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5 % of that info was taken from Facebook pictures included. First point of call these days for the press. It's publicly available information, free and quotable. The guys innocence or guilt makes no difference, the guy and girls quoted by the press wrote it themselves and posted it in the public domain. It's a scary thought.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1640539]I was amazed at the amount of personal details of everybody, both victims and accused, was published in these papers. In the (unlikely) event that this bloke is innocent his face is kmown world-wide, but this is one thing. Worse is that every single detail of the girls life was spelled out. In the Netherlands this is not even done by the most scandal-lusting daily paper. Is this normal in Britain and Hong Kong?

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1640539]I was amazed at the amount of personal details of everybody, both victims and accused, was published in these papers. In the (unlikely) event that this bloke is innocent his face is kmown world-wide, but this is one thing. Worse is that every single detail of the girls life was spelled out. In the Netherlands this is not even done by the most scandal-lusting daily paper. Is this normal in Britain and Hong Kong?

Regards.

Ko.[/QUOTE]Very normal in Britain sadly. Everyone has to know everything BEFORE any trial. Names of GF's, ex gfs, co workers etc, every facebook photo taken for everyone to see, even the guys Bloomberg account on display. Sadly we live in a world of instant fame / infamy. Sometimes the older more private days were just a bit better.

Which is why nobody, especially gentlemen like ourselves who enjoy our particular past time, should have a FaceBook account in their own names.

Get yourself nicked by the local plod and the next thing you know some reptile from the Daily Mail is scouring through your FaceBook page picking the most insalubrious pictures they can find of you, most of which involve you holding a glass of something at some club or party (old Joe Kennedy, a man of our predilections, warned his sons never to photographed with a drink in their hands as that would be the photo used by the press to show what drunks they were in later years). Billions of people worldwide have made the FaceBook founders extremely wealthy by kindly providing them with their names, addresses, dates of birth, jobs, current location, names of their wives and kids and of course a gazillion photographs, which those billionaires then turn into cash and it's all free to them, it's staggering when you think about it.

Don't get me wrong FaceBook can be a very useful tool in our hobby particularly in hooking up with ladies who are somewhat less security conscious than us when it comes to their personal details. I have several FaceBook accounts none of which are in my real name (the one I use for my closest family, I have the sum total of 20 "friends" on it, has a near approximation to a name my family would be familiar with). I do not provide my real date of birth, my address, my place of work or any other piece of information that could in anyway link the pages to me.

My advice to anyone here is to go through their FB and Twitter accounts and start deleting like billy-oh, I don't for one minute suggest that anyone here is about to murder some bar girls but ask yourself why does anyone need to see the information you are providing? Who are all these 3,760 "friends" that have access to your personal details and photos of your wife and kids and why should you provide them with this valuable information?

As a wiser man than me said: "Remember, you don't have an account on FaceBook, FaceBook has an account on you".

How many local women do we know in Jakarta who have a relationship with a bule, but still meet other men either to earn an extra buck or pass the lonely nights with someone else when partner is out of town? One of those bule guys in Jakarta might be inspired by what happened in Hong Kong. Or am I very much exaggerating it?

[QUOTE=Menteng;1640769]How many local women do we know in Jakarta who have a relationship with a bule, but still meet other men either to earn an extra buck or pass the lonely nights with someone else when partner is out of town? One of those bule guys in Jakarta might be inspired by what happened in Hong Kong. Or am I very much exaggerating it?[/QUOTE]I don't think there's any wider lesson to be drawn from this case. We have an arrogant, public-school (that's expensive private school to non-Brits) educated, financial-services whizz kid, who has a serious cocaine and alcohol problem living the wild expat life in Asia and who appears to have got himself into difficulties (the reports are his trading licence was suspended the day of the first killing) and who cracks up. It's horrible for the poor girls and one has the deepest sympathy for them to meet their fate at the hands of such a fuck-wit loser but I don't think anything they did had any relevance to their ultimate fate, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Well, there is one lesson to be learned and one which I learned to my cost only recently; blokes like him are the people who are managing your pensions and savings, you might have been wondering why the returns on your investment have been so consistently poor over the years, well have a look at him and his colleagues and wonder no more.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;1640402][B]Higher-end and higher-priced spas[/B] include Alexis and Malioboro. Alexis costs more and is higher-end (you will spend well over 1. 5 million here, RTFF) while Malioboro offers both Indonesian girls (over 750,000 rupiah) and foreign girls (well over 1 million rupiah). Both places offers in-house sessions that may last 1 to 2 hours; take-out is rare and would be expensive.

[B]Lower-end and lower-priced massage spas[/B] include Travel and Classic, as well as Maribaya Spa (Hotel Melawai, Blok M) and, up north in Kota, Berlian and Kartika, which offers body-to-body full body slide massage (similar to nuru).[/QUOTE]I have been to Maribaya 4 times in the past month. I enjoy the service there and all the girls I have met have been pretty, at least to me.

What can I expect above and beyond what I get at Maribaya if I go to Alexis or Malioboro? I usually stay in the Blok M area and would like to know the uptick, in exchange for the traffic, taxi ride and higher cost to go there. I realize most of this is personal taste and subjective rather than objective, but I would like a few opinions from those who have visited both.

Thanks,

Traveler

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;1641010]I have been to Maribaya 4 times in the past month. I enjoy the service there and all the girls I have met have been pretty, at least to me.

What can I expect above and beyond what I get at Maribaya if I go to Alexis or Malioboro? I usually stay in the Blok M area and would like to know the uptick, in exchange for the traffic, taxi ride and higher cost to go there. I realize most of this is personal taste and subjective rather than objective, but I would like a few opinions from those who have visited both.

Thanks,

Traveler[/QUOTE]Absolutely right Traveler. I enjoy Maribaya. The girls know their job and how to please. I have been to Alexis a few times and the girls may be hot. But once in the room, they are prosaic and robot like. Alexis is fine for the 5th floor massage with the Chinese girls. But the true VFM is Maribaya.

[QUOTE=JohnAldrich;1641305]I have been to Alexis a few times and the girls may be hot. But once in the room, they are prosaic and robot like.[/QUOTE]I have the same experience. I think poor service is the norm at all of the up market places like that. And don't be surprised if the girls whip out a condom for the BJ in Alexis. I know this has been said many times on this forum, but the service at Maribaya is far better than Alexis. However, the girls at Alexis are far prettier and the rooms are far nicer. Alexis is absolutely not value for money compared to other places in Jakarta. The girls are hot, but you can find just as hot girls elsewhere in Jakarta for a lot less money and they give you better service. After living in Jakarta 15 years, I have been to Alexis maybe 5 times. I have been to Maribaya at least 300 times. (Although maybe only a few times in the last few years because the talent level has dropped drastically.) I personally like value for money and good service. When I first came to Jakarta, I would make sure the girls got me off 3 times in an hour at Maribaya and they never complained. I don't have the strength for that anymore, but I doubt they would mind if I could still pull it off.

I've attached a photo many of you who have been to Maribaya will recognize.

Latest article about the horrible murders in Hong Kong, both girls now identified as Indonesian.

[URL]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/horror-hits-hong-kongs-famed-red-light-district/ar-BBd7ZKt[/URL]

May the two young ladies rest in peace.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;1641357]Latest article about the horrible murders in Hong Kong, both girls now identified as Indonesian.

[URL]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/horror-hits-hong-kongs-famed-red-light-district/ar-BBd7ZKt[/URL]

May the two young ladies rest in peace.[/QUOTE]What strikes me is that a guy this young is already completely derailed by a "love hurts syndrome". He seems to completely unaware that you can't always have it your way. There is a generation of financial whizzkids who have lost all contact with the real world. High time for a crash course in reality for a large number of people, but who's listening to me?

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1641383]What strikes me is that a guy this young is already completely derailed by a "love hurts syndrome". He seems to completely unaware that you can't always have it your way. There is a generation of financial whizzkids who have lost all contact with the real world. High time for a crash course in reality for a large number of people, but who's listening to me?

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]Gruesome it really is, but let's get back to Jakarta.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;1641357]Latest article about the horrible murders in Hong Kong, both girls now identified as Indonesian.[/QUOTE]Both of them look pretty cute too.



Maybe this will serve to cause the girls to think twice about leaving Indonesia and going to Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore, etc. A lot of the nicest girls from the Blok ended up going to those countries to make more money and it decreased the quality of girls found in Jakarta. My ex girlfriend was friends with a girl who recruited girls to go to Japan (her boyfriend was a Japanese guy). She focused on the Blok M bar girls and karaoke girls. They used to meet at Baso Karapitan in Blok M Plaza to sign the contracts. One of my favorite Blok M girls from the early 2000's went to Japan for 5 years. I saw her in BATS after she had returned to Jakarta and she still looked quite good. She told me she liked Japan so much (big money) that she desperately wanted to go back. I haven't seen her for years now, so maybe she went back.

PLease note that JAD is "retired" for number of reasons and no longer provides his services. Sad to say.

[QUOTE=Firebird;1641704]Please note that JAD is "retired" for number of reasons and no longer provides his services. Sad to say.[/QUOTE]That is sad. JAD is a Jakarta legend and a fun guy to hang out with. I took his "Adult Disneyland" tour back in 2001 (he advertised in the Jakarta post). Back then, the internet didn't say much about Jakarta and there weren't many tourists in town, just guys who had been sent here for work. I had been visiting Jakarta for 4 years fairly frequently before then, but moved to town in 2001. At that time, my friends and I really only knew the typical expat places like Bali Hai, Lintas Melawai, Top Gun, Oscars, CJs, BATS, Tiga Puluh, Tanamur and JJ's. Some of my friends had lived in Jakarta over 10 years, but they didn't know much about North Jakarta.

JAD's tour introduced me to the places in North Jakarta. That night, we met at the Hyatt and he took me to Kartika, Bintang Mawar, Hotel Travel (quite different from what it is now), Orchard hotel, Medika, Today's Country (Tiara Ceria), and a place that just had some girls sitting in a room that you could select and take home. At the time, the price in those places was not more than 150 k in any of them. I think Medika was 100 k and the girl there was stunning (they only had curtains on the rooms though, no doors to the rooms). JAD would have gladly shown me other places, but I was shagged out and ready to go home. That was back in the golden days of Jakarta though when it was still pretty much the best kept secret in the world. His tour was almost mandatory back then if you wanted to learn the less known places in Jakarta. Now with the internet, there are not many secrets anymore. Jakarta is still fun, but the "innocence" of the place is not what it was.

I used to love it when I would go up North to places and the girls had never been with a bule before because not many bules knew about those places. And back then, the freelance girls never bargained before going home with you for the night, they just accepted the normal going rate the next morning. I can't even remember one ever counting the money in the morning. I think the norm was 300 k at the time if I remember correctly. It wasn't until Jakarta wasn't so secret anymore and the sex tourists started hitting town that the girls started quoting a price up front and the rate went up drastically.

I often tell new people in town to take JAD's tour when they first arrive. Sure it's possible to do research on the internet to learn the places to go now. But I think saving hours of research time, having a guy who can interpret for you in person, and tell you the price and how much to tip, is a good investment for new guys in town. It's a shame to hear he's calling it quits.

A toast to JAD!

Smoothy, very well written. I saw JAD this past week in the Shangri-La. Really nice guy. I also took his tour when I first started going to Jakarta several years ago. I am sure his services will be missed. We spoke a long time when we met. His decision to "retire" was a religious one. He asked me to send his regards to all his ISG friends.

Over the several nights I was in Jakarta I pulled several from BATS and one from TOP GUN. The girl from TOP GUN looked quite nice in the place but when I brought here to my room, totally changed. Sometimes you win. Sometimes not. BATS had a good selection ofr talent.

Take Care All. I wish only the Best to JAD. He will be missed.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1641735]<SNIP>
JAD's tour introduced me to the places in North Jakarta. That night, we met at the Hyatt and he took me to Kartika, Bintang Mawar, Hotel Travel (quite different from what it is now), Orchard hotel, Medika, Today's Country (Tiara Ceria), and a place that just had some girls sitting in a room that you could select and take home. At the time, the price in those places was not more than 150 k in any of them. I think Medika was 100 k and the girl there was stunning (they only had curtains on the rooms though, no doors to the rooms). JAD would have gladly shown me other places, but I was shagged out and ready to go home. That was back in the golden days of Jakarta though when it was still pretty much the best kept secret in the world. His tour was almost mandatory back then if you wanted to learn the less known places in Jakarta. Now with the internet, there are not many secrets anymore. Jakarta is still fun, but the "innocence" of the place is not what it was.

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A toast to JAD![/QUOTE]I came to Jakarta for the first time in 1991 and at that time the Hotmen Bar was quite famous. The name was just an abbreviation of the hotels' name, Hotel Menteng, but it was very appropriate. It was loaded with "self employed young women", as they were called at the time and was very popular with expats. I remember taking quite a number of SYT's back to my hotel (Kartika Plaza, ah! Memories.) The next time I came to Jakarta, in 1995, the Hotmen Bar had degenerated into a meeting place for the gay community and I switched to Blok M. The Tambora was in full swing then.

Funny that nobody else remembers the Hotmen Bar.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1641766]I came to Jakarta for the first time in 1991 and at that time the Hotmen Bar was quite famous. The name was just an abbreviation of the hotels' name, Hotel Menteng, but it was very appropriate. It was loaded with "self employed young women", as they were called at the time and was very popular with expats. I remember taking quite a number of SYT's back to my hotel (Kartika Plaza, ah! Memories.) The next time I came to Jakarta, in 1995, the Hotmen Bar had degenerated into a meeting place for the gay community and I switched to Blok M. The Tambora was in full swing then.

Funny that nobody else remembers the Hotmen Bar.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]I remember it well as it was one of my favorite haunts in 1988 through about 1992. Wonderfully sleazy, full of syts, and horny expats.

GE.

[QUOTE=Firebird;1641738]His decision to "retire" was a religious one. [/QUOTE]Well good for him, each to their own I suppose. The same reason the legendary Tanamur closed down.

Hey, what's that which just flew past me in the breeze? A straw? There seem to be quite a few of them these days.

I've bored friends and colleagues on this subject before but I suspect the scene in Jakarta ten years hence will not resemble anything it is today and most certainly nothing like it was ten years ago. Good thing my old prostate will probably have packed up by then, if the cirrhosis hasn't finished me off I'll at least have the consolation of a choice selection of photos and memories to keep me going.

Feel sorry for the younger guys mind you.

(That's if any of them can even access the site, the powers that be have now managed to block the anonymiser software too, it's down to Tor now. Dammit, where are all these straws blowing from?

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1641766]
Funny that nobody else remembers the Hotmen Bar.
[/QUOTE]Although I have heard many great stories about both over the years, Hotmen and Tambora had both gone under by the time I arrived in town. Pentagon was still open in Blok M when I arrived, but it didn't last long before closing down. I used to love watching the girls dance in front of the mirror at Pentagon late at night. Even Tanamur was on it's way down when I had first arrived, but it was still great fun. I miss that place for fun, but not for the parking mafia outside. They wanted 10,000 rupiah for parking back in the days where everyone else wanted 1,000. Tanamur was the only place in town I can recall that allowed lady boys inside. Luckily they stayed upstairs while everyone else was downstairs. And they had those hot sexy dancers in the rafters that every guy wanted, but nobody got to take them home as far as I know. Same with the smoking hot big breasted chick in the back part of the bar who always wore that shiny USA bikini top. I don't know anyone who ever got with her either. That place was wild. It was not only a good place to pick up working girls, but also the best place in town to pick up university girls out to have a good time.

JJ's right next to Tanamur was another great place. Remember when JJ's used to have that huge projection TV over the dance floor and they would show that animated porno "Once Upon A Girl"? Haha. That's the only place in Jakarta I've ever seen have the guts to show that kind of video in the open. The best times I had in Jakarta were when I first arrived. I imagine had I arrived in the early 90's it would have been even better.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1641800]The same reason the legendary Tanamur closed down.
[/QUOTE]Is that really why Tanamur closed? The last couple of years it was open, it was never busy anymore. There would rarely ever be over 10 people in there those last couple of years. I thought they just closed it because it was already dead quiet and Stadium had just opened so that put the nail in their coffin as the best late late night place.

Tanamur was voted best night club in all of Asia for over 10 years in the 90's. But by the early to mid 2000's, it was quite dire.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1641829]Is that really why Tanamur closed? The last couple of years it was open, it was never busy anymore. There would rarely ever be over 10 people in there those last couple of years. I thought they just closed it because it was already dead quiet and Stadium had just opened so that put the nail in their coffin as the best late late night place.

Tanamur was voted best night club in all of Asia for over 10 years in the 90's. But by the early to mid 2000's, it was quite dire.[/QUOTE]The guy who ran it was an Arab-Indonesian and his family owned the land with his uncle providing the financing, he wanted to revamp and expand the place but his uncle who had gone on the haj was very unhappy about being involved in the business and insisted that the place be shut down. The nephew did his best to try and keep it going but eventually conceded and the place folded.

Note Stadium is now closed, as is Today Country before it, and neither will reopen, now in each case you can say that they shut for different reasons but when I say Jakarta is changing I mean the free-wheeling, easy-going place of the past will be gone, with a few super-knocking shops run by a small tight business group which provide a generic not very satisfying service restricted to specific "ghettos" will be the future. The small-time, free-lance places where you can relax and have fun scattered across town will be gone.

Think about how you used to be able to buy liquor off the shelf of Hero supermarket ten years ago but now can only find it in specific, expensive, monopolistic outlets restricted to certain locations. The future is clear and the underlying reason behind it seems fairly obvious too.

Maybe I'm just too pessimistic.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1641877]Jakarta is changing I mean the free-wheeling, easy-going place of the past will be gone, with a few super-knocking shops run by a small tight business group which provide a generic not very satisfying service restricted to specific "ghettos" will be the future. The small-time, free-lance places where you can relax and have fun scattered across town will be gone.

Think about how you used to be able to buy liquor off the shelf of Hero supermarket ten years ago but now can only find it in specific, expensive, monopolistic outlets restricted to certain locations. The future is clear and the underlying reason behind it seems fairly obvious too.

Maybe I'm just too pessimistic.[/QUOTE]There's simply too much money to be made even by the government for these places to shut down permanently. Give it a few months and Stadium will be back.

Liquor isn't only available in expensive and exclusive places. I know a handful of small corner shops across town selling for prices almost the same as Duty Free shops.

As a full-time sexpat I don't see any declining trend in the scene here (compared to Thailand or Sing), just that getting BBBJ and BBFS has become harder or needs more tips.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1642009]

As a full-time sexpat I don't see any declining trend in the scene here (compared to Thailand or Sing), just that getting BBBJ and BBFS has become harder or needs more tips.[/QUOTE]Yeah, maybe you're right and I am just being too pessimistic but it seems to me that in the years since I've been here, little incremental changes have been made, here and there and always for a variety of good reasons but all of which, combined, show a picture of a changing environment, we're not about to turn into Kabul, don't get me wrong, perhaps more like Malaysia than the Jakarta of old. I agree the money-men will ensure there is always action in Jakarta but with the combination of one ethnic group's piety and another ethnic group's fondness for market control it will be a much more rigidly controlled scene. Out in the sticks (and by the sticks I include towns that most of us would regard as part of "Jakarta") it will be even more difficult.

Forgive me for going off on a tangent but let us imagine someone who first arrived in the fun-capital of West Java, Bandung, a mere 10 or 15 years ago and who enjoyed the free-wheeling life of a young man about town in a relaxed and friendly city in Indonesia back then. Let us imagine he has recently returned for the first time and has checked into his favourite hotel looking forward to catching up on old times. So first of all as it's early he hooks up his lap top to read on ISG about the local scene and maybe surf a little porn. What's this? All the sites are blocked, he logs on to his privacy software, it too is blocked, wow, since when did the authorities give a hoot about what we watch on the computer? That's a surprise.

Anyway he goes out for a wander around town, as usual the schoolkids greet him as they always did with a "Hello Mister!" from the boys and a shy smile from the girls. In the old days he was a younger man and might have admired the shapely forms of the older high school girls in their tight fitting knee-length skirts, short-sleeved shirts and long hair (yeah, I know I'm coming a across as a bit creepy here but bear with me I do have a point), now he has no idea what they look like as their hair is all covered up and they're wearing big voluminous baggy skirts and long sleeves. Thinking this is odd he asks around and is told they must now dress like this by law, as must the female local-government workers. Hmm, that's a change he thinks.

Well it's early doors so he decides to pick up a bottle of whiskey from the local supermarket like he used to, the clerk wonders what on earth he's talking about, they haven't been allowed to sell booze in ages. Oh, then I'll pop across to Circle K to pick up a few Bintangs instead, oops, sorry mister we can't sell beer here in West Java, it's against the law now.

He goes back to his hotel and wonders what has happened to the Bandung he used to know, no doubt he will still strike lucky tonight in some bar or club but he just wonders, given the way things are going, whether it would even be worth coming back in ten years time.

It's all incremental and I can see similar things in Jakarta (only last week my local Giant supermarket stopped selling beer, the old days of picking up nice girls on the Busway are gone now that we have gender-segregated buses), they successfully banned Vimeo, how long before the dating sites and Tinder join the list? If I asked whether in ten years time Jakarta will be more like Bandung today, or Bandung will be more like Jakarta ten years ago, I think we all know what the answer would be.

Like I say, the Taliban are not at the gates but things are getting tighter and tighter, a little bit here, a little bit there, so slowly you might not notice it, but in my opinion the future is clear.

But ignore me, I'm just an old misery guts.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1641877]The guy who ran it was an Arab-Indonesian and his family owned the land with his uncle providing the financing, he wanted to revamp and expand the place but his uncle who had gone on the haj was very unhappy about being involved in the business and insisted that the place be shut down. The nephew did his best to try and keep it going but eventually conceded and the place folded.[/QUOTE]I don't know if I buy that, and I could be wrong. But the place is open for 20 years, and when they don't have many customers anymore they finally decide to close it due to religious reasons? If those guys were so religious, why would they keep those places open during the most sacred month of Ramadan. Both JJ's and Tanamur used to be open during Ramadan back in the old days. I was in JJ's once during Ramadan when a bus of "ninja" protesters drove up and the guys got out carrying machetes. They chased everyone out of JJ's, trashed the place, and closed it. But it was open again soon enough. They didn't hurt anyone that night, but I didn't go back there until after Ramadan. I do believe they opened again though before Ramadan was over. After that event, I used to joke with the taxis to take me to JJ's and they would always say "big problem, JJ's. are you sure you want to go there?". haha. Those places stayed popular at the time and didn't close down for another 6 or 7 years after that. I personally think if they could have been assured to make money, they would have likely revamped those places regardless of their religious preferences. They used to have close to a monopoly on late late night fun in Jakarta. However, Stadium was tough to compete with and My Bar had taken most of the expat late night business by then. I'm not sure Tanamur would have been a success even with renovations.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1641877]
Note Stadium is now closed, as is Today Country before it, and neither will reopen, now in each case you can say that they shut for different reasons but when I say Jakarta is changing I mean the free-wheeling, easy-going place of the past will be gone. The small-time, free-lance places where you can relax and have fun scattered across town will be gone.
[/QUOTE]Both of those places were nice, small (I think only one 747 could fit inside), slow paced places with no mamasans bothering you every minute (at least they would leave you alone for one or two minutes each hour), well lit so you could easily see the girls (provided you carried a flashlight), and you could have a beer and a good chat because the music wasn't too loud (once you went to the shagging rooms). Relaxing is a perfect description for both Stadium and Today's Country. Well, at least I always felt relaxed when I got home after visiting those places. They will be missed.

Seriously though, I get your point. I do agree with you that the fairly recent influx of more organized big places like Malioboro, Classic and others are starting to control the market and will likely drive the smaller places out of business eventually for the most part. Kind of like when Delta came around, it caused most of the small little places to go under. I miss going to La Luna, but it's bankrupt now. Number 65 there was absolutely awesome. Damn Delta Spa. And the hangout spots are going more and more up market like immigrant, dragon fly, cloud, etc. Jakarta is not the old place we used to know back in the days of the Green Pub and when the Hard Rock was in Sarinah. Remember when you could go to Hard Rock, take a right as soon as you walk in and sit at the bar there and pick up girls for an early shag right after work? That doesn't happen at the Hard Rock anymore now that it's in Pacific Place. Hell, I don't know of any place in Jakarta like that anymore.

It would seem that I will find myself in Jakarta for the Christmas-New Year period. I'm wondering if any of the more experienced members of this forum could provide an insight into the scene at that time of the year? Does Jakarta generally "close down" for that period of time?

Any thoughts on a forced trip that time of the year would also be appreciated.

Thanks.

Styk.

After a few months in Indonesia having experienced and written about the Jakarta scene, reading the forum inspired me to try the dating websites.

I had one bad experience in Jakarta where the women showed up on the date with her friend. Perhaps I should have seen that one coming, but I did not. We went to dinner at Burger King. Their choice after walking the food court at the mall. And they ordered 2 each of everything they wanted. My bill went from 50 k for me to 250 k after they were done. Of course in Bahasa I had no idea what was going on. I stopped the sale and started over. Got it down to 180 k rupiah.

Went back to the hotel and she talked about staying over. The 3 of us sat in my room for a short while and we agreed to meet tomorrow and she wanted to stay the night. Great.

Next day I get a text and a demand for $120 USD in cash for her to go shopping if she is staying the night. I politely declined saying I was looking for a girlfriend, not a hooker.

That was my crazy night out at the Glass House, Maribaya and CJ's reported earlier.

I have 62 interests from the website, but only 1 really interested me. So we connect 2 weeks ago and chat. The positives are she is cute in a GND sort of way and has a very cheerful upbeat disposition.

I work in Central Java and she is from North Sumatra. I suggest if she wants to meet she must come here. She says ok. After a week of chatting, I buy plane and train tickets at a cost of 2. 5 million.

I have now discovered that she is recovering from a bad breakup 5 months ago with a boyfriend who cheated. Claims she wants to meet, but I must "inspire" her to get over the old love. Today, she says she has no sexual desire at all and that if we are to get into bed together, I must inspire her now and send sexual messages (dirty talk) by Whatsapp. Not used to this, I Google dirty talk and get a webpage with 50 great lines, some of which I use. Seems to work great. She is talking dirty back and says she is really horny. She has some great lines of her own. Then I get the clincher. When we meet, I have to work really hard because it takes her an hour or more to cum.

Yikes. I've had a few of those woman in my life who can't seem to orgasm and never really enjoyed it. Seemed more like work than pleasure.

I am trying to decide if it is worth the effort or not, I also detect a just a small bit of selfishness in the things she says & does with me in communication.

Usually I am very decisive about things like this, but this one is too close to call.

What do you think? Should I keep the date and chalk it up to life experience or should I try to get a refund on the tickets (Lion Air) and just have fun in Jakarta again sometime soon. I only have a few opportunities left to visit Jakarta before I am gone for good so I don't want to waste it on a bad experience.

Thanks for the advice.

Traveler

[QUOTE=Stykler;1642220]It would seem that I will find myself in Jakarta for the Christmas-New Year period. I'm wondering if any of the more experienced members of this forum could provide an insight into the scene at that time of the year? Does Jakarta generally "close down" for that period of time?

Any thoughts on a forced trip that time of the year would also be appreciated.

Thanks.

Styk.[/QUOTE]Indonesia is over 90% muslim and that percentage is even higher among working girls. Most Indonesians don't even celebrate Christmas for the most part so it's a non issue. Everything will be open. Many Jakarta expats will go to Bali or home to their own country at that time, so although the same number of girls will be in Jakarta, there is less competition from the guys during that period. The only problem at that time is New Year's eve. The traffic in Jakarta that night around Monas and Ancol is horrible. Avoid those areas that night and it's fine.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;1642310]After a few months in Indonesia having experienced and written about the Jakarta scene, reading the forum inspired me to try the dating websites.
What do you think? Should I keep the date and chalk it up to life experience or should I try to get a refund on the tickets (Lion Air) and just have fun in Jakarta again sometime soon. I only have a few opportunities left to visit Jakarta before I am gone for good so I don't want to waste it on a bad experience.
Thanks for the advice.
Traveler[/QUOTE]It's a coin toss. She might be a winner or she might be the opposite. Also, you didn't say how long she would be staying. If she is coming in for a day or 2, you can try it out and hopefully it will be great.
On the other hand, you have been there for awhile and you know what other options available to you. So if you enjoy the other options, you could go that route. At least you know where the money will go.

If you do decide to keep the date, have a backup plan (just in case). Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1642359]Indonesia is over 90% muslim and that percentage is even higher among working girls. Most Indonesians don't even celebrate Christmas for the most part so it's a non issue. Everything will be open. Many Jakarta expats will go to Bali or home to their own country at that time, so although the same number of girls will be in Jakarta, there is less competition from the guys during that period. The only problem at that time is New Year's eve. The traffic in Jakarta that night around Monas and Ancol is horrible. Avoid those areas that night and it's fine.[/QUOTE]Hi Smoothy. Thanks for your response and sound advice. I'm now looking forward to my enforced visit.

Most grateful.

Styk.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;1642310] I work in Central Java and she is from North Sumatra. [/QUOTE]For me, this would be an easy decision: I would much rather prefer a Javanese than a Batak.

Bule2004.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1642219]
Seriously though, I get your point.... Jakarta is not the old place we used to know back in the days of the Green Pub and when the Hard Rock was in Sarinah. Remember when you could go to Hard Rock, take a right as soon as you walk in and sit at the bar there and pick up girls for an early shag right after work? That doesn't happen at the Hard Rock anymore now that it's in Pacific Place. Hell, I don't know of any place in Jakarta like that anymore.[/QUOTE]I think you're on to something, what is happening is not some sort of sinister takeover as might have been implied by my overly pessimistic post but more a simple fact that we will all have to get used to and that is that Indonesia, and Jakarta in particular, is simply getting more "respectable".

We all hanker back to the, if not quite wild-west days, then days when people had more to bother them in Indonesia than what a bunch of bules and their hangers-on were doing.

Hard Rock Cafe was a great place when the only people who went there were bar girls and expats, but now nice middle-class Indonesians, perfectly reasonably, want to enjoy the nice places and take their kids there or allow their daughters to go there at night, so the scene needed to be cleaned up. So it was when no respectable Indonesians drank alcohol, only bules did or the low-class punks drinking hooch, as soon as middle-class kids started hanging out at Seven-11 the authorities start worrying they're drinking beer so it has to be clamped down on. Ditto internet porn, when it was restricted to the people who could afford expensive internet costs no one cared, only when all the kids can get it do the authorities feel they need to crack down.

When people become middle class they become more socially conservative. Look at Surabaya, it used to be second only to Jakarta for fun and games, now they love their Mayor there, a middle-aged jilbab wearing woman, but what precisely has she achieved? Well nothing really other than shutting Dolly red-light district and banning the sale of beer, ostensibly to stop kids drinking hooch, because as we all know the best way to stop people drinking hooch is to ban the sale of well-produced legal booze.

This is the future for Indonesia, the crazy old days are past and aren't coming back.

That's why I say Jakarta will become more like Malaysia, the trade will be limited to certain zones and run in strictly controlled ways, you'll have no difficulty getting what you want provided you are willing to go to specific areas to get specific regulated products, but the swinging free and easy days will be over.

It's progress I suppose and from an Indonesian point of view it must be good to see the country developing but I will still hanker after the older days, the more care-free days of wild abandon when Indonesia appeared to be an untamed frontier, somewhere only headcases would want to go, and not the nice sensible -dare one say it boring?- place it is becoming.

Appreciate the thinking that goes into your posts HL77. And I think your summary of where Indonesia is heading is probably bang on although rest assured it has still got so much going for it. Enjoyment is always relative, ask the Afghan who cracks a fat at the sight of some bare ankles. Jakarta for those who live outside the country is still such a tremendously fun place to visit. Will that experience diminish over time as all those shitbox dives full of Kampung ayam that this correspondent loves get hunted down? Probably. Isn't it the law of diminishing returns?

But rest assured, Jakarta is still so outrageous that if my poor old church of Scotland mum knew the shit that I can get up to in Jakarta, it would spin her brain off.

Which brings me to my latest project, have got a sweet 20 yo, needs money. Will try 3 some but is scared of anal. OS has promised it will not hurt. Anyone want to play DP who can share costs. Need to have around 1. 5 jt, some real MDMA and be prepared to treat this girl respectfully. PM interest.

Best regards.

OS.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1642660]I think you're on to something, what is happening is not some sort of sinister takeover as might have been implied by my overly pessimistic post but more a simple fact that we will all have to get used to and that is that Indonesia, and Jakarta in particular, is simply getting more "respectable".

We all hanker back to the, if not quite wild-west days, then days when people had more to bother them in Indonesia than what a bunch of bules and their hangers-on were doing.

Hard Rock Cafe was a great place when the only people who went there were bar girls and expats, but now nice middle-class Indonesians, perfectly reasonably, want to enjoy the nice places and take their kids there or allow their daughters to go there at night, so the scene needed to be cleaned up. So it was when no respectable Indonesians drank alcohol, only bules did or the low-class punks drinking hooch, as soon as middle-class kids started hanging out at Seven-11 the authorities start worrying they're drinking beer so it has to be clamped down on. Ditto internet porn, when it was restricted to the people who could afford expensive internet costs no one cared, only when all the kids can get it do the authorities feel they need to crack down..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;1642815] Jakarta for those who live outside the country is still such a tremendously fun place to visit. Will that experience diminish over time as all those shitbox dives full of Kampung ayam that this correspondent loves get hunted down? Probably. Isn't it the law of diminishing returns?
[/QUOTE]Interesting discussion. One thing I have noticed, many of the ways to find fun have moved online. I wonder what impact the internet has on the types of mongering places you describe? On my last trip to Jakarta, I did not go to any of the places that are often written about here (BATS / CJs / Blok M etc) instead I simply used the internet to have girls come and meet me at my hotel. I had more girls wanting to come see me than I could handle, and met a couple of gems that I will keep in touch with. Definitely get some duds too this way, but there are ways to weed out as many of them as possible.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;1642815] Anyone want to play DP.[/QUOTE]As they say in Scotland, you take the high road and I'll take the low road.

What would Pastor MacDougall think of all that?

I suspect you're going to have a full mailbox very soon.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;1642310]
What do you think? Should I keep the date and chalk it up to life experience or should I try to get a refund on the tickets (Lion Air) and just have fun in Jakarta again sometime soon. I only have a few opportunities left to visit Jakarta before I am gone for good so I don't want to waste it on a bad experience.
[/QUOTE]Sounds like you are importing her to where you work, so this will not take away one of your chances to have fun in Jakarta right? If this is taking up one of your chances to go to Jakarta, run away screaming.

Otherwise if all you have to lose is the cost of the transport, I would go ahead with it, but don't be afraid to kick her out if she doesn't put out. Be quite upfront about what you expect before she gets there. Run through what you like to do in bed with her and make sure she is up for it. I love anal, so I always make sure the girls know that and when they arrive at my hotel they know they are going to take it in the ass. Get her on video camera and get her to take some clothes off so you can see what you are signing up for. Don't believe most of the story she is giving you, and make sure you give her back an equally made up story to protect your real identity / location whatever. If she turns out to be an absolute nutter, you don't want her to be able to find you again.

I spoke to JAD last week and he informed me of the change in his life. It is sad for us, yet we should also be happy that he finds his own way in his life. I will still meet him for coffee and a good chat and wish him all the best in whatever he lends his hand at doing. I too took his nightlife tour about 10 years ago, and never looked back. Between JAD and some members I met here, I learnt a lot about Jakarta and Indonesian women. I hope to meet with both JAD and Menteng towards the end of the year or early next year. Cheers bros.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;1642310]I work in Central Java and she is from North Sumatra. I suggest if she wants to meet she must come here. She says ok. After a week of chatting, I buy plane and train tickets at a cost of 2. 5 million.

I have now discovered that she is recovering from a bad breakup 5 months ago with a boyfriend who cheated. Claims she wants to meet, but I must "inspire" her to get over the old love. Today, she says she has no sexual desire at all and that if we are to get into bed together, I must inspire her now and send sexual messages (dirty talk) by Whatsapp. Not used to this, I Google dirty talk and get a webpage with 50 great lines, some of which I use. Seems to work great. She is talking dirty back and says she is really horny. She has some great lines of her own. Then I get the clincher. When we meet, I have to work really hard because it takes her an hour or more to cum.

Yikes. I've had a few of those woman in my life who can't seem to orgasm and never really enjoyed it. Seemed more like work than pleasure.

I am trying to decide if it is worth the effort or not, I also detect a just a small bit of selfishness in the things she says & does with me in communication.

Usually I am very decisive about things like this, but this one is too close to call.

What do you think? Should I keep the date and chalk it up to life experience or should I try to get a refund on the tickets (Lion Air) and just have fun in Jakarta again sometime soon. I only have a few opportunities left to visit Jakarta before I am gone for good so I don't want to waste it on a bad experience.
Traveler[/QUOTE]I'd give it a shot if the finances are ok with you. The worst situation is you put her up in some hotel then send her back. I'm just surprised you had to Google dirty talk. I've had a few who take time to orgasm but are crazily into it all the way. I wouldn't let that put me off but, if you don't like the idea, don't do it. From my own fishing on dating sites, I've had a lot of bites from Central Java, so I'm wondering how come you've found nothing there. It seems to ridiculously easy to find women from Bali, Sulawesi, Kalimantan, the whole of Java and Sumatra. I'm sorry, why don't I say almost anywhere in Indonesia. I'd really check what's available nearby too. Incidentally, it's sad to hear anyone say that they'll be leaving for good; make the best of your forays to Jakarta and don't waste a minute. I don't know why you say you're leaving for good, but it certainly can't be good for maintaining your libido levels. Have fun and best of luck.

I've also learned that while it's nice to meet the occasional 9/10, I've found myself much happier with the cute 7/10 girl next door types; the trouble is we're all hounds and can't resist the siren call of those 9's now and then. The thing is that the best sex I had last trip to Jakarta was with a 41 year old (age range of the women I met was between 24 - 41) who clearly wanted to put forward her case for being desirable in bed. She works out at the gym at least three times a week and wants to prove that despite her age, she's a match for any woman. Ah good times. I will see her next trip, but I have yet another lot queued up from the dating sites too.

So yes things change. Things are made more difficult, yet easier if we go with the flow. As the French say, "Plus ca change, plus see'est la meme". I first came to Jakarta in 1997 and foolishly didn't become a regular visitor until 2003 (why did I even wait until 1997 in the first place? I had allowed my friends to drag me to Medan on regular "boys" trips (not to say that this was without pleasure). Nonetheless, once I was hooked, I've been like an addict waiting for his next fix. Things have changed from 1998 to 2003 to 2014; I've been to a lot of the clubs, bars and karaokes (D's, Top Gun, MyBar, CJs, BATS, TigaPuluh, Red Square, Delilah, Three Horse, Today Country, Stadium, NuChina, Immigran, Dragonfly, Cosmos, Zen, 1001) through that period, and although some places have since closed (a moment of silence please gents as we respect the passing of some truly entertaining outlets) other, some may say, inferior outlets have sprung up to fill the void. The thing is that, at least to me, the nature of finding women has also changed. Many have shifted to electronic means of hunting, so it's not that the women aren't around anymore, it's just that you have to hunt for them differently and adapt a new process to wean out the ones you're not interested in. I now make dates rather than go to bars; it's easier on my stomach, liver and ears, which can only be good for my health. I actually get to become friends with quite a few of them; since a lot of them are educated (including doctors, lawyers, dentists, bankers etc) you can actually have a decent conversation with them. Maybe it's because I used to look for women in their early 20's whereas now, I find those in their late 20's much more interesting. Either way that's it, I'll admit I don't know how to stop coming here. Things will change, but we can adapt (or perhaps we ourselves change).

MD II.

[QUOTE=MasterDiverII;1643428]
I've also learned that while it's nice to meet the occasional 9/10, I've found myself much happier with the cute 7/10 girl next door types; the trouble is we're all hounds and can't resist the siren call of those 9's now and then. The thing is that the best sex I had last trip to Jakarta was with a 41 year old (age range of the women I met was between 24 - 41) who clearly wanted to put forward her case for being desirable in bed. She works out at the gym at least three times a week and wants to prove that despite her age, she's a match for any woman. Ah good times. I will see her next trip, but I have yet another lot queued up from the dating sites too.[/QUOTE]I hear you there. I try to set up age filters on the dating sites between 25 to 45, as I have also had some amazing experiences with early 40's Jakarta ladies. Sometimes when the little head has not had enough attention lately I go looking for the 9/10 girl who is still only 18 years old, but usually after making contact I remember what a hassle they are and sever contact. One memorable girl from my last trip was late 30's with an absolutely enormous set of natural tits. She had kids and some extra weight around the middle but she loved her tits being played with and my cock surging between them was a sight to behold.

Another girl from my last trip who I thought was an experienced bar girl turned out to be a sweet late 20's girl with a normal job who had been dumped by an expat who ran away. As I got to know her better I realised that she is not a bar girl, but had been trained by the expat before he ran away, so her bedroom skills were much higher than you would expect from a 'regular' girl with a day job. So I have stayed in contact with her and we will be friends unless she gets clingy or starts requesting cash when I am not in town.

[QUOTE=MasterDiverII;1643428]I spoke to JAD last week and he informed me of the change in his life. It is sad for us, yet we should also be happy that he finds his own way in his life. I will still meet him for coffee and a good chat and wish him all the best in whatever he lends his hand at doing. I too took his nightlife tour about 10 years ago, and never looked back. Between JAD and some members I met here, I learnt a lot about Jakarta and Indonesian women. I hope to meet with both JAD and Menteng towards the end of the year or early next year. Cheers bros.
MD II.[/QUOTE]I'm sure we will meet, bro, and I do hope JAD will be present too. But I'm afraid we will not be able to reminisce about the past.

When I first "met" him through his own website, WorldSG, I thought I knew the mongering scene in Jakarta and vicinities well. But one evening, he invited me for a trip to the Daan Mogot area, together with Mighty Spearsman, and proved me wrong!

I wish him peace in mind!

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1641766]I came to Jakarta for the first time in 1991 and at that time the Hotmen Bar was quite famous. The name was just an abbreviation of the hotels' name, Hotel Menteng, but it was very appropriate. It was loaded with "self employed young women", as they were called at the time and was very popular with expats. I remember taking quite a number of SYT's back to my hotel (Kartika Plaza, ah! Memories.) The next time I came to Jakarta, in 1995, the Hotmen Bar had degenerated into a meeting place for the gay community and I switched to Blok M. The Tambora was in full swing then.

Funny that nobody else remembers the Hotmen Bar.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]There were 3 Hotmen bar clubs. Is it HM I you remember? HM II was for Arabs and Arab Girls near Pasar Cikini, seem to remember HM III was for the school kid discos. They were all in the vicinity of Gondangdia one of the mongering zones that flourished from the 1940's the other one being Princen Park. Chaiul Anwar wrote his poems in the bars and clubs of Gondangdia. HotMen I was certainly in my top 5, as you could pick up a girl and take her into your car for sex then go back and finish your drink (which they kept cold for you). No one hassled you to take a room back then.

Hotmen I is also where Iwan Fals is rumoured to have got his inspiration for the song Lonteku, which must be the only song that openly sings about Indonesian prostitution played on TV.

My best night at HM I was in about 1993 when a stunning model type with an amazing rack walked in crossed the dance floor and dragged me of my bar stool. Her breasts defied gravity and only later in the evening I discovered why. Her rich cendana boyfriend had forced her to abort late in her term the week before. The operation, or its consequences had made her incredibly horny.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1643454]a trip to the Daan Mogot area[/QUOTE]Unless I missed some places that might have been nicer, that area is too down market for me. There might be some very cheap places to go and some nice young girls, but being a bule, I don't feel comfortable in the places I've been. Any recommendations in that area of a place that a bule might feel a bit more comfortable?

[QUOTE=UsPete;1643484]There were 3 Hotmen bar clubs. Is it HM I you remember? <SNIP> [/QUOTE]Yes, that's the one. Pretty dark inside and music at hurricane level, but you could see where you were going and, more importantly, you could see the girls.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1643484]Her breasts defied gravity and only later in the evening I discovered why. Her rich cendana boyfriend had forced her to abort late in her term the week before. The operation, or its consequences had made her incredibly horny.[/QUOTE]As abortion is illegal in Indonesia, I always had the notion it would be some dodgy back-room procedure with an unsterilized coat hanger. But this is quite an interesting read from the Jakarta post. [URL]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/02/20/abortion-today-still-secret-easy-find.html.[/URL] By coincidence, Jalan Raden, I think that was not too far from the old Hotmen bars?

Recently I had a minor situation with a girl I met on DIA. I don't have much sex with girls I meet on DIA, but this one had traveled all the way from Bandung, had taken days off from work just to meet, etc. I kind of felt obliged. Anyway, the morning after pill is called Postinor in Indonesia, but it is very hard to come by.

May be it can be found online, but by the time it will arrive via the mail it will fail the idea of morning-after. We could not find it in any of the chemists near Sarinah. We visited 4, nor could she find it in Bandung where she asked for it in 3 different apotiks. Eventually she resorted to the internet advice of taking 4 regular pills at once, which did the trick, thankfully.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1643560]Unless I missed some places that might have been nicer, that area is too down market for me. There might be some very cheap places to go and some nice young girls, but being a bule, I don't feel comfortable in the places I've been. Any recommendations in that area of a place that a bule might feel a bit more comfortable?[/QUOTE]Too downmarket? I suppose you've never been to Kramat Tunggak or Boker then? Anyway, I don't know if it's still there, but I think Lipstick would be ok. But you had to pick the girl from photos at the reception.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1643443]I hear you there. I try to set up age filters on the dating sites between 25 to 45, as I have also had some amazing experiences with early 40's Jakarta ladies. Sometimes when the little head has not had enough attention lately I go looking for the 9/10 girl who is still only 18 years old, but usually after making contact I remember what a hassle they are and sever contact. One memorable girl from my last trip was late 30's with an absolutely enormous set of natural tits. She had kids and some extra weight around the middle but she loved her tits being played with and my cock surging between them was a sight to behold.
[/QUOTE]I have to agree with you there - although enormous tits are not a must for me (I'm more into the responsive nipple kind, especially the pencil erasers:D). I'm finding really interesting propspects with the late 20's and early 30's lot. I'm struggling to make sure I don't get too distracted with their chats arriving on whatsapp and BBM. I haven't even planned my next travel dates, but I know my free time schedule will already be filled to the max. The trick is to fill in the slots during normal working hours; you need to find those working during slightly odd hours or students (hotel workers, karaoke / club receptionists, doctors, nurses etc). Damn, I'm getting J town withdrawal symptoms now - and withdrawal is really the operative word.
[QUOTE=Menteng;1643454]I'm sure we will meet, bro, and I do hope JAD will be present too. But I'm afraid we will not be able to reminisce about the past.
I wish him peace in mind![/QUOTE]
I'm sure we can arrange to meet with him bro. Reminiscing shouldn't be a problem for him, and it's always a pleasure to meet with you. We'll be in touch, I have your whatsapp anyway, and we can confirm our timing. I hope to make at least two, and hopefully three or four trips during the time you're in town.
MD II.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1643822]Too downmarket? I suppose you've never been to Kramat Tunggak or Boker then? Anyway, I don't know if it's still there, but I think Lipstick would be ok. But you had to pick the girl from photos at the reception.[/QUOTE]It's been years since I went to that area and I honestly can't remember the name of any particular place there. The places I went to either had photos at reception or girls seated in a dark karaoke area. I'm not a fan of either of those type of setups, but will checkout Lipstick when I have a chance. It's always fun to check out new places. Not that this has anything to do with anything, but I used to enjoy the old Tabloid called Lipstick. Even shagged a few girls who posed for it. I miss those old tabloids.

Maybe you can replace JAD as the tour guide for Jakarta when you get back in town?

[QUOTE=MasterDiverII;1643824]I have to agree with you there - although enormous tits are not a must for me (I'm more into the responsive nipple kind, especially the pencil erasers:D). I'm finding really interesting propspects with the late 20's and early 30's lot. I'm struggling to make sure I don't get too distracted with their chats arriving on whatsapp and BBM. I haven't even planned my next travel dates, but I know my free time schedule will already be filled to the max. The trick is to fill in the slots during normal working hours; you need to find those working during slightly odd hours or students (hotel workers, karaoke / club receptionists, doctors, nurses etc). Damn, I'm getting J town withdrawal symptoms now - and withdrawal is really the operative word.
[/QUOTE]The enormous tits were an added bonus, I had seen them beforehand on Skype, but they were even bigger in person. That particular encounter she came to my hotel at about 9 am. I had the morning free and she works a rotating shift job. I went off to my afternoon work meetings with a smile on my face and she went home and slept before her night shift where I rotated in another girl after my afternoon meetings. Its just too easy in that town, I can't help myself.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1643869]
Maybe you can replace JAD as the tour guide for Jakarta when you get back in town?[/QUOTE]I've been away too long to know the current hotspots and, reading your FR's, I think you would be an excellent one.

I would think Knight would be a good tour guide. I haven't seen him post around here in a long time, but I'm pretty sure he's still coming to Jakarta on occasion.

[QUOTE=JoelGoodsen;1643727]As abortion is illegal in Indonesia, I always had the notion it would be some dodgy back-room procedure with an unsterilized coat hanger. [/QUOTE]Is that true? Had one back in 1992 at a private hospital, all legit and aboveboard?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1644216]I would think Knight would be a good tour guide. I haven't seen him post around here in a long time, but I'm pretty sure he's still coming to Jakarta on occasion.[/QUOTE]Are we thinking of the same gent? If so, he's now in a neighboring country running a house of ill-repute! :D

I have been wondering why Blok M is called that and not something else. I knew it was introduced by Soekarno, but that was it. I wonder no more. Recently I came across an old Jakarta city map, from the 60's judging by the adverts, which included a small map of Kebayoran. This little map showed all the Bloks and included a list of streets per Blok.

This list is strange, since it states that Jalan Felatehan is in Blok K, but I will let you see for yourself.

I hope the two files are legible after resizing.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1643484]There were 3 Hotmen bar clubs. Is it HM I you remember? HM II was for Arabs and Arab Girls near Pasar Cikini, seem to remember HM III was for the school kid discos. They were all in the vicinity of Gondangdia one of the mongering zones that flourished from the 1940's the other one being Princen Park. Chaiul Anwar wrote his poems in the bars and clubs of Gondangdia. HotMen I was certainly in my top 5, as you could pick up a girl and take her into your car for sex then go back and finish your drink (which they kept cold for you). No one hassled you to take a room back then.
[/QUOTE]Delayed reaction, but never mind. I never knew there were 3 Hotmen bars. The explanation for the name was perfectly logical for me, given the Indonesian love for abbreviations, so I didn't give it another thought. In 1991 the people who introduced me to the Jakarta nightlife only talked about the bar in Hotel Menteng I. You're never too old to learn.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1644265]Is that true? Had one back in 1992 at a private hospital, all legit and aboveboard?[/QUOTE]I don't know about 1992, Traveler. But I assume it would have been the same? Obviously I am not a legal expert, just a simple guy with a hobby. But the way I understand it, is that abortion is prohibited in Indonesia, unless there are circumstances of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or the health of the mother is in danger.

I can see below that the link to that Jakarta post article got corrupted. Just type in Google Indonesia the key phrase " Abortion Indonesia " and it will take you to it.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1644265]Is that true? Had one back in 1992 at a private hospital, all legit and aboveboard?[/QUOTE]Recent changes to legislation allow for an abortion for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] victims within the first 40 days. However, it's pretty much open knowledge that they abortions are available, heck, there are people touting for the clinics along Jl Raden Saleh in Cikini.

[QUOTE=Stykler;1642220]It would seem that I will find myself in Jakarta for the Christmas-New Year period. I'm wondering if any of the more experienced members of this forum could provide an insight into the scene at that time of the year? Does Jakarta generally "close down" for that period of time?

Any thoughts on a forced trip that time of the year would also be appreciated.

Thanks.

Styk.[/QUOTE]Stykler read you post about Jakarta in December I will be there, as well during this period, as usual. As Smoothy said all is a go, but girls weren't as abundant in Blok M last year as I have seen previously.

Send me a PM if you wani to meet.

[QUOTE=JoelGoodsen;1643727]As abortion is illegal in Indonesia, I always had the notion it would be some dodgy back-room procedure with an unsterilized coat hanger. But this is quite an interesting read from the Jakarta post. [URL]http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/02/20/abortion-today-still-secret-easy-find.html.[/URL] By coincidence, Jalan Raden, I think that was not too far from the old Hotmen bars?

Recently I had a minor situation with a girl I met on DIA. I don't have much sex with girls I meet on DIA, but this one had traveled all the way from Bandung, had taken days off from work just to meet, etc. I kind of felt obliged. Anyway, the morning after pill is called Postinor in Indonesia, but it is very hard to come by.

May be it can be found online, but by the time it will arrive via the mail it will fail the idea of morning-after. We could not find it in any of the chemists near Sarinah. We visited 4, nor could she find it in Bandung where she asked for it in 3 different apotiks. Eventually she resorted to the internet advice of taking 4 regular pills at once, which did the trick, thankfully.[/QUOTE]I've found out over the years that nearly all the WGs and even some civilians take birth control pills on regular basis, and they won't tell you. The reason is very simple, the local guys never use condoms. Ask any of the Kota girls or freelancers at BATS / CJs etc. To show you their handbag and you'll find a pack of Dianne birth control pills.

In any case, morning after pills and a sort of traditional medicine whose name I forgot are really not that hard to find here in Jakarta. For example, those stalls selling Viagra in Mangga Besar also have these pills for sale.

If a WG gets pregnant chances are she didn't have money at the time to buy those pills and waited too late until the abortion got expensive or she freaked out at the idea of aborting.

On the other hand sometimes with civilians they intentionally try to get pregnant so they can get a mixed baby. Purely nothing to gain financially. I'm sure at least a few other expats know what I'm talking about.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1616924]Reminds me of the great PA I had. ... Love the PA's. ![/QUOTE]OK, Guys. "PA" isn't in the abbreviations list.

Urban Dictionary has about 37 definitions, none of which seem to apply.

Can a clueless one get a clue?

[QUOTE=WombatEd2;1645006]OK, Guys. "PA" isn't in the abbreviations list.

Urban Dictionary has about 37 definitions, none of which seem to apply.

Can a clueless one get a clue?[/QUOTE]I'm guessing personal assistant, also known as EA for executive assistant or aka secretary.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1644606]I've found out over the years that nearly all the WGs and even some civilians take birth control pills on regular basis, and they won't tell you. The reason is very simple, the local guys never use condoms. Ask any of the Kota girls or freelancers at BATS / CJs etc. To show you their handbag and you'll find a pack of Dianne birth control pills.[/QUOTE]That particular story refers to a non-WG. Most girls, if not all, I meet through DIA (dateinasia) are non-WG's.

But for me, you describe another reason to prefer bar girls over ordinary girls from dating sites. Apart from being a lot sexier, they are also smarter about their contraception.

BTW, Diane birth control pills are regular pills for contraception. Not morning-after. Morning after is an emergency contraceptive, it is quite different.

[QUOTE=JoelGoodsen;1645260]But for me, you describe another reason to prefer bar girls over ordinary girls from dating sites.[/QUOTE]A great portion of the so-called "ordinary girls" you see on dating sites like DIA or AsianDating are actually part-time hookers, but they won't tell you. You may recognize many faces if you are a regular at BATS, CJs.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1645534]A great portion of the so-called "ordinary girls" you see on dating sites like DIA or AsianDating are actually part-time hookers, but they won't tell you. You may recognize many faces if you are a regular at BATS, CJs.[/QUOTE]Egy, I'm afraid your interpretation of the DIA or Badoo girls is woefully wrong, I can't vouch for AsianDating as I don't like it. But having worked in previous decades as a DJ in Jakarta in both the happening North and its long past the sell-by-date South of Jakarta, which unfortunately sometimes involved acting as a germo and then in more recent times chatting to the online girls in bhs gaul I can assure you that maybe only 0. 5 % are working.

Do you really think these girls would jump on a plane from Makassar or Malang and compete with the haggard Sundal Bolong for a nights income in a sleaze pit like CJs?

The smarter DIA / online dating girls realise that the Mister Bule in Jakarta are already "contaminated" and behave outside working hours in the same manner as Indonesian cowok. The online girls are targeting overseas guys because they feel these guys may not want to participate or even know about Jakarta 's harems and harlots.

I personally enjoy the online girls platonic company but usually stop the dates around midnight then move north of Harmoni for my own pleasures.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1645694]Egy, I'm afraid your interpretation of the DIA or Badoo girls is woefully wrong, I can't vouch for AsianDating as I don't like it. But having worked in previous decades as a DJ in Jakarta in both the happening North and its long past the sell-by-date South of Jakarta, which unfortunately sometimes involved acting as a germo and then in more recent times chatting to the online girls in bhs gaul I can assure you that maybe only 0. 5 % are working..[/QUOTE]As with most things in Indonesia the surface isn't always what it seems.

Thing is they won't tell you they are part-time hookers or have had a brief stint at some point, even if they need money. You'll find out yourself if you stick with them long enough.

I'm not talking about the North discos. The kind of girls who go there aren't the types you'll find on DIA, Hi5 and whatnot.

Bottom line is if she speaks English and isn't a virgin (on the dating sites, I mean) there is a fairly high chance she is in the business. Of course, you may not find out on day one, but stay with her long enough and the clues will start coming in, especially when there are bills to pay.

I check out a few new disco in and Jarkata since Red Square and Stadium close down, I check out a new few disco Golden crown big place also have a KTV and a big disco floor mostly local many girl on Estacy very few speak english, I saw a hot girl walking in around 1 am her name is Jesse a OL working at a law firm buy her a drink she want 1. 5 juta for all night she got a hot body and speak very good english best girl in this trip and I counter 700 k she smile and decline and finally settle for 700 k for 3 HR she need to work in the morning very GFE 2 shots and BBBJ she even try to BB me cowgirl I told her to put on a condom first to be safe, I also check out Millie at Lokasari plaza and the Colliseum at kota most girl there want one Juta and up for ST price is too high I miss Stadium back in March this yr you can get girl there for 350 k ST even in Millie I got a girl there 500 k for all night early this yr now most girl want one Mil now.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1645716]As with most things in Indonesia the surface isn't always what it seems.

Thing is they won't tell you they are part-time hookers or have had a brief stint at some point, even if they need money. You'll find out yourself if you stick with them long enough.

I'm not talking about the North discos. The kind of girls who go there aren't the types you'll find on DIA, Hi5 and whatnot.

Bottom line is if she speaks English and isn't a virgin (on the dating sites, I mean) there is a fairly high chance she is in the business. Of course, you may not find out on day one, but stay with her long enough and the clues will start coming in, especially when there are bills to pay.[/QUOTE]I've been with quite a few from the dating sites and although there are WGs (who are obvious and I'll politely tell them I can refer them to some friends of mine as it's not my scene) there are a lot of true "civilians". Plenty of them are no longer virgins as they get married pretty young before getting disillusioned. Yes, I've stuck around with plenty of them, and been in touch for years with many; while there are the odd few (very much in a small minority) who do need "help" with bills, most do not. The main difference in the cost is where you take them out for dinner, and what kind of oleh oleh you end up buying: I've had everything from chocolates to perfume to jeans (range of 150 k - 1. 5 million) and they don't ask for it every time they see you. OTOH some aren't interested in any of that, and just want fun in the kamar. Which I'm all for. Oh and velvet class cinemas are a blast:D.

MD II.

Thanks to the wealth of info shared on this website, I felt confident and fully in control as I made my first trip to Jakarta. Apart from all the usual observations about traffic, immigration, money changers, food etc. , here is the summary about my experiences with the Indo ladies.

First day I took a taxi to Classic around 6 pm. I decided to go straight to the 5th floor and some real cute young dancers doing their topless dances. Very pleasing on the eye. I talked to a mami and told her what I was looking for and most importantly GFE. She paraded a few ladies and I finally settled on one. Off we go to the room and then all the rules start. No kissing on the mouth. She wanted to do a CBJ but I insisted and finally she obliged. Gave me a decent BBBJ and then a quick mush and back for some more BBBJ and I finally came in her mouth which she wasn't expecting and wasn't too happy. Oh well =).

Then I went to BATS and there was a great band playing and I must say I had a great time there drinking, dancing and flirting with a few FLs. Lots of fun and I stayed until about 1 am but decided to not pull anyone.

Next day I tried Travel. Like Classic, there seemed to be a fair number of decent looking young ladies. Again talk to the maim and this time decided to take 2. Both seemed young, voluptuous and friendly. But the same story in the room. No kissing and very opposed to BBBJ. But I got them to agree and had a decent one from one of them while I was fondling the other. Was very difficult to get them to agree to DATY as well. Came once and then got them to go for a second round, BBBJ with the other followed by a few positions and it was ok but their constant complaints to finish was a bit annoying.

Went later to Classic again and boy was I mesmerized with one of the dancers. Beautiful young thing with the most perfect natural see cup beauties that I have seen in a long time. She came over after the dance and I let my little man do the thinking and before I knew it I gad blown about 300 K on LDs for barely a 10 minute fondling and kissing of her body. As soon as I even mildly said no to her next drink she was off and that was it. Seemed like it was next to impossible to get her to go to the room. That is a shame.

Final day I went to Maibaya. I took a look at the 10 or so ladies present and no one floated my boat. Looks wise they were not that impressive. Then suddenly thus cute looking thing walked in. I made up my mind immediately and took her. Her name is Tutti. She has a decent body for a late twenties lady, slightly dark but a sweet face and a great attitude. I must say I had a blast with her. True GFE. By far the best one hour in Jakarta. I just wish more ladies would provide that type of service.

So, all in all, it was a good first trip but I missed the GFE / PSE of the ladies in BKK, although the women seemed hotter in Jakarta. I guess the next time I need to try some FLs to see how they are.

[QUOTE=SadSam;1646105]<SNIP>

Final day I went to Maibaya. I took a look at the 10 or so ladies present and no one floated my boat. Looks wise they were not that impressive. Then suddenly thus cute looking thing walked in. I made up my mind immediately and took her. Her name is Tutti. She has a decent body for a late twenties lady, slightly dark but a sweet face and a great attitude. I must say I had a blast with her. True GFE. By far the best one hour in Jakarta. I just wish more ladies would provide that type of service.

So, all in all, it was a good first trip but I missed the GFE / PSE of the ladies in BKK, although the women seemed hotter in Jakarta. I guess the next time I need to try some FLs to see how they are.[/QUOTE]Looks like you encountered Tutik (yes, I know, it is pronounced Tuti; a "k" at the end of a word is silent in Indonesian). She's a bit darker in complexion than most Maribaya girls. Can't handle alcohol but has a great attitude in bed. She has been working in Maribaya for a number of years and is still going strong. I posted a number of pictures of her in the past, if you want to relive the experience. I guess you had bad luck in timing, since there are more GFE girls there, also lookswise.

Regards,

Ko.

Is it like Alexis where you get a lineup, and can go up and change and relax in a pool / spa area with the girl?

Or is it more setup like hotel travel where you just choose and go to the room?

Cheers,

Dg

[QUOTE=SadSam;1646105]Thanks to the wealth of info shared on this website, I felt confident and fully in control as I made my first trip to Jakarta. Apart from all the usual observations about traffic, immigration, money changers, food etc. , here is the summary about my experiences with the Indo ladies.

First day I took a taxi to Classic around 6 pm. I decided to go straight to the 5th floor and some real cute young dancers doing their topless dances. Very pleasing on the eye. I talked to a mami and told her what I was looking for and most importantly GFE. She paraded a few ladies and I finally settled on one. Off we go to the room and then all the rules start. No kissing on the mouth. She wanted to do a CBJ but I insisted and finally she obliged. Gave me a decent BBBJ and then a quick mush and back for some more BBBJ and I finally came in her mouth which she wasn't expecting and wasn't too happy. Oh well =).
<SNIP>
Next day I tried Travel. Like Classic, there seemed to be a fair number of decent looking young ladies. Again talk to the maim and this time decided to take 2. Both seemed young, voluptuous and friendly. But the same story in the room. No kissing and very opposed to BBBJ. But I got them to agree and had a decent one from one of them while I was fondling the other. Was very difficult to get them to agree to DATY as well. Came once and then got them to go for a second round, BBBJ with the other followed by a few positions and it was ok but their constant complaints to finish was a bit annoying.

Went later to Classic again and boy was I mesmerized with one of the dancers. Beautiful young thing with the most perfect natural see cup beauties that I have seen in a long time. She came over after the dance and I let my little man do the thinking and before I knew it I gad blown about 300 K on LDs for barely a 10 minute fondling and kissing of her body. As soon as I even mildly said no to her next drink she was off and that was it. Seemed like it was next to impossible to get her to go to the room. That is a shame.
<SNIP>
[/QUOTE]Sorry to read about a not overly successful trip, apart from the old faithful Maribaya.

Looks like you relied a bit too much on one of the persistent trolls on this forum, FE48, who only writes about Travel and Classic although many posters by now seriously doubt if he has ever been there, if he has ever visited Jakarta at all. Should you want to re-visit Jakarta you're better off reading the posts of OS, MD II, MS, Smoothy and some others for serious tips. Sending PM's also comes in handy.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=Dg1980;1648196]Is it like Alexis where you get a lineup, and can go up and change and relax in a pool / spa area with the girl?

Or is it more setup like hotel travel where you just choose and go to the room?

Cheers,

Dg[/QUOTE]It's like Hotel Travel. You choose, and go to the room. But the rooms at Malioboro are nice, Hotel Travel rooms are shit.

Hi All,

Just got back from a trip to Jakarta. First off, thanks to all the contributors, especially mighty spearman for his advice about Kartika. I was going to use the service of jad until I heard he isn't doing his touring anymore. After reading back to the start of the year, I think I did okay.

The hardest thing about going someplace new, even with a map, it's hard to tell what area and how far places are.

I decided to stay at the Century Park Hotel in Senyanan. It is more to the south, but using the Transjakarta bus, getting from place to place wasn't to bad. Also note, I'am not a late night person, so the bus was very convenient. Yes, traffic in Jakarta, is as bad as everyone says.

Before leaving, I made a schedule of all the places I wanted to go to. I did leave room for any adjustments. I was there for seven day's but on the seventh day, my flight left early so couldn't partake on that day. Here is the list of places I wanted to go to. Almost forgot, I flew one day to Yogyakarta and visit the huge Buddist and Hindu temples. Very impressive. Anyways, here is my list:

Maribaya, Alexis, Malioboro, Classic, Kartika, Emporvium, Kings's Cross, Top Gun, the's place, Bats, and Cj's.

I arrived Monday Nov. 17th, around 16:00. Got my voa and luggage and headed for the bluebird taxi line. Passed all of the taxi bandits and got in a long line for Bluebird. After 30 minutes, I get into the taxi bound for the hotel. Took about 50 minutes and cost around $160,000 rps with tolls included. Check in was a breeze and the room was okay. Nothing fancy but still good and roomy. While unpacking, I notice I forgot to bring my pair of dress shoes. That left bat's and cj's out. But again, I'am not a late nice person but it would have been nice just to see these places.

My favorite place to play is Brazil and the big clubs here, reminded me of the big night clubs of Sao Paulo. With the exception that the girls there get to roam around and mingle and the clubs here, basically the girls stay in their designated areas. What they both have in common, nice accommodations, food and drinks, lockers, and most of all many beautiful girls. Most of the girls of Jakarta on average from what I saw, were younger than the girls you would see in the Brazilian nightclubs. Both are awesome experiences. One big difference I did notice about the clubs in Jakarta vs. Brazil. All the girls of Jakarta knew my name (mister) LOL. For those that have never been to Jakarta, you will get it when you are here. Following will be a day by day diary of my first trip to Jakarta. Some might be long, so for you vet's. Alot of this will be stuff you already know.

After arriving, I exchanged $100.00 usd at the airport. The exchange rate was $11,900 rps to the dollar. Later after checking into the hotel, I changed $200.00 usd at the Dua Sisi money exchange booth in Plaza Senayan. Their rate was $12,110 to the dollars, so much better than the airport. I believe they have outlets in other malls in Jakarta. The plan for today, Maribaya and some shopping at Pasaraya.

This plan went down the drain quick. After exchanging money, I stopped at a place called la Luca for some dinner. While waiting for my food, I almost fell asleep at the table. I left L. A. At midnight 05 Sunday morning, which meant I had to be at the airport Saturday night. My flight was 12 hours from L. A. To Tokyo, with a 5 hour layover. Then another 7 and a half hours from Tokyo to Jakarta. It wouldn't have been so bad but I have a hard time sleeping on an airplane. So I arrive on a Monday and with no sleep for more than 24 hours, it finally caught up to me. After dinner, I walked back to the hotel and slept. So much for the grand opening act.

[QUOTE=QuackUp;1649956]While unpacking, I notice I forgot to bring my pair of dress shoes. That left bat's and cj's out. But again, I'am not a late nice person but it would have been nice just to see these places.
[/QUOTE]Hey mate, look forward to reading your reports. Looks like you covered some ground.

FYI. As you have left now this info is irrelevant, but I'd like to point out to other future travelers. You don't need dress shoes for CJ's or BATS. You just have to be white (that's a joke). In my early time in Jakarta I spent alot of time in these places, was never refused whilst wearing t-shirt, jeans and converse shoes. Never, never even close.

I have also seen many old men, who appear to have no dress sense, wearing jeans and running shoes. You know the sienfeld look, in those places.

Also. Anyone can get into BATS F. O. see, just tell them you are staying in the Shangrila. They let you straight in and only occasionally have I ever been asked what room number- just be confident and it helps when there is aline up and their collecting money from the other punters. I know its only 100 k, but its the principle right, especially when your just about to spend 120 k on 1 beer!

I haven't found this possible at the Mulia though.

Of course if you just hop off a plane from bali with thongs (slippers), shorts and a bintang t-shirt, then you will be refused.

Regards.

HHM.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1649963]Anyone can get into BATS F. O. see, [/QUOTE]That was meant to be an acronym of 'free of charge'.

I also notice 'dees place' when spelt with a capital the, always gets changed to 'the place'. , anyway back to work.

Adjusted plan for today. Maribaya, kartika, malioboro.

After a big breakfast, caught a taxi for blok m. It was around 10:00 when I left my hotel. I couldn't remember what time Maribaya opened, so I told the cabbie to drop me off at Pasaraya. I can't believe how big this store is. I walked up to the batik section and bought a few gifts. It's around 11:00 so I figure Maribaya must be open. I was a little confused when I walked out of the store but I saw the sign for the Fave Hotel. So I walked towards it and saw the Hotel Melawai. I walk in and asked the receptionist about a massage. She looked at me and says you are at the wrong place. She tells me to go to the other hotel Melawai which was around the corner and down the street. Very close. Once inside the right hotel, I walked towards the bar. I see a pretty good looking girl talking on her cell phone. I get to the bar and mama san comes to greet me. There are only five girls to choose from, so I took the first one I saw with the cell phone. She is tall and slim with a pretty face. I'am really bad with names but it sounded like Nelson.

She was fun, but a little too profession for me. She was bobbing her head like she was giving me head, but she was actually jacking me while just moving her head. I busted her then she actually gave me some good head. Then I went to DATY on her. Within 20 seconds, she's said she had cum. She didn't even feel wet yet. Then another 30 seconds goes by and she says she came a second time. After that, I just wanted to finish with her. So we do the deed and I finish but would not repeat with her. Not bad but not great but it was my first lay from Jakarta.

After Maribaya, I walked over to the bus station. I got turned around but with the help of some locals who didn't speak English, I was able to find it. Yes, I know it was close, but I wanted to make sure. They no longer issue paper tickets for the Transjakarta bus. You have to buy a smart card and recharge when needed. I believe the fare is still $3,500 but with the card it cost $4,000. I found out later the minimum recharge rate is $20,000. So, took the bus and got off at the Olimo bus stop. I checked out which bus stops I need to know before arriving in Jakarta. After getting off the bus, it's a short walk to Kartika. The only problem you have to cross a small street. Cars and motorcycles almost make it impossible to cross. I just went when some of the locals went. Even then it was scary. Saw Suzzies bakery and turned left, walked down the alley and into kartika. There were maybe 6 girls girls when I arrived and most were on the big side. I tried to do what m / s suggested and wait at the bar to see if a gem might come back from a session. I ordered a coke and was going to wait but after every sip I took, the mama san would ask if I was ready. I kept telling her I wanted to finish my drink, then I would decide. She wouldn't stop and almost left but I really wanted to experience the soappie massage here. So in the 5 minutes it took to finish my drink, no one else came out. I said f- it, I took a girl that was on the heavy side but a somewhat pretty face. She never said her name and I never asked. The soappie part of the massage was awesome. M / s was correct, for this kind of massage, you need a girl with some weight to get the full effect. But then came the rest of the massage. After showering off we start the next phase. She gave good head but she didn't allow kissing or DATY. Kissing for me is a must for a great session. So I rated this session a so. So, but now I can check this off my wish list.

From Kartika, took a cab to Maribaya, which wasn't too far away. Arrived there around 15:40. Not alot of girls but still there were at least 20 on duty. Most, decent to very good looking. The waiter take's me to a table and about 5 minutes later the mama san comes around. She brings her line up over to me. I picked a very pretty indo girl named Anjani. In the room she is very nice. Good BBBJ, lot's of dfking and DATY was allowed with no problem. So far she was the best of the day. Total cost $1,171,120 rps with tip and two cokes. After the session, I went back to the bar and at that time, many more girls are there, with more still coming in. Even the downstairs portion is filling up. So I guess a good time to get her is around 17:00. After the session, I felt so good, especially since the first two girls were just average lays that I called it a night. Took the bus back to Senyana, had dinner, then back to the hotel.

[QUOTE=QuackUp;1649972]Adjusted plan for today. Maribaya, kartika, malioboro.

After a big breakfast, caught a taxi for blok m. It was around 10:00 when I left my hotel. I couldn't remember what time Maribaya opened, so I told the cabbie to drop me off at Pasaraya. I can't believe how big this store is. I walked up to the batik section and bought a few gifts. It's around 11:00 so I figure Maribaya must be open. I was a little confused when I walked out of the store but I saw the sign for the Fave Hotel. So I walked towards it and saw the Hotel Melawai. I walk in and asked the receptionist about a massage. She looked at me and says you are at the wrong place. She tells me to go to the other hotel Melawai which was around the corner and down the street. Very close. Once inside the right hotel, I walked towards the bar. I see a pretty good looking girl talking on her cell phone. I get to the bar and mama san comes to greet me. There are only five girls to choose from, so I took the first one I saw with the cell phone. She is tall and slim with a pretty face. I'am really bad with names but it sounded like Nelson.

She was fun, but a little too profession for me. She was bobbing her head like she was giving me head, but she was actually jacking me while just moving her head. I busted her then she actually gave me some good head. Then I went to DATY on her. Within 20 seconds, she's said she had cum. She didn't even feel wet yet. Then another 30 seconds goes by and she says she came a second time. After that, I just wanted to finish with her. So we do the deed and I finish but would not repeat with her. Not bad but not great but it was my first lay from Jakarta.

After Maribaya, I walked over to the bus station. I got turned around but with the help of some locals who didn't speak English, I was able to find it. Yes, I know it was close, but I wanted to make sure. They no longer issue paper tickets for the Transjakarta bus. You have to buy a smart card and recharge when needed. I believe the fare is still $3,500 but with the card it cost $4,000. I found out later the minimum recharge rate is $20,000. So, took the bus and got off at the Olimo bus stop. I checked out which bus stops I need to know before arriving in Jakarta. After getting off the bus, it's a short walk to Kartika. The only problem you have to cross a small street. Cars and motorcycles almost make it impossible to cross. I just went when some of the locals went. Even then it was scary. Saw Suzzies bakery and turned left, walked down the alley and into kartika. There were maybe 6 girls girls when I arrived and most were on the big side. I tried to do what m / s suggested and wait at the bar to see if a gem might come back from a session. I ordered a coke and was going to wait but after every sip I took, the mama san would ask if I was ready. I kept telling her I wanted to finish my drink, then I would decide. She wouldn't stop and almost left but I really wanted to experience the soappie massage here. So in the 5 minutes it took to finish my drink, no one else came out. I said f- it, I took a girl that was on the heavy side but a somewhat pretty face. She never said her name and I never asked. The soappie part of the massage was awesome. M / s was correct, for this kind of massage, you need a girl with some weight to get the full effect. But then came the rest of the massage. After showering off we start the next phase. She gave good head but she didn't allow kissing or DATY. Kissing for me is a must for a great session. So I rated this session a so. So, but now I can check this off my wish list.

