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[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1154146]if a person has been given only a month, year, or five years to live, there is little reason for a guy to worry about getting infected.[/QUOTE]Besides of course caring about spreading diseases to the girls or other mongers. I guess if you are about to die, who cares, right?
[quote=chill out;1154181]besides of course caring about spreading diseases to the girls or other mongers. i guess if you are about to die, who cares, right?[/quote]i think the human mind is not prepared to say "i am going to die, hell, let's have fun!"
most likely in the last period of such a disease you are most likely so sick you do not think about having fun.
in the early period, you might not believe what you have, you tend to remove the issue, you tend to think "not me, i am feeling ok, i am fighting the disease". so it is not you are "spreding the disease in a voluntary way under the "who cares about the others", but most likely in a careless way.
probabluy the same stae of mind of the guy, driving drunk and speeding. he feels nothing can happen to him, happens always to the others. if he kills somebody by driving drunk he is not voluntarily doing it but he is in a careless mood.
i am not justifying, i am trying to assign a mind status.
still i do believe that acting careless (before getting a disease and doing it bb all the time, before getting drunk but starting to drink heavily) has a degree of condemnable behaviour.
Actually, stroking a pussy bareback comes naturally to most guys and feels much better than putting a piece of rubber on their penis, so there is no need for them to get in any particular frame of mind to bareback. They just follow their instincts. Sex is a highly personal thing and the last thing a guy will be thinking of is the welfare of other mongers who may bareback the same girl. In fact other mongers should be in no danger of catching diseases if they are using a rubber so any spreading of diseases should be limited to the bareback monger community and the girls serving it. The only people from the safe sex crowd in danger are the ones who don't practice what they preach.
To use or not to use? We are all grew men here nothing anyone going to say including me is going to change anyones mind although the science is available. Why? Because it feels damn good even for those that preach condoms. We all have slipped it in from time to time?
I have worked along individuals that had Aids before they even knew what it was! I seen the affects of the slow dying process and heard the conversation from them that they like to " live for today " I never said it to anyone of their faces including the last guy in 1994, who one day said he had Aids for a number of years and that the cocktails that he was taking had given out on him. I told him that I had known for sometime and that I had seen the signs along with his absentee record. Seven months later he was dead and I remember years before he said he like to " live for today " at his service all I can think to myself was " he live for today and today was here ".
Everyone be safe and if that time comes remember to deal with it like a man like my co-worker.
Blankqu,
You got one of the best tools the lord gave you! Use your tongue and eyes to locate her heavens gate?
LBM
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1154181]Besides of course caring about spreading diseases to the girls or other mongers. I guess if you are about to die, who cares, right?[/QUOTE]Well, I was referring to the risk to the dying individual BBer himself, not to the possible effects upon others. If any guy didn't want to put others in danger of STDs through sexual activities, he'd need to be a virgin for the rest of his life. But most of us here are willing to put ourselves in one degree or another of danger rather than do that.
BBing is one of many risky sexual practices, but has also been used for thousands of years to keep the human race from extinction. While it is one of the most dangerous activities in the bedroom, if you are having sex at all with another you are also entertaining a level of danger yourself. Who's to say what level is acceptable or right? Is a BBBJ ok, or should it be covered? What about DATY, DFK, AR, BLS, and other rubberless activities?
"According to a 2000 report by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) , correct and consistent use of latex condoms reduces the risk of HIV / AIDS transmission by approximately 85% relative to risk when unprotected."
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom#In_preventing_STDs[/url]
This is based on "correct and consistent use of latex condoms", but in the real world of human error those figures would go down, as explained here:
"Hand out all the condoms you want, make sure they are used, and there will still be an epidemic of STDs and unplanned pregnancy. Condoms have been around for centuries, in one form or another. They have never been reliable. Today, IF a condom is used CORRECTLY (12 step process) and CONSISTENTLY, and there are no defects in the condom, and it does not break; a user might have an 85% protection rate against HIV, or pregnancy. In the real world, where the users are drunk, or stoned, it's dark, and he is rushing. Are you getting the picture?"
