Manila

[QUOTE=Wazoo;2031010]I haven't met many women like this one. She's a smart Univ of Philippines graduate, sings and writes music, is open-minded and curious, and is into adventure sports like climbing and kayaking. On top of that she's incredibly cute and sweet as candy. I hit the jackpot here. The only mystery is why on earth she wants to hang out with the likes of me. (One obvious answer of course is that I'm paying for a week of vacation. But I prefer to think it's my charm and handsome face). We have a long list of sites and adventures to experience while traveling. The sites are new to both of us. I think we can keep things at a pace to keep the boredom at bay. Of course, things in person can be very different than conversations online. If there's no chemistry, it could be a very, very long week.

One big risk I'm taking is that we have never talked about sex directly. This is an educated, middle-class young woman who has never met a stranger from a dating site, much less gone off with one for a week. She tells me that she's "both very nervous and very excited. " My intuition is that I could ruin things by making explicit what she wants left unsaid. We picked out the hotel rooms together and she's seen that all of them are queen beds. She's also said that she feels so indebted and "feels bad that she can't do anything to pay me back. " I'm being the gentleman here. I like this girl a lot, possibly even for long-term. She is worth slow romancing. I'm willing to take the risk. If nothing else, I'll have some charming company while I explore some beautiful places. If I come back with blue balls, I'll admit I made a rookie mistake and you all can say I told you so.[/QUOTE]FWIW, I'm just back from a Makati trip. Did 7 girls in 8 days and one stayed for two days. We found we had a lot of compatibility in jokes, in clothing, in things we had learnt, and later in the bedroom too. At some stage we got to talking about things (we had been chatting on and off for past 10 weeks too) and she stated I was the second foreigner she had met.

First one had taken her to dinner and during dinner had asked her back to his room, and become rude when she said she didn't want to.

She said she met me because in the 10 week we were chatting I hadn't mentioned sex once. She seemed to like that.

She the also liked that I had held her hand immediately we met, and that at no time did I say anything about my apartment. We met, ate together, laughed together and drank together and at end of night we went to my apartment and shagged the night away. Seemed nice and natural. She later said she had planned to spend night with me and I pretended to be suprised. I wasnt as I know if I can hold hands with a girl on meeting, all will be well. 100% success rate with that technique.

Sometimes the "gentleman no pressure approach" works really well but the bastos boys (the ones who send pics of their junk etc) never get close to these real girls. Hope yours works out. I think tho you will have lots of bed time.

Hey all,

Thanks for the great info. I have tried to RTFF for this, but either I missed it, or I am not great at getting the search function to show the right posts.

Here it goes -.

I have a red eye landing in Manila around 3:30 - 4:00 AM. Is my best course of action just to hang out in the airport til sunrise and catch a taxi to my hotel for the next day and drop off my bags? Or is there a better option, I hope?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=TJ222;2032906]I have a red eye landing in Manila around 3:30 - 4:00 AM. Is my best course of action just to hang out in the airport til sunrise and catch a taxi to my hotel for the next day and drop off my bags? Or is there a better option, I hope?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Find a cheap hotel / hostel in the area of your regular hotel. Taxi there (much less traffic at 4 am) and crash, sleep till 10 am and then taxi to your regular hotel. I assume that you can't get into your regular hotel / condo till the afternoon, waiting in the airport till sunrise won't help?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2032918]Find a cheap hotel / hostel in the area of your regular hotel. Taxi there (much less traffic at 4 am) and crash, sleep till 10 am and then taxi to your regular hotel. I assume that you can't get into your regular hotel / condo till the afternoon, waiting in the airport till sunrise won't help?[/QUOTE]Thanks, yeah I guess that's the best bet.

You could call and ask if an early check in is okay. This occasionally works. If they have a vacant room it would seem like a win win situation. You get some sleep, and they have one less person checking in during the peak period.

A bit off topic, but the America Hotel in Angeles City offers a guarantee 24 hour stay. The time you arrive is the starting point. It's an interesting concept.

[QUOTE=TJ222;2032906]Hey all,

Thanks for the great info. I have tried to RTFF for this, but either I missed it, or I am not great at getting the search function to show the right posts.

Here it goes -.

