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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1664127]Spoken like a true 2 week millionaire. If you don't haggle over 300 baht 10 times that is 3000 baht. Most people who live in Pattaya aren't trying to give money away like that, when they know they can get the girl for less.[/QUOTE]Here, Here.
Johnie.
[QUOTE=Lefeu;1664121]I am pretty sure you can negotiate a FL from 1 K to 700 bahts, if you are a good negotiator or when things are slow. But, why haggle over 300 bahts? That's about $10 and you may have a lousy session if the girl thinks you're being cheap. I was there early this year and I was able to pick an FL from beach road. She was relatively older and asked for only 500 bahts. She turned out to be relatively good in the sack. I never negotiate with FLs. If I don't like the price, I walk. At the end, it all evens out.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. In fact, if a good one says 700, I may say how about 1000? Sorry, cheap guys. I'm not a 2 week millionaire, either.
I was down on Walking Street, New Year Eve, usually I take my bike regardless of the heavy traffic but noticed and got reports on the Darkside there might be road checks so in the end took a motorbike taxi. Wanted to get a bit to eat at the Beergarden but no luck not a seat to be found. In the end, just opt for the first food place into W. S. On the right. Consider it a greasy spoon place.
W. S. Was packed I started off at Sensation to say Happy New to a old friend with a few drinks but even with the high BF she was gone already. Next went to the Star also to see a old friend she was just leaving with customer so I save a few baht not buying drinks here. Aside from the girl the Mamasan (TOM) really aggressive when it comes to tipping for nothing? So, next Happy G. G. Double BF at 1600 for LT, and girls asking 5-6000 baht flying off the shelf. After one drink, I was headed to my final stop Bacarra, but before going in I decided to stand outside end of walkway for Happy. There is a new bar Crazy House open right at the entrance good place to order a drink and just watch. W. S. Was wall to wall people. You can spot lots of FL walking back and forth, many right across from me at the Roo Bar.
After about a half hour I went into Bacarra, I had already made arrangements to meet my regular there at a certain time. Really surprise to actually see not that busy because the majority of girls had already been BF, majority for LT, at 1600 BF and 5-6000 for the top girls and I can say they were not all being BF by Asians. Many of the girls are locked in during this two week period no days off and the not so popular girls are left to deal with the leftovers. I had already made my plans and the few girls I normally buy drinks for had not been BF, and as expected, cough up the 1600 BF and slipped it to me to BF them so they could come allow to a place that is normally venture by Thais that have a live Thai band and good food. So when leaving I had a my regular and a bunch of her friends I was the big spender the whale? We all got into a songthaw on 2nd road and ended to North Pattaya towards Hollywood.
Happy New year fellas!
[QUOTE=Opebo;1663938]How was that price arrived at or agreed upon? I find that many people seem to be paying 1k as the next step up from the old price, which was (and remains, for some of us, particularly in the off season) 500 baht, basically because 'one thousand' is the first bid out of most of the younger girl's mouths nowadays. I've only your pic to go by, but from that pic I'd guess your girl would have easily gone for 700 or so. Anyway that's what I've paid for some of the younger, cuter girls on the beach. Point being, for everyone's future reference, 1,000 is [u]not[/u] the new norm, though I'll admit if its ever so it would be during the unpleasant few weeks of high season.[/QUOTE]I don't want to get into this debate. We've gone over it a million times in this form.
But just for info purposes she wanted 1. 5 K initially and I countered on 700. We met halfway at 1 K.
Considering that there were maybe 3 girls on all of BR I would do and that she was, IMHO, the best one I thought this was more than fair.
Scored another one last night for 700. Jeab, 27. Looked good in her dress, with nice curve and rack. But a little on the saggy side when I removed the dress. She was probably a stunner before she had her kid a few years ago.
Still, she was pretty damn wild in bed. Wanted her ass slept hard and liked to get pounded. She liked it kind of rough! CIM. She opened up wide for me to jerk it in her moth. Porno style!
But no DFK, only LFK, (I think there is something wrong with her tooth. Jaeb avoided smiling even when I made her laugh. What is it with these BR girls and dental issues).
So not sure I would take her again. But I do have the digits in case of an emergency. LOL.
Stay horny my friends.
Uncle V.
