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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2919619]A few years back the USA Embassy stopped providing the notarized income verification letter we were required to submit to Thai Immigration in order to extend our Long Stay (Retirement) Visas. And at that time we were told income verification would have to be provided to Immigration directly. Meaning we needed to provide proof of a pension or whatever was the source of the required 65,000 baht minimum monthly income or I think even the 800,000 baht Thai bank deposit along with the other documents required for extending those visas.

So that is what I did. I routinely included a copy of my pension 1099, rental property income and / or Social Security income statements in the packet of documents I handed the Immigration Officer at crunch time. Way overkill really. But it was reported uncertain if, say, rental property income qualified or not, certain sources of pension and so on. So I gave them some of everything that might qualify.

I never was told by an Immigration Officer if or which documentation was the one or ones that qualified as valid sources of income. I asked a couple of times. But in the Bangkok Immigration Office, they are so swamped and apparently are so immunity resistant to any and all questions from the various country visa applicants they just waved off anything that might slow down or sidetrack the paper shuffling and pointing back to the waiting area or another windows.

Well, this time around, when I extended my visa in April, I was actually witness to what the Immigration Officer did when she opened my documents envelope for the first time and encountered those proof of income source documents. She pulled all of them aside with less than a passing glance at any one of them, pushed them across the desk at me saying, "no need" and redirected her attention to only the most basic documents of interest to her; the visa application, bank statements showing the required minimum monthly Foreign Transfers, photo copy of my bank passbook, passport photo page, etc.

She could not have cared less what the source of those monthly ForeignTransfers were as long as they hit the 65,000 baht minimum amount for each and every one of the previous 12 months as shown in my Thai bank statements. Which runs contrary to the way it was reported regarding Immigration taking over the income verification duties of the USA and other Embassies a few years back. Not that the Embassies gave a shit about the source or even truthfulness of the claimed income either.

Anyway, I guess I am wondering who and at what point in my daily life or, most importantly, at crunch time when I am extending my visa next April, will somebody ask me for proof of my USA tax liability. The Immigration Officer? Really?

Are those swamped Immigration Officers being greeted by thousands of visa applicants and extenders from all around the world every working day of the week really expected to do what they have been doing plus add a review of tax forms and documents from 100 different countries, compare them to claimed income levels, chart how much each applicant comes up short on owed taxes for their home country vs Thailand, etc? And then what? Calculate and require them to pay the missing taxes before your visa expires in 3 days? As verified and notarized by an on-site licensed Tax Preparer?

I don't even get my USA taxes prepared and / or paid for a given tax year until almost October of the following year, with automatic extensions allowed to me as an expat living outside of the USA. So what is Thai Immigration going to know or ask of me about my 2024 tax year liability in April 2025 when I go there to extend my visa, which is the only part of this I care about.

Seems like it would probably be passed off to another agency to which our tax situation must be reported and not Immigration. If at all.

Hell, I remember when that dreaded TM30 form, the "Notification from House-Master, Owner or the Possessor of the Residence where Alien has Stayed" form, was suddenly and momentarily resurrected from its coma and required at the point of extending our visas. That lasted just one or two cycle years as I recall. Then it was put back to sleep and forgotten. The Immigration Officers in Bangkok were so frazzled by having to deal with that form, turning visa extension applicants away or fining them because their landlords hadn't submitted one properly for the year. No way are they going to stand for now being tax accountants for the crowds showing up every day.[/QUOTE]Solid information my brother. Thank you! Next year I have to renew my visa before even the first tax deadline in my country of origin comes due. It will no doubt be an interesting situation.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2919801]It's not uncommon for a bar girl to hit up a customer for 500 baht one time online, and then try to parlay that into sponsorship.

I once had a bar girl hit me up for 100 baht online.[/QUOTE]LOL my regular Lines me once in a while and whines she needs 100 baht. OK, can I fuck your ass next time? Yes.

Got one coming up LOL.

