Bogota Reports

I'm back in Bogota for my 3rd trip here. My first trip was back in Sep 2023 for 10 days and my second trip was in Dec 2023 again for 10 days. For both of those trips I stayed at the Tequendama Hotel. I arrived for this most recent trip this past Friday Sep 6th. As usual the flights from where I'm coming in the USA have my landing at like 5 am Bogota time. The trek through customs was pretty quick. I filled out my MIG even though this trip United didn't force me to like previous trips, but I did it anyways just to be sure.

This trip I am staying at the Hotel San Francisco de Asis for the first time as the rates for the Tequendama Hotel was like double the nightly rate and it was about 25% higher than what I paid my past two trips. Since I'm staying 18 nights this trip figure I should save a few bucks LOL not to mention I did want to check out this hotel. I had booked my hotel for Sep 5th since I certainly didn't want to wait until 3 pm to check-in. Nobody else was checking in when I arrived so that went pretty simple. The desk people spoke limited English and I don't speak Spanish although I know a super small bit. Everything went fine and I was checked in pretty quickly.

For those who may want to know the room is ok but not ideal especially if you're a bigger guy. The bathroom is small and the toilet is positioned pretty close to the sink and the shower has a sliding glass door that is a bit small too not to mention the toilet paper dispenser which is like the ones you see in public bathrooms in the USA so it's pretty big is right there kind of blocking the entry way into the small shower. The shower head is coming out of the ceiling too which I'm not a fan of. As per most Bogota hotels a / see isn't really a thing, but there is one window you can open. Although the noise from the street below can become decently loud if you open the window. With the windows closed though most of the traffic noise isn't an issue. At least on the higher floors. The bed is a bit harder than I'd like and I like a hard mattress. There is a desk and desk chair in the room if you need someplace to setup shop to work from. The internet has been pretty decent too as I've watched some YouTube videos, streamed some anime on Crunchyroll, and streamed some podcast and music. There is a wall mounted flat screen tv in the room with a decent channel selection too. They do have a daily breakfast, but I've not partaken so I can't really say if it's decent or not. There are ample little convenient stores, drug stores, and restaurants around if you want to stay in the area mostly. Also most of the people staying at this hotel tends to be locals although I've seen a few whom appear to be non-local like this American / European looking white couple.

Anyways after checking in I went to my room and crashed for a few hours since I was mostly away on the plane ride down. After waking up I hit up the OXXO store that's 1 block away on the opposite side of the carrera 10 to get some bottled water and a few snacks. Later Friday evening around 6:30 to 7 pm I walked over to the zona to get into some action. This first night I ended up just walking around the zona stopping at some of the little beer bars having a drink and checking out nearby girls. This lasted a few hours before I eventually decided to scoop up a freelancer whom I fancied at one of those places one block over from the back entrance to Troya. She was a cute little Colombiana that was short, hand the typical brown that was past her shoulders, small boobs, but a nice little ass that I found was slightly enhanced (I originally thought it was natural). The session with her was pretty nice and she seemed pretty friendly based on what limited talking we could do. After that I walked back to the hotel. Again I did this my past trip for the slightly longer trek back to Tequendama Hotel so I was comfortable walking back at like 1 am in the morning.

Saturday I decided it was my day to return to Troya which per my last two trips is my favorite zona club. I got there sometime between 8-9 pm and stayed there until sometime between 1-2 am. This night I didn't see a lot of the same faces I saw on my previous two trips although I did see a few holdovers some whom recognized me. Overall I will say that Troya had a lot LESS enhanced girls on staff compared to my last trips. I like all types of women, but do love a women with curves so I was a bit disappointed some of the enhanced baddies I've seem previously, but didn't get to sample weren't on-hand. In my view there looked to have been more girls with butt work than breasts work for those whom did have any work done at all. Maybe all the enhanced ones went to another club, went independent, retired, or went abroad. As usual when I go to these zona clubs I usually order some drinks, chill, get some dances for various girls, then finish out the night with a session from a girl I fancy. This visit was pretty much that. The chosen lady of the night ended up being this girl that had approached me right after I arrived. Since I prefer to chill by myself for a good 30-45 minutes to see what talent was on-hand I had dismissed her. Not to mention she was wearing to much clothes at that point. I forget what kind of top, but she had on some khaki type pants and heels which certainly isn't what you typically see girls walking around the club in although I could tell her ass was nice and her face was cute. Lucky for her she did a set on-stage where she got naked which really allowed me to see that ass more and it peaked my interests in her more. I did end up getting a dance from her and later on ended up taking her up stairs to end my night right.

