Siem Reap

[quote=barri] i had an argument with the mama-san about it, said she had given less than half of the agreed time, 15 min out of one hour. i put 7 dollars on the table and left. the mama-san came after me to the moto but i was firm. it was a pity, i would have liked a full hour with that girl, even if she talked no english. [/quote]barri,

phnom penh,

about 6 weeks ago i was on an afternoon tour of the cambodian low-class places i think on the road to k-11. i didn't find anything worthy of going into one of those decrepit rooms for so we're leaving the area.

we drive by one place we we're at 10 minutes before and hear a glass break and lot's of yelling. i look over and see a cambodian guy with his hands covering his face. i don't know if he was hit in the face with a flying bottle or what.

my driver just keeps driving the moto and he say's to me, " some guys, they don't like to pay after they finish with the lady. "

wow! scary is what that was, i never thought about these smiling people losing their cool like this. all i could think about that day was this guys hands holding his face (i didn't get a long enough look to see if any blood appeared as we were soon gone from the scene.)

my point is, keep this in the back of your mind next time you don't pay the agreed upon price. yes i realise you felt they didn't keep up their end of the deal but they were arguing with you when you left so good thing no bottles went flying in your direction. or worse (if you use your imagination.)

glad you came out of this unrep001hed, thanks for the report.

[QUOTE=Barri]
As for Member #2041's comment I don't get it. Never mind.[/QUOTE]

OK, I'll explain it to you: I hope you feel good about shorting some poor working girl in the poorest country on earth $8 Which, to you, is nothing, but to her, is equivalent to several days wages in her world. Keep in mind that it was the Mama-san who you negotiated with, but the actual girl (who, as you well know, speaks no English, and has no clue what the Mama-san and you talked about) is who you shafted for $8.

As for Pol Pot, Ta Mok, and Dick Nixon, well, their crimes against the Cambodian citizenry were all substantially worse than yours - so you can take some measure of comfort in that - maybe even enough to sleep at night, knowing that they've already lived through much worse.

And BTW, while $5-10 may be a reasonable price in Phnom Penh, the prices in Siem Reap are higher - $15 to $20 being the going rate for 1 pop.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]... $8 Which, to you, is nothing, but to her, is equivalent to several days wages in her world...
...As for Pol Pot, Ta Mok, and Dick Nixon...[/QUOTE]Actually it would not have been several days but another 45 minutes, which was my point.

And you are seriously putting this "crime" on the same scale as the torture and killing of 1.7 (some say 3) million people? I wonder what the survivors would feel about this.

Maybe you can sleep well at night if I comfort you by saying that when the service is as agreed I tip good, directly to the girl. Anyway, I like that there is someone to defend the rights of the girls.

[QUOTE=Barri]And you are seriously putting this "crime" on the same scale as the torture and killing of 1.7 (some say 3) million people? I wonder what the survivors would feel about this. [/QUOTE]

No, as I noted, Pol Pot, Ta Mok, and Dick Nixon's transgressions were all substantially worse than yours. My point was, you were, in an extremely petty way, simply abusing folks who already were among the most abused people on earth, and I hoped you felt good about it. And secondly, that the person you effectively punished was NOT the person who had actually "agreed" to your perception of the terms of service. But cheer up - you are $8 richer for it, and this poor girl only probably lost a couple of days pay in the process. Congratulations on your windfall at her expense.

I found quite a few farangs riding around the ruins in motorbikes.

This can be a very pleasant way to visit the ruins unless it rains. Also the roads are narrow. You just have to yield to the cars and buses.

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]$40 for the taxi for one person is a bit on the high side (normal should be about $25).
Note: you cant rent a motobike in SR as there is a law against non-residents renting. For single traveler, hire a motodriver for $7-8 a day is the way to go( unless its the rainy season when you might want some cover over your head).



PT[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=One Wing Low]I found quite a few farangs riding around the ruins in motorbikes.

This can be a very pleasant way to visit the ruins unless it rains. Also the roads are narrow. You just have to yield to the cars and buses.[/QUOTE]

Non resident=Tourist or people not living in SR.
Moto rental rules for SR applies to Non-residents only -(both farang or asian). Rules dont apply for farangs living/ working in SR--I heard even they are stopped once in awhile to show proof as cops not sure of their status. They can rent or own and ride anywhere they want as they are almost considered locals.

Also, this rule dont apply to the newer electric motobikes thats being rented in SR (only the faster more powerful gas powered ones). Remember, if you are caught riding a regular moto, be prepared for a stiff fine.


PT

Went to Blue Zone, must have been late (2 am?), and I was feeling pretty tired. The girls there weren't up to much except for one who was fawning over some Belgian dude so I got some tips on where else I could go, finished my beer and left.
Got a tuktuk to a nightclub that's close to Blue Wave: out the door turn left and then it's just down one of the right turns. Place is couple of hundred metres down the road. Got there and the place is closing - everyone's coming out. Luckily the motorbike driver says he knows some place so we head off.

Directions from Blue Wave are: out the door head left for aboout 200M and turn right by Jasmine Anchor restaurant (very bright lights). After about 100m on the lefthandside there is what appears to be a small shop selling drinks etc. At nearly 3 am however, there were several women standing outside. It was quite dark so difficult to tell how attractive they were. Cost USD20 but think that the moto driver got quite a cut. Place was pretty dirty and the girl had a scowl on her face the entire time so came out feeling pretty dissatisfied.

