Bogota Reports

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2575404]That is interesting. There are quite a few changes that happen with high altitude and the one that probably is affecting you is something called 2,3 BPG:[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2[/URL], 3-Bisphosphoglyceric_acid#cite_note-hyperthyroidism2004-3.

When you go up to higher altitude levels, the amount of 2,3 BPG goes up very quickly. Higher 2,3 BPG cause a red blood cell to have a decreased affinity for oxygen which sounds like you have less oxygen but that is not correct. With more 2,3 BPG, you have more available oxygen to use as it is not stuck to the red blood cell.

The amount of 2,3 BPG can vary a lot from person to person as there are conditions that can cause less or more of it. Higher thyroid for example means more 2,3 BPG and lower thyroid means lower levels.

Given that you can go hiking so quickly at Monserrate, it suggests to me you form high levels of 2,3 BPG very quickly and your cells have more oxygen available to them than the average person. Then you can to a lower altitude, you have lower levels of 2,3 BPG and have much less free oxygen running around which could cause fatigue.

Overweight people have higher levels of 2,3 BPG so it will be interesting to see if your weight loss has an effect. It might be worth having your doctor check your thyroid too.

I think I have a more normal response with my 2,3 BPG levels because when I have gone from Bogota to a city with a lower altitude I immediately feel better. It is interesting though that one of the reason Colombianas may be thinner than women in other countries is that you burn more calories at a higher altitude and there is going to be a different effect when you eat carbohydrates high up as well. There is a really good chance that people have less carb craving at higher altitudes because the carbs do not make you feel as good as at lower altitudes.[/QUOTE]I climbed Monserrate with relative ease in the rain, despite falling on my ass once near the top, it wasn't so bad, considering the rain and how steep it is.

Fast forward to MDE and I felt more lethargic, my breathing felt shallow in BOG but my energy was fine.

My breathing improved once in MDE but my energy seemed to decline, can you opine on the drug Tallman just posted about?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2575708]I was there in the early afternoon yesterday. Not a single girl I would bang. I thought it was too early (around 1:00 PM), but it looks like at night it sucks as well. Seeking sucks too, read my recent post in SA thread. They are flaky and don't need our business. I have been to Colombia many times, but this time is the worst, despite great exchange rate and the fact that everything is back to normal, no protests or curfews. I got here from Rio, and it is day and night in terms of the talent, but I have to admit the hottest girls in Rio are non-pros.

If anyone would like to share good/verified SA contacts, please PM me.[/QUOTE]Why do all focus on Santa Fe? There are thousands of options in Bogota and you seem all to focus on the shithole of the city. I don't Get it.

I read that Atunes reopened on June 28 after being closed for 15 months. Does anyone here know how much it costs to buy a non-alcoholic drink there like water or orange juice?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2575713]I climbed Monserrate with relative ease in the rain, despite falling on my ass once near the top, it wasn't so bad, considering the rain and how steep it is.

Fast forward to MDE and I felt more lethargic, my breathing felt shallow in BOG but my energy was fine.

My breathing improved once in MDE but my energy seemed to decline, can you opine on the drug Tallman just posted about?[/QUOTE]That is a pH thing. You go to Bogota and the first thing you do subconsciously is breathe faster to compensate for the low oxygen levels. This induces a pH issue called respiratory alkalosis because you are blowing off too much carbon dioxide. Acetazolamide does the opposite of that. It helps the kidneys get rid of bicarbonate and in so doing causes metabolic acidosis. The body will compensate for this acid-base issue on its own but this drug accelerates the process. You take it a few days before you have the climb in altitude and your first few days arriving in Bogota.

It is funny the last two times I went to Bogota I was in shape and not in shape. In shape, I had no problems, but the last time I went when I was out of shape was brutal: headaches, fatigue ETC. It is amazing how much this can vary from not just person to person but from time to time.

Yes, Santa Fe is half-dead during day and night. There are fewer girls, and they are not attractive. I will fly to Medellin soon.

After 8 days of quarantine in Bogota, I'm almost recovered from Covid. The hotel has been very helpful, checking up on me daily and they even cut my room rate by 20%. Although, if I'd suspected I had Covid, and would need a quarantine, I'd have found myself a cheaper hotel, I have no complaints with the airport Courtyard by Marriott.

If all goes well, I hope to have a negative test on Monday, ending my quarantine a day or two before I fly home. Now I'm trying to decide how best to use that small window. Other than getting out and eating something that didn't come from room service, I'm undecided.

I still tire easily, so I'm not planning on anything too energetic, but I might find a massage or a club to relieve some boredom. I've had several offers from girls in Medellin to come and take care of me, as well as one in Pereira. One or two of them would be tempting, but not real thrilled with that route.

I'm familiar with the mezzanine, along with another nearby spa, but it's probably disappeared by now. The northern clubs don't much appeal to me, although I'll consider if there's one that I just can't miss. I'm not interested in pulling off the street in Santa Fe. I'd rather go to a club with decent onsite rooms. At this stage of my recovery, I'd probably be satisfied with a good, professional massage with a good happy ending.

I'll probably post a "What's there to do in Bogota" on Facebook, just to see if any of the Medellin girls have a local they want to recommend. If anyone has a suggestion on how to spend a few hours, with minimal physical exertion, let me know.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2575404]That is interesting. There are quite a few changes that happen with high altitude and the one that probably is affecting you is something called 2,3 BPG:[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2[/URL], 3-Bisphosphoglyceric_acid#cite_note-hyperthyroidism2004-3.

When you go up to higher altitude levels, the amount of 2,3 BPG goes up very quickly. Higher 2,3 BPG cause a red blood cell to have a decreased affinity for oxygen which sounds like you have less oxygen but that is not correct. With more 2,3 BPG, you have more available oxygen to use as it is not stuck to the red blood cell.

The amount of 2,3 BPG can vary a lot from person to person as there are conditions that can cause less or more of it. Higher thyroid for example means more 2,3 BPG and lower thyroid means lower levels.

Given that you can go hiking so quickly at Monserrate, it suggests to me you form high levels of 2,3 BPG very quickly and your cells have more oxygen available to them than the average person. Then you can to a lower altitude, you have lower levels of 2,3 BPG and have much less free oxygen running around which could cause fatigue.

Overweight people have higher levels of 2,3 BPG so it will be interesting to see if your weight loss has an effect. It might be worth having your doctor check your thyroid too.

I think I have a more normal response with my 2,3 BPG levels because when I have gone from Bogota to a city with a lower altitude I immediately feel better. It is interesting though that one of the reason Colombianas may be thinner than women in other countries is that you burn more calories at a higher altitude and there is going to be a different effect when you eat carbohydrates high up as well. There is a really good chance that people have less carb craving at higher altitudes because the carbs do not make you feel as good as at lower altitudes.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that info. After lots of googling after previous trips, your explanation is the only one that might explain what I've been experiencing. I'll need to research what you mentioned a bit more, but I'll be happy if I can continue visiting Bogota as I feel it's the best city for our hobby on this side of the world.

Hello friends,

I am new to this forum thread but have been posting in the Rio thread for a while as I have spent the last seven weeks there and just arrived in Bogota a few days ago. Anyone making the trip directly to Colombia to Brazil should be aware that you need proof of a current yellow fever vaccination. Since I did not have this, I had to get vaccinated in Rio, and then go to Anvisa in the GIG airport to receive the official document required by airlines.

I had visited Bogota immediately before the pandemic started, albeit briefly, so was curious to see how things have changed. The first night after I get some sleep, I started in Chapinero, where I checked out Las Divas, Pussy House, and Club Fortynine. Pussy House and Las Divas have really gone down hill- at this point its just basically a bunch of local dudes watching soccer games with a few tired working girls lounging around. The girls were average and below average- and at Pussy House especially, the vibe was really strange with obnoxious music, aggressive crew, and was just overall uncomfortable. Beers were 10 mil I believe. I had remembered a club that was more enticing and seductive. Over at Club Fortynine things seemed to be in partial disrepair and the club was generally shabby compared to the photos on the internet. However, the ratio was much better with perhaps 10-12 SW lounging around. I grabbed an overpriced beer (20 mil) and approached the most attractive girl, a little 20 year old spinner w braces and big tits-there who quoted me 150 mil, but said that BBBJ was not allowed- not even if I met her outside of the club.

This unwillingness to perform BBBJ in just about all the girls I've met the last few days is a real bummer. Such service, including CIM or COF is more common than not in Rio de Janeiro, as is the DFK and groping that precedes taking a girl at a Terma. None of those things exist here. I asked one girl why and she said "she doesn't want to die". I mean, seriously? I'm not going to be enjoying Bogota or Colombia that much if this trend doesn't break. Why would anyone even want to visit a country in which the main enjoyable part of sex is not on the menu? Why would we just not go to another country instead?

Back to our story: frustrated I decide to head to Santa Fe, which I visited briefly in a previous trip but never made it inside a club. I started in Atunes (I think the spelling might be different) - and as it was a Friday night around 9 pm, the place was packed with local dudes and perhaps 20 WG. I liked the vibe a lot- but it was just too loud and crowded to really operate so I had another overpriced beer and headed next door to Troya where the scene was a bit better- here I could actually talk to the ladies and some of them were quite attractive! However- as previously mentioned, all propositions of BBBJ, even with extra compensation were refused, almost as if I said something rude and offensive. I'm still trying to figure this one out- my friend says its because these girls are so high volume. Anyways- I stumbled over to Paisas, already 5 beers deep and not wanting to drink anymore, and one of the many aggressive male crew members approaches me to tell me I have to drink to stick around. Ok fine, I'm out of here.

Wandering semi-drunk around the streets of SF at around 11 pm is perhaps not the smartest thing, but here I was. It is quite an amazing scene, with a surprisingly number of attractive women. A real feat for the eyes. Now and then you look over and there's just a completely legitimate stunner staring back at you as she loiters seductively in her dimly lit "nook". At this point I am still not really comprehending the system here and how these girls and the clubs are linked- I have not yet seen a room and the interconnecting hallways.

Instead of catching an uber, I stumble up the stairs of California, where the vibe is a little more to my liking. As I am taking a piss in the trough, a very aggressive local comes in to tell me in a very loud and animated fashion how great my facial hair is, or something similar. I am holding my penis, trying to pee, and manage to tell him thanks, but also can you see I am trying to pee? Back in the club, there are at least a few good looking ladies and a vibe that's easier to work than the previous clubs. Eventually a spinner comes and sits down next to me and I buy her a Corona. We get to talking and what do you know- she agrees to BBBJ and CIM! I'm astounded and so accept her offer of 100 mil and we are off- through some sort of labyrinth of hallways through another club, finally into a shabby room in a warren of shabby rooms. I think these are the same rooms the girls in front on the street take you to- so I can see the backend a little better. I pay the girl upfront (which I don't like to do so please mongers tell me if that's the legit thing here) The noise of all the clubs was deafening as I remove my clothes and we begin. Unfortunately I received perhaps the most robotic and mechanical attempt at a blowjob that I can recall, and the attitude of the girl was similarly detached, with no kissing, no eye contact- almost just like a human sex doll – and she wouldn't even let me put my hand on her head to guide it down to my cock. This combined with my lingering fatigue resulted in a poor performance on my part, although I manage to squirt out a half hearted little cumshot through a barely erect penis which she quickly spits in the sink. She offers BBFS to me at a greater price, and later on through whatsapp she agrees to CIP on another encounter for 300 mil. Not sure if I'm going to bite given the robotic nature of her performance and the fact that she is so high volume. Still- it was nice to finally get some uncovered service. I get the number of another girl on my way out and head home.

The next day a fellow ISG monger and myself take a visit to "Mezzanine" which is a collection of 6 or so massage rooms a little north of the Parque 93 area. As we come go up the stairs onto said mezzanine all the doors open as if by magic and all the girls peep out to show their cute little selves. I see a cute spinner in the first room and just go with it- my friend does a little shopping before ultimately selecting a girl from the same room unbeknownst to me. Keep in mind I don't do massages and this was just for a laugh- so things that would be familiar to some were new to me. The price was 100 mil. The room was tiny with a rickety little table that I try to relax on upon undressing. The girl is pretty hot, but will not allow kisses so I just suck on her cute titties and finger her pussy which is well lubricated. She puts a condom on my stick and tries to suck on it through the condom- which as I said before I just don't do. There is no sensation- it doesn't do anything for me- so cock remains sadly flaccid throughout the whole comic affair. So sad. If this girl actually did a real BBBJ with CIM, or COF I think I would've gotten pretty hard and for sure pumped her vaginally covered, but once again- that type of service not found easily in Bogota. Still it wasn't unenjoyable for something like $27 usd. My friend had better luck in the room next door and managed to bust a nut. I will not be coming back to this location or any other parlor- for someone like me there is very little point.

The next day I'm really not feeling horny (a theme is emerging here) - perhaps I'm low in my testosterone cycle, perhaps I'm down about all this ridiculous covered sex business, perhaps mongering for 7 weeks straight has taken away the fire, who knows? Nevertheless I decide to recon the more upscale clubs in the Zona T area and so I head out. Upon approaching what used to be an imposing black building with Club Casanova and another club, I see the building has been painted all white and all the doors are shut. Some loitering locals tell me these clubs are permanently closed, but want to show me some other clubs. I agree, knowing full well I will need to throw a tip of 2-4 mil for his services, but that's not really a lot. First club he takes me to "Copacabana"-ironic because I was just coming from the real Copacabana and let me tell you there is nothing in common. I hurriedly sip down the 50 mil Heineken and the lineup of average girls eyes me leerily until they figure out I'm not interested and go sit down. Poor things. This club is awful, don't go.

Next my new "friend" takes me to The Blue Room, which is actually a nice space with potential inside, but perhaps I came to early because there were literally two girls. Other mongers can chime in if this is a worthwhile club, but for now I have too little info. The last club he takes me too "Olimpio" or "Olympia" or some derivation of the word is actually not bad with a healthy selection of girls and a nice big space. I buy another 50 mil corona and grab a chica to go sit with. She's a hot little spinner with a beautiful smile and big eyes and claims to be 20. I buy her an overpriced drink and we hang out a bit. I tell her I'm not taking anyone tonight, but give her 40 mil in cash and she rubs her ass against me and grinds which is very pleasant. Actually had a nice relaxing time talking to this chica for a while, not sure if it was worth 240 mil (the ultimate damage from drinks, etc), but I wasn't going to session that night so it was better than nothing. I get her whatsapp and she quotes me some ridiculous amount for sex but eventually comes down to 400 mil for two hours, and then later 300 mil for one hour. Finally I ask her about BBBJ and CIM and she flatly refuses saying she "doesn't want to die". Again, seriously? Who has been telling these girls not to do BBBJ? Why is this entire country so uptight. Brazilians will do that AND anal like its brushing your teeth.

So that's my first few days in Bogota, I have to say I'm not impressed for the reasons mentioned here. If it's such a huge effort to get what I need (BBBJ), I'm sure I will not be coming back. I've got a few SA coals in the fire, but am reluctant to pull the trigger on those only to be in the same situation. Regardless, my Airbnb is still for about 10 more days before I got to Medellin so I will have to figure out how to make due until then. If anyone has any suggestions, please, please, please let me know. So far Bogota is not impressive in the mongering category and its freaking cold and the altitude is bummer. Sorry to be such a bummer myself, but the Zebra calls it like he sees it.

Zebra Out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2575216]Isn't that backwards? Some athletes train at high elevation so they can kick ass at sea level where there is more air to breathe. The higher you go, the quicker you will experience hypoxia and pass out. You are saying that having more oxygen makes you more tired??[/QUOTE]Yeah it's backwards and why it's so strange. Elvis provided a pretty good explanation of what might be happening to me.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2576251]After 8 days of quarantine in Bogota, I'm almost recovered from Covid. The hotel has been very helpful, checking up on me daily and they even cut my room rate by 20%. Although, if I'd suspected I had Covid, and would need a quarantine, I'd have found myself a cheaper hotel, I have no complaints with the airport Courtyard by Marriott.

If all goes well, I hope to have a negative test on Monday, ending my quarantine a day or two before I fly home. [/QUOTE]Do NOT take a test. The CDC warns against taking a test after the recovery, since the remnants of virus, which aren't contagious anymore, can linger for months. Get a note from the local physician instead to get cleared for the flight.

Disclosure: I'm not a medical professional, so contact one to clarify.

[QUOTE] What if I recently recovered from COVID-19?
CDC does not recommend getting tested again in the three months after a positive viral test, as long as you do not have symptoms of COVID-19. If you have had a positive viral test in the past 3 months, and you have met the criteria to end isolation, you may travel instead with documentation of your positive viral test results and a letter from your healthcare provider or a public health official that states you have been cleared for travel. The positive test result and letter together are referred to as “documentation of recovery.”[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/testing-international-air-travelers.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2576453]Do NOT take a test. The CDC warns against taking a test after the recovery, since the remnants of virus, which aren't contagious anymore, can linger for months. Get a note from the local physician instead to get cleared for the flight.

Disclosure: I'm not a medical professional, so contact one to clarify.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/testing-international-air-travelers.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Good advice and I appreciate it. I didn't consider whether or not I'm now likely to have false positives. Time to contact the hotel manager and see if he can get me a doctor's recovery statement.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2575715]Why do all focus on Santa Fe? There are thousands of options in Bogota and you seem all to focus on the shithole of the city. I don't Get it.[/QUOTE]What options do you want us to focus on? Bogota now is not what it used to be. Most higher end clubs in the North are either closed or moved. Stopped by Mezzanine with my wingman on a Friday afternoon. Poor selection, barely 10 girls in total, average looking. CBJ is standard, and they won't do BBBJ even for an extra fee. Seeking Arrangement sucks, I have said this already. My wingman visited a few clubs in Chapinero. La 49, Pussyhouse, Las Divas on a Friday night. All three sucked, no talent. Tinder sucks too, I got over 90 matches, but not a single one I would do. Colombia used to be my #1 mongering destination, but after I visited Rio this June, Brazil becomes my number 1 in terms of talent and quality of life. I'm not sure if I ever want to come back to Colombia.

Speaking of Santa Fe, do yourself a favor and don't get drunk there and watch your pockets. My buddy lost 2 phones in less than a week. One was stolen by a working girl, second one was pickpocketed.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2576471]What options do you want us to focus on? Bogota now is not what it used to be. Most higher end clubs in the North are either closed or moved. Stopped by Mezzanine with my wingman on a Friday afternoon. Poor selection, barely 10 girls in total, average looking. CBJ is standard, and they won't do BBBJ even for an extra fee. Seeking Arrangement sucks, I have said this already. My wingman visited a few clubs in Chapinero. La 49, Pussyhouse, Las Divas on a Friday night. All three sucked, no talent. Tinder sucks too, I got over 90 matches, but not a single one I would do. Colombia used to be my #1 mongering destination, but after I visited Rio this June, Brazil becomes my number 1 in terms of talent and quality of life. I'm not sure if I ever want to come back to Colombia.

Speaking of Santa Fe, do yourself a favor and don't get drunk there and watch your pockets. My buddy lost 2 phones in less than a week. One was stolen by a working girl, second one was pickpocketed.[/QUOTE]I don't like SF either and online is not for me, escorts and brothels have pimps / madames "calling the shots".

So I do my best work, off the beaten path, this is where I really excel jajajajaaa.

I wish I was there to show you some tips!!

I do off road mountain biking, I think of it the same way.

No guts no glory (many surgeries and trips to the ER but in the end YOLO).

I live here. I have a rare condition. My body does not acclimate to the altitude. I finally woke up and started drinking te coca. Wow. No problems for 3 weeks. And one day I walked, slowly, about 7 miles. Otherwise, I would have these 'spells' where I would feel like I was going to faint. I had a complete heart exam at Fundacion Santa Fe. Total negative. I drink the tea twice or three times a day. It has nothing to do with cocaine.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2576251]Now I'm trying to decide how best to use that small window. Other than getting out and eating something that didn't come from room service, I'm undecided.
[/QUOTE]I just passed by your hotel and thought to myself, why didn't he order Rappi?

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;2576489]I live here. I have a rare condition. My body does not acclimate to the altitude. I finally woke up and started drinking te coca. Wow. No problems for 3 weeks. And one day I walked, slowly, about 7 miles. Otherwise, I would have these 'spells' where I would feel like I was going to faint. I had a complete heart exam at Fundacion Santa Fe. Total negative. I drink the tea twice or three times a day. It has nothing to do with cocaine.[/QUOTE]Cocoa tea is a stimulant and opens up your airways. That is the effect you are seeing.

When I am in Bogota for more than 3 days, my nose starts running. I bought a nasal antihistamine and it went away. In your case, you should do that if your nose is stopped up like mine.

And for a better stimulant, use an asthma inhaler like Advair. It is a steroid in combination with a bronchodilator. You take two puffs of that twice daily. I think you can get that over the counter in Bogota.

It sounds like you just have routine asthma / allergies. The problem with natural stimulants is that most only last at most 4 or 5 hours. And stimulants (like cocaine) make sex better. I am more sensitive and have bigger loads when I use stimulants.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2576527]I just passed by your hotel and thought to myself, why didn't he order Rappi?[/QUOTE]I tried to order Rappi in Medellin and after setting everything up and confirming the test charge on my card, 10 minutes later they told me they had cancelled the order because they couldn't confirm the charge to my card. Ended up ordering pizza.

Mostly my appetite hasn't been worth the effort. A cup of yogurt for breakfast and a few spoonful's of Ajiaco for dinner was all I could handle. Back to eating full meals today. Tomorrow morning I've got a doctor coming over to hopefully give me a certificate of recovery, so I can get off quarantine.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;2576489]I live here. I have a rare condition. My body does not acclimate to the altitude. I finally woke up and started drinking te coca. Wow. No problems for 3 weeks. And one day I walked, slowly, about 7 miles. Otherwise, I would have these 'spells' where I would feel like I was going to faint. I had a complete heart exam at Fundacion Santa Fe. Total negative. I drink the tea twice or three times a day. It has nothing to do with cocaine.[/QUOTE]My first time in Bogota I was still in halfway decent shape. The altitude didn't bother me until the day I tried walking up a slight hill. Damn near wiped me out.

My other 2 visits were after spending months in Medellin, losing quite a bit of weight and walking 5-10 miles every day. One day I walked nearly 30 miles and other than sore legs I felt great. That includes walking all the way from Parque Virrey to Unicentro mall and then back through Chapinero.

This time, with dealing with the Covid, there have been days when walking to the bathroom was an ordeal. I'm hoping tomorrow I'll get to at least do a bit of walking to test my recovery.

Zebra when you went to Mezzanine the reason why all of the doors magically opened when you went up the stairs was because each of those rooms the girls are in have a bank of cameras pointing at the stairs you have to walk up and the walkway to each of the doors. So they see you coming.

Also I had to literally either bend the girl over the massage table or have her open her legs and sit on the edge. Thats how small the rooms are.

Still for a quick nut its not bad an an interesting experience.

Showdown.

I lasted 5 nights in Bogota before I decided it wasn't for me. Flying to Medellin tomorrow.

Other than the previously mentioned difficulty finding BBBJ and associated extras, it seems like the pandemic and economic issues have changed the mongering scene. Cassanova and Lidos have shut down or moved, the remaining clubs in Zona T area are terrible- Pussy House, La 49 are in decline, and as people have mentioned Santa Fe is not up to par. In general the streets seem empty- "for sale" and "for rent" signs are in about half the windows. I am in Parque 93, and walking around this morning I felt like I was in a post-apocalyptic sci fi movie where I was the last man alive. Add to that its cold and the thin air makes it hard to sleep- not sure why this is on anyone's list.

My buddy had a great experience 6 months ago with SA, but it seems even that has gone downhill. I think the main draw for Bogota at this point is for people who like quick, covered, cheap, impersonal sex in SF or the casas- which granted is still a draw. Other than that, there's no reason to be here. I doubt I will come back.

Zebra.

Thanks to the advice of Xpartan, I just received a certificate of recovery from Covid and will be heading home Thursday morning. The best part was, it's cheaper to have a doctor make a house call than it is to get a Covid test at home. 150 k for the doctor and she was hot.

The site I used for the doctor was.

[URL]https://controlmedic.co[/URL]

You can handle everything through WhatsApp.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2576654]Zebra when you went to Mezzanine the reason why all of the doors magically opened when you went up the stairs was because each of those rooms the girls are in have a bank of cameras pointing at the stairs you have to walk up and the walkway to each of the doors. So they see you coming.

Also I had to literally either bend the girl over the massage table or have her open her legs and sit on the edge. Thats how small the rooms are.

Still for a quick nut its not bad an an interesting experience.

Showdown.[/QUOTE]I figured that. It's a cool little place and my girl was actually attractive. Just in general it might be that format is not for me. But yeah, crazy small rooms.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2576684]I lasted 5 nights in Bogota before I decided it wasn't for me. Flying to Medellin tomorrow.

Other than the previously mentioned difficulty finding BBBJ and associated extras, it seems like the pandemic and economic issues have changed the mongering scene. Cassanova and Lidos have shut down or moved, the remaining clubs in Zona T area are terrible- Pussy House, La 49 are in decline, and as people have mentioned Santa Fe is not up to par. In general the streets seem empty- "for sale" and "for rent" signs are in about half the windows. I am in Parque 93, and walking around this morning I felt like I was in a post-apocalyptic sci fi movie where I was the last man alive. Add to that its cold and the thin air makes it hard to sleep- not sure why this is on anyone's list.

My buddy had a great experience 6 months ago with SA, but it seems even that has gone downhill. I think the main draw for Bogota at this point is for people who like quick, covered, cheap, impersonal sex in SF or the casas- which granted is still a draw. Other than that, there's no reason to be here. I doubt I will come back.

Zebra.[/QUOTE]Gosh, you are depressing me, I'm due to fly there in August. Hopefully I have a chica there who waits for me but that was not the plan to shag only my regular. I hope that your view is subjective and I will find fun. I used to go through the casas in chapinero during day lights, I found gems there. Are they all closed as well? I learnt that chica milenio is closed but there were at least 20 more in the area.

Covered blowjob is not new in Bogota, it has always been. Are you sure you visited before? It changes to uncovered only once the girl knows you a bit more after you saw her a few times.

Currently otg, and having been all over Brazil, Colombia, and mexico this year, santa fe has the best sw talent as well as prince / quality in the Western Hemisphere. Maybe some of you guys arent peeking in all the doorways, side streets, etc? It's not like mde where they all stand there eying you down in a square block. Some are eating icecream, talking in groups, there isn't a better place for wam bam sw rn imo. Obviously there are slow days, during copa america itsempty and DIA festivosc but other than that it's almost 70% vennies out here and there is always somebody to fuck everyday 10-10 ime.

I guess it's a ymmv thing, the sessions have been great everyday for me.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2576684]I am in Parque 93, and walking around this morning I felt like I was in a post-apocalyptic sci fi movie where I was the last man alive.[/QUOTE]That is because today is a holiday. I always warn that Bogota will not give you a vacation feel. It is just a big, high-altitude, cold city. Good thing I stayed in Holiday Inn last night where they have heat (not to mention the nurse that was warming my body). Now I am off to an apartment hotel where I am not sure of the heat situation, but I need the washer and dryer that are in the apartment.

For me the main draw of Bogota is the non-pros, same reason I frequent Barranquilla. In Medellin the flake rate is off the charts. That is why I left there and came to Bogota 1 day early.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2576550]My first time in Bogota I was still in halfway decent shape. The altitude didn't bother me until the day I tried walking up a slight hill. Damn near wiped me out.

My other 2 visits were after spending months in Medellin, losing quite a bit of weight and walking 5-10 miles every day. One day I walked nearly 30 miles and other than sore legs I felt great. That includes walking all the way from Parque Virrey to Unicentro mall and then back through Chapinero.

This time, with dealing with the Covid, there have been days when walking to the bathroom was an ordeal. I'm hoping tomorrow I'll get to at least do a bit of walking to test my recovery.[/QUOTE]Unlike Cuzco that hit me like a hummer so I was scared to go to bed since it felt like I might die in my sleep, However, next morning I felt great and full of energy. Bogota was sneaky. I didn't notice the altitude until I went uphill one block from my hotel, swam in a pool and fucked a girl. Walking on a flat terrain was perfectly fine. And it didn't let go for 5 days until I left.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2576684]I lasted 5 nights in Bogota before I decided it wasn't for me. Flying to Medellin tomorrow.

Other than the previously mentioned difficulty finding BBBJ and associated extras, it seems like the pandemic and economic issues have changed the mongering scene. Cassanova and Lidos have shut down or moved, the remaining clubs in Zona T area are terrible- Pussy House, La 49 are in decline, and as people have mentioned Santa Fe is not up to par. In general the streets seem empty- "for sale" and "for rent" signs are in about half the windows. I am in Parque 93, and walking around this morning I felt like I was in a post-apocalyptic sci fi movie where I was the last man alive. Add to that its cold and the thin air makes it hard to sleep- not sure why this is on anyone's list.

My buddy had a great experience 6 months ago with SA, but it seems even that has gone downhill. I think the main draw for Bogota at this point is for people who like quick, covered, cheap, impersonal sex in SF or the casas- which granted is still a draw. Other than that, there's no reason to be here. I doubt I will come back.

Zebra.[/QUOTE]Well, it's hard to be impressed with any SA city after Rio, but don't give up on Bogota yet. Yes, it's a big city (like NYC), but in normal times it has its moments. Come back when all this shit is over.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2576686]Thanks to the advice of Xpartan, I just received a certificate of recovery from Covid and will be heading home Thursday morning. The best part was, it's cheaper to have a doctor make a house call than it is to get a Covid test at home. 150 k for the doctor and she was hot.

The site I used for the doctor was.

[URL]https://controlmedic.co[/URL]

You can handle everything through WhatsApp.[/QUOTE]Glad everything's worked out for you!

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2576783]Currently otg, and having been all over Brazil, Colombia, and mexico this year, santa fe has the best sw talent as well as prince / quality in the Western Hemisphere. Maybe some of you guys arent peeking in all the doorways, side streets, etc? It's not like mde where they all stand there eying you down in a square block. Some are eating icecream, talking in groups, there isn't a better place for wam bam sw rn imo. Obviously there are slow days, during copa america itsempty and DIA festivosc but other than that it's almost 70% vennies out here and there is always somebody to fuck everyday 10-10 ime.

I guess it's a ymmv thing, the sessions have been great everyday for me.[/QUOTE]Yep, some days slow, but there are plenty of hot girls during the week-.

But of course Santa Fe is not for every man-.

To celebrate my release from quarantine this morning, I got out and did some walking, including a few laps around Santa Fe. For those of you who say Santa Fe is terrible, you're absolutely right. For those of you who say Santa Fe is awesome, you're also absolutely right. It's clearly an area where people are going to have strong opinions.

I started off my exercise by walking from my hotel to Portal Dorado, the closest Transmilenio station to the airport. It only took about 15 minutes and I was walking slow. Cost to buy a card for the Transmilenio was 6 k and each trip costs 2500. From Portal Dorado the L10 bus goes directly to Calle 22, takes about 15 minutes and Calle 22 station lets you out half a block from La Piscina. With today being a holiday it wasn't crowded at all.

I walked twice through the 4 blocks just west of La Piscina and walked a few blocks further north south and west. I wasn't planning an exhaustive survey of the area, I just wanted to form an opinion.

Although I was moving very slowly today (for 10 days, the furthest I walked was to the bathroom), I didn't seem to attract any attention. There were not too many people out, and not many girls out, but enough to get an idea. I felt quite safe and comfortable walking around. There was only one club open (about noon), with several touts out front. None of them were any bother.

I didn't see any girls who looked too young, but definitely some who looked too old. I did see two who would have been tempting, if I had more energy. There was a fair amount of eye candy as see-through clothes are more popular than in Medellin. As I've come to expect in Colombia, none of the girls were forward, just eye contact, smiles and a couple making that annoying clicking noise.

I imagine, later in the afternoon, when it's not a holiday, there should be something to satisfy anyone who prefers the street action.

From Santa Fe I hopped back on the Transmilenio to head to Chapinero. My only goal in Chapinero was lunch and taking some time to sit and rest. I ended up on a bus that didn't stop where I wanted, so I had to backtrack. No big deal, both buses were nearly empty. Walked to Centro Comercial Atlantis for some soup, juice and ice cream at Crepes and Waffles. Mainly I needed an excuse to sit and rest.

After lunch I decided all I could handle today was a massage. I'm sure there are some massage places in Bogota like the ones in Rio Sur, Medellin. I just have no idea where to find them. Instead I ended up at La Dulceria in Fontibon. If I hadn't been so exhausted by the time I got there, I would have continued on and found someplace else.

Girl came down when I rang the bell and told me I would have to wait a few minutes. A few turned out to be about 40 minutes. That helped some because by then I'd walked 6 miles and I needed to regain some energy. Finally 1 girl showed up, pretty good looking, nice body, probably about 30.

I chose the hour service, at the ridiculous price of 180 k. By that point, I decided my day was finished and after all the time I had already spent, I was at least going to find out how it was.

There really was no massage. She squirted a bunch of oil on my back, did a halfway body to body rub and that was it. There was a moment of levity when she asked if I wanted a prostate massage and I said yes, before my ears finished translating. "Yes. No. No. No. " From there about a minute or unenthusiastic CBJ, followed by cowgirl, that being the only position I had the energy for.

If she was in a casa charging 50 k or so for 30 minutes I would have been happy with the entire thing, but at that price, there's no way I'd ever return.

Called an Uber from there and returned to the hotel. Overall I'm happy with the day. Spent too much and got too little, but it felt good to be out doing some walking.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2576684]I lasted 5 nights in Bogota before I decided it wasn't for me. Flying to Medellin tomorrow.

Other than the previously mentioned difficulty finding BBBJ and associated extras, it seems like the pandemic and economic issues have changed the mongering scene. Cassanova and Lidos have shut down or moved, the remaining clubs in Zona T area are terrible- Pussy House, La 49 are in decline, and as people have mentioned Santa Fe is not up to par. In general the streets seem empty- "for sale" and "for rent" signs are in about half the windows. I am in Parque 93, and walking around this morning I felt like I was in a post-apocalyptic sci fi movie where I was the last man alive. Add to that its cold and the thin air makes it hard to sleep- not sure why this is on anyone's list.

My buddy had a great experience 6 months ago with SA, but it seems even that has gone downhill. I think the main draw for Bogota at this point is for people who like quick, covered, cheap, impersonal sex in SF or the casas- which granted is still a draw. Other than that, there's no reason to be here. I doubt I will come back.

Zebra.[/QUOTE]Sorry you had a bad trip to Bogota. I know Parque 93 area very well, my hotel for the last 9 years is around the corner. I think the fact that Monday was a holiday had a lot to do with the deserted scene you witnessed. I have not had any problem with BBBJ at all, in fact the only time a girl insisted on covered BJ was it the states years ago and I broomed her. That's why I hate sex in the states. As far as Bogota goes, I can't remember a time that I had a problem with BBBJ. I feel the same about SF, Pussyhouse etc. Not my scene. I did have a good experience in Juan Pablos years ago and still keep in touch with her. Lalos had hot women but the gringo prices were ridiculous and an insult.

No soy Papaya!

Is Santa fe SW back up and running like before pandemic or still kinda meh?

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2576783]Currently otg, and having been all over Brazil, Colombia, and mexico this year, santa fe has the best sw talent as well as prince / quality in the Western Hemisphere. Maybe some of you guys arent peeking in all the doorways, side streets, etc? It's not like mde where they all stand there eying you down in a square block. Some are eating icecream, talking in groups, there isn't a better place for wam bam sw rn imo. Obviously there are slow days, during copa america itsempty and DIA festivosc but other than that it's almost 70% vennies out here and there is always somebody to fuck everyday 10-10 ime.

I guess it's a ymmv thing, the sessions have been great everyday for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2577114]As far as Bogota goes, I can't remember a time that I had a problem with BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Any intel about ease of getting BBFS?

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2577171]Any intel about ease of getting BBFS?[/QUOTE]I'm going to differ with Latin lover here on BBBJ. This past weekend I visited many locations in Zona T, Chapinero, and Santa Fe and propositioned seven SW, only one would do BBBJ. This same girl did offer BBFS, but triple the price. So from my experience both of these are pretty difficult to find which is why I am about to board a flight to Medellin. It's ridiculous.

The area where La Dulceria casa is Teusaquillo, not Fontibon. The casa is at Carrera 21 #52-06. It's an orange building with a white door. Ring the buzzer. It shows up on Google Maps.

I had to go back there today because I left my jacket yesterday and I really like that jacket. There was a very cute girl who answered the door there today and the girl from yesterday was also there. If the price doesn't scare you off, it does look like there's some decent talent. I'd stick with 30 minutes, though and treat it like a casa instead of a massage parlor.

Since I was back in the area, I walked around some and had breakfast. The neighborhood has a nice feel to it. It's near National University of Colombia and had a college vibe. There are lots of restaurants that look tempting and seem to have good prices. For just hanging out, people watching, eating and drinking, I think it's an excellent choice. There are a few other massage, casa places in the area, although I'm not sure what's still open, or how the other places stack up.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2577114]. As far as Bogota goes, I can't remember a time that I had a problem with BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Sorry but that can't be true or you have a very limited experiences and was lucky.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2577248]Sorry but that can't be true or you have a very limited experiences and was lucky.[/QUOTE]It can be true, but you need to consider where each person is pulling girls from. In Medellin I almost always get BBBJ, I never have paid extra for it, or had to negotiate for it. However, I mostly see low volume Facebook girls and often spend time either in the shower, or in the jacuzzi with the girls before getting down to business.

If I was only frequenting the casas and strip clubs, or picking up SWs, I'd rarely get BBBJ, because I'm unwilling to pay extra for it.

So if a guy is getting girls from clubs, casas or the streets in Bogota, they're probably having a tough time getting BBBJ. If they're finding more independent girls, who probably cost a bit more, but are lower volume, then they're probably not having any problem.

Well the last time I reviewed a nice restaurant, which I thoroughly enjoyed, I found out from several people, including some who had never been there, or hadn't been in a few years, that it's a horrible restaurant that nobody should ever visit. Let's try again.

Took the 2 girls who came from Medellin to visit me out to La Santa Guadalupe. It's located on Calle 109 just west of Carrera 15. It's a Mexican restaurant with nice decor. Prices are pretty high, close to 50 k average per entree. Price for 3 entrees, 4 drinks and an appetizer came to just over 300 k. Portion size is pretty large, there were plenty of leftovers.

They've got a pretty large menu with a wide variety of choices. Normally when a Colombiana says she likes spicy food that means it's okay to add a tiny bit of black pepper. However, one of the girls ordered some real tongue burner stuff and had no problem with it.

This was actually my second visit to the restaurant. 4 years ago I was staying right around the corner and had dinner there one night. I was happy enough with it to want to return again.

It's also just about 5 blocks away from the Mezzanine.

YMMV.

Before returning to the US, I ordered a Covid test on my last day through my hotel. It was very inconvenient. I reserved a block of time from 3 PM - 6 PM but the nurse didn't get to the hotel until after 9. I got my negative result emailed to me. Delta has a thing where you can upload your results but it didn't work for me and said I would need to show the gate agent. But I never had to. I never showed my Covid test to anybody. It seems that all you have to do is fill out that stupid attestation form when you check in for your flight.

I went to my favorite testing lab, Cendiatra today. It is only 1 mile from where I am staying this time, so I decided to walk it. I arrived at 12. It was pretty crowded, but I was out of there at 12:46. She said I would receive my results in whatsapp and if I did not receive it within 2 hours then to call the number on the paper that she gave me. I said but last time I just waited outside and got the paper copy like those other people. She said those are people that are testing for their employer. Everybody else gets it through whatsapp. 90,000 pesos. I received my negative results at 1:04 while I was walking back to my spot.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2577671]YMMV.

Before returning to the US, I ordered a Covid test on my last day through my hotel. It was very inconvenient. I reserved a block of time from 3 PM - 6 PM but the nurse didn't get to the hotel until after 9. I got my negative result emailed to me. Delta has a thing where you can upload your results but it didn't work for me and said I would need to show the gate agent. But I never had to. I never showed my Covid test to anybody. It seems that all you have to do is fill out that stupid attestation form when you check in for your flight.[/QUOTE]It was a pain in the ass, then when I get to the MDE aeropuerto and check in at Spirit nobody ever asked for it.

Nobody anywhere asked for Check Mig either.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2577248]Sorry but that can't be true or you have a very limited experiences and was lucky.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry if your trip didn't pan out so well but please don't shoot the messenger. Also, If you call 40 or 50 trips to Colombia, mostly to Bogotá and filling up 3 passports, one with added pages, with international stamps 'limited' I guess I was "lucky".

It may be because I rarely, if never go to SF or the casa's. I have been to mezzanine a few times in the last few years and always got BBBJ. If your MO is chasing the hard core pros, that sounds like the reason your getting hard core working girl service. I hope you have better experience on your next stop.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2577431]Well the last time I reviewed a nice restaurant, which I thoroughly enjoyed, I found out from several people, including some who had never been there, or hadn't been in a few years, that it's a horrible restaurant that nobody should ever visit. Let's try again.

Took the 2 girls who came from Medellin to visit me out to La Santa Guadalupe. It's located on Calle 109 just west of Carrera 15. It's a Mexican restaurant with nice decor. Prices are pretty high, close to 50 k average per entree. Price for 3 entrees, 4 drinks and an appetizer came to just over 300 k. Portion size is pretty large, there were plenty of leftovers.

They've got a pretty large menu with a wide variety of choices. Normally when a Colombiana says she likes spicy food that means it's okay to add a tiny bit of black pepper. However, one of the girls ordered some real tongue burner stuff and had no problem with it.

This was actually my second visit to the restaurant. 4 years ago I was staying right around the corner and had dinner there one night. I was happy enough with it to want to return again.

It's also just about 5 blocks away from the Mezzanine.[/QUOTE]I believe the restaurant your speaking of is next to Jacques Pastelería, one of my favorite spots, if so I'll be sure to check out the Mexican spot next month when I return to Bogotá. Thanks for the heads up.

Hi guys.

Like the title says, have any of you Canadians gents traveled from Toronto Pearson Intl via Air Canada direct to Bogota? I see Colombia has no restrictions for entry other than filling out the CheckMig form and installing the CoronApp. Returning to Canada, it looks like I need a PCR test taken less than 72 hours before my departure and to use the ArriveCan app to upload my information. I've got both my vaccinations and shot #2 will be in me almost 1 month before I leave, so I am fully mRNA vaccinated. I've got my paper receipts and also backed up digitally in various places, including my phone. Already installed the CoronApp for Colombia and the ArriveCan app for my return to Canada. I've not had Covid to my knowledge and I have never been tested.

My big question is are there any requirements to get on the Air Canada plane in Toronto? I'm a frequent traveler normally, but this is my 1st Covid trip, so I am nervous about what I don't know. I don't want some obscure thing screwing up my trip. My online research has produced mixed results, but nothing specific to Colombia.

I appreciate anyone sharing their experience so far. I plan on sitting on hold tomorrow while I wait to talk to Air Canada and get the rule (s) from them. Their website and chat bots were not helpful. I did search for "Canada" in the Bogota forum and the most recent post was February. A lot has changed since then.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2577674]I went to my favorite testing lab, Cendiatra today. It is only 1 mile from where I am staying this time, so I decided to walk it. I arrived at 12. It was pretty crowded, but I was out of there at 12:46. She said I would receive my results in whatsapp and if I did not receive it within 2 hours then to call the number on the paper that she gave me. I said but last time I just waited outside and got the paper copy like those other people. She said those are people that are testing for their employer. Everybody else gets it through whatsapp. 90,000 pesos. I received my negative results at 1:04 while I was walking back to my spot.[/QUOTE]Well, if you're flying out to Atlanta tomorrow we'll be on the same flight.

Guerinto, everything looks fine. You will need a negative PCR test to board.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2577741]I'm sorry if your trip didn't pan out so well but please don't shoot the messenger. Also, If you call 40 or 50 trips to Colombia, mostly to Bogot and filling up 3 passports, one with added pages, with international stamps 'limited' I guess I was "lucky".

It may be because I rarely, if never go to SF or the casa's. I have been to mezzanine a few times in the last few years and always got BBBJ. If your MO is chasing the hard core pros, that sounds like the reason your getting hard core working girl service. I hope you have better experience on your next stop.[/QUOTE]What you had experienced in the last few years is no longer relevant. Me and my wingman were both denied BBBJ at Mezzanine last week. Coincidence? I don't think so. The girl I sessioned with said CBJ is standard at Mezzanine and refused to accept extra tip for BBBJ. I had a date with SA girl a couple of days ago. Once we got to my apartment she refused to BBBJ. We argued for good 30 minutes before we finally settled on 70 mil COP extra for BBBJ. Never in my life I paid above the agreed on rate to SA girl and never in my life even had this issue. All of my prior SA dates provided BBBJ without me asking for it or paying extra.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2577829]What you had experienced in the last few years is no longer relevant. Me and my wingman were both denied BBBJ at Mezzanine last week. Coincidence? I don't think so. The girl I sessioned with said CBJ is standard at Mezzanine and refused to accept extra tip for BBBJ. I had a date with SA girl a couple of days ago. Once we got to my apartment she refused to BBBJ. We argued for good 30 minutes before we finally settled on 70 mil COP extra for BBBJ. Never in my life I paid above the agreed on rate to SA girl and never in my life even had this issue. All of my prior SA dates provided BBBJ without me asking for it or paying extra.[/QUOTE]That may be the current situation at Mezzanine, although I've been to Bogota 7 times in the last 9 months I have not been to mezzanine since pre-pandemic times and I always had good luck around back with the last 2 doors, not sure about the numbers I think 8 or 9, I don't remember but it's around back, the last two doors. I'.

I'm not real good with posting photos or how to get them from my cloud to here but her is one of my favorite for the last few years no condom for anything.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2577857]That may be the current situation at Mezzanine, although I've been to Bogota 7 times in the last 9 months I have not been to mezzanine since pre-pandemic times and I always had good luck around back with the last 2 doors, not sure about the numbers I think 8 or 9, I don't remember but it's around back, the last two doors. I'.

I'm not real good with posting photos or how to get them from my cloud to here but her is one of my faavorite for the last few years no condom for anything.[/QUOTE]Yeah but you are talking about girls you've seen several times and even for years. As I said below, the standard service is by default CBJ in Colombia full stop. No need to argue, discuss or mention the number of stamps on your passport to justify yourself, this is what it is and it's common practice to embellish reality when talking on forums. The ways to change that is to pay an extra but no guarantee this will work, second option is visiting several times the same SP as you obviously do and girls treat you as a regular. Third option is to find a novia but, no thanks, that option is not for me.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2575737]I read that Atunes reopened on June 28 after being closed for 15 months. Does anyone here know how much it costs to buy a non-alcoholic drink there like water or orange juice?[/QUOTE]Not sure where you got that information, but Atunes has been open at least since mid-February. Went there probably 10 times from mid-Feb to April. Prices have definitely gone up. Beers are now 10 k. I can remember them being 3 k back in the day. For non-alcoholic don't remember much but seem to remember a Red Bull going for 20 k. I have a guy who's worked there for years. If you really need to know the prices for non-alcoholic drinks, let me know and I'll get in touch with him to find out.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2577857]That may be the current situation at Mezzanine, although I've been to Bogota 7 times in the last 9 months I have not been to mezzanine since pre-pandemic times and I always had good luck around back with the last 2 doors, not sure about the numbers I think 8 or 9, I don't remember but it's around back, the last two doors. I'.

I'm not real good with posting photos or how to get them from my cloud to here but her is one of my faavorite for the last few years no condom for anything.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the current situation is different. There is no good talent at Mezzanine now. Also, went to check out Abadubai Spa which was highly recommended here, but it is shut down and there is a "for rent" sign hanging.

Chicas Milenio was also highly recommended as the best brothel in terms of quality / selection and price, but I could not find it. I know they moved, so I went to their supposedly new address, but since there was no sign or visible security, I just could not find it (maybe it was closed too).

Going rates are up, gentlemen. I have been quoted 800 mil COP by SA girls (7. 5+) a few times, and they won't budge. Even those whom I have fucked for way less money before.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2577953]Yeah, the current situation is different. There is no good talent at Mezzanine now. Also, went to check out Abadubai Spa which was highly recommended here, but it is shut down and there is a "for rent" sign hanging.

Chicas Milenio was also highly recommended as the best brothel in terms of quality / selection and price, but I could not find it. I know they moved, so I went to their supposedly new address, but since there was no sign or visible security, I just could not find it (maybe it was closed too).

Going rates are up, gentlemen. I have been quoted 800 mil COP by SA girls (7. 5+) a few times, and they won't budge. Even those whom I have fucked for way less money before.[/QUOTE]I haven't experienced any of that but having a serious novia for the last 4 years I only get one or 2 opportunities per trip to see some old favorites and they remain at 200 cop plus taxi. 800 for a 7.5 That's insane. The most I ever got quoted was from a hot girl maybe an 8 on a good day was 400. We sat down with a wine to chat and I see she has 2 phones!! A really bad sign and she has been to Miami, another bad sign. 3 rules to never break. No women who have been to the states, has 2 phones and never pay up front!

Violate any of the 3 and you will be sorry. Sounds like Bogota is going the way of Medellin. TOO MANY GRINGOS fucking up the system. With all the for rent signs everywhere in Bogota and speaking to a lot of my amigas on whatsapp I still here story after story of no JOB no Money No food. Hard to justify anything over 300 for Sophia Vigarra jaja.

How do they work, for example if I wanted a girl to come over would I pay in advance or after the session?

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2577887]Yeah but you are talking about girls you've seen several times and even for years. As I said below, the standard service is by default CBJ in Colombia full stop. No need to argue, discuss or mention the number of stamps on your passport to justify yourself, this is what it is and it's common practice to embellish reality when talking on forums. The ways to change that is to pay an extra but no guarantee this will work, second option is visiting several times the same SP as you obviously do and girls treat you as a regular. Third option is to find a novia but, no thanks, that option is not for me.[/QUOTE]I only mentioned my passport because you accused me of 'limited experience' and being 'lucky' jaja So I was just reminding you with over a hundred trips to Bogota, that I am neither of these. No need to call me out just because my experience is different from yours. If you only go to places like Pussy house and SF and see hard core prepagos, then I'm not surprised you only get CBJ. BTW, lay off the vailed accusations that I am embellishing or lying about anything. Not cool, and you should lay off the personal attacks. Have a good trip and I hope things pan out for you where ever you wind up. Peace.

For my last day in Bogota (post quarantine, pre flight) I played tourist. The first stop was Salto del Tequendama, a large waterfall about an hour drive from the airport. It's only about 30 miles, but you have to deal with Bogota traffic.

Other than the traffic, it's a pretty easy drive, only a short stretch of somewhat winding roads. There's a wide spot in the road with a couple of little makeshift restaurants at the only decent viewpoint. There's also another spot to pull over just a little bit further. You can't see the waterfall from there, but it's a really nice view of the valley.

Just don't look too closely at the water. It's nasty. At one point the road passes fairly close to the river and you'll want to have the windows rolled up. It's basically an open sewer.

Back in Bogota we went to Parque Mundo Aventura, a fairly small amusement park. The cost per person, for the unlimited day pass, is 59,900 COP, which includes lunch (no more than a 15 k value). Although we had a good time, it's not worth the price. There are a couple of halfway decent rides, but nothing you'll regret missing.

I did leave Bogota with a better impression. I might consider spending a few days there next time strictly for mongering.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2578311]I only mentioned my passport because you accused me of 'limited experience' and being 'lucky' jaja So I was just reminding you with over a hundred trips to Bogota, that I am neither of these. No need to call me out just because my experience is different from yours. If you only go to places like Pussy house and SF and see hard core prepagos, then I'm not surprised you only get CBJ. BTW, lay off the vailed accusations that I am embellishing or lying about anything. Not cool, and you should lay off the personal attacks. Have a good trip and I hope things pan out for you where ever you wind up. Peace.[/QUOTE]P.S: watching YouTube video about Colombia does not count a trip to the country.
Have fun.

Thursday morning I headed to the airport (as always, too early) to catch my flight back to Atlanta. I just needed to show my passport and flight information to get into the airport. However, the person prechecking passengers before they approached the counter questioned me pretty extensively. Where did I stay? What places did I visit? What did I do at Guatape? What were some of the sights on the boat tour? What do I do for a living? What specific area do I work in?

After questioning I was able to approach the counter. There I had to show my certificate of recovery from Covid and my prior positive test results. Nobody at any point asked about the Check Migración form, which I had filled out.

At the gate I can as called up again and I was asked if they had checked my Covid test results at the ticket counter. I said yes and that was it.

Arriving in Atlanta I was first off and there were only a few people in front of me at the Customs line. I got held up a few minutes because the officer in my line was blatantly hitting hard on the woman in front of me. Some serious thirst going on there. He only spent a few minutes looking over my passport and asking some basic questions. Nothing like the interrogation I got from Delta. I was waiting in Baggage Claim about 8 minutes after I got off the plane.

Overall it was a good return flight, although the heat and humidity hit me hard after 2 weeks in Bogota.

One major difference this trip from last year, nobody was checking people for fever. Only place that checked was the restaurant at Parque Mundo Aventura. There were a few places where I was asked to sanitize my hands, but very few. Masks are still common, but not as universal as last year. I did see a cop in Medellin stop a girl and make her mask up.

I have been with ISG so long I don't remember when I started. After many years traveling to Europe I began traveling to SA. My first stop was Buenos Aires. Beautiful city and 12-14 years ago this was the hot spot in SA. This is a guess but I would say in 7-8 years I visited BA at least 30 times. I thought about moving there but no ocean was a draw back so I checked out Rio. Wow this was BA with an ocean. A few years later I checked BA out again and the ISG site was dead. It went from the most active ISG site to dead. I made a post asking what happened. From several senior members I got the same answer. Members would make a post and here would come the replies telling them how their post was stupid or how could their opinions be so ridiculous. They said this happened so frequently it was as though some members were just waiting for a post so they could reply with something nasty. Participation fell off and now it is what it is.

All the ISG sites in Colombia are great. Many members love to read it daily. I do. I don't travel as often as I once did but reading all the Colombia sites is a good way to keep me up on what's going on. If a member wants to post something critical or nasty about someone's post I would suggest you post it on one of the Bangladesh sites, they love that trash talk.

Just my opinion.

Hey All,

Will be in Bogota at the end of next week.

But its my first time and my Spanish skills are very very limited.

But maybe you can help me, how to ask the right questions.

What are the correct translations for these questions.

1. The price is for short time or long time?

2. Which service is included?

3. Is BBBJ possible?

4. What is the price for the hotel?

Then how are the prices for the short time hotels? 1 HR /2 HR?

How much to pay for the room or the service guy of the clubs / casas (just Santa Fe)?

What prices are rip off?

Some places in Santa Fe (Hotels / Club) to definitely stand away from?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2578442]For my last day in Bogota (post quarantine, pre flight) I played tourist. The first stop was Salto del Tequendama, a large waterfall about an hour drive from the airport. It's only about 30 miles, but you have to deal with Bogota traffic.

Other than the traffic, it's a pretty easy drive, only a short stretch of somewhat winding roads. There's a wide spot in the road with a couple of little makeshift restaurants at the only decent viewpoint. There's also another spot to pull over just a little bit further. You can't see the waterfall from there, but it's a really nice view of the valley.

Just don't look too closely at the water. It's nasty. At one point the road passes fairly close to the river and you'll want to have the windows rolled up. It's basically an open sewer.

Back in Bogota we went to Parque Mundo Aventura, a fairly small amusement park. The cost per person, for the unlimited day pass, is 59,900 COP, which includes lunch (no more than a 15 k value). Although we had a good time, it's not worth the price. There are a couple of halfway decent rides, but nothing you'll regret missing.

I did leave Bogota with a better impression. I might consider spending a few days there next time strictly for mongering.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure why you went to that waterfall. Every Youtube video and Google search tells you that waterfall is actually a waterfall of runoff and sewage from the city.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2578781]I have been with ISG so long I don't remember when I started. After many years traveling to Europe I began traveling to SA. My first stop was Buenos Aires. Beautiful city and 12-14 years ago this was the hot spot in SA. This is a guess but I would say in 7-8 years I visited BA at least 30 times. I thought about moving there but no ocean was a draw back so I checked out Rio. Wow this was BA with an ocean. A few years later I checked BA out again and the ISG site was dead. It went from the most active ISG site to dead. I made a post asking what happened. From several senior members I got the same answer. Members would make a post and here would come the replies telling them how their post was stupid or how could their opinions be so ridiculous. They said this happened so frequently it was as though some members were just waiting for a post so they could reply with something nasty. Participation fell off and now it is what it is.

All the ISG sites in Colombia are great. Many members love to read it daily. I do. I don't travel as often as I once did but reading all the Colombia sites is a good way to keep me up on what's going on. If a member wants to post something critical or nasty about someone's post I would suggest you post it on one of the Bangladesh sites, they love that trash talk.

Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]I enjoy reading the threads as well and am usually a silent reader. Usually not posting much. However.

I know Colombia very well and I had to jump on misinformation which in my opinion ruins the forums, not than almost every confirmed that what has been said is misinformation.

I think the Argentinian thread stopped to attract people because of the cleaning by authorities of brothels' and clubs making the hobby less easy.

Just arrived in Bogota on Thursday. I went Flirt that night. The provider spoke excellent English and said she was recruited to an American escort service and will work in the States starting August. On Friday I went to Lido. The club sucks monkey balls (stark white walls) but there was a Paisa who caught my attention. I was surprised she moved to Bogota for sex work, but she said this is where the money is. That girls like her (I. E Paisa, fake boobs) can charge 600+. Haven't visited Santa Fe area yet. If someone wants to join me tonight or Tuesday, let me know.

Hello, mi planing visit Colombia for first time in my life, beguining August, as I never was there mi a bit concerned about dangerous there, I have been to Brazil, I guess is similiar in terms of danger, but I would be happy, if you can give me some nice info about Bogota.

1 – what side in the city is good for a foreign tourist, just looking safety and shops restaurants around, not looking for street hookers, don't like this.

2 – is really as dangerous the city in terms of robbing with weapons, kidnappings and using of burundanga and other drugs?

Thanks to everyone who can advice me.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2578673]Thursday morning I headed to the airport (as always, too early) to catch my flight back to Atlanta. I just needed to show my passport and flight information to get into the airport. However, the person prechecking passengers before they approached the counter questioned me pretty extensively. Where did I stay? What places did I visit? What did I do at Guatape? What were some of the sights on the boat tour? What do I do for a living? What specific area do I work in?

After questioning I was able to approach the counter. There I had to show my certificate of recovery from Covid and my prior positive test results. Nobody at any point asked about the Check Migracin form, which I had filled out..[/QUOTE]I don't understand that, if you are leaving the country, what the fuck cares this person what you did and what you visited?

So I booked my room for 2 adults. I had one prepago visit on Friday. The receptionist said that since I've had one guest already no more can visit my room. I asked about the guest fee. He said I reached my limit. I tried to pay the fee early before the ladies arrived. Is he bullshitting me? Please respond quickly. I have two chicas coming at 7:30 pm.

[QUOTE=WerkTreue;2579141]So I booked my room for 2 adults. I had one prepago visit on Friday. The receptionist said that since I've had one guest already no more can visit my room. I asked about the guest fee. He said I reached my limit. I tried to pay the fee early before the ladies arrived. Is he bullshitting me? Please respond quickly. I have two chicas coming at 7:30 pm.[/QUOTE]Welcome to Colombia! No more of that bullshit for me. Last week I found a great apartment in Zona Rosa. Inside is brand new. No doorman. $37/day. This has been a long time coming.

[QUOTE=WerkTreue;2579141]So I booked my room for 2 adults. I had one prepago visit on Friday. The receptionist said that since I've had one guest already no more can visit my room. I asked about the guest fee. He said I reached my limit. I tried to pay the fee early before the ladies arrived. Is he bullshitting me? Please respond quickly. I have two chicas coming at 7:30 pm.[/QUOTE]Lots of prepagos haters limit you to one guest on the registration and only that guest can be admitted, tats how they limit you from bringing a bunch of different women. Make a left of of the Click Clack go 2 blocks north to Lloyds Apartasuites. $50 us a night and never a question of who visits you. I stay here exclusively for the last 8 years, PM me if you need more info.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2578979]I'm not sure why you went to that waterfall. Every Youtube video and Google search tells you that waterfall is actually a waterfall of runoff and sewage from the city.

Showdown.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure why anyone watches YouTube videos about Bogota or Colombia. Fortunately, nobody is required to explain why they do things to me.

However, I'll clear it up for you. I didn't go to swim in the water, or to drink it. I went because it's quite a scenic area and it was on my list of places I wanted to photograph. I also had 2 girls with me, both of whom really enjoyed the trip.

For future reference, could you send me a list of things I'm allowed to do and places I'm allowed to visit? That way I don't have to request your approval every day.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2579034]...I know Colombia very well and I had to jump on misinformation which in my opinion ruins the forums, not than almost every confirmed that what has been said is misinformation....[/QUOTE]Are you sure about this?

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2577887]... the standard service is by default CBJ in [b]Colombia[/b] full stop. No need to argue, discuss or mention the number of stamps on your passport to justify yourself,...[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Ringudor;2579112]Hello, mi planing visit Colombia for first time in my life, beguining August, as I never was there mi a bit concerned about dangerous there, I have been to Brazil, I guess is similiar in terms of danger, but I would be happy, if you can give me some nice info about Bogota.

1 what side in the city is good for a foreign tourist, just looking safety and shops restaurants around, not looking for street hookers, don't like this.[/QUOTE]Ringudor, go to the forum where you have links to distinction and read Routard's excellent report on Bogota. In general, the nicest part is Chapinero / Parque 93 region. The highest end part of Bogota where my chicas and I always wind up at is the Andino shopping mall region.

[QUOTE=Ringudor;2579112]2 is really as dangerous the city in terms of robbing with weapons, kidnappings and using of burundanga and other drugs?[/QUOTE]If I go by the people who live there, they walk around pretty freely in the safer regions. I have talked to people who lived there and had their beers drugged with scopalamine and who have their phones stolen by guys on motorcycles. I have seen guys freely snort cocaine or smoke pot in clubs (I kind of like that. It means freedom to me) but I think that misses the point. For the most part, I have found Colombians to be very nice and friendly. In short, I think the danger factor is exaggerated. There is crime but I am not sure it is that much worse than some American cities.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2579175]Lots of prepagos haters limit you to one guest on the regestration and only that guest can be admitted, tats how they limit you from bringing a bunch of different women. Make a left of of the Click Clack go 2 blocks north to Lloyds Apartasuites. $50 us a night and never a question of who visits you. I stay here exclusively for the last 8 years, PM me if you need more info.[/QUOTE]So the two girls were denied entry last night. We went to a by-the-hour place nearby. I have another girl coming today. I told her to meet me in the downstair's restaurant and we can take the elevator from there bypassing the receptionist. Thanks for the suggestion. If I'm denied again, I'll look into the apartment suite.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2579202]
For future reference, could you send me a list of things I'm allowed to do and places I'm allowed to visit? That way I don't have to request your approval every day.[/QUOTE]Lmao 🤪🤣 Had me cracking up!

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2579175]Lots of prepagos haters limit you to one guest on the registration and only that guest can be admitted, tats how they limit you from bringing a bunch of different women. Make a left of of the Click Clack go 2 blocks north to Lloyds Apartasuites. $50 us a night and never a question of who visits you. I stay here exclusively for the last 8 years, PM me if you need more info.[/QUOTE]FYI. This is the message I received when I booked the hotel.

I booked an AirBnB in this building when I visited and they seemed to have no problem with bringing girls over. I didn't bring any into my apartment but my neighbor brought a number of girls over. The building has some incredible views. Security doesn't seem to really care about who comes in because you need a card key to get into the reception and to get into the elevator. As long as you escort her in, I don't think they will have a problem. A lot of gay tourists were also bringing guys they met to their apartments too without much problem.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2579202]I'm not sure why anyone watches YouTube videos about Bogota or Colombia. Fortunately, nobody is required to explain why they do things to me.

However, I'll clear it up for you. I didn't go to swim in the water, or to drink it. I went because it's quite a scenic area and it was on my list of places I wanted to photograph. I also had 2 girls with me, both of whom really enjoyed the trip.

For future reference, could you send me a list of things I'm allowed to do and places I'm allowed to visit? That way I don't have to request your approval every day.[/QUOTE]No need to be negative or speak that way. I was making a light hearted matter of fact statement.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2579512]No need to be negative or speak that way. I was making a light hearted matter of fact statement.

Showdown.[/QUOTE]Pardon me. As you may be aware I just recently recovered from Covid. Besides all the other symptoms, I briefly lost my sense of smell and my sarcasm glands were all plugged up. I'm much better now.

No offense taken, but you do need to work on your light hearted responses. When you say "I don't understand why you did that", about something someone has already done, it comes screen as a challenge.

A light hearted response might have been something like "I heard it was a shitty place."

Now if someone posts that they met a Colombian in Dubai and she agreed to spend 2 weeks with him in Colombia for $500 per day and round trip airfare from Dubai, that's the time to question why they would do that. The girl in Dubai has 30 cousins who will happily fuck for $40-$50. Besides, it's probably cheaper to fuck her in Dubai.

I wanted to check out Montserrat so one day I look out my hotel window and it looked like a nice day for it, I jump into a taxi, and he doesn't speak a word of English of course.

There are protests everywhere so what should be a short ride turns into a 30 minute detour, no problem, we have a set price.

We pull up and he's pointing to some stairs? I'm like WTF I read about people using the taxi for this visit, I just assumed the taxi drove to the top.

Nope he's pointing to the stairs and wouldn't you know it starts raining, well at least I brought my umbrella.

So I start heading up, I'm a stubborn monger, so I'm like no problem, about 30 mins in, I ask some 20 something chico and 4 chicas coming down the stairs how much further, and good news they speak English.

Bad news, hes a preacher (I'm guessing banging all 4 of the chicas).

They tell me its quite a ways ahead, but God will help me make it. They ask if they can pray for me, and pray for over 30 minutes non stop.

I wanted to tell them I'm a life long atheist, but I was concerned that would delay me even further, we exchanged whatsapp, but.

I couldn't wait to get away from them, I have no use for these types of people.

Pro tip (aka learn from my fuckups) #! (so if you don't want to be delayed be careful who you speak to).

Its a long climb very steep, not really any handrails to prevent falling, and crazy ass doods running top speed up and down in the rain, they must have special grip shoes.

Warning! Its pretty slippery.

Finally I get near the top and I see some cables for the tram I didn't know they had WTF?

Then suddenly I slip and fell on my ass, not so bad but it could get dangerous.

They have small gutters running down each side of the path for rain and green algae grows on the walking surface if you get too close, it could be a visit to the ER.

In any case as soon as I get to the top and it starts pouring like mad, so I decided fuck this and took the trolley down.

In another event I asked Mr E about taking the bus to MDE from BOG a few months back, he said don't do it, so I said fuck it, I'll fly.

I wanted to see the landscape, but no problem.

Well with some very very last minute change in plans, I found myself checking out of my hotel and taking an Uber to the bus station.

I took an 8 pm bus, it had the aircon cranked and was really really freezing and I like it cool, by the time we started descending the mountains it warmed up outside and fogged the black tinted windows completely.

It was a hellish 10 HR ride, we didn't get off the bus 1 x, they just keep driving winding and turning and braking, like being on a 10 HR gyroscope from hell.

I've never had motion sickness in almost 54 yrs of age, but I wanted to vomit the whole time, going to the toilet in the complete dark was, risking your life.

I tried to wipe the steam off the windows and see outside, it was dark but once or twice I could tell the bus was passing a truck in the dark on a curvy road.

2 lane road with trucks in oncoming traffic, it seemed very very unsafe, they closed the door at the front of the bus when we left BOG and kept it closed until MDE.

I just remember people blasting music all night blasting youtube crap etc people yapping on fones, it was fucking horrible.

Pro tip #2 (learn from my fuck ups) don't take the bus to MDE from BOG.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2580100]I wanted to check out Montserrat so one day I look out my hotel window and it looked like a nice day for it, I jump into a taxi, and he doesn't speak a word of English of course.

There are protests everywhere so what should be a short ride turns into a 30 minute detour, no problem, we have a set price.

We pull up and he's pointing to some stairs? I'm like WTF I read about people using the taxi for this visit, I just assumed the taxi drove to the top.

Nope he's pointing to the stairs and wouldn't you know it starts raining, well at least I brought my umbrella.

So I start heading up, I'm a stubborn monger, so I'm like no problem, about 30 mins in, I ask some 20 something chico and 4 chicas coming down the stairs how much further, and good news they speak English.

Bad news, hes a preacher (I'm guessing banging all 4 of the chicas).

They tell me its quite a ways ahead, but God will help me make it. They ask if they can pray for me, and pray for over 30 minutes non stop.

I wanted to tell them I'm a life long atheist, but I was concerned that would delay me even further, we exchanged whatsapp, but...[/QUOTE]I shouldn't laugh, but this is some funny stuff.

The trail to the top of Monserrat is considered a pilgrimage. It's for the devout to prove their faith and purify themselves. For the godless heathens there's the funicular or the team, although the tram wasn't running when I visited. I think it cost 12 k, but that was 6 years ago.

Having just driven Bogota to Medellin and back I can sympathize with anyone who takes the bus. Yes the road is steep and winding and there's a lot of passing on blind corners.

I mostly enjoyed the drive, but I'd hate to take the trip as a passenger.

What are some nice places with good looking women that serves beers? Not looking for Gringo taxation on the drinks or the women.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2576395]Hello friends,

I am new to this forum thread but have been posting in the Rio thread for a while as I have spent the last seven weeks there and just arrived in Bogota a few days ago. Anyone making the trip directly to Colombia to Brazil should be aware that you need proof of a current yellow fever vaccination. Since I did not have this, I had to get vaccinated in Rio, and then go to Anvisa in the GIG airport to receive the official document required by airlines.

I had visited Bogota immediately before the pandemic started, albeit briefly, so was curious to see how things have changed. The first night after I get some sleep, I started in Chapinero, where I checked out Las Divas, Pussy House, and Club Fortynine. Pussy House and Las Divas have really gone down hill- at this point its just basically a bunch of local dudes watching soccer games with a few tired working girls lounging around. The girls were average and below average- and at Pussy House especially, the vibe was really strange with obnoxious music, aggressive crew, and was just overall uncomfortable. Beers were 10 mil I believe. I had remembered a club that was more enticing and seductive. Over at Club Fortynine things seemed to be in partial disrepair and the club was generally shabby compared to the photos on the internet. However, the ratio was much better with perhaps 10-12 SW lounging around. I grabbed an overpriced beer (20 mil) and approached the most attractive girl, a little 20 year old spinner w braces and big tits-there who quoted me 150 mil, but said that BBBJ was not allowed- not even if I met her outside of the club..[/QUOTE]Every woman I have met in Bogota has allowed BBBJ except those on the streets in SF. And if I'm not mistaken, every woman I've met here would have also allowed BBFS not even for anything extra. I guess its all on their perception of you. I did go to Zona T once on was taken to I believe it was Blue room which does look kind of nice and was full of women. All of them were hawk eying me. But after seeing the drink prices, I decided to grab one as a courtesy and get the fuck out of there. I don't mind many chicks but I can imagine how hungry everyone is with so many bodies, and you're probably the only or of the few men who has come in all day. This was a Friday or Saturday night and although some looked to me as genuine interest I just seen big dollar. No GBP signs everywhere I looked so figured it was best to just go after a short time.

I still have yet to go to mezzanine and would like to take the trip one day soon.

You did not say anything about sex, so The North has nice beer places.

But, you can find sex in the area also.

So try this area. Zona Rosa (Zona T) El Retiro.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1Y7d556oDwhh_X83ZCec7ItKPaXQ&ll=4.701386779567766%2C-74.04620404999997&z=13[/URL]

[QUOTE=TravelingDom;2580697]What are some nice places with good looking women that serves beers?
Not looking for Gringo taxation on the drinks or the women.[/QUOTE]

Curfew.

I heard that all of Colombia will have Curfew starting tonight.

The latest this morning from Jesus: "Hello, good morning, today.

Monday everything is normal, there are many police in the streets.

Many cities on alert, tomorrow there will be marches and protests.

There is a curfew and alcohol consumption is prohibited. ".

Contact Jesus, he will let you know what's going on, our man in the streets.

He is in Cali, WhatsApp: 57-323-586-6627.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2582016]Curfew.

