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[QUOTE=Adictomujeres]Hello,
Sorry, but in Bogota you can nt look places like loutron. This place is the best in Colombia.
I think is posible you go to Mansion (116 street) in the night, or Flickr all day. But NEVER the same quality.
See the others report about bogota.[/QUOTE]Please provide more details about Mansion and Flickr.
Thank you.
Ny first 5 days in Colombia are reported [url=http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=771033&postcount=1541]here.[/url]
My overall summary of visiting 4 cities in 3.5 weeks is reported [url=http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=776766&postcount=1321]here.[/url]
General thoughts on Bogota vs Medellin. Much bigger and harder to get around. People are a little harder to get to know, but once you break the ice I found everyone friendly and charming. The altitude was a problem the first couple of days only. Medellin is much more attractive. I visited central Medellin almost every day, because I liked the crowds and the funky malls and the people were easier to talk to than in Poblado (and I sampled a couple of street girls and visited the strip clubs). But in Bogota, I did not get to Santa Fe red light district at all.
My last 48 hours in Bogota included hardly any sleep, after which I traveled all day back to the United States.
SECOND TO LAST DAY
Arrived back in Bogota from Medellin about noon. Had lunch with a cypercupido woman. Not my type. Lots of dark makeup around her eyes and trashy clothes. She did not fit in with the Zona T trendiness. But we had lunch and a conversation and then I let her go. She told me there was a lot of prostitution in Colombia!
I was staying at the Saint Simon Hotel, which is a good location. Not expensive. Small room. However the rooms facing Calle 84 are noisy from 4 nearby discos until 5am, so if you are a light sleeper I would request a room facing CRA 14 or another direction. I went across the street from my hotel to an open-air market where they were selling clothing. I have been chatting up 4 girls who work there for my entire stay in Colombia. One tall young dark girl, Cindy from the coast, appealed to me a lot. She asked me who the woman was that I had walked by with. I said she was a possible amiga, from the internet, but I didn't like her. I now know that I should have asked Cindy for her cel number on the first meeting. Instead I got it on the last night, when it wasn't of much use to me.
I then had the excellent La Femme massage parlor encounter described in my summary report above, after which I went back to my room and wrote up my thoughts on Colombia that are recorded in that report.
My date for the evening, Non-Pro Girl #1 from my first report, showed up, late, at 9pm. She is 24 and beautiful, claims she is fat, but if so it is very slight. I am old, but fit. We went to dinner at a middle eastern restaurant near P93 (Khaaffi? ), which was delicious. And romantic: we sat alone in the lounge by the fireplace surrounded by oriental cushions etc, instead of at a table in the regular dining area. We returned to my hotel about 1130pm and the desk clerk asked for her ID and filled out a guest form; he said they would put a charge on my bill. We made out in my room, but she fell asleep partway through watching Hidalgo and went home at 1am. No sex. Since she wasn't in my room very long, the desk clerk told me there wouldn't be a charge.
I was in Bogota two times before and both times I went out with Girl 1 and also Girl 2, a 30 year old engineer. Neither had consented to sex after just 2 dates. Girl 2 would have made a good girlfriend, as we had a lot in common and lots to talk about. However, I was just in Colombia to see how I felt about dating latin girls and then decide later what I wanted to do about it. Unless I shed my wife, a real GF would be quite inconvenient. So I decided to pursue Girl 1, the less appropriate, more dependent, younger girl on my 3rd time in Bogota during the trip.
Since I was pretty horny after making out, I went back to the "private club" on 86a at the end of CRA 14 (big blue door, may be locked but there is a bell and usually a tout, no sign or number), reported in my first report. Looking for my GFE encounter there, Juliana. But she wasn't in, so I talked to Vanessa again, a cute girl from Armenia that I talked to the first time and the second time I returned looking for Juliana. There was a drunk guy at the bar who insisted on giving us drinks of Aguardiente, even though I had sworn off the stuff after getting plastered one night. Finally he was right in our faces, saying something crude about Vanessa. The other girls were trying to dance with him, to get him away from us, but he wouldn't move. Finally he started talking about putas in a very derisive way. So I replid, "no es putas, es mujeres" and he said "desculpe" and walked away. My only confrontation in Colombia.
I took Vanessa into one of their rooms, with sofas and a mattress on the floor. Although she was a bit plastered by this time, the sex was very good, with lots of french kissing and BBBJ and daty, after which she just pulled me into her bareback. Perhaps it was my charm, or my sticking up for her at the bar, or her standard procedure. Later I cleaned off thoroughly with Betadine.
