a lot of work but I have someone prepackage my daily pills for like three months in advance so I have nice little zip lock bags I can put in my pocket with my gel and condoms. I don't suggest everyone doing the above but it works for me and I keep adapting and trial of different mixtures. I however do have a complete physical and blood work monitored / tested monthly for a gambit of items due to work.

If you look many of the over the counter products for increased sperm output or such most or many are a mixture of herbs and the vitamins / minerals I listed above. Be warned, taking an overdose of vitamins can be just as dangers as taking too much other med's and have counter effects on you.

PS: soy lecithin is more for brain activity (alzheimer's and dementia etc). It is a boost to cell membranes and many food additives contain it but not in large qty so now it is taken as a suppliment. It has been around for a long time and is considered quasi holistic also even if there is some science behind it. However if you take large doses of it you better double up on your intake of Vitamin C as it is needed to counteract some negative side effects of large qty of soy lecithin.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]> There's a new Go-Go Club called Bada-Bing that looks promising...[/QUOTE]

I liked it. Pretty girls, not bad decor.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]So, if you're getting bored with the Cowboy[/QUOTE]

Just noticed another casualty: Apache has been gutted. So now there's two empty shopfronts: where Tony's used to be and Apache. At least it looks like there's building going on inside ex-Apache.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I do not take horny goat weed. I was on a various multi vitamin system and used ogoplex and semenex before but I have switched since then.

Basic high strength mens multi vitamin (max for men from country life or one of the mens from GNC, anything high strength two pill a day). Then add some vit see (not cialis regular Vitamin C), vit E, cranberry fruit, be 12, green tea, l-llysine, L-arginine, cinnamon, folic acid, garlic, cider vinegar tablets, oil of oregano, calcium, zinc, and selenium. I think that is about it but I could miss one or two.[/QUOTE]You are scaring the guys! They'll start worrying! 90kms biking, no wonder you are able to perform Marathon Feats.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]to watch or "to participate"?

BKK is a place where you can live a non-stop sex show if you want.

Start from Eden and after that it will be like a roller coaster after the first steep downhill[/QUOTE]Thank you Bionicman.

Watch is good, participate is much better.

What do you mean with Eden ?– sorry it’s my first BKK experience.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]I spend a fair amount of time over in Patpong as I live just a few blocks away and my latest "GF" works at a bar there. Lately, I've been seeing some changes for the good, e.g., new bars and go-go clubs, new places to eat, and some nice looking younger girls walking around looking for guys to rock.
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I stayed over there two times last year and went into some bars but didn't find it appealing. Have you ever been into that S&M themed place? Worth an hour?

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I do not take horny goat weed. I was on a various multi vitamin system and used ogoplex and semenex before but I have switched since then.

Nice little zip lock bags I can put in my pocket

Tansak, my feeling is that the load of vitamins, aminoacids, and other substances did not really do the trick.

Your powers resulted from 1) Losing weight, 2) Stopping Alcohol: "It increaseth the desire, but decreaseth the performance", 3) Stopping smoking: Cigarettes decrease the blood flow to the blood vessels in the penis, and this manifests more as you grow older. Thus, smokers are more prone to suffer from erectile dysfunction and reduced stamina; 4) Exercise helps stamina, increases the endorphins and other neurotransmitters in the brain which help the sexual performance, 5) Staying happy, and not mentally stressed, and 6) lastly, your genes have blessed you with you sexual athletiscm.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]
So I walk into the NEP and turn right immediately up the escalator. As I reach the top there is a crowd of female touts waiting to usher me into their respective establishments. I robustly reject all the grabbing hands (one pair actually grabbed me by my right nipple as I tried to pass!), and turned the corner towards Rainbow 4.

I walk in, and my very first impression is 'what a dump.' The girls are up high on a stage, the lighting is awful, and the music is disjointed and tepid. They tried to stick me on a stool right up front, I shook my head and refused. They tried some other crapo spot, then another, until I finally got a crapo spot in the back.

I ordered my Coke and took a breath, perusing the offerings. My impression is that there is an awful lot of worn-out meat at Rainbow 4 - weathered faces, overly stretched thighs, lumpy buttocks, and let's not talk about the breasts. Having said that, within this wall of sexed-up road kill are several very, very cute girls. I sat there for 30 minutes and counted three very doable girls. One had a very pretty face, thick thighs (which I like, by the way), reasonable breasts, and seemed to be in her early-mid twenties. The other had a spectacular face, I mean absolutely model-like, but with fake titties. And the last was similar to the second one.

My drink arrived and as I sipped it I sensed danger. As I swallowed the drink, I realized it was not Coke, or any other kind of made-for-human-consumption beverage. It tasted like foul sink water. I literally spat the shit out, held the glass up to the light, and deduced that it was Coke that had been watered down, roughly 1 part Coke 1 part water, 1 part ice. I'm not the kind to complain, usually, so I sat there and fumed for a minute or two, until the waitress came over to me with a big grin on her face. I said 'Not now, Twinkles', but she ignored me and motioned to herself, and then to an old 60 year old woman who looked to be a cleaning lady, and then to me, and indicated she wanted me to engage in the world's most grotesque threesome. I fought the retching reflex, gathered myself, and then ripped into her for bringing me [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] water to drink. She seemed confused, concluded that the three-way was probably not going to happen, and then just walked away.

I paid (yes, I did) and walked out. Me thinks me shall never return.
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Sounds to me like you may be letting the coke incident cloud your judgement. Or maybe there's some other reason for the negative review of Rainbow 4? You can say a lot of negative things about the girls, like they're too dolled up, too cold, too Japanese-oriented or whatever but "weathered faces, overly stretched thighs, lumpy buttocks, and let's not talk about the breasts" is just a silly comment. It has one of the best line-ups in Bangkok. Just remember, it's a meat for cash type bar so don't take anything personally.

[QUOTE=Pita123]I stayed over there two times last year and went into some bars but didn't find it appealing. Have you ever been into that S&M themed place? Worth an hour?[/QUOTE]Yeah, Patpong is not for everyone. But there are some nice women there if one is willing to put in the work to find one.

The S&M club? No, not yet...not really my thing. And, I didn't appreciate it when the barker tapped me on the butt with his crop a few nights ago when i walked past. Now I'm afraid to walk down that little section of Patpong 2!
;)

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Yeah, Patpong is not for everyone. But there are some nice women there if one is willing to put in the work to find one.

The S&M club? No, not yet...not really my thing. And, I didn't appreciate it when the barker tapped me on the butt with his crop a few nights ago when i walked past. Now I'm afraid to walk down that little section of Patpong 2!
;)[/QUOTE]

I hear there is power in numbers. We should head over together next time I'm in town.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I do not take horny goat weed.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I must have read that somewhere else.

Thanks for the extensive reply. As I'm now on the downhill slide toward 100, I want to maximize my performance via good health. Lately, I've been spending more time with younger women and I like to put this time to good use. More stamina and quicker recharge time are important.

[QUOTE]Basic high strength mens multi vitamin (max for men from country life or one of the mens from GNC, anything high strength two pill a day). Then add some vit c (not cialis regular Vitamin C), vit E, cranberry fruit, B 12, green tea, l-llysine, L-arginine, cinnamon, folic acid, garlic, cider vinegar tablets, oil of oregano, calcium, zinc, and selenium.[/QUOTE] That's a fairly extensive set of supplements. I'll have to check the GNC for a good general vitamin. Right now I'm taking a fairly extensive selection, (Vits C, B-complex, B-12, CalMagZinc, L-Lysine, glucosamine chondroitin), but mainly for joint strength, nerve regeneration, and general health.

[QUOTE]Many vitamins are not for punting but some like cranberry can help ward off Urinary Tract Infections and other things.... steep a teaspoon of cinnamon in hot water then when it cools add two teaspoons of honey (do not add while hot as it kills the enzymes you want) then drink half, refrigerate half and finish it in the morning. That supposedly helps sugar and fat metabolism as well as blocks some fat absorption as well as gives me a nice boost or kicker....For fungus I find a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar with a glass of water will kill any fungal infection (heat rash, jock itch, athletes foot, parasites in your system etc..) and such. In SEA and with Bar girls the more protection from urinary tract and infections I can get without going through antibiotics (and many are getting to be resistant to antibiotics) the better off I am. You can also wipe with Vinegar on the skin and it will kill due to the acid many fungus and yeast items that you might get on your body. [/QUOTE] Good tips here. It's way too easy to get antibiotics in TH and one has to be careful not to overuse them. The Snake Brand powder is a must in Bangkok's heat for jock rash!

[QUOTE]I should do more stretches, plilates, yoga or such and lose 10 more lbs but just not enough time but there are always excuses not to do things...[/QUOTE] Yes, I know what you mean.

[QUOTE]PS: soy lecithin is more for brain activity (alzheimer's and dementia etc).[/QUOTE]So. that's why they tell me I am [i]hansum[/i] and smart!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]The Snake Brand powder is a must in Bangkok's heat for jock rash!![/QUOTE]

I always stock up on Snake Brand Prickly Heat Anti Bacterial... but remember that is to help against bacteria... Works good, great price, good product.

But the vinegar works against items like yeast and fungals that antibiotics / antibacterial's won't touch. I had a fungal infection that was misdiagnosed as a bacterial and by taking antibiotics they shut down part of the system so the fungal grows deeper and worse instead of getting better.

But you want apple cider vinegar not white vinegar and you should try to go for organic if possible. An ounce of prevention...

Further I think drugstore.com ship to thailand... I found the GNC to be terribly understocked in the selection available.... but I also find customs to be a real pain in the ass even on simple items.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]

That's a fairly extensive set of supplements. I'll have to check the GNC for a good general vitamin. Right now I'm taking a fairly extensive selection, (Vits C, B-complex, B-12, CalMagZinc, L-Lysine, glucosamine chondroitin), but mainly for joint strength, nerve regeneration, and general health.
[/QUOTE]

Damn, I think I need you guys to take me vitamin shopping!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Sorry, I must have read that somewhere else.

Thanks for the extensive reply. As I'm now on the downhill slide toward 100, I want to maximize my performance via good health. Lately, I've been spending more time with younger women and I like to put this time to good use. More stamina and quicker recharge time are important.

That's a fairly extensive set of supplements. I'll have to check the GNC for a good general vitamin. Right now I'm taking a fairly extensive selection, (Vits C, B-complex, B-12, CalMagZinc, L-Lysine, glucosamine chondroitin), but mainly for joint strength, nerve regeneration, and general health.

Good tips here. It's way too easy to get antibiotics in TH and one has to be careful not to overuse them. The Snake Brand powder is a must in Bangkok's heat for jock rash!

Yes, I know what you mean.

So. That's why they tell me I am [I]hansum[/I] and smart![/QUOTE]I find Beer Chang cleans all toxins and just about everything else out.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]So. that's why they tell me I am [i]hansum[/i] and smart![/QUOTE]

Yeah that's your dementia kicking in again... better up the qty of med's :D

[QUOTE=*****man]Sounds to me like you may be letting the coke incident cloud your judgement. Or maybe there's some other reason for the negative review of Rainbow 4? You can say a lot of negative things about the girls, like they're too dolled up, too cold, too Japanese-oriented or whatever but "weathered faces, overly stretched thighs, lumpy buttocks, and let's not talk about the breasts" is just a silly comment. It has one of the best line-ups in Bangkok. Just remember, it's a meat for cash type bar so don't take anything personally.[/QUOTE]

Coke incident and potential hideous 3-way aside, I can honestly say their line up, at least on the one night I was there in January, was pathetic (I was in there a year ago and it was far, far better then). It may be that on this one night I was unlucky in which girls happened to be on stage, but the girls were indeed weathered and looked very beaten down. That's all I can report on - if you have had different experiences with Rainbow 4, then you should report them and let readers decide for themselves whether they will visit the place.

Bottom line for me: I was not impressed. As I wrote in my report, of the approx. 30 girls on the stage, there were only three potentials - the others were not worth a second glance. Overall, *in my opinion*, you stand a better chance of finding something special at Mandarin than at Rainbow 4. But again, this is just my opinion based upon my 1 visit to Rainbow 4 and my dozen or so visits to Mandarin.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]For fungus I find a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar with a glass of water will kill any fungal infection (heat rash, jock itch, athletes foot, parasites in your system etc..) and such. In SEA and with Bar girls the more protection from urinary tract and infections I can get without going through antibiotics (and many are getting to be resistant to antibiotics) the better off I am. You can also wipe with Vinegar on the skin and it will kill due to the acid many fungus and yeast items that you might get on your body.[/QUOTE]Apple cider vinegar, the one with the " mother" a.k.a as bacterial culture is also very positive as a natural means of lowering cholesterol. My scores went down and stayed down after taking a daily glass. Way cheaper than Lipovitan, but as with all natural products, the claim of " wonderfulness" are greatly exaggerated.

[QUOTE=Kenster]I was under the impression that kamagra comes in pill forms, like cialis and viagra?

There is a pharmacy at the corner of Sukhumvit Soi 11 that sells Kamagra pills.

Havent heard of a gel or liquid though. Can anyone enlighten me on the difference?

So sorry if its been mentioned before though. i will make it a point to ask for it on my next trip. :)
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Kamagra is available in pill form or gel which comes in a small sachet, prices are the same ----- the gel form comes in various flavours ---- this site supplies to the UK ----

[url]http://www.kamagranow.co.uk/productindex.html[/url]

Can anyone recommend a cheap place in Sukhumvit to do your laundry? Preferably by the kilo

I went to one place yesterday and for about 12 pieces they tried to charge me 1,100. When I said no they were going to drop it down to 800. Still no way I'm paying $25 for a load of laundry.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Can anyone recommend a cheap place in Sukhumvit to do your laundry? Preferably by the kilo

I went to one place yesterday and for about 12 pieces they tried to charge me 1,100. When I said no they were going to drop it down to 800. Still no way I'm paying $25 for a load of laundry.[/QUOTE]

I have also noticed that they have more and more charging per item instead of kg...

You could try a place in Soi 11, on your left hand, i guess you know where Cheap Charlies is, so between CC and 7/11 there is a restaurant, i think it is on the second floor. I think its an austrian or swiss place and they at least did laundry there, by the kg.

Its worth a try

Hi all,

I'll be headed to Bkk soon for a weekend with my gf, and kinky gal that she is, she has agreed to try a threesome with another guy with me. Now I know it might be strange to some that I'd want to see my gal screwed by another guy, but it turns me on majorly thinking about her getting tag-teamed.

Seeing as this would be our first time, I'd prefer it to be someone "professional" or perhaps in a swingers-club like setting so it wouldnt feel that awkward after the fact (yea, fantasies can be great, but once the deed is done, both of us might feel differently!).

Does anyone know a club, website, area in town, etc. where I might research more about such services? I know there's a street with male strippers but can't quite recall where it is. Or if anyone could reccommend a particular escort, that'll be great too. I've thought about trying AFF but that site is a mess.

Thanks in advance. Will post a FR if fantasy does indeed become reality!

Had to learn the hard way. Well, I'm no newbie when it comes to things like this. I know things like this happen everywhere but out of possibly hundreds of ST encounters in ST rooms in SEA this is the first time it happens. After all, I am Egyptian and come from Egypt which is the land of all kinds of thievery and scams so I had always assumed Thailand is at least better in these circumstances.

Anyway, I bring a new girl from Nana Parking Lot to the short-time room "Penthouse" and she acts friendly and everything is alright. When she showered first she left her handbag next to the bed. Anyhow I finish the session and give her the agreed amount and then head for the shower alone with my phone inside the pocket of my jeans left next to the bed. Thankfully I had left my wallet in my hotel. Not 3 minutes later I walk out of the shower and her (presumably) Thai boyfriend is inside the room with her in bed with my phone in his hand. They both ask for 5000 baht so I can get my phone back, to which I refuse and in any case did not have with me. Now believe it or not I am so thin even slimmer than the average Thai and there was no way I would dare physically start a fight in a foreign land, so as I make an arguement and raise my voice the Penthouse staff and random people gather and they pretend not to understand what is going on (even though it is obvious that a stranger had gotten into the room and I am still in my bathrobe). Next, the girl and her Thai friend run into a taxi and escape with nobody stopping them or attempting to question them. With the license plate number of the taxi memorized I went to the police station and explained the whole story but they are not too keen on doing anything as apparently prostitution is illegal in the first place or maybe they thought my nationality was not worth their attention?? Kind of like how we treat non-Caucasian people like African people here in Egypt.

What really strikes me is how the Penthouse staff just let any random stranger into the ST rooms when a room is occupied??

[QUOTE=Evianist]Can anyone recommend a cheap place in Sukhumvit to do your laundry? Preferably by the kilo

I went to one place yesterday and for about 12 pieces they tried to charge me 1,100. When I said no they were going to drop it down to 800. Still no way I'm paying $25 for a load of laundry.[/QUOTE]

I've always bemoaned the lack of laundry options in the area and the price.
There are a couple of places down Soi 4 (opp Rajah) who from memory charge between 5 -25 baht a piece. Still not cheap, but an improvement.
There is another place down Soi 5 but not sure of the prices.

[QUOTE=Egy Monger]Had to learn the hard way. Well, I'm no newbie when it comes to things like this. I know things like this happen everywhere but out of possibly hundreds of ST encounters in ST rooms in SEA this is the first time it happens. After all, I am Egyptian and come from Egypt which is the land of all kinds of thievery and scams so I had always assumed Thailand is at least better in these circumstances.

Anyway, I bring a new girl from Nana Parking Lot to the short-time room "Penthouse" and she acts friendly and everything is alright. When she showered first she left her handbag next to the bed. Anyhow I finish the session and give her the agreed amount and then head for the shower alone with my phone inside the pocket of my jeans left next to the bed. Thankfully I had left my wallet in my hotel. Not 3 minutes later I walk out of the shower and her (presumably) Thai boyfriend is inside the room with her in bed with my phone in his hand. They both ask for 5000 baht so I can get my phone back, to which I refuse and in any case did not have with me. Now believe it or not I am so thin even slimmer than the average Thai and there was no way I would dare physically start a fight in a foreign land, so as I make an arguement and raise my voice the Penthouse staff and random people gather and they pretend not to understand what is going on (even though it is obvious that a stranger had gotten into the room and I am still in my bathrobe). Next, the girl and her Thai friend run into a taxi and escape with nobody stopping them or attempting to question them. With the license plate number of the taxi memorized I went to the police station and explained the whole story but they are not too keen on doing anything as apparently prostitution is illegal in the first place or maybe they thought my nationality was not worth their attention?? Kind of like how we treat non-Caucasian people like African people here in Egypt.

What really strikes me is how the Penthouse staff just let any random stranger into the ST rooms when a room is occupied??[/QUOTE]

That really sucks bro. I came very close myself once.
Picked up a hot FL in Nana one night. Went to my hotel, only to discover they wouldn't let her in because she had no ID. The hotel was The Dawin and ofcourse, this is generally a good thing. Alarm bells rang and it should have ended there.
Still, I was horny as hell and a little drunk.
She persuaded me to a short time hotel...actually, one of those love motels somewhere down the bowels of Soi 11 I think.
Man, was I stupid. Took a shower with my wallet and phone with her in the room. Luckily, the bathroom door was directly ajacent to the motel room door. So, very cleverly (not) I left the bathroom door slightly ajar and showered with an eagle eye on the door crack waiting for a flash of movement to pass and any sound.
Luckily, there were no dramas, but it was a stupid risk which I've never repeated.
I remember thinking that if she was prepared to go to my hotel with decent security it would be safe, she would not be looking to rip me off, but of course, it could have been an elaborate plan, knowing she would be rejected and getting me to another hotel. The thought of her bolting was constantly on my mind while showering, but it never occured to me at the time that accomplice may enter.

As an aside, a mate of mine got ripped of in his hotel room by a girl who bolted, but in her haste to get away, she dropped her ID card. My mate went to the police and there was a lot of paper shuffling and concerned frowns but not much else. Later that night, we slipped the local shoe-shine boys and flower girls some baht and showed them the girls details. Off they went and a few hours later they had located her. We went tearing to the location but just missed her. Damn!

Anyway mate, sorry to hijack your post with my stories, and sorry to hear about you situation. You're not the first and wont be the last.

'female Viagra': http:// dvice . com/ archives /2010/02/biotechnologist.php

A couple of days late for Valentine's Day but just in time for Mardi Gras, we find out biotechnology scientists have discovered a compound that functions like a female version of the male libido-enhancing drug Viagra.

Called Flibanserin, this alleged female aphrodisiac was originally developed as an antidepressant. Like most antidepressants, the drug's efficacy was questionable. Strangely enough, after 24 weeks of popping the pills, women found themselves a whole lot hornier than they were when they started treatment, enjoying "an increase in satisfactory sexual encounters."

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]'female Viagra': http:// dvice . com/ archives /2010/02/biotechnologist.php

A couple of days late for Valentine's Day but just in time for Mardi Gras, we find out biotechnology scientists have discovered a compound that functions like a female version of the male libido-enhancing drug Viagra.

Called Flibanserin, this alleged female aphrodisiac was originally developed as an antidepressant. Like most antidepressants, the drug's efficacy was questionable. Strangely enough, after 24 weeks of popping the pills, women found themselves a whole lot hornier than they were when they started treatment, enjoying "an increase in satisfactory sexual encounters."[/QUOTE]

An item has been marketed and promoted for a while now. I know some guys who have gotten this and used it on girls with mixed reports

[url]http://www.onlinepillspro.com/buy/female_viagra.html[/url]

I'm not endorsing the web site or the product or such just the first site I found with the right product...

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]'female Viagra': http:// dvice . com/ archives /2010/02/biotechnologist.php

...like a female version of the male libido-enhancing drug Viagra.

...after 24 weeks of popping the pills, women found themselves a whole lot hornier ...[/QUOTE]Well, I didn't try it. Nor did any of my 'loved ones'. But: Viagra isn't libido-enhancing, it's stamina enhancing. At best.

And if Flibawhatsoever takes 24 weeks to show any effect? Nah, can't wait that long.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]An item has been marketed and promoted for a while now. I know some guys who have gotten this and used it on girls with mixed reports

[url]http://www.onlinepillspro.com/buy/female_viagra.html[/url]

I'm not endorsing the web site or the product or such just the first site I found with the right product...[/QUOTE]This is just normal viagra with the word 'female' on the box... :)

There have been no studies to show it is effective, and Pfizer (who wouldn't miss a trick on this one) said in 2004:

"... results from clinical studies investigating the use of Viagra as a treatment for female sexual arousal disorder do not support a regulatory filing. To date the company has conducted several large-scale placebo-controlled studies involving approximately 3,000 women. While Viagra was found to be safe in all studies, efficacy data were inconclusive. Pfizer said the program would draw to a close this month".

Of course, a lot of the effect is psychological.

Incidentally, Flibanserin appears to have a slight effect in enhancing female pleasure, but probably not so much that one would notice, and it has to be taken for 4 weeks with side-effects including headaches... :(

[QUOTE=Evianist]Can anyone recommend a cheap place in Sukhumvit to do your laundry? Preferably by the kilo

I went to one place yesterday and for about 12 pieces they tried to charge me 1,100. When I said no they were going to drop it down to 800. Still no way I'm paying $25 for a load of laundry.[/QUOTE]
At least one place way down Soi 4 will do it by the kg. I think they wanted 50 baht per kg, but I am not recalling for sure. It's a haircut shop with sign in the window that says they accept laundry.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Can anyone recommend a cheap place in Sukhumvit to do your laundry? Preferably by the kilo.

I went to one place yesterday and for about 12 pieces they tried to charge me 1,100. When I said no they were going to drop it down to 800. Still no way I'm paying $25 for a load of laundry.[/QUOTE]Try a laundry where the locals go, they can be found in almost every Soi.

I really like the plentiful mirrors and big tubs in some of the nicer soapy masasage places. Are there are nice (or at least not too skeezy) love hotels suitable for taking a farang gf. Plenty of mirrors a must. Big bath a bonus.

[quote=evianist]can anyone recommend a cheap place in sukhumvit to do your laundry? preferably by the kilo

i went to one place yesterday and for about 12 pieces they tried to charge me 1, 100. when i said no they were going to drop it down to 800. still no way i'm paying $25 for a load of laundry.[/quote]try soi 8, on the right hand side before you hit [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. can't remember the name but they are a combo internet cafe and laundermat/wash/fold.

charged by the kilo and thought it was very reasonable.

if you drop off early they can have it for you later in the day. no extra charge!

[QUOTE=Egy Monger]Had to learn the hard way. Well, I'm no newbie when it comes to things like this. I know things like this happen everywhere but out of possibly hundreds of ST encounters in ST rooms in SEA this is the first time it happens. After all, I am Egyptian and come from Egypt which is the land of all kinds of thievery and scams so I had always assumed Thailand is at least better in these circumstances.

Anyway, I bring a new girl from Nana Parking Lot to the short-time room "Penthouse" and she acts friendly and everything is alright. When she showered first she left her handbag next to the bed. Anyhow I finish the session and give her the agreed amount and then head for the shower alone with my phone inside the pocket of my jeans left next to the bed. Thankfully I had left my wallet in my hotel. Not 3 minutes later I walk out of the shower and her (presumably) Thai boyfriend is inside the room with her in bed with my phone in his hand. They both ask for 5000 baht so I can get my phone back, to which I refuse and in any case did not have with me. Now believe it or not I am so thin even slimmer than the average Thai and there was no way I would dare physically start a fight in a foreign land, so as I make an arguement and raise my voice the Penthouse staff and random people gather and they pretend not to understand what is going on (even though it is obvious that a stranger had gotten into the room and I am still in my bathrobe). Next, the girl and her Thai friend run into a taxi and escape with nobody stopping them or attempting to question them. With the license plate number of the taxi memorized I went to the police station and explained the whole story but they are not too keen on doing anything as apparently prostitution is illegal in the first place or maybe they thought my nationality was not worth their attention?? Kind of like how we treat non-Caucasian people like African people here in Egypt.

What really strikes me is how the Penthouse staff just let any random stranger into the ST rooms when a room is occupied??[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that, that sucks. It sounds to me like a full set up, in which the Penthouse staff are getting a kickback, and I assume this may have happened more than once? Tell as many people as possible, boycott the Penthouse, they will soon lose enough business if word gets out. You should have called the tourist police as opposed to the police. Not that it necessarily would have made a world of difference, although at least in theory it is supposed to. Is your phone actually worth 5000 baht (or should I say 10, 000, as they will be selling it used)?

[QUOTE=Mouse1]Of course, a lot of the effect is psychological.[/QUOTE]

Many of the items are psychological

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Many of the items are psychological[/QUOTE]
Some are optical. If I don't have my glasses on no amount of vitamin V would keep me going. With my glasses on I don't need vitamin V at all. ;)

I really gotta get the eyes lasered.

[QUOTE=Pita123]Some are optical. If I don't have my glasses on no amount of vitamin V would keep me going. With my glasses on I don't need vitamin V at all. ;)

I really gotta get the eyes lasered.[/QUOTE]

I agree optical and "other attributes" assist my psycoholgical abilities to keep going. For me usually two shots on a girl and I am ready to switch girls to keep going. Once I've been there and done it all to the girls they lose the appeal for me (for that day). But now move to a new girl and hello.... I'm ready...

When I find a girl that excites me enough that I want to pound her all day and night long (and if helps if she lets me pound her all day and night) I try to keep them ;)

Unfortunately I got two that fit the bill right now and two ex's like this that still want back on the playing field and get the chance to be substitutes at times still. Really limits my mongering abilities, but I do my best to still hit a ST to keep the variety going.

Just posted this on another thread but can't hurt to post it here under the BKK thread just in case someone could have helpful info.

Had an accident recently that resulted in having my 2 back molars taken out (one above and one below). Dentist recommended that I should get implants to replace my missing 2 teeth instead of the usual bridges.
Problem is my dental insurance with my job really sucks and don't pay for bridges or implants. Dentist said the implants will cost over $2500-3000 for EACH tooth!!!!

I've heard BKK had good dental hospitals that may rival the ones at home at a much lower price even with the cost of RT airfare and hotel cost. So thinking of traveling to BKK to have the work done and having a monger vacation while I'm there.

1) what is the best dental hospital in BKK or best dentist (office) for implants in BKK
2) any idea what an implant will cost
3) if I decide to do it in BKK, how would I get information about booking an appointment and finding out the final cost.
4) how many days would I need to stay in BKK for the procedure.

Anyone with prior experience or knowledge about implants or surgical dental procedures or recommendations can PM me or post info so I could get started. Hate not being able to chew my food well.

Thanks

Shark

There is a great German dentist in Pattaya. He is much cheaper than the dental Hospital in Bangkok Sukh Soi 49.
The problem is that implants are not cheap since they are imported from Switzerland. Furthermore that dentist will only accept you for an implant if you don't smoke, because of the high risk of complications.

If you need the contact, PM me. You could call him for a second opinion on if you need an implant at all.

[email]dentalwhiteclinic@gmail.com[/email] Soi 22 in BKK... email them for your answers...

Should have a thread for tailors and dentists only... Will agree with Tiger888 that it is cheaper in Pattaya however but I've used the above firm with good results.

Saying this nicely, if you would have done a simple search you will find hundreds of reports / comments / replies about dentists go guide you on details on contacting them directly with your questions... Many other members posted other dental clinics for various items.

Depending on your airfare, how long to stay, you might break even depending on the type of room you stay at, how many girls you shag, etc... I assume it would not be a short procedure. But you'd have a hell of lot more fun in recovery in Thai then in other countries. Personally I saved a shit load on my dental work but I was already going to thai for other reasons.

Question:

If you have a friend visiting BKK for the first time, which 2 places would you take him to first and why?

[QUOTE=Evianist]Question:

If you have a friend visiting BKK for the first time, which 2 places would you take him to first and why?[/QUOTE]

Pattaya and Phuket :D

OK... for me probably would be Tulip due to overall consistency in getting good sex. Can hit up a few MP's but Tulip has usually shown the most consistent level of talent.

Second would be a toss up depending on the guy....

Should walk through cowboy can stay and pick up there for girls or not.... could hit eden depending how kinky he is... Patpong I personally avoid but SOL if he likes getting blown in public would be a place to go... Beer Garden / Gullivers / the night spots and Thermane for free lancers... Walking down Sukhumvit late at night for free lancers... soi 33 for hostess bars, and I guess I'd have to throw in a trip to NEP.

Some of them are day time items and some are night time so you can do more then two. Then you got to figure in your late afternoon early evening soapy run's which really cloud the overall picture.... You can mix a lot into a few days....

I should change that to which 2 gogo bars.

I was thinking about taking him to a place with a show first, like Sheba's or Suzie Wong's, and then maybe Baccara or upstairs Mandarin?

[QUOTE=Evianist]I should change that to which 2 gogo bars.

I was thinking about taking him to a place with a show first, like Sheba's or Suzie Wong's, and then maybe Baccara or upstairs Mandarin?[/QUOTE]

Shows are later at night... warm him up with a visit through Baccara, Tilac, Shark then hit up with a seat at Suzy Wong then finish the night pulling from where he likes...

[QUOTE=Sharka]Just posted this on another thread but can't hurt to post it here under the BKK thread just in case someone could have helpful info.

Had an accident recently that resulted in having my 2 back molars taken out (one above and one below). Dentist recommended that I should get implants to replace my missing 2 teeth instead of the usual bridges.
Problem is my dental insurance with my job really sucks and don't pay for bridges or implants. Dentist said the implants will cost over $2500-3000 for EACH tooth!!!!

I've heard BKK had good dental hospitals that may rival the ones at home at a much lower price even with the cost of RT airfare and hotel cost. So thinking of traveling to BKK to have the work done and having a monger vacation while I'm there.

1) what is the best dental hospital in BKK or best dentist (office) for implants in BKK
2) any idea what an implant will cost
3) if I decide to do it in BKK, how would I get information about booking an appointment and finding out the final cost.
4) how many days would I need to stay in BKK for the procedure.

Anyone with prior experience or knowledge about implants or surgical dental procedures or recommendations can PM me or post info so I could get started. Hate not being able to chew my food well.

Thanks

Shark[/QUOTE]I would recommend :

[url]http://www.bangkoksmiledental.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Shows are later at night... warm him up with a visit through Baccara, Tilac, Shark then hit up with a seat at Suzy Wong then finish the night pulling from where he likes...[/QUOTE]We were at Suzie Wong's last night and the normally good lesbo show sucked. I brought a visiting friend there and I apologized for it today. I also had to chase away one of the girls who latched onto him as she was a nut case. Really bad. And the "C-team" dancers are getting worse and worse...what's wrong with that place? The only thing I can think is that the hot dancers were all barfined out by 11.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]We were at Suzie Wong's last night and the normally good lesbo show sucked. I brought a visiting friend there and I apologized for it today. I also had to chase away one of the girls who latched onto him as she was a nut case. Really bad. And the "C-team" dancers are getting worse and worse...what's wrong with that place? The only thing I can think is that the hot dancers were all barfined out by 11.[/QUOTE]


I've been avoiding Wong's because the same chubby girl always sits next to me and won't leave me alone. I think now the other girls probably think I'm her regular customer or something.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Shows are later at night... warm him up with a visit through Baccara, Tilac, Shark then hit up with a seat at Suzy Wong then finish the night pulling from where he likes...[/QUOTE]

Never saw the show at Suzy Wong that I can recall. I'd say Long Gun and (Baccara or Shark)

[QUOTE=Oldian]Nobody takes laptops, cameras or phones away in Myanmar. Have been there 3 times, same with friends. As a tourist, they stamp you in and that is that. I was even there right after the Saffron Revolution with a professional camera, lenses, and a laptop and was whisked right in.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that, maybe I won't bother.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I can understand that but where are you staying in BKK? Most places I've been at I leave my luggage and items with them, never a problem, including electronics and high end items. I think there is a place in Silom that I can look up that I heard an associate used and I think CB Lockers.[/QUOTE]I'll probably be at the Dynasty Inn.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]see] [url]http://www.safedepositboxbangkok.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
The website seems to offer only yearly rental, which is too long for me. A month would be OK.

Just returned from a tour of bangkok and a few other cities. Soi cowboy was a disappointment compared to a few years ago. Suzy wong and Long Gun start the shows at 10 if I remember right. Suzy and Long Gun were both a disappointment. Not much nudity and such as before it seems. I got bored at Long gun waiting foe something to happen and left about 30 minutes into the show.
Baccara had some good loking talent but the waitresses drive me crazy. Sit , but a drink otherwise leave. Christ you can't even get hardly into the door.

Talac was no pressure and had some cuties. No topless or anything when I was in there. A couple of the nights it was pretty dead on the whole street. You can pretty much have the time to move around and check the places out. Start with Baccara and move down the street.
Just my opinion of what I saw.

My nudity comment was about Soi cowboy, not Long gun or Suzy Wong.

[QUOTE=Evianist]I've been avoiding Wong's because the same chubby girl always sits next to me and won't leave me alone. I think now the other girls probably think I'm her regular customer or something.[/QUOTE]Are you talkin' about the mamasan? If so, you need to stop squeezing her big teets when she pulls up her blouse for you.
Otherwise, she will never go away!