I heard that all of Colombia will have Curfew starting tonight.

The latest this morning from Jesus: "Hello, good morning, today.

Monday everything is normal, there are many police in the streets.

Many cities on alert, tomorrow there will be marches and protests.

There is a curfew and alcohol consumption is prohibited. ".

Contact Jesus, he will let you know what's going on, our man in the streets.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you and Jesus are a very reliable source of information however, screening the official usual website of government and various media, I have not find any echo to a curfew starting soon or even today. My contacts living in Bogota are not aware of such situation. Would you have a formal source of information to which people can refer and deep dive?

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2582016]I heard that all of Colombia will have Curfew starting tonight..[/QUOTE]I think the curfew and alcohol prohibition are just for el Valle del Cauca (the department whose capital is Cali) and Popayan rather than all of Colombia. See [URL]https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2021/07/19/paro-nacional-colombia-medidas-ley-seca-toque-queda-orix/[/URL].

I have sweet chica that has a bday soon and I wanted to do something, but she lacks a govt ID most decent hotels will accept.

I was thinking of just renting a hotel room with a pool for a few days (4-5) for us? Either indoor or outdoor? And I suggested inviting a few friends and family over for a small gathering at the pool.

Is this possible in Bog?

I'm guessing its possible in CTG or MDE, but I looked on [URL]booking.com[/URL] for BOG and don't see sheet.

BTW I'm not looking for any crazy expensive resorts.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2582090]I'm sure you and Jesus are a very reliable source of information however, screening the official usual website of government and various media, I have not find any echo to a curfew starting soon or even today. My contacts living in Bogota are not aware of such situation. Would you have a formal source of information to which people can refer and deep dive?[/QUOTE]There is no curfew whatsoever here at this time.

Jesus Reports:

Bogot is on high alert, I mean the police and the army.

The authorities are in the congress including the "most excellent" president as

Helicopters fly over the main cities.

The Congress is the place of the transmission of an annual summary of what was done by this "magnificent" government.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2582252]There is no curfew whatsoever here at this time.[/QUOTE]The curfew I read about was for like tanker trucks and shit. It is in the article that Trim posted.

En el departamento de Cundinamarca se expidió un decreto que regirá desde el 19 de julio a las 6 am hasta el 21 de julio de 2021.

Restricción de movilidad a vehículos que distribuyen gas propano.
Restricción de movilidad a vehículos que movilizan escombros y materiales de construcción.
Restricción de motocicletas con "parrilleros" (o acompañante)
Ley seca en establecimientos abiertos y en espacios públicos.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2582535]The curfew I read about was for like tanker trucks and shit. It is in the article that Trim posted.[/QUOTE]There is a mobility restriction (restriction de movilidad) for certain kinds of vehicles in Cundinamarca, but if you read a bit further in the article, you'll see that there are also curfews (toques de queda) in Popayan and el Valle del Cauca. The mobility restriction for vehicles and the curfews are scheduled to end tomorrow, July 21, according to the article.

[QUOTE=Guerinto;2577754]Hi guys.

Like the title says, have any of you Canadians gents traveled from Toronto Pearson Intl via Air Canada direct to Bogota? I see Colombia has no restrictions for entry other than filling out the CheckMig form and installing the CoronApp. Returning to Canada, it looks like I need a PCR test taken less than 72 hours before my departure and to use the ArriveCan app to upload my information. I've got both my vaccinations and shot #2 will be in me almost 1 month before I leave, so I am fully mRNA vaccinated. I've got my paper receipts and also backed up digitally in various places, including my phone. Already installed the CoronApp for Colombia and the ArriveCan app for my return to Canada. I've not had Covid to my knowledge and I have never been tested.

My big question is are there any requirements to get on the Air Canada plane in Toronto? I'm a frequent traveler normally, but this is my 1st Covid trip, so I am nervous about what I don't know. I don't want some obscure thing screwing up my trip. My online research has produced mixed results, but nothing specific to Colombia.

I appreciate anyone sharing their experience so far. I plan on sitting on hold tomorrow while I wait to talk to Air Canada and get the rule (s) from them. Their website and chat bots were not helpful. I did search for "Canada" in the Bogota forum and the most recent post was February. A lot has changed since then.[/QUOTE]If you go to Bogota from Toronto, please make a post on your return. Thanks.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2582435]Jesus Reports:

Bogot is on high alert, I mean the police and the army.

The authorities are in the congress including the "most excellent" president as

Helicopters fly over the main cities.

The Congress is the place of the transmission of an annual summary of what was done by this "magnificent" government.[/QUOTE]I just left santa fe for a quick 2 day work trip and it's completely normal there. Jesus is probably watching govt news and getting scared, like a lot of colombians do when the marches happen, they stay inside. Bogota is completely fine, just a bunch of leftists and college kids marching down carr 9 and la 7 every once in a while. Jesus is cool but he almost made me cancel my Cali trip with his updates, I ended up going and had the time of my life, even during the first paro, i posted a report in that thread

Every body has a diff risk tolerance I suppose, but for mongers it's totally live and normal. nobody follows the curfew or really gives a shit about the happenings in centro, life goes on

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2583813]I just left santa fe for a quick 2 day work trip and it's completely normal there. Jesus is probably watching govt news and getting scared, like a lot of colombians do when the marches happen, they stay inside. Bogota is completely fine, just a bunch of leftists and college kids marching down carr 9 and la 7 every once in a while. Jesus is cool but he almost made me cancel my Cali trip with his updates, I ended up going and had the time of my life, even during the first paro, i posted a report in that thread

Every body has a diff risk tolerance I suppose, but for mongers it's totally live and normal. nobody follows the curfew or really gives a shit about the happenings in centro, life goes on[/QUOTE]Civil UnRest Dang-er Danger-- LOL, who knew? I have not noticed a thing.

On another note, I showed guys around SF Monday and Friday last week. Good Times-- I have to write more later. Went last night Off the Hook.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2583490]If you go to Bogota from Toronto, please make a post on your return. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Getting out of Toronto is relatively easy. You would only have to supply whatever information Colombia requires.

Getting back in is a nightmare. The arrivecan app gets used once. Someone checks it is valid. But you fill out information about 5 times. Immigration, screening, Covid testing, etc. Etc. Don't know why they can't use the same information at each step. Say from the ArriveCan app. But they don't. May help if you also download the Corona testing app. Don't know what it is called, but filling it out as you stand in line really sucks.

And then, as a fully vaccinated person coming back you would think they might let you know what you need to do or don't need to do. But after an hour of filling out forms, being interviewed, setting up apps, getting tested. You walk out in a daze without a real clue what you can or cannot do. And the only good thing is that they don't usher you to a quarantine hotel. I had to research what was expected after I got home. Basically they treat everyone as if they are subject to full quarantine, and let you figure it out if you aren't.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2582232]I have sweet chica that has a bday soon and I wanted to do something, but she lacks a govt ID most decent hotels will accept.

I was thinking of just renting a hotel room with a pool for a few days (4-5) for us? Either indoor or outdoor? And I suggested inviting a few friends and family over for a small gathering at the pool.

Is this possible in Bog?

I'm guessing its possible in CTG or MDE, but I looked on [URL]booking.com[/URL] for BOG and don't see sheet.

BTW I'm not looking for any crazy expensive resorts.[/QUOTE]If you're both in Bogota, perhaps Melgar or Girardot? It's been ages, but did something similar with an ex-GF and friends years ago. Think it was about a 2 hour bus ride from BOG. We just rented a house that we had to ourselves that had a pool. No reception or anything like that. If I'm not mistaken, Melgar is called the swimming pool capital of Colombia they're so common.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2583490]If you go to Bogota from Toronto, please make a post on your return. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'll report on my experience. I researched what I need to do, but I fully expect incompetence. Based on Zeos1's post, it seems like a shitshow. Hopefully then will be more organized when I travel in August.

Alright boys here we go. I arrived in Bogo on June 25 took a 2 am flight out of NY got there 7 am. MY airbnb host was super chill let me in at that hour. Really great place right on 32 and Caracass. Walking distance to SF if you feel ok doing that. I had already lined up some chicas via photosprepagos, Tinder and SA so I had a list. I was very successful with Tinder on this trip. I had one who was at the the top, a Venezuelan Q T who I just wanted to be with when I saw her pics on photos. She was working out of Hotel Laureles in Restrepo. I had messaged her several times but she paid me little mind so I was surprised how affectionate and adoring she was when we met. I was actually caught off guard. I'm not usually too comfortable in these short time hotels but this place was ok. We had an amazing session. She immediately dropped my draws and took me in her mouth raw and deep. It was dope. Total GFE and she kept hugging me saying how cute I was and how much she liked me. We had a great session. I took her doggie, cowgirl, mish. Sorry not great with these details. Anyway, my strategy is don't blow. Don't spooj. Don't drop the seed on the first session. I'm 47 and this ain't the same as when I was 25 when I could spooj 4 x a day. So I didn't. There is always the monger's dilemma: do I invest more time with a chica like this who shows you a great time or do you monger? Well I made her an offer to hang with me and be my girl for this trip. I would have been content with that, but these chics want their cake and eat it too. Can't blame them. We couldn't come to a deal so we settled on meeting the next day for 3 hours 300 k. That night I met an SA girl I had met months ago. She had a really cute face but was a bit overweight. She came to my apt and we talked for a while. I'm sure I could have hit it, but I don't know I just wasn't feeling it. She was cute and looking back maybe I should have. I sent her home in a taxi and hit Santa Fe and walked all around to all the different clubs. Seemed quite dead for a Friday night. And it was cold too. I know from some of your posts you guys are like me. You like to talk to the girls and feel their vibe. ID rather find someone who is sweet and affectionate. They are out there. So after a few hours of bouncing around the clubs and streets I wasn't feeling anyone and I had had eaten well earlier so I wasn't terribly disappointed with the dead scene. I was about to leave when I found this really cute young and dare I say innocent looking Venezuelan Q T. I couldn't resist. She was so young and innocent looking. I session with her for 30 mil and really made little attempt to bang her. I can never get comfortable in SF short times or the upstairs of clubs. I just wanted to get a better feel for her vibe. She was sweet and a bit timid. We touched and caressed each other and bc it was late and I felt she had a sweet vibe I told her to come back to my place for an hour. She agreed for 130 mil. Ok a bit high but it was late and I figured what the hell. We went back to my place and we had a really nice session. I brought a heater down with me and she loved it. My little partner wasn't very cooperative bc she was a bit timid but we whatever she was affectionate and we hugged and kissed for an hour. It was sweet and I'm alright with that. She got a text to meet her sister for another gig and she bounced. I took her whatsapp but never saw her again. Alright. Back to the first Venezuelan girl. We did meet the next day. And it was well worth it. She walked into my airbnb gave me a deep DFK and immediately pulled down my shorts and took me in her mouth raw. Unbelievable. Anyway, we had an amazing three hours. I couldn't believe how affectionate this chic was with me. Sorry to disappoint, I'm not going to go into the details but let's just say full GFE. She would BBBJ a little, We would bang a little, rest a little, hug a little, kiss a little, bang a little repeat. As I said, I don't release, so I am able to go for a while. If I were to drop my load, ID be done for. Out of business. Eventually I did of course after the three hours of amazing action. And actually I feel that it was a mistake. My experience with Ayurveda and other eastern systems of medicine is that your immunity is tied to your ojas aka your seed retention. In addition to keeping me strong for my next session, it might have kept me strong against the Rona. But I digress. Next session was that night with a Tinder girl. She was asking 200 k for three hours. Well I thought it was kind of high but something told me go for it. And I wasn't disappointed. She was a 23 your old QT. Hot, tight body. Really sweet and charming. We actually had quite a stimulating convo before moving into the bedroom. She was quite adept at BBBJ and stimulating the gonads. Again I didn't want to spooj but this little girl had skills. I couldn't resist. I asked her if I could bust in her mouth and she agreed. Nothing better than that. So I let it go. Phenomenal. Next day I woke up a bit inflamed in my joints and wanted to get a good massage. I bring down high quality massage oils and wanted to get a rub down. I mentioned that I was looking for a good massage to this Venezuelan girl I was chatting with on Tinder and she said she does massage. I actually wasn't looking for sex, I was looking for a massage and I made that clear. She came over and gave me a great massage. She was very good. But I did hear her coughing and she seemed to be coming over a cold, so I suspect she got me sick, but honestly who knows. I do know its really contagious and can get you fast within less than a day. But I didn't really pay it much mind. She was cool and I invited her to lunch. After lunch we walked around La Candelaria which seems to be pretty happening on Sundays. We had a few drinks and a nice afternoon. We agreed for her to come back and spend the night for 100 k. So we went back to her place and got all her things. She rented a room from strangers, so I think she was glad to hang with me in my place. She brought a joint back with her and we took a walk and smoked it. Big mistake. I should have known better. We actually didn't have sex that night. We both got pretty stoned and passed out when we hit the bed. When I woke up, I knew I was in trouble. I had that feeling in my chest I've felt a thousand times when I start to get sick. And not the first time it happens after I smoke week. I get a pretty bad flu or upper respiratory at least once a year, more so when I smoked more often, which I rarely do these days. And I know how it starts. Its not the first time I felt that. Its not uncommon for me I had brought down a pound of vitamin see, elderberry, zinc and Vit d. I have been successful with this warding it off but not this time. I didn't think it would be Rona.

So. I started getting sick. As I stated in my last post, I get this same upper respiratory thing all the time, so I didn't suspect the Rona at first. I spent Monday pretty normal. I was actually looking at a house I was interested in buying from my cousins, but I had that familiar tightness in my chest all day. I took down a pound of vitamin C, Vitamin D, Elderberry extract and I can usually ward off this illness with these. I still had the Venezuelan girl from Tinder who gave the great massage waiting for me after I finished my house hunting. Same deal 100 k a day. Pretty sweet deal. But by Monday night I was starting to feel really tired. Now granted I was feeling a little something coming on but I also had not slept in days. I took the red eye, I landed and never really rested, so I figured I was just tired. I wasnt in a position for any action with this hottie by my side, so we just cuddled and I passed out. Tuesday I slept all day. She cleaned and sanitized the apartment got us some food. Actually even though I had zero energy, I appreciated her company as I was in bed all day. We just hung out at the apartment. At this point still didn't even really think about covid, but I knew I was not feeling well. Wednesday was pretty much the same just laid around the house with her. By Thursday I thought I was feeling a little better and I had just finished chatting with another ISG buddy about how this chick was staying with me for 100 k a day and how cool it was even though I didn't have the energy to bang her and as I end the chat she tells me she wants more money. She's turning down other opportunities. Since I had a date with another Tinder hottie, I said NEXT and let her walk. That night this beautiful Venezuelan from Tinder comes by my place to meet me. She wasn't a pro. She wasn't comfortable with coming up to my apartment and I told her no worries the original plan was to have a coffee and chat and there is a coffee shop on the corner of my building, so we did. We had a nice conversation and by the time the shop was closing she was ok with coming up to my place. We chatted for a while and she gave me a sensual kiss as she left. We made plans to meet on Friday. Again at this point, I didn't suspect the Rona. But by Friday, I really wasn't well. I bought a thermometer and I had a fever and I had to cancel with her. I knew at this point I was going downhill fast and started suspecting The Rona. I rested Friday and I had my Covid test on Saturday to get back into the states. I figured at that point I would eliminate the doubt. Went for the test and came back positive. Damn. Not good. And I felt like crap on top. 15 more days in Colombia. Luckily Avianca let me change my flight no issues no extra cost and the airbnb where I was staying was available. The most concerning point about the Rona is the feeling of being winded. The only thing I can compare it to is when you're a bit out of shape and climb up a few flights of stairs. You're not quite gasping for air but you feel a lack of oxygen. But I felt that way walking to the kitchen! And taking a dump! Not normal of course. There was a brief moment, literally 15 minutes where I started to panic. I am feeling oxygen deprivation alone in an apartment in a foreign country. Luckily for me I'm Colombian at least and I had my cousin in contact with me looking out for me. She came by and dropped off fruits, herbs and left her contact info with the front desk in case anything happened to me. I can't remember a time feeling that vulnerable. I can definitely see how This breathing issue can become a serious issue for some people. Add to that a panic attack and it can really be devastating. So I chilled myself out and just focused on resting. I am not a doctor and this isn't medical advice. I was doing 16,000 MG of Vitamin C daily along with Vitamin D Zinc and elderberry extract. I was down the whole next week after my test. Just resting and sleeping. This made the quarantine time pass quickly. I viewed going to the hospital as a nuclear option and never felt even close to getting to that point. I figured ID get an oxygen cylinder before I went to the hospital if the breathing issue got that bad. But it didn't. 10 days after my test I felt better. My symptoms were gone. You don't have to get a negative test to travel. You need to keep your positive test wait 15 days and get a note from a doctor. I found a doctor who does telemedicineconference online. At that point all symptoms had subsided and I was feeling normal again. It cost me 80,000 pesos for the consultation and travel certificate. I had to send my trusted taxi buddy to Davidienda to deposit the money, but you might be able to do it online. Here's his link. Not sure if he speaks English.

[URL]https://telemedicinadoctorflorian.com.co/[/URL]

Anyway, he told me that I was good to go. I no longer needed to be in quarantine because my first symptoms were over two weeks prior and I had done 10 days in quarantine( it was actually more than that). So the Rona part of the trip ended.

PS: the Venezuelan hottie that spent the first days with me never got sick.

[QUOTE=GMoney582;2585030]10 days after my test I felt better. My symptoms were gone. You don't have to get a negative test to travel. You need to keep your positive test wait 15 days and get a note from a doctor. I found a doctor who does telemedicineconference online. At that point all symptoms had subsided and I was feeling normal again. It cost me 80,000 pesos for the consultation and travel certificate. I had to send my trusted taxi buddy to Davidienda to deposit the money, but you might be able to do it online. Here's his link. Not sure if he speaks English.

[URL]https://telemedicinadoctorflorian.com.co/[/URL]

Anyway, he told me that I was good to go. I no longer needed to be in quarantine because my first symptoms were over two weeks prior and I had done 10 days in quarantine( it was actually more than that). So the Rona part of the trip ended.

PS: the Venezuelan hottie that spent the first days with me never got sick.[/QUOTE]And glad you beat that thing.

[QUOTE=GMoney582;2585030]...Went for the test and came back positive. Damn. Not good. And I felt like crap on top...[/QUOTE]Did you feel anything for all the people you infected?

[QUOTE=GMoney582;2585030]So. I started getting sick.... I am not a doctor and this isn't medical advice. I was doing 16,000 MG of Vitamin C daily ...[/QUOTE]16,000 MG = 16 grams. Do you ever have heartburn? Diarrhea? Stomach pain? Flatulence? Dude, you're taking too much.

"...I am not a doctor..." SMH (in disbelief).

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2585097]16,000 MG = 16 grams. Do you ever have heartburn? Diarrhea? Stomach pain? Flatulence? Dude, you're taking too much.

"...I am not a doctor..." SMH (in disbelief).[/QUOTE]I believe that Linus Pauling recommended 18 grams a day and I actually fell a bit short of that. They have found with cancer patients using high doses of Vitamin see as a therapy up to 100 g a day can be tolerated with no ill effect. I was using a pharmaceutical grade and had no ill effect. The general recommendation is to take until bowel intolerance ie it makes you go to the bathroom, but I had the Rona so the runs is part of that. I experienced no ill effects at all. I have an exgirlfriend who suffers from heartburn and I give her high dose (not that high) and it doesn't aggravate her heartburn. But of course everyone should consult his her physician and I would be careful if you have some type of high acid or high pitta as they say in Ayurveda condition. I obviously can't say how it helped me but I recovered pretty quickly, never developed a serious cough, despite a history of always getting bad coughs and my smell and taste returning within days, which most people I know who had it had to wait months even up to a year. Here is the science if you are interested:

[URL]https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/vitamins/vitamin-C[/URL]#common-cold-treatment.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2585094]Did you feel anything for all the people you infected?[/QUOTE]Perhaps you didn't read the post and its hard to understand your comment. After developing symptoms, I did not come into contact with many people. The only one who was with me was the girl who I believe gave it to me who never developed any symptoms and the Tinder girl who also never developed any symptoms. In fact she came back after I was cleared and spent several nights with me and never got sick. I pretty much quarantined after the fatigue hit me and that is pretty clear in my post. So no I didn't feel guilty and had no reason to. In my time down there, I met many people, especially working girls, who were clearly sick but who didnt believe they had the Rona. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. This idea that we are guilty of murder because someone caught a cold from us is a dark road to go down, much worse than any illness.

[QUOTE=GMoney582;2585233]I believe that Linus Pauling recommended 18 grams a day and I actually fell a bit short of that...Here is the science if you are interested:

[URL]https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/vitamins/vitamin-C[/URL]#common-cold-treatment.[/QUOTE]Linus Pauling -- I'd forgot about him. He as great, great scientist. Simply fucking brilliant. However, he is something of a cautionary tale to other scientists, it being 'don't make the mistake of believing everything you think'. As I understand it, the current evidence based, medical consensus is that Vitamin see it does shorten the duration of a cold, at least in children, but has no effect on a cold duration if it is taken after the cold symptoms occur. Pauling was enthusiastic about Vitamin see as a cancer treatment as well and, I believe, suggested that up to 18 g could be taken without toxicity; however, I don't think he ever recommended dosages that high. Anyway, the effect on cold duration seems small and the effect on cancer seems nil. He did have the insight that vitamins might have important biochemical effects unrelated to their prevention of associated deficiency diseases, which could be true; although that has not yet been shown to be so. Vitamin see is critical to our immune systems, formation of collagen, absorbtion of iron, etc; however, the amount that can be used is unknown. I was reacting to the fact that you were taking a potentially toxic amount based on little or no evidence.

Speaking of statistical evidence, clearly, you had not previously been vaccinated against Covid 19 -- was this by choice? I am fascinated by the reasoning of people who willingly will consume handfuls of vitamins with no evidence that it benefits them (or even a coherent theory about how they may work), while rejecting a mind blowingly effective vaccine.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2585315]Linus Pauling -- I'd forgot about him. He as great, great scientist. Simply fucking brilliant. However, he is something of a cautionary tale to other scientists, it being 'don't make the mistake of believing everything you think'. As I understand it, the current evidence based, medical consensus is that Vitamin see it does shorten the duration of a cold, at least in children, but has no effect on a cold duration if it is taken after the cold symptoms occur. Pauling was enthusiastic about Vitamin see as a cancer treatment as well and, I believe, suggested that up to 18 g could be taken without toxicity; however, I don't think he ever recommended dosages that high. Anyway, the effect on cold duration seems small and the effect on cancer seems nil. He did have the insight that vitamins might have important biochemical effects unrelated to their prevention of associated deficiency diseases, which could be true; although that has not yet been shown to be so. Vitamin see is critical to our immune systems, formation of collagen, absorbtion of iron, etc; however, the amount that can be used is unknown. I was reacting to the fact that you were taking a potentially toxic amount based on little or no evidence.

Speaking of statistical evidence, clearly, you had not previously been vaccinated against Covid 19 -- was this by choice? I am fascinated by the reasoning of people who willingly will consume handfuls of vitamins with no evidence that it benefits them (or even a coherent theory about how they may work), while rejecting a mind blowingly effective vaccine.[/QUOTE]No evidence that that amount is potentially toxic. Seriously though, it seems like you are here to be adversarial and hostile. Why don't you take a chill pill and stick to talking about Colombian hotties? You want to play medical sage head over to webmd. Self reflection is useful. Go back through your prior posts. They don't portray an amicable personality. This really isn't the place for a cranky old dodger.

[QUOTE=GMoney582;2585325]...a cranky old dodger.[/QUOTE]Maybe 'codger'? Anyhow, you're right about me. I'm simply trying to counter disinformation on this forum.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2585315]I am fascinated by the reasoning of people who willingly will consume handfuls of vitamins with no evidence that it benefits them (or even a coherent theory about how they may work), while rejecting a mind blowingly effective vaccine.[/QUOTE]The road to hell is paved with fascination as such. I mean who would reject the prosperity gospel while throwing their money at the stock market? After all, it is working out great for the preachers. ...as I sit at the beach not vaccinated around a ton of maskless mfs.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2585380]The road to hell is paved with fascination as such. I mean who would reject the prosperity gospel while throwing their money at the stock market? After all, it is working out great for the preachers. ...as I sit at the beach not vaccinated around a ton of maskless mfs.[/QUOTE]Mr. Enternational let me just say this publicly: you are my hero. Love your posts. You're living the life most of us can only dream of.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2580238]I shouldn't laugh, but this is some funny stuff.

The trail to the top of Monserrat is considered a pilgrimage. It's for the devout to prove their faith and purify themselves. For the godless heathens there's the funicular or the team, although the tram wasn't running when I visited. I think it cost 12 k, but that was 6 years ago.

Having just driven Bogota to Medellin and back I can sympathize with anyone who takes the bus. Yes the road is steep and winding and there's a lot of passing on blind corners.

I mostly enjoyed the drive, but I'd hate to take the trip as a passenger.[/QUOTE]Yeah. Atheist that I am, I took the funicular when I went up to the top. You would think most of the chicas in Bogotá would have made this trip before, surprisingly many haven't. Always a good thing to take a chica to when you're looking for something to do and show off your higher foreign value.

[QUOTE=Osiris69;2584458]If you're both in Bogota, perhaps Melgar or Girardot? It's been ages, but did something similar with an ex-GF and friends years ago. Think it was about a 2 hour bus ride from BOG. We just rented a house that we had to ourselves that had a pool. No reception or anything like that. If I'm not mistaken, Melgar is called the swimming pool capital of Colombia they're so common.[/QUOTE]When I visited Bogotá before, I went out to a similar setup in Anapoima. It's in the valley past Melgar but not quite to Giradot. Was quite a bit hotter there and very relaxed. Good four days I spent there with my friend and his family. I was thinking this is the kind of place a gringo with on-point Spanish and social skills could score easily.

[QUOTE=Yossarian;2586060]Yeah. Atheist that I am, I took the funicular when I went up to the top. You would think most of the chicas in Bogot would have made this trip before, surprisingly many haven't. Always a good thing to take a chica to when you're looking for something to do and show off your higher foreign value.[/QUOTE]I confirm that and you can also have a meal once arrived there, there is nice restaurant with a room corridor offering a fantastic view over the city. I had once a diner with my chica there, was pretty early and we've seen the sunset from this terrace while dining and drinking a good wine. It was pretty romantic and she loved it. Restaurant is good but be aware is also a tourist trap regarding the prices but still OK for a gringo budget. I would do that visit again with no hesitation.

[QUOTE=Osiris69;2584458]If you're both in Bogota, perhaps Melgar or Girardot? It's been ages, but did something similar with an ex-GF and friends years ago. Think it was about a 2 hour bus ride from BOG. We just rented a house that we had to ourselves that had a pool. No reception or anything like that. If I'm not mistaken, Melgar is called the swimming pool capital of Colombia they're so common.[/QUOTE]Went to the water park in Melgar with my nurse chick the year before last. Had a good ass time. We only stayed 2 days. Took the bus and found a hotel. Dropped the luggage and changed clothes and took the bus to the water park. When that closed, went back to the hotel to changed and walked around town for dinner. Next day hung out in the hotel pool and took the bus back to Bogota the next morning.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2585380]The road to hell is paved with fascination as such. I mean who would reject the prosperity gospel while throwing their money at the stock market? After all, it is working out great for the preachers. ...as I sit at the beach not vaccinated around a ton of maskless mfs.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you and I are the same with this Mr. E. Since Corona hit, I have been travelling twice a month.

Truth is the worst thing you can do is to have meals with people indoors and talk up close with multiple people for a long period of time. Hanging out with a chick who appears healthy is IMO not a risky thing to do as is going to the beach. If you are going to talk with someone, that is probably the best place to do it.

It is funny how the best ways to communicate were the ones so condemned by those proposing how important and healthy face to face was. It turns out texting, whatsapp, videochats, and email were the healthiest ways to communicate.

Yeah, stay away from the beach they said. Do not go the gym. How much shit advice have they given us? Did you notice that the number of cases in Colombia plummeted when people were not forced to stay inside?

I know we bumped heads in the beginning but kudos to you for listening, weighing what was bad and good advice, and tuning out the bullshit.

[QUOTE=Yossarian;2586060]Yeah. Atheist that I am, I took the funicular when I went up to the top. You would think most of the chicas in Bogot would have made this trip before, surprisingly many haven't. Always a good thing to take a chica to when you're looking for something to do and show off your higher foreign value.[/QUOTE]LOL. #1 thing to do in Cali on Trip Advisor was the zoo. I took a 21 year old teacher I met on SA there, and she had a blast. It is amazing how many of the top tourist things the young women who live in Colombia (and other places) have not done.

Unfortunately, I do not think of Bogota is a place with many tourist things to do, however as has been pointed out, there are a lot of things to do only a short time away.

And if you can get a girl from Bogota to Cancun, you will be a God they never will forget. If you find a keeper, Wingo Air has flights for like $300 for them. It is highly recommended if you want to get a woman out of the cold of Bogota.

Hi guys,

I need your advises. My chica asked me to bring her to a swinger club. She wants something high class in the north. I visited a few clubs in the north but only club de putas and I have never been to a swinger club. To be honest I m bit scared to find myself in the kind of places but also excited So definitely want to try the experience. Does any body know a good place to go?

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2586223]Hi guys,

I need your advises. My chica asked me to bring her to a swinger club. She wants something high class in the north. I visited a few clubs in the north but only club de putas and I have never been to a swinger club. To be honest I m bit scared to find myself in the kind of places but also excited So definitely want to try the experience. Does any body know a good place to go?[/QUOTE]In my Bogota FAQ, you can find a complete overview of the swinger scene... before Covid.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3865-Bogota-FAQ&p=2241562&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2241562.

I haven t been back since the pandemic started, so can't really update the scene. Can give you through pm a whatsap group however for swinger parties.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2586223]Hi guys,

I need your advises. My chica asked me to bring her to a swinger club. She wants something high class in the north. I visited a few clubs in the north but only club de putas and I have never been to a swinger club. To be honest I m bit scared to find myself in the kind of places but also excited So definitely want to try the experience. Does any body know a good place to go?[/QUOTE]I can't help you with a swinger club in Bogota, but I might be able to relieve your worries. I was active on the swing scene in the US for about 12 years with a few different girlfriends.

The typical swingers in the US are in the 30-50 range, although I've seen couples from early 20's to over 70. Mostly they're just normal people, living normal lives. Some will be attractive, some won't. Probably the average will be better in Bogota.

I think most Colombian clubs require you to strip down. That might be the most awkward part, depending on you. One rule I've always found is "no means no. " You don't touch without asking and if someone isn't interested, you move on.

Before you go you need to discuss it with your girl. What is she wanting to do? If jealousy is an issue for either of you, you need to set limits. There may be times when you feel left out. There may be times when someone else is getting a better reaction from her than you normally get. If either has self esteem issues, it'll almost certainly come into play.

I believe many Bogota swing clubs bring in extra girls, because that's where the demand is.

Just take it slow, let your girl take the lead and be aware of how each other is feeling.

One strategy which works well, if you see a girl or couple you're both interested in, wait for the girl to go to the bathroom, then send your girl after her. Girls seem to find it easy to make connections in the bathroom they'll decide whether the interest is mutual.

In the US, condom usage at swing clubs was rare. That may be different in Bogota. Be prepared.

Hello,

I will be going to Bogota for a week my first time in Colombia. Next month can anyone give me a link or PM me some nice airbnb's that are Guest Friendly. I want an apartment for this trip not a hotel.

Thanks.

Thanks Routard and JjBee62 for your answers. Yeah, will take it easy. My girl is not shy and she loves sex so I suspect she should enjoy and that's probably why she suggested we should try to discover this type of parties. I have no problem to see her enjoying other guys, we are good friends and sex friends but we are not a couple. I spend time with her when I m in Bogota and we just enjoy together. I wouldn't mind shagging other sexy girls even in her presence. She already knows that I monger in Bogota when I'm not with her so it looks like this next step might be a good experience.

[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;2192030]Hi Blade:

Thanks for the detailed information. Are you sure about the firewall at Viaggio Virrey? Routard specifically recommends that hotel. But obviously not being able to access ISG would be a deal breaker for many members.

Errol.[/QUOTE]Why worry about the hotel's Wi-Fi, just use your phone's Wi-Fi.

[QUOTE=JJ1265;2586669]Hello,

I will be going to Bogota for a week my first time in Colombia. Next month can anyone give me a link or PM me some nice airbnb's that are Guest Friendly. I want an apartment for this trip not a hotel.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You have to check with the owner or whoever is the contact on Airbnb. Because no matter what the deal was with someone in the past it may not be that way now. I know that a lot of places that were guest friendly in the past are not now. Things like Covid changed that.

I've stayed in Airbnb's in Colombia at least 8 times, and only once was one guest friendly.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2587048]You have to check with the owner or whoever is the contact on Airbnb. Because no matter what the deal was with someone in the past it may not be that way now. I know that a lot of places that were guest friendly in the past are not now. Things like Covid changed that.

I've stayed in Airbnb's in Colombia at least 8 times, and only once was one guest friendly.[/QUOTE]Thanks. What about hotels then? From what I read here IBIS is guest friendly. I have a room reserved there in case I can't get the airbnb I was interested in. Is there somewhere that has up to date info on hotels that allows girls to come in?

[QUOTE=JJ1265;2587139]Thanks. What about hotels then? From what I read here IBIS is guest friendly. I have a room reserved there in case I can't get the airbnb I was interested in. Is there somewhere that has up to date info on hotels that allows girls to come in?[/QUOTE]Hotels near Santa Fe, Tequendama Suites and Hotel San Francisco. Hotel Virrey Park in the north-- There are others I do not know.

There are nice GF Airbnbs in Bacata Building -- can't tell you which-- Nice places to stay also in the area of the Teqendama hotel area known as Teusaquillo or barrio San Diego.

Some nice highrise bldgs in that area with GF AirBnbs-.

Don Carlos stayed at all these last couple of weeks-- Contact him-- Good luck.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2586101]I confirm that and you can also have a meal once arrived there, there is nice restaurant with a room corridor offering a fantastic view over the city. I had once a diner with my chica there, was pretty early and we've seen the sunset from this terrace while dining and drinking a good wine. It was pretty romantic and she loved it. Restaurant is good but be aware is also a tourist trap regarding the prices but still OK for a gringo budget. I would do that visit again with no hesitation.[/QUOTE]When I was there almost 2 years ago, there was a French restaurant and a Colombian restaurant there at the top. Both are very nice places with good service, food and amazing views. I took my chica to the Colombian restaurant there as she was not open to trying the French cuisine. Yes, the prices are high for Bogotá; but, they are not too high for a gringo making good $$$ and with a favorable exchange rate.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2586210]
And if you can get a girl from Bogota to Cancun, you will be a God they never will forget. If you find a keeper, Wingo Air has flights for like $300 for them. It is highly recommended if you want to get a woman out of the cold of Bogota.[/QUOTE]Roger that. One of my chicas there was dying for me to take her to Mazunte when I was going vacation there. Too bad she got kicked to the curb for overplaying her greedy, gold digging hand. LOL.

[QUOTE=JJ1265;2586669]Hello,

I will be going to Bogota for a week my first time in Colombia. Next month can anyone give me a link or PM me some nice airbnb's that are Guest Friendly. I want an apartment for this trip not a hotel.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Suggest you directly contact the owner of the apartment through the AirBnB website and ask directly if he / his building is "guest-friendly". The apartment in which I stay in Chapinero is chica-friendly; but, they do need to have a government-issued ID and present it to security at the front desk (yes, even when I am escorting them in) to be entered into the visitor's log before being granted access to the building.

Has anyone here ever used [URL]https://www.lasnenasbogota.com[/URL].

Just wanted to know if it was a reliable agency hopeful of a longer than one hour booking wasn't looking for a whole lot of drama.

[QUOTE=Yossarian;2587368]I took my chica to the Colombian restaurant there as she was not open to trying the French cuisine.[/QUOTE]Took one of my chicks to Benito Juarez. She said she had never eaten Mexican food. She loved it so much that she wanted to go back the next day. When I asked why she had never eaten Mexican food before, she said because she was scared. What did she think they were serving that she had to be scared about?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2587400]Took one of my chicks to Benito Juarez. She said she had never eaten Mexican food. She loved it so much that she wanted to go back the next day. When I asked why she had never eaten Mexican food before, she said because she was scared. What did she think they were serving that she had to be scared about?[/QUOTE]The spice. My gal freaks out if anything Mexican is spicy hot.

I taste the food before hand to see if something is too spicy but sometimes there is something mild and I say it is okay and she tries it and even says then it is too hot.

Ended up in Bogota last night because my flight to Medellin cancelled.

Last flight of the day to Medellin from Miami.

I just transferred over to the Bogota flight on a whim.

Finally got to my hotel in Bogota at about 2 am.

Rested up and decided today would be a Santa Fe day.

Daytime at about 4 pm made a few laps around the area.

Talked to a few girls, and then I spotted the one, LOL.

A slim, 19 year old morena with a nice booty and a very sweet looking face.

And sweet she was, from the get go.

She told me 40 mil pesos, I told her fine, but I wanted longer than 20 min and I wanted TLC, cario, novia type sexo, etc.

Told her no knock on the door surprises. LOL.

She said she'd stay as long as I needed, I spoke with the lady running the motel and with 20 mil to her, I had up to 90 min.

The sweet morena told me to pay her afterwards whatever I thought was right.

Total GFE. At one point she rolled me on my back and told me to just relax, and she devoured me.

Great time!

We were together about an hour and 20 min, I gave her 100 mil peso note plus 20 mil extra.

I was planning on an early hop to Medellin tomorrow, however, I'll delay a little to see this girl again beforehand.

As a side note.

Afterwards I got something to eat, then checked out the strip clubs.

At Paisas, I saw a beautiful girl dancing on the stage.

She was stunning, I'm heading back there now to see if she's freed up.

Another dude had her at his table, after her stage time.

Hey guys,

I have been in Bogota for a few days and for the life of me I can not find a decent priced massage place. Every phone number on the maps is either disconnected or they are quoting about $40 USD an hour. I don't understand how sex is cheaper than massages so I must be doing something wrong. Please let me know if you know a decent place to get a real massage! Thanks in advance.

Tit for Tat: I had a good time yesterday about 6 pm with a beautiful girl on Carrera 15 between Calle 22-23 closer to the 22 end. Next to rapi Delicias. I was talking her up to come back to my hotel but when she asked how much I low balled her with 50 K for an hour and that spooked her. She finally agreed to only do it there at that hotel for 120 k including the room for 1 hour. First 20 minutes was GFE and then her brain kicked in and she just wanted to do the deed. Excellent blowjob, super tight and overall very good. When they knocked on the door at 47 minutes she started asking for a tip. I should have never paid in advance but I just told her I had no small money. I probably would repeat with her if I couldn't find anything better another day but only in my hotel!

I know I overpayed but she was the only 1 out of 50 that we saw in the whole area that was acceptable to me so rather than waste a trip to Santa Fe I payed that much.

Happy mongering,

MM.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2588675]Hey guys,

I have been in Bogota for a few days and for the life of me I can not find a decent priced massage place. Every phone number on the maps is either disconnected or they are quoting about $40 USD an hour. I don't understand how sex is cheaper than massages so I must be doing something wrong. Please let me know if you know a decent place to get a real massage! Thanks in advance.

Tit for Tat: I had a good time yesterday about 6 pm with a beautiful girl on Carrera 15 between Calle 22-23 closer to the 22 end. Next to rapi Delicias. I was talking her up to come back to my hotel but when she asked how much I low balled her with 50 K for an hour and that spooked her. She finally agreed to only do it there at that hotel for 120 k including the room for 1 hour. First 20 minutes was GFE and then her brain kicked in and she just wanted to do the deed. Excellent blowjob, super tight and overall very good. When they knocked on the door at 47 minutes she started asking for a tip. I should have never paid in advance but I just told her I had no small money. I probably would repeat with her if I couldn't find anything better another day but only in my hotel!

I know I overpayed but she was the only 1 out of 50 that we saw in the whole area that was acceptable to me so rather than waste a trip to Santa Fe I payed that much.

Happy mongering,

MM.[/QUOTE]I will give you the number of my hooker Alejandra that I use for a massage in Santa Fe if you PM me. I give her 100,000 k for an hour. She has hands of steel, gives a great massage, and fucked the shit out of me at the end. I get DFK and BBBJ with her but YMMV. She works a hotel across from Club Piscina in Santa Fe from noon to five PM. Let me know if you find any body fat on her because I could not. She is my chocolate energizer bunny.

I'm going to Colombia in September and a good cheap legitimate massage is one of the things I want. Also looking for happy massages and thinking I might stay around the Mezzanines or else around Santa Fe. Decisions Decisions.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2588708]I will give you the number of my hooker Alejandra that I use for a massage in Santa Fe if you PM me. I give her 100,000 k for an hour. She has hands of steel, gives a great massage, and fucked the shit out of me at the end. I get DFK and BBBJ with her but YMMV. She works a hotel across from Club Piscina in Santa Fe from noon to five PM. Let me know if you find any body fat on her because I could not. She is my chocolate energizer bunny.[/QUOTE]

I Have been so busy with my work on-line that I have not had much time to post here-.

I Have been to SF several times in las few weeks -- Gave a few tours to some ISG guys-- All happy with SF.

LOL, One guy a Asian Swiss was asking every other girl for BBFS-- Hilarity ensued-- he was successful, a crazy young guy-- I think he sessioned 3-4 times while we were out.

I was there on a Monday night for 4 hours straight-- It was decent, a bit slower as can be expected. Still some good action.

Clubs; Went to all clubs and they were as usual-- hit and miss but more hit than miss.

I enjoy Venus and Atonis better as they get the newer younger girls. They are just more fun in general- When the these clubs are at full swing there are 30+ girls and at least 5-10 that are 7-8+.

At Atonis on Fri-Sat there are Live Sex Shows about 9 pm, You can bone a girl on stage for $3.

I was there Friday and there was a really hot semi morena 18-20 yrs getting boned hard by this black guy for 15-20 minutes-.

It's funny, sometimes your in a game so long that you actually forget who you fucked.

I came across her last year around this time when I was knee deep in qurentine and was looking for something close to my old place in Chapinero. Anyway fast forward I went all.

The way to Usaquen and open the door and lo and behold I.

Had fucked and sucked this girl many times before! She looks fantastic and even better then last time in account of her newly found Lipo! I recall the last time I saw her she was getting a little beefy; however now she is a bombshell. She has the cup fake titles that.

Feel soft, a luciouis thick ass and a nice light cinnamon Pussy that gets wet easy. We start off DFK, and she immediately goes oral natural on my cock. Her face is pretty she has little beauty marks on it. She does intense pornstsr style sucking and remembers to lick the balls throughly. We strap up and I get deep inside her pussy. I can't last that long and I ask her where she wants my leche. She pushed her tits together and as I pull out and rip off the rubber she grabs my cock and jerks a 7 ropper on her bolt on titties. Soo much Cum she laughed that it is nonstop. I get her a babywipe. Clean up, shower.

Lay down for 20 min more she gives me a massage and pops on Netflix.

Would repeat again with this Venezuelan beuauty.

Karol.

+57 301 7089777 150 K per hour.

I'll be in Bogota in 3 weeks and will definitely hit up Karol.

Thank you for the report.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2590352]It's funny, sometimes your in a game so long that you actually forget who you fucked.

I came across her last year around this time when I was knee deep in qurentine and was looking for something close to my old place in Chapinero. Anyway fast forward I went all.

The way to Usaquen and open the door and lo and behold I.

Had fucked and sucked this girl many times before! She looks fantastic and even better then last time in account of her newly found Lipo! I recall the last time I saw her she was getting a little beefy; however now she is a bombshell. She has the cup fake titles that.

Feel soft, a luciouis thick ass and a nice light cinnamon Pussy that gets wet easy. We start off DFK, and she immediately goes oral natural on my cock. Her face is pretty she has little beauty marks on it. She does intense pornstsr style sucking and remembers to lick the balls throughly. We strap up and I get deep inside her pussy. I can't last that long and I ask her where she wants my leche. She pushed her tits together and as I pull out and rip off the rubber she grabs my cock and jerks a 7 ropper on her bolt on titties. Soo much Cum she laughed that it is nonstop. I get her a babywipe. Clean up, shower.

Lay down for 20 min more she gives me a massage and pops on Netflix.

Would repeat again with this Venezuelan beuauty.

Karol.

+57 301 7089777 150 K per hour.[/QUOTE]

Had a quick trip planned to Costa Rica. The famous Hotel Del Rey is closed, they have a 9:00 pm Curfew with COVID, clubs are shutdown. Sounded terrible, so I changed flights to Bogota. It'll be my first time in Columbia.

Based on info here, I went with Tequendama Suites since it's close to Santa Fe and chica friendly. One girl I found on mileroticos messaged me back and said Tequendama is an ugly hotel and I would have to get a different hotel if I want to see her. Oh well.

I plan on spending a night at strip clubs. Will definitely hit up Atonis and Venus based on the review below. I'll spend an afternoon walking around Santa Fe. And for the last night, I would like to have two or three higher end chicas stay overnight.

My question is, how do we feel about mileroticos and photoprepagos? I assume they're hit and miss, but are the ads generally reliable or generally fake? I'm too lazy to use SA or Facebook. Sounds like a lot of work.

Any info you can provide would be helpful. I look forward to giving a full report in a few weeks!

Where do you guys go for the covid test? Looking for a good place to get a covid test for travelling back to the US I will be staying in Chapinero area.

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2590656] One girl I found on mileroticos messaged me back and said Tequendama is an ugly hotel and I would have to get a different hotel if I want to see her. Oh well.[/QUOTE]The girl probably mistakenly thought you are staying at Hotel Tequendama instead of Tequendama Suite. Tequendama Suite is a 4-star in Bogota's standard, and is where I stayed when played in Santa Fe. Very spacious suite with kitchenette and more updated than Hotel Tequendama. Hotel Tequendama, a luxurious hotel a while back has passed its glorious days, and needs updating badly. I stayed there once and swear to myself never again. So I am not surprised with the girl's comment if she meant Hotel Tequendama.

To my knowledge, both are not girl friendly although some posters said Tequendama Suite is. You might want to confirm that with the hotel if you plan to bring back chicas. The Ibis across the street Is GF. Like most hotels in downtown Bogota, traffic noise is bad is you are a light sleeper. Bring some ear plugs.

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2590656]Based on info here, I went with Tequendama Suites since it's close to Santa Fe and chica friendly. And for the last night, I would like to have two or three higher end chicas stay overnight.

My question is, how do we feel about mileroticos and photoprepagos?[/QUOTE]Your question should have been how are you going to get them into the hotel.

[QUOTE=JJ1265;2590699]Where do you guys go for the covid test? Looking for a good place to get a covid test for travelling back to the US I will be staying in Chapinero area.[/QUOTE]Ask your hotel. Someone came to Marriott for me. It was only $30 and I did not have to wait in line or take an hour out of my day. It was nice. It took all of 10 minutes which was cool.

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2590656]Had a quick trip planned to Costa Rica. The famous Hotel Del Rey is closed, they have a 9:00 pm Curfew with COVID, clubs are shutdown. Sounded terrible, so I changed flights to Bogota. It'll be my first time in Columbia.

Based on info here, I went with Tequendama Suites since it's close to Santa Fe and chica friendly. One girl I found on mileroticos messaged me back and said Tequendama is an ugly hotel and I would have to get a different hotel if I want to see her. Oh well.

I plan on spending a night at strip clubs. Will definitely hit up Atonis and Venus based on the review below. I'll spend an afternoon walking around Santa Fe. And for the last night, I would like to have two or three higher end chicas stay overnight.[/QUOTE]The Teqendama Suites is a great place to stay-- guests during the day are free I understand. So many ISG guys stay there-.

There is a Great high-rise with AirBnbs that is just Fantastic.Don Carlos stayed there recently-- Beautiful GF-- But I do not know which.

Building is the Edificio Museo Parque Central-- on the corne of Calle 28 and cr 13 a. Another club to check out is Texas-- it is the cheapest club, smaller on Calle 23 and CR 16-- I walked in the other day and there were a couple of really hot girls who were busy doing lapdances.

I have a mental note to go back- Also California a couple doors up the street is worth checking out. These 4 clubs are the cheaper clubs but as I said before you find newer younger girls there.

LapDances as low as $3 and a lot of time you can play Dr with the girls. Some girls that is. A lot will let you spread their pussy from the sides -- but will stop you if you start to touch their labias LOL.

Sessioning in these places is 50 mil- 80 mil. Some BB action but it's difficult. You got to romance these girls for that.

Going upstairs at Venus and Atonis is very interesting, they have brightly lit make-up rooms where girls are sitting around naked. Just Fantastic at times.

There is another I used to go to named La Casona next to Troya, not sure if that is open.

Attached are a few photos of Girls from these clubs. These are from years ago. Same quality now.

You definitely should see the Live sex show at Venus. That is something different. Not easy to find something like that-- It is Surreal to be in a crowded club and Sex is happening right there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2590753]Your question should have been how are you going to get them into the hotel.[/QUOTE]Well that sucks. I can cancel Tequendama Suites. I just wanted somewhere close to Santa Fe where the action is. I can take a cab somewhere farther. What's the nicest chica friendly spot you can recommend?

Appreciate it guys.

[QUOTE=ViajandoMusico;2590742]The girl probably mistakenly thought you are staying at Hotel Tequendama instead of Tequendama Suite. Tequendama Suite is a 4-star in Bogota's standard, and is where I stayed when played in Santa Fe. Very spacious suite with kitchenette and more updated than Hotel Tequendama. Hotel Tequendama, a luxurious hotel a while back has passed its glorious days, and needs updating badly. I stayed there once and swear to myself never again. So I am not surprised with the girl's comment if she meant Hotel Tequendama.

To my knowledge, both are not girl friendly although some posters said Tequendama Suite is. You might want to confirm that with the hotel if you plan to bring back chicas. The Ibis across the street Is GF. Like most hotels in downtown Bogota, traffic noise is bad is you are a light sleeper. Bring some ear plugs.[/QUOTE]Thanks man. I went back a few months and found that Woodman (sounds like I need a Woodman tour, BTW) previously recommended JW Marriott in Chapinero. The guest fees aren't that big of a deal.

Anything I need to know before I book this place? They allow more than one guest at a time? Thanks guys.

Hi guys,

Curious how things are and if need a negative pcr test before arrival and to leave? I'll be flying from Canada and changing flights in the USA.

How are things at fiebre, troya and paisas? My 3 favorites!

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2579175]Lots of prepagos haters limit you to one guest on the registration and only that guest can be admitted, tats how they limit you from bringing a bunch of different women. Make a left of of the Click Clack go 2 blocks north to Lloyds Apartasuites. $50 us a night and never a question of who visits you. I stay here exclusively for the last 8 years, PM me if you need more info.[/QUOTE]Hola LL,

Trying to PM you but your inbox is full.

In September I'm going to Bogotá for two weeks with only one purpose to see the girls. What is your opinion? Where is more reasonable to settle? Close to the Mezzanine and travel to Santa Fe or near Santa Fe and travel to Mezzanine. I don't care about other tourist activities, night life, and safety is not the main concern. Why had an experience with Hotel San Francisco de Asís and Ibis Bogota Museo? If I pay for two guests, could I bring and change the girls without headaches with reception? My experience in some hotels. The hotels allow to register one girl and you have to pay for the next one,. Or you can bring girls before 8 pm and than you have to pay if you they stay longer, etc. Please share your experience and opinion.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2591402]In September I'm going to Bogot for two weeks with only one purpose to see the girls. What is your opinion? Where is more reasonable to settle? Close to the Mezzanine and travel to Santa Fe or near Santa Fe and travel to Mezzanine. I don't care about other tourist activities, night life, and safety is not the main concern. Why had an experience with Hotel San Francisco de Ass and Ibis Bogota Museo? If I pay for two guests, could I bring and change the girls without headaches with reception? My experience in some hotels. The hotels allow to register one girl and you have to pay for the next one,. Or you can bring girls before 8 pm and than you have to pay if you they stay longer, etc. Please share your experience and opinion.[/QUOTE]I know many ISG guys who have stayed at Ibis and SF hotel-- Both have not been a hassle to have different girls 1 at a time- Girls should have ID.

I think those are great choices if you want to go to Santa Fe a lot-- You can cab or take Transmilenio to La Mezzanine very easily.

Good Luck!

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2590787]Thanks man. I went back a few months and found that Woodman (sounds like I need a Woodman tour, BTW) previously recommended JW Marriott in Chapinero. The guest fees aren't that big of a deal.

Anything I need to know before I book this place? They allow more than one guest at a time? Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]I sneaked a girl in there once, but she didn't look like a hooker and we went in as if we belonged. But while I don't have a firsthand knowledge, I doubt they'd let you bring 2 girls, even for the additional fee.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2579175]Lots of prepagos haters limit you to one guest on the registration and only that guest can be admitted, tats how they limit you from bringing a bunch of different women. Make a left of of the Click Clack go 2 blocks north to Lloyds Apartasuites. $50 us a night and never a question of who visits you. I stay here exclusively for the last 8 years, PM me if you need more info.[/QUOTE]I am going to Bogota and Cartagena in November 2021. I made reservations to stay at the Click Clack Hotel. I will cancel reservation and reserve a room down the street where I can better make use of the facilities! Thanks.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2591402]In September I'm going to Bogot for two weeks with only one purpose to see the girls. What is your opinion? Where is more reasonable to settle? Close to the Mezzanine and travel to Santa Fe or near Santa Fe and travel to Mezzanine. I don't care about other tourist activities, night life, and safety is not the main concern. Why had an experience with Hotel San Francisco de Ass and Ibis Bogota Museo? If I pay for two guests, could I bring and change the girls without headaches with reception? My experience in some hotels. The hotels allow to register one girl and you have to pay for the next one,. Or you can bring girls before 8 pm and than you have to pay if you they stay longer, etc. Please share your experience and opinion.[/QUOTE]North (Mezzanine) is much better area to live and set dates. You can always bring them to motels as Colombians do. I would book an apartment for 2 weeks. Of course mine is only an opinion. Santa Fe is a hit them and run away area. Usaquen, area near Andino Mall. Better areas of the city by all means.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2584094]Getting out of Toronto is relatively easy. You would only have to supply whatever information Colombia requires.

Getting back in is a nightmare. The arrivecan app gets used once. Someone checks it is valid. But you fill out information about 5 times. Immigration, screening, Covid testing, etc. Etc. Don't know why they can't use the same information at each step. Say from the ArriveCan app. But they don't. May help if you also download the Corona testing app. Don't know what it is called, but filling it out as you stand in line really sucks.

And then, as a fully vaccinated person coming back you would think they might let you know what you need to do or don't need to do. But after an hour of filling out forms, being interviewed, setting up apps, getting tested. You walk out in a daze without a real clue what you can or cannot do. And the only good thing is that they don't usher you to a quarantine hotel. I had to research what was expected after I got home. Basically they treat everyone as if they are subject to full quarantine, and let you figure it out if you aren't.[/QUOTE]Oh man it seems like a nightmare. Even fully vaccinated people require a test result that is less than 72 hours of your direct flight back to Canada. But doesn't it take up to 3 days to even get test results? Or more for the CRP tests required for travel? Isn't that cutting it pretty close, even with a direct flight? Can I ask where did you get your test, and was it expensive? And how long did it take to get your results? I'd appreciate information from anyone with some insight to offer. Imagine paying hundreds of dollars for a test that isn't ready in time and then not being allowed on your flight. Seems like the Canadian government is trying to defer people from travelling by just burying it's citizens in layers of bureaucracy.

Someone please give me some hope.

[QUOTE=OaktownPaul;2591558]I am going to Bogota and Cartagena in November 2021. I made reservations to stay at the Click Clack Hotel. I will cancel reservation and reserve a room down the street where I can better make use of the facilities! Thanks.[/QUOTE]They have a rooftop bar, or at least they had one, not sure if Covid made them close it. At one time you could go up there then make your way to the room. IMO that's too much aggravation to deal with. I have been by that hotel hundreds of times always business groups and familys coming and going. And it seems they try to discourage prepago visits and keep it a family hotel. I have an excellent recommendation a block and a half from there. Send me a PM.

[QUOTE=NewYorkLover;2591391]Hola LL,

Trying to PM you but your inbox is full.[/QUOTE]Ok to write me.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2588271]The spice. My gal freaks out if anything Mexican is spicy hot.

I taste the food before hand to see if something is too spicy but sometimes there is something mild and I say it is okay and she tries it and even says then it is too hot.[/QUOTE]I can believe that. Colombian food for the most part is quite bland, especially compared to Mexican food.

[QUOTE=Questner;2591578]North (Mezzanine) is much better area to live and set dates. You can always bring them to motels as Colombians do. I would book an apartment for 2 weeks. Of course mine is only an opinion. Santa Fe is a hit them and run away area. Usaquen, area near Andino Mall. Better areas of the city by all means.[/QUOTE]I have always liked Chapinero. Good, safe area that is central to Santa Fe to the South and Parque Virrey to the North.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2591738]Oh man it seems like a nightmare. Even fully vaccinated people require a test result that is less than 72 hours of your direct flight back to Canada. But doesn't it take up to 3 days to even get test results? Or more for the CRP tests required for travel? Isn't that cutting it pretty close, even with a direct flight? Can I ask where did you get your test, and was it expensive? And how long did it take to get your results? I'd appreciate information from anyone with some insight to offer. Imagine paying hundreds of dollars for a test that isn't ready in time and then not being allowed on your flight. Seems like the Canadian government is trying to defer people from travelling by just burying it's citizens in layers of bureaucracy.

Someone please give me some hope.[/QUOTE]Why would you pay hundreds of dollars for a test? There are 2 testing locations right at the Bogota airport which charge 140 k which is about $45 Canadian. Test results in an hour for the antigen test. If Canada requires the PCR test you can get results in less than 24 hours.

If you don't want to use the airport testing center (protip: number 2 is much less busy than number 1), there are many labs which will provide PCR results in under 24 hours. They will even come to your hotel to test you. I can't imagine any test in Colombia now costing More than $70 Canadian or taking longer than 24 hours.

[QUOTE=Yossarian;2591785]I have always liked Chapinero. Good, safe area that is central to Santa Fe to the South and Parque Virrey to the North.[/QUOTE]Walked in Chapinero at night, no problems; however, west of Transmilenio should not be an area to walk aimlessly at night. Anyway, I responded to a choice between two options.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2591738]Oh man it seems like a nightmare. Even fully vaccinated people require a test result that is less than 72 hours of your direct flight back to Canada. But doesn't it take up to 3 days to even get test results? Or more for the CRP tests required for travel? Isn't that cutting it pretty close, even with a direct flight? Can I ask where did you get your test, and was it expensive? And how long did it take to get your results? I'd appreciate information from anyone with some insight to offer. Imagine paying hundreds of dollars for a test that isn't ready in time and then not being allowed on your flight. Seems like the Canadian government is trying to defer people from travelling by just burying it's citizens in layers of bureaucracy.

Someone please give me some hope.[/QUOTE]It has to be a PCR test. So go somewhere to get a PCR test with a 24 hour turn around. That applies to everyone entering Canada, vaccinations or not. I was in Costa Rica not Colombia, but had no problem getting a PCR test, with 24 hour turnaround.

Then, when you get to your destination in Canada you will be required to take a test at the airport. Also a PCR test.

If you are vaccinated, both doses, more than 15 days since your second shot, then you can skip the quarantine requirement and go home. You may be asked to take another PCR test on day 8 after your arrival, but my understanding is that this is optional if you are fully vaccinated.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2591774]Ok to write me.[/QUOTE]Tried to PM you as well. Your mailbox is full again. You are a popular man, LOL.

Can anyone tell me where I can get a good exchange rate withdrawing from an ATM with a Schwab card? I tried a Davienda ATM inside an Olimpica in Chapinero and it offered me a rate around 3500 pesos per dollar. Yahoo Finance shows 3838 peso per dollar, so I declined and the transaction did not go through. Next I tried a Servibanca ATM. It indicated that there would be a fee of 16.000 pesos. I accepted since Schwab reimburses fees, but then it offered a rate of around 3600 pesos per dollar, so I hesitated and the transaction did not go through.

Thanks Zeos and JJBee62 for the info.

And Elvis if you see this, or whoever else I might have pissed off a while back with my stance against raw dogging ams right after pros, I want to say my bad. The risk is a choice between the two consenting adults involved and I was acting a bit sanctimonious.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2592417]Can anyone tell me where I can get a good exchange rate withdrawing from an ATM with a Schwab card? I tried a Davienda ATM inside an Olimpica in Chapinero and it offered me a rate around 3500 pesos per dollar. Yahoo Finance shows 3838 peso per dollar, so I declined and the transaction did not go through.[/QUOTE]Never accept the rate. You decline that and it automatically gives you the interbank exchange rate. You must have hit cancel or something, otherwise it goes through normally. I think all the rates are the same, except when they offer you a rate it means they are trying to rip you off.

This map may help.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1mIZMErk8w3Us_tnZ-lVs6h6kgvA&ll=4.649855376936736%2C-74.06863960000003&z=15[/URL]

This might Help.

[QUOTE=Questner;2591942]Walked in Chapinero at night, no problems; however, west of Transmilenio should not be an area to walk aimlessly at night. Anyway, I responded to a choice between two options.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2592575]Never accept the rate. You decline that and it automatically gives you the interbank exchange rate. You must have hit cancel or something, otherwise it goes through normally. I think all the rates are the same, except when they offer you a rate it means they are trying to rip you off.[/QUOTE]The ATM screen gives you a choice to 'Decline Conversion' I suppose this a trick to make gringos think they will cancel the transaction if they decline? Why else? Yes the transaction goes through-.

But Recently I have been taking out 3.9 Million pesos a day for business and I have used several banks-- I ran the numbers the other day on a few different banks on the rates-.

BanColombia is consistently skimming 200 pesos Per Dollar while the others were giving me the full rate from the day before-- I had not been using BanCol because they have a 600 mil per trans and others are much higher but I had to use them a couple of days for convenience-- I noticed a bit of a difference on my bank statement so I ran numbers. And I did do transactions at BanCol and Colpatria the same day and it was a 200 peso PD difference-- I had Bancol WDs on 2 different days that I checked-.

Here are the max amounts per transaction on a few banks;.

Davivienda gives 2 million pesos at 1 time-- Caja Social gives up to 1. 9 million, Pinchicha gives up to 1 million and Colpatria gives 900 mil.

I was out in Santa Fe from 7 to 11. Streets were pretty fair--Not bad.

Went to Venus, Troya, Atonis and Fiebre, Texas, and California-.

I love that I can walk into clubs and just walk out if I feel like it and there is no cover. I read on MDE board they are paying covers to clubs-.

Venus was not as good as last week, about 12 girls some pretty hot and no sex show-- I suppose because it was not as busy?

Troya had about 30+ girls 10+ were above average a few really super hot.

Fiebre had about 20+ girls, 10+ above average -- a few super hot.

Atonis had about 20+ girls many average 8 were above average+.

California was not really busy but we were there early.

Texas had about 10 girls it was early-- pretty average. They were saying that there was going to be a sex show but as I said the quality was not so much.

Police Sweep / Inspection-- There was a team of cops going from club to club checking IDs. First time I ever have experienced that. We were in Fiebre and they came in asked for IDs. The guy I was with had only a photo of passport on phone which the cop said was not sufficient but let off with that. You should at least have a paper copy which usually is sufficient.

There was a squad of machine gun toting soldiers as I was walking out.

All in all I would say that SF is still a great place for those who give it a chance.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2592417]Can anyone tell me where I can get a good exchange rate withdrawing from an ATM with a Schwab card? I tried a Davienda ATM inside an Olimpica in Chapinero and it offered me a rate around 3500 pesos per dollar. Yahoo Finance shows 3838 peso per dollar, so I declined and the transaction did not go through. Next I tried a Servibanca ATM. It indicated that there would be a fee of 16.000 pesos. I accepted since Schwab reimburses fees, but then it offered a rate of around 3600 pesos per dollar, so I hesitated and the transaction did not go through.[/QUOTE]Some banks play this stupid game and during the ATM transaction you are asked for Currency Conversion. Always select 'no' or you will get a very bad exchange rate. Recently I used ATM at NovaScotia bank and did not see it asking for it so that is a good option. I did see this currency conversion at Servibanca ATM. Personally I stay away from ATM banks that prompt for this conversion. It is a scam.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2592575]Never accept the rate. You decline that and it automatically gives you the interbank exchange rate. You must have hit cancel or something, otherwise it goes through normally. I think all the rates are the same, except when they offer you a rate it means they are trying to rip you off.[/QUOTE]Thanks! My withdrawals failed because I entered the wrong account type. I had forgotten that my Schwab account is a checking account, not a saving account. I went back to the Davivienda ATM and tried again. It offered me a rate of 3562. I declined, then received cash at a rate of 3887.

[QUOTE=KewDude;2592356]Tried to PM you as well. Your mailbox is full again. You are a popular man, LOL.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I thought I deleted a lot of them, I'll clear out so more now.

So here is a strange thing. I have been contacting some prepagos, and suddenly I get an unsolicited message from the number +57 3122517415 where someone pretends to be a girl asking what I want. I say "wait a minute, who are you?" And that person begins making a huge fuzz about I need to respond telling what I want right now. I say hey, relax, I am still trying to figure out who this is from. I search the photo that was sent with Google image search and find nothing. I search the phone number and it does find some old entry that was once on photoprepago but nothing active.

The person gets more and more pushy and angry and then takes my picture from WhatsApp and creates some meme saying this is a pedophile and shit like that. And threatens to have all "her" friends put it out on social media, etc.

Since I didn't do anything wrong, I don't have anything to panic. But I do wonder if I should go to a police place tomorrow and show them the conversation and denounce that number? The number is registered to someone. On the other hand, I wonder if that is even necessary, since this threat is probably just an empty threat just to see if I can be baited to send money (and then again and again and again). So what I did was declare that that is all a lie and I will report that to police, and out of principle never pay a blackmailer.

I thought you should know. And I wonder if this happened to anyone of you guys? One could say, perhaps not to use a real profile picture on whatsapp that's used to communicate with these escort numbers. Since I didn't do anything wrong, I don't really mind, but it is weird.

I believe these are all empty threats only designed to get me all wound up and scared, because either I had done something wrong (which I had not) or because perhaps I am one of the many who are trying to hide their interest. I don't really have that problem. So I basically stayed firm and unphazed, believing that they will give up on this scam. However, my experience has been that it is tricky to get such an onslaught of unsolicited messages to stop. People have a lot of time and try a war o attrition on the nerves. Although the messages have stopped for now. I essentially threatened him back saying that what he is doing is a crime and I committed no crime and that I will go to the police to denounce this umber.

I am not sure if I should go to the police, since I don't think they will even do anything nor will it help me even if these people were smarter than they apparently are. In the worst case the police would confiscate my phone and start digging in all my messages. I don't have anything to hide but it would be immensely intrusive and ultimately I think government related people are more dangerous than some morons trying an extortion scam.

But I like to compare notes. Also I suggest you use a picture in your WhatsApp profile that you do not use anywhere else, since with Google image search they might be able to link the picture to you and then they might do more damage. Looks like my enemy here is not that smart. But I will wise up.

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PS: what would be really interesting is to find out what establishment this number 3122517415 has ever been associated with, that way we could all avoid this establishment. It's tricky to do that though because unfortunately the pages are gone from Photoprepago, so one can't use images to make a connection to a set of establishments. I am assuming that this link does not go through an independent escort but from some scam place.

From my blackmail issue I wanted to give a list of establishments which I find suspect, so I am going to put that list here asking others to see if they had any experience with these places.

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1. A place with a too good to be true? Offer of 2 hours with 4 girls for 40 kCOP.

+57 313 4058329.

[URL]https://co.mundosexanuncio.com/prepagos-y-putas/arrecha-cobro-2-horas-40-000-tengo-3-amigas-mas-chapinero-950989[/URL]

Casa in Chapinero Cra 17 #53-38.

The communication I had with them seemed legit, like they show their place and address in the profile image, it's not a bad neighborhood, they give the detailed rules.

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2. A "Club del Sexo", too good to be true? Rapiditos 30 ML, 1 hour 80 mil, no, that's normal price.

+57 311 5668985.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/masajes-eroticos/ven-y-te-chupobesa-verguita-delicioso-3142103954/19980001/[/URL]

Casa in Chapinero Cra 17 #61 a-33.

Communication has been brief, I received a flyer picture with the address and the price list.

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3. Privilegios, agencia in Antonio Nario, they gave some delicious descriptions.

+57 302 2428475.

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/antonio-nari%C3%B1o/somos-una-reservada-agencia-con-chicas-totalmente-complacientes-id-wxjau[/URL]

Casa 2640 CL. 17 Sur, Bogot, Antonio Nario, Bogot.

My inquiry message was received but not replied, and they are supposedly open on weekends, so no reply after several hours is a bit suspect.

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4. Girls 24/7 - legit prices.

+57 311 4474549.

[URL]https://co.mundosexanuncio.com/contactos-lesbianas/mamasitas-cuquita-deliciosa-y-jugosita-60-mil-hora-990131[/URL]

Edificio Gonzales CL 61 #13-44 Chapinero, seems like legit address.

Seems legit and I even messages with one of the chicas directly (under a different pseudonym but same address and same pics).

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5. Casa del Placer Fontibon.

+57 314 3056711.

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/fontibon/caliente-llenas-de-placer-ninfomanas-fontibon-24-h-nuevo-personal-los-hoteles-apto-video-llamadas-id-h9pmg[/URL]

Cr 109 bis and 16 j 49, El Carmen, Fontiband, Bogot.

It seems legit, far away, but interesting and I'm smitten by one of the girls despite saggy boobs and a post partum belly.

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6. Agencia Schoolgirls.

+57 310 4868039.

[URL]https://co.mundosexanuncio.com/prepagos-y-putas/schoolgirls-agencia-de-lolitas-y-colegialas-de-bogota-1054732[/URL]

Virtual agency: [URL]https://agenciaschoolgirls.com.co/[/URL].

This presents all the girls in some school uniform or cheerleader mini skirt, but everyone makes a point that it is all legit over 18 and ID check. I talked with the manager dude to find out which of the ones would fit my requirements, but apparently they all had some restrictions that I didn't want to have so our conversation did not come to a happy ending. We didn't argue, he just said they didn't have that (like deep throating or anal or whatever they didn't want to do.) So that was it. But looks like a legit agency.

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Now, for full disclosure, while I do like the younglings, everything is always above board -- e. G. , once I was in a restaurant for dinner with a young Venezolana from SA who then turned out to be 17 and a half years old. Needless to say, that had been the end of any after dinner activities for me. I don't have any evidence that with any of these agencies there is anything going on the wrong. Hence I don't have any wrong doing to worry about with this blackmailing (which messages have stopped for over an hour now).

I would like our fellow compatriots to compare notes if they suspect anything with these casas / agencies I have listed. Especially I'd be interested if someone knows that place in Fontibon, as I am resolved to take the long drive over these to check them out. But if you guys already know it's a trap, then I'll get that out of my mind.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2592800]. Although the messages have stopped for now. I essentially threatened him back saying that what he is doing is a crime and I committed no crime and that I will go to the police to denounce this umber.

I am not sure if I should go to the police, since I don't think they will even do anything nor will it help me even if these people were smarter than they apparently are. In the worst case the police would confiscate my phone and start digging in all my messages. I don't have anything to hide but it would be immensely intrusive and ultimately I think government related people are more dangerous than some morons trying an extortion scam.
[/QUOTE]I think these assholes that do this kind of shit are some of the lowest forms of life and I would consider going to the police if there was any chance they might get into some trouble, I would at least stop in and talk to the police, don't Colombians have to register an ID to get a SIM? I suppose on the one hand they could always say the phone was stolen, but I should think the police could get creative and figure out if that was true or not.

Rainy night-- lightened up a lot by 8 -.

I went out about 8:30 streets were so-so-- and I went to Atonis -- was pretty average--15 girls, a few hotties.

Walked down to Venus was better I went upstairs with a girl I know from before. I went to have a coffee after that and was going to leave but the girls in the street got me going again.