I remember those good old days in Bangkok going to the US Embassy to get the letter of income verification although I could have used the money in my bank account it was an excuse to do a day or overnight trip and get my grove on.

As we know each Immigration office applies the rules differently although the rules are written very clearly. There are reasons whatever chief is in charge allows this to happen. How hard is it really to do a conference all and say when and why one has to do a TM30! It is about control and corruption in my opinion.

For Jomtien it was never their intention to do any income verification except proof that you have 800,000 in bank yearly or monthly income.

This tax that is being spoken was intended to apply to catch their own Thais who were earning income from abroad and not pay taxes on it. The rule being applied wrong is sweeping expats into the net due to so many unable to understand the ruling.

Worry and not worry, I've been hearing for close to a year now yet it has been reported the revenue department doesn't have a clue nor is there a prep work being done like having forms in English filing of Taxes are still all in Thai and know what in Pattaya, go to the revenue dept and try to find someone who can actually speak any English. You might find a person little bit start talking as if talking to another farang look at their face and body language they are lost right after the first Krup.

Now try looking for a Thai person accounting so call expert, like Lawyers in Pattaya I've yet to find one who I can actually sit down and shoot the bull with. This lead me to Immigration in Pattaya which I know very well. Without going into detail the manner in which how Pattaya is funded there is around a dozen IQ usually the ones with uniforms today they are usually in the back what majority of those who do all the work are contracted out they are younger speak more English that the swamp leaders who make all the decision. Everyone working in that building is related in one way or another this is what is call Nepotism which is common and practice everywhere in government.

Each year I go to do my renew each year I take mental notes as to what is needed as soon as I'm done I go home and prepare next year noting what I need for the following. On my day I'm usually the 1st one within 10 minutes out the door this year the guy started to xerox my entire passport, then ask me to sign the pages I ask him is this new that requires due copies of everything now. He just stays silent and flip through all the pages using his highlighter to mark off items that is required. Put on thinking cap you realized he doesn't have to understand or read Englsih he is trained to look for specific items example my bank letter statement and book pages. He looks and highlight the date no more than 24 hours, pages didn't take out the money 2-3 months other than that he can't hold a English conversation nor can read even a sentence. You can whack off on them dissatisfied they will look you smile and continue to tell " you need this ".

So to the taxes, is it really going to happen or not they can't even find a way for airlines to collect 300 baht for the tourist medical and how to distribute the funds the idea to get your stamp you need to pay your taxes I just don't see it personally. Then you got country like you. S. Thai that has treaty that can't tax double especially pensions. Regardless of how much time I spend here money that I wired into Thailand into my Thai account using Wise is pension money SS or IRA, which I pay taxes and do my tax return yearly in US. Even in worse case if I had too with the vast deduction even in Thailand I most likely won't need to in fact I should get a refund. The are already taking taxes out from my Thai saving account once I get the interest a tax is taken out which doesn't happen for Thais especially the poor. The Thai circle, poor, bargirls never heard anyone I know paying any taxes, my wife restaurant, I guess 300,000 baht a month now gross, tax I don't even know if she knows the word LOL.

Our house our apartments I know there is a tax but as far as I know never have seen a bill. There was a time we paid taxes on the apartment building income to the muni, after one or two times I ask her whatever about the taxes she tells me " up to me " Based on how Cites are funded Thai government makes a lot of noise get you thinking this must be a big department you go there one person office is like 10 x10! It is going to be very interesting if it happens if it does I might look into an visa agent who I pay a bit more to buy pass the system of taxes.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2919826]In my opinion, sponsorship is an outgrowth of how feminism has fucked up the West. If a man has the ability to make enough money to travel to Thailand, then leave Thailand and still send money to a girl he cannot see on a regular basis then that man could take that money and spend it on girls in his home country. But he chooses not to. Why is that?

