Manila

I think I will! Will be Angeles first for a bit, but will keep you posted!

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2134978]Delbosque reported that Burger King at the Adriaticio entrance to the mall is a good vantage point for girls going in and out of the mall, and the Adriatico entrance is right beside the condos. So why not take one for the team? Check out the condos, duplicate Delbosque's exploration at Burger King, and then report back what you learn.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;2135215]I think I will! Will be Angeles first for a bit, but will keep you posted![/QUOTE]Read Posts 16016 to 16020 first before you waste your time at BK.

I am sitting in front of the Burger King at Robinsons and a guy just came up saying he remembered me and that he worked at the hotel. It clicked that I read here about some type of scam like that. He went on to say it was his day off and he was at the mall with his wife and two kids. He then said that he remembered that I brought a girl in the hotel with me. He asked how long I was staying and I told him that I did not know; probably forever. Then I asked him what hotel he worked at. Three times I acted like I didn't hear his answer and each time he named a different hotel. Then he said you are from US right? I said no, Thailand. He said oh Thailand. Then he didn't say anything else and got up and left after about another minute.

Still no chicks in front of Burger King; just a bunch of people waiting on their rides. There were 2 or 3 hookers in front of Starbucks a while ago when I was inside. 2 were for sure the same ones from yesterday. I am just here waiting on a DIA chick.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2135493]I am sitting in front of the Burger King at Robinsons and a guy just came up saying he remembered me and that he worked at the hotel. It clicked that I read here about some type of scam like that. He went on to say it was his day off and he was at the mall with his wife and two kids. He then said that he remembered that I brought a girl in the hotel with me. He asked how long I was staying and I told him that I did not know; probably forever. Then I asked him what hotel he worked at. Three times I acted like I didn't hear his answer and each time he named a different hotel. Then he said you are from US right? I said no, Thailand. He said oh Thailand. Then he didn't say anything else and got up and left after about another minute.
[/QUOTE]Brilliant M O Mr E. You did very well.

These guys are everywhere in Robinson's Malate. I have had several of them. The last one I played with him for a while too. I told him I was an Australian undercover policeman investigating prostitution in the Philippines. The guy almost tripped over himself running away LOL.

Yeah, that type of scam happens to me in Bangkok. However, there are some that are real and not scam. Some of the workers at hotels do moon light or do referrals. Also, some of the hotel ladies look very different outside their uniform. Over the years, I have had some that recognize and approach me. In those cases, after verification, it could lead to a nice meeting.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2135501]These guys are everywhere in Robinson's Malate. I have had several of them. The last one I played with him for a while too. I told him I was an Australian undercover policeman investigating prostitution in the Philippines. The guy almost tripped over himself running away LOL.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;2135493]I am sitting in front of the Burger King at Robinsons and a guy just came up saying he remembered me and that he worked at the hotel. It clicked that I read here about some type of scam like that.[/QUOTE]I always like LAC. Not always consistent, but a nice place to start or watch. Sat there for about 2 hours with a FL on Saturday afternoon. It is good the girl is showing you around. I always prefer doing that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2135055]Okay guys I think I got the hang of it now. Me and the chick I am with (met her at LAC last time) are sitting outside (inside the mall) at Starbucks and she said this is indeed the place. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2135493]I am sitting in front of the Burger King at Robinsons and a guy just came up saying he remembered me and that he worked at the hotel. It clicked that I read here about some type of scam like that. He went on to say it was his day off and he was at the mall with his wife and two kids. He then said that he remembered that I brought a girl in the hotel with me. He asked how long I was staying and I told him that I did not know; probably forever. Then I asked him what hotel he worked at. Three times I acted like I didn't hear his answer and each time he named a different hotel. Then he said you are from US right? I said no, Thailand. He said oh Thailand. Then he didn't say anything else and got up and left after about another minute.[/QUOTE]I insist that they accompany me back to the hotel to take a picture with some of their co-workers. Newbies pay attention and remember this story in the same way Mr. E did from recollection of earlier posts. Almost any foreign man who visits Robinson's--or some of the other Manila malls--will experience this scam at some point in time. There are other scams you will experience. They have one thing in common: a total stranger Filipino approaches you and either claims to know you or wants to help you with something. Filipinos are usually helpful when you ask them for directions, but if the Filipino approaches you first, you're probably dealing with a scam. For most of us our mothers taught us to be considerate of strangers and to assume or pretend that their intentions are positive. In these situations in the Philippines you need to fight down that socialization.

