German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=Ultrahappy;1408397]It may be one of the many factors I consider when deciding which clubs to go to. I consider the facilities, the food, the women, whether the club is gang controlled, the music, the ambiance, friendliness of the staff, etc. (not in that order). In any case, I suspect that the answer to this question is something that many of the forum members would be interested to know. Each forum member can decide how they wish to make use of this information.[/QUOTE]Ultrahappy,

I hopes you use the information given by Indi Companion wisely.

Like I was trying to imply when I asked you the question. Is it important that you know? I think knowing which clubs have a heavy gang influence may not change the visiting habits of many here. Even you do not admit that you will stop visiting them.

I just know for sure that one of my friends he refuses to go to the World because of the overt 81er prescene and tends to the Palace and maybe the Oase if it takes his fancy.

But as you say each forum member can decide how to best use the time that they have in this life. This is correct.

[QUOTE=Yakob; 1408851]Ultrahappy,

I hopes you use the information given by Indi Companion wisely.

Like I was trying to imply when I asked you the question. Is it important that you know? I think knowing which clubs have a heavy gang influence may not change the visiting habits of many here. Even you do not admit that you will stop visiting them.

I just know for sure that one of my friends he refuses to go to the World because of the overt 81er prescene and tends to the Palace and maybe the Oase if it takes his fancy.

But as you say each forum member can decide how to best use the time that they have in this life. This is correct.[/QUOTE]It's not super super important to me but I still like to know. It is definitely a factor to consider. The food quality is also a factor. It is clearly not the only factor I consider. If the food were the only factor I considered, then I wouldn't be visiting Oase all of the time like I do now!

Also, I think maybe the girls who have pimps are more likely to be stressed out than the independent girls. I don't know this but I suspect this.

I've only been to World one time. It was fairly early in my FKK experiences, but I remember having 3 not-so-good / bad room experiences on my first day there. So, I was never a big fan of World and never went back. Since then, I have thought that maybe my poor experiences there were due in part to my newbie-ness at the time. Maybe that and my lack of German communication skills at the time contributed my not-so-great experiences there (that is, compared to Oase at the time). So, I thought many times about visiting World again to see if maybe I was just unlucky my first time and happened to pick three bad apples, especially in light of all of the good reports here. Plus, I speak quite a bit of German now, so maybe that would also improve my experiences there too since not all of the girls there speak English (not so many as Oase anyways). Then, I saw all those posts about the over 81 presence there and the big tattoo guys ordering their girls around, etc, and that makes me not want to go there.

I might go there again sometime to try it out and to see if my experience there is any different than before, but it is hard to push myself to go to different clubs when I already have favorite girls at other clubs who are sure to give me the incredible experience. Actually, there is one fkk-wife that I have become way too attached to and this attachment often prevents me from trying out new places. I sometimes manage to try out new girls from time to time when I am with her but even this is not often. Indeed, it is true that I fail miserably at adopting the "fuck and forget" philosophy.

[QUOTE=Ultrahappy;1408904]I've only been to World one time. It was fairly early in my FKK experiences, but I remember having 3 not-so-good / bad room experiences on my first day there....... Then, I saw all those posts about the over 81 presence there and the big tattoo guys ordering their girls around, etc, and that makes me not want to go there.[/QUOTE]I would suggest that FKK World is not much different to any of the other big FKK / Sauna Clubs with overt / non-overt organised crime connections. It is also not much different to any of the other big FKK / Sauna Clubs with no (or at least no obvious) gang / syndicate connection. In ALL FKK / Sauna clubs there are girls who are independent (keeping all / most of their money) , or who are paying some money (to a manager for protection or for services such as organising accomodation or the right to work in a particular club) or paying some or most of their money to pimps or criminal organisations. There is a mix of all these different types of girls in ALL clubs. Some here will argue that the mix of girls in any FKK / Sauna club is in favour of the independent girls. I would argue that the scale is way on the other side, with most girls paying at least something to a Manager or a Pimp or a Gang / Organisation.

Some of my best sessions down through the years have been in FKK World. It is in my oppinion one of the very best FKK / Sauna Clubs.

This will be my first trip to FKK in Germany.

I"m flying in on 14 May evening, and I have a few questions.

1. Is it better to go to Dusseldorf or Frankfurt?

2. FRA seems better, but My wife is joining me in DUS the next day, if FRA is better is worth driving to DUS the next day?