I ended up going back to Atonis about 10:30, there were more girls and I ended up hooking up with a very hot Venezolana. When we got upstairs I felt like I wish I had waited as there was a whole squad of hot girls in the make-up room getting there warpaint on. Looked like they had just got there. There were about 8 fresh girls-- Now I must go back to and find a few of those.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2592800]So here is a strange thing. I have been contacting some prepagos, and suddenly I get an unsolicited message from the number +57 3122517415 where someone pretends to be a girl asking what I want. I say "wait a minute, who are you?" And that person begins making a huge fuzz about I need to respond telling what I want right now. I say hey, relax, I am still trying to figure out who this is from. I search the photo that was sent with Google image search and find nothing. I search the phone number and it does find some old entry that was once on photoprepago but nothing active.

The person gets more and more pushy and angry and then takes my picture from WhatsApp and creates some meme saying this is a pedophile and shit like that. And threatens to have all "her" friends put it out on social media, etc........[/QUOTE]I find it strange that there was no request for money.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2592646]I was out in Santa Fe from 7 to 11. Streets were pretty fair--Not bad.

Went to Venus, Troya, Atonis and Fiebre, Texas, and California-.

I love that I can walk into clubs and just walk out if I feel like it and there is no cover. I read on MDE board they are paying covers to clubs-.

Venus was not as good as last week, about 12 girls some pretty hot and no sex show-- I suppose because it was not as busy?

Troya had about 30+ girls 10+ were above average a few really super hot..[/QUOTE]I was in Santa Fe last night and the cops basically shut down the area at 1 AM. If you were in a club, you could stay, but you couldn't get back in if you left. They were telling everyone in the street to go home. The enforcement was a bit lax though, since people were gathering in the side streets and workers from the clubs were trying to sneak people into the clubs, a few at a time. It was strange situation and I'm not sure what the purpose of this shutdown was. But I was able to get into Paisas and pull a really skinny girl from there before calling it a night.

Prior to the late night shutdown, I visited Troya, Fiebres, Atones. All the clubs were pretty busy but not at pre-pandemic levels for a Saturday night. Girls not quite as hot a previous years, but not bad. Almost all seem to be Venezuelans. Troya didn't have any girls I was interested in. Atones had a couple hotties but they were drinking with other guys. Fiebres had several hot girls and I pulled a hot Venezuelan that I hadn't seen before. The normal rate for these girls is 70 K COP room included, but this girl charged me 100 K COP and asked me to buy her a drink on top of that. I didn't care though because she was the hottest girl in there by far. Session was jusk ok as she didn't allow me to all the things I wanted.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2592968]I find it strange that there was no request for money.[/QUOTE]There was of course a request for money, the initial bait was 200 kCOP, which I believe was set in such a way to sucker guys to just try to get over it that way, since it isn't the world. But of course as these things go, it's a mutual baiting game. If you fold, then they smell blood and try to go for it the next time with double. After all, paying black mailers carries an implicit admission of guilt, or at least the guy knows then that you are weak minded or are, well, blackmailable.

This is why I think I got the problem resolved simply by threatening back police action and pointing out the criminal nature of what they were doing and staying very calm on the basis that I have nothing really to hide. And that also fortified my counter-threat that I would be going to the police.

As usual, predators are picking easy prey. And I am sure that dude had a dozen prospects on the hook.

P.S.: you can also usually tell how dumb these guys are, because his threat that he had a friend at "the embassy". Like how exactly is that supposed to scare me?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2592968]I find it strange that there was no request for money.[/QUOTE]I find it strange he engaged in a conversation rather than instantly blocking a random number.

I went to the location marked SWers (02-16-2019) on World Travel 69's map at Calle 62 and Avenida Caracas yesterday around 11 PM and again today around 1 PM. I did not see any streetwalkers there at those times, though I can certainly believe that it had been a good location to find streetwalkers at some point in time with the many love motels nearby. Maybe early evening would be a better time to try.

Next, I went to Rosquillas 2 at Calle 64 # 15-30. First, I talked to the guy outside who was yelling "Chicas!" I asked him in Spanish if there would any fee if I didn't select any girl. He told me that there was no fee for viewing and no commitment (sin compromiso). I went in, and was asked if I wanted anything to drink. I declined, saying that I was just there for the girls. I saw two girls who were not really my type. Then, I asked how much half an hour would cost. I was told 40 dollars. The answer shocked me. "Dices dolares?" I asked. "Dolares, dolares," he replied in. I said thanks, and immediately got up and left. I wasn't even carrying any dollars. I realize now that I should have asked for a price in pesos before leaving. I think more girls would have come out if I had waited. I thought (wrongly) that I would get better treatment since I spoke Spanish the whole time I was there. 40 dollars or the peso equivalent is rather high for half an hour with the level of talent that I saw, though I probably didn't see all they had to offer.

Does anyone want to join me for a trip to Santa Fe or the Mezzanine?

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2592800]So here is a strange thing. I have been contacting some prepagos, and suddenly I get an unsolicited message from the number +57 3122517415 where someone pretends to be a girl asking what I want. I say "wait a minute, who are you?" And that person begins making a huge fuzz about I need to respond telling what I want right now. I say hey, relax, I am still trying to figure out who this is from. I search the photo that was sent with Google image search and find nothing. I search the phone number and it does find some old entry that was once on photoprepago but nothing active.

The person gets more and more pushy and angry and then takes my picture from WhatsApp and creates some meme saying this is a pedophile and shit like that. And threatens to have all "her" friends put it out on social media, etc.[/QUOTE]I use my dual messenger google number when I contact those sites, and I most definitely do not have my picture up on the profile. I give an unknown two times to say who they are and if they do not then they are blocked. I am not as curious as you as to have to know who it is that I have to tell them to relax and me try to figure it out and do all kinds of searches and shit. Curious people make for easy prey.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2592996]I find it strange he engaged in a conversation rather than instantly blocking a random number.[/QUOTE]Not strange at all. Once the conversation turned hostile, I followed the rule ". Keep your enemies closer". Since I did make a bunch of contacts, I was thinking it might be some reply that came from a different number, I have seen that happen before. While I was trying to figure out who this was, the dude already started getting pushy and impatient. And the threats came soon. I thought about blocking them, sure, but I still have not and I feel it was better this way. Once I knew this was an enemy and he already was threatening me with my picture, I felt it is best to keep replying firmly (at a slow pace of course, like not getting into a mad message exchange), making counter-threats and see what his next move is rather than having it blocked and not knowing what's going on.

Now, for example, almost a day went by with no further word, this means to me that the spook is over. I would not know that if I had blocked this conversation.

The only time that perhaps I should have blocked was right at the start, unsolicited contacts. Block. Sure that would have avoided the first escalation.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2592800]So here is a strange thing. I have been contacting some prepagos, and suddenly I get an unsolicited message from the number +57 3122517415 where someone pretends to be a girl asking what I want. I say "wait a minute, who are you?" And that person begins making a huge fuzz about I need to respond telling what I want right now. I say hey, relax, I am still trying to figure out who this is from. I search the photo that was sent with Google image search and find nothing. I search the phone number and it does find some old entry that was once on photoprepago but nothing active.

The person gets more and more pushy and angry and then takes my picture from WhatsApp and creates some meme saying this is a pedophile and shit like that. And threatens to have all "her" friends put it out on social media, etc.

Since I didn't do anything wrong, I don't have anything to panic. But I do wonder if I should go to a police place tomorrow and show them the conversation and denounce that number?[/QUOTE]Didn't do anything wrong are famous last words in the sex prison, but Latin America is different. When the government declares a war on trafficking or a war on drugs, IMO they are willing to take on benign people and turn them into criminals.

Don't go to the police. That is a waste of time or at worst, they will shake you down. You block and report the number to whatsapp if you are using them and adjust your security settings on social media. If they do post on social media blasting you, you report the poster. If Facebook or Instagram or whomever will not take down the bad post, you delete your account and start a fresh one and then put on enhanced security settings.

A college professor said after getting tenure that he would have to rape the dean's wife in front of the Hallmark catalogue to get fired. He was a foreigner and was laughing at how ridiculous tenure was. I think you could find Colombian women who would say something similar about men being charged and convicted of rape there.

As for the embassy angle, that was a funny one. I actually went through a bit of that with my ex-fiancé. I was pissed at her and fucking with her and told her that I would sue her for breach of contract. She did not know what to do, so she said, "I will go to the embassy and tell them you are threatening me". I laughed and said, "*****, you have already been to the Embassy to check on your fiancé paperwork and they would not let you in. Why would they let you in now?

I would imagine if anyone went to the embassy with a law enforcement concern with an American and did get in (a Herculean task at that), the embassy would be refer things to the local police.

[QUOTE=Blade2001;2592990]I was in Santa Fe last night and the cops basically shut down the area at 1 AM. If you were in a club, you could stay, but you couldn't get back in if you left. They were telling everyone in the street to go home. The enforcement was a bit lax though, since people were gathering in the side streets and workers from the clubs were trying to sneak people into the clubs, a few at a time. It was strange situation and I'm not sure what the purpose of this shutdown was. But I was able to get into Paisas and pull a really skinny girl from there before calling it a night.

Prior to the late night shutdown, I visited Troya, Fiebres, Atones. All the clubs were pretty busy but not at pre-pandemic levels for a Saturday night. Girls not quite as hot a previous years, but not bad. Almost all seem to be Venezuelans. Troya didn't have any girls I was interested in. Atones had a couple hotties but they were drinking with other guys. Fiebres had several hot girls and I pulled a hot Venezuelan that I hadn't seen before. The normal rate for these girls is 70 K COP room included, but this girl charged me 100 K COP and asked me to buy her a drink on top of that. I didn't care though because she was the hottest girl in there by far. Session was just ok as she didn't allow me to all the things I wanted.[/QUOTE]Yeah, last night seemed a bit off. Friday was better.

The Police situation is weird, Something new. Maybe there are more cases of covid? One thing for sure being in the crowded clubs will most probably expose you to covid. I had it 2 times. Like Rand Paul I don't need the vax as advised by my Dr.

Hope it goes back to normal.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2593050]Not strange at all. Once the conversation turned hostile, I followed the rule ". Keep your enemies closer". Since I did make a bunch of contacts, I was thinking it might be some reply that came from a different number, I have seen that happen before. While I was trying to figure out who this was, the dude already started getting pushy and impatient. And the threats came soon. I thought about blocking them, sure, but I still have not and I feel it was better this way. Once I knew this was an enemy and he already was threatening me with my picture, I felt it is best to keep replying firmly (at a slow pace of course, like not getting into a mad message exchange), making counter-threats and see what his next move is rather than having it blocked and not knowing what's going on.

Now, for example, almost a day went by with no further word, this means to me that the spook is over. I would not know that if I had blocked this conversation.

The only time that perhaps I should have blocked was right at the start, unsolicited contacts. Block. Sure that would have avoided the first escalation.[/QUOTE]Don't answer an unknown call, then immediately block the number. You don't let yourself get drawn into anything with some character on the street, why do it online when it's even simpler than walking away. You can't be that bored or lonely or needing a dopamine hit from your phone lighting up.

Can someone who's been to Bogota recently let me know about how much time it's taking to go through immigration lately?

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2593149]Can someone who's been to Bogota recently let me know about how much time it's taking to go through immigration lately?[/QUOTE]Can't really answer that question since if depends on a ton of things. How many flights came in right before or at the same time as yours? Where are you sitting in the plane? Are you able to walk fast through the hall and beat everyone else? Can you go to the handicap line? Well that was the arrival immigration. The departure immigration is usually pretty fast.

Flight got in late so I missed my flight to Barranquilla. Booked Santa Fe Hotel for $21. Took Indriver from the airport to downtown. Meet in the parking lot as usual with the ride shares. 20,000 pesos. I have not paid that low in years. I hope it continues to work out.

Got to Santa Fe at midnight. Saw a guy that was obviously American standing against a building and spoke to him. I think it threw him off a bit. We just happened to be from the same city. We ended up hanging out a few minutes in front of the building then grabbing a bite to eat. While we were in my favorite fast food spot we met another guy that said he was from Bogota. He spoke perfect English. Then we met another Colombiano in the same restaurant, but he did not speak any English. It was 12:55 so she had to close the restaurant up. But people were still coming through in the house door next to it that still leads to the restaurant. That is the way we exited.

There were plenty police around and they had the street blocked off with a vehicle. They started walking down the sidewalk en masse. A guy in normal clothes with a walkie talkie stayed on the corner where I was. He said something into the walkie talkie then I asked him what was going on. He said they had to make sure all everything was closing up. I asked what time they had to close and he said 1am.

The guy I met was about to head back to his hotel and I was about to walk around to see what I could see. Just then we met another American guy that said he was looking for the Santa Fe Hotel. He had not gotten his bearings yet so he did not know where it was. First guy hopped in a taxi and I showed the new guy where the hotel was. I walked back to San Francisco. Tonight was the worst that I have ever seen Santa Fe. It was a ghost town. The guy I met said nothing was going on in the clubs either. And it was also the most police that I have ever seen there. Sure there were at least 100. Way more cops than chicks; I can say that with 100% certainty.

P. S. Every person that I met tonight said how cold it was. And this was not even a cold night from my Bogota experience.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2593149]Can someone who's been to Bogota recently let me know about how much time it's taking to go through immigration lately?[/QUOTE]I got out of the airport about 80 minutes after my flight arrived. I don't have a precise breakdown of how much time I spent getting off the plane, waiting in line at immigration, picking up my luggage, and going through customs.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2593189]Can't really answer that question since if depends on a ton of things. How many flights came in right before or at the same time as yours? Where are you sitting in the plane? Are you able to walk fast through the hall and beat everyone else? Can you go to the handicap line? Well that was the arrival immigration. The departure immigration is usually pretty fast.[/QUOTE]The 2 biggest factors are what time of day you arrive, if it's a red eye, not many agents on duty so it will be slow and 2) how many planes landed in front of you. I was pissed one day because we waited for a gate for 10 or 15 minutes or so, in that time 2 big international flights landed and go to imagination right in front of us so we had like 400 people beat us to it. Add in the fact we docked into the last gate in the terminal and as Ed said it was a mile walk to Immigration. So way too many variables to give you an exact answer. I once planed on one of my Fav's to meet me at my hotel, but my flight was late, long lines at immigration, my phone was dead and I arrive 3 hours late for our meet time, ugh! Needless to say she was pissed, waited almost 2 hours in the lobby for me before she left, I paid her the Taxi fare she wasted but was not a happy camper. I never set up a meet at the hotel on arrival day anymore until I get there and call her. So it can be 25/30 minutes or 2 hours, just go with the flow.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2593196]Took Indriver from the airport to downtown. Meet in the parking lot as usual with the ride shares. 20,000 pesos. I have not paid that low in years. I hope it continues to work out.[/QUOTE]Just when I thought it could not get any better, paid Indriver 16,500 from downtown to the airport. I have not seen these kind of prices since my first times in Colombia 16 years ago.

Hi all,

I'm in Bogota and my chica and I will fly to San Andres next week for a few days of relaxation. Do you know what are the covid requirements for flights within the Colombian territories? I'm vaccinated but she is not and if she would be able to fly without a test?

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2593282]Hi all,

I'm in Bogota and my chica and I will fly to San Andres next week for a few days of relaxation. Do you know what are the covid requirements for flights within the Colombian territories? I'm vaccinated but she is not and if she would be able to fly without a test?[/QUOTE]There is no testing requirement for entry into Colombia, or for domestic flights within Colombia.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2593282]Hi all,

I'm in Bogota and my chica and I will fly to San Andres next week for a few days of relaxation. Do you know what are the covid requirements for flights within the Colombian territories? I'm vaccinated but she is not and if she would be able to fly without a test?[/QUOTE]I thought San Andreas may have kept up Covid testing but they have not. Vaccines are now asked about on migracion app, but they are not required.

Your chica can get her first dose of the vaccine at the airport. If you go to the Bogota airport, the first place you come to is International flights for departures. If instead of advancing to the rest of the airport, you turn around, they are doing vaccine in a parking lot a few hundred yards away. It was about a 5 minute walk to there.

I thought that they were only doing Pfizer and Astra Zeneca but they are doing Moderna as well, and that is what my gal got. She is 32 so I think the vaccine is now open to most adults. It would be a good time for her to get vaccinated.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2592813]From my blackmail issue I wanted to give a list of establishments ...

4. Girls 24/7 - legit prices.

+57 311 4474549.

[URL]https://co.mundosexanuncio.com/contactos-lesbianas/mamasitas-cuquita-deliciosa-y-jugosita-60-mil-hora-990131[/URL]

Edificio Gonzales CL 61 #13-44 Chapinero, seems like legit address.

Seems legit and I even messages with one of the chicas directly (under a different pseudonym but same address and same pics).
[/QUOTE]This place is super convenient for me, I just walk 5 min and I'm there.

Ideally you make a specific reservation with the girl you want. If not, you end up getting a sub-optimal selection of whoever is left over.

You enter the hallway from the street, and end up at a locked glass door. The guy or a girl will notice your arrival and ask what you want, say you want chicas. Then they ask if you have a specific room number.

It's quite an interesting setup. I thought it was some Hotel thing where you get your room for an hour and then you select the girl to come to your room, but no, you actually do it in the girl's living quarters, a little studio apartment with windowless bedroom small bathroom with shower and even a kitchen. So they actually live there 24 x7 and are available between 8 am and 4 am.

When I came I didn't have a specific reservation despite having talked with them and one girl directly. They never told me to make an appointment. I had two I wanted to try, in fact, together. But the one was not very clear about her availability. So at first, when I arrived with no clear reservation, I waited about 5 min, while 2 or 3 other dudes went right past me going upstairs with reservation. Then an older over 30 year old a bit heavy woman came down and I went up with her, thinking I would be shown a room and then see the line-up. But she brought me straight to her room. So I said no, no I wanted to see some specific girls, OK I'll come back with a reservation. I went down again and told them this, and they said OK you want X and I said yes, alright just hang in there go up to 4th floor. So I did. There was some type of parade room where I shook hands with a few, all but one I would take a pass on. But since I had a specific pick, they told me to just sit down and wait a moment.

I probably waited for less than 10 min. During that time I got to observe a little how this works. Most of the girls that were in that lineup room already left, except for one who kept standing before me. But I didn't want her. After a while she too took leave, politely even. Another one with lots of tattoos even on her neck, was all naked walking in and out from what looked some community kitchen through that lineup room and into the hallway and back, and she had a horribly loud voice. Ugh.

So then came my pick and smiled and we shook hands and she led me to her room right next door. As usual not really clearly comparable with the pictures but recognizable and actually nice. We had some friendly conversation to break the ice. I said what I wanted, oral al natural in addition. OK. Now interesting was that she thought for a moment what she would charge me extra. Her hour is only 50 kCOP, pretty amazing. So she asked 20 extra. OK, so it was agreed. But I was super pleased to see that she did not even try gesturing let alone asking for the money upfront. A huge plus in my book.

She was really nice, and we hit it off pleasantly. Kissing was decent. I could have taken more, but I didn't quite like her taste (and it is a little busy and somewhat seedy smelling place. Though the smell might also com from the cooking activity which takes place as they live there. I brought a chocolate bar just for this purpose though, so I offered her chocolate which she accepted. So we continued on. Conversing and touching and it was nice flowing. Then she started sucking me decently, and then I said, OK, let's do the condom thing and do some vaginal. And to my pleasant surprise she continued to be really connected the whole time I was in missionary over her, which actually has become my favorite position if I have some connection with the girl. She didn't turn her face away from me, so it was good. Quite intense actually. But then I went back to oral because I hate condoms. She worked me ok, sometimes wanted to stop, but I encouraged her on. And then when I almost came there was a misunderstanding where finishing orally was not clearly agreed. So I said, how much you want then? And usually I hate negotiating money during the act, but the cute thing was she didn't know what to even ask for it. So I said OK, so let's top off your 20 extra to make it 50, I said this is probably not the first time you are doing this. Alright, she agreed. So I held her firm to stop the interruptions and voila, the deed was done while she almost drowned, and before my last drop I let her get to the bathroom and empty it out.

I slowly got dressed when she came back gave her the 100 kCOP reward, and we continued chatting a little. Had a bottle of water with me, which is good because they don't offer you anything there. I emptied out the liter before I came back to my place to be ready to flush my pipe, applied neomycin + bacitracin ointment on the little man including pushing some up the entry of the pipe, just for some preventative maintenance and stay clean for the next one.

I would say this was a very good experience. It kind-a gives me a kick just how cheap it was and the attitude was top. I will be back at that place to try the other one I wanted, and then both of them together, etc. Really good value for money.

I went to Santa Fe around 3 PM. I found a cute girl walking with her friend. She wanted 50 K plus 10 K for the room for 20 minutes. It seemed a little high to me, but I decided to take it anyway. I was in the middle of requesting that if there were any time left over after cumming, that she help me practice my Spanish when she interrupted with "no, no hay nada" and then she and her friend walked off.

So, I kept looking. I found a cute girl who quoted me 40 K, room included. I was about to seal the deal with her when someone else drove up and parked his car in her area. "Is he your client?" I asked in Spanish. She replied yes, so I said, OK, we can do it later.

I found another cute girl who quoted me 35 K, room included. She explained to me that the knock is supposed to come after 15 minutes so you have 5 minutes to get dressed in the 20 minutes allotted. I set a 15 minute timer on my phone and placed it where both the girl and I could see it. She was very energetic in bed and I came close to the end of the 15 minutes.

I spent some time exploring the area, then I went back to the girl who quoted me 40 K. I wasn't able to cum with her in the allotted time, but the girl put in a good effort.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2593557]I went to Santa Fe around 3 PM. I found a cute girl walking with her friend. She wanted 50 K plus 10 K for the room for 20 minutes. It seemed a little high to me, but I decided to take it anyway. I was in the middle of requesting that if there were any time left over after cumming, that she help me practice my Spanish when she interrupted with "no, no hay nada" and then she and her friend walked off.

So, I kept looking. I found a cute girl who quoted me 40 K, room included. I was about to seal the deal with her when someone else drove up and parked his car in her area. "Is he your client?" I asked in Spanish. She replied yes, so I said, OK, we can do it later.[/QUOTE]It does not seem like you are shy, but it seems like you need to be more assertive. No lion is going to be feasting on prey then see a hyena off in the distance with his mouth watering and say well I will just let the hyena deal with this carcass and come back later. You were there first. Fuck that other guy.

Make your deal for 10 minutes of Spanish lessons and 20 minutes of fucking. You don't have to add ifs. Chicks quickly forget about ifs. They remember what you told them has to be done.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2593557]I found another cute girl who quoted me 35 K, room included. She explained to me that the knock is supposed to come after 15 minutes so you have 5 minutes to get dressed in the 20 minutes allotted. I set a 15 minute timer on my phone and placed it where both the girl and I could see it.[/QUOTE]Again, be more assertive. Chick in Tijuana tried that shit with me. I said bich I can get dressed in the hall. I paid for this room to do some fucking in and I plan on using every minute of it for doing just that.

Faulty logic on someone's part if that happened to be the case, because you supposedly paid the girl for 20 minutes of fucking and paid the room for 20 minutes, but you would really only be alloted 15 minutes of fucking the girl if quitting time was supposed to be at the knock. So shame on the person that accepts that BS.

Flight arrived at 11:00. A breeze through passport control. Then the struggle to find an ATM machine that worked and accepted my back card. The ones downstairs do not work (in fact the Servibanca one wound up charging my account 300 USD but not giving me any money. I didn't discover this until the next day when I check my account on line. Now I am battling with these A**holes to refund my money. But that's my history with ATM machines.) so I went upstairs and the second machine worked just fine. Took a taxi to my hotel, nearby. Ten minutes later I'm back in a taxi heading to Santa Fe. Getting out of the taxi, the first thing that hits you is the powerful smell of weed. It's everywhere. I was dropped at the corner of Atunes and went in. Naked girls everywhere. They were pushing their goodies into the faces of eager young men and having a great time. After a while, I decided to move on. Head to Paisas or someplace. But the doorman wouldn't let me leave. "Policia". I told him that I didn't care about cops, they wouldn't do anything to me. He said, No, but they would do something to us. Ok. That made sense. I stood there for about 20 minutes with the guy on a handheld radio to his compadre outside waiting for the "all clear". While waiting, a pretty girl with perfect English but dressed like she knew how to make you her slave came up to me and we chatted about the problem. She seemed to think this was an everyday thing. She said she was raised in the US and was trying to get back there. She must have an interesting story. No accent at all and total young girl America attitude. Anyway, the crowd at the door was growing. The guy finally lets us go. Outside was another guy telling us to hurry. Once outside I understood what was going on. The Covid curfew was now in effect. It must have been 1:00 or something. This is something I had not read before in the forum. The cops parked vans and used police tape to block off a two or three block square. A guy told me that they do this every night. I do not know if they were handing out fines or what. But cops were everywhere. Not really bothering anyone specifically. Just there. Telling people occasionally to move on, but not really trying. With no clubs open, I walked around trying to find Ms. Right. There were many out. I found myself slightly outside the "safe" zone of Santa Fe, trying to get away from the cops. One strange thing was that there were a number of clearly underage girls dressed to the nines, as if they were going to a party or something. At almost two o'clock in the morning, eating street food and giggling amongst themselves. They looked about ten years old. I could not understand what they were doing out. Except maybe they lived in the area and since it was Sat. Night decided to go out. Weird. With the cops swarming, I was getting tired of trying to dodge them, so I picked up a spinner I thought would take me to heaven. Made the JV move of not spelling out first what the terms of our contract would be. Should have known better, but it was getting on 2 AM and I had a flight the next day to MDE, so I crossed my fingers and took a chance. I wound up paying for this as the service was awful. Among the worst I have ever had. She kept saying, Come on. Ten minutes. Well, that is a mood buster if ever there was one. She refused to take off her shoes. Ever try to "do it" with that impediment? I paid too much and got very little in return. As is always the case, after leaving that disappointment back at the love shack, I walked by 2 or 3 who I would have much preferred to spend time with. So, to sum up the experience: I never felt in danger or anything while walking around Santa Fe at 1 or 2 in the morning. Note that the zone is shut down at 1:00 AM, but there are still SW lining the outside streets. Obviously, better to arrive in the evening, but fun can still be had late at night. Taxis are plentiful when its time to make your exit. Next report in the MDE section.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2593722]It does not seem like you are shy, but it seems like you need to be more assertive. No lion is going to be feasting on prey then see a hyena off in the distance with his mouth watering and say well I will just let the hyena deal with this carcass and come back later. You were there first. Fuck that other guy.

Make your deal for 10 minutes of Spanish lessons and 20 minutes of fucking. You don't have to add ifs. Chicks quickly forget about ifs. They remember what you told them has to be done.

Again, be more assertive. Chick in Tijuana tried that shit with me. I said bich I can get dressed in the hall. I paid for this room to do some fucking in and I plan on using every minute of it for doing just that.

Faulty logic on someone's part if that happened to be the case, because you supposedly paid the girl for 20 minutes of fucking and paid the room for 20 minutes, but you would really only be alloted 15 minutes of fucking the girl if quitting time was supposed to be at the knock. So shame on the person that accepts that BS.[/QUOTE]Onthe money mr. E, totally different culture with vennies / rolas as compared to american chicks. No need for the soft ball smooth talking flirting, they like the assertion and are generally a lot more submissive ime.

Trim, tell the girl you want a 30 minute room, you should pay no more than 50 k room included, less if she isnt that hot.

Get in there like an animal, the spanish will come the more sessions you do. They like being fucked and the small talk will be there after the sex, or just chat up girls on the street in between sessions.

Theyre bored as hell standing there and they like conversation, you don't need to mix lessons and fucking my amigo.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2593557]I went to Santa Fe around 3 PM. I found a cute girl walking with her friend. She wanted 50 K plus 10 K for the room for 20 minutes. It seemed a little high to me, but I decided to take it anyway. I was in the middle of requesting that if there were any time left over after cumming, that she help me practice my Spanish when she interrupted with "no, no hay nada" and then she and her friend walked off.

So, I kept looking. I found a cute girl who quoted me 40 K, room included. I was about to seal the deal with her when someone else drove up and parked his car in her area. "Is he your client?" I asked in Spanish. She replied yes, so I said, OK, we can do it later.

I found another cute girl who quoted me 35 K, room included. She explained to me that the knock is supposed to come after 15 minutes so you have 5 minutes to get dressed in the 20 minutes allotted. I set a 15 minute timer on my phone and placed it where both the girl and I could see it. She was very energetic in bed and I came close to the end of the 15 minutes.

I spent some time exploring the area, then I went back to the girl who quoted me 40 K. I wasn't able to cum with her in the allotted time, but the girl put in a good effort.[/QUOTE]Not here to grill you but you got to her first, you don't have to give your place to someone else, unless you're not into her.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2593722]Make your deal for 10 minutes of Spanish lessons and 20 minutes of fucking.[/QUOTE]I get Spanish lessons for free with my language partners, but I wanted to suggest something to do in the remaining time if I climaxed early (which turns out not to be a problem). Also, I wanted to get some sense of what the girl was like by talking with her, and maybe the girl did me a favor by interrupting me and then walking off. If that's the way she is, I'd rather know before paying.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2593722]Again, be more assertive. Chick in Tijuana tried that shit with me. I said bich I can get dressed in the hall. I paid for this room to do some fucking in and I plan on using every minute of it for doing just that.

Faulty logic on someone's part if that happened to be the case, because you supposedly paid the girl for 20 minutes of fucking and paid the room for 20 minutes, but you would really only be alloted 15 minutes of fucking the girl if quitting time was supposed to be at the knock. So shame on the person that accepts that BS.[/QUOTE]She explained that it was really for 15 minutes before I paid her, so that was the deal we negotiated and she held up her end of it. If I had paid her with the understanding that we were supposed to have sex for 20 minutes, and then we only had sex for 15 minutes, then, yeah, I shouldn't have accepted that (though, what kind of recourse would you have? But I went in with the understanding that we would have sex for 15 minutes and that's what I got.

I suppose I could have tried to negotiate for 20 minutes of sex, but maybe she would have adjusted her price. The other girl I had sex with in Santa Fe gave me the same deal. If I had demanded 20 minutes after agreeing to 15, I would have been in the wrong. Is 35 mil for 20 full minutes of sex normal pricing in Santa Fe? What have you been able to negotiate in Santa Fe?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2593722]You were there first. Fuck that other guy.[/QUOTE]I think I should explain a little more. This was my first time in Santa Fe, so I was kind of unsure about how things worked (I had a general idea from reading this forum, but was unsure about the details) and wanted to bail at the first sign of trouble or lack of enthusiasm on the girl's part. I spent some time talking with her about the details. In particular, I wanted to clarify the early knock at the door thing that several people complained about in this forum. I wrote down what we agreed upon with a pen and then when I looked up she was talking to the driver of the car that pulling up. That's when I asked, "Es tu cliente?

Also, I didn't have a very strong preference since there were other girls available with similar level of attractiveness. The other girl I went to turned out to be better in bed and slightly cheaper.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2593722]It does not seem like you are shy, but it seems like you need to be more assertive. No lion is going to be feasting on prey then see a hyena off in the distance with his mouth watering and say well I will just let the hyena deal with this carcass and come back later. You were there first. Fuck that other guy.[/QUOTE]If we think of ourselves as lions hunting prey, sure, what I did doesn't make sense. But keep in mind that we are paying the girls and much of our bargaining power resides in our willingness to walk away. We are customers. If I had already paid, I would have insisted that we complete the deal. But I hadn't paid, nor had I entered the room, and she seemed more interested in dealing with the other guy, so I just walked away and found someone else who turned out to be better and cheaper (I was able to compare how well they performed because I came back and got her when she was not as busy). From the girl's perspective, if she frequently has more than one man interested in her at the same time, she should raise her prices. I try to avoid showing any particular girl that I see her a "must-have" and that I need to insist.

Again, this was my first time in Santa Fe, so I knew I was not in a strong bargaining position. But I can talk with the girls in Spanish and I can walk away, and I think things went pretty well for me considering that it was my first time. After finding decent-looking girls quoting me 35 K - 40 K for 15 minutes, I found it easier to walk away from girls quoting me 50 K. But I'm sure there is room for improvement and I'm here to learn. I am intrigued by JohnnyWalker55's suggestion that I should be able to get a girl with a 30 minute room for 50 K, room included.

Where is a good place to take a leak in Santa Fe? Do you do it in the bathroom attached to the room after the session? I try to leave as quickly as possible after the knock comes. Should I buy some food at one of the restaurants in the area and use their bathroom?

[QUOTE=Trim1;2594199]Where is a good place to take a leak in Santa Fe? Do you do it in the bathroom attached to the room after the session? I try to leave as quickly as possible after the knock comes. Should I buy some food at one of the restaurants in the area and use their bathroom?[/QUOTE]Alaska Bakery on CL 23 or the Shwarma place.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2593722]It does not seem like you are shy, but it seems like you need to be more assertive. No lion is going to be feasting on prey then see a hyena off in the distance with his mouth watering and say well I will just let the hyena deal with this carcass and come back later. You were there first. Fuck that other guy.[/QUOTE]What are you saying Mr. E?

The girl quotes the price, you haven't agreed yet.

Then another guy shows up and wants to take her. She doesn't seem to object.

I mean, he asked if the guy was her client, she said yes. She didn't say, no I'll go with you.

What's your play then? No, fuck this guy, I was here first, let's go?

And if she says no (and she probably would), then what?

Why stir some shit to fuck a hooker you're not even that interested in?

I don't know, I'd just laugh and walk away. And find someone else in 5-10 minutes.

It's a game to me, not a battle, LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2592575]Never accept the rate. You decline that and it automatically gives you the interbank exchange rate. You must have hit cancel or something, otherwise it goes through normally. I think all the rates are the same, except when they offer you a rate it means they are trying to rip you off.[/QUOTE]This is close.

What actually happens is that if you decline the conversion the ATM offers you (which is always a ripoff), then the currency will be converted at the rate your bank gives you.

Which is why a Schwab card is so good. They will give you the best rate out of anywhere.

Other banks will usually give you a rate 3% or so off, but YMMV.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2594452]What actually happens is that if you decline the conversion the ATM offers you (which is always a ripoff), then the currency will be converted at the rate your bank gives you.[/QUOTE]Not actually. No single bank sets the rate. I wouldn't trust some of the banks. The system (interbank or whatever you call it) sets the rate.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2594452]Which is why a Schwab card is so good. They will give you the best rate out of anywhere.[/QUOTE]Technically correct. Schwab is good because it gives you a rebate on the ATM fees. It is the best rate because all the rates are the same. I've tested multiple ATMs in multiple countries in multiple cities over the years. All the ATMs gives you virtually the same rate (minus the ATM fees, and if you don't accept the rip-off conversion).

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2594452]Other banks will usually give you a rate 3% or so off, but YMMV.[/QUOTE]Only rip-off banks will charge you 3%. That is the foreign exchange fee that numerous banks charge. Always READ the fine print.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2594493]Not actually. No single bank sets the rate. I wouldn't trust some of the banks. The system (interbank or whatever you call it) sets the rate.

Technically correct. Schwab is good because it gives you a rebate on the ATM fees. It is the best rate because all the rates are the same. I've tested multiple ATMs in multiple countries in multiple cities over the years. All the ATMs gives you virtually the same rate (minus the ATM fees, and if you don't accept the rip-off conversion).

Only rip-off banks will charge you 3%. That is the foreign exchange fee that numerous banks charge. Always READ the fine print.[/QUOTE]Are you sure? I have been twice at Davivienda ATM and every time they were telling me something about 7% fees. It looked scary. I took it anyway. I don't know if they make it sound more scary than it is.

Also, even with my Schwab ATM card, I am not entirely sure they do the fee rebate if the fee comes rolled into a bad exchange rate.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2594702]Are you sure? I have been twice at Davivienda ATM and every time they were telling me something about 7% fees. It looked scary. I took it anyway. I don't know if they make it sound more scary than it is.

Also, even with my Schwab ATM card, I am not entirely sure they do the fee rebate if the fee comes rolled into a bad exchange rate.[/QUOTE]How could you not be sure? You simply look at your account at the end of the month.

So I was at my new favorite place again with two of the girls inviting me. I went with the one with the sweet voice. And while being totally ready to meet once again the real person being 2 points below the picture person, there I find a sweet 19 year old Venezolana with a baby face that's different from the picture but so much better, and I'm like "oh shit", I'm falling in love. So the encounter took a turn it wasn't supposed to, with me caring about her. Now Saturday we'll go out to the movies. It's hard being just a client when emotions get in the way. But I love it. I really enjoy my bachelor time in Bogota. Dating, jumped into a GF relationship in the first few weeks, then ended it because it wasn't all that and there was just more to sample. And I thought to just go to pros and otherwise save time (and money) and now I'm taking a pro girl out. Like a save-a-ho simp. Haha. But it's fun. I am playing with this like role-play, doing what feels good, and I'm not taking it all too serious. Now I don't have enough time for work with all these sweet diversions.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2594395]It's a game to me, not a battle, LOL.[/QUOTE]I should have challenged the other guy to a duel.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2594704]How could you not be sure? You simply look at your account at the end of the month.[/QUOTE]The uncertainty comes from the fact that the ATM rebate is rolled up at the end of the month, and I had 2 ATM withdrawals last month, one from the airport ATM and another from Davivienda. My rebate isn't even 4 USD. I think the Davivienda may not have declared it's fees as fees but as a knock off the exchange rate. The other problem is to know what the exchange rate was at the time and really figure it out. But I don't think I will use Davivienda again because it seems like a rip-off and it might be, especially now that I checked my statement.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2594709]The uncertainty comes from the fact that the ATM rebate is rolled up at the end of the month, and I had 2 ATM withdrawals last month, one from the airport ATM and another from Davivienda. My rebate isn't even 4 USD. I think the Davivienda may not have declared it's fees as fees but as a knock off the exchange rate. The other problem is to know what the exchange rate was at the time and really figure it out. But I don't think I will use Davivienda again because it seems like a rip-off and it might be, especially now that I checked my statement.[/QUOTE]Dude it is simple. When you get the slip from the machine you look to see how much came out of your account. Divide the 2 to find the exchange rate you got. The machine charges 13,000 pesos. At the rate now that is $3. 35. If it does not mention fees, then it does not charge fees. You can always call Schwab to find out the individual rebates. Davivienda never ripped me off. You are making brain surgery out of it.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2594493]Not actually. No single bank sets the rate. I wouldn't trust some of the banks. The system (interbank or whatever you call it) sets the rate.

Technically correct. Schwab is good because it gives you a rebate on the ATM fees. It is the best rate because all the rates are the same. I've tested multiple ATMs in multiple countries in multiple cities over the years. All the ATMs gives you virtually the same rate (minus the ATM fees, and if you don't accept the rip-off conversion).

Only rip-off banks will charge you 3%. That is the foreign exchange fee that numerous banks charge. Always READ the fine print.[/QUOTE]And I assume you are talking about your home bank. All the Canadian ones charge either 2. 5 or 3. 5 percent for currency exchange. They call it their bank exchange rate, but it is the mid market rate less their 2. 5 or 3. 5 percent.

Don't know about US banks. People swear that Shwab doesn't have this sort of exchange rate. I don't know, and it is not relevant to me as Swab does not offer these brokerage accounts outside the US.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2594493]Not actually. No single bank sets the rate. I wouldn't trust some of the banks. The system (interbank or whatever you call it) sets the rate.

Technically correct. Schwab is good because it gives you a rebate on the ATM fees. It is the best rate because all the rates are the same. I've tested multiple ATMs in multiple countries in multiple cities over the years. All the ATMs gives you virtually the same rate (minus the ATM fees, and if you don't accept the rip-off conversion).

Only rip-off banks will charge you 3%. That is the foreign exchange fee that numerous banks charge. Always READ the fine print.[/QUOTE]Is there an american bank that doesn't charge the 3% on ATM cards? It was my impression that this was a standard fee for all banks.

I mostly use Chase, I'm not a big fan of Mr Diamond, I've used them many yrs, but its time for a divorce, I've seen enough of that scumbag!

I had two bad experiences in Santa Fe just recently. I have also had good experiences in Santa FE, but I want to write about the bad experiences as a warning to others.

I found a Venezuelan named Valeria near the northwest corner of Calle 23 and Carrera 15. She quoted me 40 K for 20 minutes. I asked her if it was OK for me to rub baby oil on her body, and she accepted. I showed her the baby oil while we were outside. However, when I pulled out the baby oil in the room, she wanted 10 K extra. I said I had asked her about this beforehand, and she told me that she hadn't understood me earlier. Which I don't believe. So I wiped off the baby oil on my own body and asked if it was OK to touch her. She still insisted on a tip. This was a mood-killer and we spent more time arguing. 10 K COP is not a lot of money, but I figured that I had enough information at that point to know that I should stop giving her money and look for someone else.

Still angry after the experience, I walked around debating with myself whether I should just go back to my hotel or try again with someone else. A slightly chubby Venezuelan named Katerin at the southeast corner of Calle 24 and Carrera 16 called out to me. She told me 40 K for 30 minutes, which surprised me and seemed like it might be too good to be true. I asked her how many minutes for sex and how many minutes for getting dressed. She said 30 minutes for sex. However, the knock came after 11 minutes. My timer showed 19 minutes remaining. She claimed that it was saying that 19 minutes had passed and I explained that the timer started at 30 and the numbers were dropping towards zero. She asked me if I wanted to pay for another rato, but I said we had agreed on 30 minutes and she wasn't upholding her end of the deal. I said she lied to me when she told me 30 minutes outside. But there's not much recourse in situations like this. What am I going to do, go to the police? I can warn other people, though "Valeria" and "Katerin" can easily change the names they use in Santa Fe and their locations. And, of course, I can avoid them in the future.

Of course, 40 K COP is only about 10 dollars. I know I'm getting worked up over tiny amounts of money. I hate being lied to, even if the amount of money at stake is small. But I guess it would be unrealistic to expect every session to be good. Still, I feel like I made a mistake or several mistakes somewhere. Any suggestions?

I just realized that I should write down the start time and use my phone as a clock rather than a timer in order to avoid the issue I had with Katerin misinterpreting the number, though I think she was still going to stop after 11 minutes in any case.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2594781]And I assume you are talking about your home bank. [/QUOTE]Yes, USA banks.

Hi,

In Santa Fe, how dangerous is walking alone during the day and at night?

I will always walk alone.

Thanks for the news.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2594493]Not actually. No single bank sets the rate. I wouldn't trust some of the banks. The system (interbank or whatever you call it) sets the rate.

Technically correct. Schwab is good because it gives you a rebate on the ATM fees. It is the best rate because all the rates are the same. I've tested multiple ATMs in multiple countries in multiple cities over the years. All the ATMs gives you virtually the same rate (minus the ATM fees, and if you don't accept the rip-off conversion).

Only rip-off banks will charge you 3%. That is the foreign exchange fee that numerous banks charge. Always READ the fine print.[/QUOTE]There is so much misinformation spread around by people who to my incredible surprise are able to actually operate an ATM (cajero).

Here are the facts:

1. The bank doesn't set the rate. Not your bank and not the foreign bank either. Visa establishes the exchange rate around midnight for the next day. That rate is what you will get. (Unless you accept the "Bank conversion rate" or some such similar named item.

2. Your bank back home may charge you fees. The bank you are getting your money from may charge you fees. This is why you get a Schwab card. They don't charge fees for withdrawals AND they reimburse you for any fees the foreign bank charges. Those charges are always stated. BanColombia will charge you a 20 mil fee for using their ATM. BBVA, Davienda, Colpatria and Banc Pinchinata don't charge a fee.

3. The foreign bank doesn't dink you on the exchange rate. Visa sets the rate you will get the same rate at which ever bank you use unless they charge a fee (which will be explicitly defined).

In summary, everything GreenBud said is exactly correct.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2594855]I had two bad experiences in Santa Fe just recently. I have also had good experiences in Santa FE, but I want to write about the bad experiences as a warning to others.

I found a Venezuelan named Valeria near the northwest corner of Calle 23 and Carrera 15. She quoted me 40 K for 20 minutes. I asked her if it was OK for me to rub baby oil on her body, and she accepted. I showed her the baby oil while we were outside. However, when I pulled out the baby oil in the room, she wanted 10 K extra. I said I had asked her about this beforehand, and she told me that she hadn't understood me earlier. Which I don't believe. So I wiped off the baby oil on my own body and asked if it was OK to touch her. She still insisted on a tip. This was a mood-killer and we spent more time arguing. 10 K COP is not a lot of money, but I figured that I had enough information at that point to know that I should stop giving her money and look for someone else.[/QUOTE]The biggest mistake I see, in my opinion, is not going back to your hotel after the first session. You were already in a negative frame of mind, which made you more likely to react to another negative experience.

I don't know how well you speak Spanish, but if you have special requests, like the baby oil, you might want to learn a detailed sales pitch, so you can be absolutely certain everything is understood before heading to the room.

If it was me, I would expect an added charge for any uncommon request. First, it's obviously somewhat important to you, otherwise you wouldn't be carrying around a bottle of baby oil. If it's important to you, she has some leverage. Second, does your request require more time, effort or risk on her part? If so, it's reasonable she would want extra. Whether you put baby oil on her, or on yourself, it's still going to end up on her. She'll need to spend at least a few extra seconds washing it off. Then there's the problem with baby oil on the sheets, towels, maybe on her clothes, or in her hair.

If you had taken that into consideration and expected to pay a bit extra you could have had a good session and avoided the second frustrating encounter.

The second session I can't help much with. Whoever runs the short time rooms probably sets the time. The quicker they get you out, the more money they make. Perhaps, in the future, talk to the person at the desk before going to the room and clarify with them how long you will have.

Another of my opinions is that telling a working girl she lied won't ever be helpful. I've been down that road before. The best you can do is just walk away and go get yourself in a better frame of mind.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2594938]Hi,

In Santa Fe, how dangerous is walking alone during the day and at night?

I will always walk alone.

Thanks for the news.[/QUOTE]Much of the answer depends on you. If you're walking around looking completely lost, or gawking at everything, like it's your first time in a city, you're a more obvious target. If you have your nose buried in your phone, trying to figure out where you are, you're a more obvious target.

Daytime, if you're paying attention and walking with purpose, you should be fine. Stick to the streets where the people are. Same thing at night. Don't stray into the empty streets and be aware of your surroundings.

[QUOTE=Yossarian;2587372]Suggest you directly contact the owner of the apartment through the AirBnB website and ask directly if he / his building is "guest-friendly". The apartment in which I stay in Chapinero is chica-friendly; but, they do need to have a government-issued ID and present it to security at the front desk (yes, even when I am escorting them in) to be entered into the visitor's log before being granted access to the building.[/QUOTE]Any chance of disclosing the name of the apartment and link to booking info please?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2594793]Is there an american bank that doesn't charge the 3% on ATM cards? It was my impression that this was a standard fee for all banks.

I mostly use Chase, I'm not a big fan of Mr Diamond, I've used them many yrs, but its time for a divorce, I've seen enough of that scumbag![/QUOTE]Most big banks charge a 3% fee. In the meantime, smaller banks and credit unions charge 1% or sometimes even reimburse you for local ATM fees. As has been said zillion times before, Schwab not only that doesn't charge the fee but reimburses you for the local ATM fees. Then there are online banks like Cap One 360 with no fees, but it won't reimburse. There is also Aspiration that does reimburse, but still charges 1%. There are options out there.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2594938]Hi,

In Santa Fe, how dangerous is walking alone during the day and at night?

I will always walk alone.

Thanks for the news.[/QUOTE]No one in my novias family goes anywhere alone, always with her mother and brother, and never at night. I know of so many nightmare experiences from friends and It can happen anywhere at any time. The best way to ruin a trip is getting mugged, beat up or worse. Take an Uber or taxi it's not that expensive and it will be the best 7000 pesos you ever spent.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2595008]The biggest mistake I see, in my opinion, is not going back to your hotel after the first session. You were already in a negative frame of mind, which made you more likely to react to another negative experience.

I don't know how well you speak Spanish, but if you have special requests, like the baby oil, you might want to learn a detailed sales pitch, so you can be absolutely certain everything is understood before heading to the room.

If it was me, I would expect an added charge for any uncommon request. First, it's obviously somewhat important to you, otherwise you wouldn't be carrying around a bottle of baby oil. If it's important to you, she has some leverage. Second, does your request require more time, effort or risk on her part? If so, it's reasonable she would want extra. Whether you put baby oil on her, or on yourself, it's still going to end up on her. She'll need to spend at least a few extra seconds washing it off. Then there's the problem with baby oil on the sheets, towels, maybe on her clothes, or in her hair.

If you had taken that into consideration and expected to pay a bit extra you could have had a good session and avoided the second frustrating encounter.

The second session I can't help much with. Whoever runs the short time rooms probably sets the time. The quicker they get you out, the more money they make. Perhaps, in the future, talk to the person at the desk before going to the room and clarify with them how long you will have.

Another of my opinions is that telling a working girl she lied won't ever be helpful. I've been down that road before. The best you can do is just walk away and go get yourself in a better frame of mind.[/QUOTE]I also had a bad session with a Colombian last night. Most sessions with the rare Colombians have been pretty good, but I ran into a bad apple at Troya. She wanted 100 K COP and I countered with 80 and she agreed. Of course she never gave me the 20 K change. Then 1 minute into the session, she was asking me to extend the session to 1 hour, which of course I declined. Two minutes into it she said I could touch her pussy for 20 K extra and offered BBJ for another 20 K extra. Not even sure if she was going to do it even if I tipped her. We discussed what she would be willing to do before going up but she flat out lied. After about 5 minutes of attempted upselling I just wasn't in the mood, and called it quits. So 100 K COP for 5 minutes of listening to upsell pitches, jajaja. The good thing is that with the exchange rate as it is, 100 K COP is about $25, so not a huge loss.

On the upside, I later pulled another tall thin Columbiana from Fiebres who spoke pretty good English and had probably the best and most freakiest session of my life. After the first 20 minutes, I had no problem paying another 100 K COP for another 25 minutes. I had my fingers inside all three holes and her tongue deep down my throat, among other positions. She even allowed me to give her ATM with my fingers, jajaja. I almost felt like she was enjoying it too, but probably just deceiving myself. Don't expect this kind of service from every girl as this type of girl is rare. With tip I paid 250 K COP, but would have had no problem paying twice or three times that.

I've heard someone mention that mongering is a contact sport. Things are going to happen, just learn from them and move on without making a big deal of it. It's hit and miss with these girls, but the ones that provide bad service don't get repeat business from me.

I will say Fiebres and Troya are back up to pre-pandemic levels with quality of girls as there were about 10 girls that I'd classify as 8 or above in Fiebres. The amount of guys there is a bit less as I could always find a seat if I wanted to, which is a good thing from my perspective. Pre-pandemic Fiebres was standing room only almost every night. The cops come every night now around 1 AM and they clear the streets and force people either into a club, or to the side streets. I still haven't figured out the purpose of this, just seems stupid. They came into Troya and starting asking people to give them their phone numbers, not sure what that was about.

Went to Lidos and Mezzine in the north a couple days ago and plan to write a report later, but just wanted to mention that you can pretty much get the same thing as Lidos in Santa Fe for 1/10 the price. No reason to go to the North clubs.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2595050]No one in my novias family goes anywhere alone, always with her mother and brother, and never at night. I know of so many nightmare experiences from friends and It can happen anywhere at any time. The best way to ruin a trip is getting mugged, beat up or worse. Take an Uber or taxi it's not that expensive and it will be the best 7000 pesos you ever spent.[/QUOTE]I've been walking around Santa Fe at night for years and nothing has happened to me yet. But it could just be dumb luck that's about to run out. A lot of cab drivers warn me not to go there because they say it's extremely dangerous. I'm just prepared if I get mugged and losing the $150 US I have on my isn't a big deal, since I keep my credit cards in the hotel safe and have hidden money on me to get a cab ride back to the hotel if necessary.

I haven't really noticed an increase is danger in the Santa Fe area, but I have noticed a large increase in unemployed people in the city. There are dozens of shoe shine guys in rich el retiro area, where previously I would only see a few. You're constantly being harassed by people trying to sell you things like watches and belts. In Santa Fe, the touts have become more aggressive trying to pull you into their clubs, where they will follow you and try to get you to immediately buy a drink to get their cut. But I just leave if I don't say anything I like and tell them maybe later.

Every club has it's pros and cons. In Faces Dos in Medellin, the girls stripping on stage will come and ask you for a tip every ten minutes. This is annoying enough that it often pushes me to other clubs to avoid this harassment. In Santa Fe it's the touts that are the constant harassment you can't avoid. And each club has like 3 of these guys. The only club that doesn't have touts is Fiebres, since everyone knows it's the place to go and they don't need them.

A little off topic from the original post, but one thing I thing I've learned from these one week trips is that I should probably visit multiple cities instead of staying in one place all week.

Going to same clubs every night and pulling lots of girls each night just gives a creepy rich American vibe, although the girls will always be willing to accept your dinero. I've pulled 3 girls from Fiebres on the same night before, one after the other, since the girls there are just so hot and it's just so cheap (for a gringo). But you'll get looks from the staff that assigns the rooms that say, oh not you again. There is also jealousy among the wait staff since they probably can't afford one girl a month, let alone several per night, although some of them probably get it for free.

Santa Fe is really the best bang for your buck, and I just can't stand the bait and switch and flakiness of the online escorts, so I'll keep coming here. Flights between cities in Colombia are cheap, so next trip I'll probably visit multiple cities including Bogota, Medellin, and Cartagena. Cali and Santa Marta are on the to do list.

Hi guys,

Looking for the nicest guest friendly places to stay while in Bogotá and Medellin. I've been.

To both a few times definitely want to hit up Santa Fe for troya, paisas and my favourite fiebre. What is the current situation are clubs closing early still and doors closed sneaking you in?

In September I will be in Colombia.

I have thought many times whether to stay in Bogota for a few days or in another city. I had thought of renting an apartment in Santa Fe, but reading your posts I'm afraid I will have a big and resounding disappointment. I DON'T like PROs. I gladly accept the semi-pros, but only the ones that give girlfriendly experiences, but not for 15 minutes or 30 minutes. At least I would like to spend at least 2 hours with her and if I like her I will call her again the next days.

It seems to me that everyone is pro in Santa Fe. You all always talk about bargaining and about money before fucking. This would be my killer, my horror.

My question is:

But is it easy or hard to find sweet semi pro girls who give girlfriendly experiences in Santa Fe? This is important for me.

If you tell me that Santa Fe is a den of pros, I won't even set foot there and go to another city.

Can you explain to me better what I am getting into in Santa Fe. I speak fluent Spanish and a few years ago I went to Medellin. Beautiful city of eternal spring, but the girls I met were tired. Uffffff.

Anyone who is an expert on Colombia, can you give me some advice where to go without spending high bucks?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2595099]In September I will be in Colombia.

I have thought many times whether to stay in Bogota for a few days or in another city. I had thought of renting an apartment in Santa Fe, but reading your posts I'm afraid I will have a big and resounding disappointment. I DON'T like PROs. I gladly accept the semi-pros, but only the ones that give girlfriendly experiences, but not for 15 minutes or 30 minutes. At least I would like to spend at least 2 hours with her and if I like her I will call her again the next days.

It seems to me that everyone is pro in Santa Fe. You all always talk about bargaining and about money before fucking. This would be my killer, my horror.

My question is:

But is it easy or hard to find sweet semi pro girls who give girlfriendly experiences in Santa Fe? This is important for me.

If you tell me that Santa Fe is a den of pros, I won't even set foot there and go to another city..[/QUOTE]Santa Fe in Bogota and El Centro in Medellin are going to be similar, other than the weather. Others have said they have found what you're looking for in those places. They've also said it takes time and there are going to be disappointments.

The girls working there are pros. I'm always a bit confused about what someone means when they talk about semi-pros. It's like being semi-pregnant. Either she accepts money for sex, or she doesn't.

I have heard the explanation that semi-pros are just part-time pros, or they're pros who work another job. If that's the definition you use, you can go anywhere in Bogota or Medellin and try your luck. You should be able to find some in the stores that sell cheap clothes, cheap perfume or even cheap meals. Just chat them up, tell them you're looking for a companion and see who bites.

In Medellin I use Facebook to find what you're looking for. I don't consider them to be semi-pros, but the typical experience for me is what you described. Prices run from 150 k-250 k or more, but most I've found will hang around for an hour or two.

You will want to discuss a price beforehand. If not you're likely to have problems.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2595099]In September I will be in Colombia.

I have thought many times whether to stay in Bogota for a few days or in another city. I had thought of renting an apartment in Santa Fe, but reading your posts I'm afraid I will have a big and resounding disappointment. I DON'T like PROs. I gladly accept the semi-pros, but only the ones that give girlfriendly experiences, but not for 15 minutes or 30 minutes. At least I would like to spend at least 2 hours with her and if I like her I will call her again the next days.

It seems to me that everyone is pro in Santa Fe. You all always talk about bargaining and about money before fucking. This would be my killer, my horror.

My question is:

But is it easy or hard to find sweet semi pro girls who give girlfriendly experiences in Santa Fe? This is important for me.

If you tell me that Santa Fe is a den of pros, I won't even set foot there and go to another city.

Can you explain to me better what I am getting into in Santa Fe. I speak fluent Spanish and a few years ago I went to Medellin. Beautiful city of eternal spring, but the girls I met were tired. Uffffff.

Anyone who is an expert on Colombia, can you give me some advice where to go without spending high bucks?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Then stay in Chapinero. Semi-pro?

Not sure exactly how "girlfriend" like you're looking for. But maybe try the sites like [URL]Skokka.com[/URL] and [URL]Mileroticos.com[/URL]. They're still mostly pros but maybe cleaner than streetwalkers.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2595099]But is it easy or hard to find sweet semi pro girls who give girlfriendly experiences in Santa Fe? This is important for me.

If you tell me that Santa Fe is a den of pros, I won't even set foot there and go to another city..[/QUOTE]Possible? Yes but finding the gem in the rough in a place like SF requires times and effort which is difficult for guys who come into town for a few days to a week.

My taste has always been for the sweet semi pro chicas with GFE and when I find them I hang onto them. I have a few here in Medellin where I live and they blow away any 98% of the girls.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2595099]In September I will be in Colombia.

I have thought many times whether to stay in Bogota for a few days or in another city. I had thought of renting an apartment in Santa Fe, but reading your posts I'm afraid I will have a big and resounding disappointment. I DON'T like PROs. I gladly accept the semi-pros, but only the ones that give girlfriendly experiences, but not for 15 minutes or 30 minutes. At least I would like to spend at least 2 hours with her and if I like her I will call her again the next days.

It seems to me that everyone is pro in Santa Fe. You all always talk about bargaining and about money before fucking. This would be my killer, my horror.

My question is:

But is it easy or hard to find sweet semi pro girls who give girlfriendly experiences in Santa Fe? This is important for me.

If you tell me that Santa Fe is a den of pros, I won't even set foot there and go to another city.

Can you explain to me better what I am getting into in Santa Fe. I speak fluent Spanish and a few years ago I went to Medellin. Beautiful city of eternal spring, but the girls I met were tired. Uffffff.

Anyone who is an expert on Colombia, can you give me some advice where to go without spending high bucks?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]The part of Santa Fe that people talk about here is an area that is designated as a zone of tolerance for prostitution. It is not a residential area. And any woman there is there for sex for money. So by definition professionals.

But there is a lot more to Bogota than that. Not far away there are some very nice areas, apartments, hotels. As for finding non-pros. Good luck.

"Going to same clubs every night and pulling lots of girls each night just gives a creepy rich American vibe, although the girls will always be willing to accept your dinero. I've pulled 3 girls from Fiebres on the same night before, one after the other, since the girls there are just so hot and it's just so cheap (for a gringo). But you'll get looks from the staff that assigns the rooms that say, oh not you again. There is also jealousy among the wait staff since they probably can't afford one girl a month, let alone several per night, although some of them probably get it for free. ".

Man I understand your feeling on this. I brought a chica back to my hotel in La 70 Medellin one night and male staff mocked my "Hola" quite loudly really pissed me off. Yeah it is jealousy. I like to session once with a chica and try and get her contact info. to come back to my hotel or apartmento where there aren't so many eyes on me and in a closed in space. I'm going to Tijuana Hong Kong over LDW and they don't give a shit how many chicas you do.

Is Lavanderia Por Kilos (Calle 22 # 16-63) a good place to do laundry?

[QUOTE=ArmnHammer69;2595098]Hi guys,

Looking for the nicest guest friendly places to stay while in Bogot and Medellin. I've been.

To both a few times definitely want to hit up Santa Fe for troya, paisas and my favourite fiebre. What is the current situation are clubs closing early still and doors closed sneaking you in?[/QUOTE]The clubs like Fiebres are open from 6:00 PM to 2:30 AM. Every night for the last couple few nights the police have come at 1 AM and cleared out and blocked off the streets where the clubs are. Fiebres has outdoor cameras and screens where you can observe the streets. The streets outside the clubs are completely empty after the cops have cleared them out. So you get trapped inside the club. For the past week, the clubs would watch for when the coast was clear and let a few people leave at a time. However, no one was allowed to leave Fiebres and we were all stuck there until 4 AM. It sucked. So I would suggest visiting the clubs and leaving when the police arrive. Or go ahead and stay if you don't mind being there until 4 AM.

If anyone has any idea why the police are doing this please let us know. I've tried asking my self but haven't got any good answers, or maybe I just didn't understand. If I had to guess, I would think it has something to do with a covid lockdown.

Friends, first of all, thank you for your help.

I must say that Colombia is disappointing me a lot. I am used to Africa where the girls are just plain gorgeous. I am talking about their character because the black of their skin can like it or it cannot like it.

They are kind, sweet and helpful and affectionate. They do everything without asking for anything in return, even if they expect help, but without asking. Then you are the one who gives something to these poor girls.

You tell me there are only prostitutes in Santa Fe? I would say not only in Santa Fe but in every corner of Colombia. You can't talk to a girl without her asking for money.

I talked to about 200 girls on social networks and they all wanted money. A lot of money. As soon as they ask for money, I cut off the communication. Now I don't talk to anyone anymore. I run the risk of being left alone in Colombia.

It is horrible, really horrible. Thinking if a girl touches her tits she wants money, and if you touch her pussy she wants more money.

Maybe it will be that I'm old and I can't stand these things anymore.

Who is the semi-pro? Quickly said: a girl who is doing university and sometimes to pay for her studies or to have fun, has to sell her body. I met students of Medecina and Economics. Smart and affectionate girls. When you are with these girls you love them. I like to fall in love. They are sweet and loving. Nothing to do with the pros who only do that job, they treat you badly and where inside their pussy there is maybe shit.

Two guys also asked me for money on Badoo, when I asked for information about a city. Only a very nice girl refused to meet me and she wanted to be my friend but she didn't ask me for money.

Is Colombia this? It is truly ugly in relationships between people, it is beautiful only in places.

By now I have bought a ticket for Colombia but I am already sorry because I do not know where to go.

[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2595499]But you'll get looks from the staff that assigns the rooms that say, oh not you again. There is also jealousy among the wait staff[/QUOTE]This is really ethnocentric of you. I have never experienced this anywhere in the world; people turning their nose up at you because you are a returning customer? Have you ever worked anywhere and been jealous of your customers? Come on man. Seems like it is just your imagination trying to make you think you are better than they are.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2595099]You all always talk about bargaining and about money before fucking. This would be my killer, my horror.[/QUOTE]No need for you to come to Colombia if you think you are going to find a chick that fucks for money without discussing the money first. And if she does not, then that is the quickest way to get yourself into a bunch of trouble. Maybe you did not hear about the Secret Service deal in Cartagena some years back. You better be straight on the money issue before you do any fucking or it could really turn out to be your killer, your horror.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2595434]The part of Santa Fe that people talk about here is an area that is designated as a zone of tolerance for prostitution. It is not a residential area. And any woman there is there for sex for money.[/QUOTE]This is not true. There are salons, stores, and restaurants in Santa Fe. There are also chicks there with their boyfriends. To say that every woman there is a hooker is ridiculous. Even today me and another board member were in the SW area of Chapinero. Chicks were trying to get us to choose a chick. I told them how I liked a certain chick that was actually with a hooker (they looked like sisters) and they told me that the one I liked was not a hooker.

[QUOTE=Blade2001;2595075]The cops come every night now around 1 AM and they clear the streets and force people either into a club, or to the side streets. I still haven't figured out the purpose of this, just seems stupid. [/QUOTE]Just trust the experts! They're keeping us safe / saving lives!

Jajaja just kidding! It's all just "safety theater". I've seen more non-sensical, illogical safety rituals than I can count in the past year.

It's just a natural human response to a threat we can't possibly control.

We create rituals. If less people get sick next week, then "hey, that ritual clearly worked!

If more people get sick next week, then it's "hey, too many selfish individuals didn't participate in our ritual last week, that's why it didn't work!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2595656]Maybe you did not hear about the Secret Service deal in Cartagena some years back. You better be straight on the money issue before you do any fucking or it could really turn out to be your killer, your horror.[/QUOTE]Every day I have clearer ideas about Colombia, but I still have some doubts. Do you have to talk about money and then pay even if you fuck a regular girl and not a working girl?

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2595434]The part of Santa Fe that people talk about here is an area that is designated as a zone of tolerance for prostitution. It is not a residential area. And any woman there is there for sex for money. So by definition professionals.

But there is a lot more to Bogota than that. Not far away there are some very nice areas, apartments, hotels. As for finding non-pros. Good luck.[/QUOTE]There is more to Santa Fe than meets the eyes. There are residencia buildings right in the heart of Santa Fe, with restaurants, regular businesses and working families. Even a playground where children play.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2595658]This is not true. There are salons, stores, and restaurants in Santa Fe. There are also chicks there with their boyfriends. To say that every woman there is a hooker is ridiculous. Even today me and another board member were in the SW area of Chapinero. Chicks were trying to get us to choose a chick. I told them how I liked a certain chick that was actually with a hooker (they looked like sisters) and they told me that the one I liked was not a hooker.[/QUOTE]I'm talking about the zona de tolerencia only, not the rest of Santa Fe, and certainly not about Chapinero.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2595541]Friends, first of all, thank you for your help.

I must say that Colombia is disappointing me a lot. I am used to Africa where the girls are just plain gorgeous. I am talking about their character because the black of their skin can like it or it cannot like it.

They are kind, sweet and helpful and affectionate. They do everything without asking for anything in return, even if they expect help, but without asking. Then you are the one who gives something to these poor girls.

You tell me there are only prostitutes in Santa Fe? I would say not only in Santa Fe but in every corner of Colombia. You can't talk to a girl without her asking for money.

I talked to about 200 girls on social networks and they all wanted money. A lot of money. As soon as they ask for money, I cut off the communication. Now I don't talk to anyone anymore. I run the risk of being left alone in Colombia.

It is horrible, really horrible. Thinking if a girl touches her tits she wants money, and if you touch her pussy she wants more money.

Maybe it will be that I'm old and I can't stand these things anymore.

Who is the semi-pro? Quickly said: a girl who is doing university and sometimes to pay for her studies or to have fun, has to sell her body. I met students of Medecina and Economics. Smart and affectionate girls. When you are with these girls you love them. I like to fall in love. They are sweet and loving. Nothing to do with the pros who only do that job, they treat you badly and where inside their pussy there is maybe shit.

Two guys also asked me for money on Badoo, when I asked for information about a city. Only a very nice girl refused to meet me and she wanted to be my friend but she didn't ask me for money.

Is Colombia this? It is truly ugly in relationships between people, it is beautiful only in places.

By now I have bought a ticket for Colombia but I am already sorry because I do not know where to go.[/QUOTE]I have to ask are you white? Colombia has way more tourists and business travelers than almost any country in Africa. I too Love and got spoiled by Africa. But the reason why Africa is so great is because the economies are worse and they get way less tourists. African women are motivated to get you to "love" them because It's quite possible that you're the only monger you'll meet in a while. If you check my DR posts from a year ago you'll see I had the same complaints. I will say I never had a desire to visit any Latin American country personally I literally knew and dated Colombian and Dominican women in the states, I still remember this skinny Dominicana Mariah Carey look a like with a face full of pimples that had the biggest crush on me. So to me a African American girl from the southern states were exotic to me in my heavily immigrant neighborhood in New York. The Only reason I'm here is because I had to go to the states and COVID.

That being said I love the infrastructure and the less stark difference between dirt poor and super rich here. If I was a european monger I wouldn't tell a Africa Monger to fly to Colombia just to monger. But if you think that African or any of these girls actually Love you you're delusional. That being said I'm thinking of taking an exploratory trip to Brazil because a Monger in Cali told me told me that Long Time was standard there like it is in my beloved Africa. I'll let you know.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2595541]Friends, first of all, thank you for your help.

I must say that Colombia is disappointing me a lot. I am used to Africa where the girls are just plain gorgeous. I am talking about their character because the black of their skin can like it or it cannot like it.

They are kind, sweet and helpful and affectionate. They do everything without asking for anything in return, even if they expect help, but without asking. Then you are the one who gives something to these poor girls.

You tell me there are only prostitutes in Santa Fe? I would say not only in Santa Fe but in every corner of Colombia. You can't talk to a girl without her asking for money.

I talked to about 200 girls on social networks and they all wanted money. A lot of money. As soon as they ask for money, I cut off the communication. Now I don't talk to anyone anymore. I run the risk of being left alone in Colombia.

It is horrible, really horrible. Thinking if a girl touches her tits she wants money, and if you touch her pussy she wants more money.

Maybe it will be that I'm old and I can't stand these things anymore.

Who is the semi-pro? Quickly said: a girl who is doing university and sometimes to pay for her studies or to have fun, has to sell her body. I met students of Medecina and Economics. Smart and affectionate girls. When you are with these girls you love them. I like to fall in love. They are sweet and loving. Nothing to do with the pros who only do that job, they treat you badly and where inside their pussy there is maybe shit.

Two guys also asked me for money on Badoo, when I asked for information about a city. Only a very nice girl refused to meet me and she wanted to be my friend but she didn't ask me for money.

Is Colombia this? It is truly ugly in relationships between people, it is beautiful only in places.

By now I have bought a ticket for Colombia but I am already sorry because I do not know where to go.[/QUOTE]I must disagree with most of what you said. In fact, I think it insulted an entire country. Best you change destinations.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2595541]Friends, first of all, thank you for your help.

I must say that Colombia is disappointing me a lot. I am used to Africa where the girls are just plain gorgeous. I am talking about their character because the black of their skin can like it or it cannot like it.

They are kind, sweet and helpful and affectionate. They do everything without asking for anything in return, even if they expect help, but without asking. Then you are the one who gives something to these poor girls.

You tell me there are only prostitutes in Santa Fe? I would say not only in Santa Fe but in every corner of Colombia. You can't talk to a girl without her asking for money.

I talked to about 200 girls on social networks and they all wanted money. A lot of money. As soon as they ask for money, I cut off the communication. Now I don't talk to anyone anymore. I run the risk of being left alone in Colombia.

It is horrible, really horrible. Thinking if a girl touches her tits she wants money, and if you touch her pussy she wants more money.

Maybe it will be that I'm old and I can't stand these things anymore.[/QUOTE]Bogota is paradise for mongering. You can fuck a different supermodel every day for $20 usd. Add another $10 if you want oral natural. I've always just used the websites. I intend to go to Santa Fe clubs at some point but I don't think I'll like it as much as meeting private girls and private spas from the sites.

Sounds like you need too much in terms of a relationship. Swallow your pride and realize that YES the girls are using you for money. But you're also using them for sex. So it's more of a trade. Although there's no need to be cold-blooded about it. I actually find most of them to have good personalities in the short time I'm with them.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2595784]I'm talking about the zona de tolerencia only, not the rest of Santa Fe, and certainly not about Chapinero.[/QUOTE]There is also a zona de tolerencia in Chapinero. Again, not every woman in these places are hookers as you would have people believe. You even see people (men, women, people with their kids, etc) walking through the tolerance zone in Santa Fe in the morning and evening going back and forth between home and work.

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;2595803]I have to ask are you white? Colombia has way more tourists and business travelers than almost any country in Africa. I too Love and got spoiled by Africa. But the reason why Africa is so great is because the economies are worse and they get way less tourists. African women are motivated to get you to "love" them because It's quite possible that you're the only monger you'll meet in a while. If you check my DR posts from a year ago you'll see I had the same complaints. I will say I never had a desire to visit any Latin American country personally I literally knew and dated Colombian and Dominican women in the states, I still remember this skinny Dominicana Mariah Carey look a like with a face full of pimples that had the biggest crush on me. So to me a African American girl from the southern states were exotic to me in my heavily immigrant neighborhood in New York. The Only reason I'm here is because I had to go to the states and COVID.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am a white European. I am perfectly aware of the behavior of African girls towards white men, because I have been there many times in Africa and I would go there for life! I am only going to Colombia because there is not a single African state open for covid-19.

