Jakarta

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2606472]I was hoping they can waive the quarantine requirement for those who are fully vaxxed.[/QUOTE]Haven't you heard? The current narrative is that even fully vaxxed people can still get covid, transmit covid, and die of covid. But they still need to get a booster shot every 6 months or so.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2606787]Haven't you heard? The current narrative is that even fully vaxxed people can still get covid, transmit covid, and die of covid. But they still need to get a booster shot every 6 months or so.[/QUOTE]I thought every subforum has its own stupid shit in. Thread. This definitely deserves to be on the front page of any tabloid newspaper. Haven't read something stupid like this in a long time. You ignore that it is unlikely to die hospitalize or transmit bc the viral load is weaker if you have a decent vaccine and are infected. Even if you need to refresh the vaccine every 6 months it makes economical sense to just get cause its free and the piece of mind when going abroad alone is just worth IMO.

[QUOTE=Bienenstich;2607815]I thought every subforum has its own stupid shit in. Thread. This definitely deserves to be on the front page of any tabloid newspaper. Haven't read something stupid like this in a long time. You ignore that it is unlikely to die hospitalize or transmit bc the viral load is weaker if you have a decent vaccine and are infected. Even if you need to refresh the vaccine every 6 months it makes economical sense to just get cause its free and the piece of mind when going abroad alone is just worth IMO.[/QUOTE]First of all, most tabloid newspapers are more accurate than CNN these days. But my intention was simply to point out the current narrative. Which I did accurately. It's naive to think getting the vaccine will do anything to help you avoid being quarantined. Whether the vaccine is actually a benefit to your health or not relative to the risks of getting a vaccine that has not been fully tested is a different topic.

The current reality is that even if you get sick or just test positive for covid, then recover from covid so that you have natural immunity, the narrative is that they still want you to get the vaccine. So whether you already have a strong immunity from recovering from covid or have whether you have not had covid yet, since you are a "good citizen" you may go ahead and get vaccinated (twice in some cases if it's an mRNA vaccine) to follow the advice of the narrative. You may even get a booster shot at some designated time period (seemingly that will be an unending recurrence of boosters for the rest of your life) to further strengthen the powers of your protection from covid. Even with all of that, upon arrival in Indonesia, you still have to go into quarantine for 8 days fully funded by yourself and you still need to provide negative covid tests paid for by yourself.

The bottom line is you have to quarantine 8 days in Indonesia. Even if you follow all of the current narrative's guidelines, get vaccinated, get the booster shots as suggested, and you have either never even been sick or if you have been sick in the past and recovered to have natural immunity, you still have to be "quarantined". I would think both the tabloids and CNN might even agree that is the case.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2608252]The bottom line is you have to quarantine 8 days in Indonesia. Even if you follow all of the current narrative's guidelines, get vaccinated, get the booster shots as suggested, and you have either never even been sick or if you have been sick in the past and recovered to have natural immunity, you still have to be "quarantined". I would think both the tabloids and CNN might even agree that is the case..[/QUOTE]Quarantine is the requirement for entry now, but at some point in the future, most likely when 75% to 80% of the local population has been vaccinated this will end and all foreigners will need to enter is a negative PCR test and / or proof of vaccination.

I would love to go back to Jakarta, but not until 1. The quarantine is lifted and 2. I hear that my favorite bordellos or quality new ones are back up and running. It is a good thing there are alternative open, no quarantine, countries to visit and hook up with smoking' hot girls or I would be very depressed. Here is to a spring 2022 open city Jakarta. I hope it happens.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2608252]First of all, most tabloid newspapers are more accurate than CNN these days. But my intention was simply to point out the current narrative. Which I did accurately. It's naive to think getting the vaccine will do anything to help you avoid being quarantined. Whether the vaccine is actually a benefit to your health or not relative to the risks of getting a vaccine that has not been fully tested is a different topic.

