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[QUOTE=OldKool;1940648]Every place I have every been there have always been more girls then guys. Most girls are lucky to get a guy a day. I think 6 is a fantasy. Most girls I have known were attractive but all struggled. Getting our money is not easy. We pick the best looking girl all the time. The competition for our dollars is fierce. It is my belief that many girls go home many nights with no action.[/QUOTE]
We're speaking about different scenes. "More girls than guys", at privées you normally don't see other clients so I guess you're speaking about termas. Terma-girls might have less business than privê-girls. Btw a privê in centro is in no way dependent of gringos with dollars. Their customers are mainly local guys working in centro.
My calculation might not have been realistic for the average privê-girl. The girls I pick are the best ones I find among roughly 40 centro-privées. Those girls have no problem getting 4-6 clients/day. They propably have better business than the average privê-girl who might only get 2-3 clients/day.
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[QUOTE=Sperto;1940670]We're speaking about different scenes. [/QUOTE]You are talking about WAY different scenes since he has never been to Brazil.
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[QUOTE=OldKool;1940648]Every place I have every been there have always been more girls then guys. Most girls are lucky to get a guy a day. I think 6 is a fantasy. Most girls I have known were attractive but all struggled. Getting our money is not easy. We pick the best looking girl all the time. The competition for our dollars is fierce. It is my belief that many girls go home many nights with no action.[/QUOTE]True, crisis,
Easy to find girls to fuck, difficult to find clients for money, in the termas many girls make zero, one, two or three clients a week, they have to share money with the terma, life is difficult in Brazil that is why many girls sell their ass to pay their bill, I met many girls complaining about the terma and wanting to leave because they live far and they are tired of travelling everyday for nothing.
Always more girls than guys, many guys just drink and watch the scene, the termas are more and more expensive, less and less guys, maybe if one day they change the price there will be more clients like in the past (gold age) if everybody continues rise the price the crisis will never disappear.
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[QUOTE=Komo753;1940774]life is difficult in Brazil that is why many girls sell their ass to pay their bill,[/QUOTE]Life must be just as difficult in the USA, Germany, and other places; because many girls sell their ass to pay bills there as well. Curious as to what the men do in these countries in order to pay their bills.
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[QUOTE=OldKool;1940648]Every place I have every been there have always been more girls then guys. Most girls are lucky to get a guy a day. I think 6 is a fantasy. Most girls I have known were attractive but all struggled. Getting our money is not easy. We pick the best looking girl all the time. The competition for our dollars is fierce. It is my belief that many girls go home many nights with no action.[/QUOTE]But you've never been to Brazil. LOL!
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[QUOTE=Komo753;1940774]True, crisis,
Easy to find girls to fuck, difficult to find clients for money, in the termas many girls make zero, one, two or three clients a week, they have to share money with the terma, life is difficult in Brazil that is why many girls sell their ass to pay their bill, I met many girls complaining about the terma and wanting to leave because they live far and they are tired of travelling everyday for nothing.
Always more girls than guys, many guys just drink and watch the scene, the termas are more and more expensive, less and less guys, maybe if one day they change the price there will be more clients like in the past (gold age) if everybody continues rise the price the crisis will never disappear.[/QUOTE]This is true. Its only going one way.
Many terma girls are giving up-spoke to 5 this week. They are all hoping to build a clientele of private clients. They go independent but no doubt times are hard.
This is why when the gdps from spots like mv30 etc start asking for 400-500 per noite you got to laugh.
I have asked at least 25 how much they made off the 1 or max 2 programs they had today in the darkside spots-maybe 150. On average.
Maybe 200 on a better day..maybe more.some days just outlay on food,transport and they sulk and beg drinks off clients and just get drunk.
They can accept a lower rate or enjoy the 1 hour + train ride from Central and the bus afterwards.
The high prices in termas just keep getting tweaked but its going to hit a plateau or spots will start going out of business even more.
Even in the face of Brazilians' skewed business logic, at some point they and the gdps will face the prospect of shut down or lower prices.
Girls will try even harder to go to Spain etc as Rio is feelin the squeeze.
I mean a hot as fcuk 18 year old latina natural bombshell at Cancun's program's dropped from 15 a week to 10-ended on 2/3 and she quit.
Lets see what happens but no doubt -even the tier 2/3 spots will have girls doing cartwheels and BBFS / CIM / come inside as the crunch sets in.
I have been offered it many times in July/August and always with the line"please dont forget about me"- this is the ultimate carrot.
Come inside/bbfs for anywhere from 165-200 an hour....
Can and does happen from VM to Centro dark side spots.
