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Look fellas you guys are beating a dead horse to death? Not everyone wearing shorts is smelly etc. If this is the only defense you guys have get another one. It does not take a rocket scientist or a lot of common sense to understand given the choice to a girl she rather go with a guy that does not smell. I was recently sitting with a stunner why she was sitting with me I have no idea and another girl slightly a notch below. The stunner her breath was like WOW, I'm getting dizzy baby, and the other great fun. Guess who I choose not rocket science.
I'm been in a few situation not at places like I-BAR, but at Isaan Bars, that other girls with my shorts and etc. Even at my age give me looks just as noted by Skogis situation. A few years back I took a girl from the Darkside a regular, the longer I was seeing her I noticed she took advantage of situation like telling me not to see others in her bar etc. But I notice whenever she was with me when I was talking you could see or feel her looking elsewhere for other customers it was a bad habit / ignoring plus I was getting tired or her. I told her here is some taxi money and went over to another table where I knew some other girls from a go go and drank with them.
Now I don't know if I smell, my breath was bad, I was not handsome enough for her any longer or just too old, or wearing shorts showing my chicken legs but there are just too many fishes in the sea to worry about who might go or pick me because of my shorts. To end, I do not wear T-shirts out always got a collar.
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Outcome
[QUOTE=Skogis;1674067]I allways read debates regarding grooming and clothing with interest and to myself that means I take my pride in beeing well groomed and nicely dressed. As others if I will visit nightclubs I dress in cool jeans, nice shoes and collared shirt. This is mandatory in Hi so nightclubs in BKK but I still wear them even going to more FL directed venues. Pattaya very well be a resort town but I doubt anyone would show up in Hawais Honululu hottest nightspot wearing shorts and flip flops. But each to his own. In various venues the best stunners can allways choose and even if most of them are there for the money but atleast if it is a draw between a young nicely fit and well dressed stud and a filthy fat bad smelling old hairy victoria bitter singletwearing hunk in their offering I bet in 1001/1000 the stunner choose the first one. I don't think they even have to be the top stunners picking like this. That beeing said i dont give a shit how other mongers dress ofcourse. We are all different. Mostly i wear shorts in warm countries this is only reflecting my views for the clubbing. In places like Hillary3 BKK soi 11 i can ofcourse very well pop in for a cold brew in shorts and flip flops(sorry i dont have any names for u regarding pattis as i only go nightclubs in pattis and 2 days max)...
A couple of weeks ago I was in Insomnia. Showed up a Monday morning around 1 am and the place was pumping. People nursing their one beer was occupying tables so when I ordered my usual btl service the staffs got me a table seating by the wall all by myself. It is nice to relax a moment to get pumped up and ship a few drinks before picking out tonights victim. Speaking about victims! At the table infront of me (close to the small dancing stage) I saw this stunning girl with a guy looking as described above (he had another singlet brand though). I never try to pick a girl occupied so I just looked at her (as I believe we all do), felt sorry for her and moved on to my own business. While I was drinking a few girls came over to my table for the interviewroutine and chemistry check. I could not help to notice the mentioned girl (the most beautiful I did see present, without me seeing them all of them ofcourse as it is dimmed lights, dance stage blocking views to the oposite wall, atleast part of it) was looking away from his bloke and towards me. A few times the bloke catched her in looking at other guys as well and he grabbed her hand hard and shook her. What he was saying I don't know but he did not look happy so it was probably not anything nice. At one point he obviously had to go somewhere so I saw he pointed his fingers towards her probably ordering her to stay at the table and not move. My eyes were only dragged to their table because of his stupid behaviour as he drawed himself to the attention. I also saw other people reacting. When he finaly left her alone for a while I tried on purpose not to look at her. At one point I did and she smiled to me and jumped our to my table. Almost before she arrived my table and without us beeing able to say anything this old bloke jumped out from somewhere and dragged her away. He eyeballed me as in a threatning way but I did not mind and just smiled to him. I could smell his very bad cologne with the mix of a heavy smell of sweat. Poor girl. In another world where I was a cockblocker or a,guy stealing other mens girls I would have done it here. She was lovely. In this world I could not. I felt in a way saving her in a smart funny way but all in all I guess this happens anywhere and many times a day so I did put it to rest.
