Cartagena Reports

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hi, guys.

i would like your opinion on this matter, since i'm still a rookie in terms of semi-pros.

on wednesday morning, i contacted a 20 y/o girl from cybercupido. two hours later, my cell phone rings. she wants to meet me that afternoon. i let her know that i wanted to visit the castellana mall, so she agreed to the plan but asked me twice to pay for her cab to my apartment, which costed cop 9k. no problem.

she arrived by 4 pm, wearing a tiny top, a micro skirt and 6" stiletto heels. first warning sign: why is this girl dressing so provocatively on the first date? she looked much better in person than in her pictures, and definitely had a charming personality.

on the ride to castellana mall she lets me know that she lives in turbaco, a far away suburb 1 hour from cartagena and cop 25k ride on cab, as of her and the driver. second warning sign: should i deal with a girl who costs cop 25k to move around for almost every event?

on the mall, it seemed that we were aliens from the outer space. construction workers, security guards, etc, all were staring at her in a semi-hypnotic state.

we went for some drinks, and she starts to tell me that she has a lot of "friends" from abroad (an american who didn't meet her and wanted to marry her, lots of italians who wanted to hook up with her and just arriven in ctg, etc). third warning sign: this girl appears to be a money collector from gringos. as of her, she is a student and goes out very often to santo domingo square, so she partially fits the description of the semi-pro described previouly.

we continue chatting, and she perceives that i'm too calm for her. "you take things too easily. guys are usually uncomfortable around me". fourth warning sign: she looks for clues to control me.

while chatting, she asks me what would i do that night. i tell her that we may go to dinner out and then rumba, and if she behaves well we may go to rosario islands the next day. she suggests the famous club de pesca, a place that i wanted to visit and doesn't seem to be very affordable. ok.

then, she said that she wanted to look nice for tonight and asks me if i can bring her to a beauty lounge to pump up her hair. i ask her how much and she says a few thousands, cop 20k or less. first red flag: the girl starts to ask for things right from the bat. i make an exception and let he do so.

once in the lounge, i perceive the sneers fom the customers there, as the typical gringo spending money on a girl half his age. well... it's a price to pay for accepting such request. she starts to get bossy "sit there 20 minutes and wait for me". no way, i leave the lounge and wandered around the mall.

castellana mall has many beautiful girls walking around. not tons, and not all gorgeous, but i agree that it may be a good place to find non-pros. it is much smaller than chipichape or unicentro in cali, though.

30 minutes later, she leaves the store with a beautiful hair job. we take a cab back to laguito.

during the drive back, just for checking, i ask the driver "how much is a ride from bocagrande to turbaco?". before he gives a number, she jumps in and says "it's cop 40k, isn't it?". second and last red flag: this girl wants to get a commission from a cab ride! she wasn't clever enough to remember that she quoted me cop 25k before...

when we arrive to laguito, i take cop 18k, give it to the driver and say: "gentleman, this is the only money i have. is it much of a problem that you bring this girl to turbaco?" the driver looked at me as if i was robbing him at gun point, and the girl was speechless. the 10 second tension moment was broken by the her "no problem... i pay the rest". i kissed her and get off the cab.

that's the story.

my questions are:
- should guys expect to pay for all these perks from semi-pros?
- should you have zero tolerance to her requests on that matter?
- do you find this type of female species very often among semi-pros?

thanks.

hope this helps,

andres

Good to get rid of her right off the bat because she sounds like she would have been a much bigger problem in the near future. All your red flags were correct and well timed, thank-god your red flag BS detector is working and in place, which is non-existent to some dumb-ass gringos. I can honestly say you saved alot headache in the near future.. My diagnosis, not sure if she was a hard-core puta, but maybe a hard-core gold-digger who has alot of experience doing what shes doing. You are in control and you were right to have zero-tolerance! Good Move!

If I were you I would have shagged her and then sent her home. But that's just me. I'm one of the bestards, as Giotto in Bangkok says.

I agree with Miami HeatLuver: not entirely sure whether she was a puta at all, since there was no P4P offer forthcoming, but based on the warning signs/red flags, she very well could have been, and at the very least, she is a gold-digging non-pro who specializes in leading on foreigners while giving up nothing in return.

I mean, she claims to be a student living far from the old town, doesn't have money for cab fare, but is constantly hanging out in foreigner-frequented joints? And if she is such a poor student, why does she even suggest Club de Pesca... unless she has been taken there before by a rich foreigner? They are all indicative of a semi-pro.