From Kartika, took a cab to Maribaya, which wasn't too far away. Arrived there around 15:40. Not alot of girls but still there were at least 20 on duty. Most, decent to very good looking. The waiter take's me to a table and about 5 minutes later the mama san comes around. She brings her line up over to me. I picked a very pretty indo girl named Anjani. In the room she is very nice. Good BBBJ, lot's of dfking and DATY was allowed with no problem. So far she was the best of the day. Total cost $1,171,120 rps with tip and two cokes. After the session, I went back to the bar and at that time, many more girls are there, with more still coming in. Even the downstairs portion is filling up. So I guess a good time to get her is around 17:00. After the session, I felt so good, especially since the first two girls were just average lays that I called it a night. Took the bus back to Senyana, had dinner, then back to the hotel.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, and I'm glad your last session worked out for you. Incidentally, the closest transjakarta bus stop to Kartika is Manga Besar. And I assume when you stated you went to Maribaya after Kartika you meant Malioboro. Anyway, keep up the good "work. ".

The plan for today. After my tour of Yogyakarta, from the airport straight to Alexis.

Started this day early to catch my 05:25 flight to Yogyakarta. Toured the temples and Yogyakarta, with a 19:25 flight back to Jakarta. My flight coming back was delayed so didn't arrive back into Jakarta until 21:15. Since on the map Alexis is so far north, I figure why not go from the airport straight to Alexis. Went to the bluebird taxi line and the line was even longer than the day before. Since it was so late, I saw only one person waiting at the silverbird taxi line, so I went over there. To give you an idea how much more the silverbird taxis are, they start the meter at $1,500. The bluebird taxis start at 7,000, and the express taxi's start at 6,000. At some point I took a ride in all of the taxis. All were pretty good but I did have one incidence that I'll write about in another thread. Anyways, from the map I studied before leaving, Alexis didn't look that far from the airport, in fact it didn't look further than my hotel. Final bill for the silverbird to Alexis $186,000. I actually used my credit card for this taxi so that I had money for Alexis. I know they take CC at Alexis but just in case.

Alexis is the first place I saw non Asian clientele at. Like other have said, there are sections for girls from Thailand, China, Vietnam, Eastern Europe, and locals. I almost took a Chinese girl who looked like Lucy Liu, but settled for a local. Again her name escapes me but it sounded like Harmony or Trinity. She is tall, slim and very pretty. We did the sauna first, which I wasn't too impressed with. It's probably because I know just a little Indo so couldn't hold a conversation with her. In the room she was great. Really good BBBJ, her kissing was awesome, and we did many positions. After a long day, this was a perfect ending. Total cost $1,710,000 rps. She has become the best of the trip so far.

Thanks hard hat mike, now that I think about it, I should have just gone and if they threw me out, no big deal. At least if I ever go back, I know now.

La guy, thanks for catching my typo. You are correct, I meant Malioboro.

[QUOTE=QuackUp;1649956]Hi All,

Just got back from a trip to Jakarta. First off, thanks to all the contributors, especially mighty spearman for his advice about Kartika. I was going to use the service of jad until I heard he isn't doing his touring anymore. After reading back to the start of the year, I think I did okay.

The hardest thing about going someplace new, even with a map, it's hard to tell what area and how far places are.

I decided to stay at the Century Park Hotel in Senyanan. It is more to the south, but using the Transjakarta bus, getting from place to place wasn't to bad. Also note, I'am not a late night person, so the bus was very convenient. Yes, traffic in Jakarta, is as bad as everyone says.

Before leaving, I made a schedule of all the places I wanted to go to. I did leave room for any adjustments. I was there for seven day's but on the seventh day, my flight left early so couldn't partake on that day. Here is the list of places I wanted to go to. Almost forgot, I flew one day to Yogyakarta and visit the huge Buddist and Hindu temples. Very impressive. Anyways, here is my list:

Maribaya, Alexis, Malioboro, Classic, Kartika, Emporvium, Kings's Cross, Top Gun, the's place, Bats, and Cj's.

I arrived Monday Nov. 17th, around 16:00. Got my voa and luggage and headed for the bluebird taxi line. Passed all of the taxi bandits and got in a long line for Bluebird. After 30 minutes, I get into the taxi bound for the hotel. Took about 50 minutes and cost around $160,000 rps with tolls included. Check in was a breeze and the room was okay. Nothing fancy but still good and roomy. While unpacking, I notice I forgot to bring my pair of dress shoes. That left bat's and cj's out. But again, I'am not a late nice person but it would have been nice just to see these places.

My favorite place to play is Brazil and the big clubs here, reminded me of the big night clubs of Sao Paulo. With the exception that the girls there get to roam around and mingle and the clubs here, basically the girls stay in their designated areas. What they both have in common, nice accommodations, food and drinks, lockers, and most of all many beautiful girls. Most of the girls of Jakarta on average from what I saw, were younger than the girls you would see in the Brazilian nightclubs. Both are awesome experiences. One big difference I did notice about the clubs in Jakarta vs. Brazil. All the girls of Jakarta knew my name (mister) LOL. For those that have never been to Jakarta, you will get it when you are here. Following will be a day by day diary of my first trip to Jakarta. Some might be long, so for you vet's. Alot of this will be stuff you already know.[/QUOTE]I also have spent a lot of time at the clubs in Sao Paulo, as well as Jakarta. Another difference which is significant to me, in addition to the one you point out about girls roaming around, is that although years ago the clubs in Sao Paulo charged an all inclusive fixed fee for time with the girls, now one has to negotiate with them, which for me is a pain, and gives more opportunity for them to charge gringos more than Brazilians. And, of course, prices have shot up in Brazil generally, even when one takes into account the recent dive in the reais value. But I see some similarities (as you point out) between the Sao Paulo and Jakarta clubs. And I don't know if you took advantage of the sauna, steam room, and whirlpool at Malioboro, where there sometimes are topless (or maybe bottomless) girls dancing around, but those even beat the facilities at most Sao Paulo clubs.

As to waiting 30 minutes for a Bluebird, if you face this next time I would recommend getting in the almost always shorter Silver Bird line. It costs maybe $7 or $8 more from the airport to the hotel, but besides avoiding the wait you will likely be driven in a Mercedes by a more better driver than the case with the Blue Birds (same company, better and more experienced drivers assigned to the Silver Birds, on average). After a long trip this means something (at least to me).

Edit: I wrote this as Day 3 was being posted. So I see you did find the Silver Bird line. Although Silver Birds start either at 12,000 or 15,000 depending on the type of car and maybe other factors, one might think the incremental fee increases with distance traveled would be similarly about twice as much for a Silver Bird. In fact it is is less than that, although I'm not sure by how much. Going to the Grand Hyatt, for example, it is rare that the Silver Bird costs more than around $250,000 in my experience. That is around $20 US.

[QUOTE=QuackUp;1649984] Went to the bluebird taxi line and the line was even longer than the day before.[/QUOTE]You don't need to wait for a bluebird taxi. If there is ever more than about 3 people in that line I just keep walking another 25 metres or so, turn right, and take the stairs up to the departure level. Grab one of the many bluebirds that are dropping people off. You might have to pay Rp10,000 ($1) to security as a 'parking fee' if they ask the driver for it, but who cares.

I do that in all busy airports now actually, works great in Manila as well.

Today plan, Berlian, city tour, Classic.

I forgot to mention, after my massage at Kartika, I stopped into Berlian to see their lineup. No stunners but one was decent. Her name is Aggie, and I told her I would be back for her. Today was the day. I again took the bus, walked over killer crosswalk and entered Berlian. The mama san remembered me and before she brought out the lineup, I asked for Aggie. She called Aggie over and to my disappointment, she didn't look as good as I thought. She was older and bigger than I thought. She was sitting down when I first saw her. She did have a decent face. Since I said I would session with her, I bit the bullet. One of the better decision I made on this trip. She was awesome! First she starts with a massage which was okay. Then she put some liquid on my back and gave me a great tit massage which felt great and sensual. Really got me excited when she tit massage my ass crack. She then turned me over for a BBBJ. Her BBBJ was okay but a little rough. When she licked my balls, I was in heaven. That was the best part of her BBBJ. She then comes up for some passionate kissing. After a while I proceed down for some DATY and get a good surprise. She's not a squirter, but she gushes out ton's of her love juices. She came 4 or 5 times and it was real. The soaked sheets proved it. Then in the heat of the moment, she slips me in. It's funny how when a girl wants you in them, they can move their body to make sure it happens and especially with no hands. I should have stopped and put a condom on but it felt so good and my little head took over. When I was ready to finish, I pulled out and shot all over her body. This would have been the perfect experience if she was younger and slimmer but regardless, her service was off the charts. Cost $300,000 massage, $100,000 tip and $10.000 coke. Highly recommended for her service.

Took the bus back to the Monas stop to take the free city tour bus. On the way there, I saw a pretty big protest blocking the street next to Monas. Not sure if it was because of the protest, but I saw at least 4 city buses empty going down the road not stopping to pick anyone up. I figured the tours have been cancelled for the day. So plan be. Got into a cab and went to the Grand Indo mall for some late lunch. I had ramen from a place called Ikkudo Ichi, I believe that is what it is called. Good ramen but small portions. After lunch, decided to go to Classic. This is where I encountered the taxi from hell. I get into the bluebird taxi and give the driver the address to Classic and he says okay, and off we go. I knew Classic wasn't too far from Monas but with the Jakarta traffic, I didn't know how long the trip should take. Whatever road we took it was slowed to a crawl. After about 40 minutes the taxi driver finally asked another driver where Classic was. The other driver pointed back from the direction we just came from. I was a little upset, but this wasn't going to spoil my mood, I'am on vacation. Then it went from bad to worst. The drive back was more stop than go. Every intersection was a cluster puck. The driver apologize but the meter was still running. I told him to stop the meter since it was his mistake. He said he couldn't. Eventually he did stop the meter, but would start it up again after a while. I'am sure he did it because the company could track what he was doing. We started out leaving the mall around 15:45, and arrived at Classic around 17:45. The meter showed $75,000 so I gave him $100,000. I wrote down his number to complain later but when he gave me back my change, he gave me $50,000 and apologize again. At least he took some responsibility so I was satisfied and didn't complain to the company.

Walking into the hotel, I pass a restaurant and head towards reception. I get stopped by two workers and ask what room for the elevator. I told I wanted to go to the lounge. They said I passed it and I pointed to the restaurant. They said yes, that's the lounge. I knew this wasn't the lounge I wanted. So I changed tactics and asked them if there was a massage place. They said yes, downstairs. So I went there and went to the receptionist and she gave me breakdown of prices. I believe she said 1 hour for $350,000. I then asked if I can pick out the girl. She said no, only by number. Feeling a little frustrated now, I asked her if there was someplace in this hotel where there is a mama san to help pick out girls for me. She then told he it was on the second floor then she also told me floors 3 and 4 were for KTV but opened later. This lady was more helpful than the two dumbasses downstairs. So I head up to the second floor. I go to the entrance and the guy in front says, we don't open until 18:00. I look at my watch and it's 18:10. By the time I get there, I hear music inside and the guy asked me if I wanted to see the girls. Of course I say yes, then he says unless you pay entrance you can't come in to see the girls. Wtf? I was almost ready to walk out there. Too many red flags. First the taxi guy (which actually worked out okay because I would have been too early otherwise). The two dumbasses downstairs, and finally this dumbass at the door.

But since I was here and wanted to check this place off my list I stayed. $40,000 for entrance, plus I had to check in my backpack. After going through the door, a mama san grabs my arm and leads me to a table, which happens to be in front of her girls. I told the mama san, I'am going to have a drink, then I'll decide who I want. What does she do? She says okay then sits at my table. Every couple of minutes, she would use her lazer pointer and say how about her, or how about two girls. I hate the hard sell and I'am starting to hate this place. Finally, a cute topless dancer comes by and asked me to buy her 3 drinks. So to shift the attention from the mama san, I told her the dancer one drink. She then starts pleading with me to buy her 3 drinks. I told her one drink or nothing. She agrees to the one drink, but I was still in a foul mood with all the hard sells. At least the mama san left. Still, I'am thinking, maybe it's an omen, I should just leave. Actually there were alot of girls here at Classic. I took a walk around to get a better look at the girls on the far side. Finally, I see a girl I like and with a different mama san, we hook up. Her name is Rita and she is very pretty and slim. A local girl. After all the hassles it took to get here and reading about the poor sessions here, I wasn't expecting too much. Fortunately, I got a pleasant surprise.

Because of some of the bad review, with Rita I changed tactics with her. I asked her if she would like a massage. She said she like that. So I gave her a very sensual massage and after the massage, I gave her a tongue bath from head to toe. This got her nice and hot and when I stuck my tongue in her ear, she couldn't take it anymore. She turned around and started to DFK me. I then went down on her and she got very wet. Not a gusher like Aggie but she got very wet. Then I stuck one finger into her honey box, then a second. It was amazing seeing her juices running down her ass crack. I have to admit I didn't get a BBBJ, actually I didn't get a BJ at all. After the DATY, we went straight into the act, with many positions. With plenty of dfkes, she became the best of the trip, so far.

So with all of the bad, Rita more than made up for it, with a great session. What I didn't like, when I choose Rita, I had to pay the mama san right then. It was $350,000 and I gave Rita a tip of $100,000. Then to pay for the entrance and my drink, I had to go to the cashier. Entrance was $40,000, so I give the cashier my visa card and she said they don't take credit cards, even though I see many credit card reader there. So, this place is still trying to get to me. I pay in cash and now the cashier has the nerve to ask for a tip. I told her my tip is to accept credit cards so I can give you a tip and left. But it wasn't over. I had to get my backpack. So I go to the checked bag area and get my backpack. Of course the attended asked for a tip. I was going to say something smart but gave her $2,000. She looked at it and said can't you give more. I told her, if you don't want it, give it back. She took it. Although the girl I session with was great, the customer service here really sucks.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1649996]You don't need to wait for a bluebird taxi. If there is ever more than about 3 people in that line I just keep walking another 25 metres or so, turn right, and take the stairs up to the departure level. Grab one of the many bluebirds that are dropping people off. You might have to pay Rp10,000 ($1) to security as a 'parking fee' if they ask the driver for it, but who cares.[/QUOTE]Great tip Ceegee. And your spot-on.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1650020]Great tip Ceegee. And your spot-on.[/QUOTE]Agreed great tip, also guys when you've arrived in CGK and gone up the steps to the departure level. This is the level to change your money into Rupiah for the taxi. The money changer on departure usually gives about 500 RP more per dollar more than arrivals. As the departure money changers are expecting you to be offloading your rupiahs there. I actually got this advice from one of the money changers cuties on the lift between floors who was carrying FX between travel changers belonging to the same business.

Also if you're worried about being overweight (with baggage not exhaustion from a weeks mongering in Jakarta) on leaving CGK there is a free weighing machine for bags just outside the left luggage shop.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1650143]Agreed great tip, also guys when you've arrived in CGK and gone up the steps to the departure level. This is the level to change your money into Rupiah for the taxi. The money changer on departure usually gives about 500 RP more per dollar more than arrivals. As the departure money changers are expecting you to be offloading your rupiahs there. I actually got this advice from one of the money changers cuties on the lift between floors who was carrying FX between travel changers belonging to the same business.

Also if you're worried about being overweight (with baggage not exhaustion from a weeks mongering in Jakarta) on leaving CGK there is a free weighing machine for bags just outside the left luggage shop.[/QUOTE]When I read all these posts on money changing I'm so happy my (Dutch) bank has provided me with a bank card that allows me to step up to any ATM in any country in the world and just get the local money from it. In Indonesia this varies a bit between banks but I can extract between 1. 5 and 2 million every time, up to 4 times per day. Having a credit card besides this means I don't pay bank charges.

Why don't you all demand the same service from your banks? If a small country like the Netherlands can organise its bank affairs like this, larger countries should be able to do this also. Many of you have consciously lived in the sixties so you must know how to protest. Your bank makes enough money from you so demand proper service.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1650208]When I read all these posts on money changing I'm so happy my (Dutch) bank has provided me with a bank card that allows me to step up to any ATM in any country in the world and just get the local money from it. In Indonesia this varies a bit between banks but I can extract between 1. 5 and 2 million every time, up to 4 times per day. Having a credit card besides this means I don't pay bank charges.

Why don't you all demand the same service from your banks? If a small country like the Netherlands can organise its bank affairs like this, larger countries should be able to do this also. Many of you have consciously lived in the sixties so you must know how to protest. Your bank makes enough money from you so demand proper service.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]Schwab Bank in the US does not charge foreign currency conversion fees and also rebates any ATM fees so you end up not paying these. I use it all the time in Indonesia and Thailand without any problems. I carry very little extra cash as I can go to an ATM (in Plaza Indonesia for example) and get what I want. I don't believe I have tried to get more than 3 million rupiah in a day, but probably could. I carry a back-up ATM card in the event the Schwab card does not work, but have never had to use the back up.

The Dutch have been financiers and world traders since before New Amsterdam was founded. That's NYC to anyone who has never opened up a history book. It doesn't surprise me that Dutch Banks were among the first to offer their consumers innovative services like free ATM debit cards. Thankfully, American Financial Institutions are beginning to offer a similar product.

Charles Schwab Bank now has a checking account with a debit card that guarantees no ATM fees worldwide, no monthly service fees, no minimum balance, plus interest on the outstanding cash in the account. This is the best debit card out there for Americans.

Capital One the credit card company is now offering its customers a 360 Checking Account. It too features no ATM fees charged by the bank worldwide, but unlike the Schwab card, I believe there may be unreimbursed local ATM charges when the card is used at non aligned ATM's.

The days of bringing gobs of cash to Asia are over.

Today's plan, Empovium, Kings cross, Top gun and the's place.

After another big breakfast, I did the gym pool thing for the early part of the day. Took the bus and got off at Monas. While walking to Monas, I saw the city bus coming down the street. Since I had reached the city bus, bus stop, I decided to jump on. From the bus I saw how far I had to walk just to get to the entrance. Since it was so hot and muggy, which was everyday, I decided to just stay on the bus for the whole tour. The air condition bus was great, but the guide only spoke Indo, so I missed some of the site's and history behind them. Back where I started, I got off the bus. Time to go to Emporvium. I wasn't sure what time they open but later found out the girls start coming in around 14:00. I arrived there around 17:30, went upstairs and notice this place is smaller than what I thought it would be. Plenty of girls with some from Vietnam.

The mama san escorted me from the locker room to the lounge. She told me the prices of the girls. I got a drink and told her I wanted to relax and to give me 10-15 minutes to look around. Unlike Classic, she said okay and left me alone. She came back about 20 minutes later. I tell her what girl I wanted. She was a local girl whose name escapes me. She was probably the best looking of all the girls so far. She speaks English and she was the one who told me when the girls start to show up. She also told me that most of the girls didn't like to go into the spa. We skip the spa and go straight to the room. Since it worked so good the other day, I ask her if she would like a massage. First red flag, she says no. Okay, so then I tried to kiss her. She kept turning her head and only let me kiss her on the cheeks. Second red flag. She gave a CBJ, my first one on this trip, actually the only one on this trip. She said that is why they give out two condoms, one for BJ, the second for the act. Her third red flag. I then tried to DATY and she says no kissing there. That was the final red flag for me. So I just turned her over and did a grudge puck. The best thing about this girl was her looks, too bad her service didn't match her looks.

After the session I went back to the lounge. Get a drink and scanned the girls again. There were a few more girls than before. One caught my eye but because of the previous session I was a little gun shy. So I got up to leave, but as I passed her, I asked her for her name. She said Bunny and we spoke briefly. She was from Vietnam. I asked her if she would be there tomorrow and she said yes. So I told her I would be back tomorrow just for her. She smiled and we said our goodbyes. 30 seconds with this girl was more fun than the hour I had with the other girl. Finally I get to the cashiers cage. There are three working there but one is very cute. Of course the cute one wasn't the one helping me. So I just turned to her and started to talk with her. Actually more like flirting with her. Her name is Desti. Since she was wearing a ring on her wedding finger, I told her I was heart broken because she was married. Immediately she says loudly, I'am not married, I'am very much single. Man, if only I wasn't leaving in two days. I give her a big smile and flirt somemore. Finally I asked her if she would be working there tomorrow. She said yes. So, even though this was the place for my worst session, I now have two reasons to return. Total cost for the session was $1,536,400.

Took a taxi back to my hotel to rest before my adventure to Blok M. Around 19:30 I caught the bus for Blok M. From the bus terminal I took a cab to a restaurant called Tokyo Skipjack, a steakhouse. This place is highly rated on Tripadvisor and it was only about a 5 minute drive from the bus terminal. I thought it was good but nothing exceptional. I do admit, the salad was very good. After dinner, took an express cab back to Blok m and top gun. On the way there, I saw a bunch of people eating on the sidewalk. I guess the street food here is good. It was not to far from the restaurant. I'll have to try it, if I ever come back. I get dropped off at top gun and notice DS place is just across the street. So I go to DS place first. I enter and culture shock, almost an all white clientele. The only other place I saw non asians was at Alexis. There were 3 girls dancing but no one in there excited me. I got a drink and of course an older lady sits next to me. For the next half hour I chill and converse with this lady. I wasn't going to take her out, but she was cool. She even warned me not to take the taxis waiting in front. I forgot to ask her about the vip rooms. So after awhile I walk over to top gun. This place is happening. Good crowd and the band playing was pretty good. Unfortunately, all the girls I liked, were already hooked up. About 40 minutes later, I walk out to check out the other clubs. Almost all were empty. When I walked into the one called Sportman's something, they told me it was empty because they close at midnight. 30 minutes from now. So when I checked out the other dead clubs, I assumed they closed at midnight also. I walk back into top gun hoping one of the girls I like might be freed up. No such luck. I also notice, the girl I was talking to at the's place, was now in top gun. I guess they just go from bar to bar. I stayed for about 20 minutes then walked out. Fortunately, a pusaka taxi just dropped some people off, so I got in and called it a night.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1650211]Schwab Bank in the US does not charge foreign currency conversion fees and also rebates any ATM fees so you end up not paying these. I use it all the time in Indonesia and Thailand without any problems. I carry very little extra cash as I can go to an ATM (in Plaza Indonesia for example) and get what I want. I don't believe I have tried to get more than 3 million rupiah in a day, but probably could. I carry a back-up ATM card in the event the Schwab card does not work, but have never had to use the back up.[/QUOTE]Good for you, but it is still rare. Why?

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1650212]The Dutch have been financiers and world traders since before New Amsterdam was founded. That's NYC to anyone who has never opened up a history book. It doesn't surprise me that Dutch Banks were among the first to offer their consumers innovative services like free ATM debit cards. Thankfully, American Financial Institutions are beginning to offer a similar product.

Charles Schwab Bank now has a checking account with a debit card that guarantees no ATM fees worldwide, no monthly service fees, no minimum balance, plus interest on the outstanding cash in the account. This is the best debit card out there for Americans.

Capital One the credit card company is now offering its customers a 360 Checking Account. It too features no ATM fees charged by the bank worldwide, but unlike the Schwab card, I believe there may be unreimbursed local ATM charges when the card is used at non aligned ATM's.

The days of bringing gobs of cash to Asia are over.[/QUOTE]Well, the world is slowly (trying to) catch up on the Netherlands in the level of financial services. Maybe there is hope after all. .

Regards,

Ko.

Today's plan, Emporvium, Classic.

In a dilemma today. I have an early 06:20 Sunday morning flight out. Do I try and get back early to rest before my flight home? Or do I stay out all night, then head over to the airport? Since I have a hard time sleeping on the plane, I decided to play a little and call it an early night. So the plan was to go to Emporvium first, girls show up at 14:00 but I mainly wanted to go more for the cashier. Then head over to Classic. Yes, their customer service sucks, but my best session came from there so I wanted to end my trip on a very high note.

I get to Emporvium around 14:30. I notice there is only one cashier and it's not Desti. I asked the cashier where Disti is. She said today was Desti day off. Bummer, that kicked my ego to the ground. Hopefully my session with Bunny will make up for it. Again a mama san meets me at the locker room. A different one from the night before. She escorts me upstairs and we get a table. Because it's so early, there's only about 25 girls available. I also notice there is only one other customer in the club. I sit down, order a drink and tell the mama san to come back in 15 minutes. Again the mama san complied and left me alone. I looked at the section where Bunny was sitting the night before but no one was there now. At this time no foreign girls were in the club. So I turn my attention to the local girls. Since it was my last day, even with the bad session I had last night, I wanted to session here one last time. Plus, Classic didn't open until 18:00. The mama san returns and I ask her if she knows Bunny. She said she didn't know Bunny but knew a Funi. She said one was local and the other was from Vietnam. She showed me the picture of the girl from Vietnam but it didn't look like the girl I was talking to last night. She also told me the foreign girls would be in later. So instead, I pick a local girl who kept looking and smiling at me once I had sat down at the table. The mama san calls her over and she is very good looking and can speak a little English. We flirt a little at the table, then head up to the room. On the way to the room, all I'am thinking is, since she is good looking, this will probably be a trophy puck like the night before. But then again, a lame puck is better than no puck at all.

We get to the room and to my surprise, after she locked the door, she comes over to give me hug and a great DFK. While talking with her downstairs, I didn't notice she had a tongue piercing. After that DFK, no mistake, she does have a tongue piercing. After the first hug, we made out standing up for a good 10 minutes and that's before any clothes came off. She then helps me take off my clothes and we head for the shower. In the shower she soaps me up very sensually, every so often coming up to give me a DFK. After the shower I get on the bed waiting for her to finish her shower. When she gets to the bed I asked her if she would like a massage. She said yes and off to erotic heaven we go. During the massage I lick her from head to toe and she makes some exotic moaning noises. To finish the massage, I pay alot of attention to her ass and in between her beautiful legs. From behind I DATY on her and from her sounds, she is liking it. She turns around and more dfking. I start to go down south. DATY was wonderful and I was able to get two fingers inside. After a while I come back up for more dfking and while making out, she moves her body and I go in naturally. Again, how these girls can do this without using hands, is amazing.

So we start in mish with lots of kissing. Then I had her get on top for CG and asian CG. Feeling her firm tits put me over the top and I cip. I warned her, but she actually pounded harder when I told her. After I finished I thought she would get off, but instead, she lays on top of me, giving me small pecks on the lips. About 30 seconds later, when I started to shrink, she gets off of me. I though this is when I go shower off, but noooo. She lays on the side of me and cuddles. What a great feeling this was. Awesome GFE. Then after a while, she starts to make out with me again. At my age I need more time to recover, but I went with the flow. Finally, I told her I wish I could stay with her all night, but it was time for me to take a shower. She get's in the shower with me and cleans me up. What a difference a day makes. As you can see, I didn't get a BJ covered or not. But in the heat of the moment, I wasn't looking for one. My session with her was as passionate as any Brazilian girl I have been with and the Brazilian girls sets a high standard for passion, GFE and pse. This girl could compete with any of them. When leaving the room, I notice we went over by about 10 minutes. No phone call telling us about the time. Maybe because it was early or slow?

This session was so good and I was feeling so high, I forgot to ask her for a picture. I actually had my cell phone on me this day. I know ymmv, but for you lucky guys still in Jakarta, I highly recommend her. Her name is Nisa. After paying and waiting for a taxi, I was feeling so good and drained, I decided not to visit Classic. Rita at Classic was good, but not this good and I still hate the customer service at Classic. So took a taxi to get an early dinner, then back to the hotel to pack and get some well deserved sleep by 20:00. Today everything worked out perfectly. Great way to end my first vacation in Indonesia.

I had a blast in Jakarta. If I return, I would probably stay at the Grand Mercure hotel up north. The Century park hote was fine, but the Mecure looks like its in a better location for the clubs I visited. The big plus being, there is a Transjakarta bus stop directly in front of the hotel. If I remember correctly, I think Malioboro was across from the Mecure also. I do agree with the other posters who said that the Indo girl have the best ass's of all the Asian countries. But not only do they have fine ass's, but the young girls I had, all had nice firm tits. I know most think because the girl is young she should have firm tits, but that is not alway the case, especially in Mexico. I have to admit, I had a hard time reading the receipts I got from the clubs. Basically whatever price the mama san told me, I figure if the bottom line was close to it with drinks and all, no problem. The only thing I could figure out was for the drinks and tips. I didn't get many photos because at Malioboro they ask for you camera at reception. At Alexis, if you change into shorts, the robes they give you have no pockets. No place to hide the camera. Finally, just from being so high, I forgot to snap a few pictures.

One question I should have asked before going, if you don't use the spa, does that half hour go into your room time? Also for newbies that plan on taking the Transjakarta bus. When the bus stops, there are three doors that open up. One in the front, one in the middle and one at the rear. Problem is, some of the bus stops only have doors for the front and middle. The first few times when I noticed this, I sat or stood near the middle door. That is until I knew which stops had the two or third door opening.

Finally, I had a great time here and that's just scratching the surface. Brazil is still my number one destination but after this trip, Jakarta has become a close second.

The lack of doors on the bus is to give you an authentic Indonesian travel experience. Don't forget! It's the journey, not the destination, even if you did have your heart set on getting off at the previous stop. Transjakarta is great but beware of pickpockets. The MO is to surround you and then get you caught up in the crush when the doors open, hands start wandering around your pockets.

Grand Mercure Harmoni is certainly convenient. Writing from the lobby there right now. Had a Fresh 19 yo last night. First day at work at one of my and Jakarta haunts. Oh so tight!

OS.

[QUOTE=QuackUp;1650258]I had a blast in Jakarta. If I return, I would probably stay at the Grand Mercure hotel up north. The Century park hote was fine, but the Mecure looks like its in a better location for the clubs I visited. The big plus being, there is a Transjakarta bus stop directly in front of the hotel. If I remember correctly, I think Malioboro was across from the Mecure also. I do agree with the other posters who said that the Indo girl have the best ass's of all the Asian countries. But not only do they have fine ass's, but the young girls I had, all had nice firm tits. I know most think because the girl is young she should have firm tits, but that is not alway the case, especially in Mexico. I have to admit, I had a hard time reading the receipts I got from the clubs. Basically whatever price the mama san told me, I figure if the bottom line was close to it with drinks and all, no problem. The only thing I could figure out was for the drinks and tips. I didn't get many photos because at Malioboro they ask for you camera at reception. At Alexis, if you change into shorts, the robes they give you have no pockets. No place to hide the camera. Finally, just from being so high, I forgot to snap a few pictures.

One question I should have asked before going, if you don't use the spa, does that half hour go into your room time? Also for newbies that plan on taking the Transjakarta bus. When the bus stops, there are three doors that open up. One in the front, one in the middle and one at the rear. Problem is, some of the bus stops only have doors for the front and middle. The first few times when I noticed this, I sat or stood near the middle door. That is until I knew which stops had the two or third door opening.

Finally, I had a great time here and that's just scratching the surface. Brazil is still my number one destination but after this trip, Jakarta has become a close second.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1649996]You don't need to wait for a bluebird taxi. If there is ever more than about 3 people in that line I just keep walking another 25 metres or so, turn right, and take the stairs up to the departure level. Grab one of the many bluebirds that are dropping people off. You might have to pay Rp10,000 ($1) to security as a 'parking fee' if they ask the driver for it, but who cares.
[/QUOTE]It is not without risk for the taxi driver. I once saw a security guy rip off the airport-taxi sign of the windshield and I believe that is something serious.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1650434]It is not without risk for the taxi driver. I once saw a security guy rip off the airport-taxi sign of the windshield and I believe that is something serious.[/QUOTE]I've seen that as well. I've also tried that where no taxi would stop out of fear to be caught picking people up on the departure level (they are not supposed to do that), but that was years ago. I don't think they police that as much as they used to. I always just book a Goldenbird. No need to wait in any lines, and you get a bigger car (I normally get a Kijang Innova). It's a bit more expensive (250k), but not much.

[QUOTE=QuackUp;1650258]I had a blast in Jakarta.....[/QUOTE]Great trip report, thanks.

About Classic: they do open before 6 pm on 2. Floor. Some of the hotter girls may not come too early but 5 pm onwards is fine in my experience. They have a sign on the entrance with 6 pm but that is related to your minimum charge.

Check your change from the check-out counter! I got short changed more often than not.

The mamis can be a bit pushy. If I want to sit quietly for a while I tell them I just finished a round or am waiting for a specific girl. Girls always seemed to be willing to do more than I was willing to do *o*.

I'm not in Jakarta at the moment. A buddy of mine tells me Top Gun was shut down for a special birthday party for Frida on Friday night. I personally think she's been the best looking girl on the blok during the last 6 or 7 years. For her to be able to shut the place down on a Friday night, she must have a sponsor these days, if not a husband. Does anyone know her story? Is she off the market?

[QUOTE=QuackUp;1649956][B]First Time[/B]

Hi All,

Just got back from a trip to Jakarta. First off, thanks to all the contributors, especially Mighty Spearsman for his advice about Kartika. I was going to use the service of JAD until I heard he isn't doing his touring anymore. After reading back to the start of the year, I think I did okay.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the shout-out, happy to help, and I'm glad that you got to experience the soapy massage at Kartika.

[QUOTE=QuackUp;1650238][B]Day Five[/B]

After dinner, took an express cab back to Blok m and top gun. On the way there, I saw a bunch of people eating on the sidewalk. I guess the street food here is good. It was not to far from the restaurant. I'll have to try it, if I ever come back.

I also noticed, the girl I was talking to at Dee's place, was now in Top Gun. I guess they just go from bar to bar. I stayed for about 20 minutes then walked out. Fortunately, a pusaka taxi just dropped some people off, so I got in and called it a night.[/QUOTE]
The first paragraph above is the one sentence that I would disagree with. I strongly encourage short-time visitors to Jakarta to NOT eat the street food - too much risk that you are eating something that's partially spoiled and/or fried in cooking oil that's been doctored. The main reason so many people eat street food is that it's so cheap, and their stomachs are more used to it than your stomach is. I'm sure that at least one poster will write a post disputing this and claiming that they eat street food all the time and have never gotten sick, but why take the risk and spend 1 to 2 days out of a one-week visit sick in bed? Be careful!

Your last paragraph reminded me of my first visit to the Blok M bars, some 9 years ago, with esteemed Senior Member Menteng as my guide. We spent about 30 minutes each in several different places and kept seeing the same girls in each bar. I ended up taking home a young lovely who I had chit-chatted with in three different bars. Great customer service, and I also remember her pulling out a uniform top from her bag in the morning and putting it on, as she was going straight from the Mandarin Oriental to her place of work (Carrefour or similar).

I had negotiated 350,000 as the LT fee before taking her home, she then asked for an extra 50,000 rupiah in the morning as taxi money to get to her job. While she probably took a local bus or van to her job instead of a taxi, I didn't mind because our time together had been great. You can tell this story is 9 years old by the lower prices!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1650583]I'm not in Jakarta at the moment. A buddy of mine tells me Top Gun was shut down for a special birthday party for Frida on Friday night. I personally think she's been the best looking girl on the blok during the last 6 or 7 years. For her to be able to shut the place down on a Friday night, she must have a sponsor these days, if not a husband. Does anyone know her story? Is she off the market?[/QUOTE]Hi, I went into TG around midnight on Friday. Yes there was a function, half the waitresses were dressed in Red. Not sure if the bar was closed earlier to the public.

I don't know Frida, but I do know the guy whom was paying etc. Without risking embarrassment or exposure, he is guy from West Australia that used to be very visible on the Blok. I saw him for the first time in ages in the's on Wed night, but the pool tournament was on, maybe he was playing.

He comes and goes to Jakarta and also has had a long on again off again relationship with Frida, according to the girls on the street.

On another note there was a Jl Paletehan night festival outside on the street on Saturday evening. All the bars had little kiosks outside with staff in fancy dress. As the stage was set up outside Gelael, needless to say the Sportsman, Everest and Moonrider stalls had no customers. In fact the whole thing was poorly attended unlike the events of years ago.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=CoozeHound;1651153]

He has had a long on again off again relationship with Frida[/QUOTE]I think many of us have over the years.

Thanks for the info. I'm glad to hear she's done well. I haven't been with her in many years, but was surprised to hear she had such an elaborate party. Good on her. There aren't many girls on the Blok over the last 15 years or so who I would rate as attractive as Frida. She's a looker. I've always wondered why some guy hasn't taken her off the market yet.

Attached is a photo of her. She's the one in the black and white dress.

Arriving on Dec 25th initially for a weekend. Is it worth staying over New Years eve, what's party like?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1651188]There aren't many girls on the Blok over the last 15 years or so who I would rate as attractive as Frida. She's a looker. Attached is a photo of her. She's the one in the black and white dress.[/QUOTE]I think both girls are pretty hot. Thanks for posting.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1651188]I think many of us have over the years.

Attached is a photo of her. She's the one in the black and white dress.[/QUOTE]Yes I remember the face now, but never had the liberty of enjoying her company.

I will check with a couple of the girls to confirm I had the correct facts and names, as its easy to mistake an identity.

Hi.

This was my first day in Indonesia, it felt a bit different in Jakarta, I don't know why. ! Visited the most famous BLOK M pub Top Gun. Very loud. Lot of WG's. All in range 0 f 6-7/10 scale. Had a chicken basket along with beer, felt a bit awkward, as I was the only person having food there. Most were having drinks and playing pool. The whole pub filled with cigar smoke. Finally left the place as no one was so striking. On my way out a wg approached me asked 'want to take me. Mr' , I said 'why not' (7/10 fair with cat eyes). She quoted 700 k IDR for ST. I laughed and said you can get for 350 K IDR elsewhere. She didn't budge and I left the scene. Only the next day I understood why she was charging double price. Its just because of english skills. Almost 90% of WG in Jakarta don't know english. Except 'where are you from Mr'. However Blok M is a different place, here 90% know atleast understandable english. Thats the reason for double price when compared to other bars. Anyways I had to spend Day 1 alone in my bed dreaming of Indonesian Beauty.

Rocky.

[QUOTE=RockyDStar143;1652146]Hi.

This was my first day in Indonesia, it felt a bit different in Jakarta, I don't know why. ! Visited the most famous BLOK M pub Top Gun. Very loud. Lot of WG's. All in range 0 f 6-7/10 scale. Had a chicken basket along with beer, felt a bit awkward, as I was the only person having food there. Most were having drinks and playing pool. The whole pub filled with cigar smoke. Finally left the place as no one was so striking. On my way out a wg approached me asked 'want to take me. Mr' , I said 'why not' (7/10 fair with cat eyes). She quoted 700 k IDR for ST. I laughed and said you can get for 350 K IDR elsewhere. She didn't budge and I left the scene. Only the next day I understood why she was charging double price. Its just because of english skills. Almost 90% of WG in Jakarta don't know english. Except 'where are you from Mr'. However Blok M is a different place, here 90% know atleast understandable english. Thats the reason for double price when compared to other bars. Anyways I had to spend Day 1 alone in my bed dreaming of Indonesian Beauty.

Rocky.[/QUOTE]To Rocky the.

That is the going rate now days inflation everything gone way up the a lot last 6 yr in Jakarta, most disco even the low end one like Millie average girl want 700 k min for 3 HR high end disco like golden crown and the colosseum most girl want one juta for st and 1. 5 for LT .

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1650483]I've seen that as well. I've also tried that where no taxi would stop out of fear to be caught picking people up on the departure level (they are not supposed to do that), but that was years ago. I don't think they police that as much as they used to. I always just book a Goldenbird. No need to wait in any lines, and you get a bigger car (I normally get a Kijang Innova). It's a bit more expensive (250k), but not much.[/QUOTE]Agree. Just stay at arrival level and go to either Silver Bird, Golden Bird or White Horse lines, which are usually max 2 persons, and take your taxi there. Let other people wait for a slightly cheaper taxi.

Regards,

Ko.

Dipped my toes into craigslist again recently. Should follow my own rules about getting the girls on cam first. Of course she sent me the best possible photos with the promise of an amazing rimjob. While significantly heavier than the photos, probably the best rimjob I have ever had. Really drilled her tongue into my ass, and she had a lot of BDSM experience too. Fun times. Asked for 1 juta, which I agreed to since I did not even have to leave my hotel as she came to me.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1650483]I've seen that as well. I've also tried that where no taxi would stop out of fear to be caught picking people up on the departure level (they are not supposed to do that), but that was years ago. I don't think they police that as much as they used to. [/QUOTE]Does not seem to be policed much now. I did it again since I last posted about it, no problems, no bribe. I just stepped out into the traffic and have several drivers wave me over. Was looking for something on the front of the car that could get ripped off by security, but I could not find anything.

Back from JK since one week, here is a short report. Sorry, but English is not my best language.

I was 2 times 3 nights in JK, i stayed in fave hotel / blok m (good choise price / quality, only the breakfast is very poor for a westener) and I had a very good time and this with thanks to the very up to date wsg jk forum. I travel a lot and I consult the WSG forums very regular and believe me. The JK forum is one of the most efficient forums of the site, so. Thanks brothers for your very useful info.

I went to:

Maribaya massage (blok m): first i took a beer and some time to look around but finally choose a girl, very kind, nice body, good massage and at the end good service, 600.000 + 100.000 tip.

Cj at hotel mulia: nice place, many people and live music. Very good to look around, spend some hours and take some beers, plenty of top class lady's but they give me a feeling of big professionals and i (I'm 60!) am not sure if there service is proportional to their 1. 500.000 rate! For me a place to visit but not to take a girl out.

Hard Rock Café: this is a splendid design restaurant with life music, but not a Hard Rock Café, it is a cool place without ambiance, everybody is sitting in club chairs on tables, only me was on the bar. This is a shame for the hard rock status.

Blok m: took 3 times (from dees bar, my bar and top gun) a girl to my hotel and 3 times very satisfied, 2 short times and 1 overnight, always 300.000 + 40.000 for taxi.

Kartika spa: splendid soap massage, like to go every day, the place is not big class but OK, I was 3 times and 3 times with the same pretty girl (30 y) with a very nice body and excellent service, 350.000 + 100.000 tip + 45.000 for a big beer.

I had a very good time in JK and like to go back next year, thank you for the very useful information on the forum.

[QUOTE=DelBosque;1652625]Back from JK since one week, here is a short report. Sorry, but English is not my best language.

I was 2 times 3 nights in JK, i stayed in Fave Hotel / Blok M (good choice price / quality, only the breakfast is very poor for a westerner) and I had a very good time and this with thanks to the very up to date wsg jk forum. I travel a lot and I consult the WSG forums very regular and believe me. The JK forum is one of the most efficient forums of the site, so. Thanks brothers for your very useful info.

I went to:

Maribaya Massage (Blok M): first i took a beer and some time to look around but finally choose a girl, very kind, nice body, good massage and at the end good service, 600.000 + 100.000 tip.

CJ at Hotel Mulia: nice place, many people and live music. Very good to look around, spend some hours and take some beers, plenty of top class lady's but they gave me a feeling of big professionals and I (I'm 60!) am not sure if there service is proportional to their 1. 500.000 rate! For me a place to visit but not to take a girl out.

Hard Rock Cafe: this is a splendid design restaurant with live music, but not a Hard Rock Cafe, it is a cool place without ambiance, everybody is sitting in club chairs on tables, only me was on the bar. This is a shame for the hard rock status.

Blok M: took 3 times (from Dee's Bar, My Bar and Top Gun) a girl to my hotel and 3 times very satisfied, 2 short times and 1 overnight, always 300.000 + 40.000 for taxi.

Kartika Spa: splendid soap massage, like to go every day, the place is not big class but OK, I was 3 times and 3 times with the same pretty girl (30 y) with a very nice body and excellent service, 350.000 + 100.000 tip + 45.000 for a big beer.

I had a very good time in JK and like to go back next year, thank you for the very useful information on the forum.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your excellent report. I noted that you paid lower prices for the Blok M ladies. Good work! Your post is proof that reading ISG can help mongers.

Am also happy to read that you enjoyed Kartika, my all-time favorite place in Jakarta. Just curious. Since you went there 3 times, why didn't you try a two-girl combo during one of your visits? Stick with the girl you had enjoyed before and ask her to choose a second girl. Heaven on earth! Oh well, maybe during your next visit.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;1652912]Thanks for your excellent report. I noted that you paid lower prices for the Blok M ladies. Good work! Your post is proof that reading ISG can help mongers.

Am also happy to read that you enjoyed Kartika, my all-time favorite place in Jakarta. Just curious. Since you went there 3 times, why didn't you try a two-girl combo during one of your visits? Stick with the girl you had enjoyed before and ask her to choose a second girl. Heaven on earth! Oh well, maybe during your next visit.[/QUOTE]Spearsman,

They proposed me each time to take 2 ladys but I hesitate, I'm 60 with only one zizi. , but next time I follow your advice.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;1652912]
Am also happy to read that you enjoyed Kartika, my all-time favorite place in Jakarta. Just curious. Since you went there 3 times, why didn't you try a two-girl combo during one of your visits? Stick with the girl you had enjoyed before and ask her to choose a second girl. Heaven on earth! Oh well, maybe during your next visit.[/QUOTE]I endorse this message. The sandwich at Kartika is a very unique experience.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1653054]I endorse this message. The sandwich at Kartika is a very unique experience.[/QUOTE]I do think I must try this the next time I'm in Jakarta (soon).

Regards,

Ko.

I've been hoping to check out immigrant, how would you guys compare this with BATS. In regards to WGs.

Never been to immigrant. But BATS is a very good place for pickups.

[QUOTE=Dkooau;1653455]I've been hoping to check out immigrant, how would you guys compare this with BATS. In regards to WGs.

Never been to immigrant. But BATS is a very good place for pickups.[/QUOTE]There are more freelance WGs at BATS than anywhere in town. There are very few WGs in immigrant. But if you are young and have game, you can pull freebies. And the girls are better looking at immigrant than they are at BATS.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1653490]There are more freelance WGs at BATS than anywhere in town. [/QUOTE]Anyone have any intel on what the BATS freelancers are charging LT?

Styk.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1653490]There are more freelance WGs at BATS than anywhere in town. There are very few WGs in immigrant. But if you are young and have game, you can pull freebies. And the girls are better looking at immigrant than they are at BATS.[/QUOTE]Agree totally with smoothy. As far as I have experienced there are no true W / GS in Immigrant. But lots of girls that will easily cost you 1 m in drinks in any one night.

If you are good looking, and a funkstar, or look wealthy. Then yes you will score, but you got to be 'the man' and exude confidence and wealth.

And you cannot compare BATS to Immigrant.

BATS is for white guys to find W / GS, some classy but most not. Think Brix at the Hyatt in Singapore and you got it.

Immigrant is for very classy Indo girls to find wealthy guys (usually chinese, but some euro white guys and some wealthy indos) .

Guys are classy looking. Most girls arent on the take but will cost you more in their drinks for the night than BATS will.

Simply, BATS is a sure thing, and the girls from Immigrant would never step foot into BATS.

Immigrant is a challenge, especially solo and without a group.

Depends a bit on your age. My personal easier options to score compared to Immigrant are Dragonfly, Fable, X2.

[QUOTE=Stykler;1653572]Anyone have any intel on what the BATS freelancers are charging LT?

Styk.[/QUOTE]Most asking 800 k for ST and 1. 2 for LT.

Will start with 1 m or even 1. 5 m for ST, But that's if your first answer is 'I've just arrived and I'm staying in a 5 star hotel and all indo women are gorgeous'.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1653631]Immigrant is a challenge, especially solo and without a group.[/QUOTE]Actually found the opposite to be true.

Going with a bunch of Indonesian guys especially the Chinese they are quite fragile and aren't too keen of having a foreigner pull one of their girls. The whole concept of going as a group and working together to pull doesn't exist, instead they all want to compete directly with me. In other words, they tend to get jealous and that creates a lot of drama and embarrassment later. That's my personal experience anyway over the numerous times I went with the so-called "classy locals".

I've had no problem pulling in Immigrant solo. In any case, there's always a backup plan in the Kota places if I didn't score.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1653684]I've had no problem pulling in Immigrant solo.[/QUOTE]Egy, it may not be difficult for you to pull chicks from there, but it's not so easy for us old, fat guys to pull from immigrant. I think as long as you are under 35 and relatively good looking, immigrant is a good pickup spot if you are solo. I was 30 years old when I first came to Jakarta. Those were the greatest times! I could pull a chick from absolutely anywhere in town with no effort at all. I'd walk through the shopping malls and pretty much every girl's head would turn to check me out. Now, I'd be lucky if an old grandmother checked me out.

I agree that the locals aren't going to help you in a group unless you are close friends with them and they think you are looking for a serious relationship. In that case, they might try to hook you up with one of their friends. The best locals to know are the gays. They can be quite helpful hooking you up with a chick if they think you are a good guy. The indo chicks seem to trust their gay friends more than their guy friends.

I think the local guys have a different mindset from the expat guys. I find that if you get a bunch of westerners together and have a table with a couple of bottles at your table where it looks like you don't mind spending money, the girls will be interested in joining and the guys work together to help each other out. That being said, it's cheaper for us older guys to go to BATS and pay the money directly rather than buying all those drinks and going through the trouble of impressing the chicks at immigrant.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1653634]But that's if your first answer is 'I've just arrived and I'm staying in a 5 star hotel and all indo women are gorgeous'.[/QUOTE]That's funny and brings back embarrassing memories of when I first arrived in town a dozen years ago all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed and with too much money burning a hole in my pocket.

As for the Immigrant issue, Smoothy nails it for me, I have come to a point in my life when the cheap and cheerful, all-you-can-eat buffet option that is Jakarta pick up bars appeals to me so much more than the gourmet, fine-dining option of somewhere like Immigrant.

Life's too short at this stage to chase high-maintenance birds with over-inflated ideas of the value of their vaginas. There are no mountains I need to climb, I've ticked off all the challenges in my life that I ever set myself (and there were damn few of them if I'm honest).

But each to their own, good luck in whatever floats your boat.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1653634]Most asking 800 k for ST and 1. 2 for LT.

Will start with 1 m or even 1. 5 m for ST, But that's if your first answer is 'I've just arrived and I'm staying in a 5 star hotel and all indo women are gorgeous'.[/QUOTE]Thanks HHM.

Much appreciated.

Styk.

Hi Friends,

After dissapointment at BLOK-M, wanted to try different avenues. Henced moved around the city. I will list out my experiences.

1) Hotel Travel: After reading so much on internet. Entered the place with full of expectations. But the quality was poor. (all around 6/10). No english as usual. Had a beer and left the place. Rating 5/10.

2) Hotel Classic: reached early around 7 pm. Went to second floor. Wow this place is awesome (most of the girls 7/10 and some in 8 range). Divided into 4 groups (different dress colours). 350 k for one and 500 k for two flat. But the catch is you have to select two from the same group (Same colour) (no mixing). Had a plump one. After entering the room, found out to be Jakarta local. Well deed was average (6. 5/10). I feel like even though indonesian girls look hot, they are not that competent at bed (may be I am generalising too early, but I rate malay women top rank in matter of service at bed). Anways after exhaustion come out and enjoy show which stars around 8. 30. Highest collection of girls (around 100-150) Note: If you want to check other floors of classic, do that before taking a girl. I don't know why security for some strange reason does not allow you out until you pay and remove the band. Rating 8/10 (economical place with lot of choice).

3) Maliboro spa: Reached around 9. 30 after having dinner. Entrance 120 k IDR (don't remember exactly). Holly molly. The perfect stripper place (only topless). Let me tell you I have seen a indo (or may be mixed) having the hottest pair of boobs here. I'm sure they were doctored, because we see such pair either in dreams or porn movies. Anyways was delighted to see the place. Lots of uzbeks (known for their bad service), Few kazakhs (charming beauties) and also I saw may be a korean girls and wow she was in a school girl attire definitely the GF looks. But anyways as I just had a session didn't choose the girl (prices Local - 750 - 1200 K IDR, import 1. 8- 2 mil IDR).

Rating (8/10 - one of the best strip place).

4) Alexis: Reached around 11 pm. This place is designed for upper circuit. Entrance - 175 k IDR. A mamasan grabs me at the entrance and takes me to upper floor to choose a girl. I said no. But she insists, please have a look. I said ok. Goddman what an artfully designed place is this. ! And the girls arrive all okish 6-8/10. I say thank you mam and move to top floor, where we can have a dip in hot tub a) with girl for 1. 1 mill to 2. 5 mill IDR b) by yourself - 0 IDR. I chose the second one. But once I was taking a dip, a guy chose an PRC for may be 2. 2 Mill IDR (200 USD). Wow she was hot (easily 8. 5-9/10, I don't know how the service was, but they were making out in tub. Awesome.) Yes this is the place if you cash, you will get all, Indo, PRC, Viet, Uzbek, Kazak and sometimes russian too.

Rating - 8. 5/10 For the Upper circuit.

5) Kings Cross. Finally I reach at Kings cross may be around 12.30 am. The show stops around 1 am (doesn't remember exactly). This is the full monty stripper place in Jakarta. All the girls get into birthday suits while dancing. Wow my lifes first full monty stripper show, amazing. The girls here may pester you for drinks and say they will sit with if you buy them drinks. I would rather take them to massage room for 500 k IDR. But I have seen one of the best live music here. Very peppy, one singer almost is a replica of Rihanna (including shape, size, colour, haircut and even tone. Wow that was something) Girls rating 6-8/10. Around 50-70 girls, but kings cross is a bit far from other venues.

Rating - 8/10.

Final word. I LOVE Jakarta. Never in my life I partied so late. I reached hotel by 4 am and my mind was asking for more and I don't think anywhere in the world you get so many happening night life places, all unique in their own way in the same city for such a cheap price. Overall rating Jakarta for mongering destination - 8. 5/10 (minus 1 for no english).

Rocky.

Read Juta for mill (ex 1. 5 mill).

Sorry typographical mistake.

[QUOTE=RockyDStar143;1654084]and also I saw may be a korean girls and wow she was in a school girl attire definitely the GF looks.[/QUOTE]Definitely no Korean imports at Malioboro.

Aside from the PRC, Vietnamese and Uzbek you may stumble across the odd Latina or Russian MILF. Hell, I've even taken Spanish and Thai before, but no Koreans.

[QUOTE=RockyDStar143;1654084]Hi Friends,

After dissapointment at BLOK-M, wanted to try different avenues. Henced moved around the city. I will list out my experiences.

....

Final word. I LOVE Jakarta. Never in my life I partied so late. I reached hotel by 4 am and my mind was asking for more and I don't think anywhere in the world you get so many happening night life places, all unique in their own way in the same city for such a cheap price. Overall rating Jakarta for mongering destination - 8. 5/10 (minus 1 for no english).

Rocky.[/QUOTE]Thanks for a great summary. I am heading back to Jakarta after a couple of years absence. Used to go there monthly for a few years so quite excited to see how thing are and if anything has changed.

[QUOTE=RockyDStar143;1654084]

3) Maliboro spa: The perfect stripper place (only topless). Let me tell you I have seen a indo (or may be mixed) having the hottest pair of boobs here.

4) Alexis: A mamasan grabs me at the entrance and takes me to upper floor to choose a girl.

[/QUOTE]Hey Rocky.

Seems like you appreciate a full monty show. Well then just an extra comment on these 2 venues above.

If your at Maliboro, walk down past the main street entrance, to the back right. You will find a club called Malio club. It is full strip with about 8 girls on stage at any one time. The girls rotate off and then come and do lapdances.

If your at Alexis, walk to the left on ground floor when you enter into a bar called Foreplay. Same as above.

I like these venues to get into the mood, bit of an entree before the main course.

Have fun otu there.

Last night was my second ever night in Jakarta. Decided to check out Classic and had an overall good session. Not mind-blowing but good.

Fought through traffic and arrived there at about 6-7. The hotel staff were helpful in directing me to the third floor (L2). When I got to a door where loud edm was leaking through, I asked the security guards if this was Terminal. I got a confused look from one, while another confirmed I was in the right place with a chuckle. I was given a number and walked in.

The whole time between me getting through security and getting to a private room with a girl, was a big stumble just figuring out the processes in this place esp. As a foreigner. Here are a few points about classic that would have been useful to me before I went in:

- After security check, you're given a tag on your wrist with an I'd number. Everything you order is associated with your I'd.

- Entry fee, drinks etc paid on exit. Counter is opposite the entrance. Once you've paid they'll give you a pass to give to security to confirm you've paid your dues and cab leave.

- On this night at least (Monday) there were girls dancing topless on stage. After a time, a few will walk off stage offering a lapdance for lady drinks. I should have said no and I haemorrhaged 300 k in about 5 mins. She realised I was a foreigner and was just slamming shots down. Could have had another the session with that money, but you live and learn.

- order drinks through the waitresses roaming around (first thing I did was walk up to the bar when I got in). They'll give you a receipt and associate it with your number. They give it to you to check and sign. Receipt process applies for anything you buy.

- bar chairs and tables arranged on the floor with girls seated in groups (each group with a uniform). Don't know if there are different nationalities represented or if all the girls are indonesian. Can anyone confirm if international girls are available? Language barrier meant I couldn't get this info out of the girls or the mamasan.

- The pushy mamasan I relented to (had a green laser pointer) insisted I pay 350 k up front for the girl I chose. Not sure if this is standard for all groups of girls.

Anyway, since it was my first time I was fine with a pushy mamasan presenting me with girl after girl. Picked one I liked, indicated that I wanted to head off and we landed in a private room a floor down. In general I found the girls here ticked all my boxes in terms of the hotness department.

Girls name was Zheena, slim playful Javanese girl with strawberry blonde hair. Her english is as you expect (next to none) which took away from the session. Not much else to write home about: shower, kissing (no DFK), BBBJ, DATY fucking.

Was a good experience just to see how the locals in Jakarta get their dicks wet. Still, would be nice to have a session where I can have a conversation with a girl. Along those lines, where can I meet a Viet girl in Jakarta? From previous reports, I've got Emporivm and Alexis on my list, any others I should look into?

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1654330]Hey Rocky.

Seems like you appreciate a full monty show. Well then just an extra comment on these 2 venues above.

If your at Maliboro, walk down past the main street entrance, to the back right. You will find a club called Malio club. It is full strip with about 8 girls on stage at any one time. The girls rotate off and then come and do lapdances.

.[/QUOTE]Malio and Malioboro are the same venue. They're connected together on about the 3rd floor maybe not something they advertise to mister londo. When you walk up the stairs -you'll know where the bridge is. As it has the security guards sitting attentively at both ends. Your wrist band will work to buy drinks from both clubs. You just need to remember which club you entered from when you leave. The artwork on the wall at the outside malioboro / malio concierge is also impressive.

The show I would recommend is the nude lesbian one which has a keystone cops feel with the girls rolling over each other. It's in the private "hidden" club at Empornium. It's the same hotel as mentioned in reviews here but you won't be directed to it by reception. You take the lift to about the second floor, pay an entrance fee for a drink and then walk up a flight of stairs with a fancy balcony. You won't get in if you're in a large group unless your a regular but you'll get in on your own if sober and able to speak some small-talk Indoensian. It's open to about 4 - 5 am much later than the meathouse / sauna downstairs.

As Smoothy mentioned gay guys / bencong in Jakarta are always useful and this club takes this approach one step further. Instead of mamasans you get fagasans camping it up and finding the girls that match your requirements. It's got quite a few of the Alexis girls who didn't match their quotas on earlier shifts in Ancol. These fagasans are very approachable and quite inventive as selling, I'm not sure if they speak English. Afterwards there's a very famous chicken porridge restaurant on Pecenongan where can get breakfast with fellow revellers.

Sorry I'm terrible with names so can't remember the name of the snug club in Empornium or the Bubur restaurant. Maybe someone else knows.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1654188]Definitely no Korean imports at Malioboro.

Aside from the PRC, Vietnamese and Uzbek you may stumble across the odd Latina or Russian MILF. Hell, I've even taken Spanish and Thai before, but no Koreans.[/QUOTE]About 3 / 4 years ago, Malio did have some Koreans; pricing higher than the PRC's IIRC at that time it was 1.6 mill for PRC's and 2 mill for the Koreans. Also had some Russian / Ukraine girls.

Nowadays seems to be more Uzbek and China only, plus a few from South America on occasion.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1654535]Malio and Malioboro are the same venue. They're connected together on about the 3rd floor maybe not something they advertise to mister londo. When you walk up the stairs -you'll know where the bridge is. As it has the security guards sitting attentively at both ends. Your wrist band will work to buy drinks from both clubs. You just need to remember which club you entered from when you leave. The artwork on the wall at the outside malioboro / malio concierge is also impressive.

The show I would recommend is the nude lesbian one which has a keystone cops feel with the girls rolling over each other. It's in the private "hidden" club at Empornium. It's the same hotel as mentioned in reviews here but you won't be directed to it by reception. You take the lift to about the second floor, pay an entrance fee for a drink and then walk up a flight of stairs with a fancy balcony. You won't get in if you're in a large group unless your a regular but you'll get in on your own if sober and able to speak some small-talk Indoensian. It's open to about 4 - 5 am much later than the meathouse / sauna downstairs..[/QUOTE]Tease Club.

I arrive from the province to Gambir at 1 am and fly out of Soekarno at 8 am.

Any suggestions for late night fun at that time of night before leaving Indonesia?

Thanks,

Traveler

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;1655350]I arrive from the province to Gambir at 1 am and fly out of Soekarno at 8 am.

Any suggestions for late night fun at that time of night before leaving Indonesia?

Thanks,

Traveler[/QUOTE]Gambir is central, so you should have your pick of city locations. If you want to start moving towards the airport, some of the northern places should still be open. Google Alexis hotel and see what time they are open until. While I have yet to go there, it has been reviewed positively many times here, and I have seen it as I drive by on the toll road so know where it is.

If you want to get some sleep, you could get a room in one of the many airport hotels, the massage girls are usually up for it. Orchardz has been well reviewed here, but you would need to confirm what time they are open until. I stayed there once, my balls were already empty so I did not sample the massage girls, but the lift opened on the spa floor as I was going to my room and I saw a few nice looking girls and when they saw I was a bule they all gave me the "come fuck me" eyes. I was very tempted, and made a note to try it next time I get an airport hotel.

If you do get a hotel, and you have time to work the dating sites, I am sure you could get a girl to come meet you as well.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;1655350]I arrive from the province to Gambir at 1 am and fly out of Soekarno at 8 am.
Any suggestions for late night fun at that time of night before leaving Indonesia?

[/QUOTE]Hi Traveler. I think some fun is possible, but you should factor to the airport travel time, check in and immigration delays, etc. You should think about being AT the airport by 06:30.

What day of the week are you planning this adventure? Saturday night and Sunday morning, you should be able to avoid major traffic delays. Weekdays, you will have a long drive from anywhere to anywhere.

I don't think an airport hotel is great idea, because of the check-in and check-out time and the MP option will be hit-and-miss at 2 am.

You could try one of the hotels (Classic, Travel, Alexis) to get laid and get moving to the airport. I just don't think you'll get any sleep!

Let us know what you do! TTG.

Yeah, scratch my idea of airport hotel, I just checked the Orchardz website and was surprised to learn that the spa closes at 10 pm.

The last time I stayed in Jakarta was a year ago. I'm about to head over there again. Last time I tried something special and actually stayed in Hotel Travel. I read a false report that you could take your working girl up to your room if you were staying there. Turns out the integral brothel is run as a separate operation and you have to pay the usual crazy fee to take the girl to your room. So I didn't bother.

The room I stayed in cost about $50. It was a vast marble palace. I need a big space to think in (I work when I travel) and this was perfect. They have smaller rooms. It was a bastard to book Hotel Travel over the phone. They have very little English and hang up the phone all the time. I had to check very carefully that they had my reservation. It worked out. It isn't worth going back because you can book other places more easily and you get a room throw in with the working girl at Travel. So I will stay somewhere nearby and just visit.

In the past years I had many experiences. The line up changes frequently. So I am not sure I can rate the quality of the girls as a fixed proposition. Years ago I fucked a 20 year Angel who was 5'8" and had a firm body. She insisted on a condom for fucking. About 50% of the time girls in travel are willing to bareback with me. I found that girls at Melawi hotel go BB 100% of the time and are OK with things like Anal on occasion. But the price there is 600 k and the girls are dogs (my finding).

To get a girl to BB I use foreplay. Firstly touching then fanny stimulation then a bit with the mouth to make her slippery and finally brisk action with finger in her **** and thumb over the clitoris. The last girl I did there was hot didn't stop me slipping it in after this treatment. She told me to cum outside. After a few minutes fucking she told me to cum inside. Another trick is to tell a girl she is beautiful or that you love her. Those seem to be stimulating sucker words for the female of the species.

This trip I will try some of the online dating services. I don't want my picture to be found in a reverse image search so I found an online holiday photo of someone about my age and about as attractive an cut that to size. Suggest you think about doing the same if you are worried about being researched and exposed.

[QUOTE=Bartle;1656086]About 50% of the time girls in travel are willing to bareback with me. I found that girls at Melawi hotel go BB 100% of the time and are OK with things like Anal on occasion. But the price there is 600 k and the girls are dogs (my finding).

To get a girl to BB I use foreplay. Firstly touching then fanny stimulation then a bit with the mouth to make her slippery and finally brisk action with finger in her **** and thumb over the clitoris. The last girl I did there was hot didn't stop me slipping it in after this treatment. She told me to cum outside. After a few minutes fucking she told me to cum inside. Another trick is to tell a girl she is beautiful or that you love her. Those seem to be stimulating sucker words for the female of the species.[/QUOTE]In Travel for me I can get it 100% of the time if I tip nicely. Worst case scenario, insist on a blowjob only then she'll get the hint and agree to bareback FS after she gets bored or tired.

In other places in Kota you can actually cancel the session if the girl forces the condom if it's not past 20 minutes yet free of charge.

The only time I've not had any luck even with tipping is with the imports (PRC, Vietnamese and Uzbek etc.) in Malio, Alexis and Classic Bunker who absolutely demand you use the condom.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1656171]In Travel for me I can get it 100% of the time if I tip nicely. Worst case scenario, insist on a blowjob only then she'll get the hint and agree to bareback FS after she gets bored or tired.

In other places in Kota you can actually cancel the session if the girl forces the condom if it's not past 20 minutes yet free of charge.[/QUOTE]I've always tipped quite well for good performers in Travel, but after the session. Do you negotiate the rip for BB at the start of the session?

Also is there a post somewhere mentioning names / locations of some of these other Kota places? I keep seeing mentions of them on here but not specifics.

I've been to Jakarta several times and my favorite places are BATS, Hotel Alexis and Sun City. I always do well at these places. However, I've never been to Immigrant. Are there working girls there? I'm about 50, slim and good-looking. I don't want a freebie, but I would like to get a young looker to go with me. I'm willing to pay the going rate. Will I find someone at Immigrant? What is the going rate? Where is Immigrant? Is it a bar? Any information would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=Canyon;1656318]I've been to Jakarta several times and my favorite places are BATS, Hotel Alexis and Sun City. I always do well at these places. However, I've never been to Immigrant. Are there working girls there? I'm about 50, slim and good-looking. I don't want a freebie, but I would like to get a young looker to go with me. I'm willing to pay the going rate. Will I find someone at Immigrant?[/QUOTE]Immigrant isn't a place known for working girls, but you may get the odd ayam every now and then. Have you tried CJ's in Hotel Mulia?

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1656171]In Travel for me I can get it 100% of the time if I tip nicely. Worst case scenario, insist on a blowjob only then she'll get the hint and agree to bareback FS after she gets bored or tired.

In other places in Kota you can actually cancel the session if the girl forces the condom if it's not past 20 minutes yet free of charge.

The only time I've not had any luck even with tipping is with the imports (PRC, Vietnamese and Uzbek etc.) in Malio, Alexis and Classic Bunker who absolutely demand you use the condom.[/QUOTE]Very useful information. Thanks. How much tip do you offer the girl before the session starts in Travel and the like? I never thought about doing that before.

What are the other places in Kota where you can change the girl for demanding a condom? The management agree to that or do you just say she is no good? What is your approach to management?

I won't bother with foreign imports. I am going to spend a night in KL before hitting Jakarta. I will fuck a skinny teen Viet girl at one of the MPs there. The cost is 168 MYR for a fuck. That is the only good mongering thing for me in KL. I find Beach club over priced and a hassle.

[QUOTE=Canyon;1656318]I've been to Jakarta several times and my favorite places are BATS, Hotel Alexis and Sun City. I always do well at these places. However, I've never been to Immigrant. Are there working girls there? I'm about 50, slim and good-looking. I don't want a freebie, but I would like to get a young looker to go with me. I'm willing to pay the going rate. Will I find someone at Immigrant? What is the going rate? Where is Immigrant? Is it a bar? Any information would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I think you will want a "wing man" for immigrant. You have all of the hassle of picking up a non-pro girl and then you have to pay for it. It doesn't make sense to me. But I wish you joy.

I eschew BATS etc. As I think they are a waste of time. You have to go and hang out for hours in an expensive venue. Many of the girls are dogs and so your experience will be hit and miss. I got bored at 1 am last time I went there and left. Passed three super attractive girls entering the hotel who told me to turn around. But I was bored with wasting my time over fat / ugly girls for so long. In the straight sex transaction places you get cunts on demand. The strip joints sound nice to liven things up. Aside from that the online dating sites look very interesting. I am dirty old man and the first search I enter is "from ages 18 to 20". The way the west is going that will earn you a jail sentence in a few years.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1656171]In Travel for me I can get it 100% of the time if I tip nicely. Worst case scenario, insist on a blowjob only then she'll get the hint and agree to bareback FS after she gets bored or tired.

In other places in Kota you can actually cancel the session if the girl forces the condom if it's not past 20 minutes yet free of charge.

The only time I've not had any luck even with tipping is with the imports (PRC, Vietnamese and Uzbek etc.) in Malio, Alexis and Classic Bunker who absolutely demand you use the condom.[/QUOTE]How up to date is your information on Kota places and Travel? From what I have been told (by a papa-san around five months ago) there have been NGO's accompanied by government officials going around to many of the places telling them they need to enforce condom usage or else. And I heard from a friend who visited more recently that some of the usual suspects are complying with this rather strictly. Then again the pendulum could swing back or maybe already has.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1656350]How up to date is your information on Kota places and Travel? From what I have been told (by a papa-san around five months ago) there have been NGO's accompanied by government officials going around to many of the places telling them they need to enforce condom usage or else.[/QUOTE]Or else what? It's not like they can just kick them out. They do have a certain quota to fill.

The NGOs are powerless and can't fix something as complicated as this.

With all the bureaucracy going around to get simple things done as it is, I doubt that story is real.

My information about getting 100% (with the exception of import talent at Malio, Alexis and Classic) is up to date and accurate, since I live here and monger on a daily basis. And have been doing so for the past 3 or 4 years.

By the way, it's the same for freelancers too, not just Kota places (I. E. BATS, Blok M, CJ's etc.). Bareback is 100% guaranteed if you are patient and know how to play it right.

One thing you should know is, it's an extremely competitive market here and definitely to our advantage as mongers, so insisting on condom or turning down a client is not in their best interest because they know the next girl will gladly do it bareback with you. Besides, it's no secret that the local men don't use them anyway (though the girls like to pretend everyone uses them to give the impression they are clean).

[QUOTE=Canyon;1656318]I've been to Jakarta several times and my favorite places are BATS, Hotel Alexis and Sun City. I always do well at these places. However, I've never been to Immigrant. Are there working girls there? I'm about 50, slim and good-looking. I don't want a freebie, but I would like to get a young looker to go with me. I'm willing to pay the going rate. Will I find someone at Immigrant? What is the going rate? Where is Immigrant? Is it a bar? Any information would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I don't see any advantage for you to go there if you don't want a freebie. Its a club more like Dragonfly X2 etc where you could go to meet a freebie.

[QUOTE=Canyon;1656318]I've been to Jakarta several times and my favorite places are BATS, Hotel Alexis and Sun City. I always do well at these places. [/QUOTE]An overweight bald midget with one leg and wearing an eye patch could do well at those places. Those places have strictly prostitutes. Immigrant is a whole different world. If you want to try it, Immigrant is in EX (EX is connected to Plaza Indonesia at the Grand Hyatt hotel). Just find the movie theater in that mall and you will easily find Immigrant.

[QUOTE=Bartle;1656347]Very useful information. Thanks. How much tip do you offer the girl before the session starts in Travel and the like? I never thought about doing that before.

What are the other places in Kota where you can change the girl for demanding a condom? The management agree to that or do you just say she is no good? What is your approach to management?[/QUOTE]It depends on the girl. If she's obviously a popular girl and gets a lot of clients, getting her to go bareback gets harder. So the tip is higher also. But standard tip is always 100 k.

Tipping is always negotiated as soon as she starts demanding condom and gives the usual "harus pake kondom" blabber. And you pay at the end.

I can't say which places you are allowed to change the girl for fear they'll suddenly get overwhelmed by mongers who abuse this policy, but believe me it is possible. You deal with the mamasan or papasan directly in case you want to change the girl, but you may need to have established an already good relationship with them (I. E. Stay with the same mamasan always when you go, be a regular client and tip her every now and then).

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1656358].Bareback is 100% guaranteed if you are patient and know how to play it right.

[/QUOTE]Well as I suggested things have changed and you have confirmed this. Until relatively recently being patient and knowing how to play it right was not part of the equation.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1656358]With all the bureaucracy going around to get simple things done as it is, I doubt that story is real.[/QUOTE]

This occurred at a bar where in the immediate vicinity pro condom, anti HIV posters had recently been plastered at various places in the alley. So something seemed to be up. Moreover, I have known this papa-san for years and doubt he would make this story up. At the same time, places like LABar, in a different area (Penjay), were putting significant pressure on their girls to use condoms, as I and others quite familiar with the Jakarta scene observed on recent occasions. I'm not suggesting there is a 100 percent ban on barebacking, just that it is not as available as it used to be (unless one goes to freelancers, or perhaps Maribaya (which I gave up on sometime ago for other reasons)). And although as I suggested earlier it is possible this will pass, there are some bars that had been very easy, but have become rather difficult to go bareback.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1656502]An overweight bald midget with one leg and wearing an eye patch could do well at those places. .[/QUOTE]At a place like Hotel Classic or Travel this is a sight you may very well see. And, who knows it could be fast Eddie himself.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1656613]This occurred at a bar where in the immediate vicinity pro condom, anti HIV posters had recently been plastered at various places in the alley. So something seemed to be up. [/QUOTE]These anti-HIV posters have been there for years in most establishments.

[QUOTE]I'm not suggesting there is a 100 percent ban on barebacking, just that it is not as available as it used to be[/QUOTE]Do you tip them as much as they ask during the negotiation process? Do you pick a girl and just straight up head to the room or do you sit with her and do some chit chat and sweet talk? Do you offer to buy her drinks and cigarettes? How is your Bahasa and are you patient / persistent enough to get them to change their mind?

I still say it's 100%. Definitely can't say the same for Thailand.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1656613]Well as I suggested things have changed and you have confirmed this. Until relatively recently being patient and knowing how to play it right was not part of the equation.



This occurred at a bar where in the immediate vicinity pro condom, anti HIV posters had recently been plastered at various places in the alley. So something seemed to be up. Moreover, I have known this papa-san for years and doubt he would make this story up. At the same time, places like LABar, in a different area (Penjay), were putting significant pressure on their girls to use condoms, as I and others quite familiar with the Jakarta scene observed on recent occasions. I'm not suggesting there is a 100 percent ban on barebacking, just that it is not as available as it used to be (unless one goes to freelancers, or perhaps Maribaya (which I gave up on sometime ago for other reasons)). And although as I suggested earlier it is possible this will pass, there are some bars that had been very easy, but have become rather difficult to go bareback.[/QUOTE]

I think it mostly depends on the location.
I never used a condom in the VIP room in D's or with girls (dancers) I took home from D's. Same with Maribaya girls or Top Gun girls.
Kartika girls use condoms as a matter of course.