[url]http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/nov/27/anthony-westbury-bowed-but-not-beaten-hivaids-st/?partner=yahoo_feeds[/url]
It looks like condoms were giving me a false sense of security.
However if a BBer wanted to continue BBing and reduce the risk to others, then he could think about how to do so and take the appropriate actions. For example, he might get tested, encourage his partners to do the same, limit himself to a monagamous relationship, not practice rough sex, seek to reduce the vaginal tearing during intercourse, and so forth.
For example, both me and the two girls I've decided to continue BBing, and who say they are only seeing me, have been tested recently. All tests showed no signs of any STDs, whether major or minor. Hopefully those you are doing with a condom are the same or at least the rubber does not fail you.
Tears during sex are a major contributing factor to getting HIV, but if a guy has a small penis, is circumcised, doesn't practice rough sex, and his girl's pussy is like fucking the grand canyon, all of these factors reduce friction and the likelihood of tearing. Such a guy, myself included, may be safer from HIV than many guys using a condom that may be defective, break, or slip off inside or outside the girl.
The purpose of sex is to propagate the species. When one slides into a fucklet's hot wet beaver it gives a feeling of intense pleasure and deep satisfaction. It's is that very sensation that makes mongers undergo the expense and danger of hunting beaver on distant shores with low standards of living. Take away that exquisite feeling of skin to skin raw sex and the thrill is gone! Our species is one that thrives on risk. Men have gone to the moon, climbed mountains and dived to the depths of the oceans. It can argued that these endeavors were extremely risky, hazardous to life and possibly totally unnecessary. Yet such adventures are pursued at great expense. Our species tends to reward risk taking. After all, the natural reproductive process requires barebacking at some point to pass our genes onto future generations. Those too terrified to bareback would fail to reproduce and eventually die off resulting in natural selection for those with the propensity to bareback against all odds.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1154146]In the past in this thread I opposed BB sex quite strongly. But now based on a number of factors, including HIV no longer being considered the death sentence it once was, I think the case against going ruberless is less strong. In fact I'd suggest that in some cases it is quite reasonable to practice condomless sex, and I am even presently doing so. For example, if a person has been given only a month, year, or five years to live, there is little reason for a guy to worry about getting infected. Compare the following quote:
"I wouldn't even tell my patients who enjoyed cigarettes to stop smoking because it didn't seem to make a lot of sense if we were talking about survival in terms of months and a few years."
[url]http://www.medindia.net/news/HIV-No-Longer-a-Death-Sentence-Conference-Told-24024-1.htm[/url][/QUOTE]We had all this crap on the other forum until you were banned for trolling. Now you have arrived here to sell your encyclopedias. I'm not going to bother to get involved, other than to say if you think HIV / AIDS is now cured and it's simply a matter of taking a couple of pills a day for the rest of your life with no other effects then you are very much mistaken. By barebacking on a regular basis you put yourself at risk (who cares) , the girls (I care) and anybody they have unprotected sex with (which I accept probably includes the majority of us very infrequently).
And don't get me started on the pregnancy risks.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1154253]any spreading of diseases should be limited to the bareback monger community and the girls serving it. The only people from the safe sex crowd in danger are the ones who don't practice what they preach.[/QUOTE]Some people manage that crazy ability of caring for someone other than themselves. Crazy, I know.
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1154683]Just for the record, HIV still is very much a death sentence, you just don't die in 2 years like you did in 1985, but in 20. And during the 20 years you have to take very strong medications several times per day, that give you either permanent cold sweat, diarrhea, stomach aches, pimples, dizziness, mental fog, liver issues, or a combination of all and more. It's not a walk in the park.[/QUOTE]I find this comment very interesting and am wondering what you guys think. Re the first sentence I did an internet search on the words "HIV death sentence" and everywhere I looked people thought it was no longer considered as such. Re the second sentence quoted above, I am also seeing comments, as given below, that give a vastly different viewpoint. So do you think HIV is as bad as stated above?