Id say 50% of the girls would do it to some extent or with changing frequency based on how much they are into it,how drunk they are,how much they want the dude as outside client or just fuckin horny after some great foreplay and you turn them on.
in VM the ones who refuse CIM.BBBJ you can usually bribe for 30/40/50..an additional 50 can get you BBFS usually....come inside variable..
IN MC I used to get it offered too-"give me a present and ill let you fuck me bareback" while the fiancee is home fucking his side chick!lol
Some would try and ask 200 more,300 more..some 100....etc
Even in cheap centro termas They will try it on even more with gringos.
Regarding per noites I tell them straight-you get max 100 for 1 hour program and hardly anyone does 1 hour ones in those spots. So 200 and we good per noite. Some 150 and food and a cab-thats 250 anyway.
Sexo at night and in the morning and maybe an additional bbfs in the middle of the night..usually the easiest time.
Places like MC, Solarium etc are all thinking of how to approach the crisis now that theres no event to attract attention on the horizon other than currency devaluation and increased unemployment and less tourists as crime rates increase.
Spoke to Ivan and they are turning away lots of chicks who come from other spots and the turn-over is quicker than in the past except for die-hards because new girls get in and realize they arent gonna get paid and they have to pay for stuff.......
I think Non-Pro with privileges and a bit of help is the new semi-pro!
I think the dating sites will have alot more of these.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1940693]You are talking about WAY different scenes since he has never been to Brazil.[/QUOTE]
Stll he´s an expert on the Rio scene. :)
There are some bareback propaganda posted in this thread.
Here's an interesting article. 10% of the brazilian women with HIV are prostitutes. HIV among prostitutes is eight times higher than among the general population. 6% of the prostitutes are infected with HIV, compared to 0,56% of the rest of the population. At least 660'000 cases of HIV in Brazil.
I can't understand how anyone would even consider to accept bareback sex with a prostitute in Brazil. If she offers BB sex to you she propably does it to everybody else as well. If she even cares to do her yearly HIV test she'll propably continue to work even if she's infected. I'm happy with using condoms. I prefer a long healthy life with lots of safe sex instead of having BB adventures with VM prostitutes.
[URL]http://noticias.r7.com/saude/de-cada-dez-mulheres-com-hiv-uma-e-prostituta-10062013[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Sperto;1941170]Stll hes an expert on the Rio scene. :)
There are some bareback propaganda posted in this thread.
Here's an interesting article. 10% of the brazilian women with HIV are prostitutes. HIV among prostitutes is eight times higher than among the general population. 6% of the prostitutes are infected with HIV, compared to 0,56% of the rest of the population. At least 660'000 cases of HIV in Brazil.
I can't understand how anyone would even consider to accept bareback sex with a prostitute in Brazil. If she offers BB sex to you she propably does it to everybody else as well. If she even cares to do her yearly HIV test she'll propably continue to work even if she's infected. I'm happy with using condoms. I prefer a long healthy life with lots of safe sex instead of having BB adventures with VM prostitutes.
[URL]http://noticias.r7.com/saude/de-cada-dez-mulheres-com-hiv-uma-e-prostituta-10062013[/URL][/QUOTE]So Sperto the safe sex instructor is back with words of wisdom about BBFS / HIV / STDs?
Arent you the man talking about having CIM / BBBJs etc in your posts?- so that would qualify you as a risk taker. Not so (E) sperto.
Regarding propaganda-it said offered not necessarily taken.
Everyone here takes risks in smaller or bigger ways.
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[QUOTE=Sperto;1941170]Stll hes an expert on the Rio scene. :)
There are some bareback propaganda posted in this thread.
Here's an interesting article. 10% of the brazilian women with HIV are prostitutes. HIV among prostitutes is eight times higher than among the general population. 6% of the prostitutes are infected with HIV, compared to 0,56% of the rest of the population. At least 660'000 cases of HIV in Brazil.
I can't understand how anyone would even consider to accept bareback sex with a prostitute in Brazil. If she offers BB sex to you she propably does it to everybody else as well. If she even cares to do her yearly HIV test she'll propably continue to work even if she's infected. I'm happy with using condoms. I prefer a long healthy life with lots of safe sex instead of having BB adventures with VM prostitutes.
[URL]http://noticias.r7.com/saude/de-cada-dez-mulheres-com-hiv-uma-e-prostituta-10062013[/URL][/QUOTE]You know everything about HIV, I work in the laboratory I test blood everyday when I'm not on vacation I studied for medicine 8 years + 2 year experience, 1, it is impossible to get HIV with blow job without condom, the worst thing you can get is Herpes as a man, the worst thing you can get as a woman is syphilis, in Brazil gay community are more likely to get HIV, 90 per cent of the immune system is in the colon (big intestine) passive sex, using drug and antibiotic kills your immune system. Straight vaginal sex, you need to fuck with the seropositive partner many times before getting HIV, HIV is very weak compared to other sexual diseases, your immune system has three months to eliminate HIV after sex act if not protected.
