Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2760993]Just not true. Biden and the Euro's have done nothing to deescalate the war. If they really wanted to win, for starters we could start producing oil, but that makes too much sense.

They are just now starting to talk about making Pres. Z. to negotiate. This should have been going on months ago. Again Ukraine might actually win the war, but end up with nothing. A country destroyed, the Infrastructure is in ruins, a large number of the population will be dead, crippled, and the smart ones left the country never to return. I am sorry this is not winning.[/QUOTE]You realize that Kiev was the one that started fucking up Crimea right? Or are you not able to remember past the last thing CNN told you? And there's a reason the Azoff Battalion uses Nazi imagery on their standards. The only reason the West is involved is to stop Putin from getting his hands on all the records of their money laundering AND to fight BRIC which once it gets going will start fucking up the Euro / Dollar immediately.

[QUOTE=Hestendk;2761160]You newer negotiate before you have a good standpoint, NEWER.

Ukraine is far from destroyed.

Less then 3% of the population if we take the worst case scenario.

Smart ones left the country?

Have you ever been in Ukraine, the smart ones are still here, and the ones that left will return many of them.

You lack basic knowledge on the Ukraine people, you think of them as Russians.[/QUOTE]Drama loves Russia and hates Ukraine. There can't be any other explanations for all that gibberish he's spewing around here.

Whether or not he gets paid for loving Russia and hating Ukraine I don't know but, either way, no one is that stupid.

[QUOTE=Hestendk;2761160]You newer negotiate before you have a good standpoint, NEWER.

Ukraine is far from destroyed.

Less then 3% of the population if we take the worst case scenario.

Smart ones left the country?

Have you ever been in ukraine, the smart ones are still here, and the ones that left will return many of them.

You lack basic knowledge on the Ukrain people, you think of them as russians.[/QUOTE]Completely false you should always negotiate. You are wrong about just the large number that fled over the last 10-15 years, maybe a small portion returned. Ukraine is screwed either way.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2760993]Just not true. Biden and the Euro's have done nothing to deescalate the war. If they really wanted to win, for starters we could start producing oil, but that makes too much sense.

They are just now starting to talk about making Pres. Z. to negotiate. This should have been going on months ago. Again Ukraine might actually win the war, but end up with nothing. A country destroyed, the Infrastructure is in ruins, a large number of the population will be dead, crippled, and the smart ones left the country never to return. I am sorry this is not winning.[/QUOTE]There was absolutely no reason to start a war, Russia's territorial integrity has never been threatened. They have strategic nukes.

To win we need to move away from reliance on dictators and that means moving to nuclear and renewables. Which BTW most of Europe is doing thanks to the Orcs.

The infra is in ruins because the dirty orcs are targeting it, in direct violation of the Geneva convention, since these are not military targets and affect civilians primarily.

The smart ones are leaving Russia not Ukraine. Meanwhile, the dirty orcs are stealing the children of Ukraine.

Russia WILL lose this war and the way it is going, it seems more and more likely that the actual Federation will break up. What an own goal that will be.

Why would UA come to the negotiating table when the dirty orcs are focusing artillery on civilian infrastructure, will only regroup to attack later, have kidnapped Ukrainian children and forced them into dirty orc foster homes. Not to mention that UA is absolutely kicking RU's ass. With that kind of initiative, and the absolute shambles of a shitshow that is the army of dirty orcs, that also needs lines to shoot their own deserters, why would UA even consider discussions?

UA has been clear with their preconditions, RU should accept them, get the fuck out, and deal with the domestic mess they themselves created.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2761178]Completely false you should always negotiate. You are wrong about just the large number that fled over the last 10-15 years, maybe a small portion returned. Ukraine is screwed either way.[/QUOTE]Most of the people who fled after 24 February will come back.

They don't have any other options, EU are not going to let them Immigrate to EU after the war.

Ukraine will have a Boom of jobs and rising middle class after the war.

When was you last time in Ukraine?