The current reality is that even if you get sick or just test positive for covid, then recover from covid so that you have natural immunity, the narrative is that they still want you to get the vaccine. So whether you already have a strong immunity from recovering from covid or have whether you have not had covid yet, since you are a "good citizen" you may go ahead and get vaccinated (twice in some cases if it's an mRNA vaccine) to follow the advice of the narrative. You may even get a booster shot at some designated time period (seemingly that will be an unending recurrence of boosters for the rest of your life) to further strengthen the powers of your protection from covid. Even with all of that, upon arrival in Indonesia, you still have to go into quarantine for 8 days fully funded by yourself and you still need to provide negative covid tests paid for by yourself.

The bottom line is you have to quarantine 8 days in Indonesia. Even if you follow all of the current narrative's guidelines, get vaccinated, get the booster shots as suggested, and you have either never even been sick or if you have been sick in the past and recovered to have natural immunity, you still have to be "quarantined". I would think both the tabloids and CNN might even agree that is the case.[/QUOTE]It all depends if one country has a policy to live with covid or one stubbornly still wants to maintain a zero-covid policy. I think zero-covid is no longer possible, since that horse has already left the barn, which means eventually all countries need to adopt a policy of living with it. In order for a country to be able to live with covid and not break their healthcare system, a much higher percentage of the population needs to be vaxxed with effective vaccines, not some sino-crap. Unfortunately, that is what are mostly available to the majority of people in Indonesia. At least some protection is still better than none.

Canada and most of western Europe are already allowing fully vaxxed visitors entry without quarantines.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2609543]It all depends if one country has a policy to live with covid or one stubbornly still wants to maintain a zero-covid policy. I think zero-covid is no longer possible, since that horse has already left the barn, which means eventually all countries need to adopt a policy of living with it. In order for a country to be able to live with covid and not break their healthcare system, a much higher percentage of the population needs to be vaxxed with effective vaccines, not some sino-crap. Unfortunately, that is what are mostly available to the majority of people in Indonesia. At least some protection is still better than none.

Canada and most of western Europe are already allowing fully vaxxed visitors entry without quarantines.[/QUOTE]Once the tourism is back in force in other wealthy countries, the rest of the world will follow. It is just about time the fear and fortress mindset to slowly disappear.

Australia is lifting the ban on outbound travel. Hopefully more flights and inbound restriction from Indonesia lifted too.

Could anyone who is familiar with Jakarta in pre-pandemic times give a proper, broad overview of the current mongering situation in the city? From perusing the forum, I have the impression that the large venues like Classic Hotel, Tourst Hotel, Malioboro, Kings Cross, Sumo are all closed; some smaller massage places are open. Is this correct? What about online dating? I would have thought that if most venues are closed, girls would migrate to online dating where I assume it is more difficult for the government to regulate activity.

And what is it like to be in Jakarta now? Are malls open / closed, bars open / closed, people working from home, traffic and air and noise pollution down?

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2613277]Could anyone who is familiar with Jakarta in pre-pandemic times give a proper, broad overview of the current mongering situation in the city? From perusing the forum, I have the impression that the large venues like Classic Hotel, Tourst Hotel, Malioboro, Kings Cross, Sumo are all closed; some smaller massage places are open. Is this correct? What about online dating? I would have thought that if most venues are closed, girls would migrate to online dating where I assume it is more difficult for the government to regulate activity.

And what is it like to be in Jakarta now? Are malls open / closed, bars open / closed, people working from home, traffic and air and noise pollution down?[/QUOTE]A friend living in Jakarta told me yesterday that the clubs are opening again. So if the clubs are open, I guess the rest is as well.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2613277]Could anyone who is familiar with Jakarta in pre-pandemic times give a proper, broad overview of the current mongering situation in the city? From perusing the forum, I have the impression that the large venues like Classic Hotel, Tourst Hotel, Malioboro, Kings Cross, Sumo are all closed; some smaller massage places are open. Is this correct? What about online dating? I would have thought that if most venues are closed, girls would migrate to online dating where I assume it is more difficult for the government to regulate activity.