Regards,
Ko.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1656502]An overweight bald midget with one leg and wearing an eye patch could do well at those places. Those places have strictly prostitutes. <SNIP> [/QUOTE]

:-D

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1656642]I think it mostly depends on the location.
I never used a condom in the VIP room in D's or with girls (dancers) I took home from D's. Same with Maribaya girls or Top Gun girls.
Kartika girls use condoms as a matter of course.

Regards,
Ko.[/QUOTE]That is exactly right in my experience. The increased pressure to use condoms seems to be primarily in the Kota or North Jakarta area and has spread from Kartika to some of the other nearby bars, as well as some, if not most, of the Penjay places.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1656642]I never used a condom in the VIP room in D's or with girls (dancers) I took home from D's. Same with Maribaya girls or Top Gun girls..[/QUOTE]One thing that put me off taking a DS girl to the VIP room was the chance she would demand a condom and then (for me) my money would be wasted. So that is good to know. The DS room girls seem to charge 300 k for a blow job and?? For full sex. I hear from various reports. Some say 800 k for BJ including hiring your space in the room. I saw one very cute dancer last year. I didn't fancy the others. There is the opportunity cost of going with them against Travel / Classic and the like that are so easy and cheap.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1656642]Kartika girls use condoms as a matter of course.[/QUOTE]Where is that place? (So I can avoid it).

Bareback is one reason I go to Jakarta (and the Philippines) and never Thailand.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1656618]At a place like Hotel Classic or Travel this is a sight you may very well see. And, who knows it could be fast Eddie himself.[/QUOTE]Maybe and maybe that's why he's reluctant to meet us (grin). But, he must understand that we are brothers. So, there's no reason for restraint!

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1656634]These anti-HIV posters have been there for years in most establishments.

Do you tip them as much as they ask during the negotiation process? Do you pick a girl and just straight up head to the room or do you sit with her and do some chit chat and sweet talk? Do you offer to buy her drinks and cigarettes? How is your Bahasa and are you patient / persistent enough to get them to change their mind?

I still say it's 100%. Definitely can't say the same for Thailand.[/QUOTE]No the anti-HIV posters that I referred to were new and as I mentioned earlier were not in an establishment.

I'm actually not interested in being persistent enough to get a girl who insists on using a condom to change her mind. That is not my idea of fun. Until recently, I simply asked the mama-sans I knew or in one case the papa-san to tell me which girls would go condomless or if there was a girl I had my eye on, I would ask specifically about that girl and more often than not the mama-san or papa-san would arrange it. There were five mama-sans / papa-sans I knew fairly well who would do this gladly and I never had a problem in this regard once in the room. About six months ago, four of the five suddenly stopped doing this for me, all during the same month, and told me all the girls now had to use condoms. The papa-san I referred to earlier explained this was the result of an effort by some NGO's with the government officials at their side to enforce condom usage.

If you are contending nothing has changed in this regard in Kota and North Jakarta over the course of the last couple of years, you are wrong. By the way, I cannot remember the last time I used a condom in Jakarta, but I now restrict myself to a small subset of the venues I used to frequent.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1656796]Maybe and maybe that's why he's reluctant to meet us (grin). But, he must understand that we are brothers. So, there's no reason for restraint![/QUOTE]There is always hope. See you in January.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1656924]There is always hope. See you in January.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]It would be nice if he could join us (grin). Zijn de messen al geslepen?

[QUOTE=Menteng;1657169]It would be nice if he could join us (grin). Zijn de messen al geslepen?[/QUOTE]That won't be neccessary. He will not be there since he doesn't even know where Jakarta is :->

Never been with Frida, but I met with the girl in Red next to Frida on that photo. Her name is Liana, a decent girl. Met at Topgun, paid 900.000 overnight. She did not allow Bareback.

Anyone else tried her, think she is a regular at Topgun since I have seen her on multiple occasions.

Photo from her whatsapp.

Wamena

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1651188]I think many of us have over the years.

Thanks for the info. I'm glad to hear she's done well. I haven't been with her in many years, but was surprised to hear she had such an elaborate party. Good on her. There aren't many girls on the Blok over the last 15 years or so who I would rate as attractive as Frida. She's a looker. I've always wondered why some guy hasn't taken her off the market yet.

Attached is a photo of her. She's the one in the black and white dress.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bartle;1656694]One thing that put me off taking a DS girl to the VIP room was the chance she would demand a condom and then (for me) my money would be wasted. So that is good to know. The DS room girls seem to charge 300 k for a blow job and?? For full sex. I hear from various reports. Some say 800 k for BJ including hiring your space in the room. I saw one very cute dancer last year. I didn't fancy the others. There is the opportunity cost of going with them against Travel / Classic and the like that are so easy and cheap.

.[/QUOTE]FS in the VIP room is normally 500 K, with the usual variables to be factored in.

Speaking of Dancers, I was in the's last night and they seem to have a raft of new ones, many of which are very trim.

Should suit Ko on his next visit.

Hi colleagues.

Been a while since I have contributed anything of any use, so here's a little update of the past week.

Did a Maribaya visit, approx. 7 pm on a week night. About 15 girls in attendance, quality seemed low to me, many rather round butt shaped women. Anyway, after a beer of observing I signaled a girl to come over. Her name was Rezma, which I later found out was 25 yrs old, married at 14 with her first and only child at 15, from Central Java Jepara (famous for its woodwork and on the coast). She didn't want face photos taken, but she is image16 and 17 in the photo gallery. Get down to business, BBBJ with great suction, tasty DATY where she literally quivered and stopped blowing me with excitement, missionary, ending in doggy on the bed. Condom used, but she would have accepted not. Beer and tip all up 690 k.

Next day, lined up a mid 30's divorced mother from Scout. Met in a cheapie hotel in the city, she had a fantasy to be rapped well I wasn't going to do that, but we agreed to her arriving at hotel door with no panties on under her skirt and I handed a blindfold thru the slightly open door. Then for the next 45 minutes she was extremely submissive, if not a little shy, whilst I had my way with her. She claimed to be 1 yr without sex, and got into the swing of it after a few minutes of me inside, she was really really wet with DATY (plus non of this pussy washing like the pro's do). No condom used at her request, and ended up with very hard and fast thrusting, again at her request (well demands to be honest). No photos, no cost.

Saturday night checked out theblok. The street was rather dead at midnight, only topgun a little busy, but zero hot girls, I would go as far as to say not even any 7's.

Moved across to DS place and I didn't partake because I couldn't see any that I liked except one sexy dancer, but my buddy grabbed her. He got the usual BBBJ in the back room for 300 k. After that we ventured into Kota and ended up in a dirty and delightfully seedy nightclub that was lots of fun, theyre all the same scene in my opinion full of locals on MDMA rolling their heads from side to side. Didn't score any girl action, but was offered plenty of young druggedup girls by various people. I recommend this scene to anyone who is young at heart and a bit of an adventurer, but its worlds away from a night at topgun.

Next day, went to my favorite FS little massage place in the south not far from Blokm. Found my favorite girl called Rima, who is in photos 2,3,5 in the gallery. She has great English skills and a really nice girl to boot. Can't remember where she is from, but she has 1 child and 25 yr old, she was a little sick with a head cold, hence the faint coin marks on her back. Got a great 1 HR massage, followed by BBBJ, DATY and FS. Her cowgirl skills were quite nice, but her doggy was great. She positioned herself standing up with one leg on the bed and one leg on the ground, and really got into it with yelping and panting. The rooms have curtain doors, so I know the other punters must have heard her yelping, but it was all worth it. 500 k to her and 200 k to the reception for the massage. This time I didn't receive rimming or give her anal, but in the past she has provided.

Also, took a look around Tanah Abang station, went down an alley or two. I didn't like this scene at all, everyone seemed quite poor and the place was really dirty. Seemed to me there were working girls hanging around the station trying to score a client. Maybe I was in the wrong place as I haven't been around the station before, but it's the most uncomfortable I have been out wondering around Jakarta for a long time.

Just another week in Jakarta, but seeing as I rarely post reports, I thought I should contribute as the board is quite slow at present.

[QUOTE=CoozeHound;1657465]FS in the VIP room is normally 500 K, with the usual variables to be factored in.

Speaking of Dancers, I was in the's last night and they seem to have a raft of new ones, many of which are very trim.

Should suit Ko on his next visit.[/QUOTE]

<Grin> .

Two weeks to go.

Guys, I found this on the Burma forum, anyone have experience with it? What your thoughts?

"1) test OraQuick Rapid Test, see this link. [URL]http://www.oraquick.com/.[/URL].

2) buy them online or in USA pharmacies, not sure about other locations, but likely.

3) cost: USD35.00 per test if purchased from Amazon in bulk of 3-6 tests.

4) reliability, check website, but generally as good as at a lab if swabbed correctly.

5) time, 20 minutes. So get the girl into the room, swab her gums and start the test. By the time you are ready for anything dangerous, that's intercourse, you should have your answer. (Nearly all data indicates that a BBBJ is close to an impossible way of transmitting HIV).

Note, if the girl has recently contracted HIV, this test will not catch it. But, IMO the girl would have to be very unlucky to have contracted it in the prior 60 days unless she was having repeated unprotected sex with an HIV+ guy. So this will catch many of the HIV+ Population, but not all. It's good additional insurance. ".

Frequent to Hotel Classic, but usually tend to use the services at the 2nd floor. This time I arrived at midnight and took the elevator up to the 5th floor. Basically the same setup as the 2nd floor, but the ladies sit on a kind of stage, compared to the sofas in the 2nd floor. Most tables were occupied at my arrival, but mamasan managed to get me a seat. Most ladies were busy at this time of the day at classic, so its better to arrive earlier in the afternoon / evening to have more to choose from. However, found a 22 year old from Cirebon, good service and spent the full hour without any rush whatsoever.

Picture attached.

Wamena

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1657514]After that we ventured into Kota and ended up in a dirty and delightfully seedy nightclub that was lots of fun, theyre all the same scene in my opinion full of locals on MDMA rolling their heads from side to side. Didn't score any girl action, but was offered plenty of young druggedup girls by various people. I recommend this scene to anyone who is young at heart and a bit of an adventurer, but its worlds away from a night at topgun.[/QUOTE]I had one on me like a baby's arm (holding an apple) reading that. Fantastic report. I stay in Kota when I visit. I wonder if I have been into the sort of place you mean. It was a pub / club perhaps called Bintang. The customers were young indos in groups. Didn't stay long. Your experience sounds a lot better than mine as I wasn't offered girls and didn't even see any attractive ones. This one was around Lokasari.

What is "scout"? I am using DIA for this trip.

At Cooze Hound thanks for the price info.

I will be in Jakarta in less than a week. Looking forward to spearing some tight little fish.

Date in Asia is good to line-up girls before hand.

Scout is a smart phone app that find girls near your current location. In a city like Jakarta it will find many many women, but it particularly useful in the regional cities where you don't know the scene.

Scout is similar to WeChat, Badoo. But I find Badoo only 'suggests' girls your age (no fun in that), and wechat's location service is a bit hit and miss.

Once on the ground try Scout, see how ya go (works best with wifi, but if you get 3 g coverage then its ok). Just be direct and open on it with what your looking for and you'll find some luck, I recommend put a good picture of yourself on it, without a picture you won't score. With a picture as a white guy you should, assuming you don't have a face like a smashed crab.

Others have had success on Tinder, but I haven't tried that one. The reason these are so successful here is that Indos are social media junkies, They are the largest twitter users int he world and have some of the lowest cost phone / data plans in the world. Many Indos you meet will have 2 or 3 phones.

Check this out, from a young bules POV ([URL]http://thejakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/blogs/tinder-fuels-indonesias-digital-sexual-revolution/[/URL]).

[QUOTE=Bartle;1658081]I had one on me like a baby's arm (holding an apple) reading that. Fantastic report. I stay in Kota when I visit. I wonder if I have been into the sort of place you mean. It was a pub / club perhaps called Bintang. The customers were young indos in groups. Didn't stay long. Your experience sounds a lot better than mine as I wasn't offered girls and didn't even see any attractive ones. This one was around Lokasari.

What is "scout"? I am using DIA for this trip.

At Cooze Hound thanks for the price info.

I will be in Jakarta in less than a week. Looking forward to spearing some tight little fish.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1658236]

Scout is a smart phone app that find girls near your current location. In a city like Jakarta it will find many many women, but it particularly useful in the regional cities where you don't know the scene.

Scout is similar to WeChat, Badoo. But I find Badoo only 'suggests' girls your age (no fun in that), and wechat's location service is a bit hit and miss.

.[/QUOTE]App is called Skout in case you couldn't find it.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1658236]Date in Asia is good to line-up girls before hand.

Scout is a smart phone app that find girls near your current location. In a city like Jakarta it will find many many women, but it particularly useful in the regional cities where you don't know the scene.

Scout is similar to WeChat, Badoo. But I find Badoo only 'suggests' girls your age (no fun in that), and wechat's location service is a bit hit and miss.

Once on the ground try Scout, see how ya go (works best with wifi, but if you get 3 g coverage then its ok). Just be direct and open on it with what your looking for and you'll find some luck, I recommend put a good picture of yourself on it, without a picture you won't score. With a picture as a white guy you should, assuming you don't have a face like a smashed crab.

Others have had success on Tinder, but I haven't tried that one. The reason these are so successful here is that Indos are social media junkies, They are the largest twitter users int he world and have some of the lowest cost phone / data plans in the world. Many Indos you meet will have 2 or 3 phones.

Check this out, from a young bules POV ([URL]http://thejakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/blogs/tinder-fuels-indonesias-digital-sexual-revolution/[/URL]).[/QUOTE][QUOTE=FreebieFan;1658322]App is called Skout in case you couldn't find it.[/QUOTE]Wow, that is great information. Thank you. I signed up for DIA and have been with chatting with a few. Skout sounds fantastic. With DIA I did't want my photo to be on record on the web, so I found a group photo including someone about my age doing mountaineering in Nepal. Which I do also. I cut his image from that to use as my photo. I'm a bit younger and better looking. So the girls won't be dissapointed when I switcheroo. If Skout doesn't broadcast photos on the internet I'd use my real one.

BTW, do all the hotels demand I'd? Last 2 trips I only used brothel / spas like travel. I think before that it was hit and miss. I'm thinking that some girls won't want to be treated like a prostitute (unless they are). Does Sparks for example demand I'd from guests? I could also do an airbnb rental to get a separate establishment.

Thanks. Got it now and have it installed. Also grabbed Tinder.

I use this for the African street hookers when I'm in Europe. I test them: if they test negative, they get my repeated business. I still, of course, use a condom.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1657841]Guys, I found this on the Burma forum, anyone have experience with it? What your thoughts?

"1) test OraQuick Rapid Test, see this link. [URL]http://www.oraquick.com/.[/URL].

2) buy them online or in USA pharmacies, not sure about other locations, but likely.

3) cost: USD35.00 per test if purchased from Amazon in bulk of 3-6 tests.

4) reliability, check website, but generally as good as at a lab if swabbed correctly.

5) time, 20 minutes. So get the girl into the room, swab her gums and start the test. By the time you are ready for anything dangerous, that's intercourse, you should have your answer. (Nearly all data indicates that a BBBJ is close to an impossible way of transmitting HIV).

Note, if the girl has recently contracted HIV, this test will not catch it. But, IMO the girl would have to be very unlucky to have contracted it in the prior 60 days unless she was having repeated unprotected sex with an HIV+ guy. So this will catch many of the HIV+ Population, but not all. It's good additional insurance. ".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1657313]That won't be neccessary. He will not be there since he doesn't even know where Jakarta is :->[/QUOTE]That should have been <evil grin> .

Regards,

Ko.

I find myself in Jakarta over the Christmas break.

Can any knowledgeable folk out there tell me if there would be a sports bar in Jakarta which would be likely to have the cricket from Australia on TV live?

Thanks heaps.

Styk.

[QUOTE=Stykler;1659050]I find myself in Jakarta over the Christmas break.

Can any knowledgeable folk out there tell me if there would be a sports bar in Jakarta which would be likely to have the cricket from Australia on TV live?

Thanks heaps.

Styk.[/QUOTE]There is a bar in block M called "The Sportsman" or "The Sports bar" or similar which fits the bill. Whether they show the cricket will I guess depend on patrons. They have pretty good western sandwiches, means and friendly staff. I normally drop in there during my visits. I may bump into you this Christmas. I arrive in Jakarta Christmas day.

Aphrodite in Kuningan, or Cazbar in Mega Kuningan. Eastern Promise and Fez in Kemang will show it, but open later than these two venues.

[QUOTE=Stykler;1659050]I find myself in Jakarta over the Christmas break.

Can any knowledgeable folk out there tell me if there would be a sports bar in Jakarta which would be likely to have the cricket from Australia on TV live?

Thanks heaps.

Styk.[/QUOTE]

Hello guys,

Thanks in advance for suggestions. I am new to Jakarta, where I will arrive on 28th, so next week.

I went through the posts, but I was getting confused. Can someone recap some basic info, such as:

- best clubs to go on Sunday-Monday-Tue-Wed-Thu, as unfortunately I won't be in Jakarta in weekend probably. Is X2 currently open?

- any good 4 stars hotel to recommend with the following requirements?

A) close to nightlife (which is the are with good sexy and not-sexy lifestyle? So better to stay close to Hotel Travel? Or close to Hotel Mulia? Or close to Immigrant? Someone recommended me the Mellinnium hotel (4 stars).

B) zero problems to bring girls to room (I will book a double-room).

C) swimming pool is a must.

D) possibly around 50-55 / night double room, not more.

- good restaurants to bring and impress enough Indo girls, but not so expensive on the same time.

Thanks for any advice.

[QUOTE=Osmotico77;1659127]Hello guys,

Thanks in advance for suggestions. I am new to Jakarta, where I will arrive on 28th, so next week.

I went through the posts, but I was getting confused. Can someone recap some basic info, such as:

- best clubs to go on Sunday-Monday-Tue-Wed-Thu, as unfortunately I won't be in Jakarta in weekend probably. Is X2 currently open?

- any good 4 stars hotel to recommend with the following requirements?

A) close to nightlife (which is the are with good sexy and not-sexy lifestyle? So better to stay close to Hotel Travel? Or close to Hotel Mulia? Or close to Immigrant? Someone recommended me the Mellinnium hotel (4 stars).

B) zero problems to bring girls to room (I will book a double-room).

C) swimming pool is a must.

D) possibly around 50-55 / night double room, not more.

- good restaurants to bring and impress enough Indo girls, but not so expensive on the same time.

Thanks for any advice.[/QUOTE]Much depends upon the type of nightlife you are after? Do you want regular clubs with a mixture of pro's and regular girls or the P4P clubs? If the latter then stay in North Jakarta, you have Lokasari, Manga Besar and Harmoni as your hunting ground and will have access to a dozen P4P venues. Mercure Kota hotel is within your budget, although I have heard it is a bit run down now it can't be beat for location as you have Lokasari and Hotel travel within walking distance and a number of nice spa's a short ride away (Emporium, classic, Olympic).

My advice would be to base yourself in the North, fill your boots during the day / early evening and then post 10 pm when the traffic is sensible jump in a cab and hot places like X2, Immigrant, Bats, Cj's, Blok M etc.

[QUOTE=HotMale9833;1658507]I use this for the African street hookers when I'm in Europe. I test them: if they test negative, they get my repeated business. I still, of course, use a condom.[/QUOTE]I'd love to see the local establishments use those on the guys as well before they are allowed to shag the chicks.

[QUOTE=Osmotico77;1659127]Hello guys,

Thanks in advance for suggestions. I am new to Jakarta, where I will arrive on 28th, so next week.

I went through the posts, but I was getting confused. Can someone recap some basic info, such as:

- best clubs to go on Sunday-Monday-Tue-Wed-Thu, as unfortunately I won't be in Jakarta in weekend probably. Is X2 currently open?

- any good 4 stars hotel to recommend with the following requirements?

A) close to nightlife (which is the are with good sexy and not-sexy lifestyle? So better to stay close to Hotel Travel? Or close to Hotel Mulia? Or close to Immigrant? Someone recommended me the Mellinnium hotel (4 stars).

B) zero problems to bring girls to room (I will book a double-room).

C) swimming pool is a must.

D) possibly around 50-55 / night double room, not more.

- good restaurants to bring and impress enough Indo girls, but not so expensive on the same time.

Thanks for any advice.[/QUOTE]Your demands are quite high for the price you are prepared to pay. A USD 55 room will not impress Indonesian girls since it wil not be in a 4 star hotel; more likely 2 star.

As for the other questions: the predictable answer. Do some research for yourself by reading the Jakarta forum. You still have a week.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1657514]
Next day, lined up a mid 30's divorced mother from Scout. Met in a cheapie hotel in the city, she had a fantasy to be rapped well I wasn't going to do that, but we agreed to her arriving at hotel door with no panties on under her skirt and I handed a blindfold thru the slightly open door. Then for the next 45 minutes she was extremely submissive, if not a little shy, whilst I had my way with her. She claimed to be 1 yr without sex, and got into the swing of it after a few minutes of me inside, she was really really wet with DATY (plus non of this pussy washing like the pro's do). No condom used at her request, and ended up with very hard and fast thrusting, again at her request (well demands to be honest). No photos, no cost.
[/QUOTE]Sounds like she might be a submissive in the BDSM world. I have been playing with one of those recently. Mine wants to be spanked, tied up, pissed on, and told what a **** she is. Good fun.

I was in town last week and had one of my semi-regulars come over for some afternoon delight. I was tired and after she left I had dinner at the hotel and was going to call it an early night. But no, after several drinks and a nice dinner the little head took over and I found myself texting a few craigslist numbers. Life really is like a box of chocolates and next thing you know this gorgeous half arab, half indonesian single mother was on her knees sucking my knob in my hotel room. Turned out that she was only a few blocks away when I rang. She had a few tats and has clearly been around the block a few times, but I was infatuated with her arab / indonesian mixed looks. BBBJ, various positions, busted out my second load for the afternoon / evening and fell asleep a happy camper. Damage was 1 juta.

I was so infatuated with her looks that I called her back early the next morning as I was flying out in the afternoon. No problem she texts back, however she does not have a baby sitter, can she bring her kid with her? WTF, how are we going to manage this I wonder. Somewhat hungover and with a raging boner I agreed. Assuming she would section off part of the room or something. Sure enough, soon after she turns up with a young baby. In the sober light of day she was not quite as beautiful as I remembered, but still pretty hot and big ol titties that have not made it through child rearing as much as I would have liked. So she feeds the kid a bottle and puts it on the floor and starts giving me a nice BBBJ. One of the stranger situations I have been in, but it is amazing what the mind can overcome when it wants to.

[QUOTE=ThePrince1127;1659257]Much depends upon the type of nightlife you are after? Do you want regular clubs with a mixture of pro's and regular girls or the P4P clubs? If the latter then stay in North Jakarta, you have Lokasari, Manga Besar and Harmoni as your hunting ground and will have access to a dozen P4P venues. Mercure Kota hotel is within your budget, although I have heard it is a bit run down now it can't be beat for location as you have Lokasari and Hotel travel within walking distance and a number of nice spa's a short ride away (Emporium, classic, Olympic).

My advice would be to base yourself in the North, fill your boots during the day / early evening and then post 10 pm when the traffic is sensible jump in a cab and hot places like X2, Immigrant, Bats, Cj's, Blok M etc.[/QUOTE]To The Prince.

I agree I stay there in OCT and I have stay here many time nice large room and a nice roof top pool, there are a few smaller disco club in kota Millie, Golden Crown and the new Colosseum club, they also have a newer hotel near Harmoni more expensive with smaller room.

Fast eddie 48.

Osmotico77 do you write anything back, ever? Or do you only ask Q?

[QUOTE=Kip11;1654813]Tease Club.[/QUOTE]Meaning exactly what?

There is a rumour going around that The Sportsman (or Sporties as it is affectionately known) has closed yet again. I haven't been down the blok in a while, but given the way things are going there, it's unsurprising. The place used to do decent food and was a good option for an early drink before the main attractions, especially if you didn't want to get hassled by the usual remoras that ply their trade by getting in your face and offering massages and whatnot. At any rate, even if Sporties is still open, it didn't, IIRC, open before 12, which would mean you'd miss most of the day's cricket as the Boxing Day test will start at 7 am local time.

[QUOTE=Bartle;1659061]There is a bar in block M called "The Sportsman" or "The Sports bar" or similar which fits the bill. Whether they show the cricket will I guess depend on patrons. They have pretty good western sandwiches, means and friendly staff. I normally drop in there during my visits. I may bump into you this Christmas. I arrive in Jakarta Christmas day.[/QUOTE]

I am in Jakarta for a few days next week, for the first time, and have some afternoons to myself.

I am planning to visit some of the spa: probably*Malioboro,*Kartika*or Berlian. I might try one of Delta spas depending upon location.

Firstly, thanks to all contributors to this forum, a real wealth of good information.

I am very familiar with spa / saunas in Macau, Hong Kong and Singapore. I currently live in Hong Kong.

What I cannot ascertain from this forum is how the spas work; I understand that there are locker rooms and a arm tag / numbering system. *.

However, does one change clothes into towels / gowns, and leave valuables in the locker, or just shoes? *.

In Macau, I typically leave my valuables in the locker, but take iPad or whatever with me if I want to spend a good few hours relaxing.

Any feedback will be most appreciated.

TL.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1660124]Meaning exactly what?[/QUOTE]That's the name of the club inside Emporium. I was answering the last part of the quoted post.

[QUOTE=TravelLucid;1660199]I am in Jakarta for a few days next week, for the first time, and have some afternoons to myself.

I am planning to visit some of the spa: probably*Malioboro,*Kartika*or Berlian. I might try one of Delta spas depending upon location.

Firstly, thanks to all contributors to this forum, a real wealth of good information.

I am very familiar with spa / saunas in Macau, Hong Kong and Singapore. I currently live in Hong Kong.

What I cannot ascertain from this forum is how the spas work; I understand that there are locker rooms and a arm tag / numbering system. *.

However, does one change clothes into towels / gowns, and leave valuables in the locker, or just shoes? *.

In Macau, I typically leave my valuables in the locker, but take iPad or whatever with me if I want to spend a good few hours relaxing.

Any feedback will be most appreciated.

TL.[/QUOTE]Yes, it works like the spas you describe. Hong Kong, Macau, German FKK clubs.

You are given an arm tag with a key. You lock all your valuables inside. You will be given a robe, shorts, and flip-flops. You shower anytime you want, enjoy the spa facilities, workout, or lounge around. If you consume any food or partake any girls, you will be billed to your arm tag. You settle your bill after you get back in your clothes, on your way out.

I haven't been to every single establishment in Jakarta to say for sure. But at least it was the case in Orchardz and other similar spas I've been to.

[QUOTE=TravelLucid;1660199]I am in Jakarta for a few days next week, for the first time, and have some afternoons to myself.

I am planning to visit some of the spa: probably*Malioboro,*Kartika*or Berlian. I might try one of Delta spas depending upon location.

Firstly, thanks to all contributors to this forum, a real wealth of good information.

I am very familiar with spa / saunas in Macau, Hong Kong and Singapore. I currently live in Hong Kong.

What I cannot ascertain from this forum is how the spas work; I understand that there are locker rooms and a arm tag / numbering system. *.

However, does one change clothes into towels / gowns, and leave valuables in the locker, or just shoes? *.

In Macau, I typically leave my valuables in the locker, but take iPad or whatever with me if I want to spend a good few hours relaxing.

Any feedback will be most appreciated.

TL.[/QUOTE]I can give you some information about Malioboro, which I have visited maybe five times. I have walked into Kartika and I believe Berlian (if it is a door or two from Kartika) and they are much smaller and I doubt they have any procedure beyond going to the room with all your things (but I haven't had a session at either). They also are much more downscale than Malioboro.

When you enter Malioboro and after going through their metal detector, you go to the front desk and get a number, which is used to track your purchases. You then have two basic options (although there are some variants). One you can head straight up to the large lounge where you sit at a table, buy drinks, watch what is on stage (girls dancing either with clothes on or perhaps some off), look around at the many girls seated at tables and couches (often segregated more or less by nationality), have lap dances (I don't, but believe they probably cost around IDR 50,000 or a shot), have lineups of girls brought to your table, and so forth. Once you find a girl you like, you can either have some drinks first, or go straight to the room, with all your things with you (although it is possible they won't let you bring a camera past the metal detector; I have but sometimes had to do some fast talking). The mama-san has you sign a sheet of paper indicating the price, which is payable (along with the bar tab and so forth) on your way out, at the front table where you were initially given your number (which is on a wristband). Some tipping of the girl is expected I believe, and IDR 100,000 is probably the minimum. I think you give this to her directly after the session (unlike Alexis Hotel, e.g., where you can sign for the tip). The charge for the girl starts around 850,000 and can go up to maybe 2 million or more depending on nationality and so forth (not unlike Macau, although the girls are not in "national costumes ").

The other option which you can do before or after the above, is to go to the locker room, leave most of your stuff in a safe locker (with attendants), and head to the steam room, sauna, and pool or jacuzzi area. The attendants there give you some sort of gym like thing to wear, and if I recall it is expected that at least the shorts will be worn in the area, including the sauna (not to my liking). Sometimes there are girls dancing along the pool in various stages of undress. After taking a shower, you then can proceed to the lounge area above. I don't think I have seen many, if any, people stay in their gym clothes in the lounge, although frankly I might not notice.

Unless you are rushed, the steam room/sauna area is worth spending some time at, and also can be used as a rebound area.

I believe there is also a place to get non-sexual massages on premises, and I think a small gym room but my memory on this is not clear.

If you are looking for a similar, although more expensive experience, you can also try the Alexis Hotel, which is maybe 15 minutes further north from Malioboro, the caveat being you never know how long a trip is going to take in Jakarta owing to traffic considerations. But I don't really see any big advantage to Alexis over Malioboro, although some of my very well-off friends prefer it.

Hope this helps at least a bit.

Visited the bars in Blok M yesterday lots of girls around (and guys as well) My Bar seems to be getting quite a different crowd than in the past. There were some very nice girls but of them seemed not interested.

Made a big mistake (rookie) last night found a dance partner and she was quite into dancing, but I never got a quote upfront, and that posed issues at the end of the night. She wanted 1 M and there was no discount. Don't know how that slipped me as I always negotiate first before taking the plunge.

Now while I can afford that I just think it's too much, can understand why some ask for M and others 400-500 K is ok for them. I haven't seen her before so maybe she was a CJ's or Bats girl.

But I just don't think 1 M is a fair price.

[QUOTE=ThePrince1127;1659257]Much depends upon the type of nightlife you are after? Do you want regular clubs with a mixture of pro's and regular girls or the P4P clubs? If the latter then stay in North Jakarta, you have Lokasari, Manga Besar and Harmoni as your hunting ground and will have access to a dozen P4P venues. Mercure Kota hotel is within your budget, although I have heard it is a bit run down now it can't be beat for location as you have Lokasari and Hotel travel within walking distance and a number of nice spa's a short ride away (Emporium, classic, Olympic).

My advice would be to base yourself in the North, fill your boots during the day / early evening and then post 10 pm when the traffic is sensible jump in a cab and hot places like X2, Immigrant, Bats, Cj's, Blok M etc.[/QUOTE]Hello Prince and fast Eddie,

Thanks for your inputs, you were very kind.

Unfortunately I read too late your advice and I booked already hotel in Grand Indonesia area, that should be very close to Immigrant and take the benefits of having a nice mall near. On the other side, I will need taxi for all the other places you mentioned in the north.

Yes, I prefer regular or "mixture" clubs (so X2, Bats, Cj's), but occasionally I could go to sauna and explore P4P clubs. Thanks for suggesting Hotel Travel, Emporium, classic, Olympic. Is X2 open currently?

BTW, the budget of 55 for the hotel was in, not $, sorry for being unclear on that.

Feel free to give additional advice, once my situation is now more clear.

[QUOTE=Osmotico77;1660835]BTW, the budget of 55 for the hotel was in, not $, sorry for being unclear on that.[/QUOTE]BTW, the budget of 55 for the hotel was in, not $, sorry for being unclear on that.

[QUOTE=Bkk212;1660761]Now while I can afford that I just think it's too much, can understand why some ask for M and others 400-500 K is ok for them. I haven't seen her before so maybe she was a CJ's or Bats girl.

But I just don't think 1 M is a fair price.[/QUOTE]Only us mongers can take the blame for their greed.

If enough of us just say "I'll pay what everyone pays" or "I'll pay what other girls here always ask" and pay the real rate they wouldn't ask these outrageous prices. The problem is most guys just want to get it over with and pay what is asked and make no real effort to bargain or negotiate.

I've spent a lot of time in the Dee Place VIP room and seen countless times how guys pay 500 and even 800 for blow jobs and then the girls cheer and say how much of a dumb ass in Bahasa. Little do they know the rate is actually 300 and if it's a quiet day you may even be able to get her down to 250 (and yes, this goes for all, not just 1 or 2 girls).

[QUOTE=Bkk212;1660761]Visited the bars in Blok M yesterday lots of girls around (and guys as well) My Bar seems to be getting quite a different crowd than in the past. There were some very nice girls but of them seemed not interested.

Made a big mistake (rookie) last night found a dance partner and she was quite into dancing, but I never got a quote upfront, and that posed issues at the end of the night. She wanted 1 M and there was no discount. Don't know how that slipped me as I always negotiate first before taking the plunge.

Now while I can afford that I just think it's too much, can understand why some ask for M and others 400-500 K is ok for them. I haven't seen her before so maybe she was a CJ's or Bats girl.

But I just don't think 1 M is a fair price.[/QUOTE]That's why you have to take many of these posts on price with a grain of salt. There are girls who will go with you for 400 k. But if you want a true hotty, you are going to need to pay more than that. When people post a report with no photo, you can pretty much disregard it because you have no idea what the girl looked like. Even if the guy says the girl was a 9 or a 10, that means nothing without a photo. I've seen guys rate a girl a 9 who I would rate a 3 or 4. Then again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But the more popular girls are going to cost more than the less popular ones. There is not a set rate. 1 million (or more) is pretty much the standard these days for a stunner.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1642918]Interesting discussion. One thing I have noticed, many of the ways to find fun have moved online. I wonder what impact the internet has on the types of mongering places you describe? On my last trip to Jakarta, I did not go to any of the places that are often written about here (BATS / CJs / Blok M etc) instead I simply used the internet to have girls come and meet me at my hotel. I had more girls wanting to come see me than I could handle, and met a couple of gems that I will keep in touch with. Definitely get some duds too this way, but there are ways to weed out as many of them as possible.[/QUOTE]I've thought of trying to use the Internet, but I worry that a girl I meet will not be as attractive as her picture or may be dull. How would you get rid of her quickly? I'm afraid I would have to spend the rest of the afternoon or evening with her. If you hit several losers in a row, it could use up a lot of your vacation time.

[QUOTE=Canyon;1661042]I've thought of trying to use the Internet, but I worry that a girl I meet will not be as attractive as her picture or may be dull. How would you get rid of her quickly? I'm afraid I would have to spend the rest of the afternoon or evening with her. If you hit several losers in a row, it could use up a lot of your vacation time.[/QUOTE]

I posted more about that either in this forum or the Philippines forum. Basically use a webcam to ensure that the pictures are of her and are recent. Be upfront with them and tell them if they try to scam you (bait and switch photos, or photos from 20 years / kilograms ago) they will quickly be shown the door with no $$ for their efforts.

Can also meet them in the lobby/restaurant of your hotel, if they are not genuine just walk away. Don't tell them your name or room number.

If they get to my room and I have blown my load and don't want to spend another minute with them, an urgent yet confidential business call that I have to make right then and there sees them out the door with the agreed upon bundle of rupiahs in their hand.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1660290]

The other option which you can do before or after the above, is to go to the locker room, leave most of your stuff in a safe locker (with attendants), and head to the steam room, sauna, and pool or jacuzzi area. The attendants there give you some sort of gym like thing to wear, and if I recall it is expected that at least the shorts will be worn in the area, including the sauna (not to my liking). Sometimes there are girls dancing along the pool in various stages of undress. After taking a shower, you then can proceed to the lounge area above. I don't think I have seen many, if any, people stay in their gym clothes in the lounge, although frankly I might not notice.

[/QUOTE]Just a slight correction to what I wrote above about Malioboro. Actually, you get the clothes for the steam room, sauna and pool area in the locker room. But after you have used the pool, steam room, and / or sauna and have taken a shower, there are other gym like clothes available from a booth next to the pool. I'm not sure whether these are for further gym activities, or whether some wear these when they go up to the lounge. As said earlier, I have only been there maybe five times, so my recollection of some of these details is not so good.

[QUOTE=Bkk212;1660761] She wanted 1 M and there was no discount. Don't know how that slipped me as I always negotiate first before taking the plunge.

Now while I can afford that I just think it's too much, can understand why some ask for M and others 400-500 K is ok for them. I haven't seen her before so maybe she was a CJ's or Bats girl.

But I just don't think 1 M is a fair price.[/QUOTE]Your mistake, with the greatest of respect, was even discussing the price.

After you have enjoyed the lady's company, and she's all showered, dressed up and ready for the door, slip her a previously prepared 500,000 (if it was short time, I have no idea of long time prices, others can provide that info but the procedure is the same) into her pocket or purse, give her a peck on the cheek and a pat on her pert ass as you usher her out the door. Once in a while she may check the money as she is leaving (and in fairness there are cheap assholes out there who would lead her to do so) and pout sadly and say "Tambahin dong" ("Give us a bit more, eh? " ) . If she did a great job and her pout melts your heart, with a look of feigned exasperation you can slip her an extra fifty, if she wasn't worth it, a friendly wink and a slightly firmer pat on the backside toward the open door will do the trick.

Rest assured you will have paid a fair wage for a fair job. Honor will be even and no distress will have been caused.

Jakarta short report.

I arrived on Christmas day and headed to Kota, having opted for Sparks hotel. It is a few minutes walk from Hotel Travel (brothel) and Lokasari plaza. The breakfast buffet is great, the rooms are basic but adequate with comfortable beds. It is way cheaper than any of the other acceptable options at $35 inc. Taxes and breakfast. The Delux room is no different from standard (to my eyes) so pick standard with breakfast.

I headed over to Travel after 6 pm and a shower. Pricing is the same as last year; 350 k including the girl, sex, and the room. Beer is Anchor at additional 45000 if you want it. "Mommy" remembered I wanted slim "baby" girls and brought me a girl who was about a 7, meaning pretty, slim and young in my calculations. She was nineteen years old. I let her call her boyfriend in the room while I took pictures, fingered her pussy and groped her boobs. Sex was along the lines of cat bath, no kissing on the mouth, tried to put a condom on me with her mouth but I made her BBBJ. I got an excellent BBBJ and then tried to get her to go bareback. I don't like to interrupt the action for these discussions. She wouldn't BB for less than 500 k, which I thought was crazy. She had been a bit irritating and mercenary, not really a GFE, and I didn't want to risk that much on what might be a crap fuck. I fucked her hard wih a condom for a while. Sometimes I can break these and get BB indirectly. Got bored. I had to pay her another 100 k in advance (hate this, but couldn't argue more and be able to cum), which she put into her purse, to get her to continue with BBBJ. Near the finish she gritted her teeth to stop my intrusion. But I still gave her a white Christmas and she spent a full five minutes in the toilet brushing her teeth and using mouth wash to get rid of the taste.

Yesterday (26th) I went back to travel at 10 pm and picked another slim, pretty, 7/10. She was slimmer having a more "boyish" figure than yesterdays take. She gave a much better GFE, kissing me and showing me a lot of attention. BBBJ but absolute refusal to consider BB. After an excellent BBBJ I had to put on a condom and fucked her for a few minutes. I couldn't feel anything. I decided to stop and save the shot for later. I gave her 50 k tip as she was a nice girl. I don't care what others give.

If you don't mind fucking with a condom Travel is Mecca for you. Some decent girls and very cheap sex.

Both days I walked around Lokasari plaza, and there about, finding restaurants and going for coffee. Universally girls were mid 20's or older and 4-5/10. About midnight on the 26th I was offered a slim 6/10 who looked 20 years old and angry. I declined. "Mummy" started negotiations at 500 k short time no condom. I didn't see how much they would finally go for because I didn't want to negotiate for girls who are an insult to my cock.

I noticed that boys were also offering themselves at the entrance to Lokasari at this time.

I went into D'Cota club which is in a road off Lokasari. There were mainly guys in there. The dancers fell off the ugly tree, hitting every branch on the way down. No decent girls inside at 12:30 am. The patrons were Indos out for a good time. Cold Bintang 65000 Rp.

I have often passed a club on the main road which is nicely lighted, with a classical entrance, but no name board. This time I checked it out. It is called Siera. Entrance is 20 k. The club is long. Near the entrance it is pitch black. I am not exaggerating. I had to use my phone inside to light my wallet. Waiters ran over to me and sold me a beer for 54500 Rp. They never told me it was delivered, instead placing it on a table behind me. When I picked it up I understood why. It was room temperature with a glass of ice. They could have collected flat beer from tables and poured it back into the bottle. So I took enough into the glass to give me the excuse of having a drink and then poured the rest onto the floor in a corner. Let the bastards work for the money they cheated me out of! I was never going to drink any of this because of the risk it had been tampered with or dirty. Further into the club there is a bar. Buy any drinks you want direct. But you don't need to. Suggest you forgot an over priced tipple and just walk around.

Immediately I got to a table a girl of perhaps 20 yo started looking back at me and smiling (judging by the light coming past her face in the pitch black). She came up to me after a while and let me put my arms around her. She started jabbering in Indo as I discretely fondled her midriff and ass. She cleared out after a while. This happened a couple of times with other girls. From the forum I understood the girls wanted me to buy them Extasy at 350 k. The waiters had offered me Extasy when I ordered a drink. One slim, hit bodied, young, monkey faced girl asked me in English for E and then cutely showed me a sad face and traced a tear track with her finger when I turned her down for a pill. Plain clothes police wait for the opportunity to bust foreigners holding or paying for drugs. Fuck that.

I noticed that middle aged Indo guys were with some of the 20's girls chatting, smiling, and fondling. If you speak the lingo this may be attractive to you. But my calculus goes this way. You buy the girl a pill for the cost of full sex in Travel Hotel. What does she need you for at this point? It will take her 30 minutes to "come up" at which point she is going to want to dance. Are you going to hang around for hours? She can hang out with her friends after that. Why is she going to go back to your hotel? If you speak the lingo better to find one who is already "pilled up" and persuade her to go to your hotel. In western countries this is considered are-ape. No problem in Indo where this is called "surprise sex".

If you want to try the pill route buy a packet of paracetamol. Back at your hotel take a pill or two and grind them rougher on all sided to make them seem more like illegal pills. Hand the girl one of these discretely out of your pocket so that any watching cops are not on your ass. She won't be sure the pill is a dud for an hour. You will get to see what you get for the money with little risk of jail time. I'd recommend keeping the packet of paracetamol in your pocket. You can say you have a bit of a cold and a pill or two came loose in your pocket. You don't speak Indo and thought the girl had a headache / cold and gave her a paracetamol for that. You could still get fucked. But at least you have a story.

Perhaps you can even get the girl to come back to the hotel and fuck thinking she will come up on E. Anyway, it is better than blowing 350 k on a poor chance of sex. This is such a cool idea I will try it tonight.

At the entrance to the club two guys pat you down. So you need some way of concealing your paracetamol. No big deal if they find it at this stage.

Leaving Siera I bumped into an old Indo guy on a moped. Earlier, on foot, he had tried to get me to give him cash to deliver a girl to my hotel. "Sure, pal, here is a wedge of cash. I will go back to my hotel and wait. " This time he wanted me to get onto his bike for "small girl, small, small" he indicating the average height of Indo women with the palm of his hand like playing invisible bongos. Translation "get on the bike and let me take you where my friends are waiting to kick your ass and take your money. "

I have been using WeChat and Skout. In WeChat two men have contacted me. No thanks! I haven't gotten around hunting girls on WeChat. I have used Skout. I had mid 30's not very pretty women contact me. They are an insult to my cock. I contacted 20's girls who have been friendly but not crazy to get my big foreign equipment into their tiny Indo sockets.

I guess that for bareback Block M might be worth another look. I gave up last year because I found the girls too old / ugly.

I can't be bothered with CJs or BATS because you pay x4 the money for an older 7/10 and perhaps you even have to use a condom with them. Plus there is travel there and back to the hotel, hanging around, having to pretend to chat up a working girl, and the uncertainty.

I hope I kept this report to the point. I have wordy reports from guys who want to produce a travel brochure. I can go to trip adviror for that.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1661394]Your mistake, with the greatest of respect, was even discussing the price.

After you have enjoyed the lady's company, and she's all showered, dressed up and ready for the door, slip her a previously prepared 500,000 (if it was short time, I have no idea of long time prices, others can provide that info but the procedure is the same) into her pocket or purse, give her a peck on the cheek and a pat on her pert ass as you usher her out the door. Once in a while she may check the money as she is leaving (and in fairness there are cheap assholes out there who would lead her to do so) and pout sadly and say "Tambahin dong" ("Give us a bit more, eh? " ). If she did a great job and her pout melts your heart, with a look of feigned exasperation you can slip her an extra fifty, if she wasn't worth it, a friendly wink and a slightly firmer pat on the backside toward the open door will do the trick.

Rest assured you will have paid a fair wage for a fair job. Honor will be even and no distress will have been caused.[/QUOTE]Fucking nice.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1660904]That's why you have to take many of these posts on price with a grain of salt. There are girls who will go with you for 400 k. But if you want a true hotty, you are going to need to pay more than that. When people post a report with no photo, you can pretty much disregard it because you have no idea what the girl looked like. Even if the guy says the girl was a 9 or a 10, that means nothing without a photo. I've seen guys rate a girl a 9 who I would rate a 3 or 4. Then again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But the more popular girls are going to cost more than the less popular ones. There is not a set rate. 1 million (or more) is pretty much the standard these days for a stunner.[/QUOTE]On this note, some of the Blok M bar waitresses are of course up for it, most of them are not that hot, as previously discussed, but they seem to feel it is their right to charge 1 juta or more because they are a waitress, not a worker.

Yeah right. Not that I go with these girls but hang around enough in Blok M to here them talking amongst themselves about this topic, with the usual added exaggerations.

So if you bump into any of these girls, stick to your guns on the rates.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1661051]I posted more about that either in this forum or the Philippines forum. Basically use a webcam to ensure that the pictures are of her and are recent. Be upfront with them and tell them if they try to scam you (bait and switch photos, or photos from 20 years / kilograms ago) they will quickly be shown the door with no $$ for their efforts.

Can also meet them in the lobby/restaurant of your hotel, if they are not genuine just walk away. Don't tell them your name or room number.

If they get to my room and I have blown my load and don't want to spend another minute with them, an urgent yet confidential business call that I have to make right then and there sees them out the door with the agreed upon bundle of rupiahs in their hand.[/QUOTE]My way of dealing with this kind of situation is as follows. Get her mobile number and then arrange a meeting in a public place. Ask her what she will wear to make it easy for you to find her. Be on the location 10 minutes before the meeting is scheduled. Watch the entrance and if a woman / girl enters and wears the kind / color of clothing your date told you, make a call to make sure she's the one you were to meet. If that person answers and you like her, proceed. Don't you like her, cancel the meeting!

My wing man and I are going to Jakarta for the first time. We are also taking separate flights that are supposed to land around 11 pm.

Seeing as how we have never been to this airport before & our phones won't work we are trying to think of a good place to rendezvous in the airport.

The best we have come up with is the check in departure desk at one of our airlines.

Any of you Jakarta vets know a better place / landmark inside this airport that neither of us can miss?

[QUOTE=WorldJockey;1661618]My wing man and I are going to Jakarta for the first time. We are also taking separate flights that are supposed to land around 11 pm.

Seeing as how we have never been to this airport before & our phones won't work we are trying to think of a good place to rendezvous in the airport.

The best we have come up with is the check in departure desk at one of our airlines.

Any of you Jakarta vets know a better place / landmark inside this airport that neither of us can miss?[/QUOTE]The airport is not a good one generally. Not like Bangkok's or Singapore's, for example.

To access the checkin desk area you are supposed to show your outgoing airplane ticket with a flight out that day. So that is not going to work unless someone can suggest a reliable work around, which I doubt would be 100 percent.

Although not ideal, I would suggest meeting outside at the Silver Bird taxi sign next to the curb. You will have to look for it but it won't be so hard to find once you leave customs and immigration and go out the door to the outside. Hopefully, you will arrive close in time as you would basically need to stand up where the sign is, and tell the Silver Bird attendant you are just waiting for a friend. Note though there will likely be a number of hawkers trying to get you to their taxis when you leave the airport building. Some may say they are with Silver Bird, but are not as Silver Bird doesn't solicit this way. If you ask someone where the Silver Birds are and they start walking with you somewhere, they almost certainly will not be taking you to the Silver Bird stand.

One other thing is immediately after going out the first door from customs, there will be an indoor Silver Bird counter, where they you can purchase a Silver Bird ticket; this is unnecessary as the Silver Bird drivers take both cash and credit cards. I am not suggesting that you wait by this counter as it is possible there is more than one of these (at each of the two (exits), but rather pass by it and go outside to the Silver Bird sign next to the curb where the Silver Bird taxis depart from.

Of course, you could agree to meet at a different taxi stand, but the Silver Bird would likely be a less congested location, and should not be too difficult to find. I am assuming you are both arriving internationally; if one of you is arriving on a domestic flight, things would get more complicated.

One of the Jakarta hands on the board could probably confirm there is only one Silver Bird departure stand at the international arrival building. I am pretty sure this is the case, but wouldn't want to mislead you. Also, someone else may have a better suggestion as to where to meet, but at least my suggestion would work if there is not a better suggestion.

[QUOTE=WorldJockey;1661618]My wing man and I are going to Jakarta for the first time. We are also taking separate flights that are supposed to land around 11 pm. *snip*
Any of you Jakarta vets know a better place / landmark inside this airport that neither of us can miss?[/QUOTE]I am guessing that neither of you have an Indonesian visa; if so, you will have to buy one before going to the immigration lines. That would be the place to meet. You may have as many as a couple hundred people queued up at the (multiple) windows, but it is the one place where neither of you will be going anywhere until completion.

The other option would be at baggage claim. If you know each other's flight numbers, arrange to meet at one of the luggage claim carousels, whether or not you checked baggage.

I would not recommend leaving the immigration / baggage areas until you hook up. The chances for a miscue outside are way, way too high. There are two exits from the international arrival, which complicates everything. Hope this helps! TTG.

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1661746]I am guessing that neither of you have an Indonesian visa; if so, you will have to buy one before going to the immigration lines. That would be the place to meet. You may have as many as a couple hundred people queued up at the (multiple) windows, but it is the one place where neither of you will be going anywhere until completion.

The other option would be at baggage claim. If you know each other's flight numbers, arrange to meet at one of the luggage claim carousels, whether or not you checked baggage.

I would not recommend leaving the immigration / baggage areas until you hook up. The chances for a miscue outside are way, way too high. There are two exits from the international arrival, which complicates everything. Hope this helps! TTG.[/QUOTE]The visa on arrival area would work, but note they may have visa on arrival windows on both the left and right sides of the hall as seen from when you are approaching the area. I say "may have" because over the last few years it seems they change their configuration every now and then and it is possible the visa on arrival counters on the left side aren't used as such these days, or aren't always used as such.

Also, FWIW if you are getting a visa on arrival, having $25 US in exact change may make things easier although I have seen a bit more flexibility in this regard lately.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1661719]The airport is not a good one generally. Not like Bangkok's or Singapore's, for example.

To access the checkin desk area you are supposed to show your outgoing airplane ticket with a flight out that day. So that is not going to work unless someone can suggest a reliable work around, which I doubt would be 100 percent.

Although not ideal, I would suggest meeting outside at the Silver Bird taxi sign next to the curb. You will have to look for it but it won't be so hard to find once you leave customs and immigration and go out the door to the outside. Hopefully, you will arrive close in time as you would basically need to stand up where the sign is, and tell the Silver Bird attendant you are just waiting for a friend. Note though there will likely be a number of hawkers trying to get you to their taxis when you leave the airport building. Some may say they are with Silver Bird, but are not as Silver Bird doesn't solicit this way. If you ask someone where the Silver Birds are and they start walking with you somewhere, they almost certainly will not be taking you to the Silver Bird stand.

One other thing is immediately after going out the first door from customs, there will be an indoor Silver Bird counter, where they you can purchase a Silver Bird ticket; this is unnecessary as the Silver Bird drivers take both cash and credit cards. I am not suggesting that you wait by this counter as it is possible there is more than one of these (at each of the two (exits), but rather pass by it and go outside to the Silver Bird sign next to the curb where the Silver Bird taxis depart from..[/QUOTE]Thanks for exposing the fatal flaw in our departure desk plan! That possibility didn't occur to us at all; as in the states one has access up until the security check. Thanks for the taxi info as well. We are both arriving internationally. After RTFF is appears Silver bird is the gold standard of Jakarta taxis.

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1661746]I am guessing that neither of you have an Indonesian visa; if so, you will have to buy one before going to the immigration lines. That would be the place to meet. You may have as many as a couple hundred people queued up at the (multiple) windows, but it is the one place where neither of you will be going anywhere until completion.

The other option would be at baggage claim. If you know each other's flight numbers, arrange to meet at one of the luggage claim carousels, whether or not you checked baggage.

I would not recommend leaving the immigration / baggage areas until you hook up. The chances for a miscue outside are way, way too high. There are two exits from the international arrival, which complicates everything. Hope this helps! TTG.[/QUOTE]Yep you would be correct; neither of us have a visa. I'm guessing the setup is visa immigration baggage claim ground transportation? Considering our flights are about a half hour apart and we would want to secure our luggage before it grows legs; it seems like baggage claim is probably most well rounded option. Thanks for the double exit tip too! That probably would have thrown us for a loop.

I'll be sure to let you all know how I made out with the logistics in my Jakarta newbie report.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1661782]Also, FWIW if you are getting a visa on arrival, having $25 US in exact change may make things easier although I have seen a bit more flexibility in this regard lately.[/QUOTE]The Visa on arrival is $35 now. You get the same $25 paper but there is a hand stamped note saying the price is now $35 according to such and such a law. I gave the woman in the booth $40, expecting $5 to be returned, and instead she gave me 50,000. When I looked surprised she shooed me away in the direction of immigration. Not a big problem. The extra money is interesting for them. Plus these places are used by people who want USD to take black money out of the country.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1661782]

Also, FWIW if you are getting a visa on arrival, having $25 US in exact change may make things easier although I have seen a bit more flexibility in this regard lately.[/QUOTE]It's $35 US nowdays.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1661898]It's $35 US nowdays.[/QUOTE]Thanks for correcting me on the cost of a visa on arrival. I was last there in June when it still was $25. I now see it went up to $35 in July.

I do have a question related to this. In looking at the Washington DC Indonesian Embassy website, it states you can extend the visa for another 30 days for an additional $35. It also states you have to state how long you are going to be in Indonesia when you arrive. [URL]http://www.embassyofindonesia.org/wordpress/?page_id=188.[/URL] Does this mean it is possible to get both the 30-day visa on arrival as well as a 30-day extension at the time of arrival? Or do you instead have to renew the visa at some office around the time the first 30-day visa expires (as I previously thought was the case)? It would make things a lot easier if you can get both on arrival, although it would seem they could then simply offer a 60-day visa on arrival for $70 for those who wanted to stay more than 30 days.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1661782]Also, FWIW if you are getting a visa on arrival, having $25 US in exact change may make things easier although I have seen a bit more flexibility in this regard lately.[/QUOTE]US 35 Dollars now the VOA.

[QUOTE=Bartle;1661887]The Visa on arrival is $35 now. You get the same $25 paper but there is a hand stamped note saying the price is now $35 according to such and such a law. I gave the woman in the booth $40, expecting $5 to be returned, and instead she gave me 50,000. When I looked surprised she shooed me away in the direction of immigration. Not a big problem. The extra money is interesting for them. Plus these places are used by people who want USD to take black money out of the country.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that cost update. Yeah you got to have exact change with them. When getting a VOA in Cambodia; my buddy asked the attendant for change. The look he received in return was like he asked him what color his boxers were.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1661906]Thanks for correcting me on the cost of a visa on arrival. I was last there in June when it still was $25. I now see it went up to $35 in July.

I do have a question related to this. In looking at the Washington DC Indonesian Embassy website, it states you can extend the visa for another 30 days for an additional $35. It also states you have to state how long you are going to be in Indonesia when you arrive. [URL]http://www.embassyofindonesia.org/wordpress/?page_id=188.[/URL] Does this mean it is possible to get both the 30-day visa on arrival as well as a 30-day extension at the time of arrival? Or do you instead have to renew the visa at some office around the time the first 30-day visa expires (as I previously thought was the case)? It would make things a lot easier if you can get both on arrival, although it would seem they could then simply offer a 60-day visa on arrival for $70 for those who wanted to stay more than 30 days.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry to confirm that you will get a VOA for 30 days only. You can get an extension, but depending on where your location is, you have to take care of that at one of the immigration offices. Usually in the vicinity of those offices are persons who can take care of that for you. But, why not apply for a 60 days tourist visa in your home country when you know beforehand that you are going to stay that long in Indonesia? Besides, there are people in, o. A. Places, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur that can take care of the latter in one day.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1662171]I'm sorry to confirm that you will get a VOA for 30 days only. You can get an extension, but depending on where your location is, you have to take care of that at one of the immigration offices. Usually in the vicinity of those offices are persons who can take care of that for you. But, why not apply for a 60 days tourist visa in your home country when you know beforehand that you are going to stay that long in Indonesia? Besides, there are people in, o. A. Places, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur that can take care of the latter in one day.[/QUOTE]That is what I thought unless something recently changed (for example, at the time of the cost increase), which it apparently hasn't. Since I go on business often, a tourist visa is not an option (a VOA works for business) and in any case I don't live in a city that has an Indonesian consulate, meaning having to deal with a visa service in another city, which can be a hassle in itself. So VOA it is, and on those rare occasions when I have meetings scheduled over more than 30 days, I'll just use a few free days for a side trip and then come back for a second VOA.

Thanks for the clarification.

[QUOTE=HaggisMan;1661910]US 35 Dollars now the VOA.[/QUOTE]That is for 30 days. In Batam there is the option to choose also the VOA for 7 days which costs only 15 $.

Only in Batam? I think in all ports of entries where VOAs are issues.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1662291]That is for 30 days. In Batam there is the option to choose also the VOA for 7 days which costs only 15 $.

Only in Batam? I think in all ports of entries where VOAs are issues.[/QUOTE]The seven day VOA is only available at certain ports of entry according to Indonesia's Washington DC embassy website. A few years ago, they were available everywhere.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1662291]That is for 30 days. In Batam there is the option to choose also the VOA for 7 days which costs only 15 $.

Only in Batam? I think in all ports of entries where VOAs are issues.[/QUOTE]To Black page.

Do you know for Singapore passport do they still need paid for a visa to visit Batam only, I never entry to batam both time I arrive from Jakrata for US passport is now 35 usd there.

Fast eddie 48.

Can anyone recommend a place where I will likely be able to watch the NCAA college (American) football championship game? Looks like its going to be about 9 am on Tuesday Jan 13. If my best bet is to stay cooped up in the Mercure Harmoni then so be it, but a little morning eye candy to go with my entertainment would be my preference.

[QUOTE=BoneRoller;1663268]Can anyone recommend a place where I will likely be able to watch the NCAA college (American) football championship game? Looks like its going to be about 9 am on Tuesday Jan 13. If my best bet is to stay cooped up in the Mercure Harmoni then so be it, but a little morning eye candy to go with my entertainment would be my preference.[/QUOTE]Watching that live at 9 am won't be easy. You could check with Aphrodite in Kuningan near Taman Rasuna at Elite Club. However, the places that normally show sporting events (like Aphrodite) don't open until 11 am and will not likely open special for American Sports events. American sports are not popular in Jakarta. If it were rugby, cricket, soccer, or Aussie Rules football, it would be a big event. But not American football. The only place I can think of that will probably show that game live starting at 9 am is the American Club, but that would be a dull place to watch it. Unless you bring a girl to your own room, you will not find a place at 9 am that has any eye candy. To see it live, you're most likely going to need to watch that game in your room. If not on TV, then on your computer. You could go to Aphrodite at 11 am and watch the last hour of the game, but you may be the only one in there watching it.

I don't know where you get your information from, but Aphrodite opens way earlier than that. I have been there for a 6. 30 am start for cricket test matches from Australia. There is a small, hardcore group of American Football fans who gather there, but mostly do so for the NFL. I know a few of them, so will ask and get back ASAP.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1663498]Watching that live at 9 am won't be easy. You could check with Aphrodite in Kuningan near Taman Rasuna at Elite Club. However, the places that normally show sporting events (like Aphrodite) don't open until 11 am and will not likely open special for American Sports events. American sports are not popular in Jakarta. If it were rugby, cricket, soccer, or Aussie Rules football, it would be a big event. But not American football. The only place I can think of that will probably show that game live starting at 9 am is the American Club, but that would be a dull place to watch it. Unless you bring a girl to your own room, you will not find a place at 9 am that has any eye candy. To see it live, you're most likely going to need to watch that game in your room. If not on TV, then on your computer. You could go to Aphrodite at 11 am and watch the last hour of the game, but you may be the only one in there watching it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;1663659]I don't know where you get your information from, but Aphrodite opens way earlier than that. I have been there for a 6. 30 am start for cricket test matches from Australia. There is a small, hardcore group of American Football fans who gather there, but mostly do so for the NFL. I know a few of them, so will ask and get back ASAP.[/QUOTE]Good to know, P.S., thanks. I will be there next fall. Is this place near Blok M or close to any place where I can get laid by some busty beauty?

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;1663659]I don't know where you get your information from, but Aphrodite opens way earlier than that. I have been there for a 6. 30 am start for cricket test matches from Australia. There is a small, hardcore group of American Football fans who gather there, but mostly do so for the NFL. I know a few of them, so will ask and get back ASAP.[/QUOTE]I get my information from being a member of Elite Club Rasuna for over 10 years and going there almost daily. Aphrodite opens at 11 am unless there is a special event. You say you went for an early morning cricket match. I think the guy who runs Aphrodite is Indian, so he would have a vested interest in cricket. As I mentioned in my last post, if it were rugby, cricket, soccer, or Aussie Rules, I have no doubt the place would be open and showing it. However, US College football will not be a special event unless a bunch of guys convince Frederick to open special for that..

Sorry, but that is just plain wrong. The place is open from around 6 am pretty much every day. Anyhow, no point in getting into an argument over something so petty, but please, take it from me it is open well before 11 am. I spoke to management last night and the game will be on ASN, which they have, so anyone wanting to watch it can just go in before the 8. 30 am kickoff time and ask the staff to put it on.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1663931]I get my information from being a member of Elite Club Rasuna for over 10 years and going there almost daily. Aphrodite opens at 11 am unless there is a special event. You say you went for an early morning cricket match. I think the guy who runs Aphrodite is Indian, so he would have a vested interest in cricket. As I mentioned in my last post, if it were rugby, cricket, soccer, or Aussie Rules, I have no doubt the place would be open and showing it. However, US College football will not be a special event unless a bunch of guys convince Frederick to open special for that..[/QUOTE]

Its a good 15-30 minute taxi ride from the Blok, depending on traffic, longer sometimes if you are going during the day or evening at peak hour. There are ladies nights on Thursday and Saturday, but these events are not as popular as they used to be. You may be surprised on a good night, but I would not go there with only picking up in mind, if I were you.

[QUOTE=DCups;1663861]Good to know, P.S., thanks. I will be there next fall. Is this place near Blok M or close to any place where I can get laid by some busty beauty?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;1664086]Sorry, but that is just plain wrong. The place is open from around 6 am pretty much every day. Anyhow, no point in getting into an argument over something so petty, but please, take it from me it is open well before 11 am. I spoke to management last night and the game will be on ASN, which they have, so anyone wanting to watch it can just go in before the 8. 30 am kickoff time and ask the staff to put it on.[/QUOTE]From years of experience, I can tell you that the gym opens at 6 am, Aphrodite normally opens at 11 am. My standard routine is to hit that gym in the morning, then have either the lunch special or chicken ceasar salad for lunch after working out. None of their restaurant employees show up until 11am. Yes, the game is on ASN (all American football is on ASN), and most places in Jakarta have ASN. But I would be very surprised if they are open at 8:30 am. I personally think you are leading the guy wrong. I suggest to anyone interested to go check in person one day prior to the event if they are thinking about showing up there at 8:30 am on a Tuesday - unless you just want to use the gym facilities. And do not speak with the Indonesian employees, speak with Frederick. Indos have a habit of telling you whatever they think you might want to hear. I wouldn't want to watch it there anyway because there wouldn't be more than 5 people in there watching even if they did open that early. But I should be in the gym that morning so I will swing by and say hello if they are indeed open.

It doesn't hurt to check though. It wasn't until just recently that they started showing the Super Bowl. There are now some Americans living at Taman Rasuna, whereas in the past there was almost none.

Good luck!

So you are saying that every time I am in there after the gym at 8 or 9 am, earlier some days, I am imagining it? Makes me wonder who it is serving me coffee or breakfast then. I've watched pretty much all of the cricket there this year, with the tests from Adelaide, Brisbane and Melbourne getting under way at 6. 30 to 8. 30 am. There are also the group of Indonesian guys who are the entourage of a prominent politician who plays tennis at the club pretty much every day and they are always in there for coffee or a bite to eat early in the day. The guys who work the morning shift are all competent and will not just tell you what you want to hear. Anyhow, I had a drink with Fred last night and he confirmed it would be open for that game. Call him yourself if you like.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1664172]From years of experience, I can tell you that the gym opens at 6 am, Aphrodite normally opens at 11 am. My standard routine is to hit that gym in the morning, then have either the lunch special or chicken ceasar salad for lunch after working out. None of their restaurant employees show up until 11am. Yes, the game is on ASN (all American football is on ASN), and most places in Jakarta have ASN. But I would be very surprised if they are open at 8:30 am. I personally think you are leading the guy wrong. I suggest to anyone interested to go check in person one day prior to the event if they are thinking about showing up there at 8:30 am on a Tuesday - unless you just want to use the gym facilities. And do not speak with the Indonesian employees, speak with Frederick. Indos have a habit of telling you whatever they think you might want to hear. I wouldn't want to watch it there anyway because there wouldn't be more than 5 people in there watching even if they did open that early. But I should be in the gym that morning so I will swing by and say hello if they are indeed open.

It doesn't hurt to check though. It wasn't until just recently that they started showing the Super Bowl. There are now some Americans living at Taman Rasuna, whereas in the past there was almost none.

Good luck![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;1664088]Its a good 15-30 minute taxi ride from the Blok, depending on traffic, longer sometimes if you are going during the day or evening at peak hour. There are ladies nights on Thursday and Saturday, but these events are not as popular as they used to be. You may be surprised on a good night, but I would not go there with only picking up in mind, if I were you.[/QUOTE]Thanks, P.S.

Funny! Apparently the two of you frequent Aphrodite's early in the morning, but you haven't met each other! Maybe it's about time!

Jakarta newbie, but veteran of many spots around the world seeks advance. I will be in Jakrata for five nights in the not too distant future, and then off to some work in Bandung. Will have free time after a week of work and then will probably come back to Jakarta for five or six days.

After reading the forum a good deal, I am thinking of spending three nights in North Jakarta / Kota (this includes the first night when I get in very late) at the Mecure Jakrata Kota, and then moving down for my last couple of nights to Central Jakarta or father south to Blok M. I understand that the traffic is just hell, which would explain why I am thinking of the two areas as distinct sections of the trip. Does this seem sound? I assume I can get back and forth to BATS from either area, as long as it is after 10 pm, correct? I think I have read under half an hour IF it is after 10 pm, yes? Will Bats freelancers be "cool" with coming up to Cota.

About my preferences- I far prefer long time / all nighters to hour spa visits (although, will pertake). I eat "local" everywhere I travel to (most countries in Latin America, PI, LOS, Cambodia, Maylasia, ect ect) - I love markets, night markets, street food, and day time wanderings through "funky" areas. I am very self contained and don't need a lot of day time activities- I will spend a couple of hours a day reading and working out. I love megalopolisis- yes, that even includes enjoying walking around various "cities" in metro Manila (during the day).

Other questions. I am not clear about the best places / strategies for freelancers in North Jakarta / Kota? Some info about some of the discos, but there is a great deal of trepidation about addicted woman. Any thoughts?

Also, midpriced hotels (40-70 dollar range) suggestions for the second leg of the trip? I am open to anywhere interesting with good walking around, and not too far from freelancers at night. Hotel should have a gym.

About me. Pushing fifty look thirties, into extreme fitness (HIIT mostly), love to dance have have no problem blending in in places where late 20's to early 30's reveleres are welcome. Obliviously, any younger and "normal" places are foolish. Actually like hitting "normal" dance clubs at times to try my luck with non P4 P and "the grey area", but rely on P4 P. My favorite places are dance clubs where freelancers and "normals" mix, or where there are regular girls who are more than thrilled to look. I also love freelancer discos (which means, BATS is a must, right).

I know, a ton of questions, and hopefully they do reflect the fact that I have done a ton of RTFF.

Sorry for the rambling post.

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;1664186]So you are saying that every time I am in there after the gym at 8 or 9 am, earlier some days, I am imagining it? Makes me wonder who it is serving me coffee or breakfast then. I've watched pretty much all of the cricket there this year, with the tests from Adelaide, Brisbane and Melbourne getting under way at 6. 30 to 8. 30 am. There are also the group of Indonesian guys who are the entourage of a prominent politician who plays tennis at the club pretty much every day and they are always in there for coffee or a bite to eat early in the day. The guys who work the morning shift are all competent and will not just tell you what you want to hear. Anyhow, I had a drink with Fred last night and he confirmed it would be open for that game. Call him yourself if you like.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys, despite the difference of opinion here, this is all useful information.

OK, well I will swing by there a day early and make sure someone will be there, serving something and will have a screen at which I can scream once in a while. For anyone who is in the neighborhood and cares about the game, I'll be wearing my bright yellow shirt. If you holler a go ducks at me, the first round is on me. Buckeye fans welcomed too, but you still have to holler. I apologize in advance if I have the previous night's troll sitting bewildered at my table as well.

Bone Roller

No worries, I hope you enjoy the game. I have little interest in American Football, but may be there depending on my schedule, as I usually go in early for a coffee and to check emails. I want to say also that I didn't mean to give the impression I was picking a fight with Smoothie, he's a wealth of information and someone who has given a lot more to this board than I have over the years. We've probably bumped into each other dozens of times, but are unaware of each others' real-world identity. Smoothie, if you do introduce yourself to me, I'll gladly buy you a beer. I think maybe the fact that he goes in later has lead him to believe the bar does not open as early as it does, but I am there regularly between 7 and 8 am and can testify that there are staff there at that time. If the main door through the lobby is not open, you can enter through the side, BTW.

[QUOTE=BoneRoller;1664520]Thanks guys, despite the difference of opinion here, this is all useful information.

OK, well I will swing by there a day early and make sure someone will be there, serving something and will have a screen at which I can scream once in a while. For anyone who is in the neighborhood and cares about the game, I'll be wearing my bright yellow shirt. If you holler a go ducks at me, the first round is on me. Buckeye fans welcomed too, but you still have to holler. I apologize in advance if I have the previous night's troll sitting bewildered at my table as well.

Bone Roller[/QUOTE]

So I hear the city is pretty much fucked due to heavy flooding.

Have any of you mongers been seriously affected by this?

[QUOTE=WorldJockey;1665003]So I hear the city is pretty much fucked due to heavy flooding.

Have any of you mongers been seriously affected by this?[/QUOTE]Not sure where, but south and central are free from water today.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1665011]Not sure where, but south and central are free from water today.[/QUOTE]The old town was trouble-free over the weekend. Today only slight rain in the morning, now sunny.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1665082]The old town was trouble-free over the weekend. Today only slight rain in the morning, now sunny.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HardHatMate;1665011]Not sure where, but south and central are free from water today.[/QUOTE]Cheers and thanks I guess I don't have to pack that blow up raft after all.

Some of you may remember Novi Tinggi from Maribaya. Some two years ago she quit working there to become aerobics and yoga teacher. A few weeks ago she contacted me via Facebook and we agreed to meet when I was in Jakarta again. She said she had had no sex since she left Maribaya and you could tell. All that aerobics had made her very tight indeed and it took some oil to enter her. She still does an amazing blowjob and when she is really into it she also starts rimming like in the old days :-) .

Pictures in the photo thread.

Regards,

Ko.

Yesterday I was at D's Place (now under new ownership, mr. John, according to the girls) and I re-established contact with Ayu, already dancing there for some time. She is the one wearing the shortest dress with a string underneath. I took her to the VIP-room together with her colleague Cha Cha and got one of the best BJ's I had there for quite some time. Back in the bar we talked for a while and I invited her to my room with her colleague Mila (already early 30's but new at D's).

Of course they were one hour late due to macet, but we spent an enjoyable couple of hour together. 700 k + taxi for each.

Both are not exactly large breasted and visibly had kids, but are still tight and are eager to please.

Pictures in the photo thread.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=WorldJockey;1665003]So I hear the city is pretty much fucked due to heavy flooding.

Have any of you mongers been seriously affected by this?[/QUOTE]Maybe you got this idea from the increasing amount of reports about Jakarta sinking below sea level. That is a major problem and has been discussed briefly in this thread some time ago. The government and the city have started investing billions of dollars to prevent flooding, so it should turn out all right. The rainy season is expected to start late January.

Regards,

Ko.

I agree that the notion that Jakarta is always flooded in the rainy season is ill-put. There might always be an area somewhere in Jakarta that is flooded, but most of the time the areas that are often mentioned in this forum is not affected. So for travelers, flooding is not of an big issue to worry about. By the way Ko, the rainy season have definitely started in Jakarta and the rest of Java, it did so roughly one month ago. You might have confused it with the fact that it was mentioned in the papers today that the peak of the rainy season is expected in the end of January.

Wamena

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1665999]Maybe you got this idea from the increasing amount of reports about Jakarta sinking below sea level. That is a major problem and has been discussed briefly in this thread some time ago. The government and the city have started investing billions of dollars to prevent flooding, so it should turn out all right. The rainy season is expected to start late January.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1665999]The government and the city have started investing billions of dollars to prevent flooding, so it should turn out all right. [/QUOTE]I am sure the billions invested will be well spent and will flow down to the projects.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1666270]I am sure the billions invested will be well spent and will flow down to the projects.[/QUOTE]Project execution has actually started and Jokowi is not keen on corruption so things should be better than under all previous presidents.

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1661746]I am guessing that neither of you have an Indonesian visa; if so, you will have to buy one before going to the immigration lines. That would be the place to meet. You may have as many as a couple hundred people queued up at the (multiple) windows, but it is the one place where neither of you will be going anywhere until completion.

<SNIP> [/QUOTE]Bit late, but the situation has become more efficient for foreigners. After you have bought your VOA ther is no more queueing; you can walk straight through to the baggage claim. Indonesian citizens have to queue for immigration. Makes a nice change.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1666302]Bit late, but the situation has become more efficient for foreigners. After you have bought your VOA ther is no more queueing; you can walk straight through to the baggage claim. Indonesian citizens have to queue for immigration. Makes a nice change.[/QUOTE]Are you sure about this? It doesn't seem right because one would have to have an immigration officer stamp one's passport, no? As late as last June, after buying the VOA (and occasionally the line for the VOA could reach a hundred or so), you had to then proceed to a line just after the VOA windows where there were immigration officers who were there to process foreigners. Sometimes one could get right through; other times it took fifteen minutes or more. Indonesians and I suppose foreigners who were Indonesian residents had to walk past this area to the normal immigration lines (The one exception was on certain Garuda flights immigration was done on board (and VOAs could be paid for at the foreign airport, such as Narita)).