Could she have been a "regular girl". I don´t know, possibly. The non-pro I met in Cartagena last November actually took me to Castellana mall to get her hair done (and like you, I also didn´t spend the 30 minutes waiting for her!), but she paid for it. She also suggested to go to Club de Pesca, but for drinks only (I paid), and whenever we moved around by cab, I paid for it, too, though never for her to meet me at my hotel or go back to her place. Excursions, we did together, and I paid. She had a very decent FT job, a nice house, she invited me there for dinner and to meet the entire family. And in the end, she even visited me in Barranquilla at her own expense to give me a farewell shag.

I think regardless of whether these girls have money or not, they are all looking for their "principe azul" or their "media naranja", and yes, they do expect the gentleman to pick up the tab on certain things, wine them and dine them, romance them, make them look good, show them a life style their limited resources may not permit them. But only to a certain extent. I am basing this assessment on my own experience with "regular" girls I have meet in Cartagena, Bogotá, and Barranquilla. But what your girl did is just so extreme that it is borderline using you like a "walking ATM".

Lesson to be learned: regardless of whether she is a semi-pro or not, it is the "non-pro" element of her that is expensive. Between cabs, the hair-do, drinks, you were out, what... COP 50 to 60K... and what did you get in return? Exactly nothing, other than an afternoon with a good-looking girl and a stroll at a mall.

Which goes to show again that sometimes, looking for "free sex" with alleged non-pros can be much more costly than straight-up P4P.

Good job to get rid of her in a hurry.

EA

Andres,

Pescaste un tiburon en vez de una sardina. You caught a shark instead of a sardine. Luckily for you, you had the self discipline to cut the line before she bit any deeper into your wallet.

You should not have to pay for these perks for a semi-pro that early in the game and certainly NOT up front before any action has transpired. Perks should be performance based rewards not free handouts. Zero tolerance is the right stance to take on such matters. Her requests, or demands rather, were quickly adding up to what some honest to goodness pro action would have cost you without all the nonsense.

Yes, you'll find that this particular species of female shark, a hardcore pro masquerading as a semi-pro, is quite commonly encountered. Remember a true semi-pro should be working to protect your money from the cab drivers and touts, not enticing them to fleece you and then give her a cut. A good semi-pro relies on the high quality of services provided to get payment with a bonus at the end.

The sad thing is that the average clueless gringo would have met all of her demands and she probably would not have put out any pussy in the end. I mean why would she when she's getting so much out of the guys without having to? That's what you call million peso pussy.

MASAJES ROCIO

Yesterday, I decided to visit Masajes Rocío by 6-7 PM. I took a cab, and the driver quoted me COP 8K for Bruselas neighborhood. Good.

It takes 30-45 minutes to arrive there, due to the rush hour. The place looks like a typical Cali house, with no signs from the outside. Address was perfectly detailed from the Cartagena List thread.

Once there, I found no girls available. I was told that they just arrived and were dressing for the night. The driver and I ordered a soda and a beer (COP 8K) and waited for 30 minutes, sitted at a backyard ressembling more of a restaurant than of a massage parlor.

Prices of rooms were posted in USD on the wall, a sign that the place caters to tourists. USD 25 for 1 hour and USD 40 to take out. Girls charge USD 50 for 30 minutes. In COPs, it was a total of 150K for 1 hour inside.

Meanwhile, 5 girls appeared, very young and some really attractive. One big boobed caleña called Erica got my attention and wanted to drag me towards her room. She really had a nice body and rack. I was told that later there would be 30 girls or so.

I used my criteria of visiting the place before 8 PM since it is the time when they close in Cali. Well... they start at that time in CTG!

I offered the driver COP 40K for a whole ride around places and back to Laguito. He accepted.


VENUS NIGHT CLUB

We left Rocio and headed towards Venus. The driver passed by Pleyclub (I guess the famous Pleyboy Club) at a corner in Bosque. It looks very nice from the outside, but we didn't enter because we find out that girls arrive around 10-11 PM (the driver mentioned that this club has by far the best girls in CTG, and that the owner has another club in downtown called Diva's). We headed to Venus, instead.

This small night club is located a few blocks from Playclub, On the inside, it looks like a small version of a BA club with a dancing pole, but only 1 girl around 8:30 PM (although she looked very good). We left immediately. Next stop?


