Bogota Reports

I agree with MaddTraveler on nearly all points. I think the point you are getting at is frugal doesn't mean cheap -- another way of "stay in your lane" perhaps. It's a very different experience in SF vs a GF or GFE including dinner, drinks and TLN elsewhere. You can use the car analogy sure, but I think the restaurant analogy is better. There are all kinds of ways to eat in Colombia, from things you can buy on the street to world class dining. While it is true you can get an experience that is a very good or very poor value, overall it is a very lot less expensive than US or Europe if you are trying to compare like for like. It is equally true WG and restaurants.

Some people only want to eat at some only want local street food, McDonalds (which exists in Locombia), some want only Michelin level. And some are like me that want and can afford a variety.

I do highly encourage all visitors to try the restaurant scene in BOG and, if you are into the hobby, as a second date I encourage extending a TLN to include dinner and drinks before. If pro or semipro, negotiate the TLN rate first and then propose starting earlier but including dinner and a drink.

I do have a little quibble with this:

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2952720] wanted to go out, works in Centro but only wanted to go to zona g. We all know it's the most expensive area of Bogota. So if your visiting SF, you can bring 200 k or less in your pocket and it will be enough; but going on dates in those areas I carry at least 600 k in cash plus my CC. Dinner in one spot, some wine in another spot and I'm already at 300 k. [/QUOTE]Zona G is NOT the most expensive area of the city.

Yes, Zona G does have a few of the most expensive restaurants in the city: LEO, El Chato, Cielo. But there many others in Zona G not at that level of cost and quality. For me the most expensive area of the city for a date of any type is Zona T (around CC Andino and CC Atlantis). In Zona T there are some good restaurants for sure, but there are also a few which for me aren't high value for money -- specifically Andres Carne de Res and anything inside Andino). In addition to the restaurants, there is also the shopping. Taking a date or WG there is a big mistake as you are going to waste time, money or both. Also, for non pro you need to know what they will appreciate and be comfortable with. I've seen some WGs become really intimidated by fancy restaurants, come dressed inappropriately, or intentionally order the most expensive thing on the menu just because they could. I generally don't go to a good restaurant until 2nd meeting.

Nonpro tip: use a trip to Zona T or any big CC as a litmus test early in a relationship. Go to a Crepes or Wok in any big CC and see how much time they burn in stores just looking, or how many things they want you to buy for them. That will often foreshadow things to come. Atlantis, Unicentro, Grand Estacion, Plaza Central are all better for that test than Andino.

Now I am hungry.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2952902] I have been dating an actual judge for a couple of years. Friday night I asked her where she wanted to go and she did not know. We ended up going to a dive spot in Teusaquillo eating fried chicken for 30,000 pesos. [/QUOTE]LOL. I have repeated that same experience countless times. And I think I have some insight that applies to many Colombianas but not all.

Sometimes the "I don't know" comes from the latin gender roles. It's the man's role to pick the place because he will be paying and it would be impolite otherwise. But after a couple years you get comfortable with each other, she will become comfortable to express her thoughts. But still the "I don't know" reappears LOL.

For other Colombians, depending on their background, they may go out to eat rarely outside their neighborhood and / or only dine out with family. It doesn't actually correlate with socioeconomic status.

While there are exceptions, anyone dating a nonpro Rolla more than 2 weeks knows about family dinners. If you want a long term relationship, it is to be expected and is obligatory. Pretty much an insult if you say no and would be the end of the relationship for many. You can predict that early on with a few questions during idle getting to know you phase: ask what she does for vacations. LOL. Probably family vacations, ask what family members go together and where they go. It could be just immediate family, but really often it includes 3 generations, and "primos". You can also ask to tell her about what she did for her last birthday. Or her mother's or sister's last birthday.

I got a chick up in Riohacha that wants to get tag teamed if 2 friends are up for it. Also can do one on one. Please PM me for details. No $ involved.

When do the working girls come back from Christmas vacation? In short I'm asking what's the mongering scene like in January?

I've been having a good time in Bogota for the past few days. I would love to meet another BM if anybody is interested to hang out. I'm not a newbie I'm know Bogota well and I go to avienda de mayo not just clubs in Santa Fe or 93. Pm me if anyone wants to grab a dinner or drink. I am in town for a few more days.