[QUOTE=Lefeu;1664121]why haggle over 300 bahts? That's about $10 and you may have a lousy session if the girl thinks you're being cheap.[/QUOTE]One good reason to save those 300 baht is the ability to give the 100-500 tip upon good service. Thus encouraging good behavior and positive attitude by everyone.
As long as you're not pushing under the going rate (which is 500-700 baht for BR), you won't have a lousy session. Of course, some girls give lousy service anyway, regardless of what you pay them. In fact, if she pushes too hard for more than the going rate, that's the prime indicator she'll be lousy (all focused on maximizing revenue, not just being relaxed / fun / compliant for the standard fee plus a possible tip).
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1664228]One good reason to save those 300 baht is the ability to give the 100-500 tip upon good service. Thus encouraging good behavior and positive attitude by everyone.
As long as you're not pushing under the going rate (which is 500-700 baht for BR), you won't have a lousy session. Of course, some girls give lousy service anyway, regardless of what you pay them. In fact, if she pushes too hard for more than the going rate, that's the prime indicator she'll be lousy (all focused on maximizing revenue, not just being relaxed / fun / compliant for the standard fee plus a possible tip).[/QUOTE]How does she know you're going to tip? Give it up front and you bought good service. 1500 should buy a real good time on Beach Road.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1664228]One good reason to save those 300 baht is the ability to give the 100-500 tip upon good service. Thus encouraging good behavior and positive attitude by everyone.[/QUOTE]Tipping only works for repeat customers. Unless everyone tips for good service (which is probably not the case), the girls will not take a "tip" into account when providing their service. One of the forum members here once said "I'll tip you, when you can put a smile on my face". I think that is actually a good strategy: now the girl knows she can get extra money for good service.
That being said, I do give most of the girls a tip, unless her service was really atrocious. But then again, I'm such a soft egg and I do it for karmic reasons.
Sorry guys this is WAY off topic.
But can anyone recommend a print shop in town that could print up some business cards for me, and so it with a quick turn around. Say in 2 days?
You would be saving my life. I forgot to pack mine and have a business trip in Singapore right after I'm done with my holiday here.
Thanks again in advance!
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1664246]Tipping only works for repeat customers. Unless everyone tips for good service (which is probably not the case), the girls will not take a "tip" into account when providing their service. [/QUOTE]Actually, human psychology is such that tipping / bonuses (above the base salary) work best if they're variable and unpredictable, only somewhat correlated to work performed. This applies to creative work, where people can take some pride in being good (which hooking is at some level), not to precisely measurable soulless stuff like making identical items on a production line.
So, for tips to work, it's enough that a fair proportion of customers tip, not that they all do. In fact, if all people tipped consistent amounts, it would become an expectation and fail to have a strong effect. On the other hand, if almost nobody tips (or "tips" are standard upsells, pay X for BBBJ, pay why for me to be nice), it's just an odd curiosity and doesn't work either.
There's a fair amount of academic research on this topic (intrinsic vs extrinsic motivation, effect of bonuses), although obviously, not much directly related to prostitution.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1664246]"I'll tip you, when you can put a smile on my face". I think that is actually a good strategy: now the girl knows she can get extra money for good service.[/QUOTE]Tit-for-tat approach may improve compliance a bit, but does not truly motivate or change the attitude. An unspecified "tip" for unspecified "good service", is not going to change much. Usually, when I tried that approach it only resulted in a higher likelihood of an argument when payment is due. If you dangle the tip ahead of time, they'll virtually always feel they deserved it, and that it ought to be higher than what it is.
The attitude is key, I'd much rather be with a girl who is generally fun, but may not do much of a BBBJ than with a grumpy one who'd obviously rather be elsewhere, but formally / minimally complies.
In my experience, unless you're a frequent customer, any provider is generally going to do her usual thing, determined by her general environment / personality / chemistry between you two. Stuff you talk about beforehand, or paying above the going rate, is rarely going to have much of an effect.
We're lucky in the Farang-oriented market in Thailand that people tip vastly varying amounts. In some markets (for instance, PRC hookers elsewhere in the region), nobody tips except in the form of extorted more-or-less standard upsells, and service is generally poor.