Until a few years ago I did not like Africa and Africans because I have always preferred white women. But since I've been to Africa for the first time, things have turned upside down. I miss that sweetness and availability of black women.

Brazil is a good country for long-term experiences but. Girls are not so sweet like african girls. Ahahahahaah.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2595807]I must disagree with most of what you said. In fact, I think it insulted an entire country. Best you change destinations.[/QUOTE]But I disagree with you. I have never visited a country in the world like Colombia, where people are nice, but not prostitutes or who wants to have sex with you.

I have been to the Philippines and a girl had lost her mind over me talking to her only online. She was getting depressed day by day since I told her I didn't want to meet her. I didn't like that girl because she was too short. She made me promise to only meet me for 10 minutes in a park because she was madly in love with me. I met her and we talked for 30 minutes in the park and saw her very happy and excited.

I have had various stories like this around the world.

I don't think these stories can be repeated in Colombia.

If you just like to fuck, stay in Colombia. But since I'm not only interested in fucking but looking for a romance with the girl, I'll get away as soon as possible from Colombia.

Have a good day.

I had a good experience in Santa Fe last night. After taking a stroll through the area, I found two attractive girls stand-in next to each other on the east side of Carrera 16 between Calle 23 and Calle 24. One quoted me 50 K pesos. I said, "gracias," and requested a price from the other one. She told me 40 K pesos for 15 minutes. I asked whether I should expect the knock at 15 minutes. She said we had to exit the room within 15 minutes. I decided to give her a shot. I asked her if I could ruby baby oil on her body. She said no. I asked why. She said she was afraid there might be something harmful in my baby oil. I said (in Spanish), "that's fine, we can do it without the baby oil. " I confirmed that I could still rub her body without the baby oil. I noted the time and used the clock app on my phone. I was able to come in about 9-10 minutes with her energetic covered blow job. The knock came at about the 11 minute mark.

I would say this was a good experience because the girl was attractive, she made a good effort, I was able to come, and I didn't get into any arguments with her, but the experience was kind of rushed and impersonal. Considering that it was only 40 K pesos, I shouldn't complain, but I feel like this is not exactly what I'm looking for. Maybe I should try longer sessions with the best performers I've identified so far or maybe I should take another shot at the casas in Chapinero. I could also look for girls on various apps.

Has anyone tried paying for the room directly and making a separate payment to the girl instead of letting the girl pay for the room? I'm thinking that interacting with the motel staff directly would help to clarify when the knock is supposed to come. I think if I pay for a longer session, I should insist on doing it that way.

Flight: We left Houston an hour and 20 minutes late. We landed around 10:40 pm. Getting through customs and getting bags was a, landed at 10:40 and in the cab with Pesos (exchange in the airport waiting for bags) by 11:15, but the drive up to Chapinero to drop off bags killed most chances of a fun evening. Got it cause it's a guest friendly AirBnB and nobody watches you come or go.

When I got back just before 1:00, police had roads blocked off and they were clearing the streets. I grabbed a skinny 20 or so year old Venezuelan girl and followed her to her location. Walked in, paid the fee, then it was all upsell and talk about her daughter and needing money yada yada. It was a bit of a buzz kill but it got the job done. Barely. After all the upsell, damage was $250 mil. A little high but the BBBJ & BBFS was a treat. Because I couldn't get into a club and there weren't many girls left in Santa Fe, the taxi driver recommended a place up north. Guessing he gets kickbacks for dropping gringos off. Had a beer, bought the lady a drink. Then I asked how it worked. House fee of 250 mil, 1 hour with the girl at that place - $750 mil. Sooo, around $250 USA Dollars. That surprised me, so I decided to call it a night. I was already exhausted and felt this place was overpriced or I was getting taken advantage of. Asked for the bill for the 2 drinks - 130 mil. What?! LOL. I left and went to the room.

Day 2: Didn't sleep great. Way too much traffic noise and the room was cold. Messaged a handful of girls on mileroticos. Mia from Girls 24/7 responded and headed over. Mía 311xxxx549. She was a nice girl. A little more tattoos than I prefer, but she was my only option.

Showered and caught a cab back to the airport to do the COVID test. Got to the airport at 10:45. Long line and standing outside. And that's where I'm at now. Hour and 20 minutes later and haven't made it through the door. A hotel test would've been nice, but again, at an AirBnB.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2595829]There is also a zona de tolerencia in Chapinero. Again, not every woman in these places are hookers as you would have people believe. You even see people (men, women, people with their kids, etc) walking through the tolerance zone in Santa Fe in the morning and evening going back and forth between home and work.[/QUOTE]Is Fiebre Night Club in the tolerance zone?

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2595849]Flight: We left Houston an hour and 20 minutes late. We landed around 10:40 pm. Getting through customs and getting bags was a, landed at 10:40 and in the cab with Pesos (exchange in the airport waiting for bags) by 11:15, but the drive up to Chapinero to drop off bags killed most chances of a fun evening. Got it cause it's a guest friendly AirBnB and nobody watches you come or go.

When I got back just before 1:00, police had roads blocked off and they were clearing the streets. I grabbed a skinny 20 or so year old Venezuelan girl and followed her to her location. Walked in, paid the fee, then it was all upsell and talk about her daughter and needing money yada yada. It was a bit of a buzz kill but it got the job done. Barely. After all the upsell, damage was $250 mil. A little high but the BBBJ & BBFS was a treat. Because I couldn't get into a club and there weren't many girls left in Santa Fe, the taxi driver recommended a place up north. Guessing he gets kickbacks for dropping gringos off. Had a beer, bought the lady a drink. Then I asked how it worked. House fee of 250 mil, 1 hour with the girl at that place - $750 mil. Sooo, around $250 USA Dollars. That surprised me, so I decided to call it a night. I was already exhausted and felt this place was overpriced or I was getting taken advantage of. Asked for the bill for the 2 drinks - 130 mil. What?! LOL. I left and went to the room.

Day 2: Didn't sleep great. Way too much traffic noise and the room was cold. Messaged a handful of girls on mileroticos. Mia from Girls 24/7 responded and headed over. Ma 311xxxx549. She was a nice girl. A little more tattoos than I prefer, but she was my only option.].[/QUOTE]Covid test at Idime in Chapinero.

50 k for antigen. Got my results in less than 5 hours.

Would you mind sharing the Airbnb you stayed at?

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2595849]Flight: We left Houston an hour and 20 minutes late. We landed around 10:40 pm. Getting through customs and getting bags was a, landed at 10:40 and in the cab with Pesos (exchange in the airport waiting for bags) by 11:15, but the drive up to Chapinero to drop off bags killed most chances of a fun evening. Got it cause it's a guest friendly AirBnB and nobody watches you come or go.

When I got back just before 1:00, police had roads blocked off and they were clearing the streets. I grabbed a skinny 20 or so year old Venezuelan girl and followed her to her location. Walked in, paid the fee, then it was all upsell and talk about her daughter and needing money yada yada. It was a bit of a buzz kill but it got the job done. Barely. After all the upsell, damage was $250 mil. A little high but the BBBJ & BBFS was a treat. Because I couldn't get into a club and there weren't many girls left in Santa Fe, the taxi driver recommended a place up north. Guessing he gets kickbacks for dropping gringos off. Had a beer, bought the lady a drink. Then I asked how it worked. House fee of 250 mil, 1 hour with the girl at that place - $750 mil. Sooo, around $250 USA Dollars. That surprised me, so I decided to call it a night. I was already exhausted and felt this place was overpriced or I was getting taken advantage of. Asked for the bill for the 2 drinks - 130 mil. What?! LOL. I left and went to the room.[/QUOTE]

Don't overpay.

Most will quote 30,000 to 40,000 for a half hour and DFK is usually free if you ask in advance if not I would move on. BBBJ+BBFS should be around a 30,000 upgrade but you need to tell them you won't come inside. I just realized these girls are not worried about STi's only getting pregnant which makes sense as STI's are more of nuisance than a deterrent from not using a crappy feeling condom. If STI's were dangerous me and about 50 mongers I know personally would be dead after 1000's of girls.

Anyway, I get them to come back to my place on Calle 40 for 1 hour BBBJ and BBFS for 100,000 which is actually a bit expensive considering the average pay of the under educated in Bogota is less than 2,000,000 a month. In essence a streetwalker could make 20 times that amount at that price. All night is harder to negotiate if it is your first time with the girl, you shouldn't even bother but if you like her get her number and offer her 150,000 - 200,000 for all night starting at about midnight. I cherry pick the youngest and best looking girls so don't think that matters! Also, right now I am about 270 lbs so don't think your appearance matters that much as long as your are "very clean" and smell good.

Don't Screw up the market, offer the prices I said and then walk away the next time you see them they will accept.

Happy mongering.

MM.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2595835]But I disagree with you. I have never visited a country in the world like Colombia, where people are nice, but not prostitutes or who wants to have sex with you.

I have been to the Philippines and a girl had lost her mind over me talking to her only online. She was getting depressed day by day since I told her I didn't want to meet her. I didn't like that girl because she was too short. She made me promise to only meet me for 10 minutes in a park because she was madly in love with me. I met her and we talked for 30 minutes in the park and saw her very happy and excited.

I have had various stories like this around the world. I don't think these stories can be repeated in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Maybe they can't be repeated for you, but I have had stories like this in Colombia for the last 16 years. I do not know what Colombia you have been to or are thinking about going to. You make it seem like people are all cold and stone-faced.

I remember the first time I was on the phone with an ex-girlfriend in Cali. I told her that I was coming to see her. When we said bye she mistakenly did not hang up her phone. I heard her literally screaming with joy. We are still friends and I bring it up to her sometimes. You still have not been clear on what you are looking for. Do you want a hooker to show you love, or look for romance with a normal woman? My lawyer chick in Colombia seemed to be pretty happy after sleeping by my side the other night.

On the hooker side of the game, I wrote a report in the Medellin thread about a hooker that came to see me yesterday morning in Bogota. "All I know is that she came over this morning for a couple of hours for 150,000. She walked through the door, dropped to her knees, and started sucking my dick. Then she asked me if I wanted a massage. Then after the massage she fucked the brakes off of me and went to get a hot washcloth when we finished. Then she came and cuddled up next to me. " I don't know what to tell you man; our experiences of Colombia are night and day.

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2595849]the taxi driver recommended a place up north. Guessing he gets kickbacks for dropping gringos off. Had a beer, bought the lady a drink. Then I asked how it worked. House fee of 250 mil, 1 hour with the girl at that place - $750 mil. Sooo, around $250 USA Dollars. That surprised me, so I decided to call it a night. I was already exhausted and felt this place was overpriced or I was getting taken advantage of. Asked for the bill for the 2 drinks - 130 mil. What?![/QUOTE]A few tips. 1. Stay away from the North.

2. Always ask for a menu or how much something costs before you go willy nilly ordering things. Me and some friends walked into a cabaret in Nice, France. They immediately ordered drinks while I asked for a menu. The cheapest thing in the menu was water at 35 euro. Their drinks were 40 euro each.

3. If you are going to take advice from a taxi driver then make sure you specify what you are looking for. In 3rd world places, because we are foreigners then they assume we want to go somewhere to spend big money. I make sure to tell taxi drivers to take me to a place they would normally go, not some expensive ripoff bullshit.

Fucking around with Master Monger yesterday and he took me to a spot where you pay 50K to enter and you get to fuck 4 chicks. The chicks come into the room 1 at a time for 20 minute intervals and you have up to 2 hours to get your 50K worth. We got there at 6:40 yesterday and they close at 8, so the guy only charged me 40K. I immediately grabbed a chick and went into a room. She explained to me how it worked. Kissing mouth, tits, pussy 30K extra. Oral without condom 20K extra. Anal 40K extra. Two girls at one time 50K extra. I went bare bones and did not pay extra for anything.

The first girl (Venezuelan) came in CBJ, Fuck. I told her to send the second girl. I was lazy so only got a back and dick massage from her. I told her to send in the third girl. CBJ, Fuck. She sent in the fourth girl and I just got a handjob from her. Good Times. Happy Days.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2595854]Is Fiebre Night Club in the tolerance zone?[/QUOTE]Yes. It is in Santa Fe right next to the other fuck clubs: Troya, Paisa, Atunes, Atonis.

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2595849]Flight: We left Houston an hour and 20 minutes late. We landed around 10:40 pm. Getting through customs and getting bags was a, landed at 10:40 and in the cab with Pesos (exchange in the airport waiting for bags) by 11:15, but the drive up to Chapinero to drop off bags killed most chances of a fun evening. Got it cause it's a guest friendly AirBnB and nobody watches you come or go.

When I got back just before 1:00, police had roads blocked off and they were clearing the streets. I grabbed a skinny 20 or so year old Venezuelan girl and followed her to her location. Walked in, paid the fee, then it was all upsell and talk about her daughter and needing money yada yada. It was a bit of a buzz kill but it got the job done. Barely. After all the upsell, damage was $250 mil. A little high but the BBBJ & BBFS was a treat. Because I couldn't get into a club and there weren't many girls left in Santa Fe, the taxi driver recommended a place up north. Guessing he gets kickbacks for dropping gringos off. Had a beer, bought the lady a drink. Then I asked how it worked. House fee of 250 mil, 1 hour with the girl at that place - $750 mil. Sooo, around $250 USA Dollars. That surprised me, so I decided to call it a night. I was already exhausted and felt this place was overpriced or I was getting taken advantage of. Asked for the bill for the 2 drinks - 130 mil. What?! LOL. I left and went to the room.

Day 2: Didn't sleep great. Way too much traffic noise and the room was cold. Messaged a handful of girls on mileroticos. Mia from Girls 24/7 responded and headed over. Ma 311xxxx549. She was a nice girl. A little more tattoos than I prefer, but she was my only option.[/QUOTE]There are 2 Covid test sites at the airport in Bogota. Site number 1 is the building across the street from the terminal. That's the busy site with the long line. Site number 2 is in the white tents as you're driving towards the terminal. You can schedule your appointment online. I think I got out of there about 10 minutes after my appointment time. There was a long line waiting for site 1 when I got there and no line for site 2.

[URL]https://www.synlab.com/lab/aeropuerto-el-dorado[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2595987]Fucking around with Master Monger yesterday...[/QUOTE]Care to name the place and address? Are the extras per chica or pay once and good for all?

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2595967]Don't overpay.

Most will quote 30,000 to 40,000 for a half hour...[/QUOTE]Excellent post. Do you pay before or after (and mention this during negotiation)? They seem to have all the leverage and don't give a shit if you pay before.

Anyone think there are better street pickings currently than Bogota in Medellin or other, smaller cities like Ibague, Manizales, Cucuta, Barranquilla, etc.?

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2595541]Friends, first of all, thank you for your help.

I must say that Colombia is disappointing me a lot. I am used to Africa where the girls are just plain gorgeous. I am talking about their character because the black of their skin can like it or it cannot like it.

They are kind, sweet and helpful and affectionate. They do everything without asking for anything in return, even if they expect help, but without asking. Then you are the one who gives something to these poor girls.[/QUOTE]I don't know how to explain this to you. People, who perform a service as a means of supporting their family, expect to be paid. If I call a plumber they are going to tell me what the minimum service charge will be. They don't just show up and hope, after doing the work, I will pay them something.

Why would you expect women who sell sex to be different? If they just hope the guys will decide to give them a fair amount of money for their service there would be a lot of starving hookers. If it bothers you that prostitutes expect to be paid, you really need to reconsider your choice to seek out prostitutes.

[QUOTE]You tell me there are only prostitutes in Santa Fe? I would say not only in Santa Fe but in every corner of Colombia. You can't talk to a girl without her asking for money.

I talked to about 200 girls on social networks and they all wanted money. A lot of money. As soon as they ask for money, I cut off the communication. Now I don't talk to anyone anymore. I run the risk of being left alone in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Again, I'm not sure how to explain this. The girls in Santa Fe, who stand around, scantily dressed and smile at the men passing by, are prostitutes. That is what Zeos was talking about. It shouldn't be confusing. Is it common where you're from for women to stand around on the street, wearing only lingerie, and try to get guys to come fuck them for free? If so, can you tell us where that is?

Of course the girls who you are talking to on social media are asking you for money. Why not? If 50 guys contact them on social media, 49 of the guys will never even come to Colombia and at least 25 guys are trying to get them to send free photos and videos. So why not ask? You're probably someone who is just wasting their time. That's not a judgement on you, it's just the reality that most guys are just wasting the girls time.

[QUOTE]It is horrible, really horrible. Thinking if a girl touches her tits she wants money, and if you touch her pussy she wants more money.[/QUOTE]I don't know what Colombia you're talking about. I've never encountered this. I pay the women I see between 150-250 k, they usually stay for well over an hour, often for several hours, and there's no mention of money, once the price has been agreed upon. On rare occasions they won't be interested in much kissing. On rare occasions they will grab the condom before giving a blowjob. However, most of the time it's cuddling, touching, kissing, oral, any position and lots of affection.

[QUOTE]Maybe it will be that I'm old and I can't stand these things anymore.

Who is the semi-pro? Quickly said: a girl who is doing university and sometimes to pay for her studies or to have fun, has to sell her body. I met students of Medecina and Economics. Smart and affectionate girls. When you are with these girls you love them. I like to fall in love. They are sweet and loving. Nothing to do with the pros who only do that job, they treat you badly and where inside their pussy there is maybe shit. [/QUOTE]There's not a single girl in university, anywhere in the world, who needs to sell pussy to complete strangers in order to have fun. Whether or not they need to sell pussy to support their studies is debatable. The key word is "need. " I think In many cases, selling pussy gets them more money for less effort. Why work 30 hours a week when you can make more fucking for 3 hours?

Why does that only apply to university students? Many of the women I've been with in Colombia work some other job, often 2 or 3 jobs. When the opportunity to earn more in an hour than they earn working 4 days, they take it.

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I don't know what women in Colombia you're talking about treating you badly. Most of the girls I've been with have treated me very well. That includes the ones who are complete pros.

Whether they are pros and semi-pros, if they are treating you badly it probably has something to do with you. And the only reason they are being sweet and loving it's because they are doing what is necessary to get paid. Women who fuck strangers for money don't tend to fall in love with every customer. Customers who fall in love with every hooker probably should find a new hobby.

[QUOTE]Two guys also asked me for money on Badoo, when I asked for information about a city. Only a very nice girl refused to meet me and she wanted to be my friend but she didn't ask me for money.

Is Colombia this? It is truly ugly in relationships between people, it is beautiful only in places.

By now I have bought a ticket for Colombia but I am already sorry because I do not know where to go.[/QUOTE]It's amazing how you can be an expert on the people of Colombia, without first meeting the people of Colombia. Colombians are some of the friendliest people in the world. The girls in Colombia are sweet and affectionate. However, since you've already decided what everyone is like, it's unlikely you'll discover that.

The COVID place by the airport ended up taking 2 hours and 15 minutes. Have to have a PCR test, so the quick antigen tests are out the window. Oh well, got it out of the way. Definitely recommend you guys find another place. On a bright note, I just received negative results. About 10 hours after the test.

I went back to my room and reached out to Thalia on mileroticos. I really thought her pics would end up being fakes or touched up or old. Nope. She's a little cutie. Very pretty girl and super nice. She's a tiny Venezuelan girl with a pretty face. BBBJ, DFK, 69, and flipped her and flipped her however I wanted. She wasn't robotic or mechanical at all. It was a great experience. She has a see-section scar (anybody care any that?) but an otherwise flawless figure. Total damage was 260 k for the hour. Did I overpay? Maybe. Totally worth it. See her, you won't regret it.

Tonight I went to the clubs in Santa Fe. It's a Sunday and I got there early, so it was really slow. Don't recommend going at 7:30. Things picked up around 9. I bounced around. Atonis, Paisa, and several others (Venus was closed. Because it's Sunday?) before finding a small Venezuelan girl named Emily in Troya. The most hopping of the clubs, but also the last one I went to. The others probably picked up after I left. Damage for Emily was 100 mil. She gave a half ass BBBJ and then onto some robotic sex. Oh, and before we began, I had to wash my area in freezing cold water in the sink. Went from ready to not ready at all pretty quick. Should've taken her up on the offer of blue pills.

Was tired so called it a night. Then got to the room and decided to message another girl. She's in her way over. Nikol from mileroticos. More on that tomorrow.

AirBnb: it's called Paris loft in the G area. It's hosted by Daniel. There's a keypad entrance through a small gate and a keypad entrance through a door. You walk up the stairs and use a key for the door. Super easy and nobody sees you coming or going. He messaged me that I could have as many guests as I wanted, but could only have one at a time. I honored that request, but it's not like anybody would know if you didn't. The traffic noise isn't great and the mattress isn't exactly a temperpedic, but it's fine with me. It looks identical to the pics. Everything is white and it looks really clean.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2595835]But I disagree with you. I have never visited a country in the world like Colombia, where people are nice, but not prostitutes or who wants to have sex with you.

I have been to the Philippines and a girl had lost her mind over me talking to her only online. She was getting depressed day by day since I told her I didn't want to meet her. I didn't like that girl because she was too short. She made me promise to only meet me for 10 minutes in a park because she was madly in love with me. I met her and we talked for 30 minutes in the park and saw her very happy and excited.

I have had various stories like this around the world.

I don't think these stories can be repeated in Colombia.

If you just like to fuck, stay in Colombia. But since I'm not only interested in fucking but looking for a romance with the girl, I'll get away as soon as possible from Colombia.

Have a good day.[/QUOTE]You honestly believe that a Filipina, before she had met you, fell "madly in love with you?" Seriously? Don't get me wrong. I've had women all over the world tell me they loved me, including several from the Philippines, and I've never been to the Philippines. I just don't believe them.

If your concept of romance is having a woman who doesn't know you tell you she loves you, then you'll love Colombia. There must be 30 women in Colombia who have told me they love me.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2595835]

If you just like to fuck, stay in Colombia. But since I'm not only interested in fucking but looking for a romance with the girl, I'll get away as soon as possible from Colombia.
[/QUOTE]Romancing a prostitute, when was the last time it ended well?

I'm probably too thick, but why would anyone want a love affair with a hooker in the first place?

Your notion of every Colombian woman being a prostitute is totally ridiculous. Bogota is a home to 7 million people. There are probably hundreds of thousands "normal" women who would be open to dating a foreigner.

Surely, it's going to take a little longer and cost you more to get down to business.

But if you want love, why not put some work in dating a regular girl in Colombia (or anywhere else for that matter)?

Then again, everyone has a fetish.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2596062]Your notion of every Colombian woman being a prostitute is totally ridiculous. Bogota is a home to 7 million people. There are probably hundreds of thousands "normal" women who would be open to dating a foreigner.[/QUOTE]May be my English is so bad, I'm sorry. It is not my native language. I am in a mongering forum and maybe some guy will be offended. But I would never approach a prostitute to have a love story. I never thought this. I mean that I talked to 200 girls from various cities on the Internet and they all asked me for money, even 2 guys. One girl even asked me to send money before I arrived because I was booking it for that week. If you don't believe it, I won't send the conversation with her. I have never said or thought that all Colombian girls are prostitutes. I am referring to the ones I met on the Internet. The ones I spoke to are all prostitutes and I confirm it. I use Badoo, Facebook, Tagged, Mingle2, etc.

But yesterday I met a gem. A wonderful girl from Pereira. She that she will come to see me in Bogota or Medellin.

I am sure she is a regular girl and not a semi-pro.

She is kind, sweet, helpful and cheerful. I talked to her for almost a day. She is a needle in a haystack and I would not want to let her escape.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2595980]Maybe they can't be repeated for you, but I have had stories like this in Colombia for the last 16 years. I do not know what Colombia you have been to or are thinking about going to. You make it seem like people are all cold and stone-faced.[/QUOTE]Surely I am doing something wrong, in fact I am behaving like in every other country I have visited. Maybe that's not how it works in Colombia.

Since I will only have 20 completely free days in Colombia, I would like to have at least 2 girlfriendly experiences and so I started talking to girls online. I already have the plane ticket but I still don't know whether to go to Bogota or Medellin. But the ones I met online are all prostitutes. I think the best thing is to meet the girls face to face and talk to them, but that takes time.

However, in the meantime I have already found my girlfriend and do not let me escape. She is delighted to meet me. Maybe she will run away as soon as she meets me because she is 20 and I am almost 3 times older. But she has already seen many dozen of my photos and she told me that I am handsome.

I've been with my dime Colombian GF I met on SA several months ago and have 2 hours without her after she flies back to her hometown and I have to catch my flight back to the states at 11 pm. I won't have a hotel, will be solo and will have a carryon bag. I'd love to get some hot strange before I fly out. Fiebre? Prepago website that does incalls? Massage parlor? If you were in my situation and only had 2 hours what would you do? I'm picky about the quality of the girls and also want to get the best bang for my buck. Thanks in advance fellas! I'm a newbie on here but will be posting more in the future!

[QUOTE=Trim1;2595842]
Has anyone tried paying for the room directly and making a separate payment to the girl instead of letting the girl pay for the room? I'm thinking that interacting with the motel staff directly would help to clarify when the knock is supposed to come. I think if I pay for a longer session, I should insist on doing it that way.[/QUOTE]That's what I always do in Santa Fe.

Apparently you speak Spanish, so be cool and friendly with the person running the motel, and strike a deal.

15 minutes to me is way too quick.

Posted yesterday that I was still at the airport testing site for an hour and 20 minutes and still no test. It ended up being an hour and 20 minutes. Got there at 10:45, had the test shortly after 1:00. I had read that it had to be a PCR test, but my Delta check-in information says antigen or PCR. Antigen would have been a lot easier. Anyway, got the test knocked out and got the negative results just after 10:00 pm. I uploaded them this morning and cleared to fly back.

Definitely recommend a different testing site. I didn't have anyone come to my room because I'm staying in an AirBnB.

[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2595965]Would you mind sharing the Airbnb you stayed at?[/QUOTE]Paris loft in the G area.

In the pics, everything is white. White bed, white nightstand, white counters. It's hosted by Daniel. Who is really nice. The bed isn't the nicest and the noise outside is pretty bad. It sounds like I'm sleeping outside next to the road. I turned the radio on and that helped me sleep.

Highly recommend though, cause there is no security person. You enter the user ID and passcode on the keypad and open the gate. Use the user ID and keypad again to get through the door. A room key is left in a bowl in the little room downstairs, you walk up the stairs and the room is on the left. Super easy. He even sends you YouTube videos of how to get in. Not that you really need to see them.

The rule is one guest at a time. I respected that rule, but there's nobody here to say anything if you brought 2 girls back.

Some will warn against overnight visits, and I agree with all that. It's dangerous and you never know what could end up missing.

That said, I had been messaging Nikol who I found on mileroticos. I got back to my room at 9:30 and she came over. It was 600 mil for the night (BBBJ included but covered sex). In the messages I asked her if she wanted anything from the USA. I bought her a hat and sweatshirt from the Airport in Houston. She loved it, think it made my experience even better.

She's cute and very sweet. Check out her tik tok videos at andryyarenizz. She showed me some videos so I told her I wanted to see her make one. There are 2 videos she made in my AirBnB room wearing the hat and sweatshirt I bought her. LOL.

She was here about 11 hours. She was very trustworthy. I left a wad of cash out in plain view like an idiot. She reached over the cash and grabbed the empty plastic bag the shirt and hat were in and asked if it was OK to take the bag.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2595541]Friends, first of all, thank you for your help.

I must say that Colombia is disappointing me a lot. I am used to Africa where the girls are just plain gorgeous. I am talking about their character because the black of their skin can like it or it cannot like it.

They are kind, sweet and helpful and affectionate. They do everything without asking for anything in return, even if they expect help, but without asking. Then you are the one who gives something to these poor girls.

You tell me there are only prostitutes in Santa Fe? I would say not only in Santa Fe but in every corner of Colombia. You can't talk to a girl without her asking for money.

I talked to about 200 girls on social networks and they all wanted money. A lot of money. As soon as they ask for money, I cut off the communication. Now I don't talk to anyone anymore. I run the risk of being left alone in Colombia.

It is horrible, really horrible. Thinking if a girl touches her tits she wants money, and if you touch her pussy she wants more money.

Maybe it will be that I'm old and I can't stand these things anymore.

Who is the semi-pro? Quickly said: a girl who is doing university and sometimes to pay for her studies or to have fun, has to sell her body. I met students of Medecina and Economics. Smart and affectionate girls. When you are with these girls you love them. I like to fall in love. They are sweet and loving. Nothing to do with the pros who only do that job, they treat you badly and where inside their pussy there is maybe shit.

Two guys also asked me for money on Badoo, when I asked for information about a city. Only a very nice girl refused to meet me and she wanted to be my friend but she didn't ask me for money.

Is Colombia this? It is truly ugly in relationships between people, it is beautiful only in places.

By now I have bought a ticket for Colombia but I am already sorry because I do not know where to go.[/QUOTE]Listen brotha, I feel your pain, however, online dating, online mongering, online whatever is always full of money grubbers.

Depending on your personality, looks, energy, vibe, Spanish ability, etc, Colombia can be pure sweetness as well.

Just go, hit the venues and see who you vibe with. Follow your smart instincts, and you'll meet some sweethearts.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;2595803] That being said I'm thinking of taking an exploratory trip to Brazil because a Monger in Cali told me told me that Long Time was standard there like it is in my beloved Africa. I'll let you know.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.[/QUOTE]Many reasons to explore Brazil, but because 'long time' is standard is not one of them, Lol.

Brazil, just as in Colombia, has short time, medium time, and long time monger venues.

I love Brazil, my personal favorite, however, just as in Colombia, if the vibe is good, it can even be difficult to get a girl to leave, Lol.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2595541]
You tell me there are only prostitutes in Santa Fe? I would say not only in Santa Fe but in every corner of Colombia. You can't talk to a girl without her asking for money.
[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about your experience, but I am afraid you have the wrong perception about Colombia. I'm living in Colombia since 7 years, have my social circle here and date Colombianas. Even when I lived in other countries, I always ended up with a social circle among the Colombian community and dated mainly Colombian girls. Never ever they asked for money. There is no such thing as semi-pros. A pro is having sex with strangers for money, no matter if it is once a week, once a day or once an hour. It might be higher in some areas such as Medellin or Pereira, but in Bogota 99% of girls are non pros and 1% is a pro. I know most mongerers visiting Colombia believe it is much higher, but it is a wrong perception. If you don't speak spanish, are obvious short term tourist, hang out in places where you can find pros, it is obvious that you will be approached only by hookers. A regular Colombiana will never approach a foreigner, only hookers do that. If you want to meet regular Colombianas, you will have to do the first move or have a social circle to meet them. Same for online meeting. If you are contacting only profiles with obvious sexy pictures of herself, not one picture of herself with friends or family, there is a good chance she is a hooker. A hooker will never post pictures of herself with her mom in her social media profile she is usying to find clients.

This forum is about finding sex, but 99% of reports is about prostitutes. If you are interested in dating regular Colombianas, just check my FAQ about dating Colombianas:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3870-Dating-Colombianas&p=1983593&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1983593.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2596073]But yesterday I met a gem. A wonderful girl from Pereira. She that she will come to see me in Bogota or Medellin. I am sure she is a regular girl and not a semi-pro. She is kind, sweet, helpful and cheerful. I talked to her for almost a day. She is a needle in a haystack and I would not want to let her escape.[/QUOTE]Do not put all of your eggs in that fucking basket. During the past week while I was in Colombia at least 8 chicks flaked on me. 2 of them I have been in normal relationships with before. Chicks will tell you all kind of shit when you are 8,000 miles away, but when you are just around the corner excuses will abound. Biches always want to know when did you arrive, how long are you staying, where are you staying, just to say they can not come. It is hard enough to get chicks in the same city to show up, and you are talking about a chick going from one city to the other. Do not fuck yourself over like that.

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2596227]Posted yesterday that I was still at the airport testing site for an hour and 20 minutes and still no test. It ended up being an hour and 20 minutes. Got there at 10:45, had the test shortly after 1:00. I had read that it had to be a PCR test, but my Delta check-in information says antigen or PCR. Antigen would have been a lot easier. Anyway, got the test knocked out and got the negative results just after 10:00 pm. I uploaded them this morning and cleared to fly back.

Definitely recommend a different testing site. I didn't have anyone come to my room because I'm staying in an AirBnB.[/QUOTE]I have posted testing sites here 10 times that cost from 70k to 90k for antigen and take less than 1 hour. The other day when I arrived in Bogota I saw 800 mfs standing out there at that airport testing site. I am sure the wait that day was longer than the one you experienced. You uploaded them and are cleared to fly back? All filling out the form on the website means is that you do not have to fill the form out when you get to the airport. It does not clear you for anything. You will have to show your test when you arrive at the airport for check in. Make sure you do your check-mig as well.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2596073]May be my English is so bad, I'm sorry. It is not my native language. I am in a mongering forum and maybe some guy will be offended. But I would never approach a prostitute to have a love story. I never thought this. I mean that I talked to 200 girls from various cities on the Internet and they all asked me for money, even 2 guys. One girl even asked me to send money before I arrived because I was booking it for that week. If you don't believe it, I won't send the conversation with her. I have never said or thought that all Colombian girls are prostitutes. I am referring to the ones I met on the Internet. The ones I spoke to are all prostitutes and I confirm it. I use Badoo, Facebook, Tagged, Mingle2, etc.

But yesterday I met a gem. A wonderful girl from Pereira. She that she will come to see me in Bogota or Medellin.

I am sure she is a regular girl and not a semi-pro.

She is kind, sweet, helpful and cheerful. I talked to her for almost a day. She is a needle in a haystack and I would not want to let her escape.[/QUOTE]You're sure she's a regular girl? I really need to know what country you're from, if you think that regular girls will happily agree to travel across country in order to have sex with a foreigner, a complete stranger, 3 times their age, that they've only spent a few hours chatting with online.

Let me tell you what is almost certain to happen. Before you fly to Colombia she's going to need some money for something. Maybe because she wants to buy something nice to wear for you, maybe because she will need to pay some expense while she is away, but it's practically guaranteed some need will pop up.

Of course, it's not because she's a prostitute or anything. She's just a sweet, innocent girl who is interested in men 3 times her age. Aren't all 20 year old girls like that?

Because she is so sweet, kind, cheerful and helpful, and because you would not want to let her escape, you'll send the money. It just makes sense that traveling to spend time with you will cause her added expenses.

Then, probably within 48 hours of your flight, something is going to go wrong. Most likely there will be an illness in the family, or maybe an injured pet. Whatever the problem is, she won't have the money to pay for it. She'll feel really bad about asking you for money, but she doesn't have anyone else, and her grandmother, sister, brother or dog will die if she can't come up with the money.

What do you do? This poor, sweet, kind girl is in tears and she really wants to see you, but she can't until she somehow gets the money she needs. And when you think about it, she's not asking for a lot of money, not when compared to how much you're spending.

So you decide to send the money, because she obviously needs it and you don't want to let her escape.

You're not going to believe this, but on the day when she's supposed to travel to meet you, another financial emergency is going to get in the way. She's going to need more money before she can come and be with you.

This pattern will likely continue. She'll still be in Pereira and you'll be sending her money until 1 of 3 things happens.

1. She decides that she's gotten all the money from you she can.

2. You finally realize that you've been played for a sucker and stop sending her money.

3. She decides that she can get more money from you by coming to see you.

20 year old girls don't agree to meet with strangers who are nearly 60 years old, with the understanding sex will be involved, unless there's a financial incentive. Have someone tattoo that on your forearm in case you forget.

You would never approach a prostitute to have a love story? The only women who will agree to your "love story", without first spending time with you and getting to know you, are either prostitutes or scam artists. That has nothing to do with Colombia. Try it in your own country. Start sending the same messages to 20 year old girls who live in your country. Unless you find a prostitute, you're not going to have much luck.

Fortunately (for the local economy), every country that is a sexual tourism destination has plenty of girls who will happily give up being prostitutes in order to be a girlfriend (who gets paid more than most prostitutes) for any foreigner who reaches out to them. How do I know this? Because I believed the same thing as you. I believed that all those 18-23 year old girls in the Dominican Republic thought I was handsome. I thought they were just regular girls who desperately wanted a boyfriend, from another country, who was 30+ years older than them. I believed them and thought all of the guys here just didn't understand. I was absolutely certain I had found a better way.

Fortunately, I woke up from my fantasy after spending 2 hours with a regular girl who was "kind, sweet, helpful and cheerful" and who "I would not want to let her escape. " I scrapped my plan and went back and took the advice everyone else had given me. I was able to salvage my trip.

If you're committed to only having "a love story" your trip is probably going to be a complete failure, especially the way you are approaching it. If you're more interested in fucking up royally than in enjoying your trip, keep doing what you're doing. If you are more interested in having a good time, pay attention:

1. Forget all the social media you've been using. Your chance of finding a regular girl that way is extremely low. Instead start looking on Colombian Cupid. Make your profile open to a long term relationship. Specify what you're looking for. You have a better chance of finding girls who aren't just prostitutes.

2. Don't commit to anything other than meeting, at a public place, for coffee or lunch.

3. Pick a city. It doesn't matter which one.

4. Only look for girls in that city. Don't waste your time on girls in other cities. There are plenty of girls in Medellin or Bogota.

5. Don't spend too much time messaging before you go to Colombia. Keep the conversation light and casual. If the girl tries to get you talking about sex, she's almost certainly a prostitute.

6. Meet the girls with no expectations. You're just having coffee with a stranger. Find out if there is a mutual interest after you are face to face.

7. Don't rush things. A love story takes time to develop.

Hey,

I know it is not necessary to make a Covid-19 RT- PCR test or a simple molecular test neither to enter nor to leave Colombia.

Why do you make tests? I'd like to understand.

[QUOTE=Routard;2596275]Sorry to hear about your experience, but I am afraid you have the wrong perception about Colombia. I'm living in Colombia since 7 years, have my social circle here and date Colombianas. Even when I lived in other countries, I always ended up with a social circle among the Colombian community and dated mainly Colombian girls. Never ever they asked for money. There is no such thing as semi-pros. A pro is having sex with strangers for money, no matter if it is once a week, once a day or once an hour. It might be higher in some areas such as Medellin or Pereira, but in Bogota 99% of girls are non pros and 1% is a pro. I know most mongerers visiting Colombia believe it is much higher, but it is a wrong perception. If you don't speak spanish, are obvious short term tourist, hang out in places where you can find pros, it is obvious that you will be approached only by hookers. A regular Colombiana will never approach a foreigner, only hookers do that. If you want to meet regular Colombianas, you will have to do the first move or have a social circle to meet them. Same for online meeting. If you are contacting only profiles with obvious sexy pictures of herself, not one picture of herself with friends or family, there is a good chance she is a hooker. A hooker will never post pictures of herself with her mom in her social media profile she is usying to find clients.

This forum is about finding sex, but 99% of reports is about prostitutes. If you are interested in dating regular Colombianas, just check my FAQ about dating Colombianas:.[/QUOTE]Your advice is always top notch, but there is one thing you got wrong this time. Hookers, at least on Facebook, in Medellin, often post pictures of their mothers, fathers and children.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2596329]1. Forget all the social media you've been using. Your chance of finding a regular girl that way is extremely low. Instead start looking on Colombian Cupid. Make your profile open to a long term relationship. Specify what you're looking for. You have a better chance of finding girls who aren't just prostitutes.

2. Don't commit to anything other than meeting, at a public place, for coffee or lunch.

3. Pick a city. It doesn't matter which one.

4. Only look for girls in that city. Don't waste your time on girls in other cities. There are plenty of girls in Medellin or Bogota.

5. Don't spend too much time messaging before you go to Colombia. Keep the conversation light and casual. If the girl tries to get you talking about sex, she's almost certainly a prostitute.

6. Meet the girls with no expectations. You're just having coffee with a stranger. Find out if there is a mutual interest after you are face to face.

7. Don't rush things. A love story takes time to develop.[/QUOTE]You are right in everything, my problem is that I am used to Africa. Africa is a completely different continent. If I liked a girl I would call her and then we would have sex. No regular girl ever said no to me. It sounds unbelievable but it is. However of one thing I'm sure. I have never been cheated by any girl and I have never given money in a non-prudent way. I know the stories of fake dramas, girls are good at dramatizing all over the world. I'm not a rookie and I already know these things. My biggest mistake is having associated Africa with South America.
The last year I talked to a girl and was a Medicina student. I didn't believe her and I asked her: where are you now? She answered me
that she was at the university and that she was listening to the lecture. I asked her: can you take a picture of your hand to verify that you are at the university?
Her availability was great and she took a picture of her hand in front of the professor. ahahaha This is Africa!! However, one thing I can say with extreme confidence. In Colombia's dating sites there are 99% of prostitutes.

[QUOTE=Routard;2596275]Same for online meeting. If you are contacting only profiles with obvious sexy pictures of herself, not one picture of herself with friends or family, there is a good chance she is a hooker. A hooker will never post pictures of herself with her mom in her social media profile she is usying to find clients.[/QUOTE]I feel the exact opposite about this. I think it is pretty damn weird when chicks put pictures of their kids and family on a dating site. But of course she is up to shenanigans if she has her ass sticking out on every picture.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2596329]Fortunately, I woke up from my fantasy after spending 2 hours with a regular girl who was "kind, sweet, helpful and cheerful" and who "I would not want to let her escape. " I scrapped my plan and went back and took the advice everyone else had given me. I was able to salvage my trip.[/QUOTE]What happenes during those 2 hours to make you wake up from your fantasy?

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2596330]Hey,

I know it is not necessary to make a Covid-19 RT- PCR test or a simple molecular test neither to enter nor to leave Colombia.

Why do you make tests? I'd like to understand.[/QUOTE]You need a test to go back to the countries they came from. For example, United States or Canada, and most European countries.

[QUOTE=DWodderson;2596088]I've been with my dime Colombian GF I met on SA several months ago and have 2 hours without her after she flies back to her hometown and I have to catch my flight back to the states at 11 pm. I won't have a hotel, will be solo and will have a carryon bag. I'd love to get some hot strange before I fly out. Fiebre? Prepago website that does incalls? Massage parlor? If you were in my situation and only had 2 hours what would you do? I'm picky about the quality of the girls and also want to get the best bang for my buck. Thanks in advance fellas! I'm a newbie on here but will be posting more in the future![/QUOTE][URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/pervertidas-gemelitas-dispuestas-a-llenarte-de-placer-cumple-tus-fantasias/20619946/[/URL]

Have a threesome with these identical twins. I did it. They're even hotter in person. 200 k.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2596330]I know it is not necessary to make a Covid-19 RT- PCR test or a simple molecular test neither to enter nor to leave Colombia.

Why do you make tests? I'd like to understand.[/QUOTE]People traveling to certain countries need to have a test before they are allowed on the flight. Brazil, Canada, USA, etc.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2596371] The last year I talked to a girl and was a Medicina student. I didn't believe her and I asked her: where are you now? She answered me that she was at the university and that she was listening to the lecture. I asked her: can you take a picture of your hand to verify that you are at the university? Her availability was great and she took a picture of her hand in front of the professor. ahahaha This is Africa!![/QUOTE]What the hell does that prove? Only that she was in a class at that time and nothing else and actually does not even prove that. You think there are no students that are hookers? Hell, I just had a couple of coworkers that got fired the other day for being hookers.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2596371]In Colombia's dating sites there are 99% of prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Those are the sites that you have visited. The man told you to go on cupid, but you keep rambling on thinking you know what you are talking about instead of listening to the advice you are given.

I've had lots of fun in Bogota with online ads. Never been to Santa Fe before so I wanted to check it out during the day time first. My thoughts.

No way in hell would I ever consider going there after dark. I felt uncomfortable just walking through by myself during the day. The girls out were less attractive than the online girls and people offering me drugs when I walk past. No thank you.

From reading here, it's more expensive and you have sex in uncomfortable situations in the back rooms of a strip club. The only thing that could possibly make it worth it is if the girls are just way hotter at night than the girls online, but I really don't think this would be the case.

To each their own, I suppose. But it almost reminded me of GB Road in Delhi. It was just filthy. I can imagine going there at night is the best way to get robbed.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2596434]What the hell does that prove? You think there are no students that are hookers?[/QUOTE]You are wrong. This proves that she is an intelligent girl who does not tell lies. And with that it's a good start. I hate girls who make up everything and tell lies.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2596434]Those are the sites that you have visited. The man told you to go on cupid, but you keep rambling on thinking you know what you are talking about instead of listening to the advice you are given.[/QUOTE]What the hell! The man recommended Cupid just today and how do I rate that site? I have used other dating websites for a long time.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2596426]You need a test to go back to the countries they came from. For example, United States or Canada, and most European countries.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but I still do not understand. But I will do the Covide-19 test backwards in my country. What does the test in Colombia have to do with it? They will request the test from me when I am in my home country. Quite right?

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2596448]No way in hell would I ever consider going there after dark. I felt uncomfortable just walking through by myself during the day. The girls out were less attractive than the online girls and people offering me drugs when I walk past.[/QUOTE]15 years of going to Santa Fe and I have never been offered drugs. First time in the Chapinero SW scene the other day and I was offered drugs several times. I told them shiiittt I don't even drink.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2596448]To each their own, I suppose. But it almost reminded me of GB Road in Delhi. It was just filthy. I can imagine going there at night is the best way to get robbed.[/QUOTE]Sounds like I missed a good one in Delhi. Best I have ever done is Congress House in Mumbai. I have never seen a robbery in Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2596302]I have posted testing sites here 10 times that cost from 70k to 90k for antigen and take less than 1 hour. The other day when I arrived in Bogota I saw 800 mfs standing out there at that airport testing site. I am sure the wait that day was longer than the one you experienced. You uploaded them and are cleared to fly back? All filling out the form on the website means is that you do not have to fill the form out when you get to the airport. It does not clear you for anything. You will have to show your test when you arrive at the airport for check in. Make sure you do your check-mig as well.[/QUOTE]That wasn't worded the best. I just meant that I passed the test and I'm free to leave. I don't have any symptoms or anything, but that doesn't mean I wasn't nervous about getting stuck in the country. The United "Travel-Ready Center" says to bring the paperwork with you to the airport. I got.

I saw a lot about testing on here. I thought the airport would be the easiest and quickest. That was a terrible assumption on my part. It was 2 hours and 20 minutes. Glad I wasn't there with 800 people. There were maybe 150 people out there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2596425]What happenes during those 2 hours to make you wake up from your fantasy?[/QUOTE]First of all she was really a regular girl. She had just turned 18 and I'm certain that she had never met up with a foreigner for sex. I went to meet her in a nearby park. We talked a bit and then we headed back to my room. Once we were alone in the room I had to do everything.

I went back to Santa Fe and saw Valeria standing in the same place where I found her before. I went up to her and explained that the reason I didn't give her a propina in order to rub baby oil on her the other day was because I had asked if it would be OK before we went into the room. I said I had showed her the bottle of baby oil while we were outside and asked her what she had thought I wanted to do with it. She said, "many things" (all of this in Spanish, of course). She apologized for not understanding me earlier. I told her that she was a very pretty girl and it was a shame what happened earlier. She asked if I wanted to try again, and I said no, I just wanted her to understand (also, I wanted to practice my Spanish).

Then I went back to a girl with whom I had good experience previously. However, this time I paid 6 K to the motel manager directly and 30 K to the girl. She let me rub baby oil on her stomach and legs, but she wanted another 10 K to take her top off, unlike last time. Her covered BJ was pretty good, but asking for another 10 K mid-session kind of killed the mood, though I was still able to finish with her. The knock came at the 13 minute mark this time.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2596333]Hookers, at least on Facebook, in Medellin, often post pictures of their mothers, fathers and children.[/QUOTE]There is no other place like Medellin FB nor there will be where you can see a puta's ass in her bikini and also her nephew's baptism pics all the at same place.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2596469]15 years of going to Santa Fe[/QUOTE]Out of curiosity:

Why 15 years always in Santa Fe and not in Medellin center plaza Botero?

I know plaza Botero is not so inferior to Santa Fe, both in the beauty of the girls and in the quantity of girls.

Plus Medellin has a better climate than Bogota.

Some people insist on Santa Fe. My question is just to understand better.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2596330]Hey,

I know it is not necessary to make a Covid-19 RT- PCR test or a simple molecular test neither to enter nor to leave Colombia.

Why do you make tests? I'd like to understand.[/QUOTE]You need a negative antigen or PCR test to go back to the USA. I had spaced out getting one until the night before I was scheduled to return to US. Luckily Synlab at the Bogota airport opens at 6 AM every day and I was able to get the test prior to my flight the same day. The cost of the test (antigen test) was only 110 COP (about $27) and they emailed the results about 1 and a half hours later. I have medium level Spanish but I will say some of the paperwork was a little tough to figure out.

With about 3 hour to kill at the El Dorado airport I will say they have a lot of good food options there compared to some other airports.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2596458]I'm sorry but I still do not understand. But I will do the Covide-19 test backwards in my country. What does the test in Colombia have to do with it? They will request the test from me when I am in my home country. Quite right?

You are wrong. This proves that she is an intelligent girl who does not tell lies. And with that it's a good start. I hate girls who make up everything and tell lies.[/QUOTE]They won't let you on the flight if you don't have a test from the last 3 days. So if you've been in Colombia 3 days or more, that means you need to get tested in Colombia.

As for your idea that being a student makes you unable to tell lies, that's so ridiculous. I know some people put educational institutions on pedestals but this is just a whole new level of that. People go to school to have better job prospects. It doesn't make them a more honest person. Hell, a lot of the time it doesn't even make them any smarter.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2596458]I'm sorry but I still do not understand. But I will do the Covide-19 test backwards in my country. What does the test in Colombia have to do with it? They will request the test from me when I am in my home country. Quite right?[/QUOTE]To go back to the United States or Canada. Or many countries in Europe, you have to get a test in the country you are leaving from, before they will let you board the plane. For example, I am from Canada and I had to get my test in the country I was visiting before I could get on the plane to go back to Canada.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2596625]Out of curiosity:

Why 15 years always in Santa Fe and not in Medellin center plaza Botero?

I know plaza Botero is not so inferior to Santa Fe, both in the beauty of the girls and in the quantity of girls.

Plus Medellin has a better climate than Bogota.

Some people insist on Santa Fe. My question is just to understand better.[/QUOTE]They are very very different. Plaza Botero is an open area next to a museum and metro station in central Medellin. It is just a very busy part of downtown Medellin. If you are looking for chicas you have to go to some of the adjoining streets sometimes, or certain parts of the area. If there are 20,000 people in the area only a few of them have anything to do the sex business.

In the part of Santa Fe that is talked about here, in Bogota, the business of the area is mostly about sex. The sex business, and other businesses that help support that, such as hairdressing salons, short term hotels, restaurants / cafes, bars.

Many thanks to genuine contributors. Always a good idea not to feed the trolls.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2596871]They won't let you on the flight if you don't have a test from the last 3 days. So if you've been in Colombia 3 days or more, that means you need to get tested in Colombia.

As for your idea that being a student makes you unable to tell lies, that's so ridiculous. I know some people put educational institutions on pedestals but this is just a whole new level of that. People go to school to have better job prospects. It doesn't make them a more honest person. Hell, a lot of the time it doesn't even make them any smarter.[/QUOTE]This is great news, I thought I needed to be vaccinated to travel. Is the test that long swab that goes all the way up your nose or do they have a new less test that more comfortable?

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2596625]Out of curiosity:

Why 15 years always in Santa Fe and not in Medellin center plaza Botero? I know plaza Botero is not so inferior to Santa Fe, both in the beauty of the girls and in the quantity of girls. Plus Medellin has a better climate than Bogota. Some people insist on Santa Fe. My question is just to understand better.[/QUOTE]I am not really a big monger. I date tons of normal chicks and if I find the time between them, I will head out to monger. I am not saying that I specifically or exclusively go to Santa Fe. It is just that I have been to Bogota over 100 times and only been to Medellin like 6 times. I know Medellin and have stayed outside of the Botero area only once (when I stayed at San Peter in Laureles February last year right before Covid).

I am just not a big Medellin guy. I recommend it to other people, but it does not call out to me like Barranquilla and Bogota. I absolutely hate the coldness of Bogota by the way. It is torture to me, but I can not stay away.

That being said, Santa Fe is way bigger than Botero and has tons more chicks without even counting the ones in the clubs there. Walking with MM the other day, he thought the Santa Fe chicks ended where the gay dudes start. I showed him there was an entirely different 2 block section of chicks past the gay dudes.

To do Botero, including Degreiff, it will take about 15 minutes. To do Santa Fe, without the clubs, it will take just under 1 hour.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2596871]As for your idea that being a student makes you unable to tell lies, that's so ridiculous. I know some people put educational institutions on pedestals but this is just a whole new level of that. [b]People go to school to have better job prospects.[/b] It doesn't make them a more honest person. Hell, a lot of the time it doesn't even make them any smarter.[/QUOTE]To go off on a tangent, when I started my MBA, at orientation the guy went around and asked people why they were there. Most tried to give the politically correct answer to get more knowledge and shit. When he finished taking responses he said bullshit. MBA stands for More Bank Account. If you are here for something other than making more money, then you are here for the wrong reason.

Anybody can buy and read the same books from any education program. The purpose of higher education is to develop and sharpen critical thinking skills. That is something you need to be around leaders and peers for and can not get from just reading the books.

As a guy that wants to take a mongering vacation to Colombia, where would be the best place for mongering, I was thinking Bogota, Barranquilla or Medellin but my friend is trying to convince me to stay in Cartagena. I see that Cartagena is beautiful with high rise buildings on the water, but I'd like to know how's the mongering scene compared to the other three places I mentioned?? Or more importantly where would be a good stop for my first visit in Colombia??

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2597184]I am just not a big Medellin guy. I recommend it to other people, but it does not call out to me like Barranquilla and Bogota. I absolutely hate the coldness of Bogota by the way. It is torture to me, but I can not stay away.[/QUOTE]To some, I may seem like a troll for the many questions I ask. But I didn't consider what they say. I know what I want and only I know what I want to do. And if I ask questions it's just to understand. I am eager to understand in order to be able to build my best trip, as I will only have 20 days of completely free time.

I don't know why you think Medellin is more for other people. Yet in Medellin there is everything, beyond Plaza Botero. There are countless "casas" that even Bogota doesn't have. You can also agree with a girl in the "casa" and make her come to your hotel. Then there is also another option in Medellin that you haven't mentioned. There is "Mayorista"! Have you ever gone there? An open-air brothel. You can stop any girl on the street and agree with her on everything.

I would be curious to know which people Medellin is suitable for.

But I repeat, I don't give a damn about all these options because I'm looking for a regular girl or two for a long time. Hit and run doesn't interest me at all.

You say you hate the weather in Bogota, but I don't think it rains much in September. Maybe it's just a little cool. I, on the other hand, would hate the climate of Barranquilla. It is in a valley that suffocates this city. If you stay 20 days in Barranquilla. I think the heat is asphyxiating and the breath is bad. I also believe that you should lose 10 kg. Ahahahahah I've never been to Bogota but I think the cold weather doesn't bother me too much. It could bother me at 2,640 meters high and it could make my cock, already a little limp, go limp.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2596458]I'm sorry but I still do not understand. But I will do the Covide-19 test backwards in my country. What does the test in Colombia have to do with it? They will request the test from me when I am in my home country. Quite right?[/QUOTE]Wrong.

You have had an explanation for this and you keep denying it. If your home country is United States, or Canada, or UK, or many other places you cannot go there unless you have a test before you flly.

I don't know what country you come from, and that may be true for it, but for many places you cannot get on the plane to fly there without a negative Covid test.

I can confirm what another user posted earlier the " Okios infinitum " Building in chapinero (5874 Caracas) which is the site of several airbnb's is GF. I asked several hosts and they all said yes. The one that I am staying at the owner knew exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned and told me straight up it was no problem to bring women upstairs as long as we did not disturb other residents.

[QUOTE=Jny88;2597254]As a guy that wants to take a mongering vacation to Colombia, where would be the best place for mongering, I was thinking Bogota, Barranquilla or Medellin but my friend is trying to convince me to stay in Cartagena. I see that Cartagena is beautiful with high rise buildings on the water, but I'd like to know how's the mongering scene compared to the other three places I mentioned?? Or more importantly where would be a good stop for my first visit in Colombia??[/QUOTE]My opinion is that Cartagena is an overrated tourist trap. I suggest either Bogota or Medellin and to use online sites like Mileroticos and Skokka. I prefer to avoid chaotic places like what Santa Fe must be like at night.

But these are just my opinions.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2597304]To some, I may seem like a troll for the many questions I ask. But I didn't consider what they say. I know what I want and only I know what I want to do. And if I ask questions it's just to understand. I am eager to understand in order to be able to build my best trip, as I will only have 20 days of completely free time.[/QUOTE]Dude. You have 20 days so there is no problem for you to check out both. 2 months ago when I had 20 days I went to Barranquilla, Santa Marta, Pereira, Medellin, and Bogota. Go see for yourself and report your findings and opinions.

[QUOTE=Jny88;2597254]As a guy that wants to take a mongering vacation to Colombia, where would be the best place for mongering, I was thinking Bogota, Barranquilla or Medellin but my friend is trying to convince me to stay in Cartagena. I see that Cartagena is beautiful with high rise buildings on the water, but I'd like to know how's the mongering scene compared to the other three places I mentioned?? Or more importantly where would be a good stop for my first visit in Colombia??[/QUOTE]All 3 have good quality, Cartagena and Medellin do not have the quantity that Bogota has and they are more expensive.

Medellin has so many stupid gringos living there making everything cost more.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2597304]To some, I may seem like a troll for the many questions I ask. But I didn't consider what they say. I know what I want and only I know what I want to do. And if I ask questions it's just to understand. I am eager to understand in order to be able to build my best trip, as I will only have 20 days of completely free time.

I don't know why you think Medellin is more for other people. Yet in Medellin there is everything, beyond Plaza Botero. There are countless "casas" that even Bogota doesn't have. You can also agree with a girl in the "casa" and make her come to your hotel. Then there is also another option in Medellin that you haven't mentioned. There is "Mayorista"! Have you ever gone there? An open-air brothel. You can stop any girl on the street and agree with her on everything.

I would be curious to know which people Medellin is suitable for.

But I repeat, I don't give a damn about all these options because I'm looking for a regular girl or two for a long time. Hit and run doesn't interest me at all..[/QUOTE]1. Bogota has casas.

2. At night in Bogota the temperature can drop as low as 7°see. Many hotels and apartments don't have heat.

3. Mayorista in Medellin, technically it's in Itagui, is one block with 10 to 20 working girls, most of them are not very attractive, in my opinion. You can't just stop any girl on the street and agree with her on anything, because, except for the one block nobody on the street is a hooker.

4. Medellin is suitable for the people who prefer Medellin. Bogota is suitable for the people who prefer Bogota. Whether a particular person will prefer a particular city, depends on each individual.

Hey!

I am visiting next week. I have seen that some people have posted girl friendly Airbnb's, but if I rent one without research. How likely are the buildings to allow female guests (maybe one or two a day)? Are they pretty open (in Chapinero)?

Also what is the standard rate I should be offering to girls that are SB's? I don't want to push the rates up bit don't want to low ball them!

And the rate in Santa Fe seems to be around 50 k based on reading. Are the girls there hot? Eager to please?

And how easy is the regular girl scene? Any particular bars or clubs to recommend in that area? (Chapinero).

I will be flying to Bogota for a few days in a few weeks. I have a few questions about this:

Should I rather take a hotel in Santa Fe or in Chapinero (or somewhere else entirely)?

It should preferably be in an area with many nightclubs / strip clubs and brothels of any kind.

In which part of town can I find the prettiest women (for money)? Can you give me some names of the clubs? I read somewhere that prices are cheaper in Santa Fe than in Chapinero. Probably the classiest clubs with the most desirable women are also in this part of town.

Thanks to all who can answer me (English is not my native language).

[QUOTE=Cadillac31;2597592]Hey!

I am visiting next week. I have seen that some people have posted girl friendly Airbnb's, but if I rent one without research. How likely are the buildings to allow female guests (maybe one or two a day)? Are they pretty open (in Chapinero)?

Also what is the standard rate I should be offering to girls that are SB's? I don't want to push the rates up bit don't want to low ball them!

And the rate in Santa Fe seems to be around 50 k based on reading. Are the girls there hot? Eager to please?

And how easy is the regular girl scene? Any particular bars or clubs to recommend in that area? (Chapinero).[/QUOTE]I will be flying to Bogota for a few days in a few weeks. I have a few questions about this:

Should I rather take a hotel in Santa Fe or in Chapinero (or somewhere else entirely)?

It should preferably be in an area with many nightclubs / strip clubs and brothels of any kind.

In which part of town can I find the prettiest women (for money)? Can you give me some names of the clubs? I read somewhere that prices are cheaper in Santa Fe than in Chapinero. Probably the classiest clubs with the most desirable women are also in this part of town.

Thanks to all who can answer me (English is not my native language).

[QUOTE=Djosten;2597656]I will be flying to Bogota for a few days in a few weeks. I have a few questions about this:

Should I rather take a hotel in Santa Fe or in Chapinero (or somewhere else entirely)?

It should preferably be in an area with many nightclubs / strip clubs and brothels of any kind.

In which part of town can I find the prettiest women (for money)? Can you give me some names of the clubs? I read somewhere that prices are cheaper in Santa Fe than in Chapinero. Probably the classiest clubs with the most desirable women are also in this part of town.

Thanks to all who can answer me (English is not my native language).[/QUOTE]Here's a tip-- Copy the last 7 pages or so and run them in Google translate-- All your questions Shall be answered.

My road dog T did it. Between he and Mr E, we decided to fly to Bogota. He heard the women were more fair in complexion and more abundant; so he convinced me to go there and check it out. Mr. E had already made the suggestion for us to do both cities while we were there.

Unfortunately the first day T bought the tickets but he got his cities mixed up. We ended up in Cartagena. We decided to just stay there for the day and go to Bogota the next day. Luckily, I kept my apartment contact and he had rooms available.

Met up the next day with Master Monger and he showed us a few Casas. I like the Casas scene there. My MO will be come to these type of Casas where you can get the chicas number for later business. Offered them 80000 to 100000, tell them if they can make me come quick I have no problem giving an extra 50,000 because that means she was good. There's no need for her to stay I understand she has business to take care of. If she's really good I have a special gift for her. My offers were never turned down I just didn't follow up.

The chicas in the Casas we're not of Dr. Amor level. Some of them were laughable. There wasn't a lot of plastic But there were stretch marks. However overall I would prefer to deal with these types.

Master Monger, formerly of ShenZhen, China, is my blood brother. He showed me the best time with the hottest girls in ShenZhen, ChongPing and China.

I had no idea he moved to Colombia. If this is my brother Master Monger I have to come down to Colombia soon.

[QUOTE=Cadillac31;2597592]Hey!

I am visiting next week. I have seen that some people have posted girl friendly Airbnb's, but if I rent one without research. How likely are the buildings to allow female guests (maybe one or two a day)? Are they pretty open (in Chapinero)?

Also what is the standard rate I should be offering to girls that are SB's? I don't want to push the rates up bit don't want to low ball them!

And the rate in Santa Fe seems to be around 50 k based on reading. Are the girls there hot? Eager to please?

And how easy is the regular girl scene? Any particular bars or clubs to recommend in that area? (Chapinero).[/QUOTE]Airbnb is risky in my view. While there may be some that are ok, most of the ones I asked got very suspicious the minute I'd ask if I could have visitors. They tend to know what's up and usually want all the guest information up front. I rolled the dice one time and ended up getting kicked out half way through after having too many visitors.

Places to get Covid test for return to USA.

Scoll throught to find the city you are in.

This is a comprehensive list of places in Colombia listed by city, giving the webiste, physical location, hours they are open, whether or not you need an appointment, the type of tests offered, the phone number, the turn around time, the price.

[URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/103/COVID-Testing-Locations-in-Colombia.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xavter;2597909]Airbnb is risky in my view. While there may be some that are ok, most of the ones I asked got very suspicious the minute I'd ask if I could have visitors. They tend to know what's up and usually want all the guest information up front. I rolled the dice one time and ended up getting kicked out half way through after having too many visitors.[/QUOTE]Check with the host before you book. That's the only way you will know.

Many Airbnb's are in the homes of the host, or adjoining apartments or suites, and the host may not want his family having chicas parading in and out of their house. Or they have other reasons for not wanting to have sex trade visitors.

Got in late last night due to a flight delay did not get any sleep. After taking care of the usual stuff I needed to do like buying a local sim and Changing some money (Brought a large amount of cash because I was worried for some reason that I would have trouble with my debit card (had no problems at all) I eventually made it down to Santa Fe. I was expecting it to be something like zona note in Tijuana where people had all kinds of scary stories that turned out to be overblown. This was the exact opposite. This was the first time during my time as a monger that I felt in fear of my life. Some guy tried to grab me and then another pointed me out to someone else and started yelling something to him about me then there were a group of guys on motorbikes doing laps around the main area and looking everyone up and down. I ran the fuck out of there. And on top of all of that the girls although some were cute were nothing special will not return. Ever. Will be having escorts come to my airbnb instead.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2595987]Fucking around with Master Monger yesterday and he took me to a spot where you pay 50K to enter and you get to fuck 4 chicks. The chicks come into the room 1 at a time for 20 minute intervals and you have up to 2 hours to get your 50K worth. We got there at 6:40 yesterday and they close at 8, so the guy only charged me 40K. I immediately grabbed a chick and went into a room. She explained to me how it worked. Kissing mouth, tits, pussy 30K extra. Oral without condom 20K extra. Anal 40K extra. Two girls at one time 50K extra. I went bare bones and did not pay extra for anything.

The first girl (Venezuelan) came in CBJ, Fuck. I told her to send the second girl. I was lazy so only got a back and dick massage from her. I told her to send in the third girl. CBJ, Fuck. She sent in the fourth girl and I just got a handjob from her. Good Times. Happy Days.[/QUOTE]Do you have the location of this place? Sounds like a place I would enjoy.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2598016]Check with the host before you book. That's the only way you will know.

Many Airbnb's are in the homes of the host, or adjoining apartments or suites, and the host may not want his family having chicas parading in and out of their house. Or they have other reasons for not wanting to have sex trade visitors.[/QUOTE]Yes I have been doing that, thanks for the input! And also I only look for entire unit, which I assume will be a safer bet.

Has anyone ever stayed here? The location is perfect for a regular tourist, great looking and ratings, and prices great.

I just hope the visitor rules are flex, any one have any ideas? The other options don't seem too ideal.

Here are my top 3 Mileroticos girls from my trip from 21-24:

1: Nikol: [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/nikol-modelo-web-cam-chica-de-categoria-para-clientes-de-buen-gusto/20929824/[/URL].

She was favorite of the girls I saw. She was very pleasant to be around and I enjoyed chatting with her between sessions. She showed up looking very cute, let me take her clothes off, kissed, and started with a BBBJ. I can confirm the girl is the girl in the pics. I have tons of pictures of her on my phone. Really nice pictures. She asked me not to share them, so I won't. She has a tattoo between her breasts (really nice breasts, BTW), but it's very tasteful. I kept her overnight two out of my three nights in Bogota.

2. Thalia: [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/hermoso-cuerpo-natural-esperando-por-tus-divinas-caricias-thalia-nena-19anos/21207428/[/URL].

Looks exactly like the pictures. Very cute. Her breasts are not as big and nice as Nikol's but they were still fun. She has a see-section scar, but I couldn't care less about that. Kissing, BBBJ, DATY, 69 - all on the table. An amazing experience. She was a little more business-like and less personable than Nikol. Barely.

3. Veronica: [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/hola-amor-soy-veronica-una-chica-muy-linda-con-fotos-total-mente-verdaderas/19691273/[/URL].

Her pictures don't leave enough for the imagination. But, she's hotter in person. She was actually very fun. More exciting than the two girls above. Also has a see-section scar. Which I couldn't care less about. Due to some translation mix up (thought she upselling and overcharging, but turns out there was a mix up), we went from oral (amazing), 69, to BBFS. It just happened so fast. Whoops. Well, that's why she wanted that much. I thought she was over charging for BBBJ. I pulled out, let her suck it clean, then shot all over her tits with my nuts in her mouth. Amazing. My only issue with her is that she messaged me after I left saying someone broke into her house and stole her appliances. I suppose it could be true, but I doubt it. She asked for money and offered photos, videos and live chats for money.

My experience with Mileroticos was really good. When I go back, I will probably stick with Mileroticos and avoid clubs and street girls.

Thanks everybody for the tips before my trip.

[QUOTE=Xavter;2597909]Airbnb is risky in my view. While there may be some that are ok, most of the ones I asked got very suspicious the minute I'd ask if I could have visitors. They tend to know what's up and usually want all the guest information up front. I rolled the dice one time and ended up getting kicked out half way through after having too many visitors.[/QUOTE]I have booked BD Bacata apartment Airbnb, very close to Santa Fe, for October stay. This Airbnb apartment is in the tallest tower, and owner does not live there but there is a security person on ground floor. This Airbnb was shared to me as GF friendly.

When I initiated booking request, I had sent a note to the owner not to book it if is not guest friendly. I did not get any response from the owner, but he accepted the booking. So I am crossing my fingers that it is indeed guest friendly.

Has anybody had recent experience with BD Bacata airbnb?

[QUOTE=Xavter;2597909]Airbnb is risky in my view. While there may be some that are ok, most of the ones I asked got very suspicious the minute I'd ask if I could have visitors. They tend to know what's up and usually want all the guest information up front. I rolled the dice one time and ended up getting kicked out half way through after having too many visitors.[/QUOTE]I have hung out with so many members here in AirBnBs they rented near Santa Fe-- Also plenty in the North-.

Bacata and Museo Torre Highrise buildings have some great apartments. Many others around.

Here's a few-- Of course you should inquire before booking.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/18627068?adults=2&children=0&infants=0&check_in=2021-07-23&check_out=2021-07-29&source_impression_id=p3_1629910559_TCeDcqcIMBWwVrmw[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/22049594?adults=2&children=0&infants=0&check_in=2021-07-23&check_out=2021-07-29&source_impression_id=p3_1629910889_EcOQNQPk9F9b%2Fpxv[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/38729203?adults=2&children=0&infants=0&check_in=2021-07-23&check_out=2021-07-29&source_impression_id=p3_1629910964_OBMyUW3NDbVRHX7A[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xavter;2597909]Airbnb is risky in my view. While there may be some that are ok, most of the ones I asked got very suspicious the minute I'd ask if I could have visitors. They tend to know what's up and usually want all the guest information up front. I rolled the dice one time and ended up getting kicked out half way through after having too many visitors.[/QUOTE]I have hung out with so many members here in AirBnBs they rented near Santa Fe-- Also plenty in the North-.

* Bacata and Museo Torre Highrise buildings have some great apartments. Many others Here's a few-- Of course you should inquire before booking.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/18627068?adults=2&children=0&infants=0&check_in=2021-07-23&check_out=2021-07-29&source_impression_id=p3_1629910559_TCeDcqcIMBWwVrmw[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/22049594?adults=2&children=0&infants=0&check_in=2021-07-23&check_out=2021-07-29&source_impression_id=p3_1629910889_EcOQNQPk9F9b%2Fpxv[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/38729203?adults=2&children=0&infants=0&check_in=2021-07-23&check_out=2021-07-29&source_impression_id=p3_1629910964_OBMyUW3NDbVRHX7A[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xavter;2597909]Airbnb is risky in my view. While there may be some that are ok, most of the ones I asked got very suspicious the minute I'd ask if I could have visitors. They tend to know what's up and usually want all the guest information up front. I rolled the dice one time and ended up getting kicked out half way through after having too many visitors.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the rapid questions. But are hotels better then? Any recommendations on GF, nice, reasonable rate hotels in Chapinero, zona G?