I disagree that a sponsor gets nothing. In todays technological age, you can be half way around the world and get the access and emotional connection that he cannot get in his home country. That is priceless. It is a sad testimony on the girls are that in his country. Along with the philosophy that caused that type of culture to grow and thrive.
[/QUOTE]It is important to note that in other circles men sponsor men and women also sponsor men. From being in the DR you know about those sanky pankies. The same exist in other countries. Those people could as well spend it on the same or opposite sex in their home countries, but they don't. It has nothing to do with feminism and more to do with I have more than you so here is some of mine.

[B]Opinion[/B]: [I]a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.[/I].

It is important to note that I provide my [U]opinions[/U] and others have theirs. Opinions are not facts nor can they proven or disproven. They can only be disagreed with. Like one of the body parts I like to fuck on a girl, everyone has one.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2919826][b]In my opinion[/b], sponsorship is an outgrowth of how feminism has fucked up the West. If a man has the ability to make enough money to travel to Thailand, then leave Thailand and still send money to a girl he cannot see on a regular basis then that man could take that money and spend it on girls in his home country. But he chooses not to. Why is that?

I disagree that a sponsor gets nothing. In todays technological age, you can be half way around the world and get the access and emotional connection that he cannot get in his home country. That is priceless. It is a sad testimony on the girls are that in his country. Along with the philosophy that caused that type of culture to grow and thrive.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;2920327]It is important to note that in other circles men sponsor men and women also sponsor men. From being in the DR you know about those sanky pankies. The same exist in other countries. Those people could as well spend it on the same or opposite sex in their home countries, but they dont.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, they don't because they get more out of the money spent on the opposite sex in the countries where they spend the money. Your example of "sanky pankies" in the Dominican Republic is dead wrong. That is paid sex. Older girls of means paying younger men for social / sexual attention. I do not know of a single man getting sponsorship of the same type that is spoken of often in the Thailand country thread in the Dominican Republic. My mind is open if you would like to present to examples anecdotal or otherwise of girls of means sponsoring men in the Dominican Republic.

I spent extensive time in the Dominican Republic (actually living there) and in the beginning I would wire money to myself. If I did that at the beginning of the month there would be a line to pick up remittances. You could see the girls who were obviously getting sponsored. Now, I don't know if you ever stood in those lines during your brief visits. But while I was living there I never saw or met a man who was sponsored in the same sense that individuals speak about sponsorship here in the Thailand country forum. I have no numbers to back this up but I would say 90% of all sponsorship is a man sending money to a girl, not the other way around. As you often do your subtle example is designed to imply that it an equal and balanced activity. But I am open to the idea if you can present some evidence to the contrary.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2920327]It has nothing to do with feminism and more to do with I have more than you so here is some of mine.[/QUOTE]This is stated as a fact. When it is really just your opinion. You disagree with me. I have no problem with that. But what you don't have (and neither do I) is anything to back up you statement. So, you really don't know that it has nothing to do with feminism. I will stipulate that you have the right to your own opinions. But not your own facts.

One thing I remember from the Dominican Republic ISG forums is that over the years you and I have rarely agreed on anything. Appears that it is going to be no different now that I have experience in Thailand also. But just like in the Dominican Republic you cannot point to a single time that I didn't have my facts straight.

Your serve!

I do go with some women over 40. They are generally in good shape, and are very good at securing customer boyfriends, which means they work for a couple of months, hook a guy who gives them money to go home, he ultimately wises up and stops sending money, and they come back to Pattaya to find a new victim / customer.

The problem is that they tend to get sick with nasty diseases, sometimes fatal. Very high mortality rate because they don't take care of themselves when they are in Pattaya.

[B]Shout out to the 40+ girls of Pattaya[/B]

The ones I find attractive keep themselves in shape. They have pleasant personalities. They are very good at pleasing me. They often will either take very low amounts (<1000 THB) or if they want that or more they do EVERYTHING I like. Why? They need a marketing edge over the young girls.