Personally, I only tip when a girl goes above and beyond the requirements because I feel it's decent that I reciprocate and go above and beyond as well. Not as an incentive for good service, since, in my experience, that does not work in individual cases (although people tipping does have an effect in aggregate within the entire market segment).
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1664363]Sorry guys this is WAY off topic.
But can anyone recommend a print shop in town that could print up some business cards for me, and so it with a quick turn around. Say in 2 days?
You would be saving my life. I forgot to pack mine and have a business trip in Singapore right after I'm done with my holiday here.
Thanks again in advance![/QUOTE]You lucky got Internet here in the village. Long drive.
Not too late? I've use these three in the past. Sorry do not have their business cards with me. Not sure where you are staying?
If you are at Soi Baukhao, right at Soi Diana corner there is a 7/11 at the corner of Soi Leng Kee. Walk past the 7/11 down Soi Baukhao there is a Kodak shop, they do some printing of Business cards.
There is another on 3rd Road Soi 13, if you are at Soi Baukhao the Tony bar and gym across from them is a Soi. There is a 7/11 on the corner. Go down that long Soi it leads to 3rd Road, at the end make a left, walk down a little just before Soi 13 is a small shop on left that does printing.
On Pattaya Klang, the Soi where Big c extra is located, at the corner of 3rd Road on the corner is a shop for Hormone Treatment, start to walk up toward Big c, a few doors up is another print shop. If you walk past the large green massage building you have already passed it.
Being Sunday, I believe the only one that might be open is the Kodak. All three not sure if they can meet your deadline. The Kodak might be your best bet since they deal with falangs more due to the area. The other two is much more Thai and might charge you higher than normal?
Good luck, not taking AirAsia?
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1664363]Sorry guys this is WAY off topic.
But can anyone recommend a print shop in town that could print up some business cards for me, and so it with a quick turn around. Say in 2 days?
You would be saving my life. I forgot to pack mine and have a business trip in Singapore right after I'm done with my holiday here.
Thanks again in advance![/QUOTE]There is a print shop on Soi Buakhao just south of the junction with Soi Lengkee.
I am sure they can help you.
[QUOTE=Judasville;1664721]There is a print shop on Soi Buakhao just south of the junction with Soi Lengkee.
I am sure they can help you.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys. Yes I met up with the Kodak guy and he is setting it up for me. Reasonable price too.
Slow night tonight with my regular. But will be out and about tomorrow.
Stay horny my friends.
Uncle V.
I have a couple of questions (of course).
First, thanks for all the info I have found reading through the Pattaya forum. I only had time to read back about 50 pages to the end of September. I have been visiting Pattaya and SE Asia since late in 2001. But my last visit to Pattaya was a weekend stop in the summer of 2012.
So there have been some big changes and a lot of other things have remained pretty much the same. Here is what I think I learned from your posts. Please correct me where I am mistaken.
1. Prices have shot through the roof! I bar-fined 2 average looking ladies for 1500 Baht each for LT. I took them from Silver Star GoGo on Soi 8 and they were a lot of fun. That was the 2012 visit. Now LT from the GoGos is $4000 B. Ouch! I hope that is just on Walking Street.
2. There is a whole new class of venues for me to explore. At least they are new to me, for example the so-called Gentleman's Clubs. From the posts I have read they don't sound to be much different than the establishments on Soi 6 except that they are more scattered and more difficult to get to. Also, the posts regarding these venues indicate they can be quite sleazy so I have no option but to visit them. I just have to figure out how to get to them.
3. I will probably explore both Devils Den and the Dream Teen venues. Again, new to me. A little pricey, but this will be my last "vacation" to the LOS.
4. Action on Soi Bukao, Soi Honey and LK Metro. It has been a while, I just don't remember that much going on or if I even explored these areas in the past. I will now! Thanks to you guys! I have maps and descriptions of many places of interest to me due to your reports.
5. Sensations. I read a lot of posts but I am unclear about what this venue is all about. Are you discussing freelancers in a gogo or is it a disco with Mamasans? Where is this establishment on Walking Street?
6. Insomnia, Mixx, etc. For freelancers. Should I even bother? I am 63 years old. I'm not grotesque, I am not over weight, but I am realistic. Forget the dance floor. I just want to find a cutie for ST / LT.