I have a red eye landing in Manila around 3:30 - 4:00 AM. Is my best course of action just to hang out in the airport til sunrise and catch a taxi to my hotel for the next day and drop off my bags? Or is there a better option, I hope?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TJ222;2032922]Thanks, yeah I guess that's the best bet.[/QUOTE]Provided the cheap hotel or hostel is cheaper than your hotel.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;2032798]She the also liked that I had held her hand immediately we met, and that at no time did I say anything about my apartment. We met, ate together, laughed together and drank together and at end of night we went to my apartment and shagged the night away. Seemed nice and natural. She later said she had planned to spend night with me and I pretended to be suprised. I wasnt as I know if I can hold hands with a girl on meeting, all will be well. 100% success rate with that technique.[/QUOTE]Probably belongs in a different thread, but since FF started it here:

I have found that even p4ps appreciate holding hands, especially on first meeting. Clearly there's an unknown factor for them: despite their profession they can never be too sure what sort of guy will show up after the hotel room door is closed. Holding hands seems to give a signal that you'll be gentle.

It's also possible to check out their comfort with you early on by touching their hands and wrists. It can start with a casual touch or brief caress of her wrist. Then repeat it a few times, each time increasing the duration of touching. At some point you begin to caress for a minute or more, even extending the caress a little further up the forearm. Then deliberately withdraw your hand a short distance. If she liked the caressing--and thus you--she will often reach to make contact with your hand again. If she is turned off by the caressing and you, she may withdraw from your caressing and definitely not seek to return the favor. In which case you find somebody else.

A very innocent but intimate foray that signals you're interested and will likely be gentle. And yet I see guys openly groping women's crotches and breasts within eyeshot of everybody in the bar. This too is a clear signal of what's expected and what's likely to happen in the hotel room. One of the more vulgar events I recall was in the bar at the Southern Cross. One of the drink waitresses came out from behind the bar, and an older Aussie gent reached out, grabbed the waistband of her jeans and panties, and yanked them both down to her thighs, leaving both her ass and natural dark rug fully exposed. She didn't hit him, but her reaction said she was embarrassed and angry. I don't think this was merely from too much drink. Perhaps just a sense of privilege, since he'd been hanging out in the bar several nights with the Aussie manager/owner(?).

It seems to me that, even for poor women in a developing country like the Philippines, having sex with somebody you just met, whether for money or other reasons, there's so much more upside to treating them gently and with respect. If you treat them like a piece of meat, that's just what you'll get: an experience one notch above masturbating. On the other hand, as many of us have experienced, many of these Filipinas, even after knowing you for an hour or less, will give you a wonderfully intimate GF experience. Why wouldn't we want to do what we can to make her comfortable so she'll want to have such an experience also?

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;2032798] of compatibility in jokes, in clothing, in things we had learnt, and later in the bedroom too. She said she met me because in the 10 week we were chatting I hadn't mentioned sex once. She seemed to like that..[/QUOTE]Is this the same FF I know, you don't discuss shagging? With girls? And you like girls clothes? Or you mean you like the clothes they wear the schoolie etc? Thought for a minute my old friend had somehow changed LOL.

Good to see you were back will PM you.

[QUOTE=TJ222;2032906]Hey all,

Thanks for the great info. I have tried to RTFF for this, but either I missed it, or I am not great at getting the search function to show the right posts.

Here it goes -.

I have a red eye landing in Manila around 3:30 - 4:00 AM. Is my best course of action just to hang out in the airport til sunrise and catch a taxi to my hotel for the next day and drop off my bags? Or is there a better option, I hope?

Thanks![/QUOTE]I think this might be a good option for you. Go to a short time hotel chain like Hotel Sogo and rent the room for twelve hours since your room probably won't be ready until the afternoon. After a long flight, you can relax and wake up when you want instead of a regular hotel where you would have to check out by 11 am or noon. If you are close to LA Cafe, you can even wake up around noon and bring a freelancer back before you check out.

[URL]http://www.hotelsogo.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=TJ222;2032906]Hey all,

Thanks for the great info. I have tried to RTFF for this, but either I missed it, or I am not great at getting the search function to show the right posts.

Here it goes -.

I have a red eye landing in Manila around 3:30 - 4:00 AM. Is my best course of action just to hang out in the airport til sunrise and catch a taxi to my hotel for the next day and drop off my bags? Or is there a better option, I hope?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Maybe you could rent your hotel for the day before you arrive and tell them you will arrive late?

[QUOTE=Canyon;2032777]The last time I was in Manila I stayed in Makati, since I wanted an upscale environment. The environment was fine, but the selection of girls was not very good and I didn't like the Burgos Street bars. Is there a better place in Manila where I can go and meet more upscale girls that are beautiful and more plentiful than in Makati? Thank you for any help you can give me.[/QUOTE]You are going to have to explain more about what you man by upscale? Are you looking for better dressed but still P4 P talent? Or more classy and educated filipina?

