Jakarta

"However, the code will not come into effect for three years to allow for implementing regulations to be drafted. ".

Stated in the article. My planned trip in January will be the last time I visit, if the law is implemented and enforced.

[QUOTE=Yendappu;2768300][URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/indonesias-parliament-passes-controversial-new-criminal-code-2022-12-06/[/URL]

I thought it was 12/15 was when they were planning to pass the law, but seems like they passed it today. Not only it bans sex outside marriage, but even bans living together without marriage. Upto a year of jail (it does say law has been little watered down, as to who can report the offence such as spouse, parents or child). Since this law is applied for both the Indonesian citizens and tourist, I am curios if they are going to make hotels require proof of marriage certificates? This is absurd in every angle. Forget about sex toursim, normal couple who are just living together cannot visit Indonesia then. I am assuming / hoping this to have backlash from tourist industry.

Majority of Bali's economy depends on tourism, with this stupid ban all the business related to tourism will suffer a lot.

I still don't understand how this will affect and shape places like Classic, Malio, . That are very obvious why they exists. For now, JAK is off of my list of places to visit for sex mongering (rather temporary hold until they figure out).[/QUOTE]

Per BBC:

"Sex outside marriage will carry a jail term of up to a year under the new laws, which take effect in three years."

So we have 3 years to continue the barebacking and fornication.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2768416]Per BBC:

"Sex outside marriage will carry a jail term of up to a year under the new laws, which take effect in three years."

So we have 3 years to continue the barebacking and fornication.[/QUOTE]Nope. In as within. The new code will be applicable within 3 years. Not after 3 years.

The new law could still come under challenge in the courts, it's not set in stone yet.

Also. The offence can only be reported by a parent, spouse or child. The good news about that is that banging someone's wife will finally become an act of bravery. The bad news, it will inflate prices and add another way to the repertoire of scammers, many a tourist may get caught out in the rain.

But seriously, it's a stupid fundamentalist move, it will hurt tourism, people's rights (think about the LGBT community) and the economy.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;2768476]Nope. In as within. The new code will be applicable within 3 years. Not after 3 years.

The new law could still come under challenge in the courts, it's not set in stone yet.

[/QUOTE]Tommy,

I agree with you it is a stupid move, just like some other stupid things in the last 10 years.

Please clarify:
Are you saying the new law will be applicable at some point in the next 3 years?
In other words, is there a 3 year time window for the new law to take effect or be applicable?

OR

Is this new law already applicable but only valid for the next 3 years?

Thanks,

~BKKguru

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2768504]Tommy,

I agree with you it is a stupid move, just like some other stupid things in the last 10 years.

Please clarify:
Are you saying the new law will be applicable at some point in the next 3 years?
In other words, is there a 3 year time window for the new law to take effect or be applicable?

OR

Is this new law already applicable but only valid for the next 3 years?

Thanks,

~BKKguru[/QUOTE]Are mongers seriously worried about this new law?? Prostitution has been illegal in Indonesia forever and that hasn't stopped paid pussy being available on every corner. How is the new law going to change that?

I see your point Goferring, as prostitution was already illegal, what was the need for them to pass this new law? My only concern is with the independent providers as they could scam the tourist, so will need to be careful. Personally, I have put hold on JAK (moved it to bottom of my list of sex mongering destination) and will watch out how it turns out in the next few months.

Folks who are visiting please continue reporting and keep us updated. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2768506]Are mongers seriously worried about this new law?? Prostitution has been illegal in Indonesia forever and that hasn't stopped paid pussy being available on every corner. How is the new law going to change that?[/QUOTE]

What people probably have forgotten here is that, Indonesia is the most populous Muslim country in the world. Muslim majority in Indonesia is 87%. While majority are moderate, there are still a sizeable number of religious extremists that would want to see the sharia law to be implemented in Indonesia. There are so many boarding schools those who have been brainwashed since there were in early age to carry their vision. Just see how many suicide bomb cases have happened in Indonesia. It is entirely a different case with other countries in Asia. Some parties, politicians want their votes in the general election.

The problem here these sorts of extremists group will never rest, but they keep Moving forward. Sharia Law has been implemented in Aceh, special province of Indonesia. Do they stop there?