Sunday I knew the zona was going to be a bit slow. I just went out to one of the little bars for a bit then grabbed a freelancer. That session was a dud though since the chick didn't have lube and spit wasn't really cutting it too much. I ended up just getting a crappy CBJ to completion and called it a night.

Tonight / Monday after last night's dud I decided I'd hit up Troya again. I got there sometime between 8 and 8:30 pm and stayed until a little after 1 am. It was more of less the same as my trip Saturday. The selection of girls was still pretty much similar to Saturday's lineup, but there were even less enhanced girls than there were Saturday. There were mostly natural girls and even the freelancers (I assume that's what they were) that would occasional pop in looking for customers where mostly all natural girls too. There was one I really fancied but she was kept busy entertaining / drinking / talking with guys although I think only one pulled the trigger. Anyways after going through my usual of buying various drinks, chilling, getting dances I decided to take this one girl upstairs that I'd conversed with and gotten dances from tonight and on my last two trips, but never did the deed with. She'd given me a good dance tonight and since it was getting late and junior was ready for some action she was it LOL. We went upstairs and I put in some work. Junior must have been making up for last night's dud as it took a little longer than usual to bust so I really gave her the business. After that I walked back to the hotel as usual even thought it was a little wet outside since it'd apparently rained a little during the time I was in Troya.

It's like after 3 am now when I'm writing this so off to bed I go. I still have a number of days left so I'll write more if anything of note happens.

Never change your money at the Airport!

Their fees are too high.

If you must get as little as you can to get you to Bank.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2943762]Does anyone know where the best ATMs with good rates and large maximum cash withdrawals are located.

And is a there a decent casa cambio at the airport?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2943762]Does anyone know where the best ATMs with good rates and large maximum cash withdrawals are located.

And is a there a decent casa cambio at the airport?[/QUOTE]The money changer in AP is not going to give best rate-- but there are ATMs too-- largest amount (2 Million COP) is from Davivienda with a $4-5 fee (not sure if they are in AP) Also BanCoomeva gives 2 Million too. There are others that give close to that, Banco AV Villas, Caja Social (1. 9 million or so) and there are others I don't remember names-.

Of Course you may do as many WDs up to your bank limit.

Important -- They ask if you will 'accept the conversion' -- Don't Do it -- it is a junk fee-- I actually was at another ATM recently at Banco AV Villas and they asked if I would accept some other thing and made it look like I would not get money-- I said no and got paid.

There are many Davivienda ATMs in the downtown area not far from Santa Fe-- Also in the North.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2943385]La capuchina is one place by KR 13 and Calle 18 --BTW I am OCT62-- What a drag it is getting older.[/QUOTE]Oh man, you can say that twice.

Thank you so much. When I get a little more settled, maybe you can show me around a little, as you have for so many others. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2943762]Does anyone know where the best ATMs with good rates and large maximum cash withdrawals are located.

And is a there a decent casa cambio at the airport?[/QUOTE]If you decline the option they push at you, and just take the conversion rate, it is your home bank that decides the conversion. At least with my bank it is. So I will get the same conversion rate at any bank ATM. But ATM fees may vary, and at least with Davivienda there is a hidden other fee sometimes. And maximum cash withdrawals can change. Lower on paydays for example.

[QUOTE=BoarderDude301;2943786]The women who are originally from Bogota, are more attractive. However, Bogota also has a significant number of women from other areas of Colombia who are super hot. Also hot Venezuelans. For what you are looking for, you will be very disappointed with CDMX. I do not recommend based on the criteria you laid out.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response. Looks like Bogota is the obvious choice then.

How's the BBFS hit rate? Do most girls do it?

Thanks to woodman for stating this. I am surprised that it isn't common knowledge. This is true for Colombia and elsewhere.

ATMs will ask "Accept the conversion" or something similar. If you say yes, then you are accepting the local bank's conversion rate rather than your banks.

I am not sure on non-US banks, but for US banks you will see very low rates vs the interbank rate you see on XE. I think it's between 0% and 1,5%.