I then got a few hours sleep, my last for 2 days.
MY LAST DAY
In the morning I went over to Juan Valdez cafe for a capuccino but didn't find anyone to talk with. I did a little final shopping and called Natalia, the massage girl from the day before and made an appointment to take her to lunch at 1pm. When I got there, she apologized that she had things she had to go do, but she would not feel bad if I had sex with another girl. Would I like her to arrange a conversation with them all. I thought that might be fun, so I sat in their living room while she put on her heavy coat and went out. I then told some of my stories to the girls. They did not seem to have any other customers.
Finally they took me back into a "treatment" room and let me interview each girl individually. I selected Brijite, who was the second girl on the street that intiailly gave me the card for their massage parlour. She was very pretty, blondish, thin. In retrospect, I should have gone with the dark haired, fuller figured woman who sat next to me during the living room chat and did the most talking to me.
Brijite was a good experience, but not gfe. No kissing, no BBBJ. She insisted I take her cell number too.
Since I didn't have lunch with Natalia, I went to the food court at the top of Andino mall. I talked to Jennie and her friend, who sold cheesecake. Jennie had worked in Miami at JC Penny, but was back in Bogota. Tall, dark haired, attractive, just the way I like them. I should have asked for her number, just for practice, but I didn't. Decades of shy behavior are difficult to change in a couple of weeks.
I went over to the market and talked to Cindy and her friends again. I got Cindy's cellphone and followed them across the street to the actual store that they work for, where I watched them finish their day by putting on fresh makeup and getting paid. It looked to me like Cindy got 20k for standing in that market until 8pm, but perhaps there were other payments weekly or monthly. I'm sure that Cindy would have loved to go out with me, but I already had a date.
Another date with Non Pro #1, on time. I took her to Archies Pizza a block from my hotel and ate lightly. Then she gave me 2 CDs she had made, in return for the CDs I had given her. We went back to my room to listen to them. No questions from the desk clerk this time. Her music was good and her DFK was incredible. But when I went to remove her clothes, she said "not until you actually come back to Colombia". But then she took off her coat and proceeded to mount me and dry hump me and feel me up. It was like being in high school again. She left fairly early.
I am now facing my last night in Colombia, alone. I had sex at 2pm in case this happened again, but Girl #1 managed to get me very horny anyway.
So I went back to the private club where I had Vanessa the night before. As soon as I walked in, Juliana, my great GFE from 3 weeks ago, jumps up and runs over for a kiss. I get a long story about how she lost her purse, with her cellphone and her cedula in it, which was why I could never reach her. We talked quite naturally at the bar about my experiences in Colombia and her life for about 40 minutes, then I paid a salida of 90 or 100K and took her back to my hotel.
As we were preparing to leave, another girl comes up to me and says hello, do you remember me from St Maarten? It was Luisa, one of Routard's special amigas. I was surprised she remembered me, but I might have delivered a gift from Routard to her one time. She gave me her cellphone number, even though the head guy kept coming over to the bar and reminding her she was needed. Then she went out on a salida just as we went out of the bar. Small world.
At the hotel, this was now my second girl to my room in one night. The clerk asked for her cedula, but she didn't have it. Instead she offered a police report on stolen purse. The clerk said he wanted to help, but everyone who stays the night has to have documents. Did I really know this woman? The day shift comes on at 530am, if she could leave before then, it would be okay. SO I left a tip for him and the doorman and we went to my room.
I put on some good music and we had great sex for 90 minutes, then she drifted off to sleep. I believe it ws good for both of us. I never fell asleep as I was reviewing my experiences in Colmbia. At 5am we got up and dressed, then headed downstairs. She was ready to go home, but I had to get up again in 90 minutes anyway for my plane, so I said let's take a walk. She agreed eagerly. We wandered through the empty Zona Rosa for 20 minutes. The 4 discos near my hotel were still open and blasting music. We sat on a bench in the park facing Calle 85 and talked until the sky started to brighten. Then we went to the Carulle supermarket and had coffee and talked some more. Since she didn't have a cellphone, she gave me her email address. At 630am I put my "date" into a taxi and walked back to my hotel to finish packing and go to the airport.
I went to Colombia to experience non-pro girls, after many great experiences wth pros. But I was handicaped by my marriage, that didn't yet allow acquiring a true girlfriend, and by my lack of straightforward social aggressiveness. The girls were more aggressive than I was. I did bed one very sexy and passionate woman in Medellin, but then I discovered that I had to fit into her life and schedule. I couldn't stay over at her house because of the teen girls living there. And she had to work a lot. But it did show me that I could woo and seduce attractive women that were much younger. But my final date was with a pro. I remember Ricker saying that it was faster and easier to take a working girl and turn her into a friend, than it was to date a non-pro and turn her into a sex partner.