7. Beach Road Street Walkers. So the price is right. I have walked the road many, many times. Almost all of the girls were not acceptable to me. That is just my opinion and things on Beach Road may have changed. I like walking so maybe I will find that diamond on BR.
8. The Dark Side. This set of venues may have to wait until my move this coming Fall.
9. Pattaya is an adventure and things have truly changed.
So this visit has a dual purpose. I think my list of "learned things" above indicates my first purpose fairly clearly. To maximize my apparent objective I will need to procure one of the generic Cialis (Tadalafil) products. Unlike the barfines and ST / LT tips; the prices for these ED pharmaceuticals have plummeted from the original brand. I could walk from pharmacy to pharmacy asking if they have the product. But, I would like my first day spending more of my time looking for my first cutie than walking in and out of pharmacies. I will be staying on Soi 2. If anyone can recommend a specific pharmacy with a name and location near or not so near where I am staying I would seriously appreciate the advice.
My second purpose for this visit concerns a much more important objective for me and it is the primary reason for my upcoming visit. I will retire on April 30th. I need to research living arrangements in Pattaya / Jontiem. I am looking to spend somewhere in the range of 10,000 Baht to 17,000 Baht per month. My long term visits will start in the fall after I obtain a retirement visa.
I have done some limited research on the web. From what I have seen, it appears that I can find something quite acceptable in that price range for either a Studio or a 1 bedroom condo. I tried to find a forum on ISG that dealt with this issue and I was unsuccessful. If there is a better place for this query, please tell me.
Otherwise, any suggestions concerning how to go about my research both here in San Francisco and in Pattaya will be very much appreciated.
I arrive in Pattaya on Saturday, January 10th. If any ISG expat would care to hook up and share their knowledge re: living in Pattaya, the drinks are all on me. Just send me a PM.
I'm also up for a bar hop if anyone is interested. Soi 6, Genleman's Clubs, The Dark Side or. Of course, we would need an experienced guide and he should be treated appropriately. PMs are welcome.
Well again, I seriously want to thank you all for all of the informative posts. And of course, I wish you all a great and happy New Year.
Nuevo.
[QUOTE=Nuevo;1665104]I have a couple of questions (of course).
My second purpose for this visit concerns a much more important objective for me and it is the primary reason for my upcoming visit. I will retire on April 30th. I need to research living arrangements in Pattaya / Jontiem. I am looking to spend somewhere in the range of 10,000 Baht to 17,000 Baht per month. My long term visits will start in the fall after I obtain a retirement visa.
I have done some limited research on the web. From what I have seen, it appears that I can find something quite acceptable in that price range for either a Studio or a 1 bedroom condo. I tried to find a forum on ISG that dealt with this issue and I was unsuccessful. If there is a better place for this query, please tell me.
Otherwise, any suggestions concerning how to go about my research both here in San Francisco and in Pattaya will be very much appreciated.
Nuevo.[/QUOTE]You have to be aware of the scams in Pattaya and other areas, there are some notorious foreigners running scams and even pretending to be lawyers and other helpful experts.
Check out andrew-drummond for some leads.
Teltel.
[QUOTE=Nuevo;1665104]I will retire on April 30th. I need to research living arrangements in Pattaya / Jontiem. I am looking to spend somewhere in the range of 10,000 Baht to 17,000 Baht per month.
I arrive in Pattaya on Saturday, January 10th. If any ISG expat would care to hook up and share their knowledge re: living in Pattaya, the drinks are all on me. Just send me a PM.
I'm also up for a bar hop if anyone is interested. Soi 6, Genleman's Clubs, The Dark Side or. Of course, we would need an experienced guide and he should be treated appropriately. PMs are welcome.[/QUOTE]Unable to send you a PM. Soo...,There is an expat club that meets every Sunday Morning at 9a, with a 95 Baht breakfast. Meeting starts at 10:30a, held at the Tavern by the Sea Restaurant, Amari Orchid Resort, north of Soi 1. I missed last Sunday, but will be there this coming Sunday. I found apartments in the $500 USD / month range in the Jomtien area. There is another Soi 6 crawl Jan 13 and a Gentlemen's Club crawl Jan 27. I'm also looking into venturing into the Dark Side. Send me a PM for more info. With a nic of Nuevo, ¿Habla Español?