For the former you are just going ot have to spend more, hang out at Shangrila, Peninsular and spend more money making more friends like that. In my experience the dress of the girl has no correlation to performance.

For the more educated girls you will have to put in more time on dating sites and hanging out in Starbucks, attending local business events and functions. These girls are not desperate to meet foreigners and often see their future with their upper class pinoy.

There are other recent posts about how 95% of the filipina population is not looking to be shagged by visiting foreigners.

I'm thinking it takes a portfolio approach. Spend some of your effort on developing the upmarket, upscale contacts while also tolerating what can be achieved in a short visit.

If you are a regular visitor, then there are other strategies.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2033159]You are going to have to explain more about what you man by upscale? Are you looking for better dressed but still P4 P talent? Or more classy and educated filipina?

For the former you are just going ot have to spend more, hang out at Shangrila, Peninsular and spend more money making more friends like that. In my experience the dress of the girl has no correlation to performance.

For the more educated girls you will have to put in more time on dating sites and hanging out in Starbucks, attending local business events and functions. These girls are not desperate to meet foreigners and often see their future with their upper class pinoy.

There are other recent posts about how 95% of the filipina population is not looking to be shagged by visiting foreigners.

I'm thinking it takes a portfolio approach. Spend some of your effort on developing the upmarket, upscale contacts while also tolerating what can be achieved in a short visit.

If you are a regular visitor, then there are other strategies.

BD.[/QUOTE]Good, viable suggestions BD, but the "effort" you suggest will not pay off often I think for the short-time, gram 'them and shag 'them traveler. Educated Filipinas, from solid families aren't really all that anxious to jump into bed with white guys old enough to be their fathers or, in some cases grandfathers, and they have no financial imperative to do so. Putting out an ad on FaceBook or one of the other social media, being clear about your target population might work for slightly more down market Filipinas who are still a cut above bar girls, but likely not for most others. Such ads might yield a call center agent or two, or a sales clerk, but I think that's about all. Most folks who come here as tourists have neither the time and probably not the inclination, to identify and meet professional (not sex professional) women, and many truly upper crust families might not welcome foreign boyfriends.

GE.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2033056]Is this the same FF I know, you don't discuss shagging? With girls? And you like girls clothes? Or you mean you like the clothes they wear the schoolie etc? Thought for a minute my old friend had somehow changed LOL.

Good to see you were back will PM you.[/QUOTE]Hi Sir are. This is definately the same but these days I put my trip reports on one of the other more Philippines focused boards. It read 7 ladies in 8 days with a skinny 21 year old 40 kg lady getting two nights and the above mentioned " no sex chat " lady getting two nights as well. So I was happily busy in the meantime.

No need for the school uniforms in Manila as I have found a filipina slave in China who happily takes a 2 hour train ride to my place, gets dressed in anything that I tell her too, gives wonderful blow and rims, looks like the innocent English language teacher that she is, but turns into a porn star when I tell her too. . I definately haven't changed and if anything I have probably got way worse. Theres an army of filipinas who are suddenly into whips, ball gags and vibrating eggs since they saw 50 shades and its sequel. One filipina I know in HK asked me to buy her a NEW butt plug for her to use when we next meet. Seems she didn't want to use the one I had suspecting prior useage I think. Thanks Mr Grey!

I'm still going strong Sir Rog! Just find that the gentlemanly approach also reaps rich rewards too.

[QUOTE=Canyon;2032777]The last time I was in Manila I stayed in Makati, since I wanted an upscale environment. The environment was fine, but the selection of girls was not very good and I didn't like the Burgos Street bars. Is there a better place in Manila where I can go and meet more upscale girls that are beautiful and more plentiful than in Makati? Thank you for any help you can give me.[/QUOTE]Look at [URL]seekingarrangement.com[/URL], you may find what you are looking for there. It is free to join and search, but you need to pay $80/ month to contact girls. Some girls quote NYC prices, some just want an online relationship, some want a serious relationship, but there are plenty of college educated woman that are proficient in English, and you can search for taller Pinays as well. A lot want a discrete arrangement.

If you got money to spend, they will be thrilled to relieve you of it.

[QUOTE=Horntoad;2033132]I think this might be a good option for you. Go to a short time hotel chain like Hotel Sogo and rent the room for twelve hours since your room probably won't be ready until the afternoon. After a long flight, you can relax and wake up when you want instead of a regular hotel where you would have to check out by 11 am or noon. If you are close to LA Cafe, you can even wake up around noon and bring a freelancer back before you check out.

[URL]http://www.hotelsogo.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]Great info, thank you.