Zing
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This is my first post in Colombia, apologies in advance if not up to standards here.
Went to Santa Fe last night at 9pm, my first time, spent about 4 hours there. A few observations:
1) I went to Santa Fe alone, but with a trusted taxi driver whom I paid to stay with me while I was there. Over 4 hours, including a generous tip I paid him about 120. 000 COP. Very worthwhile for the sense of security it brought me, it being my first time there. If you are in Bogota alone, like me, I would recommend this route if you want to go.
2) It's hopping a nighttime! I don't know what it would be like during the day but at night it had that seedy, squalid atmosphere that I kind of like, garbage on the streets, suspicious characters idling on the streets, some interacting with police, some casting you askance looks. Stray dogs, streetwalkers, the whole bit.
3) Santa Fe is, compared to any RLD I've ever been, very seedy. If I didn't have someone with me I am sure I would've been pestered a lot on the streets. Even the Colombians are not there alone (a few, but very few). I don't think I'd go again unless I had someone with me for sure. Whereas in the clubs in the Norte (Calle 85 y Cra. 15) it's quite alright to go by yourself.
4) The clubs that seemed to be busy, on a Saturday night, were La Piscina, El Castillo, La Casona and Las Vegas. I went to La Piscina and El Castillo.
5) La Piscina is setup like this. There are two rooms, one with a general bar area and another with an indoor pool. When I walked in there were about half the people in one room and half in the other. About 30 chicas. Only a couple interested me, but since it was the first place we went to and I was more on a recon trip to Santa Fe I didn't do much other than observe how the place worked. The minimum around the pool was 30. 000 COP for a bottle of Corona, plus a service charge. Every now and then (30 minutes, hour) there was a strip show on a bridge over the pool.
6) I thought El Castillo, despite its reputation, had worse looking chicas than La Piscina. The interior is setup as a large room (preceded by a small bar area), in the center of which there is a long catwalk (w/ two stripper poles). There are stairs to a second level which only outlines the room, such that you can see what's going on on the first floor (sorry I don't know how to describe this better.) Again, probably about 30 girls, a few were very young looking. I ran into an American from Miami in the bathroom, he swore it was ultra-safe in Santa Fe and that I didn't need to have my driver with me. Friendly guy. Again, very few foreigners in El Castillo. I didn't like the setup in El Castillo, it took a long time to get a sense of what all the girls looked like, since some were upstairs and it was quite hard to see them from the first floor or from across the room.
I chatted up one of the girls, after she realized I wasn't going to 'hacer amor' with her that night. She told me apparently on a good night they get about 6-7 clients (100. 000 COP for 30 minutes) and normal night is 2-3. Thing is, I didn't actually see a lot of clients 'disappearing' with the chicas. Most of the Colombian customers seemed to chat with the girls a bit, buy them a drink, maybe get their number, and leave.
Around 12:30pm, I left El Castillo in search of Atunes but it was actually closed.
So that was my four hours in Santa Fe. I actually preferred it to the clubs in the North (Juan Pablo and Extasis). Can't explain why.
A few questions for the more senior/experienced members -
1) How does my experience compare to that during the daytime?
2) Where are other places that you go?
3) Do you share my view that it just is a better environment in Santa Fe than Extasis, Juan Pablo's, etc.?
4) In some sense I'd feel more comfortable chatting up the girls and seeing if I couldn't actually call them out some night. Is that better done after an on site session or bringing them back to your digs? As I mentioned, a few of these girls were hot. I could definitely imagine wanting to try them out a few times (and not having to go back to the club to see them).
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Great series of reports Zing. It reminds me my experience one year ago when I discovered Colombia myself for the very first time. I know how you are feeling, an overflow of experiences that need time to be analyzed. I had the same dilemma, which path to follow: keeping my life as it is with my family and escaping from time to time to the artificial pro scene or changing drastically my life, taking back my freedom and diving in the real world of non pro experiences. It took me one year to decide, and I chose the last option. It is a tough decision, as it’s supposed to be a one way road…well I did it smoothly, I separated from my family based on career reason as I took a new job overseas which allows me to keep an open option to return to my previous life.
