Manila

[QUOTE=Goons;2113565]Thanks guys and at SXX and Westcoast for your PM's. I've only just had time today to check in since my last post. I have a couple of hours today but I need to mix in some actual travel research, and I don't imagine having much more free time from now until late next week so every little bit is highly appreciated.

It wasn't quite 20 years ago, early 2000's and these were high end places I was talking about in my earlier post, not the random street ones in the red light areas. My local friends seemed to think the prices were good for the day, maybe the fact that Japanese businessmen were also regulars at these places drove up the prices but I would have happily paid more for the quality of the girls in some of those places.

Anyway, back to the present where I will be doing solo without much prior experience apparently based on inaccurate information. From the high number of posts regarding internet hookups, I take it the bar and SW scenes in Manila now are rather weak, or is it just a preference of the regulars to use apps? I was able to do one quick search the other day and other than Burgos, it seems the Ermita area is another place for bars and SW's which is what I'll now spend my remaining free afternoon researching in addition to doing actual travel research.[/QUOTE]Don't forget about EDSA Entertainment in Pasay. These Gogos are a bit cheaper than Burgos. I believe most of the Ermita bars are for locals. Also, be careful of the age thing there (and everywhere else).

Note: these are just limited observations.

Makati (P Burgos): Disappointed. Way overpriced for marginal talent. Went to several bars. Not many girls at the bars. Talent was ok, but not good as it was 10 years ago. But there were couple of cuties (like the old days) at Jools that were worth the price.

EDSA: Got there around midnight. Again disappointed. Looked around. Not many girls. Talent was ok, but nothing to rave about.

LA Cafe: Spent couple of nights there. There were some decent talent there. Also many below average girls. Overall, better than I remember. But most of them are moms. I talked to 1 girl. She said that all the girls are forced to buy 1 normal priced drink for themselves. She said the customer has to buy the girl a 255 peso lady's drink if they go out with them. She said the girls don't get anything from the lady's drink. She also said that if the girl gets a lady's drink, she still has to buy the normal priced drink for themselves. IMO, that girl was above average for LA Cafe. She asks for 3000 pesos. She said she will accept 2500, but not 2000. But she said other girls will accept 2000; I asked if the other girls will accept 1500; she just giggled.

[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2113213]Fascinating, want to hear more! One question right now though. With the sisters, what time period did the requested 40,000 cover? I wonder about similar arrangements myself, but I am completely with you on the brains part. There's only so long you get value from some animatronic squishy toys.[/QUOTE]That was per month.

I really could not stand them in the house unless we were fucking and sucking. They were completely brainless, lacked any class or manners, loud and uncouth.

[QUOTE=Flyboy2000;2113501]From time to time I enjoy a massage with extras at the very least the classic 'rub and tug', although I do like the massage to be a decent massage, a real 9/10 effort, rather than this 'running her hands lightly over my body' nonsense.

If I seek out one of these in Manila, what's the typical damage for extras such as the tug or a bodyslide? I figure the massage component will be cheap as chips but the extras will quickly head north, so keen to get a real-world idea of that so they don't charge me the 'white guy' tax and I end up paying well above the mark.

Usually I favour rub'and'tugs on my home turf and as an example, using standard Aussie prices for your mid-range Asian shop, you're looking at $60/ HR massage plus $20 for the tug and an extra $30 for her to strip off, so a fully-naked tug costs almost the same ($50) as the one-hour session itself ($60). Was thinking that this ratio be a decent guide in Manila and elsewhere, but then again I'm working off a small sample here so the concept of this ratio as a rule of thumb could be way off![/QUOTE]

A straight massage is usually around 500 p or less, perhaps 750 at a high-class place. This does not vary too much with the client. Can be as low as 250 for a place that caters to locals and is off the track. (per hour)

Extra service prices are not standard. It will depend on if they think that you are just landed and they can charge closer to home country pricing than local pricing.

A good two-hour massage, great HJ release at Abacca will set up back 2000. 1200 for a one hour or 2000 for a one hour 4 hand session. This is one of the few places that have standard published pricing that I have come across. However, the attendants will not remove any clothing and do not allow any touching. (At least in my first 3 visits, not sure if you were a regular if you might get somewhere).

I have been asked as much as 4000 and 5000 for topless CBJ's. I just laughed and said I live here and the asking price drops to 2 to 3000. End up in the 1500 to 2500 range depending on how good the massage is and how good the girl looks.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2113934]She said the customer has to buy the girl a 255 peso lady's drink if they go out with them. She said the girls don't get anything from the lady's drink. She also said that if the girl gets a lady's drink, she still has to buy the normal priced drink for themselves. IMO, that girl was above average for LA Cafe. She asks for 3000 pesos. She said she will accept 2500, but not 2000. But she said other girls will accept 2000; I asked if the other girls will accept 1500; she just giggled.[/QUOTE]Whenever I take a chick from LA Cafe she says she will go outside and instructs me to come out in a couple of minutes in order to avoid the drink thing. I always bargain for 1500,2000 max for LT.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2114013]Whenever I take a chick from LA Cafe she says she will go outside and instructs me to come out in a couple of minutes in order to avoid the drink thing. I always bargain for 1500,2000 max for LT.[/QUOTE]I have been going to LAC now and again for 20 years and I have never, ever been required to buy lady's drinks.