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Should have a thread for tailors and dentists only... [/QUOTE]I had some shirts made at Milan Suit last week and I am very pleased with their work. 1200 baht ea., took about three days.
It's right next to the Asoke BTS station on the "even" side.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]I had some shirts made at Milan Suit last week and I am very pleased with their work. 1200 baht ea., took about three days.

It's right next to the Asoke BTS station on the "even" side.[/QUOTE]The proof of great suits, is in how well they last with use. Its so hard to tell initially.

Cowboy is OK but Nana is easier as everything is pretty much in one place. I think that for a newbie, it's easier to handle. THEN take him to Cowboy (alternately, the bus ride down/back to Pattaya RON)

[QUOTE=Sharka]Just posted this on another thread but can't hurt to post it here under the BKK thread just in case someone could have helpful info.

Had an accident recently that resulted in having my 2 back molars taken out (one above and one below). Dentist recommended that I should get implants to replace my missing 2 teeth instead of the usual bridges.
Problem is my dental insurance with my job really sucks and don't pay for bridges or implants. Dentist said the implants will cost over $2500-3000 for EACH tooth!!!!

I've heard BKK had good dental hospitals that may rival the ones at home at a much lower price even with the cost of RT airfare and hotel cost. So thinking of traveling to BKK to have the work done and having a monger vacation while I'm there.

1) what is the best dental hospital in BKK or best dentist (office) for implants in BKK
2) any idea what an implant will cost
3) if I decide to do it in BKK, how would I get information about booking an appointment and finding out the final cost.
4) how many days would I need to stay in BKK for the procedure.

Anyone with prior experience or knowledge about implants or surgical dental procedures or recommendations can PM me or post info so I could get started. Hate not being able to chew my food well.

Thanks

Shark[/QUOTE]

You should take note of the places mentioned by Tansak and Tiger888, also in Bangkok the Bumrungrad Hospital Soi 3, across from Grace Hotel is the most well known.

In Pattaya, there are many and I have tried Tiger888 recommendation last year and it is tops and recently I tried another place not so far up from Foodland that I was very impressed with and slightly cheaper but German Dental might have a advantage for you due to time since they have their own lab on site and cater to Farangs on the go..

As for Implants, I went to a short discussion on implant last year given by a Doctor from Siracha Hospital near Pattaya and they indicated a implant takes at least 2 plus weeks since they need the stem? to set in your gum prior to finishing the job. Members on this board that might have had the procedure might what to confirm that...

Depending when you come right now I'm in the States and don't have the exact address or website for the mentioned places in Pattaya.

LBM

I just had dental inplant completed in Bangkok. This was at Asavant Dental off of sukumvit.

Very easy to get to and very professional. Seemed expensive but did not really keep track of the difference compared to USA dental work.

Maybe I saved some money but it was also time consuming.

The first part is the post that is drilled into your bone. This takes about six months healing and then you return for the second part.

With that there was some work that took seperate appointments with some time in between. Maybe one week.

I did lose track of all the details.

However now I have found a very good dentist in Philippines. Which is much cheaper and very reliable. So my future dental work will be done in the Philippines.

By the way I still feel numb where my inplant was completed.

The bone and tooth area do not feel the same as before but not a major problem.

I can add more information later if needed. The asavant dental has a web site and you can email and get estimates.

Compare to USA dentist or elsewhere. And shop around.

The dentist there are very very good. This may be a more expensive place in Bangkok so you can do it for less.

[QUOTE=MauiDude]I just had dental inplant completed in Bangkok. This was at Asavant Dental off of sukumvit.[/QUOTE]It says you don't accept PM's. IN that case would you either change the setting or send me one so I can ask you a few easy Q's without making this an international dental guide.

First a review.

I've used Bangkok Gold Escorts a few times and always found the girls to be beautiful, trouble free, and excellent in bed. The prices. Well, they are what they are and either it fits your budget or it doesn't. For me the service has been excellent.

And then a question.

But of course variety is the spice of life so what are some other well reputed high end options in BKK?

[QUOTE=Unirii]It says you don't accept PM's. IN that case would you either change the setting or send me one so I can ask you a few easy Q's without making this an international dental guide.[/QUOTE]I did not pay subscription so not allowed to pm. But good idea anyway for me to subscriB. It is very informative on here.

I missspelled asavanant, sukhumvit soi 55 by thong lor bts station.

Will take me a bit of time to get my subscription here.

I think you can get just as good a denist in Philippines. But be very careful.

Why were there so many big groups of guys last night in Soi Cowboy?

there was one group with green t-shirts that said tart or something
another group with plain white t-shirts with marker writing on them
another group with some kind of mexican looking costumes on


at one point I was in Suzy Wong's and 2 of the groups were in there and it was just awful -- they turned it into a frathouse, and honestly the guys seemed more into each other than the girls


in Wong's the girls weren't too friendly. one girl in particular I had my eye on but she snubbed me. luckily the chubby girl didn't bother me. maybe she's forgotten me.

also went to Shark and the girls were very average looking. there was only 1 I actually wanted to sleep with. the fact that the rest of them were charging money was a bit of an insult.

went to Rio and the second I walked in I got mauled by a girl I took home a month ago. I thought maybe she'd forgotten me or she'd just say hello, but she came over and wouldn't leave my side. was pretty annoying since there were some other cute girls there I wanted to try.

finally went to Climax and ended up taking home a freelancer around 4AM. she was delightful. too many guys in Climax, not enough girls. Pickings were slim

For some reason about half the time when I go to Soi Cowboy a girl I like will either snub me or end up with another guy and if it happens in a couple places I'll go into some mental spiral and get in a really negative mood and just end up dwelling on it and making myself miserable.

I'm sure it's some weird hangup, but it doesn't usually happen when I go to Nana. I'm actually kind of scared of going to Cowboy because I think I'll get in a bad mood.

You have to use the tactic that those use who have phobias use to break the pattern.

Youi have to sort of do the opposite of what you'd expect. Go in. Not care. Have fun. Don't even plan on being with a girl. And more than likely it will happen. That should break the cycle.

Report back. I use PayPal.

[QUOTE=Evianist]For some reason about half the time when I go to Soi Cowboy a girl I like will either snub me or end up with another guy and if it happens in a couple places I'll go into some mental spiral and get in a really negative mood and just end up dwelling on it and making myself miserable.

I'm sure it's some weird hangup, but it doesn't usually happen when I go to Nana. I'm actually kind of scared of going to Cowboy because I think I'll get in a bad mood.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Arno Inaka]Try a laundry where the locals go, they can be found in almost every Soi.[/QUOTE]Make sure they know how to wash, more that often they use gray water and you finish up with smelly clothes, you get what you pay for..

[QUOTE=Evianist]Question:

If you have a friend visiting BKK for the first time, which 2 places would you take him to first and why?[/QUOTE]What will make him have the most fun? Eye candy, shows, atmosphere, barfining hot girls?

I'd say Baccara and Shark but that's b/c I'm all about the eye candy. I can see how some guys ITT don't bother with these places though. Pushy waitresses, often crowded, girls look pretty lifeless dancing on stage.

[QUOTE=Sharka]Just posted this on another thread but can't hurt to post it here under the BKK thread just in case someone could have helpful info.

Had an accident recently that resulted in having my 2 back molars taken out (one above and one below). Dentist recommended that I should get implants to replace my missing 2 teeth instead of the usual bridges.

Problem is my dental insurance with my job really sucks and don't pay for bridges or implants. Dentist said the implants will cost over $2500-3000 for EACH tooth!

I've heard BKK had good dental hospitals that may rival the ones at home at a much lower price even with the cost of RT airfare and hotel cost. So thinking of traveling to BKK to have the work done and having a monger vacation while I'm there.

1) what is the best dental hospital in BKK or best dentist (office) for implants in BKK

2) any idea what an implant will cost

3) if I decide to do it in BKK, how would I get information about booking an appointment and finding out the final cost.

4) how many days would I need to stay in BKK for the procedure.

Anyone with prior experience or knowledge about implants or surgical dental procedures or recommendations can PM me or post info so I could get started. Hate not being able to chew my food well.

Thanks

Shark[/QUOTE]Just had one tooth implant done last week at Thantakit in BKK (check their website thantakit. Com). A bit pricier than the average (looking at $2000US roughly per tooth) but they were the original pioneers on dental implant in Thailand.

And so far so good but need to come back in 4-5 months to put in permanent crown(a good excuse for more mongering!).

[QUOTE=MauiDude]
However now I have found a very good dentist in Philippines. Which is much cheaper and very reliable. So my future dental work will be done in the Philippines.

.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, never thought of giving Philly a try. If you can't PM me, perhaps you can tell me where in Philly I can find the reliable dentist you used and contact info.
Thanks

Shark

[QUOTE=MauiDude]I just had dental inplant completed in Bangkok. This was at Asavant Dental off of sukumvit.

Very easy to get to and very professional. Seemed expensive but did not really keep track of the difference compared to USA dental work.

Maybe I saved some money but it was also time consuming.

The first part is the post that is drilled into your bone. This takes about six months healing and then you return for the second part.

With that there was some work that took seperate appointments with some time in between. Maybe one week.

I did lose track of all the details.

However now I have found a very good dentist in Philippines. Which is much cheaper and very reliable. So my future dental work will be done in the Philippines.

By the way I still feel numb where my inplant was completed.

The bone and tooth area do not feel the same as before but not a major problem.

I can add more information later if needed. The asavant dental has a web site and you can email and get estimates.

Compare to USA dentist or elsewhere. And shop around.

The dentist there are very very good. This may be a more expensive place in Bangkok so you can do it for less.[/QUOTE]I had a gold crown replacement done last year at the Bumrungrad, Soi 3, off Suk'vit in BKK and the service was superb. Cost was 18000 THB all in. Can't speak about implants costs but can highly recommend the professional way everything was handled, including the treatment.

[QUOTE=Egy Monger]Had to learn the hard way.

Anyway, I bring a new girl from Nana Parking Lot to the short-time room "Penthouse" Next, the girl and her Thai friend run into a taxi and escape with nobody stopping them or attempting to question them.

What really strikes me is how the Penthouse staff just let any random stranger into the ST rooms when a room is occupied??[/QUOTE]

If this girl is a regular at NPL you should try and get her picture and post it here. I'll pass it along to a bunch of guys who frequent the place and they can pass the word around on her. I've never heard of anything like this - steal sure - but try to sell your phone back to you? Crazy.

I almost can't believe I made it happened!

A couple of days back, I posted a request for some leads to getting a guy / gal to be involved in a threesome with me and gf (G). Didn't get any replies (not a popular topic, perhaps?), and was a bit dissapointed seeing as the trip was happening soon, and I was hoping to make something happen.

So, who would've imagined that it was G's resourcefulness that saved the day. We've always enjoyed sex on the rougher side, with me sometimes completely dominating her (spanking, long bj's, handcuffs, etc), and seeing that I was into these kind of games, she actually researched for BDSM clubs in BKK before the trip.

This is her first time in Bkk, so as part of her 'tour', I told her I'll take her to the RLD, something that Bangkok was famous for. I picked Patpong over NEP or Soi Cowboy - figured having shops around the area makes it a little less intimidating. None of the go-go bars elicit much of a reaction, I think mostly because the gals look like crap and are distinctly uninterested in doing anything but pose. That is until we walked past BarBar. She immediately commented that thats a bondage club. I feigned ignorance, and curiosity, and asked if she wanted to check it out. She agreed eagerly.

Ok, for those who havent been to BarBar before, this is how it works. There is a cover of THB 900 per person, which includes your first drink and a personalized show. The show is nothing to shout about, a brief lezzie performance (5-10 mins) with some domination, spanking, ropes, and candle wax. After that, you're free to sit around, and watch the shows being performed for the other patrons. Further drinks are THB 300 a piece though, so not exactly a cheap place to stay and indulge.

There are about 20 girls working, 10 being on duty while we were there. Quality wise, most are in the range of 4-5, late 20's, early 30's onwards. We were fortunate to have Tak performed for us (in a slave role) - she's the best looking of the bunch, slim and petite, I'd guess about 26 years old. As part of the show, she came over and started licking up my gf's leg, starting from her ankle all the way to her thighs. It turned me on instantly, seeing another woman running her tongue over G's smooth, pale skin.

We sat around for another 30 mins or so, watching other performances while I gradually steered the conversation towards participating. To cut a long story short, we finally took Tak up to one of the private rooms upstairs. As we were walking upstairs, my heart was beating so fast - I've had threesomes before, but never with a serious girlfriend, and I've always had fantasies of sharing her with others. For some reason, the fantasy is particularly acute when it comes to G - perhaps its the fact that she's the typical 'hot chick' - young, blue-eyed blond, part time model - and the feeling of having enough control over such a desirable woman, that I could give her out to others if I wanted to gives me such a rush.

When we got into the room, Tak stepped out briefly to get some toys, and I started making out with my gal. By the time Tak was back, I had G in her undies, and she immediately joined the fun by removing G's bra and sucking on her nipples. We went in for a shower next, and thats when G had her pussy eaten out by a woman for the first time. The look on her face was indescribable. We yanked her out from the bathroom, and while Tak tied G's wrist to the wall, I slapped her breasts and told her she was going to be our **** to be used and abused for the next few hours. Tak then went down on her knees and ate G out furiously, before taking a large black dildo and working it in and out of my gal's sopping wet ****. By this time, G was moaning in bliss.

My rock-hard cock demanded attention and couldnt wait anymore, so we unchained G from the wall (while still keeping her wrist tied), put her on her knees on a bench, and ram my cock into her mouth while Tak pounded from behind with a strap on. I could hear her moaning around my erection, while her body was rocked back and forth between the 2 of us. To add to her degradation, I facefucked her non stop for a good 15 mins, before pulling her up by the hair and told her i want to see her mouth busy on another ****. She nodded, her eyes half open in ecstacy, and we placed her, on her knees, on the bed. Tak and I switched position, and thats when my gal ate her first pussy. I don't think I'll ever forget the sight of this sweet, beautiful blonde being 'forced' to pleasure a Thai pro.

It was a whirlwind after that. I pulled out and had G licked her own juices off my cock before placing her on her back and fucking her again while Tak sat on her face. After a while, I pulled both of them on their knees, and Tak and my gf took turns sucking me off, and making out with each other. After a while, I was making out with Tak while G continued alternating between BJ and eating Tak out. Then, it was back to more fucking until I could hold it in no longer, and pulled out and came in G's mouth. She swallowed every single drop of it, eventhough I knew she hated the taste of cum.

It was such an incredible experience. I knew G had a kinkier side to her, but she's really a good girl in her everyday behaviour, and I didnt think she'd go so deep so quickly. Tak was the perfect companion for her first time - she knew what to do and kept everything smooth and natural. I can see many more threesomes ahead, as talking to G after confirmed that she is definitely bi-sexual and would love to do this again.

Just writing this and recalling the memory has given me a raging hard on. I'll write more later about our 2nd threesome on the following day, this time MMF.

Cheers!

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Stayed in Chinatown at White Orchid Hotel on Yaowaraj Road. Good value and only about a block from the local full service massage parlor.

It's located in an ally on the right side of the Shanghai Mansion Hotel. If you go at night, look for the Chistmas lights in the ally. At the entrance of Texas, there may be local working girls, going for 500b plus another 200b for short time room/tips etc. Note: Not affiliated with Texas Massage.

As you follow the Texas Massage signs you will pass a bar and a couple of pool tables. Great place for a few guys to meet, drink, shoot pool and get laid.

The fishtank has only about 3/4 girls in the afternoon and maybe 7/8 in the evening. Prices start at 1500b for 1 1/2 hr. Always a young spinner featured by the entrance for 1800b.

I had Lek (from Chiang Rai), about 19, 4'10" 80 lbs. Creamy skin, great body and good performer. She gave me a full body wash in a big tub inside the room. Good lighting, large bed and mirror. Good covered BJ and all positions. No anal.

Good alternative for the obscene prices in Sukhumwit, only a 100b taxi ride away.

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[QUOTE=J Dougherty]I almost can't believe I made it happened!

A couple of days back, I posted a request for some leads to getting a guy / gal to be involved in a threesome with me and gf (G). Didn't get any replies (not a popular topic, perhaps?), and was a bit dissapointed seeing as the trip was happening soon, and I was hoping to make something happen.

So, who would've imagined that it was G's resourcefulness that saved the day. We've always enjoyed sex on the rougher side, with me sometimes completely dominating her (spanking, long bj's, handcuffs, etc), and seeing that I was into these kind of games, she actually researched for BDSM clubs in BKK before the trip.

This is her first time in Bkk, so as part of her 'tour', I told her I'll take her to the RLD, something that Bangkok was famous for. I picked Patpong over NEP or Soi Cowboy - figured having shops around the area makes it a little less intimidating. None of the go-go bars elicit much of a reaction, I think mostly because the gals look like crap and are distinctly uninterested in doing anything but pose. That is until we walked past BarBar. She immediately commented that thats a bondage club. I feigned ignorance, and curiosity, and asked if she wanted to check it out. She agreed eagerly.

Ok, for those who havent been to BarBar before, this is how it works. There is a cover of THB 900 per person, which includes your first drink and a personalized show. The show is nothing to shout about, a brief lezzie performance (5-10 mins) with some domination, spanking, ropes, and candle wax. After that, you're free to sit around, and watch the shows being performed for the other patrons. Further drinks are THB 300 a piece though, so not exactly a cheap place to stay and indulge.

There are about 20 girls working, 10 being on duty while we were there. Quality wise, most are in the range of 4-5, late 20's, early 30's onwards. We were fortunate to have Tak performed for us (in a slave role) - she's the best looking of the bunch, slim and petite, I'd guess about 26 years old. As part of the show, she came over and started licking up my gf's leg, starting from her ankle all the way to her thighs. It turned me on instantly, seeing another woman running her tongue over G's smooth, pale skin.

We sat around for another 30 mins or so, watching other performances while I gradually steered the conversation towards participating. To cut a long story short, we finally took Tak up to one of the private rooms upstairs. As we were walking upstairs, my heart was beating so fast - I've had threesomes before, but never with a serious girlfriend, and I've always had fantasies of sharing her with others. For some reason, the fantasy is particularly acute when it comes to G - perhaps its the fact that she's the typical 'hot chick' - young, blue-eyed blond, part time model - and the feeling of having enough control over such a desirable woman, that I could give her out to others if I wanted to gives me such a rush.

When we got into the room, Tak stepped out briefly to get some toys, and I started making out with my gal. By the time Tak was back, I had G in her undies, and she immediately joined the fun by removing G's bra and sucking on her nipples. We went in for a shower next, and thats when G had her pussy eaten out by a woman for the first time. The look on her face was indescribable. We yanked her out from the bathroom, and while Tak tied G's wrist to the wall, I slapped her breasts and told her she was going to be our **** to be used and abused for the next few hours. Tak then went down on her knees and ate G out furiously, before taking a large black dildo and working it in and out of my gal's sopping wet ****. By this time, G was moaning in bliss.

My rock-hard cock demanded attention and couldnt wait anymore, so we unchained G from the wall (while still keeping her wrist tied), put her on her knees on a bench, and ram my cock into her mouth while Tak pounded from behind with a strap on. I could hear her moaning around my erection, while her body was rocked back and forth between the 2 of us. To add to her degradation, I facefucked her non stop for a good 15 mins, before pulling her up by the hair and told her i want to see her mouth busy on another ****. She nodded, her eyes half open in ecstacy, and we placed her, on her knees, on the bed. Tak and I switched position, and thats when my gal ate her first pussy. I don't think I'll ever forget the sight of this sweet, beautiful blonde being 'forced' to pleasure a Thai pro.

It was a whirlwind after that. I pulled out and had G licked her own juices off my cock before placing her on her back and fucking her again while Tak sat on her face. After a while, I pulled both of them on their knees, and Tak and my gf took turns sucking me off, and making out with each other. After a while, I was making out with Tak while G continued alternating between BJ and eating Tak out. Then, it was back to more fucking until I could hold it in no longer, and pulled out and came in G's mouth. She swallowed every single drop of it, eventhough I knew she hated the taste of cum.

It was such an incredible experience. I knew G had a kinkier side to her, but she's really a good girl in her everyday behaviour, and I didnt think she'd go so deep so quickly. Tak was the perfect companion for her first time - she knew what to do and kept everything smooth and natural. I can see many more threesomes ahead, as talking to G after confirmed that she is definitely bi-sexual and would love to do this again.

Just writing this and recalling the memory has given me a raging hard on. I'll write more later about our 2nd threesome on the following day, this time MMF.

Cheers!

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To my surprise I got a hard on from reading it. Well done.

[QUOTE=Redfield10]You have to use the tactic that those use who have phobias use to break the pattern.

Youi have to sort of do the opposite of what you'd expect. Go in. Not care. Have fun. Don't even plan on being with a girl. And more than likely it will happen. That should break the cycle.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. I rarely plan anything these days. I tend to use the go-go bars as a warm-up act. Go there, watch a couple of shows, buy a few lady-drinks, cuddle a few girls... Then go for a stroll and see what happens. If all else fails there is Nana carpark. I plan to be tucked up in bed by midnight, and I usually am.

I meet her when she worked soi cowboy and she send me lots of web cam. Has anyone seen her or tell me where she works now? Would love to find her when I go back. She goes by Tata

Thanks

[QUOTE=J Dougherty]Just writing this and recalling the memory has given me a raging hard on. I'll write more later about our 2nd threesome on the following day, this time MMF.[/QUOTE]

Damn just reading it has given me a raging hard on. I now want to have a threesome with G and Tak! Cool story, can't wait to hear the rest.

Wow, I have been combing through the forum trying to plan a trip to the mongers captial but honestly don't know were to start. I am already planning for India for a short vacation (one week at most) but have been pointed to Thailand a number of times as the best P4P option hands down.

That said I hope no one is offend by a few questions:

When is the best time/month of year to book flights?

Which is the best city?

I am black (it is unfortunate to have to mention) what effect does that have?

I have been considering the TEFL travel and housing option but worry about heavy supervision anyone TOFTT?

My experience ranges from Tijuana, US and Southern Africa.

Please post or PM and I will share what I can to those interested in the places I have been.

Went to the Bossy Club for the first time.

1. If you are under 35. I think you will love it. If you are an old fart (in my 50's) like me, it may not be for you.

2. I'd say 95% of the crowd was below 35. Nonetheless, there was no shortage of freelancers that were willing to go home with me. I talked to 3 chicks and they all quoted me 3, 000 baht (to start).

3. This really is an after-hours club. I think it goes until 5. 00 AM.

4. Lots of white pussy. Russian I assume.

5. The music was that pulsating obnoxious techno music that I can't stand. The young chickies, however, seem to love it.

6. Make sure you are clear that you want to go to the Bossy Club. Not the Boss Club. Big difference.

[QUOTE=Mushamisi]Wow, I have been combing through the forum trying to plan a trip to the mongers captial but honestly don't know were to start. I am already planning for India for a short vacation (one week at most) but have been pointed to Thailand a number of times as the best P4P option hands down.

That said I hope no one is offend by a few questions:

When is the best time/month of year to book flights?

Which is the best city?

I am black (it is unfortunate to have to mention) what effect does that have?

I have been considering the TEFL travel and housing option but worry about heavy supervision anyone TOFTT?

My experience ranges from Tijuana, US and Southern Africa.

Please post or PM and I will share what I can to those interested in the places I have been.[/QUOTE]Best city depends on what you like? So many variations.

I was going to Thailand for three years and thought I was in heaven. I like Bangkok, Pattaya, phuket and chaing mai. I like adventure in travel, the beach and of course number one is pussy.

Now I live in Philippines, Angeles City. Love it here. The girls come here from everywhere.

Also I am close to subic and puerto galera. Love the ocean. I have four girls living with me.

Being Black, White, American, Foreginer or even local has its advantages and disadvantages.

In Philippines Black men are called Chocolate man. No racial thing. Just some girls will want and some do not. Just like some girls want Japanese or Korean and of course many want American guys of all races. (we have pesonaility and they have pussynality).

So many options of places to go and things to do? Depends on what you like.

In Thailand and Philippines the Police have extorted money from me simply because I am a foreigner, (white guy). Stop me driving because they can shake me down for money

Of course I pay and just think of it as a tax.

Keep researching and especially check the reports of distinction

Good information

[QUOTE=Jamal702]I meet her when she worked soi cowboy and she send me lots of web cam. Has anyone seen her or tell me where she works now? Would love to find her when I go back. She goes by Tata

Thanks[/QUOTE]Hot tits. I like that. Not sure i am into web cam? thanks for the mammories

[QUOTE=J Dougherty]I almost can't believe I made it happened!

A couple of days back, I posted a request for some leads to getting a guy / gal to be involved in a threesome with me and gf (G). Didn't get any replies (not a popular topic, perhaps?), and was a bit dissapointed seeing as the trip was happening soon, and I was hoping to make something happen.

Intimidating. None of the go-go bars elicit much of a reactionthere. Quality wise, most are in the range of 4-5, late 20's, early 30's onwards. We were fortunate to have Tak performed for us (in a slave role). She's the best looking of the bunch, slim and petite, I'd guess about 26 years old. As part of the show, she came over and started licking up my gf's leg, starting from her ankle all the way to her thighs. It turned me on instantly, seeing another woman running her tongue over G's smooth, pale skin.

I have filipina girlfriend. I take her to Thailand all the time with me.

Yes we love to have three somes and moresomes. They are great.

Mostly we get other girls to join, but I am open minded so I do let her have some threesomes and foursomes with guys.

It s all fun. We live in Philippines and sometimes have girls and guys and couples join in. We have three girls living with us so we have built in group sex when wanted. But one girl is shy and wants more privacy.

My girl really likes to have Thai girl join in. And also sometimes a guy or two.

Ha ha. I get plenty of pussy so I am not worried if she has some extra fun.

Originally Posted by Egy Monger

Had to learn the hard way.

Anyway, I bring a new girl from Nana Parking Lot to the short-time room "Penthouse" Next, the girl and her Thai friend run into a taxi and escape with nobody stopping them or attempting to question them.

What really strikes me is how the Penthouse staff just let any random stranger into the ST rooms when a room is occupied??

I am sure this is why at the Nana Hotel they photo copy all the girls id.
They do a very good job at keeping control over the guests. My bad expierence there was because i had some friends come and they took my friends wife id and photo copied and she was very unhappy when they told her she was a prostitute..
It seems they are either too strict or too easy in the area.. As with all of our expierences we have to be alert and take care of ourselves.

Nana Hotel is very strict about the girls and will report them to the police if they cause any problems and they will send copies of their pictures to other hotels and police.

BKK 2 nighter.

Checked into the Ibis Nana, Soi 4. As previously described, clean, close to the Nana Plaza action, Nana BTS and good value.

Went to Big Dogs for an afternoon gander and ended up BFing, ST 1500 THB, a lovely girl from Saraburi who I spotted as I walked in.

A nice GF 2 hours elapsed with the Saraburi lovely, plenty of FK and mutual groping followed by a nice BBBJ + CIM. An interval massage and then a good old hump in mish, cowgirl and a finale of doggie.

Sufficiently satiated I eventually stomped off to the Bier Garden at about 6pm as I hadn't been there for a year or more. Spent a couple of hours watching and the occasional chat to a FL. Reasonable crowd in and some OKish looking FLs about IMO but nothing to float my boat.

Left to return to Nana and cruised the bars and Go-Go's for an hour or 3, I thought Spanky's had some nice talent and also Mandarin, more of that later.

Went to check out Climax which was reasonably busy by the time I arrived.

Soon spotted something for the night and duly departed after a few drinks to the hotel and some fun, 26 year old, nice pair of boobs and a nice and gentle touch. She left at Noon after 3 rounds and 1500 THB to the good.

After brunch and a stroll I ended up at Dream Heaven in Soi 33, opted for the 2 hour Oil in the VIP room with a gorgeous 20 year old. Excellent performance, very willing to please, BBBJ, mish, cowgirl and doggie for round 1 and round 2 was mish and a doggie finale with a massage and Jacuzzi thrown in. Cost 800 THB for the room and 1500 THB to the girl.

One of the best MP experience I have had of late, I intend a repeat visit to DH upon my next visit to BKK.

Returned to Nana and after visiting a couple of bars ended up in Mandarin, 2 line ups on stage the young school girl skirted and the gold hot pants selection. Picked a golden hot panted one, 27 years old with a cute face and great body and certainly knew how to use it. Everything was on offer and we completed 3 rounds of quite intense action before her early afternoon departure. 2000 THB was the agreed price. Completely knackered I checked out and returned to the NE after picking up a visitor at the airport.

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Mushamisi,

There are some Thai girls that will not go with blacks, but if you're well-dressed, well-groomed and polite, the majority will be happy to go with you. I prefer Bangkok, because I like the big city. Others will tell you that Pattaya is cheaper and more laid back. I think Bangkok women are prettier even though more expensive. Pattaya is a beach town, so it's a very casual resort.

As for massage parlors, Tulip, Mango and Snow White are some of the favorites. If you want a two-girl pornstar experience, try Eden.

First time to Bossy Club (different than Boss Club) last night.

First of all, the Bossy Club is an after hours club. I arrived around 2:30 and it was packed but got more packed as the night wore on.

300 baht to get in and that included 1 drink. After I got it, I discovered that drinks cost 200 baht so that means that it really only cost 100 baht to get in.

The music, as you would expect, is that loud techno hip-hop music.

Most of the males were foreigners in the 20's to the low 30's. I'm considerably older so I really stuck out. That didn't bother the girls though because I got plenty of let's-go-fuck stares.

If you're looking for some white meat, you should check out this place. The few that I talked to were eastern European or Russian.

I was quoted 2,000 and 3,000 by two Thai girls. The white meat wanted 5,000.

[QUOTE=Mushamisi]
When is the best time/month of year to book flights?

Which is the best city?

I am black (it is unfortunate to have to mention) what effect does that have?

I have been considering the TEFL travel and housing option but worry about heavy supervision anyone TOFTT?
[/QUOTE]

When I was in the US a few yrs back (I'm in SEA these days) the best time for airfares was right after the holidays, so about now. Not sure if it's still the case.

In Thailand, there's some backlash against Africans and I think its got to do with the fact there's a heck of a lot of scammers and criminal types in that segment. As long as you dress smart and western style, on the conservative side, you should be ok. I visited some spots in BKK with my black stepdad, and he was plenty popular with the girls, no issues at all.

Whats the TEFL travel/housing option? That isn't that English teaching course, is it? Whats TOFTT? I won't say anything about that til I'm sure I know what you mean.

There's some who much prefer Bangkok (I assume we're talking "for girls" here) and others who swear by Pattaya. On a first visit, if long enough, and if that's mainly what you're after, might as well try both and see what floats your boat.

Here's a site that does a pretty good basic overall view of the scene:
[url]http://www.sukhumvit-psycho.com[/url]

[QUOTE=Mushamisi]When is the best time/month of year to book flights?[/quote]

Book as early as possible. Check out kayak.com.

[quote]Which is the best city?[/quote]

For girls: Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket
For beach: Koh Samui, Koh Phi Phi, Koh Samet
For cultural stuff or hiking: Chiang Mai

[quote]I am black (it is unfortunate to have to mention) what effect does that have?[/quote]

For the most part, the only black people they ever see are a few Nigerian drug dealers who creep around looking really sketchy. Dressing stylishly and acting very gentle and polite will obviously help you out here. Also, you will probably get better treatment if you're with a few white/asian people, as opposed to a group of young black men.

Thai people are very prejudiced against anyone with dark skin, which they associate with being poor, undesirable, etc., which is something you'll have to deal with. Many of them are very obsessed with being as white as possible.

A certain percentage of girls will not want to go with you. But others will have no problem or really want to. Even those that want to may worry about your size hurting them. Many Thai women really do have very small orifices.

[quote]I have been considering the TEFL travel and housing option but worry about heavy supervision anyone TOFTT?[/quote]

Where do they house you? a dorm? a local family?

There are short time rooms for rent in all the major areas if you need them. Not as much fun but it's doable.

[QUOTE=Wendella]When I was in the US a few yrs back (I'm in SEA these days) the best time for airfares was right after the holidays, so about now. Not sure if it's still the case.[/quote]Any time is good if you can afford it.

April and Chinese new year can be crazy/ April is when they go around shooting people with water cannons etc// someone else can tell you more about that.

But still the best is read through all the reports of distinction. The best info is there. Also you will just discover things.

I go to cities and just get off at a stop from the train or what ever? And then I walk around and have a new adventure.

Also Bangkok tonight is a web site that has a lot of information that is good.

Day trip to Ayuthaya

I had the good fortune to hook up with a non-pro DIA lady who guided me on a day trip to Ayuthaya, the ancient Thai capitol 50 km north of BKK with some Ankor Wat like ruins. I'll focus here on the trip more than the sex. I picked up all expenses which were very reasonable. My Thai lady expected and received no compensation. She was very cost conscious in the way we spent my money during the day. She has worked 6 days a week for the last 15 years as a cashier in a department store. She gets 10 days of holiday a year. She lives by herself and pays 1900 bhat in monthly rent. I enjoyed her company immensely although she spoke really limited English. We did end up in sack that evening, but she's never been married, has no children, and was not an experienced lover. She has a lovely petite body, is age 45..but looks 35...almost 20 yrs my junior.

This was a colorful trip because we went by bus and returned by train. Traveling with the locals was great and showed me a slice of life that I wold have otherwise missed. I'd only recommend this style of travel if you're with a local Thai lady who is good at negotiating the local travel system. She had a quirky habit of keeping a little diary of our expenses as we went through the day. The bus from BKK to Ayuthaya was only 50 bhat/person. The train home, which was super colorful, was about 20 or 30 bhat/person. Hiring a tuktuk in Ayuthaya to take us around the many ancient Wats was the biggest expense at 600. Admission to each Wat was about 40 for me and free for Thais.

She explained that she last visited Ayuthaya 10 years ago. This was a great adventure for her and an escape from her daily routine. She understands I'm not in the market for a wife, but wants to see me when I return to BKK in a few weeks. I'll probably see her.

Early last year I was at an English language school in Siam Square with a girl who was taking a placement test. One of the teachers and I started BSing. He was a black American guy and it sounded like he was having the time of his life. Do note that the pay isn't very good so you'll want to bring your own stash for P4P or just assume you'll be hitting on the students, their friends, your neighbors I guess.

[QUOTE=MauiDude][QUOTE=J Dougherty]I almost can't believe I made it happened!

A couple of days back, I posted a request for some leads to getting a guy / gal to be involved in a threesome with me and gf (G). Didn't get any replies (not a popular topic, perhaps?), and was a bit dissapointed seeing as the trip was happening soon, and I was hoping to make something happen.

Intimidating. None of the go-go bars elicit much of a reactionthere. Quality wise, most are in the range of 4-5, late 20's, early 30's onwards. We were fortunate to have Tak performed for us (in a slave role). She's the best looking of the bunch, slim and petite, I'd guess about 26 years old. As part of the show, she came over and started licking up my gf's leg, starting from her ankle all the way to her thighs. It turned me on instantly, seeing another woman running her tongue over G's smooth, pale skin.