I love it when young guys (<45 to me) brag about getting with 18 - 20 year olds. Makes me laugh. I can grab a 30 - 40 year old with the same age difference. Yes, there is nothing like young pussy. I have reached a point in life where I enjoy some companionship. Easier for me to get from the older girls of Pattaya. Better yet, they are looking for it too. Even if they are paying their way through life by taking dick.

Just this morning I had a conversation with a lovely 44 year old. She ended the conversation by saying she needed to look for more customers because she need to buy something for her daughter. She let me know she was available how I wanted her when I needed her and just just reach out. Got to love the honesty. Contrast that with the sexy 20 year old last night. Tight body. Suck good. Tight pussy. Straight fucking no kissing.

Just stirring the pot! Not taking anyone side just curious. I look up the word fact and read the quoted on opinion. Fact is state as " experience " so would what a person experience once or a number of times be a fact at least to him. It would be improper to call what a person actually experience to be a liar, or as some like to note from certain country " Rubbish ".

It isn't so easy not to use the word, it is short " FACT " vs " Experience " easier to use fact since it is shorter LOL would one concur if it happens often from our experience we can then " Generalize " it is true most of the time would that be a " Factual Experience ".

I wonder " if one has they give " or something close to that these this situation or person count. I know people who have lots millions they are generous then there are others who are tight. I know a guy first hand seen him first hand over and over again. I have a number of chapters in my imaginary bio that I'm writing from my experience living here. He gets a decent pension nearly 10,000 USD a month, owns his own house value at a million has no outstanding debt can upgrade his house 2 bedrooms, one bath, but everything is outdated but choose to rent rooms to strangers.

The guy has a huge heart but he can't hold a candle to Forest Gump, girl he married back home left after a month, aside from weddings and funerals he has never step into a church to pray or donated to any church or charity that I know.

He has been coming to Thailand for over 20 years, the story I have logged on the guy when I tell them it is " Fact " they look at me like I'm the biggest BS MF in the world. Under the word " Sponsor " should be his name! I once sat with other friends and listen to him talk " he said the Thais are poor " reason he does what he does but never saw him help anyone back home. I sat there thinking you want to help people go to Father Rays, or stand on Sukhumvit and Klang overpass toss money to the road if you really want to help.

This guy I guess have dole out close to 20 million baht. He has read many of the Thailand book what not to do criticize others how stupid they are yet he has done so much far worse. I know if there is one there must be others. He once on a popular Soi, from a street vendor ordered two LODIES from a muslim lady he was leaving the next morning so he handed her 3000 baht.

Does this guy fall under " he has it so he gives it " LOL.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2920489]I do go with some women over 40. They are generally in good shape, and are very good at securing customer boyfriends, which means they work for a couple of months, hook a guy who gives them money to go home, he ultimately wises up and stops sending money, and they come back to Pattaya to find a new victim / customer.

The problem is that they tend to get sick with nasty diseases, sometimes fatal. Very high mortality rate because they don't take care of themselves when they are in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]It is true they don't take care of themselves a number of reason like most thing very little Hygiene is cover in schools. Then there is no preventive care available for them government hospital are packed you wait hours to be seen then hours to get your medication. Unless you are falling down there are very few test given they don't have time or the money that is my experience in Pattaya.

Correct, the older ones usually but I know a number younger twenties that have medical problems you look at a Thai diet sugar and more sugar then the alcohol and spicy food since a early age many have gas reflex, liver and kidney problem from high blood sugar reason I never demand a girl drink a particular drink those that know me usually ask for a coke even then that is bad. Majority don't get checked until it is too late. Many die not ever knowing what they had.

Then as for STD, HIV, it is like a curse taboo Thais will outcast you even family reason many keep it a secret not even get treated cause they don't want to be seen in the government hospital particularly units. It isn't just Pattaya.

"She's my sister".

You hear that a lot. 99% chance she's *not* the sister. It usually means "friend", or just a bar girl she met recently. In rare chances, it means "cousin", although a real cousin is called "grandchild".

A "cousin" might just be another bar girl from the same village.