The consequences of this newly passed bonking law will not just effect mongers and prossies, but other parties as well. Think about people in civil partnership, LGBT which are coming from catchment areas of tourism. While in their own countries they are legally protected to live together, to sleep in the same accommodation, it might not be the case when they travel to Indonesia. The Hotels might ask them to produce a marriage certificate fear of helping to commit crime.
Not to mention the possibility of extortion, and settlement pay with police outside the system.
Recently revealed the Indonesian hihg ranking policemen in the police force. They might belong to be one of the most corrupt police force in the world.

https://www.asiasentinel.com/p/high-rank-indonesia-police-turn-on-each-other

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2766069]Realistically speaking you've got to be ready for them asking double that this time around. You might actually be better employed starting afresh with new blood, easily found on Tinder, they'll still be asking those sort of prices but at least you'll be getting fresh girls rather than ladies who have been around the block quite a few times since you last met them and who haven't gotten any younger in the meantime, and with attitudes and expectations to match.[/QUOTE]I found out that you are right, and checking my notes; I paid 1 m and 1. 3 m for st and LT in 2019.

Is Maribaya massage at Hotel Melawai closed? Is there similar places in the Blok-M area?

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2768759]
Is Maribaya massage at Hotel Melawai closed? [/QUOTE]You haven't been traveling that much to Jakarta, have you? Maribaya was closed around 2018.

I needed a good full body massage and decided to check this place out. You can find Sugar Spa easily on Google Map.

It was a pretty small spa. Upon entry, you will be issued a locker key with a number. There is a sauna, hot water and cold water pool. It was very basic, but at least they did not charge me any facility fee upon checkout.

After taking a short dip in the hot water pool and taking a shower, I headed up to the second floor. Very small area, and the place was empty when I was there. However, the evening crowds were starting to stream in at that time. Mamasan showed me several girls who mostly looked cute by my standard. The pretty ones were already working with the customers as I went through the list. I settled for a plumpier one since I need ones with strong hands to massage me.

I selected the full package at 600 K which would include a full massage plus one shot. The massage was very good as she had a very strong hand. Before she started the massage, I told her to just strip down which she did.

My objective for that spa trip is to just get a full body massage with the intention of getting a good fuck later elsewhere. However, I can't resist resist a pair of big natural tits, and in this case could provide me with a good tittie fuck. Not too many girls can do that and I was able to unload on her tits after the massage and her boobies rub on my dick.

Total damage: 600 k + 100 k tip.

Off to Kings Cross next

I'm going to be on the ground in half a month and could use some more info for lowest end lokalisasi places.

I have a rough idea of KI, royal gedong and tanahabang station area but lack manggarai, jatinegara and tanjung priuk. If I missed any other low end BBFS places which get pointed out to me that would be great too.

After my Sugar Spa trip, I decided to check out Kings Cross. Looked at my Grab app to see how long it will take and how much, approx 35 minutes at 66 K rupiah. Not too bad and decided to head out there. Getting around Jakarta with Grab is very simple and cheap. Before that, my local buddy texted me and asked me what I would like to do, and I told him that I am heading to Kings Cross to check out the girls. One of the girl that I knew who used to work at Malio is now working there but told me that she will return to KC next week. My buddy decided to join me there as it has been a while for him. For me, it's my first trip to KC.

It is interesting to see Kings Cross to be located near the residential suburb of a commercial complex area. It's a five storey building with the sign "Kings Cross Hotel". Who are they kidding? It's not a hotel but clearly a bordello. On entry, the security will pad you down and place a small sticker to cover up your cell phone. They don't want anyone to record anything in there. On the front desk, you are issued a card with a number. They use this card to as a way to keep your tab. The lounge is on the fifth floor and is a big open space with a center stage where a band is playing music. The place wasn't crowded but still a sufficient number of people. One thing I hated about that area was the smoke. I can't stop coughing whenever I was in there as the smoke filled area irritated my throat big time.

As we settled down on one of the able and ordered our drinks, the mamasan cam over to us. The mamasan knew my buddy well and she looked very familiar to me. It turned out that she used to work at Malio and coincidentally I happened to write about her in this forum three years ago. Hilarious. Here is the link.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=2394839#post2394839[/URL]

Three years on, that Batak mamasan still looked very desirable even though her hips might have grown, but I am still open to banging her even three years later. I asked her how she ended up here at KC and she mentioned that KC happened to open up first before Malio, and she find the working hours here better. By the way, Malio and KC are under the same ownership. The mamasan told me the difference between the lineup of the girls between these two places are at least the 300 K price gap. So a girl that would cost 600 K at KC would easily be priced at 900 K at Malio.