Has the procedure changed since last June?

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1666307]Are you sure about this? It doesn't seem right because one would have to have an immigration officer stamp one's passport, no? As late as last June, after buying the VOA (and occasionally the line for the VOA could reach a hundred or so), you had to then proceed to a line just after the VOA windows where there were immigration officers who were there to process foreigners. Sometimes one could get right through; other times it took fifteen minutes or more. Indonesians and I suppose foreigners who were Indonesian residents had to walk past this area to the normal immigration lines (The one exception was on certain Garuda flights immigration was done on board (and VOAs could be paid for at the foreign airport, such as Narita)).

Has the procedure changed since last June?[/QUOTE]In June it was like this already. You bought your VoA (I always arrive by KLM, by the way), got your passport and immigration form stamped and followed the sign "exit". This guides you straight to the baggage claim area.

Indnesian citizens line up for a number of immigration desks. After you retrieve your baggage you proceed to the exit where part of the passengers are randomly selected to put their bags through the scanner. I just handed in the blue customs form and was waved through last December. Fastest arrival ever.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1666351]In June it was like this already. You bought your VoA (I always arrive by KLM, by the way), got your passport and immigration form stamped and followed the sign "exit". This guides you straight to the baggage claim area.

Indnesian citizens line up for a number of immigration desks. After you retrieve your baggage you proceed to the exit where part of the passengers are randomly selected to put their bags through the scanner. I just handed in the blue customs form and was waved through last December. Fastest arrival ever.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]Maybe your flight was an exception. I arrived about a month ago from Europe and had to queue two times: to buy the voa and to have the visa glued in my passport. Later, arriving from Sydney, things were taken care of in the plane after paying for the voa at Sydney airport.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1666515] Later, arriving from Sydney, things were taken care of in the plane after paying for the voa at Sydney airport.[/QUOTE]This is super convenient, I had it twice as well. No queuing. Can only be done on Garuda Indonesia flights though. Have a great time in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1666515]Maybe your flight was an exception. I arrived about a month ago from Europe and had to queue two times: to buy the voa and to have the visa glued in my passport. Later, arriving from Sydney, things were taken care of in the plane after paying for the voa at Sydney airport.[/QUOTE]Strange. Are they differentiating between ports of departure or airlines or what?

Both in June and December I bought my VoA at a desk at the start of the "arrival hall" and got my VoA sticker attached at the same time. In December I then mistakenly queued with the Indonesians but was duly sent back at the start of the travelator and pointed in the direction of the "exit" sign. This led to the baggage claim area.

Garuda has been offering the onboard VoA service for some years now, but for long haul flights I no longer fly with Garuda due to the cramped seating.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1666703]Strange. Are they differentiating between ports of departure or airlines or what?

Both in June and December I bought my VoA at a desk at the start of the "arrival hall" and got my VoA sticker attached at the same time. In December I then mistakenly queued with the Indonesians but was duly sent back at the start of the travelator and pointed in the direction of the "exit" sign. This led to the baggage claim area.

Garuda has been offering the onboard VoA service for some years now, but for long haul flights I no longer fly with Garuda due to the cramped seating.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]I'm not quite sure what the issue is here. The normal procedure for those who are going to get a VOA is to go to the VOA window, pay for the VOA, and then proceed maybe five or ten meters to the immigration windows that are dedicated to processing foreigners, and are essentially next to the VOA windows. There the immigration officer will paste the VOA into the passport and stamp it. You then walk down a lane to the baggage area, where before leaving the lane someone, if awake, will look at your passport to make sure this has all been done.

Depending on time of day, and so forth, there may be a line for the VOA's, and there may be a separate line for immigration processing. I fly business class, try to be the first off the plane, and run to immigration, so I often do not have to queue. But sometimes I do, at both lines, particularly if another plane has arrived just before mine. I have seen more than 100 people in the VOA line after arriving on an ANA flight (fortunately, they were behind me as I ran to the VOA window from the plane). I suspect this is because ANA is a Japanese airline and most of the passengers likely were Japanese who were going to enter via a VOA. A couple of times I also had to wait for more than fifteen minutes in the immigration line to get my passport stamped and the VOA glued in. In one case it was during an ASEAN (sp?) event, and the immigration officers were closely screening everyone, thereby slowing down the progress of the line.

The only exception to the above is when flying Garuda from certain ports of entry one can purchase a VOA before boarding, and immigration agents are on the airplane to paste the VOA into the passport and stamp it. Or, for those who do not need a VOA, the immigration officer simply stamps the passport. I suspect Garuda only does this on the bigger planes, as I have flown into Jakarta on some smaller Garuda planes and they did not offer this service. But they do from Narita, and based on some other posts here apparently do so from Sydney as well.

How much is the BJ in the VIP room?

Is more available?

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1665670]Yesterday I was at D's Place (now under new ownership, mr. John, according to the girls) and I re-established contact with Ayu, already dancing there for some time. She is the one wearing the shortest dress with a string underneath. I took her to the VIP-room together with her colleague Cha Cha and got one of the best BJ's I had there for quite some time. Back in the bar we talked for a while and I invited her to my room with her colleague Mila (already early 30's but new at D's).

Of course they were one hour late due to macet, but we spent an enjoyable couple of hour together. 700 k + taxi for each.

Both are not exactly large breasted and visibly had kids, but are still tight and are eager to please.

Pictures in the photo thread.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Leche;1666964]How much is the BJ in the VIP room?

Is more available?[/QUOTE]Please invest a few minutes to read earlier posts before resorting to the lazy way of firing off questions.

[QUOTE=Psychman;1664426]Jakarta newbie, but veteran of many spots around the world seeks advance. I will be in Jakrata for five nights in the not too distant future, and then off to some work in Bandung. Will have free time after a week of work and then will probably come back to Jakarta for five or six days.

After reading the forum a good deal, I am thinking of spending three nights in North Jakarta / Kota (this includes the first night when I get in very late) at the Mecure Jakrata Kota, and then moving down for my last couple of nights to Central Jakarta or father south to Blok M. I understand that the traffic is just hell, which would explain why I am thinking of the two areas as distinct sections of the trip. Does this seem sound? I assume I can get back and forth to BATS from either area, as long as it is after 10 pm, correct? I think I have read under half an hour IF it is after 10 pm, yes? Will Bats freelancers be "cool" with coming up to Cota.

About my preferences- I far prefer long time / all nighters to hour spa visits (although, will pertake). I eat "local" everywhere I travel to (most countries in Latin America, PI, LOS, Cambodia, Maylasia, ect ect) - I love markets, night markets, street food, and day time wanderings through "funky" areas. I am very self contained and don't need a lot of day time activities- I will spend a couple of hours a day reading and working out. I love megalopolisis- yes, that even includes enjoying walking around various "cities" in metro Manila (during the day).

Other questions. I am not clear about the best places / strategies for freelancers in North Jakarta / Kota? Some info about some of the discos, but there is a great deal of trepidation about addicted woman. Any thoughts?

Also, midpriced hotels (40-70 dollar range) suggestions for the second leg of the trip? I am open to anywhere interesting with good walking around, and not too far from freelancers at night. Hotel should have a gym.

About me. Pushing fifty look thirties, into extreme fitness (HIIT mostly), love to dance have have no problem blending in in places where late 20's to early 30's reveleres are welcome. Obliviously, any younger and "normal" places are foolish. Actually like hitting "normal" dance clubs at times to try my luck with non P4 P and "the grey area", but rely on P4 P. My favorite places are dance clubs where freelancers and "normals" mix, or where there are regular girls who are more than thrilled to look. I also love freelancer discos (which means, BATS is a must, right).

I know, a ton of questions, and hopefully they do reflect the fact that I have done a ton of RTFF.

Sorry for the rambling post.[/QUOTE]Would love some thoughts and feedback. Thanks.

Dude, in response to your request for info in order of your questions below, and seeing as your a senior monger and done your RTFF, then here is my 200 rupiahs worth.

Stay at the Mecure, its a good loco. I wouldn't move hotel just to be near BlokM. Don't worry about the blokm taxi ride, by the time you leave the Blok it will be 1 am-ish, so the trip will be 30 mins tops, at 1 am its 15 mins from BATS.

BATS girls go everywhere, most BATS girls end up in the BLOK BTW, if theres no customers or too much competition in BATs. I could be challenged here, but I have frequently seen just as good talent in Top Gun as in BATS, albeit at 2000-300 k less. And YES BATS FL's have no problem going to Kota, the Mecure is respectable and its central.

I concur, I prefer allnighters than spa girls any day of the week. Spa girls are for Chinese with small dicks and no charming qualities to collect normal girls. FL's are for tourists. The ones in BATS for tourist with big wallets, remember FL's have a choice and it makes a big difference! And lets face it, we all like a challenge (even if sometimes its like fish in a barrel).

As far as the food goes. Make your own call. If you've eaten street food in other developing countries, then you'll be ok. Just be smart. Usual stuff in other counties, cooked food, busy stalls, clean cutlery, etc. A really good option in my opinion is if your happy with street food got to the 'warungs'. Their a step up from street food, but in reality only a small amount of price increase. Basically street food in a basic restaurant setting (very basic). You can sit down and chat to locals and find where the good girls are. The benefit is they have running water which is a must IMHO for cleaning cutlery, the street option of the 2 bucket strategy aint cutting it for me guys. Also, you often find the successful street food stalls end up in this manner (also look for 'warteg' - more food choices really, especially looks for padang food 'masakan padang' but maybe another dollar or two for a good feed). In fact without digressing too much, you got to try some masakan padang, google away my friend.

Discos in Jakarta are an acquired taste, I assume you mean the hardcore stuff as reference to your comment about the girls being on it. The hardcore Kota clubs are only for those who are young or young at heart and have an inclination for dance music, if your NOT then you will be annoyed with the amount of young hotties off their face, the unique kota tribal dance music, the damn damn loud music and the very very dangerous conditions (my biggest problem is relaxing when I'm in a club full of people off their face, on the 4th floor and there is 1 exit in and out). Back to freelancers in Nth Jakarta. Ok so again I am going to be controversial here, but the way I see it is every single Indonesian girl under 30 in Nth Jakarta, without a BF and not Indo Chinese IS after 10 pm a freelancer. OK Ok so I am generalizing, but basically get out around Hayum Waruk and Lokassari at midnight and their all on the game.

So, I am still not quite sure what type of nightclub scene you like. BATS is like Brix in singapore, high end western music full of westerners on high salaries. Ditto CJ's.

If you like or want to try the hardcore stuff its Kota for sure, but you got to occasionally deal with warm beer.

Drop me a note when your in town, if I am free I can show you a few favs in Nth Jakarta.

P.S. First night you arrive late right, well BATS is open till 3 am and BlokM same. Nth later again, but the spots up there are more of a challenge for a newbie first time.

Cheers HHM.

[QUOTE=Psychman;1664426]Jakarta newbie, but veteran of many spots around the world seeks advance. I will be in Jakrata for five nights in the not too distant future, and then off to some work in Bandung. Will have free time after a week of work and then will probably come back to Jakarta for five or six days.

After reading the forum a good deal, I am thinking of spending three nights in North Jakarta / Kota (this includes the first night when I get in very late) at the Mecure Jakrata Kota, and then moving down for my last couple of nights to Central Jakarta or father south to Blok M. I understand that the traffic is just hell, which would explain why I am thinking of the two areas as distinct sections of the trip. Does this seem sound? I assume I can get back and forth to BATS from either area, as long as it is after 10 pm, correct? I think I have read under half an hour IF it is after 10 pm, yes? Will Bats freelancers be "cool" with coming up to Cota.

About my preferences- I far prefer long time / all nighters to hour spa visits (although, will pertake). I eat "local" everywhere I travel to (most countries in Latin America, PI, LOS, Cambodia, Maylasia, ect ect) - I love markets, night markets, street food, and day time wanderings through "funky" areas. I am very self contained and don't need a lot of day time activities- I will spend a couple of hours a day reading and working out. I love megalopolisis- yes, that even includes enjoying walking around various "cities" in metro Manila (during the day).

Other questions. I am not clear about the best places / strategies for freelancers in North Jakarta / Kota? Some info about some of the discos, but there is a great deal of trepidation about addicted woman. Any thoughts?

Also, midpriced hotels (40-70 dollar range) suggestions for the second leg of the trip? I am open to anywhere interesting with good walking around, and not too far from freelancers at night. Hotel should have a gym.

About me. Pushing fifty look thirties, into extreme fitness (HIIT mostly), love to dance have have no problem blending in in places where late 20's to early 30's reveleres are welcome. Obliviously, any younger and "normal" places are foolish. Actually like hitting "normal" dance clubs at times to try my luck with non P4 P and "the grey area", but rely on P4 P. My favorite places are dance clubs where freelancers and "normals" mix, or where there are regular girls who are more than thrilled to look. I also love freelancer discos (which means, BATS is a must, right).

I know, a ton of questions, and hopefully they do reflect the fact that I have done a ton of RTFF.

Sorry for the rambling post.[/QUOTE]

Hey mate, I just reread your post, I think I gave too much emphasis to crazy clubs up north, maybe after a few beers that's where my mind is at present.

I'd say stick with BATS, TOP GUN, MyBar and CJS, if you will pay western bar prices, But if they aint doing it for you venture elsewhere. I might add the language will be barrier outside of those places may be a challenge. But far from impossible for an intrepid monger.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1667576]
So, I am still not quite sure what type of nightclub scene you like. BATS is like Brix in singapore, high end western music full of westerners on high salaries. Ditto CJ's.

If you like or want to try the hardcore stuff its Kota for sure, but you got to occasionally deal with warm beer.

Drop me a note when your in town, if I am free I can show you a few favs in Nth Jakarta.

P.S. First night you arrive late right, well BATS is open till 3 am and BlokM same. Nth later again, but the spots up there are more of a challenge for a newbie first time.

Cheers HHM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1666703]
Garuda has been offering the onboard VoA service for some years now, but for long haul flights I no longer fly with Garuda due to the cramped seating.
Regards,
Ko.[/QUOTE]First time since decades that I flew Garuda from Amsterdam to Jakarta last month, but I didn't notice that the VOA service onboard, was available.

Great post HHM.

Yes I'm a it of a North guy being a Chinese Aussie.

I love my pork dishes and can only really get in the North Jakarta Chinese area.

Yes most of the girls walking around the Lokasari area are WL.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1667576]P.S. First night you arrive late right, well BATS is open till 3 am and BlokM same. Nth later again, but the spots up there are more of a challenge for a newbie first time.[/QUOTE]To start my big 2015 SEA trip I will be flying into Jakarta late at night after an impossible 26 hour duration flight from the south eastern USA on United Airlines and her sister carrier Ana. My flight is scheduled to arrive at around 11:30 pm local time. I will be tired for sure, but I know from many past experiences of arriving into HKG and MNL at night after a long flight that my adrenaline will be pumping and sleep is out of the question. So the issue is where to go on my 1st night back in town to kick things off right and have a really good time. After a little thought I whittled it down to 3 possiblities: Bats, Blok M, or Malioboro (Malio Club). Then it was an easy decision and not much of a contest which of the three to head for. So after I check into my hotel and freshen up a little, I will be going straight to Malioboro or Malio Club (don't know which until I get there) where I know I am going to have a guaranteed great time with little or no effort. (Remember, I am going to be tried from the long flight and do not want a sleepover.) Afterwards I will crash and reset my internal clock. I am really looking forward to my 2nd trip to Jakarta. The girls here are among the best in Asia.

I have been to Jakarta once before about 4 years ago. Veteran of many other countries but still something of a newbie in Indonesia. Returning for a second time in a few days time for my second tour, this time armed with RTFF info.

Anyone up for a day / night out, PM me.

Cheers,

Dg1980

Hard Hat Mate- Thanks so much for your very detailed post- it was very helpful. I will send a PM. As a follow up, I love diversity in clubs- I am sure CJs and BATS will be great, and actually love love hard house, tribal and other electronica. Not every night, but.

Thanks for the hotel feedback. One more question. Work colleagues are going to pick me up in Jakarta from a couple hours away. Will the Mercure Kota scream "monger in sex tourist area", or will it be a fine place for them to come and get me. I will actually have six nights before they come for me, and after a bit more reading, am thinking of staying the whole time there. Yet, if it will raise questions, I will move a more business oriented hotel in Central Jakarta.

Beyond excited for this trip- one month to go.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1661394]Your mistake, with the greatest of respect, was even discussing the price.

After you have enjoyed the lady's company, and she's all showered, dressed up and ready for the door, slip her a previously prepared 500,000 (if it was short time, I have no idea of long time prices, others can provide that info but the procedure is the same) into her pocket or purse, give her a peck on the cheek and a pat on her pert ass as you usher her out the door. Once in a while she may check the money as she is leaving (and in fairness there are cheap assholes out there who would lead her to do so) and pout sadly and say "Tambahin dong" ("Give us a bit more, eh? " ) . If she did a great job and her pout melts your heart, with a look of feigned exasperation you can slip her an extra fifty, if she wasn't worth it, a friendly wink and a slightly firmer pat on the backside toward the open door will do the trick.

Rest assured you will have paid a fair wage for a fair job. Honor will be even and no distress will have been caused.[/QUOTE]I am a bit late in responding but I do have some details to share with the forum. Yes I do agree that discussing was a mistake but I tried to avoid that after I realized my mistake up front in not asking. But while I was trying to leave with her (she can't speak English), about 4:30 am her friend came running after us to discuss on her behalf.

I did see her a few more times in My Bar and she was in that 'clique' of girls, the group of cuties that hang out together. Maybe that's the new 1 M gang.

Anyway I did meet some others that were not so cute and they started at 800 k but was negotiable. Maybe this new gang have their set price and won't discount.

The few times I did see her after she ignored me (as expected) but I didn't see her with anyone else either, as night's end she would leave with her friends alone (as far as I can tell).

Anyway live and learn and me other posts will explain maybe not going with her was a mistake.

And I also agree with Smoothy's comments about the quality of girls in Blok M they are mostly 4/5 but once in a while you do get a gem.

Just returned from my holidays in Jakarta and I must say the quality and quantity of girls in Blok M has decreased considerably and I have been going there for many years. In my previous post I did explain my meeting with the M $ baby, but I did also meet some regular girls that maybe would be 4/5. They seem to have a fixed routine for asking price start at 800 but they are negotiable and will discount.

I can't speak Indonesian so I try to meet someone who can speak a little English. First girl I met had a baby and it showed when we returned to the hotel, and she was just a regular performer nothing special so just went with her the 1 time. Did see her a few more times in the bar but only Hi / Hello I didn't want to repeat. However, 2 days before I left I saw her with a group of her friends (Saturday night) and there was some beauties in that group, I didn't approach as I feared the 1 M price tag once again.

The second person also had a baby but she was more in shape, flat stomach, and nice legs but she can swear like a drunken sailor. She was ok but again not special but I did repeat a few times after recovering from her abusive texts.

The next person I met was a disaster, I finally know what the term "dead fish" means. Was I ever suckered with this girl.

Your inbox is full, so my PM bounced.

See you tomorrow evening; Menteng will be there too.

[QUOTE=Psychman;1667704]Hard Hat Mate- Thanks so much for your very detailed post- it was very helpful. I will send a PM. As a follow up, I love diversity in clubs- I am sure CJs and BATS will be great, and actually love love hard house, tribal and other electronica. Not every night, but.

Thanks for the hotel feedback. One more question. Work colleagues are going to pick me up in Jakarta from a couple hours away. Will the Mercure Kota scream "monger in sex tourist area", or will it be a fine place for them to come and get me. I will actually have six nights before they come for me, and after a bit more reading, am thinking of staying the whole time there. Yet, if it will raise questions, I will move a more business oriented hotel in Central Jakarta.

Beyond excited for this trip- one month to go.[/QUOTE]Psychman.

Be careful there are two Mercure's in Hayam Waruk Street. The recommendation is the "Gran Mercure" in Harmoni area. This is the one with the large pool, new sauna and gym overlooking the Transjakarta station (direct to Blok M) and street. It's also conveniently across the road / canal from Malioboro / Malio club (two venues in one).

It's a modern and respectable hotel which is popular for weddings so your colleagues wifes / families would approve of it. It's also close to national museum, grand mosques etc. So would suit the average joe public tourist.

The other mercure is an old hotel and half the price for good reason.

If you are wanting to explore south Jakarta I guess the hotels in Kemang e. G Swiss Bell. Would be an interesting option though to get a gym and pool you'd be paying twice the price of Gran Mercure.

If I had a week in Jakarta I would probably only make one visit to Bats / CJs. The rest would definatley be North to experience the sweat, smells and deep house of the clubs and parlours that Jakarta is renowned for.

Back in Jakarta, but with a big difference!. Somehow some kind of relationship with someone I know for years, just happened. Is it good? Not if you want to keep contributing FR's to ISG.

However, "meeting an old friend" was good enough to provide me with some time to meet a very well-known member of this thread, one afternoon, in the Kota area. We exchanged novelties while enjoying a steak at Abuba and due to the lack of time, we headed the the nearest spots: Kartika, Berlian and the first in the row in that alley (forgot the name).

The first one had a lot of young 6-7/10, but since no one of them reacted to our entrance, I decided to go to the next place, Berlian. More of the same reaction there actually, only, the mamasan kept pushing to take one. Just as we were to leave the place, a bubbly girl, in the literal and figurative sense, prevented us from doing that. Her looks were ok, but she was too fat for my taste. I still wanted to see what Kartika had to offer, so we went there. My bad, somehow, that afternoon, the reception in the 3 places was far from being great! What a deception! But, since I wanted to make the most of my time, I decided to go back to the bubbly girl.

In the room she started undressing me while teasing my dick with her hands and her tongue. I thought that that was a good start. Then I had to lay face-down and she started to give a decent massage. At some point she reached under my body and started giving a HJ. I soon turned around and asked her to continue with BBBJ. I also tried to get an AR, but she wasn't very willing to do that. Still I managed to push her head in the right direction to receive sporadic strokes of her tongue on the right spot. This cat and mouse game continued a few minutes until I was ready to come. I moved her mouth over my dick and after a few up and down movements I shot my load in her mouth while she kept on sucking.

When we were showering afterwards, of course, my mobile phone rang. I guess you'll all know who was at the other end of the line. I managed to find a window so street noises were to be heard by her when she asked me where I was! I'm walking to the Transjakarta busstop, dear!

PS I tried to post a photo of bubbly, but failed. Is it because I use a proxy?

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1668049]Your inbox is full, so my PM bounced.

See you tomorrow evening; Menteng will be there too.[/QUOTE]I'm so Jealous of you guys catching up.

Did you get the chance to meet up with JAD?

Have fun and reports please.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1668055]Psychman.

Be careful there are two Mercure's in Hayam Waruk Street. The recommendation is the "Gran Mercure" in Harmoni area. This is the one with the large pool, new sauna and gym overlooking the Transjakarta station (direct to Blok M) and street. It's also conveniently across the road / canal from Malioboro / Malio club (two venues in one).

It's a modern and respectable hotel which is popular for weddings so your colleagues wifes / families would approve of it. It's also close to national museum, grand mosques etc. So would suit the average joe public tourist.

The other mercure is an old hotel and half the price for good reason.

If you are wanting to explore south Jakarta I guess the hotels in Kemang e. G Swiss Bell. Would be an interesting option though to get a gym and pool you'd be paying twice the price of Gran Mercure.

If I had a week in Jakarta I would probably only make one visit to Bats / CJs. The rest would definatley be North to experience the sweat, smells and deep house of the clubs and parlours that Jakarta is renowned for.[/QUOTE]Thanks so much for your response. I actually booked at the older, more "naughty" and cheaper location, the Mercure Kota for 6 nights (paid through Agoda). I might actually get another room for the final night at a more "respectable" hotel- I need to check out the vibe of my colleagues and the hotel / area. The Mercure Kota is cheap enough that it is not a big deal.

I may (or may not) stay South on the final leg of the trip- I will have six days on the ground to see how I feel. I may even fly to Bali for a few. Very excited for all that Jakarta has to offer, from the Deep House clubs, to the high end spas, to mid range places like Travel, to CJs and Bats, Blok M, ect. As with all my trips, I over prepare, and once I am there, I go with the flow. Just how I roll.

[QUOTE=Psychman;1668718]Thanks so much for your response. I actually booked at the older, more "naughty" and cheaper location, the Mercure Kota for 6 nights (paid through Agoda). I might actually get another room for the final night at a more "respectable" hotel- I need to check out the vibe of my colleagues and the hotel / area. The Mercure Kota is cheap enough that it is not a big deal.

I may (or may not) stay South on the final leg of the trip- I will have six days on the ground to see how I feel. I may even fly to Bali for a few. Very excited for all that Jakarta has to offer, from the Deep House clubs, to the high end spas, to mid range places like Travel, to CJs and Bats, Blok M, ect. As with all my trips, I over prepare, and once I am there, I go with the flow. Just how I roll.[/QUOTE]Although I haven't stayed at the Mercure Kota, I have been there for lunch. Based on appearances, it is not luxury but doesn't seem bad. And I tend to like the location more than the Mercure Harmoni (closer to the down and dirty Kota bars), although if one gravitates to the higher-end Malioboro (as many do) the Mercure Harmoni would be closer. The newer Mercure at Harmoni is more of a higher-quality hotel (perhaps 4-star to Kota's 3 or 3 1/2 star), but that doesn't detract from the acceptability of the Mercure Kota. Then again, I haven't stayed in any of the rooms there so my information is not complete.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1668049]Your inbox is full, so my PM bounced.

See you tomorrow evening; Menteng will be there too.[/QUOTE]

We could almost have held a congress last night <grin> ; Egy Monger, Menteng, Smoothy and myself at the bar in D's and Cooze Hound would have joined too if his stomach hadn't protested too much.

Good enoough for a repeat in future.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1668960]We could almost have held a congress last night <grin> ; Egy Monger, Menteng, Smoothy and myself at the bar in D's and Cooze Hound would have joined too if his stomach hadn't protested too much.

Good enoough for a repeat in future.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]Looking forward to it!

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1667576]

Discos in Jakarta are an acquired taste, I assume you mean the hardcore stuff as reference to your comment about the girls being on it. The hardcore Kota clubs are only for those who are young or young at heart and have an inclination for dance music, if your NOT then you will be annoyed with the amount of young hotties off their face, the unique kota tribal dance music, the damn damn loud music and the very very dangerous conditions (my biggest problem is relaxing when I'm in a club full of people off their face, on the 4th floor and there is 1 exit in and out). Back to freelancers in Nth Jakarta. Ok so again I am going to be controversial here, but the way I see it is every single Indonesian girl under 30 in Nth Jakarta, without a BF and not Indo Chinese IS after 10 pm a freelancer. OK Ok so I am generalizing, but basically get out around Hayum Waruk and Lokassari at midnight and their all on the game.

Cheers HHM.[/QUOTE]I just spend two weekends in Jakarta. This is by far the most interesting and accurate post.

Here is my highlights.

Girl clubs.

Malioboro Sat night, 10 PM. Amazing place full of energy, girl DJ's, lots of naked girls on middle stage changing. A must visit! Girls all have trimmed Bush, it's like part of their uniform. Lots of cute side-line girls sitting around, talk with mamasan to inquire. My understanding cost is 800-1 M give or take. Then you get constantly approached by couples of girls; your choice to chat with them or buy them drinks. The stage girls some do BJ's some don't, more expensive. Not sure about exact prices. Also check out upstairs. I really enjoyed it there. So many not girls in one place. I think there is also a spa, I didn't go.

Alexis Sun night. Compared to Malioboro the spa 7th floor is much more quite relaxed place. Girls sit in batches, based on nationality. Local (and some very cute) are 1-1. 2 M. You've got a variety of other nationalities incl Vietnam, China, Kazak for up to 2. 3 M I chatted with Kazak girl, super friendly and cute. Shuts early, like 1 or 2 am on weekdays and Sunday. A very nice place to relax early evenings. Nice spa.

Check out Classic, a cheaper option to the above. You've got floor 1 and 5, found both similar. Girls are 3. 5 K and 700 for 2, special. Hot non-sideline girls, approach you with mamasan. They want you to buy them shots (I think it was 50 K a shot) to play with their tits and asses. Got quoted 1. 3 M for one of these. Classic is a class below Malioboro and Alexis, hence cheaper prices. But you can find a hot one.

BATS, Sunday 8 PM or so, was slow and I left. Didn't get a chance to checkout CJ.

BLOK M, a good late hour option, only been to MyBar, but there are other clubs on the block. But will take time to find one you like, it's bit seedy and you don't get to meet a girl in bikini to take a good look first. This is cool though if you like FL's and some game. Overall not very impressed with quality.

Malls.

Grand Plaza Indonesia is great for food, lots of restaurants from all corners of Asia. As far as girls, you are not in LA or Miami, you will walk a mile before seeing a hot girl. That's my opinion of course.

Normal clubs.

Your best bet to start the night is Potato Head lounge for a drink, then Immigrant. Also you've got a lot of good clubs around Potato Head. These are highest end places, but I can't say that these high end girls are much better quality than elsewhere (or this could be New Years week and hot ones were in Bali). I heard there you can meet a "good" girl. I would have a couple of drinks and get numbers, and move on to North.

North clubs.

Gold Crown Bar, huge, happening every day. Lots of FL's, some will wait to be approached, some approach you. Another really good option for crazy clubbing is Melli's Entertainment. I was there until 3 PM next day and it was still on. Like the OP said, you must understand your way around club scene, being able to mingle with all the Hi girls, enjoy music and dance. Best go with a local to show you around. For me these places were the most fun, crazy and unpredictable, I love the hunt in clubs.

The music in the North is same or similar tune, the kind I couldn't really figure out, a mix of tribal / dub / techno; Melli's has one room with more mainstream techno / deep house. Keep in mind drinks are pricey in all these clubs, so 120-150 K per drink (comes to 5-8 pounds per drink), still cheaper than London but you are not in London.

Taxi.

Most will use meter, so really no issues there, very cheap, but if you are not staying at a one of the main hotels be prepared to explain exactly where it is and best show them google map on your phone.

Overall quite impressed with nightlife and the city.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1668960]We could almost have held a congress last night <grin> ; Egy Monger, Menteng, Smoothy and myself at the bar in D's and Cooze Hound would have joined too if his stomach hadn't protested too much.

Good enoough for a repeat in future.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]Yes it was like a mini-congress.

It's a shame the back room was empty that night.

Also seemed the dancers on stage were reluctant to go in the back room.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1669117]BATS, Sunday 8 PM or so, was slow and I left. Didn't get a chance to checkout CJ.[/QUOTE]Even though it's free entry on Sundays it's still the emptiest day of the week.

And 8 PM is a bit too early, better to go around 10 when the band starts playing. Doesn't get packed until 12.

CJ's would have also been empty at 8 pm. Not just on Sunday, but any night. That's too early to go out.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1669263]Yes it was like a mini-congress.

It's a shame the back room was empty that night.

Also seemed the dancers on stage were reluctant to go in the back room.[/QUOTE]I'm not too concerned if I'm the only visitor to the backroom, but everyone has their own preferences. I agree that "the more the merrier" but if other people are not inclined, I think it's their loss. Not all dancers want to go to the backroom (Mila is one of them) but many are quite keen for the extra income. Chacha (the one in the red T-shirt where Smoothy was quite keen on) is enthousiastic, as are Ayu and Indi and a number of others. Maybe you just left too soon.

I hope we can repeat some time.

Regards,

Ko.

Landed around noon for my first visit to Jakarta. Checked into Holiday Inn Express Thamrin. A decent reasonably priced hotel in Central Jakarta. No issues with girls coming in for overnight.

About 9 PM, I went over to BATS in Shangrila. It is a short distance. But, was advised by the reception to take a taxi. Apparently, after 9, it is not very safe to walk around. The hotel lobby is majestic. Even at 9, crowd was decent. There was a lively band. Started talking to a girl, who was shy and seemed like a regular office worker. Claimed to be a insurance firm staff with high school education. Quoted 1 million for short time, but I stuck to 600 K. She agreed to that and seemed in a hurry to close the deal and get away.

A short taxi ride took us to the hotel, where we spent about 90 minutes with real GFE. Bliss.

CJ's doesn't open till 9 pm (may have changed since it's been a couple of years since I've stayed in the Mulia). Went down once at 8.45 pm and walked inside to a few strange looks. The guys weren't even on the doors yet, but since I was a guest they sat me down, grabbed me a drink and continued on setting up. Was interesting watching the place fill up through the night!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1669412]CJ's would have also been empty at 8 pm. Not just on Sunday, but any night. That's too early to go out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1669834]Maybe you just left too soon.
[/QUOTE]Leave one good place, and end up at another good place. You can't swing a dead cat in Jakarta without hitting a great place to have a good time. At the place we ended up, there was a nude dancer with a beautiful trimmed and meaty pussy about 6 feet from my face. That image may be forever imprinted in my mind. That was so damn hot! One of the nicest pussies I've seen in a long time. Mesmerizing. Too bad she had a bit of a butter face.

Then ended up for an hour's meeting in a private room to discuss International relations with this charming debutante who is a fan of America.

Nice rack, too, thanks. How much did you pay and where, please? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1670120]Leave one good place, and end up at another good place. You can't swing a dead cat in Jakarta without hitting a great place to have a good time. At the place we ended up, there was a nude dancer with a beautiful trimmed and meaty pussy about 6 feet from my face. That image may be forever imprinted in my mind. That was so damn hot! One of the nicest pussies I've seen in a long time. Mesmerizing. Too bad she had a bit of a butter face.

Then ended up for an hour's meeting in a private room to discuss International relations with this charming debutante who is a fan of America.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=LionKing777;1669954] Started talking to a girl, who was shy and seemed like a regular office worker. Claimed to be a insurance firm staff with high school education.[/QUOTE]Rest assured no so-called "regular office worker" would be caught dead at these places as they would be afraid of getting caught by their male colleagues who may be frequenting these places as well.

It's just a clever tactic they use so they can up the ante so to speak and get more money from you if you go with her or even have you fall in love with her so you send her money (while she fucks around, of course). Part-time "model", actor, teacher, marketing director, college student, daughter of a wealthy businessman, blah blah blah. It's all a bunch of lies to get you to think she's above the pack / competition and isn't just any hardcore hooker.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1670120] <SNIP>

Then ended up for an hour's meeting in a private room to discuss International relations with this charming debutante who is a fan of America.[/QUOTE]Nice assets.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1669834]I'm not too concerned if I'm the only visitor to the backroom, but everyone has their own preferences. I agree that "the more the merrier" but if other people are not inclined, I think it's their loss. Not all dancers want to go to the backroom (Mila is one of them) but many are quite keen for the extra income. Chacha (the one in the red T-shirt where Smoothy was quite keen on) is enthousiastic, as are Ayu and Indi and a number of others. Maybe you just left too soon.

I hope we can repeat some time.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]Friday night was G-string and bra day for the red dancing team (there were 3 teams) with Chacha taking the initiative and the rest following. Many trips to the back room by dancers and freelancers. A number of quite saucy ex-dancers (according to Ayu) up on stage. Good atmosphere all around. Later I sat down with Ayu and Inka (who had turned 26 at 12) to discuss my upcoming return home. Then I took them both back for a BJ. They took turns and I came in Inka's mouth. Ayu sucked me clean. Nice end to my Jakarta trip.

Regards,

Ko.

OK, so the two single, university educated girls I worked with at a multi-national company who regularly went to BATS, Tiga Puluh, Red Square and even the block were really hookerrs in disguise? Of course those places are full of working girls, but they are not all on the game. Sure, some supplement their wages (the very definition of a semi-pro), others are looking for a boyfriend, some just want to get their drink on and dance. I remember a friend who has been here much longer than I have saying when I first arrived that the thing he loved about BATS was running into girls he'd met while doing business here. I do take your point about the marketing ploy, I remember one well-used Jaksa lady popping up on a dating site claiming to work in a position she could not spell and in fact, the only position she was capable of holding would have been on her hands and knees with her ass in the air. However, what you have said, with all due respect, has not been what I have experienced here.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1670413]Rest assured no so-called "regular office worker" would be caught dead at these places as they would be afraid of getting caught by their male colleagues who may be frequenting these places as well.

It's just a clever tactic they use so they can up the ante so to speak and get more money from you if you go with her or even have you fall in love with her so you send her money (while she fucks around, of course). Part-time "model", actor, teacher, marketing director, college student, daughter of a wealthy businessman, blah blah blah. It's all a bunch of lies to get you to think she's above the pack / competition and isn't just any hardcore hooker.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;1670773]OK, so the two single, university educated girls I worked with at a multi-national company who regularly went to BATS, Tiga Puluh, Red Square and even the block were really hookerrs in disguise? [/QUOTE]Probably not, but I don't think they'd want too many knowing they are regulars at BATS (especially at work) depending on the 'era'. Over time, BATS seems to move towards a legitimate bar with many girls going for just a good time, and then seems to move back to being basically 100% working girl. And then the cycle starts again. The same seems to go for most bars that are not high end hangouts for locals that expats are also known to attend.

I've had almost no luck in getting anything resembling a 'normal' girl to go near Blok M bars, even the mention of the place seems to invoke a look of disgust and horror, so well done on finding some who did go!

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;1670773]OK, so the two single, university educated girls I worked with at a multi-national company who regularly went to BATS, Tiga Puluh, Red Square and even the block were really hookerrs in disguise? Of course those places are full of working girls, but they are not all on the game. Sure, some supplement their wages (the very definition of a semi-pro), others are looking for a boyfriend, some just want to get their drink on and dance. I remember a friend who has been here much longer than I have saying when I first arrived that the thing he loved about BATS was running into girls he'd met while doing business here. I do take your point about the marketing ploy, I remember one well-used Jaksa lady popping up on a dating site claiming to work in a position she could not spell and in fact, the only position she was capable of holding would have been on her hands and knees with her ass in the air. However, what you have said, with all due respect, has not been what I have experienced here.[/QUOTE]What kind of work are we talking about here? Secretarial part-time?

As someone who frequents BATS nearly every other day on a daily basis for years and picked up many, I've yet to find one who truly is who she claims to be. Yes, a tiny minority aren't looking for money or aren't in the game (almost definitely they only go there during weekends), but sooner or later you'll find out they are truly on the game but may be taking a break or have an ex-client who went back to his country sending them money.

Simply put, no self-respecting "university educated girl" working at a "multi-national company" will hang out at the Blok M bars or even BATS (you may have been confused when you saw guests of the hotel which sometimes visit the bar).

Dig beneath the surface and you'll smell the bullshit soon enough.

Many say they're models, but turns out only got themselves on a quarter of a page of some shitty local brand which she paid for anyway to get herself published. The other says she's an actress, but only made a 5-second appearance in some TV ad 5 or 6 years ago. Then there's the teacher who doesn't even teach but gets away with the excuse easily because of her English. Then there's the one with the Mercedes E-Class who says she's some daughter of a well-connected businessman but truth she got it from her bule ex-husband who can't legally get back his car because of the way laws are here. Oh and let's not forget the so-called University students with fake ids (easily available, especially the Trisakti ones)?

Then there's those who want you to feel sorry for them and say they're just doing this to support their 2 kids with a deadbeat father but sooner or later you'll discover they're spending all their money on the genuine Gucci and LV bags, whitening creams and so on whilst dumping their kids who they probably haven't seen or care about in a few years over to Grandma in the Kampung.

Bottom line is, although a great portion of the CJ's and BATS hookers are educated by local standards, they're just too lazy to get a regular job (of which there are plenty available) when turning 1 or 2 tricks every month pretty much gives them the same income they'd otherwise get working 12 hours a day for 25 days a month.

After the great first night with the Indo "office worker", called her at 5 in the next afternoon, for a session at the hotel at 10. No sign till 10-15. Sent a reminder text. Got a reply that she will arrive at 11. Still no sign and no response to my phone calls too. Finally, at about midnight responded stating that she had fallen asleep. I said no issue, come now. She was not willing stating that her college going sister is with her and she cannot go out at that hour of the night. She was willing to come over in the morning and I was not willing for that. Finally, I decided to hit BATS after midnight and it was rocking. Met up with a mid 20 beauty from Vietnam, who had arrived in Jakarta only the day before with a friend from Singapore. A short time deal was fixed at one million.

She was great in bed. Confided that she worked in Dubai, but not in Vietnam. Did not have a man for the last 11/2 months and was quite hungry for sex. Kept saying "Your cock beautiful". Made my night.

My short visit to Jakarta was for only 2 days and I am sure to get back soon. Do not know whether I was plain lucky or what. But, my 2 encounters in Jakarta was among the very best for me.

A few pictures to show the dance clothes of the dancers who also went to the VIP room. Inka was the only one wearing a short dress over her string.

Regards,

Ko.

Karel, I was wondering what outfits they wore. I missed it that Friday night. Too bad I didn't know about it.

I ended up stuck in my room with this girl that night. Damn it all.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1670984]Karel, I was wondering what outfits they wore. I missed it that Friday night. Too bad I didn't know about it.

I ended up stuck in my room with this girl that night. Damn it all.[/QUOTE]Oh, brother, how I feel sorry for you!!

Next time you want her off your chest, or other part of your body, don't hesitate to call me to keep her busy. So you can go and join KK.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1670833]Bottom line is, although a great portion of the CJ's and BATS hookers are educated by local standards, they're just too lazy to get a regular job (of which there are plenty available) when turning 1 or 2 tricks every month pretty much gives them the same income they'd otherwise get working 12 hours a day for 25 days a month.[/QUOTE]When I meet "any" girl in Jakarta / Indonesia I assume she's working at least part time. I can't help thinking otherwise. You may be able to meet a "nice" girl who works in the mall, but I haven't seen any hot girls on the streets or malls. All the hot ones are in the clubs, strip clubs, and spas like Alexis, etc. So I don't bother looking for "normal" girl or a "good girl", I am looking for Hot and little bit of game.

BTW HIV is on the rise in Indonesia, especially in Jakarta. I've read statistics that up to 9 percent of WG's in Jakarta are HIV positive. Be careful.

My New year adventure turned into a nightmare with a girl I met in Blok M, knew her by name as she was / is a friend of a former girl that I had met years before but was I ever in for a.

Surprise.

Day 1 - it was late at night when I met her outside the bars and started to talk with her catching up on her friend etc. About 5:00 am decided it was time to go to the hotel and she wanted to come with me, I should have declines as I was tired. So got back to the hotel in time to just sleep, she stayed over until 2 pm the next day but refused my advances in the morning. Said she was tired.

Day 2 - She came over the next night about 10:00 pm, she texted me and asked if I wanted her to come over and I said yes. Thinking that maybe we could start over from where we never started the night before. When she arrived within 10 minutes (really 10 mins) she wanted to go, that should have been my RED FLAG. So I being caught off guard said ok go. If you want to go then leave, I was thinking it was early so I could still hit the bars. Then she pulled a 180 after doing something on her phone, she decided to stay. Well did I ever get the shy treatment she went under the covers and wouldn't come out or let me do anything, so I finally gave up and just watched TV, all the while thinking I let a Saturday night catch me bored at home. Once again she left at 2:00 pm the next day Sunday. I should have been wised to her tricks but it gets worse.

For a few days I didn't see at Blok M not that I was looking for her, I wasn't my mind was focused on other beauties that were hanging around and wondering if they too were $M babies. Then I saw her hiding from me in a corner of the bar and now I thought that's fine, I won't have to speak with her and I will be leaving Jakarta soon so find another girl for a few days.

Not so as I fell for the trap once again, Day 3 and day 4 coming soon.

I have been chatting online for a while with a nice lady, a process frankly that bores me stiff but is part of the essential groundwork involved in our happy hobby.

The lady has sent me several photos two of which show her wearing different slinky outfits against the same background, a background which appears to be a nightclub somewhere. Now given that I don't participate in the club scene anymore I can't identify it, so who better than to ask the knowledgeable chaps of this forum.

Can anyone identify this background? It would certainly save me an immense amount of time, money and effort if I could simply confirm what I already suspect about the young lady in question and get right down to business.

By the way there have been some nice pictures posted recently my apologies for posting such prosaic fare as this.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1671371]may be able to meet a "nice" girl who works in the mall, but I haven't seen any hot girls on malls.[/QUOTE]You haven't seen any hot chics in the malls? Are you serious? Whenever I hang out at Plaza Senayan or Grand Indonesia, I see plenty of attractive women better than anything the Kota places offer. It's the same with Thailand though. For a majority of these chics to be with a foreigner there's a whole shame and embarrassment factor they don't want to be involved in.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1670984]Karel, I was wondering what outfits they wore. I missed it that Friday night. Too bad I didn't know about it.

I ended up stuck in my room with this girl that night. Damn it all.[/QUOTE]I feel really sorry for you.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1671656]You haven't seen any hot chics in the malls? Are you serious? Whenever I hang out at Plaza Senayan or Grand Indonesia, I see plenty of attractive women better than anything the Kota places offer. It's the same with Thailand though. For a majority of these chics to be with a foreigner there's a whole shame and embarrassment factor they don't want to be involved in.[/QUOTE]I didn't see anyone who caught my attention. I like them wearing nice jeans / dresses and on hill shoes. I saw a few well dressed hot girls Chinese maybe, and some other with foreigners whom I thought to have possibly been expats-dating from Singapore. Not sure about shame, the ones I've met seem to be proudly posting pics with white males on their facebook walls both in Jakarta and Manila. They love blue eyes. In the malls and streets to my surprise I was not at all impressed in Jakarta and especially Manila. You walk around a mall in NY / Miami / LA / Moscow / Minsk you see hot, IMHO.

I thought girls in Bangkok dress better and look after themselves, and heard really good things about girls in Vietnam but I haven't been yet.

Anyways I don't mean to turn this into an argument, everyone's taste is different and there are plenty of pretty girls in Jakarta to be found. Nightlife is great, girls are receptive, was one of my best Asia trips overall.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1671656]You haven't seen any hot chics in the malls? Are you serious? Whenever I hang out at Plaza Senayan or Grand Indonesia, I see plenty of attractive women better than anything the Kota places offer. It's the same with Thailand though. For a majority of these chics to be with a foreigner there's a whole shame and embarrassment factor they don't want to be involved in.[/QUOTE]The "shame" element is entirely relative and works both ways.

In precisely the same way that we cringe when we see a bule bloke strolling through Plaza Indonesia escorted by some girl who is quite obviously a dolly bird he picked up in a Falatehan bar the night before (or in the case of the eejits who marry them, 10 years before, and isn't the sight of faded tattoos on 40-year-old, smoke-lined, brown skin so appealing?) so a well-educated Indonesian woman who comes from a wealthy family will not want to walk around with a guy in a Bir Bintang tank top, shorts, flip-flops and a mullet hair-do, or a pot-bellied 50-year-old English First teacher in his shirt and slacks he bought in Hypermart (with obligatory hand phone pouch on his belt for quick access to his urgent callers) but if he's dressed in decent business attire and clearly has a good job she will have absolutely no problem hanging on his elbow.

It's horses for courses. Not complicated at all when you think about it, just like attitudes in the West.

P.S. I have identified the club in the picture below as X2, a haunt of regular girls and not a pick-up joint if I have read the reviews correctly. I might give her a miss, I haven't the time or energy to be dealing with clubbers.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1671876]I didn't see anyone who caught my attention. I like them wearing nice jeans / dresses and on hill shoes. I saw a few well dressed hot girls Chinese maybe, and some other with foreigners whom I thought to have possibly been expats-dating from Singapore.[/QUOTE]Please don't forget that Indonesia is over 90% Muslim! You simply won't see many "hot-dressed" Indonesian girls in public malls (other than the Chinese) unless it's Friday or Saturday evening and they are on their way to a club.

I have been coming to Jakarta for years. Plenty of Travel Hotel, Big Country when it was around, CJs, etc. , but never have been to Blok M.

Is it any good these days? What are the costs, best bars? Does anyone have any good recent advice?

The archives talk a bit about what guys did and success in a particular bar, but could some.

One provide a current assessment of where to go, or even if to go.

Any other Travel Hotel options out there in other parts of this sprawl? I will be coming here a lot in the next few months and would be grateful for one-the-ground opinions.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Biz99;1672183]I have been coming to Jakarta for years. Plenty of Travel Hotel, Big Country when it was around, CJs, etc. , but never have been to Blok M.

Is it any good these days? What are the costs, best bars? Does anyone have any good recent advice?

The archives talk a bit about what guys did and success in a particular bar, but could some.

One provide a current assessment of where to go, or even if to go.

Any other Travel Hotel options out there in other parts of this sprawl? I will be coming here a lot in the next few months and would be grateful for one-the-ground opinions.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hi.

Aside from the obvious RTFF, as far as Blok M goes, it is losing its shine, slowly but surely, in the humble opinion of one whom has lived a couple of kilometers away for 11 years and still visits regularly.

3 main options bar wise. And remember the expression "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", alcohol intake by the punters helps a lot of Blok M girls get a gig.

D-s Place -- As of late has been discussed here a lot. If you want to shoot your load, go no further. Head into the VIP room and someone will sort you out, or hang around the Dancers and do a deal with one of them to either go into the VIP room or meet you someplace else. For freelancers, the's is not you best choice as most are a bit past their use by date. The's starts a bit earlier than the other bars.

TopGun -- Hit and miss but by and large you can find someone to your taste. TG has a reasonable atmosphere as they always have a live band.

MyBar -- Only really comes alive from about 1. 30 am onwards and of course is busier later in the week and weekends. A serious pick up joint, IMHO Saturday night is best as its the end of e working week for many freelance girls whom actually have jobs and still will go there. But there is a lot of crap that goes with Mybar also, aggressive local guys, drugs, occasional violence. Don't want to put anyone off but if its busy and you are lurching around bumping into people, keep your wits about you.

Blok M is still worth a visit especially if you like a bit of a hunt, but if you are well cashed up and just want minimum fuss, just do Bats or CJ's or Malioboro for example.

Thats my 5 cents worth on Blok M.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1668977]Looking forward to it![/QUOTE]Of course Eddie was sorely missed. Who knows what stories he could have told.

For my first ever visit to Jakarta in mid February I am looking at staying two nights at Favehotel Pasar Baru which I believe is in central Jakarta and while I have RTFF, I am still struggling getting a handle on Jakarta geographically and where is the best area / hotel to stay in.

1. Is the hotel gal friendly?

2. What are the closet clubs or bars that would be worth a visit in the nearby area?

3. How far in taxi time in the evening would it be areas such as CJ's or Bats, Blok M or clubs such Malioboro?

4. Is there anyone on this forum who could recommend it as a hotel to stay?

Any information to any of my above queries would be gratefully accepted.

Thanks in advance.

Fave is in north Jakarta basically in the red light district. Nothing charming about that area, but you can walk to Hotel Classic from that Fave Hotel. It's far from Blok M, Bats or CJs, but close to Malioboro. If you are not so interested in bringing back free lancers from Blok M, and want to spend most of your time in brothels like Malio and Classic, it's great. It's cheap as hell, so if that's your price range, that's as good a choice as any.

Hi,

I have an option of stopping over in Jakarta or Manila on route to Tokyo, two places I haven't visited in SEA. I eliminated Macau as the options (saunas) seemed expensive assuming 3-4 sessions over 3 days. I have 3-4 days to explore options and really don't want to waste time.

1) From reading threads on both cities Jakarta seems to have more options. Bats, CJ, Maliboro, Alexis, Travel etc.

2) Novotel in North Jakarta seems ideally placed. Any other options in 4-5 stars around 100 $?

Jakarta seems similar to mongering options in BKK. Would appreciate inputs and any insights from members who have explored both destinations.

Cheers

[QUOTE=OsakaGin11;1673881]For my first ever visit to Jakarta in mid February I am looking at staying two nights at Favehotel Pasar Baru which I believe is in central Jakarta and while I have RTFF, I am still struggling getting a handle on Jakarta geographically and where is the best area / hotel to stay in.

1. Is the hotel gal friendly?

2. What are the closet clubs or bars that would be worth a visit in the nearby area?

3. How far in taxi time in the evening would it be areas such as CJ's or Bats, Blok M or clubs such Malioboro?

4. Is there anyone on this forum who could recommend it as a hotel to stay?

Any information to any of my above queries would be gratefully accepted.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I generally agree with what Smoothy said although probably would say it is close to, not in, the various red light districts in North Jakarta. It is near Classic, fairly convenient to Malioboro, Travel, the places near Lokasari Plaza, as well as the Penjay establishments, but quite a distance from Block M, which may not be as important late at night when the traffic is light (maybe 20 to 30 minutes then), but could be a problem at other times. I'm guessing CJ's would take just a little less time than getting to Blok M although I haven't visited it so don't know exactly. BATS would be a little closer but still not so close.

Myself I would spend a bit more and stay at one of the two Mercure's, the one in Kota being the less expensive. They are both in or at least near North Jakarta (the Kota one being perhaps 1/2 to 1 mile further north than the Mercure Harmoni), and pretty much at the geographical center of the various places you might visit in North Jakarta. Also, while still a distance from Blok M, they are both on the main road that is a straight shoot to Blok M. So, if you are really looking to save some money, the Fave, which I have never stayed at but have walked by, would be acceptable, but if saving money is not the primary concern, you might want to consider one of the two Mercure's that I have mentioned both because they are likely more comfortable, and also because they are IMHO at better locations. I am sure though others may have other suggestions.

I don't know about gal friendliness, but generally the P4P places in North Jakarta are on-site places, whereas CJs, BATS and most of the Blok M places are take out. So although it would be best to stay at a gal friendly hotel, which most in Jakarta are, if you spend most of your time in North Jakarta it may not matter so much.

I stayed in Millenium hotel which is considered central, it's slightly north of Plaza Indonesia, so it's equidistant to North and Senayan (Blok M / CJ's). Very nice hotel, no problem brining girls, less than 50 dollars per night. Harris in Plaza FX in Senayan also girl friendly, got a room on top floor 47 or 57 can't remember, great views. I never checked with these hotels if they were girlfriendly head of my arrival and I never had any problems; I assume all hotels are that way.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1673955]Fave is in north Jakarta basically in the red light district. Nothing charming about that area, but you can walk to Hotel Classic from that Fave Hotel. It's far from Blok M, Bats or CJs, but close to Malioboro. If you are not so interested in bringing back free lancers from Blok M, and want to spend most of your time in brothels like Malio and Classic, it's great. It's cheap as hell, so if that's your price range, that's as good a choice as any.[/QUOTE]Thanks very much to Messers Smoothy, LA Guy and Sean EZ for your very helpful advice and information. I can assure you its very much appreciated.

[QUOTE=OsakaGin11;1674063]Thanks very much to Messers Smoothy, LA Guy and Sean EZ for your very helpful advice and information. I can assure you its very much appreciated.[/QUOTE]I stayed overnight at the Fave, Pasar Baru but ONLY because I had a very early train to catch from Gambir Station. I seem to remember that the breakfast was served in the garage basement (could have been another Fave). I don't think the staff could speak much English, so you may face an issue as a first timer.

I would follow Smoothy/LA Guy's advice and look for something similar on a major thoroughfare. From the Fave you'll end up spending more money on taksis and motorbike taksi than you would if you'd chosen somewhere more strategic for 100 k more. If you are going to be walking about or sightseeing why not look at one of the 15 or so hotels on Jl. Wahid Hasyim in Menteng they provide a much better location if you are doing daytime mongering dates, BAts/CJs and English is more commonly used in these hotels

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1673999]I stayed in Millenium hotel which is considered central, it's slightly north of Plaza Indonesia, so it's equidistant to North and Senayan (Blok M / CJ's). Very nice hotel, no problem brining girls, less than 50 dollars per night. [/QUOTE]That's an excellent suggestion that I had never thought about and I am pleasantly surprised at the price. A respectable business hotel located in a strategic location (with an excellent Japanese restaurant too if I'm not mistaken) and a very reasonable price.

Ticks all the boxes, that just might assist me in making arrangements in the very near future given that I hope to be meeting a very respectable business lady in Sudirman for an afternoon appointment and Blok M cheap and easies wouldn't quite be her style and I don't fancy the long hike out to Kemang or pay through the nose for a room in the Shangri-La or the like for a room I will only be using for a few hours.

Thanks.

The Millennium in Jakarta is the worst Millennium I've seen anywhere in the world. That is normally a 5 star hotel in any other country. I was just at the one in Bangkok last week and there is no comparison between the two. That being said, it's way nicer than the Fave Hotel at only a little over double the price.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1674421]The Millennium in Jakarta is the worst Millennium I've seen anywhere in the world. That is normally a 5 star hotel in any other country. I was just at the one in Bangkok last week and there is no comparison between the two. That being said, it's way nicer than the Fave Hotel at only a little over double the price.[/QUOTE]It's certainly not in the top echelon of star-rated Jakarta hotels and is often overlooked (by myself included) but I think that's its big bonus point, who the hell is going to see you there? And with its location and reasonable price (actually around USD65 according to Agoda) it's certainly one worth bearing in mind when one is pursuing freebies from office and business ladies working in the CBD who aren't my usual low-hanging Blok M fruit.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1674703]It's certainly not in the top echelon of star-rated Jakarta hotels and is often overlooked (by myself included) but I think that's its big bonus point, who the hell is going to see you there? And with its location and reasonable price (actually around USD65 according to Agoda) it's certainly one worth bearing in mind when one is pursuing freebies from office and business ladies working in the CBD who aren't my usual low-hanging Blok M fruit.[/QUOTE]Yes, the Millenium is definitely good value for money. I have stayed there before.

If being seen is an issue, and this is my favorite hotel in central Jakarta. Try the Akmani. It is in short walking distance of Sarinah and the best thing is, you can access the hotel at street level via the car park. That is a normal thing to do there, entering via the carpark, as it has a huge staircase to the lobby to climb. Most girls in Jakarta know Sarinah, very easy meeting up there at one of the coffee shops. I have done that many times, mostly online dating.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1673999]I stayed in Millenium hotel which is considered central, it's slightly north of Plaza Indonesia, so it's equidistant to North and Senayan (Blok M / CJ's). Very nice hotel, no problem brining girls, less than 50 dollars per night. Harris in Plaza FX in Senayan also girl friendly, got a room on top floor 47 or 57 can't remember, great views. I never checked with these hotels if they were girlfriendly head of my arrival and I never had any problems; I assume all hotels are that way.[/QUOTE]Most hotels are girl friendly and don't have any issues; that being said, there are Syariah based hotels around town (Sofyan chain being one of them). Don't assume if you don't know. If you stick to Western sounding names, you're probably safe though. I agree with Tommy regarding Akmani. It's easy enough to walk in through the car park and take the lift straight up to the room and avoid the lobby. I've done this often enough the several times I've stayed there.

MD II.

First, thank for all your feedback to my first question. Boots up in two weeks, and will be in town for ten days. Starting at the Mercure Kota for six nights, and then may stay at the Mellenium or somewhere else central. I will wait to book.

Now packing, and a silly question I cannot find. In the PI and LOS, you find laundry places everywhere that are cheap and fast. Is it the same in Jakarta (and then in Bandung? That will affect my packing a bit. I am a bit of a committed workout nut, and like to change clothes a good deal after getting sweaty in the heat anyhow, so want to get a sense of how much I will need to pack.

Oh, and if you know a book place near the Mercure Kota, let me know. If anyone is in town from the 12th of Feb to about the 21st, and would like to share a meal or mongering experience, or hit a "normal" club, I am all for it.

[QUOTE=Psychman;1674970]First, thank for all your feedback to my first question. Boots up in two weeks, and will be in town for ten days. Starting at the Mercure Kota for six nights, and then may stay at the Mellenium or somewhere else central. I will wait to book.

Now packing, and a silly question I cannot find. In the PI and LOS, you find laundry places everywhere that are cheap and fast. Is it the same in Jakarta (and then in Bandung? That will affect my packing a bit. I am a bit of a committed workout nut, and like to change clothes a good deal after getting sweaty in the heat anyhow, so want to get a sense of how much I will need to pack.

Oh, and if you know a book place near the Mercure Kota, let me know. If anyone is in town from the 12th of Feb to about the 21st, and would like to share a meal or mongering experience, or hit a "normal" club, I am all for it.[/QUOTE]The laundry situation in Jakarta is more difficult generally than in Bangkok, for example. Although you may run into a laundry--and they are not as easy to find as in Bangkok--many will not speak any English and will not be used to dealing with foreigners. This makes knowing when the laundry would be ready, etc. , virtually impossible. At some of the malls, for example Plaza Indonesia, there will be dry cleaners, but they generally do not turn things around overnight, and they are not much cheaper, if cheaper at all, than a dry cleaner in the States, particularly because they will dry clean everything, including socks. When I stayed in North Jakarta, one of the hotel lounge staff would bring my laundry to some place off-site, but that was only after I had become a regular and he would therefore do that favor for me.

So, for Jakarta I ended up buying a lot of ex officio clothing, since they are designed to dry quickly after being washed in a sink or bathtub. And when I need to use "regular clothing," I resort to dry cleaners. But if someone here has better options, I'd love to hear them.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1675057]The laundry situation in Jakarta is more difficult generally than in Bangkok, for example. Although you may run into a laundry--and they are not as easy to find as in Bangkok--many will not speak any English and will not be used to dealing with foreigners. This makes knowing when the laundry would be ready, etc. , virtually impossible. At some of the malls, for example Plaza Indonesia, there will be dry cleaners, but they generally do not turn things around overnight, and they are not much cheaper, if cheaper at all, than a dry cleaner in the States, particularly because they will dry clean everything, including socks. When I stayed in North Jakarta, one of the hotel lounge staff would bring my laundry to some place off-site, but that was only after I had become a regular and he would therefore do that favor for me.

So, for Jakarta I ended up buying a lot of ex officio clothing, since they are designed to dry quickly after being washed in a sink or bathtub. And when I need to use "regular clothing," I resort to dry cleaners. But if someone here has better options, I'd love to hear them.[/QUOTE]I always use the hotel laundry service. Not too expensive and next day return of your clothing. Beats searching for a laundry service and your stuff gets returned to your room.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1675074]I always use the hotel laundry service. Not too expensive and next day return of your clothing. Beats searching for a laundry service and your stuff gets returned to your room.[/QUOTE]That might well work at many of the four-star and less hotels, like the Mercure Kota, and since it looks like Psychman is going to stay there it may be the best option. At the five-stars, like the Grand Hyatt, the hotel laundry service is ridiculously expensive. From what you are saying, it would seem the more moderately priced hotels are also moderately priced on laundry service.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1675079]That might well work at many of the four-star and less hotels, like the Mercure Kota, and since it looks like Psychman is going to stay there it may be the best option. At the five-stars, like the Grand Hyatt, the hotel laundry service is ridiculously expensive. From what you are saying, it would seem the more moderately priced hotels are also moderately priced on laundry service.[/QUOTE]My experience is in Atlet Century, Ibis Slipi, Ambhara, Harris FX and I'm forgetting a few. That's 3 - 4 star, so I guess you're right on that point. In my opinion it's not only laundry that's ridiculously expensive in 5-star hotels, so I don't stay there.

Thanks for the input about laundry. I sometimes also travel with old, throw away t shirts and other stuff (I. E. For work outs), so this seems to be a perfect time to get rid of such stuff.

Thanks!

Since this is not a hotel thread this will be my last post on this subject I entered Shangri La on my way to BATS and it looked tired. Same in India I paid 200 per night, on business trip 5 star hotel, and I would have preferred to have stayed in a modern BKK hotel for 70 a night. That's why I wouldn't stay at a 5 star in Jakarta. Milennium is perfectly fine, yes you don't get glass door shower and marble finish but the rooms are clean, the bed is big and pillows are comfortable, and staff are really nice (same as in Harris). Laundry is pain in the ass you have to itemize items on the form, but I didn't think it was expensive and I like my shirts ironed on hangers. AirBnb might be a good alternative but I like my room service.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1675057]The laundry situation in Jakarta is more difficult generally than in Bangkok, for example. Although you may run into a laundry--and they are not as easy to find as in Bangkok--many will not speak any English and will not be used to dealing with foreigners. This makes knowing when the laundry would be ready, etc. , virtually impossible. <SNIP> [/QUOTE]I think this is a slightly strange post regarding communication.

Bahasa Indonesia ("Indonesian language") is not a very difficult language to master at a basic level. Advanced Indonesian is a completely different story, but can be ignored here. With a basic vocabulary of a few hundred words (and having a small dictionary at hand) you can come very far in Indonesia. People will forgive your appalling grammar, because they appreciate the simple fact that you try, and they will understand what you are trying to communicate faster than you think. When you are in another country I think it is a matter of courtesy to at least try to speak the local language and not expect everybody to be fluent in English. They are in their own country, after all.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1675118]I think this is a slightly strange post regarding communication.

Bahasa Indonesia ("Indonesian language") is not a very difficult language to master at a basic level. Advanced Indonesian is a completely different story, but can be ignored here. With a basic vocabulary of a few hundred words (and having a small dictionary at hand) you can come very far in Indonesia. People will forgive your appalling grammar, because they appreciate the simple fact that you try, and they will understand what you are trying to communicate faster than you think. When you are in another country I think it is a matter of courtesy to at least try to speak the local language and not expect everybody to be fluent in English. They are in their own country, after all.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]Psychman said he was a Jakarta newbie and it seems he will be in Jakarta for only a few days. I suppose you think he should master Bahasa Indonesia to a basic level for his short trip and learn a few hundred words. I don't, and actually find your reaction to my post more than slightly strange. Sure, learn the very basic language courtesies, even for a short trip, but given how important it is to, for example, get one's laundry back before one leaves town, I don't think it is unreasonable at all, or "slightly strange" to suggest there may be communication problems at the laundries that might not make them a good option for a newbie visitor.

And, by the way, there was nothing in my post to suggest even remotely I thought a visitor to Indonesia should expect everyone to be fluent in English.

Hello folks,

After reading lot of threads here and advise from some senior friends I want to experience Jakarta. So leaving Jakarta this March. This will be my first mongering experience and have selected below places.

Karthika spa for Body to body massage.

Classic for Threesome.

Have read in some threads that girls in Karthika are not good, how is the situation now and what are the charges. Also among Maribaya and classic which is good it must be budget friendly too. I am concerned about STD / infections so would like to know if girls in these places are healthy or they are pros?

[QUOTE=Omerta;1677380]Hello folks,


Have read in some threads that girls in Karthika are not good, how is the situation now and what are the charges. Also among Maribaya and classic which is good it must be budget friendly too. I am concerned about STD / infections so would like to know if girls in these places are healthy or they are pros?[/QUOTE]First time visit to Jakarta and he decides the thing that he wants most of all is, of all things, a massage in Kartika, but he's worried the girls might not be any good. I mean, WTF? The great smorgasboard of sex that is Jakarta and he opts for a massage in a grotty back street in West Jakarta even though he's heard the girls aren't actually any good, talk about setting your sights low.

But wait, it gets better, he would like to go to a brothel that doesn't have any pros in it. You know the sort of place that only provides fresh virgins up from the country with certified health checks catering especially for first time visitors, and all within a limited budget too.

God help us all, some people really shouldn't be let out on their own.

Mate, do yourself a favour and stay at home, there's plenty of porn on the internet to keep you satisfied, it's free and you won't catch any nasty diseases.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1677714]First time visit to Jakarta and he decides the thing that he wants most of all is, of all things, a massage in Kartika, but he's worried the girls might not be any good. I mean, WTF? The great smorgasboard of sex that is Jakarta and he opts for a massage in a grotty back street in West Jakarta even though he's heard the girls aren't actually any good, talk about setting your sights low.

But wait, it gets better, he would like to go to a brothel that doesn't have any pros in it. You know the sort of place that only provides fresh virgins up from the country with certified health checks catering especially for first time visitors, and all within a limited budget too.

God help us all, some people really shouldn't be let out on their own.

Mate, do yourself a favour and stay at home, there's plenty of porn on the internet to keep you satisfied, it's free and you won't catch any nasty diseases.[/QUOTE]Hilo, with all due respect, I feel that your report is unnecessarily nasty. The poster is a newbie who had actually taken the time to RTFF and read the board, and he zeroed in on two massage places that match what he's looking for, and instead of helping the newbie (or ignoring him), you make fun of him. Why?

For what it's worth, I'm a big fan of the Kartika Spa as they are the only reliable body-to-body nuru spa place in Jakarta. And most if not all ladies at Kartika will use a condom, and if you have a 2-girl session (highly recommended for under US $75 total tip included) the girls may change condoms when you change girls.

And maybe Classic is the type of place he's looking for as well. Some posters love barely-legal girls even if they are starfish. Not my choice, but each to his own.

[QUOTE=Omerta;1677380]Hello folks,

After reading lot of threads here and advise from some senior friends I want to experience Jakarta. So leaving Jakarta this March. This will be my first mongering experience and have selected below places.

Karthika spa for Body to body massage.

Classic for Threesome.

Have read in some threads that girls in Karthika are not good, how is the situation now and what are the charges. Also among Maribaya and classic which is good it must be budget friendly too. I am concerned about STD / infections so would like to know if girls in these places are healthy or they are pros?[/QUOTE]To Omerta.

That is all depend what are you looking for if you want good service from older and average girl then go to Kartika or Maribaya, if you want good looking younger girl go to Classic and hotel travel it is hit and miss here on service, I was in Kartika a few month ago girl are average at best this place is going down hill fast I have not pick a girl here in 2 year.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;1677761]Hilo, with all due respect, I feel that your report is unnecessarily nasty. The poster is a newbie who had actually taken the time to RTFF and read the board, and he zeroed in on two massage places that match what he's looking for, and instead of helping the newbie (or ignoring him), you make fun of him. Why?

[/QUOTE]He's looking for a brothel that doesn't have pros and he doesn't want to be charged too much for the privilege.

And you have to ask why I mock him?

You and others seem very concerned to assist this dufus, hey knock yourselves out, I've wasted enough time and keyboard tapping on him.

I simply await with bated breath his full field report which should be comic gold and would be fair reward for your efforts at helping him.

However, I suspect field report will come there none.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1678085]He's looking for a brothel that doesn't have pros and he doesn't want to be charged too much for the privilege.[/QUOTE]I am looking for a brothel that has all gorgeous 18 year old virgins and they pay me to allow them to service me. After much research, I am hoping to find that at Kartika. I'll try tomorrow and let you know the results.

Well, I went to Kartika. As far as I could tell, none of the girls were even close to 18 years old, much closer to 30. The best I saw was a girl I'd rate at about a 5 on a scale of 1 to 10 (then again, that's always subjective, isn't it?) I may be mistaken, but all of them seemed to be hard core hookers who had been on the game a good while, not virgins. They were very aggressive as soon as I walked in the door. I had to push through them to get to the bar and order a drink. I then took my time and tried to find my gem. I asked if there were any 18 year old virgins there and the girls and staff laughed. I've found though that Indonesians love to laugh, so that could mean either yes or no. I decided to wait a while to see if any top honeys would come down after a session. (not a sex session of course, because I am looking for virgin, non pros) I am not saying there weren't any, because I may have just been unlucky with the timing of my visit. However, I didn't find any there who met my criteria, so I headed elsewhere.

Bottom line: On this occasion, my attempt at finding gorgeous 18 year old virgins who would pay me for the privilege of servicing me was a rousing failure.

But I would still recommend that every guy tries a soapy sandwich there at least once. The girls may not be gorgeous and they may be far from virgins, but that 2 girl sandwich there is a unique experience.

I appreciate your reports, gentlemen, especially that of Sean EZ (#9265, below). Perhaps if I read far enough back in this thread I'll be able to find address of some of the places named.

Thanks also to those who have posted photographs of Indonesian women in this thread. I'm wondering if those of you who have been there think the photographs in the last few pages of this thread are typical of women I'd find in Jakarta if I make a trip there.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1675087]Same in India I paid 200 per night, on business trip 5 star hotel, and I would have preferred to have stayed in a modern BKK hotel for 70 a night. That's why I wouldn't stay at a 5 star in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]I recently stayed at the JW Marriott in Jakarta for $130 a night, then at the JW Marriott in Bangkok for $170 a night. I preferred the one in Jakarta. You think there is a $70 a night hotel in Bangkok that is nicer than the Shangri-La in Jakarta? Not likely.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1669117]I just spend two weekends in Jakarta. .... Overall not very impressed with quality. Malls .... As far as girls, you are not in LA or Miami, you will walk a mile before seeing a hot girl. That's my opinion of course. Normal clubs .... Your best bet to start the night is Potato Head lounge .... These are highest end places, but I can't say that these high end girls are much better quality than elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Do others share this gentleman's unflattering view of the attractiveness of women in Jakarta?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1679434]I recently stayed at the JW Marriott in Jakarta for $130 a night, then at the JW Marriott in Bangkok for $170 a night. I preferred the one in Jakarta. You think there is a $70 a night hotel in Bangkok that is nicer than the Shangri-La in Jakarta? Not likely.[/QUOTE]That was an unusually low price for the JW Marriott in Jakarta. I have stayed there, paid closer to $200 a night, and did not particularly care for it; it is barely a five-star property, if that IMHO. In my experience, the five-star hotels in Jakarta are overpriced (often in the $250 to $350 a night range) and many of them have seen better days. In contrast, the five-stars in Bangkok can be real deals, and it is not unusual to pay between $100 and $140 a night at some of the good ones (but not all of them).

I suspect the difference between the two cities in this regard reflects that Jakarta attracts a lot of foreign business people on business and does not have an overabundance of quality hotels; in contrast, Bangkok seems to attract primarily tourists (without expense accounts paying for their trips) and conferences (with participants often on limited expense accounts) and is saturated, maybe even over-saturated, with fine hotels competing for the tourist dollar (or Euro).

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;1679628]Do others share this gentleman's unflattering view of the attractiveness of women in Jakarta?[/QUOTE]No, I don't.

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;1679628]Do others share this gentleman's unflattering view of the attractiveness of women in Jakarta?[/QUOTE]No. I rank Jakarta girls very high. I find them to be very attractive and on average as good looking as Thai girls and better looking than Filipinas. In bed I found them to be very passionate and almost as GFE as Filipinas. I just wish I spoke their lingo.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1679735]That was an unusually low price for the JW Marriott in Jakarta. I have stayed there, paid closer to $200 a night, and did not particularly care for it; it is barely a five-star property, if that IMHO. In my experience, the five-star hotels in Jakarta are overpriced (often in the $250 to $350 a night range) and many of them have seen better days. In contrast, the five-stars in Bangkok can be real deals, and it is not unusual to pay between $100 and $140 a night at some of the good ones (but not all of them).

I suspect the difference between the two cities in this regard reflects that Jakarta attracts a lot of foreign business people on business and does not have an overabundance of quality hotels; in contrast, Bangkok seems to attract primarily tourists (without expense accounts paying for their trips) and conferences (with participants often on limited expense accounts) and is saturated, maybe even over-saturated, with fine hotels competing for the tourist dollar (or Euro).[/QUOTE]I just did an agoda search on JW Marriott in Jakarta and in Bangkok for this weekend. In Jakarta, it's 150 a night, in Bangkok it's 190 a night. The Kempinski in Jakarta is also listed at 150 a night that night and it absolutely blows away the JW Marriott in Bangkok. I don't find the 5 star hotels in Bangkok to be all that cheap. I think the main hotels that are overpriced in Jakarta are the Mulia, Shangri-La, Dharmawangsa, Grand Hyatt, and Mandarin. There are a lot of good deals in Jakarta on 5 star hotels.

Here are some prices of 5 star hotels in Jakarta that night.

Sahid Jaya - $54.

Aryaduta - $68.

Gran Melia - $116.

Kempinski - $150.

Manhattan - $73.

Borobadur - $81.

Oakwood - $133.

Intercontinental - $134.

JW Marriott - $150.

Park Lane - $90.

Some of those on the list like the Aryaduta have seen better days, but they are still a great deal at those prices.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1669117]As far as girls, you are not in LA or Miami, you will walk a mile before seeing a hot girl. That's my opinion of course.[/QUOTE]At least you aren't in India where you could walk a thousand miles without seeing a hot girl (unless you turn on the TV and watch a Hindi movie).