I have filipina girlfriend. I take her to Thailand all the time with me.

Yes we love to have three somes and moresomes. They are great.

Mostly we get other girls to join, but I am open minded so I do let her have some threesomes and foursomes with guys.

It s all fun. We live in Philippines and sometimes have girls and guys and couples join in. We have three girls living with us so we have built in group sex when wanted. But one girl is shy and wants more privacy.

My girl really likes to have Thai girl join in. And also sometimes a guy or two.

Ha ha. I get plenty of pussy so I am not worried if she has some extra fun.[/QUOTE]I would love to join in on some of them theesomes and foursomes

I do go Thailand alot

And will prob live there next year

Pm me

[QUOTE=Wendella]Whats the TEFL travel/housing option? That isn't that English teaching course, is it? Whats TOFTT? I won't say anything about that til I'm sure I know what you mean.[/QUOTE]TEFL is Teaching English as a Foreign Language.

TOFTT - Take one for the team

[QUOTE=MauiDude]

I was going to Thailand for three years and thought I was in heaven. I like Bangkok, Pattaya, phuket and chaing mai. I like adventure in travel, the beach and of course number one is pussy.

Now I live in Philippines, Angeles City. Love it here. The girls come here from everywhere.

Also I am close to subic and puerto galera. Love the ocean. I have four girls living with me.

[/QUOTE]


Just found this interesting as I've been to all the places you mentioned.
I would've thought you living in AC would be "heaven" as you also live with 4 girls.
This far out weighs all the places in LOS.

Shark

[QUOTE=Xdentx]My Thai lady expected and received no compensation. She was very cost conscious in the way we spent my money during the day. She has worked 6 days a week for the last 15 years as a cashier in a department store. She gets 10 days of holiday a year. She lives by herself and pays 1900 bhat in monthly rent. I enjoyed her company immensely although she spoke really limited English. We did end up in sack that evening, but she's never been married, has no children, and was not an experienced lover. She has a lovely petite body, is age 45..but looks 35...almost 20 yrs my junior.

She explained that she last visited Ayuthaya 10 years ago. This was a great adventure for her and an escape from her daily routine. She understands I'm not in the market for a wife, but wants to see me when I return to BKK in a few weeks. I'll probably see her.[/QUOTE]


Maybe you should reconsider your no wifey stance. She sounds like a keeper.

[QUOTE=Xdentx]Day trip to Ayuthaya

I had the good fortune to hook up with a non-pro DIA lady who guided me on a day trip to Ayuthaya, the ancient Thai capitol 50 km north of BKK with some Ankor Wat like ruins. I'll focus here on the trip more than the sex. I picked up all expenses which were very reasonable. My Thai lady expected and received no compensation. She was very cost conscious in the way we spent my money during the day. She has worked 6 days a week for the last 15 years as a cashier in a department store. She gets 10 days of holiday a year. She lives by herself and pays 1900 bhat in monthly rent. I enjoyed her company immensely although she spoke really limited English. We did end up in sack that evening, but she's never been married, has no children, and was not an experienced lover. She has a lovely petite body, is age 45..but looks 35...almost 20 yrs my junior.

This was a colorful trip because we went by bus and returned by train. Traveling with the locals was great and showed me a slice of life that I wold have otherwise missed. I'd only recommend this style of travel if you're with a local Thai lady who is good at negotiating the local travel system. She had a quirky habit of keeping a little diary of our expenses as we went through the day. The bus from BKK to Ayuthaya was only 50 bhat/person. The train home, which was super colorful, was about 20 or 30 bhat/person. Hiring a tuktuk in Ayuthaya to take us around the many ancient Wats was the biggest expense at 600. Admission to each Wat was about 40 for me and free for Thais.

She explained that she last visited Ayuthaya 10 years ago. This was a great adventure for her and an escape from her daily routine. She understands I'm not in the market for a wife, but wants to see me when I return to BKK in a few weeks. I'll probably see her.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the real Thailand my friend!

Just wanted to add my two cents worth. I kived in BKK for 5 years and can relate to being non-white in Thailand.

What some of the others have said is quite true, but I need to tell you when they say "most of the Thai girls" they mean abiut 90% of them are racist. And as one said they have this hangup about being white.

But you can still find some girls that are really happy to be with you. Here are some tips:
In Nana or Soi Cowboy don't be too aggressive, wait until someone speaks with you are makes eye contact.

In Grace hotel you can be as forward as you like the only color that matters there is 'green'. And you can find some gems in Grace hotel.

Just don't be too alarmed that these Thai girls will be rushing after every non-white that walks by them. It's a built in reaction.

Be smart and be fair with the ladies and you will be successful.

There is a really awkward issue that is part of this from the Thai/Asian perspective. Everything we said earlier is true, but there is one other aspect, the one that's actually really difficult to talk about because its a sensitive topic. There's one complaint you would hear from them about certain non-whites, and actually about certain whites too, which is basically the degree of 'natural fragrance' the guy exudes. Basically, Thais shower a lot compared to us in other parts of the world. And they tend to be quite sensitive to body odors. Us guys from other countries generallly smell a bit worse to them than Thais, and we also might have strange non-Thai varieties of body odor for whatever reason (diet, chemistry, etc.).

But all the girls will prefer the non-smell of someone who showers often, hopefully not long before going out, and also the pleasant odor of someone wearing some kind of cologne or after shave or something.

As an American, our guy likely doesn't have serious issues in this direction, but I'd still say overall that non-Thais are generally worse in this regard than Thais. And the Africans have probaby the worst reputation for this. Being black, Thai girls may make the connection on this issue on sight -- so if it was me, I'd just make sure to make this one a non-issue. Like me, I always make apoint of having a shower before heading out for the evening to Nana Plaza or something, and also splash on some fragrance too. I do think it makes a difference.

[QUOTE=Wendella]the one that's actually really difficult to talk about because its a sensitive topic. [/QUOTE]

Agree with what you said about showering and smell. But I'll add another hugely sensitive topic. A mate of mine is from India. He's been to Thailand three times and hated it. Said girls were rude and obnoxious etc... One trip he was with a group of 10 or so Indian's and they all went out together. Said no one paid them any eye contact etc... This guy is a professional individual, fit, well mannered, not cheap, etc... And he was offended by the thai girls reactions. Understandable to me he was offended.

I got him to come back when I was in Thailand. We took him out and introduced him to folks we knew (ladies) during day time and took him out at night and after he spent one afternoon and night with us he was welcomed and girls wanting him. Best trip of his life so far.

Sometimes it's just the approach and who you are with that can make a difference also. Taken in reverse, an old man who is with me usually gets more play then I do as the girls will flock to the old man (less work) then me. Sad but maybe true for some folks. If a person is seen with a crowd (one indian, one fat old white guy, one asian looking guy, and one fat young white guy) and we were enjoying our time and such it seemed to be a better accepted by the ladies then just an Indian alone or a group of Indians. Same happened in another country to a friend of mine who is black.

Sensitive subject... but if you're having troubles or run into things try hanging in mixed company maybe.

[QUOTE=Wendella]
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But all the girls will prefer the non-smell of someone who showers often, hopefully not long before going out, and also the pleasant odor of someone wearing some kind of cologne or after shave or something.
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As we are on a colour subject :) I am caucasian, and had once a thai girl for a few nights. As you point out she was very accurate about showering. As I did shower just before going out, I was showering quickly when we came back to the room. Was more 'show' shower, honestly. When we were in bed she started to kind of check whether I was smelling or not, abit suspicious I did not shower enough!
Have to say that many years ago had a working mate sharing the same office room. He was from Central Africa. Well, his smell was kind of unbreabale. Was not my opinion only. But not that he did not shower, simply the chemistry of his skin was producing a smell that we are not used to. Could be the food, could be the skin itself. But was hard to stand. Just as we react to local foods in a way as we are not used to, also skin smell changes from people to people.

I saw an old movie newsreel from the 30s that showed some soap company (Camay? cant remember) going around in France demonstrating for school kids how to take a bath and wash their hair. For the soap company it was great marketing because they were basically creating new widespread habits that would result in their getting rich on sales of soap and shampoo. The point made by this was that it wasn't generally popular to take baths yet by that time, at least not as often as we normally do these days. The kind of showering standards we have these days are probably a fairly recent development, like from WW2 onward. (I wonder if any old timers here might be able to weigh in on this) And actually it probably spread geographically, getting passed on from one area to another over decades.

If I was going to bet, I'd say the degree of odor comes down more to culture (hygiene habits of the US / Europe vs those of Africa) than chemistry (which would come down to DNA). I mean, if you just think about it, odor is really small particles in the air that you sense as smell. Those particles must come from something. If you sweat, that sweat gets all over your skin and stays there, or else in your clothes. It's particles of that dried sweat that we smell. If you shower and put on a fresh shirt, you remove that dried sweat, thus far fewer stinky particles in the air around you. Regardless of the particular chemistry those particles are made of, in general the overall effect will be less stinky if youre cleaner and more stinky if you don't shower -- fewer particiles = less stink. Even if you did have some especially potent chemical/stink, you'd still surely reduce its effect as much as possible by showering often.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]As we are on a colour subject :) I am caucasian, and had once a thai girl for a few nights. As you point out she was very accurate about showering. As I did shower just before going out, I was showering quickly when we came back to the room. Was more 'show' shower, honestly. When we were in bed she started to kind of check whether I was smelling or not, abit suspicious I did not shower enough!
Have to say that many years ago had a working mate sharing the same office room. He was from Central Africa. Well, his smell was kind of unbreabale. Was not my opinion only. But not that he did not shower, simply the chemistry of his skin was producing a smell that we are not used to. Could be the food, could be the skin itself. But was hard to stand. Just as we react to local foods in a way as we are not used to, also skin smell changes from people to people.[/QUOTE]Thank you to everyone who has responsed to my earlier post and I greatly admire how the senior members steered the conversation back to mongering after it unfortunately went in a racial discussion. That was not my intent but unfortunately I have had girls cancel appointments on me and directly mention race. I even know of other monger who were told over thThat said the focus is mongers phone they could not book an appointment because they sounded too foreign/arab (but thats here in states)that said the focus of the forum is for info and everyone has provided me a lot of clarity.
One that sticks out is to travel with other mongers. It usually makes for a better time than travelling solo.

Again thank you for the response and I apologise for the distraction.

[QUOTE=Wendella]I saw an old movie newsreel from the 30s that showed some soap company (Camay? cant remember) going around in France demonstrating for school kids how to take a bath and wash their hair. For the soap company it was great marketing because they were basically creating new widespread habits that would result in their getting rich on sales of soap and shampoo. The point made by this was that it wasn't generally popular to take baths yet by that time, at least not as often as we normally do these days. The kind of showering standards we have these days are probably a fairly recent development, like from WW2 onward. (I wonder if any old timers here might be able to weigh in on this) And actually it probably spread geographically, getting passed on from one area to another over decades.

If I was going to bet, I'd say the degree of odor comes down more to culture (hygiene habits of the US / Europe vs those of Africa) than chemistry (which would come down to DNA). I mean, if you just think about it, odor is really small particles in the air that you sense as smell. Those particles must come from something. If you sweat, that sweat gets all over your skin and stays there, or else in your clothes. It's particles of that dried sweat that we smell. If you shower and put on a fresh shirt, you remove that dried sweat, thus far fewer stinky particles in the air around you. Regardless of the particular chemistry those particles are made of, in general the overall effect will be less stinky if youre cleaner and more stinky if you don't shower -- fewer particiles = less stink. Even if you did have some especially potent chemical/stink, you'd still surely reduce its effect as much as possible by showering often.[/QUOTE]
Don't take this a mere 'racist' comment, but it is a fact that different races have different 'body' structures. Not for nothing there are white, dark, black, some have round eyes, some not. Curly hair are more typical (not100%) afro and so on and so on. Not a wonder the odour of one is different from the odour of another one. It has also something to do with the food (ingredients) regularly consumed by the 'race' or ethnical and geographical population.
Just a mere fact, nothing to do with being different with a bad meaning.
Do not think a shower will remove the stinky effect if you suffer of that 'emotional' (and strongly odourly) sweating that sometime hits (regularly or non regularly) a lot of people. Happens to me sometime to feel myself I stink, just 2 minutes after the shower I took to ... remove the odour. And I am not (at least I do not think!) one of those people suffering of stinking sweat.
Bodies are not the same...

[QUOTE=Bionicman]Happens to me sometime to feel myself I stink, just 2 minutes after the shower I took to ... remove the odour.[/QUOTE]

Also, many folks are not used to a hot humid environment, their bodies will naturally react differently in Thailand due to the different environmental conditions.

I am white and the first time I was with a black girl I noticed this strange musky odor, strongest in the crotch, which I assumed was just her. Honestly it made me a bit nauseous. Then I was with a couple more black girls and there was the same odor. One girl in particular I slept with after playing tennis in the summer heat for 2 hours and not showering. When I took off her pants I really almost vomited.

Now I'm sort of scared off from black girls simply because of the odor. I did some googling and apparently it has something to do with their hair follicles and sweat glands and that sort of thing, which is a different issue than some Indian people who might smell due to their diet.

So if it was tough for me to deal with as a white person, I think for Thai girls it would be twice as bad. It's probably best for black guys (and also for white guys) to be extra hygienic when dealing with thai girls.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]And I am not (at least I do not think!) one of those people suffering of stinking sweat.
Bodies are not the same...[/QUOTE]
Maybe it has something to do with you being bionic.
Seriously, I realize some people got the stank naturally more than others, but if you stink that bad after a few minutes after showering, think how bad it'd be if you didn't shower.

[QUOTE=Evianist]I am white and the first time I was with a black girl I noticed this strange musky odor, strongest in the crotch, which I assumed was just her. Honestly it made me a bit nauseous. Then I was with a couple more black girls and there was the same odor. One girl in particular I slept with after playing tennis in the summer heat for 2 hours and not showering. When I took off her pants I really almost vomited.

Now I'm sort of scared off from black girls simply because of the odor. I did some googling and apparently it has something to do with their hair follicles and sweat glands and that sort of thing, which is a different issue than some Indian people who might smell due to their diet.

So if it was tough for me to deal with as a white person, I think for Thai girls it would be twice as bad. It's probably best for black guys (and also for white guys) to be extra hygienic when dealing with thai girls.[/QUOTE]
Its known scientifically that the acrid stench (or fragrant smell - to some people ;)) in human armpits and genital areas, arseholes, and a few other minor locations is due Aprocrine sweat glands.

The level of smell is likely to be influenced by the person's frequency and skill in cleaning, diet, health, stress level, medication and especially genetics (which is unfortunately racially influenced).

In technical terms, it depends on just how densely populated are these apocrine glands and how big they are including the size of the opening, and how much stuff they secrete, and bacteria levels. The smell is actually caused by bacteria that can enter the apocrine glands. Washing on the outside cannot get rid of bacteria that have entered the gland.

Yellow armpit stains are caused by aprocrine sweat glands.

For many people having a good shower with lots of soap or cleansing lotion can do the trick (if the secreting has largely stopped), but for others this is not enough, as the glands keep secreting smelling stuff at a great rate. Medical assistence may be possible to reduce the bacteria levels.

East Asians like Chinese and Thais are known to have very few aprocrine sweat glands (perhaps none in some persons) and have heaps of another variety (that everyone has), which don't smell. That's why they don't smell and are not used to body odours. Some cultures are used to the body odours, as its very prevalent, and don't really notice it. The Asians are very sensitive to it.

One day I got into a Hotel lift with several very sweaty Thai workman. No B.O. whatsoever. Then a guest of the Hotel got into the lift and we all almost feinted. :eek:
Sorry, I was trying to keep this technical.

That's the way it is. Us Farangs have a problem that Thais don't have until we go near them.

I wonder if the Soapy MP surcharges for Farangs are because some of us stink? Might be one factor.

Watch out guys. Maybe no BBBJ if your dick has overly active apocrine sweat glands (or if you just don't clean it enough).

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]Its known scientifically that the acrid stench (or fragrant smell - to some people ;)) in human armpits and genital areas, arseholes, and a few other minor locations is due Aprocrine sweat glands.

The level of smell is likely to be influenced by the person's frequency and skill in cleaning, diet, health, stress level, medication and especially genetics (which is unfortunately racially influenced).

In technical terms, it depends on just how densely populated are these apocrine glands and how big they are including the size of the opening, and how much stuff they secrete, and bacteria levels. The smell is actually caused by bacteria that can enter the apocrine glands. Washing on the outside cannot get rid of bacteria that have entered the gland.

Yellow armpit stains are caused by aprocrine sweat glands.

For many people having a good shower with lots of soap or cleansing lotion can do the trick (if the secreting has largely stopped), but for others this is not enough, as the glands keep secreting smelling stuff at a great rate. Medical assistence may be possible to reduce the bacteria levels.

East Asians like Chinese and Thais are known to have very few aprocrine sweat glands (perhaps none in some persons) and have heaps of another variety (that everyone has), which don't smell. That's why they don't smell and are not used to body odours. Some cultures are used to the body odours, as its very prevalent, and don't really notice it. The Asians are very sensitive to it.

One day I got into a Hotel lift with several very sweaty Thai workman. No B.O. whatsoever. Then a guest of the Hotel got into the lift and we all almost feinted. :eek:
Sorry, I was trying to keep this technical.

That's the way it is. Us Farangs have a problem that Thais don't have until we go near them.

I wonder if the Soapy MP surcharges for Farangs are because some of us stink? Might be one factor.

Watch out guys. Maybe no BBBJ if your dick has overly active apocrine sweat glands (or if you just don't clean it enough).[/QUOTE]
Mick Licker/MP Lurker/Whatever You're Calling Yourself These Days, the major factor is diet. Take the time to ask your Asian contacts in Oz about how foodstuffs such as dairy, etc and other lifestyle changes have affected their levels of body odour/static charge/so-on and so-forth.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Westerners buttering up to Thai prejudices are pathetic and nauseating. And not only that, they are usually more disliked by the bigoted locals they are trying to impress than the people they are trying to ridicule :D.

Thanks for the detail MP Lurker. I didn't know all that.


One trick to prevent odor is to keep your public hair trimmed as short as possible. This is true for women also.

In the shower, scrubbing the crotch firmly with a washcloth works much better than simply running a bar of soap over it.

I've had issues with over sweating/smelling and even tho I will take long showers and scrub and scrub in the sensitive areas. 5 minutes after a shower I know I stink. Ha.

In my home country its not too bad but SEA can be embarassing for me.

Thankfully I've come across a product called Maxim which has helped me immensely.

It may or may not help you but for me it seems to block the sweat glands where I apply it and stops me smelling.

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Mick Licker/MP Lurker/Whatever You're Calling Yourself These Days, the major factor is diet. Take the time to ask your Asian contacts in Oz about how foodstuffs such as dairy, etc and other lifestyle changes have affected their levels of body odour/static charge/so-on and so-forth.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Westerners buttering up to Thai prejudices are pathetic and nauseating. And not only that, they are usually more disliked by the bigoted locals they are trying to impress than the people they are trying to ridicule :D.[/QUOTE]

Um, which 'buttering up' behavior exactly is it that nauseates you?

I'm not sure MPL's Asian contacts in Oz are what we should consider to be the highest authority on this. Yeah ok, the diet is different. But if some people who have no idea about human physiology have decided that diet alone is the main connection to body odor doesnt' make it so.

Related question:

Does anyone know how/where I can buy anti-bacterial soap, as opposed to regular soap?

With the writing on the boxes being mostly Thai I can't tell.



Also, does anyone know where you can buy Durex Performax condoms?
[url]http://graphics.condom.com/Images/400JPG/CDD-PFML-12R_400.jpg[/url]

These things are amazing, and sex for me won't be anywhere near as good when I run out of them.

Is there a big condom store anywhere?

What's a good place in BKK for a wide variety of fetish clothing (fuck me boots, nurses outfits, etc...) and other fun things (leather cuffs, chokers, etc...)? Quality more important than price.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Maybe it has something to do with you being bionic.
Seriously, I realize some people got the stank naturally more than others, but if you stink that bad after a few minutes after showering, think how bad it'd be if you didn't shower.[/QUOTE]
LOL, that is very occasional indeed (thanksgod!), it is not 'that' bad, but it is still surprising that this comes jsut after a shower. But as MP Lurker put it afterwards, cleaning helps a lot, of course, but the odour is really generated whilst we might just think it is in the surfece of the skin due to sweating (excercise, heat or.... guess what?). My point was that experience proves the odour is not necessarily just wiped away by a shower.
Anyhow... enough said...this subject starts to stink :)

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Mick Licker/MP Lurker/Whatever You're Calling Yourself These Days, the major factor is diet. Take the time to ask your Asian contacts in Oz about how foodstuffs such as dairy, etc and other lifestyle changes have affected their levels of body odour/static charge/so-on and so-forth.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Westerners buttering up to Thai prejudices are pathetic and nauseating. And not only that, they are usually more disliked by the bigoted locals they are trying to impress than the people they are trying to ridicule :D.[/QUOTE]Tt,

You are funny and the 2nd paragraph is not even worth commenting on.

Sure Asians may experience a change in body odour when they change their diet. But they are very sensitive to these things. Some westerners wouldn't notice any change whatsoever. Diet has an effect, sure, but its not the "major" factor. My friend can reek of onions on occasions but that was mainly a mouth odour. Another mate reeked of garlic after eating Indian food. Maybe I would have less B. O., after heavy activity if I didn't eat dairy.

But the producer of the odour is those glands and the number, size of them and amount of secretion is far more influencing than the diet. East Asians hardly have them! This biological info can easily be found on the internet.

[QUOTE=Unirii]What's a good place in BKK for a wide variety of fetish clothing (fuck me boots, nurses outfits, etc...) and other fun things (leather cuffs, chokers, etc...)? Quality more important than price.[/QUOTE]What i know is that these things are prohibited in Thailand.

You even can have problems when you got them in your bag and they check your at the airport.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]LOL, that is very occasional indeed (thanksgod!), it is not 'that' bad, but it is still surprising that this comes jsut after a shower. But as MP Lurker put it afterwards, cleaning helps a lot, of course, but the odour is really generated whilst we might just think it is in the surfece of the skin due to sweating (excercise, heat or.... guess what?). My point was that experience proves the odour is not necessarily just wiped away by a shower.
Anyhow... enough said...this subject starts to stink :)[/QUOTE]

It must be your bionic glands ;)

[QUOTE=Evianist]Related question:

Does anyone know how/where I can buy anti-bacterial soap, as opposed to regular soap?

With the writing on the boxes being mostly Thai I can't tell.

Also, does anyone know where you can buy Durex Performax condoms?
[url]http://graphics.condom.com/Images/400JPG/CDD-PFML-12R_400.jpg[/url]

These things are amazing, and sex for me won't be anywhere near as good when I run out of them.

Is there a big condom store anywhere?[/QUOTE]Both big see and tesco lotus sell Protec and Dettol soap with the writing in English as well as Thai.

Also most 7-11 and family marts in farang areas sell the same.

[quote=m p lurker]its known scientifically that the acrid stench (or fragrant smell - to some people ;)) in human armpits and genital areas, arseholes, and a few other minor locations is due aprocrine sweat glands.

the level of smell is likely to be influenced by the person's frequency and skill in cleaning, diet, health, stress level, medication and especially genetics (which is unfortunately racially influenced).

in technical terms, it depends on just how densely populated are these apocrine glands and how big they are including the size of the opening, and how much stuff they secrete, and bacteria levels. the smell is actually caused by bacteria that can enter the apocrine glands. washing on the outside cannot get rid of bacteria that have entered the gland.

yellow armpit stains are caused by aprocrine sweat glands.

for many people having a good shower with lots of soap or cleansing lotion can do the trick (if the secreting has largely stopped), but for others this is not enough, as the glands keep secreting smelling stuff at a great rate. medical assistence may be possible to reduce the bacteria levels.

east asians like chinese and thais are known to have very few aprocrine sweat glands (perhaps none in some persons) and have heaps of another variety (that everyone has), which don't smell. that's why they don't smell and are not used to body odours. some cultures are used to the body odours, as its very prevalent, and don't really notice it. the asians are very sensitive to it.

one day i got into a hotel lift with several very sweaty thai workman. no b.o. whatsoever. then a guest of the hotel got into the lift and we all almost feinted. :eek:
sorry, i was trying to keep this technical.

that's the way it is. us farangs have a problem that thais don't have until we go near them.

i wonder if the soapy mp surcharges for farangs are because some of us stink? might be one factor.

watch out guys. maybe no bbbj if your dick has overly active apocrine sweat glands (or if you just don't clean it enough).[/quote]

i am not sure i agree with you about bo and east asians. ever got on the back of one of those motorbike taxis in bkk, vietnam cambodia etc when the driver has not showered for some time? it may well be that males generally stink more than females - certainly [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] from men stinks far more than [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] from women (which is why male toilets do smell). but to think that east asian or south east asian women do not smell if they have not washed is nonsense. esp the feet in some cases!

[QUOTE=Syzygies]Tt,

You are funny and the 2nd paragraph is not even worth commenting on.

Sure Asians may experience a change in body odour when they change their diet. But they are very sensitive to these things. Some westerners wouldn't notice any change whatsoever. Diet has an effect, sure, but its not the "major" factor. My friend can reek of onions on occasions but that was mainly a mouth odour. Another mate reeked of garlic after eating Indian food. Maybe I would have less B. O., after heavy activity if I didn't eat dairy.

But the producer of the odour is those glands and the number, size of them and amount of secretion is far more influencing than the diet. East Asians hardly have them! This biological info can easily be found on the internet.[/QUOTE]
And your second paragraph wouldn't even be worth commenting on except for the fact that it contains so much silliness. It doesn't matter whether Asians are sensitive to the fact that their changes in diet affect their changes in body odour or not. And, like I stated, it's not only body odours that are affected by diet change: Talk to any expat Thai about their susceptibility to static shocks IN THAILAND when they return, and their problems with body odour and sweating both in farangland and Thailand after their changes in diet.

Maybe you are one of those pathetic, nauseating farang like Mick Licker/MP Lurker/ Whatever He Calls Himself These Days who likes to big himself up by doing down other farang to local Thais in his hopeless attempts to ingratiate himself to said Thais.

Old Thai Hand (who knows far more about Thailand than Mick Whatever Name ever will) wised up to this silly obsequiousness long ago, after initially falling foul to it. BTW, Mick, you avoided the accusations levelled at you wrt the OTH banning. Were you one of the two "very senior posters" who complained about OTH?

[QUOTE=Evianist]One trick to prevent odor is to keep your public hair trimmed as short as possible.[/QUOTE]Loved the typo :-). But yes, I agree. Not that you want to know this, but before I go to Thailand I always ensure my body hair (and I'm by no means hairy) is trimmed to a minimum all over. I don't shave or wax as it wouldn't look natural. Along with regular showers that keeps me odour-free. And perhaps the girls might prefer a less hairy guy?

[QUOTE=Jeff Sinclair]Both big see and tesco lotus sell Protec and Dettol soap with the writing in English as well as Thai.

Also most 7-11 and family marts in farang areas sell the same.[/QUOTE]

Story on Slate.com this week about how anti-bacterial soaps consistently fail any tests to see how effective they are in preventing illness. I guess they haven't done too many tests yet to see whether they're effective in preventing B.O. ;)

But the gist was that in terms of reducing sickness (H1N1 virus, flus, colds, etc.) they're a myth.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Story on Slate.com this week about how anti-bacterial soaps consistently fail any tests to see how effective they are in preventing illness. I guess they haven't done too many tests yet to see whether they're effective in preventing B.O. ;)

But the gist was that in terms of reducing sickness (H1N1 virus, flus, colds, etc.) they're a myth.[/QUOTE]


I haven't read the article, but viruses and bacteria are two completely different things. Anti-bacterial soap wouldn't have any impact on illnesses caused by viruses.

Does anyone have experience (success) in the coyote clubs? I do not mean bars on Soi Cowboy that use coyote style, but rather the big places in Bangkok that have the big lineups of model-quality girls, as can be seen on youtube.

Are there a few of these that can be recommended?

How do you play it? Is it really difficult to pick up there?

What are prices like if you do succeed?

I'm guessing it's not that easy, otherwise there'd be a lot more talk about them here.

There's one of these places featured in that Nicholas Cage movie Bangkok Dangerous, the Caribbean club (which apparently really exists).

Some vids:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slvTPfX7dlQ[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHWl-6CFUhs[/url]

(apologies for the crap camera work on these -- can find better by searching youtube, these were just some of the first links that came up -- just to give an idea)

[QUOTE=Evianist]I haven't read the article, but viruses and bacteria are two completely different things. Anti-bacterial soap wouldn't have any impact on illnesses caused by viruses.[/QUOTE]

Of course. But there are some viruses that are spread by touch (hands to mouth/nose) and for those, washing does supposedly help, and probably the anti-bacteria component is a non-factor -- rather its the act of washing that does it. For air-borne viruses (liquid particles carried by air, breathed or swallowed in) it's obviously completely inefective.

I too am a big fan of Nicholas Cage's movie Bangkok Dangerous, the Caribbean Club is very real as it did exist until last year when it closed. Clubs like this exist primarily for weathy Thais or long term expatriates. Usually involve steep membership dues. See link below:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=922621&postcount=7123[/url]

Thai's do like stage shows at all levels from the Tawan Dang german/thai restaurant on Rama III or the Hollywood disco on Ratcha. Much cheaper, but not pickup places. G-Clubs are a whole nother level for big buck business thai's and Japanese. Mostly for impressing business clients and gaining business influence. Bring lots of Baht or keep to Soi Cowboy or NEP.

[QUOTE=Westsider]...Thai's do like stage shows at all levels from the Tawan Dang german/thai restaurant on Rama III or the Hollywood disco on Ratcha. Much cheaper, but not pickup places....[/QUOTE]I threw a birthday party for my GF a few nights ago at the Rama III Tawangang --
about 10 bargirls, one ladyboy, two old guys, good food, a couple of beer towers, and 3 litres of Johnny Red. It was a great time.

Sitting next to us were a couple of big tables full of [i]farang[/i] guys (no ladies). You should have seen the drool on their chins. At the end of the night just as we were walking out, one of my BG guests pulled a guy from another table. She stopped us at the taxi looking for one more girl to join her impromptu [i]party![/i]

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]...
Maybe you are one of those pathetic, nauseating farang like Mick Licker/MP Lurker/ Whatever He Calls Himself These Days who likes to big himself up by doing down other farang to local Thais in his hopeless attempts to ingratiate himself to said Thais.

Old Thai Hand (who knows far more about Thailand than Mick Whatever Name ever will) wised up to this silly obsequiousness long ago, after initially falling foul to it. BTW, Mick, you avoided the accusations levelled at you wrt the OTH banning. Were you one of the two "very senior posters" who complained about OTH?[/QUOTE]Terry, Terry,

It was a long cold winter down there in England, lots of snow, right? And now Xynthia ... I feel with you. Really :) !

Btw., the girls are right now showing up for work, I love this mini shirts and hot pants they wear before they dress up. It's a bit warm here in Bangkok, 33/34 deg. Celsius, sunshine, blue sky today. Hot, I am sweating, sorry for my BO :) ...

Just chatting with OTH on MSN. He still remembers you!

Life is hard, I tell you!


Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]

PS: MP Lurker, I always knew it :) !

[QUOTE=Jeff Sinclair]Both big see and tesco lotus sell Protec and Dettol soap with the writing in English as well as Thai.

Also most 7-11 and family marts in farang areas sell the same.[/QUOTE]


Went to 7-11 today and saw both brands but the writing is not in English except for the ingredients. I didn't see anything about it being anti-bacterial soap.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Went to 7-11 today and saw both brands but the writing is not in English except for the ingredients. I didn't see anything about it being anti-bacterial soap.[/QUOTE]I am just back and can confirm that dettol is anti bacterial.

Protec is a cheaper version.

Thai gf reads and writes english and she buys this soap for me as she knows I use anti bacterial soap as the insect bites tend to get to me.

Tesco (large ones) also sell liquid anti bacterial handwash and soap.

[blue]Greetings Everyone,

Old Thai Hand posted that he has no interest in participating in the forum.

Pursuant to Forum Policy, I have deleted this resignation post and retired his membership.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

Yes, welcome prodigal, but let me say that the meeting of 'real' Thai woman does not act as a profilactic against an interest in minutae. I hob-nob with those ladies every day and do still find B.O. one of life's fascinations.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Geez! I'm gone 9 months and the forum is reduced to in-depth, intellectual discussions about....BODY ODOR...WTF???

GAWD!!! You guys really do need me to come back to enlighten you about all things Thai, about REAL Thai women, and how to meet them, and in general, to lead you out of the darkness.

But....I've got better things to do...Happy smelling!!!!!!!!!

OTH[/QUOTE]Hi OTH,

I joined the forum after you went on your sabbatical. Enjoyed reading your posts! Welcome and stay on.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Yes, welcome prodigal, but let me say that the meeting of 'real' Thai woman does not act as a profilactic against an interest in minutae. I hob-nob with those ladies every day and do still find B.O. one of life's fascinations.[/QUOTE]Missing NicFrenchy!

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Geez! I'm gone 9 months and the forum is reduced to in-depth, intellectual discussions about....BODY ODOR...WTF???

GAWD!!! You guys really do need me to come back to enlighten you about all things Thai, about REAL Thai women, and how to meet them, and in general, to lead you out of the darkness.

But....I've got better things to do...Happy smelling!!!!!!!!!

OTH[/QUOTE]

I know.... a stinky subject!

[QUOTE=Giotto]Terry, Terry,

It was a long cold winter down there in England, lots of snow, right? And now Xynthia ... I feel with you. Really :) !

Btw., the girls are right now showing up for work, I love this mini shirts and hot pants they wear before they dress up. It's a bit warm here in Bangkok, 33/34 deg. Celsius, sunshine, blue sky today. Hot, I am sweating, sorry for my BO :) ...

Just chatting with OTH on MSN. He still remembers you!

Life is hard, I tell you!


Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]

PS: MP Lurker, I always knew it :) ![/QUOTE]

G, It snowed a lot in the UK this Winter. Ever talked with Thais about snow? I'm so jealous of that lovely Bangkok climate that starts to develop about now. Still, I can always visit my local sauna as compensation. WTF is Xynthia?

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Geez! I'm gone 9 months and the forum is reduced to in-depth, intellectual discussions about....BODY ODOR...WTF???

GAWD!!! You guys really do need me to come back to enlighten you about all things Thai, about REAL Thai women, and how to meet them, and in general, to lead you out of the darkness.

But....I've got better things to do...Happy smelling!!!!!!!!!

OTH[/QUOTE]

Not quite the grand re-entrance, but never mind. Welcome back, you BOF.

[QUOTE=Catire]I realize individual mileage varies with everything, even pricing. Nonetheless I'd like to get a basic idea of the general "going rate" with the after hour club freelancers.. both Thai and non Thai. I know there are some Russians and Uzbeks, former FSU girls around as well and I suspect their prices will be higher but I'd like to know what to generally expect.

thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

I can answer my own question now.

For long time, which is usually my preference, 2000 baht is considered the "going price" , a "good" going price among Thais, and that's either among freelancers along Sukhumvit or girls found in the after hours clubs.