I had not personally tested Delbosque's assertions about the BK area. It made sense to me, since the Adriatico entrance is closest to the Ermita clubs where freelancers hang out. But the traditional area between the escalator and Starbucks leaves them much more space to scope out people walking by and move to intercept them for a friendly, "Hello, sir. " Words like that or direct eye contact and a smile are the usual signs. Average Filipinas, non-pros to whom RK refers, will not smile and make contact with foreign men in that way, specifically because they see us old lechers hanging around and figure out what our game is. The p4ps are easily detected in areas like this, but also take a moment to notice all the older foreign men passing through and seeking eye contact with women.

In years past I sometimes saw them sitting at tables on the outskirts of McDonalds and Kenny Rogers on the first floor of the Pedro Gil wing. But those places are long gone.

Another variant of the "I work at your hotel" scam is to wait within eyesight of your hotel entrance. They see you come out of the hotel and wait until you've walked a short distance off. Then they approach you. The "let's go take a photo with your co-workers" response is very useful in these situations.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2135570] There are other scams you will experience. They have one thing in common: a total stranger Filipino approaches you and either claims to know you or wants to help you with something. .[/QUOTE]Please explain the scam completely.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;2135592]Please explain the scam completely.[/QUOTE]The psychology of the scam is that the guy wants to ingratiate himself with you. He wants you to think you're the best of buddies. It starts with a lie like "I work at your hotel. " All he needs is an entrance to getting a conversation going. After he strings you along for awhile, he hits you up with a charity request. It worked on me the first time I encountered it. I had come out of the Boulevard Mansion Hotel, crossed the street, and was strollling around the Baywalk park area. He comes up to me, claims he works at the hotel, and described watching me carry in my luggage a few nights earlier. Then he wants to know where I'm from, like Mr. E's guy. Other questions are feeling me out, like the way p4ps ask you about how long you've been in the Phils, is it your first trip to the Phils, etc. Then my guy points to a couple kids and a woman, saying they're his family, and one of the girls has her birthday today. But he doesn't have enough money for cake and ice cream, and his daughter is really disappointed. A pretty good pitch. It worked. I gave him a few hundred pesos. The wife and kids all nodded toward me and smiled. This particular family looked a little ramshackle, and since he had the whole family with him, it's very likely they neeeded the money. But if my senses had been about me, I should have picked up on his having no teeth on the front of his upper jaw. He claimed to be a doorman, but I should have questioned whether a hotel wants a toothless man to be the guests' first encounter with the hotel. In other cases where I have been hit up with the "I know you" introduction, it has been single men, a little better dressed, and no family nearby. I now always dispatch them pretty directly.

Another typical scam is a guy wants to help you find something. I had one of these in Robinson's hardware at the Ermita mall. I told him I knew what I needed and didn't need help finding it. He tagged along anyway. When I got to the cash register he wanted to help me pay. I suspect his m. o. was a sleight-of-hand in which he ultimately pockets some of my money. I passed on his offer of help, and as I was walking away, suddenly he could find me women for sex. We were a flight of stairs and three blocks from LAC, so I damn sure didn't need help finding women. I read posts in the forum where some guy claims that a helpful cab driver or somebody they met in a bar helped them find the best kept secret treasure trove of women. In my view these are not wise moves. You've ended up paying additional money to a middle man, when all the information you need for getting access to good Pinay p4ps has been posted in this forum. RTFF is a hell of a lot smarter than accepting the help of a Filipino stranger.