What scared me so much to do so? Well the very first reason was simply that I believed I couldn’t seduce women anymore after so many years. God what was I wrong! The Colombianas gave me back my confidence and self estime and I am eternally grateful to all the Colombianas for that. I was afraid that my first experience in Colombia that allowed me to date again a normal girl was simply luck, but it was not. It turned out to be far much easier than what I believed at first after my first trip in Colombia. I realized I could do it over and over again as much as I wanted , and I became real good in dating non pros. It is a kind of scheme theorized in “the Game” but that can be simplified in three steps.
The first step is the attraction during the first encounter. I believed at first that it was important to develop a complex strategy, but it is far much easier than anyone can believe. A girl is attracted to a guy or not, it doesn’t matter how she meets her. The only thing I learned to do is to detect whether a girl is attracted to me or not, this is the only skill I have. I am always alert, and as soon as I see a girl watching me, I give her a great smile. At first I made the mistake to try to make eye contact before, but I realized shy girls then usually avoid eye contact while most usually reply by a smile to a great smile. If she doesn’t smile, I leave her alone, she might have her reasons. If not, I approach which girls feel as natural after having smiled to each other. Then the so called opener, the first sentence that scared me so much at first after decades of shyness. I learned that it simply doesn’t matter what is said at that moment. I usually start in n any kind of language, and after switching in a couple of different language, we both have fun about it and start to speak about each other origin. Sometimes I approach by asking if she is the amiga of Carolina or whatever other girl which usually ends up by comparing each other’s network. What I learned is that girls always wait for the very first step but will do all the rest. Unless they already have a novio, girls simply love to meet people and love to talk. At first I was scared about blanks, but it nearly never happened, girls simply love to talk. On the contrary, I usually have to interrupt myself the conversation by faking another appointment. A girl feels frustrated when you interrupt her conversation, that is the best moment to ask for her phone number to continue the conversation. Only one time I have felt some resistance, a girl asking why I wanted her number. I answered simply: “ because I want to call you”, and I received her number. Then I move. The biggest mistake guys usually do is to stay with the girl as long as they can in case it will end up in her bed which usually never happens. The first step shouldn’t be longer than 10 or 20 minutes.
The second step is the comfort phase. Remember, a girl will never call, you have to do it. Don’t worry, she gave her number, so she is expecting you to call within the next couple of days. Just call her and invite her somewhere. If I feel confident enough, I invite her for the evening somewhere, as it might end up in her bed, but I learned to do it much more elegant and invite her to do something during the daytime, having lunch, going to the beach, a park or helping me for shopping or whatever. A girl will feel much more confident to accept to go out with someone she hardly knows during daytime. I learned also that usually when I try to invite a girl for the first time by night, she will try not to come alone and bring some amiga, so daytime is a much better option. This is the phase that you need to build up confidence and learn to know each other. Avoid physical contact, and keep it to the conversation only. The second step lasts usually a couple of hours.
The third step is seduction. After the comfort zone, she feels confident, you can call her back to ask her to go out by night, a bar a disco, a restaurant, whatever and only the two of you. The girl considers this as a date and is now mentally prepared to have sex. It also allows her to prepare the logistics it involves, bringing you to her place or staying the night in your place. A couple of times, I had that the second step in the afternoon ended up the same day in the third step as we simply stayed together. Anyway, during the third step, physical contact starts. Try to touch her briefly, holding her hand, touching her arm during the conversation and check her reaction. If she shows to sign of defending her intimacy, you can move on till you kiss her. Once you have kissed her, it’s your date. Sex is just a matter of time, if it doesn’t come as fast as expected, I sometimes talk about it as mostly it’s a matter of logistics that need to be solved. Remember, most girls have kids waiting at home.
And now the best part of it: it doesn’t work only with Colombianas! This is my latest discovery, I just have had my first date with a girl from Texas. A couple of times when I approached girls that answered me in English, I simply moved away. I then noticed that the girls just stared at me to try to understand what went wrong. I was unfair to them, I dumped them from the very first second I learned they were no Latinas, not even giving them the chance to learn to know each other. I gave it a chance, and in fact it works exactly the same. The only difference is that I was in my comfort zone with Colombianas. Colombianas will never be rude even if they are not interested in a relation.
Colombianas gave me back my confidence with women, and once this confidence is back, you are in a circle of success. In fact I learned that there are far more lonely women than I believed and lonely women are always open to try a relationship. Lonely women are desperate to find men as 90% of men simply dare not to approach women.