I have always said that you don't find 10's in Jakarta. If you want 10's, go to Venezuela. But the abundance of cute, shaggable girls in Indonesia is remarkable.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1679779]I just did an agoda search on JW Marriott in Jakarta and in Bangkok for this weekend. In Jakarta, it's 150 a night, in Bangkok it's 190 a night. The Kempinski in Jakarta is also listed at 150 a night that night and it absolutely blows away the JW Marriott in Bangkok. I don't find the 5 star hotels in Bangkok to be all that cheap. I think the main hotels that are overpriced in Jakarta are the Mulia, Shangri-La, Dharmawangsa, Grand Hyatt, and Mandarin. There are a lot of good deals in Jakarta on 5 star hotels.

Here are some prices of 5 star hotels in Jakarta that night.

Sahid Jaya - $54.

Aryaduta - $68.

Gran Melia - $116.

Kempinski - $150.

Manhattan - $73.

Borobadur - $81.

Oakwood - $133.

Intercontinental - $134

JW Marriott - $150

Park Lane - $90.

Some of those on the list like the Aryaduta have seen better days, but they are still a great deal at those prices.[/QUOTE]Because the better Jakarta hotels cater to people in town on business (as noted earlier), they discount their rates, often substantially, on weekends when the business crowd leaves town, so one would expect the weekend rates you cite to be quite reasonable. But if one is talking about true five-star hotels (as opposed to hotels that guests might give high ratings when taking into account bang for the buck) many on your list do not qualify in my book, nor in some of the travel websites. The true five-star hotels in Jakarta include IMHO those you list initially (as being overpriced) --Mulia, Shangri-La, Dharmawangsa, Grand Hyatt, and Mandarin--as well as Keraton at the Plaza, the Fairmont, the Four Seasons, Raffles, the two Ritz Carltons, the Kempinski and maybe the Hermitage. If one wants to know what five-star hotels cost in Jakarta, [I]their[/I] weeknight prices would be an indication.

I just checked the price for a room this Monday night for some of the hotels on your list: the Kempinski is $267 this Monday night in contrast to the $150 rate you saw for this weekend. And the Gran Melia was $145 for this Monday night, the JW Marriott $198, and the Intercontinental $229, all from the same website you consulted and substantially more expensive than their weekend rates. The true five-star hotels will usually be more than these rates, with the exception of the Kempinski's.

Having stayed at three of the hotels on the five-star list I just gave, all three were better significantly than the JW Marriott in Jakarta, and much much better than the Intercontinental, which I had a terrible stay at. On the other hand I'm not a great fan of the JW Marriott in Bangkok although it is convenient to Nana, which I suspect is one of the reasons they can charge what they do. But I have noticed the hotel prices at the better hotels in Bangkok seem to have gotten higher in the last six months, at least among those I favor and/or follow their pricing, so the days of paying in Bangkok around half of what I pay in Jakarta for a true five-star hotel room might be coming to a close although this remains to be seen.

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;1679628]Do others share this gentleman's unflattering view of the attractiveness of women in Jakarta?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1679766]No. I rank Jakarta girls very high. I find them to be very attractive and on average as good looking as Thai girls and better looking than Filipinas. In bed I found them to be very passionate and almost as GFE as Filipinas. I just wish I spoke their lingo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1679782]At least you aren't in India where you could walk a thousand miles without seeing a hot girl (unless you turn on the TV and watch a Hindi movie).
I have always said that you don't find 10's in Jakarta. If you want 10's, go to Venezuela. But the abundance of cute, shaggable girls in Indonesia is remarkable.[/QUOTE]Param, IMHO SeanEZ is in a distinct minority in his negative views of Jakarta women, and the majority of posters here would agree with Smoothy's and Natty Bumpo's comments. I myself love Jakarta women and look forward to my next visit there!

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;1679628]Do others share this gentleman's unflattering view of the attractiveness of women in Jakarta?[/QUOTE]No. It was quite the most absurd statement I have read on this forum. Some of the most beautiful and sweetest-natured women on planet Earth are to be found in this steaming, stinking messed-up metropolis.

Jakarta is a dreadful city in every respect except one, and that is the sheer abundance and quality of lovely,sexy, friendly and fun women.

And for that one reason I wouldn't live anywhere else.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1679782]
I have always said that you don't find 10's in Jakarta. If you want 10's, go to Venezuela. But the abundance of cute, shaggable girls in Indonesia is remarkable.[/QUOTE]Spot on.

The only "10's" I have dated in SE Asia (and these things are of course relative) were in Thailand, absolute stunners but they stood out a mile from the regular Thai girl who is somewhat run-of-the-mill.

In Jakarta on the other hand you might not meet a stunner at all, unless you hang out with the "sinetron" crowd, but just walking down any street you will see dozens of girls who are "7's" and who are dressed simply in jeans and t-shirts, with terrific figures and sweet faces who are extremely approachable and easy-going.

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;1679628]Do others share this gentleman's unflattering view of the attractiveness of women in Jakarta?[/QUOTE]Nope.

I found many attractive women. I guess this could be chalked up to the very subjective nature of "attractive".

I'm writing this with the experiences of two as my wingman isn't a member. I also did a separate report on Bali in that forum. Check my past posts if you want to read it.

Arrival: Fist I want to say thanks again to the forum members who helped me with the airport logistics.

I got in around 12:30 am. VOA and immigration and claiming my bags was a breeze. Since I got in late I was unable to rendezvous with my wingman. Having RTFF I told him when he landed to catch a blue bird. However he didn't listen and caught a ride with some fella. He then arranged for this fella to go to the airport to pick me up. I exit the airport and there the dude was holding up my name. Total damage from the airport to blok M was around $30 USD. Yeah I could have just walked on by the guy but I didn't realize he wasn't metered until after I got in the taxi. Also he recognized me right away since I look unique. I guess I just didn't want to be rude.

Accommodations: Ironic how I'm writing my report as you all are having a 5 star hotel debate. Well we really don't care to much for fancy hotels. Give me clean, WiFi, a safe, working bathroom, comfy bed and I'm fine. We initially stayed at the Fave. Now I think I must mention a funny situation that occurred. I booked about two nights on Agoda and got a great deal. Upon arriving at the hotel they said I had to pay for my room. When I told them I already paid on Agoda. They said Agoda told them they cancelled the reservation due to fraud and my card was never charged. I say fine and go to pay the same amount I paid on Agoda. They replied that the rooms they have are more expensive now. I show him the email with the price I got the room for. Now I don't know how true this is but the clerk says he thinks Agoda fucked up and gave be a rate that was too cheap. Instead of eating the cost they simply sad "fraud" and cancelled my reservation. Far too many scenarios to try to figure out exactly what happened but I just wanted to share that. Luckily they had rooms available and the price difference wasn't too great. However I would hate for someone to really get burned this way do always double check before your trip.

Eventually we left blok M and stayed at the POP! Hotel in Kemang. I liked this place. The hotel was at most a year or two old. The decor is minimal, modern, very bright and full of vibrant colors.

Girls girls liked this place. The only thing I didn't like was the fact that the rooms didn't have phones. Yeah I could simply call my m8 on his cell phone but I usually throw my cell phone in the safe when I have overnight company so having the room phone comes in handy.

Ambiance:

Kemang Blok M.

-Traffic. Holy fucking shit this city has a lot traffic. The only time I saw it let up was late and [URL]night.Com[/URL]pared to other capitals I have been in you really have plan around the traffic if you need to be somewhere at a certain time. Wingman and I both got hit with hefty meter bill and being when meeting up for our respective dates. Oh and pray your taximan does not take a wrong turn. I think they need some better city planing or something.

-Malls are all over the place and they are huge. I wonder who is doing all of this shopping? MAny of the locals I met complain about the malls vs green space. They also complain about them continuing to build. I guess its a shoppers paradise. I will say I did do a fair amount of shopping in the so I won't poo poo all over the malls.

-Scenery was typical of any major city. Not nothing to write home about.

-The people. In general they were cool. They were helpful when I asked a question & I had no issues with anyone. Of course I got stares because I'm a bule with dark skin but its to be expected.

Being a majority Muslim country I wasn't sure what I would find. From what I could see they are more relaxed than their cousins in the middle east. I guess that general SE Asian culture permeates and leaves its stamp.

Girls: This is the part you all have been waiting for. To let you all know we tend to pick up Flers. We try to avoid massage parlors, mamasans, papasans. Hats off to you fellas who like that. Its just not our thing. The very first night we went to grab some food around Blok M. We met two girls hanging out. One was 23 and on the slim side; which is right down my alley. Her friend was less attractive to me so I kinda ignored her. Another girl showed up not too long after who was a 10. My friend told me the night before (he arrived before me) he chatted with her and she would budge from 1 million. So this night he was armed with me and decided to use bargaining power and peer pressure. I had literally just gotten off a 22 hour flight 2 hours before and wanted to rest but decide. Alas I'm already here and out of the hotel, in for a penny in for a pound. My friend tells skinny girl I will take her for 500 K if she can get MS. Juta to go with him for 700 K. Well his plan worked. They agreed and off we went to get our Indonesia cherries popped. Post game wrap up we both enjoyed our sessions.

Over the next few days I met up with girls I met dating sites from beforehand. I had one success. I wouldn't call the other failures Its just that I needed more time. I still got way more action after a month being on the site in Indonesia than a whole year back home. Wingman didn't bother to lay (pun intended) any internet groundwork. However he (58) did manage to me a 27 year old Indo Chinese girl on a plane from Bali and set up a date a couple days later. Something that wouldn't happen in his wildest dreams in the states.

The rest of our mongering time was spent checking out a few clubs. We visited Nu China and a few other clubs on that street. Mostly a younger crowd in their 20's which is typical of any night club. Me being 39 and him being 58 I think we were aged out. Plenty of hot young girls there but it would take a little work. We went to BATS one night just to take a look. Plenty 10's but given the economic conditions; the starting price for company should be no where near what a girl back home are asking. The place itself seemed a tad pretentious so I guess they were just fitting in.

The area we ended up getting girls from was the "low end" Blok M. Most nights we got girls from there. Damage was between 300 k and 500 K. Of course beers and shit added to that. Did Top Gun a few times but found the music and smoke to be too obnoxious. It was too difficult to speak in there and constantly having to wash smoke out of clothes was a drag (pun intended yet again). The girls were fine however. One was actually quite exceptional. After a session with one I woke up to her placing my penis squarely in her back door. I had never had a girl working or not shove me in her backdoor without me asking for it. That was a pleasant experience. My bar seemed to get jumping around 2 pm. I met quite a few nice girls there and the music / smoke was less abrasive.

The times we didn't do the club thing we headed up north to classics. Sometimes its good to not have to hunt and be guaranteed a nice pretty young thing. Man this place is efficient. As soon as we walk in the mamasans are on your case with the little laser light pointing to girls. We ended up deciding when we went we would walk around in the middle to evade the mamasan drones. The plan worked for about 10 whole minutes. Once my buddy was captured and mated. I ran to the only mamasan free zone, the restroom. When I came out he was gone so I figure him and his female mate were tagged and caged for breeding.

While it can be annoying that they are that aggressive and they give you little opportunity to choose a girl it can be a bit refreshing. To be honest besides me saying no to a few girls because they were too chunky I had a good experience with each. And 350 K for a 7-10 hell even if I have a bad experience its so cheap I can get another without blinking. The last girl I was with was the only one to ask for ciggs and a soda. After I bought them she the asked for a tip. I just pointed to the ciggs and soda. I gave her a tip anyway. Another minor issue that isn't really their fault was that cell signal sucked in the rooms. This is only a problem because there went my google translate with it. None of the girls I was with spoke any English. It was pointing, eye contacts and Tarzan bahasa the whole time.

The only other place (I forget the name) we went to was a little local club we bumped into in north Jakarta. All the girls working there were in rep tops and wanted us to get drinks. Upon observation it seemed like the girls were just there to dance with guys and get them to buy drinks. I don't think they were there four out calls or in house action. After noticing this we paut our 200 K for two bintang and left.

Wrap up: OK my buddy and I came away with different opinions of Jakarta. He didn't enjoy himself much. He thought it was too difficult to find girls compared to Thailand and the city had too much sprawl. He thought the girls wee decent looking but not much different from Thailand either. I guess he thinks he would get a better bang for his buck there.

As for me I had a decent time. I think its kinda wrong to compare it to the most popular monger destination in SE Asia and think it would come close. I think it would be better to compare it to other capitals. When we do this I think it would have the same batting average. I also think when picking up regular girls time is definitely a factor. One can't really expect a regular girl to fuck you on the 1st date. Besides a working girl who does? Unless of course you spent a while talking to her online before. Just like other SE Asian countries there are plenty of good looking women open to screwing ya but the proper time must be invested. All in all I think plenty of fun can be had in Jakarta. I would rate my experience a 8 out of 10.

Sorry for typos, grammar and shit.

[QUOTE=WorldJockey;1680111]
Eventually we left blok M and stayed at the POP! Hotel in Kemang. I liked this place. The hotel was at most a year or two old. The decor is minimal, modern, very bright and full of vibrant colors.

Girls girls liked this place.[/QUOTE]I use that hotel as my late night (early morning) shagging spot when I don't want to bring the girl to my apartment. I can't imagine spending more than a couple of hours in those tiny rooms though. The girls who will like that place are Blok M girls because they live quite close to that hotel. If you aren't going to spend much time in your hotel, and want to pretty much stick to girls in Blok M, that one is a good choice. A BATS girl will not be thrilled by that hotel. Then again, you are paying for her services, so who is she to complain?

[QUOTE=WorldJockey;1680111]Another girl showed up not too long after who was a 10.

We went to BATS one night just to take a look. Plenty 10's [/QUOTE]Wow, 10's? Do you have any pictures of these 10's?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1680197]I use that hotel as my late night (early morning) shagging spot when I don't want to bring the girl to my apartment. I can't imagine spending more than a couple of hours in those tiny rooms though. The girls who will like that place are Blok M girls because they live quite close to that hotel. If you aren't going to spend much time in your hotel, and want to pretty much stick to girls in Blok M, that one is a good choice. A BATS girl will not be thrilled by that hotel. Then again, you are paying for her services, so who is she to complain?[/QUOTE]I'm sure the novelty would rub off after a week or so but it definitely eye popping when first walking in unlike other hotels in the same star range.

As for pics number I spend all of 15 min in BATS and didn't pick up and girls from there. As for the 10 my buddy picked up off the street. I dunno if he got a pic of her.

I believe now is not the ideal time to be in North Jakarta. I just received pictures from [URL]WhatsNewJakarta.com[/URL] and they show amongst others streets filled with water South of Monas, Kelapa Gading streets submerged, an unfortunate bloke with only the handlebars of his motorbike above water, etc.

No matter how much I miss Jakarta, this part of Jakarta life I can do without. As for Kelapa Gading: things will get worse the coming years before they improve again.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=WorldJockey;1680232]As for the 10 my buddy picked up off the street. I dunno if he got a pic of her.[/QUOTE]No worries. I just think you may be throwing the 10 rating around a little frivolously. In all my years in Jakarta, I've never seen a 10. Let alone, a 10 in the street of Blok M.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1680396]I believe now is not the ideal time to be in North Jakarta. I just received pictures from [URL]WhatsNewJakarta.com[/URL] and they show amongst others streets filled with water South of Monas, Kelapa Gading streets submerged, an unfortunate bloke with only the handlebars of his motorbike above water, etc.

No matter how much I miss Jakarta, this part of Jakarta life I can do without. As for Kelapa Gading: things will get worse the coming years before they improve again.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]Ko.

I'm unable to see the pics you're referring to about the banjir in your link.

But what did catch my eye is the Working Girls Breakfast.

[URL]http://whatsnewjakarta.com/content/detail/658/Working-Girls-Group-at-BritChams-Professional-Women-Breakfast[/URL]

Is this the event where the girls talk about prices, tips for getting laid, who to avoid etc?

[QUOTE=WorldJockey;1680111]
One can't really expect a regular girl to fuck you on the 1st date. Besides a working girl who does? [/QUOTE]It's actually possible in Jakarta but only if you have a smattering of the language and a bit of chutzpah.

I remember twice pulling it off with girls on the Busway; time from first striking up conversation to climbing into bed, maximum 20 minutes. The first occasion I already had a room in the Melawai (classy joint) and I was going to Blok M on a Friday night. I just started chatting to a girl dressed in office wear, she was on the way home from work and was going to pick up a bus to Tanggerang or Depok or some such God's cursed place. I could tell she wasn't a working girl due to her dress and lack of make-up (the passion-killing granny bloomers she was wearing later confirmed that she had not originally intended to have sex with a strange man that night). That was fun and set me up in prime form for the rest of the evening.

The second was when I was asked by a pleasant young lady one afternoon if I needed a baby sitter as she had recently left her job and was looking for new employment, I took her number and told her I would ask my wife. As we pulled up at the Terminal we continued the conversation. I said I suspected that if she had no work she mustn't have any money, which she naturally confirmed (talk about shooting the proverbial fish), well I suggested that although I was pretty sure my wife didn't need any help, if she wanted some quick cash perhaps she could help me out. There was a faintly puzzled look on her face before she grasped what I was getting at, she hesitated and said maybe another time as she wasn't quite prepared, I assured her that I would take care of all the preparations there and then, she gave it some more thought and well, you can work out the rest. Having kept her number we made a few more rendezvous later before she got a regular job in Kemang.

Another time took just a little more effort but not much. I was in an internet cafe and saw a truly beautiful girl skype-ing, she was immaculately dressed and on a whim I wrote my contact details on a piece of paper, got up and paid and as I passed her desk dropped the paper on to it. Sure enough within a few hours we were sms-ing away like Billy Oh. She was studying architecture in Europe and was going back in a day or so, I suggested meeting the next day and when I brought the conversation around to the direction I wanted I almost blew it by suggesting monetary remuneration. She was quite offended so I dropped the topic straight away. Anyway next day I was at the gym in a hotel in South Jakarta (tip to other married men, gyms are great places to go to when you are pursuing this hobby, there is no suspicion when you come home after a few hours out all pink cheeked and freshly showered, just remember to make sure you drop your gym gear on the shower floor and stuff it in the bag though, as a freshly laundered set of clothes still folded in your bag will cause unnecessary trauma to domestic harmony). Anyway I got an sms from her, it turns out she was just across the street, I told her to meet me in the lobby in 20 minutes, while I changed and booked the room and bingo we were there. She was every bit as hot as I thought she would be and intelligent too, indeed one of my great regrets is that I never kept her details for when she came back from Europe.

So there you have it, an unemployed nanny, an office worker and a student from an upper-middle class family. I never struck like that in my days in Bangkok but I never had any proficiency in the Thai language so I couldn't expect to.

Just for the avoidance of any doubt the only similarities between me and George Clooney are our age and hair colour (and an apparent preference for sexy Muslim women, although in my case I ain't faking it).

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1680519]No worries. I just think you may be throwing the 10 rating around a little frivolously. In all my years in Jakarta, I've never seen a 10. Let alone, a 10 in the street of Blok M.[/QUOTE]Not even one of the My Bar calender girls?

[QUOTE=WorldJockey;1680111]










. I also think when picking up regular girls time is definitely a factor. One can't really expect a regular girl to fuck you on the 1st date. Unless of course you spent a while talking to her online before. Just like other SE Asian countries there are plenty of good looking women open to screwing ya but the proper time must be invested. All in all I think plenty of fun can be had in Jakarta.
.[/QUOTE]You are right that you it does require some investment but then there's nothing for nothing in this world.

I can remember Ade, a secretary who had big jugs on a very small frame. Would come to my hotel at lunch and dinner for some.

There was Luluk, another secretary who was just lovely from the first date, where we ended up half naked going down the hotel corridor, rushing to get to the room she's now happily married in northern Europe.

Uwoh, a very cute and adventurous student who I took travelling with me all over Asia.

Tanya, who had shown me her wares on cam before we met.

Setiah who was engaged but wanted some extra.

Wibitha from Buddha Bar.

And a few others whos names I've now forgotten.

All good happy fucks on a first date. It can be done. !

Thank you to those who responded to my question about attractiveness of women in Jakarta. Is it difficult to find young women in Jakarta who speak English?

[QUOTE=UsPete;1680528]Ko.

I'm unable to see the pics you're referring to about the banjir in your link.

But what did catch my eye is the Working Girls Breakfast.

[URL]http://whatsnewjakarta.com/content/detail/658/Working-Girls-Group-at-BritChams-Professional-Women-Breakfast[/URL]

Is this the event where the girls talk about prices, tips for getting laid, who to avoid etc?[/QUOTE]Possible, but I doubt it.

[QUOTE=WorldJockey;1680111] .... None of the girls I was with spoke any English. It was pointing, eye contacts and Tarzan bahasa the whole time. ....[/QUOTE]Have you other gentlemen in this forum who have been to Jakarta found this to be true? Need I learn a few phrases in the Indonesian language before boarding a flight to Jakarta?

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;1680945]Have you other gentlemen in this forum who have been to Jakarta found this to be true? Need I learn a few phrases in the Indonesian language before boarding a flight to Jakarta?[/QUOTE]Param, with the greatest of respect, you are worrying too much.

There are plenty of hot women in Jakarta, some can speak English some don't have a word of English but it doesn't stop them getting what they want or you getting what you want. You've read the forum and focused on one or two slightly negative aspects or statements in the vast tsunami of blokes telling you how bloody fantastic life is here. If you were a first timer asking dopey questions I wouldn't be telling you this and I know senior members like Smoothy quite rightly like to frighten off the sex tourists, but you're also a senior member and should know the ropes.

Don't sweat the small stuff mate, get on that plane, I guarantee you won't regret it.

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;1680945]Have you other gentlemen in this forum who have been to Jakarta found this to be true? Need I learn a few phrases in the Indonesian language before boarding a flight to Jakarta?[/QUOTE]As Hilo77 pointed out, you will be fine. Just go.

Yes this is anecdotal (like 90% of this board) but I found the girls in northern Jakarta to be lacking in English more than the ones in Central and South.

Other things to keep in mind is 1. This isn't 20 years ago. Google translate is your friend. If you really get into a bind whip that bad boy out.

2. Bahasa isn't a 10th as hard as say Thai. I was picking up simple words and phrases very easily. Study a bit; watch TV with Indonesian subtitles in your hotel room and you will pick up some basics.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1680697]You are right that you it does require some investment but then there's nothing for nothing in this world.

I can remember Ade, a secretary who had big jugs on a very small frame. Would come to my hotel at lunch and dinner for some.

There was Luluk, another secretary who was just lovely from the first date, where we ended up half naked going down the hotel corridor, rushing to get to the room she's now happily married in northern Europe.

Uwoh, a very cute and adventurous student who I took travelling with me all over Asia.

Tanya, who had shown me her wares on cam before we met.

Setiah who was engaged but wanted some extra.

Wibitha from Buddha Bar.

And a few others whos names I've now forgotten.

All good happy fucks on a first date. It can be done. ![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Hilo77;1680667]It's actually possible in Jakarta but only if you have a smattering of the language and a bit of chutzpah.

I remember twice pulling it off with girls on the Busway; time from first striking up conversation to climbing into bed, maximum 20 minutes. The first occasion I already had a room in the Melawai (classy joint) and I was going to Blok M on a Friday night. I just started chatting to a girl dressed in office wear, she was on the way home from work and was going to pick up a bus to Tanggerang or Depok or some such God's cursed place. I could tell she wasn't a working girl due to her dress and lack of make-up (the passion-killing granny bloomers she was wearing later confirmed that she had not originally intended to have sex with a strange man that night). That was fun and set me up in prime form for the rest of the evening.

The second was when I was asked by a pleasant young lady one afternoon if I needed a baby sitter as she had recently left her job and was looking for new employment, I took her number and told her I would ask my wife. As we pulled up at the Terminal we continued the conversation. I said I suspected that if she had no work she mustn't have any money, which she naturally confirmed (talk about shooting the proverbial fish), well I suggested that although I was pretty sure my wife didn't need any help, if she wanted some quick cash perhaps she could help me out. There was a faintly puzzled look on her face before she grasped what I was getting at, she hesitated and said maybe another time as she wasn't quite prepared, I assured her that I would take care of all the preparations there and then, she gave it some more thought and well, you can work out the rest. Having kept her number we made a few more rendezvous later before she got a regular job in Kemang...[/QUOTE]My heroes. Yeah You fellas are right it totally can be done. I witnessed my wingman do this very deed in Costa Rica. We were souvenir shopping one night and he was flirting with the cashier. I don't know if he was just her type, The display of buying a $500 wooden vase or just dumb luck but one thing let to another and he took her to dinner after she closed. I had no clue what transpired so went to check him in the morning. Sure enough he answered the door and said one sec. 5 minutes later him and her exit with her head hanging in shame when she saw me. Cats out the bag. One other person knows what ya did last night. So yeah I have been a witness.

I have never lucked out that way with a local. I have gotten lucky with other tourists tho. I guess that whole we are both pressed for time and know how this will end helps.

The only way I sometimes lucky out with working girls is by popping their professional. They never tell me but the inexperience usually shows and when I ask they say yeah. I believe them.

Oh and BTW Hilo77 Amal is a goddess. And I think Middle eastern women are the most beautiful on the planet. As Murphy's law would have it they are also the most under wraps. Hell its even hard to find decent porn with those women. Sigh.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1680519]No worries. I just think you may be throwing the 10 rating around a little frivolously. In all my years in Jakarta, I've never seen a 10. Let alone, a 10 in the street of Blok M.[/QUOTE]Gotcha. In what country / city have you seen many elusive dimes?

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1681040]Param, with the greatest of respect, you are worrying too much.

There are plenty of hot women in Jakarta, some can speak English some don't have a word of English[/QUOTE]And I'll add that it is, IMHO, the world's easiest language to learn for native English speakers however Hilo77's statement that you don't need to know a word of the language to get what you want is quite true. In addition the gals enjoy teaching you the keywords. Relax and have fun!

Well after much planning and thinking about an Indonesian monger experience, I arrived in Jakarta at 9. 00 pm from Melbourne, Australia via transit KL.

By the time I got to the Fave Hotel on Wahid on Hasyim, it was around 11.00 pm and after a quick shower and shave I got to the BATS club in the Shangra hotel around midnight.

After a quick walk and talk with several ladies who were quoting prices from 1. 5 million are to 2. 0 for a short time and a young lady wanting a gob smacking 3. 0 K for all night! . I finally settled on a busty 30 year old Sumutran native by the name of Rosella who I negotiated 1. 0 for a short time visit at my hotel.

She promised a good long BBBJ in negotiation at BATS but in reality at my hotel room it was quite average. However sex with her in many different positions was at least an 8 out of 10. None the less I wouldn't repeat.

I have one day and night in left Jakarta as I am flying out to Malang tomorrow morning and I thinking about what a good strategy would be to spend today and tonight mongering? I have been reading good reports in the forum about Maribaya Spa in Hotel Melawai on Blok M and I was just wondering if anyone has been there recently? What is best time to go there to see the maximum of gals? How much is the cost of massage and FS and does anyone have a gal there that could recommend for a one off "unforgettable" experience with good reputation for giving an awesome BBBJ?

If I don't go there I was looking at visiting Alexis or Classic Malioboro hotels. Which is the best value for money of the those 3 hotels?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=WorldJockey;1681074]
Yes this is anecdotal (like 90% of this board) but I found the girls in northern Jakarta to be lacking in English more than the ones in Central and South.[/QUOTE]Your perception is entirely correct, the north (where the main red-light districts are located) caters to the local trade, frequently Chinese, and locals like them fresh and unsullied.

The scene that bules would be familiar with in the south and central caters to expats and tourists so English is a requirement. Also the ladies that the bules are prepared to settle for are often older and more experienced. You pays your money and takes your choice.

[QUOTE=WorldJockey;1681074]
Oh and BTW Hilo77 Amal is a goddess. And I think Middle eastern women are the most beautiful on the planet. As Murphy's law would have it they are also the most under wraps. Hell its even hard to find decent porn with those women. Sigh.

[/QUOTE]Make your own mate, that's what I do.

[QUOTE=Waffles;1681132] In addition the gals enjoy teaching you the keywords. Relax and have fun![/QUOTE]Ah the famous long-haired dictionaries, where would we be without them?

When someone tells my wife that they are impressed by my Bahasa Indonesian skills (actually very basic and in no way sufficient to get by in business or professional life, but the very fact that a bule even bothers to try learning the language often evokes praise from local people), she replies that yes I took a BI course with Berlitz.

This is indeed true, I took an eight-hour course 10 years ago which gave me the basic grammar and vocabulary ("ada", "apa", "yang", "bagaimana" that sort of stuff) but it is years of negotiating, trying to make arrangements, clarifying directions and times etc with ladies of negotiable affections that honed my linguistic skills, such as they are.

The drawback is that when I come out with some Sundanese, Batawi or low Javanese word or expression my wife's eyebrows tend to lift somewhat as she wonders what part of the Berlitz curriculum I picked that up in.

[QUOTE=OsakaGin11;1681466]Well after much planning and thinking about an Indonesian monger experience, I arrived in Jakarta at 9. 00 pm from Melbourne, Australia via transit KL.

By the time I got to the Fave Hotel on Wahid on Hasyim, it was around 11.00 pm and after a quick shower and shave I got to the BATS club in the Shangra hotel around midnight.

After a quick walk and talk with several ladies who were quoting prices from 1. 5 million are to 2. 0 for a short time and a young lady wanting a gob smacking 3. 0 K for all night! . I finally settled on a busty 30 year old Sumutran native by the name of Rosella who I negotiated 1. 0 for a short time visit at my hotel.

She promised a good long BBBJ in negotiation at BATS but in reality at my hotel room it was quite average. However sex with her in many different positions was at least an 8 out of 10. None the less I wouldn't repeat.

I have one day and night in left Jakarta as I am flying out to Malang tomorrow morning and I thinking about what a good strategy would be to spend today and tonight mongering? I have been reading good reports in the forum about Maribaya Spa in Hotel Melawai on Blok M and I was just wondering if anyone has been there recently? What is best time to go there to see the maximum of gals? How much is the cost of massage and FS and does anyone have a gal there that could recommend for a one off "unforgettable" experience with good reputation for giving an awesome BBBJ?

If I don't go there I was looking at visiting Alexis or Classic Malioboro hotels. Which is the best value for money of the those 3 hotels?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Re: Maribaya Spa, the shift change is around 5 pm so that's when you'll find the most girls available (the shifts overlap). Don't worry about the day shift girls wanting to go home. For a paying customer, they'll gladly stay the extra hour. If you stop by Maribaya after 9 pm the pickings might be slim.

Of the 3 hotels you mentioned, IMHO Malioboro is the best value-for-money. Alexis is a bit more pricey, while Classic is lower-priced but more hit-or-miss, as you might end up with a young hottie but you may also end up with a young starfish.

P.S. I'm happy to read that you did not patronize the girl who wanted 3 million for all night. Ridiculous!

[QUOTE=OsakaGin11;1681466]Well after much planning and thinking about an Indonesian monger experience, I arrived in Jakarta at 9. 00 pm from Melbourne, Australia via transit KL.

By the time I got to the Fave Hotel on Wahid on Hasyim, it was around 11.00 pm and after a quick shower and shave I got to the BATS club in the Shangra hotel around midnight.

After a quick walk and talk with several ladies who were quoting prices from 1. 5 million are to 2. 0 for a short time and a young lady wanting a gob smacking 3. 0 K for all night! . I finally settled on a busty 30 year old Sumutran native by the name of Rosella who I negotiated 1. 0 for a short time visit at my hotel.

She promised a good long BBBJ in negotiation at BATS but in reality at my hotel room it was quite average. However sex with her in many different positions was at least an 8 out of 10. None the less I wouldn't repeat.

I have one day and night in left Jakarta as I am flying out to Malang tomorrow morning and I thinking about what a good strategy would be to spend today and tonight mongering? I have been reading good reports in the forum about Maribaya Spa in Hotel Melawai on Blok M and I was just wondering if anyone has been there recently? What is best time to go there to see the maximum of gals? How much is the cost of massage and FS and does anyone have a gal there that could recommend for a one off "unforgettable" experience with good reputation for giving an awesome BBBJ?

If I don't go there I was looking at visiting Alexis or Classic Malioboro hotels. Which is the best value for money of the those 3 hotels?






Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]To Osaka Gin.

There are 2 Disco for pick up near your hotel I pick up some nice girl at Golden Crown in Glodok for 700 k for st and Millie at lokasari plaza at Manga Besar near hotel travel, for value classic offer girl starting at 350 k but room is small same for hotel travel but Alexis and Malioboro have better quality girl and room.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=OsakaGin11;1681466]I have been reading good reports in the forum about Maribaya Spa in Hotel Melawai on Blok M and I was just wondering if anyone has been there recently? What is best time to go there to see the maximum of gals? How much is the cost of massage and FS and does anyone have a gal there that could recommend for a one off "unforgettable" experience with good reputation for giving an awesome BBBJ?[/QUOTE]Day shift before 4:30 offers best selections.

Cost is 600 k per session.

Arty, Henny, Egi, Nini, are some names that come to mind but rarely disappointed there for your particular request.

Also, for others, I noticed that there are a couple of new faces in there the last few weeks.

First trip to Jakarta and my first report here. Been going places for few years now so I am not new to this stuff, hope you guys find it helpful. I am European in my early 30's, pretty with pretty decent looks, I work out and generally take care of my body.

Arrived in the afternoon, took Blue Bird taxi from the airport to Sparks Hotel. Cost around 160 k with tolls and a small tip, there was a huge traffic so I presume price is normally a little lower as on my way back to airport I did pay around 130 k.

Sparks hotel. In the center of action, Lokasari plaza just 3 minutes away and tons of other places around. On the other hand not much to do in that area during daytime. As I like walking long distances not a problem for me. The hotel itself has a karaoke and "spa" inside. Had a short trip to top floor karaoke, few girls sitting around, none particularly of my taste so my trip was short. Also went to SPA as I heard there are themed rooms to take girls to, e. G. Plane, office, jungle. When I arrived there, place was empty, mamasan asked if I want a good massage, price 300 k 1,5 hrs. I said why not, but, I cannot choose a girl! She is supposed to pick me one, and this is never a go for me, as I am picking the girls not somebody else. So I thanked and went out. Actually this was happening on my 3rd night and I knew a definite place to go.

Travel Hotel. This is a place I went to my first night and in the end kept visiting every night. Located no more than 10 min walk from Sparks, has a spa in it. When you enter you are given a number and all the costs inside are charged on it. Though you pay for girls separately and straight after "you pick". There is "trick" there, when you go downstairs to lounge area with girls, competing mamasans try to get you and push you a girl from her area, not like you just go and pick any sitting there. To be fair out of 30 or so girls sitting there at least half were strong 8's and just few of them I would never pick and I am extremely picky.

On my first night being new to this type of "casting" I took nice young girl mamasan pushed through, though she was not the 1st out of the bunch she tried to sell me. Cost 300 k. Took me to rooms upstairs, which are nice and clean. Took a shower then main dish. Girl was very nice, limited but decent English. Covered BJ, then sex, pretty decent session, but I could not finish wearing Indonesian condom, extremely small, would rather have my own. Though there was a bonus behind it took it off and asked if she could do a BBBJ and then finish in her mouth, not sure if she understood the 2nd part but she was up to uncovered stuff and had to be surprised when I splashed into her mouth. She did not seem to be very disappointed though. Gave her a 50 k tip. Maybe cheap.

Alexis. I had an idea to go to Alexis or Malio club, but as I was walking not far from Alexis area and needed some daytime "rest" decided to go in. Well I would have better taken a cab, as streets leading to it are not particularly made for walking even for me. Had to jump to a truck to take me through a lightly flooded road. In the end arrived near Alexis hotel. Had my bag searched and leave camera in a lobby, then took elevator to SPA floor. Entrance 150 k and you are given a key to a locker. All the stuff is packed in the locker so no need to bring your swimwear and etc. Facilities extremely nice clean and look posh. Opted to go to spa area first, very nice though not much to do, steam and regular sauna, couple of jacuzzis. If you are lazy enough you can call a mamasan / papasan and they would bring girls to your "beach" chair or lounge and you can pick. This is something I noticed Asian visitors were constantly doing. It was still early around 3 pm So not too many visitors. Instantly spotted few absolutely perfect girls. Cannot give anybody a 10, but they would be like 9,8 or smth. Decided that there is no point to wait, so headed downstairs to girl area to see all girls. Again similar to Travel hotel it is hard to walk around and pick the one you want there as you are seated and have to wait till somebody comes up to suggest girls. Called papasan and asked for the prices. There are Indonesian, Chinese, Kazakh and Russian girls in, so the prices are different. Was quotes 1,375 MIL for Indo girls, and 2,750 or some Mil for any other. At that point I was like WTF. 1,3 Mil for Indo girls looking not better thant the ones in Travel hotel for 300 k. Chinese lineup had some very strong candidates, but 2,7 MIL = 150 EUR or so, did not motivate me as well. Can get ton of stunners in German FKKs for 3 times less than that. Prices are for 30 minutes in jacuzzi and 1 HR in a room. Politely told the papasan that I would think, but stayed 1 more hour in spa area and left.

Travel Hotel again. Went to travel hotel that night, again same routine, mamasan attacks you tries to push girls, but now I was more firm and rejected all her attempts and basically went straight to the area where girls are sitting and began browsing. When I saw the one I want I just searched for mamasan next to the area and asked if she is your's. This scheme worked!, though nobody in the club was following it. Again 300 k, nice girl, but almost no English. Decent session, though no uncovered BJ this time. 100 k tip.

On my 3rd night went to travel hotel again, as I have save a ton in Alexis, decided to pick 2 girls at once, which is 525 k! What a bargain. Picked 2 very nice girls I missed on my 2nd day there and had a very good session as I brought my own condoms. Still no uncovered BJ which is kind of only disappointment in that place. Gave each 100 k as they were really girl friendly.

Lokasari Plaza. Did not go to any establishments there, but many of spas Karaokes around. Does not matter how you call them, same stuff.

Skout. I had an app installed on my phone which shows where you are located, had a ton of interest from Indo girls texting me and some calling to meet, though due to my short stay and will to see something in the city, this time I did not manage to meet any of them.

So that is it, will I go back to Jakarta? HM, most definitely if I am in Asia, very good price / quality ratio, not many tourists and that is brilliant. City itself is not that impressive, poor public transport and not much to see, but enough to have 3-4 good days there.

[QUOTE=Jaunelis;1682359]Travel Hotel. This is a place I went to my first night and in the end kept visiting every night. Located no more than 10 min walk from Sparks, has a spa in it. When you enter you are given a number and all the costs inside are charged on it. Though you pay for girls separately and straight after "you pick". [/QUOTE]The mamasan can be a trifle on the pushy side. I usually go straight on through to the room with the pool tables and sit down. When the mamasan come steaming in, I lie and tell them that I've already taken a girl from the other rooms, I'm just relaxing and "cuci mata" by looking at what's on offer. I wait until I make eye contact with one of the girls, then tell the mamasan. Maybe she thinks I'm up for seconds, or maybe she can tell from my tag that I told a porky earlier, but it just gives me a bit of space to choose a girl who's going to provide better service.

[QUOTE=GonzoTwo;1682756]I usually go straight on through to the room with the pool tables and sit down. [/QUOTE]Most of the girls are out of eye sight from that room. You can sit in the good area where all the girls are and still be fine. If you just tell the mamasans that you want to have some drinks first or that you are waiting for your friend, they will leave you alone. If they don't, then say "Jangan ganggu saya", which is actually a pretty rude way to say don't bother me. That will chase them away. They will still be happy to help you later when you do want a girl. Sometimes I like the mamasans to aggressively bring girls over though. At least I can see them standing and say hello to them that way.

I enjoyed my time in stadium last year, hot girls with reasonable price with good rooms in one place.

I will be in Jakarta next month, As stadium is closed, is there any similar place to that?

Pipelayer is in Jakarta for the next 10 - 12. He can not access ISG so I am posting this for him.

Anyone in town want to meet to go to Classic, Malioboro, Alexis, a club, or Blok M? 0812 1023 9461.

Hi All.

Just wondering if hardcore mongers know if Kalijodo or the other one has been closed down?

JAD took me to these places a couple of years ago to find some 'bigger girls' (I previously went to Kartika / Aloha for them, or trawled the streets off Hayam Wuruk for them LOL).

[QUOTE=DownUnderMonger;1684371]Hi All.

Just wondering if hardcore mongers know if Kalijodo or the other one has been closed down?

JAD took me to these places a couple of years ago to find some 'bigger girls' (I previously went to Kartika / Aloha for them, or trawled the streets off Hayam Wuruk for them LOL).[/QUOTE]Kalijodo is still going, as far as I know. But being the oldest monger area in Jakarta, it's not for every one. It's a local monger area and you have to know what you are doing, IMHO. The back alleys are not safe. If you are from out of town, you'll stick out like a sore thumb, better to go there with a friend or wingman who knows the local customs and speaks bahasa.

What 'other one'?

I'm sure it is still up for business, at least from what I can see read from the local-mongerer reports at kaskus. Co. I'd. Last report I read was from December last year and the cost for ST was 250 K. I think I would have read or heard about it somewhere in the local media, had it been shut down.

I went there with another foreigner friend a couple years ago, at around midnight, after having had a heavy karaoke session somewhere in Kota. I remember it wasn't too far with a taxi from Kota, and the local shitty Kota taxi (not bluevird) knew where to go. As we hadn't been there before, we entered the first small house where a mamasan was standing outside, waiving down the taxi. There was a few girls in the house, and we both selected a girl. Both reasonable lookers, 18-20 yo. Service basic, kind of starfish. The rooms were basic, but homey, as the girls sleep in the rooms as well. Think we overpaid, but still only 300.000 rp incl tip. If I recall correctly. Afterwards we took a ojeg back to Kota, as we could not find a taxi.

People were friendly, but I too, would suggest any newbies / guys without much local knowledge and Indonesian language skills, to show precaution when visiting Kalijodo or reroute to the Kota area instead.

Wamena

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;1684458]Kalijodo is still going, as far as I know. But being the oldest monger area in Jakarta, it's not for every one. It's a local monger area and you have to know what you are doing, IMHO. The back alleys are not safe. If you are from out of town, you'll stick out like a sore thumb, better to go there with a friend or wingman who knows the local customs and speaks bahasa.

What 'other one'?[/QUOTE]

The Jakarta 100 bars website did a review on it last year. Google the website name and Kalijodo and you will find it. I don't mind going "Bush" occasionally, but my spidey senses tingle even driving past this place along the toll. Go with someone and be alert.

[QUOTE=DownUnderMonger;1684371]Hi All.

Just wondering if hardcore mongers know if Kalijodo or the other one has been closed down?

JAD took me to these places a couple of years ago to find some 'bigger girls' (I previously went to Kartika / Aloha for them, or trawled the streets off Hayam Wuruk for them LOL).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;1684527] I don't mind going "Bush" occasionally, but my spidey senses tingle even driving past this place along the toll. Go with someone and be alert.[/QUOTE]Me too, I went there once because I like to push the envelope and see what is on offer off the beaten track (for bules, locals would find it perfectly mainstream) and it just didn't appeal. Don't get me wrong, I didn't feel in any way threatened or in danger, quite the opposite the mamasan was more than hospitable and willing to help but it just didn't click. If you are a bule there is no real reason to go there, there's nothing on offer that you can't find in any of the more well-known joints.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1680690]Not even one of the My Bar calender girls?[/QUOTE]That calendar was well done. Made all those girls look like models. I believe Yuli still works at Dees as a bartender. You can check her out in person there and give your rating.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1685418]That calendar was well done. Made all those girls look like models. I believe Yuli still works at Dees as a bartender. You can check her out in person there and give your rating.[/QUOTE]I took me a second or two to recognise her, in fairness she's still a decent looking bird for a single mum in her thirties, I dare say she'd scrub up well. I wouldn't have minded getting to know her back in 2005 mind you.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1685481]I took me a second or two to recognise her, in fairness she's still a decent looking bird for a single mum in her thirties, I dare say she'd scrub up well. I wouldn't have minded getting to know her back in 2005 mind you.[/QUOTE]She had a great ass back in 2005 and used it well to tantalize guys on the dance floor upstairs in the old Dees. She worked the 6th floor at Maribaya for a bit as well back then. Her sister also works at Dees these days as a sexy dancer, although her sister's prime was also back around 2005. Not that I'm complaining, my prime was back in 1983.

Anjani is still working the back room at Dees. She has one of the best bodies I've ever seen on the Blok.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1685630]Anjani is still working the back room at Dees. She has one of the best bodies I've ever seen on the Blok.[/QUOTE]A great ass, in more ways than one.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1685418]That calendar was well done. Made all those girls look like models. I believe Yuli still works at Dees as a bartender. You can check her out in person there and give your rating.[/QUOTE]My favorite was Tasya.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1685418]That calendar was well done. Made all those girls look like models. I believe Yuli still works at Dees as a bartender. You can check her out in person there and give your rating.[/QUOTE]A Dee's calendar is currently under discussion. Guess it would mainly feature the Dancers.

I notice that Wiwin is back on the Blok. Saw her in Top Gun dancing up a storm. She's always entertaining. She's the one wearing short shorts, tall stripper boots, shirt that exposes her stomach, and dancing like a maniac either on the pole or on the stage. Can't miss her. I was sitting near the area with the pole when she was dancing there, and when she was doing her leg splits, I noticed she wasn't wearing any underwear. I asked her about it and she said said the guys like it when she doesn't wear underwear. I can't argue that.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1685912]My favorite was Tasya.[/QUOTE] I remember her working behind the VIP bar of the old the's place. It had a great ambiance that little bar.

She used to be on the calendar that was published on the Jakarta blok M website. But it disappeared. Does anyone know what happened to that site? Apart from a great calendar, I much enjoyed reading it.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;1686049]
She used to be on the calendar that was published on the Jakarta blok M website. But it disappeared. Does anyone know what happened to that site? Apart from a great calendar, I much enjoyed reading it.[/QUOTE]That site is still there, unchanged. He never posted pictures of the actual calendar, but posted photos from the calendar shoot and the competition. I used to post there frequently, but at some point it became impossible to log on with a password to post. It always told me my password was wrong. I even asked Rev to reset it, and he did, but it never did work again. So I just stopped posting. It seemed more people had the same problem because everyone stopped posting around then. That was a shame because that was a fairly busy site with frequent posters at the time.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;1686049]I remember her working behind the VIP bar of the old the's place.[/QUOTE]Tasya also worked Highway to Elle about 5 years ago. But that was a bit after her prime.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1686078]That site is still there, unchanged. He never posted pictures of the actual calendar, but posted photos from the calendar shoot and the competition. I used to post there frequently, but at some point it became impossible to log on with a password to post. It always told me my password was wrong. I even asked Rev to reset it, and he did, but it never did work again. So I just stopped posting. It seemed more people had the same problem because everyone stopped posting around then. That was a shame because that was a fairly busy site with frequent posters at the time.[/QUOTE]You are the best. Thanks, found it. Menteng, may like this..

[URL]http://jakartablokm.com/gallery/album-mybar-calendar/slides/tasya30.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;1686254]You are the best. Thanks, found it. Menteng, may like this..

[URL]http://jakartablokm.com/gallery/album-mybar-calendar/slides/tasya30.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Tasya, like her sisters who all had Russian names, was quite hot but she ruined her look with the most god-awful ugly tattoo of a cross on the back of her neck a few years ago. She had a bule boyfriend, a Brit if I'm not mistaken, who drove a second-hand BMW and always liked to give the impression of wealth and influence that matched neither his clothes nor choice of car, or indeed choice of hang-out.

The last time I saw Tasya I thought the years and drink and cigarettes had not been kind to her.

Gosh, with Menteng and Smoothy here this place is beginning to sound a bit like the Block M blog revived.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1686078]That site is still there, unchanged. He never posted pictures of the actual calendar, but posted photos from the calendar shoot and the competition. I used to post there frequently, but at some point it became impossible to log on with a password to post. It always told me my password was wrong. I even asked Rev to reset it, and he did, but it never did work again. So I just stopped posting. It seemed more people had the same problem because everyone stopped posting around then. That was a shame because that was a fairly busy site with frequent posters at the time.[/QUOTE]I have had the same problem and took the same decision. Mind you, I was one of the very first to post on its photo section. If memory serves me right I even contacted the second (moderator of that site, who is also active here, to put some effort, but alas!

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;1686254]You are the best. Thanks, found it. Menteng, may like this..

[URL]http://jakartablokm.com/gallery/album-mybar-calendar/slides/tasya30.html[/URL][/QUOTE]You bet! Hmmm, 10 years ago, already! I was already in my very late fifties then but was still going very strong. I didn't expect my activities to decline so fast to my nowadays level (sigh).

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1686326]Tasya, like her sisters who all had Russian names, was quite hot but she ruined her look with the most god-awful ugly tattoo of a cross on the back of her neck a few years ago. She had a bule boyfriend, a Brit if I'm not mistaken, who drove a second-hand BMW and always liked to give the impression of wealth and influence that matched neither his clothes nor choice of car, or indeed choice of hang-out.

The last time I saw Tasya I thought the years and drink and cigarettes had not been kind to her.[/QUOTE]I hate it when the girls get tattoos like that. I always thought she was a nice girl. She has a great smile. Whenever she'd see me around the Blok, she'd make a point to come up and talk for a bit. But I didn't meet her in her prime back in 2005, I met her around 2009. By that time, I wasn't really interested in taking her home. Nice girl to talk with though. I think she's engaged to an Aussie now. The time frame to catch these girls in their prime is normally quite short. As you mentioned, the drinking, cigarettes, and party lifestyle catch up to them quickly.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1686335]I was already in my very late fifties then but was still going very strong. I didn't expect my activities to decline so fast to my nowadays level (sigh).[/QUOTE]We're all getting old. You need Ms. Li to come back and get it going, LOL!

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1686526]We're all getting old. You need Ms. Li to come back and get it going, LOL![/QUOTE]I don't think the place is still there. Maybe I should go to South China one day, to look for her.

I would be visiting Jakarta first time for 5 nights in first week of May. My plan is to visit Travel, Classic, Alexis and Malioboro in the afternoons and hit CJs, BATS or Blok M bars in night as I prefer LT.

I am currently planning to book Hotel Mercure Kota for 3 nights and Win Hotel for 2 nights so that I get to stay in both parts of the city and split the pain of travel. Getting rate of USD 36 per night at Mercure and won't mind extending upto 50- 70 USD per night if I am to save lot commute.

I don't know if FL girls would be ready to travel to Kota for the night and wouldn't want to give up on some good ones if travel to kota is going to be a concern. I don't want to waste too much time travelling to Kota either during daytime by staying in opposite part of town.

I wouldn't mind being located centrally if I can get options at the same price (. Request suggestions from members on whether it makes sense for my current hotel plan or should I book 5 nights in Hotel Mercure Kota.

I would be landing at 11.30 pm in Jakarta from Manila and would reach Hotel not earlier than 2 am. Are there any options available in the night such as visit to Blok M bars or some discos or does the town shut down at this time.

TIA.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1686981]I would be visiting Jakarta first time for 5 nights in first week of May. My plan is to visit Travel, Classic, Alexis and Malioboro in the afternoons and hit CJs, BATS or Blok M bars in night as I prefer LT.

I am currently planning to book Hotel Mercure Kota for 3 nights and Win Hotel for 2 nights so that I get to stay in both parts of the city and split the pain of travel. Getting rate of USD 36 per night at Mercure and won't mind extending upto 50- 70 USD per night if I am to save lot commute.

I don't know if FL girls would be ready to travel to Kota for the night and wouldn't want to give up on some good ones if travel to kota is going to be a concern. I don't want to waste too much time travelling to Kota either during daytime by staying in opposite part of town.

I wouldn't mind being located centrally if I can get options at the same price (. Request suggestions from members on whether it makes sense for my current hotel plan or should I book 5 nights in Hotel Mercure Kota.

I would be landing at 11.30 pm in Jakarta from Manila and would reach Hotel not earlier than 2 am. Are there any options available in the night such as visit to Blok M bars or some discos or does the town shut down at this time.

TIA.[/QUOTE]To Illusionheart.

There are disco in Kota that you can pick up girls after midnight until the morning, I don't think you will like win hotel is a dump Mecure is a much better hotel you can stay at spark hotel is about 55 usd no far from Mecure meter taxi is very cheap in Jarkata most short trip is under 5 usd.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1686981]I would be visiting Jakarta first time for 5 nights in first week of May. My plan is to visit Travel, Classic, Alexis and Malioboro in the afternoons and hit CJs, BATS or Blok M bars in night as I prefer LT.

I am currently planning to book Hotel Mercure Kota for 3 nights and Win Hotel for 2 nights so that I get to stay in both parts of the city and split the pain of travel. Getting rate of USD 36 per night at Mercure and won't mind extending upto 50- 70 USD per night if I am to save lot commute.

I don't know if FL girls would be ready to travel to Kota for the night and wouldn't want to give up on some good ones if travel to kota is going to be a concern. I don't want to waste too much time travelling to Kota either during daytime by staying in opposite part of town.

I wouldn't mind being located centrally if I can get options at the same price (. Request suggestions from members on whether it makes sense for my current hotel plan or should I book 5 nights in Hotel Mercure Kota.

I would be landing at 11.30 pm in Jakarta from Manila and would reach Hotel not earlier than 2 am. Are there any options available in the night such as visit to Blok M bars or some discos or does the town shut down at this time.

TIA.[/QUOTE]I just got back from a 1 week stay in Indonesia and other cities in Asia and was in Jakarta for most of the time. The FL girls in any place in Jakarta do not bring up nor care what part of Jakarta you are staying in if you are intending to get her LT as you say you are. We pulled girls from the North and also stayed in Central Jakarta almost near the south, and this was never an issue. Just use the time in the cab to continue to chat her up and it will go fast. As Fast Eddie says, taxis are inexpensive, but make sure to use the "Blue Bird Taxi " which are the blue cabs that say the name Blue Bird on the side doors as other taxis may cost more. We stayed near Central Jakarta and it was very convenient. The Mercure is a good hotel chain, and I would not recommend switching staying in different parts of the cities as the traffic and distances were not far enough to merit this.

Jakarta is a top contender for being my favorite sex destination. Besides a brief layover visit to Alexis in 2009, I had my first major visit in April 2011, and have made another three trips in the last year and a half. In August 2013 Jakarta was the opening act for a sex tour that also included the Philippines (Angeles), Singapore, and one night in Bangkok. April 2014 saw me there as the "fun" part of a Bali beach holiday. And I started out 2015 with Jakarta leading off a trip that also featured Angeles. I'm finally writing up these visits.

Jakarta does feel like a second (sex) home; I can't count the number of walks, taxi rides, and ojeck lifts up and down Mangga Besar on the way to and from various venues. The great thing about that location is that the sex is so pervasive it practically comes to you. One night on my most recent trip as I was headed back to my room to finally get some sleep, the hotel bellboys ecouraged me to take a look inside a minivan parked in the hotel driveway. Inside there were about four girls, hot and fresh to order like pizza delivery. I decided to pass, but it was right there if I wanted!

On all my multi-day Jakarta trips I've spent a good amount of time in the Kartika-Berlian massage parlor alley. This has always been a go-to location for me, within reasonable walking distances from my lodging near Loksari Plaza on Mangga Besar, and a good option for morning mongering.

I had visited Kartika on my first major visit to Jakarta in 2011, and so returned during in August 2013. Like my first time, on entering I was immediately approached by cute, petite Mia, greeting me with big smiles. With a lackluster lineup Mia and a friend were easy choices, and we went slip sliding away in an entertaining but showy rather than truly erotic way: a packaged performance. I ultimately escaped the room after a tipping encounter that felt like extortion.

The lure of the mythical Kartika experience persisted, so last April I made a return to experience the "hamburger" two girl performance, as they all call it there. Swarmed as usual by smiley Mia, this time I felt like trying someone new, however, and so went with slender Leah and busty, thick Tanti. They did not stand out so much from the rest of the women there, still an older group without many lookers.

"Hamburger" is an appropriate term: while you do get your meat between their buns, it's a fast food operation at Kartika. The well-rehearsed routine was athletic but pretty stale, a rushed act that didn't provide much pleasure. And too much washing, too little banging. Tanti did give me the kegel squeeze, and was impressed that for that skill I marked her as from Madura. But the hectoring for a higher tip at the end was extremely annoying. I decided that it would be my last visit to Kartika, and on this most recent visit in January I did not return, although I was in the alley often, as I write below.

A new discovery in April 2014 was the first massage parlor on as you enter the alley, Royal Mas. I had passed on the invitations of the papasans outside numerous times in the past but decided to try it one morning. I found the lounge teeming with girls; I wondered how they made enough business given the numbers. The selection was a mixed bag, but I settled on a cutie named Dewi. The room was pretty basic, resembling a walk in closet, with a mattress on the floor. This sweetie was very affectionate and the sex very satisfying, so I came back two days later after my Kartika disappointment, and Dewi more than made up for that with a warm embrace and more. I didn't return on my latest visit this year, a time crunch but partly since I doubted I would find Dewi there again.

But my main haunt on the alley was Berlian. It's actually the place where I've conducted my longest long-distance mongering relationship. Back in 2013 I made the acquaintance of Erna, a lovely island girl right out of a Matisse painting. Quiet and sensitive, her shy smile won my heart. Over the years I've lost my head kissing her soft lips and pert breasts and caressing the gentle curves of her body.

Given her demure nature, it's now surprising to me that when I first met her in August 2013, it was in a threesome. My reason for checking out Berlian in the first place was to try another two-girl soapy, since like Kartika Berlian also offers these. The rooms at Berlian are small but clean, with a shower stall and strong air conditioning, but aren't specially designed for soapies; they just take the cotton sheet off the bed and lie you down on the plastic mattress. While the rooms are less specialized than at Kartika they are nicer, less like an operating room, and at R760,000 for the duo (back then) including tip it was a better value than Kartika, and minus all the drama of the girls' hounding for tips.

I recall that in my first threesome with Erna her partner was Sari, a short haired, slender, sexy woman a few years older than her. I enjoyed slip-sliding through the session, but especially my connection with Erna. I returned a couple of days later to repeat but this time with Erna and a different girl, Dita. It was the day of my departure, but I knew I would have to try to get back to Erna if I at all could.

I did this in a big way in April 2014, meeting up with Erna at Berlian on four of the five days of my trip. The first session also included a girl named Fifi, as I bowed to the mamasan's pleas to take two girls, but after that I only went solo with Erna. I even squeezed in two visits my last day, one just before I had to get to the airport. On the one day I did not see Erna it was because it was her day off, so I had a solo with a cutie who was a bit chubby but looked great in braces.

Since I never called Erna between visits, I really wondered if she would be there when I got back to Jakarta this January. The place looked like nothing had changed, with the same cast of characters. The tiny sparkplug of a mamasan (also called Erna) who whenever she spotted me outside would grab my arm and March me inside to a couch; her smiley mamasan partner in crime; and the less smiley desk girl; plus the bored looking girls on couches. Then there was the persistent old masseuse who always tried to persuade me to bring her in on my sessions; from her free massage samples given as I waited on the couch I could tell she was very good, but I did not want to pay sex massage prices for a regular, though good, massage.

One change I did notice was that Erna was not there. My favorite mamasan instantly called her, and I got nervous when she got no reply, but she eventually made contact and "my" Erna and she arrived after 20 minutes. Every time I went to see Erna the mamasan had to call her to come in, so I suspect Erna is no longer a regular at Berlian.

Our reunion session was sweet, and I returned the following two mornings. I did get a scare on the last day when the mamasan reported that Erna was busy; I exchanged numbers with the mama and met my Jakarta friend for coffee, and eventually the mama called with the good news that Erna had arrived. We spent another hour together, and I hope for another reunion on my next visit to Jarkarta.

Back when I visited in summer 2013 and spring of 2014 Stadium was still going strong, and was one of my favorite venues. I loved the sin-city atmosphere. The nude dancers on multiple floors, pussy for hire in the midst of Indonesian youth and foreign backpacker types there for the djs' trance beats. It made other sex venues around the world seem tame, right here in the world's largest Muslim nation.

I had first visited Stadium in August 2013, and on each of two nights I made two trips to the bedrooms. The medieval decor, complete with flying dragon hovering over the trancing dancers below, very much fit the club's dark magic. It makes me think back to when I was 13 and drew up plans for a vampire's castle featuring torture chambers (obviously), but also bedrooms where he could ravish young innocent victims. Stadium felt like that kind of place, and it was good to be the vampire. Only I didn't have blood lust, just lust for pussy.

The mamasans in the big hall (the only part of the club I ever picked a girl), sent one after another to me as I nursed the free drink that came with the entry ticket. They finally sent one who was just right, a petite cutie just my style, with a look almost more Latina than Asian. Since she had no English we didn't speak much before getting to the room, so I assumed she would be a demure little thing. Not quite: once inside she practically ripped my clothes off, and we were soon fucking with abandon. The room we were assigned had weak air conditioning and so was hot, but what really heated the place us was the two of us.

And I don't mean metaphorically, we were going at it so furiously that the place practically steamed up, We were drenched, sweat flying as Putri rode me wildly. We collapsed in exhaustion after I came hard, but that didn't deter me from keeping her in the room for a second hour, my energy soon restored by this naked little vixen, and the feel of her lips on my cock.

I took another girl to a room afterward, but memories of my session with Putri have wiped those of the other girl from my mind, along with any recall of the next girl I fucked at Stadium the next night. I do remember the awkwardness when I tried to hire out some cuties hanging out near the mamasans' corner, and learning that they were civilians. My main goal for that second night was to get together with Putri again. Her mamasan was willing to help me with my quest, but Putri was otherwise occupied when I asked, and for another couple of hours. I felt desperate asking the mama several times, but she always kindly counseled me to be patient. Eventually Putri did emerge, and I felt like a long-lost lover had returned, and we resumed where we had left off the night before.

On my April 2014 trip I returned to Stadium, with finding Putri again my priority. I was disappointed but not surprised to learn from the mamasans that she was not there, but did see I had plenty of options, with the back corners of the Stadium dance hall packed with hookers. I had a session that night and two on my last night in Jakarta, two days later, but the experiences never recaptured that of my first time there.

Most memorably, I connected with a girl that seemed like a civilian, though, dancing to the beat in (or on) ecstasy, swaying in a gauzy dress (a flower in her hair? Lily's spacey-ness really attracted me, and she was friendly and we could communicate in English in snatches over the thumping trance. At the reception desk I paid for a room (given the venue these were surprisingly plush at Stadium), and she began to strip down. But from there things went downhill. I had figured that her chemical enhancement would make for an exciting session, but instead Lily became increasingly incoherent and unable to perform, all movements halting. Outside of some brief enjoyment of her tall, slim body the session came to naught.

A session with a girl named Dewi left me with few memories. On a sour note, a following session sticks in my mind for negative reasons. I had spotted this tall, gorgeous model type at one point, and took her to the room despite the late hour and the inevitable toll of a day on which I had already shot four loads, when not outside battling the Jakarta heat and humidity. Sofia didn't make it any easier to perform, as she was a cold as she was beautiful. Not inclined toward making any efforts to get me aroused, the session went nowhere, but it was almost worth the R325,000 to see her naked.

With the less than stellar sessions on that Spring 2014 visit, maybe it was not so bad that Stadium was no longer an option on my last trip in January. But I still have some damn fond memories of the place.

One more thing. In spring 2014 I checked out the other dance-plus-mongering spot I had read about, Millie's disco in Loksari Plaza, plus the nearby club on Mangga Besar with a grand classical entrance. At both places I enjoyed the trance, but I could not tell is some of the younger / attractive women I could barely see in the darkness could be taken out; a couple of women who definitely were available were not work it. And given the deafening music I don't know how I would have struck up a deal anyway.

When I think about Jakarta and sex, Classic Hotel and Travel Hotel are the venues I most associate with the city. It's not because they are the best places I have visited there (far from it). But their model feels so distinctive, so unique to Jakarta, in how affordable they are, the glitziness, the entertainment (singers, nude dancers, pool tables), the large numbers and the profile of the girls (cute and / or young). I've seen venues with similar elements in other places around the world, but these "couch brothels" as I have seen them called just scream "Jakarta" to me.

I've made them regular stops on my trips to Jakarta, although honestly the experiences have been uneven. I was a real Classic glutton on my August 2013 Asian sex tour, visiting on back to back nights and doing eight girls, two threesomes each night. At around R550,000 (I forget the exact price) for taking two girls together, it was value that could not be ignored. But it is revealing that I know the names of the girls I fucked (Flora & Manda, Sophie & Mitra, Nancy & Ik, and Dida & Adel), but have zero recollection of what they looked like or how the sex was.

In April 2014 I returned to Classic. I stopped up at the fifth floor but spent my money down at second floor Terminal, whose atmosphere (and occasional nude dancers) I preferred. Sex-wise, I had an unremarkable threesome with a pair of girls, Febu from Bandung and Ekka from Surabaya.

This January trip I came back for more, partly for the convenience. I took the metro one stop from Mangga Besar to Sawah Bessar and made the short walk over to the hotel. Choosing the second floor club as usual, on this latest visit, for a change, I did not opt for a threesome. I bounced from the territory of one mamasan to the next, sending back a couple of girls summoned to me. But one mama called over a tall cutie who easily stood out among the many average looking girls on the couches.

Eena looked fantastic, was attentive, and spoke very good English: a perfect courtesan. But while attentive to her client, she rebuffed my attempts to create a passionate mood. She agreed to my request to go down on her, but soon told me that she had to service me, and held firm on playing that role rather than let me do the same to her. So as far as a fuck with a sweet young thing goes it was fine, but not the kind of "getting swept away" sex I prefer.

Hotel Travel featured as part of my travel plans in August 2013. One of the reasons I like staying at the Astika Hotel on Mangga Besar is that it is literally around the corner from Travel (although that rationale is diminishing, as you will read). I dedicated one night's entertainment to Travel on that trip, doing a threesome with Dicha and Tira (the price was a bit steeper than at Classic) and then a session with a girl named Susan. You guessed it: my mind is a blank slate about those experiences. In April 2014 I didn't even make it over to Travel.

This January I had planned to make it a regular afternoon stop, a place for a quick afternoon shag after an after-lunch nap, but before the main activities of the night. I never did get around to doing this, however. But one late night after enjoying myself at Kota Indah's LA Bar, I rejected my body's advice to go to sleep and strolled from my hotel to Travel, ignoring the many taxi drivers calling out "girls! You want a girl?" as I walked around the block to Hotel Travel. I soon revived, but knew I had little time to linger, as it was after 1 AM and the place closed at 3. I was here definitively for the R525,000 threesome deal.

The mamas brought over a few girls but Indecisiveness haunted me, so I eventually settled on one tallish slender girl I had already dismissed. I asked for the mama to bring us another, and she paired Eesa up with her friend Layna, who had a nice booty on her. I knew that this would have a dynamic of its own, but wasn't sure what it would be.

Once in the room one of them turned the TV on right away and I knew that this would not exactly passionate, especially given the late hour. My acceptance of the situation helped. While the girls were workmanlike, they did put in a good effort. Eesa especially took a pounding in doggy, her head over the edge of the bed, as I thrust hard to finally achieve another cum for the day. Their chatting with each other in Bahasa did not bother me since they did show some good humor as the mood seemed to lighten more after the sex than before or during, strangely enough. But overall it turned out to be a pretty good session, all things considered. I can't see myself giving up on Travel and Classic altogether, since I plan to continue to base myself in Mangga Besar. But it will probably continue being a matter of a once-a-trip visit, for old times' sake (and the cheap sex).

The big find on my April 2014 trip was Compleks Kota Indah. A fellow mongerer on the board from back home who spent some time living in Jakarta had recommended this handful of bars off Jl Pangeran Jakayakarta to me. It's very much a local place; I've only seen a couple of bules there. That's the story for almost all the places in North Jakarta, but the other venue I visited with this kind of local flavor was Bintang Mawar on a side street just west of Loksari Plaza, but that bar held my attention only the length of a drink, as it was too dark to assess the girls (they were ok), and the price seemed high, though I forget how much I was quoted.

As for Kota Indah, first impressions are not appealing as the complex is dark and largely derelict as you enter, resembling a movie set for a battle between street gangs. Once you get to the bottom of the you-shaped alley, though, it becomes lively with brightly lit bar signs, some convenience stores and street food stalls, and people milling about. The bars all have basically the same set-up, a central bar with booths and tables around the walls, a small stage with stripper poles and dj booth, a fishbowl, with rooms upstairs on a couple of floors. While not the height of luxury and pretty small, the rooms were always quite clean with working air conditioners (sometimes too strong), and with an attached shower cubicle with hot water.

I spent a couple of days circulating at the bars at Kota Indah. I never did take a girl from the fishbowl at MTR2, and at the most local bar I saw at the kompleks (on the "arm" of the you that does not have Royal, Sari, and LA Bar), a cutie recoiled when the mamasan asked her to greet me, a bule, so I just left.

My first session at Kota Indah was at Royal, with a girl who wasn't wearing a dress like the rest of the girls, but she looked so amazing with a round ass squeezed into super tight jeans, and a tight top showing off cleavage. Susan was friendly, but the sex not very passionate as she did not kiss, but fucking this hottie was worth it.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, at Sari the mamasan plucked a tiny girl out of the fishbowl for me. (In general the mamasans and papasans at the Kota Indah bars made great selections for me. Sometimes I had to throw one back, but usually I was set up very well.) Farah from Sunda was one of the smallest girls I ever had sex with, but she had no qualms about taking my cock into her tight pussy, whether I was over her in missionary or she on top riding me cowgirl. She was a real sweetie, and on my return session I had stomach issues and so for much of the time we just lay there in each other's arms, which I enjoyed very much.

But the highlights materialized at LA Bar. I liked the look of the girls there and the mamasans and papasans were friendly. One quickly pulled a girl out of the fishbowl for me, a lithe beauty named Adele (aka Flora). Up in the room it was instant passion. We immediately embraced and kissed with intensity, and soon we were stripping off each others' clothing. There was no pre-session shower this time; I quickly pulled down her frilly white lace panties and began to lick her wet pussy with abandon, and she inhaled my dick as we switched into a 69. Adele sensually rode me in cowgirl, bending down to kiss me, as I grabbed her ass cheeks and bounced her up and down on me. The rest of the hour followed in the same vein.

I returned to L. A. Bar the next afternoon to see Adele. After one sweaty hour our desire wasn't yet extinguished, so I opted for a second. I couldn't get enough of Adele / Flora, and so I told her I wanted to see her again. When she asked where I was staying I invited her over after her shift. Alas, it was not meant to be, as she never showed up at Sparks Hotel that night. Fortunately, I had Stadium within walking distance; see more about that in my next post.

I returned two days later to try to find Adele / Flora only to learn that she was off due to the arrival of her period. But again the staff at L. A. Bar did not let me down. The mamasan selected a gem for me, a seventeen year-old who was slender but had the most perfectly round, firm, natural boobs I have ever experienced on an Asian. Belying her limited life experience, Imelda was a very skilled lover and quite friendly. I really focused on her breasts, grasping them as I pumped her doggy, or when she was in top bouncing on my dick. I was disappointed that I was unable to find her available the following day.

History repeated itself on my Jakarta trip this January, with another fantastic time at Kota Indah, specifically LA Bar. I believe that a prime mongering venue is not like a supermarket for sex; it also needs to be a fun place, with some spirit. LA Bar definitely fit the bill, with topless and sometimes partially bottomless nubile girls having fun dancing and laughing on stage, plus some entertaining local characters among the audience, a pounding beat that didn't deafen you, and a good old fashioned party atmosphere. This wasn't entirely missing from the other IK bars, but LA Bar had it the most and was my favorite. And I preferred the atmosphere there to Classic and travel and other venues as well.

The staff at LA Bar again succeeded in finding me an excellent companion. I declined the first one or two they presented, but when smiley Rosa came out of the fishbowl to greet me II knew she was the one. As we greeted each other this petite girl kind of melted into me, and I could tell right away it was a comfortable fit.

From the start Rosa's playfulness shone through. Her teasing, served up with a sexy smile, transitioned into very sensual kissing and caresses, and licks applied to my nipples and regions further south that made me tremble with pleasure. Rosa wrapped her lips around my cock with relish and skill, a scene I watched closely in the large bedside mirror. My own mouth had its own share of activity, kissing and sucking what were a surprisingly full set of boobs on such a slender girl. My tongue grew busier as I laid her back to lick her pussy, tweaking her nipples as she squired and moaned.

Having exchanged phone numbers and agreed to meet again, the next day Rosa sent me sweet but creatively-spelled text messages, and after a visit to Classic I let her know I was coming. Once I got to LA Bar Rosa greeted me with a huge smile. Our session again started with a soapy dick wash in the shower, and got only better from there. I soon knew that I would be extending beyond the first hour, and we had two hours together of delicious sex. A fantastic value at R305,000 per hour (plus a tip of 50,000 at the end).

I had told Rosa that I would return the next afternoon, my last in Jakarta, for one last encounter before heading to the airport. Irritatingly, she was about a half hour late; when I arrived and asked for Rosa the mamasan on duty called her at home to summon her. The dwindling time before I had to leave made me nervous, and so I couldn't enjoy the session like I had anticipated. This wasn't Rosa's fault in her performance, since she pulled out all the tricks up her sleeve to get me aroused and performing. Even with a disappointing last session, I still appreciated having another one of these multi-day mini-flings, as with Erna at Berlian, and especially one where the girl was so lighthearted like Rosa.

Raucous bars filled with music and value-rate ceweks are fun, but so is being pampered. So on every Jakarta trip I try to fit in a real spa, and sometimes one of the higher end venues despite the expense. In August 2013 I stuck to someplace very convenient, Oasis spa, just steps away from my hotel on Mangga Besar. The big banner advertising a special on the occasion of a recent renovation drew me in, as did the over-the-top Egyptian pharaonic sculptures on the building. This was not a plush place; the pool and sauna and other wellness areas resembled an urban YMCA. The room for the main activities was very large and pretty nice though.

I had selected my masseuse, Nuri, as she had entered the selection lounge. She was in her 30's but attractive and curvy, which made for a good body-to-body slide. The sexiness was tempered a bit however by the shower cap that covered her long, silky hair. After the massage part she put a condom on me and began to ride me cowgirl. Between that and the warm bath afterward the experience was pleasant, but not as erotic as I had hoped.

On my spring 2014 trip my stay at Sparks Hotel in Mangga Besar was partly predicated on having a sexy spa experience. I had read about their spa's theme rooms with the massage girls dressing up and role playing as nurses, schoolgirls, etc. Of course, when I inquired about this in April last year I was told that they no longer did this, and the in-room "massage" option was also problematic for some reason. Sparks Hotel was ok, mostly for its big breakfast, but without his fun factor I didn't think that much of the place (my room was either freezing or stuffy, no in-between a / see levels), and stayed at nearby Astika, my old standby, on my latest trip.

I made one spa visit last April, to Illigals, which definitely lived up to its reputation in terms of high-standard facilities, very plush. I was tired and planning a later visit to Stadium that night, so I had a massage but did not choose a girl from the lineup for sex. The selection was fine but not spectacular for the 700,000+ rate. I was offered extras or even full service by my busty masseuse, but she quoted some crazy price so I declined. Illigals' location is ideal for Mangga Besar, so I will probably check it out again next time.

Alexis was to be my big splurge on last year's trip. It had been my first Jakarta mongering experience in 2009, though the service from a local girl was underwhelming. This time, I had to check off from my bucket list the Chinese red rope / helicopter massage service I had read about. I inquired at reception as I entered and was directed to the fifth floor, where a papasan in a smart suit ushered me into a classy, modern Asian bedroom; it had minimalist elements (mattress on the floor) with a luxurious feel to it.

The lineup of girls presented for my choosing also impressed, full of young alabaster-skinned beauties. There was no way to go wrong given their good looks, but this made for a difficult choice, so I went with the one girl, who flashed me the best smile. Sofia was sexy but as I find with so many Chinese girls, there's less there once the pretty dress is off. Smaller boobs, a body that's fit but not super sexy. That theme continued for the whole experience: less than I expected. First her showering me up hit all the hygiene points but didn't have much sex appear. The standard Chinese sauna act. Cat bath, etc. - was fine but nothing on what I had gotten in Macau in the past.