Santa Fe last night was hopping. Fiebre and Troya had the best chicas. There was a huge contingent of police with big white police bus parked in front of one of the clubs. Everything else was business as usual.

[QUOTE=VW1936;2953998]When do the working girls come back from Christmas vacation? In short I'm asking what's the mongering scene like in January?[/QUOTE]There is only a little slowdown following Christmas. Most Venezuelanas have no home to go back to or no ability to do go and return. Many Colombianas keep working because they need the money and customers are still there.

I've not done a statistical study in SF or other clubs, but it feels like a 30% drop. For both chicas and customers. That was gut feel, I looked back to the daily lineup from La Celestina for something quantitative. A "normal" day is between 60 to 110 chicas. During the first week of January, this dips as low as 40 on a Sunday or Monday / festivo, but it's often between 50 and 90.

I don't think success depends on the quantity of chicas, rather it is a combination of the ratio chicas: clientes and your ability to select well. Also, looks for me are less important to personality and performance.

That said, I am not the best person to ask as I have non-pro options.

[QUOTE=VW1936;2953998]When do the working girls come back from Christmas vacation? In short I'm asking what's the mongering scene like in January?[/QUOTE]You may get a few to return Dec 27/28 but most don't return to work until Jan. 2 or 3 However the best times to visit Bogota or most any Latin American country are the first 2 or even 3 weeks in December before Christmas week. That's when lots of girls are pressing for Christmas money. It's the best time to catch a chipper and sometimes some desperate girls who normally don't work in the hobby. _.

[QUOTE=VW1936;2953998]When do the working girls come back from Christmas vacation? In short I'm asking what's the mongering scene like in January?[/QUOTE]Tuesday January 7th, 2025 after 'el theía de LOS reyes magos' or Epiphany.

Been to Bogota recently. It was trip number 13 for me.

Here is a quick report:

North spa around Calle 80 carrera 14/15 (sensity, via, colorin, lux, absolut). Good line up at lux. Around 10 girls. All very attractive. Been 5 times. 270 k. However service is limited and cold. All girls work and behave the same. Sensity, mixed line up but service and behavior good to very good. I found a girl specifically with whom the fit has been perfect. Colorin, via, absolut: uncertain line up, hit or miss, depends on the day and your luck.

A bit south, nanxiang. Good line up. Around 10-12 girls. I picked up one and that was a good choice. So good that I stayed 2 hours. Girl sexual competencies are incredible. She was willing and was drenched during the 2 hours. I was not expecting much but god, was she good. Can be hit or miss there, all' depend on the girl. I had average to bad experiences in the past.

Chapinero casas: not worth the visit anymore. Was hit or miss before covid but since then, even if there are many casas and many girls, physically very few are doable. 95% vennies coming every day from far south Bogota. You get cheap sex but very poor line up to choose from. I did 2 sessions though. Visited around 15 casas BTW Calle 67 and 58. Did not go to trantra bit more north this time.

In my previous trips I found 2 Colombian girls who were occasional and there were very good but this trip, nothing only poor fatty vennies.

Santa Fe: it has now been at least 3 or 4 years that clubs are not worth visiting. Line up is very stable in troya, Adonis, fièbre. Always the same girls. They make money doing shows, not much with sex. Indeed price are too high, 120/150 a rato. Even Friday and Saturday were surprisingly slow. I have not done any session there. Only a few shows. Met some new girls at atonis but nothing new in the others.

In SF street, it varies a lot. For me it is not really predictable. Some hotties some days, and I mean really hot girls. Most are either average or completely reshaped with surgery but the few hotties are worth a try. I did a few and kept some phone numbers.

Agencies: I m not too much into online things but on the second Sunday I was there, I fancied a session at home. I did a bit of research and choose a girl on la celestina web site. I messaged the agency to set up a visit. Took 2 hours to get a reply probably because we were Sunday. Girl I picked was not available while the site was saying she was. I picked a second one. Same reply. Finally they send me the list of available girls via WhatsApp. I had to look for them 1 by 1 on their site to see the pictures. Half of the names of the list were not corresponding to any profile on their site. The other half were girls physically not very attractive to me. Too much silicone for most of them or too old.

I gave up and finally never did any session with the agency.

