Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

I used to be confused now I'm not so sure anymore.

Seems a GFE need not include kissing but just be a feeling that the girl is happy to be with you. OK going with that without knowing it now 90% of my paid for sessions were GFE'S unlike my previous belief none were as they lacked the genuine intimacy I felt with real girlfriends.

Seems from some member's posts sex with working girls is better than sex with ex or currant girlfriends not just in their skill set but in conveying a feeling that they are really enjoying being with them.

I'm fortunate to have had a lot of both in my life and while its sure not a black and white situation I remember very little of my P4P experiences but have the fondest memories of endless hours in bed with true girlfriends. I was in love with some but not all of them. This is where my definition of GFE comes from.

Anyway thing is, if you've had a good time tip the girl well and I'm pretty sure she doesn't give a hoot what you want to call what just happened.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2109110]The PSE comes as an advertised package and in its truest incarnation encompasses most or all of whatever sexual experience the customer wants to indulge in. Its hardcore sex, plain and simple and its real.

The GFE is the girl pretending to enjoy kissing and cuddling. It's not real it's a fantasy trip for the punter. Kissing and cuddling are nice, I enjoy them particularly with working girls who are naturally affectionate and yes there are some still out there but I don't delude myself, well OK maybe for a minute or two on occasion. But even then I know it's not real, it's a million miles removed from the feelings I have when making love with a real girlfriend and not somebody I'm paying to be with.

I chat a lot with the girls about customers and you know the hardest part of the job for them is the kissing which is why a lot are not into it. There was a comment recently from somebody who visited Kasalong BJ bar that when he tried to kiss her she refused saying none of the girls at the shop kissed. Strange they will suck your dick take your cum in their mouth but cannot abide touching your lips. Strange world we monger through.[/QUOTE]There is a saying that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And the same can be said about GFE and PSE. Because you decide how to treat the lady. It's not something that happens on its own.

GFE doesn't necessarily mean a good experience with the lady, at least not in real life. Because you can find plenty of girlfriends and boyfriends who fight with each other and don't treat each other well. And of course, you can also find plenty of girlfriends and boyfriends who are really nice and affectionate with each other.

It's not how nice and affectionate the lady is with you that decides whether you have a GFE experience or not. Because you can have a girlfriend, who doesn't treat you well.

It's you who decide how to treat the lady. And of course, the lady also decides how to respond to you.

I found from my experience with P4P ladies that being friendly and affectionate with the lady as though she is my girlfriend or my wife usually gets a similar response from her.

The only thing you need to take into account is cultural differences. Because kissing, for example, is common in western countries. But in Thailand, most people don't do it. It's a foreign cultural practice for them, and many Thai ladies are uncomfortable with it, regardless of whether it is a P4P type of situation or normal romance.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2109255]What is "real", anyway? ....

Some of the exceptionally talented girls (like Ying from Tulip), even manage to make most punters feel somewhat special and having a connection with her, despite knowing that 3 other dicks have been through those 3 holes earlier in the day....[/QUOTE]I can say for myself that I can really like several women at the same time and have sex with all of them, one after the other. Liking one woman doesn't stop me from liking other women too.

So, why is it so hard to believe that a P4P lady can feel the same way about multiple guys?

I've heard about double-standards, but they never made sense to me. If I can like several women and really enjoy having sex with all of them, then so can a lady with multiple guys.

There is no good reason to say that your liking is real, but the lady must be acting and faking.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2109396]....I got the vibe that the staff were 50% not taking me seriously. ...

The ONE mistake I made that I won't ever be making again. Don't PAY WITH CREDIT CARD. The exchange rate they offer is bad....
[/QUOTE]I think it's normal for some ladies to start losing their interest in you, after you spend some time in the lobby looking at all the ladies.

Because it's not only you who is picking a lady. The ladies are also picking guys in their own way.

When you look at all the ladies, then you naturally look at some ladies longer than at others. Which gives them all a clue which ladies you are interested in. Then one of the ladies, that you are interested in, starts making a lot of eye-contact with you. While the other ladies either look away or show less interest in you. And that's what makes you pick your lady and go with her.

When you have too many choices, then it can be so hard to decide, that you might not decide at all. You might walk out of the door to think about it some more.

The ladies know this from their experience. And that's why they cooperate with each other to decrease your choice enough for you to pick one of them. They stop competing with each other for your attention, when they see that you are interested in one of them more than in others.