Once you are part of the 10%, you discover a world you couldn’t even dream of. I learned new codes, building up friends networks, have a rich social life, using Facebook… Facebook is an amazing tool, the next morning you receive the pictures from your adventures of the previous night at the nightclub, or girls find you back again through Facebook if you have forgotten to ask for her number. Most nightclubs and bars are now on Facebook, which allows to find back easily someone you have met there. After years of double life behind my Routard pseudo on ISG, I had to learn to lose anonymity while hunting. Another main issue I was not prepared to is to stop each times relationships before it becomes too strong and move to the next one. This is simply the most difficult part of dating, as the last thing I'm looking for is again a long term relationship and loosing again my freedom. I said one time on ISG when I was a monger, that I paid not for the sex, but for her to leave the next day. Nothing is more true than that, I still have not learned how to stop a relationship without hurting the girl. This is the most difficult part in dating girls.
The good parts? Meeting real interesting people, the power of giving happiness to women, genuine emotions, passionate sex, incredible wet pussies, amazing quick and multiple female orgasms...
I am not a monger anymore, that’s why I have stopped writing on ISG. I sometimes read the forum, for example to follow the adventures of my friend Zing. After your experience in Colombia, what will be the path you will follow, my friend? I have not mentioned one important thing, there is another issue with the new life I have chosen. When I left my family, I realized how much I loved them, and they realized how much they loved me. Once free at last in my bachelor apartment, ready to fuck as many girls as possible, I cried for the very first time of my adult life.
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Routard,
This is simply one of the beste pieces I've read on the ISG. Thanks, and congrats! I've always thought of mongering as a temporary phase people go through. Not bad or anything, but something that can and must be evolved into something nourishing for your life. This is indeed a life lesson.
[QUOTE=Routard]Great series of reports Zing. It reminds me my experience one year ago when I discovered Colombia myself for the very first time. I know how you are feeling, an overflow of experiences that need time to be analyzed. I had the same dilemma, which path to follow: keeping my life as it is with my family and escaping from time to time to the artificial pro scene or changing drastically my life, taking back my freedom and diving in the real world of non pro experiences. It took me one year to decide, and I chose the last option. It is a tough decision, as it’s supposed to be a one way road…well I did it smoothly, I separated from my family based on career reason as I took a new job overseas which allows me to keep an open option to return to my previous life.
What scared me so much to do so? Well the very first reason was simply that I believed I couldn’t seduce women anymore after so many years. God what was I wrong! The Colombianas gave me back my confidence and self estime and I am eternally grateful to all the Colombianas for that. I was afraid that my first experience in Colombia that allowed me to date again a normal girl was simply luck, but it was not. It turned out to be far much easier than what I believed at first after my first trip in Colombia. I realized I could do it over and over again as much as I wanted , and I became real good in dating non pros. It is a kind of scheme theorized in “the Game” but that can be simplified in three steps.
The first step is the attraction during the first encounter. I believed at first that it was important to develop a complex strategy, but it is far much easier than anyone can believe. A girl is attracted to a guy or not, it doesn’t matter how she meets her. The only thing I learned to do is to detect whether a girl is attracted to me or not, this is the only skill I have. I am always alert, and as soon as I see a girl watching me, I give her a great smile. At first I made the mistake to try to make eye contact before, but I realized shy girls then usually avoid eye contact while most usually reply by a smile to a great smile. If she doesn’t smile, I leave her alone, she might have her reasons. If not, I approach which girls feel as natural after having smiled to each other. Then the first sentence that scared me so much at first after decades of shyness. I learned that it simply doesn’t matter what is said at that moment. I usually start in n any kind of language, and after switching in a couple of different language, we both have fun about it and start to speak about each other origin. Sometimes I approach by asking if she is the amiga of Carolina or whatever other girl which usually ends up by comparing each other’s network. What I learned is that girls always wait for the very first step but will do all the rest. Unless they already have a novio, girls simply love to meet people and love to talk. At first I was scared about blanks, but it nearly never happened, girls simply love to talk. On the contrary, I usually have to interrupt myself the conversation by faking another appointment. A girl feels frustrated when you interrupt her conversation, that is the best moment to ask for her phone number to continue the conversation. Only one time I have felt some resistance, a girl asking why I wanted her number. I answered simply: “ because I want to call you”, and I received her number. Then I move. The biggest mistake guys usually do is to stay with the girl as long as they can in case it will end up in her bed which usually never happens. The first step shouldn’t be longer than 10 or 20 minutes.
The second step is the comfort phase. Remember, a girl will never call, you have to do it. Don’t worry, she gave her number, so she is expecting you to call within the next couple of days. Just call her and invite her somewhere. If I feel confident enough, I invite her for the evening somewhere, as it might end up in her bed, but I learned to do it much more elegant and invite her to do something during the daytime, having lunch, going to the beach, a park or helping me for shopping or whatever. A girl will feel much more confident to accept to go out with someone she hardly knows during daytime. I learned also that usually when I try to invite a girl for the first time by night, she will try not to come alone and bring some amiga, so daytime is a much better option. This is the phase that you need to build up confidence and learn to know each other. Avoid physical contact, and keep it to the conversation only. The second step lasts usually a couple of hours.