[QUOTE=JJ1265;2598019]Got in late last night due to a flight delay did not get any sleep. After taking care of the usual stuff I needed to do like buying a local sim and Changing some money (Brought a large amount of cash because I was worried for some reason that I would have trouble with my debit card (had no problems at all) I eventually made it down to Santa Fe. I was expecting it to be something like zona note in Tijuana where people had all kinds of scary stories that turned out to be overblown. This was the exact opposite. This was the first time during my time as a monger that I felt in fear of my life. Some guy tried to grab me and then another pointed me out to someone else and started yelling something to him about me then there were a group of guys on motorbikes doing laps around the main area and looking everyone up and down. I ran the fuck out of there. And on top of all of that the girls although some were cute were nothing special will not return. Ever. Will be having escorts come to my airbnb instead.[/QUOTE]If you go to SF at night the street is not so great. You should have gone to the clubs-- You would have a different opinion. I have showed dozens of guys around Santa Fe over the last 8 yrs without any problems.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=JJ1265;2598019]This was the first time during my time as a monger that I felt in fear of my life. Some guy tried to grab me and then another pointed me out to someone else and started yelling something to him about me then there were a group of guys on motorbikes doing laps around the main area and looking everyone up and down. I ran the fuck out of there.[/QUOTE]How is your Spanish? You didn't understand what they were saying, right? I think people visiting Santa Fe should have at least an intermediate level of Spanish or hire a Spanish-speaking guide.

[QUOTE=Kerty9;2598069]I have booked BD Bacata apartment Airbnb, very close to Santa Fe, for October stay. This Airbnb apartment is in the tallest tower, and owner does not live there but there is a security person on ground floor. This Airbnb was shared to me as GF friendly.

When I initiated booking request, I had sent a note to the owner not to book it if is not guest friendly. I did not get any response from the owner, but he accepted the booking. So I am crossing my fingers that it is indeed guest friendly.

Has anybody had recent experience with BD Bacata airbnb?[/QUOTE]I have given tours to many guys staying there- Great Area and building-- Many GF friendly. There are Great restaurants and tourist attractions nearby, a great Supermarket in the 1st floor-- Santa Fe is a 10-15 minute walk.

Here's a few-- Of course you should inquire before booking.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1862706...eDcqcIMBWwVrmw[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/2204959...NQPk9F9b%2Fpxv[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/3872920...MyUW3NDbVRHX7A[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2593149]Can someone who's been to Bogota recently let me know about how much time it's taking to go through immigration lately?[/QUOTE]I arrived in Bogota on August 12th at 3:55 AM, on time. I budgeted 90 minutes to exit the airport and did it in 50 minutes. This included a minor CheckMig issue, as it did not save all my information and I had to repeat some Colombia contact info.

All in all, the process was pretty smooth. The airport was the least busy I had seen it in about 6 recent trips there.

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2598058]Here are my top 3 Mileroticos girls from my trip from 21-24:[/QUOTE]Great report Jim! I am curious where you stayed in Bogota.

I'll be arriving at 4:00 am on September 2nd, not expecting much for lineups LOL. It does suck that I can't check in to my hotel until 3:00 pm but I'll find someone to occupy my time haha.

[QUOTE=Guerinto;2598263]I arrived in Bogota on August 12th at 3:55 AM, on time. I budgeted 90 minutes to exit the airport and did it in 50 minutes. This included a minor CheckMig issue, as it did not save all my information and I had to repeat some Colombia contact info.

All in all, the process was pretty smooth. The airport was the least busy I had seen it in about 6 recent trips there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Guerinto;2598263]This included a minor CheckMig issue, as it did not save all my information and I had to repeat some Colombia contact info.[/QUOTE]Did you use Contingency Check-Mig ot the simple Check-Mig? I read Contingency Check-Mig works better because it has the QR?

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2591738]Oh man it seems like a nightmare. Even fully vaccinated people require a test result that is less than 72 hours of your direct flight back to Canada. But doesn't it take up to 3 days to even get test results? Or more for the CRP tests required for travel? Isn't that cutting it pretty close, even with a direct flight? Can I ask where did you get your test, and was it expensive? And how long did it take to get your results? I'd appreciate information from anyone with some insight to offer. Imagine paying hundreds of dollars for a test that isn't ready in time and then not being allowed on your flight. Seems like the Canadian government is trying to defer people from travelling by just burying it's citizens in layers of bureaucracy.

Someone please give me some hope.[/QUOTE]I just returned home from Bogota August 26th, so I will describe what I experienced. I got my PCR test at a Gencell Pharma tent on the same street as Cusco La Parque 93 in Bogota. Provided my passport and personal information and paid 210,000 COP. Process was quick and easy. No appointment needed and the test was not painful and my results were negative. However, they did screw up the date and I had to go back and have them correct it with the lab, adding stress to the process. I took the test at 1:45 PM on the 23rd, which put me 68 hours before departure. However, the lab put a date timestamp of 08/23/2021 00:00 which was very incorrect and put me outside the 72 hour range. Thankfully they corrected it and sent me the correct document. Both times, I received my document by email in less than 24 hours.

No problems at all checking in or using the ArriveCan app. I was prepared and uploaded both my vaccination slips and answered all the questions, including providing a quarantine plan, if required (it was not required as I am fully vaccinated.). I checked in online and that was uneventful.

I had my passport, ArriveCan receipt from my email, my negative PCR test, both proof vaccination slips in paper and digital form and my boarding pass ready for verification at El Dorado. Canada specifies the test result must be in English or French, but with the timestamp screw-up, I did not have time to get a "certified" translation, so I did a Google translate and took a picture of the Spanish / English side by side. Nobody in Bogota or Canada questioned my Spanish form. I had asked for it in English, but Gencell Pharma screwed that up too (twice). I arrived at El Dorado for a 10 AM departure at around 6:25 AM and I whizzed through, so I had over 2. 5 hours to kill. Bought a bottle of Arguardiente to take home and had breakfast at Orleans.

Got to Pearson airspace on time, but due to weather, I got off the plane 90 minutes later, around 6:30 PM or so. Pearson was an absolute shitshow at that time. It took another hour to get out and I actually helped some non-English speakers navigate the process. Staff were quite personable despite the chaos. I had passport, ArriveCan receipt from my email, my negative PCR test, both proof vaccination slips in paper and digital, but they did not ask to see the vaccinations. Again, my Spanish PCR test was not questioned.

I got the green light to exit and was not randomly selected for another Covid test or additional screening. Got my luggage and met my ride to go home. Sucks it takes so long, but I had a great vacation with my Costena novia and her roommate and we enjoyed Cartagena and Bogota together. It was a pretty long day, but I did not want to risk not getting home on my planned date.

The process is not super complicated, but obviously more complicated than whipping out your passport prior to Covid. Yes, it is stressful the first time. My advice would be arrive early at the airport, be organized, do all the steps on time and do not wait to the last minute. Have your paper / digital documentation ready in advance, be personable and be organized and you will be fine. I will probably go back in November, assuming Ontario does not go into another lockdown due to the anti-vaxxers giving Covid a 4th wave here.

I hope this helps. Of course my experience went well because I have been fully vaccinated, have never had Covid and tested negative in Bogota. If you are the same, your experience should be similar or better than mine. I'm sure the process will change some more, but my experience is very current. Any questions, feel free to ask. I am happy to try to help.

[QUOTE=Luminus;2598271]I'll be arriving at 4:00 am on September 2nd, not expecting much for lineups LOL. It does suck that I can't check in to my hotel until 3:00 pm but I'll find someone to occupy my time haha.[/QUOTE]That does suck. I was staying at my novia's place in Bogota and she met me at the airport, so I am fortunate. You can arrange early check-in, especially if you are a repeat customer. If not, just pay an extra day with check-in for September 1st and then tell them you will check in next morning. Unless you are staying in a high end hotel, the extra $60 or so is worth the expense, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2598227]If you go to SF at night the street is not so great. You should have gone to the clubs-- You would have a different opinion. I have showed dozens of guys around Santa Fe over the last 8 yrs without any problems.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]I meant to say SF St scene is Not so great at Late Night. -- But the streets are Excellent 5-10 pm maybe a little later on Wed-Sat-- Sometimes die early-.

Bogota is way less predatory than Mexico any day of the week-- and I think a lot safer than MDE. The Clubs are great late night. I went Thursday and there were a lot of Hot girls at Atonis and Venus-- I'm sure the others were probably good too.

[QUOTE=Guerinto;2598327]That does suck. I was staying at my novia's place in Bogota and she met me at the airport, so I am fortunate. You can arrange early check-in, especially if you are a repeat customer. If not, just pay an extra day with check-in for September 1st and then tell them you will check in next morning. Unless you are staying in a high end hotel, the extra $60 or so is worth the expense, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]I agree. It is worth $60 to me than to wonder around aimlessly for 11 hours. Plus I like my sleep and safety.

Btw, it only sucks if he chooses it to.

Hello fellas,

I just found this forum. I have a good amount of experience in Thailand / Vietnam / Cambodia etc. But this is my first trip to South America and I hadn't even thought about it as a possibility until I book this trip a week ago. I am staying in San Luis outside of Bogota (South) as I got a great deal on a villa and intent to catch up work and reading in the evenings, I am sure its too far to bring girls from the clubs and I'm okay with that as I may stay closer to action later in the trip. My plan is to hit Santa Fe in the days and early evenings. If you fine gentleman have any other recommendations such as Casas?(addresses) or areas of high concentration of massage parlours that you recommend I would be great full anywhere that is good for daytime early evenings before I make my way back to my villa for the night. Also if its not to far to cab a girl there or order one let me know what you think. Cheers GJ.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2598333]I agree. It is worth $60 to me than to wonder around aimlessly for 11 hours. Plus I like my sleep and safety.

Btw, it only sucks if he chooses it to.[/QUOTE]We don't know his financial situation, but right now it sucks no matter what. Every direct flight from Toronto to Bogota arrives at 3:55 AM, which is brutal! I totally agree with you though. I trade $60 for sleep every time. I even book the City Express Plus near the airport on the last night before coming home. Takes labor strikes and traffic out of the equation, especially in this Covid era where being late to the airport can cost you your flight home and subsequently possibly screw up the timing on your negative Covid test.

Hoping to fly back to Bogota in November, pick up my novia and then to San Andres for 5 or 6 days.

[QUOTE=Luminus;2598271]I'll be arriving at 4:00 am on September 2nd, not expecting much for lineups LOL. It does suck that I can't check in to my hotel until 3:00 pm but I'll find someone to occupy my time haha.[/QUOTE]If your staying at the hotel I recommended to you, I can make a call and you can check in early at no charge. Let me know.

[QUOTE=Luminus;2598271]I'll be arriving at 4:00 am on September 2nd, not expecting much for lineups LOL. It does suck that I can't check in to my hotel until 3:00 pm but I'll find someone to occupy my time haha.[/QUOTE]Why not just book San Francisco or Oceania for that night? They are only $20 with free breakfast.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2598333]I agree. It is worth $60 to me than to wonder around aimlessly for 11 hours. Plus I like my sleep and safety.

Btw, it only sucks if he chooses it to.[/QUOTE]Another option would be to check into a love motel. It's been awhile since I researched them in Bogota, but I believe there are several that give 6 hours for about 50-60 k. There are some just west of Pussy House.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2598244]How is your Spanish? You didn't understand what they were saying, right? I think people visiting Santa Fe should have at least an intermediate level of Spanish or hire a Spanish-speaking guide.[/QUOTE]I am visiting in October for 2 weeks. I am non-Spanish speaker. I would be afraid to use my Iphone to google-translate in certain areas and situations. I am planning to have woodman's tour, but beyond that I think I could use a wingman / interpreter during my mongering excursions. If the person is a local girl or local guy, and cost is reasonable, it would work out for me. I have found a guy in Medellin for my Medellin trip. I could use one in Bogota too. Please PM me If any one has contact of someone in Bogota.

Do we know what hotels in Chapinero / zona G are girl friendly? The Airbnb route is not working out.

[QUOTE=Guerinto;2598326]I just returned home from Bogota August 26th, so I will describe what I experienced. I got my PCR test at a Gencell Pharma tent on the same street as Cusco La Parque 93 in Bogota. Provided my passport and personal information and paid 210,000 COP. Process was quick and easy. No appointment needed and the test was not painful and my results were negative. However, they did screw up the date and I had to go back and have them correct it with the lab, adding stress to the process. I took the test at 1:45 PM on the 23rd, which put me 68 hours before departure. However, the lab put a date timestamp of 08/23/2021 00:00 which was very incorrect and put me outside the 72 hour range. Thankfully they corrected it and sent me the correct document. Both times, I received my document by email in less than 24 hours.

No problems at all checking in or using the ArriveCan app. I was prepared and uploaded both my vaccination slips and answered all the questions, including providing a quarantine plan, if required (it was not required as I am fully vaccinated.). I checked in online and that was uneventful.

I had my passport, ArriveCan receipt from my email, my negative PCR test, both proof vaccination slips in paper and digital form and my boarding pass ready for verification at El Dorado. Canada specifies the test result must be in English or French, but with the timestamp screw-up, I did not have time to get a "certified" translation, so I did a Google translate and took a picture of the Spanish / English side by side. Nobody in Bogota or Canada questioned my Spanish form. I had asked for it in English, but Gencell Pharma screwed that up too (twice). I arrived at El Dorado for a 10 AM departure at around 6:25 AM and I whizzed through, so I had over 2. 5 hours to kill. Bought a bottle of Arguardiente to take home and had breakfast at Orleans.

Got to Pearson airspace on time, but due to weather, I got off the plane 90 minutes later, around 6:30 PM or so. Pearson was an absolute shitshow at that time. It took another hour to get out and I actually helped some non-English speakers navigate the process. Staff were quite personable despite the chaos. I had passport, ArriveCan receipt from my email, my negative PCR test, both proof vaccination slips in paper and digital, but they did not ask to see the vaccinations. Again, my Spanish PCR test was not questioned.

I got the green light to exit and was not randomly selected for another Covid test or additional screening. Got my luggage and met my ride to go home. Sucks it takes so long, but I had a great vacation with my Costena novia and her roommate and we enjoyed Cartagena and Bogota together. It was a pretty long day, but I did not want to risk not getting home on my planned date.

The process is not super complicated, but obviously more complicated than whipping out your passport prior to Covid. Yes, it is stressful the first time. My advice would be arrive early at the airport, be organized, do all the steps on time and do not wait to the last minute. Have your paper / digital documentation ready in advance, be personable and be organized and you will be fine. I will probably go back in November, assuming Ontario does not go into another lockdown due to the anti-vaxxers giving Covid a 4th wave here.

I hope this helps. Of course my experience went well because I have been fully vaccinated, have never had Covid and tested negative in Bogota. If you are the same, your experience should be similar or better than mine. I'm sure the process will change some more, but my experience is very current. Any questions, feel free to ask. I am happy to try to help.[/QUOTE]My arrival back at Pearson was more of a nightmare. I too have been fully vaccinated, but had to register and create an account with the company that screens for Covid, and then go through the interview and test and everything. At least an extra hour. The thing is that they kept treating you as if you needed to go the full quarantine route, gave me the kit to do the 8th day test, etc. All the while I was exempt from all of that having been fully vaccinated. I wasn't aware that I was randomly selected even though fully vaccinated. But there was enough chaos in that area that perhaps that was what happened.

Thanks everyone that responded to my post about arriving early. I have a novia that will be meeting me shortly after I arrive so it's all good. That was the reference about finding someone to occupy my time LOL.

Also thanks for the detailed report about returning to Canada, very useful.

Any suggestions for a Sunday (now almost evening)?

I assume Santa Fe is always open, but with limited pickings. Is Mezzanine open? Any other suggestions?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Cm6363;2598648]Any suggestions for a Sunday (now almost evening)?

I assume Santa Fe is always open, but with limited pickings. Is Mezzanine open? Any other suggestions?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I've found that Santa Fe is pretty good every night except Monday night when it's pretty dead. Week days versus weekends is a double edged sword though. The top talent generally only comes out on weekends but then you'll be fighting with the locals to pull the hottest girls. The hottest girls will usually be sitting with locals and giving lap dances all night. On week days it's mostly regular Venezuelan girls who are there every night of the week without a break. But at least they are easy to pull on week days as most of the locals are just there to drink and don't pull too much.

Mezzanine is open in the northern part of town. In google maps its called "Ababellas de la 104", crs. 15## 104-03, it's across the intersection from Dann Carlton Hotel, not to be confused with Casa Dann Carlton Hotel and Spa. When I went about a week ago it was mostly ugly girls. There's four small apartments with 3 girls each. When I walked passed the first door they tried to pull me into a room with a really ugly girl as fast as possible. I made an excuse that it was my first time there and I wanted to look around first. I walked to the second door and it opened to more ugly girls. When I walked past the third door they only opened it a crack but I was able to glimpse a pretty hot girl there. After checking out door 4 and not being impressed, I went back to the third door.

They tried to put me with one of the ugly girls but I asked if I could get with the hot girl and they said ok. This girl was very tall and slim with very long legs. She looked really hot with a black leather skirt. The rate was 100 K COP for one hour in a tiny room with small bed. She gives you an oil back rub for first 15 minutes, then starts a hand job. After that it's full service although no BBBJ. This girl was hot and I spent a lot of time just fingering her while she gave me a hand job. We went over time about 30 minutes so I gave her a 50 K for the time and another 50 K for the great service. I overpaid but was just really happy with the session. It could have turned out really bad if the girl in the first room was able to trap me in there. I wouldn't session with most of the girls in this place even if it was free.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2598351]Why not just book San Francisco or Oceania for that night? They are only $20 with free breakfast.[/QUOTE]Or IBIS hotel or Tequendema for a little higher end and still pretty close to the action. Just stayed at Tequendema for the first time and was pretty happy with it. Nice rooms and fast internet since I was working in the daytime. Just don't go the restaurant at this hotel for lunch or dinner unless you have several hours to kill. I think all hotels are understaffed now but the wait time was ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Blade2001;2598758]Or IBIS hotel or Tequendema for a little higher end[/QUOTE]Would you be kind enough to tell where exactly they are? I opened Google map and saw that Tequendema hotel is at west of Santa Fe, but very close. In fact, after a few minutes of walking you will arrive at Calle 24 in Santa Fe.

The Ibis hotel is located far north of Santa Fe. Even far north of Chapinero.

This is what you see on the Google map.

Could you please explain where exactly those hotels are located?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2599006]Would you be kind enough to tell where exactly they are? I opened Google map and saw that Tequendema hotel is at west of Santa Fe, but very close. In fact, after a few minutes of walking you will arrive at Calle 24 in Santa Fe.

The Ibis hotel is located far north of Santa Fe. Even far north of Chapinero.

This is what you see on the Google map.

Could you please explain where exactly those hotels are located?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You're looking at the wrong Ibis hotel. It's Ibis Museo that he's talking about.

[QUOTE=Blade2001;2598758]Or IBIS hotel or Tequendema for a little higher end and still pretty close to the action. Just stayed at Tequendema for the first time and was pretty happy with it. Nice rooms and fast internet since I was working in the daytime.[/QUOTE]This is not 'higher end'.

The Tequendama at this point is like a morgue. That place is a dinosaur, with much of the retail gone, except for jewelry stores and the coffeeshop. Even so, we like and seek out these kind of places for the faded, grand old style. But because of street noise from the antiquated and disrepaired windows, the Tequendama is a one nighter and gone -- gone across the street to the modern enough and thoroughly charmless Ibis.

[QUOTE=Blade2001;2598755]Mezzanine is open in the northern part of town. When I walked passed the first door they tried to pull me into a room with a really ugly girl as fast as possible. It could have turned out really bad if the girl in the first room was able to trap me in there. I wouldn't session with most of the girls in this place even if it was free.[/QUOTE]Might have missed out on the best session of your life running from those ugly chicks.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2599006]Would you be kind enough to tell where exactly they are? I opened Google map and saw that Tequendema hotel is at west of Santa Fe, but very close. In fact, after a few minutes of walking you will arrive at Calle 24 in Santa Fe.

The Ibis hotel is located far north of Santa Fe. Even far north of Chapinero.

This is what you see on the Google map.

Could you please explain where exactly those hotels are located?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hotel ibis Bogota Museo is the exact name on Google Maps and is located at Transversal 6 No 27 - 85 Centro Internacional. I have stayed there and I had zero issues. Is basic and my room was clean. It is a short walk from the Santa Fe action.

I've always thought Colombian Women were the most beautiful in the world and they are gorgeous but the most attractive ones here in Bogota I've met have all been Venezuelan. Damn. I knew they were also great looking but they actually stand out from the local girls every time I ask a girl that I find attractive where they are from its always Venezuela. I met a gorgeous one from Caracas Yesterday at a bar near Santa Fe. Brought her back to my airbnb for 3 hours in Chapinero which is completely GF they didn't even ask her for an ID. Security just asked me if she was with me and said no problem. Was supposed to be 1 hour but ended up being 3 as she was so hot. Overpaid by local prices and I know I am going to get hate for this but I also simped out and I offered to buy her something from the supermarket next door on the way out as I needed to get a few things for myself. Of course she took advantage and bought like $20 worth of shit. But 3 hours of GFE and massage and BBBJ plus pics and cab fare was still less than $100 USD. She also loved the view from my apartment and spent like 20 minutes taking selfies LOL basically begged to stay the night and said she would stay until 9 am for what started at 400 K then 300 K and probably could have gone less (Which I think is Fair regardless as It was 4 PM) because she liked the Airbnb but I was tired and had other things to do going to meet up with her again before I leave.

[QUOTE=Cadillac31;2598382]Do we know what hotels in Chapinero / zona G are girl friendly? The Airbnb route is not working out.[/QUOTE]Why not? I've messaged 3 hosts so far and gotten 3 replies pretty quick, all saying guests are fine. At first I was embarrassed to ask but then I realized all that shows is my first name and all I'm asking is if I can bring guests back. It's not like I'm outing myself publicly as a monger and even if they assume that I am, that's even better because then I don't have to feel bad for not explicitly saying "hookers" instead of "guests". But are you asking them if you're allowed to bang hookers in their home? Or are you worried that they're going to give you a bad review if you do or something? I feel like if they say guests are allowed and you guys aren't too loud, then there shouldn't be a problem. If security gives you a problem just show them the email of the host saying it's OK. Or look for a place with a private entrance. I'm not so much giving advice as putting my thoughts out there for other people to point out any potential flaws. Am I missing something? People on here talk about tipping security when they bring a guest. Seems a bit unnecessary if you've already got the ok but then again I haven't been to Bogota yet so I can't say for sure what the vibe is. I feel like it would only be a potential problem if she was dressed so that it was 100% certain she was a hooker, which I'm guessing most girls don't do when doing outcalls.

Arrive Bog. 11 PM, Stay at B30 Virrey, modern, clean, breakfast incl / girl friendly. 3 buildings and. From the park. Around $45. Stay ⅘ days. Visit Santa Fe, Woodman and a crazy guy who has built out his own condo in the midst of the barrio. (from Indiana) Everyone knows him. FUN Name starts with the letter see. We have to use the club's lookout to know when it is safe to come and go, not to get busted by po po when the clubs (Tryoya, Paisa, Adonis) are closed (around 3 am) next couple days on a mission to find an orthopedic surgeon and some marching powder. Succeeded. That shit is way too strong, never again! Brought 2 SA girls over and one working girl (4 hours) from Santa Fe. Avg price 400 COP (too much but they were HOT) Then it was Colombia Independence day, a few riots on TV, safe where I was. Moved to Dann Carlton which I loved. Girl friendly (across from Mezzanine which is a DIVE) breakfast included. Maybe it was $55/ night. Found a bilingual attorney in SA who visited Dan Carlton 3 times. Drives a Mercedes. I like the 5 star treatment! She has a visa, studied in Barcelona. Drove me around a little. Thank God xyztravel was waiting for me in Medellin or I would have proposed to that girl. LOL I also spent time with 2 friends who are tour guides (bilingual) in Bog. After 8 days, off to Medellin. To be continued, photos will be posted later. BTW When I say girl friendly, it's probably because these girls were well behaved and jaw dropping. Skanks never will get in Dann Carlton.

You mind sharing link to your Airbnb? Thanks.

[QUOTE=JJ1265;2599155]I've always thought Colombian Women were the most beautiful in the world and they are gorgeous but the most attractive ones here in Bogota I've met have all been Venezuelan. Damn. I knew they were also great looking but they actually stand out from the local girls every time I ask a girl that I find attractive where they are from its always Venezuela. I met a gorgeous one from Caracas Yesterday at a bar near Santa Fe. Brought her back to my airbnb for 3 hours in Chapinero which is completely GF they didn't even ask her for an ID. Security just asked me if she was with me and said no problem. Was supposed to be 1 hour but ended up being 3 as she was so hot. Overpaid by local prices and I know I am going to get hate for this but I also simped out and I offered to buy her something from the supermarket next door on the way out as I needed to get a few things for myself. Of course she took advantage and bought like $20 worth of shit. But 3 hours of GFE and massage and BBBJ plus pics and cab fare was still less than $100 USD. She also loved the view from my apartment and spent like 20 minutes taking selfies LOL basically begged to stay the night and said she would stay until 9 am for what started at 400 K then 300 K and probably could have gone less (Which I think is Fair regardless as It was 4 PM) because she liked the Airbnb but I was tired and had other things to do going to meet up with her again before I leave.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2599235]Thank God xyztravel was waiting for me in Medellin or I would have proposed to that girl.[/QUOTE]You still won't give me her number.

[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2599329]You mind sharing link to your Airbnb? Thanks.[/QUOTE]It's not letting me message you for some reason. I don't mind sharing but I don't want to mess up a good thing by posting it publicly.

[QUOTE=JJ1265;2599155]Brought her back to my airbnb for 3 hours in Chapinero which is completely GF they didn't even ask her for an ID. Security just asked me if she was with me and said no problem.[/QUOTE]Personally, I prefer that security take her cedula, write down her information and if it is their practice, take her picture. Anything to deter sticky hands or worse, being drugged and robbed of everything not in the safe. Consider if you have a chica who has malintent on her mind. Do you think she wants to face Colombian law enforcement if she can be found quite easily with her cedula?

It also avoids the problem of underage chicas posing as older than their age.

GF friendly does not mean lacking in security.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2599123]This is not 'higher end'.

The Tequendama at this point is like a morgue. That place is a dinosaur, with much of the retail gone, except for jewelry stores and the coffeeshop. Even so, we like and seek out these kind of places for the faded, grand old style. But because of street noise from the antiquated and disrepaired windows, the Tequendama is a one nighter and gone -- gone across the street to the modern enough and thoroughly charmless Ibis.[/QUOTE]The Tequendama Suites is a much better and GF.

I went to this place one night with the promise of one of the girls in the pictures they sent. None of the girls or the one I selected was there. All pickings, I took the best looking one out of the bunch (6/10). 100 mil for the hour, one shot. Negotiated to BBBJ.

When I went home I texted the person again and let her know that the girl I wanted was not there. She said just text her when I'm on the way (apparently the doorman didn't know I selected one). They had a hot 18 Venezuelan in the pics but I guess she was busy. I also asked if the one hour included unlimited relations, and this was confirmed. I guess I got conned by the girl in the room, but not a big deal.

I asked her to send the girl I wanted the next day. She did, hot body, very sweet, but seemed not interested, but very compliant with whatever I asked. Body was a 8/10, face was cute. She quoted 120 mil for the visit, I had left that plus tip on the table next to where we sat at the beginning, she didn't take the money until I handed it to her.

Other than that, I've been partaking in Sugar baby play time. I prefer that, it's not much more and a fun time.

Any one have any ideas on how to get bb everything from these girls? Is it okay to just ask to pay more for that? I texted this and most girls seem put off by even the idea.

[QUOTE=Cadillac31;2600529]I went to this place one night with the promise of one of the girls in the pictures they sent.[/QUOTE]This place?

Girls 24/7 Chapinero.

Edificio Gonzales Calle 61 #13-44.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2600579]This place?

Girls 24/7 Chapinero.

Edificio Gonzales Calle 61 #13-44.[/QUOTE]Yep! That's the place. Also, does anyone know any bars to go to where you can pick up working girls or under the radar ladies? Also maybe a regular bar to meet women?

This will be my first visit to Bogota and I'm looking to start out at Nanxingspa or Amorux or Adhara spa. What's the custom on tipping those girls?

[QUOTE=PineTree;2600778]This will be my first visit to Bogota and I'm looking to start out at Nanxingspa or Amorux or Adhara spa. What's the custom on tipping those girls?[/QUOTE]Give whatever you want or don't -- in general locals do not.

Ahh Bogotá. Where do I begin?

El barrio Santa Fe in Bogotá is a monger's paradise. I have a love affair with this place. I think it's the sheer beauty of the chicas, mixed with the grittiness of the calles that infatuates me so much. Many beautiful Venezolanas here. 40 k COP is the going rate. Plenty of street talent and plenty more chicas inside the clubs. I recommend getting a hotel on cra 13 or cra 10 and walking to the zona, I would not recommend staying at a hotel west of Caracas. In my experience it's been easy enough to bring girls back to my hotel (cra 13) for longer sessions for 50 k - 100 k COP. Many great food options nearby too, I highly recommend cra 7 and Calle 19 for restaurants and bars.

I've been here about 7 or 8 times now, and besides Medellin, I've yet to find a better place for mongering, it beats Tijuana or anywhere else in Mexico by a mile.

As far as ATMs go, I'm not sure why no one mentions it but I use Banco Caja Social, with my Capital One debit card I can withdraw money there without paying any fees whatsoever, not from my bank or the ATM and the exchange rate is the best.

[QUOTE=Cadillac31;2600529]Other than that, I've been partaking in Sugar baby play time. I prefer that, it's not much more and a fun time.

Any one have any ideas on how to get bb everything from these girls? Is it okay to just ask to pay more for that? I texted this and most girls seem put off by even the idea.[/QUOTE]The condom companies have done a good job of brainwashing those in Colombia. I have went bareback many times by telling the girls I promise not to cum inside. Most intelligent people who have cured a minor STI/ STD for only a few dollars and in 24 to 48 hours are not afraid of not using a condom. Especially since other major major ones are very difficult to contract. What the girls are deathly afraid of is pregnancy because most girls can barely afford to feed themselves and get little assistance in Colombia.

Add them on Facebook and promise them not to cum inside and they will usually skip the dirty condom. Cancer causing Condoms should be illegal actually. The fact they are not shows the evilness of the world.

If you must wear one the super delgado one from DuRex isn't bad. The Air 2 is better but not available in Colombia.

Happy mongering,

MM.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2601022]Ahh Bogot. Where do I begin?

El barrio Santa Fe in Bogot is a monger's paradise. I have a love affair with this place. I think it's the sheer beauty of the chicas, mixed with the grittiness of the calles that infatuates me so much. Many beautiful Venezolanas here. 40 k COP is the going rate. Plenty of street talent and plenty more chicas inside the clubs. I recommend getting a hotel on cra 13 or cra 10 and walking to the zona, I would not recommend staying at a hotel west of Caracas. In my experience it's been easy enough to bring girls back to my hotel (cra 13) for longer sessions for 50 k - 100 k COP. Many great food options nearby too, I highly recommend cra 7 and Calle 19 for restaurants and bars.

I've been here about 7 or 8 times now, and besides Medellin, I've yet to find a better place for mongering, it beats Tijuana or anywhere else in Mexico by a mile.

As far as ATMs go, I'm not sure why no one mentions it but I use Banco Caja Social, with my Capital One debit card I can withdraw money there without paying any fees whatsoever, not from my bank or the ATM and the exchange rate is the best.[/QUOTE]Do you think this is the right hotel for a nice journey in.

Santa Fe? Or would you prefer another one and why?

Hotel Oceanía Bogotá (I am asking about this one).

[QUOTE=Djosten;2601164]Hotel Oceana Bogot (I am asking about this one).[/QUOTE]Yes. I stay there sometimes when I am with a chick that is not a hooker, but for each additional person besides, you have to pay 54,000 in advance.

[QUOTE=Djosten;2601161]Do you think this is the right hotel for a nice journey in.

Santa Fe? Or would you prefer another one and why?[/QUOTE]I have one very near my hotel, did you notice how far off they are from the official exchange rate?

[QUOTE=Djosten;2601161]Do you think this is the right hotel for a nice journey in.

Santa Fe? Or would you prefer another one and why?[/QUOTE]You probably wouldn't like the hotel I stay at, it's cheap but it's lacking of hot water and the TV is a small crt type TV from the 90's. If your trying to stay close to Santa Fe I would recommend Hotel Europa on cra 13 and calle 23.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2601205]I have one very near my hotel, did you notice how far off they are from the official exchange rate?[/QUOTE]Always decline the exchange rate that the ATM offers you, then by default it will charge you in COP and your bank does the conversion rate (which for me is always pretty close to the official exchange rate). This is true at any bank ATM that you go to in any country. Never be afraid to hit decline when it offers you a conversion rate.

[QUOTE=Djosten;2601164]Hotel Oceana Bogot (I am asking about this one).[/QUOTE]I haven't stayed there personally, but I have walked past it many times. 54 k to bring a girl up to your room sounds pricey tho. At Hotel Europa I believe it's 25 k extra and the rooms are nice. If your on a super tight budget and want to save money check out Hotel Bogotá and Hotel de Lujo.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2601022]As far as ATMs go, I'm not sure why no one mentions it but I use Banco Caja Social, with my Capital One debit card I can withdraw money there without paying any fees whatsoever[/QUOTE]For whatever reason, none of my debit cards worked at their ATMs. BBVA, Colpatria, and Davidienda apparently all have no fees on their side, I've used the first two so far, and had the same issue I did w/ Caja Social. This is a good comparison: [URL]https://asocialnomad.com/colombia/atms-fees-in-colombia/[/URL].

I'm in country at the moment and will put together my thoughts once I get home as I have a bit more to do, but very positive impressions so far.

I do not have any debit card, and will not use my US credit card. I do not have bank account that I can use in Colombia.

I have Bluebird Amex Prepaid card but I am not sure Moneypass network works on Colombian ATM. Anybody has used moneypass network with any ATM?

I will have to rely on converting American dollar bills to COP. Need help how best to do it at better exchange rate and at which locations.

I will get some currency at airport, but do they offer good exchange rate at airport?

I'm back in the you. S now. Loved Bogota but was surprised about the lack of foreigners. In 9 days I only heard 1 person speaking English. Met the Venezuelan from my earlier post again the day before I left. The return process was much easier than expected got my COVID Test at some hospital in Zona T for 110 K pesos. Flew back on Jetblue and they were very annoying and searched my bag and found my water bottle that I had filled up at a water fountain in the airport and followed me onto the plane to make sure I poured it out. This reminded me on why I never use you. S carriers to fly internationally but I had some credit from a cancelled flight last year so I got the tickets for cheap I also found an ATM inside the building where my AIRBNB was that let you take out 1. 9 mil. Wish I would have found it earlier in my trip (all the other ones let me take 900 k max) I would have stayed longer but the apartment I was staying at is booked up until the end of the month and I didn't want to change places. Already thinking about returning at the end of the month as airfare is cheap from up here.'

[QUOTE=JJ1265;2601599]I'm back in the you. S now. Loved Bogota but was surprised about the lack of foreigners. In 9 days I only heard 1 person speaking English. Met the Venezuelan from my earlier post again the day before I left. The return process was much easier than expected got my COVID Test at some hospital in Zona T for 110 K pesos. Flew back on Jetblue and they were very annoying and searched my bag and found my water bottle that I had filled up at a water fountain in the airport and followed me onto the plane to make sure I poured it out. This reminded me on why I never use you. S carriers to fly internationally but I had some credit from a cancelled flight last year so I got the tickets for cheap I also found an ATM inside the building where my AIRBNB was that let you take out 1. 9 mil. Wish I would have found it earlier in my trip (all the other ones let me take 900 k max) I would have stayed longer but the apartment I was staying at is booked up until the end of the month and I didn't want to change places. Already thinking about returning at the end of the month as airfare is cheap from up here.'[/QUOTE]ATM with 900 k limit is per transaction, just withdraw 900 k remove card & repeat, did it at airport when I landed no problem at all.

Why are you annoyed with the airline when you tried to break the rules bringing a water bottle through?

[QUOTE=IrishA;2600220]The Tequendama Suites is a much better and GF.[/QUOTE]This is good to know. I accidentally had the uber drop me off at Tequendama Suites but then had to have staff help me walk to Tequendama Hotel, which is about a half block away. The two hotels are connected by a long hallway. I'll likely try Tequendama Suites next time.

[QUOTE=JJ1265;2601599]Flew back on Jetblue and they were very annoying and searched my bag and found my water bottle that I had filled up at a water fountain in the airport and followed me onto the plane to make sure I poured it out. This reminded me on why I never use you. S carriers to fly internationally [/QUOTE]Your anger is misdirected. You have a beef with the US government, not the US airlines. The US govt makes the rules for all flights going to the USA.

[QUOTE=JJ1265;2601599]Flew back on Jetblue and they were very annoying and searched my bag and found my water bottle that I had filled up at a water fountain in the airport and followed me onto the plane to make sure I poured it out. This reminded me on why I never use you. S carriers to fly internationally but I had some credit from a cancelled flight last year so I got the tickets for cheap.[/QUOTE]JJ,

It is not Jet Blue. I do not know why the fuck some airlines take the liquids from you before you get on the flight. I have no fucking clue. I have flown United once and had them take away liquids and another time did not. Spirit did the same thing. I do not recall American searching for liquids though, but it is so hit or miss, I cannot swear they do not.

Yeah, we all know to not bring liquids through security but when you buy it in the airport? I do not get taking that away. It is a five, six hour flight and you are restricting people from bringing on liquids? That seems like a health hazard and really stupid to me. It would be one thing if the flights provided free beverages, but most do not now.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2601924]Your anger is misdirected. You have a beef with the US government, not the US airlines. The US govt makes the rules for all flights going to the USA.[/QUOTE]Although a small problem but one that is one of my favorite pet peeves is that you can buy a drink after you pass security and buy your drink directly across from gate 34 they still take your drink away from you in the jet way before you board. It only happens in Colombia to my knowledge. Part of my diet is to hydrate constantly, giving the fact most airline, Jetblue, Delta all stopped the water bottles and now only give you a small plastic cup of water is a pain in the ass.

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;2601888]ATM with 900 k limit is per transaction, just withdraw 900 k remove card & repeat, did it at airport when I landed no problem at all.

Why are you annoyed with the airline when you tried to break the rules bringing a water bottle through?[/QUOTE]But AFTER you pass security you can buy water inside, the near the gate and bring it onto the plan with no problem EXCEPT Bogota, it's not just Jetblue but Delta too, see my post below. Save your money and don't buy drinks to take on the plane with you in El Dorado, They have been doing it for my last half dozen trips this year.

I spent so much money on chaturbate trying to line up some chicas for my trip. I honestly can't say that I'm feeling very confident than any of them will meet me, and I'm 100% confident that some of the ones I spent a lot on will not meet me. Really hammers home the phrase that the only honest women are prostitutes. I know I'm an idiot so there's no need to tell me. That money could have been spent so much better on my trip. And maybe a couple of them will meet with me and make it worth the money I wasted on the ones who won't, but I'm not going to hold my breath. There was a guy on here insisting that it's a decent way to meet women despite everyone saying it's not, and I regret ever reading that post. I really don't think it is a good way (I guess I'll find out soon enough). Most girls will say what you want to hear in an attempt to get tips from you and they are just bottomless pits of want. The more you send, the more they expect. And if they do meet you, it's not because they said they would or to fill their end of the bargain, it's because they hope to keep squeezing more out of the lemon. Maybe there are some girls on there who are sincere, but they're so few and far between that it makes it too risky an endeavour to seek them out. It makes sense that they expect you to send them something to show that you're serious and not a chump, but then it just becomes a slippery slope of exploitation. And they know this but they feign ignorance. Turns out it's not just western women who are manipulative and entitled. I have so much respect for the girls who just straight up say they won't do encounters, even if they're bitches about it.

Anyway I'm not going to stress about that anymore because I've finally booked my trip and I'm excited. Staying in Santa Fe for 5 nights starting October 12th then going up to Chapinero. I found a couple airbnbs that are guest friendly and I want to share them with you guys but I also don't want to blow them up. Sorry. It was kind of a pain in the ass to send messages asking about them and getting kind of ambiguous responses. Not unlike my chaturbate experience, I have respect for the listings that straight up say they don't allow it. It sets the precedent that you should have to have the rule written out for it to be enforced. It would suck to get kicked out or get a bad review because you didn't explicitly say that you planned to bring a bunch of girls over.

So anyway I'm hoping to link up with some of you guys so we can check out Santa Fe at night without worrying about getting stabbed. Send me a PM if you have a subscription or if not I guess just post in the thread at the risk of annoying some people. Just in case I do have to go solo, I made a decoy wallet and I'm going to bring a shitty phone as a decoy too and have my real phone and wallet hidden. Was also thinking about getting some mace, I haven't heard anyone on here talk about whether that's a good idea but apparently it's legal. Anyone know where to buy it down there?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2601963]Although a small problem but one that is one of my favorite pet peeves is that you can buy a drink after you pass security and buy your drink directly across from gate 34 they still take your drink away from you in the jet way before you board. It only happens in Colombia to my knowledge.[/QUOTE]Philippines as well and used to be Thailand when US carriers were going there. Cancun does it too. They would not even let me take a 3 oz bottle of liquid.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2601045]The condom companies have done a good job of brainwashing those in Colombia. I have went bareback many times by telling the girls I promise not to cum inside. Most intelligent people who have cured a minor STI/ STD for only a few dollars and in 24 to 48 hours are not afraid of not using a condom. Especially since other major major ones are very difficult to contract. What the girls are deathly afraid of is pregnancy because most girls can barely afford to feed themselves and get little assistance in Colombia.

Add them on Facebook and promise them not to cum inside and they will usually skip the dirty condom. Cancer causing Condoms should be illegal actually. The fact they are not shows the evilness of the world.

If you must wear one the super delgado one from DuRex isn't bad. The Air 2 is better but not available in Colombia.

Happy mongering,

MM.[/QUOTE]Where do you go besides Santa Fe? Can you give an intermediate Bogota traveler some tips?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2601966]But AFTER you pass security you can buy water inside, the near the gate and bring it onto the plan with no problem EXCEPT Bogota, it's not just Jetblue but Delta too, see my post below. Save your money and don't buy drinks to take on the plane with you in El Dorado, They have been doing it for my last half dozen trips this year.[/QUOTE]Strange, I do always buy water and board with no issue at all and I don't see what rule can prevent us travellers from doing it.

Het everyone, time for an update. Landed in Bogota at 4 am on the 2nd, went up to arrivals and used the ATM, Davivienda did not work with my Scotia Bank card (I'm Canadian), took 1. 000.000 from Servibanca and got charged 16.000 by the ATM, No foreign fees from my bank, almost like Chase for you Americans. I've taken 3 ATM withdrawals so far and when I decline the first rate, the transaction is always cancelled so I start over and just accept the rate, my average is about 200 cop less than the XE posted rate, not good, not bad.

Thursday, Day 1, 6 am, checked into the Oceania close to Santa Fe so that I could get some sleep before moving to my long term hotel. I really like the Oceania, breakfast included, booked for 2 people and was told that I get one free guest at a time, 10.000 cop per each additional guest at the same time. Checked in, ate breakfast and slept for a few hours, then checked out. Uber to Hotel Andes Plaza, 5 minute walk from the Mezzanines.

My novia was being a little weird and did not want to come see me for the first few days, she had to take her kid to school and had classes of her own but was still disappointed. Spent those days just resting from the 14 hours of travel and doing a little recon of my area. Feel totally safe in the areas around the hotel day and night. Met up with the novia Saturday morning and we did the touristy things, (Gold museum, the plaza, Quevedo's jet.) when having lunch she asked if I planned to have sex with other women. This was a topic we discussed before and honesty has always been our motto, even when it hurts the other so I said yes. She said to be careful, don't kiss and wear a condom and now we are just friends LOL. Returned to my hotel and she went home.

Saturday afternoon. Went to the Mezzanines, the doors are not numbered correctly or sequentially or even at all LOL. Kept walking down the hall and second last door had a stunner, went in and inside the door was a number 11 so I guess that was where I was. Quoted 90 K for 1 hour, massage, CBJ CFS, took it with the stunner who was also the mamma san of the room, Sara was her name. She was amazing and probably one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen in my life, I left satisfied.

Sunday around 7 pm. Back to the Mezzanines, saw a cutie on the second door after the corner (no number on the door), Quoted 100.000 cop for 1 hour massage, CBJ, CFS. Really liked the look of Tatiana so I accepted, one of the best sessions of my career, I liked it so much I asked her if she worked outside of the Mezz and got her WhatsApp. Haven't used it yet, maybe I message her today (Wednesday), it's raining on and off and was thinking of relaxing today.

Monday I spent all day running around trying to get a unlocked phone that I brought from Canada to work in Colombia. Went to 3 different provider for them all to tell me that yes the phone is unlocked and they don't know why their sim card won't activate in my phone. Finally the guy at a Movistar said the yes it's unlocked but that particular phone is blocked in Colombia. Cheapest smart phone he had was 690.000 cop, I passed. Found a large Claro store, got a Samsung A02 for 400.000 cop and 10.000 cop for a 2 gb data package. Topped up the data using Xoom and should be good for the rest of my trip. Did not partake, it was an all day event getting the phone.

Tuesday. Uber to Hotel Oceania and walked to Santa Fe, spend a lot of time walking around looking the the talent. One thing to note, the volume of underage girls is staggering so please be diligent asking for ID you you could be in trouble. Stopped on a corner just to observe and saw a little spinner that was smoking a joint with her friend, she kept looking at me and smiling and looking away, seemed friendlier than her friend. When she finished her joint I motioned her over, full service for 40 K room included. Off we go, gave great head (covered), amazing little body said she was a Paisa from Medellin, probably a 6 but cute in my book. Started going in quatro and then the knock came, totally killed my boner LOL, still had a great time with her. Back on the street, found a little bar a few doors from the room she took me to that had 3 K Poker beer, had 2 and people watched and chatted with the bartender, he spoke perfect English and was from Venezuela. Walked around some more and found a street soccer game in front of a cafe, had a pastry and a coffee and watched the game. Walked back to the Oceania and ordered an Uber around 5 before it got dark. I felt totally safe in Santa Fe during the day but as evening was approaching I could feel the mood shift a bit. Just be aware of your surroundings and don't let people into your personal space. I think after I go back a few more times I would feel safe at night, just stay alert. Freshened up in my room and back to the Mezzanines around 7, most doors closed, room 11 from before was open and Sara and one other girl were there. Just wanted a wet sloppy blowjob and picked the other girl for variety, 60 K total and very satisfied.

Wednesday, today. It's raining on and off, contemplating on going to a mall for the day or maybe trying Photoprepagos or WhatsApping Tatiana from the Mezz.

I know it's long and many parts are not related to the sport but wanted to tell everything from my first trip in the hopes it helps someone. I'm here till the 16th then off to Medellin for 2 weeks. Then to the Amazon then Cucuta then back to Bogota for a week before heading home. My P. M's are open if anyone has a specific question or want's my Colombian WhatsApp number to meet and have a beer.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Luminus;2602140]Het everyone, time for an update. Landed in Bogota at 4 am on the 2nd, went up to arrivals and used the ATM, Davivienda did not work with my Scotia Bank card (I'm Canadian), took 1. 000.000 from Servibanca and got charged 16.000 by the ATM, No foreign fees from my bank, almost like Chase for you Americans. I've taken 3 ATM withdrawals so far and when I decline the first rate, the transaction is always cancelled so I start over and just accept the rate, my average is about 200 cop less than the XE posted rate, not good, not bad.

Thursday, Day 1, 6 am, checked into the Oceania close to Santa Fe so that I could get some sleep before moving to my long term hotel. I really like the Oceania, breakfast included, booked for 2 people and was told that I get one free guest at a time, 10.000 cop per each additional guest at the same time. Checked in, ate breakfast and slept for a few hours, then checked out. Uber to Hotel Andes Plaza, 5 minute walk from the Mezzanines.

My novia was being a little weird and did not want to come see me for the first few days, she had to take her kid to school and had classes of her own but was still disappointed. Spent those days just resting from the 14 hours of travel and doing a little recon of my area. Feel totally safe in the areas around the hotel day and night. Met up with the novia Saturday morning and we did the touristy things, (Gold museum, the plaza, Quevedo's jet.) when having lunch she asked if I planned to have sex with other women. This was a topic we discussed before and honesty has always been our motto, even when it hurts the other so I said yes. She said to be careful, don't kiss and wear a condom and now we are just friends LOL. Returned to my hotel and she went home.

Saturday afternoon. Went to the Mezzanines, the doors are not numbered correctly or sequentially or even at all LOL. Kept walking down the hall and second last door had a stunner, went in and inside the door was a number 11 so I guess that was where I was. Quoted 90 K for 1 hour, massage, CBJ CFS, took it with the stunner who was also the mamma san of the room, Sara was her name. She was amazing and probably one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen in my life, I left satisfied.

Sunday around 7 pm. Back to the Mezzanines, saw a cutie on the second door after the corner (no number on the door), Quoted 100.000 cop for 1 hour massage, CBJ, CFS. Really liked the look of Tatiana so I accepted, one of the best sessions of my career, I liked it so much I asked her if she worked outside of the Mezz and got her WhatsApp. Haven't used it yet, maybe I message her today (Wednesday), it's raining on and off and was thinking of relaxing today.

Monday I spent all day running around trying to get a unlocked phone that I brought from Canada to work in Colombia. Went to 3 different provider for them all to tell me that yes the phone is unlocked and they don't know why their sim card won't activate in my phone. Finally the guy at a Movistar said the yes it's unlocked but that particular phone is blocked in Colombia. Cheapest smart phone he had was 690.000 cop, I passed. Found a large Claro store, got a Samsung A02 for 400.000 cop and 10.000 cop for a 2 gb data package. Topped up the data using Xoom and should be good for the rest of my trip. Did not partake, it was an all day event getting the phone.

Tuesday. Uber to Hotel Oceania and walked to Santa Fe, spend a lot of time walking around looking the the talent. One thing to note, the volume of underage girls is staggering so please be diligent asking for ID you you could be in trouble. Stopped on a corner just to observe and saw a little spinner that was smoking a joint with her friend, she kept looking at me and smiling and looking away, seemed friendlier than her friend. When she finished her joint I motioned her over, full service for 40 K room included. Off we go, gave great head (covered), amazing little body said she was a Paisa from Medellin, probably a 6 but cute in my book. Started going in quatro and then the knock came, totally killed my boner LOL, still had a great time with her. Back on the street, found a little bar a few doors from the room she took me to that had 3 K Poker beer, had 2 and people watched and chatted with the bartender, he spoke perfect English and was from Venezuela. Walked around some more and found a street soccer game in front of a cafe, had a pastry and a coffee and watched the game. Walked back to the Oceania and ordered an Uber around 5 before it got dark. I felt totally safe in Santa Fe during the day but as evening was approaching I could feel the mood shift a bit. Just be aware of your surroundings and don't let people into your personal space. I think after I go back a few more times I would feel safe at night, just stay alert. Freshened up in my room and back to the Mezzanines around 7, most doors closed, room 11 from before was open and Sara and one other girl were there. Just wanted a wet sloppy blowjob and picked the other girl for variety, 60 K total and very satisfied.

Wednesday, today. It's raining on and off, contemplating on going to a mall for the day or maybe trying Photoprepagos or WhatsApping Tatiana from the Mezz.

I know it's long and many parts are not related to the sport but wanted to tell everything from my first trip in the hopes it helps someone. I'm here till the 16th then off to Medellin for 2 weeks. Then to the Amazon then Cucuta then back to Bogota for a week before heading home. My P. M's are open if anyone has a specific question or want's my Colombian WhatsApp number to meet and have a beer.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Glad you're having fun! I just returned to Canada on August 26th. If you can do without a Colombian cell number, I recommend GigSky for data. You don't have access to your Canadian number while you are gone, but it is fairly inexpensive for 5 GB. I just tell my Canadian friends to call me on WhatsApp, Skype or Facebook messenger if they need to talk. Otherwise email me.

I was wifed up while I was there, so only had sex with her and her roommate. Still had a great time though!

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2601979]I spent so much money on chaturbate trying to line up some chicas for my trip. I honestly can't say that I'm feeling very confident than any of them will meet me, and I'm 100% confident that some of the ones I spent a lot on will not meet me. Turns out it's not just western women who are manipulative and entitled.[/QUOTE]You guys keep trying to pre-plan shit in order to hype yourself for your arrival and end up wasting a bunch of time and money. Get there. Go on one of the sites. Find which chick is willing to come see you RIGHT NOW, not 8 months later after you have wasted time and money.

It is not western women. It is you guys that do it to yourselves. And after you have fucked one place up, you move on to the next with the same bullshit that caused the first place to be ruined. Then go blaming women for the mess you willingly made. First step is to stop kissing up and doing shit you think will gain you favor. That shit only gets you hurt and used as you are currently finding out.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2601979]Just in case I do have to go solo, I made a decoy wallet and I'm going to bring a shitty phone as a decoy too and have my real phone and wallet hidden. Was also thinking about getting some mace, [/QUOTE]Dude you are trying to do too much. Why do you need to carry so much shit all over everywhere? Just carry money and a phone. No need for regular wallets, decoy wallets, mace, etc. You are just going to confuse yourself. Makes more sense to only carry the shit you need in only one place. That way if something does go down, then there is only one place to protect. What if they happen to go for the real phone and wallet instead of the decoy phone and wallet? Are you going to tell them that is not the one they are supposed to get?

But how many people have actually reported something going down in Santa Fe? The people that do not like it are only creeped out at how the place looks. Hardly anyone has reported something actually happening to them. If there is a sign of trouble, keep fucking walking and do not try to confront anyone.

[QUOTE=Luminus;2602140]Saturday afternoon. Went to the Mezzanines, the doors are not numbered correctly or sequentially or even at all LOL. Kept walking down the hall and second last door had a stunner, went in and inside the door was a number 11 so I guess that was where I was. Quoted 90 K for 1 hour, massage, CBJ CFS, took it with the stunner who was also the mamma san of the room, Sara was her name. She was amazing and probably one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen in my life, I left satisfied.

Sunday around 7 pm. Back to the Mezzanines, saw a cutie on the second door after the corner (no number on the door), Quoted 100.000 cop for 1 hour massage, CBJ, CFS. Really liked the look of Tatiana so I accepted, one of the best sessions of my career, I liked it so much I asked her if she worked outside of the Mezz and got her WhatsApp. Haven't used it yet, maybe I message her today (Wednesday), it's raining on and off and was thinking of relaxing today.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, but what / where are the Mezzanines you are referring to? Is it a casa? Where is the location on Google Maps?

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2601979]Was also thinking about getting some mace, I haven't heard anyone on here talk about whether that's a good idea but apparently it's legal.[/QUOTE]Santa Fe is not really that dangerous, though I think there could be some misunderstandings if you don't understand spoken Spanish well. Hire a guide if you don't have confidence in your Spanish language skills.

I think bringing a cheap phone is a good idea, though.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2602153]You guys keep trying to pre-plan shit in order to hype yourself for your arrival and end up wasting a bunch of time and money. Get there. Go on one of the sites. Find which chick is willing to come see you RIGHT NOW, not 8 months later after you have wasted time and money.

It is not western women. It is you guys that do it to yourselves. And after you have fucked one place up, you move on to the next with the same bullshit that caused the first place to be ruined. Then go blaming women for the mess you willingly made. First step is to stop kissing up and doing shit you think will gain you favor. That shit only gets you hurt and used as you are currently finding out.

Dude you are trying to do too much. Why do you need to carry so much shit all over everywhere? Just carry money and a phone. No need for regular wallets, decoy wallets, mace, etc. You are just going to confuse yourself. Makes more sense to only carry the shit you need in only one place. That way if something does go down, then there is only one place to protect. What if they happen to go for the real phone and wallet instead of the decoy phone and wallet? Are you going to tell them that is not the one they are supposed to get?

But how many people have actually reported something going down in Santa Fe? The people that do not like it are only creeped out at how the place looks. Hardly anyone has reported something actually happening to them. If there is a sign of trouble, keep fucking walking and do not try to confront anyone.[/QUOTE]You're right I'm pre planning too much out of anticipation and not knowing what to expect. Goes for the chaturbate and the safety planning shit. But even taking safety out of the equation, It would still be cool to hit up a couple bars with someone from here because life is short and why the hell not.

[QUOTE]My novia was being a little weird and did not want to come see me for the first few days, she had to take her kid to school and had classes of her own but was still disappointed. Spent those days just resting from the 14 hours of travel and doing a little recon of my area. Feel totally safe in the areas around the hotel day and night. Met up with the novia Saturday morning and we did the touristy things, (Gold museum, the plaza, Quevedo's jet.) when having lunch she asked if I planned to have sex with other women. This was a topic we discussed before and honesty has always been our motto, even when it hurts the other so I said yes. She said to be careful, don't kiss and wear a condom and now we are just friends LOL. Returned to my hotel and she went home.[/QUOTE]Bummer about the novia. I thought you were going to say she wanted you not to kiss and to wear a condom for her sake, but then after reading the rest I felt for you man. Seems like something she should have asked earlier on if it was that much of a dealbreaker for her. But I'm guessing there was a bit of financial incentive for her to delay the question, right? These girls are very sneaky. But anyway I'm glad that the mezzanine is treating you well and you don't seem too bothered by all the CBJ.

I would like to ask a few questions here before I come to Colombia for 3 weeks in November. This will be my first stay in Colombia. I am coming alone and I don't speak Spanish. Am neither old nor young. I am no stranger to sports.

1. which city should I choose and why? The choices are Bogota, Medellin and Cartagena. Maybe 5 days Bogota, 7 Medellin and 9 Cartagena? Or should I limit myself to just one city?

2. are any of you in one of these cities at this time and would like to meet up so we can visit some places / bars / clubs together? My English is school level, I am from Germany.

3. would you recommend me a wingman, so I don't have to walk alone in the evening / night. And where do I find such guys, how much do they charge?

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2601979]I spent so much money on chaturbate trying to line up some chicas for my trip. I honestly can't say that I'm feeling very confident than any of them will meet me, and I'm 100% confident that some of the ones I spent a lot on will not meet me. Really hammers home the phrase that the only honest women are prostitutes. I know I'm an idiot so there's no need to tell me. That money could have been spent so much better on my trip. And maybe a couple of them will meet with me and make it worth the money I wasted on the ones who won't, but I'm not going to hold my breath. There was a guy on here insisting that it's a decent way to meet women despite everyone saying it's not, and I regret ever reading that post. I really don't think it is a good way (I guess I'll find out soon enough). Most girls will say what you want to hear in an attempt to get tips from you and they are just bottomless pits of want. The more you send, the more they expect. And if they do meet you, it's not because they said they would or to fill their end of the bargain, it's because they hope to keep squeezing more out of the lemon. Maybe there are some girls on there who are sincere, but they're so few and far between that it makes it too risky an endeavour to seek them out. It makes sense that they expect you to send them something to show that you're serious and not a chump, but then it just becomes a slippery slope of exploitation. And they know this but they feign ignorance. Turns out it's not just western women who are manipulative and entitled. I have so much respect for the girls who just straight up say they won't do encounters, even if they're bitches about it.[/QUOTE]If written about this several times, but it seems like nobody pays attention.

Webcam girls already have a job, and if they've been working at it for 6 months or more, it is probably earning them a decent living. Just like many jobs they also have a boss looking over their shoulder. In many cases the boss is the actual person you are chatting with, because the model doesn't have time to try and translate everything.

If the webcam model wanted to make money by meeting strangers for sex, she would be out hooking and not on webcam. Yes, there are some who do both, but you're usually going to pay a much higher rate, not counting what you have to spend just to get their attention.

The problem you will always face when trying to set up something with a webcam model is from her fans. Her fans are guys who would (mostly) never travel to meet her. They live on the fantasy. When she's got 6 guys spending $500 a month on her, all who would freak out if they knew she met someone else, why throw that away for a few hundred dollars?

Webcam is just live action porn. If it's something you enjoy, enjoy it for what it is. If you would rather meet and have sex with women, that's much easier, much cheaper and more dependable than trying to get a webcam model to meet.

Carrera 15 #104-76.

Its a collection, well 5 I think rooms in an exterior hallway of a building where each room have between 1 and 5 or 6 girls that offer massages and happy endings or full service if you want. Quite well known and is on the Bogota map and list from Worldtraveler (a user on here), read the forum a bit and all is answered.

[QUOTE=DerTyperb;2602158]I'm sorry, but what / where are the Mezzanines you are referring to? Is it a casa? Where is the location on Google Maps?[/QUOTE]

Here is a link for a girl at one of the rooms.

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/usaquen/extrovertida-y-muy-atractiva-damita-lista-para-ti-id-py6yp[/URL]

[QUOTE=Luminus;2602140]Het everyone, time for an update. Landed in Bogota at 4 am on the 2nd, went up to arrivals and used the ATM, Davivienda did not work with my Scotia Bank card (I'm Canadian), took 1. 000.000 from Servibanca and got charged 16.000 by the ATM, No foreign fees from my bank, almost like Chase for you Americans. I've taken 3 ATM withdrawals so far and when I decline the first rate, the transaction is always cancelled so I start over and just accept the rate, my average is about 200 cop less than the XE posted rate, not good, not bad.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Hmm. The exchange rate you get from Scotiabank in Canada is always around 2. 5% less than the mid market rate for that day. They charge you 2. 5%, it is in all of their disclosures, and I am a Scotiabank customer in Canada as well. And they also charge you a $5 Canadian fee for any foreign withdrawals outside of US and Mexico. Plus whatever you pay at the ATM machine you use. If you use Scotiabank / Colpatria you may not have the ATM charge, at least I did not last year. And that really has nothing to do with Scotiabank owning them. Scotiabank doesn't give you any breaks if you have a card back at home. Just FYI. The Canadian banks all charge either 2. 5 or 3. 5% for currency conversion when you withdraw cash at a foreign ATM, plus the $5 or $7 fee.

[QUOTE=Luminus;2602140]

My novia was being a little weird and did not want to come see me for the first few days, she had to take her kid to school and had classes of her own but was still disappointed. Spent those days just resting from the 14 hours of travel and doing a little recon of my area. Feel totally safe in the areas around the hotel day and night. Met up with the novia Saturday morning and we did the touristy things, (Gold museum, the plaza, Quevedo's jet.) when having lunch she asked if I planned to have sex with other women. This was a topic we discussed before and honesty has always been our motto, even when it hurts the other so I said yes. She said to be careful, don't kiss and wear a condom and now we are just friends LOL. [/QUOTE]Your first mistake, LOL. Seriously, you're a better man than I am.

[QUOTE=Luminus;2602140]Monday I spent all day running around trying to get a unlocked phone that I brought from Canada to work in Colombia. Went to 3 different provider for them all to tell me that yes the phone is unlocked and they don't know why their sim card won't activate in my phone. Finally the guy at a Movistar said the yes it's unlocked but that particular phone is blocked in Colombia. [/QUOTE]What phone is that if you don't mind?

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2602169]But even taking safety out of the equation, It would still be cool to hit up a couple bars with someone from here because life is short and why the hell not.[/QUOTE]When is your trip?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2599124]Might have missed out on the best session of your life running from those ugly chicks.[/QUOTE]+1. I had one like that at the Mezz on and off for years. Those girls from Boyacá are pure fire.

Ironically she appeared as a suggested friend on Insta just like a week ago. LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2602265]When is your trip?[/QUOTE]October 12th -26th. Santa fe for the first 5 days, Chapinero Central for the rest.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2602207]If written about this several times, but it seems like nobody pays attention.

If the webcam model wanted to make money by meeting strangers for sex, she would be out hooking and not on webcam. Yes, there are some who do both, but you're usually going to pay a much higher rate, not counting what you have to spend just to get their attention.

The problem you will always face when trying to set up something with a webcam model is from her fans. Her fans are guys who would (mostly) never travel to meet her. They live on the fantasy. When she's got 6 guys spending $500 a month on her, all who would freak out if they knew she met someone else, why throw that away for a few hundred dollars?[/QUOTE]What I did was stupid but I disagree about the reasons why.

Without getting into it too much, Mr E hit the nail on the head when he said those sites only work if you intend to meet right away. When you try to use it to plan ahead, you're just opening yourself up to deception and manipulation. They use that window to try and get as much from you as possible and guilt you when you stop coming to their room or sending them tips. They pretend they don't understand the difference between someone whos tipping them with the intention of meeting and someone who is just tipping to see a show. They act like you're obligated to continuously provide for them if they want to meet you. I bought one girls whatsapp and then she said her phone got stolen and she said she'd give me a good deal on her new number. Just bullshit like that. There's a lot of girls on there, some make a lot of money, some make very little, and their incomes don't seem directly correlated to their looks or experience. Sometimes there were stunners that only had like 4 viewers and none of them even had an account activated to send a tip. I didn't target the girls with a big following. But my point is there's too many girls on there with vastly different incomes to generalize about what they would and wouldn't do. A lot of Colombianas on there work in studios and I've looked into it, the studios don't pay that well at all. And they definitely wouldn't tell their fanbase if they hooked up with a user.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2602207]If written about this several times, but it seems like nobody pays attention.

Webcam girls already have a job, and if they've been working at it for 6 months or more, it is probably earning them a decent living. Just like many jobs they also have a boss looking over their shoulder. In many cases the boss is the actual person you are chatting with, because the model doesn't have time to try and translate everything.

If the webcam model wanted to make money by meeting strangers for sex, she would be out hooking and not on webcam. Yes, there are some who do both, but you're usually going to pay a much higher rate, not counting what you have to spend just to get their attention.

The problem you will always face when trying to set up something with a webcam model is from her fans. Her fans are guys who would (mostly) never travel to meet her. They live on the fantasy. When she's got 6 guys spending $500 a month on her, all who would freak out if they knew she met someone else, why throw that away for a few hundred dollars?

Webcam is just live action porn. If it's something you enjoy, enjoy it for what it is. If you would rather meet and have sex with women, that's much easier, much cheaper and more dependable than trying to get a webcam model to meet.[/QUOTE]During My last visit to Medellin, I encountered a Normal woman in her early 30's, fake breasts, in shorts, wearing glasses walking hurriedly on street and I Just said Hola to her. She turned back and walked to me, had some chat and exchanged phone number. I called her in the evening if she can visit me to my apartment and she agreed. Upon arrival, she had on her a very low cut shirt, shorts, beautiful legs. We started chatting on sofa and she mentioned that she is a webcam girl from [URL]stripchat.com[/URL]. So, I thought that she would ask me for lots of money as she is webcam girl. I just wanted to fuck her and get my load off as we see these girls on computer and fall in love with them and here she is with me in person. I told her that I am falling in love with her and want to take her out for dinner. Started kissing each other and ended up in bed. She put on some erotic Arabic music on her phone and gave me BBBJ very tenderly and then put on condom and fucked me with lots of moans. Cuddled in bed for 15 minutes and ready to go home. I offered her taxi money and she said OK. I gave her 150 mil and she did not even asked how much it was or count and just put in her bag and left with few kisses on my mouth and on cheek.

I thought that 150 mil was very less money and she will never talk with me any more. However, A day after, I called her and offered to take her for breakfast or lunch and she agreed for breakfast and gave me her home address to which I was extremely surprised. I took the taxi and she lives in very upscale area of Medellin, I think north of Poblado near some Mall. She have an apartment in a tall multistoried luxury building, security, pool, gym and supermarket. She came down to receive me at the concierge, her hair wet and told me she just came out of the shower and took me to her apartment. Nice apartment, 3 bedrooms, 2 bathroom, balcony, No furniture, only air mattress and few 32" luggage bags that we travel with. She told me that she is moving to this apartment and today is her first day and that is the reason I do not see any furniture. Nice apartment on 20th floor, 3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, small kitchen, nice shiny floors and luxury bathrooms. Gave me a tour of her apartment and showed me her toys that included various sized dildos, butt plugs, hitachi, and pink thing that vibrates upon someone tipping, some lighting, lots of various creams and lotions. So, now I am very curious and asked her about her business and the money she makes and I was very surprised that she mentioned that her cut is only 30% on dollar. That means 70% goes to the website and girls keep 30%. 70% cut on website includes 50% for technology that keeps and maintains the website, stores her videos and accounts. She mentioned that she is not doing good on webcam and sometimes she makes hardly $30 USD after showing and performing for more then 5 hours.

In another incident, I met a girl on chaturbate her name is Adriana from Medellin and she has a extremly beautiful girl name Ana 26 years performing with her. I tipped Ana and she sent me a thankyou message privately and then one thing led into another. Exchanged private phone number and we talked. She is doing very poorly on chaturbate and hardly making any money to pay her food she mentioned and every day begging regalos from me. I did webcam with her in her house, living very poorly in Barrio, in one bedroom house with two kids. Tired with her begging I had to say goodbye to her and block her. So, I don't think that all webcam girls are making tons of money and can pay their bills. Some are on webcam for extra small income or as hobby.

To give you an idea, I am from London, and have been to Colombia several times, the only reason I fly all the way there is. Other than the Bulgarians! No one beats the skill of a Colombian woman.

This is my one cent worth!

Bogota -- get woodman as your wing man, I ventured out in Santa Fe alone, but only few streets, as soon as I found there is not much people around, I just turned back.

YOu don't need to know Spanish, however knowing Spanish is beneficial (I don't know a word of Spanish!

You can get some girls to show around in day time from 'Show around', if you click, then you might get lucky.

There are message places, and up market places as well.

Strip club is Colombia is -- like FFK, you sit around and find the girl you like, pay at the counter and take her to the room!!

Medellin. Has happening places like Barcelona. Party places. You can read the thread, which will give you some idea.

Centro. Is like frank rut. Near the station places!!

There are entry level and upscale strip clubs you can try in Medellin (30 minutes - 60000 peso -- 300000 peso) based on where you go.

300000 peso is like 80 £ I believe.

Cartagena. Is a Beach town. More toouristic.

- from my experience Cartagena has the most beautiful girls in offer than other strip clubs in Medellin or Bogota.

This is just my view based on my few visits before COVID (3 times to be precise).

Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=Djosten;2602195]I would like to ask a few questions here before I come to Colombia for 3 weeks in November. This will be my first stay in Colombia. I am coming alone and I don't speak Spanish. Am neither old nor young. I am no stranger to sports.

1. which city should I choose and why? The choices are Bogota, Medellin and Cartagena. Maybe 5 days Bogota, 7 Medellin and 9 Cartagena? Or should I limit myself to just one city?

2. are any of you in one of these cities at this time and would like to meet up so we can visit some places / bars / clubs together? My English is school level, I am from Germany.

3. would you recommend me a wingman, so I don't have to walk alone in the evening / night. And where do I find such guys, how much do they charge?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2602370]In another incident, I met a girl on chaturbate her name is Adriana from Medellin and she has a extremly beautiful girl name Ana 26 years performing with her. I tipped Ana and she sent me a thankyou message privately and then one thing led into another. Exchanged private phone number and we talked. She is doing very poorly on chaturbate and hardly making any money to pay her food she mentioned and every day begging regalos from me. I did webcam with her in her house, living very poorly in Barrio, in one bedroom house with two kids. Tired with her begging I had to say goodbye to her and block her. So, I don't think that all webcam girls are making tons of money and can pay their bills. Some are on webcam for extra small income or as hobby.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with you. Some people on this forum hold webcam girls in high regard, as if they are all high earners, and that is not true. My main chica here, whom I know very well, I lived with her for some time, was a cam girl herself and owned a studio for ten years. Six rooms, three shifts, 24/7 operation. She recently sold her share and exited the industry.

Being a cam girl is very hard. The studios and platforms take the lion's share of tokens. Many girls last only a week in the industry; the average duration of a model at a studio is about a month. These girls are real employees, and have EPS insurance included. They get frequent UTI's due to constant dildo action; legit studios even require a doctor's note to stay off work. During the initial stages on the quarantine last year, I read through several years of HR records for her studio, and saw so many doctor's notes which would say, no manual stimulation or penetration of vagina for five days. My chica tells me that she had many models who worked for her, who bailed on their job as soon as a gringo offered to take them to Cartagena or San Andres or Cancun or whatever. No forward thinking. And obviously no commitment to a difficult job.

JuJuBee talked about a girl's following after six months. True, some girls are successful and tremendous earners, but the vast majority of models don't last that long and never make that kind of money. Just scroll through the pages of chaturbate. The majority of girls online have few people in their room. Facebook and Tinder chicas? Many, many of them have worked webcam for a short span. If webcam is supposedly so lucrative, why are they fucking fat and ugly foreigners?

All this is to say, if there is a model you like, give it a go. Understand though, that as someone said recently, many of these girls or the studio use a translator, who is in the office translating between the user and the model, so you need to get past that. Get to social media or whatsapp if you can.

We should only look for girls in these websites, when you are about to travel, like a week before or so.

Look for the new ones, before they get a fan base!