And using a credit card probably leaves a permanent financial record that you've been at this place on certain date and how much money you've paid. And this record isn't just for the bank. Some spy agencies from the US government probably have access to it too.

It's just a computer record, that they can look up, if they want to. But it might come in handy for them in the future, if they want something from you that you don't want to give, such as pleading guilty to some crime, for example, even if you didn't do it.

They can pull out your record of being at this place and threaten to show it to your wife or your girlfriend. This is a normal practice for police and prosecutors. They dig up any kind of dirt on you they can find and use it to get your cooperation. That's how they get so many accused to plead guilty, without going to trial.

That's why it's not a good idea to use a credit card or a debit card for a service that's illegal in the place where you live. This kind of information can be used to spoil your reputation and blackmail you into doing things that you normally might not want to do.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2109396]Day 1.
Soapy. The Lord.
Time - 7 pm.

-90% of customers were of asian.
-Quite a few smoking hot girls.
...

No complaints about The Lord. Will be going back again within my 5 night stay.
Hopefully my review will be helpful to some. Will definitely be posting more.
CHEERS.[/QUOTE]Very well written review. I'm 34 myself but started mongering when I was 26. And started going to Thailand when I was 28.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2109396]<snip>
The ONE mistake I made that I won't ever be making again. Don't PAY WITH CREDIT CARD. The exchange rate they offer is bad.
Don't ask me why I made that decision as I had the cash. Maybe it was the hot little thang on my arm dropping my IQ to -100 haha.

*Conclusion*.

No complaints about The Lord. Will be going back again within my 5 night stay.
Hopefully my review will be helpful to some. Will definitely be posting more.
CHEERS.[/QUOTE]Good report Phazze93. I like the Lord too. It is my favorite soapy in BKK.

When you elect to pay with credit card you have the option of being charged in local currency or dollars. ALWAYS SELECT THE LOCAL CURRENCY. THE EXCHANGE RATE IS THEN CALCULATED BY THE CURRENT INTER-BANK RATE AND IS THEREFORE EXTREMLY GOOD. Be sure to use a credit card that does not charge an FX transaction fee.

I read another BM's comments about the loss of privacy concerning the use of credit cards. I hope this does not start a 2 week discussion on the subject, but I always use credit cards in soapies, oilies, saunas, G-Clubs, nightclubs, and even in Go Go's when I run up a significant tab. I am not married, I am self employed, and I am not planning on running for Congress, so the government can kiss my ass. I will spend my money anyway I want. Besides, there is no real privacy in the modern age. Privacy is an illusion.

I have'nt been to Thailand since 2015. For those who have been to both how does the Lord compare to Nataree?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2109502]I have'nt been to Thailand since 2015. For those who have been to both how does the Lord compare to Nataree?[/QUOTE]They were at opposite ends of the spectrum. I liked Nataree too, for their young Northern Thai girls and for the most part the simple straight forward Thai boy / Thai girl sex they provided. But in terms of service and opulence, the Lord was/is vastly superior and Lord girls were/are generally a few years older, more refined in appearance, and much more raunchy in bed thanks to their being much better trained and managed as sexual providers. Nataree was a pussy meat market. The Lord is a palace. LOL.

Nataree has been closed for a couple of years now. I occasionally miss the joint. The Lord is my favorite soapy in BKK.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2109496]Good report Phazze93. I like the Lord too. It is my favorite soapy in BKK.

When you elect to pay with credit card you have the option of being charged in local currency or dollars. ALWAYS SELECT THE LOCAL CURRENCY. THE EXCHANGE RATE IS THEN CALCULATED BY THE CURRENT INTER-BANK RATE AND IS THEREFORE EXTREMLY GOOD. Be sure to use a credit card that does not charge an FX transaction fee.

I read another BM's comments about the loss of privacy concerning the use of credit cards. I hope this does not start a 2 week discussion on the subject, but I always use credit cards in soapies, oilies, saunas, G-Clubs, nightclubs, and even in Go Go's when I run up a significant tab. I am not married, I am self employed, and I am not planning on running for Congress, so the government can kiss my ass. I will spend my money anyway I want. Besides, there is no real privacy in the modern age. Privacy is an illusion.[/QUOTE]Yea I don't quite understand the harm in using a credit card.