The Russians basically try to charge double plus. Every girl in CM2, Thai or foreign will try to charge double plus. It must be those expensive dresses they're wearing and the crazy 650 baht entrance fee they have to pay (as do you) just to get in. (you get one free drink with that, and then it's basically 10 dollars a drink.

Had some great success in the after hours clubs. My kind of scene. Stepped into a gogo once and left annoyed shortly thereafter. Lots of scary dogs on Sukhumvit but every now and again you'll find an absolute gem.

Saw some incredibly attractive Thai girls partying it up at the Soi 11 clubs like Klimaxx on the weekends. RCA also good, but you're wasting your time there if you're over 35, perhaps even 30. (depending on how you look)

[QUOTE=Catire]I can answer my own question now.[/QUOTE]

I do realize you are talking about FL. If you consider go-go girls, then those normally go out for 3000 plus let's say 700 bar fine*. Total, that's $113 US** for a LT. (and also keep in mind that the girls who are hot and know it will even ask for 4000 or more to go LT -- if so, add $30 for every 1000 baht)

I wish people would quote prices this way (total price) to give us a better idea what things really cost. Especially when talking about gogos, it's very misleading to just mentoin the ST or LT price, since the barfine can be over 1/3 of the total that you really pay. So the cheapest ST you can hope to find at a gogo now is 1500 ST plus 500 BF, so actually 2000 baht***, or $61 US****.

And yeah, I realize you are talking about FL. Just thought i'd mention this as a reality check for those (and I'm one) who find it easy to fuzz out what thinsg actually do cost.

Anyway, for a LT, you can see quickly there that a lowish end FL girl really costs about half what a gogo girl does. OK you can get cheaper even at Starbucks around 3am... if that's your thing, go for it.

[size=-2]* yes I realize there's bars with 500 baht BF and girls who'll go for less than 3000 LT... but they're the lower end of the spectrum -- 3000 + 700 seems like a fair 'typical'. If you disagree, I'll listen.

** source: [url=http://www.bangkokbank.com/Bangkok%20Bank/Personal%20Banking/Foreign%20Exchange/FX%20Rates/Pages/Default.aspx]Bank of Bangkok[/url]

*** good look finding her...and if you do, better to do ST cuz you may get some surprise when you wake up in the morning

**** thought I'd mention that I did a previous version of this post including the Euro and Pound prices, but my browser ate it. Feel free to reply with those -- I'm American so USD works for me. [/size]

[QUOTE=Wendella]So the cheapest ST you can hope to find at a gogo now is 1500 ST plus 500 BF, so actually 2000 baht***, or $61 US****.

[/QUOTE]
I've found that if I'm able to negotiate down do 1500 (I have about 75% success,but feels like pulling teeth sometimes), they will usually only want to go to a short time room close by, which adds another 300 baht to the total. 2300-2400 baht ST

Generally resident in Malaysia but tired of posting there due to some noxious knobheads and racist fools.

Meanwhile, had me a BKK trip in past few days, that as always left me destroyed. Why do we men over 50 think we can behave like we are teenagers LOL. But we do. And will do it all over again.

2 years ago met a nurse on DIA. We met several times over past few years for days/nights of happy bonking. Anyway, we agreed to meet on this most recent trip and for me it represented a good way of starting my BKK trip.

Arrived Sunday and got new sim card (why do thai sim cards expire after only 2 months?), got to hotel and went to 7-11 for some beers for the room. Error! No alcohol as it Buddha holiday.

Hmm Went to pharmacy near JW Marriott for kamagra etc and the guy sold me some whisky and beer.

Met the nurse, and within a few minutes in the room we are getting hotter and more naked. My friend has become a bit of an exhibitionist so lots of leaning naked against windows etc. She wanted sex on flooor, on table, against the door, in bath etcetc. Endless.

Went out for dinner, back to room, got her all kitted out in a body stocking for some late night photos. Maybe it was the whisky but she also tells me she wants to try 3somes, and in the middle of one about of sex starts telling she wants to be my second wife. Oh and could she have a 3 some with my wife too. I said Id think on that. LOL.

Sent her off the next morning, and aside from the cost of food and drinks and body stocking and a cheap dress and even cheaper and wonderfully tacky bikini was free.

Did work, then back to hotel by 2 to meet next freebie. Also a DIA lady. 32. Businesswoman type. Weve been chatting for 3 months but never met. Had sex on cam so I knew the body before seeing it. Up to room and within 5 minutes were making out with my hand up her skirt. Just like teenagers LOL.

We take a break and she goes and gets her bag.

In a presentation box is a beatifully hand painted cup and saucer. Her gift to me. How sweet. We resume and bonk till 5pm when she returns to her town some 65 kms away.

That leaves me free which is good. Few beers in Biergarten and talk to Joy there. Go Cowboy, which was fine. Nice dancers upstairs in Dollhouse.

From there to a massage place where Miaow is ready for me. Been seeing her for 5 years. Gives me a nice massage, hand and blow, I even give her a little licking. Then refreshed, off to Nana.

Had a few beers in Exotique and met a girl whos name I forget. Cute, 23, only been in bar 2 months, goes to learn English every day in a college. Anyways I pay her bf and off we go for food and beers. We get to room and also start making out for a while.

She then gets a call from a friend who says she has put a car key in my girls bag. Friend asks her to go to Nana to give her the key. My girl clearly confused and I tell her to tell her friend to come to hotel to collect it. My girl still confused and says she should go.

Hmm I say what about the BF I paid. My poor girl goes to her wallet and pays me the Bht 600. I give her 100 for taxi fare and she leaves. Don't realy know what all that was about but it didn't matter, as I was sleepy and not really horny anyway.

Next day, go to work and am at hotel at 3pm to meet the next freebie. A lady of 36 but with very sweet face. Weve exchanged emails and photoos over past few months, and more recently she had sent some very hot pics so I knew theres a nice slim body hiding there.

She arrives and taller than expected and very cute. Lives in Rayong. Up to the room, where she gives me a cute Thai /English book and a cross stitched picture. She takes shower, I give her some cheap tacky lingerie to wear and we start. Girl is very hungry and says shes had no sex for a year.

Well shes also happy to show the adjoining office tower her goodies also.

We rest then head for Suan Lum. She wears a summer dress but I suggest she removes panties. She insists to pay taxi and then buys me a really nice clock in the night market. So there we are sitting in Suan Lum eating som tam and my hand is up her dress. Girl is one of those rare girls than can have orgasm after orgasm. And she says being fingered in Suan Lum she came 5 times.

We head for Cowboy and she is fascinated by the bars there and even more fascinated by the girls dancing upstairs in Dollhouse.

We go to Long Gun for the show. We have a quiet corner and I guess as result of a few beers, its not long before my hand up her dress again, sucking her boobs and even licking pussy, oh so discreetly. Naked girls on stage 3 metres away so I didn't see why not LOL.

From there we cal Miaow to ask if she wants to join us for 3 some (yes we'd discussed this in emails before her trip) but the sweet Miaow was home, dueto sick child. Darn.

Back to room and lots more items for her to dress up in. Somewhere in the middle of sex she starts caling me her husband. Eventually at 3 am we are out of energy. We sleep. And at 6:30 I'm woken up by Ms Rayong sucking me.

Lifes good I thought but so tiring. Pack up by 9am and head for home.

3 days, 3 girls. Two of whom want 3 somes which I have to arrange for the next trip.! The gifts. This was new for me, and not experienced before. Meanwhile will take me a day or two to recover before the next adventure.

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[QUOTE=Catire]Saw some incredibly attractive Thai girls partying it up at the Soi 11 clubs like Klimaxx on the weekends. RCA also good, but you're wasting your time there if you're over 35, perhaps even 30. (depending on how you look)[/QUOTE]I am quite older than 35 and have been approached many times at the after hours club you mentioned. Girls are looking to make money and age plays very small part in their strategy.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]

Arrived Sunday and got new sim card (why do thai sim cards expire after only 2 months?)

[/QUOTE]

Easy answer ---------- the phone companies realise that most tourists do not return within two months so they want you to lose any credit on the Sim card and force you to buy a new one, yet another Thai scam.

the girl i like (dao) was absent from star of light so i decided to try mike's bar, the close by alternative "bj bar" venue, just down the road next to the foodland supermarket, which doesn't get reviewed much here. well, the place was totally empty from customers, it's the usual dark bar with pool table etc and some small rooms with a tiny bed on the side; there was at least one very cute and young girl there, but she got taken by a guy who just walked in while i was ordering my beer and being "massaged" rather annoyingly by the other girls. have to be quicker next time!

there were about 6-7 girls, two cuties. so i took the remaining less cute girl (a 7 with ok tits) and she took me to the room, cleaned me with a freezing napkin (not very pleasant!) did a fair but not great bbbj (i'd say 6 /10 with the benchmark being sol (and my current thai geek girl!), [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] being a 7.8), following my directions with little enthusiasm (very little ball licking, no rimming, too much hand), and suggesting boom boom several times for an extra 800baht. can't remember the price for bj, but i think the same as sol, so 700.

i took a while to finish as she wasn't great, and the climax was. a let down as she took very little in her mouth.

i left rather quickly, and she seemed disappointed. won't go again, except to check out if the cuter girl is still there. the fact that they have little rooms is a good point i suppose.

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For those with Happy/Dtac Sim cards, you can extend your sim's validity by 6 months by calling *1013
You can do this twice which gives you one year
Then every time you top up, you get more validity added to the end of that

What is DIA. Is it registration free?

[QUOTE=Evianist]For those with Happy/Dtac Sim cards, you can extend your sim's validity by 6 months by calling *1013

You can do this twice which gives you one year

Then every time you top up, you get more validity added to the end of that[/QUOTE]Good to know, thanks. Is there a charge to do this or is it a bi-annual freebie?

Last time I was in BKK my sim card had expired by about 1 month, so I stopped at the DTAC counter in the airport to see if there was anything they could do and they reactivated my number at no charge. All I had to do was put 100 baht on the phone. I don't know how long it takes for them to recycle a number, but if you have a sim that has expired fairly recently it might be worth a shot to see if it can be reactivated.

[QUOTE=Catire]Saw some incredibly attractive Thai girls partying it up at the Soi 11 clubs like Klimaxx on the weekends. RCA also good, but you're wasting your time there if you're over 35, perhaps even 30. (depending on how you look)[/QUOTE]I am in my early 50's and I have no trouble snagging smoking hot young chicks at Climax or Q Bar or Scratch Dog. That's because most of the girls at Climax are looking for business and couldn't care less about your age.

I do have trouble at places like Narcissus, Glow, and RCA. In general, if the majority of male customers are young Thai men. Us old farangs are fucked. Because most of the women are not hookers.

[QUOTE=Drogue]I am quite older than 35 and have been approached many times at the after hours club you mentioned. Girls are looking to make money and age plays very small part in their strategy.[/QUOTE]

basically true in after hours clubs, they're on the game, though if she has a younger guy also willing to pay you may lose. Were you referring to Klimaxx?

I was talking about RCA. These are not after hours clubs. It's where the youth of Bangkok goes to party. Regular clubs and discos. If you're much over 35, certainly 40 you will stand out like a sore thumb and basically wind up sucking on it yourself all night long.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]Easy answer ---------- the phone companies realise that most tourists do not return within two months so they want you to lose any credit on the Sim card and force you to buy a new one, yet another Thai scam.[/QUOTE]Yeah, a rather obvious answer to not so clever question lol.

The standard around Asia standard varies so much. My China sim was valid for over a year with no use, I think in Jakarta its 2 or 3 months. HK was 6 months, Philippines is also now 6 months.

I'm looking for a 1 bedroom apartment between Soi 4 and Soi 24 for less than 20,000 baht a month.

Any recommendation?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]Yeah, a rather obvious answer to not so clever question lol.

The standard around Asia standard varies so much. My China sim was valid for over a year with no use, I think in Jakarta its 2 or 3 months. HK was 6 months, Philippines is also now 6 months.[/QUOTE]

Of the number of people who buy these cards, the percentage who are tourists is probably a small fraction of 1%. It doen't really make sense that they would set it up that way specifically to sting tourists. THey're after baht. I don't think they care what the nationality was of the person previously holding the cash.

[QUOTE=Minuteman]I'm looking for a 1 bedroom apartment between Soi 4 and Soi 24 for less than 20,000 baht a month.

Any recommendation?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions![/QUOTE]

Just a thought: there's a Bangkok Craigslist.

[QUOTE=Minuteman]I am in my early 50's and I have no trouble snagging smoking hot young chicks at Climax or Q Bar or Scratch Dog. That's because most of the girls at Climax are looking for business and couldn't care less about your age.

I do have trouble at places like Narcissus, Glow, and RCA. In general, if the majority of male customers are young Thai men. Us old farangs are fucked. Because most of the women are not hookers.[/QUOTE]

I didn't check out any of the places above. Last time in BKK I found the Soi 11 club scene preposterously overpriced, so I avoided it this time around. I went to Glow last year, and it was full of old guys and not that many not particularly attractive girls.
There was one girl going to Climax though (apparently that's the spelling?) that I chatted up on soi 7 that was smoking... outstanding.

I can only imagine her opening price would be along Russian lines - basically 100USD or more for short time. No thanks.

There are some younger farang males at RCA, but yes, it's a normal disco scene, no hookers there. So if you can't get them without your wallet, you're not going to get them.

I searched the threads but didn't find the answer I was looking for. How easy is it to barfine a bg that I really like for a period of one week or longer? Also I live in Japan is it possible for me to barfine her or negotiate for her to stay with me for up to 3 months? Maybe someone has some experience with this?

Assuming she can get a passport and visa. Just wondering because from my experience in PI its mainly an issue of paying the right price and getting all of her documents for passport and visa.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]Easy answer ---------- the phone companies realise that most tourists do not return within two months so they want you to lose any credit on the Sim card and force you to buy a new one, yet another Thai scam.[/QUOTE]

Not always the case, if you top off with B$300, my card is extended for one year. I've pretty much stopped using the same prepaid account for obvious reasons so things might have changed in the past year. Prior to 2009, in other countries, it varies with network provider but some examples:

Vietnam - the worse, few months max
China - up to one year
HK - up to one year
Singapore - up to one year
Indonesia - 3-6 months

Maybe somebody can provide more up-to-date information.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Of the number of people who buy these cards, the percentage who are tourists is probably a small fraction of 1%. It doen't really make sense that they would set it up that way specifically to sting tourists.[/QUOTE]Exactly. They're just designed to keep everyone topping up.

I'm kind of fascinated by tourist paranoia. Amazing these guys even keep coming to Thailand, feeling targeted by anti-farang conspiracies every minute of every day.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I've found that if I'm able to negotiate down do 1500 (I have about 75% success,but feels like pulling teeth sometimes), they will usually only want to go to a short time room close by, which adds another 300 baht to the total. 2300-2400 baht ST[/QUOTE]

This is pretty funny. So basically if you bargain hard to get them down to 1500, then you end up paying 300 more anyway for the ST room... (and I wonder if they get a cut of that??? no idea, just speculating) So the best you can hope to get them down is really to 1800, and if you do, you're in a damn ST room rather than your own hotel room. Might as well pay the 2000 and have them in your hotel. You also save the work and annoyance of the bargaining.

[QUOTE=Mawfia]I searched the threads but didn't find the answer I was looking for. How easy is it to barfine a bg that I really like for a period of one week or longer? Also I live in Japan is it possible for me to barfine her or negotiate for her to stay with me for up to 3 months? Maybe someone has some experience with this?

Assuming she can get a passport and visa. Just wondering because from my experience in PI its mainly an issue of paying the right price and getting all of her documents for passport and visa.[/QUOTE]
I think it is quite unusual to bar fine a girl for 3 months.
Are you sure?
Lots of people recommend to bar fine a girl for a package of 3-4 nights.
What do you do if you get bored of her?how was your experience with the PI?

Save on barfines: just back from evening out down Cowboy.

Went into Thermae on way back about 200 girls in some really good lookers.

Also a few random girls in Gullivers soi 5.

[QUOTE=Wendella]This is pretty funny. So basically if you bargain hard to get them down to 1500, then you end up paying 300 more anyway for the ST room... (and I wonder if they get a cut of that??? no idea, just speculating) So the best you can hope to get them down is really to 1800, and if you do, you're in a damn ST room rather than your own hotel room. Might as well pay the 2000 and have them in your hotel. You also save the work and annoyance of the bargaining.[/QUOTE]I've been told the girls get 40 Baht if they are out before an hour - not sure if they get other commission too

[QUOTE=Mawfia]I searched the threads but didn't find the answer I was looking for. How easy is it to barfine a bg that I really like for a period of one week or longer? Also I live in Japan is it possible for me to barfine her or negotiate for her to stay with me for up to 3 months? Maybe someone has some experience with this?

Assuming she can get a passport and visa. Just wondering because from my experience in PI its mainly an issue of paying the right price and getting all of her documents for passport and visa.[/QUOTE]Anything is possible in Thailand when there is money involved. A long term "barfine" probably depends on if she likes you or not, whether her deal with her employer allows an absence, and if there are sponsors in the picture that may be coming back to BKK soon.

A lot of bargirls welcome the chance for a steady income with less of the hustle. Taking her back to Japan might be problematic, though, as I have found that bargirls do not do that well on extended holidays outside of Thailand. They miss spicy food, especially som tam, and they miss Thai soap operas.

I bet you could find a girl who works at a club on Soi Thaniya in Silom who would jump at the opportunity. There's probably women working there who have previously spent time in Japan. Plus, some of the prettiest girls in Bangkok can be found on Soi Thaniya.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Not always the case, if you top off with B$300, my card is extended for one year. I've pretty much stopped using the same prepaid account for obvious reasons so things might have changed in the past year. Prior to 2009, in other countries, it varies with network provider but some examples:

Vietnam - the worse, few months max
China - up to one year
HK - up to one year
Singapore - up to one year
Indonesia - 3-6 months

Maybe somebody can provide more up-to-date information.[/QUOTE]The trick is to always top up by 300B (not 50B or 100B at a time) as this gives you more expiry time for your buck on a pro-rata basis (300B will give you much more time to expiry in 1 hit than 6 separate 50B top ups or 3 separate 100B top-ups).

Do it so that your account expires only after your next probable visit..have had my number on 12call for last 3 years (ok I come here every 6 months and only need to top-up 300B each time and my expiry date is already Feb 2011). Don't worry if you are not able to use it all, at least you don't lose it and can use it at your next visit (just like any remaining credit on your BTS pass).

And I find it practical to keep the same SIM card (no need to buy a new one each time which costs extra) and my regular FL contacts know it's me calling them up (no hassle for them to update for your new number each time you turn up).

[QUOTE=Mawfia]I searched the threads but didn't find the answer I was looking for. How easy is it to barfine a bg that I really like for a period of one week or longer? Also I live in Japan is it possible for me to barfine her or negotiate for her to stay with me for up to 3 months? Maybe someone has some experience with this?

Assuming she can get a passport and visa. Just wondering because from my experience in PI its mainly an issue of paying the right price and getting all of her documents for passport and visa.[/QUOTE]

Japan visa for a thai girl especially a bar girl is almost impossible.

if you bar fine her long time just have her stop work. she can always get rehired.

I used to use the True SIM cards from 7-11, but they send you tons of spam texts every day (I literally received four spam texts per day from them for a whole month). I didn't know how to opt out of any of that, so I switched to DTAC/Happy.

These are also available from 7-11, no spam texts, and what's more, when I was leaving this time, I went to the DTAC office in Central World and had a pretty young lady extend the validity of the card for six months. I just told her that I will be out of the country for 4 months, she blippy-blopped on her keyboard, and my card was extended for six months. She said I could come back closer to the expiration date and extend it again, no worries. Didn't know that I could extend it myself, so that's good to know.

The idea that you must be younger than 35 to snag a looker at Climax is incorrect, IMHO. I think it definitely helps if you are good looking, but not a deal breaker if you are not.

Some observations from various nights at Climax:

1. I watched this young, attractive, athletic white guy with a full head of hair bounce from girl to girl getting rejected at every stop for over 2 hours. I'm not sure what he was doing wrong, but it wasn't working for him. I suspect he was asking them straight out if they do anal or something like that, so maybe he was ok with all the rejection. He eventually hooked up with a hag of a girl. I saw him at Climax on multiple nights, and he was having a tough time each of those nights.

2. There is a regular guy there (maybe a member of this forum?) who dresses in a suit, does the super humble wai to all the girls, and seems to be just a very happy soul. He is easily into his mid-50s, not particularly athletic, neither good- nor bad-looking, but seems to be willing and eager to have a good time. I have seen him there on many occasions over the last year or so, and he must be catching some poontang or else he would not return as often as he does.

3. I bumped into a balding early-50s American who was an asshole of the highest order. He didn't give anyone (including me) the time of day, he was looking at all the girls like he was undressing them mentally, seemed like a true slime ball. But here too, he was successful - he seemed to have money, and that was all that mattered.

So here we have one case of a young, good-looking guy who has a hard time, and two cases of somewhat older, not so good-looking guys who are finding success.

Several girls have told me the following. They are looking for a money-making experience, with some good sex, with someone who is not going to rip their vaginas to pieces. So they want sensual sex with a generous man. Often, the young guns are overly aggressive in their love making, end before the girl does, and then because they are young and are using their student loans to pay for this trip to BKK, they are thrifty with their tips. Older guys are often (not always) more in-tuned to the girl, are less vigorous, and often (not always) pay more at the end.

I think the sweet spot for these girls are guys in their mid-late thirties. These people have the looks still, they have enough money, and they are decent love makers. And of course, this is just my opinion.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]I used to use the True SIM cards from 7-11, but they send you tons of spam texts every day (I literally received four spam texts per day from them for a whole month). I didn't know how to opt out of any of that, so I switched to DTAC/Happy.

These are also available from 7-11, no spam texts, and what's more, when I was leaving this time, I went to the DTAC office in Central World and had a pretty young lady extend the validity of the card for six months. I just told her that I will be out of the country for 4 months, she blippy-blopped on her keyboard, and my card was extended for six months. She said I could come back closer to the expiration date and extend it again, no worries. Didn't know that I could extend it myself, so that's good to know.[/QUOTE]Yes that also works with DTAC - downside though is that the pretty young lady forgot to mention that the cost per minute is now much higher than before (possibly double) to compensate for the longer expiry date (a fellow monger did it over the phone a couple of years ago and got explained the whole deal).

Conclusion - as with FL, no such thing as a free lunch..

Another thing to be aware with DTAC is that coverage is not as widespread as with say 12-call if you venture in some remote rural areas (e.g. 1-2 hours out of Chiang Mai)

Last year I joined Soprano House. Which is a "G Club" on Soi 26 off Sukhumvit. For those unfamiliar with these types of venues, they are pricey membership clubs where you pay anywhere from 20-30, 000 baht for a set number of bottles (e. G., whiskey, vodka) or beers and additionally pay for time to talk to some very beautiful women. Many are university educated and a lot of fun to party with. They'll pour your drink for you, cuddle, laugh, and make sure you have a fun evening. What you most likely won't get is sex. There's no barfine and from my experience most of these women aren't looking to hook up. However, management does encourage the girls to develop a rapport with you so you'll come back, so getting phone numbers is easy and some of the women will agree to dinner or time at MBK. How you play it from there depends on you and the woman in question. I've gone out with women where it was clear she did so only to make sure I returned to the club so she could make money. I've also developed a genuine romance with a girl last year at Soprano who saw me on nights off and we would go out drinking, dancing, making out, doing hookah, etc. If I were here long enough it could have developed much further. If you're in Thailand for a bit, have disposable income, like to party, want to meet more upscale type of women, and enjoy "the chase" then this type of venue is great for you. Soprano House in particular is very upscale, lush, has an amazing live band, a great DJ. You feel like a million bucks inside.

I'm posting today to give you a sense of my latest experience at Soprano and a warning about how quickly your wallet can get drained. I had to get another membership because the one I had last year dried up. I paid 30, 000 baht and got 100 beers. Divided into 50 beers for me and 50 lady drinks. Soprano has a formula that deducts lady drinks when a girl sits with you. In a typical evening you'll go through about 10 or so. Getting a beer membership is actually a bad call. It's much better to get hard liquor which drains much slower. I had a 20, 000 baht membership at Carribbean that lasted 20 visits and I ended up just paying out the lady time (usually 4500-6000 baht per visit). At Soprano, I figured that I'd get about 5 great nights for my 30, 000 membership roughly $200 USD per visit.

I ended up only getting 3 visits in this time before blowing through 30, 000 baht! Over 3 nights I had about 25 beers (so I have a balance there), but 50 lady drinks went fast. I would guess I spent about 8+ hours with this one girl. She was hands down the best girl I have met at these places. Beautiful, fun, great dancer, and once she gets drunk could not stop french kissing me, which has never happened to me inside these places before and something I haven't observed with others. I'm not sure if it's because she actually likes me. But it's highly unusual.

While the girl was amazing, the value I got back was pretty bad. And I was disappointed with the management in several areas: 1) they overcounted the number of beers I had. Which I had to point out, 2) sometimes when they pour your beer they won't give you the leftover in the bottle, 3) I'm convinced they do not properly tabulate lady time. And you're usually too drunk by the end of the night to know what you're signing, 4) women will come by often to pester you for drinks. Which I find unique to Soprano, 5) extra charges are usually not explained in advance. I was charged for an entire extra hookah (500 baht) when I asked for new coals.

The point is: you have to be really careful. While I was really floored this time by the quality of women at Soprano (e. G., one woman I briefly spoke with had just joined 3 days ago. She was stunning, sweet, cultured and described how she just toured several countries in Asia), I didn't like how the management behaved and I especially felt I got pretty ripped off for 30, 000 baht. If you do want to venture into the "G Club" world, I highly recommend you get a hard liquor bottle membership at the 20, 000 baht level, ask for lady drink charges to be clearly explained, record mentally the time you begin and end with a woman, and make sure you examine the bill very closely. While I used to be a big fan of these places, this recent experience at Soprano House has soured me from visiting these types of venues in the future.

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[QUOTE=Kumbu]Several girls have told me the following. They are looking for a money-making experience, with some good sex, with someone who is not going to rip their vaginas to pieces. So they want sensual sex with a generous man. Often, the young guns are overly aggressive in their love making, end before the girl does, and then because they are young and are using their student loans to pay for this trip to BKK, they are thrifty with their tips. Older guys are often (not always) more in-tuned to the girl, are less vigorous, and often (not always) pay more at the end. [/QUOTE]

I'm in my 20s and have had mixed experiences with the reactions to my youth. But it's always kind of a nice moment when the girl tells me how old she is (twenty whatever) and then asks me and I'm in my 20s too. It's almost like we have a little bond and we're on the same team.

At times I'll go into a bar and all the girls will be gawking at me and then competing over me rather shamelessly while I'll look around and every other guy in the place will be 50 and slightly haggard and sitting alone. I guess this makes sense since there are so many more guys in their 50s than guys in their 20s that the girls probably get tired of it. A couple girls have asked me why I don't have a huge belly, like they thought that was standard issue for farangs. Also once a girl looked around a place and pointed at the different guys and told me what she would charge them. No big surprise, but the older and nicer dressed a guy was, the higher the fee she would ask.

Other times in other places it will feel like the girls are avoiding me in favor of the older guys, the reasons I assume being that the older guys will not have much sex energy and will mostly just want to talk and then soon fall asleep, they won't wear out their vaginas, and they'll be more likely to overpay and/or get into some kind of a sponsor situation.

In other countries I've gone to I'll be able to walk into a freelancer mongering joint and with my age I'll have the hottest girls offering themselves to me at reduced prices. In Thailand it's more of a mixed bag. Thai girls are often professional and heavily focused on making money, so they'll just go with anyone who's willing to pay.


In regards to the lovemaking style, there's been a lot of girls who have been completely unresponsive to me trying to fuck them lovingly and sensually, at which point I've said to myself "fine, if she doesn't want the love then I'll fuck her hard like a *****", only for them to respond very favorably.

Girls like it many different ways.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]I think it is quite unusual to bar fine a girl for 3 months.
Are you sure?

Lots of people recommend to bar fine a girl for a package of 3-4 nights.
What do you do if you get bored of her?how was your experience with the PI?[/QUOTE]Um yea I'm willing to give it a try at least if I do get bored of her then I'll gladly pay for her ticket home. This would more than likely be after spending at least a week together in Thailand so I can be sure.

I love PI but I'm am starting to get the label "butterfly" at some of the bars in Angeles city so I decided to take a break. As far as the GFE experience goes I don't think anyone compares to filipinas especially in AC. P4P in Manila is more similar to BKK and P4P in AC is more like Pattaya. I mean this more in terms of when you pay for LT the pinays in AC will stay almost until its time to go back to work at the bar the next day. I know some guys want the girl out the door as soon as it is time to go to sleep but I actually prefer she stay at least until after breakfast.

Last month I decided to check Quezon City out against the recommendation of seveal taxi drivers and reviews of the area. It has it pluses and minuses. Staying in Quezon city doesn't have to be expensive unless you want it to B. I stayed at Great Eastern hotel off of Quezon Ave and it was reasonably priced at 1800 php and the quality was on par with Ermita and AC hotels. As far as P4P goes that is mainly for streat walkers along Quezon Ave. The show girl bars like Stardust, You and Me (the name actualy changed but if you ask where "You and Me" is they point almost directly across to the street to a place called Castle), Mystique, La Legende, and the flagship bar Pegasus. You are not going to easily get a girl out of any of the bars unless you invest some time and money on the girl by buying her drinks and food. Even after that the mamasan will tell you on your second or third trip you may have the possibility of taking the girl out for 3 hours at about 5, 000 php not including her tip. Only a handful of the bars offer VIP room services at 5, 000 for one hour. Supposedly you can do anything you want with the girl. I never tried as this is not my style. If I were interested in an actual gf from PI this would be the place I would look. The girls in this area are considered the prettiest in Manila and AC and this is suppose to be a popular Japanese tourist spot. I didn't see any Japanese guys while I was there but then again maybe they were in the VIP rooms. The main difference I noticed between these girls and girls in Ermita or AC is they are lighter in complexion, most graduated high school and some college at least, and come from middle class families.

My experience at the show bars on Quezon was similar to my experience at the larger establishments on fields ave at places like Atlantis, Club Asia, or Icarius where the girls are quick to cop an attitude or refuse seeing a customer if they don't like you. And some of the girls are there solely to get drinks and talk very similar to the Japanese bar system.

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Well, I was mongering in Bangkok and Asia from my early 20's all the way through the 30's. And not going to say anymore on age.

Different girls like different things. Same as different men like different girls.

You will, in Thailand, generally find the pushy loud mouthed "I am better than you" girls will go for the young guy. Its like a trophey to them to stick the middle finger up at the other girls to say they can pull a young guy. They more often than not do not like the young guy and will go out of their way to get drunk or other things to avoid the sex, but its not about the sex, its all about showing off to the other girls.

Women naturally like older men, they find them more caring, more money in the wallet, more sensual, less selfish and generally all round much better for them.

Men naturally like younger girls as it gives them a confidence boost, they want to feel young and like a stallion.

So it fits.


I get many more freebies now than I did in my 20's, it might be down to the liberation of attitudes though, so what was then is not comparable to a much more liberal and open internet/open media/free travel age we have upon us now.


[QUOTE=Evianist]I'm in my 20s and have had mixed experiences with the girls reactions to my youth.

At times I'll go into a bar and all the girls will be gawking at me and then competing over me rather shamelessly while I'll look around and every other guy in the place will be 50 and slightly haggard and sitting alone. I guess this makes sense since there are so many more guys in their 50s than guys in their 20s that the girls probably get tired of it. A couple girls have asked me why I don't have a huge belly, like they thought that was standard issue for farangs. Also once a girl looked around a place and pointed at the different guys and told me what she would charge them. No big surprise, but the older and nicer dressed a guy was, the higher the fee she would ask.

Other times in other places it will feel like the girls are avoiding me in favor of the older guys, the reasons I assume being that the older guys will not have much sex energy and will mostly just want to talk and then soon fall asleep, they won't wear out their vaginas, and they'll be more likely to overpay and/or get into some kind of a sponsor situation.

In other countries I've gone to I'll be able to walk into a freelancer mongering joint and with my age I'll have the hottest girls offering themselves to me at reduced prices. In Thailand it's more of a mixed bag. Thai girls are often professional and heavily focused on making money, so they'll just go with anyone who's willing to pay.


In regards to the lovemaking style, there's been a lot of girls who have been completely unresponsive to me trying to fuck them lovingly and sensually, at which point I've said to myself "fine, if she doesn't want the love then I'll fuck her hard like a *****", only for them to respond very favorably.

Girls like it many different ways.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kumbu]There is a regular guy there (maybe a member of this forum?) who dresses in a suit, does the super humble wai to all the girls[/QUOTE]Well I hope while he's at it that he wais the toilet attendant, and the soi dogs on his way out.
[QUOTE]But here too, he was successful - he seemed to have money, and that was all that mattered.[/QUOTE]For better or worse in places like Climax these days, that's all that does. Young guys, handsome guys, charming guys, guys who speak Thai like natives . . . well, they might get thrown an extra bone every once in a while, but if they expect much more than that, they're delusional.

When to Midnight in Soi Cowboy last night.

I like Midnight because I think they have the prettiest girls that get naked on stage. In my opinion, Tilac, Sharks, and Baccara have the most beautiful women but they keep their clothes on at those 3 places.

Let me give you three warnings about Midnight though.

1. They have girls dressed up as Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders that do NOT fuck. They only job is to get you to buy them as many lady drinks as possible. You cannot bar fine them and they don't fuck. These twats, however, don't tell you that until you've already spent a few hundred baht on them. Avoid the cheerleaders.

2. They put on a 'show' at Midnight but it isn't anything more than 8-10 of their best girls dressed up in little bikinis strutting down the runway and then taking off their clothes. The problem is that most of those girls in the show are ladyboys so be careful. The girl that I was sitting with told me that four of the girls on stage were ladyboys. Three were obvious to me but damned if I could have picked out the fourth one. Danger!

3. The mama-sans at Midnight — which are old, well past their prime ex-dancers —- pester the customers to hurry up and choose a girl. I don't appreciate the pressure. I'll buy some twat when I'm good and ready so leave me alone, you fucking hag.

disagree with almost your entire post pro.


[quote=the pro]you will, in thailand, generally find the pushy loud mouthed "i am better than you" girls will go for the young guy. its like a trophey to them to stick the middle finger up at the other girls to say they can pull a young guy. they more often than not do not like the young guy and will go out of their way to get drunk or other things to avoid the sex, but its not about the sex, its all about showing off to the other girls.[/quote]

i haven't experienced this at all. i find that the pushy loud mouthed girls more often are looking to brag about having some old rich guy who doesn't even fuck her and just wants to take her shopping and buy her handbags and shoes all day.

a few times i did feel like i was being used to show off to the other girls a little bit, but the girl wasn't pushy or loud mouthed.


[quote]women naturally like older men, they find them more caring, more money in the wallet, more sensual, less selfish and generally all round much better for them.[/quote]

they like men who are maybe 5 years older, or at the most 10. anything much over that and it's solely about money or maybe creepy [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord129][CodeWord129][/url] desires she has for her father.