CASA DEL MARINO

Located in Bosque a little further away and surounded by industrial facilities, it looks scary to get there. You pass a car fence and cross a concrete patio, the saloon being at the back.

It is a very big place, with a long catwalk, poles and the such, and no less than 30 tables. As the driver mentioned, girls there were weaing only underwear and shoes. Unfortunately, only 2 girls, one of them (called Valentina) had one of the biggests racks I ever saw (38DDD?).

Prices? COP 160 for 1 hour inside and COP 330 for outside (COP 130K for the house and COP 200K for the girl). Not many girls, so we left.

With these prices, qualities and distances, after all, LDV ain't such a bad price/quality ratio...


CHICA LINDA

This is the tip of the day.

The driver mentioned a place catering to locals, called Chica Linda and located close to the Bomba de Lamparo, near the new bull ring. [url]www.chicalindabarshow.com[/url]

We get there by 9 PM. On the inside, it is very big and looks like Catto's in BA. I had been skeptic about the driver recommendation, since chaper places don't have good quality. However, of the the 15-20 girls on the saloon, at least 7 were doable. Let's say averaging 5-6, with eventual 7s.

Prices: COP 72K for 30 minutes (COP 60 the girl + COP 12K the house).

I chose a tall paisa girl called Estrella, who performed an excellent BBBJ. Rooms were very clean, much cleaner than at Flores Frescas. I paid COP 25K for a tip, although she wasn't asking for it.

Nice option. I also paid COP 14K for 4 beers and 1 soda.


DIVA'S

I went there by 11:45 PM. This place is located at a corner 1 block away from the Alcaldía building square / Old Customs building square.

On the inside, I was struck by the quality of the girls. It made me remember Black in BA, very fine chicks. On my scale, an average of 6-9 with an eventual 10 (a blonde just taken after my arrival).

I paid COP 5K for a soda (no cover) and watched the scene. A barman approached me explaining the prices: COP 150K for 1 hour and COP 300 for TLN, all inclusive. Not bad considering the quality and distance to Laguito, at least compared to Rocio and Casa del Marino.

I may return to take out that blonde.


TRIPLETERRA

Just passed by this place. It is a small bar lounge decorated as an eclectic BA's Palermo Hollywood bar. 3 small rooms where people drink and dance. Totally devoted to working girls, no non-pros there. Touts are allowed inside to sell flowers and the such.

Cover is COP 10K and a soda 8K (!). There's also a COP 10K fee for taking out the girl, but apparently no more fines. I saw 10 girls or so, averaging 5-7, one of which told me that they chare "COP 100K, or COP 150K", which means that they would eventually accept COP 100K or less for take out.

Making numbers, LDV has much better variety, quality and similar prices.


LDV

On my way back to the apartment, I spent an hour there (from 1:30 to 2:30 AM). Packed as hell, I saw no less than 40 girls and 30 guys, some of them really gorgeous (there was a big boobed girl wearing a light blue dress, sittted at the back, what's her name?). Some girls approached me, one of them called Alejandra, with dark eyes, nice face and a gorgeous body. Not may girls were going out with customers.

I'll be back to LDV, for sure.


Hope this helps,

Andres

Thanks for the feedback, guys.

As highly volatile stocks, I guess that semi-pros provide a bigger return with a bigger risk. With such loose rules, it wouldn't be unusual to find this kind of barracudas, but also you may find a truly GFE from time to time.

I liked particularly the quote from EA: "regardless of whether she is a semi-pro or not, it is the 'non-pro' element of her that is expensive." Maybe that's why American women hate so much h**ckers, because the alternative of clear transactions (money for sex) doesn't leave much room for playing men like this.

Thanks,

Andres

Paid sex is always cheaper than free sex, and it's alot more honest. Want the GFE? Do the same pro more than once, and do her in the daytime. Sex performance goes up, while the price goes down. For non-pro in Cartagena, if your game is high, troll the university area in the Old City. Be aggressive in your approaches. Set up a beach date and include a Riquismo meal, then back to your place. Maybe 15 bucks including taxi. The only shopping for a girl should be booze, and the Viagra you swallow. Thanks for the report on the lesser known places. Too pricey for the inconvenience, except maybe Pleyboy, which has the hottest chicks in CTG by far.

Nice to see some savvy mongers giving sound advice. At least with a high priced hooker the ROI (return on investment) is assured (: You can find middle class and rich girls that will mostly pay their own way while you romance them (obviously you pay for dinner and drinks but not for THEIR taxis etc).

