[QUOTE=Betong]And unlike Nic F, I think many of us veterans come to appreciate performance over pure looks.[/QUOTE]What? I know English isn't my first language but I think this time my post was clear and, you, clearly misunderstood. Read it again.
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[QUOTE=Betong]And unlike Nic F, I think many of us veterans come to appreciate performance over pure looks.[/QUOTE]What? I know English isn't my first language but I think this time my post was clear and, you, clearly misunderstood. Read it again.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]What? I know English isn't my first language but I think this time my post was clear and, you, clearly misunderstood. Read it again.[/QUOTE]Sorry, Nic, my mistake. I saw "Price or performance is secondary, Looks are what matters most" and thought it was your opinion, not your take on Mick L's. (Though I'll bet even Mick relaxes his standards below a 9 if the performance is really outstanding . . . .)
[QUOTE=Flyhere]I don't have any oilies experience, only soapies.You pay a fishbowl girl 1900-2000thb, of that the girl gets 1000thb. A sideliner costs 2500-2600thb, of that the girl gets 1200-1300thb. All in all, it's about a 50-50 split. If there is a farang surcharge, again it's a 50-50 split, generally. This is what the girls tell me.For poor service, I do not tip, and it's pretty rare that I don't. I tip 300-500thb in general, usually 500thb, 1Kthb on very rare occasions. So a trip to my local soapie will cost around 3000thb, a bit more if I count the tips for the papasan or mamasan and the drinks girl and the 20thb for soap lady.For me this is the best value, as BFing a girl ST costs around 4000thb in total, plus taxi money. I do not pick up freelancers. Oilies probably add up to about the same.Again, my regular soapie girls tell me most customers generally tip. In general, Thai guys tip, but not well, around 100thb. Indians are stingy and always try to bargain, farangs always tip, 100-300thb mostly. A 500thb tip is considered very good.[/QUOTE]This is very close to the info I have obtained over the years from workers and managers alike.....and the tipping scale is very accurate too. Good post!!
Tried out the Nuru-Nuru massage at Colonze 2. I had to go early due to a business meeting, and at 2pm the lineup consisted of exactly one sideliner and one girl in the bowl. I waited a bit, and Papasan Leon finally recommended No 23, Day, for Nuru-Nuru.In the room, they brought in the smallish stool that defines Nuru-Nuru together with the transparent seaweed gel that is mixed with water and really glides fantastically. The session was pretty good. Day isn't overly pretty (6-7) but has am nice round butt and is eager to please. Bj goes deep and has the trademark Japanese slurp. The gel-sliding part on the chair where she works on your ass and balls from behind and through the hole in the stool, while gripping around for your dick, feels really great with the gel. Damage was 2400, supposedly with an 500 surcharge for the gel that is imported from Japan. According to the papasan, 70% of the girls know how to do nuru-nuru. When I left at 4pm, the lineup was ok but not great (passed by Nataree on my way back and man that was packed with young beauties). So go when you want something different and are into rimming / ass-fondling.
[QUOTE=Flyhere]Again, my regular soapie girls tell me most customers generally tip. In general, Thai guys tip, but not well, around 100thb. Indians are stingy and always try to bargain, farangs always tip, 100-300thb mostly. A 500thb tip is considered very good.[/QUOTE]I do understand that what people tip is dependent on their social customs, their budget, and finally whether they are generous or not.I personally would rather tip nothing than offer a measely 100 Baht tip for the girl after a good session. The difference between a great session and a very ordinary session is worth a hell of a lot more to me than $4 (home currency).I don't want to waste my time having ordinary sessions which is why I prefer to repeat with girls that are good.Even though 100 Baht can buy something to eat, I would not like to get a "stingy" image. So its either a good tip or nothing. It helps really put me into the "preferred customer" class. I usually give the papasan 100 Baht tip just for a few minutes of service, if I know him well, so that he will feel like looking after me well. Sometimes just 50 Baht if papasan wasn't very relevant. On a rare occasion I have even given a papasan 200 for extraordinary service like finding out when the girl will be working, making a booking and calling back to set the time etc. i.e. really helping get me set up with a top girl.Obviously if everyone tipped the papasan generously, then he would be making big money. But obviously not everyone does.But just bear in mind that the papasan and waitresses in Soapies usually get no salary as such and rely purely on tips. But if getting advice on a girl, its best to tip the papasan afterwards based on him giving good information or nothing if he recommended a crap girl.So far I find that its very rare for some girl to act very lazy when she is expecting a good tip but knows the size of the tip is dependent on her performance.
[QUOTE=Mark17]The video page does not come up when you add the /video/ to the address.[/QUOTE]It appears to be case-sensitive, so "video" not "Video".