[quote]men naturally like younger girls as it gives them a confidence boost, they want to feel young and like a stallion..[/quote]

that's not why i like younger girls. i'm attracted to their lack of jadedness, their innocence, their girlish energy and emotionality.

It's all just a business deal.

If you are well groomed, clean shaved, freshly showered, physically fit, wear nice clothes, use a pleasant smelling after shave or colonge, keep your breath smelling sweet, carry yourself with confidence, treat the girls with enough respect so that they feel good about themselves, and aren't a blatant cheap charlie you will have no problem pulling even the most delectable girls unless you are in your seventies.

You will still pull if you meet the above criteria even if you are 100, but you might have to take a girl who is 25 or 30 instead of a nineteen year old, but you can still pull a beautiful and very sexy girl.

You wouldn't want to take home a stinky, filthy, dumpy slattern. The girls are going to angle for the most return on their investment. If you are older but make yourself attractive you will beat out a young, sloppy, smelly, drunken creep almost every time.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]I used to use the True SIM cards from 7-11, but they send you tons of spam texts every day (I literally received four spam texts per day from them for a whole month). I didn't know how to opt out of any of that, so I switched to DTAC/Happy.
[/QUOTE]
Had the same problem with AIS. Opting out is pretty easy. Either call their hotline or look for a phone menu item called "AIS/DTAC/TRUE services" or something like that. Confirm that you want to unsubscribe to their "info" (SPAM) service and you're done!

[QUOTE=Kumbu]The idea that you must be younger than 35 to snag a looker at Climax is incorrect, IMHO. I think it definitely helps if you are good looking, but not a deal breaker if you are not.

Some observations from various nights at Climax:

1. I watched this young, attractive, athletic white guy with a full head of hair bounce from girl to girl getting rejected at every stop for over 2 hours. I'm not sure what he was doing wrong, but it wasn't working for him. I suspect he was asking them straight out if they do anal or something like that, so maybe he was ok with all the rejection. He eventually hooked up with a hag of a girl. I saw him at Climax on multiple nights, and he was having a tough time each of those nights.

2. There is a regular guy there (maybe a member of this forum?) who dresses in a suit, does the super humble wai to all the girls, and seems to be just a very happy soul. He is easily into his mid-50s, not particularly athletic, neither good- nor bad-looking, but seems to be willing and eager to have a good time. I have seen him there on many occasions over the last year or so, and he must be catching some poontang or else he would not return as often as he does.

3. I bumped into a balding early-50s American who was an asshole of the highest order. He didn't give anyone (including me) the time of day, he was looking at all the girls like he was undressing them mentally, seemed like a true slime ball. But here too, he was successful - he seemed to have money, and that was all that mattered.

So here we have one case of a young, good-looking guy who has a hard time, and two cases of somewhat older, not so good-looking guys who are finding success.

Several girls have told me the following. They are looking for a money-making experience, with some good sex, with someone who is not going to rip their vaginas to pieces. So they want sensual sex with a generous man. Often, the young guns are overly aggressive in their love making, end before the girl does, and then because they are young and are using their student loans to pay for this trip to BKK, they are thrifty with their tips. Older guys are often (not always) more in-tuned to the girl, are less vigorous, and often (not always) pay more at the end.

I think the sweet spot for these girls are guys in their mid-late thirties. These people have the looks still, they have enough money, and they are decent love makers. And of course, this is just my opinion.[/QUOTE]I been to Climax one time, it was right across the street where I was staying and I decided to check it out. I was not impressed with the talent at all, maybe it was a bad night. I talked to one gal, she was ok looking, a bit better than average actually, but was distant, so I decided to stop talking to her. I didn't leave the area I simply ignored her. A few minutes later she ordered a beer and expected me to pay for it. I told the waitress I wasn't with her, to pay it herself.

I end up picking up a gal, she almost looked like Lucy Loo, but a petite version. When the sex started, her vagina started to stink so I finished up fast. I didn't bother banging her in the morning, but she did offer.

I echo the sentiments of Evianist, I'm quite young looking and some of the places on Soi Cowboy, most notably, Baccarra, the girls there didn't pay me much attention. A few girls would come up and say hello, but they were uninterested from the get go. I guess my suave and debonair looks didn't swoon them LOL. I did however have a pretty wild time upstairs at Dollhouse, I was going to BF 2 girls, but I already finished some business earlier and if I were to BF 2 girls, I would've wanted to have all bullets in the chamber, so to speak.

Hello all,

Does anyone have any luck scoring at places like RCA and the Siam shopping centers? I enjoy the chase, but with limited knowledge of the Thai language, i felt I was truly at a disadvantage. Although, someone said the particular venue where I was at was not so good. I did manage to score a freebie at afterhours club underneath the Windsnor Hotel. I forget the name of it, Scratchhouse? There were many nice looking girls there.

Some other places I enjoyed, a very sexy darker girl from one of those so called legit massage places, with nail and laundry service. She looked almost like Beyonce in the face. Unfortunately, she had a few stretch marks but nothing too bad, the body was bangin. On a sad note, i looked through her pics on her cell phone and as she went through them, there was a picture of her son. She flipped quickly through it, not even acknowledging the little guy. Her English was terrible and I quickly tired of her.

Went to Akane, Best Massage, and Teen Massage (all on Soi 33) and had great experiences at all 3 of them. The first place I visited was Best Massage the first day I arrived and picked 2 girls and the experience was incredible. both gave BBBJ, DFK, and FS. One of the gals I chose, I think she was close to 30 but had an incredible body and incredible amount of sex appeal. She was working the register when i walked in.

Akane Spa is great, it says FS is not on the menu, but if you get a naughty girl, it is. :)

Mango spa on Soi 24 is another place that I would highly recommend. Most of the girls there were quite nice.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]The idea that you must be younger than 35 to snag a looker at Climax is incorrect, IMHO. I think it definitely helps if you are good looking, but not a deal breaker if you are not.

Some observations from various nights at Climax:

1. I watched this young, attractive, athletic white guy with a full head of hair bounce from girl to girl getting rejected at every stop for over 2 hours. I'm not sure what he was doing wrong, but it wasn't working for him. I suspect he was asking them straight out if they do anal or something like that, so maybe he was ok with all the rejection. He eventually hooked up with a hag of a girl. I saw him at Climax on multiple nights, and he was having a tough time each of those nights.

2. There is a regular guy there (maybe a member of this forum?) who dresses in a suit, does the super humble wai to all the girls, and seems to be just a very happy soul. He is easily into his mid-50s, not particularly athletic, neither good- nor bad-looking, but seems to be willing and eager to have a good time. I have seen him there on many occasions over the last year or so, and he must be catching some poontang or else he would not return as often as he does.

3. I bumped into a balding early-50s American who was an asshole of the highest order. He didn't give anyone (including me) the time of day, he was looking at all the girls like he was undressing them mentally, seemed like a true slime ball. But here too, he was successful - he seemed to have money, and that was all that mattered.

So here we have one case of a young, good-looking guy who has a hard time, and two cases of somewhat older, not so good-looking guys who are finding success.

Several girls have told me the following. They are looking for a money-making experience, with some good sex, with someone who is not going to rip their vaginas to pieces. So they want sensual sex with a generous man. Often, the young guns are overly aggressive in their love making, end before the girl does, and then because they are young and are using their student loans to pay for this trip to BKK, they are thrifty with their tips. Older guys are often (not always) more in-tuned to the girl, are less vigorous, and often (not always) pay more at the end.

I think the sweet spot for these girls are guys in their mid-late thirties. These people have the looks still, they have enough money, and they are decent love makers. And of course, this is just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't disagree with that assessment, and it often extends to non pros, especially in non First World countries.

At that age, you hopefully have some disposable income, you have learned to fuck better and with a bigger repertoire than the Energizer Bunny and you still look fairly good - meaning - you do NOT look like her father!

while we're at it, I think a good case can be made for early thirties being a woman's sexual jackpot. The horniest and best encounters I've had often come from this age group.

when i arrived at soi 3 it was 9.30 p.m. there was a need for a decent hotel should be very easy to locate and should be easy for car parking. because i don’t want my business counter part face any hassles to find me on the next morning.

so i booked my room just over the road (forget the name, guessing arab operated) bht1100 per night. i requested to front desk please send my staffs to the room or i’l pick up those when i enter in my room. he agreed. yeah i’m not entering in my room right now, let me explore the soi(s) first.

went to anny (report submitted on the respective forum) after that nep, then walking walking and walking. couple of beers, watching the free lancers but failed to find any one for my fancy. while crossing “hotel grace” certainly a blash stopped my legs. do i know this thin girl, doing in her own? i returned back in front of the food stroll but she was not there. she was seated on the foot step of a tuk tuk eating her food minutely. when i arrived in front of her she just lift up her chin and made a smile to me. oh same smile, same movement, as same as my ex girl friend was. she pointed a girl inside the tuk tuk was seated and with a very clear english asked me “will u like to take her”? i answered no i want u.

throwing her food staff she stand up in front of me and asked ‘how much u like to pay, i take 1000 for st’. i was so determined not to loose her and asked for lt; she agreed for bht1500. it was a bit long walking to reach my hotel from there but i decided to continue. in the middle she asked how long i’m in the city but i didn’t answered. again the same question but with a close shout. peep peep.. a signal raised in my mind but i ignored.

in the room i found my staffs decently stored and i have nothing to loss. while i was making my self out of my dress i found she is sitting on the edge of the bed without any movement. i realized, with this girl, tonight will be an unfortunate night for me. immediately than she started begging to me no lt, she’v a headache, she want to go etc. etc. but i was so reluctant to keep her with me. finally she offered ok, only two times. again i disagreed with her (i don’t know how many times i will feel her, it depends). she break down on my bed, tomorrow she have examination, she have severe headache and started crying.

but i keep myself silent, just watching her how long she can go. certainly she stopped crying, pulled out the linen and went for the bath. i stopped myself and didn’t ask her should i join with her or not. after her i entered in the bathroom to wash my self and this was my first night in thailand washing myself alone in the bathroom. i thought everything has been settled down and was expecting the girl is now easy, as usual it would be. i never thought what a big surprise was waiting in the room. she was in her dress and with a big smile asked bye bye from me. i shouted loudly, u can not go i’v paid money to u. she just opened her bag pulled out and thrown the money on my bed.


she left me naked in the room as same as my ex-girl friend did several years ago.

[QUOTE=Mua Tur]She left me naked in the room as same as my ex-girl friend did several years ago.[/QUOTE]

That was probably what you wanted all along.

[QUOTE=The Pro]You will, in Thailand, generally find the pushy loud mouthed "I am better than you" girls will go for the young guy. Its like a trophey to them to stick the middle finger up at the other girls to say they can pull a young guy. They more often than not do not like the young guy and will go out of their way to get drunk or other things to avoid the sex, but its not about the sex, its all about showing off to the other girls.[/QUOTE]

Oh I forgot to add:

On occasion I like to use the "I got the young guy" bragging rights effect to do good. Sometimes I'll see one of the girls who I can tell probably doesn't get too much customer demand because maybe she's pretty average looking and/or doesn't have that cutthroat attitude, but she'll seem like a really good hearted girl so I'll barfine her almost just to be nice and give her the ego boost. She'll change into her street clothes and then come over to me looking proud and all the other girls will be staring at us really surprised and a couple of her friends will kind of cheer her on and she'll walk out with the biggest smile on her face.

Sometimes you gotta give back.

you can disagree all you like, i have been mongering in asia for 25 years, you have not.

when you have completed 25 years mongering and fucked over 2500 girls, then please tell us your findings based on your experience, not your "opinion".

[quote=evianist]disagree with almost your entire post pro.

i haven't experienced this at all. i find that the pushy loud mouthed girls more often are looking to brag about having some old rich guy who doesn't even fuck her and just wants to take her shopping and buy her handbags and shoes all day.

a few times i did feel like i was being used to show off to the other girls a little bit, but the girl wasn't pushy or loud mouthed.

they like men who are maybe 5 years older, or at the most 10. anything much over that and it's solely about money or maybe creepy [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord129][CodeWord129][/url] desires she has for her father.

that's not why i like younger girls. i'm attracted to their lack of jadedness, their innocence, their girlish energy and emotionality.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Mua Tur]She left me naked in the room as same as my ex-girl friend did several years ago.[/QUOTE]
So what's the problem - you got the complete GFE treatment.

Mua, my sympathies are with you...

Member #2041 - ROTFLOL!! thats probably the funniest comment on this entire site!!

[QUOTE=Member #2041]So what's the problem - you got the complete GFE treatment.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=The Pro]You can disagree all you like, I have been mongering in Asia for 25 years, you have not.

When you have completed 25 years mongering and fucked over 2500 girls, then please tell us your findings based on your experience, not your "opinion".[/QUOTE]

What a load of bullshit!

[QUOTE=The Pro]You can disagree all you like, I have been mongering in Asia for 25 years, you have not.

When you have completed 25 years mongering and fucked over 2500 girls, then please tell us your findings based on your experience, not your "opinion".[/QUOTE]


If you've been with 2500 women and you're still this clueless about them, you need to ask for a refund.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano]Hello all,

Does anyone have any luck scoring at places like RCA and the Siam shopping centers? I enjoy the chase, but with limited knowledge of the Thai language, i felt I was truly at a disadvantage. Although, someone said the particular venue where I was at was not so good. I did manage to score a freebie at afterhours club underneath the Windsnor Hotel. I forget the name of it, Scratchhouse? There were many nice looking girls there.[/QUOTE]Yes, I scored a freebie with a lady from Siam Paragon. She worked in an opticians. We met online and spent a few weeks chatting, then when I arrived she met me in my hotel. 5 minutes later in bed. Was fine and fun just as a " one off". Never saw her again.

Any one around next week ?? flying out so anyone up 4 beet let me know.

[QUOTE=Evianist]I'm in my 20s and have had mixed experiences with the reactions to my youth. But it's always kind of a nice moment when the girl tells me how old she is (twenty whatever) and then asks me and I'm in my 20s too. It's almost like we have a little bond and we're on the same team.

At times I'll go into a bar and all the girls will be gawking at me and then competing over me rather shamelessly while I'll look around and every other guy in the place will be 50 and slightly haggard and sitting alone. I guess this makes sense since there are so many more guys in their 50s than guys in their 20s that the girls probably get tired of it. A couple girls have asked me why I don't have a huge belly, like they thought that was standard issue for farangs..[/QUOTE]This discussion has been repeated on many many boards before. When I was young and handsome (thats what my Mum said anyway!) and in my 20's I thought I could do no wrong and pulled most of what I looked at.

Now I'm in my 50's I have as much as I can handle. Recovery takes a little longer but I can still pull 3 ladies in 3 days (see recent BKK report).

I've sat in various bars and seen sad older lonely looking farangs with bellies (and no I don't have) but then I've seen odious young ones totally pissing off the girls by trying to be Jack The Lad.

At the end of the day, we're all out chasing, all trying, and all beleiving that we have an edge over the other punter, whatever his age group. The problem is that sometimes we beleive own own bullshit.

Is the Eden Club still open?

[QUOTE=Evianist]If you've been with 2500 women and you're still this clueless about them, you need to ask for a refund.[/QUOTE]

the biggest fault I'd find with your argument is not so much calendar age, but how you look, how you act, etc., and I think the age difference can easily stretch beyond 10, depending on the age of the girl, meaning the older she is, the older you can be.

for e.g. a fit non pot bellied 55 year old with at least a decent amount of hair left on his head and a youthful joi de vivre and energy to him is infinitely more attractive to a 25 year old for e.g. (or a woman of any age actually) than a guy who's 40, badly overweight and balding who also makes little effort to care for his appearance.

I see you made having a gut a big part of your post. Having one, or not, is not particularly age dependent.

(I don't want to rag on people losing hair, that's out of one's control, but you can make the effort to look the best you can depending on the amount you have left, even if it means shaving all of it off. However, if you shave it off, you better start working out a bit and keep a tan, There are few things less attractive than a skinny bald pale guy)

the extra wrinkle or two, or the extra grey hairs or two pale in comparison to the other far more serious aspects of a guy's presentability and attractiveness.

I'd dare say you may a harder time than you may think competing with a guy who's a decade older than you who's not any fatter or balder.

[QUOTE=The Pro]You can disagree all you like, I have been mongering in Asia for 25 years, you have not.

When you have completed 25 years mongering and fucked over 2500 girls, then please tell us your findings based on your experience, not your "opinion".[/QUOTE]

There you go... when there are no real evidence to bring up.. our friend the Pro Pulls the "who's got the bigger dick?" card...

The Pro, having mongered 25 years and fucked 2500 ladies hardly makes you an expert... you're just an old fart with an opinion... just like everyone else here.

Recently I went for the first time to Patpong. I saw some comments on this place and was keeping an eye on my wallet. I took a walk through the night market and was surprised that the shop keepers and bar hookers are so much more aggressive than anywhere else in Bangkok while the offered items were the same as anywhere else in Bangkok (MBK, Sukhumvit, Suan Lum night bazaar)

After 30 minutes walking around I wanted to see a room with an AC and take a look of one of the famous shows and entered just one which seemed to be reliable. Of course these shows are not on the ground level and visible for the audience o the street. I went into the bar and even got a beer for 80 bht as it was promised while entering. The performance on the stage was just disgusting!

Elderly (40+), ugly, sad looking ladies with a fat bottom and hanging boobs were putting parts in their twat and shooting it around. I finished my beer in a minute and escaped alive.

After that experience I wanted just to have a beer in more peaceful place and entered next door which looked like a relaxed dancing bar. I do not have the name but it really looked like a place for guys who want just have a beer and want to dance to old fashioned music. I ordered a beer (99bht) and paid with 1000 bht note. After 5 minutes I was asking for my change and of course I did not get a change because the lady claimed that this was just 100bht. Some old story.

I am 100% sure that it was not 100bht because I realized just a minute before paying that I did not have any 100 bht notes anymore and I always keep my notes with high value in a different section of my wallet and I was not drunk at all. I was blaming the lady but nobody was interested in that. One of the foreigners in the bar even stood in the exit while I wanted to leave and I was really scared that he is going to beat me. I guess he was part of the game.

To make a long story short:

There is not any reason to go Patpong! It is just a rip-off!

Sukhumvit is much better in every meaning. Bars as well as street market!

Avoid Patpong!

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Gents

Here's a question that may or may not have come up here before. Not even sure how to be specific, but what I'm wondering is does anyone know where/how those guys from the popular western guy/thai girl amateur porn sites (creampiethais, asiansuckdolls, asianappleseed, asianchickswhitedicks, etc.) get their girls?

Subquestion - does anyone know how to get time with any of those girl, specifically? There are a few that I'd certainly be willing to spend some extra dough on, and it's kind of a thrill to meet a real porn star!

Cheers

-B-

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Gents

Here's a question that may or may not have come up here before. Not even sure how to be specific, but what I'm wondering is does anyone know where/how those guys from the popular western guy/thai girl amateur porn sites (creampiethais, asiansuckdolls, asianappleseed, asianchickswhitedicks, etc.) get their girls?

Subquestion - does anyone know how to get time with any of those girl, specifically? There are a few that I'd certainly be willing to spend some extra dough on, and it's kind of a thrill to meet a real porn star!

Cheers

-B-[/QUOTE]
I've had 3 of the creampie/suckdolls gals in Pattaya. Two were gogo dancers, one just a freelancer. Pulled them in clubs for the standard freelancer rate (a bit more for one of them).
I don't know if they found them all in Pattaya.
M is my favorite by far, would love to find her.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano]Does anyone have any luck scoring at places like RCA and the Siam shopping centers? [/QUOTE]

I totally agree with you on the allure of the chase. As I roam through the shopping centers, I am always on the lookout for a potential target, but (i) it is harder than one would think given how easy sex is in other areas of Thai society, and (ii) such endeavors come with various other downsides which, now in retrospect, are not worth the effort. In my opinion, of course.

RCA is a great place to go if you want a regular nightclub experience. If you are a single farang male with little-to-no Thai skills looking to hook up that very night, I would say it is possible, but the chances are very, very slim - close to nonexistent.

I've been the RCA four times, each time with a group of semi-locals who knew how to act and where to go to be seen, and of those four times, I kind of hooked up on one occasion. And on that occasion, it was just pure dumb luck which facilitated it.

You see, you need what sociologists call 'a wedge'. A wedge is a device that is used to break the social ice. In RCA, you can't just go up to a girl and start chatting her up because she is unlikely to know enough English, and she will be under tremendous pressure because all her friends will be watching her. So it will likely be a cold, awkward conversation that ends very quickly.

The wedge I got on that one occasion when I kind of hooked up was when we were all dancing in a little nook on the side of some club in RCA and a couple of guys over to my right got into a disagreement. One of the guys got pissed off and stormed outta there, pushing people out of the way as he exited in a huff. As he passed, he shoved the girl in front of me hard, and her coke/rum spilled right onto my crotch. Funny, yah. Everyone started teasing her to not let that stop her from enjoying her drink (get it? The drink is all over my crotch...haha). So that gave me a wedge. We started talking, she asked me my name, I asked her where she was from, what does she do, etc. Eventually we swapped numbers, and the next day I texted her. Long story short: we met a couple of more times, made out once, and then it sort of fizzled.

Turning to shopping centers, I hooked up with a waitress at a restaurant at Central World. She was a gorgeous, sweet-smiled, long-legged shapely dark-skinned girl. She had eyes that just destroyed my self-control. The way I did it was just to go to eat there over and over again, gauging her interest. She started to smile at me after a while, and then every time I walked in I could hear her co-workers teasing her (with what I assumed was something like 'Your boy friend is here!). So I finally asked her out, and we went to watch a movie together.

We held hands, she smiled very sweetly, and I kissed her on the cheek goodnight. The next night we made out (got to second base), and on the third night we sealed the deal with an over-nighter in my hotel.

The sex was very high-schoolish - she was awkward and completely inexperienced. She tensed up from head to toe, making it hard for me to get my grope on. She orgasmed very easily, perhaps going through 10 cycles that first night. That's great, but it kept breaking my rhythm.

But the real problem was that her English was not all that good, and it was moving quickly toward a long-term serious relationship. So I had to put the kibosh on that asap.

Overall, I don't think I would pursue a 'real' girl unless she was just absolutely drop-dead once-in-a-lifetime gorgeous. I think the working girls are very sexy - you can find a super sexy girl with just a little patience. And perhaps more importantly, working girls don't come with the same kinds of social and emotional complications. That's my two bits.

[QUOTE=The Pro]You can disagree all you like, I have been mongering in Asia for 25 years, you have not.

When you have completed 25 years mongering and fucked over 2500 girls, then please tell us your findings based on your experience, not your "opinion".[/QUOTE]It's really rare to find someone so full of himself anf full-of-crap at the same time. I have been mongering in Thailand for over 45 years with over 4,000 girls, and you don't know squat!!

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]does anyone know where/how those guys from the popular western guy/thai girl amateur porn sites (creampiethais, asiansuckdolls, asianappleseed, asianchickswhitedicks, etc.) get their girls? [/quote]

They are very easy to find... just ask any good looking hooker, offer her some cash and she will do anything. They are in it for the money.
I think for these movie types they are paying them extra (so they agree to the camera), but I am not sure they are 100% aware about being featured in a pro website.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]
Overall, I don't think I would pursue a 'real' girl unless she was just absolutely drop-dead once-in-a-lifetime gorgeous. I think the working girls are very sexy - you can find a super sexy girl with just a little patience. And perhaps more importantly, working girls don't come with the same kinds of social and emotional complications. That's my two bits.[/QUOTE]

Well, it certainly is not a very good idea for tourists to do what you did, I would then call it a BIG waste of time.
Playing the non prostitute dating game can be long and painful, and you aren't even certain to "seal the deal" (as you said earlier).
Good think that goes for expats is that as we are here, we have time, we are in no rush to sleep with the lady. The good thing is to work many at a time (just like the Thais do), take 6 or 7 girls out and maybe you'll get half of them to give away their pussies.

For a tourist, you can try the dating game but as it is long and sometimes unsuccessful, better also hit the bars and massage places to ensure you plant your seeds on a daily basis.

For Dating, one could also try DIA, TLL and set up dates from Farangland but these also can be a dead end...

Okay, sort of a selfish-lust imposed post.

Yes, read the forum (I'm done reading the forum and wish for recent remarks).

You walk into a bar of any kind with the intention of taking 3, 4, 5 hotties home or more.

It has happened, I'm guessing? There are crazy fools out there like me who would love this scenario.

Tell your story, give your advice, (politely, don't turn it into an argument).

I want to believe it's possible by hearing your input on this amazing scenario.

My fear is, the bad-news stories will over power the really good ones. So if it's bad keep it to a minimum, if you would, please.

Let's keep the fantasy alive and not kill it completely (though there are things to be aware of, I'm sure).

My selfish and wonderful hallucination. I've paid for 4 hot thai girls (decent price. Don't want to read a 1, 000 posts on the pennies you saved or were beaten out of), we are drinking in the hotel after dinner/dancing. Whatever and all-bliss pours out. Does anyone live this story? Could you pass on the amazing experience for the rest of us to at-least dream, if not recreate the hot scene for ourselves? Love the Olympics, and this would be a sort of gold medal of blissful happy sex, I would like to 'shoot' down the mountain for.

Gawd, Hope this is good!

Buca

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Gents

Here's a question that may or may not have come up here before. Not even sure how to be specific, but what I'm wondering is does anyone know where/how those guys from the popular western guy/thai girl amateur porn sites (creampiethais, asiansuckdolls, asianappleseed, asianchickswhitedicks, etc.) get their girls?

Subquestion - does anyone know how to get time with any of those girl, specifically? There are a few that I'd certainly be willing to spend some extra dough on, and it's kind of a thrill to meet a real porn star!

Cheers

-B-[/QUOTE]Try Heaven Above, Soi Diamond off Walking Street. Many of the crampiethais / suckdolls come from there.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]
Subquestion - does anyone know how to get time with any of those girl, specifically? There are a few that I'd certainly be willing to spend some extra dough on, and it's kind of a thrill to meet a real porn star!
[/QUOTE]

A guy on another forum did a search to locate "Tussinee" and found her. She's got a website (just google that name). Apparently she charges him 10,000. I think that's an exception (he's apparently loaded with cash and doesn't care, and also probably asks for certain services most of us wouldn't).

There's a magazine Asia After Dark that features a lot of the gogo girls, even identifies the bar they work in. So you'd jsut need to go down there and try to spot her. (they also have a site)

But tomorrow's porn star is today's regular go go girl, I don't think these girls are anything other than what's already out there and available to anyone.

[QUOTE=Tom Mutt]Avoid Patpong![/QUOTE]

I've also been ripped off upstairs. Just don't go to any of the upstairs bars. Downstairs it can still be fun. Bada-bing (new place opposite Electric Blue) is quite nice. At Thigh Bar I've had 2000baht all in (room+bar+girl) with a enthuastic little spinner a few months ago (offer from mamasan after I check bin). Just need to keep your guard up.

[QUOTE=Booey]Good to know, thanks. Is there a charge to do this or is it a bi-annual freebie?

Last time I was in BKK my sim card had expired by about 1 month, so I stopped at the DTAC counter in the airport to see if there was anything they could do and they reactivated my number at no charge. All I had to do was put 100 baht on the phone. I don't know how long it takes for them to recycle a number, but if you have a sim that has expired fairly recently it might be worth a shot to see if it can be reactivated.[/QUOTE]

Sorry missed this.

I believe it was about 6 bhat to extend it by 6 months. Well worth it. Right now my sim is valid until mid March 2011.

[QUOTE=Wendella]A guy on another forum did a search to locate "Tussinee" and found her. She's got a website (just google that name). Apparently she charges him 10,000. I think that's an exception (he's apparently loaded with cash and doesn't care, and also probably asks for certain services most of us wouldn't).

There's a magazine Asia After Dark that features a lot of the gogo girls, even identifies the bar they work in. So you'd jsut need to go down there and try to spot her. (they also have a site)

But tomorrow's porn star is today's regular go go girl, I don't think these girls are anything other than what's already out there and available to anyone.[/QUOTE]

..guys for all the good tips. I'm in Bangkok now but will try in Pattaya next time and report on it.

Btw, I don't disagree with what you are saying about regular gogo girls...it's just a fetish of mine to do a girl that I have seen in movies already.

Cheers.

-B-

[QUOTE=Bonzo1].it's just a fetish of mine to do a girl that I have seen in movies already.
[/QUOTE]

Ah ok that's different then. As a guy with my own personal (but different) set of fetishes, I can definitely understand.

[QUOTE=Bucathai]...You walk into a bar of any kind with the intention of taking 3, 4, 5 hotties home or more...Tell your story, give your advice, (politely, don't turn it into an argument)...My selfish and wonderful hallucination. I've paid for 4 hot thai girls (decent price. Don't want to read a 1, 000 posts on the pennies you saved or were beaten out of), we are drinking in the hotel after dinner/dancing. Whatever and all-bliss pours out. Does anyone live this story? ...[/QUOTE]Me and a buddy took four go-go girls home for christmas presents. We switched around a bit as the night went on.
Story here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=969688&postcount=8731[/url]

Could one guy take four? Sure, but you really only have so many hands...

Lately, this past week in fact, I've watched a guy at a Patpong beer bar take home four girls (and a ladyboy) multiple times. The rub here is that he's a crusty old drunk and can't get it up (he says and the girls say, too). But, the girls do get naked and he does [i]something[/i] with them. The girls love him as he pays 2000 baht each and feeds them. Once the show is over they all sit around and watch HBO movies.

Anything is possible here in BKK if you have desire, energy, and most of all, [b]money![/b]

[QUOTE=Khunyai]It's really rare to find someone so full of himself anf full-of-crap at the same time. I have been mongering in Thailand for over 45 years with over 4,000 girls, and you don't know squat!![/QUOTE]
Well, I've been mongering in Thailand for over 200 years, and I've been with over 300,000 women. Can anyone top that?

[QUOTE=D Cups]Oh yes. I just there two days ago but did not see any big tits on duty.[/QUOTE]

I went there a few days ago and there were a few with gigantic tits, and several with medium to large. The only problem was, almost all the girls were horribly ugly...I mean like a 1 on the 1 to 10 scale. I think there were about 20 girls that I saw, 15 of whom were 1-2 range, and the other 5 in the 3-4 range max. Not a single good looking girl in the entire group, and I'm not that picky to begin with (caveat: one big tits girl was probably doable in a pinch, but I've seen better mama-sans in gogo's who have probably not been laid in 20+ years).

My friends and I chatted a bit with the manager who was clearly a self-righteous prick (despite our efforts to be friendly and considerate and build rapport, he basically said "pick the girls immediately or leave"...after less than 2 min in the place and despite his not having a single pretty girl on staff).

Really disappointing as I had read about this place quite a bit before and was looking forward to a new experience, but I can't see going back and suffering that intolerable French guy or his skank-ugly girls (no offense to them intended, I'm just talking about visual appearance and being frank).

-B-

[QUOTE=David 2]Well, I've been mongering in Thailand for over 200 years, and I've been with over 300,000 women. Can anyone top that?[/QUOTE]

I'll do my best to beat that and report back when I celebrate my 200th birthday!

Well on the way to that target already

I'm in Pattaya now and I'm supposed to go to Bangkok Friday evening after my dive, then I am headed back to the states late Saturday night/ early Sunday morning. My BKK gf is telling me not to go to Bangkok because there will be protests and demonstrations on Friday and she is worried I will not be able to get home the day after. I will not arrive in BKK until around 7pm Friday. What is the problem? Will I run into trouble (eg. traffic delays) en route there? Staying at the Grand Sukhumvit as usual.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I'm in Pattaya now and I'm supposed to go to Bangkok Friday evening after my dive, then I am headed back to the states late Saturday night/ early Sunday morning. My BKK gf is telling me not to go to Bangkok because there will be protests and demonstrations on Friday and she is worried I will not be able to get home the day after. I will not arrive in BKK until around 7pm Friday. What is the problem? Will I run into trouble (eg. traffic delays) en route there? Staying at the Grand Sukhumvit as usual.[/QUOTE]Mr Enternational,

Red Shirt demonstration. One again and again mentioned target is to shut down the traffic in Bangkok.

Nobody knows the outcome - I recommend NOT to come to BKK on Friday, to stay in Pattaya and go to the airport directly from there.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Bumholes1]I'll do my best to beat that and report back when I celebrate my 200th birthday!

Well on the way to that target already[/QUOTE]Yeah, 201 years, and just did my 300,001 yesterday! Undoubtedly will add to that total tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Giotto] One again and again mentioned target is to shut down the traffic in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]

Shut down the traffic? How could you tell? :-)

[QUOTE=Oldian]Yeah, 201 years, and just did my 300,001 yesterday! [b]Undoubtedly will add to that total tomorrow[/b][/QUOTE]


... with this young cutie?
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/10/antisa-khvichava-130-year_n_493592.html[/url]

:D

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]... Will I run into trouble (eg. traffic delays) en route there? [/QUOTE]

Red shirt rally sites are mentioned here:
[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/03/05/politics/March-12-most-worrying-day-30123994.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Evianist]That was probably what you wanted all along.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure. How could u ?

[QUOTE=Goyave]Red shirt rally sites are mentioned here:
[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/03/05/politics/March-12-most-worrying-day-30123994.html[/url][/QUOTE]Here's another map with additional detail...

[url]http://maps.google.co.th/maps/ms?hl=en-GB&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=116480606892254086046.0004817fafbb87b0951c0&ll=13.745054,100.555286&spn=0.086708,0.154324&z=13[/url]

Maybe we could ask them to put pins on it for soapies and oilies, too?

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]

Maybe we could ask them to put pins on it for soapies and oilies, too?[/QUOTE]Hey guys,

Sorry for that silly question. What is the big difference between oilies and soapies. Of course I know the chemical difference between soap and oil. But is there also a difference in the provided technical things.

Nana Disco (Angel's) has apparently reopened as Nana Liquid Disco.

Anyone been there yet?

[QUOTE=Goyave]... with this young cutie?
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/10/antisa-khvichava-130-year_n_493592.html[/url][/quote]She is overage. Against the law. But if she has any great great great great granddaughters around.

Goyave,

Actually, if you watch the video and watch her throwing the dice and drinking vodka you'd think that she was probably quite a catch a century ago.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Nana Disco (Angel's) has apparently reopened as Nana Liquid Disco.

Anyone been there yet?[/QUOTE]

No but saw on another forum that someone had -- he said it was dead. No door charge though. They had a band. Few customers. No WG. It just opened though. We'll see what happens. It was something else in its day. Hope it has a second coming.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Nana Disco (Angel's) has apparently reopened as Nana Liquid Disco.

Anyone been there yet?[/QUOTE]
Entrance fee at 400 baht and beer at 150 baht. With Climax at 200 and other discos at about 300 I foresee a short life, especially if girls have to pay entrance too like first at Nana Disco.

[QUOTE=Theant]Entrance fee at 400 baht and beer at 150 baht. With Climax at 200 and other discos at about 300 I foresee a short life, especially if girls have to pay entrance too like first at Nana Disco.[/QUOTE]

Those are the old prices.