So in short if you are a smelling old fart with no sense of normal behaviour don't take your pricewife / BF / GF whatsoever and atleast not take her to a pretty decent nightclub as Insomnia (not perfect but in Pattis standards it is good) surrounded with good looking-, well dressed-, fairly young- and most importantly, nice people. If you can not live up to those standards stay at a side soi bar. If you are afraid of loosing your girl you should think about that prior to going out. Poor girl. Flaming ends.[/QUOTE]So the moral of the story was? He still did her later that night. Maybe in the morning and next afternoon too.
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[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1674342]So the moral of the story was? He still did her later that night. Maybe in the morning and next afternoon too.[/QUOTE]+ 1, the reality is no one force her to go with Smelly. Smelly didn't start smelling when he got to the Disco, nor did he change to shorts when he got there. It was her choice and in the end she got paid Smelly or not.
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[QUOTE=ManOfMystery;1674275]Really excited for my first trip to Thailand. My mongering experience entails a couple trips to Sosua in the DR but Pattaya seems like it will be a whole new ballgame. I'm a 39 yr old American teaching in China. Thanks for all the great information provided on here. I arrive in Bangkok at 11:15 pm on the 7th of February. My hotel is offering to pick me up for 1800 which seems like a lot. I'm staying at OZO Pattaya. I hope that it's not too far out of the way. I looked at some other hotels that were recommended but they were either out of my price range or booked. If I just pick up a taxi out of the airport in Bangkok, how likely are they to find my hotel in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]The location of OZO is OK. Bars on Second Road and LK Metro are at walking distance. Walking Street is a bit further away but not really far, you can either walk all the way (15 min.) or walk to Beach Road and take a bath bus from there.
If you print out the hotel's address, preferably in Thai, then it shouldn't be too difficult to find. Try to find a driver from Pattaya in the arrival hall who has just dropped of a customer. He will be happy to drive you for about 1000 to 1200 bath. But please negotiate and ask if the highway tolls are included or not!
Alternatively you can arrange a taxi in advance. There are several email addresses mentioned on this forum of reliable drivers.
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[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1674244]I'm going to wear two different color flip-flops, pocket shorts, and a bad wife-beater one night, and business casual the next just to prove I can get laid in either.[/QUOTE]Mr. 19 is new around here, so he can be forgiven for not knowing about three classic debates that periodically erupt. (1) How to dress. (2) How much to pay. (3) How much better Pattaya was "Back in the Day. " No worries. Mr. 19's innocent query gave a bunch of the cranky old farts a chance to wax eloquent about sartorial style, and what's better than that?
Actually, just about anything. So as the consultants like to say I'll try to add value here by recommending something that has heretofore gone unsaid.
Everyone knows that the sex game, even the paid sex game, is 99 percent mental. So as far as I'm concerned your attire matters less than your ATTITUDE. Thais prefer to hang out with people who are "sanook," which means fun or enjoyable. They prefer leisure time activities which are sanook. One of the nicest compliments a Thai can bestow is to say you are "jai dee," which loosely translated means you have a "good heart." Again, the emphasis is on attitude, empathy, consideration, and, dare I say, sensitivity.
So my advice to Mr. 19, is to wear whatever the hell he wants during his maiden trip to Pattaya. But work hard to be fun and to have a good heart, whether he's dealing with the working girls, the service girls, the old ladies fixing him a bowl of noodles or that gritty motorcycle taxi guy. As others have noted, the 80 percent experience should be easy to come by. So don't worry about that last 20 percent. You are on holiday, after all. For somebody who says he's never ever spent time on the naughty boy circuit, the first trip to Pattaya will be overwhelming enough.
Bunky
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[QUOTE=Adrenaline19;1674244]Some of you are complaining about the weirdest stuff; talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.
I'm going to wear two different color flip-flops, pocket shorts, and a bad wife-beater one night, and business casual the next just to prove I can get laid in either. I'm going to walk down the middle of WS with a flag just like those tour groups, except mine will say "bad dresser, smart fucker".
You guys need to lighten up and remember this is one of the greatest experiences our world has to offer. Who cares what color underwear you put on this morning! Rock it like a champion!
Now somebody post some reports. I need something to read when I take a shit later today.[/QUOTE]Dude you have a lot of opinions for someone who came to this forum a few days ago looking for advice. Or do I smell a Troll?
SL.