How you find the new one? Look at the promotions. Usually 0-1 $, mostly of them when they join will use this option, that is to lure the users to them.

I haven't see many doing more than 1 week, as soon as they get few regulars, they are done with the promotion.

Its a 40% chance, I lined up nearly 10 of them, I meet 4! In 2019! Off course that is the last time I have been in COL.

One of them only wanted to stay in the room have fun, get the money and go, as she didn't want to be seen with me by anyone else.

I also meet a couple, (no sex) from Jasmin, who helped me to see around places, in a cost effective manner, went to many places otherwise I wouldn't have.

The key is to have a discipline, not to spend!! And when we spent?? To go to pvt, so share our number to whatsapp us! I didn't stay more than a minute or two, max I have stayed is 5 minutes.

I have learned this in the hard way, initially I did spent a lot, as may have done!! We all at some time have experience being an idiot!!

Learn it from it, and improvise!

-live sex Web portals are ideally not the place to look for hookup girls, even we say. May still stick to it!! As you are not moving away from your chair (laziness).

To those people. Porn is free!! Please keep it like that!

Post COVID. It looks travel is now a possibility, and I am traveling to AMS for few months.

Enjoy guys!

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2602370]During My last visit to Medellin, I encountered a Normal woman in her early 30's, fake breasts, in shorts, wearing glasses walking hurriedly on street and I Just said Hola to her. She turned back and walked to me, had some chat and exchanged phone number. I called her in the evening if she can visit me to my apartment and she agreed. Upon arrival, she had on her a very low cut shirt, shorts, beautiful legs. We started chatting on sofa and she mentioned that she is a webcam girl from [URL]stripchat.com[/URL]. So, I thought that she would ask me for lots of money as she is webcam girl. I just wanted to fuck her and get my load off as we see these girls on computer and fall in love with them and here she is with me in person. I told her that I am falling in love with her and want to take her out for dinner. Started kissing each other and ended up in bed. She put on some erotic Arabic music on her phone and gave me BBBJ very tenderly and then put on condom and fucked me with lots of moans. Cuddled in bed for 15 minutes and ready to go home. I offered her taxi money and she said OK. I gave her 150 mil and she did not even asked how much it was or count and just put in her bag and left with few kisses on my mouth and on cheek..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2602309]October 12th -26th. Santa fe for the first 5 days, Chapinero Central for the rest.

What I did was stupid but I disagree about the reasons why.

Without getting into it too much, Mr E hit the nail on the head when he said those sites only work if you intend to meet right away. When you try to use it to plan ahead, you're just opening yourself up to deception and manipulation. They use that window to try and get as much from you as possible and guilt you when you stop coming to their room or sending them tips. They pretend they don't understand the difference between someone whos tipping them with the intention of meeting and someone who is just tipping to see a show. They act like you're obligated to continuously provide for them if they want to meet you. I bought one girls whatsapp and then she said her phone got stolen and she said she'd give me a good deal on her new number. Just bullshit like that. There's a lot of girls on there, some make a lot of money, some make very little, and their incomes don't seem directly correlated to their looks or experience. Sometimes there were stunners that only had like 4 viewers and none of them even had an account activated to send a tip. I didn't target the girls with a big following..[/QUOTE]There's an old saying where I come from, "don't try to teach your grandma how to suck eggs." What that means is don't try to teach someone something when they have a lot more experience at it than you do.

Without retelling my life story, I worked in webcam, with webcam studios in Colombia. I shared an apartment with a webcam model. I met and talked to webcam models daily for nearly 1 year.

Unless a webcam model has reached a level of success where she can afford to go solo, she works for a webcam studio. If she works for a webcam studio she has a monitor, a person who is running TeamViewer and monitoring everything that goes on in her broadcast, that includes private messages, tip notes and even Whatsapp messages. Among other things the monitor is there to protect the studio's investment in the model. The studio pays the model a percentage of her earnings, usually 50%. If the model is using the studio's equipment and space to bypass the studio's income, the studio seldom approves of it.

The problem isn't the model telling her fan base that she fucked BigDick69 or whatever creative name the user came up with. The problem is the user telling everyone, posting pictures etc.

So the monitor is there answering PMs, running the chat, doing most of the typing, while the model is doing her thing. Do you understand now? Chances are slim that you were ever talking to the webcam models. You were probably talking to a 20-30 year old guy who gets paid 5-10% of what the model brings in. I'm telling you this because I have been in both positions, as the user thinking he was getting somewhere with a webcam model and as the monitor, playing the user to keep the tips flowing.

If you happen to get a model who is still in her first few months, not yet making any money, if she's working for a small studio, if she went from hooking to webcam, then you might be able to land a date with her. But the successful studios aren't putting hookers on webcam. They don't want them because they will quit and go back to hooking once they learn they have to work a regular schedule for months before they start making as much as they made selling ass. Again, I'm telling you this because I've dealt with it. Put a hooker in front of a webcam and she expects 100-200 k for every day she works and it doesn't matter how good she looks, she isn't going to earn that for at least 3 months.

If you're actually going to travel to another country and fuck the women there, every dollar you spend on a webcam model is wasted. Chances are you can find just as good or better once you're in country.

I'll change my tune. Absolutely, the best use of your time and money is to spend it on webcam sites, trying to get models to agree to meet up with you once you're in Colombia. Why go to free websites like Mileroticos or Photoprepagos and find girls? Why go to strip clubs or to Santa Fe, where you can check them out in person for free, or for the price of a beer, when you can spend from $5-$5,000 dollars getting a WhatsApp number from a girl on Chaturbate? Why spend 15 minutes finding a girl who is in the business of selling pussy, when you can spend 5-20 hours a week looking at webcams, trying to find one that will agree to meet you, once you've spent enough money on her?

I was doing adult video chat before there were any webcam sites. I was watching webcams at least15 years ago. Over the years I've spent a ridiculous amount of money on the different sites. And that was before I was working for webcam studios.

Webcam sites are there for the guys who can't, for whatever reason, go out, meet women and fuck them. They're for the guys who prefer the fantasy to reality.

If you like webcams, then watch webcams and spend money. Spend money because, and it seems some people can't understand this, it costs money to put on a webcam show. The webcam sites and the webcam studios all have a big investment in bringing the webcam models to your screen. The entire industry only exists if people continue to make it profitable.

If instead you're interested in actually meeting and fucking women, get a plane ticket and go get your dick wet. There's no need to spend time and money on webcams. With a webcam model you're either dealing with someone who is already a hooker and who will go back to hooking once she realizes that webcam is work, or you're dealing with someone who has no interest in being a hooker. So you're either spending money to get something you can easily find for free, or you're spending money trying to get something that's not for sale.

[QUOTE=Mike963;2602405]To give you an idea, I am from London, and have been to Colombia several times, the only reason I fly all the way there is. Other than the Bulgarians! No one beats the skill of a Colombian woman.

This is my one cent worth!

Bogota -- get woodman as your wing man.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your answer. But how can I get Woodman as my wing man?

Walked around couple hours-- 7;30 10. It was OK. Not as many hot Streetie Sweeties.

Went to Atonis, Troya and Venus. Just fair. I think the weekend should be better.

Lotsa ISGers in town.

[QUOTE=Djosten;2602486]Thanks for your answer. But how can I get Woodman as my wing man?[/QUOTE]Simple, send him a PM, look for him on these pages, he posts much, I know him personally from a few years ago, I too can vouch for him and the help / service he provides, a stand up guy. He lives a few blocks from SF and has forgotten more than most of us know about the in's and out of the clubs and street scene.

The Tall Man.

It was a Samsung Galaxy S7.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2602244]

What phone is that if you don't mind?[/QUOTE]

I have the Scotia Ultimate package and the reason I chose that one is no foreign transaction fees. I confirmed by checking my online banking and it shows $0 for service charges for any withdrawal that I have made in Colombia. Might be worth looking at the Scotiabank Ultimate Package. Maybe they hid the fees inside the actual transaction but it's what I have now here with me so it is what it is.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2602236]Hmm. The exchange rate you get from Scotiabank in Canada is always around 2. 5% less than the mid market rate for that day. They charge you 2. 5%, it is in all of their disclosures, and I am a Scotiabank customer in Canada as well. And they also charge you a $5 Canadian fee for any foreign withdrawals outside of US and Mexico. Plus whatever you pay at the ATM machine you use. If you use Scotiabank / Colpatria you may not have the ATM charge, at least I did not last year. And that really has nothing to do with Scotiabank owning them. Scotiabank doesn't give you any breaks if you have a card back at home. Just FYI. The Canadian banks all charge either 2. 5 or 3. 5% for currency conversion when you withdraw cash at a foreign ATM, plus the $5 or $7 fee.[/QUOTE]

Just a quick update for anyone interested.

Wednesday I took off from Mongering and headed to Centro Mayor mall and just did touristy stuff.

Thursday I headed back to Santa Fe to see if I could find this very dark stunner that I saw a couple of days ago. Passed into Santa Fe, turned the first corner and there she was in the 3rd doorway. 40.000 cop room included, blowjob, reverse cowgirl and finally ended in doggy holding that beautiful ass tight, all covered I might add. Cleaned up and had a beer at a bar across the street. Wandered around for a few more hours and found a few more girls that I want to try but didn't have it in me to go again. Walked over to Candelaria, took some pics and Ubered back to my hotel and watched the last half of the Soccer game.

If you search the thread, you will find him and send a personal message!

[QUOTE=Djosten;2602486]Thanks for your answer. But how can I get Woodman as my wing man?[/QUOTE]

You have to get a paid member ship to message any one.

Hope that make sense now?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Djosten;2602486]Thanks for your answer. But how can I get Woodman as my wing man?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Luminus;2602755]I have the Scotia Ultimate package and the reason I chose that one is no foreign transaction fees. I confirmed by checking my online banking and it shows $0 for service charges for any withdrawal that I have made in Colombia. Might be worth looking at the Scotiabank Ultimate Package. Maybe they hid the fees inside the actual transaction but it's what I have now here with me so it is what it is.[/QUOTE]I will check it for sure. That might save me the $5 fee. My banks always say there are no fees. But they still charge 2. 5% on the currency exchange. The only way you know is to compare mid market rates on the day you have withdrawn money. Or the end of the day before, and see what the difference is between that and what they gave you. Sometimes they call it the bank exchange rate or something like that. But that is where they make their money.

[QUOTE=Djosten;2602486]Thanks for your answer. But how can I get Woodman as my wing man?[/QUOTE]Send him a PM and he will get back to you.

Just had my first night in Bogota after a very tiring journey, only had a few hours sleep in the past 48 hours but it's been worth it to get here.

Checked into the San Francisco hotel around 8.30 pm and was supposed to meet two wingmen from another forum to hit Santa Fe but they let me down. Would have hired Woodman had I known.

Got to Santa Fe just after 9, had some fried chicken and chips and something that was like a sweet potato and tasted amazing (any ideas what this is, not that white tasteless crap BTW).

Had a quick glance up and down the streets which looked safe and saw some cute SWs.

Decided to try a strip club girl first and went into Paisas. They tried to screw me out of my change first drink which pissed me off but there was some really nice girls there IMO with one or two stunners.

Took a cute girl who approached me and seem to have a good attitude and got 30 minutes for 100 k, I know I probably overpaid but I made sure it was for 30 minutes and not 15 or 20.

She performed well and was a nice girl. Can't remember her name but she said she was from Medellin but god knows if that's true.

Went back to my room after that as I'm tired but first impressions were good and I felt safe walking to and from Santa Fe alone and definitely felt safe on the busy streets there. I only had my wallet with one nights money in anyway so if I did get mugged it wasn't the end of the world anyway.

One more day and night in Bogota then off to Medellin. Want to try at least one SW tomorrow, if anyone's around pm me.

Sorry got two newbie questions to ask you Bogota expert's.

Got a flight to Medellin tomorrow at 12.44 in the afternoon.

Do I need to complete any forms for an internal flight (don't think I do but want to make sure.

Also I've heard the traffic can be really bad in Bogota, what time would you lot get a taxi from San Francisco hotel to the airport?

Gracias.

[QUOTE=Mike963;2602770]You have to get a paid member ship to message any one.

Hope that make sense now?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Is that the only way or does someone know another way to establish contacts? May I leave my email address here, I don't think so. And how do I buy a membership and what does it cost? Does it even make sense so that I can send a message to someone? Strange rules.

Heading to santa. Fe now if any one is around.

I sent you a pm bud.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2603094]Got a flight to Medellin tomorrow at 12.44 in the afternoon.

Do I need to complete any forms for an internal flight (don't think I do but want to make sure.

Also I've heard the traffic can be really bad in Bogota, what time would you lot get a taxi from San Francisco hotel to the airport?
[/QUOTE]There will not be any traffic on Sunday. You left out whether you have already checked in online. If so, then I would leave no earlier than 1 hour 30 min before the flight leaves. If you are planning to check in at the airport and check bags in, then you better leave no later than 3 hours before your flight. No forms to complete. Should take no longer than 20 minutes to get to the airport.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2603204]There will not be any traffic on Sunday. You left out whether you have already checked in online. If so, then I would leave no earlier than 1 hour 30 min before the flight leaves. If you are planning to check in at the airport and check bags in, then you better leave no later than 3 hours before your flight. No forms to complete. Should take no longer than 20 minutes to get to the airport.[/QUOTE]Great, thanks for the help, I'll try and check in online now. Luckily I only have hand luggage.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/ISG_Payments.php?[/URL]

[QUOTE=Djosten;2603118]Is that the only way or does someone know another way to establish contacts? May I leave my email address here, I don't think so. And how do I buy a membership and what does it cost? Does it even make sense so that I can send a message to someone? Strange rules.[/QUOTE]

I recently got home from a few day trip to Colombia that I split between Bogota and Cartagena. No hobbying in Cartagena, just beaching and relaxing. While in Bogota I took the recommendation posted a couple times in this thread that eroticasbogota dot com was a reliable agency and I can fully recommend them as well. Very easy to communicate and book with over Whatsapp. My spanish is limited, as was my time, so I didn't really want to mess around on the street. Plus the rates are reasonable for ladies of that age and how good looking they are. I met Aura, Marcela, and Catalina over the course of my trip. Highly recommend Aura, she was my favorite of the three, and I'd repeat with her. Great kisser, cute little 5 ft body, proactive in bed. Pretty limited English, but not zero. I wouldn't repeat with either of the other two, nothing bad, just not great enough to go again. Damage for an hour was 265 mil, or about $70. All of the girls upcharge $20 for BBBJ. I wanted to meet and had a date booked with Zaira (who has been recommended in this thread) but my flight back to Bogota was delayed and I had to cancel.

The hotel I stayed at (a US chain hotel) had no issues with guests and seemed to know what was going on but didn't care. The girls would go to the lobby with my room number, give their name, and then call up for me to get them since the elevator needed a room key. One of the three, after she left I got a call from the security guy at the front door saying, "Hi Mr. Kk989, the lady is leaving the hotel, everything is good?" Guess a security thing to make sure the visitor didn't do anything bad to you. The girls share their national ID at the front desk to check in, so there really isn't a ton to worry about as a client since if anything happens the hotel knows who visited you.

I'm planning to go back again before the end of the year, hopefully see Zaira and spend a couple days in Medellin. Really tough to beat the value. Plus nice weather and good food.

Landed at Bogota this Thursday. Here are my experiences for the few days:

Stay: I booked an AirBnB near Tequendama suites hotel. It is girl friendly. I checked with the owner and she said no restrictions and the security was cool.

Experiences:

1. Paula Gomez: Connected with this girl through Tinder and she claimed to be a college student (obviously not) and the pictures she used in Tinder were different from the one's she sent in whatsapp. Still she spoke some English and since I don't speak Spanish, I wanted to try her as my first experience. Turned out to be a disaster!!

She asked for 200 mil and I countered for 2 hours 2 times sex and she agreed. She came to my apartment (apparently security just sent her up, didn't ask me to come down) and it started well. She danced to some music and stripped. She had good boobs and a nice face, so it started well. However, she was not good at giving head and didn't allow me to suck her tits, which was a turn off. First round went well and she gave a decent massage.

After 45 minutes, she said that she didn't have any more condoms and wanted to leave and asked for the full amount. I declined and told her that since she broke the deal, I will offer her only 120 mil. We argued for sometime and agreed and went to my bathroom to get ready and leave. This is where I made a mistake of leaving my personal groomer outside and she stole that one!

Her number: 311 xxx 2581.

Be careful with this one!!

I will be submitting my other experiences later.

Second day / night in Bogota was good too.

After exploring La Candelaria I went to Santa Fe in the afternoon. Didn't feel in any danger at all but the touts are really annoying. Ended up getting a black girl for a ST for 40 k and 7 k for the room. Was a bit mechanical but was good for the price.

Went back to Santa Fe at night with two guys off another forum and we ended up going in Paisas, the talent wasn't as good as the previous night but they had an interesting show going on involving the stage being set alight and a girl pulling a extremely long chain out of her pussy, god knows how she got it up there. Looked like a piercing until she pulled it out.

The show then suddenly stopped and police filled the bar. Everyone was relaxed and joking but we couldn't work out what was going on. They must have been there at least 30 minutes before they told everyone to leave the bar. When we got outside the whole street was filled with people, so it looks like all the bars got evacuated. I can't remember what time this was but was around 11 pm I think.

Luckily whilst the police were there a cute girl from Cartagena called Emilie was chatting with me. She had a bit of a belly but pretty face, really nice smile and tits and arse.

When we were in the bar she kept grabbing my dick through my pants and rubbing her feet on it and putting my hands on her tits. She seemed a bit crazy but from experience they fuck the best haha.

I always try and pick girls who show an interest and seem to be enjoying themselves as in my opinion it greatly reduces the risk of a bad performance.

After we got told to leave the bar by the police, the other two guys decided to go somewhere else, whilst the girl I found dragged me to another bar a few doors up. As long as we got to the bar she stuck her tongue down my throat and put my hands on her ass. We got a drink each there and then rented a room above that bar.

I had agreed to pay her 90 k for a full 30 minutes and I think I gave her 10 k for the room.

In the room she gave an amazing performance. She kissed me then gave me a BBBJ despite me forgetting to ask for it. About 15 minutes in someone knocked on the door and Emilie went mad having a shouting argument through the door with someone, god knows what was being said. Anyway we start fucking again and 15 minutes later another knock, we stop and she opens the door stark naked and starts arguing again with someone whilst I'm just lying there at full mast on the bed.

She says can I pay another 10 k for more time and I say no problem. So after that's paid we start fucking again and I finish in doggy style. She gives me a massage and tries to get me hard again but I'm jet lagged and tired and had an early flight to Medellin in the morning. I thought she said can I come to your hotel but she then said we could go back to her room. I made my excuses and got her what's app and left. I gave her 120 k in the end and she earned every penny. Probably should have given her a little bit more for the time we were up there.

I enjoyed Bogota and didn't feel in danger in Santa Fe.

Next update will be from Medellin.

Thanks for this report. I matched on tinder then it moved to WhatsApp, same quote 200 k. Will give a miss after your experience.

[QUOTE=VTheVan;2603450]Landed at Bogota this Thursday. Here are my experiences for the few days:

Stay: I booked an AirBnB near Tequendama suites hotel. It is girl friendly. I checked with the owner and she said no restrictions and the security was cool.

Experiences:

1. Paula Gomez: Connected with this girl through Tinder and she claimed to be a college student (obviously not) and the pictures she used in Tinder were different from the one's she sent in whatsapp. Still she spoke some English and since I don't speak Spanish, I wanted to try her as my first experience. Turned out to be a disaster!!

She asked for 200 mil and I countered for 2 hours 2 times sex and she agreed. She came to my apartment (apparently security just sent her up, didn't ask me to come down) and it started well. She danced to some music and stripped. She had good boobs and a nice face, so it started well. However, she was not good at giving head and didn't allow me to suck her tits, which was a turn off. First round went well and she gave a decent massage..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kk989;2603413]I recently got home from a few day trip to Colombia that I split between Bogota and Cartagena. No hobbying in Cartagena, just beaching and relaxing. While in Bogota I took the recommendation posted a couple times in this thread that eroticasbogota dot com was a reliable agency and I can fully recommend them as well....
Highly recommend Aura, she was my favorite of the three, and I'd repeat with her.
I'm planning to go back again before the end of the year, hopefully see Zaira and spend a couple days in Medellin. Really tough to beat the value. Plus nice weather and good food.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for the report, it is this type of actionable intel that makes this forum worthwhile. And Zaira is a good one, especially if you like them skinny and wild. I'll be sure to try Aura on my next trip.

And, yes this is the only agency where all the ladies seem to charge for BBBJ (rates are not set in stone though). For other agencies the lady either offers it (no upcharge) or does not, at least that has been my experience.

Does anyone else think mileroticos is shit? 90% of it is the same 15-20 girls spamming thier adds literally tens of thousands of times per day. It says in the ad how many times it was listed that day and it's fucking ridiculous. And you can't even ctrl + click to open a new tab when you click an ad to save your place. So by the time you back out of the ad 30 seconds later, there are so many spammed posts that you're multiple pages away from where you were. It must also suck for the models because as soon as a few of them pay the extra to have their ads auto-posted, all the rest of them have to in order to be competitive. And the ads that have less than a thousand posts per day are hard to find. It's not good for the models or the customers either. The only people benefitting are the people who operate the site. It's like when you go to a concert and the people in front of you stand up so now you have to stand up and now the people behind you have to stand up. If everyone would just sit the fuck down (aka post once a day or less) it would be so much better. Photoprepagos is a bit better. They don't show the same ad twice if you keep scrolling down, but eventually they start replacing the number with "X" I guess to incentivize girls to post their ad every day, which is kinda stupid. I just figured out a way to view the number on older ads, if you click "ver mas" on the right it shows the ad stats and the original title with the number instead of "X".

[QUOTE=VTheVan;2603450]Paula Gomez: Connected with this girl through Tinder and she claimed to be a college student (obviously not) and the pictures she used in Tinder were different from the one's she sent in whatsapp. Still she spoke some English and since I don't speak Spanish, I wanted to try her as my first experience. Turned out to be a disaster!!

She asked for 200 mil and I countered for 2 hours 2 times sex and she agreed. She came to my apartment (apparently security just sent her up, didn't ask me to come down) and it started well. She danced to some music and stripped. She had good boobs and a nice face, so it started well. However, she was not good at giving head and didn't allow me to suck her tits, which was a turn off. First round went well and she gave a decent massage.

After 45 minutes, she said that she didn't have any more condoms and wanted to leave and asked for the full amount. I declined and told her that since she broke the deal, I will offer her only 120 mil. We argued for sometime and agreed and went to my bathroom to get ready and leave. This is where I made a mistake of leaving my personal groomer outside and she stole that one!

Be careful with this one!![/QUOTE]I met up with this chick on August 21. Talk about your mileage or experience may vary; this is definitely a case of that. First let me say that I doubt those are her pictures on Tinder as well. On the Tinder pics the chick looks taller and thicker. She is pretty small. And she did send me pics when I asked as soon as we went to whatsapp. But everything else was just as advertised or better.

What would it matter if she is a student or not? It has nothing to do with her being a hooker. But why do you think she is "obviously not" a student? I was pretty convinced that she is a student. She told me she had less than 1 year to finish the university. I am a smart mf and this chick was telling me things that blew my mind. She is much smarter than the average chick. She had me discussing Albert Einstein quotes and shit. She asked you know who Albert Einstein is right. I said hell yeah, E=mc2. Hell I had a better time conversing about educational shit with her than fucking. I speak Spanish, but she did speak really good English. Hard to find a chick that smart.

As soon as she walked into the room she put music on her phone, got on her kness, pulled my pants down, and started sucking my dick. And did not want to stop. Then she got up dancing and did her strip shit. After that she got her lotion out and gave me a massage from head to toe front and back. Then we fucked.

Did not allow you to suck her tits? Don't know why you would want to suck those fake ass tits, but that girl did not refuse me to kiss a spot on her body. She kept forcing tongue kisses, but I am not a big tongue kisser in my middle age. My only complaint with her was those fake tits. Other than that this chick was good to go and total GFE. Also, she only told me 150 FOR A FEW HOURS right off the bat. I did not haggle anything, which is unusual for me.

When we were leaving the room and I handed her the money she did not even count it. Then when I came back in that night I realized she left all her soap and shampoo and lady shit in the shower. Lucky I did not come back in with one of my non-pros to see it. I will definitely see her again next month when I am in Bogota.

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;2603594]Thanks for this report. I matched on tinder then it moved to WhatsApp, same quote 200 k. Will give a miss after your experience.[/QUOTE]LOL. He liked the boobs, but did not like anything else about her; I didn't like the boobs but loved everything else about her. Go make your own experience!

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2602999] Got to Santa Fe just after 9, had some fried chicken and chips and something that was like a sweet potato and tasted amazing (any ideas what this is, not that white tasteless crap BTW).

Had a quick glance up and down the streets which looked safe and saw some cute SWs.[/QUOTE]I love this shit. One new guy can go to Santa Fe alone in the middle of the night and see it as perfectly safe and have a great time. Another new guy can go to Santa Fe at high noon and declare it to be the sacriest place on Earth and vow to never return.

My first night in Medellin was OK. I forgot how steep the hills are in El Poblado though, I'm knackered today.

Ended up in Parque Lleras and took a Venezuelan girl from the park bit but where everyone stands.

She was cute but curvy. Had a big ass, decent sized tits and a pretty face. There were a few cute girls around but none above a 7 I would say.

The girl originally asked for 250 and I just countered with 200, could have maybe got her down lower but I was really tired and just wanted to get someone quickly.

Hoping to get to El Centro today, would be great if any experienced El Centro veterans are about in the next few days to show me the ropes.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2603662]Does anyone else think mileroticos is shit? Photoprepagos is a bit better. but eventually they start replacing the number with "X" I guess to incentivize girls to post their ad every day, which is kinda stupid.[/QUOTE]I thought it showed X when the girl makes her post inactive to show she is not available at the moment.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2603831]I thought it showed X when the girl makes her post inactive to show she is not available at the moment.[/QUOTE]That could also be the case but I'm pretty sure after about 3 or 4 days it does it automatically because 0 posts after that show the number.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2603823]I love this shit. One new guy can go to Santa Fe alone in the middle of the night and see it as perfectly safe and have a great time. Another new guy can go to Santa Fe at high noon and declare it to be the sacriest place on Earth and vow to never return.[/QUOTE]One guy sessions with a girl and says she's terrible, another guy sessions with her and says she's great. One guy says a place is scary, another says it's fine. One guy says the food at a restaurant sucks, another guy loves it.

Look on any review site for anyplace you know and you'll find the same shit. First place I ever stayed in Bogota, close to Parque 93, I thought was great. I walked around the area day and night, no problem. Room was great. No heat or air, but that's standard for Bogota. The bed was more comfortable than my bed at home. Couldn't have asked for a better experience. Look at the reviews and the whole area is a slum, criminals everywhere, rooms terrible, service terrible.

What gets reported has a lot to do with the person's attitude at the time of the encounter. At least once a week I decide to call my boss with some complaint. Once I start thinking about it, other minor issues pop up. Before long I'm feeling like my job sucks and I need to start looking for another. Only problem is, I enjoy my job. Pay and benefits are great, everyone treats me fantastic. I doubt if I could find another that comes close to my normal job satisfaction. So before I call and start griping about a few minor issues, I sleep on it.

I do the same with bad reviews here. I take some time to analyze why it didn't meet my expectations. Often it turns out that I was trying to do something that I really didn't want to do at the time.

Reviews and reports are seldom objective.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2603904]One guy sessions with a girl and says she's terrible, another guy sessions with her and says she's great. One guy says a place is scary, another says it's fine. One guy says the food at a restaurant sucks, another guy loves it.

Look on any review site for anyplace you know and you'll find the same shit. First place I ever stayed in Bogota, close to Parque 93, I thought was great. I walked around the area day and night, no problem. Room was great. No heat or air, but that's standard for Bogota. The bed was more comfortable than my bed at home. Couldn't have asked for a better experience. Look at the reviews and the whole area is a slum, criminals everywhere, rooms terrible, service terrible.

What gets reported has a lot to do with the person's attitude at the time of the encounter. At least once a week I decide to call my boss with some complaint. Once I start thinking about it, other minor issues pop up. Before long I'm feeling like my job sucks and I need to start looking for another. Only problem is, I enjoy my job. Pay and benefits are great, everyone treats me fantastic. I doubt if I could find another that comes close to my normal job satisfaction. So before I call and start griping about a few minor issues, I sleep on it.

I do the same with bad reviews here.[/QUOTE]Agree it is all about ones attitude, I have seen this same played out a thousand times on these boards.

I always say to have little to no expectations just about anything which includes the chicas, the hotel, the climate, the cost, the risk and go with the flow and just experience it for what it is and for the past 5 years I have lived with this mind set and am so better off for it.

So again "expectations are only a reason for a future resentment".

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2603803]I met up with this chick on August 21. Talk about your mileage or experience may vary; this is definitely a case of that. First let me say that I doubt those are her pictures on Tinder as well. On the Tinder pics the chick looks taller and thicker. She is pretty small. And she did send me pics when I asked as soon as we went to whatsapp. But everything else was just as advertised or better.

What would it matter if she is a student or not? It has nothing to do with her being a hooker. convinced that she is a student.

As soon as she walked into the room she put music on her phone, got on her kness, pulled my pants down, and started sucking my dick. And did not want to stop. Then she got up dancing and did her strip shit. After that she got her lotion out and gave me a massage from head to toe front and back. Then we fucked.

Did not allow you to suck her tits? Don't know why you would want to suck those fake ass tits, but that girl did not refuse me to kiss a spot on her body. She kept forcing tongue kisses, but I am not a big tongue kisser in my middle age. My only complaint with her was those fake tits. Other than that this chick was good to go and total GFE.[/QUOTE]Mr. E, The girl I saw didn't talk about Einstein and when I asked what was her major, she said psychology and when I probed more, she didn't respond well. Also, she didn't spoke good English. It was passable, but she also switched to translator when we argued!! So, I am not sure we met the same girl, even though the WhatsApp picture you have is what I got from the girl.

Also, my girl didn't start the session with a blow job!

It is possible that we started the session a bit awkward as she was late by more than 90 minutes and I told her that if she is not coming in the next 30 minutes, I will cancel the session. She showed in the next 15 minutes and blamed the traffic.

Why I decided to post about that girl was that she actually stole my stuff! So as a precaution to other brothers here, I posted her information.

I get that one person's experience will differ from others. But, if a person cheats or steals then that should be called out IMHO.

[QUOTE=VTheVan;2604247]Why I decided to post about that girl was that she actually stole my stuff! So as a precaution to other brothers here, I posted her information.

I get that one person's experience will differ from others. But, if a person cheats or steals then that should be called out IMHO.[/QUOTE]I sure hope that you would post about that bad experience. But man I can not stop laughing. Everything about our experiences are complete opposite. She was early when she came to see me. I was still in the lobby just finishing breakfast. I stayed in Bogota an extra day just to meet up with her and hang out with MM. She seemed really sweet and I told told her I would let her come over but I ended up being too busy, so I stayed since I had promised her. I was doing other things and not really paying her attention when we got to the room. Then she started the blowjob shit.

Reminds me of a time when I told my buddy about a chick in the strip club in Medellin. (We were actually in the club together.) In the room she was all over me like white on rice and squirted like a madwoman. He went and got the same chick 2 months later and said how horrible she was.

P. S. The funny thing is that she is only my second Tinder chick in Bogota. I have zero luck with that app. Nobody ever matches with me. I mean that literally. In all these years, I have only matched with her and another chick. I did a session with each and they were both great GFE for me. And the other chick I didn't end up getting with until a subsequent trip because she matched after I had already left.

[QUOTE=VTheVan;2604247]It is possible that we started the session a bit awkward as she was late by more than 90 minutes and I told her that if she is not coming in the next 30 minutes, I will cancel the session. She showed in the next 15 minutes and blamed the traffic.

Why I decided to post about that girl was that she actually stole my stuff! So as a precaution to other brothers here, I posted her information.

I get that one person's experience will differ from others. But, if a person cheats or steals then that should be called out IMHO.[/QUOTE]Yeah that sounds about right. A lot of girls really hate being called for their shit, no matter how politely you do it and how warranted it is. Guys do it too but not to the same degree as women. It's fucking frustrating but sometimes life is easier if you just play by their rules and pick your battles. If I'm dating a girl, there's definitely times where I draw the line and call them out because they need to hear it regardless of the inevitable blowback I'll get. But if I'm just waiting for a session I'll just wait until I can't wait anymore and then cancel. Giving them a 30 minute warning is a half measure that will almost certainly put a damper on it, especially if it's a first impression. Once I was in Brazil and I booked 4 hours at a hotel and was hoping that would be enough time to have back to back sessions with 2 different girls. But then the first girl was super late, maybe 90 minutes or more so I knew that wasn't going to happen and I was bummed, but I didn't say anything. But it turned out to be worth the wait because she was such a stunner, had a perfect gym body and was very enthusiastic. It was one of my best experiences for sure, still think about her when I jerk off sometimes. I totally get being pissed off though. If they're over an hour late, you can probably assume they squeezed another customer before you which is super rude. At that point if you're bothered by it you should just cancel and say you have an important appointment so you can't delay any longer, that way if you decide to try again with her another day, she can't really hold anything against you.

Another time I booked a session with a girl for a specific time the next day and when I texted to confirm, she had forgot about me and was busy. So I rescheduled for the next day and then I cancelled with an hour or 2 notice because I just wasn't in the mood and she got super pissed off, said she was going to report me (to who?) for being a fake hobbyist just trying to waste her time so she makes less money. Then she said she had already scheduled another client halfway into the time that we were supposed to be together, so that means she was planning on kicking me out early anyway. I dodged a bullet there. Not super relevant but I was just reminded of that anecdote and maybe it somehow fits into the narrative that sometimes cancelling is the right call but threatening to cancel is a risky move.

But yeah I was going to say, the whole "it's all about your attitude and expectations" thing kinda goes out the window when the ***** stole something from you. Fuck that. I don't care if she can suck a golf ball through a garden hose. In a city with so many options, a known thief is a hard pass.

Interesting. I sessioned this girl back in August and I can tell I had a very similar experience with mr E. Agreed, she was def not like the pics on Tinder but her whatsapp pics were real pics but whatever. I have her pics / videos she allowed me to make and I can tell we had the same girl by her name, that university story and last four of her ph number you posted. Honestly, she was amazingly sweet. Like Mr E, she was about 20 minutes early and I was not even in hotel but she waited patiently. When we got in the room, she started the music, I had previously requested / confirmed a BBBJ to which she agreed and was amazing. Yes, her tits were fake, she admitted that and had no problems giving me access. She is a very small girl but very pretty (like a lot of Colombians I meet), really nice attitude and she took the the like a porn pro. She quoted me 200 k for 2 h, unlimited bust (like ok!) and a massage. She delivered on all. She took a long ass shower, didn't count the $ I gave her and was very respectful. She offered to even stay longer no extras but I couldn't, had other plans and I needed to rush out LOL. Couple of things: she doesn't really 'speak' English, she dabs but nothing near conversational. She claimed she was from Barranquilla IIRC and needed money for school and help her family. None of that shill mattered to me. She just performed well. I would def session her again next time in Bogota.

[QUOTE=VTheVan;2604247]Mr. E, The girl I saw didn't talk about Einstein and when I asked what was her major, she said psychology and when I probed more, she didn't respond well. Also, she didn't spoke good English. It was passable, but she also switched to translator when we argued!! So, I am not sure we met the same girl, even though the WhatsApp picture you have is what I got from the girl.

Also, my girl didn't start the session with a blow job!

It is possible that we started the session a bit awkward as she was late by more than 90 minutes and I told her that if she is not coming in the next 30 minutes, I will cancel the session. She showed in the next 15 minutes and blamed the traffic.

Why I decided to post about that girl was that she actually stole my stuff! So as a precaution to other brothers here, I posted her information.

I get that one person's experience will differ from others. But, if a person cheats or steals then that should be called out IMHO.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Flashshaker;2604352]She took a long ass shower[/QUOTE]Definitely the same chick! What the hell was she doing in that shower so long?

[QUOTE=Flashshaker;2604352]Couple of things: she doesn't really 'speak' English, she dabs but nothing near conversational.[/QUOTE]So maybe I thought she spoke English well because we spoke mostly Spanish but the few things she wanted to say in English sounded pretty good. Usually I can't remember what language I was speaking to a mf in.

[QUOTE=Flashshaker;2604352]She claimed she was from Barranquilla[/QUOTE]That is her.

[QUOTE=VTheVan;2604247]. Also, she didn't spoke good English. [/QUOTE]My favorite quote of the day. Sorry bro, I can't help it.

Hi guys, can somebody send me an MP with a reliable contact in Bogota for all the funny powders that can be found there?

Look I know it is easy to find it in the street, what I'm looking for is a reliable contact that won't sell me anything that could cause any harm.

[QUOTE=JohnDarkSmith;2605058] what I'm looking for is a reliable contact that won't sell me anything that could cause any harm.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/31/nyregion/fentanyl-cocaine.html[/URL]

Regardless they will all kill you, some very slowly, some very quickly!

Quintessential Russian Roulette, or circa 2021, CCP Roulette.

Hey all,

New to ISG but I'm a semi experienced USA monger. Figured I'd contribute from my time here so far.

I don't know this town so I've stuck with mileroticos since I'm familiar with similar sites and I've got to say that here in Colombia it's way easier to get real beauties with much less tricks. I'm actually enjoying the straightforward nature of things without the need for suspicion and LEO checks. I'd like to think that it's my mongers intuition I've built up but it's probably luck, in either case all of the girls I've seen have been the ones from the picture.

#1 Liz. Incall.

Service was very good (wasn't the best, but I have high standards). For 130 full hour and how friendly and accommodating she was I would repeat if I wasn't looking to test new waters. When she came in we put on some music, she did some dancing with me as she stripped and then we got started. She was open to doing any position I asked. Mainly did K9 & her on top. BJ was with cover. I'm glad she was the first one I tried from the site because she set the tone for what I'm going to expect. I was taking a while to finish (not because of her) but she didn't complain at all, took it like a professional and did what she came here to do. Treat this one well, she really seems like a good girl.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/hola-soy-liz-disponible-las-24-horas-solo-domicilios/20083020/[/URL]

#2 Marilyn. Incall.

Service was good (not great). She's the one in the pictures, except that's great lighting because she's actually a little darker (they're intentionally produced to make her look more light skinned). Simple setup, I message her, we setup a time. She's here in 40 minutes. Keep in mind she's a spinner and very tight. Wouldn't mind repeating if there wasn't so much of a selection. Definitely good enough to try, but not good enough that I'd make her a regular. The only weird thing that she did is as we were done I told her I was going into Chapinero central to go eat and she said sure let's go downstairs to wait for our transports together. When I got in my cab she stayed in my building lobby waiting for her ride even after I left. For all I know her ride could have been super late (she called hers way before I called mine) but it made me feel suspicious like she might tell the guard she left something in my room to see if she can get back in without me (good security here, they wouldn't ever let someone in). I'm probably paranoid but take my gut feeling for what it's worth, I've probably just done this too long and am untrusting. For an hour at 100 I have no complaints.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/promo-100-soy-marilyn-disponible-para-ti-solo-domicilios/21119719/[/URL]

#3 Tatiana. Outcall.

Decent service, she didn't seem very experienced which was odd for someone in her line of work. She's an 18 yr old girl from some small city in Colombia that just got to Bogota this week. I've got to say her body is absolutely amazing. We started with CBJ during which I asked for 69 and she wasn't into it. Proceeded to w / e that move is these girls are doing where they're on top and trying to squat. She's super tight and I finished in the bag, then we sat around talking since I did the hour for 120. The only reason she's #3 is that the outcall location is a bit sketch. I've done plenty of outcalls in the states but I'm not familiar with these working girl houses (she works out of one of them) so it gave me sketch vibes. She is the girl in the pictures, but they seem like professional pictures and they were taken when her hair was done up differently. Now she has her hair in braids and it doesn't look as good, but her body is 100% spot on. Nearly perfect.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/arrechita-y-dinamica-ocanera-de-cola-gange-y-vagina-rosada-y-de-senos-redondito/21531358/[/URL]

With all that said, would love to see some other reviews from those of you here. I'm looking for some more local talent.

Great Report.

As per my understanding based on mongering in USA is that incall=you travel and visit her place where as outcall=she travels and visits your place.

Which of them did DFK and DATY?

[QUOTE=TiguereAbroad;2605460]Hey all,

New to ISG but I'm a semi experienced USA monger. Figured I'd contribute from my time here so far.

I don't know this town so I've stuck with mileroticos since I'm familiar with similar sites and I've got to say that here in Colombia it's way easier to get real beauties with much less tricks. I'm actually enjoying the straightforward nature of things without the need for suspicion and LEO checks. I'd like to think that it's my mongers intuition I've built up but it's probably luck, in either case all of the girls I've seen have been the ones from the picture.

#1 Liz. Incall.

Service was very good (wasn't the best, but I have high standards). For 130 full hour and how friendly and accommodating she was I would repeat if I wasn't looking to test new waters. When she came in we put on some music, she did some dancing with me as she stripped and then we got started. She was open to doing any position I asked. Mainly did K9 & her on top. BJ was with cover. I'm glad she was the first one I tried from the site because she set the tone for what I'm going to expect. I was taking a while to finish (not because of her) but she didn't complain at all, took it like a professional and did what she came here to do. Treat this one well, she really seems like a good girl.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/hola-soy-liz-disponible-las-24-horas-solo-domicilios/20083020/[/URL]

#2 Marilyn. Incall.

Service was good (not great). She's the one in the pictures, except that's great lighting because she's actually a little darker (they're intentionally produced to make her look more light skinned). Simple setup, I message her, we setup a time. She's here in 40 minutes. Keep in mind she's a spinner and very tight. Wouldn't mind repeating if there wasn't so much of a selection. Definitely good enough to try, but not good enough that I'd make her a regular. The only weird thing that she did is as we were done I told her I was going into Chapinero central to go eat and she said sure let's go downstairs to wait for our transports together. When I got in my cab she stayed in my building lobby waiting for her ride even after I left. For all I know her ride could have been super late (she called hers way before I called mine) but it made me feel suspicious like she might tell the guard she left something in my room to see if she can get back in without me (good security here, they wouldn't ever let someone in). I'm probably paranoid but take my gut feeling for what it's worth, I've probably just done this too long and am untrusting. For an hour at 100 I have no complaints.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/promo-100-soy-marilyn-disponible-para-ti-solo-domicilios/21119719/[/URL]

#3 Tatiana. Outcall.

Decent service, she didn't seem very experienced which was odd for someone in her line of work. She's an 18 yr old girl from some small city in Colombia that just got to Bogota this week. I've got to say her body is absolutely amazing. We started with CBJ during which I asked for 69 and she wasn't into it. Proceeded to w / e that move is these girls are doing where they're on top and trying to squat. She's super tight and I finished in the bag, then we sat around talking since I did the hour for 120. The only reason she's #3 is that the outcall location is a bit sketch. I've done plenty of outcalls in the states but I'm not familiar with these working girl houses (she works out of one of them) so it gave me sketch vibes. She is the girl in the pictures, but they seem like professional pictures and they were taken when her hair was done up differently. Now she has her hair in braids and it doesn't look as good, but her body is 100% spot on. Nearly perfect.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/arrechita-y-dinamica-ocanera-de-cola-gange-y-vagina-rosada-y-de-senos-redondito/21531358/[/URL]

With all that said, would love to see some other reviews from those of you here. I'm looking for some more local talent.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TiguereAbroad;2605460]Hey all,

New to ISG but I'm a semi experienced USA monger. Figured I'd contribute from my time here so far.


[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/hola-soy-liz-disponible-las-24-horas-solo-domicilios/20083020/[/URL]

#2 Marilyn. Incall.



[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/promo-100-soy-marilyn-disponible-para-ti-solo-domicilios/21119719/[/URL]

#3 Tatiana. Outcall.


[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/arrechita-y-dinamica-ocanera-de-cola-gange-y-vagina-rosada-y-de-senos-redondito/21531358/[/URL]

With all that said, would love to see some other reviews from those of you here. I'm looking for some more local talent.[/QUOTE]Based on the pictures, it seems like girls in Bogota Milerotics are cheaper then Medellin and quality is better.

[QUOTE=Kerty9;2605557]Great Report.

As per my understanding based on mongering in USA is that incall=you travel and visit her place where as outcall=she travels and visits your place.

Which of them did DFK and DATY?[/QUOTE]Correct, outcall is when she comes to you.

[QUOTE=Kerty9;2605557]Great Report.

As per my understanding based on mongering in USA is that incall=you travel and visit her place where as outcall=she travels and visits your place.

Which of them did DFK and DATY?[/QUOTE]Forgot to answer your other question. #1 and #2 were DFK, I didn't DATY with any but I'm sure it was on the table with #1.

Well 2nd, but first time that I actually am traveling for mongering. I did visit Ecuador and went to some casas but don't really remember what the name of it was. There was a really sexy Venezuelan girl, and if I saw her on the street ID look twice. But unfortunately I couldn't stay hard with a condom on because a, I probably have masturbated far too much and its too hard to feel anything with a condom (I imagine taking Viagra or the equivalent before entering the casa would help), and be, I didn't really enjoy that experience because you enter and you say Hi, then she immediately takes you to a room and you have to start performing. ID rather take it slow and become attracted to her mannerisms and personality. Of course if she saw me on the street and asked me if I wanted to bang her ID prolly get super excited and hard, but going to a casa was different feeling.

I'm also pretty ugly, maybe average at best and my confidence level is not that high. I'm not expecting girls to fall all over me, but it would be nice to have some girls in Colombia treat me with respect and kindness and lots of affection. Just today in the USA I smiled at a really pretty girl with her friend and she just laughed at me. It gets discouraging to even approach girls in the USA, especially for someone that's not that attractive and has some confidence issues. I'm hoping to find some girls in Colombia that will enjoy my quietness, my friendliness and of course my money LOL.

I'll be sure to report back here all my encounters good and bad. I'll be in Colombia for 1 month and a half. So a long time. My first stop is Bogota, then maybe Cali, Cartagena, and of course Medellin.

[QUOTE=Adventurelife;2605771]I'm also pretty ugly, maybe average at best and my confidence level is not that high. I'm not expecting girls to fall all over me, but it would be nice to have some girls in Colombia treat me with respect and kindness and lots of affection. I'm hoping to find some girls in Colombia that will enjoy my quietness, my friendliness and of course my money LOL.[/QUOTE]From what you've described, if you are in Colombia for 45 days, hopefully it will change you. But only if you work on yourself, learn Spanish and find regular people or swipe or pay for the 3 month package on Colombian Cupid to find average looking women your own age. If you say you are American and actually in the country right now, I'm sure you get lots of replies. If you eat out a few middle aged pussies that you've conquered with your personality, it will improve your confidence.

I also would recommend going to Philippines, you will find about 4 million women that match your description, and that's just in the National Capital Region.

Also, invest in some ultra-thin condoms, lose some weight, do some yoga breathing exercises, hehe.

I am arriving in Bogota in next 3 days and I was talking to some agency through photoprepagos website and I lost the contact. Does anyone know or use this girl services? Please let me know. The photos are real as I did videocall to see her and confirm it is indeed her.

[QUOTE=YoungDude;2606039]I am arriving in Bogota in next 3 days and I was talking to some agency through photoprepagos website and I lost the contact. Does anyone know or use this girl services? Please let me know. The photos are real as I did videocall to see her and confirm it is indeed her.[/QUOTE]I think I saw her in Santa Fe-- Or many girls who looked like her.

[QUOTE=AdventureLife;2605771]Well 2nd, but first time that I actually am traveling for mongering. I did visit Ecuador and went to some casas but don't really remember what the name of it was. There was a really sexy Venezuelan girl, and if I saw her on the street ID look twice. But unfortunately I couldn't stay hard with a condom on because a, I probably have masturbated far too much and its too hard to feel anything with a condom (I imagine taking Viagra or the equivalent before entering the casa would help), and be, I didn't really enjoy that experience because you enter and you say Hi, then she immediately takes you to a room and you have to start performing. ID rather take it slow and become attracted to her mannerisms and personality. Of course if she saw me on the street and asked me if I wanted to bang her ID prolly get super excited and hard, but going to a casa was different feeling.

I'm also pretty ugly, maybe average at best and my confidence level is not that high. I'm not expecting girls to fall all over me, but it would be nice to have some girls in Colombia treat me with respect and kindness and lots of affection. Just today in the USA I smiled at a really pretty girl with her friend and she just laughed at me. It gets discouraging to even approach girls in the USA, especially for someone that's not that attractive and has some confidence issues. I'm hoping to find some girls in Colombia that will enjoy my quietness, my friendliness and of course my money LOL.

I'll be sure to report back here all my encounters good and bad. I'll be in Colombia for 1 month and a half. So a long time. My first stop is Bogota, then maybe Cali, Cartagena, and of course Medellin.[/QUOTE]You got some good advice below but I'd like to add something to give you something to keep in mind.

I had a good friend years ago who was not good looking, he was short with a pot belly but I would see him score again and again with some fairly hot chicks. I asked him how was it he could score with these girls again and again. His reply was, "just give me 10 minutes to talk my face away" It made a lot of sense. Remember women fall in love with what thy hear, not with what they see. Be clean, dress trendy, learn Spanish and work on your game, you'll get there. Think positive thoughts! Buena suerte!

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2606180]You got some good advice below but I'd like to add something to give you something to keep in mind.

I had a good friend years ago who was not good looking, he was short with a pot belly but I would see him score again and again with some fairly hot chicks. I asked him how was it he could score with these girls again and again. His reply was, "just give me 10 minutes to talk my face away" It made a lot of sense. Remember women fall in love with what thy hear, not with what they see. Be clean, dress trendy, learn Spanish and work on your game, you'll get there. Think positive thoughts! Buena suerte![/QUOTE]Let's be honest, the content of his wallet is going to be the number one decisive argument to be seen seductive and attractive by the girls there. The rest is more or less nice to have.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2606296]Let's be honest, the content of his wallet is going to be the number one decisive argument to be seen seductive and attractive by the girls there. The rest is more or less nice to have.[/QUOTE]I'll break it down to you. Reverse places, your the working girl, are you more likely to go with a client if they stink, look like shit and can't put a sentence together just because they have the money? OR would you prefer and give better service to someone dressed better, clean and a fun personality? Now if your speaking only of the street working girls, turning 10 or 15 tricks a day in Santa Fe, then yes, it's whoever has the cash.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2606626]I'll break it down to you. Reverse places, your the working girl, are you more likely to go with a client if they stink, look like shit and can't put a sentence together just because they have the money? OR would you prefer and give better service to someone dressed better, clean and a fun personality? Now if your speaking only of the street working girls, turning 10 or 15 tricks a day in Santa Fe, then yes, it's whoever has the cash.[/QUOTE]Take it out of the P4P arena and it becomes obvious. It doesn't matter how much money you have, or how good you look if you can't talk to the women. And you can be old, ugly and broke, but if you can make the women laugh you're going to end up in a lot of beds.

Two quick points.

1. Colombia is not the safest right now to be dating, personally I think it is safest to go to casas and if you see Facebook and Seeking Arrangement they must be vetted from this forum and of course let the non casa girls they need to leave their cedula (ID) at the desk and tell the desk person if I don't leave with the girl there is a problem ("no salir con ella, es una problema, nosotros salimos juntos" Personally either I am in a country to see escorts or date. Colombia IMO is for escorts, if you want to date go to Mexico City I had two long term girlfriends from there (took a month before we were a couple and each relationship lasted a year, basically all the time I was in Mexico). If you keep dating most likely you'll get drugged or worse.

2. Yea bro stop masturbating, if the girls don't do BBBJ make sure they are skilled enough to get you hard with out BBBJ like the girls at tantra spa in Medellin and really any well reviewed casas. The same day I had two girls, the first was a horrible girl and too precautious and bad attitude and I couldn't get hard, same day I go to tantra and the girl doesn't do BBBJ but she gets me rock hard by playing with it, tell them to play with it with their hands. Also, no matter which girl you see first thing you need to do is if you're using a condom, have it ready and out of the package. Make sure you don't put it on until you're fully hard though, so just have it ready and tell the girl to keep playing with it.

[QUOTE=AdventureLife;2605771]Well 2nd, but first time that I actually am traveling for mongering. I did visit Ecuador and went to some casas but don't really remember what the name of it was. There was a really sexy Venezuelan girl, and if I saw her on the street ID look twice. But unfortunately I couldn't stay hard with a condom on because a, I probably have masturbated far too much and its too hard to feel anything with a condom (I imagine taking Viagra or the equivalent before entering the casa would help), and be, I didn't really enjoy that experience because you enter and you say Hi, then she immediately takes you to a room and you have to start performing. ID rather take it slow and become attracted to her mannerisms and personality. Of course if she saw me on the street and asked me if I wanted to bang her ID prolly get super excited and hard, but going to a casa was different feeling.

I'm also pretty ugly, maybe average at best and my confidence level is not that high. I'm not expecting girls to fall all over me, but it would be nice to have some girls in Colombia treat me with respect and kindness and lots of affection..[/QUOTE]

Long overdue update incoming for anyone who was following my Bogota trip. I tried to meetup with SoberHans in Santa Fe but it just didn't work out. Ended up spending most of last Saturday there and pulled 2 girls The first was a little older and kept trying to upsell me anal for and extra 50 k but I wasn't interested, I finished quickly and just wanted to get rid of her, 40 K all in. Went and had a beer and some food to regain some energy and started walking around again. The Police, Migration, Military and Bomb Squad all showed up but didn't seem to be doing much but just standing around, no problem walking between them while looking for another girl. Found a cutie in one of the garage type doorways and again for 40 k, room included we had a great session, she was very passionate and energetic and actually seemed to like it when I was squeezing her tits which most don't seem to like. It started raining so after another beer I left Santa Fe around 9 pm and walked to the Oceana to get an Uber back to my hotel. I will say, day or night I did not feel like I was in any danger at any time while in Santa Fe or any other area in Bogota and so far it is my favorite place LOL.

Sunday was a lazy day and I was having a problem with my cell so found a Claro store that was open and got the guy to reset everything and was walking back to my hotel, stopped at a kebab place for dinner and returned to my hotel. Started feeling like shit after walking 6 blocks back to the hotel, felt like I was getting totally hammered even though I only had 2 beer with dinner, decided to go to sleep but woke up with terrible diarrhea and was bed ridden for 3 days. I think it was food poisoning, my friend thinks I was drugged and web MD says stomach flu. Took some anti-biotics that I brought with me and was feeling much better for my flight to Medellin on the 16th.

Will continue to report in the Medellin forum but overall I enjoyed Bogota, I liked the weather, the women and the city.

[QUOTE=Luminus;2606791]I left Santa Fe around 9 pm and walked to the Oceana to get an Uber back to my hotel.[/QUOTE]Why didn't you call the Uber in Santa Fe instead of ealking to Oceania?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2606807]Why didn't you call the Uber in Santa Fe instead of ealking to Oceania?[/QUOTE]Getting an uber in Santa Fe to pick you up is damned near impossible. I gave up doing that after seeing again and again the average wait was like 30 minutes and having rides cancelled again and again. I just grab a cab back to my hotel when I want out of Santa Fe. Getting there is no problem. Getting out on Uber sucks.

[QUOTE=YoungDude;2606039]I am arriving in Bogota in next 3 days and I was talking to some agency through photoprepagos website and I lost the contact. Does anyone know or use this girl services? Please let me know. The photos are real as I did videocall to see her and confirm it is indeed her.[/QUOTE]These girls like your photo example are literally almost a dime a dozen here in Colombia.

Oh the problems for those of us, like me, living full time in Colombia and no shit when I go out and am about in the day just doing some regular things like shopping and maybe a club or restaurant in the evening and usually meet between 2 to 4 Colombian girls that look like this, or better.

Right now as I type this response I have a 22 yo beauty from Tolima in my bed sleeping, she has been here with me for about 5 days, I met her in a store in centro Medellin last week and we hit it off.

The possibilities are endless.

The Tall Man.

I wasn't sure if Ubers would come into Santa Fe and I wanted to see if there was anything on the other side of the transit station but with the rain there was nothing out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2606807]Why didn't you call the Uber in Santa Fe instead of ealking to Oceania?[/QUOTE]

I'm going to Colombia mainly for tourism next month and thinking about hiring someone for companionship and sex.

Is sleeping (laterally) with WG dangerous? I don't want to be dead or wake up with only my underpants left. My plan is to only hire people from (bigger) agencies and tell hotel front desk that the girl will be accompanied by me.

Also how much should I offer? If their hourly rate is 200 k, I think about 7 million for a week would be enough.

Any help appreciated!

I'm going to Colombia mainly for tourism next month and thinking about hiring someone for companionship and sex.

Is sleeping (laterally) with WG dangerous? I don't want to be dead or wake up with only my underpants left. My current plan is to only hire people from (bigger) agencies and tell hotel front desk that the girl will be accompanied by me.

Also how much should I offer? If their hourly rate is 200 k, will 7 million for a week be reasonable?

Any help appreciated!

[QUOTE=TommyW;2606881]I'm going to Colombia mainly for tourism next month and thinking about hiring someone for companionship and sex.

Is sleeping (laterally) with WG dangerous? I don't want to be dead or wake up with only my underpants left. My current plan is to only hire people from (bigger) agencies and tell hotel front desk that the girl will be accompanied by me.

Also how much should I offer? If their hourly rate is 200 k, will 7 million for a week be reasonable?

Any help appreciated![/QUOTE]From my experience, its hit or miss, play it safe, keep your valuables hidden and never bring her home until you feel comfortable with her. You can go to a motel for a full night for cheap. I spent a total of 18 months in Colombia from 2019-now (Got stuck in lockdown during the pandemic) and I really only had 1 bad experience with a chica (I asked for help on this forum about it).

In terms of payment, again, it depends on the girl, some girls ask for high hourly rates but ask for double their hourly for an overnight. I usually go with 500 Dollars or 2 million a week and see what they say, it depends on your luck, how good your Spanish is, and their situation.

I've had a girl stay with me for 3 months for 10 million due to her just arriving in Bogota and was living out of motels, she didn't want to be a WG but she didn't have that option, so I had her stay with me until she found a job and a room. Now I got a girl on speed dial whenever I go there that's also down to help me find other chicas or go to Santa Fe with me.

So made a 4 days trip to Bogota, before going to Medellin. 1st time in Colombia for me, a long awaited trip. I am not interested in street walkers and mainly focused on online ads at mileroticos / photoprepagos / pasionprepagos for the day / afternoon sex and apps such as SA / Tinder for higher quality girls for sex and party at night. I must say SA has been yielding a lot of contacts, more than anywhere else in the world for me. Stayed in a nice high rise recently constructed condominium airbnb in Chapinero, which was mentioned on this forum recently, with awesome city view. Totally GF, security would call to ask if guest can come up, and hold their ID until they return. Or I could just take them up by myself by going down no question asked.

Shantal. Venezuelan.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/hkjg-loaoaoallaoao-kkalalkalakalaoa-vkakallakavbnl/21527004/[/URL]

It was late night on day 1 around 12 am and I wanted to have a girl to come over who could provide extensive services. She ticked all my boxes and came over in just about 45 min. Total price including extras was 240 k for 1 hour.

It is the girl in the picture, although a bit more browner, and a bit less exciting than her online picture. Still I would say a 6.5/10 face, and 7/10 body. But what she lacked in beauty she made up in service, BBBJ deepthroat facefuck, deep rimming, DFK and covered sex and finished in CIM. 9/10 performance. Was a good start to the trip and I recommend this girl if you need the aforementioned services, she does it with gusto.

Camila. Venezuelan - 18 years old.

[URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/camila3132646356[/URL]

Now from what I see, a lot of young girls, and by young I mean 18-19, are available in Bogota, most of them being Venezuelan. That is a good change for me, as I am used to girls more in the 25-30 range, especially in Thailand agogo. So I browsed the ads to find a cute 18 years old, and came across Camila. Total price was 215 k with extra for oral without and CIM. She arrived in my room on time, she looked young and cute with a delicious teenage body. No habla English. Body 7/10 and face 7/10. Started with an average BBBJ, and fucked in multiple positions but found her quite inexperienced, understandable due to her age, but still. I wanted to finish in CIM but she resisted and kept her mouth slightly on the side while I shot. After finishing she asked how she was, I told her just average and inexperienced, and told her I was paying extra for CIM but she didn't deliver, she said you should have put it my mouth, yeah sure but you were resisting it. Anyways, she had the balls to ask for a tip despite this, I said I never ever tipped anyone and only pay agreed price. BTW, I haven been asked to tip twice on this trip, but before I have never been asked anywhere else in the world, I blame the many Americans here and their tipping culture! I don't recommend this girl, or maybe just a quick shot at her incall place.

Paula. Venezuelan - 19 years old.

Co. [URL]mileroticos.com[/URL].

Can't find her ad anymore. I woke up early and came across her ad, she lived less than 10 min walk from my condo. She arrived at 11 am, within 30 min of contacting her. Agreed 120 k including extra for 1 hour. I found her price too low for what I was asking, so I did not have much expectation from her, but I thought it doesn't matter it is just 120 k. She arrived wearing nice clothes, no English, not a looker, a 6.5/10 face and 6.5/10 body. But doable and I was looking forward for the services. She provided a BBBJ, with loads of spit, deepthroat and facefuck for at least 40 min until I got tired of it. Nice long rimming as well. Good fuck, DFK. Finished in CIM which she swallowed and smiled. Wow, she completely surpassed my expectations. Excellent session! I repeated with her on my last day, 1 hour for 120 k which we extend for 1 more hour for additional 60 k. She also provided a decent massage and awesome catbath (sucking and licking all the body). Excellent service and great attitude.

Seeking app.

So I bought the membership about 2 weeks before going to see what's up. Made a lot of contacts and filtered them. The contacts I was planning to meet did not happen due to logistics, but met a girl from seeking on day 3. She messaged me saying 70 USD for a short time meet or 100 USD for all night. I said I am not American I don't have dollars, she said 250 k then, not sure whether that was for short or long time. But agreed to meet at 8 PM, to meet at my place and go outside for some drinks and fun, she was bang on time (actually out of 6-7 girls I met here so far not a single one was late by more than 5 min). She looked decent and well dressed, white skinned girl, a 7.5/10 face and 7.5/10 body. She spoke good English and said she was working in the administration department of a company. Said she was surprised to see my profile as I am quite younger than the average SA member, in fact we were both same age. Had a good talk and some rum at my place and then went out to Zona T / Rosa for some shisha and drinks, then to Andres DC. We both got quite tipsy, she danced and kissed me in the club like crazy lovers. We returned to the condo around 3 am, she jumped on me and started making out and BBBJ on the sofa, asked if I had condom, no, and she just slid it in for BBFS. Continued on the bed and finally I shooted in CIM. Slept in each other arms. She woke up and left at 8 am she said she had driving class. That was a very fun night the way I like them. Later she texted that she had loads of fun and that if I wanted we could meet again and that I don't need to pay again. A shame that I didn't have time to take up on her offer as I would have loved to. Best experience so far in Colombia.

That is it for my Bogota experience, the city is cold and dirty, but it has a South American vibe to it which I liked. I liked the sheer number of options and girls available here as well. Now that I am in Medellin, I can definitely feel girls asking more inflated price here, especially on seeking where a few girls quoted me over 1 million cop prices, whereas no girl in Bogota quoted me above 500 k. Supply and demand I guess. Will be back in Bogota one day.

[QUOTE=Raftaar;2607083]So I bought the membership about 2 weeks before going to see what's up. Made a lot of contacts and filtered them. The contacts I was planning to meet did not happen due to logistics, but met a girl from seeking on day 3. She messaged me saying 70 USD for a short time meet or 100 USD for all night. I said I am not American I don't have dollars, she said 250 k then, not sure whether that was for short or long time. But agreed to meet at 8 PM, to meet at my place and go outside for some drinks and fun, she was bang on time (actually out of 6-7 girls I met here so far not a single one was late by more than 5 min). She looked decent and well dressed, white skinned girl, a 7.5/10 face and 7.5/10 body. She spoke good English and said she was working in the administration department of a company. Said she was surprised to see my profile as I am quite younger than the average SA member, in fact we were both same age. Had a good talk and some rum at my place and then went out to Zona T / Rosa for some shisha and drinks, then to Andres DC. We both got quite tipsy, she danced and kissed me in the club like crazy lovers. We returned to the condo around 3 am, she jumped on me and started making out and BBBJ on the sofa, asked if I had condom, no, and she just slid it in for BBFS. Continued on the bed and finally I shooted in CIM. Slept in each other arms. She woke up and left at 8 am she said she had driving class. That was a very fun night the way I like them. Later she texted that she had loads of fun and that if I wanted we could meet again and that I don't need to pay again. A shame that I didn't have time to take up on her offer as I would have loved to. Best experience so far in Colombia.
[/QUOTE]Way to go, Raftar! This happened to me so many times with seeking, and I tried to tell guys here until I am blue in the face that seeking is different than just getting a hooker. Even if it is P4 P, most times, it is a much, much richer experience. Even though like with you, it is because the woman is into me that it is good, and the sex is more open often to boot. I have only had BBFS with a seeking woman. Hell, it was a struggle even to get a BBBBJ with some working women.

I think you are like the 6th guy Raftar I have talked to or met who has said that the seeking woman wants to spend time with them and not get any money. I thought that prostitution was more socially acceptable in Latin countries, and it is not. Any Latin woman with self worth does not want to take cash for sex.

There are so many women like the one you met who has a job but just wants better out of life, and she is not going to find it with a Colombian guy. So many guys here said that Colombian women want to hang with their novios. I saw that was wrong. The hos are afraid to step out of their comfort zone, but many if not most of the sophisticated nonpros want more out of life and the foreign guys who treat them well are often their best option.

I have had to blaze the seeking trail here, and I am glad you are seeing what I saw. Yes, the women really wanted to spend time with me. Yes, they really wanted to fuck me for no money. Yes, their orgasms were real. And yes, they really wanted to be my GF and would die to be my wife. I did not spend that much time in Colombia and only a week or so at a time usually, but I had like six hot 20 something women 7's to 9's who wanted to be my GF, and I was turning them away!

Anyway, if you take this girl to Cartagena or San Andreas and showed her a good time, she would want to be your GF. If you take her to Mexico or Costa Rica, she would probably want to marry you.

As for Medellin, the woman are a touch better looking, but there is a marked increase in materialism and an attitude that goes with it. All in all, I felt like the women in Bogota had a higher character, were much more real, and I enjoyed their company more.

But the three best fucks I had in Colombia were coastal girls or costenas. They are a rarer breed, but the best ones I met and bedded were hot fucking nymphos. They are / were at a different level.

[QUOTE=TommyW;2606876] Is sleeping (laterally) with WG dangerous? I don't want to be dead or wake up with only my underpants left. [/QUOTE]I was wondering this too, specifically about incall. I'm not too worried about having girls over but I was wondering how common it is to find yourself in a sketchy situation when you go to an independent girl's apartment / hotel.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2606821]Getting an uber in Santa Fe to pick you up is damned near impossible. I gave up doing that after seeing again and again the average wait was like 30 minutes and having rides cancelled again and again. I just grab a cab back to my hotel when I want out of Santa Fe. Getting there is no problem. Getting out on Uber sucks.[/QUOTE]My girl has been using Indriver, with some success. An app that's gaining popularity recently. The basic difference is you put in your destination and include a price your willing to pay and see if any drivers bite. If not, raise it a little until you connect.

[QUOTE=TommyW;2606876]Is sleeping (laterally) with WG dangerous?[/QUOTE]Read Dublin12's report "The Holiday in Hell" before you try it:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2602033&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2602033.

[QUOTE=Raftaar;2607083]So made a 4 days trip to Bogota, before going to Medellin. 1st time in Colombia for me, a long awaited trip. I am not interested in street walkers and mainly focused on online ads at mileroticos / photoprepagos / pasionprepagos for the day / afternoon sex and apps such as SA / Tinder for higher quality girls for sex and party at night. I must say SA has been yielding a lot of contacts, more than anywhere else in the world for me. Stayed in a nice high rise recently constructed condominium airbnb in Chapinero, which was mentioned on this forum recently, with awesome city view. Totally GF, security would call to ask if guest can come up, and hold their ID until they return. Or I could just take them up by myself by going down no question asked.

Shantal. Venezuelan.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/hkjg-loaoaoallaoao-kkalalkalakalaoa-vkakallakavbnl/21527004/[/URL]

It was late night on day 1 around 12 am and I wanted to have a girl to come over who could provide extensive services. She ticked all my boxes and came over in just about 45 min. Total price including extras was 240 k for 1 hour.

It is the girl in the picture, although a bit more browner, and a bit less exciting than her online picture. Still I would say a 6.5/10 face, and 7/10 body. But what she lacked in beauty she made up in service, BBBJ deepthroat facefuck, deep rimming, DFK and covered sex and finished in CIM. 9/10 performance. Was a good start to the trip and I recommend this girl if you need the aforementioned services, she does it with gusto.

Camila. Venezuelan - 18 years old.

[URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/camila3132646356[/URL]

Now from what I see, a lot of young girls, and by young I mean 18-19, are available in Bogota, most of them being Venezuelan. That is a good change for me, as I am used to girls more in the 25-30 range, especially in Thailand agogo. So I browsed the ads to find a cute 18 years old, and came across Camila. Total price was 215 k with extra for oral without and CIM. She arrived in my room on time, she looked young and cute with a delicious teenage body. No habla English. Body 7/10 and face 7/10. Started with an average BBBJ, and fucked in multiple positions but found her quite inexperienced, understandable due to her age, but still. I wanted to finish in CIM but she resisted and kept her mouth slightly on the side while I shot. After finishing she asked how she was, I told her just average and inexperienced, and told her I was paying extra for CIM but she didn't deliver, she said you should have put it my mouth, yeah sure but you were resisting it. Anyways, she had the balls to ask for a tip despite this, I said I never ever tipped anyone and only pay agreed price. BTW, I haven been asked to tip twice on this trip, but before I have never been asked anywhere else in the world, I blame the many Americans here and their tipping culture! I don't recommend this girl, or maybe just a quick shot at her incall place.

Paula. Venezuelan - 19 years old.

Co. [URL]mileroticos.com[/URL].

Can't find her ad anymore. I woke up early and came across her ad, she lived less than 10 min walk from my condo. She arrived at 11 am, within 30 min of contacting her. Agreed 120 k including extra for 1 hour. I found her price too low for what I was asking, so I did not have much expectation from her, but I thought it doesn't matter it is just 120 k. She arrived wearing nice clothes, no English, not a looker, a 6.5/10 face and 6.5/10 body. But doable and I was looking forward for the services. She provided a BBBJ, with loads of spit, deepthroat and facefuck for at least 40 min until I got tired of it. Nice long rimming as well. Good fuck, DFK. Finished in CIM which she swallowed and smiled. Wow, she completely surpassed my expectations. Excellent session! I repeated with her on my last day, 1 hour for 120 k which we extend for 1 more hour for additional 60 k. She also provided a decent massage and awesome catbath (sucking and licking all the body). Excellent service and great attitude.

Seeking app.

So I bought the membership about 2 weeks before going to see what's up. Made a lot of contacts and filtered them. The contacts I was planning to meet did not happen due to logistics, but met a girl from seeking on day 3. She messaged me saying 70 USD for a short time meet or 100 USD for all night. I said I am not American I don't have dollars, she said 250 k then, not sure whether that was for short or long time. But agreed to meet at 8 PM, to meet at my place and go outside for some drinks and fun, she was bang on time (actually out of 6-7 girls I met here so far not a single one was late by more than 5 min). She looked decent and well dressed, white skinned girl, a 7.5/10 face and 7.5/10 body. She spoke good English and said she was working in the administration department of a company. Said she was surprised to see my profile as I am quite younger than the average SA member, in fact we were both same age. Had a good talk and some rum at my place and then went out to Zona T / Rosa for some shisha and drinks, then to Andres DC. We both got quite tipsy, she danced and kissed me in the club like crazy lovers. We returned to the condo around 3 am, she jumped on me and started making out and BBBJ on the sofa, asked if I had condom, no, and she just slid it in for BBFS. Continued on the bed and finally I shooted in CIM. Slept in each other arms. She woke up and left at 8 am she said she had driving class. That was a very fun night the way I like them. Later she texted that she had loads of fun and that if I wanted we could meet again and that I don't need to pay again. A shame that I didn't have time to take up on her offer as I would have loved to. Best experience so far in Colombia.