Years ago when LAC was closed down for a few months by Mayor Lim and then re-opened as MBC, there was a suggestion (unwritten of course), that girls had to have a drink in front of them so that they appeared as though they were simply customers in a genuine bar / cafe having a drink. Sitting there with no drink made it obvious they were waiting for someone to pick them up. I also assume that LAC probably decided that they needed to get something back from the freelancers even though their main purpose was to lure guys into the bar hence the requirement to have to buy a drink.

Girls probably spin all sorts of stories to get newbies to buy them a drink. I have never been compelled to buy a drink for a girl. No girl has ever knocked back my offer of a drink either LOL.

Mr E's prices for LT are what I pay for ST because I never want LT.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2113934]Note: these are just limited observations.

Makati (P Burgos): Disappointed. Way overpriced for marginal talent. Went to several bars. Not many girls at the bars. Talent was ok, but not good as it was 10 years ago. But there were couple of cuties (like the old days) at Jools that were worth the price.

EDSA: Got there around midnight. Again disappointed. Looked around. Not many girls. Talent was ok, but nothing to rave about.

LA Cafe: Spent couple of nights there. There were some decent talent there. Also many below average girls. Overall, better than I remember. But most of them are moms.[/QUOTE]Spot on. Lot of bad talent and mothers about compared to previous years. One must really sift through the crud to find any gems these days. Mongers who aren't super picky are still in heaven, however.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2114066]Girls probably spin all sorts of stories to get newbies to buy them a drink. I have never been compelled to buy a drink for a girl. No girl has ever knocked back my offer of a drink either LOL.[/QUOTE]I was wondering if the girl really didn't get anything from the lady's drink. If you want to find out anything, you have to ask many different girls the same question.

Since you seem to be the gentlemen type, I am assuming you always bought a drink to every girl you pulled from LA Cafe. Did you pay the lady's drink price of 255 pesos or the normal price?

Did some RTFF this afternoon, I did not find much more in reading 30+ pages going back to March of this year. Mostly threads about LAC and how Amazonia closed, more taxi threads and some even posting in length about their delayed flights without any sex details. I did find a couple of threads on massage places but not a whole lot, I think places like Kremlins and Flight168 are more my thing but I'll try LAC and maybe Havana if I get to Makati.

I still have not found stuff on SW's and especially around Malate and Ermita which is where I'll be staying. I'm mostly interested in the safety aspect as well as the particular locations if any of you are able to provide them. I'm always careful but can I be sure that pimps and touts in these areas aren't setting me up for some kind of scam which is known to happen in the Phils.

I think someone mentioned many KTV bars or regular bars in Ermita and Malate are geared towards locals. I wonder if I might try my luck as I often get mistaken for a local pretty much everywhere I've been in Asia. I find this usually works for me except for in Thailand where just a couple of months ago I was carded and almost denied entry at two bars in Soi Cowboy and two massage places around Soi 24 I tried to enter.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2114066]I have been going to LAC now and again for 20 years and I have never, ever been required to buy lady's drinks.

Years ago when LAC was closed down for a few months by Mayor Lim and then re-opened as MBC, there was a suggestion (unwritten of course), that girls had to have a drink in front of them so that they appeared as though they were simply customers in a genuine bar / cafe having a drink. Sitting there with no drink made it obvious they were waiting for someone to pick them up. I also assume that LAC probably decided that they needed to get something back from the freelancers even though their main purpose was to lure guys into the bar hence the requirement to have to buy a drink.

Girls probably spin all sorts of stories to get newbies to buy them a drink. I have never been compelled to buy a drink for a girl. No girl has ever knocked back my offer of a drink either LOL.
[/QUOTE]Same experience. I remember the girls all ordering a bottle of water that they'd nurse for 10 hours, and some where bringing in their own water. MBC (then named) somehow got a water bottler to put MBC labels on the water or maybe did so themselves. Later came the push of the waitress asking if you wanted to order a drink for the girl, and the waitress would turn the menu page to the shakes. The girls will drink pretty much whatever you order for them, be it San Mig or rum cokes. I've never had the experience of being told to go outside first and wait for the girl. Perhaps she doesn't want to be seen leaving with the fella so the drink story is convenient excuse.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2114083]

Since you seem to be the gentlemen type, I am assuming you always bought a drink to every girl you pulled from LA Cafe. Did you pay the lady's drink price of 255 pesos or the normal price?[/QUOTE]Again, I think they have hood-winked you.