As far as foreign exchange rate goes. It seems everyone & every place in Thailand tries to pull that shit.
I have ALWAYS declined foreign exchange rate and elected to pay in BAHT.
The reason I did not notice it at The Lord. Is that they never ASKED LOL! Next time if I do elect to pay w / CC, I will insist to pay in baht.
I also don't live in Thailand so I'm not overly concerned.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2109502]I have'nt been to Thailand since 2015. For those who have been to both how does the Lord compare to Nataree?[/QUOTE]Never been to Nataree, but the Lord is probably the best after my rounds tonight.

I just visited Poseidon & Emmanuelle and still wound up back at The Lord.
Poseidon. What a joke. Their girls were just low grade. No offense to the girls obviously. Their 3rd floor "models" Hell naw.
Emmanuelle. Overall quality of girls was better than Poseidon but still a bit too old for my taste.
I am going to post my 2nd review of The Lord later. Once I recover from getting my soul pulled out from the tip of my cock haha.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2109474]I think it's normal for some ladies to start losing their interest in you, after you spend some time in the lobby looking at all the ladies.

Because it's not only you who is picking a lady. The ladies are also picking guys in their own way.

When you look at all the ladies, then you naturally look at some ladies longer than at others. Which gives them all a clue which ladies you are interested in. Then one of the ladies, that you are interested in, starts making a lot of eye-contact with you. While the other ladies either look away or show less interest in you. And that's what makes you pick your lady and go with her.

When you have too many choices, then it can be so hard to decide, that you might not decide at all. You might walk out of the door to think about it some more.
[/QUOTE]Totally get your point & I would understand that perspective if I had sat there pondering for a long time. But the "not taking me seriously" vibe was more like "oh this kid is too young hes probably just here to look & not serious about booking a girl" type of vibe. But I went back today. And I'm pretty sure they recognized me so no more weird shit this time around.

SHOUT OUT to my Japanese homie whom I met at The Lord. If you're reading this man I really owe you & if I see you again, I got the next round. You know who you are.

I had planned for Emmanuelle & did not end up bringing enough cash for K class at the Lord & forgot my CC as well. Guy spotted me 1 k baht, saved my night!

Day 2.
Soapy. The Lord.
Time - 6:30 pm.

-90% of customers were of asian again LOL.
-Different lineup than the night before. Fewer "asian" beauties.

I had just come from Emmanuelle and Poseidon. Both were a bust - janky ass lookin lineups. (for my taste)
Same as before, I started with a beer while resting & taking in the sights.
This time, no mamasan to bother me. I took my sweet time walking around and smiling at the girls.
After making the rounds, I selected this cute thing from K tier.

Age - 20 y/o (could have passed for younger).
Height - <160 cm? (petite).
Weight / figure. Tight / slim / fit (less than 100 lb for sure I think).
Face - 8. 5/10 (more cute / pretty, not typical "sexy" face).
Tits - 8/10 (modest size / perky / NATURAL).
Ass - 8/10 (she's petite so yea).
Pussy - 10/10 (some fuzz, not too hairy. But we talkin BAD pussy! Tight & juicy haha).
Overall body - 8. 5/10 (petite, slightly more tan, MINOR stretch marks on ass, minimal body fat).
Personality - 7/10 (a bit more shy / not as chatty).
Service - 9/10. (knocked a point down off for personality).
Damage - 6,100 baht + 200 for 1 beers.

Where do I start? She wasn't as personable as the girl from the night before. But per my previous post, this girl performed an exorcism on me LOL.
She had one GRADE A,THAI-DA (USDA joke) pussy. Supple, tight but not too tight. Embraced my cock like god had found me.

Typical beginning of session. A little chatting & soapy massage.
To the bed! (Where part of my soul still lies).
Started with cowgirl, up & down like a amusement park ride. Subtle ass to thigh clap clap CLAP. That was when I decided to start my own religion. "Pussy-ianity".
Changed to mish for a hot second & moved onto the doggy.
I believe riding her from behind dropped my IQ to caveman status. Fuck was that hot as hell as I pounded away at that sweet little thing.

Not sure what's happened to me but perhaps this trip to Thailand has gotten rid of my problem of finishing too early HAHA. Have fucked like a champ w/ cum on command ability.
Finished with about 20 min to spare, cleaned up and headed out.

Conclusion.
I'm unsure if I even want to consider going to other soapies now. The Lord has spoiled me rotten!
After having been let down by Emmanuelle & Poseidon, don't know if others are worth considering. Would appreciate any thoughts?
In all honesty, not to give off the wrong impression. I use a lot of "ungraceful" terms in my post simply as an easy means of primal expression!
I am glad that I can enjoy these experiences while still treating these ladies with respect & common decency.