I read it's free entrance now.

we all seem to visit generally the same places in bangkok. i was wondering if others could chime in on areas or places where we can find activities that are not on the beaten path (nana area, soi cowboy etc).

specifically:

1. bj bars other than star of light, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and the bj bars in soi cowboy
2. massage parlors starting at ekkamai bts going to on nut bts station
3. any other places that never get mentioned that you have been to

please be specific in location so others(like myself) can check them out.

showdown

It is free, drinks circa 130 for a tiger.

[QUOTE=Showdown]We all seem to visit generally the same places in Bangkok. I was wondering if others could chime in on areas or places where we can find activities that are not on the beaten path (Nana area, Soi Cowboy etc).[/QUOTE]

Many places are in fact mentioned on the forum. How about you do a search and make a list of what you find, and invite updates and corrections.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Those are the old prices.

I read it's free entrance now.[/QUOTE]

Yeah the guy who went there this past week definitely said there was no door fee. He did not mention how much a beer cost.

[QUOTE=Escada]Hey guys,

Sorry for that silly question. What is the big difference between oilies and soapies. Of course I know the chemical difference between soap and oil. But is there also a difference in the provided technical things.[/QUOTE]

[b]MASSAGE PARLORS :Traditional Thai Massage [/b]

Pricing
1 hour = 200 THB
2 hours = 400 THB

Basically all the Massage places in Thailand will offer this Type of Massage.
You do not get a private room for this type of massage, just a common room with mattresses on the floor separated by curtains.

This is my favorite massage, the technique will amaze you!! They make every bones and joints in your body Crack!
You need to wear a Pajamas for this Massage, they will provide one for you.
Unless you go to a Hotel’s spa, at the end of the Thai Massage, 99% of the Time the Masseuse will ask you if you want the “Special Massage”
Special massage in a Thai Massage place consists of a HJ (Hand Job) and if you’re lucky a CBJ (Covered Blow Job).

HJ Special is THB 500 and CBJ is THB 1,000.
The girl will stay clothed during the Whole Session

[b]MASSAGE PARLORS : Herbal Oil Massage[/b]

Pricing for Oil Massage:
1 hour = 400 THB
1.5 hours = 600 THB
2 hours = 800 THB

Pricing for Lotion Massage:
1 hour = 600 THB
1.5 hours = 800 THB
2 hours = 1000 THB


This is the carbon copy of what you call a Swedish Massage.
Except for the 5 star places, they will all use Baby Oil (which smells and is difficult to wash in the shower). Lotion Massage is an odorless body lotion that is very easy to clean and disappears in the shower once the massage is over.
Almost 100% of the Oil Massage Providers will offer you “Special Massage”

In about 75% of the Massage Places, Farangs will go there for the “Extras” (or Special Massage if you prefer). This is a little different than the Traditional Thai Massage Places.
For Traditional Thai Massage, the Providers are usually a little “Older” and you do not get to chose them.
In the case of Oil Massage, you are the one to chose your masseuse.
You can chose your girl “Live” by going to the Room where they all sit, or order from a Catalogue where you see all the Girls Pictures.
The Catalogue is for Japanese people, most of them would never walk in the room and face 20 girls (that’s 40 pairs of eyes staring at you)… they prefer to be discrete and look at the catalogue. The reason why looking at the catalogue is a bad idea is that all the girl’s pictures are heavily photoshoped. Best is to face them and see which ones you get vibes from (while some will smile and wave in your direction, others won’t even look at you).

Once you choose your girl, you can Order the time you want.
99% of the oil places will offer you a private room with in Room Shower

For this massage type, you need to take a shower in the Room prior and after the Massage.
Usually, the Girl comes in the shower with you and she washes you thoroughly (yes, she cleans you everywhere!) and then showers herself also.
Onto the bed she proceeds to massage you using the Oil, and for this massage, you are completely naked. After about 45 minutes of massage, she will ask if you want “Special Massage”.
Now this is different from Traditional Thai Massage, because you are in a private and Closed room, the Extras offered will be as Follows :
HJ Special is THB 500
CBJ or BBBJ is THB 1,000
FS is THB 1,500
(usually when you order FS, she will give you a BJ to start)

Once you “come”, the session is Over and back to the shower where she washes you again.

[b]MASSAGE PARLORS : Body Soapy Massage[/b]

Now this is a very different scheme as the 2 massage types outlined above. While most massage places that offer Thai Massage will offer you Oil Massage, the ones that offer Soapy only deal with Soapy.
Pricing:
Pricing is a little complicated as every place has its own. Some Places only cater to Thais, some only to Japanese and some only to Farangs (non Asians). Though, most places will accept Foreigners but apply a fee (called Farang surcharge) which can go from THB 500 to 1,500 above the Thai Price.
Cheapest you can find is THB 1,800 for 1.5 hours and could go up to THB 6,500 (for “Models” or Freelancers).
Soapy Massage (also Called MP by the Local Farangs) has a very easy modus operandi….
Just walk into the MP and wait for the Papasan to approach you… you have 2 options :
a) look at the Fishbowl first
The Fishbowl is called a Fishbowl because the Room where the Girls sit is all glass so you can see them from everywhere…. Pretty much like an aquarium.
In some places, the girls cannot see you and in other places, it’s just a glass and they can see who comes in and out.

b) All the ladies have a number that they keep until they quit working for the Place… so if you like a certain lady, remember her number and ask the Papasan next time you visit and she will have the same number. Better, Book in advance to make sure she is working that day, and/or not busy with another customer.
Some places have 2 or even 3 different fishbowl, which means that the prices are different per Fishbowl (every girl in one FB is at the same price)
So you can have a Fishbowl @ THB 1,800, another @ THB 2,200 and a third one @ THB 2,800 (the most expensive it gets, the better the girls will look)…. Some places even offer you “Models” that have made covers of magazines… but they are expensive and quite Frankly “Starfish”.
Also, you sometimes have girls wandering outside of the FB, hanging out on a sofa…. These are Freelancers, they do not work for the Massage place and are not professionals… they can be your average supermarket Cashier trying to get some quick cash… they pay a hefty commission to the MP if they are chosen and are usually also quite expensive and not very good in bed.
c) Choose the lady (or Ladies… remember, you are paying so you can have as many ladies as you want at the same time).
d) The Papasan will quote you a price… (now be wary of these fuckers… some will try to scam you… basically, anything on top of the regular price goes right into his pocket). Also, he will “recommend” you ladies… (“take #45, very good”….) but he only pushes girls that will give him a kickback on the “Extras” Money…
e) Soapys (or MPs) usually always include the same Routine :
a. You get a bath with the girl naked in the bathtub washing you
everywhere
b. You are guaranteed a BBBJ in the tub and 99% of the ladies will let
you “come” in their mouth
c. After the bath, you move on to the bed where you receive an oil
Massage
NB : Some places have an inflatable mattress and offer a Full Body to Body Soapy experience (meaning that the girl will soap herself and wash you again with her tits and pussy by sliding all over your body)
Not All places have inflatable mattresses as it is quite rare.
d. After the massage, the lady will proceed to another BBBJ and then
have sex with you
e. After sex, back in the bathtub and she washes you again before
you leave
f) You need to leave a “tip” to the lady before you leave, the tip is up to you but usually ladies will expect nothing less than THB 500 (unless you did not like the session then you don’t have to tip).

Truer words have not been spoken.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Me and a buddy took four go-go girls home for christmas presents. We switched around a bit as the night went on.
Story here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=969688&postcount=8731[/url]

Could one guy take four? Sure, but you really only have so many hands...

Lately, this past week in fact, I've watched a guy at a Patpong beer bar take home four girls (and a ladyboy) multiple times. The rub here is that he's a crusty old drunk and can't get it up (he says and the girls say, too). But, the girls do get naked and he does [i]something[/i] with them. The girls love him as he pays 2000 baht each and feeds them. Once the show is over they all sit around and watch HBO movies.

Anything is possible here in BKK if you have desire, energy, and most of all, [b]money![/b][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]... most of them would never walk in the room and face [b]20[/b] girls (that’s [b]40[/b] pairs of eyes staring at you)… [/QUOTE]Nice to see this very informative report posted again here, but you forgot to edit that part. My personal tastes in girls are more conventional, as usually, the girls that I fancy have only one pair of eyes each! :D

Tourists in Bangkok and its immediate surrounds, are being warned to take extreme caution, give a lot more time to get to the airport, try and check-in 3 to 4 hours early and expect delays, closures and other inconveniences this coming weekend. 12. 14 March 2010.

In an email sent on Thursday, Andrew Wood, General Manager Chaophya Park Hotel & Resorts, long term resident of Thailand and Skal Int'l Councillor. Thailand, warned that, "it is fair to say that if you don't need to come to BKK it would be best to avoid it this weekend. "

The reason for such a serious warning, is that the political turmoil, which has been ongoing since the coup which threw Thaksin from power, has been simmering, gradually coming to a boil, and this weekend large demonstrations are planned in and around Bangkok.

It is just under two years ago that yellow shirt protestors closed the airports of Phuket, Krabi and Hat Yai before turning their attention to Bangkok's Suvarnabhumi airport with disastrous results for Thailand's image and travel industry.

Will there be trouble this weekend? It is impossible to say for sure, but a lot of companies throughout Bangkok have closed offices that would normally be open in areas where the demonstrations are likely to take place. Some airlines are opening their check-in counters as much as four hours in advance, major disruption is likely on the roads and many airline staff have already been moved from city hotels to hotels at, and around, the airport until further notice.

There is a strong feeling that this weekend could be a critical moment in the country's history, but we have been at similar junctures in the past. Regardless of which side is right, which is wrong. If you are in Bangkok this weekend, extreme caution should be taken. Or, alternatively use the moment of uncertainty, and do what many Thais are doing and head to the beach. Perhaps enjoy the Hua Hin Kiteboarding World Cup which starts on 13 March 2011

[QUOTE=Goyave]Nice to see this very informative report posted again here, but you forgot to edit that part. My personal tastes in girls are more conventional, as usually, the girls that I fancy have only one pair of eyes each! :D[/QUOTE]Good one Goyave.

Made my day.

Thanks for the advice.

I will be going to BKK for the first time the weekend after this weekend. You guys think it will be okay by then? I suppose the results of this upcoming weekend will tell.

The timing really sucks, but what can you do.

[QUOTE=Wandere]Tourists in Bangkok and its immediate surrounds, are being warned to take extreme caution, give a lot more time to get to the airport, try and check-in 3 to 4 hours early and expect delays, closures and other inconveniences this coming weekend. 12. 14 March 2010.

In an email sent on Thursday, Andrew Wood, General Manager Chaophya Park Hotel & Resorts, long term resident of Thailand and Skal Int'l Councillor. Thailand, warned that, "it is fair to say that if you don't need to come to BKK it would be best to avoid it this weekend. "

The reason for such a serious warning, is that the political turmoil, which has been ongoing since the coup which threw Thaksin from power, has been simmering, gradually coming to a boil, and this weekend large demonstrations are planned in and around Bangkok.

It is just under two years ago that yellow shirt protestors closed the airports of Phuket, Krabi and Hat Yai before turning their attention to Bangkok's Suvarnabhumi airport with disastrous results for Thailand's image and travel industry.

Will there be trouble this weekend? It is impossible to say for sure, but a lot of companies throughout Bangkok have closed offices that would normally be open in areas where the demonstrations are likely to take place. Some airlines are opening their check-in counters as much as four hours in advance, major disruption is likely on the roads and many airline staff have already been moved from city hotels to hotels at, and around, the airport until further notice.

There is a strong feeling that this weekend could be a critical moment in the country's history, but we have been at similar junctures in the past. Regardless of which side is right, which is wrong. If you are in Bangkok this weekend, extreme caution should be taken. Or, alternatively use the moment of uncertainty, and do what many Thais are doing and head to the beach. Perhaps enjoy the Hua Hin Kiteboarding World Cup which starts on 13 March 2011[/QUOTE]

You wanted some info but can't receive private messages. How should I contact you. Use a PM to me

[QUOTE=Mackin]You wanted some info but can't receive private messages. How should I contact you. Use a PM to me[/QUOTE]
If he can't get private msgs, it means he doesn't have a paid account. That means he won't be able to send msgs to you either. Only way to communicate with him then is openly on the forum. Here, in other words.

[QUOTE=Naughty]Good one Goyave.

Made my day.[/QUOTE]

I'm glad it did.

I made a similar remark a few months ago in [url="http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=945234"]this report[/url], but apparently, NicFrenchy did not notice it then (he might need a second pair of eyes himself, or maybe he really loves girls who have 2 pairs of eyes instead of only one). ;)

Anyone else notice that thai girls really run up the bill when you take them out for food? And then never say thank you afterwards?

This has happened to me with a non-working girl too. She kept ordering two main dishes for each meal and then not even eating half of them.


Then they wonder why you don't want them as a girlfriend. Girls who blow your money on things they wouldn't need if they were paying are girls to drop sooner rather than later.

Evianist

They are liberty taking race off ppl whats there is there whats everybody elses is everybodys LOL

I wouldnt stand for it anymore slyest race off ppl on the planet :D also not educated like ppl from the west !!!

[QUOTE=Goyave]I'm glad it did.

I made a similar remark a few months ago in [url="http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=945234"]this report[/url], but apparently, NicFrenchy did not notice it then (he might need a second pair of eyes himself, or maybe he really loves girls who have 2 pairs of eyes instead of only one). ;)[/QUOTE]

Hahahahah priceless :)

Yes, got me laughing.

Actually, the girl isn't good looking at all (to stay polite)... no matter how many pairs of eyes you put on her :)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]... Actually, the girl isn't good looking at all (to stay polite)...[/QUOTE]

Not a stunner and certainly not the most beautiful girl that I've shagged so far, but cute enough in my book. Especially for 300 baht ST on premises in a cheap brothel located in Udon Thani. There's another picture of her in this previous report of mine: [post]827045[/post]

Fortunately, all mongers don't have the same taste in women.

By the way, her name is Nok, but on our first encounter, she did not tell me her name in Thai, but said it in English ("bird") and I then heard something like "pert" instead, hence the mistake on her name in my previous report! ;)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Hahahahah priceless :)

Yes, got me laughing.

Actually, the girl isn't good looking at all (to stay polite)... no matter how many pairs of eyes you put on her :)[/QUOTE]
Yes she is cute (although looks a bit childlike), but Nic would probably prefer two large sets of C to D cups.

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]... Nic would probably prefer two large sets of C to D cups.[/QUOTE]

Found one really nice set on one cute Lao girl recently, again in a cheap brothel of Northeastern Thailand, but did not have my camera with me then. I should pay a visit there again soon, and hopefully, will post at least one picture in the photo gallery.

I know about him not joining with his fee, except that I received a PM from him as an answer to something I wrote to him before. Maybe he shut it off but I can't return answers to his questions. Just leting him know.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy][b]MASSAGE PARLORS :Traditional Thai Massage [/b]

Pricing
1 hour[/QUOTE]Thanks , Very helpful . Was looking for this info.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy][b]MASSAGE PARLORS :Traditional Thai Massage [/b]

Pricing
1 hour = 200 THB
2 hours = 400 THB

Basically all the Massage places in Thailand will offer this Type of Massage.
You do not get a private room for this type of massage, just a common room with mattresses on the floor separated by curtains.

This is my favorite massage, the technique will amaze you!! They make every bones and joints in your body Crack![/QUOTE]Wow! Thank you for that great introuction. I did not expect such a great report. I'll be in BKK from Tuesday on and will try each of that. If you like to catch up. The beers will be paid by me.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Anyone else notice that thai girls really run up the bill when you take them out for food? And then never say thank you afterwards?

This has happened to me with a non-working girl too. She kept ordering two main dishes for each meal and then not even eating half of them.


Then they wonder why you don't want them as a girlfriend. Girls who blow your money on things they wouldn't need if they were paying are girls to drop sooner rather than later.[/QUOTE]


I have had this happen to me but they have always said Thank you.

The best place to take them is to a Thai BBQ as it is all you can eat so no problem.

Some girls do take the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and it is annoying when they leave food but on the whole most will eat what they order.

[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]I have had this happen to me but they have always said Thank you.

The best place to take them is to a Thai BBQ as it is all you can eat so no problem.

Some girls do take the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and it is annoying when they leave food but on the whole most will eat what they order.[/QUOTE]
My best gal in Thailand NEVER ate more than 150 baht's worth at a meal.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Hahahahah priceless :)

Yes, got me laughing.

Actually, the girl isn't good looking at all (to stay polite)... no matter how many pairs of eyes you put on her :)[/QUOTE]
Spend enough time here in Sex Prison in the U.S. and she will move from a 6 to an 8. And maybe a 9 when you consider that she cost 300 baht and has a pleasant, affectionate personality.

Actually, I digress. Things really are not quite as terrible in the U.S. as they may seem: I just got back from a nice $80 quickie with one of my favorites here in San Diego - she looks like the cheerleader I never got to fuck in high school, and her body is 100% natural. Other than the fact that $80 US is 5 times what I'd need to pay for comparable in Thailand, it was not bad at all.

[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]I have had this happen to me but they have always said Thank you.

The best place to take them is to a Thai BBQ as it is all you can eat so no problem.

Some girls do take the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and it is annoying when they leave food but on the whole most will eat what they order.[/QUOTE]

I was going to say the same thing, only down side to it is sitting around waiting for them to finish eating.

To add to that, poor girls live on a budget so they make the most of a free meal.

Bit like a monger who isn't getting much action back home and trying to cram in as much pussy as possible into a two week holiday.

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]Yes she is cute (although looks a bit childlike), but Nic would probably prefer two large sets of C to D cups.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's true :D

[QUOTE=Evianist]Anyone else notice that thai girls really run up the bill when you take them out for food? And then never say thank you afterwards?...This has happened to me with a non-working girl too. She kept ordering two main dishes for each meal and then not even eating half of them...Then they wonder why you don't want them as a girlfriend. Girls who blow your money on things they wouldn't need if they were paying are girls to drop sooner rather than later.[/QUOTE]Evanist, you're just on a steep learning curve at the moment, just like many of of us were at one time. The opportunity to order expensive food is viewed as a treat for them. Just know that experienced P4P ladies are masters of extracting baht in various forms from their [i]customers.[/i]. They even gloat about it over [i]som tam[/i] with their girlfriends!

The longer you are in TH you'll become used to this behavior. Thai working ladies are much like, (and often are), spoiled teenagers, Give them an inch and they will take a mile. You either deal with it and not worry too much, or take control of the situation and lay down some rules.

After awhile, if you are in a "real" relationship, you will find that most Thai women are somewhat frugal and watch every baht. It then will work to your advantage as they know how to bargain and get much better prices than [i]farang[/i] in most circumstances.

Besides, if someone were taking me out to eat, (which almost never happens anymore except on a client's expense account), I always order a big steak!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Besides, if someone were taking me out to eat, (which almost never happens anymore except on a client's expense account), I always order a big steak![/QUOTE]

Also depends where you take the girls. Many girls have not been to certain types of restaurants, but they heard about some food names from other working girls... so they order the same thing not knowing what it actually is. They eat a bite or two, don't like it, are too embarrassed / ashamed to admit this so they just leave the food and say they are full.

Then an hour later they want to borrow a few baht for some street noodle and are friggin happy.

[QUOTE=Patterson]Evianist

They are liberty taking race off people whats there is there whats everybody elses is everybodys LOL

I wouldn't stand for it anymore slyest race off people on the planet also not educated like people from the west![/QUOTE]Yet you fly a good half way across the world to shag them? Who is the bigger loser? When in Rome, respect their culture [do as the romans do].

Stay home, Farang, you will ruin it for everyone.

When the cying and arguing is over, all women (well 95%) have money for sex.

Be it direct payment.

Be it by buying them a meal and a night out at a club

Be it buying them new clothes and bags and shoes.

Whichever way, yes, you pay. Its why I many years ago adopted the "pay direct" way and have no hang ups enjoying mongering to its full.

There are a new breed of younger girls who "expect" everything, they expect to go to top restaurants and order too much food, they expect you to take them to Q bar or Bedsupper club or Silom for clubbing, and pay all their drinks, they expect you to pay for any girlfriends who tag along. These girls are worse than the working girls.

Today I had a new one lined up, but she wanted to bring 2 girlfriends on the meet and go clubbing all together. Told her sorry, if she wants to meet up then dinner is fine, if she expects me to pay for her friends for a night out clubbing she can FO (well, not those words but a sugar coated version).

Some farang are just soft touches and think they are "not paying for sex" by buying these girls lots of presents and paying for their nights out, and so the girls just work on the freebies they can get out of these "stupid farang" which is what they call these guys when talking with their friends.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Anyone else notice that thai girls really run up the bill when you take them out for food? And then never say thank you afterwards?

This has happened to me with a non-working girl too. She kept ordering two main dishes for each meal and then not even eating half of them.

Then they wonder why you don't want them as a girlfriend. Girls who blow your money on things they wouldn't need if they were paying are girls to drop sooner rather than later.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Evianist]For those with Happy/Dtac Sim cards, you can extend your sim's validity by 6 months by calling *1013
You can do this twice which gives you one year
Then every time you top up, you get more validity added to the end of that[/QUOTE]
Thanks for this tidbit. It was very valuable. I was so tired of having to get a new number every time I hit Thailand. When I bought the card this time I mentioned the *1013 to the attendant and she had no idea. She said that she always does it on the computer there at the desk. I did, however, forget to go to the desk on my way out of Thailand but I remembered the *1013 when I got in the plane. It was hard to make out what the recording was saying, but I ended up extending 180 days for a deduction of 12 baht. I think there were 60 and 90 day options for less money as well.

[QUOTE=The Pro]There are a new breed of younger girls who "expect" everything, they expect to go to top restaurants and order too much food, they expect you to take them to Q bar or Bedsupper club or Silom for clubbing, and pay all their drinks, they expect you to pay for any girlfriends who tag along. These girls are worse than the working girls.

Today I had a new one lined up, but she wanted to bring 2 girlfriends on the meet and go clubbing all together. Told her sorry, if she wants to meet up then dinner is fine, if she expects me to pay for her friends for a night out clubbing she can FO (well, not those words but a sugar coated version).

Some farang are just soft touches and think they are "not paying for sex" by buying these girls lots of presents and paying for their nights out, and so the girls just work on the freebies they can get out of these "stupid farang" which is what they call these guys when talking with their friends.[/QUOTE]


I somewhat expect this type of behavior from working girls. Extracting money from farang is their job. If I pay for the movies or a couple meals where she spends freely, then I basically just take it out of what I was going to pay her for her time.

What surprised me was when I got it from a real thai girl. One who wanted to be my girlfriend and fall in love and all that. Not only being very loose with the spending when I was paying the bills, but not even saying thank you. Granted, she was really keeping junior happy, but when a girl is very loose with my money then I definitely don't want her to stick around much longer.


I guess maybe if you're a farang, even many of the real thai girls will behave like bargirls towards you.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Thanks for this tidbit. It was very valuable. I was so tired of having to get a new number every time I hit Thailand. When I bought the card this time I mentioned the *1013 to the attendant and she had no idea. She said that she always does it on the computer there at the desk. I did, however, forget to go to the desk on my way out of Thailand but I remembered the *1013 when I got in the plane. It was hard to make out what the recording was saying, but I ended up extending 180 days for a deduction of 12 baht. I think there were 60 and 90 day options for less money as well.[/QUOTE]

It's a great little trick. Remember you can do it more than once too.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Anyone else notice that thai girls really run up the bill when you take them out for food? And then never say thank you afterwards?

This has happened to me with a non-working girl too. She kept ordering two main dishes for each meal and then not even eating half of them.

Then they wonder why you don't want them as a girlfriend. Girls who blow your money on things they wouldn't need if they were paying are girls to drop sooner rather than later.[/QUOTE]I nip this in the bud at the very beginning. Take them out to local Isaan restaurants (which if they are from Isaan they ought to really appreciate) or else other local places that I know that have excellent food and fair prices. If the girls are genuine, they appreciate the fact that a farang is in the know of good places to eat, if they are on the game and just want to use me for an expensive meal, they find out very very fast they won't be getting one. Same goes for clubbing. I don't frequent places like Q Bar or Bed. For what one can spend there on a date you could be home having a threesome with some wonderful obliging cuties.

[QUOTE=Evianist]I somewhat expect this type of behavior from working girls. Extracting money from farang is their job. If I pay for the movies or a couple meals where she spends freely, then I basically just take it out of what I was going to pay her for her time.

What surprised me was when I got it from a real thai girl. One who wanted to be my girlfriend and fall in love and all that. Not only being very loose with the spending when I was paying the bills, but not even saying thank you. Granted, she was really keeping junior happy, but when a girl is very loose with my money then I definitely don't want her to stick around much longer.


I guess maybe if you're a farang, even many of the real thai girls will behave like bargirls towards you.[/QUOTE]

I think that the name of the game is "don't be a pushover." I have known some girls in Thailand (and in some other SE Asian countries) who will have no respect for a guy who does not stand his ground. One non-professional told me that if a guy is like that, she would not want him anyway because if she can push him around and get him to do things like buy dinner for the village or whatever, that means that any girl can boss him around, even if he were in a long term relationship with the first girl.

Any girl who brings all the family or 10 friends on a date and you are expected to pay is either milking you or is really insecure/immature and/or wants to put others in her debt or gain face. I have heard of people having to pay for "friends" of the new girlfriend who were just the relatives of inlaws or neighbors or colleagues who were not close and definitely not real friends - just folks she wanted to impress.

Better to draw the line ahead of time, IMHO - if I suspect I will get a posse on a date, I try to deflect it by saying something about it beforehand. I don't mind one chaperon on the first or second date who is really a good friend of my date and who is there to provide a second opinion or security when your date does not know you very well. I have on occasion allowed two. But any more is not good. I once told a girl on the phone after I saw her in a group of 10 at the intended restaurant where we were to meet for a date (I immediately took off) that I thought I got the wrong night because I could see she was having a party with her friends. She never got the joke!

Start the way you intend to continue - you don't pay for people you have never met before or who you have not invited and make sure she knows that. Boot her out for any infringement at the beginning of your relationship. She will either crawl back and know the score or she would not be worth it anyway as you will be funding small armies or hungry "friends" and much much more for as long as the relationship lasts. In fact, a booting out is good near the beginning as it sets the tone that you are a psychologically strong guy. It is just sometimes it is hard to find a reason with some of them to boot them out!

That said, if you do find one who does not have a platoon of friends that need regular feeding and watering, you will have to be reasonably generous with her - most of them you pay on dates. Over time, you will either agree to marry her or your generosity will have to increase to keep her interested. Invariably she will eventually leave you if you don't marry her unless she is a real exception ( for example, a rich girl who does not want to get married) or you have signed over the house to her. This does not mean she is a bar girl. It is just the way it is in this part of Asia.

[QUOTE=Evianist]I somewhat expect this type of behavior from working girls. Extracting money from farang is their job. If I pay for the movies or a couple meals where she spends freely, then I basically just take it out of what I was going to pay her for her time.

What surprised me was when I got it from a real thai girl. One who wanted to be my girlfriend and fall in love and all that. Not only being very loose with the spending when I was paying the bills, but not even saying thank you. Granted, she was really keeping junior happy, but when a girl is very loose with my money then I definitely don't want her to stick around much longer.


I guess maybe if you're a farang, even many of the real thai girls will behave like bargirls towards you.[/QUOTE]A lot seems to depend on the social class and where they were raised.

A girl coming from a rice farm will sometimes be bedazzeled. (spell?).

They have not learned the value of money and also have not expierence how to control what they now want.

I live in Philippines and go to Bangkok a lot.

I have met and dated and had girlfriends from different walks of life.

Mostly I tend to go for the real naughty ones that just happen to be on the lower economic scale. This is both pay for play and other girls I meet.

My attitude is that I pay all expenses. If they are good and I made an agreement to give them money for their time. Then I just think of it as helping them out and I do hope its a lways a girlfriend expierence.

I do not want to be cheap charlie but still I want to manage my money wisely.

If a girl is reckless. Careless and or thoughtless about spending money I do drop her real fast.

This is how I find the good ones. I let them demonstrate their behaviour.

Its really all an individual choice. But I love the girlfriend expierence and more then happy to help them out. At least until they show they are going to be wasteful.

[QUOTE=The Pro]There are a new breed of younger girls who "expect" everything, they expect to go to top restaurants and order too much food, they expect you to take them to Q bar or Bedsupper club or Silom for clubbing, and pay all their drinks, they expect you to pay for any girlfriends who tag along. These girls are worse than the working girls.[/QUOTE]I think you're right on this. I met a gal at Narz and got lucky that night with her. A few days later she texts me and asks me if I want to hang out so I say sure, give me 45 minutes. She says she is on Soi 11 at "Best Club". I ask her you sure that's the name? She says yeah, So I'm in shorts and a T and walk down to Soi 11 from my condo. I'm looking all around for this Best Club. I call her and she says its a dome. So I know she meant Bed Supperclub. I meet her, go back to my place to throw on some jeans, come back, and then we get to the front door and she expects me to pay her way in. I made her go to an ATM machine, then my mood soured, and told her my stomach had pain.

I then went to Soi 33 for some relaxation at massage place.

Another strange thing happened was I took a girl to Siam Ocean World, I didn't know it would be expensive but I didn't mind. It went ok, but her English was not so good. A few days later she invited me to dinner, I wasn't really excited, but the thought of a Thai girl inviting me to dinner sparked my curiosity. On the day of the dinner date, she called me 5 minutes before hand and had to cancel LOL.

Going to California Wow, for some reason I thought it closed at midnight, I got there at exactly 10: 58 PM, the girl at the front desk gave me a strange look, and I thought maybe her day was not going well. I go downstairs to pump some iron and the lights go off and everybody is leaving. So I think no wonder the girl gave me strange look. She could have at least tried to tell me they close in 2 minutes LOL

[QUOTE=Simian]I think that the name of the game is "don't be a pushover." I have known some girls in Thailand (and in some other SE Asian countries) who will have no respect for a guy who does not stand his ground. One non-professional told me that if a guy is like that, she would not want him anyway because if she can push him around and get him to do things like buy dinner for the village or whatever, that means that any girl can boss him around, even if he were in a long term relationship with the first girl.[/QUOTE]

If I feel like I have to really keep my guard up and worry about standing my ground, then I'm usually not relaxed or enjoying myself.

I let the girl get away with it once, and then I just don't see her anymore. So she might get a big lavish dinner one night, but then she loses a good regular customer and has to go back to her bar and stand on stage all night hoping someone will take her.

I don't want to fight a psychological battle. Where's the pleasure in that?

Hi,

I am due to arrive in Bangkok on Mon. The 22nd, and I am trying to find out how practical mongering there is going to B. I will be staying at The Dynasty Grande for a couple days, then off to Pattaya. Does anyone have any info on the conditions in the mongering areas? Should I just skip Bangkok and go straight to Pattaya from the airport? It looks a little messy on the news reports.

Thanks for any info and advice.

Socker

[QUOTE=Patterson]Evianist

They are liberty taking race off ppl whats there is there whats everybody elses is everybodys LOL

I wouldnt stand for it anymore slyest race off ppl on the planet :D also not educated like ppl from the west !!![/QUOTE]Well given your illiteracy, they are not missing out too much on a fancy western education eh?

See, the only Thai people that losers like you meet are the ones have such a low opinion of westerners because they think they are all lke you. That's why they take them for all they can. there's no fool like a sad old fool.

after all, you get great value here - where else can you shag someone 3-4 times over 12 hours for £20. what does it matter if you have to spend an extra few quid to feed them up after, kick back and enjoy the food tight wads.

anyway i was there last week, caught up with my 'free' thai girlfriend, cost me 1200 baht in petrol, 2000 on fancy restaurants and the cherry on the cake, a 13000 baht blackberry. if you can't afford it, don't go!

[QUOTE=Kumbu]Overall, I don't think I would pursue a 'real' girl unless she was just absolutely drop-dead once-in-a-lifetime gorgeous. I think the working girls are very sexy. You can find a super sexy girl with just a little patience. And perhaps more importantly, working girls don't come with the same kinds of social and emotional complications. That's my two bits.[/QUOTE]yeah, but it's not one thing or another is it? The main reason we're all in BKK is the world-class mongering, but the great thing about this place is that you can go out on the pull and punch well above your weight, and let's face it if you can pull some local honey without having to pay (ok, I know the drinks and meals etc. End up costing more than the 1000 fee) then that's a great feeling too.

And you can combine the two for extra thrills; last week the local GF is at work and gets back to my soi 11 hotel at 6pm, so I'm in my room between 4 and 5 analing some beer garden freelancer. Just chucked my muck and pushing her out the door when the phone rings from reception with the GF waiting in reception. The 2 of them must have passed in the lobby! I was thrilled, at home you; the be terrified. Why is that?

Are the protest having a negative effect on the mongering activities, I am arriving on Mon the 22nd and am concern from what I see on the news, it looks like a mess. Should I skip Bangkok and go straight to Pattaya?

Thanks for any info and advice. Socker

[QUOTE=Socker]Are the protest having a negative effect on the mongering activities, I am arriving on Mon the 22nd and am concern from what I see on the news, it looks like a mess. Should I skip Bangkok and go straight to Pattaya?

Thanks for any info and advice. Socker[/QUOTE]

I just left Bangkok this morning. Up until now there has been no real impact. yesterday afternoon the red shirts did block up Sukhumvit for a bit, but it was more a photo opportunity for tourists than an inconvenience.

Near the airport though I did notice a lot of police presence and roadblocks going up. Overall though the demonstrations seem to be losing steam, so I wouldn't worry too much

[B]Part 1[/B]

I was inspired to go over to Chinatown & check the area discussed out. here are my findings.

I took the MRT from Sukhumvit asoke to Hua Lamphong (27 baht one way) & arrived around 5pm. from the MRT take either exit 1 or 4 & keeping the train station to your right, walk over the Canal Road.

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Once over the canal you have a couple of options.

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I walked up Maitri Chit Road, just up on the left is the Cleopatra.

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The first group of females I encountered were at the intersection between Maitri Chit & Phantha Chit. the second group were further up at the intersection with Trok Makham 2. I was offered [I]sucking & fucking[/I] by three fenales, prices ranged from 200-500 baht & ages 18-45 ish.

At the top of Maitri Chit road is the 22 Circle.

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At the circle I went left down Mit Phan Road walking towards Chareon Krung Road. I passed the Tai Pei Hotel. Some females hanging around nearby on bothsides of the road.

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Further down mit phan road on the right is a 7-11, again females hanging around outside.

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[B]to be continued...[/B]

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[B]Part 2[/B]

At the cross roads I carried on straight down Song Sawat Road to the intersection with Yaowarat Road, then I turned right. Over on the left was the Chinatown Hotel.

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Directly opposite the hotel is Yaowarat 2 (a small alley way) which is home to the Texas Cafe & Massage. I went in the Texas and saw a couple of sideliners & a couple of fishbowl girls. None took my fancy. A few hookers hanging around outside offerring sex for 500 baht.