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2761178]Completely false you should always negotiate.[/QUOTE]The conundrum is what would you negotiate. Give the tiger a leg or an arm and hope he doesn't come back for more.

Hitler got Austria and Czechoslovakia and that wasn't the end. Do you really believe Putin would be satisfied with some Eastern pieces of the Ukraine.

There's an old axiom "you can't negotiate with crazy" for a reason.

I'm sure you might respond that the Ukraine and other former Soviet republics are not worth the West's support. The big picture is China is watching the West's resolve relative to their own designs on Taiwan.

[QUOTE=Hestendk;2761489]Most of the people who fled after 24 February will come back.

Ukraine will have a Boom of jobs and rising middle class after the war.[/QUOTE]Exactly, the allies have committed to some sort of Marshall Plan, there will be a lot of opportunity.

Ukrainians love their country, and if there is good work for them, they would rather be there.

One of the 100 missiles launched by the Russian aggressor today, hit Poland, a NATO member. Two farmers are dead.

As always, Russia has already blamed Ukraine for the attack. Just their usual dumb soundbites, nothing more.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens next.

Perhaps, end-of-the-world interesting. Intentional or not, NATO can't let it slip. Just can't.

Looks like the biggest crooks on the planet are part of the biggest scam ever. Of course! Would not have expected anything less.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2762381]One of the 100 missiles launched by the Russian aggressor today, hit Poland, a NATO member. Two farmers are dead.

As always, Russia has already blamed Ukraine for the attack. Just their usual dumb soundbites, nothing more.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens next.

Perhaps, end-of-the-world interesting. Intentional or not, NATO can't let it slip. Just can't.[/QUOTE]Xman you are one twisted guy. I think you are honestly hoping for this to escalate.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2762381]One of the 100 missiles launched by the Russian aggressor today, hit Poland, a NATO member. Two farmers are dead.

As always, Russia has already blamed Ukraine for the attack. Just their usual dumb soundbites, nothing more.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens next.

Perhaps, end-of-the-world interesting. Intentional or not, NATO can't let it slip. Just can't.[/QUOTE]First, we now know the missile was a Ukrainian stray.

Second, we wouldn't launch a NATO retaliatory attack on Russia even if it was determined to be a Russian stray missile. A severe warning would be more appropriate. If there was anything else that could be embargoed, that would send a message. (Not sure there is anything left to embargo.) Perhaps, there is other forms of support that could be provided to the Ukraine if Russia crosses a line. It's all moot at this point.

[QUOTE=Riina;2762472]Looks like the biggest crooks on the planet are part of the biggest scam ever. Of course! Would not have expected anything less.[/QUOTE]What does this have to do with Kyiv?

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2762477]Xman you are one twisted guy. I think you are honestly hoping for this to escalate.[/QUOTE]How many more Ukrainians have to be killed and driven off their homeland, I. E. Palestinianized, before Ukraine can be colonized into a reconstituted Khazaria?

[QUOTE=Riina;2762472]Looks like the biggest crooks on the planet are part of the biggest scam ever. Of course! Would not have expected anything less.[/QUOTE]Laundering money stolen from his ponzi scheme to give to president ziostinklensky. Of course!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2762636]First, we now know the missile was a Ukrainian stray.

Second, we wouldn't launch a NATO retaliatory attack on Russia even if it was determined to be a Russian stray missile. A severe warning would be more appropriate. If there was anything else that could be embargoed, that would send a message. (Not sure there is anything left to embargo.) Perhaps, there is other forms of support that could be provided to the Ukraine if Russia crosses a line. It's all moot at this point.[/QUOTE]First, you're right. It was a Ukrainian missile that missed its target.

Second, really, crossing the line? Russia has crossed 1,000 and one lines and there have been an avalanche of severe warnings already. If anything, warnings only embolden Putin and create an illusion that no actions will follow. I would hope that if Russia does actually attack a NATO country in any way, shape or form, the block will respond with something more essential than yet another "warning". Not nuclear, but the complete annihilation of their Black Sea fleet would be a good start.