There's no lady drink price. They just ordered one of the expensive double-priced drinks (fresh fruit-based things). If she wants one of them, just say no, have one of these (and point to the regular priced beer or sodas).

[QUOTE=Hutsori;2114141]Same experience. I remember the girls all ordering a bottle of water that they'd nurse for 10 hours, and some where bringing in their own water. MBC (then named) somehow got a water bottler to put MBC labels on the water or maybe did so themselves. Later came the push of the waitress asking if you wanted to order a drink for the girl, and the waitress would turn the menu page to the shakes. The girls will drink pretty much whatever you order for them, be it San Mig or rum cokes. I've never had the experience of being told to go outside first and wait for the girl. Perhaps she doesn't want to be seen leaving with the fella so the drink story is convenient excuse.[/QUOTE]I have read the MBC / LAC drinks issue with a smile. I went there once, was appalled at what I saw and vowed never to return. So for me the best way to avoid MBC / LAC lady drinks is not to go there as why buy a drink for a fugly LOL. Now I know we all see beauty differently and that in my view.

But I have never returned and would go Havana or clubs or go to Cebu and see regulars and their friends who they would bring along, buy cheap wine in Metro and they were happy (as you say Huts the girls will drink pretty much what you have in stock as long they drink my regular protein shake during the day as well LOL).

This would be the dream life for me in 2 - 3 years.

Continued Good Luck and God Bless!

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2113150]Been in country 3 months now and time for my TR. I am retired here and have time so my strategy will not work for vacation or work trips. It is a little time consuming and takes a couple hours every day but since all I really have to do is look for pussy that is not an issue. There is also a lead time for first contact and sex. Shortest is 4 hours, longest is ongoing 6 weeks texting as we cannot get our schedules together.

FWTW I am in my 60's and am hunting for the 20 to 35-year-old age range. Only had a couple over that, oldest so far was 41, youngest was 20.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goons;2114097]I still have not found stuff on SW's and especially around Malate and Ermita which is where I'll be staying. I'm mostly interested in the safety aspect as well as the particular locations if any of you are able to provide them. I'm always careful but can I be sure that pimps and touts in these areas aren't setting me up for some kind of scam which is known to happen in the Phils.[/QUOTE]You have four options for street walkers in this area.

1) Behind Malate Church at the southwest corner of Remedios St and Del Pilar St (the corner right behind the church). At night you can usually see a handful of girls on the corner.

2) Walking between G Point and LA Cafe. That's Padre Faura, Mabini, and Salas streets. This is onesey twosey girls. You'll also get the assorted lone fella trying to sell flowers, fake viagra, etc. Watch out for pick pockets. Ladyboys also wandering around.

3) Robinson's shopping mall. Late afternoon and evening girls will be outside the Starbucks.

4) Harrison Plaza. This is wandering around inside the mall during the afternoon and evening. The girls will make direct eye contact and stare.

[QUOTE=Goons;2114097]I think someone mentioned many KTV bars or regular bars in Ermita and Malate are geared towards locals. I wonder if I might try my luck as I often get mistaken for a local pretty much everywhere I've been in Asia.[/QUOTE]I think most in the area are geared to the East Asian customer. These are all over the area; the greatest concentration are on Mabini and Adriatico streets between Robinson's and Remedios Circle. I'm not a karaoke fan so it doesn't appeal to me, and it's also a rip off, but I visit a few times a year with friends. Those I've been to work on the 'consumable' business model where you pay between p600 to p800 per person for 90 minutes of unlimited cheap booze (beer, soju, and Emperador brandy typically) plus the she-sits-with-you-at-the-table fee, called a request fee, starting at p300 per girl per hour (and can go up) and the cost of the girl's drinks; she'll kick one back in 10 to 15 minutes, and they run from p350 to p500 each. You can extend your stay by hour increments of p400 to p500, again consumable. You may find a 10% service fee and tax added to the bill too. Smaller places tend to be one room with a small stage and the girls take turns singing. Larger places have private KTV rooms; these VIP rooms are p1000 to p1500. Some hire these dance troupes to come in and put on a show. BTW, the places that appeal to Pinoys are in QC, Marikina, Las Pinas, etc.

If you want a Filipino experience in Malate / Ermita you're looking for videoke. From LA Cafe go south on Del Pilar heading toward the zoo. The neighbourhood vibe will change; the bars and KTVs will be behind you and you'll find cheaper Pinoy places.

Hey there folks,

I have come across a college going group of girls who are looking for group fun. Any bro want to join me tomorrow night?

PM me for further details.

Sid.