CHEERS! Not looking forward to leaving Bangkok... 3 more nights to go. More reviews to come. (Also have been posting GOGO reviews on General Bangkok Reports)

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2109689]....Not sure what's happened to me but perhaps this trip to Thailand has gotten rid of my problem of finishing too early HAHA. Have fucked like a champ w/ cum on command ability.
Finished with about 20 min to spare, cleaned up and headed out....
[/QUOTE]I think you need to give the ladies some credit for making it a better experience for you.

People usually learn from their experience and become good at what they do, when they do it a lot. And that's how it is with many Thai P4P ladies.

These ladies know how to relax a guy and make him feel comfortable with them. And it's not just about them knowing how to act with a guy. I can say from my own experience of doing many ladies, that after a while, I started liking a much wider range of looks in ladies, than I did before. The same probably happens with ladies who have sex with many different guys.

I think having sex with many guys changes how these ladies feel about guys. They probably become a lot less choosy than normal in the kind of guys they like and enjoy being with. Which means that your Thai lady probably isn't acting with you, when she shows some liking for you. She just has learned to like guys like you, and she is being sincere with you. And that's why it works so well with you.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2109496]Good report Phazze93. I like the Lord too. It is my favorite soapy in BKK.

When you elect to pay with credit card you have the option of being charged in local currency or dollars. ALWAYS SELECT THE LOCAL CURRENCY. THE EXCHANGE RATE IS THEN CALCULATED BY THE CURRENT INTER-BANK RATE AND IS THEREFORE EXTREMLY GOOD. Be sure to use a credit card that does not charge an FX transaction fee.

I read another BM's comments about the loss of privacy concerning the use of credit cards. I hope this does not start a 2 week discussion on the subject, but I always use credit cards in soapies, oilies, saunas, G-Clubs, nightclubs, and even in Go Go's when I run up a significant tab. I am not married, I am self employed, and I am not planning on running for Congress, so the government can kiss my ass. I will spend my money anyway I want. Besides, there is no real privacy in the modern age. Privacy is an illusion.[/QUOTE]I once used my credit card at cupidity (the soapy that is more or less a rip-off joint that taxi drivers like to take people too). What was strange was that they never charged me, but I paid in baht too (1500 baht). A few months later, credit card # was stolen and 1000 left my bank account (refunded by my bank, but still a hastle).

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2109505]They were at opposite ends of the spectrum. I liked Nataree too, for their young Northern Thai girls and for the most part the simple straight forward Thai boy / Thai girl sex they provided. But in terms of service and opulence, the Lord was/is vastly superior and Lord girls were/are generally a few years older, more refined in appearance, and much more raunchy in bed thanks to their being much better trained and managed as sexual providers. Nataree was a pussy meat market. The Lord is a palace. LOL.

Nataree has been closed for a couple of years now. I occasionally miss the joint. The Lord is my favorite soapy in BKK.[/QUOTE]Ha this makes me miss nataree. It really was different than the other places (probably because it was illegal in that most of the girls there were illegal workers from myanmar / Laos / Cambodia).

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2109510]

I just visited Poseidon & Emmanuelle and still wound up back at The Lord.
Poseidon. What a joke. Their girls were just low grade. No offense to the girls obviously. Their 3rd floor "models" Hell naw.
Emmanuelle. Overall quality of girls was better than Poseidon but still a bit too old for my taste.
I am going to post my 2nd review of The Lord later. Once I recover from getting my soul pulled out from the tip of my cock haha.[/QUOTE]I used to live walking distance to Poseidon 2 years ago. This is exactly how I remember it from 2015, a joke (But in 2013 it was actually alright). I would only go there to see 1 girl a few times since she gave really good service (not a looker but not bad looking). And yes their third floor of models looks like a retirement home for washed up hookers LOL.

Emmanuelle can be pretty bad sometimes, like walk in and there is nothing I would want to pay for. I noticed it has groups of 4 mongers (saw 2 groups of 4, 8 total) come in and just snatch all the decent and even semi-decent ones up and it leaves their floor with no talent at all. Have to be lucky and get there early. I go there often because a regular of mine (who visits my condo for free in exchange for me visiting her work each time) is there that I book so I am familiar with what their floor looks like. It's pretty bleak most times, but sometimes their walk-in talent is ok.

The thing about most soapies is that the real talent / lookers are not sitting on the sofas / sidelines / fishbowl, but in the rooms or already booked and sitting in the managers area waiting for their booking.