To proove this was the case with a friend years ago, we did an experiment at two banks. IIRC Bancolombia and Davivienda. "Accept the conversion" gave a rate 3,5% worse.

SUDAMERIS. I am surprised that Banco Sudameris doesn't come up. They don't have nearly as many branches and have a funny ATM interface (as in colors and clip art). But they have the lowest transaction fees and very high withdraw limits. I've seen 5 M but usually "only" 2 M. They are the local bank of choice for wealthy expats. If you need to see a teller, you are unlikely to have a long line. Their branches are mostly in wealthy neighborhoods of Chapinero and Usaquen.

Banco de Bogota has the lowest per transaction limits.

Outside of major cities, your choice of ATMs can be very limited.

Also, as mentioned, the casa del cambios at the airport and otherwise are typically really bad rates. Especially for Colombians buying dollars or euros as they leave. Sometimes the selling dollars rates can be OK, when the casa is low on US cash, but typically not. There's also a very real chance of counterfeit for casas not at the airport.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2943919]The money changer in AP is not going to give best rate-- but there are ATMs too-- largest amount (2 Million COP) is from Davivienda with a $4-5 fee (not sure if they are in AP) Also BanCoomeva gives 2 Million too. There are others that give close to that, Banco AV Villas, Caja Social (1. 9 million or so) and there are others I don't remember names-.

Of Course you may do as many WDs up to your bank limit.

Important -- They ask if you will 'accept the conversion' -- Don't Do it -- it is a junk fee-- I actually was at another ATM recently at Banco AV Villas and they asked if I would accept some other thing and made it look like I would not get money-- I said no and got paid.

There are many Davivienda ATMs in the downtown area not far from Santa Fe-- Also in the North.[/QUOTE]

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Yes, you will find a lot. Many Colombian women age very well.

In Photoprepagos you can use age filters and get a lot of hits for older women of quality. I have found that the listings are reasonably accurate for age (maybe add 5 years to what's listed). I believe that the verified postings are exact as they submit their cedulas. 80% of experiences on PP have been very good to excellent. And the 20% have only been "fair" - by Colombia standards (high bar).

La Celestina, best agency IMHO, has "MILFs" which they define as 29+. They tend to be in their 30's though, probably 45 max.

[QUOTE=Sept1962;2943128]I'm a little weird, in that I like older women. Like 40-60. I know everyone here is looking for spinners and young ladies, but I have always had *great* experiences with older providers. Closer to GFEs, they're more willing to do more things, and that's been true for me in Europe and in Bangkok. So I'm wondering where I might maybe find women like that. Any advice is appreciated.[/QUOTE]

YMMV, but these are my experiences based on many years in BOG. I appreciate your perspective and experiences.

La Celestina.

I am surprised that this agency doesn't get more good press. They are probably the largest high end agency in the city. By far. They aren't cheap. I have nothing but good things to say. Solitasparati / Niisha used to be their equal, but they have declined in both size and quality. And they are usually prompt (baring traffic). Often to the minute.

I believe that the face blurring is new to the site.

On any day other than Sundays there will be at least 100 available, many of whom don't have profiles on their website. All photos are real and most are lightly to moderately photoshopped for skin tone & blemishes. And, as most people know, it takes much more effort to touch up videos.

There's a telegram channel which they use to broadcast who is available. It usually comes out twice daily 11/12 AM and again around 2/3 PM. It typically has a photo or GIF of a bit less than half of the list. They have recently begun some livestreams with model interviews and giveaway raffles. Only problem is that the telegram channel is oversubscribed (+1600) and they will only add you if you have recent business. However, beginning around noon, you can ask them who is available and they will send you the list. If whatsapp, it will be only the list. If you use telegram then you should ask for list and photos.

IMHO, unlike other agencies, many (but not all) of the models will insist on going thru the agency for repeat business.

As for the profile data, I think it's 95% correct on LaCele. Some fields (like surgeries, height) are 100% accurate.

If you are in an appointment and have any type of misunderstanding or dispute, and speak Spanish, make a call on speakerphone -- yours or the model's. Asking to have them help mediate. Customer service & repeat business means a lot to them. It's been many many years, but I did once have disagreement on rate and upcharges. Agency supported me and all was good, including a good session. As long as your are polite and apologize for the misunderstanding. BTW, it's also a good idea to only have exact change in your wallet and keep additional funds elsewhere. Esp for independents. Seems less of this than many years ago.