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Personal hygiene
My dear friend that is a downright racist comment. I am an Indian and have traveled a lot and in many countries including Thailand several times. I have never even once been rejected due to my ethnicity. It's a matter of personal hygiene and attitude. I have come across a lot of smelly characters in all countries I have traveled to, but I don't link that as their national character. There are guys who are clean, smell nice and are dressed in a decent attire and generally well behaved in all countries and then there are the smelly, arrogant ones also. So let us not generalize.
[QUOTE=Steve7777;1674102]Is the guy with bad body odour an INdiAn?[/QUOTE]
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Shorts / No shorts
People will wear what they want. If you need to tell somebody to shower, you're wasting your time. They are a lost cause.
If the shorts / no shorts debate continues it may be time for a separate thread. Can we move on? I can't believe how long this topic has gone on.
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[QUOTE=Allover;1674537]People will wear what they want. If you need to tell somebody to shower, you're wasting your time. They are a lost cause.
If the shorts / no shorts debate continues it may be time for a separate thread. Can we move on? I can't believe how long this topic has gone on.[/QUOTE]If you're able to open a separate thread on garments or anything else, please go ahead. Sorry if the discussion has not entertained you.
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[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1674538]If you're able to open a separate thread on garments or anything else, please go ahead. Sorry if the discussion has not entertained you.[/QUOTE]JESUS H CHRIST! I regret ever broaching this subject. Guys lets move the hell on!
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Good work out
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1673782]Like I indicated " keep it in perspective" It is not just Indians, I know and met people here maybe from reading things about Thailand that you can always bargain everything down it sticks to your head and then there are the stubborn one who will not listen and get offended at the mention.
I was like this once. I did it unconscious. Was in Bangkok staying at Nana, I walked all the way to the US Embassy it was over a 100 degrees. Once done we came outside and decided lets take a tuk tuk back, yes tuk tuk that was how long it was, the guy said 50 baht I usually pay 30 baht, so decided to walk back thinking I was getting ripped off for 20 baht more. When I got back I laugh at myself thinking what a stupid fuck I was.
I've seen guys run around town looking to save 5 baht on a Broom. But have no problem of paying double for pussy or have their 4 cups of coffee at Starbucks?[/QUOTE]To LittleBigman.
I like to walk in while I am in China and asia you sweat it out get a good work out not to save a few bht, I lose about 15 lb on my last trip now back in the US gain it all back.
Fast eddie 48.
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[QUOTE=Bunky;1674503]Everyone knows that the sex game, even the paid sex game, is 99 percent mental. So as far as I'm concerned your attire matters less than your ATTITUDE. Thais prefer to hang out with people who are "sanook," which means fun or enjoyable. They prefer leisure time activities which are sanook. One of the nicest compliments a Thai can bestow is to say you are "jai dee," which loosely translated means you have a "good heart." Again, the emphasis is on attitude, empathy, consideration, and, dare I say, sensitivity.
Bunky[/QUOTE]That's the best advise I have seen on these forums in a while. Your attitude is the most important part after your wallet, not your pants LOL.
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[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1674342]So the moral of the story was? He still did her later that night. Maybe in the morning and next afternoon too.[/QUOTE]My moral of the story was "girl in chain" with an obvious controlling old smelly bloke with a far to pretty girl for him to bring at least to this venue (a typical mismatch in almost all aspects. It was not a pretty sight and looked sad. But except from that you and others are right she probably end up with him voluntarily in the first place. But treating a lady good, paid or not, is to me mandatory.
Others than that I agree with our Croatian friend, lets move on. How to dress subjects pops up every now and then (many times also in BKK thread).
Happy mongering.
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[QUOTE=Allover;1674537]
If the shorts / no shorts debate continues it may be time for a separate thread. Can we move on? I can't believe how long this topic has gone on.[/QUOTE]I agree, let's cut it short.
Oh, I'm sorry!
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[QUOTE=Allover;1674537]People will wear what they want. If you need to tell somebody to shower, you're wasting your time. They are a lost cause.
If the shorts / no shorts debate continues it may be time for a separate thread. Can we move on? I can't believe how long this topic has gone on.[/QUOTE]Within all the shorts or no shorts, between the lines I'm finding out lots of information about mongering in clubs and do and don't.
A19, you can take a shit quicker if you wear shorts.