And then the red rope "helicopter massage," that I had anticipated for so long as an ancient Oriental technique to bring me to ecstasy. Well, not quite. I had to remind Sofia to do it, for one thing. She started with putting a condom on me, another bad sign. It undeniably impressed me to see Sofia pull herself up on the red ropes above the bed, turn upside down, engulf my dick, and spiral around. Athletically it was a fine move, but her newness to this was clear in the erotic sense; it just wasn't very sexy. And the condom definitely did not help matters any.

The red rope act over, we moved onto sex, where Sofia was especially poor. Her movements when riding in cowgirl didn't do much for me, and in missionary she verged on the starfish. I eventually did pump out a load. Afterward as I laid back to watch some TV to take advantage of the fancy room Sofia's energy returned. She climbed astride me and began to hop up and down more to be playful in an immature way than to arouse me again. Because it was very annoying and uncomfortable, definitely not arousing.

I got her to stop and our time was soon over. After I cleaned up that is when the most eventful parts of the visit started. Sofia's performance had bothered me, and I definitely felt I had not gotten value for the very high R2,400,000 I paid upon entry. So when Sofia asked for a tip as we were about the exit the room, I brushed her off, saying something like "later, later. " Well, when I declined to sign to my credit card a tip for her when asked at reception, they asked me to wait there. Sofia came to the reception desk, hysterical that I was not tipping her. This got me furious, given that I was disappointed in the session. The papasan begged me to give anything, so I handed him R100,000 for her.

I acknowledge my fault there: I should have just tipped her as leaving instead of brushing it off; in another context with proper language skills I probably would have told her plainly that I was not happy and not tipping for that reason. I understand the loss of face for her, and should have avoided an incident. But in my opinion, at the prices they charged, anything short of exceptional service was unacceptable.

Going into my January trip I wanted to set aside some time for a spa experience, and for a while had wanted to check out Emporium. Within walking distance from Sawah Besar metro station, it was easy to get to. A bonus for the location was the good warnungs and other food vendors on Jl Pecenongan. I ended up eating twice at one place that served outstanding babi (pork) satay.

While not so large from the outside, Emporium had an ornate Victorian look that would have been appropriate for a 19th century brothel. This appearance gave way to 21st century club decor inside. The look of the 30 ish year old mamasan who greeted me also impressed me. She sat with me on a couch while I perused the selection of girls on the couches on one side of the room, of a clearly higher caliber than at Classic or Travel.

I picked a tall, slender girl named Keiko, and she took my arm to lead me to the changing room. As in a Macau sauna, the attendants took my shoes and robed me after I undressed at my locker, and after I showered Keiko emerged to escort me to the pool in the wellness area. Like I experienced at Alexis years ago on my first Jakarta trip, at Emporium your chosen girl will spend up to half an hour with you in the pool, and the couple will then proceed to the room.

Keiko took my robe and hung it up and then slipped out of her own robe, revealing her gorgeous, lithe, long body clad only in a small bikini. She sat me on a submerged bench at one end of the pool and then settled in front of me between my legs. With a cold compress she wiped down the beads of perspiration brought on by both the steamy hot water and the steamy hot babe in front of me, she leaned in to rub her delicate bikini clad breasts against my chest and massaged my cock through my shorts. I enjoyed the rest of the view too as other bikini girls entered the pool with their men. This pool program may come at the expense of a longer program in the room, but to me it's totally worth it, a true indulgence.

The pleasure did not end in the pool, however. When finished Keiko led me to a room, and as I had already showered I had the chance to lie back on the bed and watch Keiko slip out of her robe and discard her bikini and step naked into the shower, where I had a lovely view of her soaping herself through a glass wall. The optics throughout this session thrilled me. Once dried off, Keiko crawled onto the bed to administer a sensual cat-bath. She eventually brought her tongue to my dick and began a slow blow job, intensified by her feline eyes looking into mine and the sight of her body sprawled on the bed, cute ass cheeks on display.

I spent much of the rest of our session looking over at the mirrored wall across from the bed, watching Keiko's slender young body cleaved to mine. Rising over her in missionary, I approached the first penetration like I was opening a jewel box. She snapped me back to reality by sliding a condom on my dick, something I had been ready to dispense with. Keiko in turn climbed on top to ride me and then flipped her over to take her from behind. I give her credit for her skill at her profession; while not passionate (only the lightest kisses were on offer), she moved with maximum sensuality.

A couple of days later I had thoughts about heading to the Orchadz Hotel Grand Boutique Spa, where my Jakarta friend had told me they had role playing rooms on offer (something I had sought but but not found at Sparks the year before). As my schedule developed this didn't work out. It was my last full day in Jakarta and I had been at Berlian for a morning session with Erna. Afterward I headed over to Glodok Plaza to pick up some cheap pirated movie DVDs. Last year I had noticed that the mall had a hotel on the upper floors, with a spa; I wanted to see if that meant what I thought it did. The idea of having sex in an electronics mall strangely appealed to me.

At the Golden Crown Hotel spa's reception desk I was asked to sit to wait for a lineup of girls to come out, and I chose one of the six on offer, a generally cute bunch but not spectacular. I chose Tiara, who led me to the room. This was first class quality, but since there were no sauna facilities (or any I was told of), the R725,000 price tag (I tipped 100,000) was really not good value.

The session began with a regular massage, which Tiara performed well. Not very long into it, however, I asked Tiara if she would remove her masseuse uniform and massage me naked. As soon as she took it off it made any ideas of a regular massage disappear, and we began to deep kiss and grope. With her hair pulled up and out of heels Tiara (and naked) Tiara lost a bit of her glamour from the lineup, a little chubbier too. She still appealed to me though, her body, oiled up from contact with me, glistening. I have always been extremely turned on by the notion of a regular massage that morphs into sex, and in Tiara's case the passion was there, in contrast to my session at Oasis in 2013. The session was not perfect: we tried fucking in the hot tub but the water temperature was too hot and the positions we tried awkward. And the massage got me so relaxed that I spent some time dozing (though my tiredness might have been the fault of my activities the night before). I doubt I would make a return visit to Crown, with so many other options, although if DVD buying got me horny enough, maybe I would.

I've gotten to know North Jakarta pretty well over the course of several visit, I think, but had some serious gaps in my mongering record in the city. For a change on this trip I had a contact in the city, a relocated fellow monger from my regular stomping grounds. We met up the evening of my arrival, and he was happy to take me to some places I had never visited.

The first was King's Cross in Kelapa Gading, maybe 20 to 30 minutes away by taxi from my hotel in Mangga Besar (always my temporary home in Jakarta). The King's Cross location surprised me, stationed in what looked like a white collar business park with accounting offices and the like, as well as a branch of MTR club (we looked in after King's Cross but despite the schoolgirl outfits we did not stay at MTR).

King's Cross impressed me. I didn't see any nude dancing that night, but with fine facilities and a nice looking selection of girls on the couches and at tables at the margins of the seating area I had a good feeling about the place. My friend quickly had a girl by his side, but my first selection, at a nearby table, shook her head no to my bule-hood.

This worked out well, since the next girl who caught my eye, in part for the Indian look to her, agreed to come over. While we had few language skills in common, Vita was friendly and we got along well (my friend, who spoke Bahasa, helped with the communication). Between this good humor and a nice thick ass, I was sold on her, paid the R580,000 hourly charge (I tipped 100 K after), and we headed up to the room in a crowded elevator full of mongers and their girls.

I got the feeling that while friendly and playful Vita had a "professional" bent, oriented toward a good service suck and fuck, but little more. But I like to think she soon succumbed to my charms, as she really got into it as I licked her wetter and wetter pussy. Her eyes went wide as I entered her in missionary, and soon we were kissing between thrusts. With her fine ass, pumping her from behind was a joy and by the end of the hour after we came we had worked up a sweat and lay together, smiling. With other places to see I didn't get back to King's Cross again on this trip to see Vita, but wish I had.

Next it was time to break my Blok M cherry. My friend and I headed down there, about a half hour at that hour (about 1 AM) and I got the grand tour, driving by Melawi (still have never been to Maribaya massage) and then onto Jalan Felahatan. We stopped into the's Place for a drink and checked out two nude girls with hot bodies entertaining a bule in the VIP room. We were approached by three plain, thick women proposing fun in the BJ corner but the offer was declined. The main lounge was almost empty of guests, but there were a few girls rotating from table to stage to dance. They were kind of cute but dressed in shorts and t shirts that weren't very sexy. I could see how under the right conditions this place could have a very sexy and fun vibe, but not that night.

We headed over to Top Gun for a look, and then to My Place. We settled in there for a drink. My place was lively, with lots of girls dancing all over. Before this trop I had recently been on the briefest of layovers in Kuala Lumpur and made a non-mongering bar-hop downtown including a drink at the Thai club there, and let me just say that the quality of the freelancers at Blok M paled in comparison to the women offering companionship in KL.

Still, I was here for a reason, and my attention perked up when I saw a pair of slender girls in sexy dresses enter, one in red and the other in yellow. They sat down for a drink near us and I soon approached the one in yellow. Her friend in red spoke English and translated for her friend, who did not. Conversation was minimal between the language gap and the loud techno music. But with the friend to clarify everything I negotiated yellow girl for an overnight at R700,000.

My girl and I and my mongering friend left and got a taxi back to Mangga Besar and dropped him at home. Back at my hotel, my girl began to shrink, or so it seemed. With everything she took off. Her shoes, then her dress, her bra (with its boob padding), this already slight girl got smaller and smaller. I love petite women, but she was just kind of skinny, and the dim lighting at My Place plus my beer goggles had been taken in my her false eyelashes. I don't want to paint this as more than it was, but she was basically kind of plain.

I also had to guide things along and coax her into sex (she started out with the covers pulled over her and panties on), but we eventually got some kissing going and began doing the deed. It was pretty good, and Ii enjoyed her small body as she rode me. But nothing spectacular: the next morning I just let her go without a morning fuck, as I was more interested in not missing the hotel breakfast than having another pop. Which says a lot. But at least I got to add another Jakarta experience; I wonder what I'll try next time.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1687139]To Illusionheart.

There are disco in Kota that you can pick up girls after midnight until the morning, I don't think you will like win hotel is a dump Mecure is a much better hotel you can stay at spark hotel is about 55 usd no far from Mecure meter taxi is very cheap in Jarkata most short trip is under 5 usd.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Eddie, for the benefit of all members here, can you name some of the specific discos in Jakarta that you recommend for good looking FLs. We went to Royal Crown, and did not like the quality of girls there. X2 Club was great on Saturday for FLs in discos, but weak on Thursday night. We also peeked into Immigrant Club on Friday night, and that did not seem too crazy. So, of all the discos we tried, X2 Club seemed to have the best looking girls. Other beautiful girls were to found at Bats and CJs but these are really upscale hotel bars, not discos.

[QUOTE=IbnButtita;1687583]I've gotten to know North Jakarta pretty well over the course of several visit, I think, but had some serious gaps in my mongering record in the city. For a change on this trip I had a contact in the city, a relocated fellow monger from my regular stomping grounds. We met up the evening of my arrival, and he was happy to take me to some places I had never visited.

The first was King's Cross in Kelapa Gading, maybe 20 to 30 minutes away by taxi from my hotel in Mangga Besar (always my temporary home in Jakarta). The King's Cross location surprised me, stationed in what looked like a white collar business park with accounting offices and the like, as well as a branch of MTR club (we looked in after King's Cross but despite the schoolgirl outfits we did not stay at MTR).

King's Cross impressed me. I didn't see any nude dancing that night, but with fine facilities and a nice looking selection of girls on the couches and at tables at the margins of the seating area I had a good feeling about the place. My friend quickly had a girl by his side, but my first selection, at a nearby table, shook her head no to my bule-hood.

This worked out well, since the next girl who caught my eye, in part for the Indian look to her, agreed to come over. While we had few language skills in common, Vita was friendly and we got along well (my friend, who spoke Bahasa, helped with the communication). Between this good humor and a nice thick ass, I was sold on her, paid the R580,000 hourly charge (I tipped 100 K after), and we headed up to the room in a crowded elevator full of mongers and their girls.

I got the feeling that while friendly and playful Vita had a "professional" bent, oriented toward a good service suck and fuck, but little more. But I like to think she soon succumbed to my charms, as she really got into it as I licked her wetter and wetter pussy. Her eyes went wide as I entered her in missionary, and soon we were kissing between thrusts. With her fine ass, pumping her from behind was a joy and by the end of the hour after we came we had worked up a sweat and lay together, smiling. With other places to see I didn't get back to King's Cross again on this trip to see Vita, but wish I had.

Next it was time to break my Blok M cherry. My friend and I headed down there, about a half hour at that hour (about 1 AM) and I got the grand tour, driving by Melawi (still have never been to Maribaya massage) and then onto Jalan Felahatan. We stopped into the's Place for a drink and checked out two nude girls with hot bodies entertaining a bule in the VIP room. We were approached by three plain, thick women proposing fun in the BJ corner but the offer was declined. The main lounge was almost empty of guests, but there were a few girls rotating from table to stage to dance. They were kind of cute but dressed in shorts and t shirts that weren't very sexy. I could see how under the right conditions this place could have a very sexy and fun vibe, but not that night.

We headed over to Top Gun for a look, and then to My Place. We settled in there for a drink. My place was lively, with lots of girls dancing all over. Before this trop I had recently been on the briefest of layovers in Kuala Lumpur and made a non-mongering bar-hop downtown including a drink at the Thai club there, and let me just say that the quality of the freelancers at Blok M paled in comparison to the women offering companionship in KL.

Still, I was here for a reason, and my attention perked up when I saw a pair of slender girls in sexy dresses enter, one in red and the other in yellow. They sat down for a drink near us and I soon approached the one in yellow. Her friend in red spoke English and translated for her friend, who did not. Conversation was minimal between the language gap and the loud techno music. But with the friend to clarify everything I negotiated yellow girl for an overnight at R700,000.

My girl and I and my mongering friend left and got a taxi back to Mangga Besar and dropped him at home. Back at my hotel, my girl began to shrink, or so it seemed. With everything she took off. Her shoes, then her dress, her bra (with its boob padding), this already slight girl got smaller and smaller. I love petite women, but she was just kind of skinny, and the dim lighting at My Place plus my beer goggles had been taken in my her false eyelashes. I don't want to paint this as more than it was, but she was basically kind of plain.

I also had to guide things along and coax her into sex (she started out with the covers pulled over her and panties on), but we eventually got some kissing going and began doing the deed. It was pretty good, and Ii enjoyed her small body as she rode me. But nothing spectacular: the next morning I just let her go without a morning fuck, as I was more interested in not missing the hotel breakfast than having another pop. Which says a lot. But at least I got to add another Jakarta experience; I wonder what I'll try next time.[/QUOTE]Great Field Reports Ibn, keep up the great work! I agree that Jakarta can be a gold mine, but you have to have a plan with places to go as the logistics and getting around Jakarta only allow going to several places per night.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;1687598]Eddie, for the benefit of all members here, can you name some of the specific discos in Jakarta that you recommend for good looking FLs. We went to Royal Crown, and did not like the quality of girls there. X2 Club was great on Saturday for FLs in discos, but weak on Thursday night. We also peeked into Immigrant Club on Friday night, and that did not seem too crazy. So, of all the discos we tried, X2 Club seemed to have the best looking girls. Other beautiful girls were to found at Bats and CJs but these are really upscale hotel bars, not discos.[/QUOTE]X2 has the best looking and you actually have a chance to pick the girls up there. Cloud and Sky both have very hot girls, but they are so upper class that it's very difficult to pick up anyone there (and they are bars, not discos). Immigrant has some true hotties as well, but it's not as easy to pick up girls there as it is at X2. I've had very good luck at Golden Crown. There aren't a lot of stunners, but there are so few bules that you have your pick of the litter. And the girls are freebies (I hate to say that because nothing is free in life. But they are not going to quote you a price to take them home, they do want some fun pills though). There is a disco called Collosseum that is pretty cool. I'd recommend checking it out.

[QUOTE=IbnButtita;1687583]I've gotten to know North Jakarta pretty well over the course of several visit, I think, but had some serious gaps in my mongering record in the city. For a change on this trip I had a contact in the city, a relocated fellow monger from my regular stomping grounds. We met up the evening of my arrival, and he was happy to take me to some places I had never visited.

The first was King's Cross in Kelapa Gading, maybe 20 to 30 minutes away by taxi from my hotel in Mangga Besar (always my temporary home in Jakarta). The King's Cross location surprised me, stationed in what looked like a white collar business park with accounting offices and the like, as well as a branch of MTR club (we looked in after King's Cross but despite the schoolgirl outfits we did not stay at MTR).

King's Cross impressed me. I didn't see any nude dancing that night, but with fine facilities and a nice looking selection of girls on the couches and at tables at the margins of the seating area I had a good feeling about the place. My friend quickly had a girl by his side, but my first selection, at a nearby table, shook her head no to my bule-hood.

This worked out well, since the next girl who caught my eye, in part for the Indian look to her, agreed to come over. While we had few language skills in common, Vita was friendly and we got along well (my friend, who spoke Bahasa, helped with the communication). Between this good humor and a nice thick ass, I was sold on her, paid the R580,000 hourly charge (I tipped 100 K after), and we headed up to the room in a crowded elevator full of mongers and their girls.

I got the feeling that while friendly and playful Vita had a "professional" bent, oriented toward a good service suck and fuck, but little more. But I like to think she soon succumbed to my charms, as she really got into it as I licked her wetter and wetter pussy. Her eyes went wide as I entered her in missionary, and soon we were kissing between thrusts. With her fine ass, pumping her from behind was a joy and by the end of the hour after we came we had worked up a sweat and lay together, smiling. With other places to see I didn't get back to King's Cross again on this trip to see Vita, but wish I had.

Next it was time to break my Blok M cherry. My friend and I headed down there, about a half hour at that hour (about 1 AM) and I got the grand tour, driving by Melawi (still have never been to Maribaya massage) and then onto Jalan Felahatan. We stopped into the's Place for a drink and checked out two nude girls with hot bodies entertaining a bule in the VIP room. We were approached by three plain, thick women proposing fun in the BJ corner but the offer was declined. The main lounge was almost empty of guests, but there were a few girls rotating from table to stage to dance. They were kind of cute but dressed in shorts and t shirts that weren't very sexy. I could see how under the right conditions this place could have a very sexy and fun vibe, but not that night.

We headed over to Top Gun for a look, and then to My Place. We settled in there for a drink. My place was lively, with lots of girls dancing all over. Before this trop I had recently been on the briefest of layovers in Kuala Lumpur and made a non-mongering bar-hop downtown including a drink at the Thai club there, and let me just say that the quality of the freelancers at Blok M paled in comparison to the women offering companionship in KL.

Still, I was here for a reason, and my attention perked up when I saw a pair of slender girls in sexy dresses enter, one in red and the other in yellow. They sat down for a drink near us and I soon approached the one in yellow. Her friend in red spoke English and translated for her friend, who did not. Conversation was minimal between the language gap and the loud techno music. But with the friend to clarify everything I negotiated yellow girl for an overnight at R700,000.

My girl and I and my mongering friend left and got a taxi back to Mangga Besar and dropped him at home. Back at my hotel, my girl began to shrink, or so it seemed. With everything she took off. Her shoes, then her dress, her bra (with its boob padding), this already slight girl got smaller and smaller. I love petite women, but she was just kind of skinny, and the dim lighting at My Place plus my beer goggles had been taken in my her false eyelashes. I don't want to paint this as more than it was, but she was basically kind of plain.

I also had to guide things along and coax her into sex (she started out with the covers pulled over her and panties on), but we eventually got some kissing going and began doing the deed. It was pretty good, and Ii enjoyed her small body as she rode me. But nothing spectacular: the next morning I just let her go without a morning fuck, as I was more interested in not missing the hotel breakfast than having another pop. Which says a lot. But at least I got to add another Jakarta experience; I wonder what I'll try next time.[/QUOTE]Kings Cross in Kelapa Gading isn't mentioned here enough. That place Rocks! They definitely have nude (completely nude) dancers there. The place is nice, the girls are hot and the price is cheap. I think it's way better than Classic or Travel. The problem with it is it's far away from everything unless you stay in Kelapa Gading. I have actually considered getting a room at Kings Cross since it is a hotel as well and just spending my time shagging there. The place is heaven.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1687139]To Illusionheart.

There are disco in Kota that you can pick up girls after midnight until the morning, I don't think you will like win hotel is a dump Mecure is a much better hotel you can stay at spark hotel is about 55 usd no far from Mecure meter taxi is very cheap in Jarkata most short trip is under 5 usd.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Thanks Eddie, will keep mercure as my base for 5 nights. Guess lot more options in Kota comparatively.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1687618]Thanks Eddie, will keep mercure as my base for 5 nights. Guess lot more options in Kota comparatively.[/QUOTE]To Illusionheart.

Yes Kota is the place to stay now not much going on at Blok M now days and Classic and hotel travel is just a short Taxi ride away, too bad Stadium is now closed down but there are still many disco near by Mecure go after midnight take the taxi not safe to walk at night.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1687615]Kings Cross in Kelapa Gading isn't mentioned here enough. That place Rocks! They definitely have nude (completely nude) dancers there. The place is nice, the girls are hot and the price is cheap. I think it's way better than Classic or Travel. The problem with it is it's far away from everything unless you stay in Kelapa Gading. I have actually considered getting a room at Kings Cross since it is a hotel as well and just spending my time shagging there. The place is heaven.[/QUOTE]To Smoothy.

The problem with King cross is far from Kota Many taxi guy know Kelapa Gading but not King cross I have to ask 3-4 taxi guy before one guy know where it is around 6 pm with traffic it take about 45 min to get there, this place is great have a great Massage and service at the sauna, will try the disco and the night club next time.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1687920]To Illusionheart.

Yes Kota is the place to stay now not much going on at Blok M now days and Classic and hotel travel is just a short Taxi ride away, too bad Stadium is now closed down but there are still many disco near by Mecure go after midnight take the taxi not safe to walk at night.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Thanks Eddie for the guidance. Any recommendations for discos or clubs to go to for FLs in Kota. Also should I expect 1 mill price range for LT or does it vary significantly.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;1687574]I just got back from a 1 week stay in Indonesia and other cities in Asia and was in Jakarta for most of the time. The FL girls in any place in Jakarta do not bring up nor care what part of Jakarta you are staying in if you are intending to get her LT as you say you are. We pulled girls from the North and also stayed in Central Jakarta almost near the south, and this was never an issue. Just use the time in the cab to continue to chat her up and it will go fast. As Fast Eddie says, taxis are inexpensive, but make sure to use the "Blue Bird Taxi " which are the blue cabs that say the name Blue Bird on the side doors as other taxis may cost more. We stayed near Central Jakarta and it was very convenient. The Mercure is a good hotel chain, and I would not recommend switching staying in different parts of the cities as the traffic and distances were not far enough to merit this.[/QUOTE]Thanks studbucket. I have decided to book 5 nights at Mercure. I might check out Blok M, CJs, BATS on alternate nights being my first trip but don't want to stay in South due to lack of daytime action which I usually go for.

Any luck in the malls, had read posts about pick up possible in daytime from Blok M plaza mall.

[QUOTE=DCups;1670400]Nice rack, too, thanks. How much did you pay and where, please? Thanks.

.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the late response. I paid 350 k for an hour with her at Kings Cross (Kelapa Gading area). Yes, she has very nice big breasts, and she was a lot of fun, great personality. Her name is Lilliana. But she's not the only well endowed chick they have, I noticed quite a few well endowed girls there. They have 2 categories of girls. When you walk in, the girls on the left are 350 k, the ones on the right side of the room are 450 k. I don't see the difference between the girls on the 2 sides, but maybe it has something to do with their background. Both sides have very nice girls.

I like the place because it's more upscale than Hotel Travel or Classic as far as the clientelle and environment there (I hate the loud karaoke crap at Travel, and Classic on a Saturday night has so damn many locals who went there just to see the nude dancers due to a low cover charge that you can hardly even find a place to stand), and the girls are better looking at KC (in my opinion). It's not as nice a place as Alexis, but truthfully, I don't see the difference between the Indo girls at Alexis and the ones at Kings Cross. I think the place is owned by the same guy.

I've never had one of the girls there try to use a condom for the BJ. They also have completely nude dancers. That was the place and the night where I was mesmerized by one of the nude dancer's beautiful pussy undulating to the beat of the song they were playing. We sat right next to the stage that night. Of the 4 dancers, that one really stood out. It's still fresh in my mind over a month later. haha. If I were staying in Kota, I wouldn't be so far from there, but I stay quite far from that area so I don't go often. However, I'm seriously considering a hotel for the weekend at Kelapa Gading simply to hang out at that place all weekend.

I would recomment Lilliana, however, I would most likely not go with her again any time soon myself simply because there are so many options.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1688057]Thanks studbucket. I have decided to book 5 nights at Mercure. I might check out Blok M, CJs, BATS on alternate nights being my first trip but don't want to stay in South due to lack of daytime action which I usually go for.

Any luck in the malls, had read posts about pick up possible in daytime from Blok M plaza mall.[/QUOTE]To Illusionheart.

There are many disco near Mecure in Kota the Golden Crown, Millie and the Colosseum disco all cater for the young local mos tof the girl here speak little English ST rate is 600 k to 1500 k all night depend on the girl, if you go to BAT and CJ girl here speak English older girl they ask for more, I also pick up girl at the mall but you need to speak some Bahasa it is a hit and miss if you are here for 5 days don't waste time just go to hotel travel and classic.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1688057]
Any luck in the malls, had read posts about pick up possible in daytime from Blok M plaza mall.[/QUOTE]I've probably been to Blok M Plaza 1000 times (literally) and I've never picked up a girl there. I think there is only one guy in the history of this forum who has posted that he took girls from there (Pete33). He did find a few very nice ones, but I would not recommend that as a pickup spot. Oh wait, Bulai did post once that he picked up a girl there at the cinema about 10 years ago. But that was that one crazy pelatehan chick who everyone in Jakarta has shagged at one point.

As far as malls, you can possibly pick up girls at any mall in town (or McDonald's or KFC, or wherever). Blok M Plaza is not a special pickup spot. I remember Bulai used to frequently post about his conquests picking up girls at Plaza Indonesia. There's a guy working at the American embassy who hangs out in Plaza Indonesia passing out his business cards with a 100,000 rupiah note around it asking them to call him if they would like to go to dinner some time. (I know this because the girl I was with there one time told me he just gave her that card. We then watched him give out cards to other girls as well. LOL) So any mall can be a hunting ground. Pasaraya used to have a little bar where the girls would go looking for short time action in the afternoon, but that bar closed years ago. Atrium mall is the famous mall for picking up girls looking for action. There used to be frequent posts about that mall on this forum. I haven't seen one post in years though. I stayed too far south to make it worth my while to go there. That mall was mainly frequented by Arabs looking for free lancers, but it's not limited to only Arabs. And the girls who went there are well aware that it was a pickup spot. I think I read that the police were cracking down on that at that mall, but I have no verification of that.

Has anyone hunted at Mal Atrium lately?

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1688057]Thanks studbucket. I have decided to book 5 nights at Mercure. I might check out Blok M, CJs, BATS on alternate nights being my first trip but don't want to stay in South due to lack of daytime action which I usually go for.

Any luck in the malls, had read posts about pick up possible in daytime from Blok M plaza mall.[/QUOTE]We did not really try the malls for pickup action, however we went to the largest mall in Jakarta and it seemed everyone was going about their business. Did not see single women on the prowl looking for bules (foreigners). I would think the best day time action would be at the entertainment complexes with spas in them such as Alexis Hotel, Sun City Spa, Malioboro, etc. Also, definitley do not miss Bats on Friday or Saturday night and X2 as in my opinion these places had the best looking girls. I was able to pull a beautiful young 25 year old FL out of Bats for 1 milllion rupah all night long.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;1688434]I was able to pull a beautiful young 25 year old FL out of Bats for 1 milllion rupah all night long.[/QUOTE]Any photos?

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1688352]To Illusionheart.

There are many disco near Mecure in Kota the Golden Crown, Millie and the Colosseum disco all cater for the young local mos tof the girl here speak little English ST rate is 600 k to 1500 k all night depend on the girl, if you go to BAT and CJ girl here speak English older girl they ask for more, I also pick up girl at the mall but you need to speak some Bahasa it is a hit and miss if you are here for 5 days don't waste time just go to hotel travel and classic.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Thanks Eddie I have listed these places and will be keeping the prices in mind. Don't want to repeat the same mistake I did when I landed in BKK and ended up paying 4 k and 3 k to girls for LT every night.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1688360]I've probably been to Blok M Plaza 1000 times (literally) and I've never picked up a girl there. I think there is only one guy in the history of this forum who has posted that he took girls from there (Pete33). He did find a few very nice ones, but I would not recommend that as a pickup spot. [/QUOTE]Smoothy you pointed out rightly. I had read Pete33's post almost a year back and it felt so easy to pick up girls in Blok M plasa and take them to his fav WIN hotel. This had stayed in my mind hence my initial plan was to book 2 nights at WIN Hotel and explore Blok M plasa in daytime and bars at night.

However after going through the suggestions provided by all of you I have decided to stay in Kota for entire duration and stick to places with options.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;1688434]We did not really try the malls for pickup action, however we went to the largest mall in Jakarta and it seemed everyone was going about their business. Did not see single women on the prowl looking for bules (foreigners). I would think the best day time action would be at the entertainment complexes with spas in them such as Alexis Hotel, Sun City Spa, Malioboro, etc. Also, definitley do not miss Bats on Friday or Saturday night and X2 as in my opinion these places had the best looking girls. I was able to pull a beautiful young 25 year old FL out of Bats for 1 milllion rupah all night long.[/QUOTE]Studbucket, unfortunately my visit is from Monday landing at 12.30 am after 8 days of pleasure in Manila (3 nights) and AC (5 nights) till Thursday when I go back to Singapore. Am surely going to miss the weekend nights in Disco but pretty confident that this will not be my only visit and is aimed to be more of recon. I have travelled to LOS 3 times since October and am scheduled to revisit in First week of April. I desperately needed a break as routine is getting pretty monotonous and I like change of scenery often. This is the main purpose of visit to Philippines and Indonesia. Enough Viet girls in Singapore hence have avoided trip to their native so far but I might visit Cambodia later in the year though.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1688454] ........... but I might visit Cambodia later in the year though.[/QUOTE]It might be a good idea to contact Knight 1001 when you go there.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1688465]It might be a good idea to contact Knight 1001 when you go there.[/QUOTE]Knight is living the dream. I'm jealous.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1688465]It might be a good idea to contact Knight 1001 when you go there.[/QUOTE]Menteng, Thank you for the suggestion. Once I visit LOS again in April I would be travelling to Philippines & Indonesia in May after which I will be on a break for 2 months. Then LOS again in August. The way my current itinerary is I can not see myself visiting Cambodia before Oct / Nov this year.

I sure will try to get in touch with Knight 1001 before I land there. Experience from seniors who have spent time on ground is always welcome and not easily available.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1688474]Knight is living the dream. I'm jealous.[/QUOTE]So you did find him, hope you had a good time!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1685621]She had a great ass back in 2005 and used it well to tantalize guys on the dance floor upstairs in the old Dees. She worked the 6th floor at Maribaya for a bit as well back then. Her sister also works at Dees these days as a sexy dancer, although her sister's prime was also back around 2005. Not that I'm complaining, my prime was back in 1983.[/QUOTE]Can you give us the name of this sister? Might be interesting.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1688807]Can you give us the name of this sister? Might be interesting.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]I am not certain, but I think her name is Ayu. She's the one in purple with the tattoo on her leg at the right side of this photo holding the girl wearing the red.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1688454]
Smoothy you pointed out rightly. I had read Pete33's post almost a year back and it felt so easy to pick up girls in Blok M plasa and take them to his fav WIN hotel. This had stayed in my mind hence my initial plan was to book 2 nights at WIN Hotel and explore Blok M plasa in daytime and bars at night.
[/QUOTE]There was something distinctly odd about Pete33's conquests at Blok M Plaza, he was asked about it twice in the forum to enlighten us as to his astonishing strike rate (he would literally walk in on a midweek afternoon and 15 minutes later he was humping some fresh kampung chick back at Wins). He made no reply and I noticed we haven't been hearing much about Blok M Plaza since.

If you hang around in the early evening there is a possibility, maybe, you might see girls who are shopping there (although it's more likely they'll be in the more down market Blok M Mall, or in the bus terminal arcade) before heading to work in Falatehan, but if you sit in Falatehan you'll meet them anyway and can enjoy a cold drink while waiting for them rather than wandering gormlessly around the mall looking like an obvious monger.

Just to confirm then and to avoid anyone else being confused, perhaps Pete33 had an astonishing ability to score chicks in Blok M Plaza, and he just is an amazing silver-tongued dashing chap who can sweep mid-afternoon shoppers off their feet, maybe, however I am inclined to believe he was getting them from somewhere else and for reasons best known to himself pretended he was picking them up in Blok M Plaza.

If Smoothy hasn't managed it and I haven't, and we've got a combined third of a century between us in stalking cewek in Blok M, then I doubt anyone else is going to do substantially better.

Hi Menteng.

[QUOTE=Dorman;1688853]There was something distinctly odd about Pete33's conquests at Blok M Plaza.

If Smoothy hasn't managed it and I haven't, and we've got a combined third of a century between us in stalking cewek in Blok M, then I doubt anyone else is going to do substantially better.[/QUOTE]Dorman, rightly said. I am going to go wiith experiences of members who are still around and visit places with lot of options rather than shoot in the dark. With no bahasa capability and zero on ground experience I would only be setting myself up for disappointment.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Dorman;1688854]Hi Menteng.[/QUOTE]Hi, lo and behold, now you've got me confused!

[QUOTE=Dorman;1688853]
If Smoothy hasn't managed it and I haven't, and we've got a combined third of a century between us in stalking cewek in Blok M, then I doubt anyone else is going to do substantially better.[/QUOTE]There was a time, when you could find ceweks there. I think I've posted an FR long time ago about that girl when I was sitting near the food court on the 5th floor and the one when I was there with Obi Wan.

[QUOTE=Dorman;1688853]There was something distinctly odd about Pete33's conquests at Blok M Plaza,
If Smoothy hasn't managed it and I haven't, and we've got a combined third of a century between us in stalking cewek in Blok M, then I doubt anyone else is going to do substantially better.[/QUOTE]In the late 80's when Blok M plaza opened it was something of an oddity as it was one of the first malls where schoolkids and teenagers could hang out freely. Probably because of the bus terminal at the back (the new bus station hadn't been built). It's open plan design meant it was a great place to flirt going up and down the escalators and in the food basement. I can't remember actually picking up girls there but certainly flirting. Nobody had mobile phones though a few guys had pagers.

Faletahan had more antique shops and snooker halls than bars, by 4 pm Top Gun would be buzzing and overflowing with working girls, indeed it got so bad that the girls got barred from entering the back bar / restaurant of Top Gun so mister bule could get peace to drink his beer after work. Then suddenly in 1992 the working girls of Blok M / Melawai started to catch on to what was happening at Blok M Plaza and decided to get into some action within the Plaza. They started to wear school uniforms and frequent the plaza in the late afternoons. Obviously this began to upset the shopkeepers, as what had been built as a fairly high class mall was quickly becoming a den on iniquity.

A massive sweep and police raid was arranged with the support of TV channels. Dozens of girls were rounded up, my roommate who worked in the Matahari store nearly lost her job as a result, as she'd forgotten to carry her I'd card that day. Most Jakartans remember the incident and the Plaza did well to survive with it's reputation intact. Nostalgia moment over.

Moving onto today, I wouldn't regard the Plaza as a place to pick up girls. If a young attractive girl does approach you she is most probably trying to sell you a timeshare in Bali. Today if I was looking to pickup girls in the kavelings of the blok and was 30 years younger it would be in the basement of Blok M Square where there is an amazing collection of second hand bookshops and ripe young university girls looking for conversation.

Tambora DJ.

Great story Pete. Thanks for Sharing. I hear there was a Tanamur reunion recently. Did you attend that? I was out of town, but I'd be curious who made it.

[QUOTE=Dorman;1688853]There was something distinctly odd about Pete33's conquests at Blok M Plaza, he was asked about it twice in the forum to enlighten us as to his astonishing strike rate (he would literally walk in on a midweek afternoon and 15 minutes later he was humping some fresh kampung chick back at Wins). He made no reply and I noticed we haven't been hearing much about Blok M Plaza since.

If you hang around in the early evening there is a possibility, maybe, you might see girls who are shopping there (although it's more likely they'll be in the more down market Blok M Mall, or in the bus terminal arcade) before heading to work in Falatehan, but if you sit in Falatehan you'll meet them anyway and can enjoy a cold drink while waiting for them rather than wandering gormlessly around the mall looking like an obvious monger.

Just to confirm then and to avoid anyone else being confused, perhaps Pete33 had an astonishing ability to score chicks in Blok M Plaza, and he just is an amazing silver-tongued dashing chap who can sweep mid-afternoon shoppers off their feet, maybe, however I am inclined to believe he was getting them from somewhere else and for reasons best known to himself pretended he was picking them up in Blok M Plaza.

If Smoothy hasn't managed it and I haven't, and we've got a combined third of a century between us in stalking cewek in Blok M, then I doubt anyone else is going to do substantially better.[/QUOTE]I'd agree, I was one who asked Smoothy for clarity & have visited Blok M plaza umpteen time. I had no luck on either count. The girls just aren't there. I've had some success in Blok M mall, but he was clear that he hadn't got the places mixed up & I've also been lucky more than once whiling away some time having a tactical lunch break in the small park between Blok m plaza & Blok m mall. They were not beauties but it was an experience & they weren't pro's which was a bit different for me!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1688840]I am not certain, but I think her name is Ayu. She's the one in purple with the tattoo on her leg at the right side of this photo holding the girl wearing the red.[/QUOTE]That's Ayu allright. I had her in my room early this year, once together with Mila and once with Indi, and I wouldn't say she is way beyond her prime. Look in the Photo Gallery and judge for yourself.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1689195]That's Ayu allright. I had her in my room early this year, once together with Mila and once with Indi, and I wouldn't say she is way beyond her prime. Look in the Photo Gallery and judge for yourself.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]She claims that I was the first one to ever take her home from the Blok back in the early 2000's. Yuli had been around a while, but her sister showed up one day wearing one of those cheap looking sweaters that grandmothers wear in the kampung. She wasn't dressed sexy in any way. But she seemed so innocent that I had to take her home. And my friend wanted to take Yuli, so it just made sense. She had no tattoos back then and couldn't speak any English at all. I'm not sure how innocent she was though because she was pretty good in bed. Haha. To this day, whenever I visit Dees, she always makes a point to come up to me and say Hello, but I only took her home that one time more than 10 years ago. I actually think both sisters are quite nice to chat with. I spend more time talking with Yuli simply because she's one of the wait staff and more accessible.

[QUOTE=IbnButtita;1687583]

King's Cross impressed me. I didn't see any nude dancing that night, but with fine facilities and a nice looking selection of girls on the couches and at tables at the margins of the seating area I had a good feeling about the place. My friend quickly had a girl by his side, but my first selection, at a nearby table, shook her head no to my bule-hood.

This worked out well, since the next girl who caught my eye, in part for the Indian look to her, agreed to come over. While we had few language skills in common, Vita was friendly and we got along well (my friend, who spoke Bahasa, helped with the communication). Between this good humor and a nice thick ass, I was sold on her, paid the R580,000 hourly charge (I tipped 100 K after), and we headed up to the room in a crowded elevator full of mongers and their girls.

.[/QUOTE]Does Kings Cross have a 3 tier prices for girls? Above post said 580,000/ HR and another post had left side 350,000 and right side 450,000?

[QUOTE=Lucky7;1689025]I'd agree, I was one who asked Smoothy for clarity & have visited Blok M plaza umpteen time. I had no luck on either count. The girls just aren't there. I've had some success in Blok M mall, but he was clear that he hadn't got the places mixed up & I've also been lucky more than once whiling away some time having a tactical lunch break in the small park between Blok m plaza & Blok m mall. They were not beauties but it was an experience & they weren't pro's which was a bit different for me![/QUOTE]Just a little further info, albeit somewhat different to the rest of the thread. Last week I was with a mate in BlokM around 1 am and were feeling well rather hungry. So headed for some fast food behind BlokM Plaza.

So we headed out of Falatehan where the one-way starts, and turned left, then left again heading toward the bus station. This road had food carts, cooking up a storm for the locals and around 10 F / L's on motorbikes with their minder / pimps sitting with them or smoking in the gutter. Some of the girls looked pretty good. Young and arguably better than alot of the BlokM quality. I didn't see any old girls like some of the older species found in TopGun. Who are only their because they can speak English. This is pretty much the same as you will find in Mangga Besar or the road in front of Classic any night of the week. This is the first time I have ever noticed this scene, so I couldn't advise if it gets better or worse than I discovered that night. Now we had a few stops and chats and didn't find any english speakers, but some of the pimps were english speakers.

So crossing jl. Sissing (long name) . Street, we headed around blokM plaza to the north. Here there were lots of both young boys and girls. I didn't notice it as a FL scene, but just young kids out having a good time. But we were walking on and a food mission. If anyone has ever googled "cabe-cabean blokm" you will find some info on that area.

This street is one of the areas mentioned. And down to the park Taman Ayodya. Past KOI, where Jl Barito the bird street starts.

[QUOTE=Sharka;1689249]Does Kings Cross have a 3 tier prices for girls? Above post said 580,000/ HR and another post had left side 350,000 and right side 450,000?[/QUOTE]I was just there a few weeks ago. I hear they do have 580 k girls there. I'm not sure how to categorize them, but the mamasan can tell you. Last time I was there I saw a girl wearing a black outfit there who was so absolutely stunning, she may have been higher priced than the others. Seemed she was constantly booked though. As soon as she would walk in from a session, the mamasan would grab her and she would head back upstairs with another customer. I would have gladly given her 580k. But the mamasan has never mentioned that price to me. All I know is the ones on the left are 350 k and the ones on the right are 450 k. The girl I posted wearing the america outfit was 350k. I always give 100 k tip as well if the service is good. The mamasan did mention that "newbie" girls are more expensive, but I told her I didn't care if they were new or not. They also call some of the girls "free lance", they cost more. Maybe those are the 580k chicks? It's just coincidence that I have picked the cheap ones to this point. I am sure I will pick one of the more expensive ones eventually. I hear they have vietnamese girls for like 1.2 to 1.6 million as well, but I haven't seen them.

Funny enough, I rarely ever can tell the difference between the really expensive priced girls and the cheap girls at any of these places. The last girl I took at Malioboro was 1.2 million, but I'm not really sure why. I couldn't tell the difference between her and the girls I used to take there a few years ago for 350k.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1689278]Just a little further info, albeit somewhat different to the rest of the thread. Last week I was with a mate in BlokM around 1 am and were feeling well rather hungry. So headed for some fast food behind BlokM Plaza.

So we headed out of Falatehan where the one-way starts, and turned left, then left again heading toward the bus station. This road had food carts, cooking up a storm for the locals and around 10 F / L's on motorbikes with their minder / pimps sitting with them or smoking in the gutter. Some of the girls looked pretty good. Young and arguably better than alot of the BlokM quality. I didn't see any old girls like some of the older species found in TopGun. Who are only their because they can speak English. This is pretty much the same as you will find in Mangga Besar or the road in front of Classic any night of the week. This is the first time I have ever noticed this scene, so I couldn't advise if it gets better or worse than I discovered that night. Now we had a few stops and chats and didn't find any english speakers, but some of the pimps were english speakers.

So crossing jl. Sissing (long name) . Street, we headed around blokM plaza to the north. Here there were lots of both young boys and girls. I didn't notice it as a FL scene, but just young kids out having a good time. But we were walking on and a food mission. If anyone has ever googled "cabe-cabean blokm" you will find some info on that area.

This street is one of the areas mentioned. And down to the park Taman Ayodya. Past KOI, where Jl Barito the bird street starts.[/QUOTE]The taxis always like to run me by Hotel Mahakam looking for street girls if I don't find anything on the Blok. I agree that you can find better looking girls in the streets these days in that area than you can find on the blok for the most part.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1689278]Just a little further info, albeit somewhat different to the rest of the thread. Last week I was with a mate in BlokM around 1 am and were feeling well rather hungry. So headed for some fast food behind BlokM Plaza.

So we headed out of Falatehan where the one-way starts, and turned left, then left again heading toward the bus station. This road had food carts, cooking up a storm for the locals and around 10 F / L's on motorbikes with their minder / pimps sitting with them or smoking in the gutter. Some of the girls looked pretty good. Young and arguably better than alot of the BlokM quality. I didn't see any old girls like some of the older species found in TopGun. Who are only their because they can speak English. This is pretty much the same as you will find in Mangga Besar or the road in front of Classic any night of the week. This is the first time I have ever noticed this scene, so I couldn't advise if it gets better or worse than I discovered that night. Now we had a few stops and chats and didn't find any english speakers, but some of the pimps were english speakers.

So crossing jl. Sissing (long name) . Street, we headed around blokM plaza to the north. Here there were lots of both young boys and girls. I didn't notice it as a FL scene, but just young kids out having a good time. But we were walking on and a food mission. If anyone has ever googled "cabe-cabean blokm" you will find some info on that area.

This street is one of the areas mentioned. And down to the park Taman Ayodya. Past KOI, where Jl Barito the bird street starts.[/QUOTE]There was a time that, thanks to the presence of hotel Mahakam, you could pick up girls from those food stalls. Not to mention the banci's not far from there.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1689315]Not to mention the banci's not far from there.[/QUOTE]Those damn bencong hanging out near Dharmawansa were the reason I would not want to live there. They used to stand right near the friggin taxis, so if you wanted a taxi, you had to walk right past them.

I have not been but I hear there is a new shopping mall in Kemang across from the LE Codefin hotel. Any luck at the mall or experience with the hotel?

Has anyone tried Mawar massage at the'Best on Jalan Fatmawati?

[QUOTE=Menteng;1685912]My favorite was Tasya.[/QUOTE]I found Tasya's 2005 My Bar calendar page for you.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1688360]I've probably been to Blok M Plaza 1000 times (literally) and I've never picked up a girl there. I think there is only one guy in the history of this forum who has posted that he took girls from there (Pete33). He did find a few very nice ones, but I would not recommend that as a pickup spot. Oh wait, Bulai did post once that he picked up a girl there at the cinema about 10 years ago. But that was that one crazy pelatehan chick who everyone in Jakarta has shagged at one point.

As far as malls, you can possibly pick up girls at any mall in town (or McDonald's or KFC, or wherever). Blok M Plaza is not a special pickup spot. I remember Bulai used to frequently post about his conquests picking up girls at Plaza Indonesia. There's a guy working at the American embassy who hangs out in Plaza Indonesia passing out his business cards with a 100,000 rupiah note around it asking them to call him if they would like to go to dinner some time. (I know this because the girl I was with there one time told me he just gave her that card. We then watched him give out cards to other girls as well. LOL) So any mall can be a hunting ground. Pasaraya used to have a little bar where the girls would go looking for short time action in the afternoon, but that bar closed years ago. Atrium mall is the famous mall for picking up girls looking for action. There used to be frequent posts about that mall on this forum. I haven't seen one post in years though. I stayed too far south to make it worth my while to go there. That mall was mainly frequented by Arabs looking for free lancers, but it's not limited to only Arabs. And the girls who went there are well aware that it was a pickup spot. I think I read that the police were cracking down on that at that mall, but I have no verification of that.

Has anyone hunted at Mal Atrium lately?[/QUOTE]To Smoothy.

I did go to Atrium a few month ago to check thing out only see about 8 girl working the mall all 5 and below and most of them want half a million for ST. I have pick up WG there in the past for 400 k LT I also have luck at Plaza Indoneasia and Senaya in the past but not anymore.

Fast eddie 48.

We were at Malioboro a couple of weeks ago, and it was my first time there. We were told by the male host in his broken English that the stage girls would cost 1. 5 million rupiah and that was only for a BJ. I just about passed out. The girls on the side tables, of which maybe there were a couple dozen girls of different nationalities, would go upstairs for full service for 1 million, give or take, he said, depending on which nationality, but these girls paled in looks to the bikini girls. Can someone please tell me were we misled by him or this is a fact that the girls in the colored bikinis only do BJs? If this is the case
can one successfully attempt to get their phone number and arrange something after they are off or can you tip them for full service in the rooms upstairs? Of course, I would prefer them LT? I normally would prefer an easier option, but some of these girls in Malioboro were so stunning I feel they are worth pursuing .

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1689631]I found Tasya's 2005 My Bar calendar page for you.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much! I never had a chance with her because she was with that British dude at that time. So I had her sister L instead.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;1689703]We were at Malioboro a couple of weeks ago, and it was my first time there. We were told by the male host in his broken English that the stage girls would cost 1. 5 million rupiah and that was only for a BJ. I just about passed out. The girls on the side tables, of which maybe there were a couple dozen girls of different nationalities, would go upstairs for full service for 1 million, give or take, he said, depending on which nationality, but these girls paled in looks to the bikini girls. Can someone please tell me were we misled by him or this is a fact that the girls in the colored bikinis only do BJs? If this is the case
can one successfully attempt to get their phone number and arrange something after they are off or can you tip them for full service in the rooms upstairs? Of course, I would prefer them LT? I normally would prefer an easier option, but some of these girls in Malioboro were so stunning I feel they are worth pursuing .[/QUOTE]I've taken the dancers before. They have full sex, not only BJ. At least the ones I took.

Once they are in the room with you, you can get their phone number. It's not normally very easy to meet them outside Malioboro though. If they do agree to meet you, it's normally when they are on their period so they have the day off.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1689465]Has anyone tried Mawar massage at the'Best on Jalan Fatmawati?[/QUOTE]Mate of mine dropped in there a few years ago now, got a pretty lazy hand job. He tried quite a few of those "suburban" parlors and more often than not got a happy ending.

A friend of mine, not me you see, had reason to be researching the age of consent in Indonesia recently. It seems to be 16 for females and 19 for males. So does that mean that us horny old geezers can be shagging 16 year old girls, but young horny 18 year old boys cannot? Seems frustrating.

Oh, and my friend will be checking KTPs from now on to ensure full compliance with the law at all times.

I wanted to say thank you to all of you who provided me with public and private information. I spent a total of 13 days in Jakarta, and it now ranks as perhaps my favorite city in the word for hanging out and "playing" our wonderful hobby. Note, when I say city, I am not including pure "fuck dens" like pattaya and Angeles- those are places devoted to fucking, and are just different animals. I owe a trip report, and will get to it as soon as I crawl out of work madness in about a week or so.

I frequented discos in Kota- Mille's and Serra (darkest, literally, club in the universe); Travel and Malioboro, a soapy place also in Kota (will look up the name soon, but the alley down a few blocks from the Mercure), BATS and Cjs (The current band at BATS is fantastic, FYI), and met woman also through Indo Cupid in Jakarta and Bandung (both non pay for pussy). The diversity of the scene is fantastic! Long time freelancer from BATS, massage girls in the rooms (ALL hotels I stayed at had massage girls offering extras- Mercure, Millenium, and one in Bandung), Indo Cupid women who just wanted to hang and fuck, an MC at a cultural show (go dumb luck!), an extasy head from Mille's- I LOVE this place. The quality of GFE is ALMOST as good as the PI, and would be as good, I would guess, if I spoke some Bahasa. Personally, I find the women better looking then anywhere else in Asia, but that is only personal tastes. I like my women to have some hip and booob, which many, many women here have.

I also did a bunch of fun day time stuff- hanging around listening to various bands and preformances in Fatahilla Square in old Batavia (love that place when you get away from the vendors and just hang listening to music), eating Karadok there after daily power walks around through the old dutch buildings, sunrise walks (go jet lag) around Chinatown / Glodok markets, chatting up cuties in the up scale plaza Indonesia, ect ect.

So, thank you and stay tuned for a trip report from my new happy place, Jakarta.

I loved it so much, I am evening starting to do some study of Bahasa Indonesia for future trips.

So, again, for all of you who post such good information, Terima Kasih!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1689715]I've taken the dancers before. They have full sex, not only BJ. At least the ones I took.

Once they are in the room with you, you can get their phone number. It's not normally very easy to meet them outside Malioboro though. If they do agree to meet you, it's normally when they are on their period so they have the day off.[/QUOTE]Thanks Smoothy, you definitely provide valuable information and your contributions are much appreciated. On the next trip, I will definitely have to take one of these dancers up there. I don't mind paying a slight premium as the quality of these girls is unbelievable. I have been to many mongering locations in Asia, and I thought the quality of these girls was the best I have seen.

Make sure to ask the girl if you can "ML" (making love) in the room just to be sure it's on the cards. I've had some of the dancers tell me that they do not go upstairs and others tell me they do. I'm not sure why some say they don't go upstairs. Maybe I had bad breath? It sure as hell can't be because I'm too well endowed.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1689932]Make sure to ask the girl if you can "ML" (making love) in the room just to be sure it's on the cards. I've had some of the dancers tell me that they do not go upstairs and others tell me they do. I'm not sure why some say they don't go upstairs. Maybe I had bad breath? It sure as hell can't be because I'm too well endowed.[/QUOTE]OMG- too funny. I will take heed of your advice.

SB.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1689791]A friend of mine, not me you see, had reason to be researching the age of consent in Indonesia recently. It seems to be 16 for females and 19 for males. So does that mean that us horny old geezers can be shagging 16 year old girls, but young horny 18 year old boys cannot?[/QUOTE]Nope. A rookie error and common misunderstanding on the age of consent.

Full legal age to have sex in Indonesia is 21. Under the age of 21, family of the minor can still start civil action against you for kidnapping.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1688993]In the late 80's when Blok M plaza opened it was something of an oddity as it was one of the first malls where schoolkids and teenagers could hang out freely. Probably because of the bus terminal at the back (the new bus station hadn't been built). It's open plan design meant it was a great place to flirt going up and down the escalators and in the food basement. I can't remember actually picking up girls there but certainly flirting. Nobody had mobile phones though a few guys had pagers.

Faletahan had more antique shops and snooker halls than bars, by 4 pm Top Gun would be buzzing and overflowing with working girls, indeed it got so bad that the girls got barred from entering the back bar / restaurant of Top Gun so mister bule could get peace to drink his beer after work. Then suddenly in 1992 the working girls of Blok M / Melawai started to catch on to what was happening at Blok M Plaza and decided to get into some action within the Plaza. They started to wear school uniforms and frequent the plaza in the late afternoons. Obviously this began to upset the shopkeepers, as what had been built as a fairly high class mall was quickly becoming a den on iniquity.

A massive sweep and police raid was arranged with the support of TV channels. Dozens of girls were rounded up, my roommate who worked in the Matahari store nearly lost her job as a result, as she'd forgotten to carry her I'd card that day. Most Jakartans remember the incident and the Plaza did well to survive with it's reputation intact. Nostalgia moment over.

Moving onto today, I wouldn't regard the Plaza as a place to pick up girls. If a young attractive girl does approach you she is most probably trying to sell you a timeshare in Bali. Today if I was looking to pickup girls in the kavelings of the blok and was 30 years younger it would be in the basement of Blok M Square where there is an amazing collection of second hand bookshops and ripe young university girls looking for conversation.

Tambora DJ.[/QUOTE]That is a great post.

I think Pete33 was pulling from the area described by Hard Hat Mate / Menteng.

That, or opposite Melawai (Maribaya) were there are some nice girls available in the early evening hours, on the corner close to the busstop. It is equidistant from WIN hotel.

On occasion, I noticed the opportunistic "nod" in Blok M plaza, but yes, not a pick-up point nowadays. Blok M mall / Blok M square (they connect underneath) might be better, but not by much. If that. The girls you meet there can be really below standard - comparatively, to the blok M bars.

Hmmm, can you provide a reference for this? I have been searching and keep coming up with the same ages as I posted earlier. I did find newspaper articles where foreigners had been prosecuted in Indonesia, but the ages mentioned were as I previously posted.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;1690051]Nope. A rookie error and common misunderstanding on the age of consent.

Full legal age to have sex in Indonesia is 21. Under the age of 21, family of the minor can still start civil action against you for kidnapping.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1690071]Hmmm, can you provide a reference for this? I have been searching and keep coming up with the same ages as I posted earlier. I did find newspaper articles where foreigners had been prosecuted in Indonesia, but the ages mentioned were as I previously posted.[/QUOTE]You'll have to work Google a little harder. The search button on this thread may work as well.

Definition of a minor according to the child welfare act (hukum perlindungan anak) and civil code - "a person who has not reached the age of 21 and has not been married".

In the eyes of Indonesian Law, having sex with a girl younger than 21, is having sex with a minor.

So for full compliance, yes, check those KTP's.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;1690144]You'll have to work Google a little harder. The search button on this thread may work as well.
[/QUOTE]Searching this thread shows that it seems to be a very poorly understood situation. People quoting 16,17, and 18 with links to various websites. You and one other guy talking about being charged with kidnapping under 21. Another guy said he was staying with a girl who was 26 and he still had a 'problem' with the police.

I'm just going to try to stuff these worms back into the can and carry on.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1690167]Searching this thread shows that it seems to be a very poorly understood situation. People quoting 16,17, and 18 with links to various websites. I'm just going to try to stuff these worms back into the can and carry on.[/QUOTE]Before you stuff yourself back in the can along with them, have a look and see what is age of consent of whatever authority issued the passsport you are travelling with.

Had a laugh with a friend who said she refuses to go there anymore after being propositioned twice, once when getting money from the ATM and once while waiting for her sister who was doing the clothes trying on thing in the shops. She said she sat down outside the shop on a bench and a gentleman sat down next to her and inquired " bayar berapa neng" "how much miss". When the penny dropped what he meant she was really pissed and called security but the security guy just laughed and explained to her the previously unknown workings of Atrium Mall to her. She said that the security will for a small fee, assist in the matchmaking by approaching the apple of your eye for you. Should you not be as brave as the aforementioned gentleman.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;1690361]Had a laugh with a friend who said she refuses to go there anymore after being propositioned twice, once when getting money from the ATM and once while waiting for her sister who was doing the clothes trying on thing in the shops. She said she sat down outside the shop on a bench and a gentleman sat down next to her and enquired " bayar berapa neng" "how much miss". When the penny dropped what he meant she was really pissed and called security but the security guy just laughed and explained to her the previously unknown workings of Atrium Mall to her. She said that the security will for a small fee, assist in the matchmaking by approaching the apple of your eye for you. Should you not be as brave as the aforementioned gentleman.[/QUOTE]So "bayar berapa neng" is how you ask. I like that. When I first arrived in town, the guy I asked told me to say "berapa memek". That one doesn't work well. Good to know security will help. He is there every day so he should be able to recommend the hottest chicks. I bet he has a few numbers in his cell phone.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1690167] You and one other guy talking about being charged with kidnapping under 21.[/QUOTE]Well, that other guy is right. Full legal age to have sex in Indonesia is 21. Period.

It is a dodgy question you have in the first place. If you get caught out, you can forget about your "age of consent" story. You are having sex with a minor. Parents give consent, minors can not.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;1690454]
It is a dodgy question you have in the first place. If you get caught out, you can forget about your "age of consent" story.[/QUOTE]

I think you are making assumptions about a situation which you know nothing about.

There is nothing dodgy about making sure one understands the local laws, especially one where in this very forum there are many different answers to the same question.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1690460]There is nothing dodgy about making sure one understands the local laws[/QUOTE]Why am I wasting my time with an obtuse poster? I just explained the local laws to you, my friend.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;1690478]Why am I wasting my time with an obtuse poster? I just explained the local laws to you, my friend.[/QUOTE]Did I say you were wrong? No. Did I say there is a lot of confusion and misinformation out there on the issue. Yes.

Welcome to my ignore list fuckwit.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;1690144]You'll have to work Google a little harder. The search button on this thread may work as well.[/QUOTE]The Shooter's mediocre Googling skills have come up with:

Age of Majority is 21; Age of Consent for females is 16 (sources Wikipedia, ChildSafe International, Family Online Safety Institute).

There was an informative post in 2013 by Cooldoe:

[QUOTE=Cooldoe;1382385]Age of consent is 18 according Hukum Perlindungan Anak, but full fledged legal age is 21.

Before 21 the parent can still sue you on behalf of the girl for kidnapping.

Unless you got caught red handed or she stay with your for couple of days, usually not a big deal in Indonesia.

If you got caught, the main concern is the parents.[/QUOTE]All a bit murky. Best to stick with the MILFs!

[QUOTE=DoubleShooter;1690631]Best to stick with the MILFs![/QUOTE]Just to be safe, my new policy is to never go to bed with a lady under 60 years old. That should solve the problem.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1690686]Just to be safe, my new policy is to never go to bed with a lady under 60 years old. That should solve the problem.[/QUOTE]Afraid that can still be a problem, as you need to be married to them to have sex without repercussions under adat law.

I attended a seminar on this topic some time ago, and the concensus was you can only have sex with a girl under 21 if you are married to them. Either nikah or kawin siri will suffice. Some forms of marraige can last 6 hours I believe, which is something available in the puncak which deserves more reports on this forum.

There is an old colonial joke when a girl asks if you are married (usually pronounced marret) you should say "kawin sering nikah belum".

The other option for cegee is for "his friend" to consider having sex with Indonesia's 3rd legal defined sexuality. Not male, not female, but something in between and over 21 of course.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1690718]Afraid that can still be a problem, as you need to be married to them to have sex without repercussions under adat law.

I attended a seminar on this topic some time ago, and the concensus was you can only have sex with a girl under 21 if you are married to them. Either nikah or kawin siri will suffice. Some forms of marraige can last 6 hours I believe, which is something available in the puncak which deserves more reports on this forum.[/QUOTE]I know some Arabs do that. Come to town for a month, marry a girl in the kampung and shag her silly for that month, then go home leaving the girl with nothing (except maybe a baby to take care of on her own for the rest of her life). I always thought it was just a scam to end up paying as little as possible for sex while in Indonesia. (I still do think that.) That seems FAR more unethical than paying the girl a fair amount of money for services rendered.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1690722]I know some Arabs do that. Come to town for a month, marry a girl in the kampung and shag her silly for that month, then go home leaving the girl with nothing (except maybe a baby to take care of on her own for the rest of her life). I always thought it was just a scam to end up paying as little as possible for sex while in Indonesia. (I still do think that.) That seems FAR more unethical than paying the girl a fair amount of money for services rendered.[/QUOTE]I agree, it seems comparatively unethical. But it does explain why you meet so many Sundanese girls in CJs of Arab origin or looks. All these girls have the same old story that their Dad died in a car crash.

Over 60 years of age. Well, if it is someone like Marion Bloem, she is 62, I would be tempted.

( Link is not working, please find attached.)

Thanks for digging that Cooldoe post up, it is how I understood it as well and agrees what UsPete is writing down below.

[QUOTE=DoubleShooter;1690631]There was an informative post in 2013 by Cooldoe:

All a bit murky. Best to stick with the MILFs![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;1690814]Over 60 years of age. Well, if it is someone like Marion Bloem, she is 62, I would be tempted.[/QUOTE]Is she working the 6th floor at Hotel Melawai? If so, I'd like to try that out.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1690827]Is she working the 6th floor at Hotel Melawai? If so, I'd like to try that out.[/QUOTE]She's a well-known author / artist in the Netherlands and very famous in the Dutch-Indonesian community.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;1690144]In the eyes of Indonesian Law, having sex with a girl younger than 21, is having sex with a minor.[/QUOTE]In Indonesia the national age of consent for heterosexual sexual activity is 19 years for males and 16 years for females. The age of consent for homosexuals is 18. In 2002, the Indonesian Government gave Aceh province the right to introduce Islamic sharia, albeit only to Muslim residents. Fifty two regions have since enacted sharia law from the Qur'an, which criminalizes homosexuality. Remember, if you are a citizen or a legal resident of USA, the USA laws carries. Depending upon what USA state you are, the legal age of consent in USA varies from 14 to 18. In California, it is 18. So, if you are from California, it does not stop you having sex with a 16 year old in Indonesia if no money is exchanged and it is consensual.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1690827]Is she working the 6th floor at Hotel Melawai? If so, I'd like to try that out.[/QUOTE]For 62, she's still pretty hot, but as Menteng correctly points out, she is a famous artist/writer in the Dutch/Indo community. I doubt she will consider a career change.

There is a small segment of women available in Jakarta that approach her class, I believe. Last year I went out with a couple of young Filipino gigolo's entertaining wealthy older girls, which was quite an eye-opener.

At LifeIsABeach. Sorry mate, that subject is completely done and dusted as far as I am concerned. I believe you may also have missed the point that it is not about the age of consent, but legal age. Please refer to the information captured by posts from Cooldoe an UsPete down below.

I have changed my opinion of this place--on the 6th floor of the Melawai Hotel--based on some good recent experiences there. As background, about five years ago after hearing some people rave about it, I visited Maribaya and had a rather poor session there. And maybe a couple of years ago, I visited a couple of times, and left both times without a session given there were few girls and the ones there were not attractive.

Accordingly, I gave up on the place, at least until now.

On my most recent trip to Jakarta, I decided to give it another chance. On each of three visits, there were between maybe fifteen and twenty girls available, and while [I]on average[/I] they weren't stellar in looks, there were a few each time that met my standards. I ended up sessioning wtih Daella (sp?) the first time, and because she was unavailable the next time I chose Dewi. I then repeated with Dewi on my third visit. All visits were during the afternoon shift.

I can recommend both Daella and Dewi. GFE and no problem getting two shots. Although the price is perhaps a bit higher than it should be--600 K rupiah plus a small tip and no complementary (in fact, rather expensive) water--I will visit again. A good alternative for me to the Kota places for on site-recreation.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1690727]But it does explain why you meet so many Sundanese girls in CJs of Arab origin or looks. All these girls have the same old story that their Dad died in a car crash.[/QUOTE]I met a gorgeous half arab, half Indo girl through CL awhile ago. She had amazing large tits that unfortunately had been dragged downwards by child rearing. The service was not as good as it could have been, but wow was she nice to look at. She sent me some photos that I recognized as being taken inside a Mulia room, so perhaps she is a regular at CJs, I don't know. She told me her mother was still in Jakarta, but did not have anything to say when I asked about her father.

I can't remember if it was this forum or another country, but I remember somebody commenting that Arab women are some of the most beautiful in the world, but also the most covered up. Given this girls looks, I would definitely do more research given half a chance.

[QUOTE=DoubleShooter;1690631]
All a bit murky. Best to stick with the MILFs![/QUOTE]Indeed, rather murky, which was my point as well, although it is Indonesia so maybe we should not be surprised. I did find the post by the guy who said he still had police issues when staying with a 26 year old interesting. He didn't give many details, but he was staying at her place rather than bringing her back to a hotel so perhaps he upset the neighbors / parents. Who knows, never safe to assume.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1691825]I can't remember if it was this forum or another country, but I remember somebody commenting that Arab women are some of the most beautiful in the world, but also the most covered up. Given this girls looks, I would definitely do more research given half a chance.[/QUOTE]I have mongered in Arab countries and yes indeed, they are not only full bodied and gorgeous but sex wise, they do whatever to satisfy the men. It's the culture. Morocco is a good place to venture, a bit pricy when you add up all the costs but I just love those Arab women. To me, it is worth the price.

Sometimes I've seen people asking if there is anything going on near the airport during their layover. There is a spa in the "Orchardz Hotel" about a 10/15 minute drive from the airport.

1 hour massage is 250.000 IDR, price for FS depends on your negotiating skills but should be around 2/300.000 IDR. Nothing special but its clean, close to the airport and they get the job done.

I've also heard good things about the spa at the FM7 hotel, similar price level but I haven't had a chance to try it out yet. Will give an update when I do.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1691840]I have mongered in Arab countries and yes indeed, they are not only full bodied and gorgeous but sex wise, they do whatever to satisfy the men. It's the culture.[/QUOTE]I don't know which Arab countries you're referring to, but having mongered for years in Morocco and Egypt (I am an Egyptian), nothing beats the good old Indonesians / Thais / Filipinas for the 'to do whatever it takes to satisfy' me. Try asking an Arab cewek to give you a blowjob, multiple rounds, rimjob or a nice little massage and see her reaction (it won't work). The only thing I like about the Arab is the bodies and vocals / moans, they tend to be really loud during sex and that is a turn on.

First, thanks to all of you who answered all my stupid questions. Here is my attempt to pay back, a very small bit.

Let me lay it out. A few things first. I almost did not write this, as I am super, super busy. So, I am not going to do a lot (read, any) of editing, and it is scattered, and some of the descriptions and details are better in some sections than the other. Also, this is written with a certain audience in mind- the experienced monger but the newbie to Jakarta. I may come back and add more later, but at least I will answer questions. I know I should write about the various areas of the city and draw some distinctions for guidance, but not now.

As always, I like to start with the bottom line, my assessment: this is my favorite big city to monger in- period. Better than Lima, better than Medellin, better than Bangkok- a few of my favorites. Now, let me draw a distinction between big city mongering and places like Pattaya, Angeles or Sosua- those are places to fuck. At least for mongers. They are not cities, and the experience is very, very different. I love AC- it is my favorite place to monger, but it is a dump. A dump I love, but a dump.

Jakarta is a world class megalopolis. According to one study, it is the third largest urban area in the world with 27 million economically connected souls. It is vast. And perhaps more than any other mega city, its culture radiates throughout. When people say they can't find anything to do during the day- fault their imagination and spirit and not this great city. I can sit for hour listening to bands in Fatahillah Square. One day, there was punk band, a gamelan band, folks singers, performance artists, a clown of sorts, and tons of others performing all at the same time. I did not even touch the vast majority of the neighborhoods in my to total of ten days, and I was fascinated and enthralled.

Now, if you hate big cities with big city problems- stay the fuck away. The traffic can be mad, and you have to plan accordingly, but I had no problem doing so. Basically, I stayed in North Jakarta for half the trip and in Central the other, and build my experiences around those locations during the day. Late at night, not a big deal.

Also, if you want 24/7 pussy within a ten minute walk, 24 hours a day, and want everyone to speak English and cater to your every need- stay away. This not for you. This is adventurous mongering; but not in the sense that you have to work go get laid and have great experiences. Great experiences with amazing women are so everywhere- you just have to be open to a bit of a different vibe, and most people you will encounter outside of the big hotels will not speak English very well, if at all.

Let me get to what you really care about now- pussy, and then I will fill in some more of the details. Again, I may come back and give some more info later. Let me also say, Jakarta is one of the best places for food, street food and other, on the planet. I don't know about western food- I don't eat it at home.

Mongering venues / types.

Jakarta was an amazing place to monger! The variety of experiences or potential for experiences is immense. Freelancer bars, massage parlors that are really fuck joints, real massage parlors with plus plus (hand job, blow job, fuck), all inclusive spas (medium end and high end), a soapy or two, discos (with working girls and semi pros), street walkers, KTVs, in room massages that almost always offer more- I am sure I am missing some of the vast variety, it is off the hook. Ten days is not enough, and I missed a shit ton.

1) Ex pat hooker bars, high end. BATS, short for the Bar at the Shangri La Hotel- fucking loved that places. Spendy for drinks, so you have to nurse them, but it was a high end (ish) bar with a killer American funk band (for the next six months) and dozens and dozens of amazing women. I mean, each night I was there (three) I could have easily picked ten women. I'll talk about the women later- see one of my live stories for a description.

CJs- bar in the Gran Mulia hotel- similar, with a less wonderful band, and even a more upscale vibe.

Prices- short time $60-100, LT $80-140, depending on your negotiating skills. I went with the same girl (fucking off the hook GFE) twice. I asked her if she wanted to talk money or if she wanted to trust me- she opted for the later and got about 90 bucks- she was more than thrilled to go with me again, so that was not an issue. She was Javanese, and was wonderful. The second night she stayed until 4 pm. Dark skin, big be nearly see cup, very, very slender everywhere else with a touch of hip and ass- classic Indonesian body-perhaps my favorite body type on earth!

2) Blok M- I did not go, shame on me. Tons of expat bars on the south side of town, about 40 percent less than the bars price wise, according to what I read.

3) Travel hotel and other fuck MPs- 30 dollars for an hour. Travel hotel- the best line up I have just about ever seen. The place is a quasi massage parlor that really looks more like an old, "fancy" Cantonese style new year restaurant / entertainment center. The girls sit on coaches and you talk to them or not, pull one, and then off to fuck in a very solid, clean room. Lots of these places in North Jakarta. (see below).

4) Malioboro ALexis Hotel, and other other all encompassing men's entertainment complexes. I only went to two- Malioboro, and a lower level one. The nicest spa I have ever seen. Amazing talent. They also have karaoke, a disco, ect ect. At some of them you can get not only women, but Chinese, Uzbek, Viet, ect. Those are much more. An hour and a half fuck with an Indo chick at a very upscale place is about 80 bucks- this also includes all day at the spa- jacuzzi, sauna, ect. Drinks are not included, and non indo girls go for a lot more at some of the places. I did not spend enough time at these- they felt like they would be more fun with a wingman.

5) Kota trance discos- OMG. Jane and I, my Filipina non working girl who I flew out for my final weekend in Jakarta, went to the DARKEST club I have ever been in (as in, NO light). Siera- right near Lokasari. You literally have to sit there for about ten minute and let your eyes adjust so you don't hurt yourself. It is dank, dark, loud, amazingly crazy place with people of all ages. That is what shocked Jane, there were 16 and 60 year old there. We were the only non Indonesian, and I the only white guy.

Funny side note- everyone thought she was Indo, and when they rattled off Bahasa Indonesia to her she would become very flustered- I would then say that she was Filipaina. Everyone seemed to get a kick out of the 28 year old hottie and her 40 plus bule.

Another club- Milles' has hundreds of people, and dozens of hot girls, many not freelancers, but many would love to go home with a nice Bule (Westerner) in exchange for a bit of help, or NOT. Still, this is a place where you want to be young or young in spirit, with a bit of street smarts, or at least have been a lot of dance clubs. I have been going to this type of club for a long, long time, so fit right in. I look at lot younger than my age (I lie and say I am 35), and did not get a lot of looks. My third night (second night at the club) I took home a very, very high 20 something year old on ecstasy. Lots of passion, lots of sex, lots of incoherent Bahasa Indonesia rambling. I took her at 5 am and she left at dinner time. No money exchanged.

There are several other discos in Kota / North Jakarta that I did not go to, and would want to check out, in particular the Golden Crown.

4) Indo Cupid- Dating site- I met two women from it. A 45 year old MILF and a 27 year old in the other city I traveled to. I am going to keep those details out of the report just to make sure I don't shit where I eat- sorry to be vague.

Both cute but nothing great looking. But fucked me within two hours of meeting. Both good in bed and GFE. The 27 year old I saw twice- we bucked all night both nights. No money exchanged with either, but I did buy the younger one a pair of 30 dollar shoes at the mall. As they say, even free pussy costs.

5) In room massage- Even in the straight business hotel in my other city the massage girls would do whatever I wanted for the price. It even had a KTV with working girls. In all three of my hotels in Jakarta I got blow job happy endings from all, fucked one, and could have fucked all (but one). I had massage every day. Perhaps not as good as the best in Thailand, but very good.

6) Street walkers- Most of the one's in Lokasari Square are fucking ugly. I did find one that was very cute. The momason started off wanting 60 bucks. I laughed and started to walk- she spent three delightful hours for 30 bucks.

Lokasari, BTW, is an entertainment complex that is VERY late night and lower / lower middle class Indonesian only, for the most part.

6) Straight bars- I LOVE upscale bars in Jakarta. The women are so fuckign amazing looking, and everyone that I tried to engage was more than glad to talk to me. Mind you, don't dress like a fucking tool in trendy places here or anywhere in the world. I am not taking suit and tie, but try to dress with a bit of style so you can fit in, and spark the fantasy that you have money and might be a catch. I wore black jeans, a black slim dress shirt, black semi-dress shoes I always wear. Again, this is my style and do what you want, but if you're going to go to Lucy in the Sky and other clubs like that, you'll just look like an idiot of you're not dressed a bit hip.