PhotoPrepagos.

On PhotoPrepagos, in my experience, I think the profile data is 80% correct. I've got a good track record or perhaps I've improved my BS filters. It's always the same person, but sometimes the photos can be rather old. Some providers have been on there more than 5 years. Oh yeah, PP just added audio attachments. You definitely should listen to them. It can definitely give you a preview of personality. Even without Spanish fluency, you'll be able to judge a lot on tone of voice.

Mileroticos.

On Mileroticos, I would estimate that the profile data is 70% correct at best. IMHO, Mileroticos is only for use outside of BOG and MDE.

It might go without saying, but I will say it anyways. With LaCele, it's a agency. When you chat you are chatting with a dispatcher.

With PP and ME, it's probably 50/50 that you are chatting directly with an independent. Especially when they take a while to get back to you (hours). PP and ME are also horrible for timeliness even when not doing domicilio. The no-show rate can be rather high for domicilio.

[QUOTE=Mastov;2943399]Bogota Vs Mexico City.

I'm planning on doing an extended stay in Bogota Colombia or Mexico City for at least half a year. Colombia seems to have better reports compared to CDMX. Funny enough most of the good CDMX lays seem to come from Colombianas in Mexico.[/QUOTE]Nah, I would not go for Colombian women being better in bed than Mexican women. I will say Colombian women are more friendly in Colombia than the Mexicans are in Mexico. Mexican women have this kind of wall that you have to break through until they get comfortable. But the Colombians who go to Mexico have that same wall.

[QUOTE=Mastov;2943399]My priorities are:

- Agencies or Massage Parlors over Street Walkers or Clubs.

- I don't like drinking, loud music or walking the streets.[/QUOTE]With Mexico City, the go to is Twitter. Even the organization known as laboutiquevip, whatever it is, in Mexico City will have photos of women that link to their twitter pages. There are street walkers in Mexico City too. In Colombia, you have it all: strip clubs, casas, street walkers, massage parlors, agencies.

Mexico City cracked down on strip clubs and the escort world kind of went underground, so the options to find women are more limited. What you have in Mexico City that you do not have in Bogota though is women from all over the world. You will see not only women from every major South American country but white women from Ukraine and Russia, and they are hot. The reason for this is mongers in Mexico City have more money.

Price wise, you are going to pay more in Mexico City and way more if you go up on the looks scale.

[QUOTE=Mastov;2943399]- BBFS.

- I don't care about food or other things to do. And I can live with less safety.

- I'm open to Seeking Arrangements, though I've never done it.[/QUOTE]If you want BBFS, you probably should go for Seeking, and seeking is better in Bogota than Mexico City. BBFS was pretty common in both places with seeking and not so much without it.

I think a better question to ask with regards to the women is who you have access to. In Mexico City, I do not think you are going to have a shot at the upper crust. The money the Mexican elite make is at the same scale as those in the USA, and you have to compete with them, and that is not true in Colombia. That is not to say the middle class types in Mexico that you meet are not great. They sure can be. Just because a woman comes from a well to do family does not mean she is going to be better company or a better lover. It is just you have little chance for a woman from the upper class in Mexico.

Because Colombia is poorer, there is way more pressure on the girls / children to produce. So there is really no comparison when it comes to things like education, refinement, and class. So as to what you will have available to you, Colombia beats the snot out of Mexico. In fact, the Mexican men routinely prefer Colombian women to Mexican ones, and the Colombian men prefer Colombian women. The Colombian women I have talked to and have gone to school in Mexico say it is a breeze compared to Colombia.

I have settled down with one gal I met in Bogota. I cannot tell you how many times we have traveled and someone correctly identifies that she is Colombian. If she is talking to men, they say it is her accent, but I think they are FOS. Men have guessed it when she has not said a word. Okay, yes Colombians have a certain look but the reality is the beautiful Colombian woman exceeds those of almost all other Latin countries. The only country IMO that can match the beauty of the top Colombian women looks wise in South America is Brazil.

I should say though that you are going to run out of touristy things to do in Bogota in a week or so. Mexico City has so much more to do and see. IMO if you get bored in Mexico City, that is on you. There is an energy in Mexico City you only see in the best big cities like Tokyo, NYC, London. You can just feel it. Outside of the women and a few things that are more costly in Mexico City, Mexico City has Bogota beat in every way.