That is it for my Bogota experience, the city is cold and dirty, but it has a South American vibe to it which I liked. I liked the sheer number of options and girls available here as well. Now that I am in Medellin, I can definitely feel girls asking more inflated price here, especially on seeking where a few girls quoted me over 1 million cop prices, whereas no girl in Bogota quoted me above 500 k. Supply and demand I guess. Will be back in Bogota one day.[/QUOTE]Great report. Is it best to get an airBNG for this type of activity? I always stay at hotels and can see a potential problem with different girls coming in and out. I'm trying to get a black Colombian girl and some anal on my next trip so online ads might be the best way to get this.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2607291]Read Dublin12's report "The Holiday in Hell" before you try it:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2602033&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2602033.[/QUOTE]Reading through the threads, I know why the idea is so wrong in so many levels. Even if I don't get robbed, it might quickly become boring for both of us.

What do people think about girls from 'high end' escort agencies? E. g. Bogotaelite dot com. They guarantee that the girls speak fluent English, however this kind of defeats the point of going out of US. On the other hand, my (future) report might beat Dublin's if I paid her US 3500 for a week and get robbed on the very first day.

[QUOTE=TooCheesy;2607068]From my experience, its hit or miss, play it safe, keep your valuables hidden and never bring her home until you feel comfortable with her. You can go to a motel for a full night for cheap. I spent a total of 18 months in Colombia from 2019-now (Got stuck in lockdown during the pandemic) and I really only had 1 bad experience with a chica (I asked for help on this forum about it).

In terms of payment, again, it depends on the girl, some girls ask for high hourly rates but ask for double their hourly for an overnight. I usually go with 500 Dollars or 2 million a week and see what they say, it depends on your luck, how good your Spanish is, and their situation.

I've had a girl stay with me for 3 months for 10 million due to her just arriving in Bogota and was living out of motels, she didn't want to be a WG but she didn't have that option, so I had her stay with me until she found a job and a room. Now I got a girl on speed dial whenever I go there that's also down to help me find other chicas or go to Santa Fe with me.[/QUOTE]Given that I only have a short amount of time, it's too much of a risk to bring anyone to home.

Thanks for the tip and prices!

[QUOTE=TommyW;2607400]Given that I only have a short amount of time, it's too much of a risk to bring anyone to home.

Thanks for the tip and prices![/QUOTE]Even then DO NOT TRUST HER, I had, what I thought was a trusting relationship, exclusive (maybe jaja) with a very special girl in Bogota about 6 or 7 years ago. I began to notice some cash missing on various trips when I went to sleep or in the bathroom. Back then I would bring cash and use cambios. I always had a lot of cash with me. I use ATM's now because I can take only what I need for a day or 2 and get more. One night I went into the bathroom, waited for about 15 or 20 seconds and quickly went back to the room and I catch her jumping back into the bad all startled and shit. I wasn't missing any money on that trip but I then knew to be sure every dollar would be locked up in the safe or in my carry on with a lock on it. Later that week we went to Andres Carne for her birthday, she got drunk that night, go a little sick and went to sleep. The next morning I noticed the silver Mayan / Aztec necklace I bought myself in Peru was missing. I distinctly remember taking it off in bed and placing it on the night table. I was not drunk because I let her celebrate and I didn't drink much so as to take care of her. The necklace disappeared, I remember her acting concerned and going through the motions of looking for the necklace she knew she had stolen all along. I think that was the last time I saw her. Moral of the story, Never, never trust any woman in Latin America, The culture excuses theft if you have more than them, and if they think they can get away with it, they will. I have had some of the crazy things stolen in Latin america. I had one girl in Lima steal all my toiletries out of the bathroom where she went to freshen up before she left. Another one in Costa Rica stole the candies I had out for company to eat, she left and the chocolates disappeared. I've seen many many things in my 3 decades of traveling to Latin America so be smart and assume everyone of these girls can become a thief in a flash. I love the Latin culture and the women of course but when it comes to petty theft, most are but not all, are sneak thief's, watch out, be safe and happy mongering.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2607564] I've seen many many things in my 3 decades of traveling to Latin America so be smart and assume everyone of these girls can become a thief in a flash. I love the Latin culture and the women of course but when it comes to petty theft, most are but not all, are sneak thief's, watch out, be safe and happy mongering.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about your experience, but I have a complete other experience. I shared the same roof with latin american girls during 95% of my nights in the past 15 years, and I never EVER had to experience theft. Just common sence, when I sleep with a pro or a one night stand with someone out of my social circle, my valuable belongings are locked. In normal life with my social circle I never have to take care and never ever had any issue, not with long term relationship, not with one night stand and not with friends. I even lived during 2 years with 5 girls and never had any problem. You can trust a latina once you know her social circle and relatives and once she knows your social circle and relatives, how much you have fucked her is irrelevant. The only woman in my life that had robbed all my belongings was my ex-wife, and she was not from latin america

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2607564]Moral of the story, Never, never trust any woman in Latin America, The culture excuses theft if you have more than them, and if they think they can get away with it, they will. I have had some of the crazy things stolen in Latin america. I had one girl in Lima steal all my toiletries out of the bathroom where she went to freshen up before she left. Another one in Costa Rica stole the candies I had out for company to eat, she left and the chocolates disappeared. I've seen many many things in my 3 decades of traveling to Latin America so be smart and assume everyone of these girls can become a thief in a flash. I love the Latin culture and the women of course but when it comes to petty theft, most are but not all, are sneak thief's, watch out, be safe and happy mongering.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty new to mongering and absolutely new to Latin America, will keep your advice in mind!

In my trips elsewhere (Europe and Asia), pickpocketing artists got my wallet several times and I never caught any of them. Watch a street show, wallet gone; someone bumps into me, wallet gone; put luggage on the rack, wallet gone. They even got the wallet in the buttoned inside pocket of my jacket, just amazing.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2607126]Way to go, Raftar! This happened to me so many times with seeking, and I tried to tell guys here until I am blue in the face that seeking is different than just getting a hooker. Even if it is P4 P, most times, it is a much, much richer experience. Even though like with you, it is because the woman is into me that it is good, and the sex is more open often to boot. I have only had BBFS with a seeking woman. Hell, it was a struggle even to get a BBBBJ with some working women.

I think you are like the 6th guy Raftar I have talked to or met who has said that the seeking woman wants to spend time with them and not get any money. I thought that prostitution was more socially acceptable in Latin countries, and it is not. Any Latin woman with self worth does not want to take cash for sex.

There are so many women like the one you met who has a job but just wants better out of life, and she is not going to find it with a Colombian guy. So many guys here said that Colombian women want to hang with their novios. I saw that was wrong. The hos are afraid to step out of their comfort zone, but many if not most of the sophisticated nonpros want more out of life and the foreign guys who treat them well are often their best option.

I have had to blaze the seeking trail here, and I am glad you are seeing what I saw. Yes, the women really wanted to spend time with me. Yes, they really wanted to fuck me for no money. Yes, their orgasms were real. And yes, they really wanted to be my GF and would die to be my wife. I did not spend that much time in Colombia and only a week or so at a time usually, but I had like six hot 20 something women 7's to 9's who wanted to be my GF, and I was turning them away!

Anyway, if you take this girl to Cartagena or San Andreas and showed her a good time, she would want to be your GF. If you take her to Mexico or Costa Rica, she would probably want to marry you.

As for Medellin, the woman are a touch better looking, but there is a marked increase in materialism and an attitude that goes with it. All in all, I felt like the women in Bogota had a higher character, were much more real, and I enjoyed their company more.

But the three best fucks I had in Colombia were coastal girls or costenas. They are a rarer breed, but the best ones I met and bedded were hot fucking nymphos. They are / were at a different level.[/QUOTE]I guess scoring a freebie is possible, if she has a job and doesn't need money desperately, if she is not super hot and in her late 20's or early 30's. If there is no age gap (or very small one), and both look relatively the same (on the 1 to 10 scale), then there is really no need to pay, because there is no gap that needs to be covered with $. Otherwise, I don't see this happening, because they are on SA for a reason, that is to get some sugar. I have a very similar story. Last July I met a girl from SA in MDE, 29 yo, with a day time job (beauty business or something), living super close to where I was staying. Face 7, body 6. 5 or so (on the thicker side, not my type). She looked better on photos than in real life. We agreed on 250 mil PPM, she came over straight to my place, because that day I was not in the mood to go out and it was daytime, just too early to go out. Had some wine at my place, ordered Rappi. I was cialis enhanced. Started to make out, then moved to the bed. Same question. Do you have a condom? No? Then she proceeded to stick it in raw. Basically, BBFS saved the day. Otherwise it would be just an average or below average session. She was really surprised to see 250 mil in her purse after we were done, even though we agreed on 250 PPM prior to meeting. I could tell she was also surprised that I'm not much older than her. I can't say I had a terrible time with her, but I felt bad that I paid her, because I definitely could picked her or similar girl for free at a bar, club, etc. But since I like them young and hot, I feel like scoring a freebie is not feasible. Most of the young girls that I met, 18-23 yo are jobless or have shitty jobs and expect $ or gifts. This is why they are on SA in the first place.

Hi everyone,

I am going to Bogota for 2 weeks round October 10,2021. The last my visit was 2019.

Could you please make an update:

1) How active is Santa Fe.

2) Covid situation.

3) Any special Covid regulations.

4) General advice (if any new and important to know).

5) Advice for brothels / casas.

6) Anything special.

Thanks in advance.

Guys I really enjoyed Mezzanine on my last trip. I like the point and click without the walking around Santa Fe and that damn knock. That knock is why I won't return to Santa Fe. And the Don Carlton is right across the street. Bang a girl, walk to your hotel across the street and recharge and repeat.

Are there any other setups like Mezzanine in Bogota? Also what else is worth visiting around Mezzanine?

Showdown.

[QUOTE=TommyW;2607644]In my trips elsewhere (Europe and Asia), pickpocketing artists got my wallet several times and I never caught any of them. Watch a street show, wallet gone; someone bumps into me, wallet gone; put luggage on the rack, wallet gone. They even got the wallet in the buttoned inside pocket of my jacket, just amazing.[/QUOTE]Why do you carry a traditional wallet?

[QUOTE=Showdown;2607918]Guys I really enjoyed Mezzanine on my last trip. I like the point and click without the walking around Santa Fe and that damn knock. That knock is why I won't return to Santa Fe. And the Don Carlton is right across the street. Bang a girl, walk to your hotel across the street and recharge and repeat.

Are there any other setups like Mezzanine in Bogota? Also what else is worth visiting around Mezzanine?

Showdown.[/QUOTE]This is the building?

First time in Bogota and was surfing mileroticos for some fun. Kept seeing the same telephone number on many posts. Saw a couple of girls to my liking so I sent a message. I received 10 pics in return along with a picture of the location and instructions. I responded asking if a specific chica was available. They replied back and said yes.

I made the track to the address. There was a guy outside sipping on something. He followed me in as I made it to the reception desk. I showed him a pic of the girl I wanted. I told him if she wasn't available, I had a second choice. He told me the second choice wasn't available. He then sent a text message to someone letting them know I was coming up. The fee to go upstairs is 10,000 COP. He told me to go to room 404. I get to the 4th floor and two girls are walking half naked. They point me in the direction of the room. They yell out to all the other girls, I assume letting them know they had a customer. I get to 404 as the other two followed me. I stand in the living room area and a total of 6-7 girls come out and stand side to side. The girls ranged from 4-7's. I picked the chica I came for. She then took me up to her room. It was obvious this was her home.

The post stated 50.000 cop for 1 hour. We agreed on BBBJ, DFK, GFE. Total damage came to 100.000. She washed me up and immediately got on her knees. Overall a good session. 7/10 performance. Looks were 6/10. I will go back to check out another one. They also come to you.

Currently working SA.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2607884]Hi everyone,

I am going to Bogota for 2 weeks round October 10,2021. The last my visit was 2019.

Could you please make an update:

1) How active is Santa Fe.

2) Covid situation.

3) Any special Covid regulations.

4) General advice (if any new and important to know).

5) Advice for brothels / casas.

6) Anything special.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]1) Santa Fe is very active-- I must wright a report about Wednesday and last Friday-- Clubs were off the hook-- I may have to sneak over tonight.

2) Covid b-S; You have to wear a mask in public-- but the truth is no one really gives a crap about this b-S anymore-- Most wear the mask on chin.

I have had covid 5 times-- 2 times were semi serious my throat was closing up and than it passed-- Now I just get weird fevers and sneezing fits I guess that was the Delta or W-u?

I have a touch of tinitus-- which is a semi common symptom.

I mean I am out there in a population that passes it around In crowded strip clubs with bad ventilation-- No one wears masks in the clubs.

And Yes I was tested positive, they say the W-u originated here and was running rampant.

I am not getting into the covidVax Lotto of death and serious illness as I have immunity and do not want to risk my life with the vax.

RIP Marvin Hagler and many other covidVax deaths that have been covered up.

3) Not sure about new regs-- I think it is the same test requirement-- You should inquire.

The rest 4-6) Everything is the same as last year pretty much-- SF is better.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2608077]1) Santa Fe is very active-- I must wright a report about Wednesday and last Friday-- Clubs were off the hook-- I may have to sneak over tonight.

2) Covid b-S; You have to wear a mask in public-- but the truth is no one really gives a crap about this b-S anymore-- Most wear the mask on chin.

I have had covid 5 times-- 2 times were semi serious my throat was closing up and than it passed-- Now I just get weird fevers and sneezing fits I guess that was the Delta or W-u?

I have a touch of tinitus-- which is a semi common symptom.

I mean I am out there in a population that passes it around In crowded strip clubs with bad ventilation-- No one wears masks in the clubs.

And Yes I was tested positive, they say the W-u originated here and was running rampant.

I am not getting into the covidVax Lotto of death and serious illness as I have immunity and do not want to risk my life with the vax..[/QUOTE]Nice. Thanks for the report.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2608077]...I have had covid 5 times-....[/QUOTE]Isn't that some sort of world record?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2608260]Isn't that some sort of world record?[/QUOTE]More importantly what up with your immune system getting it 3rd 4th and 5th time? Maybe get yourself checked for that.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2608363]More importantly what up with your immune system getting it 3rd 4th and 5th time? Maybe get yourself checked for that.[/QUOTE]Um, No. People are reinfected all the time-- do you watch news? I have btested positive 3 times and the last 2 were very minor weird cold like symptoms-- All 5 instances.

Were odd symptoms that I have not had before.

I know many here are proVax and just cannot stand independent thought and are buying the line put out by BigPharma *****s in media and government.

To you all I say Wake the fuck up.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2608363]More importantly what up with your immune system getting it 3rd 4th and 5th time? Maybe get yourself checked for that.[/QUOTE]I have been checked I have Excellent health and as you can see in stats am at Super low risk for hospitalization / death by covid.

4th and 5th time were weird minor cold symptoms that do not respond to regular cold meds. The variants hit me and do little-- I have minor tinitus.

From the covid beginning I have not worried and been out there-- So naturally I caught it Covid has run rampant through Colombia-.

-- Most people in Colombia do not have time or the $$$ to be all Neurotic like I saw when I visited California in March.

I am so encouraged to see the World Wide Protests of the covid BullShit mandates.

I pray that there Shall Be a Reckoning for these media and government *****s that are paid by big pharma to push this crap vax.

To Stop covid deaths Obese, Sick and Old should vax and take precautions.

I made a Poem; Old and Sick All Should Flee-- Get Thee to a Nunnery.

[QUOTE=NIO400;2608035]This is the building?[/QUOTE]Yes walk up the stairs to the left. You will see all of the doors.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2608385]Um, No. People are reinfected all the time-- do you watch news? I have btested positive 3 times and the last 2 were very minor weird cold like symptoms-- All 5 instances.

Were odd symptoms that I have not had before.

I know many here are proVax and just cannot stand independent thought and are buying the line put out by BigPharma *****s in media and government.

To you all I say Wake the fuck up.[/QUOTE]Turgid and GeneHickman are correct. If you just think (but aren't sure) that you've been sick beyond the first 2 times, those might not have been actual infections but Covid long-term effects. Tinnitus, since you've mentioned it, is one of them.

But if you've really been diagnosed with Covid 5 times in 1. 5 years, there is something very wrong with your immune system. If there is anyone who needs a vaccine right away, that's you. For the record, no, I'm not a medical professional, but, I guess, it doesn't matter because you don't trust them anyway.

What you call an "independent thought" has another name -- old plain stubbornness. But, oh well.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2608433]Turgid and GeneHickman are correct. If you just think (but aren't sure) that you've been sick beyond the first 2 times, those might not have been actual infections but Covid long-term effects. Tinnitus, since you've mentioned it, is one of them.

But if you've really been diagnosed with Covid 5 times in 1. 5 years, there is something very wrong with your immune system. If there is anyone who needs a vaccine right away, that's you. For the record, no, I'm not a medical professional, but, I guess, it doesn't matter because you don't trust them anyway.

What you call an "independent thought" has another name -- old plain stubbornness. But, oh well.[/QUOTE]You need to read what I wrote. And I have been checked by a Dr.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2608385]Um, No. People are reinfected all the time-- do you watch news? I have btested positive 3 times and the last 2 were very minor weird cold like symptoms-- All 5 instances.

Were odd symptoms that I have not had before.

I know many here are proVax and just cannot stand independent thought and are buying the line put out by BigPharma *****s in media and government.

To you all I say Wake the fuck up.[/QUOTE]Each time you get the covid and your immune system clears it means you've got immunity from another strain. If everyone had the sense to do this, there'd be no need for profitable experimental vaccines.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2607918]Guys I really enjoyed Mezzanine on my last trip. I like the point and click without the walking around Santa Fe and that damn knock. That knock is why I won't return to Santa Fe. And the Don Carlton is right across the street. Bang a girl, walk to your hotel across the street and recharge and repeat.

Are there any other setups like Mezzanine in Bogota? Also what else is worth visiting around Mezzanine?

Showdown.[/QUOTE]I went to mezzanines 3 years ago and was very disappointed. Its hard to find and there are few girls crammed in small rooms without bathrooms. Never returned.

Not long ago I passed through Bogota with more time at the airport than I really wanted so I got on google maps and found Almendra spa not far away. Without enough Spanish to talk on the phone I just caught a taxi and went there as it was opening in the morning. The doorbell is loud enough to hear outside but it will take a little time for someone to come down the stairs to open the door. Only one girl was working at the time but she was probably early 20's with a nice body and a pretty face. A couple of young men who worked there barely even looked up from their phones as the girl guided me to the room. I'm really impressed with the enthusiasm of these Colombian women. She looked into my eyes a lot, kissed me on the lips (but not too deeply this one) and went to whichever position I wanted with a smile on her face. I'm not too good with condoms so I frequently opt for massages as you'll notice from some other posts. This time I just rolled her on her back for some 69 action. This girl was professional clean with almost no scent anywhere. She didn't hesitate to take me into her mouth and although she didn't swallow, she kept in her mouth the whole time until I pulled out on my own. I could feel her spitting everything out but she didn't flinch. It ran all down her face and neck. We had a pleasant chat for a time afterwords then she led me to a shower which, to my relief, had plenty of hot water. What a nice way to make a connecting flight in Bogota.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2608363]More importantly what up with your immune system getting it 3rd 4th and 5th time? Maybe get yourself checked for that.[/QUOTE]I guess having COVID 5 times trashes the antivaxxer theory that it if faaaaaar better to get COVID antibodies naturally.

On this particular trip I actually stayed over night in a hotel so I had a chance to do some looking a try my hand at an indie. Tiny with brown skin was the impulse for the moment so I made a morning appointment with Perla.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/3223657788-hoy-perla-ardiente-scort-vagina-apretadita-disponible-mananero/21511943/[/URL]

For some reason I didn't have the scale of the city worked out so getting to Chapinero took a while in a taxi. I'll find something closer to the GHL Hotel Capital next time. Once again I picked a girl who shares a work apartment with a few others but no pimp. It really kind of pissed me off that Perla was not there even though I had made an appointment. The girl I met said that if I wanted Perla I'd have to wait. After the cab ride and now some deception I decided not to waste anymore time and went with the girl in front of me. Not a bad choice really. Nice rack, brown skin, thicker than I wanted that morning but she gave good service. I get the impression that they aren't used to men that take their time and have a little foreplay. Her kisses were LFK at first but after massaging her and kissing her all over she just kept coming back with those lovely full lips and really wet tongue. Then she went to town on my nipples. With only about 15 minutes to go I finally let her put on the condom and she got on all fours for me. Nice display. All in all the trip was worth it even though I'm still annoyed at the bait and switch.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2608469]I went to mezzanines 3 years ago and was very disappointed. Its hard to find and there are few girls crammed in small rooms without bathrooms. Never returned.[/QUOTE]Yes the rooms are very small and there are no bathrooms. But that's why you stay at the Don Carlton across the street [URL]https://hotelesdann.com/dann-carlton-bogota/[/URL].

I liked it because I hate going from place to place. All of the girls are right there-about ten to fifteen-and all day long I can cross the street, get a quick nut, and go back to the hotel and work (working remotely right now). As far as the size of the room I like either bending them over or making them sit on the edge and open their legs. So from a position perspective it fits my needs as well. I like the who**house feel of the place. If there was another place in Bogota where all of the girls were in one place for a quick nut I would go there as well.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2608634]If there was another place in Bogota where all of the girls were in one place for a quick nut I would go there as well.[/QUOTE]There are tons of casas that fit this description. That is what most of the mongering in Bogota is I would say. I don't get the board's constant (I dont want to say obsession) of this one particular casa.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2608634]Yes the rooms are very small and there are no bathrooms. .[/QUOTE]While I failed to fine the place you visit I saw staying in just near at 4 star hotel that feel like one star, and went to Cra 15 #104-76. Ground floor all the way to the end right side.

This room is smaller then a rat house and sub-divided into sections so impossible to have sex just standing. I used the ultra wide angle lens of my phone.

Price? Who knows I offer 50 COP she was happy. Regardless of the photo outcome under super low light of the room she was white as a snow in reality. Now the reason I left Bogota is that in other cities Casa has real rooms with real double bed same price of 50 Cop. Not to mention real apartments with holiday destination feel.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2608645]There are tons of casas that fit this description. That is what most of the mongering in Bogota is I would say. I don't get the board's constant (I dont want to say obsession) of this one particular casa.[/QUOTE]Mr E would you be kind enough to list out some of these casas? I think many mention Mezzanine because not many of us know where the other casas with the same setup are. Educate us sir.

[QUOTE=NIO400;2608035]This is the building?[/QUOTE]Yes, this is the one. It literally is the mezzanine.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2608665]Mr E would you be kind enough to list out some of these casas? I think many mention Mezzanine because not many of us know where the other casas with the same setup are. Educate us sir.[/QUOTE]For years the brother World Travel 69 has taken tons of his time and energy to compose lists and maps for various locations on the planet. Simple as reading the forum.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2205-Bogota-Lists[/URL]

[QUOTE=Novio;2608667]Yes, this is the one. It literally is the mezzanine.[/QUOTE][URL]https://colombia.adultsearch.com/bogota/erotic-massage-parlor/spa-centro-de-masajes/7044[/URL]

I am not a spanish speaker. So what is the best way to communicate with SW in Santa Fe?

Is it advisable to use Google Translate with SW? It means I have to carry my phone with me and use it on street to communicate with SW. Is it safe?

Having a phone and using Google translate would work in Casa or club, but the same can pose a robbery / theft risk in Sante Fe.

I am thinking of having few flash cards with pre-translated spanish text, so I can communicate with SW without phone translator.

Need advice and recommedations from other mongers who have tackled the communication issue with Santa Fe SW.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2608721]Yep. That right there is sense. That's the kind of sense that says, since you're unlikely to get struck by lightning twice, you should do your best to get struck by lightning.

Apparently someone didn't get the memo. I can understand how some people didn't notice, but getting the virus also means there's a chance you will not get another chance to get the virus a second time. I guess that's one of the benefits of being dead. There's also the risk you'll end up spending 6 months in the hospital. I suppose that's a good thing if you like running up big medical bills. Then there's the risk of permanent disability, which is definitely a win, because you can get the good parking spots.

If you don't want to get vaccinated I really don't give a fuck, but if you're going to post idiotic things, people are going to notice.[/QUOTE]No sense of humor? We've had a report from a member stating he had covid 5 times! Hope to hear updates, if he makes it six.

[QUOTE=Kerty9;2608737]I am not a spanish speaker. So what is the best way to communicate with SW in Santa Fe?[/QUOTE]Woodman can help, PM him

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2608680]Woodman[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kerty9;2608737]I am not a spanish speaker. So what is the best way to communicate with SW in Santa Fe?

Is it advisable to use Google Translate with SW? It means I have to carry my phone with me and use it on street to communicate with SW. Is it safe?

Having a phone and using Google translate would work in Casa or club, but the same can pose a robbery / theft risk in Sante Fe.

I am thinking of having few flash cards with pre-translated spanish text, so I can communicate with SW without phone translator.

Need advice and recommedations from other mongers who have tackled the communication issue with Santa Fe SW.[/QUOTE]With Pesos!

[QUOTE=Nounce;2608782]Woodman can help, PM him[/QUOTE]I will be taking Woodman's 2 HR tour.

But he can't be with me every day to translate for me.

I am trying to learn from non-spanish speakers how they manage to translate with SW.

If I need to memorize something or print something or buy something, I still have a week time to take care of it before I land in Bogota.

[QUOTE=SubComm;2608787]With Pesos![/QUOTE]I have no idea what you meant.

[QUOTE=Kerty9;2608853]I have no idea what you meant.[/QUOTE]I think he's saying you can expect to pay more for not being able to communicate. So basically you're going to take a girl up without agreeing on anything specific, maybe a price that will already be higher than average, and then once you get up and have to use the translator to explain what you want, then she's going to again charge more than she usually would because she already has you as a customer. I don't know the scene very well but maybe your best bet is to bust out the translator after you get out of the street but before you pay for the room or anything else. You'll still pay more, but not as much more.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2608878]I think he's saying you can expect to pay more for not being able to communicate. So basically you're going to take a girl up without agreeing on anything specific, maybe a price that will already be higher than average, and then once you get up and have to use the translator to explain what you want, then she's going to again charge more than she usually would because she already has you as a customer. I don't know the scene very well but maybe your best bet is to bust out the translator after you get out of the street but before you pay for the room or anything else. You'll still pay more, but not as much more.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip. I am advised by some in Medellin forum that I should use a throw away phone to communicate and try to minimize bad experiences and outregeous upselling. I have done this successfully using google translate in Tijuana, Mexico. In Bogota, I just have to be lot more careful not to get robbed as I will be using my phone out in open to solicit SWs.

[QUOTE=Kerty9;2608848]...

If I need to memorize something or print something or buy something, I still have a week time to take care of it before I land in Bogota.[/QUOTE]Learn to say and understand the numbers. Use google translator to learn some simple words like "how much". The girls will understand even if the sentence is not complete.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2608832]My God, you guys and your MSNBC. How would you go about "checking the immune system"?

[/QUOTE]How would I go? I can think of several ways. They're listed here by real medical professionals for your viewing convenience.

[URL]https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/immunology/diagnostic-tests/immunodeficiency.aspx[/URL]

Could you do everyone a huge favor and keep your multiple fallacies, from "useless condoms" to "harmful vaccines," in American Politics? Every single one of your "arguments" have been thoroughly debunked there, but you just keep slinging the same old shit against the same wall over and over and over again. You as an [B]expert[/B] witness? My goodness, you'd be laughed out of a real courtroom 30 seconds after opening your mouth. Come to think of it, I'd pay good money to see that.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2609082]How would I go? I can think of several ways. They're listed here by real medical professionals for your viewing convenience.[/QUOTE]You MSNBC lovers do not even read your own links. "Our most common test is monitoring the number of CD4T cells in HIV patients, as well as measuring T cells, be cells and NK cells in babies and children with a suspected immunodeficiency, such as Severe Combined Immune Deficiency (SCID)."

So which one do you think he has, SCID found in children, or HIV? Have you even heard of SCID? Of course not. Yeah, that is how often your "testing the immune system" is done.

What happened with Woodman is common. 73% of people with Covid in 2020 had repeated + tests in a 2 month period in 2021. You just did not know that so you assumed it was not normal. Yeah I know MSNBC did not cover it, and you watch it and think you know everything.

As for Woodman's immune system, the most important thing is he said it was fine and given he was sick with covid multiple times and did not end up in a hospital, why would you think otherwise?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2609082]Could you do everyone a huge favor and keep your multiple fallacies, from "useless condoms" to "harmful vaccines," in American Politics?[/QUOTE]I will be happy to when you and your MSNBC watching fools quit recommending treatments and testing when you have no clue what you are talking about.

Great Report Dr. So many Dumbsses buying BigPharma propaganda!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2608859]Yeah, there is a problem with the data. All the countries right now that have 100,000 cases per million right now (save for tiny Georgia) are heavily vaccinated. In real life, though, I am seeing more infections among the unvaccinated than vaccinated. So I am like WTF is really going on?

Before I said that asymptomatic spread was bullshit, but now it would seem that it is what has to be going on. In fact, the only thing that fits the data in Israel is that the vaccinated are carrying the virus not having any or very mild symptoms and passing it onto those that are not vaccinated.

The interesting thing is where Covid numbers are fading: India, Colombia, Peru. There is a lot of natural immunity there, and that fits the Israeli data as well: [URL]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf[/URL].

This article is a long read, but it is the best I have read. I will say that this article changed my mind about vaccinations, and it confirmed what I deduced from the numbers: [URL]https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/the-snake-oil-salesmen-and-covid-zero.html[/URL].

Here are some of the highlights:

This never-ending conveyor belt of mutations means that everyone's immunity to COVID was always only going to be temporary and only offer partial cross-reactive protection against future re-infections. Thus, from day one, COVID vaccination was always doomed to the same fate as the flu vaccine a lifelong regimen of annual booster shots to try to keep pace with "variants" for those unwilling to expose themselves to the risk of a natural infection. And the hope that by the time the vaccines (and their booster shots) roll off the production line, they won't already be out of date when confronted by the current generation of virus mutations..[/QUOTE]

Just study some elementary Spanish.

[QUOTE=Kerty9;2608737]I am not a spanish speaker. So what is the best way to communicate with SW in Santa Fe?

Is it advisable to use Google Translate with SW? It means I have to carry my phone with me and use it on street to communicate with SW. Is it safe?

Having a phone and using Google translate would work in Casa or club, but the same can pose a robbery / theft risk in Sante Fe.

I am thinking of having few flash cards with pre-translated spanish text, so I can communicate with SW without phone translator.

Need advice and recommedations from other mongers who have tackled the communication issue with Santa Fe SW.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2609104]You MSNBC lovers do not even read your own links. "Our most common test is monitoring the number of CD4T cells in HIV patients, as well as measuring T cells, be cells and NK cells in babies and children with a suspected immunodeficiency, such as Severe Combined Immune Deficiency (SCID)."

So which one do you think he has, SCID found in children, or HIV? Have you even heard of SCID? Of course not. Yeah, that is how often your "testing the immune system" is done.

What happened with Woodman is common. 73% of people with Covid in 2020 had repeated + tests in a 2 month period in 2021. You just did not know that so you assumed it was not normal. Yeah I know MSNBC did not cover it, and you watch it and think you know everything.

As for Woodman's immune system, the most important thing is he said it was fine and given he was sick with covid multiple times and did not end up in a hospital, why would you think otherwise?

I will be happy to when you and your MSNBC watching fools quit recommending treatments and testing when you have no clue what you are talking about.[/QUOTE]1. You previously uttered this:

[QUOTE]My God, you guys and your MSNBC. How would you go about "checking the immune system"?[/QUOTE]I was surprised you didn't know the answer to this question. Nevertheless, I told you how. The link in my post contained 11 (that's eleven) immunodeficiency tests.

And then you did what all propagandists do. You picked two tests -- 2 out of 11 that suited your ideological needs, fully ignoring all others.

Now, most of those tests probably wouldn't apply to Woodman, but I did answer your question. And you could've found it on your own in 5 seconds if you hadn't been devoured with an all-encompassing mission to "own a lib. " That's what it's all about to you, isn't it?

2. Based on your multiple comments, it seems you have deep-seated issues with MSNBC. May I suggest you voice your grievance with them directly? I assure you, I have no influence over what MSNBC is broadcasting.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2609228]1. You previously uttered this:

I was surprised you didn't know the answer to this question. Nevertheless, I told you how. The link in my post contained 11 (that's eleven) immunodeficiency tests.[/QUOTE]The correct answer to the question is you do not do testing on someone who has gotten better. But if I wanted to test Woodman's immune system, I would get a CBC and check for Covid antibodies.

Among your 11 tests was one for tetanus. How you came up with that is beyond me.

Yeah, you really showed me up, lib.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2609041]Learn to say and understand the numbers. Use google translator to learn some simple words like "how much". The girls will understand even if the sentence is not complete.[/QUOTE]I remember seeing in the forum by someone preparing a list of Spanish phrases that could be useful when communicating. Can't find it anymore.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/hermosa-flaca-ardiente-dispuesta-a-complacerte/21436318/[/URL]

Late one night at a Bogota hotel in Fontibon I had the urge and went looking for chicas who advertised 24 horas. Danna came up in the search and answered the WA message and arrived at the hotel surprisingly quickly. After giving her the hotel name and address she still had some confusion about the location but we eventually worked it out. The hotel had no problem letting me have a guest but she needed some ID for the front desk, but since she didn't carry any it took a little while for them to let her in. She is the girl in the ad, gentle and discreet. I'm into foreplay and massaging and she was ok with it but I could tell she was tolerating it and would rather get things moving and go home. No DFK with her and all with condom. Maybe if I weren't 40 years older than her she might get into it a little more. She is no kidding flaca and has a pretty smile.

I'll be back in Bogota in a couple of weeks and at the same hotel on El Dorado near the Bogota Corporate Center. I'd appreciate any recommendations for girls which are nearby or arrive at the hotel dressed so as not to draw too much attention. DFK too.

Just adding some recent reports. If these are helpful to you please post your own.

Karo.

Starting with the facts. Outcall, full hour. DFK, CBJ, 69, cowgirl, k9, missionary, side (idk what that's even called). Damage was 220, overpaid but at least she came to me and so far she's been my favorite. She's the girl from the pics, very pretty with a bubbly attitude. A total trooper, I take a long while to finish and she didn't complain at all. Not a clock watcher, she genuinely seemed to enjoy herself and it seemed like she wasn't faking the Os. Everything was very comfortable, can't understate how affectionate she was. I'd consider this a true GFE, YMMV. Would rate experience 8 out of 10, which is VERY good on my scale.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/hola-amor-soy-karo-3112595463-ven-a-pasarla-delicioso/18996076/[/URL]

Katalina (Kata).

Outcall, full hour, 170 was damage. CBJ, Cowgirl, K9. She's 19 and from Venezuela. She was nice, but noticeably young and inexperienced. If you like young girls then she may be for you but I'm probably just getting too old to enjoy these girls in their late teens / early 20's FWIW. She expected multi pop, because she mentioned she only brought on cover and asked if I had more. Fortunately it's not necessary with me. And what I really liked is that she's a FULL HOUR kind of girl. She set her timer when we started and even after we finished she laid there with me and chatted for a bit until the alarm went off rather than that "OK business done, time to clean and go" kind of experience. If I'm remembering right she offered BBBJ as an extra but I turned it down since I don't finish from it anyway.

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/chapinero/linda-joven-con-las-mejores-promociones-id-bzuss[/URL]

If I'm remembering right.

Greetings all,

I am looking for the higher end options of girls. Where can I find the top notch ones? Websites or place recommendations would be much appreciated. And is it possible to go to the high end strip clubs and not drink at all? Just take the girl home?

[QUOTE=TiguereAbroad;2609458]Katalina (Kata). Outcall, full hour, 170 was damage.

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/chapinero/linda-joven-con-las-mejores-promociones-id-bzuss[/URL][/QUOTE]Her ad says 110,000 for 1 hour, so I take it there was a 60,000 charge for her to come to you.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2608832]Hell, Fauci did not know what to say with regards to vaccinating previously infected people in light of the recent Israeli data on how much better natural immunity was in comparison to vaccine induced immunity, but you do. Oh right, that Israeli study has not been peer reviewed.
[/QUOTE]You either do not read what you cite, or you do not fully comprehend what you read. Let me help you out, my man.

In case you did read that pre-print, it should not have escaped your notice that this is an observational study. With that, you have to be extremely careful to make sure your groups are comparable, in the sense that differences you see between the groups are not due to design issues and how the subjects were ascertained. So people in the field usually have a fine antenna out for potential problems. This pre-print stands out in the sense that you can see right away (on the abstract page!) that there is a humdinger of a flaw.

"SARS-CoV-2-nave vaccines had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8. 08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021."

Vaccination in Israel started December 19, 2020. Who were the people who got vaccinated in January and February of 2021? The most ill, frail, in general, the people at the highest risk. It is almost comical that Gazit et al thought that by matching age, sex, and geographical area (and adjusting occasionally for an ICD code, which they said didn't make a difference anyways) they can generate an appropriate comparison group (and if there is a variable you want to match on, it is comorbidity, which only highlights their utter quantitative ignorance). To the day we do not fully understand what all the CoViD risk factors are, but according to these guys, one only needs age, sex, zip code, an ICD code (maybe), bam, done. What a bunch of clowns.

There are other issues too. People who get vaccinated tend to have a different exposure than the unvaccinated, which they acknowledge in the Discussion but throw the hands in the air about ("although we controlled for age, sex, and region of residence, our results might be affected by differences between the groups in terms of health behaviors (such as social distancing and mask wearing), a possible confounder that was not assessed" It is easy to see many other potential problems. There is a reason randomized clinical trials are the gold standard, since by definition, the difference you see must be due to the treatment (or is the result of some very unlikely outcome, with a likelihood that itself can be quantified). Yes, there is an entire field trying to draw causal inference from observational studies, but it surely requires more diligence and skills than these yahoos appear to have.

All the technical study design mambo jambo aside, the most important question in science is "does this make sense"? Quite often, when we analyze the data from a study, the results do support what we believed a priori. But sometimes they don't. Then the question is 'How come'? And we start to ask ourselves whether there could be explanations we have not considered before. And if we cannot come up with an explanation, that means we either observed something that still escapes us, or something went awry. Case in point: when it comes to CoViD-19, we consistently see that vaccination produces greater amounts of circulating antibodies than natural infection. So on a molecular level, how is it possible that higher antibody levels lead to poorer health outcomes? I have no idea. Do you?

I'll keep an eye out, but I won't hold my breath that this manuscript will make it into a decent journal.

You are welcome.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2609528]Her ad says 110,000 for 1 hour, so I take it there was a 60,000 charge for her to come to you.[/QUOTE]That is correct. It would have been less if I travelled but I'm not comfortable going to houses or w / e she was at while at night.

[QUOTE=ThatDudeThere;2609498]Greetings all,

I am looking for the higher end options of girls. Where can I find the top notch ones? Websites or place recommendations would be much appreciated. And is it possible to go to the high end strip clubs and not drink at all? Just take the girl home?[/QUOTE]Lido's is the highest end strip club in the North. I was there just a month ago. Don't bother with any other clubs in the north El Retiro area like La Piscina, Olympics or Dan Carlos (I think that's the name) as they mostly have average looking girls at high prices, most from Venezuela. For your typical monger it's best just to avoid north Bogota altogether and stick to the Santa Fe area in the south, but if you have money to burn you could check out Lidos. I was there a month ago and there were a lot of 7 and 8 level girls, a couple of 9's but they were with other customers. It's 200 K COP exit fee (about $50 US just to take a girl out of the club. Last time I took a girl out of there was several years ago and paid about 500 K COP for 2 hours, so pretty expensive. Make sure you negotiate the fee before hand for several hours or all night. I've heard of tourists getting charged large amounts of money in the morning since they didn't speak much Spanish and didn't agree on a fee. If the girl is negotiating in US dollars you are pretty guaranteed to get ripped off.

There is no way to avoid buying at least one drink for yourself and the girl. Cheapest drinks are 40 K COP ($10 US) for you and probably twice that for the girl. But if these prices scare you, you probably shouldn't even visit this club. You can get at least 5 girls in Santa Fe area for the price of 1 in the north.

Another option is Flirt Hotel. I visited there several years ago and not sure if it's still open, although google says it is. You don't have to actually stay there to visit the girls, but you do have to call ahead of time and make an appointment to visit. When I called several years ago the person answering spoke English, but who knows if they will now.

This place operates like a casa in that when you arrive, you'll sit on a couch and they'll bring out girls in a lineup for you to choose from. There were about 10 girls and some stunners in the mix. There are rooms on site for you to take the girls and rooms are 5 star quality. Girls are 600 K COP for 30 minutes or 900 K COP for 1 hour, so very expensive. Close to US prices although you're dealing with much hotter girls than in the US.

As far as online girls, can't help you much there. It's been hit and miss for me. There are some stunners that can be found but also had a lot of bait and switch.

Been a bit since my last report but obviously covid situation has made everyone's plans a little different. Anyway, I'll be heading to Bogota for the first time ever come Thursday evening and will be staying for a few months in Colombia. Could use some overall newb guidance and it's been years since I've spoke the basics of Spanish so I'll be starting that trek again from scratch. I did RTFF going back about 15 pages in this section and general reports too but still looking for some general help in getting me going. Wouldn't mind an English / Spanish guide / play thing if that's possible. I'm sure with enough time given, I'll find my own anyway.

I'm not really looking to go into Santa Fe anytime soon either but I wouldn't mind an upscale casa around the Chapinero area where I'll be spending my first four nights or if there is something like The Mansion in Medellin that's newb friendly. My hotel is the 72 HUB apartment and not looking to bring anything back to my home either. (I have too much crap and lots of high value items to worry about hiding them all the time.) I prefer getting a separate hotel for when I feel like ordering takeout or bringing something shiny and fun back from wherever I found it. Any info there would be great.

I did match with a cam girl of some sort on Tinder and we might be hooking up but her English is minimal. She's hot AF of course but I'm keeping her at a distance and not falling for the "amor" crap. If it doesn't work, no biggie. If it does, expect a report in due time. I'll include a few pics to see if anyone here has smashed it yet. I wouldn't be surprised hehe. I'm suspecting she has a Colombian novio or three and a few gringo ones too based on her aloof texting routine and common sense but if she wants to play the game, I'm down. Found her Tinder in another city under another name and age too but we both know what she does to get money from guys so there's no secret there. Still, I have my wits about me and can cut ties if I feel some shady shit around the corner.

I'm 42 now, don't drink and am pretty fit. I don't mind some nice upscale bars to meet real girls but in general, I avoided the club scene and partiers. They get on my nerves. My day game is generally pretty solid no matter where I am so my biggest obstacle will be lack of Spanish for quite some time but I'm a fast learner. A great massage with full BBBJCIM or call-in service would be ideal. I only really enjoy sex if there's some type of chemistry connection now anyway but I don't mind being spoiled by a pro that has an A' game.

I guess what I'm looking for from the vets here is a little help with finding a good English guide that's trustworthy, a decent apartment in a safe neighborhood (around $500-600 usd furnished preferably but not mandatory.) I can get my own furniture over time. Also, within a kilometer close to a good gym, lap swimming pool, decent restaurants, and a supermarket since I walk just about everywhere or take a taxi when the weather is shit. New sim card with Colombian number and data will be needed too but I can probably figure this out on my own with some googling.

I'm not in a rush to get to the chicas as I fully live abroad now and tired of the Asian lockdowns, hence the move. Any help or tips would be much appreciated. This was a sudden new change of plans so I'm trying to rush the education all at once. I'll put up a few pics of camgirl Chica if any of you recognize this loose cannon hehe. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Trace79;2609647]Been a bit since my last report but obviously covid situation has made everyone's plans a little different. Anyway, I'll be heading to Bogota for the first time ever come Thursday evening and will be staying for a few months in Colombia. Could use some overall newb guidance and it's been years since I've spoke the basics of Spanish so I'll be starting that trek again from scratch. I did RTFF going back about 15 pages in this section and general reports too but still looking for some general help in getting me going. Wouldn't mind an English / Spanish guide / play thing if that's possible. I'm sure with enough time given, I'll find my own anyway.

I'm not really looking to go into Santa Fe anytime soon either but I wouldn't mind an upscale casa around the Chapinero area where I'll be spending my first four nights or if there is something like The Mansion in Medellin that's newb friendly. My hotel is the 72 HUB apartment and not looking to bring anything back to my home either. (I have too much crap and lots of high value items to worry about hiding them all the time.) I prefer getting a separate hotel for when I feel like ordering takeout or bringing something shiny and fun back from wherever I found it. Any info there would be great...[/QUOTE]Godspeed on your relocation to Bogota. The place is just too cold and rainy for me, been traveling and visiting Bogota for decades now and am so glad that I choose Medellin to live in 5 years now, could not be happier.

And yes the photo of your Tinder girl, basically they are dime a dozen here, just know that they all play their games so never ever trust even one single word they tell you, never ever take anyone or anything serious here rather just play and enjoy.

Best of luck.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Ptrbrgr;2609559]You either do not read what you cite, or you do not fully comprehend what you read. Let me help you out, my man

....

You are welcome.[/QUOTE]Thank god to see some sense here. So much shit in so many preprints.

[QUOTE=TiguereAbroad;2609574]That is correct. It would have been less if I travelled but I'm not comfortable going to houses or w / e she was at while at night.[/QUOTE]Besides that, when you do go to them some of the chicks are at hotel rooms where you have to pay 10,000 or 20,000 in addition.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2609800]Godspeed on your relocation to Bogota. The place is just too cold and rainy for me, been traveling and visiting Bogota for decades now and am so glad that I choose Medellin to live in 5 years now, could not be happier.

And yes the photo of your Tinder girl, basically they are dime a dozen here, just know that they all play their games so never ever trust even one single word they tell you, never ever take anyone or anything serious here rather just play and enjoy.

Best of luck.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Thanks but the rain and cool air are things I enjoy, especially when running. I'm used to women in general playing games too. I don't mind that either. My emotions don't get involved and it frees any guilt from playing the game myself when I wouldn't that with the good girls.

[QUOTE=Blade2001;2609620]Lido's is the highest end strip club in the North. I was there just a month ago. Don't bother with any other clubs in the north El Retiro area like La Piscina, Olympics or Dan Carlos (I think that's the name) as they mostly have average looking girls at high prices, most from Venezuela. For your typical monger it's best just to avoid north Bogota altogether and stick to the Santa Fe area in the south, but if you have money to burn you could check out Lidos. I was there a month ago and there were a lot of 7 and 8 level girls, a couple of 9's but they were with other customers. It's 200 K COP exit fee (about $50 US just to take a girl out of the club. Last time I took a girl out of there was several years ago and paid about 500 K COP for 2 hours, so pretty expensive. Make sure you negotiate the fee before hand for several hours or all night. I've heard of tourists getting charged large amounts of money in the morning since they didn't speak much Spanish and didn't agree on a fee. If the girl is negotiating in US dollars you are pretty guaranteed to get ripped off.

There is no way to avoid buying at least one drink for yourself and the girl. Cheapest drinks are 40 K COP ($10 US) for you and probably twice that for the girl. But if these prices scare you, you probably shouldn't even visit this club. You can get at least 5 girls in Santa Fe area for the price of 1 in the north.

Another option is Flirt Hotel. I visited there several years ago and not sure if it's still open, although google says it is. You don't have to actually stay there to visit the girls, but you do have to call ahead of time and make an appointment to visit. When I called several years ago the person answering spoke English, but who knows if they will now..[/QUOTE]Helpful information. Thank you. I speak fluent Spanish and not new to the tactics of girls / the club adding fees so I know to strongly push back and confirm everything upfront, however doesn't sound too exciting with only a few 9's. Overall surprised at the lack of any upscale options or truly hot chicks (not just 7's which are plentiful) in Colombia vs other countries.

Do people like guest friendly hotels, or the quickie one hour hotel rooms best?

Any suggestions for a guest friendly hotel?

Also, are there currently draconian Covid restrictions like in SE Asia?

Thank you.

City is a lot of fun if you do it properly. A quick report about my stay so far. I've met several members from the board and made a few friends. As long as you're semi-sociable I'm happy to grab a drink.

Santa Fe. A few pointers:

- Get Woodman's tour. See it as a rite of passage if you will. Woodman is also a good guy who will have your back. You will quickly get a hang of how the area works.

- Try to go with someone. It makes for a more fun experience and probably safer. This board is a great tool to help you find wingmen.

- Dress down, there's no one to impress. Don't carry more belongings than you need.

- There is a lot of police and you might encounter one sooner or later and it's no big deal, the bark is usually worse than the bite. Seems to happen more past 11 pm.

- If you feel a bit overwhelmed by the streets, head to one of the clubs. Make friends with a mesero who will remember you and help you next time.

What makes Bogota a sin city is the amount of options available. SF, casas, prepagos, SA. Try them all and see what works for you. Not nearly as many options as São Paulo, but you could bang a different girl every day and barely scratch the surface. I've met some gems.

Started hanging out with a partygirl I met while working out, who also acts as my new tour guide and gives all the hot spots in town to check out. On that note, there's soo much more to the city than P2 P. Unsurprisingly, in a city of 8-9 M people.

For some fine dining, head to Osk Peru (Zona T), a Japanese Peruvian restaurant. A bit expensive by Colombian standards but place, food and service is excellent. Been there several times. Make sure to ask for the Nikkei Experience where the chef brings you one dish after the other (Omakase style). If you're with a girl, ask to be seated in the indoor garden, if you're alone sit at the bar. FYI hostess is smoking hot and plays hard to get.

Walk out of the restaurant and head to the nearby bars which are all walking distance on Carrera 13. Some of them have a pretty upscale local clientele. I'm pretty fluent in Spanish but these bars are where I found the most English speaking and well-travelled crowds. I won't expand much more as this forum is mainly about P2 P but this area is great to meet girls.

Not new to this scene, but first visit to Colombia. Thank you all for sharing useful info. First thought of going to Tijuana, after reading several posts here, drifted to Bogota. Booked air tickets and San Francisco for now. Looking for better accommodation. Where did you stay? Is it girl friendly?

Many people talked about Woodman. We all should be glad to have such nice person here. I will PM him.

I will be there Nov 1st week. Interested to meet other members. Please PM me if your travel dates are same.

[QUOTE=Parks292;2610155]City is a lot of fun if you do it properly. A quick report about my stay so far. I've met several members from the board and made a few friends. As long as you're semi-sociable I'm happy to grab a drink.

Santa Fe. A few pointers:

- Get Woodman's tour. See it as a rite of passage if you will. Woodman is also a good guy who will have your back. You will quickly get a hang of how the area works.

- Try to go with someone. It makes for a more fun experience and probably safer. This board is a great tool to help you find wingmen.

- Dress down, there's no one to impress. Don't carry more belongings than you need.

- There is a lot of police and you might encounter one sooner or later and it's no big deal, the bark is usually worse than the bite. Seems to happen more past 11 pm.

- If you feel a bit overwhelmed by the streets, head to one of the clubs. Make friends with a mesero who will remember you and help you next time..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Parks292;2610155]City is a lot of fun if you do it properly. A quick report about my stay so far. I've met several members from the board and made a few friends. As long as you're semi-sociable I'm happy to grab a drink.

Santa Fe. A few pointers:

- Get Woodman's tour. See it as a rite of passage if you will. Woodman is also a good guy who will have your back. You will quickly get a hang of how the area works.

- Try to go with someone. It makes for a more fun experience and probably safer. This board is a great tool to help you find wingmen.

- Dress down, there's no one to impress. Don't carry more belongings than you need.

- There is a lot of police and you might encounter one sooner or later and it's no big deal, the bark is usually worse than the bite. Seems to happen more past 11 pm..[/QUOTE]Good report. Thank you, glad there's still some people putting in worthwhile information here. The covid bickering needs its own thread ffs. Nice details on what streets are more English friendly too. That's going to be my biggest crutch for a while it seems. Hope to read some more stuff from you soon.

[QUOTE=Parks292;2610155]City is a lot of fun if you do it properly. A quick report about my stay so far. I've met several members from the board and made a few friends. As long as you're semi-sociable I'm happy to grab a drink.

Santa Fe. A few pointers:

- Get Woodman's tour. See it as a rite of passage if you will. Woodman is also a good guy who will have your back. You will quickly get a hang of how the area works.

- Try to go with someone. It makes for a more fun experience and probably safer. This board is a great tool to help you find wingmen.

- Dress down, there's no one to impress. Don't carry more belongings than you need.

- There is a lot of police and you might encounter one sooner or later and it's no big deal, the bark is usually worse than the bite. Seems to happen more past 11 pm.

- If you feel a bit overwhelmed by the streets, head to one of the clubs. Make friends with a mesero who will remember you and help you next time..[/QUOTE]I'm pretty fluent in Spanish and was looking to experience more of the non P2P. Appreciate the good info and down to meetup with others from the board in Bogota.

For anyone else interested in experiences like Osk Peru from Park's report try LEO on Calle 65 & Carrera 5. It's hidden, almost like a speakeasy but there's a big LEO sign on the wall and a doorman that will open a very well hidden door to the place. You can't just walk in off the street, they'll radio in and see if there's room before they let you in unless you have a reservation. It's the highest end dining I've seen in the city so far, I'd rate the quality on par with an upscale restaurant in Las Vegas or Miami.

On the 2nd floor there's an amazing bar / lounge that reminds me of my favorite place in Miami. 1st floor is the main dining area if you don't want to sit at the bar, but you may want to make a reservation as they get busy sometimes. A great place to chill and have drinks if you don't mind the cost. Expect to pay 35,000 for a drink but if you like that lounge upscale vibe then I recommend the 2nd floor bar.

Got in last night and made it okay to my hotel. Was able to meet a nice girl that helped with the taxi situation which seems pretty sketchy here for non-Spanish speakers. Can tell that my hotel (Residences HUB 72 on calle 72 and Carrera 26) isn't really close to anything but a nice gym it seems. Also not sure if it's chica friendly but I'm leaning no.

First thing's first is a sim card from Claro so I can use the Uber app. Hear too many horror stories about regular taxis especially for non-Spanish speakers. Even illegal Uber app but oh well. Can't walk everywhere.

If anyone knows a good apartment 2 bedrooms (so I can lock up my valuables) in an area that is walking distance to a gym and supermarket, that would be valuable info. I'm going to take a Spanish language course here too so any recommendations would be helpful on that as well.

I'm aware Medellin has better weather. Not looking to move to the tourist areas. I want to fly back and forth from Belgrade, Serbia with ease and without the connecting flights. Thanks again.

New report, only going to submit the ones worth mentioning. This one's a top performer, definitely worth a try.

1 h outcall for 160, I took the 20 extra for BBBJ because why the hell not even though I never finish from it. I paid for the Uber, so all in it was really like 200. She works with a house / agency and her incall rate is 120 if I remember right I still don't think it's worth it to go somewhere at night that I'm unfamiliar with for a 40,000 difference. She's Venezuelan and the one from the pictures, oddly enough she looked way better in person than in her pictures. Body is 8/10, Service 10/10, personality / attitude 7/10.

When she got here we went right to the room and as I was taking my pants off she tosses a pillow on the floor. For a second I'm thinking, wtf, but then she gets on her knees and goes right to town with a BBBJ. After a few minutes we switch to the bed and continue with a 69 BBBJ that went on for what had to be like 15-20 minutes before I got off. Seems like a lot, but that's probably the 2nd time it's ever happened. This girl is really fucking good, she knows how to use her hands with it and doesn't just treat it like a popsicle. After clean up we chilled for a bit on the bed, then she starts with a HJ leading into another BBBJ into covered cowgirl (if you can even call it that, these Colombian girls do it different). Turns out she's phenomenal at that too. Knows exactly how to move her body, her hips, light moans, etc and she actually does a majority of the work. Switched to K9 where we went hard. She's super into it, go back to her on top while the alarm for the time being up is ringing and we just keep resetting it and going until I finish.

All in all she was probably the best performer I've experienced out of my last 50 and the fact that we went 15 minutes past the time without her complaining so I could get off a second time made it my best experience here so far. Personality wise, she was a bit more business than some of the others but she made up for it in the service department and she didn't press me for time. So considering that and the relatively low cost (180 + transport) I'd rate the overall experience 9/10.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/3114505329tffany-scot-de-lujos-llegada-a-tu-ciudad-con-ganas-de-sexo/21282668/[/URL]

Lastly I'll just say that mongering in the US sucks compared to here. It's like all downside no upside. To be fair, I probably pay on the higher side because they come to me, so like 150-200 on average but these girls treat this shit like a real job. They come in, they're professional, do their job, don't complain, get paid and leave. Even the non P2P girls are better so far, maybe the US just sucks. End rant.

Can you put link to mileroticos ad?

[QUOTE=Reggie1980;2608062]First time in Bogota and was surfing mileroticos for some fun. Kept seeing the same telephone number on many posts. Saw a couple of girls to my liking so I sent a message. I received 10 pics in return along with a picture of the location and instructions. I responded asking if a specific chica was available. They replied back and said yes.

I made the track to the address. There was a guy outside sipping on something. He followed me in as I made it to the reception desk. I showed him a pic of the girl I wanted. I told him if she wasn't available, I had a second choice. He told me the second choice wasn't available. He then sent a text message to someone letting them know I was coming up. The fee to go upstairs is 10,000 COP. He told me to go to room 404. I get to the 4th floor and two girls are walking half naked. They point me in the direction of the room. They yell out to all the other girls, I assume letting them know they had a customer. I get to 404 as the other two followed me. I stand in the living room area and a total of 6-7 girls come out and stand side to side. The girls ranged from 4-7's. I picked the chica I came for. She then took me up to her room. It was obvious this was her home.

The post stated 50.000 cop for 1 hour. We agreed on BBBJ, DFK, GFE. Total damage came to 100.000. She washed me up and immediately got on her knees. Overall a good session. 7/10 performance. Looks were 6/10. I will go back to check out another one. They also come to you.

Currently working SA.[/QUOTE]

Alright so I spent a week there in Colombia.

Visited Bog, mde and Cali, it was ok.

Different places were closed since the last time I went. Santa Fe is really busy by night.

The highlights for me were:

1st time I went to la mezzanine, I felt really overwhelmed by the girls all rushing on the balcony. I did not plan to stay but just visit out of curiosity. Eventually I decided to spend some time with a chica, best session I had on the whole week and I consider having been lucky the whole trip. She was really absolutely great.

In Medellin I've been lucky too, one venezolana (plaza botero) on the flaka side but she was cool and we had a great time. In the new life, I met a girl I knew from an old trip to Venezuela, she remembered me and we laughed about how unexpected seeing her there in Colombia 5 years later was, great session too. In the others casa I met a few really nice chicas some where really pretty, some others were basically physically exciting to me so I was 100% in.

I had no bad time in the casas in Medellin.

In Cali I contacted Jesus (see Cali thread). He showed me around the first day but I ended intoxicated end had to go sleep.

The second day was fiesta a lot of casas were I actually had two bad sessions (I think I had 3 during the whole week). I did some club hoping but not much in Cali in comparison to Medellin.

As usual be careful in Bogota the mecero is there to make you spend more money than you should, idem for the chica.

I write this summary I don't think it is necessary to enter details.

Well yes in Chapinero Bogota prices are around 40 to 60 k the half hour. There are more expensive s clubs but I'm just not sure it is worth it. I had 4 to 5 really good sessions there the rest being "ok".

I've been using seeking and it's been pretty good so far, been making a lot of good connections. One thing that really pisses me off though is how these girls are openly giving me their hourly and nightly rates while also wanting me to take them out to dinner first. Like they want money for sex without having to think of themselves as someone who provides sex for money. I think I'm just going to start suggesting I pay extra to skip the restaurant but I could see that not going smoothly. As much as this app can and probably will end up being an asset for me, it's making me remember how much I have to pretend to be someone I'm not just to get along with typical women. That's all, rant over.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2611508]One thing that really pisses me off though is how these girls are openly giving me their hourly and nightly rates while also wanting me to take them out to dinner first. Like they want money for sex without having to think of themselves as someone who provides sex for money. I think I'm just going to start suggesting I pay extra to skip the restaurant but I could see that not going smoothly.[/QUOTE]Why not just go to Santa Fe or a casa in Chapinero if you want to skip taking them out to dinner?

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2611508]I've been using seeking and it's been pretty good so far, been making a lot of good connections. One thing that really pisses me off though is how these girls are openly giving me their hourly and nightly rates while also wanting me to take them out to dinner first. Like they want money for sex without having to think of themselves as someone who provides sex for money. I think I'm just going to start suggesting I pay extra to skip the restaurant but I could see that not going smoothly. As much as this app can and probably will end up being an asset for me, it's making me remember how much I have to pretend to be someone I'm not just to get along with typical women. That's all, rant over.[/QUOTE]Dinner's cheap. And you'll find out if you actually want to fuck her or she just annoys you too much.

[QUOTE=Trace79;2610450]Got in last night and made it okay to my hotel. Was able to meet a nice girl that helped with the taxi situation which seems pretty sketchy here for non-Spanish speakers. Can tell that my hotel (Residences HUB 72 on calle 72 and Carrera 26) isn't really close to anything but a nice gym it seems. Also not sure if it's chica friendly but I'm leaning no.

First thing's first is a sim card from Claro so I can use the Uber app. Hear too many horror stories about regular taxis especially for non-Spanish speakers. Even illegal Uber app but oh well. Can't walk everywhere.

If anyone knows a good apartment 2 bedrooms (so I can lock up my valuables) in an area that is walking distance to a gym and supermarket, that would be valuable info. I'm going to take a Spanish language course here too so any recommendations would be helpful on that as well.

I'm aware Medellin has better weather. Not looking to move to the tourist areas. I want to fly back and forth from Belgrade, Serbia with ease and without the connecting flights. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]Yeah taxis here are super-iffy and getting worse. Latest scam is the "passengers" who get out when you flag one down stab you and steal your shit. Caveat fucking emptor.

I prefer Exito for sims now, but Claro's got good coverage too. Movishit is a waste of space. I had virgin for a bit: they're ok too.

Have fun, but watch your back.

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2611888]Dinner's cheap. And you'll find out if you actually want to fuck her or she just annoys you too much.[/QUOTE]Too funny but so true.

I have "been there and done that" in past decades and now seldom / next to never bother taking any chica out to a restaurant as they all annoy me with the cell phones / constant whatsapp and all thinking that their pussy is worth gold and everyone of them thinking they are a princess.

Damn just like last night I sat on a sidewalk in centro Medellin and found walking by a cool and very sweet paisa, 22 yo slender with the face of an angel, I gave her 15 mil to get one of those small boxes of rum, she loved it and drank it and shared some of it with her friends, ALL the time mind you sitting on a curb / step just watching the world go by and laughing and playing. Yes 15 mil!

So about an hour later invited her to a motel around the corner and paid the 12 mil for an hour and we smashed it like the world would end at midnight. Of course I gave her a nice propina as she was cool and down with whatever I wanted to do with that sexy little body of hers.

Got back to my apartment about 10 PM with a happy face and content spirit and watched football then slept like a baby.

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2611508]I've been using seeking and it's been pretty good so far, been making a lot of good connections. One thing that really pisses me off though is how these girls are openly giving me their hourly and nightly rates while also wanting me to take them out to dinner first. Like they want money for sex without having to think of themselves as someone who provides sex for money. I think I'm just going to start suggesting I pay extra to skip the restaurant but I could see that not going smoothly. As much as this app can and probably will end up being an asset for me, it's making me remember how much I have to pretend to be someone I'm not just to get along with typical women. That's all, rant over.[/QUOTE]It has nothing to do with not thinking of themselves as a hooker. It has everything to do with having a quality meal at your expense.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2611975]It has nothing to do with not thinking of themselves as a hooker. It has everything to do with having a quality meal at your expense.[/QUOTE]It's true. They say it's so they can meet you first before committing to anything, but if you offer to meet at a bar or restaurant, they will always pick the restaurant, 100% of the time. I also think it's because dinner takes a while, and if they agreed to a few hours (if they even agreed to a time, sometimes they won't), whatever time you're having dinner is time they don't have to spend banging. One girl asked me if we could go to a restaurant in the north. I was like it's a bit far just for a meal, no? She's like "entonces, solo quieres el sexo". Bruh. It's kinda funny but also annoying.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2611508]I've been using seeking and it's been pretty good so far, been making a lot of good connections. Like they want money for sex without having to think of themselves as someone who provides sex for money. I think I'm just going to start suggesting I pay extra to skip the restaurant but I could see that not going .... That's all, rant over.[/QUOTE]So the cream of the crop won't fuck you till they know you. That's what the dinner is for. You could just have drinks instead. Memories to last a lifetime might be worth what, a $25 dinner? You are in a rush? It's ONLY about getting laid? Maybe SA is not for you. Be nice to them and you will see.

After planning some time with a couple of chicas who suddenly disappeared from WA near the appointment on previous business trips, I began making plans with several and seeing which ones were online when I said I'd be looking. That process weeded out several no-shows and cut down on the time wasted. I might still have to wait an hour or two for her to show up at my hotel but the results are better than before.

One thing is a must-getting a room on a different floor than my colleagues. Ok, Cristal answered and seemed eager.

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/teusaquillo/hermosa-universitaria-de-boquita-jugosa-id-53zf8[/URL]

Her photos led me to believe that she was a smaller girl but she was probably 5'9" or so. Otherwise that's her in the photos. She was texting me from class (university) so it would be 2 hours but I had things to do in the meantime. Her ad says 24 years old and that seemed about right. She's got a nice smile and was very happy that I had a nice hotel on El Dorado. As we texted over WA I specified that I like deep, wet kisses on the mouth and natural oral to completion. She responded very quickly that of course I could, ". Have her mouth. " I've never been that particular about watching a sticky, wet mess drip off a girls mouth but in that moment it's all I could think about. And did she deliver. That wide tongue of hers has a lot of talent and saliva. What a combo! Once she locked her eyes on me that tractor beam of a gaze wouldn't let me go. Oh yeah, no jackhammer performance to finish things up and leave. It was Foghat Slow Ride for sure. We tried a bunch of positions but I just had to bring that vision in my imagination to confront my eyes, a shaft disappearing and emerging wet and shiny, my hands gently on the back of her head, her constant gaze and loving tongue. (Jesus it's getting hot in here) She made a huge mess on the pillow I put on the floor to comfort her knees as she brought it all out for me to see, and she never stopped smiling. Actually she looked kind of proud of herself as she wiped her chin.

Maybe she's a happy person by nature, or that she tagged me for 270 mil for service that she prefers anyway. I have no idea, but she lingered with me on the bed and we chatted and cuddled until I was about to fall asleep. With all the eager chicas in Bogota and not enough time for even a shot glass portion of the total I can't believe I just might call her again but oh I could stand a replay.

Very useful articles about the Santa Fe area, massage parlors, and strip clubs.

[URL]https://girlsheavens.com/strip-clubs-in-bogota/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2612012]It's true. They say it's so they can meet you first before committing to anything, but if you offer to meet at a bar or restaurant, they will always pick the restaurant, 100% of the time. I also think it's because dinner takes a while, and if they agreed to a few hours (if they even agreed to a time, sometimes they won't), whatever time you're having dinner is time they don't have to spend banging. One girl asked me if we could go to a restaurant in the north. I was like it's a bit far just for a meal, no? She's like "entonces, solo quieres el sexo". Bruh. It's kinda funny but also annoying.[/QUOTE]You are being too nice. You are there on work, do not know the city, and only have time to meet at the restaurant in your hotel because you are afraid you might get lost. Don't give these women the option. Most valuable commodity is your own time. Act like it! I never had an issue with a woman coming to my hotel restaurant. Ever.

[QUOTE=TiguereAbroad;2610459]New report, only going to submit the ones worth mentioning. This one's a top performer, definitely worth a try.

1 h outcall for 160, I took the 20 extra for BBBJ because why the hell not even though I never finish from it. I paid for the Uber, so all in it was really like 200. She works with a house / agency and her incall rate is 120 if I remember right I still don't think it's worth it to go somewhere at night that I'm unfamiliar with for a 40,000 difference. She's Venezuelan and the one from the pictures, oddly enough she looked way better in person than in her pictures. Body is 8/10, Service 10/10, personality / attitude 7/10..[/QUOTE]She is good but a heavy smoker that I could smell all over her body which little bit turn off for me. However, she has good attitude. She is same in the pictures and believe they are little old. Now, she had little big back. She quoted me 60.000 for BBBJ which I accepted. She is Venezuelan and loves WA chatting before showing up in hotel.

I am new to mongering and would like to thank everyone here on this forum for their tips and suggestions. I have been to New Delhi, Amsterdam and now came back from my recent trip in Bogota Colombia. Overall very nice experience and you get more bang for your buck in Colombia than other European destinations. The best advice is to go to Santa Fe in Bogota in the day to evening times, some amazing talent on the street for as low as 30-50 K columbian pesos. You just have to be extremely careful while going to Santa Fe, lot of shady people on the street and if you look like an American that you will stick out. Foreigners means they have more money and they are target for robbing.

On my day 1, I used mileroticas to have a lady come visit me in my hotel at Hotel IBIS. She was okay and I paid 150 K pesos. Ordered another one later that night. Second day I went to the mezzanine spa which everyone keeps talking about here in ISG forum. Had the sex with a beautiful young lady, almost felt in love with her. Damage was 120 K pesos but for that girl I would even pay 200 K pesos any day. In the evening I went to Santa Fe after much fear, had sex with 3 different girls for around 30-50 K pesos. I was already tapped out so could only come once with the 3rd girl. All the 3 girls were decent.

On day 3 I went to mundoeroitca, forgot the name of the place. Had sex with a little chubby lady, awesome BBBJ but her pussy smelled so I was not so much enjoying her act. Went to Santa Fe later that evening and picked up a girl and took to my hotel, nice ass, nice pussy, damage was 80 K pesos. After sex I sent her home.

On last day of my trip I went to mezzanine in the hopes of having one last ride with that amazing girl from Day 2 but could not find her. Instead went with her friend, little chubby lady but great sex experience, she was from Venezuela. Damage was 150 K for sex and BBBJ.

Overall good trip, I had to get my Covid 19 test done for 58 $ at Colcan and report came around 24 hrs. If you know Spanish you will have a easier time in getting your way around in Bogota, I had to use google translate all the time even while fucking. LOL. But if given the chance to visit here again, would come back to Bogota in a heartbeat.

Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2612516]You are being too nice. You are there on work, do not know the city, and only have time to meet at the restaurant in your hotel because you are afraid you might get lost. Don't give these women the option. Most valuable commodity is your own time. Act like it! I never had an issue with a woman coming to my hotel restaurant. Ever.[/QUOTE]Now there is a good piece of advice! Well said! And besides it's your money. 'Don't give these women the option'! Try to be somewhat in control.

[QUOTE=PineTree;2612264]After planning some time with a couple of chicas who suddenly disappeared from WA near the appointment on previous business trips, I began making plans with several and seeing which ones were online when I said I'd be looking. That process weeded out several no-shows and cut down on the time wasted. I might still have to wait an hour or two for her to show up at my hotel but the results are better than before.

One thing is a must-getting a room on a different floor than my colleagues. Ok, Cristal answered and seemed eager.

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/teusaquillo/hermosa-universitaria-de-boquita-jugosa-id-53zf8[/URL]

Her photos led me to believe that she was a smaller girl but she was probably 5'9" or so. Otherwise that's her in the photos. She was texting me from class (university) so it would be 2 hours but I had things to do in the meantime. Her ad says 24 years old and that seemed about right. She's got a nice smile and was very happy that I had a nice hotel on El Dorado. As we texted over WA I specified that I like deep, wet kisses on the mouth and natural oral to completion. She responded very quickly that of course I could, ". Have her mouth. " I've never been that particular about watching a sticky, wet mess drip off a girls mouth but in that moment it's all I could think about. And did she deliver. That wide tongue of hers has a lot of talent and saliva. What a combo! Once she locked her eyes on me that tractor beam of a gaze wouldn't let me go. Oh yeah, no jackhammer performance to finish things up and leave. It was Foghat Slow Ride for sure. We tried a bunch of positions but I just had to bring that vision in my imagination to confront my eyes, a shaft disappearing and emerging wet and shiny, my hands gently on the back of her head, her constant gaze and loving tongue. (Jesus it's getting hot in here) She made a huge mess on the pillow I put on the floor to comfort her knees as she brought it all out for me to see, and she never stopped smiling. Actually she looked kind of proud of herself as she wiped her chin.