North club: I was a Calle 83/85 one night and some touts pushed me to visit some clubs. I think the one I visited was called la mansion. It was 11 pm I was the only customer on a Thursday. There were 2 girls visible at first and then more showed up. On 1 girl was attractive. A young 19 year old extremely sexy. We had a chat and a drink. She proposed a show, 200 k, and you need to take a room 150 k. I laughed and run away. Just 2 drinks and a propina 'para acompanarte' were billed 300 k.

Going to Bogota for a mongering vacation with a cousin, late November.

I am a South East Asia veteran, but a Colombia newbie, so I appreciate help from the experts here.

BTW, I don't speak any Spanish, but I guess I can manage with the translate apps.

First, where to stay questions:

Are most hotels girl friendly?

Do they charge extra if a girl visits?

Is there and advantage in going with AirBNB instead. Isn't less safe to be in AirBNB?

What are Love Motels? Can you stay there or just to meet girls?

Any specific hotel recommendations?

No down to business. Where to find the girls?

Agencies:

I checked out [URL]eroticasbogota.com[/URL] and lacelestina. Co. They both look very promising. Per hour cost is almost the same on average (350 K / Hour on average), but multi hour cost seems to be lower at lacelestina. That said, I looked up other website like pasionprepagos, Mileroticos, and Photoprepagos, and I found many girls with nice photos and the cost is way less than erotica and lacelestina like 150 k / hour. What's the catch? Fake pics? Bite and switch?

Clubs:

I wanted to try a couple of clubs, but not sure how it works.

I don't to go there for FS, so my question is do they offer nude lap dancing? If so, do you pay per songs or time with the girl?

Spas:

Looks like Tantra has the best reviews, but you may wait for long time for a room. Is that right?

Any recommendations for other spas?

Recommendations and advice are highly appreciated!

MrBaz.

[QUOTE=MrBaz;2954633]Going to Bogota for a mongering vacation with a cousin, late November.
I am a South East Asia veteran, but a Colombia newbie, so I appreciate help from the experts here.
[/QUOTE]You will do well to read thru this board as well as the maps in "Bogota Lists". It will give you answers to all your questions and more.

So that I don't waste hours re: here are a few answers.

Are most hotels girl friendly?

Historically yes, but post-pandemic, more and more either charge extra or prohibit unregistered guests.

Is there and advantage in going with AirBNB instead. Isn't less safe to be in AirBNB?

The majority of AirBnb in BOG have reception and are as secure if not more secure than many hotels.

MANY AirBnb don't allow unregistered guests. Period. It should say that in the airbnb listing.

What are Love Motels? Can you stay there or just to meet girls?

For Colombian couples who often live with their parents. But they also serves well for meeting novias of all types. Or for foreigners who have issues with either of the above. They charge by the hour and with big discounts for multi hour stays, but they are not a substitute for a real hotel unless you are in town 1 night and leave your bags at the airport. Some seedy, but most are not. They are cleaned thoroughly between guests (but check google review specifically for this). You can often get a room with a jacuzzi for a little more. HIGHLY recommended but make sure your chica is up for it.

Now down to business. Where to find the girls?

Read the forum, specifically check the guides.

Agencies:

[URL]eroticasbogota.com[/URL] - I never have used because their cost is way too high. I have heard mixed results.

Lacelestina. Co. Largest high end agency in the city. By far. On most days there are over 100 in the lineup. MANY of the girls don't have pix on their site and many on the site, even those saying available are NOT necessarily available that day. If you really want a specific chica, you can usually reserve a few days in advance. For same day, tell them your requirements by telegram or whatsapp and they will give you a good match and perhaps supply a few pix. Lacele is highly reliable apart from major traffic. You also are unlikely to be upcharged or have your time cut short.

Mileroticos, and Photoprepagos: most but not all posts on these sites are independents. Your mileage will vary. A LOT. Since you have not been in Locombia before, I suggest avoiding Mileroticos altogether. Photoprepagos can be very good, but your mileage will vary. Also delays or no shows can occurr. All messages thru whatsapp.

Lots of club and spa info elsewhere. Latin america also has concept of casas (houses). These are exactly that. Houses or apartments. Some have a line up, some are like a very small club. But most are a house which has zero markings outside. Many of the casas advertise on mileroticos or photoprepagos. Sometimes you communicate directly with the chica and sometimes with the casa. .