Yep, In all my years I've never met girl that actually had a real sister working also. Usually as noted friend, roommate, mostly from the same village. Cousins, blood related also, " Look Pi Look Long ".

Village rumors many who are tempted to leave their village and head into the big cities like Bangkok, Pattaya hoping it happens while they earn money legal or not. Are there good Thai men, a Hi-So Thai Lawyer told me you be lucky to find 5% good Thai man they are all the same in different degree.

Thai culture, whether in the business or not if one is better off aren't going to lower themselves and pick outside of their economic standing sure does it happen yes are there " Pretty women " stories I'm sure there are but very low in my opinion. Not a fact, but I've spoken to a number of BG's especially in the business it isn't going to happen why waste your time dreaming. Reason when there are Thais in GoGo, and they are even before Covid, waste their time thinking it is going to happen plus many of the younger one's just want it for free.

As for P4 P, the girls old or young attract certain elements of Thai men, the one's with a bit of established money are already legally married but that won't stop another Thai from trying if they think it is worth it this is part of their culture if they are out there must be a reason at the same time the women don't realize if he doing it now he is going to do it again with you.

Many of the harden ones know even how to extract money out of Thai men who start to rise economically making a bit more money. They go to these local Thai drinking places nothing fancy but out our nowhere where you can eat and drink usually bottle service and have the waitress sit, drink, even BF, they act and throw their money like the rich, start to show off buy the girls things give them money, all of a sudden they go into debt over their head never had such a beautiful pussy pay them attention.

I know this one showgirl from a GoGo, this guy who seems rich bottle service, made her his gik, put her up in a Condo, help her open up this business being her friend I was happy for her one day I look up and spotted here topless dancing again. At the same time I was sad but happy after a few drinks she ask me to BF and cry on my shoulder how can I refuse. LOL.

In conversation, she opened up said the guy got her pregnant a week later she came home the dud was gone long gone, left her with a bunch of debt and a kid. Down the road in conversation with one of her friends she mentioned that I once said the guy didn't have any money ask how did I know? I said the " Shoes " I once noticed his shoes outside! We all had a good laugh!

The culture of men here particular in Bangkok and Pattaya, really isn't like the rest of Thailand. The women especially the older ones want a younger one like what we want a trophy. Majority are freeloaders as I call them traitor trash at best who just want a ATM, sounds familiar, so once they know they have an older women with money many get swept off their feet with the sweet talk, Women who are weak who are with farangs say they hate Thai men but once they are set want to be with their own kind with no real education their excuse I always hear " he doesn't understand me ".

[B]Fact[/B]: [I]something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists, or about which there is information[/I].

[I]that which actually exists or is the case; reality or truth; something known to exist or to have happened; a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true[/I]

In relation to assertions being made regarding feminism it would require that the OP know the truth through actual experience or observation. In this particular case he either does not actually know or he failed to share his experiences or observations of what he is claiming to be true.

That would be a stretch to say that the world over people sponsor others simply because they have more and chose to give it to those who have less. What observations has he made to assert that this is true? Can somebody please call 911? I have fallen out of my chair because I was laughing my ass off at the thought of the previous sentence and now I cannot get up.

If all it takes is mere experience to establish that something is a fact, I laid out mine regarding sponsorship in the Dominican Republic. But even in the most grandiose of mindset would I claim that my observations are applicable to every situation in which sponsorship is occurring in the Dominican Republic.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2920580]Just stirring the pot! Not taking anyone side just curious. I look up the word fact and read the quoted on opinion. Fact is state as " experience " so would what a person experience once or a number of times be a fact at least to him. [/QUOTE]Absolutely! I agree with you completely.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2920580]It would be improper to call what a person actually experience to be a liar, or as some like to note from certain country " Rubbish .[/QUOTE]But that is exactly what the OP did. He said, I was wrong. Even if he presented evidence that he had experience to counter what I had said (and he did not) since I did not experience what he did it means that is not a fact to me. In fact (use of the word for emphasis) my experience has shown me that the ideas he proffers or completely wrong. Instead of saying that directly, I chose to speak diplomatically and point out the things that I actually observed while living there that a short time visitor may not have had the time to see or may have overlooked.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2920580]It isn't so easy not to use the word, it is short " FACT " vs " Experience " easier to use fact since it is shorter LOL would one concur if it happens often from our experience we can then " Generalize " it is true most of the time would that be a " Factual Experience .[/QUOTE]I think it very easy to use the word fact. I think it has a universal meaning or understand throughout the world no matter what language you are using. Here are a few facts:

1. Gravity exists 2. Getting hit with 00 buck from a shotgun is bad for your health 3. You are going to die Now I have not experienced #2 or #3 personally. But I have observed both #2 and #3 occurring and will not argue with anyone who takes issue with me over these facts that I know. I simply allow them to experience them and then they can tell me how it worked out for them.

Here is the main point about sponsorship that I made: [B]In my opinion[/B], sponsorship is an outgrowth of how feminism has fucked up the West. If a man has the ability to make enough money to travel to Thailand, then leave Thailand and still send money to a girl he cannot see on a regular basis then that man could take that money and spend it on girls in his home country. But he chooses not to.

[B]The OP wrote this[/B]:

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2920327]It is important to note that in other circles men sponsor men and women also sponsor men. From being in the DR you know about those sanky pankies. The same exist in other countries. Those people could as well spend it on the same or opposite sex in their home countries, but they don't. [b]It has nothing to do with feminism and more to do with I have more than you so here is some of mine.[/b][/QUOTE]He is telling me that my opinion is wrong. Not sure how he justifies that in his own mind other than an attitude that everything he thinks says, and does is right.

[B]I disagree that a sponsor gets nothing[/B] But I cannot say that those who think that are wrong. Because I am not in the mind of those who disagree with me nor am I in the mind of the sponsors. In today's technological age, you can be half way around the world and get the access and emotional connection that he cannot get in his home country. That is priceless. It is a sad testimony on the girls are that in his country. Along with the philosophy that caused that type of culture to grow and thrive.

A sponsor get greater value from the money he spends on someone in another country than he could get spending it in his own country. If that is not true, with the exception of taxes can you give me one example where you spend money even though it does not give you value?

Lastly, I will add that I take satisfaction in helping people. With my knowledge, experience, physical skills or money. I get a great deal of benefit from helping people. Even when they are not appreciative. A unappreciative person simply does not get my help anymore. It does not change the experience for me.

[B]LittleBigMan[/B]

Your post below is just as valuable as gold is here in Thailand. Should be required reading for anyone who thinks he has found a girlfriend / possible wife. Just take a hard look a girls background. I am not talking bad or being critical. I am just saying be realistic.

The principles that you give align with my experiences. So according to your definition that would make them facts. My experiences have show that it hard to overcome culture. I have friends in Colombia and one that married a Japanese girl and that is universal complaint about the difficulties of trying to bridge culture. Has also been my experience. In the Dominican Republic and in Thailand. If you add in a age difference and then it gets even more difficult.

The only friends that I have that have had successful relationships with friends from girl from other their their country of origin have been with girls who have as we refer to it "been through the struggle". In other words, they have given up on the dream fed to us though our various societies and accepted the reality of the day to day situation they find themselves in. [B]They keep it real[/B]!

These are the girls that will appreciate a provider. Appreciate some stability and even then they may not trust it. They are going to want to maintain their independence. They are going to want to maintain connection to their culture. They may want to go out and party with their friends. If they come from the world of prostitution they are going to want to keep picking up money on the side for fun and excitement. That is the part that many men simply will not accept about.

Why does a 20 year old put my dick down her throat and then lets me blow sponge in her pussy. Because she needs the money I promised her afterwards. At my age I find that the younger girls are happy to service me. But they are trying to get the fuck up out here after they are done. Older girls be trying to hang out and I have to find a reason to get them to go.