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I carried along Yaowarat Road and came to Phadung Road, walking up this road takes you to the market & bus stop area, where hookers ply their trade along Chareon Krung Road.

Looking up Phadung Road.

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Seafood places at the Yaowarat Road end of Phadung Road.

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Further along Yaowarat Road is the White Orchid Hotel.

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The alley ways that are bordered by Chareon Krung, Song Sawat, Yaowarat & Phadung Roads are a source of freelance females. Many sit at the bottom of stairwells waiting for passing trade. One of the alley way entrances in Chareon Krung Road.

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The alley ways behind Chareon Krung & Mit Phan Roads are also a source of freelance females.

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[b]part 3[/b]

I ended up back in Maitri Chit Road & picked up a white Chinese looking girl with good sided tits who took me to a s/t hotel in Trok Makham 2. She cost 500 (originally wanted 800) & the room was 100. She wasn't much of a performer, no photos, no kissing, wouldn't let me poke my fingers in her holes, only provided a covered BJ, but she did get in the positions I wanted & provide the condon. No tip given. She thanked me afterwards & we parted company.

I'll go back & try again this weekend.

[B]the end...[/B]

A buddy and I recently checked out Pegasus on Soi23.

The place is extremely luxurious. I would say the deco is overdone, everything is gold etc. More Chinese decoration style then Thai or Farang style.

They have a so-so band which sings Thai and Chinese and occasionally English ballads. Apart from us all other customers were well to do Asians, but we didnt feel unwelcome at all.

The whole experience turned out rather pricey.

As non-member the entrence fee is 900 bath, which includes one drink.
The girls are rather good looking, well groomed and know how to entertain their customers.

Ladydrinks are, depending on the level of the girl, about 1500 bath, for which she sits with you about 45 minutes.
A beer is another couple of hundred.

Barfines are 3000 for the bar and 3000 for the girls for shorttime. Not all but most girls are barfinable. Longtime is 6000.

My friend and I spend about 2 hours there and each barfined a girl.
All in all we both spend about 10.000 each.

My girl was a nice tall student from Chiang Mai with rather good English. She wasn't bad in the sack but not outstanding either. She was however very keen to make the shorttime as short as possible. and rushed back out after 45 minutes.

Would I return? No. Without being a cheap Charly, 10.000 is too high. For the price you can have one or two Penhouse girls in one of the Ratchada MPs.

If you look for a nice, discrete place to take your Boss or your business partner, then it might be for you.

[QUOTE=Dobinator1]I just left Bangkok this morning. Up until now there has been no real impact. yesterday afternoon the red shirts did block up Sukhumvit for a bit, but it was more a photo opportunity for tourists than an inconvenience.

Near the airport though I did notice a lot of police presence and roadblocks going up. Overall though the demonstrations seem to be losing steam, so I wouldn't worry too much[/QUOTE]That's what I thought, but there is very little chatter about the protesting on the mongering boards, so all I had was the BBC news. Thanks for the info. Helps a lot. Socker

[QUOTE=Salonkitty]I was inspired to go over to Chinatown & check the area discussed out. here are my findings.[/QUOTE]Nice report. Thanks. Will have to check it out for something different, off the beaten track (at least MY beaten track).

In contrast to the old men who push themselves all over young bargirls who clearly aren't enjoying it, I'd like to commend the older men I see walking around with pleasant looking 35ish year old women.

They always look happy and comfortable together.

[QUOTE=Socker]That's what I thought, but there is very little chatter about the protesting on the mongering boards, so all I had was the BBC news. Thanks for the info. Helps a lot. Socker[/QUOTE]

Only issue I have found is with taxi rides taking a bit longer, as today, having to go bypass certain roads. No other problems. I wouldn't let the media reports put any one off. Bangkok is doing just fine,

Stayed at LL and 33 was shut down for awhile the other day, caught a moto just a bit away. Hotel seemed reasonably busy, so I don't think the news is affecting their business at all.

Off to Phuket in the morning and then a sail to Langkawi.

[QUOTE=Salonkitty][b]part 3[/b]
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Any chance of taking a shot that includes any of the girls? Not sure how interesting/useful it is to look at one photo after another of ordinary street scenes.

[QUOTE=Socker]Are the protest having a negative effect on the mongering activities[/QUOTE]As reported, streets can get a little congested. But that's why they made the skytrain and the subway.

Just tonight, had to go from Sukhumvit Soi 65 over to near Patpong, by taxi. Only on Rama IV did I see any signs of Red Shirts (first time) - a few pickups driving along with riders in the back, and some clusters of people on the sidewalk, cheering. But it seemed a red shirt "marshal" cleared a path in a cluster when the taxi wanted to turn into a small soi shortcut.

Bars are open, hotels open, MP's open, shops open, MBK open, skytrain packed, Pantip crowded...

Leave it to the taxi drivers to know how to go...

[QUOTE=Evianist]In contrast to the old men who push themselves all over young bargirls who clearly aren't enjoying it, I'd like to commend the older men I see walking around with pleasant looking 35ish year old women...They always look happy and comfortable together.[/QUOTE] I guess it comes down to what you consider older. While we're at it, I'd say a young guy might learn a lot from an older Thai woman, say 36-49. Plenty of good looking cougar ladies out there looking for a young stud. Maybe a love lesson at the hands of a tight-bodied, lusty Thai [i]woman[/i] would do all of us a little good?

Just know that in the mind of a bar girl, it's money before age every time. What she says on her face is rarely what she is thinking. Sure they like good-looking young men, but the desired "tip" will still be the same as the 55 year old they went with ST earlier in the evening. Normally, even if they profess to [i]love[/i] you, they'll almost always go with the most lucrative "customer" in the end.

I was at Bossy Club early this morning having a great time with my GF and a couple of sexy go-go dancers. All around us were young men with stupid looks on their faces and apparently no game. Most of them looked pretty drunk and were sloppily dressed. Not the way to impress a Thai woman of any age. Needless to say, the go-go girls were definitely looking past the [i]boys[/i] for a proper payday.

New Sahara club in Soi Cowboy is upping it to 700 for a barfine. 800 if you take the girl during happy hour.

Coyote girl ladydrinks are 200 bhat.

They just took a bunch of the girls from the nearby clubs. Nothing special.


Inside is nice, but with their prices I probably won't bother going again. No need to contribute to price inflation.

Is it unusual for a Thai girl, not associated with the flesh trade, to be virgin? I regularly chat with a girl from DAI, very nice face with a pleasant eyes and smile, nice shape, very friendly girl. I think she's 26 and she hinted towards being a virgin. Although I take everything with a grain of salt these days. I've mostly associated with girls from night clubs and bar girls. Not much experience with "good" girls

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano]Is it unusual for a Thai girl, not associated with the flesh trade, to be virgin? I regularly chat with a girl from DAI, very nice face with a pleasant eyes and smile, nice shape, very friendly girl. I think she's 26 and she hinted towards being a virgin...[/QUOTE]

In the "real" world, many girls (according to my own experience, I would say most of the "real non-P4P" girls) will pop their cherry only after marriage. Not sure how many "real non-P4P" girls are available on DAI, but you can meet a lot of "good girls" once you've left the P4P venues... especially if you can speak some Thai.

I've been chased more than once by real virgins from the Thai middle-class, that have a regular job and who are cute, smart, with a pleasant personality. They were raised very traditionally and you usually won't have sex with them until you've met their family and made arrangements for the wedding (including paying the "sin sot", so, they are also P4P girls, at the end of the day, when you think about it!). Funny enough, some of them can give head like a pro, but it's all that you may get in the best cases (and usually nothing sexual prior marriage in most).

[QUOTE=Goyave]In the "real" world, many girls (according to my own experience, I would say most of the "real non-P4P" girls) will pop their cherry only after marriage. Not sure how many "real non-P4P" girls are available on DAI, but you can meet a lot of "good girls" once you've left the P4P venues... especially if you can speak some Thai. [/QUOTE]

How many years ago was that?

In my experience, many (if not most) of the young girls today (regardless of class) are very curious and very daring to try and have sex in university (some even have it before). I work in a business that has over 1000 employees, few are married but the rest, we were all joking about whether we could still find a virgin in there.

Thai girls of this century are different than the ones of the last, thankfully for us, they like to fuck :)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]How many years ago was that?

In my experience, many (if not most) of the young girls today (regardless of class) are very curious and very daring to try and have sex in university (some even have it before). I work in a business that has over 1000 employees, few are married but the rest, we were all joking about whether we could still find a virgin in there.

Thai girls of this century are different than the ones of the last, thankfully for us, they like to fuck :)[/QUOTE]

Any job openings?

LBM

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]How many years ago was that?
...[/QUOTE]

Still true nowadays...

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]...Thai girls of this century are different than the ones of the last, thankfully for us, they like to fuck :)[/QUOTE]

Of course, many Thai girls have sex before marriage, but the situation is probably a bit different in Bangkok than in middle provincial towns. Frankly, many members of this board would be amazed to see how many very attractive women in their mid-twenties (and sometimes even older than that) are still virgins upcountry.

By the way, many university students are not much different than semi-pros (they are not "real non-P4P girls" for me). You can meet a lot of these kind: they will fuck with almost anybody (Thai or Farang) who can offer them trendy clothes, a new mobile phone, or even (help them to) pay their tuition fee or appartment/room rental, for instance. It's just prostitution in disguise, IMHO. However, many university student girls don't act like this and are still virgins at the end of their schooling, especially in middle provincial towns, even nowadays.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Any chance of taking a shot that includes any of the girls? Not sure how interesting/useful it is to look at one photo after another of ordinary street scenes.[/QUOTE]It's useful from the perspective of navigating your way around the area, e.g useful landmarks & places of note where the girls hangout. I did include additional links but they were omitted by the powers that be here. Hey ho!

Let's try a more conservative image & see if the censors here approve. :)

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[QUOTE=Goyave]they will fuck with almost anybody (Thai or Farang) who can offer them trendy clothes, a new mobile phone, or even (help them to) pay their tuition fee or appartment/room rental, for instance.[/QUOTE]

Yes, this is very true and I can confirm that.
I went out with 2 uni students (long Story), one was ok but the other really pushed to get the iPhone... I told her that for an iPhone she would need to do anything I want. She looked at me as if everything was cool and said yes. When I ask if that included anal sex, she said no, but everything else was on offer... a 27,000 fuck? no thanks, I passed.

I am trying to book a room in Bangkok for the first time.

May you tell me where.which part of Bangkok- I have to book my room to be close to action places? Soi 4 may be?

Thanks

[quote=nicfrenchy][post=997406]massage parlors :traditional thai massage[/post][/quote]nic, as a fan of thai massage, i really appreciate your [post=997406]report on traditional thai massage[/post]. a few comments specifically about [b]therapeutic massage shops[/b], as opposed to the places that focus on sexual services.

[b]prices vary.[/b] last night i had first-rate massage 2 hours for 350 thb on soi 20. the lady was 36 and weighs 70 kg - which makes her perfect for a strong therapeutic massage. it was one of the best massages ever for me. in chinatown you may find even lower prices, especially in a place that does not offer services. i have also seen 2 hours for 500 baht or more in a regular shop, usually not better. generally quality has little or nothing to do with the price, and more to do with age and looks of the masseuse.

[b]one or two hours?[/b] if i don't know the lady, i ask a few questions first (can you give strong massage? is key), then go for one hour. if she is good, it will be obvious quickly, and (unless it's near closing) you can always ask to make it 2 hours instead. but do that early on, as 2 hours is a different routine.

[b]quality[/b] most masseuses give worthwhile massages, unless they are there more to give other services, in which case they may not have had therapeutic massage training. some are truly talented. older, plain-looking masseuses tend to be more talented for therapeutic than attractive younger women... they have to be, to stay employed.

[b]outcall[/b] most of the time a lady can do the massage in your hotel, usually at a somewhat higher price. this can also change availability of other services (see next paragraph). i prefer to go to the shop, as the shop is set up better for therapeutic massage.

[b]service availability varies.[/b] some places do not offer any services, not even he - or if they do, they are not supposed to. the aforementioned 36 yo thoroughly massaged me all over except dick and balls - even though dick obviously needed massage. she noticed and we discussed, but she said more than once cannot do he in this place. otherwise she was very nice and affectionate.

imo the quality of therapeutic massage is always better in places that do not offer services. otoh women who are good with therapeutic massage usually excel in pleasing a man with her hands, too. i go to one shop for therapeutic, and another for services. some places (e.g. tulip) mostly do not offer any massage, only services... in which they excel. there are places (e.g. naree on soi 4/nana) that do well with both massage and services.

[b]shower etc[/b] many places will let you take a shower for free if you ask ("ahb nahm dai mai?") and this is great if you're hot, sweaty, etc. to ask for toilet say "hong nahm (you tee nai)?". they may understand these requests in english, too. one time i arrived drenched from a sudden downpour - they hung my clothes to dry while i was getting a massage.

sometimes when exploring chinatown, a shower and massage is a great way to cool down and rest, recharging me for more exploration. of course cheap sex in chinatown (300-600 baht) serves a dual purpose, too.

[b]tipping.[/b] (this applies to a massage without services.) the masseuse gets a lot less than half of the house fee, so you should you should always tip her even if she offers no service. a good amount for decent quality massage is about 100 baht for one hour, 200 baht for 2 hours, more or less depending on quality.

if you pay for services (he bj fs etc), the tip for such service (e.g. 500 of he) is the tip for the whole session, no more is expected. for services, the expected amount of tip varies depending on age and attractiveness of the provider. for example fs with an older woman should cost less than with a young attractive lady (1500 baht), even though the older woman may be better at it.

[b]etc[/b] talk to her about whatever problems your body has. she may have knowledge and techniques that could improve your ailment.

if you find an especially good one, tip her well and keep going back to her. she will learn more about what your body needs and take care of you... as well as deeply appreciate your returning business. get her phone number to make sure she is ready when you visit.

remember, prices here are 10% or less of therapeutic massage in us and europe. here you can afford to go every day if you like! ...and its even cheaper, by about half, in laos.

The cons with Uni Girls is you need time to nuture them (not for tourists) and once they get spoilt by silly farangs or rich Thai's then their value for money goes out the window.

Best to get them when fresh and newbie. I have a couple at the moment and its 1500 baht for 3 hours fun with them all, this is the standard payment I agree with them. It is easier for me as I speak Thai and by that they will treat me less like a walking ATM (a little less).

They all tell me some farang pay them 3000 short time, some 2000 baht......but they know from the off they will get 1500 baht and a good time with me, which is what keeps them coming back.

At a young age they will overlook money for sheer enjoyment, and provided you make them cum a few times they will be happy to accept a little less cash for some fun in return.

Its only as they get older that money becomes the pure driver of the transactions - but by that time I have moved on to fresh newbies :)

If they do not accept 1500 baht for a few hours fun then they are spoilt already, very simple way of testing how far gone they are.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Yes, this is very true and I can confirm that.
I went out with 2 uni students (long Story), one was ok but the other really pushed to get the iPhone... I told her that for an iPhone she would need to do anything I want. She looked at me as if everything was cool and said yes. When I ask if that included anal sex, she said no, but everything else was on offer... a 27,000 fuck? no thanks, I passed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]I am trying to book a room in Bangkok for the first time.

May you tell me where.which part of Bangkok- I have to book my room to be close to action places? Soi 4 may be?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Hi Toptraveler,

On my last trip I stayed at Citadines Sukhumvit 11. Excellent hotel and GF.

On my first trip to BKK I stayed at Livingstones Lodge. This was a perfect hotel for the first timer. The advice I got from the team at the hotel there saved me a lot of wasted time and money. Nice ladies in the sports bar as well if you don't want to venture out.

Boater Boy

[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]I am trying to book a room in Bangkok for the first time.

May you tell me where.which part of Bangkok- I have to book my room to be close to action places? Soi 4 may be?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Try the "Bangkok Hotels" thread.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1029[/url]

Soi 4 or Soi 6 is a good location for newbies.

I would suggest the [url]http://www.dynastygrande.com/[/url] hotel as a good starter place.

[quote=boater boy]
on my first trip to bkk i stayed at livingstones lodge. this was a perfect hotel for the first timer. the advice i got from the team at the hotel there saved me a lot of wasted time and money. nice ladies in the sports bar as well if you don't want to venture out.
[/quote]

ok so the sports bar is useful for people who don't want to venture out, though why someone would want to travel all the way to bangkok only to stay inside the grounds of their hotel strikes me as pretty odd.

[b]can you give an example of the specific kind of info given out at ll that would save you wasted time and money? [/b]

i often see this kind of comment about this place, always in these kinds of general/vague terms, but just wonder what they could be advising that might be considered valuable. it's a bit like advising people how they can best enjoy a rollercoaster.

to me, it seems like if you take a quick stroll in any direction in the sukhumvit area, you're gonna have a hard time avoiding places where action is. and it's not like there's places rep001tered around that are going to prey on newcomers, more like the opposite. i mean, ok, avoid the taxi touts tryign to usher you to massage places... but is that piece of pretty obvious info worth staying a bit far from the action for?

[QUOTE=Wendella][b]Can you give an example of the specific kind of info given out at LL that would save you wasted time and money? [/b][/QUOTE]

Actually, you can just save money by meeting members there. Many things we do not write on the forum and keep for ourselves, but, when meeting a member in the flesh, we are willing to share that info.

Which Parlor offers the best selection? who is performing well? which place to go for specific things... and also which ladies provide over and above the call of duty (without charging or asking for tips).

If you are on holidays for a few nights, you do not want to "try your luck" too much, you want to know exactly where to go and who to meet so that you maximize your SOGs (unless you fuck 14 times a day like the Rabbit)

So what you are saying is that you do not write accurate informaiton on here, you keep it all to yourselves and have a little buddies meeting at LL, then come on to ISG and hype up LL to get customers for their rooms?

Which parlour offers the best service. Thats easy, Tulip, Mango and Snow White.

Best selection. Go to Ratchada to the big massage places.

Performing well. Tulip, Mango, Snow White. Say no more.

I would be very suspect of information given "in the flesh" and not given on the forum. Perhaps they are trying to get you to go to certain places as they get kick backs from mamasan and the owner?

Yet more "marketing" of LL. Go there and get "secret informaiton"

LOL

Its utter nonsense and of course, perhaps you can see why I have to point out the nonsense otherwise the gang of LL "friends" would have you doing Bangkok only their way, in their "friends" places and probably earning them a few freebies in the process.

LOL

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Actually, you can just save money by meeting members there. Many things we do not write on the forum and keep for ourselves, but, when meeting a member in the flesh, we are willing to share that info.

Which Parlor offers the best selection? who is performing well? which place to go for specific things... and also which ladies provide over and above the call of duty (without charging or asking for tips).

If you are on holidays for a few nights, you do not want to "try your luck" too much, you want to know exactly where to go and who to meet so that you maximize your SOGs (unless you fuck 14 times a day like the Rabbit)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Actually, you can just save money by meeting members there. Many things we do not write on the forum and keep for ourselves, but, when meeting a member in the flesh, we are willing to share that info.

Which Parlor offers the best selection? who is performing well? which place to go for specific things... and also which ladies provide over and above the call of duty (without charging or asking for tips).

If you are on holidays for a few nights, you do not want to "try your luck" too much, you want to know exactly where to go and who to meet so that you maximize your SOGs (unless you fuck 14 times a day like the Rabbit)[/QUOTE]

But we were talking about a typical newbie. So you would say you would recommend it not for the typical newbie who wants to have his own adventure, head out and explore on his own, but more for the newbie who has very limited time and doesn't want to go out and take any chances, wants sure things only. So more the type of guy who wants to go meet a sure thing that a guy he met at LL had already had in the past. Hm. I'm not sure I'd ever want to seek out that kind of advice. Takes much of the appeal away when you have met the guy who did her before, and he talks about it.

And you're saying that there are regular members here who are usually there at LL most nights.... and that they prefer to keep good info off the forum?

[QUOTE=Wendella]
And you're saying that there are regular members here who are usually there at LL most nights.... and that they prefer to keep good info off the forum?[/QUOTE]

You raise a very good question that deserves a reply.

The short version is yes. LL's name might come up more often....because Giotto has own sub-forum.

The longer version is this happens just not at LL but other 'hang-outs', and not just in LOS. For instance, if a group of guys get together at the Beergarten or Thermae, same banter occurs. When guys meet up in say Beijing (Maggie's) or Shanghai (old Tong Ru Lu bars), same.

I, for one, wish folks would provide more info on-line. But some of the sub-forums have a distinct sub-culture to them,eg, Malaysia (always worried about the 'men in black') and your favorite haunt, Vietnam!.

In fact, I remember distinctly a recent exchange (of which I was involved) where a few vehemently argued that it was not '[b]safe[/b]' to share/provide good info on the forum. [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=975622&postcount=317[/url]

If I quoted you out of context, my apologies. :D

[QUOTE=Wendella]So you would say you would recommend it not for the typical newbie who wants to have his own adventure, head out and explore on his own, but more for the newbie who has very limited time and doesn't want to go out and take any chances, wants sure things only.[/QUOTE]IMHO, there are several types of newbies, or even "not newbies", who fall into the 2 basic categories mentioned: the 'adventurer', who goes out on his own with some advice garnered here, and the 'guided tour' type, who wants to be led around, not picking out his own, but seeking out the 'tried and true' recommendations of others.

Perhaps not exactly on this thread, but check most others, and there are constant [u]posts[/u] of "send me her contact details", even the skill of a PM being somewhat of a lost art.

For me, the recommendation of a place and a girl sufficient, I'll go see if I can find her myself, evaluate her appeal [u]to me[/u], and act accordingly. And if I can't find her, well, in most venues anywhere, there's more than 1 provider. And other venues...

But that's just me.

I happen to stay at the Royal President, Soi 15, as I like their serviced apt layout, with the large fridge, and large room, because I do spend more time in the room than probably most, given that I'm also here to relax and I've seen most of the tourist sights that interest me.

But it does take all types. I've never stayed at LL, so can't speak specifically about it. Given it's still in business, must be doing something right.

It's just one of many possibilities... To each his own

[QUOTE=Wendella]And you're saying that there are regular members here who are usually there at LL most nights.... and that they prefer to keep good info off the forum?[/QUOTE]

Don't put words in my mouth. No I did not say that but I implied that if you choose to stay @ LL, chances are you will bump into an ISG member.

People can read all they want in the forum, but writing is a little tiring, especially for people like us (English being my 3rd language) so the experiences are shortened, some info is voluntarily left out.

If I have a FAV somewhere, I am not likely to post her name anywhere on ISG... because if I do, then I might kiss her goodbye as she will be booked solid for the next few months (yes, ISG has that power).

Now can you tell me of a place where you can go, have a drink and freely talk about your Hobby? As ISG members, we are all in some way attracted to pussy, but staying at a regular hotel, can you really discuss this? and if yes, with who?

@ LL, you will surely bump into Fellow ISG members, junior or senior, but that always lead to some great conversations and you can get great insight on some places that few would visit (see my post on the smaller Cowboy bars for example).

Most ISG tourists come to LOS for sex and I, for one think this is very important that they stay somewhere where they will be "understood" and even encouraged to discuss their hobby.

Some might disagree, but to each their own.

By the way, where are the Pro and TT ? are these shit disturbers dead or what? we talk about LL for 3 posts in a row and these guys have not showed up yet? what the fuck? is this forum really changing? (for the better... LOL)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]@ LL, you will surely bump into Fellow ISG members, junior or senior[/QUOTE]Is it the isg secret handshake that's the identifier, or did I miss out AGAIN on the t-shirt give-away... :)

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]You raise a very good question that deserves a reply.[/quote]Replied to you in PM on this. "Safe" in that other thread was about trying to avoid the place being shut down by police in that locatoin, which happens a lot there. Not sure if that came across in the thread or not. But even if "safe" means not overrun and prices driven up, I can understand. I think the "home" they're referring to is another thread, not the Bangkok one here.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Don't put words in my mouth.[/QUOTE]

Sorry... was just getting confused, now I see you were chiming in with your own different viewpoint than what the first guy was saying.

And yeah, so as not to have it turn into what you refer to, I'll say the rest in PM.

But what you say clarifies a bit, can definitely see the attraction for some to wanna participate in sth like that. Still wouldn't be too into it myself, personally, but can understand how many would.

All,

Before we spread discussions about Livingstone's to all other threads of the Thailand forum some clarifications on the issues below:

- Livingstone's has some customers reading the ISG. Usually 2 or 3 are staying here at the Lodge. Sometimes - especially on weekends - more ISG guys come to the Sports Lounge.

- If ISG members are here, and I am aware of it, and I see those guys - I introduce them with the remark: "You have the same hobby". I do not mention user names or the forum. I leave it to those members whether they can get along with each other or not.

- There are no regular members here "most nights". Most nights the only ISG member who is here - is me :) .

- As for exchanged information: I never mention names of providers in the forum, because I know what happens if I do. Here - at my desk, talking to my customers - I sometimes mention specific providers, IF I THINK IT COULD FIT.

- Newbies: There is a maximum of 1 newbie a month arriving here at Livingstones. He will be briefed when he arrives and he talks to me. We have much more returning customers than newbies here at the Lodge.

- The advice I give to our guests has definitely not much to do with Livingstone's. I mention the good hostess bars in Soi 33 as well as other good places in the other red light districts. I try to give honest advice, that's basically it.

- I don't know whether we saved our customers money in the past, but if we see them being ripped-off we will intervene - of course. And we will give them the advice to buy gems/clothes/etc. in the cheaper places we know.

- It is possible that we saved some customers some time - I sometimes draw maps to give the customers an overview where the places are he could be interested in :). I think that saves time ...

Now - there are more important things in life than Livingstone's and the ISG. And there are some people here who take things way to serious.

Bottom Line: We are running a hotel in Bangkok. We try to provide the best service for our customers, including the best advice we can give. But: This is NOT the ISG Hotel Bangkok!

And: We do not rip-off anybody!


Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]

[QUOTE=Giotto]All,

Before we spread discussions about Livingstone's to all other threads of the Thailand forum some clarifications on the issues below:

- Livingstone's has some customers reading the ISG. Usually 2 or 3 are staying here at the Lodge. Sometimes - especially on weekends - more ISG guys come to the Sports Lounge.

- If ISG members are here, and I am aware of it, and I see those guys - I introduce them with the remark: "You have the same hobby". I do not mention user names or the forum. I leave it to those members whether they can get along with each other or not.

- There are no regular members here "most nights". Most nights the only ISG member who is here - is me :) .

- As for exchanged information: I never mention names of providers in the forum, because I know what happens if I do. Here - at my desk, talking to my customers - I sometimes mention specific providers, IF I THINK IT COULD FIT.

- Newbies: There is a maximum of 1 newbie a month arriving here at Livingstones. He will be briefed when he arrives and he talks to me. We have much more returning customers than newbies here at the Lodge.

- The advice I give to our guests has definitely not much to do with Livingstone's. I mention the good hostess bars in Soi 33 as well as other good places in the other red light districts. I try to give honest advice, that's basically it.

- I don't know whether we saved our customers money in the past, but if we see them being ripped-off we will intervene - of course. And we will give them the advice to buy gems/clothes/etc. in the cheaper places we know.

- It is possible that we saved some customers some time - I sometimes draw maps to give the customers an overview where the places are he could be interested in :). I think that saves time ...

Now - there are more important things in life than Livingstone's and the ISG. And there are some people here who take things way to serious.

Bottom Line: We are running a hotel in Bangkok. We try to provide the best service for our customers, including the best advice we can give. But: This is NOT the ISG Hotel Bangkok!

And: We do not rip-off anybody!


Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL][/QUOTE]Stayed there a couple of times and can confirm what Giotto says. Even if i never had a longer chat with him, but only with Guido.

Mike

P.S. thanks for the service and openness

[QUOTE=Giotto]All, Before we spread discussions about Livingstone's to all other threads ......... And: We do not rip-off anybody!
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL][/QUOTE]

LL is a great place and worth every Baht. I will be there next week again - although only for 1 night - and I am already looking forward to it..

Cheers from Shanghai,
Shamuc

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Don't put words in my mouth. No I did not say that but I implied that if you choose to stay @ LL, chances are you will bump into an ISG member.

Now can you tell me of a place where you can go, have a drink and freely talk about your Hobby? As ISG members, we are all in some way attracted to pussy, but staying at a regular hotel, can you really discuss this? and if yes, with who?

By the way, where are the Pro and TT ? are these shit disturbers dead or what? we talk about LL for 3 posts in a row and these guys have not showed up yet? what the fuck? is this forum really changing? (for the better... LOL)[/QUOTE]Agree, even "stole" a bg from LL but still got good advice from Herr Giotto. Stopped by a couple of months ago, had dinner at the pool. Food was great, saw Herr Giotto holding court.

Mike

Hi guys.

If I'm able to make between 4k-5k USD per month, will i be able to make a decent living in Bangkok? I just like to have a nice condo and be able to relax, eat good foods, and have fun with the girls.. im simple lol

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano]Hi guys.

If I'm able to make between 4k-5k USD per month, will i be able to make a decent living in Bangkok? I just like to have a nice condo and be able to relax, eat good foods, and have fun with the girls.. im simple lol[/QUOTE]
I think you can
You probably have to be careful on not being too handsome with the girls and get many wifes:)

Third trip to BBK, and not too much has changed in 4 years!

After taking limo from Airport (BMW 7-Series for 2, 200Bht), settled in a the Grand Sukhumvit on Soi 6, but it really might as well be on Soi 4 as it is SO close to the NEP on 4. Unfortunately they did insist on charging me for a full extra night even though my arrival was at 5am. Was hoping for more of a break. 500Bht for Internet seems excesive and I will probably try somewhere else next time, but a nice hotel none the less. Used theor web site to book so I could upgrade the room. Problem with wholesalers is that you always get the smallest room, and not necessarily for ay less than booking direct.

Culd not help my self and headed right ot to start the fun. Fund a very beautiful girl, and got half way back to the hotel before realizing was a LB. Why do they often look the best! So. Had to chase that one away.

Next day headed to Teen Massage on Soi 24/1 about 1pm, had an OK time, but I think I would have rather tried one of the oter ones. Rooms very ugly and not all that clean.

By 7pm not sure I was ready to go again but was near Soi Cowboy so decided to stop in at Bacaraca. What luck! Almost immediately spotted two beautiful young ones just size (short, small breasts and very thin). I picked them out in part because they were having fun with each other, and seemed to have the most energy on the upstairs dance floor in spite of a small crowd. This has always been a good approach for me, to look for those that seem to have the most interest and enthusasism. Some of them are SO not into what they are doing. Not that I can blame them, must be tough to keep up energy level hour after hour. Anyway, invited them for a drink and they almost immediately proposed. And off to my hotel room we were! Fa and Be were their names. Love those school girl outfits. BF 600Bht and 1, 500Bht for ST each. Very fun and willing, and although probably not exactly bi-sexual, they made the moves necessary to make it a very enjoyable few hours.

I gave Fa my card on the way out, and told her I wanted her to call me the next day and cme spend the night with me. Did it on the side so as to not offend the second girl. Fa was just a bit more pretty and loved her work.

Next day I had arranged with [url]www.escortgirlsbangkok.com[/url] to have Hana come to my room at 9am.

This girl was probably the gem of my trip. Personality, language, beauty. She had it all. She was from Chang Mai and unfortunately was going out of town the next day otherwise I would probably have had her return. Many times.

Later in the day tried Annies for a soappy massage. Never did a soapy on my first two trips. Sad to say, was abit of a dissapointment. Place was just not all that much of a turn on. Again, kind of dirty and very plain. I think I shoudl have gone to the effort to go to Emmanuels or Posidion. Not that I have been to these, but my research seemed to indicate that these had a better quality of service and a little better facilities.

That night, as I said Fa for the night.

Needing a day off, I headed to Siam Paragon for a little shopping, and a movie in one of those great 600bht movie seats. Love them! Also visited my favorite market Pak Khlong Market. Look it up in any guide book. If you like to cook, you will e facinated by being able to walk through the stalls of families processing frest fruits, vegetables and flowers.

Also on one of these earlier days I made a visit to the weekend market to buy silks (they pack so well) for gifts for those at home. I recommend this as a great day out if you are around on a weekend.

For my last night I ordered a duo of Nok and June from [url]www.Bangkokgoldescorts.com[/url]

Wile expensive, I wanted a no hassle experience. Nice Lingeire and toys. A bit mechanical, but a part of that was my fault. Wile I loved the A-level from Nok, June was the beauty of the two. Would absolutely see June again.

And here I sit, working out a girl from one of the services for tmorrow morning 8am just before my flights back!

Over all I was dissapointed in one of my wanders through NEP. Seemed dirtyier and seedier than last time, and far to many Lady Boys. I think I am more of a Soi Cowboy fan. But the debate will always rage back and forth on this form of NEP versus Cowboy. Try them both see what you like! NEP strikes me more of a place to do a lot of drinking, which I do not do.

I like the escort services and had good luck, but to each their own!

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[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano]Hi guys.

If I'm able to make between 4k-5k USD per month, will i be able to make a decent living in Bangkok? I just like to have a nice condo and be able to relax, eat good foods, and have fun with the girls.. im simple lol[/QUOTE]

More than a decent living. 5K USD is more or less 160K Thai Baht and with this money we can have a good living in BKK. A good condo (I assume one bedroom) will cost no more than 35K Baht. With 1K Baht per day you can eat breakfast, lunch and dinner in places with good food. Utilities (assuming reasonable air-con usage) will not go over 2500 k per month. So you'll have more than 90K per month for fun and this will buy a lot in Thailand. Of course if you dive into luxury you'll have some small problems but still you'll be able to have a nice condo, eat good foods and have some fun.

[QUOTE=Michi]Stayed there a couple of times and can confirm what Giotto says. Even if i never had a longer chat with him, but only with Guido.[/QUOTE]

Guido is great, but not sure Guido has the 411 that I'm looking for. ;)

[quote=wendella]ok so the sports bar is useful for people who don't want to venture out, though why someone would want to travel all the way to bangkok only to stay inside the grounds of their hotel strikes me as pretty odd.

[b]can you give an example of the specific kind of info given out at ll that would save you wasted time and money? [/b]

i often see this kind of comment about this place, always in these kinds of general/vague terms, but just wonder what they could be advising that might be considered valuable. it's a bit like advising people how they can best enjoy a rollercoaster.

to me, it seems like if you take a quick stroll in any direction in the sukhumvit area, you're gonna have a hard time avoiding places where action is. and it's not like there's places rep001tered around that are going to prey on newcomers, more like the opposite. i mean, ok, avoid the taxi touts tryign to usher you to massage places... but is that piece of pretty obvious info worth staying a bit far from the action for?[/quote]easy one to answer

i spent some time with the manager and he told me how to get around. he told me how to get to places such as tulip and other palaces of pleasure. he also told me what bars i should try and the ones to avoid. he also pointed out that i should not spend all my evenings in the sports bar, but should get out and about. i managed to have a very full week taht was fun from beginning to end. never had to waste time or money on "dud" places.

it was my first time and i have seen similar comments from other first timers. i really do not see why some of you are so argumentative. i consider the place offers good service and a nice clean room for, what i think is, a reasonable price.

if you cannot see the benefits of the lodge and the reason why they get so much repeat business then that is your problem. no one elses!

bb

[QUOTE=Sirnoir]Third trip to BBK, and not too much has changed in 4 years!