Andres: BEWARE "Alejandra" (her LDV name) if she is the hottie in the pictures posted this week by both Tom and myself. As Tom so aptly put it, "she is a total whackjob".

Andres, yes I have met that type of girl from time to time.

Quite often they were hanging out as part of a group of female friends. In this situation I used to just home in on the sweeter / less problematic ones in the group.

Sometimes I have done what you did, give it a little time to figure out the situation, then cut her loose. I will do this if I think she has a really toxic personality and I'm not enjoying her company.

A good alternative is to just make a play for her straight away. These girls are pretty shameless in how they ask for stuff, they will not be shocked by a proposition, especially if you make it tactfully. Usually this type is available to the right offer (cash regalo) and will have no hesitation about fucking on the first meeting.

If you wait for a second or third date to try and build chemistry, it's just extra hassle cause you have to deal with her not turning up if she happens to have a better offer / be doing something interesting / be all drugged up at the time.

That is only one type of semi-pro or prepago, there are plenty of other types too... Some have regular day jobs etc, and they are pretty much good girls who will go with you if they like you. With this type, you would get there eventually "for free", but a cash regalo just gets you from A to B in the fastest way possible.

With a little time in Colombia, you would be amazed about what is available to you for the right offer.

Thanks for the casas round up. Have not been to Chicas Lindas or Divas, I'll check them out next time. A few months back, I posted in this thread of another low-mid end casa where I was lucky to find a really hot girl. It's a small place so it's totally up to chance, but it might be worth visiting if you are feeling adventurous again in the early evening.

Hi, guys.

Thanks again for the comments.

PLEYCLUB

Yesterday, I decided to visit Pleyclub by 11:30 PM. I was impressed by the significant marketing setup (barmen's polos and chairs had embroided the logo of the club). The cab charged me COP 10K to get there, no cover fee and COP 5K the drink.

It is a medium size place, with 20 tables or so and a dancing pole in the middle of the room. I saw 20 or so girls, some of them very beautiful but in average not much better than LDV. Girls tend to be leaner (too thin for my taste, but to each its own). I was quoted COP 160K (COP 150K minimum) for 1 hour inside and COP 310K for take out. Music is loud and shows play often, as in Nuevo Estilo in BA.

I'm still surprised that places such as Rocio or Casa del Marino charge as much as Pleyclub. My hunch is that these establishments set a common minimum price of COP 150K.

I saw 1 or 2 blodes (8-9 on my scale) who merit a further visit.


VENUS

My next stop was Venus, a boliche near Pleyclub (1.5 km away or so). There were 8-10 girls, several notches below Pleyclub. However, prices are the same (COP 150K for 1 hour inside). I saw a girl called Sandra, a beautiful lady from Manizales with big natural boobs and a naive look that made her very attractive (8.5 on my scale). Unfortunately, she didn't BBBJ, so no deal.

I was charged COP 14K for her beer and my soda (!). Maybe they slipped a car driver's drink on the tab, but expensive compared to Pleyclub.

Left the place and returned to Bocagrande. COP 12K the cab fare, waiting time included.


LDV

The place was less crowded than on Thursday. By 1:30, let's say 25 man and 35 ladies. Being my third visit, I started to perceive a pattern: Some girls sit always on the same spot. There is a group of the same 4-5 girls sitted in front of the dancing space (Sofía being one of them) as an unseparable group of friends. I approached one of them called Paola (an aledged paisa, brunette with with nice body and big rack). She had a very bad mood, to the point that she wanted to charge me COP 200K. I declined and she left immediately.

Then, I met another girl, one called Natalia, with so-so face but very nice body. She quoted COP 160K but finally accepted my COP 130K with BBBJ. We went to my apartment and had a good session.

Hope this helps.

Andres

[QUOTE=Andres]The driver mentioned a place catering to locals, called Chica Linda and located close to the Bomba de Lamparo, near the new bull ring. [url]www.chicalindabarshow.com[/url]

Andres[/QUOTE]Thanks for the casa updates Andres. Excellent info for my trip in 2 weeks.

Questions:

I see you went by the bull ring. Did you get any info on if they have any events in the next 4 weeks? Bull Fights or something else.

Are you going to Tayorana Park?? Sounds like a no because you don't have the fever card. Did you get any more info on how to get there etc???

Make sure to shell out just once for a 10. Why not.