Maybe she's a happy person by nature, or that she tagged me for 270 mil for service that she prefers anyway. I have no idea, but she lingered with me on the bed and we chatted and cuddled until I was about to fall asleep. With all the eager chicas in Bogota and not enough time for even a shot glass portion of the total I can't believe I just might call her again but oh I could stand a replay.[/QUOTE]270? Ouch. Hope you got more than a hour for that?

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2612764]270? Ouch. Hope you got more than a hour for that?[/QUOTE]Well I didn't look at the clock but I was sure tired when she left. Yeah, I know I paid more than experienced mongers in Bogota but I didn't have a lot of time to bring the price down. At least it was a way over the top facial and the girl was pretty. As someone who's just accustomed to mongering in the US it was a deal. What I need is more experience and better Spanish.

Arrived at my airbnb at 7 pm, was kinda sketched out to visit barrio sf for the first time alone at night but it was all good, nothing remotely sketchy happened. I got there around 8 pm and there was a lot of good looking talent out. I picked a short girl with a nice ass and she said 60 for a half hour but turned down my request for mamada sin condom. Oh well, con preservato it is. I always finish super quick if I'm nervous and so she let me ease into it with some foreplay. We were kissing, not making out but not just pecks either. She looked and smelled clean so I went down on her and she was responsive. Then we went at it in various positions and again she was responsive. When the knock came at about 25 minutes, I finished and washed up. When I came back she was still touching herself. I guess I got her close but no cigar. She asked me to suck on her tit to help her LOL. At first I didn't understand. It was funny because I was a bit concerned with overstaying but I wasn't going to say no. Anyway I gave her 70. Solid session and actually lasted 30 minutes.

I went into a club to have a beer while I recovered. I forget the name, al lido or something, just north of paisas. It was ok for still being pretty early. The fuckin guys who bring you in are annoying af tho. They follow you in and expect a tip even if you go in on your own accord. Later in the night I just said "me voy, pero no necesito ayuda" that seemed to word.

Anyway my second session was with another street girl who looked better before she got naked. We had a decent rapport though. She was 70 for half hour but the knock came after like a bit over 15 minutes. Whatever, still gave her a 10 tip because I liked her and she also allowed some kissing.

Checked out some other clubs but ended up back to the first one cause it was way more live. Some really hot chicas I wanted to session with but missed the opportunity because either they had a customer or I wasnt aggressive enough. Had a session in house with a girl who was just ok. Another 70, session was good but the first chick was my fav so far. No BBBJs yet but that's ok.

My Airbnb is guest friendly but it kinda sucks more that I thought so I'd be a bit embarrassed to even bring a girl back. I'm switching places soon anyway.

Anyway, so far so good. Couldn't have done it without y'all.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2614213]...[/QUOTE]Normal foreigner rate last I went is 50 k for the normal quickie session. Locals get 30 k. I'd at least try 50 k instead of 70 or whatever you're paying right now. If you get refused several times then probably prices went up. Your Airbnb is probably better than the hotels the girls are staying in now. I wouldn't be so embarrassed to take them back.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2614295]Normal foreigner rate last I went is 50 k for the normal quickie session. Locals get 30 k. I'd at least try 50 k instead of 70 or whatever you're paying right now. If you get refused several times then probably prices went up. Your Airbnb is probably better than the hotels the girls are staying in now. I wouldn't be so embarrassed to take them back.[/QUOTE]With the first 2 its because I requested a half hour (even though the second jumped the gun) The third was in a club so I guess that has something to do with it. Or maybe I got the gringo rate which is fair enough cause my Spanish is pretty bad.

Made a long post already and it didn't post for whatever reason. I don't have the energy to retell everything so I'll give a short version.

Pretty sure Adhara's massage by Marley is no longer there, and oriental massage either is closed or they moved. Went to Nanxing massage instead, tried Alison. Her massages and HJs suck. Covered dome, during the act the condom broke, BBFS for a split second. 190 for an hour. Would not recommend.

Anna from sf. Curvy dark haired light skinned. Asked for 140 for half hour, covered BJ. Almost said no but I'm glad I went for it. She seemed cold and distant at first but then she grabs my face and makes out with me and gives me bareback done when she said she wouldn't which made it extra hot. Didn't last the half hour, let her go early.

Daniela from sf. Short Venezuelan with a big ass. 80 for half hour. Gave her 90. Fun girl, gave me a lap dance first. Uses her body well.

Heard gunshots in sf, some people yelled and ran, others laughed it off. I chilled in a shop for a bit after that.

Girls were leaving the streets for clubs so I checked a few out. Troyas was ok, hot chicks but they were mostly all taken. California's was bad, La Celestina's was really bad. Ended up back at A'tonis and kinda got swindled by a kind of Asian looking girl named Paulina. Upsold me for BBBJ and it was bad and short. I don't even want to say what I spent on her after a dance and her not giving me change and she still had the nerve to ask for more during and after.

Had a bad experience in a cafeteria in sf at the end of the night with Colombians cutting in front of me and the guy taking orders purposely ignoring me. Ended the day kinda pissed off but.

Overall the day had its moments for sure.

I've been considering hitting up Colombia (Bogota) for quite some time and noticed that the weather right now is rain / thunderstorms and will be throughout the month. Is it still a good trip to make in this inclement weather? How's the nightlife / bar scene during the rain? Are people used to it and go about their day the same or just stay in?

Gents,

Hitting Bogota next week. Wondering if visiting the PH is safe and worth it.

Thoughts.

Gracias.

Just landed. Will be around until 10/22. Asian guy with limited Spanish. PM and maybe we can check it out together. I heard PH is not as good as before.

[QUOTE=JoeySmith;2614702]Gents,

Hitting Bogota next week. Wondering if visiting the PH is safe and worth it.

Thoughts.

Gracias.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Davram400;2614652]I've been considering hitting up Colombia (Bogota) for quite some time and noticed that the weather right now is rain / thunderstorms and will be throughout the month. Is it still a good trip to make in this inclement weather? How's the nightlife / bar scene during the rain? Are people used to it and go about their day the same or just stay in?[/QUOTE]I am in Bogota now. It rains a little everyday, but not all day rains. This has been my experience in my three times here.

Camila from sf. Fit brunette with bubbly personality. BBBJ & 69.30 minutes 120.

Sophie from sf - 70 for 30 minute massage. She was a way better masseuse than the girl from the massage parlour. I picked a taller curvier girl thinking she'd have some force. I made the right choice. Quite erotic but just a massage.

Andrea from sf. Repeat with my first Colombian. This time it was an hour with a massage and I paid 80 extra for anal and it was great, definitely woke her up. I think I spent like 220 in total. Took her for lunch after and she said she hadn't done anal in 3 months. Lucky me I guess. Altho she said she would text me after work and she didn't. Que lastima.

Fernanda from sf. A venezuelana who caught my eye by arching her back real hard and sticking out her ass. 70 for half hour. Pretty average and mechanical but a great ass nonetheless.

Was going home drained but a curvy Venezuelan with a cute face stopped me. Told her I don't have the energy. She offered me a massage for 23. I was like ok that's like 5 bucks what do I have to lose? She said she was part Indian and I live in Canada and I'm surrounded by Indians and not attracted to them at all but I guess the Venezuelan mix makes all the difference. Her body was a bit bigger than I like but I figured who cares its a massage. Welp, by the time the knock came it wasn't just a massage anymore. She had successfully seduced me even with my low energy levels. Had to extend the session. Didn't manage to finish tho. I think it was like 70 in total for the half hour. I think her name was Nea or something.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2614965]Her body was a bit bigger than I like but I figured who cares its a massage. Welp, by the time the knock came it wasn't just a massage anymore. She had successfully seduced me even with my low energy levels. [/QUOTE]Great reports. Nice to see you just going where the wind takes you.

[QUOTE=MusicIsLove;2614951]I am in Bogota now. It rains a little everyday, but not all day rains. This has been my experience in my three times here.[/QUOTE]Also in Bogota and I agree, it usually rains 15-20 min at a time. Action is unchanged in my experience.

Started off with this girl [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/chapinero/la-mujer-mas-ardiente-que-vas-a-poder-probar-id-q3baj[/URL] despite not finding any reviews online. I knew it was risky but she just looked so hot in the photos. They are definitely touched up though. I know for sure because she had a scar on her stomach and she doesn't in the photos. I don't know if they made her look skinnier in the photos or if she's just good at sucking in her gut like so many girls are. Her face is still really cute and she's a nice enough girl but her body wasn't great. I had agreed beforehand on a promo for 1 hour with anal, vaginal, and regular for 230. Ad says kissing but they were pecks. I do have a couple zits around my mouth from having to wear a mask all the time so in her defense I probably wouldn't want to kiss me either right now. BJ was average, a bit short-lived. Had to switch back to regular mode to finish cause she wasn't feeling the anal, and it was messy to say the least. Finished early and just left cause I wasn't really getting the vibe that she wanted me to stay and I wouldn't have been able to do a 2 shot in an hour after going so hard lately.

Took the wrong bus home and ended up in the north not too far from a massage place I found out about from seeking, Maia Spa. They said they were one of the best tantric massages in Bogota. I've never had a tantric massage so I thought I'd try it. Got in an uber and it started raining and hailing like crazy. For some reason the app had the driver drop me off like a couple minutes walk from the address and so I had to hide under a shelter till it died down. Even after it died down though, I still got soaked in the 2 minutes it took to get there. I figured, no problem, I'll have a hot shower before the massage. The lady was speaking really fast and I couldn't really understand so I just said "el paquete platino, con todo". Damage was 240. Pretty steep but I wanted to see what the fuss was about with these tantric things. I honestly thought it was going to be full service but it wasn't. So yeah, 240 for a HJ but it gets worse. Classic Bogota, no hot water in the shower. So I'm shivering after my shower. I didn't get to choose the girl, Valentina, but she was pretty cute. Most of the massage was her kissing up and down my body. I guess it's supposed to relax you but I was too cold to properly relax and I honestly thought the kisses were kinda dumb, especially cause it went on for so long. I will say that the 240 was for an hour and it went way longer than that after everything. When she finally started touching my dick, she was good at it, but she would start the HJ, and then switch to something else like go back to the kissing (not on the mouth) or fondle my balls. At one point she had me massage her which was probably the best part just because she was wet. But I guess that's the whole point of tantra, to build it up and then stop and repeat. The only problem is I'm sure the oil she was using had some kind of numbing agent, because every time she started again it felt a little bit less pleasant. I almost came but then she switched the technique at the worst time and I didn't come. Eventually I realized that I was so numb that I wasn't going to cum and just told her to stop. Basically paid 240 for blue balls. She was a little bummed but I told her my dick felt completely numb from the gel and she said yeah maybe I'm right about the gel because her back felt tingly too from when I massaged her. Pretty fuckin ludicrous if you ask me to use a numbing gel for a tantric massage. What a fuckin wash. I feel bad talking so much shit because she was a super nice girl and it's not her fault, she just used what they gave her, but yeah I was pretty pissed about that. Would not recommend that place at all, although it's at least partly my fault for not speaking good enough Spanish and having got caught in the rain beforehand.

Anyway, went to Troyas and it was packed, not the best ratio but I got lucky and spotted a tan chica with a super tight body and jumped on the opportunity. Bought her a drink for 15 and got a dance for 40 then took her upstairs for 100. Then some lady asked for a tip to prolong the knock. I gave her a 5. The girl, Paula, had really nice fake tits and was the hottest I've been with so far on my trip. Maybe not the best, but still was good enough to end the day on a high note after the other 2. I took her whatsapp and told her to message me when she finished work if she wants to come over, gave her another 20 to increase my odds but I know they're still slim and I'm about to crash anyway.

Met up with SA (26 yo, cute, natural boobs and butt). Had BBBJ, was able to do anal once. She said it hurts too much to try again so soon hahaha. I didn't want BBFS, so I had a great time. We went at it many times but I only nutted 2 x.

Went out for lunch / dinner, bar, had fun back at the apt, and had breakfast together before we departed. I provided support of 400 mil for her time. Altogether it was 650 mil ish for everything together (gift, activities, and support).

At the end, I just wanted her to leave so I can complete some personal tasks. I also thought it may be best to sleep alone at night hahah.

[QUOTE=JoeySmith;2614702]Gents,

Hitting Bogota next week. Wondering if visiting the PH is safe and worth it.

Thoughts.

Gracias.[/QUOTE]I was there this summer, total waste of time. They will try to rip you off and all the girls are ugly. Not like before at all.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2615100]Anyway, went to Troyas and it was packed, not the best ratio but I got lucky and spotted a tan chica with a super tight body and jumped on the opportunity. Bought her a drink for 15 and got a dance for 40 then took her upstairs for 100. Then some lady asked for a tip to prolong the knock. I gave her a 5. The girl, Paula, had really nice fake tits and was the hottest I've been with so far on my trip. Maybe not the best, but still was good enough to end the day on a high note after the other 2. I took her whatsapp and told her to message me when she finished work if she wants to come over, gave her another 20 to increase my odds but I know they're still slim and I'm about to crash anyway.[/QUOTE]TY, two of the best fucks I have had in Bogota were strippers who came back to my hotel room. I would put the odds she meets you as high.

Good job on the tip to the lady. I tipped that woman, I guess a house mom, 10 k, and she gave me the most eerie toothless smile, but it did delay the knock. LOL.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2615100]Anyway, went to Troyas and it was packed, not the best ratio but I got lucky and spotted a tan chica with a super tight body and jumped on the opportunity. Bought her a drink for 15 and got a dance for 40 then took her upstairs for 100. Then some lady asked for a tip to prolong the knock. I gave her a 5. The girl, Paula, had really nice fake tits and was the hottest I've been with so far on my trip. Maybe not the best, but still was good enough to end the day on a high note after the other 2. I took her whatsapp and told her to message me when she finished work if she wants to come over, gave her another 20 to increase my odds but I know they're still slim and I'm about to crash anyway.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reports mate! Most girls gives dances in Santa Fe clubs for 10-20 mil pesos.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2614965]Camila from sf. Fit brunette with bubbly personality. BBBJ & 69.30 minutes 120.

Sophie from sf - 70 for 30 minute massage. She was a way better masseuse than the girl from the massage parlour. I picked a taller curvier girl thinking she'd have some force. I made the right choice. Quite erotic but just a massage.

Andrea from sf. Repeat with my first Colombian. This time it was an hour with a massage and I paid 80 extra for anal and it was great, definitely woke her up. I think I spent like 220 in total. Took her for lunch after and she said she hadn't done anal in 3 months. Lucky me I guess. Altho she said she would text me after work and she didn't. Que lastima.

Fernanda from sf. A venezuelana who caught my eye by arching her back real hard and sticking out her ass. 70 for half hour. Pretty average and mechanical but a great ass nonetheless.

Was going home drained but a curvy Venezuelan with a cute face stopped me. Told her I don't have the energy. She offered me a massage for 23. I was like ok that's like 5 bucks what do I have to lose? She said she was part Indian and I live in Canada and I'm surrounded by Indians and not attracted to them at all but I guess the Venezuelan mix makes all the difference. Her body was a bit bigger than I like but I figured who cares its a massage. Welp, by the time the knock came it wasn't just a massage anymore. She had successfully seduced me even with my low energy levels. Had to extend the session. Didn't manage to finish tho. I think it was like 70 in total for the half hour. I think her name was Nea or something.[/QUOTE]Not many Indians from India in Bogota. She may have been referring to being part Indian from an indigenous tribe. They date back to before the arrival of the Europeans. There are lots of Indigenous people in and around Bogota. Most come down from the Andes in search of work, some are escaping the FARC who invade villages and take any homesteads and kidnap the women and force the young men to join their army. My novia is part Indian, from the Andes on her mothers side and they are the best, homemakers, take good care of the man and great in bed. There is a community of indigenous people in the forest of Tayrona Nat'l Parque. They are short, wear white robes are were not discovered living in the forests of Tayrona until the 70's.

[QUOTE=JoeySmith;2614702]Gents,

Hitting Bogota next week. Wondering if visiting the PH is safe and worth it.

Thoughts.

Gracias.[/QUOTE]What is ph?

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2615578]What is ph?[/QUOTE]Pussy House.

Had second SA meeting of this trip. I no longer do night meeting; only lunch and bar, spend some fun time back at apt, and allow the lady to leave so I can be by myself again. Spending too much time with these girls may drive me crazy haha.

This girl is 19 yo, law student, pretty face, very nice natural body (boobs and butt).

She gave me a massage between our sessions. She actually took a course and trained herself. Good for her so she can please others hahah. She has an interesting a story as her father works in prostitution industry (owns some brothels or something), and she intends to study criminal law because it's where the money is. Hahaha good for her. Some people are clueless on why they are in school, but she seems to understand that she needs internship outside of university training, and she has set a goal for herself.

As it relates to intimacy, lots of kisses during sessions. We clicked well. BBBJ, no anal as she said it hurts. Face fucked here. Lots of kisses, and BBBJ while we showered together twice. She said if we meet again, can try it. I never do BBFS, so it was CFS. She smells nice, and is very clean. She is probably the most attractive lady I have met in Colombia. But my view is distorted by the Asian mentality. Natural body with nice face first, very thin waist with appropriate curves for boobs and butt.

Total damage of 500 mil for her time, and 40 mil for Uber (I gave her more round trip Uber because I didn't have change, and it's not the end of the world if I over pay by 12-15 mil). Bar and meals another 150-160 mil total. Some gifts from the state for another 50 mil or so.

She said she is bi, and has a girlfriend who is interested in having a threesome. I told her my type, and she will send some photos. I have never had a threesome, so spending some money for this experience is fine. It will be costly for sure as it will be 1,000 mil for the experience, but it's fine.

I know you can spend way less in Santa Fe, but it's just a different experience. I'm not much of a volume sex machine hahah, so I don't really need to have lots of action each day.

The only annoying thing I've found with these hot SA girls is that they want you to order Uber for them. The hot ones I contact all tell me to send them an Uber. This date with SA girl asked me to order her an Uber to go home hahha. Don't they have other services on their phone that they use? Maybe it so that you realize the cost and pass them the money for the trip expense. Whatever not a big deal at the end of the day.

Sorry if there are any typos.

[QUOTE=Bleble;2615643]I know you can spend way less in Santa Fe, but it's just a different experience. I'm not much of a volume sex machine hahah, so I don't really need to have lots of action each day.[/QUOTE]As someone who had been going super hard in sf till yesterday when I moved to chapinero, I can confirm this. Had a lot of great sex, some of it wasn't even that mechanical, but I still felt unfulfilled and found myself feeling like a loverboy wanting to give and get more than sex. I took one of the girls shopping LOL, the first girl I hooked up with here. I spent kind of a lot on her thinking it would make a deeper connection but it didn't really, She ended up just basically taking advantage of me but whatever, she has kids and no boyfriend and a hard life, and people who have been hurt continue to hurt. I kinda rolled the dice there and I knew it. You can take the girl out of sf but you can't take sf out of the girl.

But yeah as for day 4 and 5 of my reports, basically just more sf girls. They were all really great and like I said, not that mechanical but also left me feeling like I wanted more of a connection. And they're actually only cheap because you don't spend that long together. If you extend the sessions, they add up quick. The most memorable was yesterday a skinny redhead named Maria who started with a massage and she was actually very skilled so I was with her an hour and a half in total and it came to 240. Probably would have got a better deal if I knew it would've so long from the start. Other noteworthy girl is a cute blue haired girl in a club that I had seen around but never had the chance to meet. She kinda had bad teeth from all the lollypops I'm guessing but a great body and very sexy, the least mechanical session yet with the most experimental positions. Also gave me BBBJ and rubbed her lollypop against my dick before sucking it haha. I think it was 70 for the session and 50 extra for the raw dome.

Wow, it was very bad on 10/18. Nothing was opened. Santa Fe was deserted, nothing at all outside or inside clubs. It was dead. I drove past PH, and it was closed. Haha.

Maybe things will revert back to normal tomorrow. All restaurants around chico Norte were pretty much closed.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2615100]Started off with this girl [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/chapinero/la-mujer-mas-ardiente-que-vas-a-poder-probar-id-q3baj[/URL] despite not finding any reviews online...

Basically paid 240 for blue balls....

[/QUOTE]Nice report, entertaining read! Thanks for the intel.

Don't expect to be treated like a permanent boyfriend by the streetwalkers / club girls. If you get it beyond the length of your session, great, but that should not be your expectation. These girls go through 5-10 guys a day and most have a Colombian / Venezuelan boyfriend or husband. You're going to be gone in a few days / weeks and they know you fuck other girls. For a good number of you, your Spanish probably also sucks and you're not that interesting beyond the money you have. So getting emotionally attached to any of them is just all downside no upside.

[QUOTE=Bleble;2615970]Wow, it was very bad on 10/18. Nothing was opened. Santa Fe was deserted, nothing at all outside or inside clubs. It was dead. I drove past PH, and it was closed. Haha.

Maybe things will revert back to normal tomorrow. All restaurants around chico Norte were pretty much closed.[/QUOTE]Typical for Holidays in Colombia and they have a lot of them. Jaja Two options, set up a date ahead of time in your place or have fun in a casino and get some rest watching tv for the night. One of my favorite options is to get my favorita and fly out to SAI for a long weekend.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2616156]Don't expect to be treated like a permanent boyfriend by the streetwalkers / club girls. If you get it beyond the length of your session, great, but that should not be your expectation. These girls go through 5-10 guys a day and most have a Colombian / Venezuelan boyfriend or husband. You're going to be gone in a few days / weeks and they know you fuck other girls. For a good number of you, your Spanish probably also sucks and you're not that interesting beyond the money you have. So getting emotionally attached to any of them is just all downside no upside.[/QUOTE]And every once in a while you meet one that opens your nose an you start thinking stupid. Remember:

"If you fall in love in Colombia, your falling in love by yourself".

I've seen reports that Bogotá is bad on holidays, but you have to see it to believe it. For readers out there, don't even try going out to bars or Santa Fe during holidays. It would be a total waste of time.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2616488]Typical for Holidays in Colombia and they have a lot of them. Jaja Two options, set up a date ahead of time in your place or have fun in a casino and get some rest watching tv for the night. One of my favorite options is to get my favorita and fly out to SAI for a long weekend.[/QUOTE]

Hi everyone,

I am now in Santa Fe and have a funny situation. My Spanish is zero. To return to Canada I need COVID test PCR taken withing 72 hours. The problem is: my flight is Tuesday morning which means I have to make tasting on Saturday afternoon or later which are days off. Or the test will be too old. If I'll do it on Monday, it is not enough time to get results because my flight is on Tuesday 10 am. And they don't let me enter the plane. Could anyone advice? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2616156]Don't expect to be treated like a permanent boyfriend by the streetwalkers / club girls.....[/QUOTE]I think you can be permanent if the transfer of money is permanent.

[QUOTE=Bleble;2615643]....She said she is bi, and has a girlfriend who is interested in having a threesome.....[/QUOTE]The best threesomes are the ones proposed by the girls.

[QUOTE=Bleble;2615643]She said she is bi, and has a girlfriend who is interested in having a threesome. I told her my type, and she will send some photos. I have never had a threesome, so spending some money for this experience is fine. It will be costly for sure as it will be 1,000 mil for the experience, but it's fine.[/QUOTE]This is how you do it. Find a chick that's bi, and let her pick out the other chick. Ideally someone she knows, who is agreeable to you (but you need to have some flex). Otherwise you get the 2 chicks in your room, but you have to bang them one a time, because one is hiding in the bathroom until you're done with the other one "Threesome."

Did someone stay at this place in last few weeks? Is it still GF place?

[QUOTE=Igor54;2616497]Hi everyone,

I am now in Santa Fe and have a funny situation. My Spanish is zero. To return to Canada I need COVID test PCR taken withing 72 hours. The problem is: my flight is Tuesday morning which means I have to make tasting on Saturday afternoon or later which are days off. Or the test will be too old. If I'll do it on Monday, it is not enough time to get results because my flight is on Tuesday 10 am. And they don't let me enter the plane. Could anyone advice? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]COVID results are usually available in a couple of hours at most (despite any timing they may indicate on their website or give you verbally). No need to panic.

[QUOTE=Bleble;2616491]I've seen reports that Bogot is bad on holidays, but you have to see it to believe it. For readers out there, don't even try going out to bars or Santa Fe during holidays. It would be a total waste of time.[/QUOTE]It ain't that bad, the clinicas up north are usually open, including Mezzanine.

If you want to see bad during holidays, go to Brazil.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2616490]And every once in a while you meet one that opens your nose an you start thinking stupid. Remember:

[/QUOTE]Never experienced this in Colombia, but in Brazil I have found myself "falling in love" on almost every trip. Those ladies are something else.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2616497]Hi everyone,

I am now in Santa Fe and have a funny situation. My Spanish is zero. To return to Canada I need COVID test PCR taken withing 72 hours. The problem is: my flight is Tuesday morning which means I have to make tasting on Saturday afternoon or later which are days off. Or the test will be too old. If I'll do it on Monday, it is not enough time to get results because my flight is on Tuesday 10 am. And they don't let me enter the plane. Could anyone advice? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I am not sure if the Labs are closed on weekends or not but the SYNLab location at Bogota International Airport must be open. You can make your appointment there in case other ones are not open.

SYNLab.

Av. El Dorado Calle 26 No. 113 - 90.

Aeropuerto Internacional El Dorado.

Horario de atenciand:

Lunes a domingo 4:00 am A 10:00 pm.

[URL]https://www.synlab.co/travellers-covid-19/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sun08;2616736]I am not sure if the Labs are closed on weekends or not but the SYNLab location at Bogota International Airport must be open. You can make your appointment there in case other ones are not open.

SYNLab.

Av. El Dorado Calle 26 No. 113 - 90.

Aeropuerto Internacional El Dorado.

Horario de atenciand:

Lunes a domingo 4:00 am A 10:00 pm.

[URL]https://www.synlab.co/travellers-covid-19/[/URL][/QUOTE]If you set up an appointment at the Bogota airport lab, choose location 2. Location 1 is the building across from the terminal and it's the busiest. Location 2 is in the white tents on the right just before you get to the terminal. You won't have to wait as long.

Santa Fe was relatively empty. There weren't too many chicks when I and another ISG member visited between 7:30 pm and 10:30 pm.

We went to PH afterwards. Boy was it empty, there weren't any girls at all. Even the Uber driver that I used to return home said PH is terrible. He said just go to SF. Save yourself the trip, and skip PH. Not worth your time to visit.

[QUOTE=Sun08;2616736]I am not sure if the Labs are closed on weekends or not but the SYNLab location at Bogota International Airport must be open. You can make your appointment there in case other ones are not open.

SYNLab.

Av. El Dorado Calle 26 No. 113 - 90.

Aeropuerto Internacional El Dorado.

Horario de atenciand:

Lunes a domingo 4:00 am A 10:00 pm.

[URL]https://www.synlab.co/travellers-covid-19/[/URL][/QUOTE]I used service from attached flyer. You can take help from your receptionist or anyone who can speak Spanish. They will come to your hotel or wherever you are staying and get the results in 4 hours in email.

Hope it helps.

[QUOTE=Kib123;2616724]COVID results are usually available in a couple of hours at most (despite any timing they may indicate on their website or give you verbally). No need to panic.[/QUOTE]PCR tests are a minimum of 1 day as far as I know. The 2 hour results are the antigen test. Canada requires a PCR test.

Hi,

I'm going to Bogota next weekend, I found some info about a swinger place Wonder Nightclub, Don't know what kind of freak show it will be that day but I got some curiosity.

Apart from that, I have been wondering about these FB girls everybody talks about, Each time I talk to a girl in Facebook, they simply don't talk, also I cannot find these FB girls.

I also tested SA and got banned 2 times for unknown reasons the first day.

I was looking on all these websites and Wonder if the Girls from Escort Agencies (250 k and more) are better than non Agency girls.

I will try to record some videos at Santa Fe, I made a box to conceal my smartphone camera and I think it will work out. (maybe I will get Wacked). Don't know if I'm going to post them or just show them to the people here. Will try to take some photos of the girls if they are willing for some cents. Some girls have their photos posted on the web.

Any ok spots in Chapinero area where you can get a bottle / can of beer and a shot of pussy? Without 300% tax you find in the bigger spots in SF some time?

I like to enjoy a beer or two and relax in a place first without being pestered or over charged.

I usually pay <100 mil session / 15 mil beer.

[QUOTE=TravelingDom;2617024]Any ok spots in Chapinero area where you can get a bottle / can of beer and a shot of pussy?[/QUOTE]

When I visited Chapinero in August, I picked up a card for Bar Paris. The card says "cerveza a $3.000, domingo a domingo 9 am a 9 pm, servicio con una linda chica $30.000, Calle 60 bis A # 13 A - 08".

I ran out of time and didn't get a chance to try it out, but it sounds like it might be what you're looking for.

[QUOTE=TravelingDom;2617024]Any ok spots in Chapinero area where you can get a bottle / can of beer and a shot of pussy? Without 300% tax you find in the bigger spots in SF some time?

I like to enjoy a beer or two and relax in a place first without being pestered or over charged.

I usually pay <100 mil session / 15 mil beer.[/QUOTE]There are 7- 8 bars on CR 15 and CR 16 where you can get beers for less than a dollar-- Streetie Sweeties for 40 mil+.

Fantastic report.

[QUOTE=AwesomeFun30;2612563]I am new to mongering and would like to thank everyone here on this forum for their tips and suggestions. I have been to New Delhi, Amsterdam and now came back from my recent trip in Bogota Colombia. Overall very nice experience and you get more bang for your buck in Colombia than other European destinations. The best advice is to go to Santa Fe in Bogota in the day to evening times, some amazing talent on the street for as low as 30-50 K columbian pesos. You just have to be extremely careful while going to Santa Fe, lot of shady people on the street and if you look like an American that you will stick out. Foreigners means they have more money and they are target for robbing.

On my day 1, I used mileroticas to have a lady come visit me in my hotel at Hotel IBIS. She was okay and I paid 150 K pesos. Ordered another one later that night. Second day I went to the mezzanine spa which everyone keeps talking about here in ISG forum. Had the sex with a beautiful young lady, almost felt in love with her. Damage was 120 K pesos but for that girl I would even pay 200 K pesos any day. In the evening I went to Santa Fe after much fear, had sex with 3 different girls for around 30-50 K pesos. I was already tapped out so could only come once with the 3rd girl. All the 3 girls were decent.

On day 3 I went to mundoeroitca, forgot the name of the place. Had sex with a little chubby lady, awesome BBBJ but her pussy smelled so I was not so much enjoying her act. Went to Santa Fe later that evening and picked up a girl and took to my hotel, nice ass, nice pussy, damage was 80 K pesos. After sex I sent her home..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sun08;2616736]I am not sure if the Labs are closed on weekends or not but the SYNLab location at Bogota International Airport must be open. You can make your appointment there in case other ones are not open.

SYNLab.

Av. El Dorado Calle 26 No. 113 - 90.

Aeropuerto Internacional El Dorado.

Horario de atenciand:

Lunes a domingo 4:00 am A 10:00 pm.

[URL]https://www.synlab.co/travellers-covid-19/[/URL][/QUOTE]If someone need a test, this is a very good option. Many locations. There is a 24 hours facility. 24 hours results by email. Communication by whatsapp on English.

[URL]http://www.saludpass.com/[/URL]

I am thinking about Bogota or Medellin to move to. Could anyone to say anything on the subject? If you know web links for agents. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2619320]I am thinking about Bogota or Medellin to move to. Could anyone to say anything on the subject? If you know web links for agents. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Routard touched little bit on real estate in his report. It's very helpful.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3863-Living-in-Colombia/page3[/URL]

[QUOTE=Jim77;2620010]How does Bogota compare to say Cocal in Jaco, Costa Rica? Has anyone been to both locations?[/QUOTE]Haven't been to Jaco but I know of a few comparisons.

Jaco has a much more accessible beach than Bogota. The climate is much more tropical than in Bogota.

Also Jaco has a population that's about equal to the number of people in Bogota who crowd into 1 Transmilenio bus during rush hour.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2617336]There are 7- 8 bars on CR 15 and CR 16 where you can get beers for less than a dollar-- Streetie Sweeties for 40 mil+.[/QUOTE]Can't PM you. Would appreciate if you can send me your number. I'm in Bogota, been to SF a few times in the day alone and would love to go with you at night.

[QUOTE=Jim77;2620010]How does Bogota compare to say Cocal in Jaco, Costa Rica? Has anyone been to both locations?[/QUOTE]Bogota is a city of around 14 million in greater Bogota. The Cocal is a small hotel with a bar and casino, in Jaco, Costa Rica.

Yes, I have been to both locations.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2620053]....Also Jaco has a population that's about equal to the number of people in Bogota who crowd into 1 Transmilenio bus during rush hour.[/QUOTE]And probably less hot girls than you'd see in that bus.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2620235]And probably less hot girls than you'd see in that bus.[/QUOTE]I've been in that bus and I'm pretty sure I got 3 of those women pregnant.

Well. I'm a weekend warrior.

Arrived yesterday 2 pm. Headed to my loft in Chapinero. $7 uber from BOG.

At 4 pm headed to Santa Fe. Well many nice girls.

Thing is that I did it with a girl that asked $40 k. When we went into the room she said: "oh the room wasn't included, that's 6 k. Then she didn't want to take off her bra.

She had the widest vagina I have ever seen in my whole life. She was a a pretty girl with 80-55-90.

The knock came after 8 minutes. Yes 8 minutes. I came somehow I don't know how.

I guess Santa Fe is for these guys that are heading home and want a quickie.

Then today Icalled a escort service and was 240 k +25 k taxi. The girl didn't want to give me her number, looks like they don't cheat.

Best sex I have ever had. Total GF experience. I didn't want BBBJ but she would do ot. Nice body and everything. Would do it again.

Never experienced that in SF. I choose girls with whom I have a great energy and where I see in their eyes, that they like me. Experienced it last week, that I booked for 40 minutes, we did 2 rounds and she even asked for the third round even so it was overtime.

[QUOTE=KyoHiromitsu;2620307]Well. I'm a weekend warrior.

Arrived yesterday 2 pm. Headed to my loft in Chapinero. $7 uber from BOG.

At 4 pm headed to Santa Fe. Well many nice girls.

Thing is that I did it with a girl that asked $40 k. When we went into the room she said: "oh the room wasn't included, that's 6 k. Then she didn't want to take off her bra.

She had the widest vagina I have ever seen in my whole life. She was a a pretty girl with 80-55-90.

The knock came after 8 minutes. Yes 8 minutes. I came somehow I don't know how.

I guess Santa Fe is for these guys that are heading home and want a quickie.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KyoHiromitsu;2620307]Then today I called a escort service and was 240 k +25 k taxi. The girl didn't want to give me her number, looks like they don't cheat.[/QUOTE]Some will give up their number, some won't. I've had pretty good luck just asking if I want to repeat do I call her or the agency to set it up, and then I just shut my mouth and let her answer. That's the most transactional way to ask for it.

Anyone know of a good erotic couple massage. Going there in two weeks. My girl wants us to do this for my birthday.

[QUOTE=CuriousMind123;2620410]Never experienced that in SF. I choose girls with whom I have a great energy and where I see in their eyes, that they like me. Experienced it last week, that I booked for 40 minutes, we did 2 rounds and she even asked for the third round even so it was overtime.[/QUOTE]Today I repeated again Santa Fe. With a pretty Venezuelan girl. She was really tight. Its exactly the opposite to the other girl. I guess I had better luck this time. I booked 40 minutes with her and told her 60 k. She said "anything you want" Glad that I went back there.

[QUOTE=ClownDays;2620458]Some will give up their number, some won't. I've had pretty good luck just asking if I want to repeat do I call her or the agency to set it up, and then I just shut my mouth and let her answer. That's the most transactional way to ask for it.[/QUOTE]She told me that the agency takes a minimum from her and if they found out they kick her out. But I guess you have to connect or something with her. I didn't.

[QUOTE=CuriousMind123;2620076]Can't PM you. Would appreciate if you can send me your number. I'm in Bogota, been to SF a few times in the day alone and would love to go with you at night.[/QUOTE]I've just got to Bogota 2 days ago from Medellin where I stayed for 2 months. I would love to link up and check out SF.

Hi all,

I just got to Bogota from Medellin where I have been staying for the past 2 months; I am quite fluent in Spanish and would like to link up with the community to check out SF. Cheers!

[QUOTE=KyoHiromitsu;2620307]

Then today Icalled a escort service and was 240 k +25 k taxi. The girl didn't want to give me her number, looks like they don't cheat.

Best sex I have ever had. Total GF experience. I didn't want BBBJ but she would do ot. Nice body and everything. Would do it again.[/QUOTE]A link or Agency and girl name would be far more useful. The whole point of this forum is to share actionable intel, not brag about our exploits.

Been to SF and it was quiet. Banged a Venezuelan from the streets and went to Texas and Troy's after. Can someone tell me the prices of the beers there? I paid 20 k in Texas and 30 k in troya. Is it normal or was it because I was alone there and looking like a foreigner?

[QUOTE=Kib123;2620816]A link or Agency and girl name would be far more useful. The whole point of this forum is to share actionable intel, not brag about our exploits.[/QUOTE]It was eroticasbogota with jessie. The girl in Santa Fe was glori. A small Venezuelan tight as a nut.

[QUOTE=CuriousMind123;2620941]Been to SF and it was quiet. Banged a Venezuelan from the streets and went to Texas and Troy's after. Can someone tell me the prices of the beers there? I paid 20 k in Texas and 30 k in troya. Is it normal or was it because I was alone there and looking like a foreigner?[/QUOTE]Beer prices in clubs are 8 mil for regular beers like Poker / Aguila -- Coronas are more not sure how much-- Water is 8-10 mil -- Not sure if the tip is built in to that? I will tip 1-2 mil usually-- But it is not required.

I bought a girl a Corona in Venus for 20 mil-- which is normal-- I'm pretty sure they get kicked back a few mil at least-- Buying drinks for girls gives you an opportunity to sit and chat and feel up a girl you like.

Here is a good tip-- If you just want to check out a club without buying a drink -- When you walk in and the waiter is following you-- and you just want to check out action-- Turn to the waiter and give him 1-2 mil and say estoy bien-- this works for me in Atonis / La Casona / Texas / California and Venus-- Where I like to go-- Also it is good for relations with staff-- They know me at those clubs mentioned and I am treated well.

It works in others but I do not go as much.

I have so much to say about SF-- I have been there mucho lately-- but have had writers block -- I promise to write a longer comprehensive report soon.

[QUOTE=CuriousMind123;2620941]Been to SF and it was quiet. Banged a Venezuelan from the streets and went to Texas and Troy's after. Can someone tell me the prices of the beers there? I paid 20 k in Texas and 30 k in troya. Is it normal or was it because I was alone there and looking like a foreigner?[/QUOTE]I paid 10 mil for water one night, and 20 mil total for a bottle of water and a can of beer on another night. 2.5 years ago it was 4-5 mil, so I was shocked when they asked for 10 mil.

Perhaps one of you seasoned mongers may be able to offer some advice!

I began frequenting FKK clubs in Germany back in 2013. More specifically 'Sharks and Oase.'

At that time I was spoilt with the selection of Colombian and Brazilian ladies who were blessed with amazing bubble butts!

Sadly with the new government work visa situation there are no longer any of these ladies.

If I were to travel to Colombia could anyone recommend any club or specific ladies who possess a heavenly bubble butt!

Many thanks.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2621042]Beer prices in clubs are 8 mil for regular beers like Poker / Aguila -- Coronas are more not sure how much-- Water is 8-10 mil -- Not sure if the tip is built in to that? I will tip 1-2 mil usually-- But it is not required.

I bought a girl a Corona in Venus for 20 mil-- which is normal-- I'm pretty sure they get kicked back a few mil at least-- Buying drinks for girls gives you an opportunity to sit and chat and feel up a girl you like.

Here is a good tip-- If you just want to check out a club without buying a drink -- When you walk in and the waiter is following you-- and you just want to check out action-- Turn to the waiter and give him 1-2 mil and say estoy bien-- this works for me in Atonis / La Casona / Texas / California and Venus-- Where I like to go-- Also it is good for relations with staff-- They know me at those clubs mentioned and I am treated well.

It works in others but I do not go as much.

I have so much to say about SF-- I have been there mucho lately-- but have had writers block -- I promise to write a longer comprehensive report soon.[/QUOTE]Great tip. I was thinking last Sunday I should prepare and get a 20 mil changed into 10 x 2 mil somewhere before and use it to buy time in these clubs.

I would be happy to do the action with you, can you pm me your cell number and we schedule for maybe Friday or Saturday? I can't see an option yet to pm you.

[QUOTE=KyoHiromitsu;2617023]Hi,

I also tested SA and got banned 2 times for unknown reasons the first day.
[/QUOTE]In retrospect, SA prob did you a favor by banning you. Hopefully you didn't already pay them. In Bogota specifically I find nothing special about SA. Yes, its possible that its me but I find its the same average girls looking for transaction that you will find on any prepagos site. Its possible maybe I haven't really looked hard enough because I get so many emails by the time that I respond to them I spent / wasted too much time on the site so I never had time to 'search' for myself.

Some findings: Lots of Venezolanas looking for transaction and simply charging more for obvious reasons. The women I find arent that hot or anything special. Honestly I find / see far better looking chicas on the prepagos sites. Then. Virually 110% of all the pics you see SA are extremely heavy on filters so you never really know what these chics actually look like until its too late. Now, in other places like Medellin and some parts of Mexico there are real beautiful women but no real sugar babes (: wink).

This is just my opinion.

I admit I don't know if I am setting myself up for a huge fail. Something I had vowed to not do again but here we go. I joined SA specifically for this trip. I had intentions to bang 10 of the finest women in Bogota at almost no matter the cost. I got huge replies on SA, honestly, overwhelming and some but few standouts. Then I met this 19 yr old. She's very cute, not the best looking or prettiest but she has an amazing body. Nipples and tits to die for. She had some red flags. She sent me a few fake pics which I quickly google and told her to buzz off. She came back with real pics and offered a video verify.

She doesn't speak a word of English but only wants to chat in English. Her translation are dam near perfect with never, not once a poorly translated text. I asked for another video calls and ask her to hold a random sequence of letters and she did so I know that is her on video. Now, she lives 2 h outside of Cartagena and wants me to fly her to Bogota. I am willing to do it because her body is just that nice. She's extremely open and so far has done everything I asked her to.

OK my plans were to meet 10-15 chicas during those 5 days from SA. Now I think I might only meet one and if she's all that she showed so far, I'd be happy but wondering if I am setting myself up. Any thoughts from the experienced on how to approach this?

Was thinking to book another hotel nearby and do some dipping because there are some must-do chicas on this trip. Another real good looking chica from Cali wants me to fly her in.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2621491]I admit I don't know if I am setting myself up for a huge fail. Something I had vowed to not do again but here we go. I joined SA specifically for this trip. I had intentions to bang 10 of the finest women in Bogota at almost no matter the cost. I got huge replies on SA, honestly, overwhelming and some but few standouts. Then I met this 19 yr old. She's very cute, not the best looking or prettiest but she has an amazing body. Nipples and tits to die for. She had some red flags. She sent me a few fake pics which I quickly google and told her to buzz off. She came back with real pics and offered a video verify.

She doesn't speak a word of English but only wants to chat in English. Her translation are dam near perfect with never, not once a poorly translated text. I asked for another video calls and ask her to hold a random sequence of letters and she did so I know that is her on video. Now, she lives 2 h outside of Cartagena and wants me to fly her to Bogota. I am willing to do it because her body is just that nice. She's extremely open and so far has done everything I asked her to.

OK my plans were to meet 10-15 chicas during those 5 days from SA. Now I think I might only meet one and if she's all that she showed so far, I'd be happy but wondering if I am setting myself up. Any thoughts from the experienced on how to approach this?

Was thinking to book another hotel nearby and do some dipping because there are some must-do chicas on this trip. Another real good looking chica from Cali wants me to fly her in.[/QUOTE]I can tell you will find super hot girls if you walk in the areas here the other members advised on ISG. I have been going crazy on Mileroticos before arriving and after I spent a lot on the first 3 girls and had 2 bad or so-so experiences I went straight to Sante Fe and I'm happier with the chicas and the time there. Banging hot chicks there for 30-50 k 20 minutes or 70-90 k if I want her 40 minutes. If you are not satisfied in Santa Fe, then go to lido or another high class club but the chicas there aren't that much better in my opinion. In any way be on the streets, be outside. Feeling her out before taking her home will leave you more satisfied in the end.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2621491]I admit I don't know if I am setting myself up for a huge fail. Something I had vowed to not do again but here we go. I joined SA specifically for this trip. I had intentions to bang 10 of the finest women in Bogota at almost no matter the cost. I got huge replies on SA, honestly, overwhelming and some but few standouts. Then I met this 19 yr old. She's very cute, not the best looking or prettiest but she has an amazing body. Nipples and tits to die for. She had some red flags. She sent me a few fake pics which I quickly google and told her to buzz off. She came back with real pics and offered a video verify.

She doesn't speak a word of English but only wants to chat in English. Her translation are dam near perfect with never, not once a poorly translated text. I asked for another video calls and ask her to hold a random sequence of letters and she did so I know that is her on video. Now, she lives 2 h outside of Cartagena and wants me to fly her to Bogota. I am willing to do it because her body is just that nice. She's extremely open and so far has done everything I asked her to.

OK my plans were to meet 10-15 chicas during those 5 days from SA. Now I think I might only meet one and if she's all that she showed so far, I'd be happy but wondering if I am setting myself up. Any thoughts from the experienced on how to approach this?.[/QUOTE]About 25% of the population of Colombia lives in Bogota. Why would you fly someone who you don't know. In? I could understand if she's someone you've spent time with before, but this is someone you know nothing about. You're willing to commit your entire trip on 1 girl, even though you stated different intentions?

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2621491]I admit I don't know if I am setting myself up for a huge fail. Something I had vowed to not do again but here we go. I joined SA specifically for this trip. I had intentions to bang 10 of the finest women in Bogota at almost no matter the cost. I got huge replies on SA, honestly, overwhelming and some but few standouts. Then I met this 19 yr old. She's very cute, not the best looking or prettiest but she has an amazing body. Nipples and tits to die for. She had some red flags. She sent me a few fake pics which I quickly google and told her to buzz off. She came back with real pics and offered a video verify.[/QUOTE]If you want to bang 10 of the hottest women in Bogota, you should be going to a high end escort agency, spa, or strip club. SA is designed for long term AKA sugar relationships. Yes, there are hot women there but as others say there is no guarantee that the pic is real or the girl will not flake. I do not know where you got the idea that SA is some kind of escort catalogue. As others have said, if you are caught using it like that and scheduling escort like visits, you are likely to get banned.

Hi,

Is anyone in Bogotá interested in meeting up and check out some spots?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2621539]About 25% of the population of Colombia lives in Bogota. Why would you fly someone who you don't know. In? I could understand if she's someone you've spent time with before, but this is someone you know nothing about. You're willing to commit your entire trip on 1 girl, even though you stated different intentions?[/QUOTE]Yeah unfortunately, that sort of became the problem I had. I didn't want to do that but somehow got smitten. I'll fix it though, appreciate the feedback.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2621672]If you want to bang 10 of the hottest women in Bogota, you should be going to a high end escort agency, spa, or strip club. SA is designed for long term AKA sugar relationships. Yes, there are hot women there but as others say there is no guarantee that the pic is real or the girl will not flake. I do not know where you got the idea that SA is some kind of escort catalogue. As others have said, if you are caught using it like that and scheduling escort like visits, you are likely to get banned.[/QUOTE]See, what had happened was. I was really looking at first for a relationship maybe with one or two girls the most. Many of the ones I've exchanged emails with clearly say they are not looking for a relationship. They just want to be compensated for anytime they spend. That's why I figured what the hell then. You guys are prob right, I am new to it and first time on SA. I've exchanged emails with about 35-40 chicas and maybe 2-3 of them are actually looking for relationships. And they are all in their mid-30's and up.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2621672]If you want to bang 10 of the hottest women in Bogota, you should be going to a high end escort agency, spa, or strip club. SA is designed for long term AKA sugar relationships. Yes, there are hot women there but as others say there is no guarantee that the pic is real or the girl will not flake. I do not know where you got the idea that SA is some kind of escort catalogue. As others have said, if you are caught using it like that and scheduling escort like visits, you are likely to get banned.[/QUOTE]I disagree. The hottest SA girls in Colombia specifically, MDE or BOG, are mostly pros. They all have a price tag and most don't care about long term relationship. Obviously you don't discuss anything on SA, you get her number and move to WhatsApp. Flake rate is high, but high end girls that charge much more than average rate, take their appointments seriously.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2621891]I disagree. The hottest SA girls in Colombia specifically, MDE or BOG, are mostly pros.[/QUOTE]Not what I said.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2621891]They all have a price tag and most don't care about long term relationship. Flake rate is high, but high end girls that charge much more than average rate, take their appointments seriously.[/QUOTE]Well, I will take your word for it because I rarely used SA to see hos. I did a few times and found the working women to be much better in bed and / or a better value than the SA WGs. SA WGs usually wanted crazy money in comparison.

As others have said, I really did not see that much difference in terms of looks in the high end clubs versus Santa Fe in Bogota, and SF was much cheaper. I saw one high end escort in Bogota and she was hot and good in bed.

In Medellin, if you want to fuck the best looking women and do not care about the price and are pressed for time, you head to La Isla. SA is too time consuming for that. I wish there was a club in Bogota with so many hotties like that. Some guys say Loutron is. Some do not, but that is where I would probably start in Bogota if I were pressed for time and my goal was to fuck ten hotties.

I'll be there Nov 7 to 11 does that match up?

[QUOTE=PLover;2610281]Not new to this scene, but first visit to Colombia. Thank you all for sharing useful info. First thought of going to Tijuana, after reading several posts here, drifted to Bogota. Booked air tickets and San Francisco for now. Looking for better accommodation. Where did you stay? Is it girl friendly?

Many people talked about Woodman. We all should be glad to have such nice person here. I will PM him.

I will be there Nov 1st week. Interested to meet other members. Please PM me if your travel dates are same.[/QUOTE]

I am as of Monday but I don't know how to PM anyone I just joined here and I can't find where to message someone. Do you have to pay to be able to do that?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=VivaLaFiga;2621858]Hi,

Is anyone in Bogot interested in meeting up and check out some spots?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CrazyCalabrese;2621995]I am as of Monday but I don't know how to PM anyone I just joined here and I can't find where to message someone. Do you have to pay to be able to do that?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Same. I went through the FAQs, couldn't find where I can PM. Not sure if I can post my Colombian number or contact info here.

Both "Luz Elcy Spa" and pussy house are closed. I was there just now. Why is that?

After a month in Colombia I went to DR and came back, The immigration officer didn't like this idea of using Colombia as travelling hub and start to ask super detail questions but let me go.

I took a DIDI (half the price then UBER), to my Airbnb [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/E6ZFsBtTBsn9pZd66[/URL] for 20 USD per night.

This area is paradise compare to DR or any part of the world in a certain aspects. Food / coffee girls every fucking ware. So after two casa next to me were close I went to [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/vNtKZnpYasHswYV36[/URL] at 66-17 and don't worry about not find it. Guy stant on the road to direct you.

Seems 20 girls sitting and jump for the "presentation" as I order. One stood out tall and super white. Let me tell you you put her in front of a white wall the wall will look black.

I payed 40 K and enter the room. No variables price offers just one flat rate 40 K.

Girl did more then expected but something wired, she say no kiss but immediately start to kiss all my body. What is this? I gave her 20 K tip and went back grabbing many foffes and cakes along my 750 m meter back.

Let me tell you Colombia vs DR is a day and night different, don't believe the silly comparisons. Colombia trash DR in Everything by a huge margin. After tomorrow I go to Cali.

[QUOTE=NIO400;2622275]Seems 20 girls sitting and jump for the "presentation" as I order. One stood out tall and super white. Let me tell you you put her in front of a white wall the wall will look black.[/QUOTE]LOL. Man you are funny.

[QUOTE=NIO400;2622275]Let me tell you Colombia vs DR is a day and night different, don't believe the silly comparisons. Colombia trash DR in Everything by a huge margin.[/QUOTE]You must not have gone to the beaches. As Surfer noted, the beaches in DR are better.

[QUOTE=NIO400;2622275]After a month in Colombia I went to DR and came back, The immigration officer didn't like this idea of using Colombia as travelling hub and start to ask super detail questions but let me go.[/QUOTE]Did you leave and come back because you wanted to stay longer? I'm confused, I thought you could stay up to 3 months. I was there for 2 weeks and it wasn't long enough. I want to go back for over a month soon, hope that won't be a problem.

I'll quickly go through the gist of my trip. I was pissed off at one point because the response rate from girls that I'd met on cam sites was even lower than I'd expected. The ones that did reply were giving me all kinds of BS. But one of them I did meet and it made everything worth it. I don't want to go into details about her but she is an incredible woman and I saw her a few times and it was expensive but well worth every penny. There was another cam girl that agreed to meet but the day we planned I was feeling a bit sick and didn't want to get her sick so I had to cancel, hoping to see her when I return.

I went on 3 dates with girls from seeking. The first was really good, she stayed the night for only 500 and we did BBFS and again in the morning. She wasn't as hot as her photos though so I didn't repeat, although it was a good experience and she was really nice. The second girl was also a pretty good experience but not as much bang for buck. I offered her 400 for a few hours because that seemed to be what most girls were asking (she looked super hot in photos). When the time came, she asked if I had condoms and I reluctantly put one on and then she left shortly after the deed. I was a bit disappointed but she was really pretty and had amazing natural tits. Again, not as hot as the photos though. The third girl I met was a fucking stunner and we had agreed on 400 after a lot of back and forth hemming and hawing. She didn't speak a lick of English though and my Spanish wasn't cutting it. But then I'm not sure what happened but she wasn't dtf. She claimed that the agreement we came to was not for the first date, that she wasn't that kind of girl. I'm not sure if she decided against it based on how our date was going and just said that to spare my feelings. We agreed to another date but it never came to be (I could have tried harder). I did get plenty of kisses and I only bought her a fairly cheap lunch, so it was a pretty good deal all around but goddamn I wanted to fuck her so bad. Next time.

Before I continue, I should say that sf spoiled me. I had a lot of good experiences there and I kept going back even after I moved to an apartment further north. But I think my luck owes to the fact that I was slightly generous with all the girls, always opting for 30 minutes and giving a small tip. The 40 that the girls quote, that's what they offer to be competitive, but it doesn't mean they want to offer it. I've heard a lot of guys complaining that they didn't want to take their top off and stuff like that. That kind of thing never happened with me. For the most part, they gave me what I asked for. I always got at least a couple pecks and usually more, whatever positions I wanted, some offered BBBJ but it was rare. So nothing I had outside of sf apart from the cam girl and seeking girls, were really all that much different or better than things I experienced in sf. Mostly just more expensive. Also, towards the end of my trip I realized that sf gets lively pretty early. I always went in the late afternoon but that was a mistake. On my last day I went at 10 am and it was looking super promising. I regretted that I had not been going at that time every day. Next time I'm going to be on an earlier schedule instead of falling into the bar routine. If I do go to bars, it'll probably be in the north just to see the difference in quality.

I saw 2 more escorts. I tried more but a lot of these escort girls are hard to make appointments with. A lot of them are managed by one person who just has really bad texting etiquette or just can't handle the volume.

1. [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/hola-soy-dulce-linda-scort-rostro-angelical-100-mil-la-hora/21383263/[/URL].

In these photos you can tell she has a really big ass and you get a better idea of her figure but the ad I saw at the time she looked a bit more slender. Wasn't disappointed though. Her body is nice but maybe not quite as nice as the photos. CBJ I don't think she offers BBBJ but I forget if I asked. She was a lot of fun. No kissing but the session was enthusiastic and she was really nice. 10 to enter and 100 to her for half hour.

2. [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/usaquen/tu-diabla-ninfomana-vagina-rosada-y-apretada-id-u2vtk[/URL].

This girl was kind of timid at the start but her shyness dissolved and her naughty side came out. Kissing was light at first but by the end I couldn't stop her. She definitely enjoys sex. BBBJ was 50 extra. She had me kind of scissoring her (she took the reigns on that one) and I never realized the potential of that position before. She has a clit piercing so you know she's a freak. Body is not as nice as the photos though, which at this point is just kind of needless to say. These girls must go on a crazy diet before their photo shoots because it can't all be photoshop. This girl I was thinking of repeating but just didn't have the time what with getting sick and spending time with the cam girl and whatnot. I don't know how some guys visit Bogota for like a weekend and then move on to Medellin or Cali. There's just too much potential, and that's during a pandemic. I know it's only going to be better next time, especially if I improve my Spanish.

I was disappointed that the club gissell barra dance seems to be closed in their Bogota location. Couldn't get a response on their whatsapp and they didn't answer the door.

I did go to the mezzanine once, it was good. It was 150 for half hour full service, not sure if I paid more than the going rate but I enjoyed myself. I kind of jumped the gun and went with the first hot girl I saw. I will be back there. I also had a pretty good session at Diva's spa although the selection was poor, there were only 2 girls. That's about all I can think of.

Just a quick note to remind folks to be careful around Santa Fe. I don't spend much time in Bogota but was passing through last weekend. Spent a few hours down there. No problems. Then left. Moved up a few streets and I was in the process of getting an uber when a couple of cops on a bike pulled up in front of me. Checked my pockets and asked for ID. I had ID but I had it stashed alongside a fairly substantial amount of cash separate from my pockets. I didn't want to produce that in case they then took the cash. . so I said I didn't have it on me.

I produced a digital copy. And they said no good. We'll have to detain you. I would have liked to call their bluff but I had a flight out in a matter of hours so couldn't risk it. He invited the bribe. He had a reefer of some sort and was messing about wrapping it up and unwrapping it. I'm not sure whether he was suggesting that was going to get planted on me. The filthy pig wouldn't name his price. I offered him 20 k he said no. And so I asked again, how much. He continued playing the same game. I said 50 k is my max. If that doesn't work. Stick on the cuffs. So he took it.

A couple of years in Colombia. And that's the first time I've been shaken down.

[QUOTE=Joe100;2622323]Just a quick note to remind folks to be careful around Santa Fe. I don't spend much time in Bogota but was passing through last weekend. Spent a few hours down there. No problems. Then left. Moved up a few streets and I was in the process of getting an uber when a couple of cops on a bike pulled up in front of me. Checked my pockets and asked for ID. I had ID but I had it stashed alongside a fairly substantial amount of cash separate from my pockets. I didn't want to produce that in case they then took the cash. . so I said I didn't have it on me.

I produced a digital copy. And they said no good. We'll have to detain you. I would have liked to call their bluff but I had a flight out in a matter of hours so couldn't risk it. He invited the bribe. He had a reefer of some sort and was messing about wrapping it up and unwrapping it. I'm not sure whether he was suggesting that was going to get planted on me. The filthy pig wouldn't name his price. I offered him 20 k he said no. And so I asked again, how much. He continued playing the same game. I said 50 k is my max. If that doesn't work. Stick on the cuffs. So he took it.

A couple of years in Colombia. And that's the first time I've been shaken down.[/QUOTE]Never experienced that but many times taxi drivers are overcharging. This is why I order a taxi on an app like cabify or Didi directly to the club or Casa where I am if I want to leave the area.

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How are you guys dealing with this here? Happy to exchange DMs. Can't message anyone unfortunately.

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[QUOTE=VivaLaFiga;2622196]Same. I went through the FAQs, couldn't find where I can PM. Not sure if I can post my Colombian number or contact info here.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=CrazyCalabrese;2621995]I am as of Monday but I don't know how to PM anyone I just joined here and I can't find where to message someone. Do you have to pay to be able to do that?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Report the incident to the USA Embassy in Bogota. Tell them the time, place, and description of the guy. Next time, take a look at the name on the uniform.

[QUOTE=Joe100;2622323]Just a quick note to remind folks to be careful around Santa Fe. I don't spend much time in Bogota but was passing through last weekend. Spent a few hours down there. No problems. Then left. Moved up a few streets and I was in the process of getting an uber when a couple of cops on a bike pulled up in front of me. Checked my pockets and asked for ID. I had ID but I had it stashed alongside a fairly substantial amount of cash separate from my pockets. I didn't want to produce that in case they then took the cash. . so I said I didn't have it on me.

I produced a digital copy. And they said no good. We'll have to detain you. I would have liked to call their bluff but I had a flight out in a matter of hours so couldn't risk it. He invited the bribe. He had a reefer of some sort and was messing about wrapping it up and unwrapping it. I'm not sure whether he was suggesting that was going to get planted on me. The filthy pig wouldn't name his price. I offered him 20 k he said no. And so I asked again, how much. He continued playing the same game. I said 50 k is my max. If that doesn't work. Stick on the cuffs. So he took it..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2622315]Did you leave and come back because you wanted to stay longer? I'm confused, I thought you could stay up to 3 months..[/QUOTE]No, I left after a month since I was dreaming about sandy beach with palm coconuts. However I did not like DR and came back to Colombia for a total duration of 3 month including DR.

So be careful if you come and go to Colombia they think you doing some monkey business and can stop you. Brink hotel reservation to show you are a normal tourist and not a dealer.

Today I have visit a Casa just next to my AirBnb at this location [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/9BwJkhW3JEJpr7JF8[/URL] 57-76.

A madam that speak English with funny jokes told me that the price is 100 K for an hour. What is this? I pay 40 k everywhere I said, haha ok I can make it for 80 she reply no 40.60 ok? Yes!

Now the presentation phase, 8 girls came and go some serious butts and tall each one of them shake my hand as I am about to buy a Condo in Costa del sol and told me her name.

After this safari show I forgot how all the name and how they look. So one sexy big butt the look like your next door neighbour but with Kim Kardashian body when she was younger.

Anyway the madame came and ask me what music I like as she brought me a Bluetooth speaker and start lay with the music. What is this next time Netflix?

Eventually I was pleased with this girl as she had super tight body and tight rounded butt seems no kids. Gave her 15 k tip and left. This Casa is within the country of "Chapinero Central" and better then the dark side area as I posted before.

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2622655]Report the incident to the USA Embassy in Bogota. Tell them the time, place, and description of the guy. Next time, take a look at the name on the uniform.[/QUOTE]He may speak with a repressed US female employee who would ask him: "What were you doing in Santa Fe?

Arrived late last night checked in at San Francisco hotel close to Santa Fe. Was super tired so didn't go to out last night. Wake up early in a morning find claro center on cra. 8#45 and went to buy sim card (with passport) it takes 20 minutes to register cost 40 k with 10 GB data for 1 month. On the next street found davivienda cash machines take 1 million 20 k pesos is one go without any fees.

At 1 pm daytime decide to have a walk around Santa Fe start from far end side on calle 18 next to carrera 15 bis and carrera 14 bis check all side streets till reach main area it was not so many girls on Monday at 2 pm daytime (I know its early time) also it star heavy rain for 15-20 minutes so just sit at some bar drink cola. After rain gone I continue walking saw one girl I like but decide do few laps around more in case I will find something better, but didn't see anything better so I comeback to pick up the girl I like before but she was gone already. Went in some local restaurant have some food and continue walking around and looking for a girls. To be honest the quality of girls was not the best ones at this early time.

Around 3 pm I saw I girl I like I make a small talk with her and ask how much she wants for 20 minutes she said 40 k I try negotiate to 30 k but was no luck I not budget for 10 k more and told her vamos. We went at room upstairs I give her 40 k she paid 5 k for the room herself. She was 23 years old Venezuelan from Valencia my type slim girl no kids, seems have good attitude. She make blowjob with condom till I get strong after we start fuck I manage to cum in time. I ask her for whatsapp but she said she don't have phone (probably she don't want to give me). I ask for few photos together she don't mind and smile into camera. Make few photos I said bye for her and left. Anyway 2 hours spend around Santa Fe was not so bad even I come to early and not on the best weather.

I stay in Bogota for few days more or even longer if I not get bored. If someone around and want meet give me a shout! I plan stay Colombia around 3 month but not decided which city go next thinking about Cucuta, Cali or maybe my beloved Medellin.

One question guys mask is mandatory in Colombia on the streets? Or just in close areas? In Bogota probably 90 percent of people wearing them everywhere even in Santa Fe many people was with mask and some girls.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2623759] thinking about Cucuta, Cali or maybe my beloved Medellin..[/QUOTE]I am in Cali, don't even think about it, girls in Casa fat and ugly, Cali is not a tourist city. Tomorrow I fly to Bucaramanga. My route so far is:

Bogota--Cocuta-Medellin-DR-Bogota--Cali-Bucaramanga.

In Bogota book this [URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/45283984?source_impression_id=p3_1636414628_hTuYNc3XbnL3QK9%2F&guests=1&adults=1[/URL] super cheap in the center of action.

Go Bucaramanga.

NIO.

[QUOTE=NIO400;2623778]I am in Cali, don't even think about it, girls in Casa fat and ugly, Cali is not a tourist city. Tomorrow I fly to Bucaramanga. My route so far is:

Bogota--Cocuta-Medellin-DR-Bogota--Cali-Bucaramanga.

In Bogota book this [URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/45283984?source_impression_id=p3_1636414628_hTuYNc3XbnL3QK9%2F&guests=1&adults=1[/URL] super cheap in the center of action.

Go Bucaramanga.

NIO.[/QUOTE]Cali probably have 30-50 casas I am pretty sure many of them have good looking girls. You can't said all Cali girls are ugly if visited 1 or 2 casas I will visit at least 5-6 different cities with time and make my own decisions where girl is ugly where is not. Bucaramanga, Santa Marta, Barranquilla is also on my list later.

Around 3 pm I saw I girl I like I make a small talk with her and ask how much she wants for 20 minutes she said 40 k I try negotiate to 30 k but was no luck I not budget for 10 k more and told her vamos. We went at room upstairs I give her 40 k she paid 5 k for the room herself. She was 23 years old Venezuelan from Valencia my type slim girl no kids, seems have good attitude. She make blowjob with condom till I get strong after we start fuck I manage to cum in time. I ask her for whatsapp but she said she don't have phone (probably she don't want to give me). I ask for few photos together she don't mind and smile into camera. Make few photos I said bye for her and left. Anyway 2 hours spend around Santa Fe was not so bad even I come to early and not on the best weather.

I am headed back to Colombia in January for my third time. I stay in Cartagena. There is a nice hotel in the walled city not far from the Clock tower and the triangle of pussy bars. I love it. It is safe, simple and reasonably priced. But I have heard that the monger scene in Bogota is amazing. My questions are, is it really that good? Are there safe places to stay that allow women to visit. How cheap is it really? Do you go to clubs or like in Cartagena, just show up at a place after 8 or 9 pm and pick one out. Always ready to venture out. Thanks guys. Need any advice on Cartagena let me know.

I was hoping to return to Bogota for a fourth visit to Santa Fe but then heard about Colombia's new vaccination mandate coming into effect in the middle of the month. Aside from the question of whether or not they will accept paper CDC cards from the US, and the potential hassle and risk of walking around Santa Fe with it, I am also concerned about what if any implications it would have for Santa Fe, particularly the clubs. I assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the vaccination rate is low among the girls there; would it shut them out of the clubs and thus reduce the talent pool there, like what happened in Germany with the FKKs? Would it push them out into the street scene? Would the vaccination mandate apply to the short-time hotels that the street girls use too?

Of course, all of this is a moot point if no one in Santa Fe enforces the mandate, which I could certainly imagine. What do you expect to happen?

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2624150]I was hoping to return to Bogota for a fourth visit to Santa Fe but then heard about Colombia's new vaccination mandate coming into effect in the middle of the month. Aside from the question of whether or not they will accept paper CDC cards from the US, and the potential hassle and risk of walking around Santa Fe with it, I am also concerned about what if any implications it would have for Santa Fe, particularly the clubs. I assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the vaccination rate is low among the girls there; would it shut them out of the clubs and thus reduce the talent pool there, like what happened in Germany with the FKKs? Would it push them out into the street scene? Would the vaccination mandate apply to the short-time hotels that the street girls use too?

Of course, all of this is a moot point if no one in Santa Fe enforces the mandate, which I could certainly imagine. What do you expect to happen?[/QUOTE]I believe it will be not enforced widely and cards from the USA shall be accepted-- I got mine LOL.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2624150]I was hoping to return to Bogota for a fourth visit to Santa Fe but then heard about Colombia's new vaccination mandate coming into effect in the middle of the month. Aside from the question of whether or not they will accept paper CDC cards from the US, and the potential hassle and risk of walking around Santa Fe with it, I am also concerned about what if any implications it would have for Santa Fe, particularly the clubs. I assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the vaccination rate is low among the girls there; would it shut them out of the clubs and thus reduce the talent pool there, like what happened in Germany with the FKKs? Would it push them out into the street scene? Would the vaccination mandate apply to the short-time hotels that the street girls use too?

Of course, all of this is a moot point if no one in Santa Fe enforces the mandate, which I could certainly imagine. What do you expect to happen?[/QUOTE]Seeing how Colombia works over the last 20 years, I'm sure Fake cards will be available to anyone who wants one.

Gents,

What's your opinion of this club. Decent, safe, etc? Or any clubs nearby. I like to see a variety of ladies.

Appreciate it.

Went here 5 pm meet another member from ISG have some beer and walk around was much more girls on the streets than my previous time I saw at least 4-5 girls I like, but take just one Venezuelan name Nicola she told me she is 21 years old but she looks like 18 for me, slim girl with cute face. She was standing with her sister. I ask how much she want for 20 min she told me 50 k I offer 40 k she quickly agree. We went hotel I give her 40 k and she paid for the room. Her body was so so as she told me she has 2 kids already, but can't complain sex was good and she has nice attitude and make me cum. Get her whatsapp make some selfies together.

After I meet another guy again he just finish with a girl also. He was planning have 3 different ones this night, but could find more girls which he likes. We walk around again checking for a girls stop at bars have some beer, some food, checked all clubs but on Tuesday was quiet not to much action. From 9 pm become less and less girls on the streets and around 10 pm just ugly ones left. So we walk back to our hotels. 5 hours well spend was fun!!

So I'm here again for the 5th time this year.

Things are looking better. Going to stay 1 week. If anyone around. Hit me up.

[QUOTE=JoeySmith;2624272]Gents,

What's your opinion of this club. Decent, safe, etc? Or any clubs nearby. I like to see a variety of ladies.

Appreciate it.[/QUOTE]Atunes is open during the day. It's the most laid back place in Santa Fe. It closes early typically. It was closed for a long time. Recently reopened. But always a great quality of ladies. More upscale.

Nice report. The quality and quantity of the girls in SF declined during the pandemic. The area was great 2017-9.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2623759]Arrived late last night checked in at San Francisco hotel close to Santa Fe. Was super tired so didn't go to out last night. Wake up early in a morning find claro center on cra. 8#45 and went to buy sim card (with passport) it takes 20 minutes to register cost 40 k with 10 GB data for 1 month. On the next street found davivienda cash machines take 1 million 20 k pesos is one go without any fees.

At 1 pm daytime decide to have a walk around Santa Fe start from far end side on calle 18 next to carrera 15 bis and carrera 14 bis check all side streets till reach main area it was not so many girls on Monday at 2 pm daytime (I know its early time) also it star heavy rain for 15-20 minutes so just sit at some bar drink cola. After rain gone I continue walking saw one girl I like but decide do few laps around more in case I will find something better, but didn't see anything better so I comeback to pick up the girl I like before but she was gone already. Went in some local restaurant have some food and continue walking around and looking for a girls. To be honest the quality of girls was not the best ones at this early time.[/QUOTE]

How do I find you guys? Are you all white? I'm in Santa Fe every week, usually walking in a long black coat and white young guy. Let's connect and have a beer.

Been there today, not much Action. Went with a Colombian and while we fucked there was a big storm. Not much action, will come back soon this week.

Hello,

I will be traveling to Bogota in the next month or so. I'm looking for some of the best Agency and Independent website for the best ladies in town. Can you please DM me or post websites names. I will greatly appreciate it.

[QUOTE=CuriousMind123;2624621]How do I find you guys? Are you all white? I'm in Santa Fe every week, usually walking in a long black coat and white young guy. Let's connect and have a beer.

Been there today, not much Action. Went with a Colombian and while we fucked there was a big storm. Not much action, will come back soon this week.[/QUOTE]Check the board before heading here and PM whoever announced that they will be here.

I got caught in that same storm. LOL.