3. Which is the largest club in DUS?

4. Which club would you recommend in DUS for non-german speaker?

5. Which is the largest club in FRA?

6. Which club would you recommend in FRA for non-german speaker?

Appreciate your help.

S

Just googled 24 hour markets and found a site that says REWE has a supermarket in the dusseldorf airport that opens at 5am. Anyone been there?

[QUOTE=Breadman;1410800]Just googled 24 hour markets and found a site that says REWE has a supermarket in the dusseldorf airport that opens at 5am. Anyone been there?[/QUOTE]No. But REWE City Market are found also in other city centers or the Squaire in FFM. No naked girls. No blowjobs.

HB

shutdowns in rio happen due to government prudishness. they are ashamed of the brothels, of prostitution and naked girls.

prostitution is legal, everything around it is illegal. pimping, houses of prostitution, favoring prostitution even without monetary gain, all is illegal. thus police always gets a big cut from all brothels, so big that many fail and close due to not being able to pay the extortion.

germany is very different.

seems the main power these gangs have is threats to family back home.

i wonder why these girls come to work if they know what is in store for them. or why they can not get help from girl friends? many germans would love to house a girl in exchange for sex and no money. maybe there is a market for a fkk sugar daddy site.

when i was in the czech republic 1-2 decades ago, there was only one girl without a pimp. her father was a common crime boss. mentioning his name was enough to scare off any want to-be pimps.

in the philippines i bought out a few girls from their slavery. what shocked me most was that one of them always praised her slavers that took most of her money away. she thought they were much nicer then i was. so with these simple girls, good social skills and trickery may be good enough to control them.

now britain's strict liability trafficking law was probably enacted by feminist and moralists, who use this as a pretext to finish prostitution. strict liability **** sex laws, for example, mean you go to jail if you had sex with an **** girls who had a valid government i'd that showed she is over 18. if the girl duped the department of motor vehicles with someone else's birth certificate.

so even if you take all precautions, you can go to prison.

[url]http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality/15-y-criminal-runaway-is-20-y-on-her-valid-state-id-strict-liability-puts-men-in-prison-for-sex-possession-of-child-porn[/url]

so with strict liability laws, there is absolutely no way to avoid grave danger of imprisonment. even if you get a detective for a background check, he might be wrong.

[quote=tonycarioca11; 1408350]this is exactly what i see in a lot of woman in fkks. the lack of motivation and their persistence to go to the room without having a conversation. noticed that in particular at magnum with most romanians.

there are however non-trafficked freelance workers in each fkk and more so in certain fkks. i personally have ethics and would not even mind if they busted the fkks and arrested all the gang members who traffic woman. i would not even mind if they shut-down the fkks that knowingly work with gangs. i know lot of you will attack me for my views but so be it.

in the uk, you would already go to jail for having sex with a woman who is coerced into having sex or controlled by others:

it is an offence to pay for sex with a prostitute who has been 'subjected to force' and this is a strict liability offence (clients can be prosecuted even if they didn't know the prostitute was forced).

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/prostitution_in_the_united_kingdom[/url]

so it's just a matter of passing the same law in germany and than the discussions here can be used as tip-off by the anti-trafficking teams reading the forums. just a bit more on the how trafficking is a serous crime:

[url]http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909][CodeWord909][/url]/what-is-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909][CodeWord909][/url].html[/url]

and seriously it does not need to be disneyland but if punters loose all their ethics and empathy for others than there is not much humanity left in those people and germany had a quite a few of those people during the second world war.

so my position is this: i go to fkks but choose the girls who tell me about their set-up like that they are staying in a hotel as they could not register in germany, where they have been before (other fkk or else) , have their own car, saving to buy a house etc. just relaxed about their life and aspirations. not the type: i'm not here to talk, let's go to the room and do it. you can literally feel the tension with the trafficked girls and they still make money because they are hot and as we can see on this forum there are enough man who don't care. and the scary thing is at the end all of us may loose with all the fkks being shut-down due collaboration with criminal elements. already in rio there was a lot of trouble with raids on thermas and some were shut forever.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Breadman;1410800]Just googled 24 hour markets and found a site that says REWE has a supermarket in the dusseldorf airport that opens at 5am. Anyone been there?[/QUOTE]Yes, it's at the far end of the arrival's level (Terminal C) just past the McDonald's.