The third step is seduction. After the comfort zone, she feels confident, you can call her back to ask her to go out by night, a bar a disco, a restaurant, whatever and only the two of you. The girl considers this as a date and is now mentally prepared to have sex. It also allows her to prepare the logistics it involves, bringing you to her place or staying the night in your place. A couple of times, I had that the second step in the afternoon ended up the same day in the third step as we simply stayed together. Anyway, during the third step, physical contact starts. Try to touch her briefly, holding her hand, touching her arm during the conversation and check her reaction. If she shows to sign of defending her intimacy, you can move on till you kiss her. Once you have kissed her, it’s your date. Sex is just a matter of time, if it doesn’t come as fast as expected, I sometimes talk about it as mostly it’s a matter of logistics that need to be solved. Remember, most girls have kids waiting at home.
And now the best part of it: it doesn’t work only with Colombianas! This is my latest discovery, I just have had my first date in English. A couple of times when I approached girls that answered me in English, I simply moved away. I then noticed that the girls just stared at me to try to understand what went wrong. I was unfair to them, I dumped them from the very first second I learned they were no Latinas, not even giving them the chance to learn to know each other. I gave it a chance, and in fact it works exactly the same. The only difference is that I was in my comfort zone with Colombianas. Colombianas will never be rude even if they are not interested in a relation.
Colombianas gave me back my confidence with women, and once this confidence is back, you are in a circle of success. In fact I learned that there are far more lonely women than I believed and lonely women are always open to try a relationship. But I belonged to the 90% of men that simply dared not to approach women. Once you are part of the 10%, you discover a world you couldn’t even dream of. I learned new codes, building up friends networks, have a rich social life, using Facebook… Facebook is an amazing tool, the next morning you receive the pictures from your adventures of the previous night at the nightclub, or girls find you back again through Facebook if you have forgotten to ask for her number. Most nightclubs and bars are now on Facebook, which allows to find back easily someone you have met there. After years of double life behind my Routard pseudo on ISG, I had to learn to lose anonymity while hunting. Another main issue I was not prepared to is to stop each times relationships before it becomes too strong and move to the next one. This is simply the most difficult part of dating. I said one time on ISG when I was a monger, that I paid not for the sex, but for her to leave the next day. Nothing is more true than that, I still have not learned how to stop a relationship without hurting the girl. This is the most difficult part in dating girls.
I am not a monger anymore, that’s why I have stopped writing on ISG. I sometimes read the forum, for example to follow the adventures of my friend Zing. After your experience in Colombia, what will be the path you will follow, my friend? I have not mentioned one important thing, there is another issue with the new life I have chosen. When I left my family, I realized how much I loved them, and they realized how much they loved me. Once free at last in my bachelor apartment, ready to fuck as many girls as possible, I cried for the very first time of my adult life.
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Good luck brother.
Stayed in Bogota a few times. These two places I strongly recommend. Chica friendly and you couldn't beat the location.
1. If you want to stay somewhere close to Santa Fe I always stay at Hotel Centro Internacional. Located right on the corner of Transmilenio Parada Ave. 39 which is only 3 exits north of Santa Fe. Plus it's close to Javeriana Univ. which is has a ton of pre-pagos. There is a small charge for chicas but very friendly. Sain is the day manager and knows exactly where to go.
[url]http://www.hotelcentrointernacional.com/[/url]
2. If you want to stay in the north, I've stayed at this apartment which rents rooms in Santa Barbara. Very private with relaxed management. No extra charge for chicas. Walking distance to La Mansion and right across the street from Bogota Beer Company. Close to Transmilenio and one exit away from One Relax (Prado exit, next to Cali Mio). Apartment address : 19A 122-33. Talk to Fred or Chris.
[url]http://www.travel-library.com/b&b/south_america/colombia/bogota/santa_barbara_guest_rooms_bogota.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Routard]Great series of reports Zing. It reminds me my experience one year ago when I discovered Colombia myself for the very first time. I know how you are feeling, an overflow of experiences that need time to be analyzed. ...
Another main issue I was not prepared to is to stop each times relationships before it becomes too strong and move to the next one. This is simply the most difficult part of dating, as the last thing I'm looking for is again a long term relationship and loosing again my freedom. ... I still have not learned how to stop a relationship without hurting the girl. This is the most difficult part in dating girls.[/QUOTE]Wow. Incredible reply to my adventures in Colombia.