On a night I knew I was going to BATS I went to several of the upscale bars and made a game of getting numbers from as many women as I could- it was fairly easy to make connections with women 20 years plus younger. I love this place.

7) I had two other freebies- one a mall pick up and the other the MC of a cultural performance- I will leave those off the trip report. That said, the point is that there is a lot of interest in Bule here if you have any game whatsoever. We have a nigh exotic factor here, and that especially holds true of you have blue or green eyes. Both were GFE. As with most here, great nipple lickers, solid kissers, average blow jobers but willing to take instruction and work on it- loved to fuck hard.

As mentioned, here are two "live" trip reports I wrote will there. Some details to give you a sense of what some of these places are like.

Hotel Travel (spa).

Picture a massive chinese restaurant from the 1920's that had live bands, say, San Francisco or New York City Chinatown. Keep the decor on the walls and ceiling. On one end, a live band is playing indonesian pop. But more relevant to the sick fucks who will read this, on the other end, sitting on 4 huge semi circle couches, are about 75 Indonesia girls who will give you a "massage" for 30 bucks. I am not sure if a massage has ever been given here; its a working girl house. Not only that, it is the working girl house with perhaps the best looking women that I have ever seen in a pay for pussy spot. At least ten were 9's, if not more. A ten is a nine with a great attitude, to me, so lets call them nines. A lot of spinners Indo style, which means very small waists with with some hip and ass, and sometimes be to see cup boobs, if not more. Amazing line up.

The drill is this; you come in and they give you a bracelet with a number on it. Everything you charge is charged to that, and with the exception of the girl, you pay at the end. My pineapple juice was two bucks and change.

The place seems to be run, or at least the floor is run, by momasons. The place was crowded, mostly Indonesia guys out on the town, listening to the music, talking to friends, or interviewing their potential one hour loves. I ask to be seated up front, and was taken to a table with with a couple of mommys on it. Immediately, they start the hard sell. I get my message across that I am chilling out, and that seems to really be just fine; its a place for hanging, but they will also try to sell you.

I find in places like this is good to see which ones are "choosing you" and then "choose from them. " This might be especially true here, as Bules are seemingly not that common (I am the only one for the hour I was sipping my juice on a Saturday night). I smile at ones looking in my direction, and most look away, with the exception of perhaps four or five. Mind you, this is from the couch I was nearest, so about 5 out of 15 seemed very friendly. The most friendly kept waving at me; mommy tells me she likes me. I tell mommy, who speaks barely passable English, that she like everyone. Mommy says, no, not true, she usually shy, no wave. My gut tells me mommy is being straight up. This is important here, as I have read that this place, while having some of the best eye candy, and especially for the price, in Jakarta, has many starfish.

Too late- someone calls her over. OMG, she is fucking off the charts sexy. Really not my body type, she is far more of a spinner than I care for, but a flawless face. Damn! Wait, she walks back to her seat. I tell mommy to bring her over, and with her red laser pointer (the place seems is like a light show of dancing red lasers) she beckons her to come to me. And now, before me, is one of the most beautiful women I have seen, and I am about to fuck her.

We sit for only five minutes- no pressure at all for ladies drinks. In fact, I try to buy her one, and her English is not understood. We go upstairs to the room through the door that says massage, up two flights of stairs, it looks like a medium and spa. The room that she escorts me into, is decant. A real bed and nice red lights- clean. The details: a nice fuck from an amazingly hot 20 year old into. GFE light- it took me a while to get her to kiss, but once she did, it was nice. Great enthusiastic ball licking, average blow job. Great little ass while doggy. I am really tired, so when I feel it coming on after about fifteen minutes, I don't hold back. Not warm and cuddly, but with tip and drink I am out the door for under 40 bucks to bang a near model quality Javanese women. Stunning.

BTW, while this is one of the most written about spas in Kota in English, there are a fuck ton of these places.

Mille's.

Not for the conservative, point and shoot, I want a place with plenty of other white faces to validate my safety. Mille's is first and second a club for middle class (ish) Jakartans from the north of the city to take extasy and dance their assess off their local version of electronica and house. Mill's crowd is mostly twenties and thirties, if you don't feel comfortable or know how to blend in with a house music electronica crowd, you may not feel comfortable. If you have never been around a bunch of people on X, you may not feel comfortable. If you want point and shoot from girls who will most certainly speak English, you will not be comfortable. If going to Calle 6 in Costa Rica once during the day is the most adventurous you ever were?: stay the fuck away.

If you like to live outside of the box, if you love (or can tolerate) house music, if you don't need to know that every girl in the places in on the program, if you like to dance, if you just like a bit of a seedy, funky, new environment, that the little surprises of mongering are what get you going; this is a place you will love.

Day two, and I am in that liminal state of not being horney from a happy ending BJ job in my room and not being able to sleep. I will just chill out, I say to myself, wait for sleep to come, start a new.

Fuck it. 2:22 and I am out the door. My hotel gets me a metered cab to Lokarasi Square- cost under two bucks with the meter. Log that fact as you will get a sense of potential costs later if you get the cabs right in the place.

Melle's. First, let me say, I love it. Down a back street in Lokasari (will talk about another time). In front of the elevator, a couple of drug dealers ask if I need anything. Ecstasy is the flavor of the day- I mess with nothing outside the US (except for strange pussy, of course).

Out the elevator and to the hotel / disco- far nicer than I would have thought. Steep cover for her $12.50, which actually is a good thing as it means you had to have SOME resources to come in.

First, the place is dark. Dark dark dark dark- if you were interested in taking someone home, you would have to really make sure to get a good look in the light before you committed to action. And, it is clear that there are many "types" of girls here; those just with friends or boyfriends to hang out, girls that might be interested in picking someone up, girls that would certainly need help, and straight up hookers. How do I know this? Call it years of mongering wisdom (so valuable, LOL) and clubbing. Also, within 15 minutes the clear hos (or at least four of them) approached me asking offering me a cigarette, to share their drink, to dance, anything to make contact.

Now, here is the rub- out of those four, non spoke any English!! Two I would rate as 6's, one a 7, and was a 2. Overall talent? Outstanding. There are a few women here that look like models. And unlike other model looking asian women, these girls were built more like very fit, thin Columbians. Thats right Latina lovers, hips and asses. Don't worry guys who like "spinners" (I. E. Girls built like 12 year old boys) there were some spinner esq girls here.

Now, to the Indonesian face, since this will is an important part of the whole picture here- I find them amazing. I mean, like anywhere else, go into a poor neighborhood and you average girl is not a hottie- but here even less so, just like the Philippines. Yet, the best looking 30 percent or so, it seems, which is a higher percentage than the Philippines, are super fucking cute.

And it is a look. More checky, more mistiso looking. Of course, there is a lot of variety here, just as with the Philippines. Those who like more classic "doll" looking women will still far prefer Thailand, but will like this over the PI.

So, Milles- I dance for about two hours. I have no interest in picking up, but I am getting some attention from what looked like several types of girls, as described above. After a couple of hours on the floor and walking around, I am about to leave and meet, of all things, A Thai girl.

Not much to say other than clearly a pro, with her game clear. Example.

"So what are you doing in Jakarta," I pretend not to know.

"Looking for you," flirts back, get this, Tiara.

A classic Thai name if there was any. I take her number, leave.

In front, Taxis try to get me to pay $8 for what should be between 1 and two bucks. Down starts, I take a stroll through the still crowded Lokasari square. Freelancers and mamasans make themselves known. Mixed bad, nothing great, most outside of my weight class, and I am just tired. A easy place to find cheap sex- I did not get prices today.

On the street, negotiate for with a taxi- just under $3. 50- it should not be that much really, as it is close, but I just got here and am playing hard ball or walking around much over a couple of bucks until I know the scene.

So, that's it for now. May the adventures continue.

Psychman, you have balls to go to Sierra and Milles on your first trip. They aren't dangerous, but they are so dark and the people don't speak English. Kudos for being able to assimilate to that environment. Golden Crown is way nicer than either of those places and it's bigger. But for easy to pick up, down market girls, Milles is better than Golden Crown. Colosseum is the new hot spot for a "nice" big rave spot. You can find white women at Colosseum.

You paint a beautiful picture of Hotel Travel. I wish I thought the same of the place. Haha. I do agree that there are some very hot women there. But I hate the ambiance of the place (the local guys there poorly singing loud karaoke gets on my nerves), the rooms are not very nice, and although I've been there over 10 times, and I've always taken a very attractive girl, I've never had a good sexual experience there. Maybe because I can speak bahasa, I realize how truly non-charming the girls there are relative to the normal Indonesian girls. I think the mamasans really crack the whip on the girls in that place because the girls never seem happy. I always tell people that if you want to have sex with a hot young girl who just goes through the motions, that's a good place. If you want a girl who wildly screws your brains out and give you a true GFE experience, that is not a good place. I didn't see you report on Hotel Classic. Classic is a nicer version of Hotel Travel. Same type of girls and same price, but the rooms are far nicer. If you liked Travel, you will love Classic. I'd take Kings Cross at Kelapa Gading over both of them though. I think the girls have better attitudes there.

Food. Why do people travel half way around the world to eat lesser versions of the same tasteless crap they eat in the US? Nothing like seeing people eating a burger in Pattaya to make me realize how much I do not fit in with some other hobbiests, but that is a different story.

Great places to eat in the world- Jakarta is one of them. Indonesian food, and in truth, there are MANY, MANY Indonesian foods, is amazing.

Take a simple Sundanese dish, Karedok. On the street, you get get an amazing example of the version for a bit more than a buck. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karedok[/URL].

And how you get it is up to you- from an amazing array of vegetables, tofu and tempeh you point to, if you have no bahasa Indonesia like me, what you want. The woman who is making your personal plate of Karadok fresh will put your choice of toppings on a banana leaf covered with a thin bed of rice. On top of your selection will be go an unfathomably yummy peanut sauce, and if you like it, hot Chile as hot as you want. Not into hot food, just say tidak pedas and not only will you be saved anus thobbing head, but they will be impressed with your langauge.

And this just one of 100 dishes I could write about, but it was a staple of mine, as it was ubiquitous, yummmy and veggie (I have given up eating all meat put the most pink variety).

The women.

I described the body type and looks some, but how about their personalities. Charming, is a great place to start. More reserved and perhaps less goofy than Pinay (and yes, these are totally generalizations), the women are lovely, WHEN you can communicate with them. At BATS and CJs you are likely to get a good deal of English, other places, not so much. Yet, this was not a huge hinderance when in the sack. Warm and GFE, perhaps a bit more shy with affection at first than Pinay, they are far warmer by nature than the Thais.

Given that this was a mixed work and play trip, I had a chance to spend some time with many educated women as well- wow, amazing people. Smart, humble, and far more knowledeable and wordily than either Pinay or Thai chicks. But unlike Pinay, far less likely to know about American culture.

In general, they seem like a lot that are forgiving of cultural mistakes- a massive contrast to Thais. My freebies were both fairly worldly and spoke good english. My 28 year old two nighter actually lived in Spain for two years- Spanish was our main language of communication.

I am not doing them justice today, but lets just say I really, really liked the personalities of the women. Playful but less silly than Pinay, more poised perhaps, but more open and affectionate than Thai women (again, total generalizations. Please forgive me for that.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1694419]Psychman, you have balls to go to Sierra and Milles on your first trip. They aren't dangerous, but they are so dark and the people don't speak English. Kudos for being able to assimilate to that environment. Golden Crown is way nicer than either of those places and it's bigger. But for easy to pick up, down market girls, Milles is better than Golden Crown. Colosseum is the new hot spot for a "nice" big rave spot. You can find white women at Colosseum.

You paint a beautiful picture of Hotel Travel. I wish I thought the same of the place. Haha. I do agree that there are some very hot women there. But I hate the ambiance of the place (the local guys there poorly singing loud karaoke gets on my nerves), the rooms are not very nice, and although I've been there over 10 times, and I've always taken a very attractive girl, I've never had a good sexual experience there. Maybe because I can speak bahasa, I realize how truly non-charming the girls there are relative to the normal Indonesian girls. I think the mamasans really crack the whip on the girls in that place because the girls never seem happy. I always tell people that if you want to have sex with a hot young girl who just goes through the motions, that's a good place. If you want a girl who wildly screws your brains out and give you a true GFE experience, that is not a good place. I didn't see you report on Hotel Classic. Classic is a nicer version of Hotel Travel. Same type of girls and same price, but the rooms are far nicer. If you liked Travel, you will love Classic. I'd take Kings Cross at Kelapa Gading over both of them though. I think the girls have better attitudes there.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think I lucked out at Hotel Travel with my session- the place sounds like mostly for eye candy. And yes, I need to hit Kings Cross and Classic my next trip. I KNEW I would be back, as this is my new happy place, so in some ways, felt less pressure hit every venue than I normally would (not that I was TOO sheltered, LOL).

Colloseum is on the top of my list also, as is Alexis. Ah, the variety of Old Batavia.

Great reports bro, glad you loved Mille's. My current fav late late night venue. Let us all know when your back, I'd be keen to do Colosseum with ya, and well Alexis is an old friend.

[QUOTE=Psychman;1694531]Yeah, I think I lucked out at Hotel Travel with my session- the place sounds like mostly for eye candy. And yes, I need to hit Kings Cross and Classic my next trip. I KNEW I would be back, as this is my new happy place, so in some ways, felt less pressure hit every venue than I normally would (not that I was TOO sheltered, LOL).

Colloseum is on the top of my list also, as is Alexis. Ah, the variety of Old Batavia.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1694738]Great reports bro, glad you loved Mille's. My current fav late late night venue. Let us all know when your back, I'd be keen to do Colosseum with ya, and well Alexis is an old friend.[/QUOTE]Would love that. Will be back in all probability in August; will most certainly let you know.

[QUOTE=Psychman;1694369]First, thanks to all of you who answered all my stupid questions. Here is my attempt to pay back, a very small bit. ...

May the adventures continue.[/QUOTE]A great ISG report on a place I've been thinking about as a stopover en route to Bali. More time in Jakarta certainly will be scheduled. (Based on my Hong Kong experiences, Indos, by far are the best; high time to fish at the source.).

[QUOTE=Psychman;1694530]Food.

Take a simple Sundanese dish, Karedok. On the street, you get get an amazing example of the version for a bit more than a buck. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karedok[/URL].

[/QUOTE]Really really enjoyed your reports Psychman. But I feel I should warn any readers that asking for karedok in the west java slang community is a way of asking if you want your arse rimmed. It's traditionally a pun for pussy, my sundanese isn't good enough to explain more.

A trip to fatahillah square, batavia is reserved on my next trip, helped by your review. Did anyone explain the sexual significance of the Portuguese cannon. Si Jagur. To you?

[QUOTE=Psychman;1694531]Yeah, I think I lucked out at Hotel Travel with my session[/QUOTE]I'm not so sure. Ball licking seems to have been the highlight of your experience. The girls there suck your balls trying to get you hard to put a condom on your cock as soon as possible (to avoid getting any pre-cum in their mouth). Many of them do that then put a condom on you for the actual BJ. It sounds like you had a star fish, but just accepted it as great since she was good looking. Not that there is anything wrong with that. It's nice to have sex with a young hot girl for $40 even if she doesn't get into it. Did she require a condom for the BJ and/or Sex? Looking forward to photos.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1695097]I'm not so sure. Ball licking seems to have been the highlight of your experience. The girls there suck your balls trying to get you hard to put a condom on your cock as soon as possible (to avoid getting any pre-cum in their mouth). Many of them do that then put a condom on you for the actual BJ. It sounds like you had a star fish, but just accepted it as great since she was good looking. Not that there is anything wrong with that. It's nice to have sex with a young hot girl for $40 even if she doesn't get into it. Did she require a condom for the BJ and/or Sex? Looking forward to photos.[/QUOTE]Not a starfish- just took her about ten minutes to get into DFK. Non condom for BJ. I would call her GFE light, as the DFK was very good for about 20 minutes of fucking, but then, when it was "over" it was over. Not a lot of cuddeling. But, as you said, worth the cash.

The last time I have taken a picture of any sort was 1985. It was the last time I ever will. To me, photographing life harms living in the moment, but such is a topic over a drink somewhere in Jakarta.

Oh, one question now that I have a bit of street creds, perhaps. How much do you guys tip hotel massage girls for various happy endings? HJ? BJ and the full monte?

[QUOTE=Psychman;1695151]How much do you guys tip hotel massage girls for various happy endings? HJ? BJ and the full monte?[/QUOTE]I've wondered this also.

I am sure the other guys are different to me, but I usually go for 200-300 k for tits-out HJ and a pussy feelup.

And 500 k-600 k for a covered FJ (although there are exceptions to the covered comment from time to time).

I guess these girls are on minimum wage, so tips are king for them. I am sure they would do it for less as their already in your room and its very easy money for them. But I don't like to barter and argue over $10 here or there, I give it a couple of negotiations then give up. I only ever had one that refused a HJ for 300 k.

I find they often start at 600 k for a HJ, and can be as high as 1 jt for a FJ. But their all little entrepreneurs and I'm cool with them pitching their service highly priced to start with.

I'd be interested to know what others pay and especially love to know what locals pay?

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1695262]I've wondered this also.

I am sure the other guys are different to me, but I usually go for 200-300 k for tits-out HJ and a pussy feelup.

And 500 k-600 k for a covered FJ (although there are exceptions to the covered comment from time to time).

I guess these girls are on minimum wage, so tips are king for them. I am sure they would do it for less as their already in your room and its very easy money for them. But I don't like to barter and argue over $10 here or there, I give it a couple of negotiations then give up. I only ever had one that refused a HJ for 300 k.

I find they often start at 600 k for a HJ, and can be as high as 1 jt for a FJ. But their all little entrepreneurs and I'm cool with them pitching their service highly priced to start with.

I'd be interested to know what others pay and especially love to know what locals pay?[/QUOTE]Thanks for responding- great info, and really inline with what I was paying.

Usually, it was 200 for an HJ and 300-400 for a BJ, once 500 for full fucking. The last couple of times I told them that I pay 200 for an HJ and 300 for a BJ, and they could choose. One HJ and one BJ.

I agree with not haggling over small amounts, but it would be cool to know what others have paid (if less) so I could use that that info. I find that the attitude I have is SOO key in the negotiating process. If I am playful, and feign to be offended (and make this obvious), and am light and joking WHILE setting limits, it makes all the difference in the world. When I am uptight about the price, regardless of my limits and bounderies, it does not feel as good, and the end cost is not much different.

[QUOTE=Psychman;1695151]Oh, one question now that I have a bit of street creds, perhaps. How much do you guys tip hotel massage girls for various happy endings? HJ? BJ and the full monte?[/QUOTE]If I get what I really want, which is BBBJ, DFK, rimming and BBFS, I tip 150 or even 200. Works well [I]most[/I] of the time.

As far as the "extra" price for sex at a place that gives an actual massage, you guys are giving them the same money as I give them. I frequent the local indonesian sex chat sites and they are paying the same. The price of the actual massage, then plus 400 to 600 k for full sex.

I do find though that if I call the outcall girls to come to my place who provide the "male vitality" massage, 2 hours for 200 k (250 k if you are in a hotel because they have to give the security guy 50 k), they want a bit more for full sex than the in house hotel massage girls want. Then again, they are usually better looking too since the service makes sure the girls are sexy. The hottest massage girl I ever had was from one of those services. Sometimes those girls won't settle for less than 800 k to a million for full sex. Their massages are far better than the ones you get from the hotel masseuse though. They focus on your ass and balls most of the oil massage. I really feel vitalized after those massages. I always make the guy who runs the male vitality massage service send me a photo of the girl via whatsapp before I agree to have her come to my apartment or hotel. I prefer that to using the masseuse from the hotel.

Having booked my first trip to Jakarta, and having read back through the forum at least 20 pages (and also looked at the hotels thread), I have a few of questions which I am hoping knowlegeable members might be kind enough to help me with.

1. I am thinking of staying at the Oakwood Premier Cozmo which has good reviews on a well-known review site. I am assuming this place is a good choice and is girl-friendly, but if anyone has any information to the contrary I would be grateful to know now rather than later. Also if anybody thinks the location of this place is all wrong, I would be very interested to know. I appreciate there are major problems with traffic in Jakarta, but since this is a vacation-only visit, I probably won't be doing much in the daytime anyway. I will just be going out later in the evening. I am not really a clubbing type (too old), so I am assuming I will mainly be going to BATS, CJs, Blok M, etc from about 9 pm onwards. I also appreciate that some of the spas / MPs (for example Travel, Alexis) are quite a long way from the Oakwood, so if anybody can recommend any good spas / MPs which are more central that would be great.

2. Question regarding transport: do members tend to use the motorcycle taxis, or are they not really recommended? I have used them in Bangkok and they saved a lot of time, but obviously they aren't ideal if it is raining, and there is of course a risk of serious injury!!

3. Thirdly, are there any recommended sports bars which show English Premier League?

4. I quite like places where you can play pool (or billiards as it is called in some countries in Asia) in the kind of atmosphere you get in Pattaya beer bars (I. E. With girls around the place as well). Does anybody know if there any bars of this type in Jakarta, and if so are there any you would recommend?

5. Another question. I have a penchant for students, ideally ones who speak some English (but then, who doesn't? Any additional information about how and where I might meet student types would be much appreciated.

6. Another fairly obvious question. What time does the nightlife finish (for example when is closing time in BATS, Blok M bars, etc)?

7. Final question. If you had 10 days to play with, would you spend it all in Jakarta, or would you take a side trip somewhere? If so, where to, and for how long? What do you think might be the likelihood that I would be able to find a girl who would be prepared to accompany me on a side trip?

Many thanks in advance, and if anybody would like to meet up for a beer, please don't hesitate to PM me. I will be in town from 4th April.

[QUOTE=AlteredEgo;1695494]Having booked my first trip to Jakarta, and having read back through the forum at least 20 pages (and also looked at the hotels thread), I have a few of questions which I am hoping knowlegeable members might be kind enough to help me with.

1. I am thinking of staying at the Oakwood Premier Cozmo which has good reviews on a well-known review site. I am assuming this place is a good choice and is girl-friendly, but if anyone has any information to the contrary I would be grateful to know now rather than later. Also if anybody thinks the location of this place is all wrong, I would be very interested to know. I appreciate there are major problems with traffic in Jakarta, but since this is a vacation-only visit, I probably won't be doing much in the daytime anyway. I will just be going out later in the evening. I am not really a clubbing type (too old), so I am assuming I will mainly be going to BATS, CJs, Blok M, etc from about 9 pm onwards. I also appreciate that some of the spas / MPs (for example Travel, Alexis) are quite a long way from the Oakwood, so if anybody can recommend any good spas / MPs which are more central that would be great.

2. Question regarding transport: do members tend to use the motorcycle taxis, or are they not really recommended? I have used them in Bangkok and they saved a lot of time, but obviously they aren't ideal if it is raining, and there is of course a risk of serious injury!!

3. Thirdly, are there any recommended sports bars which show English Premier League?

4. I quite like places where you can play pool (or billiards as it is called in some countries in Asia) in the kind of atmosphere you get in Pattaya beer bars (I. E. With girls around the place as well). Does anybody know if there any bars of this type in Jakarta, and if so are there any you would recommend?

5. Another question. I have a penchant for students, ideally ones who speak some English (but then, who doesn't? Any additional information about how and where I might meet student types would be much appreciated.

6. Another fairly obvious question. What time does the nightlife finish (for example when is closing time in BATS, Blok M bars, etc)?

7. Final question. If you had 10 days to play with, would you spend it all in Jakarta, or would you take a side trip somewhere? If so, where to, and for how long? What do you think might be the likelihood that I would be able to find a girl who would be prepared to accompany me on a side trip?

Many thanks in advance, and if anybody would like to meet up for a beer, please don't hesitate to PM me. I will be in town from 4th April.[/QUOTE]I believe the Oakwood is in the same area as the Marriott. If so, the location may not be ideal from the standpoint of access to Block M, Kota, BATS, and so forth. Also, the traffic around there can get absolutely horrendous, although I have heard unconfirmed reports the elevated highway in that area that had been under construction for too long recently opened, which might relieve some of the traffic problem. However, my comments on the location should be viewed merely as a heads up to a potential problem as I have never actually routed from there, and perhaps it is not as bad as I am thinking. Others here should be able to clarify this.

I do not use motorcycle taxis as I consider them too dangerous, particularly after seeing a couple of motorcycle accidents in Jakarta. It also seems they are for short hauls within local areas. I don't think they would be an appropriate mode of transportation from Oakwood to some of the above mentioned areas, for example. But I haven't used them so am no expert.

There may be a pool table or two at some of the Blok M bars. Maybe at Top Gun, but my memory on this is not clear. I also have been at a pool joint right next to Sarinah (a shopping mall relatively close to the Grand Hyatt) but was not sure if the gals there were working or not (I suspect a few might have been). In any case, it was more a pool place than a P4 P place.

It is difficult without knowing something about you whether you should stay in Jakarta for 10 days. If you do stay, it would be for the girls; there is not much else of note there, at least not in comparison to places like Bangkok, for example. If you are interested in seeing sights and are not entirely focused on mongering, Yogyakarta might be the place to go to see Borobudur and Prambanan (you would need two days to see both); but the P4 P scene there does not compare to Jakarta's.

As to your other questions, perhaps others can answer them.

1. I am thinking of staying at the Oakwood Premier Cozmo which has good reviews on a well-known review site. I am assuming this place is a good choice and is girl-friendly, but if anyone has any information to the contrary I would be grateful to know now rather than later. Also if anybody thinks the location of this place is all wrong, I would be very interested to know. I appreciate there are major problems with traffic in Jakarta, but since this is a vacation-only visit, I probably won't be doing much in the daytime anyway. I will just be going out later in the evening. I am not really a clubbing type (too old), so I am assuming I will mainly be going to BATS, CJs, Blok M, etc from about 9 pm onwards. I also appreciate that some of the spas / MPs (for example Travel, Alexis) are quite a long way from the Oakwood, so if anybody can recommend any good spas / MPs which are more central that would be great.

Oakwood is nice. You can bring girls there. There are very few places you cannot bring girls. Right downstairs is perhaps the most popular trendy restaurant in town called Loewy. It is possible to pick up party girls there at the bar, but they are high maintenance. Nice place to go for a drink or dinner though because plenty of hot women (not easy to pick them up, but nice to look at.).

Fortune massage is a place where you can get a good massage, then have sex with the girl afterwards for an extra price you have to negotiate (usually 500k extra). It's just down the road from the Oakwood, about a 5 minute drive. Taxi's never seem to know it though so you need to get the concierge to help. Ask the taxi to take the main road that is across the street from Mal Ambassador (Jalan Prof Dr. Satrio) (jalan means street), have it drive toward the new Lotte mall and Sampoerna strategic building, pass those (they will be on the left), go over the bridge, and just over the bridge to the left is Fortune massage and karaoke. It's a fairly large building. (as a landmark, Hotel Le Meridien is on the right) Most times, I just tell the taxi to take me to Hotel Le Meridien. They will go that direction and when they cross the bridge, I tell them to stop on the left and take me to Fortune massage instead.

Delta massage is also very close to Oakwood and you can get there quickly via taxi as well. You tell the taxi to take Jalan Denpasar. At the end of Jalan denpasar, most cars turn right, you want to turn left and Delta is right there. If you get the hot stone massage, that includes a happy ending hand job as part of the service. No full sex though.

2. Question regarding transport: do members tend to use the motorcycle taxis, or are they not really recommended? I have used them in Bangkok and they saved a lot of time, but obviously they aren't ideal if it is raining, and there is of course a risk of serious injury!!

I avoid motorcycle taxis in Jakarta. But they are all over the place if you want to use one. They are called OJEK in Jakarta. At Oakwood, there will be a cue of bluebird taxis waiting and there are also ojek's quite near. I haven't taken an ojek in over 10 years though since one of them wrecked once when I was on it. Unlike Thailand, it is rare to ever see a westerner riding the back of one of those motorcyle's. I'd recommend sticking with taxis.

3. Thirdly, are there any recommended sports bars which show English Premier League?

Within walking distance of Oakwood is a shopping center called Bellagio. There is a sports bar there. If they don't have the game (they likely will), you can take a taxi to Aphrodite just behind Plaza Festival and they will have it for sure. I prefer the one in Bellagio because you can chat up the waitresses easier.

4. I quite like places where you can play pool (or billiards as it is called in some countries in Asia) in the kind of atmosphere you get in Pattaya beer bars (I. E. With girls around the place as well). Does anybody know if there any bars of this type in Jakarta, and if so are there any you would recommend?

Closest thing to a pattaya beer bar is Top Gun or My Bar at blok M. But you can't find girls there until after 10 pm. There is a popular pool place at Sarinah mall called After Hours right next to the Chilis restaurant. That can be fun at times depending on who is in there. But it's nowhere near as sleazy as a pattaya beer bar. I play pool in the Hotel Classic 2nd floor sometimes. That's a brothel, but they have nice pool tables. You can check out the girls as you play. The sports bars previously mentioned also have pool tables.

5. Another question. I have a penchant for students, ideally ones who speak some English (but then, who doesn't? Any additional information about how and where I might meet student types would be much appreciated.

It's possible to find students you can pick up that do not speak English, very difficult to find them that do speak English. If they speak English, they are likely from an upper class family so they have money and won't be interested in screwing an older foreigner. I wouldn't even know where to go to find a student that can speak English who would give me the time of day.

6. Another fairly obvious question. What time does the nightlife finish (for example when is closing time in BATS, Blok M bars, etc)?

Bats and CJs between 2 am and 3 am depending on the night of the week. Blok M, Top Gun closes at 3 am, My Bar closes at 5 am.

A bar very close to your hotel is the one in the JW Marriott. Sometimes there are some pretty decent girls there, depending on the night of the week. I wouldn't go there after midnight though. The crowd gets there a bit earlier and I believe it closes at midnight.

7. Final question. If you had 10 days to play with, would you spend it all in Jakarta, or would you take a side trip somewhere? If so, where to, and for how long? What do you think might be the likelihood that I would be able to find a girl who would be prepared to accompany me on a side trip?

If you find a girl you fancy, you could ask her to Bali with you and she would likely be quite happy to do that. You will of course have to pay her airfare and other expenses and the girl may or may not want money for her time there with you, depending on which girl you take. A 3 day trip there is usually a nice change from Jakarta.

Good to see you have done your RTFF, ,why comments.

1. Oakwood isn't in the action. 30 min taxi ride to CJ's, BATS and a little further to blokM. A decent distance to North Jakarta. Its a very nice place with an awesome bar / resto downstairs called Loewey (look it up on 100 bars website) . If you lineup any girls from DateInAsia etc, you can definately meet them there, it also has a good degree of very classy non hookers and classy freelancers, I am sure with a keen eye you can spot them. Not alot of spas near there that I know of, there is a Fortune behind LeMerdien not too far (on the elevated Toll Smoothy mentioned) , also some massage spas in the BlokM area in the Grand Wijaya centre (Delta, MyPlace, Fortune, Cherry) - but its not that close, maybe 30 mins at 9 pm or 1 HR at peak hour.

2. I recommend taxis, they are cheap and clean. Opt for the white express or blue bluebird. If the traffic is really bad and it isn't raining, look for a sign saying Ojek or Ojeg, or somebody saying 'ojek mister'. Price is no cheaper than taxis, but far quicker, up to you to do your own risk assessment (FYI, I suggest 20 k for 10-15 mins, 40 k for 20-30 mins riding), I am ok with them personally but for long trips it is tiring on the back.

3. Near Oakwood is Cazbar, stumbling distance. Aphrodite, a short Ojek ride (look them both up on 100 bars Jakarta website). Show all EPL games, especially Aphrodite (you'll find discreet p4 p there too).

4. None like Pattaya. Top Gun in BlokM has 1 table and old ugly female sharks playing, plus DS place has a pooltable, and Everest does in Blokm. Including Smoothys comment below about Sarinah (where you should be able to find a student. If you time it right), you can also try Jalan Jaksa, there are a few bars that are open air, cheap beer, seedy But nothing like Pattaya. I don't know of much else, pooltables arent my scene.

5. Bundung, Jogjakarta. Both university towns. Remember most of the local girls in Jakarta are used to seeing old white guys, so if you want to spend time with students got to go somewhere where you are still a bit unique. IMHO. Bundung rates in that area for me, but your here for a short holiday and it might be more difficult.

6. 3 am BATS and CJs, BlokM bars, occasionally later at the Blok (especially myBar). North Jakarta 3 am and 5 am and all day (the more drugs their clientèLE takes, the later they stay open) - depends on the venue. Most massage parlours often close at 11 pm, or might have last booking 10 pm.

7. the only side trip I would do is Bali. Unless you really want to see orangutangs, and yes many girls would be happy to accpmany you to Bali, good call here in my opinion. But you might have to do some groundwork before you arrive in country for this.

[QUOTE=AlteredEgo;1695494]Having booked my first trip to Jakarta, and having read back through the forum at least 20 pages (and also looked at the hotels thread), I have a few of questions which I am hoping knowlegeable members might be kind enough to help me with.

1. I am thinking of staying at the Oakwood Premier Cozmo which has good reviews on a well-known review site. I am assuming this place is a good choice and is girl-friendly, but if anyone has any information to the contrary I would be grateful to know now rather than later. Also if anybody thinks the location of this place is all wrong, I would be very interested to know. I appreciate there are major problems with traffic in Jakarta, but since this is a vacation-only visit, I probably won't be doing much in the daytime anyway. I will just be going out later in the evening. I am not really a clubbing type (too old), so I am assuming I will mainly be going to BATS, CJs, Blok M, etc from about 9 pm onwards. I also appreciate that some of the spas / MPs (for example Travel, Alexis) are quite a long way from the Oakwood, so if anybody can recommend any good spas / MPs which are more central that would be great.

2. Question regarding transport: do members tend to use the motorcycle taxis, or are they not really recommended? I have used them in Bangkok and they saved a lot of time, but obviously they aren't ideal if it is raining, and there is of course a risk of serious injury!!

3. Thirdly, are there any recommended sports bars which show English Premier League?

4. I quite like places where you can play pool (or billiards as it is called in some countries in Asia) in the kind of atmosphere you get in Pattaya beer bars (I. E. With girls around the place as well). Does anybody know if there any bars of this type in Jakarta, and if so are there any you would recommend?

5. Another question. I have a penchant for students, ideally ones who speak some English (but then, who doesn't? Any additional information about how and where I might meet student types would be much appreciated.

6. Another fairly obvious question. What time does the nightlife finish (for example when is closing time in BATS, Blok M bars, etc)?

7. Final question. If you had 10 days to play with, would you spend it all in Jakarta, or would you take a side trip somewhere? If so, where to, and for how long? What do you think might be the likelihood that I would be able to find a girl who would be prepared to accompany me on a side trip?

Many thanks in advance, and if anybody would like to meet up for a beer, please don't hesitate to PM me. I will be in town from 4th April.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1695600]
1. Oakwood isn't in the action. 30 min taxi ride to CJ's, BATS and a little further to blokM.[/QUOTE]I normally stay at JW Marriott right across the street from Oakwood. CJs or Blok M will be about 30 minutes at night, but BATS is only 10 to 15 minutes. It's extremely close. Take that same road mentioned to go to Fortune massage that passes LE Meridien and just keep going straight rather than stopping at Fortune massage. When you get to the light, take a right and Shangri-La is right there. There's another route via Rasuna Said that's even faster but more difficult to explain. North Jakarta will take an hour depending on where in North Jakarta you would like to go and time of day. Personally, I like staying in that area where the Oakwood is located. I consider that to be central Jakarta. If you are planning on only hitting the brothels in North Jakarta, Mercure at Harmoni is a much better selection. But for hitting places like BATs, CJs and Blok M, I think it's fine. Especially BATS. Don't try going anywhere at 5 pm though. But nowhere in the city is good traffic at 5 pm. You can walk to Mal Ambassador or Lotte Mall from Oakwood. Ambassador has pirate DVDs and software and cheap items. It also has a Carrefour in it and another mall next door with restaurants such as Outback Steakhouse. Lotte Mall has some very nice restaurants. Belaggio also has restaurants and that sports bar. Cazbar is also a popular expat bar within walking distance. The Sunday brunch at JW Marriott is awesome. Loewy is the most popular restaurant in town for hot chicks in sexy dresses. All of those are within short walking distance. Unless you want to go to the brothels in North Jakarta, what's not to like?

Very good point on being able to pick up students at After Hours. That is one place where there is a chance. I've never picked one up there, but there are often very hot students there and they are often drunk.

Hilo is the board expert on picking up students. But I think he gets his in the kampung.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1695600]why comments...[/QUOTE]Damn spell check, 'why comments' = 'my comments'.

General questions on ATM cash withdraws in Jakarta.

1) What is the maximum you can take out from ATM at one time?

2) Which Banks ATM are best, meaning having the most around and most reliable.

3) Are all Jakarta bank ATM fees the same or are some better than others.

4) is there a max number of time you can withdraw from ATM in a day?

5) are all ATM limits the same or do they vary by individual Jakarta banks?

Thanks.

Note, I plan on staying in North Jakarta , around the Travel Hotel area

[QUOTE=Sharka;1695653]General questions on ATM cash withdraws in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]1) What is the maximum you can take out from ATM at one time?

8 million to 10 million rupiah.

2) Which Banks ATM are best, meaning having the most around and most reliable.

All bank ATMS are safe, the biggest problems are generally the smaller unknown brands you may find in a mini-mart, I wouldn't trust them unless in a jam.

3) Are all Jakarta bank ATM fees the same or are some better than others.

I think the only difference is. If its your bank then no fees, if it is another banks the fee is between 3,500 and 7,500, I have found most hit me with 7,500.

4) is there a max number of time you can withdraw from ATM in a day?

Don't know, but if you use the above 8 million, then that's 4 withdrawls.

Most ATMS dispense max 1. 25 m in 50,000 notes or max 2. 5 m in 100,000 notes. 8 million in your pocket is a big old wad of cash. Put it down your pants if you goto a dodgy nightclub and youll get lots of attention.

5) are all ATM limits the same or do they vary by individual Jakarta banks?

Sama, all are english as the first option. Look for 'tunai', 'non-tunai is for transfers / payments only. Not cash dispensing.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1695610]
Hilo is the board expert on picking up students. But I think he gets his in the kampung.[/QUOTE]The "students" I used to pick up were usually the result of my number doing the rounds among a certain self-selecting group. Hey, no complaints, it cut right to the chase and saved a lot of LEG (laying essential groundwork) work.

The student (a post-grad whose thesis I am assisting, yeah right) I am currently seeing, I met on a now defunct dating site a few years back.

However the way to pick up students is the same way to pick up any "regular" girls in the malls. It just involves chutzpah, a bit of Bahasa (as Smoothy points out the fluent English-speakers, like the girls on the dating sites that post pictures of their travels overseas, probably don't need any financial help) and not looking like a creep.

The SOP is dress and groom yourself like you actually have a job to go to, smile, greet, get chatting, ask them questions about where such and such a place is, yadda yadda, get friendly, exchange numbers, sms / whatsapp about studies, the universe, the meaning of life, whatever.

Arrange to meet again over coffee, ask about family, boyfriends, how they can afford tuition fees, books, transport (ecstasy tabs), listen to the usual woes about how the boyfriend's an asshole and how they have no money.

If you've got that far you don't need me to explain the rest.

The "dating" scene is changing too. Things are moving mobile, as in mobile phones. For me (not saying this applies to everybody) pick up p4 p joints like blok M / BATS / CJs gave way to dating websites and instant messengers like yahoo / msn. Very easy to find girls that will meet me at my hotel when I get off the airplane or finish up the meetings for the day. I can rarely be bothered going to the blok / BATS / CJs anymore unless I am out with mates for a night on the town. When I just want my knob sucked or my ass licked after work, why fight the traffic when the girls will come to you.

Recently I have started playing with apps such as badoo / wechat / skout / tinder etc (many have been mentioned here before) and I noticed a lot of the student age girls are there. I put up a profile which makes my intentions very clear. I say I am already married, but am looking for a short term girlfriend and am happy to help with tuition / transport whatever. I receive more messages / interest than I can manage and get right to the point with the ones I do communicate with. That way everybody knows the drill and there are no false expectations.

I always treat the girls well, and am often rewarded with the girls setting me up with their friends, as Hilo mentioned.

I don't post a lot of reports here anymore even though I have been visiting more and more, because I pretty much follow the same script every trip. Arrange for girl X to meet me at my hotel when I get off the airplane, shag her, if I like her and I am hungry bring her to dinner, shag her again. The next day girl Y arrives promptly (for jakarta!) after I finish my business meetings, shag her, and if I am feeling energetic I make up an excuse as to why she needs to leave and call in girl Z. Although I have had some luck with 2 girls at the same time recently, which came through the friend of a friend thing, except the friends both claim to be bisexual and really do seem to enjoy eating each others pussies.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1696117]The "dating" scene is changing too. Things are moving mobile, as in mobile phones. For me (not saying this applies to everybody) pick up p4 p joints like blok M / BATS / CJs gave way to dating websites and instant messengers like yahoo / msn. Very easy to find girls that will meet me at my hotel when I get off the airplane or finish up the meetings for the day. I can rarely be bothered going to the blok / BATS / CJs anymore unless I am out with mates for a night on the town. When I just want my knob sucked or my ass licked after work, why fight the traffic when the girls will come to you.

Recently I have started playing with apps such as badoo / wechat / skout / tinder etc (many have been mentioned here before) and I noticed a lot of the student age girls are there. I put up a profile which makes my intentions very clear. I say I am already married, but am looking for a short term girlfriend and am happy to help with tuition / transport whatever. I receive more messages / interest than I can manage and get right to the point with the ones I do communicate with. That way everybody knows the drill and there are no false expectations.

I always treat the girls well, and am often rewarded with the girls setting me up with their friends, as Hilo mentioned..[/QUOTE]How much do you pay them for how long of time?

I have found these pictures on the net posted in 2013. The story is the usual all prostitutes are children. Scandal, scandal, scandal. But the photo series purporting to be from Jakarta is interesting.

I have tried to find clues at to where in Jakarta the photos were taken and whether the place still exist.

Anyone here with any information?

It could be Bongkaran, which is in Tanah Abang, along the railway line.

[URL]http://m.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/04/17/jakarta-inundated-with-proliferating-ills.html[/URL]

It's not uncommon for prostitution to take place around railway stations and lines in Indonesia. If you walk along the flood canal along Jl Latuharhari on the southern fringes of Menteng, you'll notice a bunch of blue tarpaulin shacks that are used for short-time encounters of a night. The area spills over from the ladyboy areas on the other side of the bridge and from Jl Cimahi eastwards, its mostly women. Its very low end, catering mostly to local workers and I have been told that sex is sold for as little as Rp 50,000. I have sat at one of the open air warungs by the train line and had a beer, watching the comings and goings and was assured by the people working there that is was safe. I'm quite big, speak more than enough Bahasa Indonesian and am fairly street wise, but would hesitate to go to Bongkaran. If you do go, have a local friend go with you at the very least. Thibaud from Jakarta 100 bars has done a review of the Kalijodo brothel area in West Jakarta. Its another local place, and again, one that I do not care to visit.

[QUOTE=Cepu19;1696236]I have found these pictures on the net posted in 2013. The story is the usual all prostitutes are children. Scandal, scandal, scandal. But the photo series purporting to be from Jakarta is interesting.

I have tried to find clues at to where in Jakarta the photos were taken and whether the place still exist.

Anyone here with any information?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;1696428]It could be Bongkaran, which is in Tanah Abang, along the railway line.

[URL]http://m.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/04/17/jakarta-inundated-with-proliferating-ills.html[/URL]

It's not uncommon for prostitution to take place around railway stations and lines in Indonesia. If you walk along the flood canal along Jl Latuharhari on the southern fringes of Menteng, you'll notice a bunch of blue tarpaulin shacks that are used for short-time encounters of a night. The area spills over from the ladyboy areas on the other side of the bridge and from Jl Cimahi eastwards, its mostly women. Its very low end, catering mostly to local workers and I have been told that sex is sold for as little as Rp 50,000. I have sat at one of the open air warungs by the train line and had a beer, watching the comings and goings and was assured by the people working there that is was safe. I'm quite big, speak more than enough Bahasa Indonesian and am fairly street wise, but would hesitate to go to Bongkaran. If you do go, have a local friend go with you at the very least. Thibaud from Jakarta 100 bars has done a review of the Kalijodo brothel area in West Jakarta. Its another local place, and again, one that I do not care to visit.[/QUOTE]P.S., I doubt it's in Jakarta. Looks more like East Java to me.

Funny. I never made it to Bongkaran. I tried to enter the area once. On the south side of Tanah Abang station. But got held up by a group of local men. "Not save for you".

I am actually glad they did, 50 k. Ridiculously low. Too low. There's some health hazard going there.

[QUOTE=HotMale9833;1696163]How much do you pay them for how long of time?[/QUOTE]Varies widely. I try to stick to around 500 for short time when negotiating, don't always get that low, sometimes I can't be bothered haggling over the last 100, and if they paid their own taxi I try to cover that as well. Also if they had to travel a long way (I remember one that took the train in from Bogor) and made me happy I will throw in a bit extra. Negotiate hard and then pay extra delivers dividends in the friends of friends department. LT I aim for the 700 or 800 mark, but again depends on the girl, and if I can be bothered sticking to my guns. One girl got to my soft spot and I was giving her 1.2 juta for all nighters. She did everything, anal, rimming, but she seemed to have convinced herself that she wasn't whoring herself out, instead I was just a kind foreigner that was helping her raise her kid and we had a future together, my bunny boiler alarm went off and I stopped repeating her.

Don't get me wrong, I go through a lot of profiles, some girls are just trying it on and ask or 2 or 3 juta. Best deal I think I ever got was 2 girls at the same time who could only stay for 2 hours. They were repeats and only wanted 400 each for a threesome. I went to sleep with a smile that night.

[QUOTE=JoelGoodsen;1696452]P.S., I doubt it's in Jakarta. Looks more like East Java to me.

Funny. I never made it to Bongkaran. I tried to enter the area once. On the south side of Tanah Abang station. But got held up by a group of local men. "Not save for you".

I am actually glad they did, 50 k. Ridiculously low. Too low. There's some health hazard going there.[/QUOTE]Yes, something as well-organised as that would be better known in Jakarta, I suspect it's not in J-town.

I have said it before, I enjoy pushing the envelope but even for me Kalijodo was as far as I would go (and I backed off that), the blue-tarp scene in Manggerai would be right off my radar.

Other railway-related pick up spots are around Jatinegara, near the prison helpfully, and around Tanah Abang. Neither are particularly appealing in my opinion and not really bule-friendly, although not especially threatening either.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1696117] I put up a profile which makes my intentions very clear. I say I am already married, but am looking for a short term girlfriend and am happy to help with tuition / transport whatever. I receive more messages / interest than I can manage and get right to the point with the ones I do communicate with. That way everybody knows the drill and there are no false expectations.

[/QUOTE]An admirably efficient system, I too adopt a (semi) honest approach making it clear that I am a happily married man who is simply looking to make friends, that probably rules me out of the running for about 85% of the girls but the remaining 15% are more than enough to be getting along with.

It's amazing how quickly the ones who contact you and who insist in their profiles that they are not looking for sex just friendship admit that actually a bit of sex would be fine too. However, I like your strategy better, it saves a lot of faffing about and faux coyness if you get right to the point.

For my own security my profile has a somewhat blurred picture of a not unattractive cousin of mine, a contemporary who in the right light and from the distance could pass for me, I can send better, genuine photos later when I get to know them, after all we bules all just look the same don't we?

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1696495]
It's amazing how quickly the ones who contact you and who insist in their profiles that they are not looking for sex just friendship admit that actually a bit of sex would be fine too. However, I like your strategy better, it saves a lot of faffing about and faux coyness if you get right to the point.
[/QUOTE]Haha, yeah, I assume those one are just keeping up appearances. A year or so ago I was regularly seeing a 40-something MILF with a career who was a freebie from a dating site. If a girl contacts me first after reading my profile, then I assume it is game on. In fact, the ones who have a profile that say they are only looking for serious and looking for an age range younger than me, but contacts me first, are a bit trickier to communicate with. They could be genuine freebies and get offended if you bring up money. In contrast, a 21 year old hottie who has a profile that says she is looking to date men 18 to 80 years old, I will be asking how much she wants in the first minute of communication to weed out the ones looking for 2 juta+ suckers.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1696495]
For my own security my profile has a somewhat blurred picture of a not unattractive cousin of mine, a contemporary who in the right light and from the distance could pass for me, I can send better, genuine photos later when I get to know them, after all we bules all just look the same don't we?[/QUOTE]Absolutely! My pic is not me (fatter, uglier guy I found through google so there are no complaints when I turn up), the name I give them is not real, I have a completely bogus cover story about my business, and use a disposable SIM to communicate with them. When I leave town, if I don't want them to find me, I am a ghost.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1696515]Haha, yeah, I assume those one are just keeping up appearances. A year or so ago I was regularly seeing a 40-something MILF with a career who was a freebie from a dating site. If a girl contacts me first after reading my profile, then I assume it is game on. In fact, the ones who have a profile that say they are only looking for serious and looking for an age range younger than me, but contacts me first, are a bit trickier to communicate with. They could be genuine freebies and get offended if you bring up money. In contrast, a 21 year old hottie who has a profile that says she is looking to date men 18 to 80 years old, I will be asking how much she wants in the first minute of communication to weed out the ones looking for 2 juta+ suckers.

Absolutely! My pic is not me (fatter, uglier guy I found through google so there are no complaints when I turn up), the name I give them is not real, I have a completely bogus cover story about my business, and use a disposable SIM to communicate with them. When I leave town, if I don't want them to find me, I am a ghost.[/QUOTE]When checking into a hotel we have to produce a passport and when we book we must book under the name on the passport. How do we get the hotel to use a fictitious name if a woman wants to meet me at the hotel and asks for me at the front desk? Will most hotels accommodate that request?

Mahalo.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1696525]When checking into a hotel we have to produce a passport and when we book we must book under the name on the passport. How do we get the hotel to use a fictitious name if a woman wants to meet me at the hotel and asks for me at the front desk? Will most hotels accommodate that request?

[/QUOTE]I just meet them in the lobby. They never ask for me at the front desk, because, well, they can't. If they ask for your room number so they can ring up, just tell them the elevator requires a key and you have no choice but to meet them in the lobby.

Although I did stay in a hotel in the Philippines where a girl was running very late and I got sick of waiting in the lobby for her, I slipped the doorman $5 and told him a girl would be asking for my fake name. He basically said 'no problem sir, we understand your need for privacy' and he walked over and the front desk wrote down my fake name and an hour later the doorman brought her to my door. But I have never tried that in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1696525]When checking into a hotel we have to produce a passport and when we book we must book under the name on the passport. How do we get the hotel to use a fictitious name if a woman wants to meet me at the hotel and asks for me at the front desk? Will most hotels accommodate that request?

Mahalo.

RL.[/QUOTE]There is no law that states producing your passport is mandatory. Its just a common practice. Side step that part by showing a credit card, which you will generally need to do without giving up huge stacks of cash as "deposits".

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1696559]There is no law that states producing your passport is mandatory. Its just a common practice. Side step that part by showing a credit card, which you will generally need to do without giving up huge stacks of cash as "deposits".[/QUOTE]The last time I was in Jakarta 2011, I was told that all hotels must report to the government, all international visitors that check in to the hotel. Also they must have a copy of their passport in the event of a national security issue.

RL.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1696559]There is no law that states producing your passport is mandatory. Its just a common practice. Side step that part by showing a credit card, which you will generally need to do without giving up huge stacks of cash as "deposits".[/QUOTE]To FreebieFan.

I have stay at over12 hotel Indonesia 3-5 star all of them ask for a copy of my US passport, either I paid by cash or CC they want arrival and departure info.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1696525]When checking into a hotel we have to produce a passport and when we book we must book under the name on the passport. How do we get the hotel to use a fictitious name if a woman wants to meet me at the hotel and asks for me at the front desk? Will most hotels accommodate that request?
Mahalo.
RL.[/QUOTE]Hi RL. The answer to this question as you posed it in the Thailand (Chiang Mai?) forum / thread is also applicable in Indonesia. If they ask for Pak Robert (pak = mister) in room abcd, that will be about all that is necessary for name recognition. FYI, many Indonesians have / go by one name only, so Pak Robert is more than enough identification.

This assumes that you are using your real first name! Best, TTG.

[QUOTE=Psychman;1694531]Yeah, I think I lucked out at Hotel Travel with my session- the place sounds like mostly for eye candy. And yes, I need to hit Kings Cross and Classic my next trip. I KNEW I would be back, as this is my new happy place, so in some ways, felt less pressure hit every venue than I normally would (not that I was TOO sheltered, LOL).

Colloseum is on the top of my list also, as is Alexis. Ah, the variety of Old Batavia.[/QUOTE]Great report Pschman. I'll be in Jakarta mid April for the first time and hope to retrace some of your steps. A bit old for the disco and X 30 something crowd but will give the rest my best effort.

Thanks again for the report.

[QUOTE=AlteredEgo;1695494]Having booked my first trip to Jakarta, and having read back through the forum at least 20 pages (and also looked at the hotels thread), I have a few of questions which I am hoping knowlegeable members might be kind enough to help me with....[/QUOTE]Many thanks to LA Guy 5, Smoothy and HardHatmate. I wasn't able to check the forum for a few days, I can't believe you answered all of my questions so quickly.

I have now booked the Oakwood, but only for 5 nights as I am assuming I might then take a side trip (or if I am having a good time in Jakarta I can just extend).

At the risk of pushing my luck, a couple of additional things have occurred to me from reading recent posts:

1. In one of Smoothy's posts, he mentions ordering an outcall 'male vitality' massage. Are there any recommended outcall massage agencies who supply this type of massage for the area I am staying at, or if not, where would I need to look to find these (or should I just ask in the hotel)?

2. Secondly, CeeGee's post suggests using badoo / wechat / skout / tinder. Any idea what might be the likelihood of meeting girls who speak some English via these methods?

Thanks again to everyone for taking the time to reply, and just to repeat that if anybody would like to meet up for a beer, I will be in town from 4th April.

[QUOTE=AlteredEgo;1697467]2. Secondly, CeeGee's post suggests using badoo / wechat / skout / tinder. Any idea what might be the likelihood of meeting girls who speak some English via these methods?[/QUOTE]Quite good. Many, if not most, of the women who use social media / datting apps have quite reasonable English.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1696453]Varies widely. I try to stick to around 500 for short time when negotiating, don't always get that low, sometimes I can't be bothered haggling over the last 100, and if they paid their own taxi I try to cover that as well. Also if they had to travel a long way (I remember one that took the train in from Bogor) and made me happy I will throw in a bit extra. Negotiate hard and then pay extra delivers dividends in the friends of friends department. LT I aim for the 700 or 800 mark, but again depends on the girl, and if I can be bothered sticking to my guns. One girl got to my soft spot and I was giving her 1.2 juta for all nighters. She did everything, anal, rimming, but she seemed to have convinced herself that she wasn't whoring herself out, instead I was just a kind foreigner that was helping her raise her kid and we had a future together, my bunny boiler alarm went off and I stopped repeating her.

Don't get me wrong, I go through a lot of profiles, some girls are just trying it on and ask or 2 or 3 juta. Best deal I think I ever got was 2 girls at the same time who could only stay for 2 hours. They were repeats and only wanted 400 each for a threesome. I went to sleep with a smile that night.[/QUOTE]Ceegee,

Thanks for your reply. I have exchanged messages with two girls on IndoCupid. One girl, Chrieztians (the girl with the tattoo on her chest) wanted a laptop or a motorcycle, and thought my offer of 800,000 IDR was insultingly low. The other, Melanie, wants $150 USD (almost 2 million IDR, if I'm correct) for only 3 hours in my hotel room. I've haven't been to Indonesia yet, but I reckon this is too high?

[QUOTE=HotMale9833;1697732]Ceegee,

Thanks for your reply. I have exchanged messages with two girls on IndoCupid. One girl, Chrieztians (the girl with the tattoo on her chest) wanted a laptop or a motorcycle, and thought my offer of 800,000 IDR was insultingly low. The other, Melanie, wants $150 USD (almost 2 million IDR, if I'm correct) for only 3 hours in my hotel room. I've haven't been to Indonesia yet, but I reckon this is too high?[/QUOTE]In my opinion, the tattoo chick is worth about 500 k for all night (although I wouldn't even want her for free). Melanie is worth 1 to 1. 5 million for 3 hours depending on how well she services you. But if I was going to pay that much, I would prefer just going to BATS or CJs and chatting the girl up in person over a beer first.

[QUOTE=HotMale9833;1697732]The other, Melanie, wants $150 USD (almost 2 million IDR, if I'm correct) for only 3 hours in my hotel room. I've haven't been to Indonesia yet, but I reckon this is too high?[/QUOTE]I recognize this one from CJ's.

Anyway, it's really competitive there (5 girls to every guy, so it's a buyers market) and if you asked her in person there around closing time I bet she would drop to 1. 300.000 (that's almost a hundred bucks). No reason to be overpaying. Try not to tell them you're still new to Indonesia as they'll take that as a sign to trick you for more money.

[QUOTE=HotMale9833;1697732]Ceegee,

Thanks for your reply. I have exchanged messages with two girls on IndoCupid. One girl, Chrieztians (the girl with the tattoo on her chest) wanted a laptop or a motorcycle, and thought my offer of 800,000 IDR was insultingly low. The other, Melanie, wants $150 USD (almost 2 million IDR, if I'm correct) for only 3 hours in my hotel room. I've haven't been to Indonesia yet, but I reckon this is too high?[/QUOTE]Yes, both girls are too high. I think I recognize the tattoo girl, and if it's who I think it is, I'd stay away from her completely. The other girl, Melanie, looks promising, but her requested rate is too high. My take is that she's just trying to see how much she can get from a foreigner who might think he's getting a bargain in comparison with the rates back home in the US / UK / Australia etc. , and I'm sure she'll lower her money demands once you show her that you know the local rates. But Smoothy's advice is solid.

Good luck! I look forward to reading your trip reports.

[QUOTE=HotMale9833;1697732]Ceegee,

Thanks for your reply. I have exchanged messages with two girls on IndoCupid. One girl, Chrieztians (the girl with the tattoo on her chest) wanted a laptop or a motorcycle, and thought my offer of 800,000 IDR was insultingly low. The other, Melanie, wants $150 USD (almost 2 million IDR, if I'm correct) for only 3 hours in my hotel room. I've haven't been to Indonesia yet, but I reckon this is too high?[/QUOTE]You have some good responses here already from people that have been playing the game longer than I have.

This is a business transaction and the seller will try to get as much for their goods as they can. IMHO, both these girls are trying to rip you off and have you picked as a newbie. One wants a motorcycle? Seriously? I would be laughing all the way to the next profile. Especially with MS saying he recognises her and you should stay away.

I would state on your profile or tell the girls that you are a frequent traveler to Jakarta, and that you know the market pricing. Even if you don't.

Another tactic I use it to tell the girls I will pay extra for good service on top of the negotiated base rate. Need to keep them motivated, otherwise the bad ones will just starfish, try to leave early, and demand the negotiated amount. Always offer the hope of repeat business, it improves the service often.

Oh, another tip, every time they talk dollars, switch it back to rupiah. The rupiah has dropped so much, they know $100 in your home country is not very much. One girl I was talking to yesterday asked for $200. That is about 2.6 million rupiah now. At first I just told her that her price was crazy high and I was not interested. She came back and said she would negotiate. So I offered her Rp500.000 and she countered with Rp750.000, which is about US $58. She is not a stunner, but has a nice big set of titties that I am tempted to play with on my next trip and I will give her the Rp750.000 because she came down a lot and I don't want to argue over a few bucks anymore.

Another girl I negotiated with recently, sent me some stunning pics. So good I am worried they are fake. I offered my usual 500, she countered with something like 1.5 million, and we finally agreed on Rp900.000 for 2 shots. If the pics are real and the service is good, she will be worth every penny and I will repeat. If the pics are fake I will send her home with nothing as soon as I meet her.

So the price does vary widely, depends on the girl, where she comes from, how badly she needs money, if you are a repeat customer that she likes, and how much you can be bothered to negotiate over the last few bucks. Places like CJs / BATS are high end hotels and you should expect to pay more in them.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;1681703]

P.S. I'm happy to read that you did not patronize the girl who wanted 3 million for all night. Ridiculous![/QUOTE]During my last trip to Jakarta (which was also my first time), I visited BATS one night. Met a 8. She quoted me $300 for ST. I looked at her and told her 1 million for the night and walked away. She probably still thinks I am cheap charlie. Hehe. But I am glad that I had perused this thread.

Earlier that night before reaching to BATS, I ended up at the Ritz Carlton lounge thinking that BATS is located there. Ended up chatting with the 2 girls who were working at that time. When asked what their recommendation would be for a club. The answer was CJ's. Their shift was ending in about an hour and I almost offered them to accompany me but the curiosity in me wanted to check out BATS so I held myself back. Later that night, ended up picking a cute one from BATS (after the $300 offer) only to find out that she was another star fish (yep rookie mistake). Kicked her out of the room in less than an hour after 1 shot and went to bed. The next day, I flew out and promised myself that I will return soon. Guess where I will stopping by in my next trip.

One thing I can never understand: After how many hours does ST become LT?

[QUOTE=Chuday;1698265] I visited BATS one night. Met a 8. She quoted me $300 for ST.
One thing I can never understand: After how many hours does ST become LT?[/QUOTE]$300 - wow that's Brix Singapore pricing. And with the rupiah at such a low rate, that's 3. 9 m rupiah for a ST.

Top shelf import girls in Alexis are half that!

Sure there are ladies out there that command this. But there not working in BATS I can guarantee you that.

Glad you stuck to your guns on this one.

My exp is ST is 2 hrs min and 3 hrs max, Usually 2 pops for me, depends on the girl of course and your digs and your host abilities.

LT is often until 8 am-ish, but some girls will hang all afternoon the next day if the hotel, mood, food is all good.

For me usually max 3 pops, 2 in the night and 1 in the morning.

Met Viet girl in Macau, and we trade chat info, and have chatting regularly, also meet up several times when I am back. Always very GFE, and never ask for money. I thought I hit th jackpot, real freebee! Well, she got tired Macau and go to Indo on "a friend"s tip. She say she now work some place where she only massage. Can't make enough money only enough to eat and rent and owe the people that bring her there $1,500 for her flight and job to get passport back to go home. Her visa up soon if she don't pay then she pays more to get it back.

Do you old hands think this story is real? Sound like she is in with very bad people. In person very sweet, dunno if she would be playing me so long to ask for so much. Its a lot but don't want her trapped either. In a year she never ask for anything except small gift (80) one time.

What would you do?

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1698378]
My exp is ST is 2 hrs min and 3 hrs max, Usually 2 pops for me, depends on the girl of course and your digs and your host abilities.[/QUOTE]While that's possible, I'm not so sure it's the norm. The norm for me (and I would think for most guys who have to wake up in the morning) is for the girl to be on her way about an hour after her arrival. Normally I take the girl to my place, joke around with her and take some pictures for a half hour or so, shower together (I never shower separately just in case the girl is not trustworthy to leave alone with my things), then either some more photos or directly to bed. Once in bed, the girl will immediately begin giving me a BJ to get me aroused, then we will screw for approximately 5 to 20 minutes. I then show the girl the door within 10 minutes of me cumming so I can get some sleep. The last thing I want is for the girl to hang out in my place after that. I can't even remember the last time I had "2 pops" for a short time. I have no desire to do that.

The old joke is "What is the definition of misery in Jakarta?" "When you have come and her taxi hasn't. ".

If I keep a girl long time (this is very rare and I would have to really like that girl), I will normally have her arrive at my place around 8 pm and stay until noon the next day. This will be a girl I already know from doing a short time with her in the past. I will never take a girl long time that I haven't already tested out as a short time girl. I only do it on the weekend, and will sleep until 7 pm prior to her arrival and take a viagra to ensure that I can enjoy my time with her. In between rounds, I have her give me a massage. The biggest drawback to a long time girl is that you pretty much always have to feed her while she is with you.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1698394]While that's possible, I'm not so sure it's the norm. The norm for me (and I would think for most guys who have to wake up in the morning) is for the girl to be on her way about an hour after her arrival. Normally I take the girl to my place, joke around with her and take some pictures for a half hour or so, shower together (I never shower separately just in case the girl is not trustworthy to leave alone with my things), then either some more photos or directly to bed. Once in bed, the girl will immediately begin giving me a BJ to get me aroused, then we will screw for approximately 5 to 20 minutes. I then show the girl the door within 10 minutes of me cumming so I can get some sleep. The last thing I want is for the girl to hang out in my place after that. I can't even remember the last time I had "2 pops" for a short time. I have no desire to do that.

The old joke is "What is the definition of misery in Jakarta?" "When you have come and her taxi hasn't. ".

If I keep a girl long time (this is very rare and I would have to really like that girl), I will normally have her arrive at my place around 8 pm and stay until noon the next day. This will be a girl I already know from doing a short time with her in the past. I will never take a girl long time that I haven't already tested out as a short time girl. I only do it on the weekend, and will sleep until 7 pm prior to her arrival and take a viagra to ensure that I can enjoy my time with her. In between rounds, I have her give me a massage. The biggest drawback to a long time girl is that you pretty much always have to feed her while she is with you.[/QUOTE]Hey Smoothy, It is also highly dependent on alcohol and cialis consumption, and also the time of the night and work commitments. And yes at times I am there just for a quickie and need to get my beauty sleep.

Having said all that, these days my rendezvous are generally daytime. For numerous reasons. So LT doesn't come up often these days in my line of mongering.

One things for sure. If you do 1 pop or 2 in the night, a morning pop is expected and virtually guaranteed from a LT companion.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1698404] a morning pop is expected and virtually guaranteed from a LT companion.[/QUOTE]I agree with that. Unless I am the one turning down morning sex, I let the girl know that if she doesn't have sex with me in the morning that I will give her short time money rather than long time. If they complain, I normally ask them if they have ever heard the phrase "no money, no honey". They always have. I tell them it works both ways, if they don't have sex with me then "no honey, no money".

On a recent trip to the provinces, meet a late 20-something cutie through badoo. One of those rare ones where the pictures do not do her justice. The profile pics portrayed maybe a 6, normal looking office girl. What turned up was more like an 8, maybe 8.5!

She was so keen to meet, I thought she was in it for the money. Nope, I almost lost her when I steered the conversation towards money. Had to do some back pedaling there. She just wanted the bule cock inside her, and she wants to meet again as soon as I go back. The sight of her tight hard body riding on top of me with her head thrown back and moaning deeply while she cums will stay with me for awhile.

BUT, and there is always a but, she was very tentative about giving me a BJ, was not even that keen on doggie style, by this time I had given up any idea of probing the back door to see if anal was on the table. Since she was a freebie, I had no pricing power and I imagine she would have immediately walked out the door if I grabbed the back of her head and shoved it down on my cock! Sometimes there is something to be said for paying up to get exactly what you want. But who does not like a freebie. Will I repeat? Yes, I am weak. Haha.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1698378]
My exp is ST is 2 hrs min and 3 hrs max, Usually 2 pops for me, depends on the girl of course and your digs and your host abilities.

LT is often until 8 am-ish, but some girls will hang all afternoon the next day if the hotel, mood, food is all good.

For me usually max 3 pops, 2 in the night and 1 in the morning.[/QUOTE]Pretty much same for me HHM. I don't take cialis so I need a reasonable rest between rounds. Smoothy, you old charmer, since you live in Jakarta you have the girls on demand anytime you want.

If it has been a long time between trips to Jakarta for me, sometimes I am still like a kid in a candy store when I get off the airplane.

HHM. Thanks for the tip between ST & LT.

Smoothy. You brought up excellent points and its clear that you are speaking from your experiences. Most of my encounters have been hit-and-run (ST? Will follow your suggestion and get that LT checked off my list someday.

Ceegee - "A kid in the candy store" is an understatement. I am wondering if I should just relocate to Jakarta. That will be dream come true.

Hey Smoothy.

Who should I dial for "Male Vitality" Outcalls? It feels awkward, since I have not contributed much to this forum. At the same time this posts of yours have added yet one more item to my "to-do list".

BTW, I did RTFF the first 20 pages of the Jakarta forum. Perhaps I need to dig more?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1695486]As far as the "extra" price for sex at a place that gives an actual massage, you guys are giving them the same money as I give them. I frequent the local indonesian sex chat sites and they are paying the same. The price of the actual massage, then plus 400 to 600 k for full sex.

I do find though that if I call the outcall girls to come to my place who provide the "male vitality" massage, 2 hours for 200 k (250 k if you are in a hotel because they have to give the security guy 50 k), they want a bit more for full sex than the in house hotel massage girls want. Then again, they are usually better looking too since the service makes sure the girls are sexy. The hottest massage girl I ever had was from one of those services. Sometimes those girls won't settle for less than 800 k to a million for full sex. Their massages are far better than the ones you get from the hotel masseuse though. They focus on your ass and balls most of the oil massage. I really feel vitalized after those massages. I always make the guy who runs the male vitality massage service send me a photo of the girl via whatsapp before I agree to have her come to my apartment or hotel. I prefer that to using the masseuse from the hotel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chuday;1698573]Hey Smoothy.

Who should I dial for "Male Vitality" Outcalls? [/QUOTE]+1.

I join my voice to Chuday in order to know more about the Male Vitality masseuses who are more beautiful than normal massage girls in Jakarta.

Sounds just like my thing!

I believe it's against the rules to post phone numbers on the forum.

Smoothy,

Sorry. Did not want to imply that hand me the digits over a silver platter. Am hoping you would share some pointers such as xyz area. Or call up listings and ask for "abc services. ".

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1698591]I believe it's against the rules to post phone numbers on the forum.[/QUOTE]

Those are not "real" businesses. I don't have any idea how you could look them up. I have the phone numbers because random unknown people slip business cards under my apartment door almost every week. They sell "male vitality" massage and always promise that the girls are under 25 years old and good looking (not all of them are actually young and good looking, so you need to get them to send you a photo first). But many times the girls are quite nice. The girls will come your your place and the price is 200k for a 2 hour oil massage where they mainly massage your cock, balls, and ass, but they do give you a true full body massage. Most times they actually do give quite a good massage. Then at the end, they try to negotiate extra to get you off with a handjob, bj, or full sex. I'm normally quite excited by that time since they are usually quite expert at the art of sensual cock and ball massage taking you to the brink, but not getting you off yet. These "businesses" don't last long, so the phone numbers are rarely good for more than a year. It's usually an indo guy who knows a couple of girls who want to make some extra money who printed up some business cards at Blok M or somewhere similar and paid some young kids to slip the cards under people's doors. I find that the attractive girls will never come to visit until after 6pm, and usually even after 10pm, but they will gladly come between 10pm and 3am. And like typical indo girls, they are normally an hour or so late.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1698718]Those are not "real" businesses. I don't have any idea how you could look them up. I have the phone numbers because random unknown people slip business cards under my apartment door almost every week. They sell "male vitality" massage and always promise that the girls are under 25 years old and good looking (not all of them are actually young and good looking, so you need to get them to send you a photo first). But many times the girls are quite nice. The girls will come your your place and the price is 200k for a 2 hour oil massage where they mainly massage your cock, balls, and ass, but they do give you a true full body massage. Most times they actually do give quite a good massage. Then at the end, they try to negotiate extra to get you off with a handjob, bj, or full sex. I'm normally quite excited by that time since they are usually quite expert at the art of sensual cock and ball massage taking you to the brink, but not getting you off yet. These "businesses" don't last long, so the phone numbers are rarely good for more than a year. It's usually an indo guy who knows a couple of girls who want to make some extra money who printed up some business cards at Blok M or somewhere similar and paid some young kids to slip the cards under people's doors. I find that the attractive girls will never come to visit until after 6pm, and usually even after 10pm, but they will gladly come between 10pm and 3am. And like typical indo girls, they are normally an hour or so late.[/QUOTE]To Smoothy.

I stay in many hotel in Jarkata and Bali I never have got any business card slip in the door at my hotel before, but in China and Thailand I get this all the time even hotel staff knock on my door ask me if I need company or massage, I like to go out and hunt for myself anyway is more fun.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1698467]On a recent trip to the provinces, meet a late 20-something cutie through badoo. One of those rare ones where the pictures do not do her justice. The profile pics portrayed maybe a 6, normal looking office girl. What turned up was more like an 8, maybe 8.5!

She was so keen to meet, I thought she was in it for the money. Nope, I almost lost her when I steered the conversation towards money. Had to do some back pedaling there. She just wanted the bule cock inside her, and she wants to meet again as soon as I go back. The sight of her tight hard body riding on top of me with her head thrown back and moaning deeply while she cums will stay with me for awhile.

BUT, and there is always a but, she was very tentative about giving me a BJ, was not even that keen on doggie style, by this time I had given up any idea of probing the back door to see if anal was on the table. Since she was a freebie, I had no pricing power and I imagine she would have immediately walked out the door if I grabbed the back of her head and shoved it down on my cock! Sometimes there is something to be said for paying up to get exactly what you want. But who does not like a freebie. Will I repeat? Yes, I am weak. Haha.[/QUOTE]This story puts Indonesia near the top of my list for my next trip! I've found that chances are actually pretty good to find freebies in SE Asia, be it PI, Thailand, or Vietnam. Did you just do normal flirting / chatting before you met up?

Thank you Smoothy for taking the trouble to explain "male vitality" massage. Folks such as yourself make the forum and you are one lucky guy.

Cheers,

Chuday.

[QUOTE=Flint45;1698383]Met Viet girl in Macau, and we trade chat info, and have chatting regularly, also meet up several times when I am back. Always very GFE, and never ask for money. I thought I hit th jackpot, real freebee! Well, she got tired Macau and go to Indo on "a friend"s tip. She say she now work some place where she only massage. Can't make enough money only enough to eat and rent and owe the people that bring her there $1,500 for her flight and job to get passport back to go home. Her visa up soon if she don't pay then she pays more to get it back.

Do you old hands think this story is real? Sound like she is in with very bad people. In person very sweet, dunno if she would be playing me so long to ask for so much. Its a lot but don't want her trapped either. In a year she never ask for anything except small gift (80) one time.

What would you do?[/QUOTE]Hmm. This sounds a bit like what I hear Thai girls doing, where there is always a sick family member. But why not give the sick family member story? I would think that'd be a higher chance of success? So maybe this one is real. And $1500 is a lot to ask for!

[QUOTE=Dirk67;1698788]Hmm. This sounds a bit like what I hear Thai girls doing, where there is always a sick family member. But why not give the sick family member story? I would think that'd be a higher chance of success? So maybe this one is real. And $1500 is a lot to ask for![/QUOTE]I would stay as far away from this as possible. Look, they know that what's between their legs can get them anything they want. And it can. I amazes me how many guys full in love with these WG's and Mary them and feed them money from afar.

If she is for real, and I seriously doubt that, then you come and take care of her and get her out of Jakarta. If she was in Macau then chances are she a WG, being from VN to begin with and then I can't understand why she would leave Macau. That big money. I have a friend that goes there a lot and he pays $250.00 for an hour with a pick from the line up.

There is to many fish in the sea to throw money at something like that. Good luck.

RL.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1698467]What turned up was more like an 8, maybe 8.5![/QUOTE]Any pictures? I'm curious what an 8. 5 in Indonesia looks like.

[QUOTE=Flint45;1698383]Met Viet girl in Macau, and we trade chat info, and have chatting regularly, also meet up several times when I am back. Always very GFE, and never ask for money. I thought I hit the jackpot, real freebee! Well, she got tired Macau and go to Indo on "a friend"s tip. She say she now work some place where she only massage. Can't make enough money only enough to eat and rent and owe the people that bring her there $1,500 for her flight and job to get passport back to go home. Her visa up soon if she don't pay then she pays more to get it back.