Another time I was just turning the corner at Santa Monica and del Pilar in Ermita, probably headed for the Hobbit House. I was walking fairly fast, so this guy had to work to keep up with me. He first complimented the tennies I was wearing, wanted to know where I was from, "oh yeah, my sister's a nurse and she wants to take a job in your state, but I don't know if it's safe," yada, yada, yada. So wherever it was I was headed, he suddenly wanted to help me buy something unnecessary, maybe one of the Hobbit House t-shirts they sold at the entrance. He suggested I might not know their currency very well, so I should hand him my wallet and let him select the right denominations. Oh sure. When I went inside, he took off.

So there may be other scams, but I've experienced these two. Both involve ingratiating themselves with you so you'll drop your guard. In one the pitch is to hit up your compassionate side. The other is built around an attempt at sleight-of-hand. Guys who want to help you at a money changing outlet are particularly lethal.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2135629]The psychology of the scam is that the guy wants to ingratiate himself with you. He wants you to think you're the best of buddies. It starts with a lie like "I work at your hotel. " All he needs is an entrance to getting a conversation going.....[/QUOTE]There are guys like that in one form or another all over the world. Prior to my knowledge of ISG I sometimes availed myself of their services together with taxi drivers and hotel workers in my pursuit of carnal delights during my travels. The worst I encountered was: "it seems as if girls are all working" whereupon an argument over payment would ensue with the guy complaining bitterly over my last offer given upon my departure. Most of the times I would partake of one of the offerings. Fortunately for me I was never robbed or worse as happened to a friend of mine in Colombia many years ago.

I had to laugh because it is actually sales tactics taught and used in the US. Usually by TV satellite companies that start with a the. You find them all over the place, especially at big box companies. A couple dollars is small price to pay compared to a multiyear contract.

As with Turgid, I have taken their offer, eyes wide open, if I am new to a location. But only from hotel staff or taxi drivers whereby I have a picture of their license and car plates. For them to show me around, I am willing to pay for their time. The good thing is that this is not the Americas or Europe or Eastern Europe where you can really get reamed.

I know several visitors who were cheated. Some were really pissed off until I point out their loses or over payment were usually way under US100.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2135629]The psychology of the scam is that the guy wants to ingratiate himself with you. He wants you to think you're the best of buddies.

Another typical scam is a guy wants to help you find something. I had one of these in Robinson's hardware at the Ermita mall. I told him I knew what I needed and didn't need help finding it. [/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Turgid;2135661]There are guys like that in one form or another all over the world. [/QUOTE]Contrary to what some of his supporters on the forum might have you believe, Rodrigo Duterte has not stationed government employees at all the corners to help lead you to the 42 virgins. Here's a nearly universal law: A Filipino stranger who approaches you with offers of help does not really want to help you; he wants some of your money.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2135962]Here's a nearly universal law: A Filipino stranger who approaches you with offers of help does not really want to help you; he wants some of your money.[/QUOTE]Agree that there really is no reason for a filipino male to approach me. If I need help then I ask.

Even a filipina that openly approaches me I treat with suspicion. A more subtle approach is treated more generously.

BD.

LOL! Exactly what a WG once told me. I took some friends to LAC and was just playing tour guide so told a girl to go grab my friends' tools and not mine. She said they were not interested in her so wasn't going to approach them.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2136047]Even a filipina that openly approaches me I treat with suspicion. A more subtle approach is treated more generously.

BD.[/QUOTE]

After a nice afternoon with a tinder chick and a late meet up with a girl from badoo I headed to LA Cafe.

Dropped by around midnight last night "Thursday" and there were tons of beautiful ladies. In the past I'the Be pressed to find one. Last night was a smorgasbord, wish I took my time to choose but I hate sticking around for too long and usually pop on the first pretty face that smiles at me. (Shows she's a go getter).

Will be with some young locals at Valkyrie tonight for a birthday party, if I don't score one of them by midnight I look forward to making the trip to LA Cafe.