Whilst on the subject there is another similar type supermarket tucked away on the lower level of Frankfurt's airport's terminal 1.

[QUOTE=Ableyone; 1410979]Yes, it's at the far end of the arrival's level (Terminal C) just past the McDonald's.

Whilst on the subject there is another similar type supermarket tucked away on the lower level of Frankfurt's airport's terminal 1.[/QUOTE]While we are on the topic. Is there even such a thing as a 24 hour supermarket? Seems all of them open up until 2200 and closes for Sunday.

[QUOTE=Studley; 1410780]This will be my first trip to FKK in Germany.

I"m flying in on 14 May evening, and I have a few questions.

1. Is it better to go to Dusseldorf or Frankfurt?

2. FRA seems better, but My wife is joining me in DUS the next day, if FRA is better is worth driving to DUS the next day?

3. Which is the largest club in DUS?

4. Which club would you recommend in DUS for non-german speaker?

5. Which is the largest club in FRA?

6. Which club would you recommend in FRA for non-german speaker?

Appreciate your help.

S[/QUOTE]I, for one, don't think FRA is better. I started off at FRA and never been back. There are more options in NRW especially if you have a car. Entrance is also cheaper.

You'll get by fine with English at all the frequently discussed clubs on this board.

[QUOTE=Trans Atlantic;1411234]While we are on the topic. Is there even such a thing as a 24 hour supermarket? Seems all of them open up until 2200 and closes for Sunday.[/QUOTE]There's smaller shops at the airports and main train stations which are open on Sundays. The REWE City at FFM airport / Fernbahnhof (The Squaire) is open 7 days a week from 5am to 1am.

HB

[QUOTE=Trans Atlantic; 1411236]I, for one, don't think FRA is better. I started off at FRA and never been back. There are more options in NRW especially if you have a car. Entrance is also cheaper.

You'll get by fine with English at all the frequently discussed clubs on this board.[/QUOTE]I will have a car while I'm in Germany so getting around should not be a problem.

Are there any clubs you recommend in NRW.

I only have one night. So won't have time to experiment.

Thanks,

S

[QUOTE=Trans Atlantic;1411234]While we are on the topic. Is there even such a thing as a 24 hour supermarket? Seems all of them open up until 2200 and closes for Sunday.[/QUOTE]I doubt that you will find many 24 markets in Germany. I know of a couple in Berlin and maybe other big cities will have one or two but generally that sort of thing has not caught on here like N. America. I think most big city main rail stations will have a market that is open late. 23:00 or 24:00 but that is about it.

AM

[quote=brazil specialist; 1410890]now britain's strict liability trafficking law was probably enacted by feminist and moralists, who use this as a pretext to finish prostitution. strict liability **** sex laws, for example, mean you go to jail if you had sex with an **** girls who had a valid government i'd that showed she is over 18. if the girl duped the department of motor vehicles with someone else's birth certificate.

so even if you take all precautions, you can go to prison.

[url]http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality/15-y-criminal-runaway-is-20-y-on-her-valid-state-id-strict-liability-puts-men-in-prison-for-sex-possession-of-child-porn[/url]

so with strict liability laws, there is absolutely no way to avoid grave danger of imprisonment. even if you get a detective for a background check, he might be wrong.[/quote]well there are always grave risks as punter, but we all accept them. the scenario you gave as an example is such a low probability and so unusual that it made the news.

i think this is no excuse for not taking precautions. even if i go to jail i would be proud to have taken precautions and not be ashamed for contracting (verbal contract) the services of these girls. and despite the prostitution laws in the uk, prostitution is not finished at all in the uk. it just shifts a bit more of the burden of responsibility to the punter, not to go to some flats where the mafia keeps girls as sex-slaves when it's clear that the girl has all kind of bruises and is not motivated to provide services.

as stated before, i know there is a lot of guys without empathy but than there are always some people out there who want to make sure that the prostitutes are not abused but can actually keep the money they are earning.

[QUOTE=Studley; 1411301]I will have a car while I'm in Germany so getting around should not be a problem.

Are there any clubs you recommend in NRW.

I only have one night. So won't have time to experiment.

Thanks,

S[/QUOTE]If you're coming in on a Tuesday night, GoldenTime. But I think they close around 1AM. But you can get a "same day" discount card to Living Room which closes later.