So to me, you can go to Bogota and find the street walkers, strippers, and escorts and get your itch scratched. What I wish guys could see is what I see. After hooking up with my gal, I met her friends and all her daughter's friends. It is the most amazing set of women I have ever seen: looks, class, education, talent. Thing is these women are busy at work, school, and their families. It is not easy to penetrate this world, but it exists, and the largest collection of said women is in Bogota.

I think what separates me from other guys is they rave about Bogota as a place to get cheap pussy and it is whereas I think it is the best place in the world to get a hot and amazing girlfriend or sugar baby. But outside of women, I would have little interest in spending much time in Bogota whereas I go to Mexico City because I love the city. Hope that helps.

My first post was in reply to CDMX vs BOG and my thought was that it was "obvious" and there is no contest between the two destinations. I can see how it could have been seen as inflamatory.

A more polite response: Anyone who has visited both locations (I have) will agree that there is no contest and BOG wins on every dimension the original post had asked about.

However, CDMX is a great destination for museums, culinary, and other cultural and touristic aspects.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2944471]
If you want BBFS, you probably should go for Seeking, and seeking is better in Bogota than Mexico City. BBFS was pretty common in both places with seeking and not so much without it.

I think a better question to ask with regards to the women is who you have access to. In Mexico City, I do not think you are going to have a shot at the upper crust. The money the Mexican elite make is at the same scale as those in the USA, and you have to compete with them, and that is not true in Colombia. That is not to say the middle class types in Mexico that you meet are not great. They sure can be. Just because a woman comes from a well to do family does not mean she is going to be better company or a better lover. It is just you have little chance for a woman from the upper class in Mexico.
[/QUOTE]Thanks Elvis,

So to sum things up:

- Mexico city's only real "sex win" is that it has an international buffet for high-rollers. E. g. You can have a Mexican one week, an Eastern European another week, a Japanese next week etc.

- Another "win" for Mexico city is food, experiences, museums. E. g. Cultural stuff.

- No real advantage in either place for BBFS with escorts. It's uncommon.

- SB's are better in Colombia due to looks, friendliness but also class accessibility. You can SB a high-class Colombian, but are unlikely to SB a high-class Mexican (they don't need us).

I would prefer to date a civilian over p4 p, just not sure if I'll be successful. It does sound like I have a better chance in Colombia.

Another Question:

Any reason to choose Bogota over Medellin based on wanting: escorts, BBFS and possibly sugar babies? A few thoughts below:

- Bogota has about twice the population (more options).

- Bogota seems to have less expats (isn't overrun).

- Bogota's weather is colder, so even if the women are as hot. They're going to show less skin for our viewing pleasure.

- Medellin has a Parque Lleras. Not that I would go, but there doesn't seem to be a mid-tier street equivalent in Bogota.

- Medellin has a fair number of light skinned girls (my favorite) - not sure if Bogota does.

- Medellin is famed for it's sexy Paisa accent. Not sure how the Bogota Rolo accent is.

Thoughts?

[QUOTE=GringoTigre;2944479]My first post was in reply to CDMX vs BOG and my thought was that it was "obvious" and there is no contest between the two destinations. I can see how it could have been seen as inflamatory.

A more polite response: Anyone who has visited both locations (I have) will agree that there is no contest and BOG wins on every dimension the original post had asked about.

However, CDMX is a great destination for museums, culinary, and other cultural and touristic aspects.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info GringoTigre.

What are your thoughts on Bogota vs Medellin?

I'm specifically interested in escorts, BBFS or Sugar Babies.

Less interested in streetwalkers or clubs.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2940759]Welcome to Bogota!

Welcome to the land of putas, arepas, and thin air! The nicer parts of the city, like La Candelaria and Zona Rosa were quite clean. But, I found some other areas were a bit trashy and riddled with graffiti. Having said that, I felt safe wherever I went. Because of the altitude, it was pleasant during the day, but it got chilly in the evenings. Because I am old and already walk slow, I did not have any issues.......[/QUOTE]Thanks so much for blessing the board with an extremely detailed and informative report. Considering a trip to Bogota soon. Your report definitely helps.