Do you old hands think this story is real? Sound like she is in with very bad people. In person very sweet, dunno if she would be playing me so long to ask for so much. Its a lot but don't want her trapped either. In a year she never ask for anything except small gift (80) one time.

What would you do?[/QUOTE]Yes, it's a scam, don't believe any of it. $1,500 for a flight from Macau to Indonesia? During this time of year, the fare should be to $300 to $500 round-trip Hong-Kong-Jakarta depending on the airline (plus the ferry fare from Macau to Hong Kong). In fact, one can buy a round-trip ticket from Hong Kong to New York for around $800-900.

Your last paragraph describes one modus operandi for these girls - don't ask for any money at first, then go for a big hit.

I must also say that this is a strange topic for someone who has written only one post. Why haven't you written anything about your exploits in the past?

[QUOTE=Dirk67;1698786]This story puts Indonesia near the top of my list for my next trip! I've found that chances are actually pretty good to find freebies in SE Asia, be it PI, Thailand, or Vietnam. Did you just do normal flirting / chatting before you met up?[/QUOTE]You know what they say about something that seems to good to be true. That has been at the back of my mind ever since I met her. I tried to arrange a repeat this morning and she asked me for 1 million rupiah. Not sure if she is playing a long game, or really has a need for some quick cash. She has it in the looks department, but not in the service level provided, so I won't repeat at that price.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1698809]Any pictures? I'm curious what an 8. 5 in Indonesia looks like.[/QUOTE]I don't do pics. Too much information embedded in them these days, and my situation does not cater for creating evidence of these activities.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;1698811]Yes, it's a scam, don't believe any of it. $1,500 for a flight from Macau to Indonesia? During this time of year, the fare should be to $300 to $500 round-trip Hong-Kong-Jakarta depending on the airline (plus the ferry fare from Macau to Hong Kong). In fact, one can buy a round-trip ticket from Hong Kong to New York for around $800-900.

Your last paragraph describes one modus operandi for these girls - don't ask for any money at first, then go for a big hit.

I must also say that this is a strange topic for someone who has written only one post. Why haven't you written anything about your exploits in the past?[/QUOTE]I post under different name before.

She say it for flight from Viet, rent, and find job. Sound like she got trick? She tell me she do Macau too long and don't like there anymore, but she make big mistake go to Indo.

You think she play this game this long? We meet over one year ago.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1698833]I tried to arrange a repeat this morning and she asked me for 1 million rupiah. Not sure if she is playing a long game, or really has a need for some quick cash.[/QUOTE]Here's what most likely happened. She is not a "pro" so she did not demand money from you the first time, expecting that you would give her money anyway when it was all said and done. Since she's fairly new to the game, she was not comfortable discussing money and didn't demand money when you didn't give it. She then went home crying to her friends that you didn't give her money. They told her that most guys will give money without asking, but since you did not, she has to demand money up front. So she is now demanding money up front.

That kind of thing used to happen to me when I was new in Jakarta. I was too naive to realize that even when these girls don't demand money, they still actually desperately need it. I would even ask them "do you need money"? And they wouldn't say anything and would seem uncomfortable with the question, so I wouldn't give it to them. After I lived in Jakarta longer and got to know these girl's situations, those girls absolutely needed that money. Hell, back then it was only 300k. Looking back on my youth, I feel bad to have not given the "nicer" girls money when they left. You were lucky to find one these days. They used to be the norm in Indonesia, but now the norm is for the girls to be hard core and pretty much always demand money up front.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1698929]Here's what most likely happened. She is not a "pro" so she did not demand money from you the first time, expecting that you would give her money anyway when it was all said and done. Since she's fairly new to the game, she was not comfortable discussing money and didn't demand money when you didn't give it. [/QUOTE]Yeah, since my last post I have been wondering if she was new to the game. That would certainly match some of her mannerisms and service level. The thing that totally threw me off was that I specifically asked her up front if she wanted money, she said no, got offended and said she was not like that. So I put my wallet away and just enjoyed.

I have been with women in Jakarta who work normal office jobs, have no interest in being paid and find it quite offensive when money is offered. This one had me convinced she was one of them. Although she is talking to me again on whatsapp this morning, so I might have one more go, I am such a glutton for punishment.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1699175]I specifically asked her up front if she wanted money, she said no, got offended and said she was not like that. [/QUOTE]Then it's her own fault. Given that she just asked you for a million rupiah, she obviously does want money. It sounds like she's trying to position herself for big money.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1699204]Then it's her own fault. Given that she just asked you for a million rupiah, she obviously does want money. It sounds like she's trying to position herself for big money.[/QUOTE]I said I was weak. I just did her again and gave her 1 juta. I figured it averaged out at the 500 k I like to pay haha. I am a bit intrigued with trying to figure out this ones story. She is already telling me by messenger that she wants to see me again and won't ask for money again, she just had a short term need for some cash and she really is not that kind of girl. She is from a small town, has never lived in Jakarta so maybe she is telling the truth and I am just jaded. Or maybe she was just positioning herself for big money and I will get bored with her soon and never see her again.

Hi all,

New to this forum, just found it. I had some time in Indonesia last October so will post about a couple of my adventures.

Arrived in Jakarta on a Thursday and a mate took me to bats on the first night. To be honest not really my scene, but anyway hurled a few drinks down and got chatting to a nice enough girl called Ina. She spoke good English. I bought her 2 Long Island Ice tea's. She can drink.

Anyway she asked if I was after some action and said she would give me great service for 2 million. I politely excused myself and we headed to Blok M.

Arrived at Top Gun and this was busy, more casual, exactly what I was after. Anyway me and my 2 mates were enjoying ourselves, horsing around with some girls etc and then Ina from Bats showed up. She said Hello, took up my offer for a drink and got a bit close. Time slipped by, it was about 3 am and she said lets go to your hotel, I said not on those rates to which she replied, no those are Bats rates, I like you, you have bought me several drinks, so 800 for the night.

Being my first night and smitten by all the young flesh on offer I agreed. Anyway we went outside and she said she would drive, I said wtf you have a car? And you have been drinking but she said no problem, so off we go in a silver Suzuki to the hotel.

In the room, she strips me down and has a play before we hit the shower, some sensual soaping up then she sat on the toilet seat and blew me for a while, I then take her from the back as she leans on the handbasin, trim body all firm, shaven pussy with a hint of stubble, I was tempted to offer my razor. Anyway I pumped vigorously for a couple more minutes and had a quick unload. We crashed out and about 9 am the next morning I slipped it in again and we had a more leisurely session.

After some coffee she excused herself and left. We agreed to meet again. My friend later told me that in her younger days she was a dancer at Mybar.

Anyway, that was my first for that Jakarta trip. Will post some more later.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1699217]I said I was weak. I just did her again and gave her 1 juta. I figured it averaged out at the 500 k I like to pay haha. I am a bit intrigued with trying to figure out this ones story. She is already telling me by messenger that she wants to see me again and won't ask for money again, she just had a short term need for some cash and she really is not that kind of girl. She is from a small town, has never lived in Jakarta so maybe she is telling the truth and I am just jaded. Or maybe she was just positioning herself for big money and I will get bored with her soon and never see her again.[/QUOTE]Sounds like an interesting story. I only do dating sites nowadays and had someone over last week somewhat similar to your girl. She wasn't keen to eat dinner and only seemed keen to get back to the room. No mention of money, and she was definitely in it for the enjoyment. Took our time and the only clue came when I asked if she need some money for the taxi. She said yes, but didn't ask for anything in particular. I just put 600 k in her bag which she didn't look at or count in my presence and walked her over to catch an express taxi. Mind you, that was the only one I gave money to. One picked me up in her BMW, and the other in her Honda Jazz. Both were quite uninterested in money, and still on BBM with me almost on a daily basis. I just hope I can maintain the balance because these women are so damned easy to fall in love with if you're not careful.

Incidentally thank you Menteng and JAD. I thoroughly enjoyed our very long conversation. I must be getting old if I spent more than six hours meeting you guys, foregoing a potential "victim" that was available during that time. It's so rare to meet one of my kind mentors and the man who took me all over Jakarta when I was green. Your time was much appreciated.

MD II.

[QUOTE=MasterDiverII;1699293]One picked me up in her BMW, and the other in her Honda Jazz. [/QUOTE]May I ask how old these women were? Are these tante girang?

[QUOTE=Chuday;1698265]During my last trip to Jakarta (which was also my first time), I visited BATS one night. Met a 8. She quoted me $300 for ST. I looked at her and told her 1 million for the night and walked away. She probably still thinks I am cheap charlie. Hehe. But I am glad that I had perused this thread.

Earlier that night before reaching to BATS, I ended up at the Ritz Carlton lounge thinking that BATS is located there. Ended up chatting with the 2 girls who were working at that time. When asked what their recommendation would be for a club. The answer was CJ's. Their shift was ending in about an hour and I almost offered them to accompany me but the curiosity in me wanted to check out BATS so I held myself back. Later that night, ended up picking a cute one from BATS (after the $300 offer) only to find out that she was another star fish (yep rookie mistake). Kicked her out of the room in less than an hour after 1 shot and went to bed. The next day, I flew out and promised myself that I will return soon. Guess where I will stopping by in my next trip.

One thing I can never understand: After how many hours does ST become LT?[/QUOTE]I go so often to BATS that most of the staff and the regular girls know me by face. When someone quotes a ridiculous price, I just laugh and move on.

The absolute maximum I have paid at BATS is 1. 5 juta and this to a smoking hot girl who was a university student at that time. I know because she has so many pics of her graduation later on whatsapp. But now, you do see her a lot more at BATS.

I am never the price police but at USD 300 is more than what is quoted at Brix, Singapore (as someone mentioned).

In the BATS girl's opinion, ST is one time, regardless of the time. LT is min 2 and rest depends on the chemistry. I like them to stay with me and it's usually LT for me. Normally, 800 K to 1 million is the median price to stay till morning. But I normally pick them after 1. I reach there early and only go with girls who are there from the time I arrive.

Cheers,

McM.

[QUOTE=McMaiden;1699713]
I am never the price police but at USD 300 is more than what is quoted at Brix, Singapore (as someone mentioned).[/QUOTE]I think the normal price at Bats for one of the nicer girls is 1. 5 million (the absolute stunners may want more) while the normal price at Brix is 300 sing dollars. Although I was at Brix a few years ago, and Serlyana (many forum members may likely know her from Jakarta and Bali) quoted my friend $700 usd. The sad thing is he wanted to pay her that much because he thought she was the hottest indo girl he had seen in his life. I had shagged her a few years earlier in Jakarta after pulling her out of CJs for 700,000 rupiah. But that was prior to her boob job. After the boob job, she became quite stunning and her price did go up drastically. I will say that as hot as she was at that time, she would have been worth 300 usd from Bats. But 700 usd? Come on.

There is no set price for girls at any of these places. When you get an absolute stunner, her price is going to be higher.

Some questions about the local transportation and usual rates for negotiations as not to be rip off.

I know most mongers usually take the meter taxi such as bluebird for the hassle free trip. Also the Transjakarta bus line but they run limited routes so may not be along the routes that will get me to some places I like to see or do but at least they have a fixed price.

What is the proper prices for Ojek- moto taxi or the Bajak- tuk tuks as they seem useful for shorted trips? Also wondering if they are safe to use or just true rip offs to the foreigners?

Plan on doing some sights and travel around between monger sites using the ojeks or Bajaks if they are worth using.

I plan on staying in the Mangga Besar area in North Jakarta.

So using the Mangga Besar as starting point,
What should be the correct rates to.

1) Mangga Dua.

2) king Cross Spa.

3) Gambir station.

4) Classic hotel spa

5) Alexis

Thanks

[QUOTE=Sharka;1700400]Plan on doing some sights and travel around between monger sites using the ojeks or Bajaks if they are worth using.

I plan on staying in the Mangga Besar area in North Jakarta.

What should be the correct rates to.

1) Mangga Dua.

2) king Cross Spa.

3) Gambir station.[/QUOTE]I prefer using taxis these days (with meter) as I can't be bothered negotiating with the ojeks, but for reference here is what I pay using ojek from Gajah Mada (close to Mangga Besar):

Mangga Dua: 25/30.

King Cross: 50 (though always went there at night only when the traffic is calm. Before 7 PM I bet they would ask more).

Gambir Station: 30.

[QUOTE=Sharka;1700400]What is the proper prices for Ojek- moto taxi
Also wondering if they are safe to use or just true rip offs to the foreigners?

Plan on doing some sights and travel around between monger sites using the ojeks or Bajaks if they are worth using.

I plan on staying in the Mangga Besar area in North Jakarta.

So using the Mangga Besar as starting point,
What should be the correct rates to.

1) Mangga Dua.

2) king Cross Spa.

3) Gambir station.

4) Classic hotel spa

5) Alexis

Thanks[/QUOTE]Others may find different experiences, but I generally pay the ojek driver what I would pay a bluebird taxi (on a good traffic day), which you seem familiar. The benefit is you get there in half the time, sometimes even less.

I haven't used an Ojek for the areas you describe, but I think;.

Kings Cross 10-15 k.

Mangga Dua no more than 15 k-25 k.

Gambir, maybe 20-30 k.

Classic is before Gambir but close, so 15-25 k.

Alexis, I wouldn't take an Ojek. For this you might consider a taxi, depending on flooding around the time you are here. Its a tollroad for part of it, and I think better by taxi, but others may have a different opinion. ?

Unlike a bluebird, the time of the day, the demand on the Ojek driver, your negotiation skills. All come into play with the price.

AND something to consider, I have had many an Ojek driver offer to wait whilst you do the deed. They charge a tad more, but hey why not. I once paid 60 k for an Ojek to from Gran Indo Fortune behind LeMeridian and 2 hrs inside and a return trip back to Gran Indo. The truly amazing thing is, after 3 yrs, whenever I see him he asks if I want Ojek to Fortune. How do they remember?

I don't pay for Ojeks up north. So I couldn't really be sure of these prices, but my recent experience is an ojek from BlokM to Maliboro on NYE and paid 60 k. BlokM to Kemang paid 20 k.

I know a girl who pays 500 k a month for an Ojek driver to take her to and from work everyday. From Grogol to Sudirman.

Remember, if its a decent distance negotiate beforehand, otherwise if its under 10 mins, 10 k-20 k works well.

I've been on this forum for over 10 years and nobody has discussed using Ojeks until just this past month. What's up with that? My guess is some people who normally spend all their time in Thailand or the Philippines are wanting to try a new country. They use motorbikes in LOS and the PI, so they think it's the same in Indonesia. Jakarta is not the same as Philippines or Thailand. Motorbikes are great in those places, but I wouldn't recommend them in Jakarta. An Ojek is no cheaper than a taxi and the only time I'd even consider an Ojek in Jakarta is during rush hour traffic. But for mongering, there is no reason to be traveling during rush hour traffic. A true monger is sleeping at that time. When I first came to Jakarta, I rode an ojek and the idiot driver crashed into a car and I went flying, so I never take them anymore. Whenever you see a girl with scarred up legs (and you see them often), it's because of her riding on ojeks and the ojeks having accidents.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1700519]But for mongering, there is no reason to be traveling during rush hour traffic. A true monger is sleeping at that time.[/QUOTE]Sometimes though an ojek makes things quicker as they cut through traffic in ways a taxi can't.

I wake up around 2 PM, head to one of the Kota places by 3 PM then by 5 PM already back home and sleeping until 9 PM when I head for my second shot.

If price is of interest most of these places are well connected by the Kopaja bus, for me never had a problem regarding theft and for 3000 where you can get off where required it does the job also for other routes microlets are on hand.

[QUOTE=Sharka;1700400]Some questions about the local transportation and usual rates for negotiations as not to be rip off.

I know most mongers usually take the meter taxi such as bluebird for the hassle free trip. Also the Transjakarta bus line but they run limited routes so may not be along the routes that will get me to some places I like to see or do but at least they have a fixed price.

What is the proper prices for Ojek- moto taxi or the Bajak- tuk tuks as they seem useful for shorted trips? Also wondering if they are safe to use or just true rip offs to the foreigners?

Plan on doing some sights and travel around between monger sites using the ojeks or Bajaks if they are worth using.

I plan on staying in the Mangga Besar area in North Jakarta.

So using the Mangga Besar as starting point,
What should be the correct rates to.

1) Mangga Dua.

2) king Cross Spa.

3) Gambir station.

4) Classic hotel spa

5) Alexis

Thanks[/QUOTE]Safety should be everyone's concern when in Jakarta or BKK. I have heard that the Ojeks in BKK are all meth heads and I assume the same in Jakarta. And what about the air and the heat? No way. Give me a good secure Taxi any day. WE had an Ojek slam into the side of a Taxi we were in in Jakarta. We had to flag another Taxi because the driver had to haggle with the Ojek driver over repairs. Both were hurt on the Ojek. We were untouched.

RL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1700519]I've been on this forum for over 10 years and nobody has discussed using Ojeks until just this past month. What's up with that? My guess is some people who normally spend all their time in Thailand or the Philippines are wanting to try a new country. They use motorbikes in LOS and the PI, so they think it's the same in Indonesia. Jakarta is not the same as Philippines or Thailand. Motorbikes are great in those places, but I wouldn't recommend them in Jakarta. An Ojek is no cheaper than a taxi and the only time I'd even consider an Ojek in Jakarta is during rush hour traffic. But for mongering, there is no reason to be traveling during rush hour traffic. A true monger is sleeping at that time. When I first came to Jakarta, I rode an ojek and the idiot driver crashed into a car and I went flying, so I never take them anymore. Whenever you see a girl with scarred up legs (and you see them often), it's because of her riding on ojeks and the ojeks having accidents.[/QUOTE]The behaviour of motorcyclists on the Jakarta roads is the reason they are starting to close off a number of roads for motorcycles. The way most of the motorcyclists squeeze between the other road users, thereby forcing them to brake because of the Indonesian "right of way rule" is contributing to the traffic jams. THey see no problem with this behaviour, never having had a driving education (there are no driving exams in Indonesia; you buy your licence and ask the nearest policeman to approve it). In quieter cities I have occasionally taken ojeks. In Jakarta I wouldn't dream of it.

Show me a woman in Indonesia without scars on her legs and you are showing a woman who doesn't Ojek. There aren't many of them.

Ojeks can be handy. In these circumstances:

- When the traffic is guaranteed to be gridlocked from start to destination.

- When it is a short distance and you need to walk (too short or awkward route for a taxi).

- When it isn't going to pour rain or isn't clear skies (I. E. You can see blue through the smog, meaning damn hot).

- When how you look or smell isn't important when you reach your destination.

The traffic level is especially important. You *do not* want to give the Ojek a chance to get up speed. One time I got an Ojek in Bali, late at night. No traffic, open road, just been raining, no helmet. Casual ride down the road turned into something resembling qualifying for Moto GP. Never again. Rides since require bumper to bumper traffic all the way to impede speed.

You could also try a Bajah. I probably spelt that wrong, and if not forum autocorrect probably will! Those 3 wheel noise machines couldn't get speed up when trying on a steep downhill run. But they can't get through traffic like an Ojek. Ideal for short runs or carrying things however.

If a regular, finding a reliable Ojek or Bajah for your daily run can also work out just fine.

All other times. Taxi. Even the Transjakarta has deteriorated over the years. In recent years it has taken longer to get *on* the damn bus than the journey north to south would have taken in a taxi.

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;1700754]Even the Transjakarta has deteriorated over the years. In recent years it has taken longer to get *on* the damn bus than the journey north to south would have taken in a taxi.[/QUOTE]Two or three years ago I used the Transjakarta buses a fair amount so as to negotiate around the traffic jams. But I got sick of using those buses around the time I honest to god had to on one ride open an umbrella to keep the rain that was [I]pouring[/I] through the roof off of me. There now are some newer buses, but I suspect there are still some running that are "umbrella worthy. " And all this on a bus system that is only about eleven years old (actually eight or nine at the time of the umbrella incident).

I suppose I like extremes in that since getting tired of the Transjakarta buses I now often use Silver Bird taxis to make waiting in the traffic jams less aggravating (and no umbrellas are needed).

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1700759]But I got sick of using those buses around the time I honest to god had to on one ride open an umbrella to keep the rain that was [I]pouring[/I] through the roof off of me.[/QUOTE]About 5 years ago I can recall hanging onto the rails holding the hand straps and wondering why it moved so much. The answer came a bit further down the bus: ONE bolt holding the lot onto the roof. I wonder how many more hours it held.

8 or 9 years ago the way to travel was for the crazy bule to get the Transjakarta up Sudirman and beat the taxis / private cars others travelled in. A relatively comfortable ride too as not many Indonesians wanted to use the bus due to the outrageously high charge of 3,000 rupiah. I guess that doesn't look so expensive now judging by the crowds.

Another favourite anecdote: 4 or 5 years ago someone decided to concrete over the asphalt in the busway lanes. Much delay and chaos results due to the buses needing to leave the lane and join normal traffic then get back in the lane after the roadworks. Except no steel reinforcement seemed to be added to the concrete overlay. Guess what they were doing again seemingly six months later? :)

Oh why not, here's another one: I was told the reason the original Transjakarta buses (or should I say, the older ones still running?) had doors on either side was due to them being imported from another country's system. Grand launch occurs, bus pulls up to the station to pick up the VIPs. With the door on the wrong side of bus. Busses imported from a "keep right" kind of country. Off to the panel works they go!

Some on here could probably verify if that story is true, but either way it pretty much sums up the general attention to detail and planning put to use in the country!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1699377]May I ask how old these women were? Are these tante girang?[/QUOTE]As I was telling Menteng, my age range seems to have widened drastically of late. There are some ladies in their forties who are in great shape and kept themselves well. However in this case, one was 42 and the other 28; one divorced, and the other still single. There's a plethora of choice, even with the much heavier competition on the dating sites over the last couple of years. Just looked at my whatsapp and BB (I keep a tab on the ages next to the names in my contact list) and the range is from 21 to 45; oh and also whether they're married or not. This city is crazy: I'm sitting in KL trying to figure out another excuse to head back there.

MD II.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1700438]Others may find different experiences, but I generally pay the ojek driver what I would pay a bluebird taxi (on a good traffic day), which you seem familiar. The benefit is you get there in half the time, sometimes even less.

I haven't used an Ojek for the areas you describe, but I think;.

Kings Cross 10-15 k.

Mangga Dua no more than 15 k-25 k.

Gambir, maybe 20-30 k.

Classic is before Gambir but close, so 15-25 k.

Alexis, I wouldn't take an Ojek. For this you might consider a taxi, depending on flooding around the time you are here. Its a tollroad for part of it, and I think better by taxi, but others may have a different opinion. ?

Unlike a bluebird, the time of the day, the demand on the Ojek driver, your negotiation skills. All come into play with the price.

AND something to consider, I have had many an Ojek driver offer to wait whilst you do the deed. They charge a tad more, but hey why not. I once paid 60 k for an Ojek to from Gran Indo Fortune behind LeMeridian and 2 hrs inside and a return trip back to Gran Indo. The truly amazing thing is, after 3 yrs, whenever I see him he asks if I want Ojek to Fortune. How do they remember?

I don't pay for Ojeks up north. So I couldn't really be sure of these prices, but my recent experience is an ojek from BlokM to Maliboro on NYE and paid 60 k. BlokM to Kemang paid 20 k.

I know a girl who pays 500 k a month for an Ojek driver to take her to and from work everyday. From Grogol to Sudirman.

Remember, if its a decent distance negotiate beforehand, otherwise if its under 10 mins, 10 k-20 k works well.[/QUOTE]To Hard Hat.

No way Mangar Besar to King cross in Kelapa Gading is only 15 k,I took a meter taxi from Lokasari plaza to King cross around 6 pm it take about 40 min a lot of traffic cost is over 50 k,I take ojek once in Jakarta never again the ride is too rough for me.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1701879]To Hard Hat.

No way Mangar Besar to King cross in Kelapa Gading is only 15 k,I took a meter taxi from Lokasari plaza to King cross around 6 pm it take about 40 min a lot of traffic cost is over 50 k,I take ojek once in Jakarta never again the ride is too rough for me.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Your probably right, Kelapa Gading is further than Mangga Besar. Probably more like 20-25 k if I re-think it.

But at 10 pm at night it should be no more than 10 mins on a ojek. For that I wouldn't pay more than 25 k.

Again, supply and demand. The time of the night. Your negotiation skills etc all come into play.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1701998]Your probably right, Kelapa Gading is further than Mangga Besar. Probably more like 20-25 k if I re-think it.

But at 10 pm at night it should be no more than 10 mins on a ojek. For that I wouldn't pay more than 25 k.

Again, supply and demand. The time of the night. Your negotiation skills etc all come into play.[/QUOTE]It's [B]impossible[/B] to find an ojek or taxi that will take you from King's Cross Kelapa Gading to Mangga Besar area at night for 25 k.

By the way. Coming from someone who actually mongers there back and forth from Mangga Besar on an almost daily basis for years, not what I think it should be or what I've read somewhere.

I am trying to visit Jakarta after about 4 years. I was a regular traveller before and has visited TC which was situated at Lokasari. One of the later visits I noticed that was closed down. TC was a nice place to hang around the opening time around 1. 00 pm as there were nice looking girls. Those who have visited there know what I mean. Does anyone know whether it has re-opened in another location or anything similar is currently operating. Appreciate if you can share any information.

[QUOTE=Pancha;1702184]I am trying to visit Jakarta after about 4 years. I was a regular traveller before and has visited TC which was situated at Lokasari. One of the later visits I noticed that was closed down. TC was a nice place to hang around the opening time around 1. 00 pm as there were nice looking girls. Those who have visited there know what I mean. Does anyone know whether it has re-opened in another location or anything similar is currently operating. Appreciate if you can share any information.[/QUOTE]To Pancha.

TC have been closed for a long time you should try Millie disco for late night pick up for freelancer, I never like TC the girl there is just too young for my taste and now the Stadium is closed also but there is so many other place you can get action in the area.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=HardHatMate;1701998]Your probably right, Kelapa Gading is further than Mangga Besar. Probably more like 20-25 k if I re-think it.

But at 10 pm at night it should be no more than 10 mins on a ojek. For that I wouldn't pay more than 25 k.

Again, supply and demand. The time of the night. Your negotiation skills etc all come into play.[/QUOTE]To Hard hat.

You better re-think again even with no traffic it will take a taxi about 30 min from Lokasari plaza to King cross, I took this trip just a few month ago I know how long it take.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;1700843]
Oh why not, here's another one: I was told the reason the original Transjakarta buses (or should I say, the older ones still running?) had doors on either side was due to them being imported from another country's system.

Some on here could probably verify if that story is true, [/QUOTE]A nice story but alas, like the story that the Rio De Janeiro suburb of Brooklyn got its name because the subway trains used to service the route were bought second-hand from New York or that Jalan Malioboro in Yogya was named after a Marlboro billboard that was erected on the street, it is not true.

The Transjakarta buses (at least on Corridor 1) pick up passengers at stops in the middle of the street hence the right-hand doors but deposit and embark passengers on kerb-side platforms at the Kota and Blok M terminals hence the left-hand side doors.

The original Corridor 1 service was a Godsend to hobbyists who split their game between Blok M and Kota, it's almost like it was designed with us in mind. It used to be a great joy to whizz up and down the Thamrin / Sudirman axis during rush-hour but with the endless annual renovations (pointed out by Hung Man) and now the MRT construction this is no longer the case. As to the other corridors due to the fact that most of them don't operate on 100 percent exclusive lanes there is no real advantage and the standard of maintenance on the buses is appalling. Quite a number of them are LPG-fuelled and I remember reading somewhere that one could visualise a scenario where a bus stuck in rush hour traffic starts leaking gas, some bloke on a motorcycle next to it decides to light a cigarette, then whoosh! Doesn't bear thinking about.

Ojeks are handy for emergencies or when you simply need to get somewhere at a certain time (but why bother? The person you are meeting won't be on time) but relying on them as transport would not be recommended. The real solution is just accept there will be traffic with a Zen-like patience, get a good e-reader and sit back and relax, what awaits you at the end of your journey hopefully will wash away all stress.

Greetings ISG,

Planning a trip to Jakarta and was looking for opinions on my info. Trying to get a feel for the lay of the land in regards to my nightlife choices.

I heard a lot of clubs have closed in the past year or so. So far this is the list I have gathered from online sources.

Illigals / Immigrant / CJ's / Bats / Golden Crown / Mille's / Sydney 2000 / Exotis / Blowfish / Dragonfly / X2 / Prive / Domain / Classic Hotel (Terminal) / 999 / UMBRA / Alexis / Venue / SCBD (Nebula / Fable / Lucy's / Empirica).

My tastes are quite varied and I would like to sample a little of everything Jakarta has to offer. Am I missing any club or bar of note?

What is your personal favorite from the list?

All info and recommendations are much appreciated.

Cheers

I do not think I have ever been to any clubs like what is described in and. Jakarta. I imagine an initial shock and awe for the first hour. I am not into techno, house, or anything like that so I will just have to tolerate the music as best I can. Woman come before music preference.

Assuming, I wanted to get a freebie from one of these type clubs, what is the best strategy for picking up a young Indo girl on E from one of these clubs?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=MedellinKuya;1702385]Greetings ISG,

Planning a trip to Jakarta and was looking for opinions on my info. Trying to get a feel for the lay of the land in regards to my nightlife choices.

I heard a lot of clubs have closed in the past year or so. So far this is the list I have gathered from online sources.

Illigals / Immigrant / CJ's / Bats / Golden Crown / Mille's / Sydney 2000 / Exotis / Blowfish / Dragonfly / X2 / Prive / Domain / Classic Hotel (Terminal) / 999 / UMBRA / Alexis / Venue / SCBD (Nebula / Fable / Lucy's / Empirica).

My tastes are quite varied and I would like to sample a little of everything Jakarta has to offer. Am I missing any club or bar of note?

What is your personal favorite from the list?

All info and recommendations are much appreciated.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Although I note you state your tastes are quite varied, it is difficult to give recommendations without knowing more about what you like. For example, in other locales which places do you like to frequent?

Having said that, it seems you have missed the Blok M bars like Top Gun and D's Place, the Maribaya Bar (or whatever it is called) at the Melawai Hotel (also in Block M), and the Penjay Bars in Kota, such as Sari Ayu and LA Bar (there are a number of such bars in the Komplek Indah Kota on Jalan Pengaran Jayakarta (may be off on some of the spelling). But whether you would enjoy Komplek Indah Kota in particular depends on how flexible you really are (e.g., very little English spoken there but still possible to have fun if you don't speak Indonesian).

I would also add Malioboro towards the top of the list, and you might want to consider Hotel Travel, although the service level there can be problematic.

[QUOTE=MedellinKuya;1702385]Greetings ISG,

Planning a trip to Jakarta and was looking for opinions on my info. Trying to get a feel for the lay of the land in regards to my nightlife choices.

I heard a lot of clubs have closed in the past year or so. So far this is the list I have gathered from online sources.

Illigals / Immigrant / CJ's / Bats / Golden Crown / Mille's / Sydney 2000 / Exotis / Blowfish / Dragonfly / X2 / Prive / Domain / Classic Hotel (Terminal) / 999 / UMBRA / Alexis / Venue / SCBD (Nebula / Fable / Lucy's / Empirica).

My tastes are quite varied and I would like to sample a little of everything Jakarta has to offer. Am I missing any club or bar of note?

What is your personal favorite from the list?

All info and recommendations are much appreciated.

Cheers[/QUOTE]I don't know of any clubs that have closed recently other than Red Square and Stadium.

Your list there contains such a wide variety of places, they need to be rated separately. If you are young and decent looking, you don't need to spend your time in brothels because the girls will throw themselves at you at the clubs with no hookers.

In my opinion:

Best Brothels: Kings Cross, Malioboro, Hotel Classic (Alexis is better than all of these, but more expensive).

Best Night Clubs with Hookers: Bats, Top Gun, CJs.

Best Night Clubs without Hookers: X2, Immigrant, Dragonfly (I see you list others that are new and trendy and they would all be good pickup spots if you are young).

Best Rave Discos: Golden Crown, Milles, Colosseum.

There are lots of other places as well, but if I was new in town, these are the ones I'd go with. Hell, even if you had been in town over 10 years, these are the ones I'd go with.

Not a pickup spot, but a fun place to go these days is Jaya Pub. It's popular with both expats and locals. It's one of the oldest bars in the city and used to be one of the hottest hot spots in Jakarta. Then it died for almost 20 years. It has become popular again and is good fun. An old Dangdut singer runs the place. I'd never heard of him, but every time I've taken a girl there they always recognize that guy immediately as a famous "artist" from the past. He doesn't perform there, but has done a good job at bringing the bar back from the dead. The band mostly plays rock, but they also play dangdut on occasion. I love it when the hot chicks (why is it that dangdut chicks are always hot?) get up on the bar and sing dangdut. I normally bring a girl with me to the place. I have only been there on the weekend, so I'm not sure what it's like the rest of the week. Great atmosphere if you like a beer and a good time.

The Jaya Pub is right across the street from hotel Sari Pan Pacific.

Read on some other sites that some of the hotel brothels have an entrance fee. Not sure if it is waived if you took a girl or could be used towards your beer / drinks if none of the girls are to your liking. Also not sure if entrance fees only apply to certain times or days, like weekends. ?

I had plan on visiting several mentioned on this board and need to know if they have entrance fees and the amount as not to be surprised upon arrival.

Classic.

Travel.

King Cross.

Malioboro.

(Maybe Alexis- but unsure as it seems too pricey already with or without a fee).

Also, if other places you can think of have entrance fees, could list them here with the cost so others can also benefit from this info.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;1700754]Show me a woman in Indonesia without scars on her legs and you are showing a woman who doesn't Ojek. There aren't many of them.

Ojeks can be handy. In these circumstances:

- When the traffic is guaranteed to be gridlocked from start to destination.

- When it is a short distance and you need to walk (too short or awkward route for a taxi).

- When it isn't going to pour rain or isn't clear skies (I. E. You can see blue through the smog, meaning damn hot).

- When how you look or smell isn't important when you reach your destination.

The traffic level is especially important. You *do not* want to give the Ojek a chance to get up speed. One time I got an Ojek in Bali, late at night. No traffic, open road, just been raining, no helmet. Casual ride down the road turned into something resembling qualifying for Moto GP. Never again. Rides since require bumper to bumper traffic all the way to impede speed.

You could also try a Bajah. I probably spelt that wrong, and if not forum autocorrect probably will! Those 3 wheel noise machines couldn't get speed up when trying on a steep downhill run. But they can't get through traffic like an Ojek. Ideal for short runs or carrying things however.

If a regular, finding a reliable Ojek or Bajah for your daily run can also work out just fine.

All other times. Taxi. Even the Transjakarta has deteriorated over the years. In recent years it has taken longer to get *on* the damn bus than the journey north to south would have taken in a taxi.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info as I was also interested in alternate types of transport.

Are Bajaj available everywhere?

Also what should be a standard negotiated price from Gambir station to Mangga Besar, or Mangga Besar to King Cross on a Bajaj?

Just a thought as others have mentioned that the cost of taxi is also close to what the Ojek or Bajaj would cost. If this is true then why would they even exist?

[QUOTE=Freezone;1703024]Thanks for the info as I was also interested in alternate types of transport.

Are Bajaj available everywhere?

Also what should be a standard negotiated price from Gambir station to Mangga Besar, or Mangga Besar to King Cross on a Bajaj?

Just a thought as others have mentioned that the cost of taxi is also close to what the Ojek or Bajaj would cost. If this is true then why would they even exist?[/QUOTE]For your health and safety use a Taxi. AC and pretty well protected. Why suffer the heat, rain, dust and traffic when you can relax in an AC Taxi? And Jakarta Taxi are cheap.

RL.

[QUOTE=Freezone;1703015]Read on some other sites that some of the hotel brothels have an entrance fee. Not sure if it is waived if you took a girl or could be used towards your beer / drinks if none of the girls are to your liking. Also not sure if entrance fees only apply to certain times or days, like weekends. ?[/QUOTE]Most of them the entrance fee is the minimum you will have to spend. I think classic entry fee is 30 k, but it's really just a guarantee that you will spend that much. If you buy enough (drinks or girls) to exceed 30 k, you don't have to pay an extra 30k. They do that because a bunch of cheap ass locals pile in there to see the naked dancers, and if they didn't charge anything at all, no paying customers would be able to get through the door due to it being overcrowded. I wish they would raise it to 100 k. It gets too damn crowded in that place.

I think Malio charges a minimum of 200 k to enter and same with Alexis, but it's the same theory. The good thing about that is you won't have a bunch of local ojek drivers jamming the place crowded in there due to those prices.

The ground floor at hotel classic where they have the foreign girls does charge a cover and I think it's good for one drink, but I forget. Bats and CJs also charge a cover that definitely includes one drink. Bats is 120 k and CJs is a little more than that. Places like Golden Crown and the other rave discos charge a cover as well.

I consider it a non-issue because in any of those places, I will at least buy one drink. And that's enough to cover that cover charge in any case.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1703062]The ground floor at hotel classic where they have the foreign girls does charge a cover and I think it's good for one drink, but I forget.[/QUOTE]There used to be a free drink over at Bunker with the entry fee but now they won't give free drinks anymore.

I think Classic's fee is higher than 30,000 closer to 60,000 if I am not wrong, however it is not waived even if you run up a substantial bar tab, it's only waived if you take a girl to the room.

Another scam happened to me the other day at a new place just opened behind Taman Angrek, Hotel be (that's not how it's spelt but I can't be arsed getting a way around the anal-retentive spell checker) Fashion, a nice spot but a bit pricey, 800,000 for a girl. I had arranged to meet someone there, arrived, picked up the bracelet at reception and went in only to be told the person I was looking for had left so I simply turned round and walked out, less than 45 seconds inside all told, I didn't even enter the main room. I walked out and dropped the bracelet on the counter and suddenly there was all sorts of hullaballoo, ending only when I paid over 150,000 "cancellation fee". Very irritating and a sure way for a new place, looking to establish a customer base, to cheese off a potential regular client.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1702574]Not a pickup spot, but a fun place to go these days is Jaya Pub. It's popular with both expats and locals. It's one of the oldest bars in the city and used to be one of the hottest hot spots in Jakarta. Then it died for almost 20 years. It has become popular again and is good fun. An old Dangdut singer runs the place. I'd never heard of him, but every time I've taken a girl there they always recognize that guy immediately as a famous "artist" from the past. He doesn't perform there, but has done a good job at bringing the bar back from the dead. The band mostly plays rock, but they also play dangdut on occasion. I love it when the hot chicks (why is it that dangdut chicks are always hot?) get up on the bar and sing dangdut. I normally bring a girl with me to the place. I have only been there on the weekend, so I'm not sure what it's like the rest of the week. Great atmosphere if you like a beer and a good time.

The Jaya Pub is right across the street from hotel Sari Pan Pacific.[/QUOTE]I was there once with a group of expats and it is a fun place.

[QUOTE=MedellinKuya;1702404]I do not think I have ever been to any clubs like what is described in and. Jakarta. I imagine an initial shock and awe for the first hour. I am not into techno, house, or anything like that so I will just have to tolerate the music as best I can. Woman come before music preference.

Assuming, I wanted to get a freebie from one of these type clubs, what is the best strategy for picking up a young Indo girl on E from one of these clubs?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I don't know if the traffic stops by the police are still a problem, but at least a couple of years ago cars, and even more so taxis, were stopped for "checks" by the police, particularly in parts of North Jakarta. If you were foreign and in a taxi you would be at particular risk. If you didn't have your passport with you, you would in many instances have to give a bribe in the range of 50,000 - 100,000 rupiah. But the more troubling scenario, which I fortunately never experienced, would be one where they checked for drugs. Even if you weren't carrying, if your "friend" was there could be trouble for you from what I understand. Others here might have both better and more up to date information about whether this is something to be concerned about, but your post did raise the issue in my mind.

How much would a night out normal cost?

Taxi from Plaza Senayan to the North and South to Kemang?

Entrance fee?

Local beer price?

Going to try to do small dates near my apartment during the week and go out alone on Friday or Saturday night.

Also, I think people missed my post about the rave clubs up North.

What is best strategy for picking up some rave girl on E? I assume to find one that is showing some interest. Then tell her to lets go and lead her out? Never dealt with any girls or venues like that.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1703228]I don't know if the traffic stops by the police are still a problem, but at least a couple of years ago cars, and even more so taxis, were stopped for "checks" by the police, particularly in parts of North Jakarta. If you were foreign and in a taxi you would be at particular risk. If you didn't have your passport with you, you would in many instances have to give a bribe in the range of 50,000 - 100,000 rupiah. But the more troubling scenario, which I fortunately never experienced, would be one where they checked for drugs. Even if you weren't carrying, if your "friend" was there could be trouble for you from what I understand. Others here might have both better and more up to date information about whether this is something to be concerned about, but your post did raise the issue in my mind.[/QUOTE]These traffic stops and drug checks aren't just in North Jakarta. It doesn't make a difference if you have a guest with you in the car. I've been stopped in places as far as Pondok Indah all the way to Kelapa Gading. Almost always the motivation is money and it's music to their ears if you tell them you haven't got identification on you.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1703037]For your health and safety use a Taxi. AC and pretty well protected. Why suffer the heat, rain, dust and traffic when you can relax in an AC Taxi? And Jakarta Taxi are cheap.

RL.[/QUOTE]

Safety is definitely an issue in the Jakarta traffic. Yesterday I learned that Milla, one of D's dancers, was killed in a traffic accident. I guess she was travelling by ojek.

Sad. She was a sweet girl.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1702381]
The Transjakarta buses (at least on Corridor 1) pick up passengers at stops in the middle of the street hence the right-hand doors but deposit and embark passengers on kerb-side platforms at the Kota and Blok M terminals hence the left-hand side doors.[/QUOTE]Didn't think of that, mainly because it is rare for me to get to either end of the busway. I remember the left side exit in Blok M, I thought it was on the right side in Kota but only did it once, and the left hand exit in Blok M voids that argument anyway. And I'm now thinking too much.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1703212]Another scam happened to me the other day at a new place just opened behind Taman Angrek, Hotel be (that's not how it's spelt but I can't be arsed getting a way around the anal-retentive spell checker) Fashion, a nice spot but a bit pricey.[/QUOTE]Buggar me (not literally) and knock me down with a feather, I didn't know about that "B Fashion" hotel. Seems it has been around since 2013 or so judging by the reports on the hotel booking sites it appears on - [URL]booking.com[/URL] must love the photos of the 'bar' area covered in bikini clad girls photos. There's more available in that area than I thought, though I haven't made it across the tollway to FM1 . Yet.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1703385]Safety is definitely an issue in the Jakarta traffic. Yesterday I learned that Milla, one of D's dancers, was killed in a traffic accident. I guess she was travelling by ojek.

Sad. She was a sweet girl.[/QUOTE]Her photo has been posted on various facebook accounts recently giving condolences.

Those motorbikes are dangerous in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1702294]To Pancha.

TC have been closed for a long time you should try Millie disco for late night pick up for freelancer, I never like TC the girl there is just too young for my taste and now the Stadium is closed also but there is so many other place you can get action in the area.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Thanks very much FE48. Will definitely try that. However the Blok M is always there missing which the Maliboro.

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1703479]Her photo has been posted on various facebook accounts recently giving condolences.

Those motorbikes are dangerous in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]There will be a charity auction on April 24, proceeds going to the family.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1703342]These traffic stops and drug checks aren't just in North Jakarta. It doesn't make a difference if you have a guest with you in the car. I've been stopped in places as far as Pondok Indah all the way to Kelapa Gading. Almost always the motivation is money and it's music to their ears if you tell them you haven't got identification on you.[/QUOTE]I didn't suggest the traffic stops were [I]only[/I] in North Jakarta nor did I say whether you had another person with you affected the likelihood you would be stopped. I did suggest that if one is looking to pick up someone with "E" (and assuming I am interpreting "E" correctly to mean ecstasy), the possibility of a traffic stop should be considered as being found with drugs (even if only your guest has them) could become much more serious than not having one's passport. Having said that I don't know if these traffic stops are still as active as they were a few years ago, given some of the anti-corruption moves, albeit not so effective, that have taken place. I know in my recent experience I have not seen the number I did maybe three or four years ago, but then again I tend to avoid the roads where I previously saw them regularly. .

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1703479]Her photo has been posted on various facebook accounts recently giving condolences.[/QUOTE]Could anyone post or direct us to her photo? All those girls use a few different names. Still, this is sad, sad news.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1703228]I don't know if the traffic stops by the police are still a problem, but at least a couple of years ago cars, and even more so taxis, were stopped for "checks" by the police, particularly in parts of North Jakarta. If you were foreign and in a taxi you would be at particular risk. If you didn't have your passport with you, you would in many instances have to give a bribe in the range of 50,000 - 100,000 rupiah. But the more troubling scenario, which I fortunately never experienced, would be one where they checked for drugs. Even if you weren't carrying, if your "friend" was there could be trouble for you from what I understand. Others here might have both better and more up to date information about whether this is something to be concerned about, but your post did raise the issue in my mind.[/QUOTE]Would the cops accept a copy of the passport as I hate to carry original around as it could easily get lifted or stolen if mugged.

I know most countries needs an ID on the person but will usually accepts a copy of the passport.

[QUOTE=Freezone;1704112]Would the cops accept a copy of the passport as I hate to carry original around as it could easily get lifted or stolen if mugged.

I know most countries needs an ID on the person but will usually accepts a copy of the passport.[/QUOTE]I was once stopped in North Jakarta near Komplek Kotah Indah and gave the police a copy of my passport and my original US-based drivers license. He said I needed the original passport, and if I did not pay him money he would bring me to the Police Station. He first wanted US $100, I laughed, and ended up paying him 100,000 rupiah. I have heard conflicting information about whether an original passport is necessary, but I didn't want to risk him following through on his threat to bring me to the police station. In Indonesia the law is often what the police officer (or governmental official) says it is irrespective of the written law. He probably wouldn't have taken me to the police station if I refused to pay (because it would have probably been more profitable for him to stay on the street soliciting bribes), but if the cop did decide to pursue this further it could have gotten rather ugly for me.

Incidentally, I was in a Blue Bird taxi with a wingman, and there was no reason for the traffic stop other than that the police officer appeared to be there for the sole purpose of doing shakedowns. I reached this conclusion because on other occasions I walked by the exact same spot, and saw the same thing being done to others, but also saw that he (or another cop at the same location) was selective in who he stopped.. There are other locations where the cops would stop everyone, and ask to see id. Fortunately, when this happened to me (a couple of times) I had my passport with me.

Jakarta is the only country I visit, and I visit a lot throughout the world, where I always have my original passport on me. Makes me nervous but I put it in a passport pouch that goes in my front pocket and ties to my belt loop.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1704114]Fortunately, when this happened to me (a couple of times) I had my passport with me.

Jakarta is the only country I visit, and I visit a lot throughout the world, where I always have my original passport on me. Makes me nervous but I put it in a passport pouch that goes in my front pocket and ties to my belt loop.[/QUOTE]So you had your passport with you and they let you go? You were lucky. Normally, it doesn't matter if you have your passport with you or not. They will still want a bribe and will just come up with some other BS excuse to ask for money. Their normal story is that you need to file with the police station when you arrive and they want to see the report that you filed with the station. But even my friends who live in Jakarta working for major companies with a legal kitas and carrying their passport have to pay the police bribes at those stop points on occasion. Carrying your passport does not guarantee that you will not be hassled. I personally think it's a very bad idea to carry your passport. I used to carry mine in Africa because the company I was working with asked me to. It ended up getting stolen from me one night in a bar when I was quite drunk. I haven't carried it with me since. I'd prefer to pay the 100 k rupiah (about 8 bucks usd) than risk any possible chance of losing or damaging my passport. I've been pulled over by the cops about 10 times in over 10 years. It's not that big of an issue. And I go out a lot.

[QUOTE=Freezone;1704112]Would the cops accept a copy of the passport as I hate to carry original around as it could easily get lifted or stolen if mugged.

I know most countries needs an ID on the person but will usually accepts a copy of the passport.[/QUOTE]I have always carried a copy of my passport and drivers license along with the International DL in Bali and they have always accepted that. Police stops in Bali are very common and frequent. And as a Bule I am a driving dollar / RP sign. As long as you have your shit together they back away.

You can always get out your HP and start to film the stop. Who knows what that will bring?

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1704139]Police stops in Bali are very common and frequent.[/QUOTE]I find a police stop in Bali to be very different from a blockade type of stop in Jakarta. I've never once been asked to pay a bribe in Bali for not having my passport or for any other reason while I am in a taxi or rented car in Bali. In Bali, if the police have stopped a car I was in, they have always hassled the driver and left the passengers alone. In Jakarta, it's just the opposite. If they see a westerner in the car in Jakarta, they don't even worry about the driver, they go right for the westerner sitting in the back seat. I think in Bali they mainly hassle the people driving motorbikes or full time bali residents with their own car.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1704124]So you had your passport with you and they let you go? You were lucky. Normally, it doesn't matter if you have your passport with you or not. They will still want a bribe and will just come up with some other BS excuse to ask for money. Their normal story is that you need to file with the police station when you arrive and they want to see the report that you filed with the station. But even my friends who live in Jakarta working for major companies with a legal kitas and carrying their passport have to pay the police bribes at those stop points on occasion. Carrying your passport does not guarantee that you will not be hassled. I personally think it's a very bad idea to carry your passport. I used to carry mine in Africa because the company I was working with asked me to. It ended up getting stolen from me one night in a bar when I was quite drunk. I haven't carried it with me since. I'd prefer to pay the 100 k rupiah (about 8 bucks usd) than risk any possible chance of losing or damaging my passport. I've been pulled over by the cops about 10 times in over 10 years. It's not that big of an issue. And I go out a lot.[/QUOTE]Yes, the couple of times I got stopped and had my original passport with me they just looked at it and let me go. But I agree even having the original passport does not guarantee that there won't be another (concocted) reason for the police to solicit a bribe.

But getting back to another point, I have the impression, but not based on a lot of information, this police behavior has diminished a bit over the course of the last year or so. Does anyone else have this impression (or the contrary one that it hasn't diminished)?

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1704114]Incidentally, I was in a Blue Bird taxi with a wingman, and there was no reason for the traffic stop other than that the police officer appeared to be there for the sole purpose of doing shakedowns. I reached this conclusion because on other occasions I walked by the exact same spot, and saw the same thing being done to others, but also saw that he (or another cop at the same location) was selective in who he stopped.[/QUOTE]Which is why, when passing the police box at the start of Hayam Wuruk heading north at night (especially late at night) I tend to slip forward on the seat in the back of the taxi, so that only the top of my head (or less) is visible from the outside of the car.

Last time I got stopped, in that same area incidentally, all I remember is a door opening and a hand being stuck in, with the international sign of rubbing thumb and fingers together indicating it was time to depart with some cash. Doubt I would have been able to find the passport in the state I was in. If I had it!

I made a map of various points of interest if anyone is interested.

Let me know if anything is incorrect or I should add some other places.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zo0MWeCRla2c.kAE4muqVsxzM[/URL]

It's odd but in the almost 12 years I have been in Jakarta I have never been shaken down by the peelers for ID.

Several times I have been stopped for a genuine traffic violation and have paid a bribe to get away with it, which suits me fine as I am an old-fashioned kinda guy who believes cops should be out chasing real criminals instead of harassing God-fearing, decent motorists who only want to get to the nearest red-light district in good time.

If occasionally we fine, upstanding motorists do infringe some minor traffic regulation then I am a firm supporter of the idea of a small contribution to the policeman's benevolent fund tucked inside the driver's licence as sufficient punishment, and given the alacrity with which the constabulary receive these contributions, holding up the traffic to allow me to go on my way with a crisp salute and a "mind how you go now sir", the police appear to agree. Or perhaps I over-pay, it wouldn't be the first time in this town but given that the difference between Rp 50,000 and Rp 100,000 is about 2. 50 in the Queen's money I can live with the shame.

When do these ID shakedowns occur? Are they mostly late night / early morning affairs?

[QUOTE=MedellinKuya;1704455]I made a map of various points of interest if anyone is interested.

Let me know if anything is incorrect or I should add some other places.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zo0MWeCRla2c.kAE4muqVsxzM[/URL][/QUOTE]Hey good work bro. How do I contribute to this?

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1704492]It's odd but in the almost 12 years I have been in Jakarta I have never been shaken down by the peelers for ID.

Several times I have been stopped for a genuine traffic violation and have paid a bribe to get away with it, which suits me fine as I am an old-fashioned kinda guy who believes cops should be out chasing real criminals instead of harassing God-fearing, decent motorists who only want to get to the nearest red-light district in good time.

If occasionally we fine, upstanding motorists do infringe some minor traffic regulation then I am a firm supporter of the idea of a small contribution to the policeman's benevolent fund tucked inside the driver's licence as sufficient punishment, and given the alacrity with which the constabulary receive these contributions, holding up the traffic to allow me to go on my way with a crisp salute and a "mind how you go now sir", the police appear to agree. Or perhaps I over-pay, it wouldn't be the first time in this town but given that the difference between Rp 50,000 and Rp 100,000 is about 2. 50 in the Queen's money I can live with the shame.

When do these ID shakedowns occur? Are they mostly late night / early morning affairs?[/QUOTE]They used to often set up check points on Jl. Gunung Sahari just north of the old Sheraton Media, where I used to stay (so had pretty good knowledge of this situation). At these checkpoints they pretty much stopped every car, although there were a fair number of "discretional" stops at other points in this general area. One such discretional stop point was on Pengaran Jayakarta where that street meets Mangga Dua Raya, the street that the Kota Train station is located on. But although that location previously had police there much of the time (starting mid-evening), I haven't seen any there recently (although don't go there as much these days), leading to my question about whether the traffic stops have generally diminished in number.

I also heard they had these stops in the area around the deceased Stadium, but I don't recall if I ever saw any there.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;1704492]
When do these ID shakedowns occur? Are they mostly late night / early morning affairs?[/QUOTE]Normally around Midnight until 4 am and normally in areas where prostitution or drug use is prevalent. I was shaken down twice a few months ago. Once in Kelapa Gading and once near Taman Lawang (don't make any inappropriate assumptions.). Outside Stadium was a standard place to stop people in the past. But it's random. I've never been stopped in the same place twice. Many times they have a blockade but don't stop me. From my experience, it seems they let the Silver Birds pass more easily than the other taxis. But I've been stopped in Silver Birds as well.

If you haven't been stopped yet, your mongering habits probably aren't conducive to it ever happening.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1704535]

If you haven't been stopped yet, your mongering habits probably aren't conducive to it ever happening.[/QUOTE]That perhaps explains it.

I am an afternoon, early evening kind of guy and I blend in with the usual commuter traffic. The cops I see are mostly standing on the side of the road waving vigorously at the passing parade and not paying too much attention to who is in the car. I have frequently driven the entire length of Thamrin / Sudirman alone in the car during the three-in-one period and passing literally dozens of stressed-out cops without any of them paying me the slightest heed.

Hiding in plain sight is often a good strategy for those of us who pursue our little hobby.

Been living in Jakarta for a few years, my experience from being pulled over for the "passport check routine" are now uncountable. From 2003-2010 it happened very often, but I only got stopped for these checks in the Blok M area, Kota and Gunung Sahari. During 2011-2013 it was not many of these checks, I don't think I got stopped at all. Then for me this activity started to peak again last year, but not only on checkpoints at the usual places, but also in Menteng and on Sudirman. In my experience these check only happens at night or early morning. You notice that they only stop taxis, and their excuse are that they are doing "normal patrol". Indonesians may claim that they see a peak in activity in the late days of each month, as its the police haven't recieved their salary yet, and in need of cash. Maybe more of a joke, but may have some truth in it. In my experience nowdays, if you have a valid Kitas or passport, they won't ask you for money or if you do, just say politely no. Works for me.

Another thing, scary thing, that happened to me last weekend, after visiting a kota disco. Was that I was brought in by a undercover taxi driver to the policestation for a drug razia. I'm not into drugs, so I wasnt really worried. It took only 10 min, but it seemed like they were almost expecting me to come down with something, having seen me coming out of that particular kota disco. Story ended well. But what freaked me out afterwards (the next day, when I woke up with a hangover) was the thought, that if they had wanted to, they may have planted something on me during the bodysearch and have claimed me to have carried it. Lesson of they day for me, and I hope others take note of this as well, if you are taken in a razia like this, ask to see the policemans hands before they do the bodycheck on you, and be very aware of overall situation. Even ask a stranger to be your witness, so thepolice notice that you are aware.

Some cops in this country play very dirty, and a faked drug bust, may be too irresistible for some.

Wamena

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1704497]They used to often set up check points on Jl. Gunung Sahari just north of the old Sheraton Media, where I used to stay (so had pretty good knowledge of this situation). At these checkpoints they pretty much stopped every car, although there were a fair number of "discretional" stops at other points in this general area. One such discretional stop point was on Pengaran Jayakarta where that street meets Mangga Dua Raya, the street that the Kota Train station is located on. But although that location previously had police there much of the time (starting mid-evening), I haven't seen any there recently (although don't go there as much these days), leading to my question about whether the traffic stops have generally diminished in number.

I also heard they had these stops in the area around the deceased Stadium, but I don't recall if I ever saw any there.[/QUOTE]

As far as the current price at BATS and CJs, in the past I had always refused to pay over a million rupiah. The last few times I went to BATS, I had no luck. Although I really liked the girl I was chatting up and was having a good time with her in the bar, I stuck to my guns and tried to negotiate her down to 1 million. I even went as high as 1. 2 million. But each time they were refusing, wanting at least 1. 5 million (some wanted 2 million) - and they ended up going home with another guy rather than dropping their price (shame, because in each case, the girls were very nice and I ended up alone rather than settling for a more mediocre girl for 1 million). Since I've been in Jakarta so long, I'm a bit picky, and there aren't many girls I will be attracted to in BATS or CJs. I don't normally prefer a girl older than mid 20's and I don't want them to have had a baby.

My last visit to BATS, I met a girl I found very attractive. She was sexy, fun, and getting me horny as hell in the bar. When she asked for 1. 5 for short time, I asked her if she'd go for 1. 2 million and she refused. So I then agreed immediately to 1. 5 (lesson learned). Given the 13000/1 exchange rate, I'm ok with it now if the girl is a keeper.

As it turned out, the girl was absolutely worth it. Best experience I've had in Jakarta in a while. I normally don't keep a girl in my room longer than an hour, but this girl was a lot of fun. She was probably in my room an hour and a half to two hours. She was fine with photos, sexy outfits, and the sex was awesome. I hate to admit it, but 1. 5 for short time seems to be the going rate these days for nicer girls from the 5 star hotels. Even for us guys who have been around for years. Some of my buddies say they have been paying up to 2 million short time for stunners from CJs and BATS. Gone are the days of 500 K for a stunner. But with the taxi fares and entrance fee, these girls are paying at least 250 k just to visit these places, so it makes sense.

Given that this girl was a lot of fun, I'm not complaining. Real GFE both in the bar and in the room. I've even repeated with her a few times after that.

I read where guys claim they are taking some of the nicer girls in BATS for less than that these days, but given my experiences and after talking with some of my friends who have lived in town for years, I find that hard to believe. There are older and less attractive girls who will go for less than that, but they are not the same quality.

I went to Golden Crown last night at midnight not too crowded many girl in the front looking for a date most are average speak little English asking 500 k for ST and one Mil for all night but I am looking for a stunner and in come Jenny a OL with a hot body speak good English buy her a drink she want 1. 5 mil for all night we settle for 700 k for ST back to Mecure kota w go great BBBJ and she enjoy DATY 2 shots stay for 3 HR yes I agree with Smoothy the days for 300 k ST pick up is over most girl now days start at 1 mil and up.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1705814]I went to Golden Crown last night at midnight not too crowded many girl in the front looking for a date [/QUOTE]Really? I've never had that experience there. Those girls standing in front of the entrance to the disco area at Golden Crown aren't looking for a "date", they are looking for someone to buy them ecstasy. If you buy that for them, they will go into the disco with you and enjoy their high, then go home with you for free after that. Are you sure you were at Golden Crown? I haven't been there in a few years. Maybe things have changed?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1705817]Really? I've never had that experience there. Those girls standing in front of the entrance to the disco area at Golden Crown aren't looking for a "date", they are looking for someone to buy them ecstasy. If you buy that for them, they will go into the disco with you and enjoy their high, then go home with you for free after that. Are you sure you were at Golden Crown? I haven't been there in a few years. Maybe things have changed?[/QUOTE]How risky is it buying / giving a girl ecstasy?

How do girls act while on ecstasy?

In my mind I envision a girl spaced out and horny down for a wild night. LOL.

How easy would it be for a 28 year old white guy to pull a cute / sexy girl from one of these discos in the North?

What is the deal with all the girls online using Spanish words? Struck me ass odd LOL.

I have never bought ecstasy for those girls, but my friends have. You can just give the money to the girl, they know where to get the stuff inside the disco. I think the price of one tab is like 300 or 400 k, and they are going to want 2 before they go home with you so it's not as cheap a deal as you would think.

A 28 year old will have just as easy luck in Jakarta as they would in Colombia. The difference is in Colombia you will need to be able to speak Spanish to pull freebies, in Jakarta you won't necessarily need to be able to speak Indonesian. But you will need to be a good looking 28 year old to be pulling freebies from the discos, not a short, fat, bald guy who happens to be 28. (I'm not saying that is you.).

No Indonesian girl in Jakarta I've ever met can speak any Spanish. A few of their words are the same as Spanish, but very very few.

The Shooter always enjoys a business trip to Jakarta. Let's face it: it'a a great place to get a good shag!

Day 1.

The Shooter was well cream-crackered from the overnight flight. So he WhatsApped an old contact from Tagged. Sure enough, despite 4 years elapsed since their last meeting, she was ready to tango at short notice. She turned up at the hotel in an hour, looking like a fantastic blend of OL and seductress in glasses and a short dress. A quick drink in the bar then up to the room for a great sesh. This girl likes to suck and fuck. Not much in the titty department, but lovely soft skin and a fantastic arse. And a tremendous work ethic. This girl will go until you tell her to stop.

For some reason, probably jet lag, the Shooter was unable to shoot despite a 5-day abstinence. First she offered back-door, then bareback. The Shooter demurred. Eventually he got off via one of his old nut-busting techniques: she rested her head on his stomach and licked the base of his shaft while he diddled his dick; once completion neared, he switched the angle to come on her face. She didn't flinch at all and took it like a champ.

She had to work the next day, so she left at 8 am. No money requested; the Shooter put 800 k in her bag.

The Accountant was the Shooter's wingman for this trip. He opted for the CraigsList route. Some eye-popping ads. He almost went for a purported Emirati model for $200ST. In the end he chose an Indo girl who was much plainer in person than in the photos. However, she turned out to be a BJ specialist and much to the Accountant's surprise and delight she skilfully extracted 2 pops in just over an hour. $70 ST.

A successful and efficient day 1.

Day 2 was Tuesday, and by tradition that means a visit to Mo's Bar for Ladies' Night.

The place wasn't busy but there was plenty to choose from. The Shooter hit a table of tipsy OLs. They had clearly been getting stuck into the free drinks and were up for some white sausage. Great fun in the bar. The Shooter was chosen by an energetic spinner in a sexy black dress, while the Accountant hooked up with an even tinier doll-like creature with a beautiful face. The girls were all office workers, non-pros but expected some compensation for their company. Typical Asian scenario.

Back at the hotel, again it was a great session. Small boobs but great skin and fantastic arse. She was not a professional but uninhibited and very enthusiastic. She had an odd BJ technique that was amateurish yet intensely enjoyable. Basically it was her small mouth trying to engulf his endowment in various ways and from various angles. Her pussy was great-tasting and they 69'd for ages.

Again he had difficulty coming. This time he could not restrain himself and he plunged in bareback, revelling in the hot wetness against his cock. That ramped up the sensation sufficiently to reach escape velocity and he CIP'd (with advance warning). She moaned good-naturally about that, but later she messaged him: "I really enjoyed our sex. I love that feeling in the morning. Was really good in my body. " Kinnell. Rock Star syndrome. Fucking paradise.

There had been no mention of money, except that she expected to receive some, so he left 10 100 k notes by her bag. She took it without counting.

Meanwhile, the Accountant had been persuaded to take 2 of the OLs. The tiny doll-like creature and her raunchy friend. That turned out to be a bad idea. Basically they did not coordinate well, and in fact got in each other's way. He should have just taken one of them. On the plus side, the tiny doll-like creature had a "perfect body". Swings and roundabouts you might say.

All in all another great night.

[QUOTE=MedellinKuya;1705851]How risky is it buying / giving a girl ecstasy?

How do girls act while on ecstasy?

In my mind I envision a girl spaced out and horny down for a wild night. LOL.

How easy would it be for a 28 year old white guy to pull a cute / sexy girl from one of these discos in the North?

What is the deal with all the girls online using Spanish words? Struck me ass odd LOL.[/QUOTE]The lingua franca of trade in Jakarta for 250 years was Portuguese so a lot of latin words are still commonly found in song lyrics and the various dialects of North Jakarta. Latin names are still popular and often indicate the girls are Christian.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1706024]The lingua franca of trade in Jakarta for 250 years was Portuguese so a lot of latin words are still commonly found in song lyrics and the various dialects of North Jakarta. Latin names are still popular and often indicate the girls are Christian.[/QUOTE]Don't know where you studied history, but actually it was Dutch.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1706075]Don't know where you studied history, but actually it was Dutch.

GE.[/QUOTE]Possibly a more thorough and wordly education than your's Sinyo GE. Following the defeat of Falatehan laskar troops in the 1520's the Portuguese language became the language of trade / lingua franca and mongering in Jakarta until about the 1740's. For 80 of those years Holland was itself occupied by Spain and run as a Spanish colony with a certain amount of fury. The Batavia Census of 1699 clearly indicates the strength of the Portuguese language in Jakarta with over 1/3 of the inhabitants declaring themselves as Mardijker Portuguese.

There are PortTUGUese quarters throughout the trading posts of Java. Mostly named Tugu, all having a number of Mestizo citizens. Many of these Mestizos created during a night of debauchery in the brothels that always neighbour Tugu. A visit to Kramat Tunggal in the 80's or the Sarkem backstreets of the railway station today at Tugu in Yogya provide examples.

While the Dutch language and the VOC prospered from the 1750's during the Dutch golden age, I believe Portuguese remained strong in the language of mongering.

A Moresco nightout with the Portuguese creole sailors of man Mar. Was a renowned experience in 1930's Batavia. With Keroncong lullabies wailing through the night these daredevils who had had the audacity to hunt wild bore at dusk, among muslim neighbours would turn to hard liquor and debauchery in the evenings. Until 1940's the Tugu men wore hats and carried guns, the womanfolk a short tight blouse. They organised festivities where the men and women danced in pairs. They even touched one another to the disgust of the Dutch Calvins. Alcohol was imbibed as a matter of pride.

Betrayed by the jealous Dutch when under Japanese occupation most starved to death in the camps, never to be seen mongering again.

In the mid 90's I attended a Portuguese wedding at the Gereja Sion in Kota to help record some Keroncong. In attendance was a heart melting collection of the most stunningly beautiful girls I've truly ever seen from all over the Indies. Betawi Cristao's, Ambon Serani. Malaccan Kristangs, Surinam migrants, the Costa Jews, and the thin nosed Topasses of Timor. The Holanda (or Londo as used in Java) weren't invited.

Tambora DJ.

Okay Pete, I stand abjectly corrected. Thanks for the capsule history. I had no idea.

GE.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1706210]Possibly a more thorough and wordly education than your's Sinyo GE. Following the defeat of Falatehan laskar troops in the 1520's the Portuguese language became the language of trade / lingua franca and mongering in Jakarta until about the 1740's. For 80 of those years Holland was itself occupied by Spain and run as a Spanish colony with a certain amount of fury. The Batavia Census of 1699 clearly indicates the strength of the Portuguese language in Jakarta with over 1/3 of the inhabitants declaring themselves as Mardijker Portuguese.

There are PortTUGUese quarters throughout the trading posts of Java. Mostly named Tugu, all having a number of Mestizo citizens. Many of these Mestizos created during a night of debauchery in the brothels that always neighbour Tugu. A visit to Kramat Tunggal in the 80's or the Sarkem backstreets of the railway station today at Tugu in Yogya provide examples.

While the Dutch language and the VOC prospered from the 1750's during the Dutch golden age, I believe Portuguese remained strong in the language of mongering.

A Moresco nightout with the Portuguese creole sailors of man Mar. Was a renowned experience in 1930's Batavia. With Keroncong lullabies wailing through the night these daredevils who had had the audacity to hunt wild bore at dusk, among muslim neighbours would turn to hard liquor and debauchery in the evenings. Until 1940's the Tugu men wore hats and carried guns, the womanfolk a short tight blouse. They organised festivities where the men and women danced in pairs. They even touched one another to the disgust of the Dutch Calvins. Alcohol was imbibed as a matter of pride.

Betrayed by the jealous Dutch when under Japanese occupation most starved to death in the camps, never to be seen mongering again.

In the mid 90's I attended a Portuguese wedding at the Gereja Sion in Kota to help record some Keroncong. In attendance was a heart melting collection of the most stunningly beautiful girls I've truly ever seen from all over the Indies. Betawi Cristao's, Ambon Serani. Malaccan Kristangs, Surinam migrants, the Costa Jews, and the thin nosed Topasses of Timor. The Holanda (or Londo as used in Java) weren't invited.

Tambora DJ.[/QUOTE]I think this applies to this erudite post.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrm-rPSCIBw[/URL]

Well given that the scene in Jakarta is so terminally dull these days and getting duller by the hour I suppose there would be no harm in a linguistic-historical discussion to while away a boring Sunday afternoon.

The Latin / Portuguese words in common use in Indonesian are often the words that refer to European things that would have been first introduced by the Portuguese, thus the words for table, butter, shoe etc are meja, mentega and zapatu. So many of the Dutch words originate with things that the Dutch menheers and their wives would have needed to explain to their staff to get household chores done, curtain, wash basin, and my favourite bed pan being gordyn, wastafel and pispot. Trade would have been conducted in a variety of linguas franca; Arabic, Malay, Javanese, Sundanese, the variety of Chinese dialects, Portuguese, Dutch and English and anything that got a polyglot range of Jolly Jack Tars through the day (and night) to become our old friend Bahasa Indonesia.

However, the colourful collection of Portuguese and / or Christian-descent wedding celebrants cited below, whilst no doubt leading to an entertaining and eye-easing evening could hardly be described as typical of the Indonesian people as a whole and certainly not of the type of girl a bule bloke could expect to pick up at Milles or Golden Crown, so in answer to the original question I have no idea where these Spanish speakers the OP asked about come from as I have certainly never met any of them.

I know, for a fact, that our esteemed member Natty Bumpo is kicking ass and taking names in Jakarta right now.

I'm looking forward to his excellent reports, as usual!

[QUOTE=Sympalogy;1706465]I know, for a fact, that our esteemed member Natty Bumpo is kicking ass and taking names in Jakarta right now.

I'm looking forward to his excellent reports, as usual![/QUOTE]The thing I like about Natty's adventures is that he isn't afraid to spend some money to have fun. That is different from the majority of the posts here where people are looking for the cheapest sex possible. However, I don't think I've ever seen him post a single photo. Natty, if you read this, I'd love to see some of these ladies you are shagging.

Regarding some of the posts sometime back, I too had the same experience once.

I met a girl in BATS who wanted to party more. Headed out, gave her 350 K for an E tablet which she bought while I waited in the Silver Bird. Went to Collosseum which is a excellent club BTW. She had the tablet in small doses and we got out of the club at around 3 AM.

Was stopped by a couple of policemen between Collosseum and Malioboro (not too sure about the place). The policeman asked for my passport which I never carry. They asked me to come out with the girl as translator. Fortunately, she was quite sober.

They asked me to pay. I said that I would rather wait for the Shangri-La to get the passport out of my safe and get it to them. They talked in Bahasa and let me go. I was very polite and very firm. Maybe I was just plain lucky. I deal with a couple of General's sons for biz and knew that I could count on their connections if things got bad.

I really don't mind paying 100 or 200 K but we can never be sure about the cops' attitude once they have smelt blood.

On the other hand, this was the first time I ventured past Malioboro on that road.

Cheers,

McM.

Thanks Smoothy for the intel. This will definitely help in negotiations.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1705809]

My last visit to BATS, I met a girl I found very attractive. She was sexy, fun, and getting me horny as hell in the bar. When she asked for 1. 5 for short time, I asked her if she'd go for 1. 2 million and she refused. So I then agreed immediately to 1. 5 (lesson learned). Given the 13000/1 exchange rate, I'm ok with it now if the girl is a keeper.

.................. Gone are the days of 500 K for a stunner. But with the taxi fares and entrance fee, these girls are paying at least 250 k just to visit these places, so it makes sense.

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[QUOTE=Hilo77;1704492]When do these ID shakedowns occur? Are they mostly late night / early morning affairs?[/QUOTE]One spot where there is OFTEN police checks is near the Karet cemetery, just along the road of the Shangri La Hotel. The checks there are so frequent that I often used to take a long way home, going along Sudirman instead, to avoid them. Not that they were much trouble if you had ID on you, but it was just the hassle factor.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1705809]As far as the current price at BATS and CJs, in the past I had always refused to pay over a million rupiah. The last few times I went to BATS, I had no luck....[/QUOTE]Bats and / or CJs have become my mongering nemesis. I think I've got a strike rate of 0 out of the 4 past visits. The girls there (confused which is which as the same girls frequent both) only want to pull with new timers. I guess Smoothy you suffer form the same dilemma as I do, should you let on you've been in and our of town for a long tiime and can understand what the girls are talking about.

I also suffer the issue in these joint of girls who I pulled tricks with some twenty years ago coming up to wind me up, asking for drinks and warn the SYT fluttering about to avoid me like the plague. The phrase is "bule basi" which is akin to "contaminated by local indo. Men's influence / behavior".

I've gone in and even tried my best to only speak English, ask dumb questions, get quotes in dollars etc. One time managed to get a really attractive 20 year old to agree to leave with me, got up the stairs and one of the security guards casually said a pleasent goodbye in Batak and I stupidly replied in Batak without thinking.

Well, I now know how Richard Attenborough's character felt like in the Great Escape when he was caught by the German's at the train station. The girl I was with litterly froze and refused to go with me, despite the $100 leaving sweetener agreed. She said fairly politely that going with me would be like going with one of her family.

It's really become an issue for me, so nowdays when visiting Jakarta I bring along tshirts and miniature perfumes from branded stores in Europe for presents for the girls. Withe the result that my pulls on they way home and texting their friends, that they have left safely can also say the old timers aren't that bad.

North Jakarta isn't an issue so places like Kings Cross and Empornium are now my favourites but they don't always have the same chase and trap feeling you can sometimes get from Bats / CJ's or even out the blue in a mall or on the trains.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1707349]
I also suffer the issue in these joint of girls who I pulled tricks with some twenty years ago coming up to wind me up, asking for drinks and warn the SYT fluttering about to avoid me like the plague. The phrase is "bule basi" which is akin to "contaminated by local indo. Men's influence / behavior".[/QUOTE]They've been calling me Bule Basi for about 10 years now. However, I don't think that's the problem in this case. I hadn't taken a girl from BATS in quite a while and I didn't recognize any of the girls there. They don't know me as bule basi at the moment. One girl did mention to me that I had a reputation of going there and just drinking then leaving alone. That was a combination of the fact that I had a live in girlfriend for a few years, so when I did go, I wasn't able to take one home. And then the previous few times I wasn't willing to part with so much money. (When I first came to Jakarta, I don't think there was even one remotely attractive girl in the bar I hadn't shagged, so to say I just drink there is pretty funny these days.) I simply think the price is now 1. 5 million as the standard. If you wait until closing time, you may be able to get cheaper because the girl's options become limited at that point. However, by that time, all of the best girls should be gone. The girls are not allowed by BATS management to re-enter BATS that night after they have already left the bar for a short time, so the hot ones are not making multiple runs anymore. That may also have something to do with the increased price.