And what is it like to be in Jakarta now? Are malls open / closed, bars open / closed, people working from home, traffic and air and noise pollution down?[/QUOTE]In answer to the questions in your first paragraph, yes, pretty much, the big clubs are closed, some of the smaller ones have reopened and Tinder is your go-to place now for hook-ups and contacts. Three- and four-star hotels continue to operate providing very reasonably priced accommodation for your assignations. There is high unemployment among karaoke hostesses, massage therapists, SPGs etc. But many of the girls simply decamped back to their kampungs and haven't yet returned. Tinder is full of agents, immediately identifiable by the fake photos of dubiously attractive Korean and Japanese models in their profiles and their opening gambit of "Where you stay, hotel or apartamen?" They will ask 1. 5 million but can be immediately bargained down to 800 k but the girl that eventually shows up will be business-like and in a rush to leave for her next gig. Better to stick to the good old-fashioned amateurs looking for a bit of cash, you can get a single mom, bored housewife or office girl looking to make her rent for 500 k or 600 k for an afternoon's short time.

All the malls have reopened, you need a special, very intrusive and battery-draining, app from the government which tracks your every move to get into the malls and restaurants (only residents of Indonesia can download the app, something the government appears not to have considered when it talked about reopening Bali to foreigners). The bars are open again but they aren't as busy as they were. Traffic and pollution have returned to normal. Mask-wearing is compulsory and there is usually a lot of faddle-daddle about "health protocols" before entering public places but nothing that can't be overcome.

Not quite back to normal, but I'd say 80% there.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2608622] in the future, most likely when 75% to 80% of the local population has been vaccinated
[/QUOTE]You'll be waiting a damn long time for that to happen. Currently with only 21% fully vaccinated and around 200,000 doses given a day, you are looking at around another 2 years before that is a reality. Even then, that will only happen assuming current rates are maintained. There is a lot of hesitancy out there, mostly driven by religion and superstition. I think what's more likely is that certain areas will be re-opened to fully vaccinated visitors. Expect the whole system to be poorly planned and to fall apart within weeks of being implemented.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2613774]In answer to the questions in your first paragraph, yes, pretty much, the big clubs are closed, some of the smaller ones have reopened and Tinder is your go-to place now for hook-ups and contacts. ....[/QUOTE]Thanks for the helpful information!

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2614048]Thanks for the helpful information![/QUOTE]My friend in Jakarta told me that the Classic Hotel has reopened the 2nd floor bar, but you will need the app that shows you are double vaxxed to get entry and the other bars inside the classic are going to open as they get more girls, Travel Hotel has also reopened with the same vax rules to get in, both clubs are still low on numbers, If I get to Jakarta for a holiday sometime in the future I will give a first hand report.

[QUOTE=CamboCleve;2615130]My friend in Jakarta told me that the Classic Hotel has reopened the 2nd floor bar, but you will need the app that shows you are double vaxxed to get entry and the other bars inside the classic are going to open as they get more girls, Travel Hotel has also reopened with the same vax rules to get in, both clubs are still low on numbers, If I get to Jakarta for a holiday sometime in the future I will give a first hand report.[/QUOTE]Like most places, the average business owner, security guard etc. Does not much enjoy enforcing the entry rules about vaccination status. The Peduli Lindungi app only works if you have an Indonesian phone number. OS just shows a screenshot of his overseas vaccination certificate to get into the mall as does Lady OS, who is Indonesian but was also vaccinated overseas. So far with 100% success.

When it comes to getting into the rat houses, the control group is 50% smaller because OS never takes lady OS with him. But given that he has never even been asked to show vaccination status there despite all the check in QR codes on display at the door. OS can safely say with 100% confidence that one will be admitted.

[QUOTE=CamboCleve;2615130]My friend in Jakarta told me that the Classic Hotel has reopened the 2nd floor bar, but you will need the app that shows you are double vaxxed to get entry and the other bars inside the classic are going to open as they get more girls, Travel Hotel has also reopened with the same vax rules to get in, both clubs are still low on numbers, If I get to Jakarta for a holiday sometime in the future I will give a first hand report.[/QUOTE]That's all fine. Bigger issue is when will we be allowed to get back in to Indonesia. My other concern is I would have to quarantine in Thailand again after going to Indonesia since Indonesia is not on the Thailand no quarantine list.