I too find that stopping relationships is very difficult. I don't like to disappoint people and I found that I could raise incredible expectations in these Colombianas. [In fact, this is probably how I got married 2 times before, by not wanting to disappoint. And it is also why pros are so comfortable.]
I know it would be better to clearly explain why it cannot go any further or any longer, but so far I can never find the words. So I often end up just disappearing. Not a good strategy if I decide to date seriously and develop a circle of new friends and will soon develop a reputation!
Zing
Tried this agency last week with the business going down in motel Royal Garden in chapinero.
Diana was priced at the lower end of the market $150,000 for an hour and you cant make out the faces on the web site(for good reason). She was friendly enough and after waiting 45 minutes for her to arrive (the agency will call your motel, apartment or hotel before sending the girl) I was ready to fuck anything. And she was called anything for sure, not that pretty and not worth 150,000. I suppose the more expensive girls are better looking but 250,000 or more is too much for 30 min chat and the same again of sex.
The motel is okay 35,000 and 2,500 a beer. Sex was functional cant say more than that.
Better off however looking in the clubs where you can have a look before emptying the contents of your wallet. The agencys are not like they are in London and from what has been said on the forum most of the others are bait and switch jobs.
[QUOTE=Zing23]Wow. Incredible reply to my adventures in Colombia.
I too find that stopping relationships is very difficult. I don't like to disappoint people and I found that I could raise incredible expectations in these Colombianas. [In fact, this is probably how I got married 2 times before, by not wanting to disappoint. And it is also why pros are so comfortable.]
I know it would be better to clearly explain why it cannot go any further or any longer, but so far I can never find the words. So I often end up just disappearing. Not a good strategy if I decide to date seriously and develop a circle of new friends and will soon develop a reputation!
Zing[/QUOTE]Zing,
I just returned a Paisa to Colombia last month after bringing her here on a K1 fiancee visa. I do love her and almost got married (again) because I did not want to disappoint. It is so easy to be enticed and to get involved with the regular chicas but in my future travels I will try much harder to stick with the working girls because I do not like to see sweet, honest women getting hurt badly.
To be honest I feel that the "thrill" to me is in the chase. I have spent time in Medellin, Cali, Bogota, CTG & BAQ and no matter where I travel in COL. there is always an abbundance of cute regular chicas. I have always liked to hit the casas during the day and to go out with a sweet non pro at night.
I still want to have fun but I would like to do it in a way that minimizes emotional hurt of both the chicas and myself.
Rainman3
We men feel always guilty towards women that has offered us sex, if we haven't paid, we feel as if we have a debt. Don't worry, we all have that same weakness.
Leaving without explaination is a strategy that works in countries where you will never come back again. Once you live or come back on a regular basis in your hunting country, you can't ruin your reputation. I realize I am relying more and more on my build up network than trying to approach complete strange girls.
At first I lied about my family, as I tried to give myself as much chances of success as possible for dating. I soon realized it was stupid, as it's highly unlikely that men of my age are still single for so many years. Also lies always end up to put yourself in an uncomfortable situation.
I am now very open within my network and with the girls I date about my family. I claim to be separated but still responsible of my family especially my kids. I have not noticed I was less succesfull in dating compared to when I lied and claimed to be single. I even realized it is highly valued among Latinas to care for your family even if you are separeted, especially your kids. Most of Latinas have already their own kids and suffer from men that have left them alone. It allows me to put some limits and to explain why I am not looking for a long term relationship. I don't say it is easy to stop a relationship even if my date was aware from the beginning about my intentions. Latinas can love so strong, it is sometimes scarry. But I have till now never experienced a Latina that tried to screw me after having been dumped. They know I was fair with them from the beginning and that I gave them hapiness for the time we where together. It's a matter of mutual respect.
Zing, you are again back at home now in your house and with your family after having experienced 3 weeks of freedom. You have experienced dating but with time constraint and moral dilemma as you are married. Imagine what could be your life if you decided to break the chains and move to Colombia...