GFE isn't for everyone. But if it is for you, I think Colombia the best in the world. Some say SE Asia or Brazil. Those don't do it for me.

So this thread, *and hopefully your detailed replies*, are about tactics to maximize GFE.

*Sourcing (where):

Very low probability: SF, SWs just too transactional in my experience. Sure some of you find gems.

Low probability: casas, mezanine, non-Chapinero clubs.

Moderate: chapinero clubs.

Moderate +: PhotoPrepagos, Facebook, a few of the better agencies.

Tip: Photoprepagos now has audio for some posts. The tone and word choice will tell you a lot.

SemiPro / NonPro: Pre-pandemic, ColombiaCupido and a few sites like it were really popular. I think they have declined a lot in popularity. Anyone still using that or the sugardaddy sites?

IMHO, the best source for SemiPro / NonPro is offline in the real world. If you don't speak Spanish, check Gringo Tuesdays.

Also good are just trying your game in pretty much any store, shopping center, or restaurant.

Other reccomendations?

*How:

Some are just good at GFE roleplay. But of course it depends on chemistry. And repeat business.

My recco is first meeting for an hour. Tell them you want full GFE, that you want to get to know a little about her.

Have some good topics to discuss. If there is chemistry, propose a TLN with dinner for your next meeting.

If things are going well, I have put the carrot of future meetings / TLN as a possibility after the first 15 minutes to make that session even better.

Nonpro. It's called dating. Lookup dating tips for latinas. Also research a lot about Colombian customs. There are a few good books, specifically CultureSmart Colombia.

Looking forward to your experience and advice.

You should go back and read the forums. Go back at least 100 pages, better yet 200 pages. And then come back with any questions you might have. All the info is here for you as a free gift from the community. Don't be lazy, read the forums. Come back after and I'm sure we'll be happy to answer any remaining questions. Pro tip: Use the search feature. Second pro tip: Learn some spanish. Even if its just the basics.

[QUOTE=MrBaz;2954633]Going to Bogota for a mongering vacation with a cousin, late November.

I am a South East Asia veteran, but a Colombia newbie, so I appreciate help from the experts here.

BTW, I don't speak any Spanish, but I guess I can manage with the translate apps.

First, where to stay questions:

Are most hotels girl friendly?

Do they charge extra if a girl visits?

Is there and advantage in going with AirBNB instead. Isn't less safe to be in AirBNB?

What are Love Motels? Can you stay there or just to meet girls?

Any specific hotel recommendations?

No down to business. Where to find the girls?

Agencies:

I checked out [URL]eroticasbogota.com[/URL] and lacelestina. Co. They both look very promising. Per hour cost is almost the same on average (350 K / Hour on average), but multi hour cost seems to be lower at lacelestina. That said, I looked up other website like pasionprepagos, Mileroticos, and Photoprepagos, and I found many girls with nice photos and the cost is way less than erotica and lacelestina like 150 k / hour. What's the catch? Fake pics? Bite and switch?

Clubs:

I wanted to try a couple of clubs, but not sure how it works.

I don't to go there for FS, so my question is do they offer nude lap dancing? If so, do you pay per songs or time with the girl?

Spas:

Looks like Tantra has the best reviews, but you may wait for long time for a room. Is that right?

Any recommendations for other spas?

Recommendations and advice are highly appreciated!

MrBaz.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2954855]You should go back and read the forums. Go back at least 100 pages, better yet 200 pages. And then come back with any questions you might have. All the info is here for you as a free gift from the community. Don't be lazy, read the forums. Come back after and I'm sure we'll be happy to answer any remaining questions. Pro tip: Use the search feature. Second pro tip: Learn some spanish. Even if its just the basics.[/QUOTE]I actually reviewed 10's of pages (didn't make it to 100's) before posting my questions.

Thank you for your tips!

MrBaz.

Does La 49 ("forinai") still exist? I searched for it on Google Maps and I see a dilapidated place. Did they close with Covid? Or I simply missed to remember the exact address?

Thanks!

P.S.: I always RTFF, but if I search "la 49" it does not find anything, which is obviously wrong, because tons or reports were written at least ages ago.