"Over the years, drugs have been developed that can treat a wide range of medical problems, including HIV, and help people live longer and healthier lives. All drugs are tested to make sure they are safe and effective enough to be allowed on the market. However, all drugs can cause some effects that are different from what they were developed to do. These are called side effects.
"Like all medications, HIV drugs can cause side effects. In most cases, the side effects of HIV drugs are mild, like a headache or an upset stomach. In some cases, more serious side effects can happen, like liver damage or a severe skin rash.
"Side effects are most common during the first four to six weeks you are taking a new HIV medication. After your body gets used to the new drug, the side effects usually get better or go away.
[url]http://www.thewellproject.org/en_US/Treatment_and_Trials/Things_to_Consider/Side_Effects.jsp[/url]
"Currently, most ARV regimens are well-tolerated. HIV medications can have side effects which are described in the patient information leaflet of the label. Some may be nothing more than a minor inconvenience, while others may interrupt your daily routine or affect your quality of life by making you feel anxious, nauseous, or fatigued. Some side effects may affect your overall health.
"It is important to keep your doctor informed about how you are feeling and how you are tolerating your HIV medications. There may be simple steps you can take to relieve minor side effects. When a HIV medications causes severe side effects, your doctor may be able to prescribe treatments to combat them or they may suggest changing your treatment regimen.
[url]http://www.tibotec-hiv.com/bgdisplay.jhtml?itemname=side_effects[/url]
"Everyone responds to HIV medication differently. While one person may not experience any side effects from a given antiretroviral (ARV) medication, another may face side effects that are difficult to tolerate.
[url]http://www.tibotec-hiv.com/bgdisplay.jhtml?itemname=side_effects_by_category[/url]
"Many HIV patients (even those who are doing good on meds) have fatigue (good and bad days) which actually is common in the general population as well. Likely not due to the virus per se. The meds can contribute as can psychological state, amount of sleep, stress, other medical conditions, and other factors. KH.
[url]http://www.thebody.com/h/statins-side-effects-and-hiv-medication.html[/url]
"The risk of HIV medications depends on which one you're on. The newer medicines have less side effects than the older ones. The side effect profile of antiretral viral therapy has never been terrible. And some of the latest medications that are coming out in clinical trial, so far we haven't even seen any side effects. A couple of medications that are in clinical trials this year and that we hope will be FDA approved this year, such as the CCR5 Inhibitor Maraviroc, and the intergraze inhibitor Raltegravir, so far no side effects have been detected in clinical trials. Of course there's bound to be some side effects in some individuals. But obviously the rate is going to be very, very low, if so far they haven't detected any. And for example the components of Atripla, the side effects are not very frequent with most of the components. Tenofovir very rarely causes any side effect. Very, very rarely it may cause kidney problems, and so that has to be watched. FDC hardly ever causes any side effects in anybody. Sustiva can cause dizziness and funny dreams, and it's not the drug for absolutely everybody. But now we have so many drugs that if a patient has side effects from their first regiment that they are given for their heart treatment, then we can switch them to another one. Which almost certainly won't, but if they're unlucky on the second one we can put them to a third or a fourth. So my goal is to always find a heart regiment that a patient will have no side effects from whatsoever. And that's the case for the majority of my patients. It's a little harder if patients has experienced a lot of drugs and have become resistant to a lot of drugs, and you don't have as many choices. But for patients newly infected who haven't got any resistance, we'll pretty much always find a regiment now that they can take without any side effect.
[url]http://www.videojug.com/interview/hiv-treatment-side-effects[/url]
I think HIV is more like a diabetes these days. Many people don't consider diabetes as a "death sentence" like HIV but diabetes still kills many people slowly. It reduces the life expectancy of the people who have it by many years, possibly even something like 10-15 years much like HIV. Neither HIV nor diabetes can be cured. You need lots of medication in both cases. Please do not take any risks cause HIV is still a very serious disease but it is researched a lot nowadays. There is a good chance of a vaccine in the near future. And when there is a vaccine there it usually a cure so if you catch HIV today you would probably die of it in 10-20 years and it is possible that there will be in a cure in that time frame and you won't die of it.