After taking limo from Airport (BMW 7-Series for 2, 200Bht), settled in a the Grand Sukhumvit on Soi 6, but it really might as well be on Soi 4 as it is SO close to the NEP on 4. Unfortunately they did insist on charging me for a full extra night even though my arrival was at 5am. Was hoping for more of a break. 500Bht for Internet seems excesive and I will probably try somewhere else next time, but a nice hotel none the less. Used theor web site to book so I could upgrade the room. Problem with wholesalers is that you always get the smallest room, and not necessarily for ay less than booking direct.

Culd not help my self and headed right ot to start the fun. Fund a very beautiful girl, and got half way back to the hotel before realizing was a LB. Why do they often look the best! So. Had to chase that one away.

Next day headed to Teen Massage on Soi 24/1 about 1pm, had an OK time, but I think I would have rather tried one of the oter ones. Rooms very ugly and not all that clean.

By 7pm not sure I was ready to go again but was near Soi Cowboy so decided to stop in at Bacaraca. What luck! Almost immediately spotted two beautiful young ones just size (short, small breasts and very thin). I picked them out in part because they were having fun with each other, and seemed to have the most energy on the upstairs dance floor in spite of a small crowd. This has always been a good approach for me, to look for those that seem to have the most interest and enthusasism. Some of them are SO not into what they are doing. Not that I can blame them, must be tough to keep up energy level hour after hour. Anyway, invited them for a drink and they almost immediately proposed. And off to my hotel room we were! Fa and Be were their names. Love those school girl outfits. BF 600Bht and 1, 500Bht for ST each. Very fun and willing, and although probably not exactly bi-sexual, they made the moves necessary to make it a very enjoyable few hours.

I gave Fa my card on the way out, and told her I wanted her to call me the next day and cme spend the night with me. Did it on the side so as to not offend the second girl. Fa was just a bit more pretty and loved her work.

Next day I had arranged with [url]www.escortgirlsbangkok.com[/url] to have Hana come to my room at 9am.

This girl was probably the gem of my trip. Personality, language, beauty. She had it all. She was from Chang Mai and unfortunately was going out of town the next day otherwise I would probably have had her return. Many times.

Later in the day tried Annies for a soappy massage. Never did a soapy on my first two trips. Sad to say, was abit of a dissapointment. Place was just not all that much of a turn on. Again, kind of dirty and very plain. I think I shoudl have gone to the effort to go to Emmanuels or Posidion. Not that I have been to these, but my research seemed to indicate that these had a better quality of service and a little better facilities.

That night, as I said Fa for the night.

Needing a day off, I headed to Siam Paragon for a little shopping, and a movie in one of those great 600bht movie seats. Love them! Also visited my favorite market Pak Khlong Market. Look it up in any guide book. If you like to cook, you will e facinated by being able to walk through the stalls of families processing frest fruits, vegetables and flowers.

Also on one of these earlier days I made a visit to the weekend market to buy silks (they pack so well) for gifts for those at home. I recommend this as a great day out if you are around on a weekend.

For my last night I ordered a duo of Nok and June from [url]www.Bangkokgoldescorts.com[/url]

Wile expensive, I wanted a no hassle experience. Nice Lingeire and toys. A bit mechanical, but a part of that was my fault. Wile I loved the A-level from Nok, June was the beauty of the two. Would absolutely see June again.

And here I sit, working out a girl from one of the services for tmorrow morning 8am just before my flights back!

Over all I was dissapointed in one of my wanders through NEP. Seemed dirtyier and seedier than last time, and far to many Lady Boys. I think I am more of a Soi Cowboy fan. But the debate will always rage back and forth on this form of NEP versus Cowboy. Try them both see what you like! NEP strikes me more of a place to do a lot of drinking, which I do not do.

I like the escort services and had good luck, but to each their own!

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Nice report! You ought to post the relevant passages in the "Bangkok Escort Agencies" thread.

[QUOTE=Sirnoir]Wile expensive, I wanted a no hassle experience. Nice Lingeire and toys. A bit mechanical, but a part of that was my fault. Wile I loved the A-level from Nok, June was the beauty of the two. Would absolutely see June again.[/QUOTE]

Though I'll have a meeting myself with Nok and Or in about 2 weeks from now, could you please tell me what the "problem" was there and why you thought it was "a bit mechanical"?

Maybe you experience can help me out for my own meeting

Angels disco is open again in the Nana hotel, now called Liquid --- free entry at the moment.

Has anyone visited Soi 22 lately? It use to be my favorite downtown monger station. Tina's Place was always good for a back/foot massage from four of the girls before you got serious on one. Best one in there use to be Lai, from Monkey province. She was my first truly shaved pussies. Loved to eat from her altar and she was equally respondent. Always a nice selection of girls from all over Thailand. Papason was good to me and let me take them next door to the guesthouse for all night.Then there's the Texas Lone Starr. They had a Chiang Mai broad in there I use to take upstairs or home to my apartment in Banglamphu. Good head artist. I never cared for Patpong nor that other hole on Sukhumvit. Too commercial.

[QUOTE=Zauberfee]Though I'll have a meeting myself with Nok and Or in about 2 weeks from now, could you please tell me what the "problem" was there and why you thought it was "a bit mechanical"?

Maybe you experience can help me out for my own meeting[/QUOTE]

Sirnoir

I wouldn't mind a little additional info on Nok as well, as I have been considering splurging (overpaying, actually) on her A-level service as well during my upcoming trip to LOS next month. Is she at least cute? How was her attitude?

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]Angels disco is open again in the Nana hotel, now called Liquid --- free entry at the moment.[/QUOTE]

Would be good to see a current (as in, this week) report -- someone on another forum visited a few weeks back and reported it wasn't too active, but that was when it first opened.

It's literally ACROSS THE STREET from Nana Plaza, and in the back of the Nana hotel, not exactly a hike across the city to visit. Free entry.

Can someone just go poke their head inside (it'd take, what, 5 minutes?) and describe what you see?

I'm out of Thailand now. Curious to hear whether it's picking up or not.

In its heydey (90s/early 00's) this was a very happening place. Maybe the MOST happening.

I won't say this was a [i]sentimental[/i] journey (you'll understand why when you know the destination), but one I had wanted to make for awhile. Must be heat delirium...

Way back when, first time I came to Bangkok, I never knew about this forum. Might have existed, but that was in the early days of the commercial internet. If there were internet cafes around, they were few and far between.

I don't know where I picked up the info, but somehow I knew that Patpong's Rose bar was a [i]legit[/i], "legit" being the Thai "legit", upstairs bar that was "safe" - not a ripoff, and offered bj's. Unfortunately, because my source's knowledge was limited to a grain of sand, the SOL, while only 20 m away, was, in effect, light years away, as I did not know it existed.

So one early evening way back when, set out, made my way up the stairs, and had the "Rose" experience. Back then, it was so [u]LONG[/u] ago, they actually had dancers (well, more like shufflers) on the stage. Over the years, I'd occassionaly stumble back, late afternoons even, to have the couple of girls on duty roused by the bell as I climbed the stairs, pick one, get taken care of, and leave. Sleeze it was.

Hadn't been there in a LONG, LONG time, but had passed it several times while visiting Patpong on this trip. Honestly surprised to see it still there; how do they pay the rent? So after a trip to MBK, decided to take the skytrain (what a difference it makes, no planning required) over to Patpong, and see what was up at the Rose. Age having given me a bit of common sense, discretion over valor and all that, decided AGAINST an afternoon visit, would make it early evening...

Walked by, the permanent tout sitting in the chair outside the entrance, opening the door to the BLACKNESS, enticing you with a "Come inside, have girls". Asked how much a Singha was - you never know, maybe some nefarious organization had taken it over, turned it into a ripoff bar. No, same nefarious sleeze org. "Beer 90 baht, go up, see."

The same bell alerted the girls as I walked up the dark stairs, the bell that, if slowed down, would actually be clanging out "Abandon hope all ye who enter here". That long climb where you're thinking, what the f*ck am I doing? And if I stumble, fall, die, do I really want an obituary saying WHERE I met my end? Somehow, that stairway is hexed - it's impossible to turn around until you reach the top. It's like the void beckons you on...

Hadn't changed a bit. Made sure of the Singha price, 90 baht. Instead of taking my beer at the bar, took it over to a table. There is a reason they keep it barely lit. Immediately surrounded by ladies (girl is someone under 25, and these weren't girls in my book). They're advertising the availability of a bj - I say I know, I've been here before, and I point out the room[b]s[/b]... Mamasan, well maybe not THE mamasan, waitress, whatever, she mentions that she remembers me (yea right), no true, she's worked there 20 years (certainly one of the lower levels of Dante's Inferno), must have started in her 30's. The "service" costs 800 baht.

Mamasan gives me the [i]"opportunity"[/i] to buy everyone a drink, "Only buy 1 round"... Hmmm, I don't want to engender that much good will at the Rose, given I'm planning on measuring my time here in 1/4 hours...

She then explains there are "only" 6 girls to pick from as it's early... Which is 3 more than I expected... But it then slowly dawns on me, one to my right, one to my left, one squatting underneath the table, 2 more to the left of the lady on my left, and, and, and,... The girl to my left has her hand up my shorts leg, the girl under the table is rubbing my lower crotch, the girl to the right is rubbing my upper crotch, but there's ANOTHER hand up my right shorts leg... WTF? It's the "20 years of service" Mamasan. She's the 6th [u]girl[/u]? :yikes:

Well, maybe she is clever after 20 years, because this now crystal clear realization focuses my attention on the matter at hand (as in removal) so I immediately make [u]the[/u] decision of which one I'll take to the back room (which also hasn't changed; well, at least they're saving money by not renovating; must be going for that nostalgic look). No dilly-dallying around NOW. Average looking, but in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed woman is queen...

Given that the major leaguers are at the SOL, the minors have to be somewhere. Plus they have the "ambiance" of that back room to [i]encourage[/i] you to finish up and get the hell out of there. I'm wondering if bedbugs are an issue...

It's about as good as it gets at the Rose, which is a shadow of the SOL. She's topless; I have no interest in seeing anything else... at least the light is DIM, she's busy... No "think baseball" here to delay [i]departure[/i]... My mind's stuck on the bedbug question...

Goal achieved, I return to the bar, finish my beer, get the check: 890. With the change from my 1000, 10 to the bar, 100 to the lady... minor league ball can be so depressing... and out the door. I do get a warm thank you from the tout at the bottom.

And that's actually the worst part - you just don't want to be seen by anyone coming OUT of the Rose, not even COMPLETE STRANGERS... I'm looking around for the villagers with the pitchforks and torches, pointing and shouting "Unclean, Unclean"... I quickly cut in and out of the night market rows, hoping to throw off any trailing ghosts...

Not for the faint of heart.
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Postscript:
Figuring I'd lost any accusing eyes of where I'd just been, thought I'd stop and have a beer, and ponder my decisions of the last 30 minutes... If the Buddhists are right, I'm hoping to come back as high as an ant... The outside King's corners (and there do seem to be 4 of them), look promising, until I stop, put on the reading glasses, and look at the beer prices. 130 baht?

OK, better than the Nana's rip-off of, what is it, 145, 140 inside the bars... But come on, I know I can get a Singha for 100 baht [u]inside[/u] a King's Patpong bar. Granted, the outside bar provides a view of the passing masses (not so massive these days), but it's hot outside. Inside, the beer's cheaper, you can watch some dancers (well, shufflers), and at least there is a/c. Not so effective, given the wide open door, but still better than outside. I just don't understand the pricing structure...

Inside I go. Miss Spinner is not there, which is fine, I can't pull (if for no other reason than the Rose's experience has made my "lower" self withdraw into itself, perhaps not physically, but "emotionally?" ), and saves me the cost of a lady drink.

While having my beer, I see another VERY comely lass "suiting" up, the string bikini top being securely tied at her back by the attractive mamasan. I'm impressed, just something erotic about that, even if my lower self isn't, still cowering in lingering fear. And secure it must be, for this girl is "built".

Up on the stage she goes, not by the rear stairs, but by a leggy (and she does have a PAIR of those) bar stool climb, to the pride of position, right in front, a true enticement to anyone passing. And she does know how to move... OK, not the acrobatics of last decade's Miss Dancer at the G-Spot (one of my major regrets in life, never pulling her, but I'd always buy her a drink just because she was so enjoyable to watch). Still, orders of magnitude above the mere shufflers accompanying her on stage. She even knew how to use a pole.

She gets a phone call, and the dismount gets an 8.0 from this judge. Brief conversation, the remount, and she continues some very NICE moves - she's got the pelvic thrusts, the rotating rear down pat. She catches me watching her - hell, for me, the only show on stage, and I get a nice smile, some pelvic thrusts in my direction, a few squats...

I'm impressed. Check my watch; damn, have to move, obligations to meet. OK, beer almost finished, and I'm enjoying the (her) show. When our eyes meet again, I make the universal sign for a drink - I'll buy her a lady drink.

Which has the exact OPPOSITE effect I've intended: she IMMEDIATELY does a pole dismount (another 8.0), and comes over, STOPPING the show. My lapse in years here and I've forgotten - wasn't it a girl still had to do her dance shift if she was with someone? Or was that only if she didn't have a lady drink? OK, no other customers there, so maybe it's a moot point. Get a nice smile, she gets her 2 oz, 100 baht coke. Up close, she looks good; I figure she won't last long, someone will be spiriting her away.

A mamasan brings over a folder card, opens it, and it's a price list for "takeaway". I really can't make out the numbers, given I've got my reading glasses on, she's that close, but the card is too far away. I don't bother putting on my driving glasses as I know, tonight, the prices are moot, and sometime in the future, I won't care what they are - some prices MUST be paid.

Still being crass, inquiring minds want to know, and all that, I ask if "[i]they[/i]" are from her mother, or from a hospital. She looks at me with one of those "that's a stupid question" looks you'd get in school. "From mama; real, you want to touch?" which is not really a question as she grabs my hand and places it on one of the "[i]twins[/i]". Yep, real, nice and soft. A genuine 36C if I understood her correctly. Like I said, a SECURE tie of the bikini top MANDATORY to keep those from escaping while dancing.

I curse my luck; it's Cinderella time, and I must make my way home. Another time, which is a real drag, as now there are 2 at the King's bar on my to-do list. She shrugs, I head towards the door, she to the back. OK, sure, I'm under NO illusion that it's anything but BUSINESS, but sometimes, she is COMPELLING, you just have to see her at the end of your nard (to quote Sporadic).

Skytrain, on my way home. What the hey, I'll make a brief stop at the Nana station, over to the Soi 7 Bier Garten to take a recce of what's on offer at the 9 o'clock evening hour. One lime (why they call it "lemon" I DON'T know) juice as a nightcap, and I'll be on my way.

Place is crowded, no "real" room at the main bar, only a couple of "Foodland lunch-counter" spots. 65%/45% F/M, but that's relative. In my brief walk-around, nothing jumped out (well, a few did, but for the WRONG reasons).

Home it is. Just as I reached the entrance, departing, here comes a FL I know, arriving. She's a sweet girl, fun to talk with. She always remembers me, and the conversations we've had. Attractive, but just not enough to [b]MY[/b] lower self, even though I know she'd give a real GFE. She reminds me of a Dubai Seaview PRC - they could be cousins, fun to talk with, just never got around to "knowing". Don't quite know why that is, why some you take, and some attractive ones, just not attractive enough, even with a great personality (and that's not the 'she has a great personality' slight).

She asks where I'm headed. "Home." She grabs my arm, "Don't believe." "No, really, no seats inside." True and true statements. But she's having none of it. Fine, I will have my nightcap, and buy her a drink. [Note: now I've briefly forgotten that this is not the same as in a bar: there, a lady drink EARNS her money; here, a drink is just a drink. But it will give her something in front of her while she looks for a customer.]

Lo and Behold, we spot 2 adjacent seats at the main bar. We sit, I order a lime juice, so does she. She leans close, and whispers, "I'm a little bit drunk."

"Danger Will Robinson" alarms start to go off - almost 2 DECADES later, I still remember my first bg regular, a mean drunk, and I do mean MEAN. Frighting; several times I'd put her in a taxi, hand the driver a couple 100 baht, and tell him to take her wherever she wanted to go. Now, Miss Friend is PROBABLY not like that, but I AM familiar with drunk bg logic... And it's not a pretty sight.

Drinks come, and I IMMEDIATELY start on mine. No need to delay here. She looks around, and comes to a similar "ratio" conclusion as I had, but from HER point of view: "too many ladies, too few man; not good for business." I continue to drink.

"Last night, you take lady, not take me..." Yep, I DON'T like the way this is headed, could turn into "Nasty (and not the good nasty) Street" anytime. I drink faster. "You take lady, only give me small money..."

Guess the old cliche IS true: no good deed goes unpunished. Previous night, before I'd really gotten started talking to Miss Pull, Miss Friend had taken a seat on the other side of her. I bought Miss Pull a drink as we discussed "things", and I considered buying Miss Friend a round, but I knew it would just be a drink. Besides, I wanted to finish the requirements spec, quickly sign the contract, and be on my way to implementation. Deal made, but got a slight sting from Miss Pull on departure. On her arrival, she'd ordered a beer. Now, on our departure, besides the drink I'd specifically bought her, she was having the waiter put the beer on my tab too. Not enough for me to say anything, not wanting to dampen the financial ardor I'd just purchased, but still... Just a little splinter... And Miss Friend CERTAINLY understood what had happened.

Feeling a touch guilty with respect to Miss Friend, I'd slipped her a 100 as I walked past. Would pay for her drink, or she could use for taxi money. Up to her, but it was hard cash.

I could feel the turn onto Nasty Street coming up... Now, I'm gulping the lime juice, bitterness be damned. Suddenly, a detour. "I only joking..." Whooo. But then, it's the intoxicated logic that I dread, that narrow focus... "Today, several men buy me drinks: 4 wines, some beer, 2 whiskeys, but no business." OK, if I'd drunk that mix, I'd be puking my guts out in the gutter (low alcohol tolerance). Her, it's just "focused" her reasoning facilities... "No business. I no have money..."

OK, there NEVER was an 11Bravo BG charity fund, contrary to some beliefs. Certainly a drink for some I enjoy, and I've purchased many a bg's company, but it's always been cash and carry (or should that be 'carry and cash'?) No installment plans for future "considerations"

I say, "Oh, look, my drink's finished. Have to go; bye." "Where you go? You take lady! [THAT is not a question, but a statement.] You not take me."

MAYBE it's just my imagination, but is she slowly metamorphosing into an octopus, with grasping tentacles? Is this my karma payback for the Rose escapade, so soon? [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1002504&postcount=9572[/url]

"No, I go home. Now." Yes, those are encircling tentacles. I break free, both figuratively, and literally (the confined bar stool space). I see an opening, and lunge towards it. Open space never looked so good. Her "no customers" observation follows me...

I'm sure the next time I see her, she'll be her old, sunny self, but, lesson learned, I will confine my Bier Garten drinking to earlier in the day.

Narrow escape indeed.

Bravo indeed - superb set of reports! I hope to read more. Rose sounds like a dive - I must try it one day, if I gather the courage and the bedbug repellent.

Are you trying to write a book?

FFS.

You simply tell all the girls you are big butterfly, take different lady every night and it puts them right into their place, they will not attempt anything next time they see you.

If you have not got the balls to tell the girls you fuck around a lot then you will be seen as "prey" to them, weak willed men who cannot openly admit what they are, who try to hide what they do from bar girls.

Tell them straight the first time you take them and let it be known you are the customer and they are paid for sex, as and when needed but only if you want to, and if you want to take a diffrerent girl the next night, you will.

[QUOTE=11Bravo]Skytrain, on my way home. What the hey, I'll make a brief stop at the Nana station, over to the Soi 7 Bier Garten to take a recce of what's on offer at the 9 o'clock evening hour. One lime (why they call it "lemon" I DON'T know) juice as a nightcap, and I'll be on my way.

Place is crowded, no "real" room at the main bar, only a couple of "Foodland lunch-counter" spots. 65%/45% F/M, but that's relative. In my brief walk-around, nothing jumped out (well, a few did, but for the WRONG reasons).

Home it is. Just as I reached the entrance, departing, here comes a FL I know, arriving. She's a sweet girl, fun to talk with. She always remembers me, and the conversations we've had. Attractive, but just not enough to [b]MY[/b] lower self, even though I know she'd give a real GFE. She reminds me of a Dubai Seaview PRC - they could be cousins, fun to talk with, just never got around to "knowing". Don't quite know why that is, why some you take, and some attractive ones, just not attractive enough, even with a great personality (and that's not the 'she has a great personality' slight).

She asks where I'm headed. "Home." She grabs my arm, "Don't believe." "No, really, no seats inside." True and true statements. But she's having none of it. Fine, I will have my nightcap, and buy her a drink. [Note: now I've briefly forgotten that this is not the same as in a bar: there, a lady drink EARNS her money; here, a drink is just a drink. But it will give her something in front of her while she looks for a customer.]

Lo and Behold, we spot 2 adjacent seats at the main bar. We sit, I order a lime juice, so does she. She leans close, and whispers, "I'm a little bit drunk."

"Danger Will Robinson" alarms start to go off - almost 2 DECADES later, I still remember my first bg regular, a mean drunk, and I do mean MEAN. Frighting; several times I'd put her in a taxi, hand the driver a couple 100 baht, and tell him to take her wherever she wanted to go. Now, Miss Friend is PROBABLY not like that, but I AM familiar with drunk bg logic... And it's not a pretty sight.

Drinks come, and I IMMEDIATELY start on mine. No need to delay here. She looks around, and comes to a similar "ratio" conclusion as I had, but from HER point of view: "too many ladies, too few man; not good for business." I continue to drink.

"Last night, you take lady, not take me..." Yep, I DON'T like the way this is headed, could turn into "Nasty (and not the good nasty) Street" anytime. I drink faster. "You take lady, only give me small money..."

Guess the old cliche IS true: no good deed goes unpunished. Previous night, before I'd really gotten started talking to Miss Pull, Miss Friend had taken a seat on the other side of her. I bought Miss Pull a drink as we discussed "things", and I considered buying Miss Friend a round, but I knew it would just be a drink. Besides, I wanted to finish the requirements spec, quickly sign the contract, and be on my way to implementation. Deal made, but got a slight sting from Miss Pull on departure. On her arrival, she'd ordered a beer. Now, on our departure, besides the drink I'd specifically bought her, she was having the waiter put the beer on my tab too. Not enough for me to say anything, not wanting to dampen the financial ardor I'd just purchased, but still... Just a little splinter... And Miss Friend CERTAINLY understood what had happened.

Feeling a touch guilty with respect to Miss Friend, I'd slipped her a 100 as I walked past. Would pay for her drink, or she could use for taxi money. Up to her, but it was hard cash.

I could feel the turn onto Nasty Street coming up... Now, I'm gulping the lime juice, bitterness be damned. Suddenly, a detour. "I only joking..." Whooo. But then, it's the intoxicated logic that I dread, that narrow focus... "Today, several men buy me drinks: 4 wines, some beer, 2 whiskeys, but no business." OK, if I'd drunk that mix, I'd be puking my guts out in the gutter (low alcohol tolerance). Her, it's just "focused" her reasoning facilities... "No business. I no have money..."

OK, there NEVER was an 11Bravo BG charity fund, contrary to some beliefs. Certainly a drink for some I enjoy, and I've purchased many a bg's company, but it's always been cash and carry (or should that be 'carry and cash'?) No installment plans for future "considerations"

I say, "Oh, look, my drink's finished. Have to go; bye." "Where you go? You take lady! [THAT is not a question, but a statement.] You not take me."

MAYBE it's just my imagination, but is she slowly metamorphosing into an octopus, with grasping tentacles? Is this my karma payback for the Rose escapade, so soon? [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1002504&postcount=9572[/url]

"No, I go home. Now." Yes, those are encircling tentacles. I break free, both figuratively, and literally (the confined bar stool space). I see an opening, and lunge towards it. Open space never looked so good. Her "no customers" observation follows me...

I'm sure the next time I see her, she'll be her old, sunny self, but, lesson learned, I will confine my Bier Garten drinking to earlier in the day.

Narrow escape indeed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=The Pro]Are you trying to write a book?[/quote]No, but I thought I heard that with your 2000th post, you get a free isg t-shirt. Have I been misinformed?

[QUOTE=The Pro]it puts them right into their place[/quote]I just never found that the "put them in their place" attitude was right [u]for me[/u]. I've never felt that I needed to push someone down to feel superior.

I've always used "repeat business" as a satisfaction indicator. You know, the carrot, rather than the stick.

[QUOTE=The Pro]You simply tell all the girls you are big butterfly,[/quote]Big butterfly? Please. That's 500 posts (simple butterfly is 250). At a 1000, it's Helicopter. Above 1500, SkyLab.

[QUOTE=The Pro]If you have not got the balls to tell the girls you fuck around a lot then you will be seen as "prey" to them, weak willed men who cannot openly admit what they are, who try to hide what they do from bar girls.[/quote]My ball size is just fine, thank you, but thanks for asking.

Now my heart, that's a different matter. I'm thinking that IF the Buddhists are right, I'm trying to have as big a heart as possible so I have hopes of coming back as something as high as an ant next life, my goal anyway. That khun ji de and all.

I don't hide what I do, but I don't need to flaunt it either. No need to state the obvious. Damn, I'm very comfortable with myself. Thanks for reconfirming that.

[QUOTE=The Pro]you are the customer and they are paid for sex[/QUOTE]I'm sure that with you, they are very aware of that fact. As with me, but perhaps in a slightly different way. If I do come back as a bar girl next life, I'll let you know for sure.

Cheers.

11Bravo, and thats why they treat you the way they do, be threatening with you (you felt threatened), see you as a walking ATM, give you a hard time and you will deal the cash out to them as

They treat me very different, I would suggest they treat me more as a friend, but you are just a walking ATM to them, they keep hitting it hard enough and you might get more out of it.

[QUOTE=11Bravo]No, but I thought I heard that with your 2000th post, you get a free isg t-shirt. Have I been misinformed?

I just never found that the "put them in their place" attitude was right [u]for me[/u]. I've never felt that I needed to push someone down to feel superior.

I've always used "repeat business" as a satisfaction indicator. You know, the carrot, rather than the stick.

Big butterfly? Please. That's 500 posts (simple butterfly is 250). At a 1000, it's Helicopter. Above 1500, SkyLab.

My ball size is just fine, thank you, but thanks for asking.

Now my heart, that's a different matter. I'm thinking that IF the Buddhists are right, I'm trying to have as big a heart as possible so I have hopes of coming back as something as high as an ant next life, my goal anyway. That khun ji de and all.

I don't hide what I do, but I don't need to flaunt it either. No need to state the obvious. Damn, I'm very comfortable with myself. Thanks for reconfirming that.

I'm sure that with you, they are very aware of that fact. As with me, but perhaps in a slightly different way. If I do come back as a bar girl next life, I'll let you know for sure.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=The Pro]Are you trying to write a book?

FFS.[/quote]

Oh man, are you nuts? Posts like these are so much more interesting than all the tit-for-tat sarcastic cynical one liner posts that show up every day.

11Ball's and Kumbu's posts are the best damn things I've seen show up here this year. They're not just detailed, but interesting, funny, witty and intelligent.

[QUOTE=The Pro]weak willed men who cannot openly admit what they are, who try to hide what they do from bar girls.[/QUOTE]

So that means James Bond is a weak-willed man?

went over to patpong last week - maybe 9 or 10. i just felt like having a bj, and as i had passed down the alley of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on suk 8 twice without anyone catching my eye (where is dream these days) thought i'd give sol a go. walked over there and had a beer inside. the ugliest one sat next to me. "meow krup" sent her away. rabbit was engaged with some japanese dude and there was a queue at the restroom to get sucked off. my favorite little spinner wasn't there either, and neither was jane. i hadn't walked inside in about a year, so i guess things have changed.

walked out and went into a bar called "mike's place." never been there, but the girls immediately took me into one of the back rooms. i chose "da" a skinny girl with a good attitude. sadly my choice would prove to be disappointing. the first thing she does is turn on the tv and put in a porno. she strips and immediately starts sucking me off. she did not have great skills. in fact, she's one of the worst. she only sucks about 1/3 of the way down my shaft, and i start watching the porno so i can finish. i also had to fuck her mouth in order to cum. i will not be back. cost: 800 baht plus 100 baht tip. for my money, the only bj bars that deserve my business are [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and sol.

[quote=mangofan]went over to patpong last week - maybe 9 or 10. i just felt like having bj . . . . . . for my money, the only bj bars that deserve my business are [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and sol.[/quote]

totally right. my verdict: sol is the superior place because of its "open" atmosphere compared to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url].
i soon will be back there for 10 days and look forward to my daily "lunch".
fv.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]Angels disco is open again in the Nana hotel, now called Liquid --- free entry at the moment.[/QUOTE]

It be nice if the girls there allow for free entry also

I was in Bangkok last week for some business, and managed to sneak in a session or two at the places along Ratchadaphisek Road. I had been a little concerned about the impact of the political protests, but other than some vandalized signs and some visible police presence everything seemed pretty normal.

The one thing that seems to be affected is business for the girls. The places seemed empty, and one girl complained that business had been really slow since the protests started.

went to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] yesterday. dream still isn't back - perhaps she's gone for good. anyway it was about 5 pm so there were loads of girls to choose from outside. i chose "new" - a real cutie with small breasts. great bj skills; halfway through i asked her how much for boom boom. 1100 baht. ok sure. 3 positions on that small little couch - not exactly prime comfort but was great - she has a beautiful pussy. cim and she had a big smile on her face. so did i.

[quote=flyingvisitor]totally right. my verdict: sol is the superior place because of its "open" atmosphere compared to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url].
i soon will be back there for 10 days and look forward to my daily "lunch".
fv.[/quote]
not really your lunch, as it's the lady who ingests the protein.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Nana Disco (Angel's) has apparently reopened as Nana Liquid Disco.

Anyone been there yet?[/QUOTE]It's a little slow prior to 2am, but after 2am it gets quite busy. I didn't see a lot of FL there, but there were some there. I was told they are open till 5am .

Hi folks,

Only been to LOS once before, in December. But am planning a new trip in first week of May.

Anybody have any experience from going to Bangkok (perhaps a few days in Pattaya too)? Do the bars still have a good selection of girls, or does it drop down because it is "off-season"?

Happy Easter!

[QUOTE=Daimen666]Hi folks,

Only been to LOS once before, in December. But am planning a new trip in first week of May.

Anybody have any experience from going to Bangkok (perhaps a few days in Pattaya too)? Do the bars still have a good selection of girls, or does it drop down because it is "off-season"?

Happy Easter![/QUOTE]
drop down?
even if, by whatever reasons, it drops by 30% there will still be sufficient talents around, do not worry

I've heard so much of Bier Garden and wanted to check out the action. It's close by to where I'm staying and thought it would be a great place to take some for either short time or long time. I tried to get there about 11pm because I know some of the FL are going to try to get home by midnight before they shut down the rail system.

My friend and I got there and the place was packed. It looked like an bunch of island bars all through out. I happened to grab a seat when a guy left and this girl next to me starts chatting and starts her flirting. She was pretty and we struck up a conversation, but I asked about short time but she wanted 1, 500 Bt. That should have been the first warning. Most gals here usually take 1, 000 Bt. I was pretty tired and horny and decided ask about overnight and got quited 2, 000Bt. I was pretty horny and decided to take her up. I should have know it may not turn well.

We got back to the hotel and she quickly gave me a lame HJ and would not even offer BJ at all. Then we had sex and then she finished me off and then just rolled over to sleep. I was in no mood to argue and just went with it. She wakes up at 7am and then proceeds to give me BBBJ finally and once I had cummed, she promptly left.

Overall, my experience wasn't that good at the bier Garden. I got worked over by a pro but hey I'm learning.

I would have been better off if I went to a local bar and BF a girl back home. Atleast I would not have gotten such attitude.

I'll probably never head to Bier Garden to pick up anyone back.

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[QUOTE=Samuking]
Overall, my experience wasn't that good at the bier Garden. I got worked over by a pro but hey I'm learning.

I would have been better off if I went to a local bar and BF a girl back home. Atleast I would not have gotten such attitude.

I'll probably never head to Bier Garden to pick up anyone back.
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I'm no fan of Bier Garten, just find that whats on offer there isn't generally as good as almost any other venue nearby.

But... your reasoning is faulty here. All the girls are different people. You're probably close to as likely to pick up a lemon like this one at some local bar as at Bier Garten. And likewise, you're just as likely to get a girl who gives good service next time you go to BG again. So never going there again doesn't seem to make sense, unless your goal is to just keep eliminating places to go back to. If you decide to never return to a place every time you have a bad experience, eventually you won't have any more places to go. OK maybe that's pushing it, but you see the point. You can make choices to maximize your chances, but luck will always be a factor. Luck was just against you this time.

Always nice to experience BKK through the eyes of a newbie. That BKK [i]NEW[/i] only happens once for each of us, the [i]shock and awe[/i].

[QUOTE=Samuking]I tried to get there about 11pm because I know some of the FL are going to try to get home by midnight before they shut down the rail system.[/quote]Bier Garten goes all hours; I like it in the afternoons. Certainly less to pick from then, but like I say, I've always seen at least one who I could walk out the door with (if they had a door) with no problems. My trouble is, I have to work on my timings as the ones I like seem to be [i]occupied[/i] already. My advice: If you find her attractive, so will others, so make an offer [u]sooner[/u] rather than later. You snooze, you loose.

[QUOTE=Samuking]Overall, my experience wasn't that good at the bier Garden. I got worked over by a pro but hey I'm learning.[/quote]They're all pros, in one way or another. :)

[QUOTE=Samuking]I would have been better off if I went to a local bar and BF a girl back home. Atleast I would not have gotten such attitude.[/quote]Don't be too sure about that :) Plenty of bg's would provide the same type of [i]service[/i]. There really is no way of knowing beforehand (but see below). Look on the bright side: she did deliver 3 shots, and 1 was the morning wakeup, even if EARLY. Some would have simply dressed and disappeared out the door.

[QUOTE=Samuking]I'll probably never head to Bier Garden to pick up anyone back.[/QUOTE]"Like a box of chocolates..." Anyplace has providers who will provide good or bad service, some mostly good, some mostly bad. The only way to really know is to try and to see how she is with you, taking into consideration others' reports, but even then, there are no guarantees, good or bad.

The best indication I've found is how she interacts with you, in the bar. Obviously, she should be marketing to you. If she's flirty and friendly, no guarantees back [i]home[/i], but certainly more likely than someone giving 1 word answers (limited english notwithstanding). But also understand she is trying to seal a deal, so there are no written guarantees.

You just try again [u]with someone else[/u].

For me, I've had some good luck at BG7, and do like the place, people watching if nothing else.

You might try some of the bars up on Soi Cowboy - I've been impressed with some of the looks of the Tilac girls, but no experience of how they are [i]outside[/i].