So a 40 year old on Thai Friendly says in her profile she is lookin for the love of her life. I send her a message and offer 800 THB to fuck her pussy. Her response: When?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2920775]Yep, In all my years I've never met girl that actually had a real sister working also. Usually as noted friend, roommate, mostly from the same village. Cousins, blood related also, " Look Pi Look Long ".

Village rumors many who are tempted to leave their village and head into the big cities like Bangkok, Pattaya hoping it happens while they earn money legal or not. Are there good Thai men, a Hi-So Thai Lawyer told me you be lucky to find 5% good Thai man they are all the same in different degree.

Thai culture, whether in the business or not if one is better off aren't going to lower themselves and pick outside of their economic standing sure does it happen yes are there " Pretty women " stories I'm sure there are but very low in my opinion. Not a fact, but I've spoken to a number of BG's especially in the business it isn't going to happen why waste your time dreaming. Reason when there are Thais in GoGo, and they are even before Covid, waste their time thinking it is going to happen plus many of the younger one's just want it for free.

As for P4 P, the girls old or young attract certain elements of Thai men, the one's with a bit of established money are already legally married but that won't stop another Thai from trying if they think it is worth it this is part of their culture if they are out there must be a reason at the same time the women don't realize if he doing it now he is going to do it again with you.

Many of the harden ones know even how to extract money out of Thai men who start to rise economically making a bit more money. They go to these local Thai drinking places nothing fancy but out our nowhere where you can eat and drink usually bottle service and have the waitress sit, drink, even BF, they act and throw their money like the rich, start to show off buy the girls things give them money, all of a sudden they go into debt over their head never had such a beautiful pussy pay them attention.

I know this one showgirl from a GoGo, this guy who seems rich bottle service, made her his gik, put her up in a Condo, help her open up this business being her friend I was happy for her one day I look up and spotted here topless dancing again. At the same time I was sad but happy after a few drinks she ask me to BF and cry on my shoulder how can I refuse. LOL.

In conversation, she opened up said the guy got her pregnant a week later she came home the dud was gone long gone, left her with a bunch of debt and a kid. Down the road in conversation with one of her friends she mentioned that I once said the guy didn't have any money ask how did I know? I said the " Shoes " I once noticed his shoes outside! We all had a good laugh!

The culture of men here particular in Bangkok and Pattaya, really isn't like the rest of Thailand. The women especially the older ones want a younger one like what we want a trophy. Majority are freeloaders as I call them traitor trash at best who just want a ATM, sounds familiar, so once they know they have an older women with money many get swept off their feet with the sweet talk, Women who are weak who are with farangs say they hate Thai men but once they are set want to be with their own kind with no real education their excuse I always hear " he doesn't understand me ".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2920828][B]LittleBigMan[/B]

Your post below is just as valuable as gold is here in Thailand. Should be required reading for anyone who thinks he has found a girlfriend / possible wife. Just take a hard look a girls background. I am not talking bad or being critical. I am just saying be realistic.

The principles that you give align with my experiences. So according to your definition that would make them facts. My experiences have show that it hard to overcome culture. I have friends in Colombia and one that married a Japanese girl and that is universal complaint about the difficulties of trying to bridge culture. [B]They keep it real[/B]!

?[/QUOTE]What are some of the difficulties of trying to bridge culture?

Can you give some examples?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2921017]What are some of the difficulties of trying to bridge culture?

Can you give some examples?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Not sure if I can do it clearly, I have a million examples spilling in my head each day even before I opened the restaurant for my wife and son which I help each day in different capacities I watch the workers and customer. Those the restaurant that we serves although we get a few old school Thais who have a lot of money or assets have these standards or teaching in their culture.

Opinion and my experience derived from " not fact " LOL, the greater exposure to the western world the more open they are to learning something new. Those Thais who I have met, from High Class to the lowest which are the majority even those in the middle think more like the low.