Being scared of everything is bad for your body too, you can have cancer because of that.
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[QUOTE=Komo753;1941388]... it is impossible to get HIV with blow job without condom, the worst thing you can get is Herpes as a man...[/QUOTE]
Are you illiterate? Did I say something about getting HIV by BBBJ? No, it was Mr B***head.
I don't care if you bareback. My post was to enlighten those who might get the impression that barebacking in Brazil is OK.
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[QUOTE=Sperto;1941436]Are you illiterate? Did I say something about getting HIV by BBBJ? No, it was Mr B***head.
I don't care if you bareback. My post was to enlighten those who might get the impression that barebacking in Brazil is OK.[/QUOTE]I agree people doing bareback sex are more likely to get HIV, I am talking about girls and passive gays and transexuals. But active men are less likely to get HIV if they do bareback without condom and for sure they will never get HIV if they use condom everyday. Being protected is important because there are many sexual diseases that are stronger than HIV and having another sexual disease makes HIV easy to enter the body.
Many gays and girls complain about having HIV though they had protected sex everyday why? Getting fucked from behind kills your immune system in your colon / rectum. That is why it is important to eat much and drink water, to move as much as possible to boost your immune system, and not use drug or any antibiotics.
Conclusion: it is important to get protected from other sexual diseases.
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[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;1941032]This is true. Its only going one way.
Many terma girls are giving up-spoke to 5 this week. They are all hoping to build a clientele of private clients. They go independent but no doubt times are hard.
This is why when the gdps from spots like mv30 etc start asking for 400-500 per noite you got to laugh.
I have asked at least 25 how much they made off the 1 or max 2 programs they had today in the darkside spots-maybe 150. On average.
Maybe 200 on a better day..maybe more.some days just outlay on food,transport and they sulk and beg drinks off clients and just get drunk.
They can accept a lower rate or enjoy the 1 hour + train ride from Central and the bus afterwards.
The high prices in termas just keep getting tweaked but its going to hit a plateau or spots will start going out of business even more.
Even in the face of Brazilians' skewed business logic, at some point they and the gdps will face the prospect of shut down or lower prices.
Girls will try even harder to go to Spain etc as Rio is feelin the squeeze...[/QUOTE]In the center, a girl tried 800 reais per noite with me just because I am a gringo, but finally she agreed for 200 reais per noite of course I paid after because I never pay beforehand.
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[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;1941032]Lets see what happens but no doubt -even the tier 2/3 spots will have girls doing cartwheels and BBFS / CIM / come inside as the crunch sets in.
I have been offered it many times in July/August and always with the line"please dont forget about me"- this is the ultimate carrot.
Come inside/bbfs for anywhere from 165-200 an hour....
Can and does happen from VM to Centro dark side spots.
Id say 50% of the girls would do it to some extent or with changing frequency based on how much they are into it,how drunk they are,how much they want the dude as outside client or just fuckin horny after some great foreplay and you turn them on.
in VM the ones who refuse CIM.BBBJ you can usually bribe for 30/40/50..an additional 50 can get you BBFS usually....come inside variable..
IN MC I used to get it offered too-"give me a present and ill let you fuck me bareback" while the fiancee is home fucking his side chick!lol
Some would try and ask 200 more,300 more..some 100....etc..[/QUOTE]Where are those girls I have never met? LOL.
Have done BBFS with a few though, two from trash fucks and one from a terma.
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[QUOTE=AndreSingle;1941694]Where are those girls I have never met? LOL.
Have done BBFS with a few though, two from trash fucks and one from a terma.[/QUOTE]Where are those girls?
Those girls I have met in Monte Carlo, VM,Cancun and centro darkside spots like mv. Florida.
Its all about you and the girl.
A few have offered outright, mostly they just do it if they want to do it.
We've all been guilty of it I suspect.
More so I guess when you get them outside of the terma its more frequently given / accepted for sure.
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[QUOTE=Komo753;1941566]In the center, a girl tried 800 reais per noite with me just because I am a gringo, but finally she agreed for 200 reais per noite of course I paid after because I never pay beforehand.[/QUOTE]800? What a fuckin nerve.
You did the right thing and if they don't want to accept it let them sweat. When they are faced with the prospect of going home with 0 from 0 programs, they will be more flexible but we must be prepared to let even a sexy one go to stick to the principle. If not they will run all over us.
I'm not paying over the odds for anyone again. It has happened to everyone visitng Rio.
ID say if she diggin you 200 + food / drinks transport is the way nowadays.
If not let them go.