I agree that tipping is a personal choice and there is no right or wrong. I don't convert the local baht into US dollars, but rather view things from the local perspective and relative value of money, based on what I know about the local wages.I tip the soapie waitress 20thb. The soapie girls generally give 20thb to the lady who brings the basket of soaps and supplies into the room. So I always drop 20thb into the basket or leave it on the dresser, it's a very small gesture, but it earns me a thank you from my girl.I think not many people tip the mamasan, and I don't know if they earn a salary or not, they probably has a small base plus a revenue-based bonus. Sometimes the girls will share with mamasan 100-200thb if the girls get a good tip. I tip my mamasan 200thb up front at the time of payment so my girl will see it, and they know to keep all of the tips from me. Just little things but it means the girl keeps the full tips.Now some may think that the 200thb to mamasan is a waste, afterall they might have given a good advice the first time, but subsequently you don't need to tip each time. And your thinking would be correct. It's just my way to establish myself as a friendly and generous regular, they give me their phone number, and I can get them to check the schedule and call me when a girl is working that day, etc.
[QUOTE=Flyhere]I agree that tipping is a personal choice and there is no right or wrong. I don't convert the local baht into US dollars, but rather view things from the local perspective and relative value of money, based on what I know about the local wages.I tip the soapie waitress 20thb. The soapie girls generally give 20thb to the lady who brings the basket of soaps and supplies into the room. So I always drop 20thb into the basket or leave it on the dresser, it's a very small gesture, but it earns me a thank you from my girl.I think not many people tip the mamasan, and I don't know if they earn a salary or not, they probably has a small base plus a revenue-based bonus. Sometimes the girls will share with mamasan 100-200thb if the girls get a good tip. I tip my mamasan 200thb up front at the time of payment so my girl will see it, and they know to keep all of the tips from me. Just little things but it means the girl keeps the full tips.Now some may think that the 200thb to mamasan is a waste, afterall they might have given a good advice the first time, but subsequently you don't need to tip each time. And your thinking would be correct. It's just my way to establish myself as a friendly and generous regular, they give me their phone number, and I can get them to check the schedule and call me when a girl is working that day, etc.[/QUOTE]This is good advice. However with mamasan/papasan having very low or no base salary, I believe there is a need to tip them something on an ongoing basis, but to adjust it based on the effort they put in. So a very small tip is O.K. for just 5 minutes of their time.
I agree that 100 BHT is ample for the mama/papa in most instances. And I always give it to them in front of the girl to establish myself as a tipper. I believe this gives her a clear signal that if she performs well, she will be tipped. They know from experience that a lot of customers, especially locals and other Asians, do not tip. Also take small bills with you to pay for drinks. If you give the drink girl 500 or 1000 BHT, you stand a very good change of not getting any change.
[QUOTE=Ralph Kramden]Also take small bills with you to pay for drinks. If you give the drink girl 500 or 1000 BHT, you stand a very good change of not getting any change.[/QUOTE]I have never experienced that!
[QUOTE=El Greco]Thanks to the FKK Great Master IseeU that was the case with me that Sunday with miss Dao. I had a booking with her at 21:00 hrs.But I was even more tired than her due to my all night flight.Although she did insist for a second round, no matter how tired she was, I kindly declined. Believe you me I couldn't get even a finger in her behind that time. Most probably due to reaction to IseeU's stretching. LOL[/QUOTE]...about that man. If I knew that you were also due to go back there after me, I would have left you a note. LOL
[QUOTE=Satrai2000]Do not agree with your last statement. Because you didn't get satisfactory service from a particular lady does not mean that the entire MP is worthless. I myself went here quite a few times, always took the same lady. Her name is Bel, half North-Indian and half Thai-Chinese. If BBJ is your thing as I understood from your post then this girl is for you. Besides that she speaks better English than most of the other gals. See photo attached.[/QUOTE]Hi Guys,I'm a long time monger but a new contributor to this forum and I couldn't agree more with Satraj's statement. I travel to LOS every two months and I've often opted for Outcall service from Dream Heaven. I'm happy to report I've never been dissapointed to date. No doubt there were occasions when the girl offeres no BBBJ but the sex was great though. My favourite girls include Pang, Ple and Da. In fact, I had just arrived home from LOS and i still could not stop thinking of the great session with Da this morning in my room in Grand President.
[QUOTE=Fpgc11]Hi Guys,I'm a long time monger but a new contributor to this forum and I couldn't agree more with Satraj's statement. I travel to LOS every two months and I've often opted for Outcall service from Dream Heaven. I'm happy to report I've never been dissapointed to date. No doubt there were occasions when the girl offeres no BBBJ but the sex was great though. My favourite girls include Pang, Ple and Da. In fact, I had just arrived home from LOS and i still could not stop thinking of the great session with Da this morning in my room in Grand President.[/QUOTE]Well its nice to get the odd report out of you. Look forward to some more reports of your experiences.
It looks like this place is going to give Akane a run for its money.Services look Similar (except here FS is on the menu) and prices are cheaper.Free WIFI for those interested.Check out their website... I will go try this place soon[url]http://2ladybkk.web.fc2.com/en/index.html[/url]
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]It looks like this place is going to give Akane a run for its money.Services look Similar (except here FS is on the menu) and prices are cheaper.Free WIFI for those interested.Check out their website... I will go try this place soon[url]http://2ladybkk.web.fc2.com/en/index.html[/url][/QUOTE]What was the code for FS on the menu or how did you know?