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[QUOTE=Routard]The first step is the attraction during the first encounter. I believed at first that it was important to develop a complex strategy, but it is far much easier than anyone can believe. A girl is attracted to a guy or not, it doesn’t matter how she meets her. The only thing I learned to do is to detect whether a girl is attracted to me or not, this is the only skill I have. I am always alert, and as soon as I see a girl watching me, I give her a great smile. At first I made the mistake to try to make eye contact before, but I realized shy girls then usually avoid eye contact while most usually reply by a smile to a great smile. If she doesn’t smile, I leave her alone, she might have her reasons. If not, I approach which girls feel as natural after having smiled to each other. Then the so called opener, the first sentence that scared me so much at first after decades of shyness. I learned that it simply doesn’t matter what is said at that moment. I usually start in n any kind of language, and after switching in a couple of different language, we both have fun about it and start to speak about each other origin. Sometimes I approach by asking if she is the amiga of Carolina or whatever other girl which usually ends up by comparing each other’s network. What I learned is that girls always wait for the very first step but will do all the rest. Unless they already have a novio, girls simply love to meet people and love to talk. At first I was scared about blanks, but it nearly never happened, girls simply love to talk. On the contrary, I usually have to interrupt myself the conversation by faking another appointment. A girl feels frustrated when you interrupt her conversation, that is the best moment to ask for her phone number to continue the conversation. Only one time I have felt some resistance, a girl asking why I wanted her number. I answered simply: “ because I want to call you”, and I received her number. Then I move. The biggest mistake guys usually do is to stay with the girl as long as they can in case it will end up in her bed which usually never happens. The first step shouldn’t be longer than 10 or 20 minutes.[/QUOTE]I read the recent posts on this forum, and I have read a lot of the archives.
This single paragraph from Routard is the most intelligent, most insightful, most important paragraph I have ever seen here.
Routard is not arrogant. Routard is accurate.
Colombia is the easiest place in the world to meet and date beautiful women. The only thing you have to fear is fear itself.
I met this hotty a few years ago in Bogota and have had a few repeat visits, but lost touch with her a year ago. She's a graduate now of the national university, intelligent, fun, and amazing in 'la cama'. A girlfriend experience if ever there was one. If any of you have come across her I would appreciate a renewed contact. She was going under the name Alexa two years ago.
Thanks!
After seeing some of the reports here lately on Atunes etc I popped in on Tuesday to have a look. My first impressions were that is was bigger than I expected and I was surprised to see so many men and women. At first I thought I was in a regular club, but a quick glance at the women 'hovvering around' confirmed that they were not in fact regular girls. I was a bit disapointed at the girls, many were black and while I'm no stranger to a pretty black chick now and again, I like to see a variety especially morenas or triguenas from Cali, Pereira or Medellin. The music was loud and electronic and maybe its a good place to visit in a group at weekends but it wasnt for me going solo. Popped into La Piscina but was dead due to the festivo (holiday weekend) there were next to no chicks of much value. After my second beer in La Piscina I went across the road to the casas and tried looking again for BBBJ (my attempts before I entered La Piscina fell through) Eventually I found a busty blonde who initially said no but then agreed to 20,000 extra. So 52,000 all in including the room for 20 min. Pretty good oral and sex but no GFE and much faking noises and antics.
My main reason for the report is to share some more information about the club Zing went to and another sister club. The club with ther blue(or black) door on calle 86A carrera 14 is not so obvious. I drove past twice but was sitting across from the 3 clubs (Extasis etc) looking to find it. Fortunately the tout or portero asked me what I was looking for and I went up. Unfortunately I was too early at 6.30pm and nobody was there however I was impressed by the quality of the place, real small, modern and stylish (for a prostibulo!!!) and probably more discrete than other places. The drinks however are not cheap 30,000 for a small can of beer - club colombia etc 120,000 half bottle of rum 240,000 full bottle and the whisky is more expensive. Thats 120 dollars! Anyway as it was early the tout took me up to another place called The High Class Inn which is on Carrera 15 Calle 88 2 block away more or less. Impressive place, same prices as before and the first bunch of chicas there were not too impressive. Some okay but some others arrived later after 7pm and also at 8pm. By this time I was already talking to one chica who I did like but didnt take up any offer except her cell number for call her next week. The bar fine is 93,000 or the same again on site they have 4 rooms, also private rooms to talk and drink with girl(s) if you dont want to be in public. The bar manager who is a mid fortys women speaks English and there are a couple of bilingual girls there for gringos who dont speak a word of spanish. But take my advice learn some you will have a better and easier time. Apart from the drinks prices the prices for chicas seem reasonable for the north and for 1 hour. If you go out I think the time restrictions are less and its up to you to negotiate.
Overall quite impressed with these places as they are quite safe and luxurios, also you can clearly see the girls in their tru colour without neon lights or darkness hiding flaws. Beer goggles are the ony visual obstruction.
Would recommend these places to newbies in Bogota.
Hi,
What is a Triguenas?
Thanks,
Mel