I've met a number of Thais who attended school in the West, my personal attorney sister and brother were raised and went to school in Las Vegas and San Francisco, when we talk it is as if they aren't even Thai, their views the conversation as to what we talk they agree and understand. We might think our education in the West isn't keeping up with the world maybe not in the math or science category but the " critical thinking " linked to common sense is non existing to how we are brought up in the West. I've stated this a number of times many things we take for granted in the West the Thai standard doesn't even register the needle.

Education article after article from experts inside and outside the Thailand, if Thailand is to progress out of the dark they must incorporate international standard. Their government system is close to a hundred years behind. Instead of educating they push forward their culture tops leaders control what they learn some say being on time, to pledge to the K--g is more important than learning. The culture is laced with racism and prejudice from top to bottom. The rich Thais who parents opened and able to send them abroad to Western School those who return to Thailand like a number of MP, PM, can't or won't change things just go with the flow cause they have too much to loose. Case in point the Thai Harvard young man PITA who won the election but was removed by their so call consititution drawn up by those who really run the country before and after the man passed. What was he going to change he was already a MP for years but went along with the system or culture the same with the new guy PM, he went to Yale I believe going against the system the old guys. Watch the Thais news at night there is a channel that brainwashes locals things are being done for them.

That culture falls under the title " This is Thailand " This invisible book is so large it makes the bible look silly. The inability to improve the worse country in the world for driving, how roads are fixed, why the traffic is so bad in Bangkok and Pattaya, why there is garbage everywhere, why you can't swim in the ocean around Pattaya, why there is duel pricing, why all the money brought in to Pattaya more than other provinces there isn't any improvement infrastructure yet every major rain storm roads are flooded.

The culture in general brainwash the locals to follow like a rebots and not lead. Educating the people providing them with a good free education would threaten the have's in Thailand who run the place. Simple raising a child one of the toughest things in life in the West we are taught options, here it is only one way what was pass down from generations reason Thais knowing the problem is coming just let it come. If you tell them as a foreigner try this like if Thais are talking about everyday you walk out that door at noon, a train will kill you, tell them don't response T. I. T. Dramatic but it happens.

My son wife, her little brother known him since 4 years old 13 now, years back summer I try to teach him some English, for years all I heard was ABCDE, 1234, so I said let me teach you how to spell five numbers, 1-5 he did it, told him when I come back in two hours will ask again if you get them right I'll give you 20 baht, the sister said 40 baht, mother said too hard this is T. I. T. I politely said reach into your pocket how much money you got, he said I don't have any, I look at sister who ask for 40, someone comes along willing to help you out gives you 20 baht and you ask for 40, mother you say it is too hard T. I. T. You need to allow the school to teach. Today the dude is riding his motorbike got into a number of accidents don't come home, drinks get drunk, kicked out of school, in a gang and they want me to get him out of it like I did for my son. She says she can't do anything about it she isn't a bad person just she never learned a thing from her parents it gets passed down.

What a perfect topic, each morning I hear two words from Thais, " Mao and Lao " for the poor this seems their whole life their culture which is accepted. Little work ethics drink while working and driving if you express your opinion it is a waste of time they stare at you as if they want to kill you. My wife rents a space for her cousin and family to fix motorbikes there is reasons he has no money, his shop is trashed, he spends more time playing with his fighting chickens that attending to shop, customer come no clue where the fuck he is, just this morning I think he lost 500 baht to poor Thais that is a lot of money cause he doesn't what his wife going to the market alone. The culture work ethic is not up to par reason many can't stay at jobs that requires 6 days a week, 10 hours a day with two breaks and a lunch. This brings to the discussion as to why we got the conversation " Beach Road workers ".

Their culture not having critical thinking in their education system is the result we talk about today it runs deep so deep if you try to explain one can't because the Loss of face is so great it is talking playing with a time bomb at the same time it is one of the biggest frustration for someone like me living here trying to bridge the gap. You see the train coming but can't say a thing.