The mamasan showed me the first lineup of girls at 350 K. Slim pickings and none to my liking. Pass. Next came the line up og 600 K girls. There were more selection this time, and I decided to pick one. Originally, I did not have the intention of having any session with the girls there that night after releasing my load previously at the Sugar Spa. But for 600 K, it is still cheap enough for me to experience what KC's service feels like, knowing that I cannot possible unload anything that night.

The girl and I went down to the fourth floor where the rooms are located. The room was clean but not luxurious. There was a king size bed and a shower area by the door. Before we started, the girl would ask me to get into a shower where she will clean you nicely before she cleans herself before the deed. At least the hygiene is there.

Too bad the service was just not what I expected. If anyone expects bb service there, you can forget about it. Not that I am expecting any since I don't tend to do BB with any girls with such high turnover. Before going into the room, the girl was handed a condom in which you will be charged 10 K for it.

No GFE from the girl as she refused any kisses. At least she gave me a somewhat decent BBJ. But it was still nothing to get excited about. Anyway, I was just too tired to do anything and told her that she would have to do all the heavy lifting. LOL. After the BBJ, she asked me if I would like to put the condom on. I teased her and asked here what if I do not want it on, in which she replied she needed that on. I told her that she will be in for a long night since it would take me a long time for me to come and she said she was ok with that.

Anyway, for 15 minutes she would ride me and I would still not come. She was so relieved when I told her to just take a rest. At least she tried her best but in this case, since we did not have the chemistry, I did not cajole her into seeing if she was willing to make come without condom. Usually, when I was able to establish rapport with the girls, BB is not really an issue with them if I want it towards the end. Plus, I was still exhausted from the jet lag and actually dozed off for a few minutes. Tipped her 150 K after the session for her effort. Not really a great experience at KC.

Actually, you want to hop on a plane now. The law does not go into effect until late 2025.

[QUOTE=Yendappu;2767553]I see your point, this could be used easily to trap tourist and extort money. It seems like they tried to pass similar version in 2019 but due to protest it didn't get passed. Lets hope same thing repeats again. If not, I will have to shelve my plan to visit JAK temporarily and wait / watch fall out from this new law.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the clarification, Reuters news that I referred didn't have mention of the going into effect until 2025, but I was able to confirm on other news outlet that it will indeed go into effect in 2025.

[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2769097]Actually, you want to hop on a plane now. The law does not go into effect until late 2025.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2768504]Tommy,

I agree with you it is a stupid move, just like some other stupid things in the last 10 years.

Please clarify:
Are you saying the new law will be applicable at some point in the next 3 years?
In other words, is there a 3 year time window for the new law to take effect or be applicable?

OR

Is this new law already applicable but only valid for the next 3 years?

Thanks,

~BKKguru[/QUOTE]I've been following the news on this, and the sources aren't consistent. I've read everything from the law will come into effect 30 days after Jokowi signs it, to only after three years. Bloomberg has done some good reporting on this, and I think their answer may be the best (see below). I'll show a couple of links below, but they may be behind a paywall. Some highlights -

Anyone engaged in sex outside of marriage may face up to one year in prison or fines.

[B]Police can only prosecute people based on official complaints made by their parent, child or spouse.[/B] Presumably this would prevent couples who are tourists from being prosecuted. An Indonesian Minister said "If people from Australia want to go on a holiday in Bali, and they want to stay in the same room whatsoever, that is their personal matter. Unless there's a complaint by their parents in Australia, which is not their culture."

The new law doesn't address prostitution, but banning extramarital sex effectively makes prostitution illegal.

There will be a three-year transition period until the law is [b]fully[/b] in place, as the government must draft implementing regulation.

Each province in Indonesia can enforce their own laws based on the code. So you might have differences between, say, more liberal Bali, and someplace like Aceh which has Shariah law.

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-07/new-sex-laws-explained-what-bali-indonesia-tourists-expats-need-to-know?[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-08/indonesia-seeks-to-allay-foreigners-concern-over-adultery-laws?[/URL]

This piece of legislation had overwhelming support from the politicians who voted on it. I think I read it was approved unanimously.