The moto driver asked me where I wanted to go and I said back to Blue Wave however it was closed by the time we got back! Luckily enough I noticed a massage sign just near to Blue Wave so we drove down to take a look. Lo and behold there are a couple of girls all wearing miniskirts and the like. Quick bit of bargaining whilst eyeing them up and it costs USD 10 for one pop. She was much more into it than the first one and so I got going pretty quickly. Wasn't bad except for the moment when they shouted from outside to wonder why I hadn't finished yet! Much better than the first time so got moto back to hotel.

Address: If you're out the front of Blue Wave, massage sign is about 50m to your left on the opposite side of the road. You go down some kind of driveway and there's a sort of verandah on the righthand side.

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[QUOTE=Sigui]Went to Blue Zone,

Cost USD20 but think that the moto driver got quite a cut. Place was pretty dirty and the girl had a scowl on her face the entire time so came out feeling pretty dissatisfied.

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Dont remember any place called Blue Zone when I was at SR, where was this place located?

And yes, anywhere in Cambo the motodrivers always get a "cut" and added to your cost, but not always a bad thing as I consider it a finders fee for showing me places I otherwise might not find on my own.



PT

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Dont remember any place called Blue Zone when I was at SR, where was this place located?

PT[/QUOTE]Actually, I think it was called Blue Wave! I did a quick google search of "Blue Wave" + "Siem Reap":

[url]http://www.yellowpages-cambodia.com/travel-and-tourism/guesthouses/blue-wave-club-24024.html[/url]

Also found this one!

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-1806.html[/url]

Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Sigui]Actually, I think it was called Blue Wave! [/QUOTE] And then there is Zone One.
[url]http://www.yellowpages-cambodia.com/restaurant-and-bar-guide/restaurants/zone-one-club-27688.html[/url]
I am not sure that the address in the Yellow Pages is correct, but it is more or less round the corner from Blue Wave.

[QUOTE=Barri]And then there is Zone One.
[url]http://www.yellowpages-cambodia.com/restaurant-and-bar-guide/restaurants/zone-one-club-27688.html[/url]
I am not sure that the address in the Yellow Pages is correct, but it is more or less round the corner from Blue Wave.[/QUOTE]


Not exactly round the corner but close enough to each other.
Finding an Address means almost nothing in SR as all those smaller side streets dont even have Street signs or names to them for anyone looking for them (but this seems to be common all over Cambo--except for PP).


PT

I'll be in SR on 9 March. I wanted to stay at Mandalay Inn. They quoted 15$ one Single. Does it mean that I have to pay to bring girls in? From your reports I understood it was GF.

Any other GF hotel about 20$ in the center zone?

[QUOTE=Fiddler]I'll be in SR on 9 March. I wanted to stay at Mandalay Inn. They quoted 15$ one Single. Does it mean that I have to pay to bring girls in? From your reports I understood it was GF.

Any other GF hotel about 20$ in the center zone?[/QUOTE]


Nope, GF means just that=no extra fee to bring guest back to room. Only thing is make sure bed is big enough to support 2 people as sometimes paying for a single bed means just that, you'll get a small "single" bed only.



PT

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Nope, GF means just that=no extra fee to bring guest back to room. Only thing is make sure bed is big enough to support 2 people as sometimes paying for a single bed means just that, you'll get a small "single" bed only.

PT[/QUOTE]Thanks!

Anyway I booked a Double for 17$/night, just to be sure ... :)

Then I'll see how's the SR scene

Thanks for Phantomtiger2 and others for helpful hints. Here are my experiences (reported prices are just examples, you can try to bargain more):

First it seems that the prices in Siem Reap are quite reasonable. Price quotes might be high, but once they realize that you know the prices, prices will come down quickly. Here are some examples:

"Massage" places near Golden temple villa: there are three places providing sex, easily noticable from pink lights. If you don't see any cute girls from outside, you can still come in and ask to see more girls. Asking price for boom boom was $15 but they quickly settled for $10.

Taphul road: there are at least two places here. They are located one the left side of the road just before "Smileys guesthouse" if coming from Siem Reap. These places are also noticable from pink lights although they aren't directly visible to the outside (however, there are some girls standing on the street). Paid $7 (initial asking price was $10), the "room" was very basic, this it makes sense to bring a girl to the hotel :) Later I visited the other place, didn't find anybody cute, but girls offered boom boom for $5, thus I guess that the actual going rate is even below $5. Better start bargaining from $3 in these places :)

Sok San massage: fixed price for the massage is $5, FS is negotiable with the girl. I didn't take massage here, but I would guess that the $10 will be enough for the girl (total cost: $15). LT is $30.

I was a bit dissapointed by those massage places on the other side of the river. I noticed only four of them, the amount and the quality of girls was not very high and the prices were higher than reported here (maybe because of the high season?). Here are some pricing information:

Bophea quoted $35 for ST, LOL and the girls did not look anything special
Madonna: $40 for LT

Doremi (the first one after crossing the river) had more reasonable prices: after some bargaining was offered LT for $25

About Mandalay Inn: if you have a single occupancy then the joiner fee is $5. Thus it's makes sense to book a single, unless you will be bringing a girl every night in a room.

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