The problem of HI virus is that it mutates so much. That makes it very difficult to create a vaccine against it but it is certainly possible.
Pinkpearl: my comment was from personal experience. I have several friends with HIV. As I said, it's not a walk in the park.
[quote=pinkpearl; 1153726]it is implied one is safer if they do not have "rough sex" because of the "friction" caused by such that would increase the likelihood of tears which open a gateway for the hiv virus to potentially reach the skin on the body of the uninfected:
"tears (often microscopically small) in the membrane linings of the genital tracks, especially in the anal-rectal area, also make it easy for the virus to enter the sex partner's bloodstream. because the membrane linings of body cavities, epecially in the anal-rectal area, and, to a lesser extent, in the vagina, are very delicate, they can be torn as a result of friction generated during sexual intercourse. (rough sex, dry sex and forced sex or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] often lead to friction, tears and bleeding.)"
[url]http://www.health.am/aids/more/transmission_through_sexual_acts/[/url][/quote]the safety is most important.
It is my first post so I thought I would try to make it a bit interesting. I was neither for or against BB until key moments in my life changed my views. I usually cover up, but in the heat of the moment and on the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] I don't do it. I have worked and played throughout West Africa, Southern Africa, Thailand and Cambodia. 50% or more has been BB. I shake my head when ever I look back on what I did. I used to think I was lucky. Anyway here are some interesting facts that I pulled up.
Infant mortality rate in America is (at a maximum).03. Chances of catching HIV through BB vaginal sex is. 05% (give or take due to many variables) So essentially this says that there is a similar chance of your child dying during birth as there is of getting HIV when fucking BB. I can see now that it wasn't luck for me. It was playing the % game. Don't get me wrong, now I have a misses (key moment one) and kids (key moment two) I will still always wear a condom, but heay, if I was single and had no commitments back home or no loved ones I would go BB all the time. If punters at casino's had those odds the casino's would go broke! AND I ain't talken broke back mountain! Haha and I'm glad to be on this site. Looking forward to being in Pattaya on the 3rd of July!
References
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map3.6Maternal_Mortality_compressed.jpg/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV
Sorry guys, I thought I was on PA! This is my second post on ISG. Bloody Guinea, West Africa is getting to me. Well the beer is anyway.
[QUOTE=Vestax01; 1163732]It is my first post so I thought I would try to make it a bit interesting. I was neither for or against BB until key moments in my life changed my views. I usually cover up, but in the heat of the moment and on the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] I don't do it. I have worked and played throughout West Africa, Southern Africa, Thailand and Cambodia. 50% or more has been BB. I shake my head when ever I look back on what I did. I used to think I was lucky. Anyway here are some interesting facts that I pulled up.
Infant mortality rate in America is (at a maximum).03. Chances of catching HIV through BB vaginal sex is. 05% (give or take due to many variables) So essentially this says that there is a similar chance of your child dying during birth as there is of getting HIV when fucking BB. I can see now that it wasn't luck for me. It was playing the % game. Don't get me wrong, now I have a misses (key moment one) and kids (key moment two) I will still always wear a condom, but heay, if I was single and had no commitments back home or no loved ones I would go BB all the time. If punters at casino's had those odds the casino's would go broke! AND I ain't talken broke back mountain! Haha and I'm glad to be on this site. Looking forward to being in Pattaya on the 3rd of July!
References.
[url][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map3.6Maternal_Mortality_compressed.jpg/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV[/url][/QUOTE]Ohhhh boy do the math, you get born once but BB how many times?
The possibility is "times of BB sex" x possibility.
On my last 3 weeks trip I had about 26 girls. That times. 05 is already 1. Something. Adding up all my years in asia if I would go BB every time I would have an infection risk of more then 200.